The Tucker Carlson Show - Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran

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00:00:22.660 terms and conditions apply principally thank you very much the reason i've been so anxious to talk

00:00:28.260 to you is because as someone who's been investing more successfully than almost anyone around the

00:00:34.600 world for 45 years i think you've got a pretty good handle of what's going on in the world

00:00:39.060 um are you hopeful right now in this moment let's just start biggest possible picture yes i'm

00:00:46.940 positive i'm hopeful uh uh with the trump administration coming very forcefully yes

00:00:53.860 uh with clear vision about where the world should be heading i'm optimistic cautious optimistic but

00:01:00.460 it's going to take some time because the legacy that uh trump had is a big one yes on foreign policy

00:01:07.920 domestic policy debt immigration we will talk about all these things obviously today but the legacy is

00:01:14.140 so big and we've seen that the first week of trump or now the first 10 days is coming very strongly

00:01:19.420 and i really hope that this momentum stays and have a a positive effect on the international community

00:01:25.040 as much as as as as as it will have a good impact on the domestic yes policy

00:01:31.480 when trump was elected in november the world was really on the on the cusp of two major con of of two

00:01:58.500 big conflicts that could potentially get much bigger in eastern europe and in this region

00:02:02.240 do you think he can successfully resolve those conflicts look we all know netanyahu is going to

00:02:10.840 meet him tomorrow yes and i really hope that uh president trump is very forceful in uh uh imposing or

00:02:18.000 at least they're forcing israel to have a peaceful resolution to this palestine issue that's been going on

00:02:23.980 since uh the 19 mid late 19 1940s it's about time to have a final solution for the palestinian cause

00:02:32.560 to stop all those terrorist acts that are really unwanted like the one happened in october and

00:02:37.340 obviously you're alluding to the ukraine war also it's about time to have this war and useless war

00:02:43.360 between russia and ukraine that that caused you know hundreds of thousands of people die from both

00:02:48.820 side civilians and yes and otherwise what's the solution to the problem in the middle east

00:02:54.160 look uh the stated uh official position of south arabia which i really support of crown prince

00:03:00.480 muhammad min salman who was was announced on your ex-channel fox yes and he said publicly that

00:03:06.620 you know we are uh having discussions with israel to acknowledge each other but as a good pro quo

00:03:13.440 we need a palestinian state we have we need to have the rights of the palestinians acknowledged

00:03:18.360 and we need to have palestine independent and have a capital city east jerusalem so if these things are

00:03:25.720 met i think saudi arabia is more than ready to have uh diplomatic relations between south between

00:03:31.500 between saudi arabia and israel as crown prince muhammad min salman announced a few months ago from an

00:03:37.720 outsider's perspective saudi arabia does not have official diplomatic relations with israel but it's

00:03:42.580 certainly aligned with israel against iran that's the way it looks from outside is it do you think

00:03:47.400 it's fair to say oh look i mean uh it's very easy to get against against iran aligned against iran iran is

00:03:53.860 you know is is is is a nation based uh dogmatically on on on on terroristic uh ideas you know we have seen

00:04:02.040 how every country that iran goes to you have turmoil look at iraq syria lebanon uh gaza yemen

00:04:10.880 uh sudan all those countries what's common among them you have the iranian infiltration

00:04:17.200 in them uh so clearly it's not it's not it's not not easy not difficult at all to be in alliance

00:04:23.680 when any country against iran because iran always plants the seeds of trouble chaos and confusion

00:04:29.820 wherever they are so that's the view of israel too yes you know exactly so you have that that big

00:04:35.920 perspective in common with the israeli government despite your differences so there's been progress

00:04:41.120 i would say between saudi arabia and israel but i don't think there's been any progress on the

00:04:44.960 prospect of a palestinian state people have been saying that for you know well certainly since 1967

00:04:51.240 but we're feels like we're farther from that we are very far of course after what happened

00:04:57.120 uh in gaza but i think with a strong leadership from the united states and with the uh effectiveness

00:05:05.440 that that the united states could really have in uh in in in the west bank with the palestinian

00:05:11.740 authorities if they can have these uh people being more effective and more dynamic and inject some

00:05:16.960 some uh some fluidity and some uh uh some power and influence in them there could really be the the

00:05:25.040 power to break in with uh so where israel could have a negotiate with the palestinian authority

00:05:32.080 and hopefully that they can have uh a control over what's happening in in in gaza also how closely

00:05:40.480 are people in the arab world following what's happening there oh for sure i mean the arab world has

00:05:46.320 been following very closely the destruction happened in in gaza i mean for sure a terrorist attack did

00:05:52.960 happen there in of course but the disproportionate and the complete disproportionality of the israeli

00:06:01.120 attack on gaza that wiped out the whole whole northern part of of gaza was really unwanted you

00:06:07.440 know hospitals schools cities universities they were all demolished completely so yes we're following

00:06:12.240 the very closely for sure do people here hold the united states responsible for that i'm not sure

00:06:18.720 at all that they hold the united states i i mean some do do do do that and they capitalize on the

00:06:25.280 very positive and strong alliance between united states and israel but realistically speaking

00:06:31.600 what happened there really was really israeli based clearly united states did support that

00:06:36.080 but we have seen also even the biden administration and even in trump you know i i'm not sure he was very

00:06:41.520 very much uh happy with what happened there at all uh but at the end of the day you know what happened

00:06:48.640 did happen and uh and now we need to to see how we can put this behind us and open a new chapter in the

00:06:55.200 middle east clearly with the syrian uh regime neutralized and having a new i'll not say pro-western regime

00:07:03.040 but at least not anti-american regime in syria with hamas hopefully demolished completely and more

00:07:09.280 importantly hezbollah being almost neutralized in lebanon these are very big big pluses uh for for

00:07:15.680 the and his inducement for to have a peaceful solution for the palestinian cause you know donald trump

00:07:21.600 well i know a long time ago you know from from the time we bought from him the plaza hotel and we also

00:07:27.760 bought from him the his uh trump princess yacht that i still have he still how did you wind up with

00:07:34.480 donald trump's yacht not many people can say that not many people have donald trump's yacht but you do

00:07:38.720 how'd you get it i mean how did that happen yeah we we we bought it i think you know in the in the

