The Tucker Carlson Show - Sean Davis： Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate

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00:00:18.300 So almost exactly five months ago, the Republican presidential candidate was shot in the face on camera.

00:00:27.000 The man who apparently did it is killed.

00:00:30.580 The world stops.

00:00:32.580 History changes.

00:00:33.820 But the one thing that doesn't happen is any accounting of what that was.

00:00:39.240 Who was this guy?

00:00:40.700 How did this happen?

00:00:43.280 And even now, on the cusp of Trump's inauguration, it's disappeared.

00:00:48.480 I haven't heard anybody ask those questions.

00:00:50.600 I've heard some dark mutterings.

00:00:51.740 And so you're one of the people who I think was on the story at the very beginning in a rational but insistent way.

00:00:58.820 And so I thought it'd be worth asking, like, what was that?

00:01:01.720 Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever seen an incident of that magnitude disappear from the news so quickly.

00:01:07.940 Yes.

00:01:08.180 We got, what, maybe a week of, like, true kind of flood-the-zone coverage?

00:01:11.900 Yes.

00:01:12.040 And then it was gone.

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00:01:40.440 Here's the episode.

00:01:42.040 That, to me, is the weirdest thing about it.

00:01:44.440 But it was a shooting.

00:01:45.300 It was an assassination attempt.

00:01:47.220 And it raised, like, the most pressing possible questions about a lot of different things.

00:01:51.960 And, you know, I understand the news media didn't want to give Trump any advantage, didn't want to run the picture of him triumphant.

00:01:56.900 I get it.

00:01:57.340 But you would think that every elected official, every American would want to know, how did, how was this allowed to happen?

00:02:04.400 It was allowed to happen, but by whom and why and how?

00:02:08.060 And I don't hear anybody, including Republicans, asking those questions.

00:02:11.300 So, like, what is this?

00:02:12.260 Yeah, so I kind of look at it as three big questions.

00:02:16.900 Who is the shooter?

00:02:18.180 Yes.

00:02:18.800 Everything that kind of puts him together.

00:02:20.960 How did they let it happen, that whole process?

00:02:24.020 And then what happened to everyone who let it happen?

00:02:27.000 And then within that, like, the framework I have, trying to figure out, you know, what exactly happened, is you can look at it as, like, option one, just a total snafu across the board.

00:02:39.940 Everyone failed.

00:02:41.300 Accidents happen.

00:02:42.760 Guy manages to get up there.

00:02:44.100 It's exactly what it looks like.

00:02:45.900 So that's option one.

00:02:47.020 And then you've got option two, which is kind of what I would call strategic incompetence.

00:02:52.360 So you have DHS, which runs Secret Service, and the Secret Service is a soup sandwich from top to bottom.

00:02:59.660 Like, it's a disaster.

00:03:01.480 Culturally, everything about it.

00:03:03.700 Did you have people who were making that even more difficult, who were deliberately making Trump vulnerable, on the off chance that maybe someone would go solve their problems for them?

00:03:16.760 So that's my number two.

00:03:18.100 So my number three kind of scenario is it encompasses all a number two.

00:03:23.880 But you kind of have two different hands of government.

00:03:26.340 You've got the Secret Service hand, which is totally incompetent, making them completely vulnerable.

00:03:33.340 But unbeknownst to that hand, you have this other hand.

00:03:37.200 Like, I would call it, like, the Russiagate hoax hand.

00:03:40.140 These people who are just always doing awful, evil things.

00:03:42.440 The John Brennan hand.

00:03:43.580 Yeah.

00:03:43.740 Was there somebody there looking for super disturbed, impressionable young men to kind of poke with the stick?

00:03:51.480 Like, you know, Trump's and Butler.

00:03:53.800 You should go check that out. 0.64

00:03:56.240 So you have the incompetent hand and then the devious hand.

00:03:59.680 So that, to me, is option three.

00:04:01.480 And they weren't working with each other, but they were creating the conditions to allow what happened to happen.

00:04:06.880 And then I think the fourth one is the government just killed him.

00:04:12.280 It's like those are – I kind of look at everything through those lenses and try to figure out, can we disprove this one?

00:04:19.400 What fits here?

00:04:20.680 And, like, where I am now, I'm, like, kind of between two and three.

00:04:24.940 I refuse to believe this was just a series of unfortunate accidents and incompetence that's put together.

00:04:32.580 It's just not – I just don't believe it.

00:04:35.520 Because I've been alive for the last, you know, ten years watching everything they do.

00:04:39.220 Yes.

00:04:39.680 And yet, I don't think there's evidence for, like, the JFK style.

00:04:45.600 Like, we all know Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it, right?

00:04:48.200 Of course.

00:04:48.460 It's absurd.

00:04:49.500 So I don't think there's any evidence, or at least I've not seen any, to suggest that was replicated here.

00:04:56.100 So I think it's somewhere in between deliberate incompetence to make him vulnerable, and then you had some cell somewhere finding someone to urge to go do it in ways that would make it very hard to trace.

00:05:08.660 So thank you for starting with your conclusion.

00:05:12.100 Let's work backward and go through by number the three questions that you raised at the outset.

00:05:17.220 But who was Crooks, Thomas Crooks, the shooter?

00:05:20.620 Yeah, we still don't know.

00:05:22.240 Like, it's wild.

00:05:25.000 This kid comes out of nowhere, manages to get on the roof, shoots President Trump, fires eight shots before anyone, even, like, remotely tries to bother him.

00:05:36.220 He's able to fly a drone there for, like, 10 or 20 minutes.

00:05:39.720 Did recon multiple times throughout the day.

00:05:43.400 Had an operative, operable IEDs in his car.

00:05:47.760 Had a bomb in his house.

00:05:50.100 And we still know basically nothing about him.

00:05:54.000 It's crazy.

00:05:55.180 So America First Legal, they sued to get his academic records.

00:05:59.440 And turns out he was a really good student.

00:06:02.320 Really good student.

00:06:03.560 I think he got his entire time in high school and college, like, maybe two Cs.

00:06:08.220 I think one was in Spanish and one was in differential equations.

00:06:11.500 And the rest were mostly A's and some B's here and there.

00:06:14.340 So he was, like, a smart, smart kid.

00:06:17.280 Um, one of the congressional committees did an investigation looking into it.

00:06:23.880 Um, and parents really didn't know much about their own son.

00:06:29.060 Like, I think, uh, either the mom or the dad at the point asked, are you gay?

00:06:32.780 Like, you're not dating anyone?

00:06:34.740 What's going on?

00:06:35.640 Like, they don't even know, kind of, what's going on there.

00:06:39.460 Um, we know the FBI has, like, his phone, his devices, his computer.

00:06:44.700 They know who he was talking to.

00:06:46.560 They know where he went.

00:06:48.120 They know where he bought stuff.

00:06:49.640 They know what he searched for.

00:06:52.020 And we don't know anything about that.

00:06:54.720 So there's a Senate report from the Homeland Security Committee that tried to dig into it.

00:06:58.960 And there are two congressional committees in the House and the Senate that actually did a really good job,

00:07:03.020 given all the constraints they have, figuring stuff out.

00:07:06.140 So they asked the FBI, you know, all these questions, because the FBI took the lead on it.

00:07:11.520 Give us all this information.

00:07:12.580 At the time the Senate put out their initial report, the FBI had given them 27 pages total.

00:07:21.560 How?

00:07:23.620 I mean, it's Congress.

00:07:24.520 They could shut the FBI down.

00:07:25.780 Like, what, what, I don't understand what is going on.

00:07:28.000 Yeah, and you had the other...

00:07:29.420 On what grounds could, would they not turn that over?

00:07:30.940 Do you know?

00:07:31.440 They, it's this weird thing that happens.

00:07:35.000 They actually don't have any legal basis to do it.

00:07:37.860 They'll say things like, well, ongoing investigation, that's totally made up.

00:07:42.080 Even when there is an ongoing investigation and not when your suspect is dead.

00:07:46.040 So, like, clearly no one's going to be criminally tried for that because he's dead.

00:07:50.580 Even that's totally made up.

00:07:52.500 There's nothing in the Constitution that says this agency that Congress created and is funded by Congress can just not give them stuff because reasons.

00:08:01.920 It's totally made up.

00:08:03.160 So, I think a big reason is most people in Congress are totally weak. 0.99

00:08:07.100 Like, they're cowards. 0.99

00:08:08.260 Yeah, that's for sure. 0.96

00:08:08.780 They don't want to get crosswise with the FBI who take a lot of work.

00:08:12.500 So, they're just kind of like, huh, okay.

00:08:14.460 I guess we won't get it.

00:08:15.200 Ongoing investigation.

00:08:16.160 Yeah.

00:08:16.520 The House Committee, for example, they also did a great job.

00:08:19.280 They said that the FBI interviewed over 1,000 people in the course of their investigation.

00:08:26.360 And they produced over 1,000, they're called FD-302s, which is how the FBI, it's actually crazy what they're allowed to do.

00:08:34.300 I know.

00:08:34.720 They don't have to have a transcript or anything when they interview you.

00:08:37.460 They just have a piece of paper that's their recollection of what you said.

00:08:41.400 And then that becomes gospel.

00:08:42.740 They don't have to record it.

00:08:43.600 No.

00:08:43.700 No.

00:08:44.200 That's actually how James Comey got Martha Stewart thrown in prison. 0.73

00:08:46.900 Oh, I know.

00:08:47.400 Yeah, it's so dirty.

00:08:49.040 But so, they have 1,000 interviews, over 1,000 documents.

00:08:51.780 They gave the House 81.

00:08:56.000 So, it's just mind-blowing.

00:08:59.220 So, we don't know, like, anything about this Crooks guy beyond, I think, like, maybe a 15-minute press conference that one of the FBI, I think might have been the FBI guy out of Pittsburgh who runs that office.

00:09:13.000 Like, 15 minutes of him talking in very vague, like, 50,000-foot terms about what they knew.

00:09:19.040 Oh, he searched for Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

00:09:23.040 Do you remember that?

00:09:23.900 Yes.

00:09:24.160 How that came out, and that was meant to make it look like, oh, the guy didn't really have any political motives.

00:09:32.200 Did he?

00:09:33.020 I mean, what were his motives? 0.96

00:09:34.740 Well, I mean, the base motive was he wanted to kill Donald Trump. 0.79

00:09:37.140 Right.

00:09:37.620 Which everyone kind of got lost over.

00:09:40.500 You'd have the talking heads being like, what was his motive? 0.98

00:09:43.200 Well, I think he wanted to shoot Trump in the face. 0.93

00:09:46.440 Just spitballing here. 0.99

00:09:48.220 But so, you have the FBI, he's like, well, he searched for Trump and Biden, so clearly he didn't have any political views.

00:09:56.800 I'm like, well, how many times did he search for?

00:09:59.020 What was he searching?

00:10:00.460 That's, like, kind of a, it's kind of an important thing.

00:10:03.620 Well, he searched for the DNC and the RNC.

00:10:06.160 Okay, great.

00:10:07.340 That's utterly worthless information that I can do nothing with.

00:10:10.780 And they're like, and that's it.

00:10:14.460 So, we, I mean.

00:10:15.540 We literally don't know.

00:10:17.180 We know nothing about this kid.

00:10:18.780 No, we don't know who he was talking.

00:10:21.000 Like, here are the things I would want to know.

00:10:23.320 All the places he went in, like, the six months leading up to this.

00:10:27.620 Not just the week.

00:10:28.800 I want to know every place he went.

00:10:30.420 I want to know every person he talked to in person.

00:10:32.900 I want to know every person he had a phone conversation with, texted with, telegrammed with, signaled with.

00:10:37.820 I want to know everything he looked for on Google Maps.

00:10:40.860 I want his whole internet search history.

00:10:42.720 And I, like, want to go through it in real time.

00:10:45.600 And, like, just find out what was happening.

00:10:48.200 I assume the FBI has done that.

00:10:50.240 I know they have the capability to do it.

00:10:52.620 Why, like, why has Congress not been told anything about it?

00:10:56.560 And why have we not?

00:10:59.300 It's just, and so that kind of stuff is why it's impossible for me to look at everything and be like,

00:11:05.500 well, it was just a series of unfortunate accidents.

00:11:08.260 But, I mean, the core question in any crime is, like, why was it committed?

00:11:13.260 And, I mean, we're not, it sounds like there's no progress whatsoever.

00:11:18.160 None.

00:11:18.680 None.

00:11:20.320 Well, that itself is, like, just tells you that the country's in free fall.

00:11:23.620 That it's just so corrupt it can't even carry out the basic functions of government.

00:11:27.560 Right.

00:11:27.720 They're trying to figure out why murderers murder.

00:11:29.600 Right.

00:11:29.900 But, like, who was he talking to?

00:11:32.700 Was he just alone in his own silo doing all this?

00:11:36.480 Did he do everything on the internet?

00:11:38.140 I don't believe it because at one point they told us, oh, he had encrypted text messages,

00:11:42.880 some of which were overseas, and they just let that float out there and then never talked about it again.

00:11:48.960 Is there any evidence he was in touch with any specific person or group overseas?

00:11:54.400 None that I've seen.

00:11:55.680 None.

00:11:55.920 None.

00:11:56.300 So we just, we just, no details about anything.

00:11:57.980 It's a total black box.

00:11:59.680 Yeah.

00:12:00.320 Okay.

00:12:00.740 So Heritage Foundation at one point, one of their guys over there, great investigator,

00:12:04.740 Mike Howell, I don't know how he did it, was able to get, like, location data on devices

00:12:14.640 that had been in or near Thomas Crooks' home.

00:12:18.100 Yes.

00:12:18.620 In the weeks or months leading up to it, and then where those had been.

00:12:23.040 So I think this came out, like, maybe a week after.

00:12:25.620 Yes.

00:12:26.160 There was one that had pinged around the FBI.

00:12:28.860 Yes.

00:12:29.180 Now, that could be a.

00:12:29.960 The FBI building in Washington.

00:12:30.920 In Washington.

00:12:31.420 Now, that could be a ton of different things because everything's around the FBI.

00:12:34.040 Of course.

00:12:35.080 That's, but I'd like to know more about that.

00:12:38.820 But we haven't been told anything.

00:12:40.520 So, he had IEDs.