00:07:43.760 late 80s and trump did take possession of it and he renovated it and i think he reached a stage where

00:07:49.840 he you know he did not really want to have it anymore so we did buy it from him what's he what was your

00:07:55.280 experience with trump what's he like no i mean look with trump i think if you're straight with him you

00:08:00.080 know you get a straight answer you know we had very good dealing with president trump uh you know when he

00:08:05.120 was a businessman whether during the the the purchase of the plaza hotel from him or buying

00:08:10.160 his uh his trump princess yacht so you were not anti-trump oh no no we can't be anti-trump you

00:08:16.000 know we because we are pro-america we have to be pro-trump especially with the new policies that he's

00:08:20.880 taking right now you know i very much i'm very much conservative socially speaking yes and all his

00:08:26.000 policies right now in being anti-walk being anti-left wing being anti uh all those crazy things that's

00:08:32.320 happening on the left we are for sure for trump on these matters and also all his policies

00:08:37.600 economical policies that that uh and looking after the eradication of the u.s deficit these are all

00:08:44.240 conservative uh policies that we support look i lived in america i i i graduated from the uh west

00:08:51.360 coast you know from university in california and i finished my masters in the east coast

00:08:56.640 in america so we all love america we want america to be strong

00:08:59.680 what did you think over the last eight years as you watched the woke the sexual politics in the

00:09:07.040 united states i mean okay it went just too far too much you know uh really and uh it's about time

00:09:12.880 for america to get a a logical person a pragmatic person like trump i know and some of his policies are

00:09:19.200 extreme to some people but but his social policies being anti-walk being anti uh left-wing

00:09:26.160 completely being too liberal i mean these are really policies that you know this illogical they

00:09:31.200 are you know uh look i'm a religious person uh you know uh america is is still a very conservative

00:09:37.680 country and one of the uh main ingredients of the success of uh of trump in in having in the last

00:09:45.840 last election was really his social policies many people in america believe that america went too much to

00:09:51.120 the left so i think uh getting back america to center at least the center not to necessarily to

00:09:56.640 the right right center that in itself is a big achievement for america so you hear that in

00:10:01.280 countries around the world we admire the united states the entire leadership of most of the world

00:10:06.160 went to college in the united states yes how did people in this region and other countries visit

00:10:12.800 feel about seeing men dressed as women at the white house and all that stuff were they

00:10:17.120 it's crazy it's nonsense it's nonsense and this transgender idea right now i mean having the

00:10:22.320 military all those transgender people you know and toilets you know uh uh having being mixed and you

00:10:29.520 know having for example a a a male who was transferring the lady go and compete into women's sports

00:10:37.680 it's too much it's going too far it's just too much i mean we reach the stage in america if you're not

00:10:42.400 woke i mean you are crazy or you are anti-establishment and i don't think it's too much

00:10:47.120 it's going too far so i think what trump is doing right now is at least moving to the center you know

00:10:51.360 we are not and against lbgtq even the plus whatever the plus means what is the plus do you did that's

00:10:57.200 the scary part i would rather not talk about it you'd rather not talk about the plus i would rather not

00:11:02.160 talk about that's very scary yeah lbgtq understand but the plus that's you know we can have another

00:11:06.880 interview for that let's put this aside i'm comfortable with that thank you very much

00:11:13.680 so that i mean you must have been confused watching that this is a country you went to

00:11:17.440 school and you know well yeah i lived in america and when i was in america i know i mean you have

00:11:21.600 left wing right wing that's fine yes but to go that much to the left and have this work movement

00:11:26.320 no it went too far look america leads the world i understand there are you know uh china wants to be

00:11:31.840 there and you want to be there the europeans want to be there and then today america is is leading

00:11:37.280 the world whether you like it or not no matter how i saw isolationist policies are adopted in america

00:11:44.000 america will still lead the world for many years to come yes politically economically financially

00:11:48.960 in all in all in all in all cases so we want america america to lead the right way you cannot lead

00:11:55.040 america you cannot lead the world with this work movement you cannot we would not accept that you're one of

00:12:00.640 the biggest media investors in the world and have been i worked for a company i think you were the

00:12:05.680 biggest outside investor i think in uh news corp fox news um and you've got investments in a million

00:12:12.000 different media companies many of those media companies were went way to the left what did you

00:12:17.840 think of that as a shareholder yeah yeah yeah you know uh our main investment was with fox frankly

00:12:22.240 speaking and this could produce murdoch murdoch was always you know mainstream to the right a little

00:12:26.160 bit obviously uh so we that we had we did have a lot of other investment small one but they were

00:12:30.960 all devastated long time ago yeah but our main investment in old media and legacy media was with

00:12:35.280 miss murdoch and we sold out you know it's a year before uh he merged his entities with uh with disney

00:12:41.840 yeah yes so no left the media in america went too much to the left and and most of them

00:12:49.760 the only remaining soldier frankly speaking who really withstood the heat is really murdoch

00:12:54.000 the murdoch empire whether it's fox new york post washi journal and fox they are all you know

00:12:59.040 sent to the right so you um you divested from fox from news corp and then you made a huge investment

00:13:06.640 in x under elon exactly why'd you do that yeah uh most uh most our investments now went to x and x ai

00:13:13.280 obviously they were with with the musk now in the me and you know i call actually is the new media

00:13:19.120 frankly speaking x that's that's why we invested and with mr musk i think you know he's he's he's

00:13:24.800 he's a big force to be to be reckoned with frankly speaking and we are second big shareholder in x and

00:13:28.880 x ai so that the sale of x was closely watched by everybody around the world he wound up buying

00:13:38.880 the company at what seemed like twice its actual value and people made fun of him where is it now would

00:13:45.760 you say yeah on our books uh you know we have two investments we have kingdom holding which i share

00:13:52.320 yes and i have my private investments so we have with the with musk around three billion dollars

00:13:58.800 investments in our books it's valued more more than 50 percent more clearly as for x we never devalued it

00:14:07.760 we you know some entities did devalue it by 30 40 50 percent we never devalued it clearly now after the

00:14:14.640 election of president trump and after the strong alliance between musk and president trump we've

00:14:21.440 seen the market uh uh having uh um revalue upwards uh x dramatically at least to its part value at the

00:14:30.800 44 billion dollars that they paid for it what do you think its actual value is i believe the actual