00:12:44.000 He sent up a drone.

00:12:45.120 So in order.

00:12:45.840 What were the IEDs?

00:12:46.920 Do we have any idea?

00:12:47.960 Yeah, so he had two IEDs in his car that they found afterwards.

00:12:53.400 They were wired.

00:12:54.900 They had detonators in them.

00:12:56.300 They had primers.

00:12:57.420 They were connected to remote sensors that he had a remote control for on the roof to set off.

00:13:04.460 Now, what's super weird about it is in the car, the remote transmitters there were off.

00:13:13.880 So even if he had that remote transmitter in his hand, he couldn't have set him off.

00:13:19.220 So that to me is weird.

00:13:20.780 You go through all this trouble. 1.00

00:13:22.500 You're going to try and kill the president. 0.99

00:13:24.200 You've got all these bombs in your car. 1.00

00:13:26.960 But then you don't.

00:13:27.980 I mean, they're technically armed.

00:13:29.840 But there was nothing that he could do to set them off.

00:13:34.000 That's weird.

00:13:34.920 It is weird.

00:13:35.820 It doesn't make any sense to me.

00:13:37.040 And he, I should have asked this earlier, no statement of any kind, no manifesto.

00:13:41.000 None.

00:13:41.460 No description of his own beliefs about anything.

00:13:43.800 Nope.

00:13:44.340 Of any kind.

00:13:45.020 None.

00:13:46.080 He liked shooting.

00:13:47.220 Like, he seemed to go to a shooting range every now and again.

00:13:51.000 Clearly, he liked shooting.

00:13:52.160 And I, you know, right after the shooting, there were all these, you know, usual, I was

00:13:57.700 a door kicker of some special operations people on TV saying that's an easy shot, 130 yards.

00:14:03.620 That's just not true.

00:14:04.520 That's just, that's a lot.

00:14:05.420 I mean, I shoot a lot.

00:14:06.600 He, Crooks turned, a cop, a local cop came up a ladder behind him.

00:14:11.080 He, Crooks, correct me if I'm wrong. 0.92

00:14:13.440 You're right.

00:14:14.620 Backed the cop down and then immediately assumed the prone position, got off eight shots at

00:14:19.560 that, and I think it was 130 yards.

00:14:21.200 I think it was probably 150, but like, whatever, that's plus or minus.

00:14:24.360 Pretty far.

00:14:24.900 Yeah.

00:14:25.520 And, and got as close as the president's ear.

00:14:29.580 So under extreme stress as a 20-year-old with no military training, I mean, luck plays,

00:14:36.800 does play a role in everything, including shooting, but I'm sorry.

00:14:39.860 I, I, I have a hundred yard rifle range.

00:14:42.420 I know what that is.

00:14:43.180 That's like pretty good.

00:14:44.280 Yeah.

00:14:44.580 It's, it, it, it's helpful to know what he had.

00:14:47.980 So he had, I think it was a DPMS AR-15, like pretty vanilla off the shelf.

00:14:53.520 I had wondered for a long time what his optic was.

00:14:55.980 Yes.

00:14:56.200 Was he using iron sights?

00:14:57.100 Because to me, that makes all the difference.

00:14:58.640 It does.

00:14:58.980 For like a layman between hard and easy.

00:15:01.660 Yes.

00:15:01.820 Like you take some like pipe hitter who's been doing it for 20 years, whatever.

00:15:05.520 He can, he can do what he can do.

00:15:07.520 He only had a red dot on it.

00:15:09.060 So he had a hollow sun red dot with a two MOA red dot, no magnification.

00:15:14.480 That, I, I like to think I'm a pretty good shooter.

00:15:17.200 I shoot a lot.

00:15:18.520 I think that's a tricky shot.

00:15:19.980 I totally agree.

00:15:20.980 Especially under stress.

00:15:22.080 Yeah.

00:15:22.660 And, and.

00:15:23.320 Which is always the key.

00:15:24.180 It's like anyone can sit on a Sunday afternoon with your kids and like, you know.

00:15:26.980 On the, on the bench with like.

00:15:28.880 Completely.

00:15:29.280 Yeah.

00:15:29.760 But there's a cop behind you with a gun and you lie down and get off eight shots and one

00:15:34.140 of them is just spot on.

00:15:36.220 I don't know.

00:15:36.920 He only missed because Trump turned his head.

00:15:39.120 I know.

00:15:39.300 Like when you know the angle, like he started out with a target like this, that became this.

00:15:45.760 Like.

00:15:46.480 Yes.

00:15:47.100 And so he went, you know, from probably a four to six inch target to like a one inch target

00:15:53.300 just based on where he was aiming.

00:15:55.520 That, I, my friends are going to make fun of me for saying like, that's a hard shot.

00:15:59.460 I think that's a tricky shot.

00:16:00.560 No magnification, under duress, on a hot roof.

00:16:02.680 It is a tricky shot.

00:16:03.520 I don't get all these people like, I do that.

00:16:06.100 But, you know, okay.

00:16:07.280 Show me.

00:16:07.920 Yeah.

00:16:08.020 If you have like a, you know, 18X magnifier on it, you're shooting it paper and you're

00:16:12.780 on a bench and you've got a nice little platform set up.

00:16:14.900 That's an easy shot.

00:16:15.640 And there's no armed police officer behind you coming up to shoot you. 0.79

00:16:20.800 So, yeah.

00:16:21.540 No, I mean.

00:16:22.160 But again, you know, luck does play a role in life for sure.

00:16:24.700 In life as backgammon, you know, luck is a component.

00:16:26.960 But, okay.

00:16:28.100 So, he brings these explosives inside what should be a perimeter.

00:16:33.000 He puts up.

00:16:33.640 It was outside the perimeter.

00:16:35.160 So, it was in his car.

00:16:36.420 Right.

00:16:37.120 So, I don't think that was within like the security perimeter.

00:16:40.420 Okay.

00:16:40.640 It's just wherever he parked his car.

00:16:41.720 But he's got bombs in it.

00:16:42.720 He's got operational bombs in his car.

00:16:44.940 And he puts a drone up.

00:16:46.280 What do we know about that?

00:16:47.160 So, we know that he showed up around the park, I think, around 1 o'clock.

00:16:53.500 So, the event was starting 6-ish.

00:16:55.700 So, they probably opened the doors at 4, let people in.

00:16:58.540 He was there beforehand, just kind of walking around, looking at things, casing it.

00:17:02.720 Comes back at, I think, 345-ish, 351, and flies a drone for like 20 minutes.

00:17:10.680 Flies it all around, looks at everything, gets a bird's eye view.

00:17:13.660 They were able to recreate the path that he had when they got the drone and the controller.

00:17:20.540 But there were no pictures from that flight.

00:17:24.680 So, he's looking at it on his controller, flying it and seeing what it sees.

00:17:28.520 But when they go to the device, there's no images on it.

00:17:31.820 They can recreate the flight path, but that's it.

00:17:34.380 So, he does that for like 20 minutes.

00:17:38.120 And what's interesting is the whole day, so the Secret Service didn't send their own drones.

00:17:43.660 But they sent some guy who'd gotten trained like a month or two previous, not on drone mitigation, but on drone detection.

00:17:50.640 So, he brings his little stuff in where he can go and detect a drone.

00:17:54.260 They can use it to figure out where the controller is and where a person is.

00:17:57.500 Doesn't work all day.

00:17:58.900 He spends like hours on the phone with an 800 number doing tech support.

00:18:03.020 I know, come on.

00:18:04.400 100% doing tech support.

00:18:06.580 Turns out he had a bad Ethernet cord.

00:18:10.540 You can't make that up.

00:18:13.000 He had a bad Ethernet cord.

00:18:14.160 So, he finally gets his working at like 4.15.

00:18:19.000 Literally minutes after Crooks had been done doing his recon with his drone.

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00:22:33.980 Is it true, and by the way, did the drone fly over the podium and the place where Trump was?

00:22:44.440 I don't know.

00:22:45.420 In the reports that are available, they say that they recreated the flight path and it went all around the area.

00:22:51.100 Whether it went right over that podium, I don't, I don't, I would assume so.

00:22:54.960 You have 20 minutes.

00:22:55.840 It wasn't a big area.

00:22:56.780 He gets somehow a rangefinder onto the site through a Secret Service screen?

00:23:04.540 No, I don't think he, I don't think he took it through the magnetometer.

00:23:08.380 So, one of the problems was you have this area that really isn't that big.

00:23:12.100 It's a farm show.

00:23:13.200 So, you've got, you know, a horse ring for people doing stuff with livestock.

00:23:18.580 You've got a big field.

00:23:20.080 You've got grandstands here and there.

00:23:21.760 You've got a bunch of barns, but it's not a big area.

00:23:23.600 And you would think they would have made the whole thing the security perimeter, like a full circle all the way around.

00:23:30.420 You're not getting in without getting checked for anything.

00:23:33.320 But they ended up carving out this area, which was the American Glass Research, the AGR building.

00:23:39.200 The sprawling, we'll call it like a five-building complex.

00:23:43.460 And it was from one of those roofs that he shot Trump from.

00:23:47.540 And they decided, you know, we're going to put that outside of our security perimeter.

00:23:51.300 So, you can get to that area without having been screened or anything.

00:23:54.960 No magnetometers, no pat-downs.

00:23:58.120 And that's like 130, 150 yards from the president.

00:24:03.600 I think he may have been around that area with the rangefinder.

00:24:08.140 He may have gotten in, but they ask one of the Secret Service agents.

00:24:12.300 He's like, well, a rangefinder is not a prohibited item.

00:24:15.000 It's suspicious.

00:24:16.620 It makes you wonder.

00:24:18.380 Why would you have a rangefinder?

00:24:20.120 Yeah.

00:24:20.420 He's not golfing, okay?

00:24:21.800 He's not like trying to figure out, did I use the nine iron or like my pitching wedge?

00:24:27.200 Like, you know why someone has a rangefinder.

00:24:30.140 He's for shooting.

00:24:30.780 Yeah.

00:24:31.400 And by the way, there's a difference between golf rangefinders and ballistic rangefinders.

00:24:36.240 Of course.

00:24:36.940 It's a big difference.

00:24:37.840 Yeah.

00:24:38.020 Like, you get a nice ballistic rangefinder and it'll like, it'll tell you not just like

00:24:43.580 your horizontal distance, it'll give you your actual shooting distance, compensating for

00:24:47.840 your angle of view and all that.

00:24:49.820 Like, that's not like, oh, it's a hundred, it's a hundred and eight yards.

00:24:52.740 Plus it's camo.

00:24:53.760 Yeah.

00:24:54.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:54.600 I mean, it looks like.

00:24:55.600 Like, so they see that and the local cops flag him as suspicious.

00:25:00.820 So the local cops start kind of getting on their radios and saying, hey, there's a dude

00:25:05.320 with a rangefinder, like everyone be on the lookout for it.

00:25:10.200 Secret Service doesn't really hear this because all the counter snipers, their lead counter

00:25:15.880 sniper, who is the most junior person on the team, which I find fascinating.

00:25:20.000 The counter snipers hadn't been used, I think, on a non-presidential event in ever.

00:25:25.920 This was the first one.

00:25:28.200 They put, of the four people they send, the most junior guys, the team leader.

00:25:31.860 He doesn't even bother to go pick up his radio.

00:25:34.960 That would have given him comms with all of the local police.

00:25:40.520 That's mind-blowing to me.

00:25:42.020 It is mind-blowing.

00:25:42.520 I was talking to a former army ranger, sniper friend of mine, was a sniper in combat, was

00:25:48.260 a team leader.

00:25:49.680 And before I even started telling him kind of the stuff I learned and stuff I knew, he

00:25:54.040 said, well, I mean, a radio is a sniper's most powerful weapon.

00:25:58.460 It's not the gun.

00:26:00.480 Like, that's actually not the sniper's job.

00:26:02.740 That's like one of seven things a sniper does.

00:26:05.520 Like, the most important thing they do is they observe and they record and they communicate.

00:26:08.780 And so, this guy, who's leading all of the counter snipers, who are there, by the way, because

00:26:13.920 there had been a specific long-range threat against Trump from a foreign actor that they

00:26:18.760 knew about.

00:26:19.600 That's why they were there.

00:26:23.300 The guy doesn't even bother to get his radio.

00:26:24.920 And so, when Trump is on stage, when you've got all the local cops, like, setting their

00:26:33.860 hair on fire, trying to get this guy who they know has a range finder, he's acting super

00:26:39.040 weird, at one point, you have local law enforcement starting to draw their weapons.

00:26:46.560 That's something you would think, like, maybe the Secret Service people on stage or the guys

00:26:50.820 on roofs would want to know about.

00:26:52.640 They had no idea.

00:26:54.920 Wouldn't, I mean, the first priority would be to establish communication between all

00:26:59.300 law enforcement agencies on site, right?

00:27:01.100 Yeah.

00:27:01.240 I mean, that just seems like obvious.

00:27:02.620 So, and they didn't even have a unified command post.

00:27:05.300 They had the Secret Service in one little area, and then they had the local guys over here,

00:27:09.200 and then they had, I think, one or two people who were local in the Secret Service command

00:27:13.820 post, but they didn't actually have a unified command post, which is also bonkers.

00:27:17.360 Can I ask how Crooks knew that this one cluster of buildings was the one place in the whole

00:27:30.180 area that was outside the security perimeter?

00:27:32.080 How would you know that?

00:27:33.600 So, let's define terms here.

00:27:36.400 So, security perimeter is where you can get in, where you don't have to get a pat down or

00:27:41.080 through a magnetometer.

00:27:42.060 So, that's just, like, superficially obvious.

00:27:45.700 I can walk all the way over there, and I don't have to go through a magnetometer.

00:27:49.340 And then you've got the security bubble, which is like the area that people are responsible

00:27:54.220 for, which is going to be a much broader, bigger area than just your security perimeter.

00:28:01.500 He knew because he'd been walking around there for five hours, totally unmolested.

00:28:05.860 He got a drone up, he had a rangefinder, he cased the place.

00:28:12.260 He knew it just by having walked around and been like, oh, there's no cops over there.

00:28:15.480 I'm going to go over there.

00:28:18.140 It's absolutely, it's, do we ever find out why those buildings were not under surveillance

00:28:26.820 just because it was such an obvious shooting platform?