00:14:36.000 value is more than double frankly speaking next more than double the 44 exactly and it's going to

00:14:41.840 more than double and it's going to happen right now because videos are going to come and you know

00:14:45.120 now pay pay is going to come into it uh you know they're going to pay x uh it's going to happen right

00:14:51.840 now in the first quarter so many things are going to uh it's going to happen to externally to have

00:14:56.640 that the main hub uh an anchor for many things around it so but as a as a political and social force

00:15:05.520 is there a more powerful media organization i stand today i believe x is really number one we've seen

00:15:12.240 how meta tried to have another company thread yeah but it didn't take off why look uh i i think x really

00:15:22.400 began very forcefully and strongly and um the freedom of speech was there was open you know clearly

00:15:28.560 whenever it was against x uh freedom of speech and freedom of expression uh without much fact

00:15:35.440 checking uh that gave it the the forum to be uh uh the anchor of the new media in the world and you

00:15:43.680 see right now meta is moving the x model as i told you when i just met you off the record a minute ago

00:15:50.240 that uh meta now is being exercised yeah it's being like x right now and this this helps x reaching its

00:15:57.440 potential of of uh of being fully valued at 44 billion dollars and more so all the advertisers

00:16:02.960 that really so-called fled or left x are coming back right now because the alternative is doing

00:16:08.480 exactly what x used to do right so you think that elon musk has had a big effect on mark zuckerberg

00:16:16.800 there's no doubt because we have seen now mark zuckerberg and meta is moving the uh the to the x model

00:16:22.720 not only that you know not only operationally but you have seen just lately that uh that

00:16:28.320 media is going to move this uh so-called administrative headquarters from delaware to texas

00:16:34.160 so really x musk and x being followed all across the board so you think zuckerberg's just kind of

00:16:40.560 trailing behind elon musk doing what he does well you know i look musk is very close to the leader of the

00:16:46.080 whole world president trump and no one wants no businessman whether it is uh max zuckerberg of

00:16:52.720 mr bezos or the google head want uh musk to to be the only uh uh man who uh has the ear of

00:17:01.600 president trump they all want to have at least small piece of the pie yes and that's what's happening

00:17:05.680 basically but what's interesting uh clearly but what's interesting is that they didn't want it the

00:17:10.800 first time all these businessmen smartest most powerful in the world made a bet in 2016 that

00:17:18.080 opposing trump would pay off for them why do you think they did that it was a wrong bet

00:17:22.480 yeah very bluntly speaking was a wrong bet trump came back in a major upset he must have scared the

00:17:28.560 hell out of them when he got elected i mean i mean no one expected trump to come back frankly speaking

00:17:32.880 and frankly speaking the morgan the democrats played a very big uh admitted big mistake they custom made you

00:17:39.200 know i talk as an independent i'm a saudi yeah i'm a royalist neither democrat or republican uh you

00:17:44.560 know i love america they clearly custom made the those lawsuits against them yes to be an election year

00:17:51.280 and i understand it's very delicate not many people in america could could speak this language freely

00:17:55.920 but they custom made it to be in the election year and that's backfire frankly speaking and helped trump

00:18:01.520 being elected yes you know and they're custom made to be i mean why you waited three years after trump

00:18:06.080 left and they all came these lawsuits in the last one year last uh one year of the biden era

00:18:12.720 i was too much so you didn't you didn't see that as the equal application of the law come on give me

00:18:18.400 a break that's very clear i lived in america i know america very well there's too much politics

00:18:22.720 this one of the attributing attributing reasons that caused trump to to win the american public rejected

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00:21:22.960 mark zuckerberg and you spent 400 million dollars to beat trump in 2020 and all of a sudden he rises

00:21:29.280 from the grave how do you feel terrified right well at least you know uh technology mistake and to

00:21:36.960 correct it is better than continuing with your mistake right and to be honest with you you know

00:21:41.280 i'm invested in meta also smaller scale not like x but i'm investing next and he's right look at the

00:21:46.640 share price reflect the share price you've invested in x ai what what do you envision the world looks

00:21:55.040 like after in 10 years thanks to ai well no doubt that you know artificial intelligence is is going to

00:22:01.040 play a big role in having evolution in the whole in the social industry in the economics politics

00:22:06.480 economics finance etc so uh ai is just beginning we're in the first inning right now yes and uh

00:22:12.960 there's no doubt that ai and artificial intelligence will really impact the life of uh for everybody

00:22:19.920 i often hear people say that i'm not exactly i mean i know that like the entire upper middle class

00:22:24.720 of the united states is going to be unemployed it sounds like that's bad but i don't i don't understand what

00:22:30.400 the other effects are of ai look it's too early to judge frankly speaking right yes but uh i hope

00:22:37.200 that the ai really is used you know for the good causes we hear a lot of doomsday scenarios you know

00:22:43.200 i i talked to musk about that you know yes i had with him three video calls and i did ask him about

00:22:48.080 this question very explicitly and you know he believes that you know 80 to 90 percent will be

00:22:53.200 positive but still you know 0 to 10 percent could be evilish so we have to be very careful about

00:22:59.040 that but i'm positive about ai because you know most people are really you know good positive and

00:23:05.200 they'll utilize ai in any in any way to to help the uh world society elon when he came into x when you

00:23:14.240 invested fired what percentage of the staff uh when musk took over they had around 8 000 people

00:23:21.360 and he fired 6 500 people and went down to 1 500 and that's all documented obviously yes and that's

00:23:30.160 one of the items where i'm really upset from the legacy media where how they said they cursed musk

00:23:36.400 and and x for having 6 500 people and they worried about their social

00:23:43.120 lives and how disrupted their lives which is fine i mean eventually they'll have jobs but no one talked

00:23:48.560 about the economical and financial impact of having firing 6 500 people on twitter they saved more

00:23:55.520 than two billion dollars and that saved the day because you know many advertisers did did you know

00:24:00.560 leave leave x and there are two components of profitability increased revenues or decrease

00:24:07.360 expenses so clear revenues did go down but expenses went down dramatically also so that broke even

00:24:12.960 yeah so really that saved the day yes 6 500 people were out and and x was run more efficiently

00:24:18.560 because i'm always in touch with glinda yes you know the ceo of and always with jared right-hand man