00:28:29.040 Yeah, so this is what I find the most enraging.

00:28:35.040 This counter-sniper team lead, been deposed by a bunch of different committees, he gives

00:28:40.720 different answers in all of them.

00:28:42.600 Like, if you want, you know, failure has a lot of people to blame, and so I don't think

00:28:51.180 you can blame it on one person.

00:28:52.440 I think you can blame it on one organization, which is the Secret Service.

00:28:55.080 Utterly incompetent, from top to bottom.

00:28:56.800 Um, it's a totally rotten culture with no accountability, nothing. 0.67

00:29:02.000 So, um, and within that, you had a bunch of people who failed.

00:29:05.520 But the last link of failure, which is what allowed the guy to get a shot off, was from,

00:29:10.680 was due to this counter-sniper team lead.

00:29:13.200 He shows up, I think, four days ahead of time to do his advance.

00:29:17.020 So I think this would have been the Wednesday, which would have been July 10th.

00:29:20.240 Trump shot on a Saturday, July 13th.

00:29:22.660 He has four days on site, puts together his plan.

00:29:26.800 Kind of sketches out where he wants everyone.

00:29:29.400 He never set foot on or in that building.

00:29:34.320 Never.

00:29:37.200 Why?

00:29:39.200 This will blow your mind.

00:29:41.060 Uh, he's testifying to one congressional committee, and they're like, well,

00:29:44.840 they ask him that question.

00:29:46.040 So you never set foot over there?

00:29:47.660 Like, even the day of, when you got time to do a final walkthrough?

00:29:51.060 And he says, no, well, you see, because I had to go do a bunch of paperwork.

00:29:55.960 And I want to make sure my paperwork was good and, like, wasn't fuzzy and stuff.

00:29:59.780 Quote, you live and die by paperwork.

00:30:01.640 Oh, I thought you lived and died by bullets.

00:30:05.040 Yeah.

00:30:05.760 No, you live and die by paperwork.

00:30:08.120 He was so focused on his paperwork that he never went and actually looked around.

00:30:13.120 The other thing that's crazy.

00:30:14.280 Do you know anything about this guy, by the way?

00:30:15.900 Um, I know a little bit.

00:30:18.460 I don't know his name.

00:30:19.180 Uh, he had been with the Secret Service, I think, for six years.

00:30:25.320 No prior military experience.

00:30:27.600 Uh, no prior sharpshooter or sniper experience.

00:30:31.920 Uh, he showed up, worked for two years, because you have to work, uh, like a desk or trailing

00:30:36.920 someone for two years before you can be a counter-sniper.

00:30:39.480 And then he had been a counter-sniper for the rest of his time there.

00:30:42.520 Now, I personally find that kind of crazy.

00:30:44.260 I would think if you want someone whose job is to think what a sniper thinks like and

00:30:52.240 be able to have counter-measures and protect against that, you'd probably want a guy who

00:30:56.240 had done that job before.

00:30:59.020 Like, if you're going to have somebody teaching your basketball team how to do defense, you'd

00:31:02.760 like to know that they've made a basket before.

00:31:04.960 Of course.

00:31:05.760 Yes.

00:31:06.480 But that's not what happened here.

00:31:07.880 So, you had a guy who, no prior military experience, no prior sniper experience.

00:31:12.040 He actually wasn't a sniper.

00:31:13.540 He was a sharpshooter.

00:31:15.640 He could shoot, I'm sure he could shoot well from long range, but that, like, that doesn't

00:31:21.480 make you a sniper.

00:31:22.520 You have to know, you have to know so much.

00:31:25.240 There's recon, there's observing, there's getting into position, there's communicating,

00:31:30.100 there's recording.

00:31:30.960 Those are all the things that people who go into sniper school in the military spend weeks

00:31:35.220 and weeks doing before they ever touch a gun.

00:31:37.800 And they'll talk about, like, you can kind of teach anyone to shoot a gun.

00:31:42.000 That's the easy part.

00:31:43.040 It's mechanical.

00:31:44.760 It's learning all the other stuff.

00:31:47.360 It's like the real value in the job.

00:31:49.380 So, this guy never had that.

00:31:51.200 Just, ta-da, he's a counter sniper now.

00:31:53.960 So, he's setting up his perimeter.

00:31:55.660 He had no idea when he set the people up where he wanted them for the event.

00:32:02.280 So, you've got Trump on stage.

00:32:04.080 You've got three barns behind him.

00:32:06.620 To his, to Trump's three o'clock, which is directly north, you've got that AGR building

00:32:11.060 where the shooter was.

00:32:12.840 The sniper team set up directly behind Trump on two of the three barns behind him.

00:32:19.160 So, the ones that we've all seen in that shot were, like, you've got one guy on the tripod

00:32:23.920 who pops up and looks around.

00:32:25.780 And then you've got the other guy who's prone.

00:32:27.820 One, they never saw the shooter because there's a gigantic tree in their way.

00:32:33.220 From where they were, line of sight to where the building was where Crooks shot, gigantic

00:32:38.000 tree, blocking like a third of the building.

00:32:40.780 They never saw him.

00:32:42.920 Wow.

00:32:43.500 So, then you have the team leader and his partner, and his partner's the one who shot Crooks.

00:32:49.360 They're on the southern barn.

00:32:52.520 And so, one's on one side, one's on the other.

00:32:55.080 The counter sniper team leader, he never saw the shooter.

00:32:58.500 Shooter was dead before he ever saw him.

00:33:01.700 So, you've got one guy, basically, in that whole area who has visibility on that roof.

00:33:07.880 And you would think, oh, well, he must have been scanning that area regularly.

00:33:12.040 Well, they, Congress deposed this guy.

00:33:14.300 And he says, no, that actually wasn't my area that I was supposed to be scanning.

00:33:18.660 So, if you think of a clock, you know, 12, 12 o'clock, 3 o'clock, 6 o'clock, 9.

00:33:23.840 Trump's in the center where he's looking is 12 o'clock.

00:33:26.660 The position from which he was shot would be 3 o'clock.

00:33:30.200 The guy who actually shot him, he was actually watching from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock.

00:33:36.100 So, east, south, and west of Trump.

00:33:38.980 Yes.

00:33:39.180 He was never looking over there.

00:33:40.460 It wasn't until he heard shots that he turned over there.

00:33:43.860 So, of all the people who were tasked with doing counter sniper surveillance and mitigation, only one person ever actually saw the shooter, even though he'd been on the roof for six minutes.

00:33:55.280 So, it sounds like there was a blind spot, an entire quadrant that they weren't even looking at.

00:34:03.040 Correct.

00:34:03.460 How can that be?

00:34:04.880 Incompetence.

00:34:06.120 Incompetence, laziness, and arrogance.

00:34:07.980 And afterwards, the Secret Service, you might recall, tried to blame the local cops.

00:34:12.860 Of course.

00:34:13.380 Like, oh, they were supposed to do it.

00:34:14.760 We had them in the building.

00:34:15.580 They never told the cops, number one, that their job was to be scoping out that roof.

00:34:20.180 All of the cops from the local police forces who were there to provide sniper coverage, first off, they were never told that they were counter snipers.

00:34:30.000 They were told they were overwatch.

00:34:31.320 So, they set up in an area in the building where they had a great shot of the crowd, pretty much the entire crowd.

00:34:39.160 And they're watching it the whole time.

00:34:40.960 They had no idea that they were supposed to be looking at a building roof, which is 180 degrees to their left.

00:34:47.120 And because of how the window opened, it was like one of those, I think they call them casement windows.

00:34:51.840 They've got the crank.

00:34:52.940 So, you've got to crank it and then it slowly opens.

00:34:55.400 It's not a double sash that opens top and bottom.

00:34:58.580 I don't think they could have seen that if they had wanted to, just because of how that window opened.

00:35:04.940 They'd have to get around, like, almost leaning out the window to see, which, of course, they're not going to be doing because they think their job is crowd overwatch.

00:35:13.700 So, those guys somehow get blamed in media reports by people who are obviously secret service sources.

00:35:19.660 Well, we put them in that building.

00:35:20.880 That was their responsibility.

00:35:22.680 And all of them were like, no, that was never our responsibility.

00:35:25.960 We had no idea.

00:35:27.100 Oh, so they're local cops.

00:35:28.580 It's not their job to protect the candidate or the president.

00:35:31.080 Right, right.

00:35:31.340 Yeah, just because you, secret service, have chosen to delegate, you know, one of your responsibilities, it doesn't stop being your responsibility.

00:35:39.260 Right, it's a core responsibility.

00:35:39.980 Yeah, it's yours.

00:35:41.200 Right, yeah.

00:35:41.700 You have, like, you have literally one job.

00:35:44.300 You don't let the president get shot in the face.

00:35:46.680 Yes.

00:35:46.880 And so, they're questioning this guy, this counter-sniper team lead, and they're trying to get him to admit that things were done wrong.

00:35:55.380 And so, they're asking him, so, like, would you consider what happened a failure?

00:36:02.600 He goes, possibly.

00:36:05.360 The candidate shot in the face, and that's a possible failure?

00:36:07.820 Possibly.

00:36:08.660 And what's weird is, I thought-

00:36:09.960 Does this guy still work for the U.S. government?

00:36:11.200 He still works for the secret service.

00:36:12.720 He was put on admin leave for, like, a week.

00:36:15.800 And it was more like a mental health therapy leave.

00:36:19.160 Yeah, something traumatic happened.

00:36:20.220 Oh, like Michael Byrd, you murder someone and you're the victim?

00:36:22.720 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:23.480 Yeah.

00:36:24.320 And then he's, like, right back, working full-time for the secret service.

00:36:29.140 Now?

00:36:29.680 Now.

00:36:30.440 As far as we know.

00:36:31.620 Was anybody from secret service fired?

00:36:33.960 No, not that we know of.

00:36:36.100 So, you had Kim Cheadle, who is the head of secret service. 1.00

00:36:38.840 He's a total idiot. 1.00

00:36:39.880 I thought she was a hero. 1.00

00:36:42.160 She's a woman. 0.82

00:36:42.900 Yeah.

00:36:43.080 Well, obviously.

00:36:44.280 Yeah.

00:36:44.600 She's strong and brave.

00:36:46.340 Yeah.

00:36:46.840 So, she retires.

00:36:48.560 Then you had her deputy, who was, like, the guy who was actually in charge of the day-to-day.

00:36:53.840 He gets elevated.

00:36:55.580 Doesn't get fired.

00:36:56.580 Those are the first two people I fire.

00:36:59.320 Instantly.

00:37:00.200 Like, I find the leadership channel, like, the leadership chain, and I find everyone in it.

00:37:04.800 Like, you're all gone.

00:37:06.680 It's not personal.

00:37:07.460 You might be great people.

00:37:09.280 But, the secret service calls itself a zero-fail agency.

00:37:13.440 You clearly failed.

00:37:15.320 Yes.

00:37:16.100 And, to my knowledge, nobody's been fired.

00:37:19.720 The problem is that these are the bodyguards.

00:37:23.780 And so, you know, in the Ottoman court, everyone was afraid of the bodyguards.

00:37:30.580 Right?

00:37:31.140 So, like—

00:37:31.520 That's who runs your coup.

00:37:32.380 That's exactly.

00:37:32.920 Yeah.

00:37:33.040 We're getting to, like, the most basic facts of life, which is the armed people are in charge.

00:37:38.640 And so, you know, you hate to think that's the rule in America, but do you think it's possible that people were afraid to mess with the secret service because no one wants to mess with the bodyguards?

00:37:48.840 Well, I assume that's why we've never gotten the truth on the JFK shooting.

00:37:51.600 Like, I just kind of assume secret services was involved somehow, and that's why presidents have been cowed into not releasing it.

00:38:01.700 Interesting.

00:38:02.740 It wouldn't shock me.

00:38:04.160 Yeah.

00:38:04.220 I mean, that's like the most—you know, that's the most basic interest of anybody's not to get shot to death, so if you think—

00:38:09.060 Right, right.

00:38:09.840 Um, yeah.

00:38:13.120 And, you know, I'm speculating to some extent, but you do wonder—I always wondered, and I asked, like, if you're the Trump campaign, why don't you make a—I mean, I think or I know that Trump thinks he doesn't want to whine about being shot because you seem weak when you want.

00:38:33.160 They tried to shoot me.

00:38:34.100 You know, he downplayed it on purpose.

00:38:36.000 Um, and I think that was a—it was a manly thing to do.

00:38:39.100 It was an impressive thing to do.

00:38:40.420 There's dignity in that.

00:38:41.380 I admire it.

00:38:43.000 However, like, it is kind of important to find out what happened, and I always suspected that maybe, you know, they felt a little bit threatened because they've got a campaign.

00:38:51.460 They've got months more of campaigning to do.

00:38:53.500 They want to do outdoor venues.

00:38:54.820 Trump loves outdoor venues.

00:38:56.540 He's brave.

00:38:57.160 He's obviously physically brave.

00:38:58.100 We know that.

00:38:59.100 On the other hand, do you really want to piss off your bodyguards?

00:39:02.000 I mean, do you think that is part of the dynamic here?

00:39:06.000 I mean, how could it not be?

00:39:07.840 Well, that's how I feel.

00:39:09.100 Right.

00:39:09.280 Um, yeah, you had the people on the stage.

00:39:12.540 Uh, they didn't know anything was going on until Trump had been shot.

00:39:17.180 Like, you would think the people on the stage who are, like, the literal personal protective detail, the ones who physically form— 0.98

00:39:22.880 Oh, all the fat girls on the stage. 1.00

00:39:24.160 Is that even— 0.96

00:39:24.740 No, there was—I think there was one.

00:39:26.220 One, okay.

00:39:26.740 Yeah, but there were several men, um, on there.

00:39:31.040 Those guys are the ones who, like, physically have to go in, and I think they call it a body bunker they put around the president.

00:39:36.660 Yes.

00:39:37.000 They had no idea anything was going on or there was anything, any trouble anywhere until they hear shots fired.

00:39:42.640 And they interviewed, um, the guy who came—so if you're watching Trump and, um, you see the Secret Service agents come in, the guy on the left gets in first.

00:39:53.340 So I think the House Butler Task Force interviewed him.

00:39:56.900 And they said, okay, take us through what was going on in your head in that moment.

00:40:02.740 He's like, well, yeah, we heard some scuttlebutt that local police were looking at something at 3 o'clock, like, to Trump's right.

00:40:10.520 That was it.

00:40:11.680 He said, and then I heard, like, a pop.

00:40:14.840 Like, uh, and he said, my immediate thought was it sounded like one of those pop-it firecrackers just thrown on the ground.

00:40:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:21.900 It always does.

00:40:22.540 Yeah, and he said, so that's, that's what I thought it was.

00:40:25.980 So I thought it was a heckler in the crowd.

00:40:27.780 There must have been, like, a heckler who got the pop-its in the crowd.

00:40:30.780 And then I hear the second shot.

00:40:33.380 And I'm waiting to hear in my ear, heckler.

00:40:37.960 He said, and then I heard the third.

00:40:39.660 And that's when I knew—and by the way, he's hearing nothing in his ears at this point, getting no communication.

00:40:45.820 He said, that's the point at which I go and jump on the president.

00:40:48.440 We hear him kind of going over us.

00:40:53.060 Yeah.

00:40:53.460 I was in a restaurant the other night, in fact, this weekend, and I had a little trouble hearing what people were saying.

00:40:59.680 And I thought to myself, I'm a little young to go deaf.

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00:41:03.460 Well, because I grew up shooting, bird hunting, target shooting.

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00:43:27.180 Um, that's, so of the eight shots, like where did they go, those eight shots?

00:43:31.280 I think they were only able to find actual bullet fragments from two.

00:43:40.480 So there were actually, there were 10 shots fired total.

00:43:45.160 There were eight from Crooks.

00:43:47.260 There was one from a local law enforcement officer who shot almost simultaneously with Crooks' eighth shot.

00:43:54.540 So you have one, two, three, you had a burst of three, then you had a burst of five, and then the five like all went high.

00:44:02.500 One of them hit a hydraulic line on one of those like telehandlers or lulls or cranes behind it.

00:44:06.820 So it starts spewing hydraulic fluid everywhere and you see it drop all of a sudden after the hydraulic line gets punctured if you watch the video again.

00:44:13.940 So I think that was from that second group.

00:44:17.260 So it was three and then five.

00:44:19.340 As Crooks fired his eighth shot, a local officer fires his gun at Crooks.

00:44:26.280 He swears he got him.

00:44:29.420 There's no like forensic medical evidence that he did, but there's no firing from Crooks after that point, after that eighth shot.

00:44:37.240 And then 15 seconds later comes the shot that kills Crooks.

00:44:42.780 No way.

00:44:43.940 15 seconds.

00:44:45.680 And the reason that happened was because nobody had eyes on the roof.

00:44:49.280 So you had your sniper.

00:44:51.140 15 seconds?

00:44:52.560 Yep.

00:44:53.500 So that's an entire magazine worth of, I mean, you could fire an entire magazine.

00:44:57.480 Oh, easy.

00:44:58.100 With an AR, you could easily unload a mag.

00:45:02.340 Wow, that is crazy town.

00:45:05.100 Yeah, so you have the sniper who's on the roof who takes the shot.

00:45:09.720 He's been watching.

00:45:10.740 So like if you are Crooks, if you're where the shooter is and I'm where Trump is, the guy who shot him is looking here and all the way over here the whole time.

00:45:20.000 He's looking to his left and back around. 0.77

00:45:22.340 Yes.

00:45:22.500 So he hears the shots.

00:45:24.100 He has to get up, orient himself to where the shots are coming from, where if he's got like earmuffs on or ear protection on, that can be kind of hard to do.

00:45:32.620 Because those play tricks with locating sound.

00:45:37.300 Oh, yeah.

00:45:37.700 So he's got to locate the guy where the shots are coming from, has to make identification of the guy who's got the gun, and then has to fire at him.

00:45:49.380 So like I don't even blame that guy because he was told to watch this sector.

00:45:55.000 He's watching it.

00:45:55.680 But yeah, 15 seconds.

00:45:59.080 And he fires one shot.

00:46:00.040 Who is it?

00:46:01.060 With a .308?

00:46:02.640 300 Win Mag.

00:46:03.860 Wow.

00:46:04.640 That's a big boy gun.

00:46:06.720 That's a scary gun.

00:46:07.640 So it's 300 Win Mag.

00:46:09.240 Really?

00:46:09.820 Is that what they use?

00:46:10.480 Yeah.

00:46:10.880 Black Hills ammunition.

00:46:12.100 So the cartridge was Black Hills.

00:46:13.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:13.800 It was a 210 grain hollow point.

00:46:17.220 Oh, my God.

00:46:18.080 Tip on it.

00:46:19.160 So.

00:46:19.880 That ends the conversation.

00:46:20.620 So that's for people who don't shoot, that's so much larger than the .223 or .556 round that Crooks is shooting.

00:46:26.460 I mean, it's just.

00:46:27.020 Well, and the cartridge is huge.

00:46:29.400 Yeah, it's like four bucks a cartridge.

00:46:30.920 I mean, it's like, it's a big, it's a big boy cartridge.

00:46:34.260 And when you fire a .300 Win Mag, like you feel that.

00:46:38.240 You get fatigued pretty quick.

00:46:39.420 I had someone come to my range, just at my house, and with his grandfather's .300 Win Mag, we were just shooting on Sunday afternoon.

00:46:46.120 And he just charges the thing.

00:46:47.340 And I was like, man, no more of that.

00:46:48.800 That's too loud.

00:46:49.620 It's so, it's so loud.

00:46:50.980 It shakes my molars.

00:46:52.160 Yeah.

00:46:52.380 You go to a range where someone's shooting like .300 or something, you're like, oh.

00:46:56.320 It's impolite.

00:46:57.020 I don't know.

00:46:58.080 Put a suppressor on it.

00:46:59.320 No, I totally agree.

00:47:00.420 Wow, that's.

00:47:01.400 That's.

00:47:01.720 Yeah, and 210 grain.

00:47:03.260 That's a big.

00:47:04.300 Yes. 0.88

00:47:04.540 That's a big bullet. 0.59

00:47:05.240 Yes. 0.72

00:47:05.900 And so I think he hits him from 155 yards.

00:47:08.660 And it hit him in the lip, goes through the face, out the neck, but then back into his back.

00:47:16.340 And they recovered a fragment of the mushroomed bullet from Crooks's body.

00:47:22.960 Well, he didn't suffer.

00:47:24.820 Not with a 210 grain from a .300 Win Mag.

00:47:28.800 Yeah.

00:47:28.960 Um, wow.

00:47:30.780 So tell me about the cop who says he shot Crooks.

00:47:33.920 Where was he?

00:47:35.140 He was.

00:47:35.980 So there was this furious action going on by the AGR building.

00:47:39.820 I believe there were five.

00:47:41.480 Either four or five different local law enforcement agencies.

00:47:46.760 So you had the Pennsylvania State Police.

00:47:48.940 You had the troopers.

00:47:50.360 You had Butler County Police.

00:47:53.320 So Butler County was the county where Butler is.

00:47:55.640 You had the Butler Township Police.

00:47:58.680 Yes.

00:47:58.860 You had the Beaver County, I think, sheriffs.

00:48:02.520 So they're one county west of Butler.

00:48:04.680 And then you had the Washington County, which is southwest of Butler.

00:48:09.640 So you had five different local law enforcement.

00:48:12.060 The Washington guys, I believe, were down by the horse ring.

00:48:16.080 Yeah.

00:48:16.660 Um, which is probably a good four to 500 yards away from everything.

00:48:20.440 But they had fairly good visual coverage of everything.

00:48:23.980 So it was mostly the Butler and Beaver County people.

00:48:28.160 So they're furiously searching around.

00:48:30.200 And you've got one guy who tried to climb on the roof because they're furiously searching.

00:48:35.580 He climbs on the roof.

00:48:37.380 He's got his partner hoists him up.

00:48:40.380 So he's kind of holding on like this to the roof, looks up and sees the shooter right there.

00:48:46.240 He says the shooter turns on him and aims him.

00:48:49.680 And he said, I don't know what happened next.

00:48:52.140 I don't know if I lost my grip.

00:48:54.120 He said, next thing I know, I'm on the ground.

00:48:56.480 I'm on the concrete.

00:48:57.080 He said, there's no way for me to pull my gun because I'm, he's like hanging, like doing a pull up.

00:49:02.580 It's like, I'm hanging there.

00:49:03.920 I'm not going to be able to like, no.

00:49:06.260 So he says, I don't, I don't remember exactly what happened.

00:49:08.840 All I know is I saw him.

00:49:10.740 Crooks turned and aimed his rifle at me.

00:49:12.400 And the next thing I know, I'm getting myself up off the concrete. 1.00

00:49:16.620 Damn. 0.99

00:49:17.560 So who is the cop who says he shot Crooks? 1.00

00:49:20.180 I think it was a Beaver County cop.

00:49:22.520 At, at some distance though.

00:49:24.260 Um, yeah, I mean not, he wasn't right on him, but he had him in his sights, fired one round.

00:49:30.700 With a rifle.

00:49:31.180 With a rifle. 0.92

00:49:32.100 Swears he shot him.

00:49:34.120 But there's no evidence that he did.

00:49:35.760 There, there's no forensic evidence in Crooks's body that he was shot.

00:49:40.000 But Crooks stopped firing after the eighth round, which was simultaneous with the round from that cop.

00:49:45.960 So, uh, did he hit the gun maybe?

00:49:52.140 There's some speculation that he might have hit the stock.

00:49:55.440 Well, it sounds like he stopped the shooting.

00:49:57.380 He absolutely did.

00:49:58.580 Whether he hit him or not, he absolutely did.

00:50:00.160 So a magazine has obviously more than eight rounds in it.

00:50:02.900 Um, and I assume Crooks's did as well.

00:50:05.500 He had unfired rounds in the, in the mag when he was, when the rifle was recovered, right?

00:50:11.020 They recovered, I think, all eight shell casings.

00:50:13.820 No, but he still had ammunition in the magazine.

00:50:16.240 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:17.160 Right.

00:50:17.680 So, what I'm asking is, it sounds like the local cop stopped the shooting.

00:50:21.480 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:21.760 He didn't run out, he didn't stop shooting because he ran out of ammo.

00:50:24.260 Exactly.

00:50:24.540 Correct.

00:50:25.440 So, it was not the Secret Service that stopped this assassination attempt.

00:50:29.980 It was local cops.

00:50:32.220 I mean.

00:50:32.540 Yeah, that's when the shooting stopped.

00:50:33.960 Yeah.

00:50:34.180 It stopped permanently when he got a 210 grain Hornady tip through his upper lip.

00:50:39.500 Yeah.

00:50:39.720 But the shooting had been stopped prior to that.

00:50:43.340 Wow.

00:50:44.800 What, 15 seconds, as noted, is a very long time.

00:50:48.580 That's.

00:50:49.000 What, what, why?

00:50:50.940 Because they had no eyes on him.

00:50:52.160 You had your two snipers on the roof in the North Barn, and that was the number two unit,

00:50:58.240 how they were kind of categorized in all the documents.

00:51:02.660 They never saw him because they had a gigantic tree in their way.

00:51:06.280 It was impossible.

00:51:07.300 And so, it's interesting.

00:51:08.900 We all watched that footage.

00:51:10.820 Everyone's wondering who got him.

00:51:12.380 So, they see the guy who's kind of kneeled, kneeling down.

00:51:16.060 He's on the big tripod.

00:51:17.100 People automatically assumed, oh, well, he did it.

00:51:20.360 And then he's got the guy prone next to him.

00:51:22.040 No, well, he must have been the one to do it.

00:51:23.760 You see him, like, he's either looking through, I think, his binoculars.

00:51:27.000 He might have been looking through his scope.

00:51:28.860 He hears the gunshots, and he pops up.

00:51:32.060 Do you remember this in the video?

00:51:33.120 Yeah.

00:51:33.260 He pops up, and he kind of looks around, and you're like, why is he off the glass?

00:51:36.240 That's weird.

00:51:37.660 He doesn't know where it came from.

00:51:41.240 Like, those two guys on that North Barn are furiously looking where it is.

00:51:45.660 There's no way you could know.

00:51:47.240 I mean, it would be impossible to know.

00:51:49.260 Yeah.

00:51:49.620 Unless you were looking, had someone looking there.

00:51:51.620 Exactly, which they didn't.

00:51:52.960 And then you have the counter-sniper team lead who had convinced himself that because they had local cops in the building, that that was their job to be watching that, even though it was physically impossible for them to do.

00:52:06.820 And they were never told they had to do that.

00:52:09.140 And then the one guy who had a sight line to that was assigned a sector that was the exact opposite of it.

00:52:17.440 How, like, that's a lot of incompetence.

00:52:21.560 It's unbelievable.

00:52:22.140 So, three people were shot, two in addition to President Trump.

00:52:25.240 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:25.500 That was your question.

00:52:26.260 Sorry, I got sidetracked.

00:52:27.340 So, you said, where did the bullets go?

00:52:28.600 Yeah.

00:52:28.900 So, three people were shot.

00:52:30.880 Corey Comparator, the firefighter, he was shot.

00:52:33.760 Two other men were shot.

00:52:36.160 We know-

00:52:37.280 Two other men?

00:52:38.220 Yes.

00:52:38.940 There were four people shot.

00:52:40.780 Trump, two men who were shot and didn't die, and Corey, who was killed by a bullet.

00:52:48.680 Yeah, right next to my producer, like, right next to him.

00:52:52.580 Which is wild.

00:52:55.660 Yeah, it was right there.

00:52:56.560 He said he was covered in blood.

00:52:58.380 Wow.

00:52:59.060 From it.

00:52:59.560 Yeah, I'm only saying that because there's a lot of drama.

00:53:02.560 Yeah.

00:53:02.700 It's not just Trump getting shot in the face.

00:53:04.980 Yeah, a man died.

00:53:06.040 Yeah.

00:53:06.660 He was murdered.

00:53:07.560 Yeah.

00:53:07.740 And two others were shot.

00:53:08.800 Do we know anything about them or how they fared?

00:53:11.920 They're alive and well.