00:24:23.920 of musk and i'm in touch with musk and i follow this very closely because i'm you know a private

00:24:28.640 investor there so we know what's going inside the companies are forming a lot better with with 1 500

00:24:33.600 people so mr musk duplicate that on what he's doing right now with the us budget and he can save hundreds

00:24:42.480 of billions forget two trillion dollars maybe it's that that's a bit too extreme but he can save hundreds of

00:24:46.800 millions of billions of billions of dollars and you can have america reduces budget deficit

00:24:51.440 dramatically let alone uh to have it balance that be a huge achievement huge achievement for uh for

00:24:59.200 mr musk personally and for the us administration trump and the us people you think he can do it

00:25:03.520 look he's a bulldozer i know him very well and when i talk to him the guy is just so straight to the

00:25:10.000 point you know no nonsense at all uh if there's anyone to do it frankly speaking it's musk through the

00:25:18.560 dodge so you know elon musk and you know donald trump they're in close alliance now elon is not a

00:25:24.400 government official obviously but he's you'd have to say one of the top advisors can that partnership last

00:25:31.920 look they are both uh big figures but uh trump is brazil united states musk is is uh is the richest

00:25:40.880 man in the world he's one of the most powerful if not most powerful man in the world you have to

00:25:44.560 acknowledge that that's a fact yes and i think for the sake of united states uh we want them to function

00:25:49.920 very well we want them to succeed very well you know clearly each one has huge ego for sure and rightly

00:25:55.120 so they have to have an ego nothing wrong with that at all and i really sincerely hope that they can

00:25:59.680 find together musk is very pragmatic person logical person because he has a mission he wants to cut

00:26:05.200 the cost in the in the in the in the in the u.s system in the us budget system and he wants to really

00:26:12.880 to balance the budget as much as he can he told me that personally in my last phone call with him

00:26:16.800 and i believe he's given the tools and he's given the tools frankly speaking and i hope they're

00:26:21.200 all successful them frankly speaking we all love united states we want america to have

00:26:25.440 strong footings you cannot be strong if you have all these budget deficits and trade deficits

00:26:30.480 and that will will will make you limp eventually western europe seems like it's falling apart

00:26:36.960 is that your impression uh western europe really is aging is a is is in is sick you know you've seen

00:26:46.000 most of the west europe specifically uh uh wrong policies uh bureaucracy uh low speed and movement

00:26:56.560 you know we see italy for example under meloni you know she's uh she's not the star

00:27:00.960 she is a conservative uh i would not say right-wing frank speaker no no it's very conservative

00:27:06.160 and pragmatic lady and look now it is still is the star in all europe right now but really

00:27:12.480 did you ever think you would live long enough to say italy is now the star of europe yeah i i

00:27:18.640 really hope that europe wakes up because you know west europe is alive united states of course but

00:27:22.880 really look at the policies in in england uk france germany spain they are all really very much

00:27:30.400 backwards they they need to wake up frankly speaking can a country run without energy

00:27:36.640 it's almost impossible you cannot you cannot i mean so look at uk i mean look at the labor took

00:27:41.760 part took the reign of power from the conservatives and look where they are right now they're exactly

00:27:47.520 where the where the conservatives were when they left the government yes few months ago so

00:27:54.240 the uk is running out of natural gas and but that's true across western europe these countries don't

00:28:01.200 have enough energy to have first world economies will that change look uh yeah i i'm not worried

00:28:10.720 about that frankly speaking because you know they will always find a way to find gas you know

00:28:15.200 whether it's united states or other parts you see the arab world also uh did help a lot in supplying

00:28:21.280 the western europe with the gas you know once they shut down the the pipes from from russia so i think

00:28:27.280 the biden administration blew them up right we heard about that you know did you hear about that i know that

00:28:34.400 that made the news unfortunately why would the germans allow their allies in washington to blow up their

00:28:41.440 natural gas pipeline and not say anything about it well you said that you know i you should answer that

00:28:46.960 question i have some theories um but you're saying that that all their ideas are leading to their destruction

00:28:56.720 yeah you know i think at least they're leading to their their uh it's uh look they have so many

00:29:02.160 problems uh in west europe and uh unfortunately they are not being acknowledged and you have seen them

00:29:08.960 a lot of uh right-wing parties like in france le pen for example coming very strongly and yes she may

00:29:15.440 will she may may may well win win the elections a few years from now so all this causing the right wing to

00:29:21.520 come up very strongly and unless they wake up so fast and do some uh quick remedies to their

00:29:28.480 economical policies and also their political system it's just funny to hear you say that so

00:29:34.160 in europe you often you say it's a battle between you know the native population and the muslim immigrants

00:29:40.160 here you are a muslim with prayer beads in your hand saying you want more right-wing parties in europe

00:29:45.120 well you know i i really am asking for to be more more more more centrist for sure look at for

00:29:51.200 example meloni when she ran she won't run on on a very right-wing uh policy yes but when she took

00:29:56.560 over she just went to center that's true you know the the when you reign when you take power you are

00:30:01.600 forced to be more pragmatic yes she's a pragmatic lady yes you know and her policies are very logical

00:30:06.720 and centrist so uh many policies of the left wing really uh failed in in europe did not work and i

00:30:14.880 really hope that uh that they go back to center and and they and and find really take major decisions

00:30:24.400 to really jump start the process like trump is doing out in america america trump is shaking up the whole

00:30:29.440 u.s political system political system economic financial system even now we have serious tariffs

00:30:34.320 now i mean this is still you know we're on uncharted territory we don't know where they're going to be

00:30:38.400 be heading we don't know if these tariffs are there to stay or that they they're there for

00:30:43.600 negotiating tool to reach some conclusions with canada and mexico well you've negotiated with trump

00:30:50.560 against trump you know dubai is the plaza and his in his boat what do you think well when negotiating was

00:30:56.960 a businessman now he's the leader of the strongest country in the world the united states of america

00:31:02.000 i think with trump if you come with him straight and not necessarily succumb to what he's asking for but

00:31:07.280 if you're logical and pragmatic with him you can reach a conclusion a deal and very fast how long

00:31:12.960 did it take you to negotiate the purchase of the plaza less than a week less than a week yes um and

00:31:21.040 his boat less than a week very swift very fast so you think the tariffs are just an opening round in