00:53:14.600 There was an interview with them by one of the networks a couple weeks ago, but they're

00:53:19.040 alive and well, and they're talking about it.

00:53:21.520 Obviously, they'll carry scars with it forever.

00:53:24.940 But I don't believe they were permanently disabled in any way. 0.99

00:53:28.800 Damn. 0.99

00:53:29.660 But they couldn't account for all the bullets. 1.00

00:53:31.520 Yeah.

00:53:31.780 Which makes sense.

00:53:33.000 You know, something nicks a bleacher and goes off into the ground, you're never finding a

00:53:37.300 bullet.

00:53:37.440 These are .22 caliber bullets, just to be clear.

00:53:39.860 Yep.

00:53:40.200 So, they were .223 caliber bullets in a .556 cartridge.

00:53:46.200 Right.

00:53:46.560 Yeah.

00:53:47.140 But the bullet itself is .22 caliber.

00:53:49.400 Yep.

00:53:50.660 These are tiny.

00:53:51.580 Tiny.

00:53:51.820 Very small.

00:53:52.540 Yeah.

00:53:52.660 People who don't shoot guns and think ARs are massive, big, powerful guns, they'd be

00:53:57.620 shocked at how tiny .223 rounds are.

00:54:00.560 Right.

00:54:00.640 The point is the velocity.

00:54:01.660 Exactly.

00:54:02.220 How fast they're going.

00:54:03.880 But it's not a .210 grain Hornady tip .300.

00:54:07.240 Right.

00:54:07.900 Right.

00:54:08.800 Which you could not mistake for anything but like a bullet.

00:54:11.700 Right.

00:54:12.300 Yeah.

00:54:13.200 So, wow.

00:54:15.500 Okay.

00:54:16.580 So, we know nothing about the shooter.

00:54:19.180 We know nothing about why he did this, his beliefs, who he spoke to.

00:54:23.860 He's just, we know nothing about him.

00:54:25.080 He's a cipher.

00:54:25.760 No, literally nothing.

00:54:26.780 He's the only 20-year-old with no social media presence.

00:54:30.560 And apparently no cutlery, silverware in his house.

00:54:34.180 So, yeah, I remember that news report.

00:54:36.860 You just told me that.

00:54:38.020 So, it was reported that afterwards.

00:54:41.280 I don't, my theory is that silverware was taken as evidence because he was mixing bombs 0.51

00:54:49.500 in his house.

00:54:50.840 Oh.

00:54:51.080 I did not read anywhere that when officers showed up, because they interviewed one ATF

00:54:57.080 agent who was actually in the home and who was the one who discovered the IED in Crooks'

00:55:02.480 bedroom.

00:55:03.640 No mention of no silverware.

00:55:05.080 He's like, no, it's a normal house.

00:55:06.420 It was well-kept.

00:55:07.220 It was clean.

00:55:07.900 It's not like a bunch of sloppy, sloppy hoarders lived there.

00:55:12.000 It was like a nice normal house in order.

00:55:14.540 Um, yeah.

00:55:17.220 So, I don't know where the silverware, because I've heard the same thing.

00:55:20.440 I've not read a single report from someone who was there that says, yeah, we got in there

00:55:24.860 and there's no silverware.

00:55:26.500 I suspect that they took it to test it forensically to see if he was mixing bombs with it.

00:55:31.680 Because he had a gallon of nitromethane in his closet.

00:55:36.160 It was openly viewable.

00:55:38.280 What, I, pardon me, Angers, what's nitromethane?

00:55:40.020 It, it, it's, uh, a major component of bomb making.

00:55:44.320 Huh.

00:55:44.460 Um, it's liquid, has an odor.

00:55:46.840 Can you, can you buy it?

00:55:48.340 Yeah.

00:55:48.500 At a hardware store?

00:55:49.240 Yeah.

00:55:49.940 Totally buy it off the shelf.

00:55:52.840 Huh.

00:55:53.400 Nitromethane.

00:55:54.460 Yeah, so he had a gallon of it.

00:55:55.620 And so the, the ATF guy walks in, sees the bomb, looks around, sees in his closet this

00:56:03.180 gallon of explosive material.

00:56:05.160 And then at that point, they immediately clear the whole house.

00:56:10.040 And I believe all the houses, one house around it.

00:56:15.420 Wow.

00:56:16.820 But that, but, but we still don't know anything about him or why he did this.

00:56:20.520 We also don't know why, according to your account, why the Secret Service made this like

00:56:26.320 colossal error in judgment and just like left out an entire quadrant of a potential field

00:56:32.760 of fire, just kind of ignored it.

00:56:34.180 We don't know why.

00:56:35.200 No.

00:56:35.640 No.

00:56:36.220 But we do know.

00:56:37.040 They'll blame it on manpower.

00:56:39.100 That, that's, that's always the easy bureaucratic solution.

00:56:42.120 But even that, is it true that, um, Dr. Jill Biden, America's, I think most famous research

00:56:48.840 scientist.

00:56:49.220 What did Whoopi say?

00:56:49.260 Amazing doctor.

00:56:50.320 Amazing doctor.

00:56:52.400 She should be Surgeon General.

00:56:53.460 Um, but is it true that she was having an event and that that bled off like manpower that

00:57:01.160 could have been used at the Trump event?

00:57:02.200 Yes.

00:57:02.460 One, it didn't just bleed off manpower.

00:57:04.500 So she had an event in Pittsburgh.

00:57:06.200 Um, there was bleed off in the radios.

00:57:07.960 So the Secret Service at the Butler event for Trump was actually having issues with their

00:57:12.180 radios because they were getting bleed over from the radios, from the agents at Jill Biden's

00:57:17.760 event.

00:57:18.760 Dr. Jill.

00:57:19.700 Dr. Jill.

00:57:20.240 Excuse me.

00:57:20.980 Excuse me, Dr. Jill.

00:57:21.960 So, that's incredible.

00:57:26.400 Um, and okay, so that's a whole lot of we don't knows.

00:57:30.180 Like, um, so your third question was what happened after to everybody?

00:57:35.040 Yep.

00:57:35.280 Nothing.

00:57:36.160 Nothing.

00:57:36.660 Yeah.

00:57:36.960 Sorry to break the suspense there, but like nothing.

00:57:42.080 Okay.

00:57:43.280 So what do you think this adds up to?

00:57:45.580 You said you were vacillating between two and three.

00:57:47.460 Can you remind us what this is?

00:57:48.380 So two was what I call strategic incompetence where, where Trump was deliberately left vulnerable.

00:57:55.140 And, and I think that for a whole host of reasons, one that I'm conscious and I've been

00:57:59.780 alive, but right after the shooting, um, my, my wife and I were together working on home

00:58:06.740 projects and we got, we hadn't been paying attention to our phones and so started getting

00:58:11.040 texts from people.

00:58:11.860 My wife got a text from her friend, Trump's been shot.

00:58:14.960 Like, we're just kind of like stunned, like immediately pray because we don't know what

00:58:21.220 the result is.

00:58:22.960 A couple of minutes later, fun, you know, texts that he's okay.

00:58:26.480 And then right after that, my phone starts going crazy.

00:58:30.500 I'm getting texts and everything.

00:58:32.100 And one of the most interesting texts I got, which, which I, uh, tweeted about was that the

00:58:39.040 secret service special operations division, which is kind of like the elite division within

00:58:42.900 the secret service, if you can say that, uh, they had been asking for more protection for

00:58:49.260 years for Trump repeatedly over and over and again.

00:58:53.540 And it was denied repeatedly denied so much that they just stopped asking for it because

00:58:59.340 it was kind of viewed as if you ask for something you, you're not going to get, it's like gauche

00:59:02.720 within the agency.

00:59:04.500 Denied by whom?

00:59:05.460 Um, another great question we don't have an answer to.

00:59:09.860 Hmm.

00:59:10.380 So it's secret service is now under the umbrella of DHS.

00:59:13.260 Yeah.

00:59:13.380 It was always under treasury.

00:59:14.540 Yeah, it was.

00:59:15.060 And then they moved it, I don't know, five, 10 years ago.

00:59:17.500 Yeah.

00:59:17.840 So under Mayorkas, like a real, real competent public servant there.

00:59:22.580 Patriot.

00:59:22.880 Yeah.

00:59:23.040 Yeah.

00:59:23.380 So you've got him.

00:59:24.660 It did the rejections come from DHS.

00:59:26.840 I don't know.

00:59:28.120 You've got Cheetal up there. 1.00

00:59:29.380 Who's an idiot. 1.00

00:59:30.320 Did it come from her? 1.00

00:59:31.600 I don't know.

00:59:32.100 Where did she go when she retired, by the way?

00:59:33.940 I don't think we know.

00:59:35.460 Actually, no, I'm going to assume she's doing security for like a Fortune 500 CEO.

00:59:39.140 Yeah, exactly.

00:59:39.800 Or a University of California school, you know.

00:59:42.960 But no, we don't know where she is now.

00:59:44.700 Yeah.

00:59:46.520 Um, so, but we, it's not clear why they denied or who denied.

00:59:50.920 Nope.

00:59:51.220 Don't know why, who, how often.

00:59:53.980 And that weekend, so I put that out.

00:59:55.800 It gets some traction.

00:59:57.380 Secret service spokesman, Anthony Guglielmi, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right.

01:00:02.400 Something like that.

01:00:03.280 And spent the whole weekend calling reporters and telling him I was making it up.

01:00:07.040 That never happened.

01:00:09.200 But it's had a statement that's not true.

01:00:10.680 He's never denied anything.

01:00:13.140 Bobby Kennedy was denied secret service protection.

01:00:16.100 You know, they didn't want to run against him.

01:00:17.860 They'd rather he'd be dead.

01:00:19.560 Clearly.

01:00:20.280 Yeah, of course.

01:00:20.900 Yeah.

01:00:21.020 Of course.

01:00:22.000 And, um, but that's such sinister behavior.

01:00:24.320 I mean, that's a kind of attempted murder, really.

01:00:26.680 So, I just don't understand how, I mean, disobedience to the regime is punished immediately.

01:00:33.580 Tax evasion is punished immediately.

01:00:35.780 But, like, attempted murder is not.

01:00:37.800 Well, you're asking who's Thomas Crooks.

01:00:39.680 We know more about Joe the Plumber.

01:00:41.440 You remember Joe the Plumber?

01:00:42.420 Very well.

01:00:42.680 He died, unfortunately.

01:00:43.460 He did.

01:00:43.720 I knew him.

01:00:44.360 Yeah.

01:00:44.720 He asked a question about taxes to Obama, like, in a rope line.

01:00:48.240 Yeah.

01:00:49.060 They gave that dude, like, the media digital colonoscopy within, like, five minutes.

01:00:54.820 We know more about a guy who asked Obama a question about taxes than we do about a guy who shot Trump in the head.

01:01:00.080 Well, of course.

01:01:00.860 The media really are a player in all this.

01:01:03.540 They're not just, like, dupes.

01:01:05.320 They're not just, you know, the PR office for the regime.

01:01:10.740 They are, like, players.

01:01:11.820 They are players.

01:01:12.660 They're active participants.

01:01:14.900 In, you know, totalitarianism, I would say.

01:01:18.000 Do you know how Crooks' father found out his son was the shooter?

01:01:21.600 No.

01:01:22.240 CNN called him.

01:01:24.820 Really?

01:01:25.400 Yeah.

01:01:25.700 Well, we're talking about kind of, like, weird, creepy media stuff.

01:01:28.580 Yeah.

01:01:29.000 So, there's no ID on Thomas Crooks.

01:01:32.360 They get to the body.

01:01:33.260 He's dead.

01:01:33.780 They don't know who he is.

01:01:35.240 The only thing they have is a serial number on his rifle.

01:01:38.980 So, they call up ATF, and they do what's called an urgent trace to figure out where was this gun bot.

01:01:44.160 And I think it takes them.

01:01:45.420 Dettelbach, the ATF director, says it took him 30 minutes.

01:01:47.980 I think it took, like, two hours.

01:01:49.700 But they know by around, like, 8.30, definitely by 9-ish, that the dad bought the gun and where he bought it from.

01:01:57.740 And it was from a retailer that had since been closed.

01:02:01.320 They put together a report, like, a pretty narrow distribution of people.

01:02:06.600 I think it went to Pennsylvania State Police so local police could go stake the place out.

01:02:11.360 Went to FBI.

01:02:12.620 ATF had it.

01:02:13.300 But it's a very, very small distribution.

01:02:15.580 And we know because we got the testimony from the guy who sent it out.

01:02:20.000 ATF and a couple cops are sent to go do a stakeout on Crooks' father's house.

01:02:27.060 So, they get there.

01:02:28.240 We'll call it, like, 10 or 10.30.

01:02:29.760 At that point, they're already seeing cars slowly drive by in ways that, obviously, they don't live on that street.

01:02:39.600 And I think 10.56, they get a word from a dispatcher that Crooks' father has called 911 to report his son missing.

01:02:49.620 At that point, they're no longer doing a stakeout.

01:02:53.980 They have to go confront him because, obviously, he knows something.

01:02:57.740 They go up to his door.

01:02:59.320 He meets them out there.

01:03:00.860 And he says, is it true?

01:03:02.420 Was it my son?

01:03:03.880 And they ask him, why would you say that?

01:03:05.900 He said, CNN called me and told me.

01:03:08.280 He got two calls from CNN and a call from an NBC producer.

01:03:13.580 That does not make sense at all.

01:03:15.260 How could that happen?

01:03:16.340 Somebody leaked it.

01:03:17.600 But how would someone know who he was?

01:03:19.900 They had it from the ATF report that had the trace of the serial number.

01:03:25.100 So, somebody, yeah, the ATF report.

01:03:27.200 Somebody had that and decided, you know what I'm going to do?

01:03:29.440 I'm going to call CNN and NBC.

01:03:32.080 They don't know who did it.

01:03:33.440 But it's interesting that they would know it was the son because it was the father on the ATF record.

01:03:37.580 He's the one who purchased the rifle.

01:03:38.560 Right.

01:03:39.860 But somehow, CNN and NBC knew that it was not the father but the son.

01:03:43.100 Well, because at that point, did we know the age of the person?

01:03:47.280 I don't think we knew any.

01:03:48.040 Yeah.

01:03:48.760 So, yeah, CNN called me and told me.