00:31:28.480 negotiation possibly we don't know yet possibly possibly but the 25 percent tariffs on you know on

00:31:33.840 on on both the northern uh neighbor and southern neighbor canada and mexico are pretty high you've

00:31:39.920 seen now how the uh auto industry was devastated today they're down more than 10 15 percent sure

00:31:45.520 in trade in trading but the industry itself yeah yeah sure it's still it's too early to judge frank

00:31:50.240 speaking that that's the trading you know because today they announced the the system today is monday

00:31:54.160 they're going to announce uh it was announced just now and the the the instantaneous uh reflection

00:32:00.560 uh on that was very negative obviously on the on the industry so you know getting into a trade war

00:32:07.200 with canada and china both of whom are totally dependent on the united states they couldn't exist

00:32:10.960 with the us is different from doing that with china how does that work well look china i was reading

00:32:17.040 yesterday that china exiging p did not really answer not reply yet this thing is time is composed

00:32:23.600 you know is more long-term or look china look is is is dynasty has been 40 4 000 years old so really

00:32:30.720 one year one one month four years of of of tenor of any president really they they they they they're not

00:32:38.320 too fast in in replying we have seen chinese government don't officially reply yet we've seen

00:32:43.840 trodeau see mexico replying already very aggressively in putting uh uh similar tariffs especially in canada

00:32:50.880 so we have not seen the reply of china yet but china for sure is different behemoth completely

00:32:56.480 it's different game do you believe the story about deep seek their their ai project that it was

00:33:03.680 developed for under six million dollars and is that is that yeah is that real okay look we're invested

00:33:10.240 with musk and musk is a genius of our era and clearly you know he's very conservative in the way

00:33:15.840 spend now we put to them you know billions of dollars in having all these uh big uh mega centers

00:33:22.800 being built in in the united states so really 5.6 million dollars for this deep seek you know i laid

00:33:28.640 out this a little bit so and we're still very early uh part of of this developing story to see if it's

00:33:35.520 true or not and to see whether they really steal anything from opening eye or uh or where the truth is

00:33:42.880 exactly but but i you know i think you have to give it some more time to see where the deep seek

00:33:49.520 fit in the in the overall ai equation uh globally so there's i mean by far the biggest real estate

00:33:57.760 investments in the us and probably around the world are in data centers yeah for ai and other processing

00:34:04.320 um can those data centers run on windmills and batteries well we have seen now many of those big

00:34:11.120 companies now uh are trying to go other paths you know nuclear nuclear uh so we are really very much

00:34:18.480 in the early innings about all what's happening uh but you know our bet frankly speaking is on musk

00:34:23.920 on the ai uh in on the ai game we are we invested with them in the first round and second round we're

00:34:29.600 backing them uh all the way and we've seen very strong alliance between xci and x uh there's a lot of

00:34:35.840 a relationship between them that's really causing a lot of positive for both companies yes yes but

00:34:42.720 you know for the past 15 years the rest of us have been getting lectures about renewable energy the green

00:34:48.240 agenda carbon zero you know basically hydrocarbons are bad solar windmills are good and the second it

00:34:58.400 became clear that ai would need a lot more energy than projected people like larry fink said well you

00:35:04.560 know maybe we look to maybe it's a you know it's a whole bunch of different energy sources do you

00:35:09.920 think the green agenda is over thanks to ai well for sure with the trump election the the green the

00:35:15.680 green evolution now has diminished a little bit you know it's not as uh uh being in the prime time as

00:35:21.680 if i can use this term now it's there but i don't think it's going to be uh so much uh as being number

00:35:27.520 one uh priority for the for the trump administration you know that i know that number one priority i know

00:35:32.400 maybe number nine or ten but other i mean your peers in business big investors have been pushing

00:35:41.200 green energy projects all subsidized by various governments um do you think that will stop you

00:35:48.960 think we'll stop getting lectures about how windmills are the future no it will not stop

00:35:52.720 frank speaking uh you know i know bill gates you know we are partners with him in many projects and we

00:35:56.800 have with them a project called the bev the breakthrough energy venture that is invested

00:36:02.240 in you know hundreds of companies that are in uh in uh non-carbon uh energy and they're moving

00:36:09.920 frankly speaking moving ahead so i think you know they'll still be there but it will not be the same

00:36:14.000 momentum and same oomph do you think the united states will change its relationship with venezuela because

00:36:20.880 of venezuela's oil reserves well we have seen the u.s emissary yesterday being there he met madora

00:36:28.720 uh in in venezuela so and i think was very cooperative he gave some hostages and he welcomed

00:36:34.560 getting back all the uh immigrants so he was very welcoming and i'm sure mr trump will love this

00:36:40.000 so we have to we have to it has to remain to be seen because venezuela frankly speaking they have a lot

00:36:45.840 of our reserves you know more than 280 billion barrels so i think they have the deepest reserves

00:36:51.680 in the world proven exactly exactly so i don't know what's the ultimate policy from mr trump trump is

00:36:56.480 a very sophisticated man and i think uh the fact that is a mystery went immediately to venezuela

00:37:02.000 whereby you know they had you have no relationship between both countries now and welcome venezuela

00:37:06.720 was very welcoming uh so that story you have to uh you have to follow and because it's developing story

00:37:12.240 well i mean we've we've spent the last i don't know 10 years trying to overthrow the venezuelan

00:37:17.280 government and unsuccessfully quite unsuccessfully but then in one day all of a sudden venezuela says

00:37:23.680 yeah here are all your hostages yeah and flies the american flag in maduro's office like what what is

00:37:30.640 this yeah well i mean this is a trump era summary quick summary what would happen if the u.s did

00:37:37.280 some sort of big energy deal with venezuela well i i'm look at the end of the day trump is pragmatic

00:37:44.320 trump also has good allies in south arabia in ue in qatar we're always friends you know i mean even if

00:37:50.800 venezuela uh is uh is is being blessed by united states it doesn't mean that they can go and produce

00:37:56.400 two three million barrels within right within months or weeks so it's going to take them time to go back

00:38:00.960 you know there all what they have has been obsolete frank speaking uh no new equipment has come to

00:38:06.320 there so so even the capacity of venezuela they cannot produce more than three four million barrels

00:38:11.680 so that's still okay you know it will not really impact the whole uh uh industry dramatically it will