01:03:50.960 And when I found that out, by the way, I'm still angry about the whole Roger Stone raid.

01:03:56.780 I am just thinking that exact thing.

01:03:58.420 That's so funny.

01:03:59.100 CNN happened to be there that morning right before the cops got there. 0.99

01:04:03.080 Liars. 1.00

01:04:03.400 They are liars. 1.00

01:04:04.540 They are liars. 1.00

01:04:05.200 They absolutely had it leaked to them. 0.99

01:04:06.620 Oh, I know.

01:04:06.980 And so I saw that and it just instantly reminded me of the Roger Stone thing and then made me angry again.

01:04:12.460 I was just thinking that.

01:04:13.400 To be active participants in the repression of a population by its government is like pretty – it's like capo behavior.

01:04:19.480 It's like really, really dark and evil.

01:04:21.640 And that's who they are.

01:04:25.160 I spent 10 years there, I know.

01:04:26.600 Yep.

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01:05:59.920 I didn't fully know when I was there, but like, yeah, no, they're not observers at all.

01:06:08.900 They're players.

01:06:09.420 They're players.

01:06:10.220 And they're big players.

01:06:12.260 That's why they hate the internet so much.

01:06:15.260 But, you know, that leak, it materially changed how the police responded.

01:06:20.400 You know, they found bombs.

01:06:22.480 They're trying to get a perimeter.

01:06:24.440 They're trying to keep an eye on things.

01:06:26.360 They're waiting to get the signal to actually go confront the family.

01:06:31.240 And because this guy got, I'm convinced that he called police after being called by CNN.

01:06:36.760 Yeah.

01:06:37.800 It's not in the report, but like, you'll never convince me otherwise.

01:06:41.480 Materially changed how the cops had to approach the home of the shooter.

01:06:45.500 That, to me, it's just unconscionable.

01:06:49.340 Yeah.

01:06:49.740 That's not surprising.

01:06:50.960 And then let's imagine you're seeing anything, you got this great scoop.

01:06:53.940 What are you getting out of informing a father of that?

01:06:58.160 Because they didn't report it.

01:07:00.480 Right.

01:07:00.720 Well, they do a lot that they don't report.

01:07:02.200 Yeah.

01:07:02.400 A lot.

01:07:03.640 Including in the Roger Stone raid.

01:07:05.080 I mean, they were participants in political repression, cheerleaders for it.

01:07:09.780 But not just cheerleaders.

01:07:10.880 They were like part of the process.

01:07:12.720 Yep.

01:07:13.480 They were used by the Biden administration to, well, that was actually the Trump administration.

01:07:18.820 I think that was the Trump FBI still.

01:07:20.580 Although it's all the same.

01:07:22.380 Right.

01:07:22.580 It's just crazy that that could have happened.

01:07:25.240 The lack of control over the federal agencies by the executive, by the White House.

01:07:29.140 It's like, I hope we never see that again.

01:07:30.980 Because that's really dark.

01:07:32.760 But anyway.

01:07:33.820 Yeah.

01:07:34.340 No, CNN.

01:07:35.060 Very, very bad.

01:07:39.080 Is there, I know I've asked the same question 15 times, but I just, I can't believe there's no real answer.

01:07:44.660 We don't know anything about who Crooks talked to?

01:07:47.920 No.

01:07:48.560 Before this?

01:07:49.240 Nothing.

01:07:49.880 Nope.

01:07:50.440 Don't know who he was texting.

01:07:51.520 Don't know what was going on on these encrypted apps.

01:07:54.920 We know he went to the range that day.

01:07:57.880 But why not?

01:07:58.400 Why doesn't the Congress issue subpoenas to find out?

01:08:01.660 Because they're completely weak and neutered. 0.99

01:08:04.500 I mean, my view is Congress is by far the most powerful branch.

01:08:08.720 Of course.

01:08:09.140 It controls the purse.

01:08:10.020 It's designed to be.

01:08:10.960 Exactly.

01:08:11.340 And yet, in practice today, in 2025, it's far and away the weakest.

01:08:18.680 Except when they do the one thing that they do do, which is to preserve the total control over the United States by the national security state.

01:08:26.860 And so, you're seeing this right now where, you know, committee chairmen in the Congress are saying to the incoming administration, no, no, no.

01:08:35.180 It has to be all deep staters.

01:08:36.860 Like, you can't have Tulsi Gabbard or anyone like Tulsi Gabbard.

01:08:40.580 It's all got to be, you know, John Ratcliffe or someone, you know, we know and who's obviously under our control.

01:08:46.460 And they're insistent on that, exercising that power, which I find really interesting.

01:08:51.180 Yeah, and how long, you know, I was so naive.

01:08:54.480 Like, I believed that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq because they told us there were.

01:08:58.800 Like, why would they lie? 0.97

01:09:00.840 So, it didn't dawn on me that they were all just corrupt liars until really the Russiagate hoax. 0.51

01:09:05.700 But it didn't start in 2001. 0.63

01:09:08.400 Like, I feel like it's been that way for like 70 years.

01:09:14.500 Well, it's certainly been that way.

01:09:16.360 I mean, like, we know for a fact it's been that way since right around late November of 1963.

01:09:21.880 Like, we just know that.

01:09:23.440 So, but I agree.

01:09:24.840 I mean, I just think it goes back to, you know, the Second World War.

01:09:29.100 Yeah, because they didn't, their first crime was not killing Kennedy.

01:09:34.580 Like, that wasn't like dipping their toes in the water.

01:09:36.720 No, no.

01:09:39.200 They had some practice rounds.

01:09:40.960 It's just interesting that this seems like one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you.

01:09:46.280 And I do think you're probably the most informed person in all media, though.

01:09:51.140 I don't know if you'd admit to being in media.

01:09:52.460 But do you think of yourself as in media?

01:09:55.160 Well, I don't like to use the J word.

01:09:56.900 I know. 0.84

01:09:58.120 It's filthy.

01:09:59.140 I know.

01:09:59.780 So, it's funny.

01:10:01.480 You and Schellenberger are two of my favorite, right at the top of my favorite journalist list.

01:10:06.420 And neither one of you, like, started out to do, intending to do this or have like, you know, went to journalism school.

01:10:12.540 You're both doing completely different things.

01:10:15.340 It's interesting.

01:10:16.440 That's actually how it should be.

01:10:17.460 I totally agree.

01:10:18.000 That's actually how it used to be.

01:10:19.580 I know.

01:10:19.860 It used to be a blue-collar job and you'd work a beat and now you have to go to Medill or Columbia and it's just embarrassing.

01:10:26.580 No, it's interesting.

01:10:27.300 The journalists I respect more are all people who could be doing something else, making a lot more money, who didn't set out to do this.

01:10:32.840 Just sort of out of curiosity and patriotism and, you know, kind of like moral responsibility are doing it.

01:10:40.200 So, and you're in that category.

01:10:41.260 So, thank you.

01:10:42.020 But anyway, the reason I want to talk to you was it felt like if you can do something as obvious as set up a shooting of Donald Trump in the summer of an election year and get away with it, like, then you're still in control of everything.

01:10:56.680 So, the craziest thing, and people in Trump's circle have told me there's no chance it could have happened this way.

01:11:05.180 They swear there's no way it happened this way.

01:11:08.860 Do you remember JD's Rogan interview?

01:11:12.620 Yes.

01:11:12.780 He's kind of talking about when he was, his process of interviewing to be VP and all that.

01:11:18.100 And Trump was considering bringing him up at that Butler rally and announcing him.

01:11:23.820 I know.

01:11:25.320 Yeah, I know.

01:11:26.080 That was, not just considering, but that was, that was like a much discussed.

01:11:30.320 Oh, yeah.

01:11:30.980 So, so kind of at that point, JD's been told, like, you're it.

01:11:35.040 And now we know with Trump, like, it's never actually done until it's done.

01:11:39.200 So, it wasn't technically done.

01:11:40.620 It was done Monday afternoon, though.

01:11:41.860 That was Saturday.

01:11:42.860 Yeah.

01:11:43.080 Yes.

01:11:43.940 But JD's been told they're, they're mulling the idea of him going to Butler.

01:11:47.720 And then Trump's like, no, we don't really want to do that.

01:11:49.640 We haven't done the prep and all that.

01:11:51.800 So, we'll just put a, you know, put a pin in that.

01:11:54.280 And that was the last rally before he had announced a VP.

01:12:00.380 So, that's, if you are a crooked, evil deep stater and you want to get rid of the virus that is Donald Trump and make sure that he doesn't get to pick the person who would be running in his stead if something happened. 0.81

01:12:14.540 Make sure he doesn't get to reproduce. 0.96

01:12:15.440 That's, that's, that's when you would do it.

01:12:18.820 And so, I've asked, I said, did anyone leak that?

01:12:22.320 He said, no, impossible.

01:12:24.220 No one leaked it.

01:12:24.940 And I said, okay, I 100% believe, like, kind of just knowing who's around that, 100% believe that.

01:12:30.360 You're telling me it's impossible that nobody heard the conversation through other means?

01:12:37.340 Leaked the fact that JD was going to speak at that rally?

01:12:39.940 Or, or leaked that, like, he had basically been picked.

01:12:43.440 Oh, no, that was known.

01:12:45.200 Well, I knew that.

01:12:45.820 Okay, I didn't know that.

01:12:46.680 Yeah, I did.

01:12:47.380 We're in different circles, Tucker.

01:12:48.880 No, not really.

01:12:49.460 I mean, I'm, like, living in some weird rural place, but, um, in Maine.

01:12:52.520 But, no, I knew that.

01:12:54.280 Absolutely.

01:12:54.740 And a lot of people knew that.

01:12:56.240 I mean, all the people I know who knew that are good people who love Trump.

01:12:59.600 But, I mean, I'm not suggesting, I'm not suggesting anything.

01:13:03.020 But I'm just, in point of fact, a lot of people knew it.

01:13:04.420 Yeah, so, if other people knew it, that, that is a...

01:13:08.860 The more people who know, you know, the more people who know.

01:13:11.120 Yeah, so I just, that thing, I don't know if I'll ever be able to get that out of my head.

01:13:15.540 The timing, based on what was going on that weekend.

01:13:18.540 But there was at least one subsequent attempt, assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life.

01:13:26.100 Were there others?

01:13:28.520 So, you're talking about the West Palm one?

01:13:30.660 Yeah, but I mean, after mid-July, were there, do you think, other attempts?

01:13:34.620 I don't know.

01:13:36.640 Were there?

01:13:37.580 You know, I don't know.

01:13:38.620 But, I, you know, I think there might have been.

01:13:41.480 No, you just didn't hear about him?

01:13:42.680 I think that's entirely possible.

01:13:43.840 I would totally, I would buy that.

01:13:45.600 Yeah.

01:13:46.400 So, who was the West Palm?

01:13:48.260 The West Palm guy was like...

01:13:49.760 That one is so much wackier than the Butler one. 1.00

01:13:52.560 In touch with all these members of Congress.

01:13:54.040 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:54.280 Well, I think there was a photo of him with that stupid chef, that stupid commie chef. 1.00

01:14:00.460 What's his name? 1.00

01:14:02.060 I don't have a TV.

01:14:03.180 Oh.

01:14:03.500 Jose, Andres, something.

01:14:06.700 They've got, I think that guy got a Presidential Medal of Freedom from Biden.

01:14:12.060 There's a picture of him with him.

01:14:13.440 He's like palling around.

01:14:14.600 Not really.

01:14:15.280 Yeah, I think, unless I'm, like, totally getting my wires crossed, I'm pretty sure that guy got a Medal of Freedom and there's a picture of him with Ralph.

01:14:24.100 This, like, homeless Hawaiian mercenary bringing troops to Ukraine who's camped out on Trump's golf course after Trump's already been shot in the head.

01:14:33.580 And a Secret Service guy happens to see him.

01:14:36.960 I think the report I read was he was five feet away, fires like 10 rounds at him, misses.

01:14:43.260 And it was local cops who got the guy 45 minutes later.

01:14:48.360 How does that happen?

01:14:49.500 That's just, it's all so incredible.

01:14:53.440 Yeah.

01:14:53.620 So, do you, the members, I just want to put it on the record, the members of Congress, you said that the two committee inquiries were pretty good.

01:15:03.040 Given the constraints that they have, so Congress doesn't have a lot of staff for doing this stuff.

01:15:07.600 Right.

01:15:07.960 They had no time.

01:15:08.940 They don't have the investigative tools that the FBI has.

01:15:12.040 You had the Senate Homeland Security Committee that did its own report.

01:15:15.560 And then you had the Butler Task Force bipartisan in the House that did its report.

01:15:20.360 I thought they did a great job, both of them, given the limitations and constraints they have.

01:15:25.660 It was, I don't know how they could have been more thorough given the FBI trying to block them from doing anything.

01:15:33.320 Is this the end of the inquiry?

01:15:35.620 It better not be.

01:15:37.800 I mean, Trump's coming in, in a couple days.

01:15:41.220 He's going to be president.

01:15:42.400 He's hopefully going to get his people in office.

01:15:44.600 Better not be the end of the inquiry.

01:15:48.620 I kind of feel like there's so much going on in the world right now that, you know, maybe people just kind of forget to ask.

01:15:56.900 Like, I mean, I know enough about human nature to where I can't dismiss that.

01:16:06.120 But yeah, there's always some new story we have to go, like, react to and pretend we're, like, very upset about.

01:16:13.060 And it's like every day.

01:16:15.260 Remember when news cycles were, like, three days long?

01:16:17.140 I remember very well.

01:16:18.340 I remember when Natalie Holloway disappeared in Aruba.

01:16:21.680 Yeah.

01:16:22.620 And I worked in cable news then.

01:16:24.180 And we spent, you know, approximately three years talking about it every day.

01:16:27.380 You know, no disrespect to Natalie Holloway or the inherent significance of a story about a dead American.

01:16:31.980 It's important.

01:16:32.560 But yeah, no, that was.

01:16:34.480 And you sort of wonder what else was going on while we were talking about Natalie Holloway.

01:16:38.240 Yeah.

01:16:38.440 Yeah, I've gone back and thought of all the time I wasted with Gary Condit.

01:16:43.820 Oh, man.

01:16:44.480 You know, how much time did we spend looking into what happened on 9-11 right around zero? 0.99

01:16:48.780 Just repeating all the dumb talking points. 0.94

01:16:50.700 They hate us for our freedoms and all that stuff and not asking obvious questions. 0.98

01:16:53.440 Some people were celebrating it.

01:16:54.800 Well, who were those people?

01:16:55.600 And, like, what is this?

01:16:57.120 I think one of the hijackers was living with an FBI informant for, like, a year.

01:17:00.620 I think that's correct.

01:17:01.660 Yeah.

01:17:02.620 Mistakes were made.

01:17:03.360 It's all still classified.

01:17:04.660 So you can't know.

01:17:05.660 Yeah.

01:17:07.060 Interesting.

01:17:07.420 So the obvious question is why aren't other elected officials so anxious to get to the

01:17:16.380 bottom of this?

01:17:16.920 Because it has implications for them.

01:17:18.980 When this happened, my wife said, you know, are we ever going to find out what this was?

01:17:22.340 And I said with false confidence, absolutely.

01:17:25.740 One thing members of Congress care about is not being assassinated.

01:17:29.600 So, like, they have every vested interest in finding out what this was and in making the

01:17:34.280 right reform so they can stay safe themselves.

01:17:37.420 I turned out to be completely wrong.

01:17:39.860 Like, what is that?

01:17:41.460 Yeah, it's, I don't know what's happened to Congress.

01:17:43.900 I think it's probably a combination of, obviously, the more responsibility you take, if you're going

01:17:50.080 to take 100% of the powers you've been given by the founders and the Constitution and exercise

01:17:56.560 that every day, you're going to have 100% of the accountability.

01:17:58.960 There's nothing a member of Congress politician hates more than accountability.

01:18:03.360 Yes.

01:18:03.700 So they are generally happy to delegate all of their authority to the executive where

01:18:11.580 they can just blame stuff on bureaucrats. 1.00

01:18:13.440 Oh, it was a bad process.

01:18:14.940 It's a bad bureaucratic.

01:18:16.040 People in Washington love blaming process.

01:18:18.320 Have you noticed that?

01:18:19.000 I have noticed.

01:18:19.440 It's always the process.

01:18:20.560 There's never a person at fault for anything.

01:18:22.840 It's always a process that can be strengthened.

01:18:25.540 It, you worked in the Senate.

01:18:28.100 You worked for Tom Coburn of Oklahoma.

01:18:30.940 God rest his soul.

01:18:31.840 So you can answer this question, but as I just look onto the Congress, where I've never

01:18:36.820 worked, but it seems like the single most corrupt or certainly the most infuriating part of

01:18:42.600 the Congress is the Republicans in the Senate.

01:18:44.400 Oh my gosh.

01:18:45.060 We fought with them more than Democrats.

01:18:48.560 Okay.

01:18:48.980 So you agree with that?

01:18:51.180 Oh, you have no idea.

01:18:52.400 Okay.

01:18:52.580 So I'm thinking like, who do I dislike most?

01:18:54.720 Mitch McConnell.

01:18:56.000 Yes.

01:18:57.140 It's not Alexandria O.C. or whatever she's calling herself.

01:19:00.620 You know, it was like a buffoon, but, um, and at least has, you know, 10% sincerity in 0.87

01:19:07.360 my read.

01:19:08.420 But I look at some of the Republicans, you know, Rish and some of these guys, I'm like,

01:19:12.040 oh my gosh, this is really sinister.

01:19:15.660 Yeah.

01:19:16.140 And, and man, Coburn was, that guy was a unicorn.

01:19:18.920 Like there will only ever be one of him.

01:19:20.900 He didn't care what anyone thought about him.

01:19:23.700 He hated everyone in Washington.

01:19:25.040 He hated Washington itself.

01:19:26.400 All he wanted to do was like go up there and cut spending and restore some sanity and

01:19:31.860 then go deliver babies on the weekend.

01:19:33.920 And then the Senate was like, actually, we're going to ban you from doing that because it's,

01:19:37.740 it's a conflict of interest.

01:19:39.520 Delivering babies.

01:19:40.280 Delivering babies.

01:19:41.020 He's like, okay, I'll do it.

01:19:42.120 I'll do it for free.

01:19:43.400 I'll pay MedMal out of my own pocket.

01:19:45.580 And I said, no, no, you can't do that.

01:19:47.480 We're going to ban you. 0.90

01:19:48.480 The Senate ethics committee went after him for years.

01:19:52.020 For delivering babies.

01:19:52.720 For delivering babies.

01:19:53.400 It's too, it's too life affirming.

01:19:57.620 Exactly.

01:19:58.540 Yeah.

01:19:58.900 He's two babies.

01:20:00.060 If he was an abortionist, that, you know, that would have been fine.

01:20:02.360 Yeah.

01:20:02.860 Yeah.

01:20:03.160 But, you know, be actually touching and being with constituents, that was too much.

01:20:07.040 But I remember doing stuff with him where we would have constantly people telling us,

01:20:12.540 we don't do things like that around here.

01:20:15.960 Really?

01:20:16.520 Yeah.

01:20:16.900 All the time.

01:20:17.700 And we'd be like, what, what do you mean you don't do?

01:20:19.200 You don't do things like, no, that's, that's not how we do things around here.

01:20:22.920 And because we were all so young and green and idealistic, it was actually the genius

01:20:28.060 in how he put together staff.

01:20:29.740 It wasn't like an all-star cast of like elite players.

01:20:33.700 He just took a bunch of chuckleheads who like believed in his mission and was like, yeah,

01:20:38.180 go, go do damage out there.

01:20:41.140 And so we did it. 1.00

01:20:42.060 And so we were too stupid to know what we weren't supposed to be doing. 0.98

01:20:46.520 Why isn't every, I mean, there seems to be something peculiarly, specifically wrong with 0.99

01:20:53.000 the dynamic among Republicans in the Senate.

01:20:56.000 I don't know what that is.

01:20:56.920 Like, they seem more committed to betraying their voters than any other group I've ever

01:21:00.260 seen in politics.

01:21:00.900 Yeah, it's super weird.

01:21:03.320 They're, for most of them, it's like their Senate tenure is five years of doing what they

01:21:07.440 want and then a year of promising to do what their voters want.

01:21:12.180 Yes.

01:21:12.500 It's like a sickness.

01:21:13.760 I genuinely don't understand it.

01:21:15.680 I don't know if something happens when you become a Republican senator that happens to

01:21:20.460 like 90% of them where they get there and they just like being important and that becomes

01:21:25.280 the thing they care about.

01:21:26.320 And they're so, you talked about the media being a player, the media like exists in large

01:21:31.760 part to gaslight Republicans into doing what they want.

01:21:34.640 To control them.

01:21:35.220 Yeah.

01:21:35.400 And so these guys, they, for whatever reason, they care what CNN thinks about them and they

01:21:39.620 care what the New York Times thinks about them.

01:21:41.600 And they don't understand that if you actually want to be powerful as a Republican, not caring 0.78

01:21:46.920 what anyone thinks about you makes you a fricking superhero.

01:21:50.160 I agree with that. 0.95

01:21:50.640 Makes you untouchable.

01:21:52.040 They don't, like the machine doesn't know how to handle someone who doesn't care about

01:21:57.800 their next job or the next puff piece.

01:22:00.100 You're basically an alien to them.

01:22:02.100 They don't know how to intimidate you or how to threaten you. 0.98

01:22:05.060 Like, oh, you'll cast me out of this awful city full of terrible people. 0.77

01:22:08.940 Oh no.

01:22:10.160 What'll I do?

01:22:12.480 Yeah.

01:22:13.180 I mean, do you see it changing at all?

01:22:16.580 A little bit.

01:22:18.060 It changes with the class.

01:22:20.000 So I've, I've got a friend who's, who's like one of the few really good true believers

01:22:24.220 on the right, um, worked in the Senate for a long time, total genius, parliamentary genius.

01:22:29.780 And he says, you can kind of judge senators, unlike house members, you can judge senators

01:22:34.460 by the class that they were elected into.

01:22:36.880 And that kind of tells you about the character of that whole group of people.

01:22:40.660 So you've got the guys who came in in 2002, war on terror, got to fight them over there.

01:22:46.120 So we don't have to fight them over here.

01:22:47.380 They're the worst neocons, the worst.

01:22:50.560 And, and that kind of bleeds into Oh four.

01:22:54.500 And then you get the Oh six thing where I, I don't think we even elected a new Republican

01:22:57.900 Senator because it was such a political bloodbath because the Iraq war is a disaster. 0.94

01:23:02.200 Then Oh eight, you've got the Obama years.

01:23:04.160 And then the first kind of big year was 2010.

01:23:06.980 That was all tea party.

01:23:08.500 Yeah.

01:23:08.920 Those guys still have the tea party mentality, which is fine. 0.99

01:23:12.180 I think the tea party was great.

01:23:13.680 Yeah.

01:23:13.880 But you have to be able to like evolve with the electorate.

01:23:16.380 They're still stuck in like tea party town.

01:23:19.320 And then 2014 was like the repeal Obamacare.

01:23:23.060 That was the thing.

01:23:23.960 And it really wasn't until 2016 where you actually started seeing a change that was reflective

01:23:29.460 of where the people are happening again in 2018.

01:23:32.860 And then most of the guys coming in now are so much better than the people they serve

01:23:38.580 with who got elected 20 years ago.

01:23:40.880 That's not even close.

01:23:42.300 Yes.

01:23:42.880 And yet they're still senators and they still care about what people think about them.

01:23:48.540 Like somewhat someone like you or me will never ever be in that body.

01:23:53.180 Well, no. 0.54

01:23:54.700 And I would, you know, I'd rather die.

01:23:56.560 But what's interesting is it's not on questions like, you know, we spent all this time on the

01:24:01.400 training question, which I think is inherently important.

01:24:03.860 And I do think if you eliminate sex differences, civilization collapses because they're built 1.00

01:24:08.900 on sex differences.

01:24:09.640 That's my view.

01:24:10.700 So I'm completely aligned.

01:24:12.180 I couldn't be more pro-life.

01:24:14.140 And I think there are tons of Republicans in both houses who agree with all that or say

01:24:21.300 they do or do a good job of pretending it's fine.

01:24:24.460 It's the national security intel stuff, the police power stuff, surveillance power stuff.

01:24:30.320 Man, they are, that's what they take seriously.

01:24:33.100 That's what they actually care about.

01:24:34.160 Have you noticed this?

01:24:34.840 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:35.260 And it's actually, you see guys who really want to get on the intel committee.

01:24:40.900 Yes.

01:24:41.240 Like, unless you're going to do real oversight, which I think one person, Devin Nunes, has

01:24:46.220 ever done on that committee.

01:24:47.920 The only reason to be on that is to, like, be cool.

01:24:51.240 You get to be with the spies and you get read in on it and they make you feel special and

01:24:55.980 you get to go on Codells.

01:24:57.220 And then maybe one day they'll write a book about you, like Charlie Wilson's war, about

01:25:01.320 how courageous you were and shipping a bunch of weapons all around the world and starting

01:25:05.180 wars that we're still dealing with the ramifications of.

01:25:07.520 Like, it's the Jason Bourne, like John Le Carré kind of stuff that they actually think

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01:26:23.700 I really think they're evil.

01:26:25.480 I mean that.

01:26:26.240 I mean way more evil than like, you know, I'm, I think Head Start was a disaster.

01:26:31.540 Social Security is bankrupting the country, Medicare, you know, there's all these problems

01:26:34.940 with social workers, but you don't look at that and say the people who started that are

01:26:39.600 evil. 0.96

01:26:40.180 They're just like dumb or they didn't foresee the consequences of the, of what they were 1.00

01:26:44.560 doing. 1.00

01:26:44.800 But like the people who, you know, cheered the murder of Gaddafi or never admitted they lied

01:26:51.320 about weapons mass destruction or the people pushing, you know, claiming that we should

01:26:55.780 lower the conscription age in Ukraine to 18 because we haven't killed enough Ukrainians 1.00

01:27:00.960 after a million have died or been wounded.

01:27:02.900 I just think that's evil.

01:27:04.080 It is evil.

01:27:04.940 It's people who, it's almost like they get off on the rah-rah team sport aspect of people

01:27:12.540 getting blown to bits.

01:27:13.700 Yes.

01:27:13.980 And having their lives, you know, if not ended, ruined forever.

01:27:18.260 And, and I swear, I don't see how any of these people, they must not have ever talked to anyone

01:27:23.900 who spent any time actually doing dirty work in Iraq or Afghanistan because you can't spend

01:27:29.480 any time.

01:27:30.160 It destroys those guys.

01:27:30.940 It, it, it, it destroyed a whole generation of warfighters and young men.

01:27:35.880 I mean, and it's in evil ways.

01:27:37.680 And not just because they were killed or disabled.

01:27:39.200 We're only looking at a small part of it.

01:27:40.660 I've known some of them well.

01:27:41.940 It's killing people is bad for you. 0.97

01:27:45.820 And, you know, sometimes you have to kill people. 0.99

01:27:47.680 I mean, you do. 0.98

01:27:48.580 If there's, if I have a home invader and my wife and kids are going to kill a guy, I would 1.00

01:27:52.500 sleep soundly after killing him. 0.99

01:27:53.580 I mean, you have to, but ultimately killing people is bad and it's bad for the person who 0.99

01:27:59.280 kills.

01:27:59.940 And we don't even acknowledge that.

01:28:01.660 And I just know a lot of them.

01:28:02.860 So I've seen it.

01:28:03.680 And it's, would you want that on you?

01:28:06.480 No.

01:28:07.000 Well, I mean, it's why, it's why I never joined.

01:28:08.980 Like I just, I couldn't.

01:28:09.820 Not because you're afraid of being killed.

01:28:11.300 It's because you're afraid of killing and you should be, like, that's a very heavy

01:28:14.920 thing to ask someone to do and then not to acknowledge it.

01:28:17.660 Just be like, oh yeah, good job.

01:28:19.480 When you see the scars they bring back to the mental, emotional, spiritual.

01:28:23.300 Yes.

01:28:23.860 And, you know, some of them deal with it way better than others.

01:28:27.200 But there's a reason the suicide rate is so high.