00:38:17.120 impact it for sure but not necessarily devastated but over time and it takes a while to build the

00:38:22.640 infrastructure necessary to efficiently extract it but i mean over the next 10 years you could you could

00:38:28.080 see cheaper oil prices as a result of that right well for sure i mean i mean that's why south arabia

00:38:33.680 is transitioning from being an oil-based uh country into being a diversified economy so that's why we're

00:38:40.080 investing heavily in tourism we're investing heavily into new minerals we're investing into into other

00:38:46.080 alternatives uh to oil we are diversifying our economy in many areas so really when the price of oil

00:38:53.200 do sink to below 70 or 60 dollars we have other alternatives really to withstand the heat understand

00:38:59.760 the pressure of having less oil less price of oil it's just funny that you know it was a year ago if

00:39:08.240 you talk to any big investor at least in public they would say no no the future is not more drilling

00:39:15.040 for oil the future is more windmills and solar panels but you're saying actually the future sounds

00:39:20.240 like it's more drilling for oil well what i'm saying is that trump you know drill baby drill you

00:39:24.960 know i mean trump wants the price for oil to go down gold yeah clearly but also trump also has his eye on

00:39:31.520 the fracking united states because the the the the the the the average cost to produce a barrel

00:39:39.040 of fracking oil is also in the 50s to 60s also right so he doesn't want that that also to go

00:39:44.720 uh to go off so there's a balance here to to what mr trump can do obviously you can put your own

00:39:51.200 domestic extractors out of business exactly you don't do that so you want to balance it now clearly

00:39:55.680 trump came with a lot of you know without the momentum but then they you know when he has

00:40:00.240 discussions with south arabia and with other opic countries they will know that also south arabia

00:40:04.400 wants the interest of the consumers to be taken into consideration right there are a lot of competing

00:40:09.760 interests exactly on the question of price per barrel what do you think the the kind of right

00:40:15.840 number balancing all that is it's very difficult to judge this really all depends on on supply and

00:40:21.280 demand frankly speaking and you see china china also has a big role in that and you see economy of

00:40:26.560 china right now is is moving into five six percent growth direction every year so you know there are

00:40:32.160 a lot of factors that that contribute into this in this whole big equation do you think i know that

00:40:39.440 obviously donald trump wants it in the 60s do you think we'll see it there

00:40:45.440 i hope not frankly speaking because i have this of south arabia yes you know i don't want to be 60

00:40:50.240 but i think long term there's no doubt that the the price of oil is heading uh not necessarily to

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00:42:54.800 did a big bet on russian energy right after the war in ukraine started the 2022 i think yes

00:43:01.440 with lucoil gazprom rosnev i think those three correct maybe invested three companies how'd you do

00:43:06.880 well we did we did well frankly speaking you know we did sell part of it and we did with some small

00:43:12.640 profit and now we still have some stake there so the war starts in ukraine and everyone's running away

00:43:18.880 from russia and russian energy the world is you know reorienting away from hydrocarbons in general

00:43:25.040 and you swoop in and make a huge bet on traditional russian energy why'd you do that this was part of our

00:43:30.560 our you know investment philosophy and policy you know we invested in so many companies that that

00:43:36.080 year in western europe united states and these three russian companies were among them right but

00:43:43.840 other people were not doing that why did you do that we are sometimes contrarian and successfully so

00:43:50.160 if you were to pick apart from ai and energy like another two or three industries that you think are

00:43:55.760 a good bet moving forward technology what kind well look we are invested very heavily invested in

00:44:01.600 technology for example in china we are in many companies like baidu alibaba yeah tencent dd uh you

00:44:10.400 know baidu is very heavily on board also in artificial intelligence in america we are also invested in

00:44:17.040 in where meta where x xci in snapchat we are many companies also in america so we have a diversified

00:44:24.160 portfolio in technology we are also in in hospitality you know in four seasons and

00:44:29.680 and accord and we have very diversified portfolio so you're in alibaba ten years ago a little over

00:44:36.640 ten years ago jack ma was a very famous person the united states he was doing his road show with jp

00:44:40.480 morgan everyone loved jack ma company gets you know one of the biggest market caps the world and then

00:44:44.720 jack ma disappears whatever happened to jack ma you know i know jack ma very well that you do yeah i used

00:44:51.360 to meet him always at the microsoft meeting with bill gates you know i think you know jack ma really

00:44:57.120 you know you know china look is a centralized political system and i think he went a bit too

00:45:03.280 far you know with the i'm being very frank with you he went a bit too far in his being outspoken

00:45:09.600 against the regime and against the communist system so he was just told to just to cool it down a little

00:45:15.280 bit and i think that's what happened he is now in a cooling down period he's in a cooling down

00:45:21.520 are his whereabouts known no he's settling between japan and chinese anyway but he's coming in our

00:45:27.440 public a little bit right now but he's not as high profile as before yeah no he's not can um the united

00:45:32.960 states is a big military footprint in east asia mostly in korea and japan but also other countries

00:45:39.520 can that continue well look as i told you that america is a big force to be reckoned with america

00:45:45.760 america is an empire now we don't call the empire these days but america is an empire

00:45:50.400 you know you uh you you you have hegemony on the world the whole world and america is a force to be

00:45:57.600 listened to so i think these these these spaces are very important to stay there to counter what's

00:46:04.000 what's going on with china also yes so i know america now is being more somehow a bit isolationist

00:46:10.560 in in this approach but you know i think once uh trump you know get more uh in the second term he

00:46:17.040 will will acknowledge the fact that america needs to have these uh this presence in all these areas

00:46:23.280 to keep the strength of america uh consolidated so you say that as a big investor in chinese companies

00:46:30.080 you want to see american troops in asia stay there well i mean this i mean in china not necessarily

00:46:36.640 against china but you don't you have a crazy guy in north korea you know who's really a proxy for

00:46:42.000 china though i mean you know but but you know it's still easy loose cannon also yeah then they i know

00:46:47.040 i mean he he he does take orders from china and somehow from russia but also he's a very independent

00:46:52.800 guy and loose cannon also do you know him no i don't know him you've no north korean investments at

00:46:57.840 all no north korean at all if i'm going to be there i'll ask trump to introduce me to him he's

00:47:01.680 his friend it was a bold move from president trump to meet him oh i i was there it was it was a bold

00:47:08.640 move no there's no doubt about it and he took a lot of criticism i mean what what do you mean since

00:47:14.960 you're from the middle east i would say your mother was lebanese you're related to people in power

00:47:21.040 in a bunch of different countries it's very common here for people for adversaries to meet and talk

00:47:26.160 in the west in the last couple decades the idea has been if we disagree with you we're not talking

00:47:30.560 to you what do you think of that no i am frankly speaking i am i'm very much supporting what trump

00:47:36.560 does here to talk to his adversaries i think it's a plus i mean for now now we hear that trump is going

00:47:43.520 to open communication with putin on ukraine i think i'm for it frankly speaking you know unless you

00:47:48.720 engage how can you reach a conclusion agreement or arrangement i am for it frankly i leave this very bold

00:47:53.680 from him to meet the leader of north north korea yes how would you describe putin well putin is you

00:48:02.320 know he's a very smart man and he calculates very well his moves you know he's easy he's a he's very

00:48:09.120 smart guy and and clearly he uh one of the things he said he feels sorry for the day that the soviet

00:48:17.760 union uh disintegrated into all these 15 republics so he has this uh empire mentality in him

00:48:26.400 he it's it's it's in him it's in his mind for sure he still uh craves for the for the soviet

00:48:33.440 empire and the czarist empire that used to be there before the revolution up in 1917 yes everyone

00:48:39.840 wants an empire oh yeah yeah do you think china wants an empire look china i think you know they

00:48:45.680 have 1.5 1.3 billion people i think the first priority really is to control their domestic situation

00:48:52.880 and have growth because look china has a big problem look you have a a very uh open

00:49:00.400 capitalistic economical system in china yet the political system is very centralized authoritarian

00:49:07.280 and communist obviously now these two uh don't go well together so the question now until when

00:49:14.480 these these two could happen and continue uh you know china is very concerned about this internal

00:49:20.400 situation obviously and they want to have this growth happening to really to to to to to have its

00:49:26.160 people uh migrate from being the poor the poor level to being middle class yes so that's i think

00:49:31.920 that's the main worry frankly speaking russia for the foreseeable future but couldn't you say that

00:49:35.760 about a lot of countries like if you had a monarchy that was liberalizing its economy and opening itself

00:49:41.680 to the world had a state religion had you know a thousand year old culture wouldn't you be worried

00:49:47.760 i mean how would that work how could you maintain political control look i think you're alluding

00:49:51.440 south arabia and the gulf region which is fine which is which is fine nothing look look we you

00:49:56.160 know we talk very free and openly look uh south arabia has legitimacy and i you know i just said in

00:50:02.320 one interviews few a few a few few weeks ago look at the six monarchies in the arab world yes

00:50:07.760 south arabia qatar bahrain ui oman kuwait these six monarchies add to them morocco add to jordan these

00:50:15.920 are eight monarchies look how i'm not segregated how good they're doing how stable they are that

00:50:20.880 is true how legitimate they are look at jordan look at the neighborhood of jordan around it

00:50:25.840 syria iraq lebanon and israel and hamas all and look how stable it is right now clearly it's still

00:50:33.280 very difficult situation there eight monarchies compare them with the other 14 republics in that

00:50:38.720 world there are 22 obviously there's there's no comparison between them so we have legitimacy here

00:50:43.680 when the mark is headed by saudi arabia and other you know seven countries

00:50:49.200 i mean of course i disagree with you as an american but i agree with you as a traveler

00:50:54.000 i mean what you're saying is obviously true but in our system legitimacy comes from the consent of the

00:50:59.200 governed our leaders are legitimate because we vote for them no one votes for your crown prince

00:51:04.880 but it's also true that your country is thriving and the the other five the other seven monarchies you

00:51:09.680 mentioned are are doing well relative to the republic so what why do you think that's true

00:51:17.200 if you go to the public here and rate prince muhammad min salman yeah he will get 70 to 80 percent if

00:51:25.040 not 90 approval rating i think that's true to be honest with you yeah i believe that and this

00:51:29.120 this says it all frankly speaking people would like to get stability wants continuity wants uh wants to

00:51:35.440 to be sure that the economy is doing well people are fed up from all these wars and uh and all these

00:51:40.640 turmoils and they see what's happening to their uh the neighborhood we've seen what's happening in

00:51:44.640 south for example in our gulf region so they're headed by saudi arabia we see what's happening in iraq

00:51:48.560 syria lebanon yemen we don't want all that we don't want all that so really frankly speaking we are very

00:51:55.280 happy country here all the uh saudis are are very happy with what's going on crown prince very popular

00:52:01.440 king salman is beloved by everybody here so frankly speaking forget the elections we're happy we're

00:52:07.200 okay well i disagree with you in theory but agree with you in practice because it's just what you're

00:52:11.680 saying is it's just true it's a fact um i don't want it to be a fact but it is a fact so what is that

00:52:17.520 i mean is the i mean democracy is just a kind of brief interlude in all human history it's a pretty new

00:52:24.160 thing um i mean do you think it has a future what do you mean by democracy i mean in our region well

00:52:31.360 if you're saying i don't know i mean you're saying that all the republics in your region are struggling

00:52:36.720 all the monarchies are thriving and then is roughly speaking true there are other factors we have seen

00:52:41.920 what happened to the so-called bush democracy in iraq we have seen what happened there that how could

00:52:47.280 this whole thing collapse completely you know iraq is a republic correct and we had the elections

00:52:52.560 there and we see the results we don't want that confusion chaos look we have monarchies we're

00:52:57.200 happy with them people are happy that's what counts for us to be honest with you with respect to americans

00:53:02.320 with respect to tucker karlson my friend you know we're happy with our systems and we're going to continue

00:53:07.040 with it uh what do you what is crypto exactly well crypto you know is is a new system you know of uh

00:53:17.680 a currency system that you know i don't buy frankly speaking i don't know i would not invest in crypto

00:53:23.760 at all and uh i uh i don't think it's for us at all but it's there it's facts right now uh it's a huge

00:53:31.760 part of the i understand the fastest growing sector is the american economy but still you know i'm not

00:53:36.720 to believe in that at all why i would not invest there in crypto you know i just it's not regulated well

00:53:41.600 it is you know many u.s uh big businessmen do uh do agree with me on that subject you know i don't

00:53:49.760 understand it very well and it is new form of currency that is really is very very confusing for

00:53:55.200 me and complicated and i don't understand is it a currency or is it i mean form of payment it was

00:54:00.480 that's what it's supposed to be but from what i can tell it's like an invest it's a something that

00:54:04.240 you invest in yeah i mean kind of imaginary goal we have so many other investments to the world is

00:54:09.360 full investments and better investments to invest in and we never invested in crypto and we never

00:54:13.840 invest in crypto you're never going to invest in crypto then why are the i mean the banks big banks

00:54:19.520 in the united states i mean all your friends they're all in crypto some they are forced to i mean even

00:54:23.360 jb morgan that never believed in that now they're forced to i mean sometimes you have facts that you

00:54:27.760 have to go with but you know not not necessarily with full conviction but they are forced to go with

00:54:34.320 it unfortunately why are they forced well look many other banks are doing it so they are forced for

00:54:38.320 the clients so many many clients believe in crypto many clients in the world believe in crypto and so

00:54:43.040 they have to reflect the needs and the wishes of their own clients so they go that reluctantly

00:54:48.880 huh i mean if if you have enough assets invested in crypto at some point it becomes kind of dangerous

00:54:56.240 doesn't it for sure definitely you know i you know i believe it could be a time bomb waiting to explode

00:55:01.520 uh i could be wrong but uh that's my own belief and that's the belief of the head of uh of jb morgan

00:55:08.400 also jimmy diamond you think he still thinks that he thinks that and actually when he was in um

00:55:14.000 in davos they asked him a question he refused to comment on it completely i saw his interview he declined

00:55:19.040 to comment on it because he's fed up from saying it's bad bad bad bad so he's just giving up and not

00:55:24.800 commenting exactly that's what's happening huh uh are any other countries in this region embracing

00:55:33.200 crypto yeah there are some countries you know yeah some but i mean but not heavily not heavily what

00:55:38.480 about gold no gold the gold is is you know is many countries have have gold as as one of their

00:55:44.480 investments for sure yes are you an investor in gold no no but but we do have some small portfolio of

00:55:49.920 gold but nothing major nothing major no nothing major do you expect it to go much higher well you

00:55:56.240 know i mean it goes up and down like it's based on supply and demand you know but to us really it's

00:56:04.800 not a priority you know uh gold we're not very heavily invested in the gold for your country for

00:56:09.840 saudi arabia you've opened it up very dramatically both physically opened it up you're issuing visas to

00:56:15.280 everybody which you were not doing ever um but you've opened it up socially women in the workforce

00:56:22.880 getting ready guardianship women driving most famously um what are the reforms the liberalizations

00:56:29.840 that you wouldn't do here where will you draw the line look uh saudi arabia opened a lot uh since 1950

00:56:39.040 uh since 2015 when king salman took over and prince hamad bin salman uh got in charge of the local

00:56:48.400 uh situation and we opened up a lot and i'm very happy with this complete uh liberalization of the

00:56:55.760 economy liberalization socially whereby women became incorporated in the society uh equal opportunity

00:57:04.080 uh women can drive now basically it's it's a normalization of of of the woman incorporation

00:57:11.680 into the society yes so prince muhammad just um uh made a woman equal to two men frankly speaking

00:57:18.240 yes it was a big achievement for us because for many years before that we were deprived from that

00:57:22.960 and i called for that many years ago and thanks god happened so really uh uh there's no limit to where

00:57:29.360 we can go but obviously uh you know no one wants to go beyond the limit you know it's just like america

00:57:34.400 you know if you do you do everything within the law within the legal system it's acceptable yeah that's

00:57:39.520 what's happening here you know our country became normal we were normalized situation with all our

00:57:45.200 countries in the world well normal in the west is you know well alcohol for one thing legalized marijuana

00:57:52.080 uh transgender teachers transgender admirals i mean are there points where you say we we don't want

00:57:59.600 that no look frankly speaking i'm very conservative you know i lived in america you know i'm anti-alcohol

00:58:04.640 and i'm very happy that my country has no alcohol frankly speaking and i i don't mind that at all

00:58:09.120 uh uh i'm very liberal man socially yet i'm very conservative uh in the when it comes to for

00:58:16.560 example using uh drugs or alcohol i'm very much against that so so these are off the limits for

00:58:21.920 us for sure and we will not accept that in southern you can have tourism without alcohol uh it's happening

00:58:27.600 already you know that's true it's happening already to be honest with you and if it's happening already

00:58:33.120 so it's been tested already right now so frankly speaking the answer is yes it's possible and it's

00:58:38.000 happening and do you think they'll stick with it the government will stay well you know i think this

00:58:41.280 for saudi government to decide of course i'm not government official uh so far so good

00:58:46.720 but it's for the government to decide what are the next steps on that front so in our country we had

00:58:52.480 prohibition of alcohol for what 14 years yes and it is described to everybody i mean universally

00:59:00.400 believed to be a massive failure i don't know if that's actually true but that's how history has

00:59:03.600 recorded it but that's i mean you think it's a success here why do you look look look Saudi Arabia is

00:59:12.000 an islamic country and religion is very an integral part of our society yes and uh not having alcohol

00:59:20.960 here is not really something that says people are miss a lot you know i mean clearly when you have

00:59:26.240 western come here for sure you would like to have some alcohol i mean there's no need to deny that

00:59:31.280 obviously but um i think uh to have an experience in Saudi Arabia without alcohol is something to be

00:59:37.440 tried but then today it's the government Saudi government to decide if this policy to continue

00:59:42.880 or not to continue and it's going to continue in certain areas you know you've been to red sea i

00:59:48.400 think yes in certain areas if you would like to have this uh uh to be a permit or not it's not for

00:59:54.080 me but i'm going to live with both scenarios it's just interesting because it's the one of the last

00:59:59.520 pretty sober societies in the world do you i mean and you've lived in a number of places what what are

01:00:06.080 the differences it's good to be sober yeah it is good to be sober it's nice to be sober i'll quote you

01:00:11.680 for that beautiful to be sober love it you're you're something else takara

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The Tucker Carlson Show - February 05, 2025

Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran

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