01:28:29.900 And the divorce rate and the addiction rate and the weirdness rate and the deep kind of

01:28:35.220 heavy trouble that you feel on a lot of them.

01:28:37.780 I don't, God, my gosh, I don't blame them.

01:28:39.660 A lot of them are wonderful, admirable people.

01:28:41.640 And they were asked to do something and they did it.

01:28:44.040 And they did it under duress and at great personal risk.

01:28:46.680 And like, I admire them.

01:28:47.540 I'm not criticizing them.

01:28:49.060 Just saying not to acknowledge what we've asked them to do.

01:28:52.300 Not to acknowledge the burden of having killed somebody.

01:28:55.860 It's like, how shallow and cruel are we?

01:28:58.480 In the news media, the corporate media, they treat it like it's a fun sport.

01:29:05.160 Let's look at what Red Team versus Blue Team did today.

01:29:09.780 Let's look at this footage of, like, this Russian getting killed by a drone.

01:29:14.300 And then they cheer and they, oh, isn't this great?

01:29:16.400 Isn't this awesome?

01:29:17.400 Yeah, it is.

01:29:18.620 These are human beings.

01:29:19.800 Yeah.

01:29:19.980 And it didn't want to be there.

01:29:21.520 It's like some kid gets his face blown off and you're cheering it? 0.98

01:29:25.960 It's gross. 1.00

01:29:26.660 It's disgusting.

01:29:27.440 And it's weird.

01:29:28.740 I look back on kind of how I thought about things in the run-up to the Iraq war.

01:29:33.160 And I'm just kind of ashamed about it.

01:29:34.460 Me too.

01:29:34.860 Because I was like the jingoistic, rah-rah kind of thing.

01:29:37.960 And you find out it was all based on a lie.

01:29:40.480 And you see that it's just, that permanently changed how I looked at that entire bureaucracy.

01:29:45.140 I completely agree.

01:29:45.680 And in 2001 and 2002, when I was tepidly cheerleading, I will say this, my only defense was kind of tepid.

01:29:53.020 I sort of knew it was wrong, but I convinced myself it wasn't.

01:29:55.000 But when I was, you know, making the case for the Iraq war and repeating the lies of the Bush administration, I'd never really seen violence, you know, personally seen it.

01:30:03.680 And that was, you know, a huge change for me seeing that.

01:30:06.500 I was like, I'm not into this at all.

01:30:08.100 I don't know why.

01:30:08.660 Why is this good?

01:30:09.920 I don't think it's good.

01:30:11.040 I don't know.

01:30:11.260 It doesn't feel good.

01:30:12.200 You know what I mean?

01:30:13.540 It's just, I don't want that anymore of that.

01:30:15.700 I don't want to see that.

01:30:16.580 I don't want to be around it at all.

01:30:17.880 I don't, it's not a turn on at all.

01:30:19.940 It's like horrible.

01:30:21.200 And so that was personally for me a huge change.

01:30:23.720 But I just think that it's important to remember, especially as Christians, like we're against violence.

01:30:32.020 I don't know.

01:30:32.460 We are.

01:30:32.840 Sorry.

01:30:33.520 We're against violence.

01:30:34.140 We should not ever cheer someone's death.

01:30:37.500 Right?

01:30:38.580 Yeah.

01:30:39.000 I mean, we're the only things made in God's image.

01:30:40.880 That's how I feel.

01:30:41.340 In all of creation.

01:30:42.440 So we're infinitely valuable.

01:30:44.860 I feel that way.

01:30:45.500 So we shouldn't, yeah, be cheering.

01:30:47.160 And it's like you said, somebody breaks into your home.

01:30:49.180 They're trying to do harm to your family.

01:30:50.800 Yeah.

01:30:51.000 You're going to do what you got to do.

01:30:52.600 But just, hey, let's go.

01:30:53.840 But I don't want to do it.

01:30:54.520 Yeah.

01:30:54.980 No, nobody should want to do it.

01:30:56.460 No.

01:30:57.160 Like you, I remember I was taking a gun training from an uncle of mine.

01:31:01.980 He was like a legendary firearms instructor.

01:31:05.740 He was, worked with Jeff Cooper out in gun sight.

01:31:09.300 Really?

01:31:09.700 Yeah.

01:31:10.360 He's awesome.

01:31:11.980 And I remember him, my sister and my aunt and uncle and I went with this other uncle and his wife to do this training.

01:31:19.260 And he made us sit in a classroom for like a whole day.

01:31:21.920 And he drilled into us.

01:31:23.580 What's the number one rule of gunfights?

01:31:26.520 Be somewhere else.

01:31:29.420 And then what's the second rule of gunfights?

01:31:31.100 Have a gun.

01:31:31.800 But he's like, yeah, if you're, if you're paying attention, like if you're aware and you know what's going on around you, you should be, you should have the ability and the awareness to never be in a position to ever have to do it.

01:31:46.480 I agree.

01:31:47.000 Bar some sort of awful twist of fate.

01:31:49.840 I wonder, you know, the calls for gun control, which are, you know, obviously cyclical, like every time there's some tragedy, some mass shooting, some of which do seem like they're inspired by the FBI, but I can't prove it.

01:32:04.860 But anyway, just there's always like three or four days of the media getting hysterical about gun control, taking your guns away.

01:32:13.200 Those seem more half-hearted than they used to be.

01:32:15.960 Maybe I'm being paranoid.

01:32:17.240 And I'm wondering if maybe technology, the convergence of AI and drone technology isn't advancing to the point where the people in charge know it doesn't matter whether you have a gun anymore.

01:32:26.940 Yeah, I hadn't thought about that, but I had noticed like the fever pitch of hysteria after a shooting over the last almost like year, six months to a year, they kind of feel like they're just going through the motions with it in the media.

01:32:39.740 I kind of agree.

01:32:40.680 It's just a fundraising deal for like the dumb, you know, David Hogg or whatever, you know, these buffoons, media creations, you know, who become famous on, you know, on a pile of dead bodies. 0.98

01:32:51.720 It's like so grotesque, but it doesn't seem real to me. 0.92

01:32:56.240 And I just wonder, are we at a point where like your AR is not actually a guarantee of freedom at all because like technology is going to give the state so much power that like it doesn't matter.

01:33:10.780 The drone stuff I find terrifying.

01:33:13.380 Terrifying.

01:33:14.000 Why?

01:33:14.180 Especially the mass drones because you can't stop them.

01:33:16.620 Yeah.

01:33:16.780 I talked to one a couple months ago, I was talking to a SEAL, a former SEAL about it, who thinks about this stuff a lot.

01:33:24.620 And I said, so like, how do you stop the drones?

01:33:28.240 He said, get a shotgun.

01:33:30.500 And I said, really? 1.00

01:33:32.100 Yeah, I just shoot it.

01:33:33.800 Okay, well, what if there's like a thousand of them?

01:33:37.260 Like, I don't, shotgun I have doesn't hold a thousand rounds.

01:33:40.500 No, I shoot with it side by side.

01:33:42.140 Yeah.

01:33:42.780 Two shells.

01:33:43.780 Yeah.

01:33:44.140 Like, there, you got, you have to have a technological solution to it.

01:33:49.260 I don't, I don't know how I is like Joe Blow or you just out minding our business.

01:33:54.340 You're not defeating like a weaponized drone storm at all.

01:33:59.400 And I feel like Democrats, especially the ones who are all about gun control know this because they'll say things like, oh, you think your AR is going to help you?

01:34:05.900 We have nukes and cruise missiles.

01:34:08.580 Your AR is not going to stop that.

01:34:10.020 I think there may be something to that.

01:34:11.660 But it's just my instinct.

01:34:12.700 I don't know.

01:34:13.620 I mean, but I'm.

01:34:14.220 But it is weird.

01:34:15.160 It is weird.

01:34:16.060 And I, and I think if you want to understand what's actually going on, like watch the rhetoric, of course, never take it at face value.

01:34:22.440 It's a lie by definition.

01:34:24.200 The slogans are a lie, but they do change and they change for a reason.

01:34:29.180 And, and, and so I'm just concerned about that.

01:34:32.920 And I, um, as someone who's always like, you know, had guns and ammo at home.

01:34:36.920 Yeah.

01:34:37.320 So there's an old, uh, quote from, I think it was JP Morgan that I've used as kind of like my political motivation finding North Star.

01:34:46.900 And it's that every man has two reasons for doing things, a good reason and the real reason.

01:34:52.480 Yeah.

01:34:53.260 So like on gun control, the good reason that they always give. 0.89

01:34:56.920 And, and I think that probably a large percentage of people who espouse it, they, they do intend well.

01:35:02.820 Well, these hurt people and I don't want to hurt people and they, they don't think beyond like the second and third order consequences, but like it's, it's a genuine heartfelt, this thing does awful things to people and I don't want that.

01:35:15.280 So we should get rid of it.

01:35:16.580 I, I understand where that's coming from.

01:35:18.500 I don't agree with it, but then what's the, that's the good reason.

01:35:21.940 So what's the real reason?

01:35:23.700 I think a lot of people putting that stuff out just don't want us to be free.

01:35:28.480 Well, they, you know, they, they don't believe in human autonomy.

01:35:31.280 Yeah.

01:35:31.700 Obviously.

01:35:32.320 Right.

01:35:32.680 So they, they don't see other humans as human.

01:35:36.240 They see them as slaves.

01:35:38.360 You know, I think it's pretty obvious that they see them as objects, you know, who are, have no inherent rights, no inherent dignity, whose lives aren't really worth anything.

01:35:48.620 That's why they love abortion. 1.00

01:35:49.660 And they, you know, if you really saw people as creations of God who exist independently from you and your desires, then like there's a degree to which you can control people.

01:35:57.900 But then beyond that, you can't, you can't, even your own children, you can't really control, can you?

01:36:02.020 No.

01:36:02.700 Right.

01:36:03.080 You can't.

01:36:03.980 No, they come fully formed and you can like work 5% of the margins.

01:36:07.080 That's exactly right.

01:36:07.720 Yeah.

01:36:07.920 That's exactly right.

01:36:08.560 And I think good parenting is in part recognizing that, you know, because you don't own them.

01:36:13.440 Actually, you are more responsible for them.

01:36:15.080 They are your children.

01:36:16.240 They're, you know, from your body, but they're not, you know, they're human beings.

01:36:20.940 And I just think those are like foundational views that a lot of people in power just don't have.

01:36:25.680 No, we're viewed as cogs.

01:36:27.200 Yes.

01:36:27.500 Especially the new kind of like managerial leftism.

01:36:31.860 Yes.

01:36:32.120 They look at it and they say, okay, we've got this fixed population of people and I can move this lever and I can move this lever and I'll twist this thing.

01:36:38.300 And then I can get those people to do what I want.

01:36:40.200 We're really just inputs, things that can be tweaked according to them.

01:36:45.240 We're not people who have souls, not eternal beings who have infinite value.

01:36:50.500 Yes.

01:36:50.780 We're just things to be manipulated so they can get what they want. 0.90

01:36:53.360 It's gross.

01:36:54.460 So last question.

01:36:55.720 It does feel like this, I think a lot of people felt this whether they said it out loud or not, but this election was, you know, the last chance to turn away from what was a certain future of enslavement.

01:37:10.200 That's not an overstatement.

01:37:13.000 Who wins?

01:37:14.080 Like in five years, what's your best guess for where we are?

01:37:20.840 I'm not an optimist and it has nothing to do with politics.

01:37:24.320 Yes.

01:37:24.560 So I agree with you.

01:37:25.520 I think this election was kind of a last chance.

01:37:28.940 Yeah.

01:37:29.320 But it wasn't a guarantee.

01:37:31.580 Yes.

01:37:31.800 And my worry is that our politicians are a function of the people.

01:37:35.640 John Adams, it was either John Adams or Franklin said, our system of government is wholly unsuited to an immoral people.

01:37:42.800 We were a nation found on Christian principles by Christian men who put Christ and God as the foremost things in their lives.

01:37:53.460 And everything else was built around it.

01:37:55.360 Our government was built around it.

01:37:56.720 The way we organized the states was built around it.

01:37:59.500 And it worked for a really long time until that foundation started to crumble.

01:38:05.300 And I don't know when that started.

01:38:06.740 Was it the Industrial Revolution?

01:38:08.160 Was it Vietnam and the druggie area? 0.97

01:38:10.920 I don't know.

01:38:11.920 But our moral fabric as a people is totally unrecognizable to someone who helped start the country.

01:38:20.620 And so my view is absent a true collective Christian revival where we collectively repent for what we've done as a nation.

01:38:31.660 Because God cares about nations.

01:38:33.420 He cares about the fate of nations.

01:38:35.080 He cares what nations do.

01:38:36.180 He blesses them and he curses them.

01:38:39.100 And he judges them and he lets them prosper.

01:38:41.820 Our nation had a covenant with God.

01:38:44.140 It was obvious why we were formed.

01:38:46.940 Because we want to have a place where people can come.

01:38:48.420 One nation under God.

01:38:49.440 I mean, they said it.

01:38:50.520 They weren't hiding it.

01:38:52.040 Do you think that is like the moral nucleus of our society today?

01:38:56.680 Because I don't.

01:38:57.260 And so I don't see, absent a true foundational change in us as a people collectively, I don't see how we ever turn the ship around.

01:39:07.820 And so I pray.

01:39:09.080 Obviously, I pray for the president.

01:39:10.400 I pray for mayors and our leaders even when I don't like them because that's what we're commanded to do.

01:39:15.000 And because God has put them in place either for our judgment or our blessing, our fate is not going to be sealed by the politicians we pick.

01:39:27.460 It's just not.

01:39:28.600 No.

01:39:28.700 And so that's my worry going forward.

01:39:31.440 Do you feel like, I mean, I do see around me just in my tiny little weird world, but people who I don't think have ever thought about God talking about God.

01:39:42.620 I read that Bible sales are the highest they've been in a long time.

01:39:46.020 I feel something changing.

01:39:48.040 Something has changed.

01:39:49.740 It feels like on election night, scales came off people's eyes.

01:39:55.320 It was almost, it was a weird thing.

01:39:58.780 Suddenly people are just saying things that they weren't supposed to say.

01:40:03.640 Got NFL players.

01:40:04.720 You had like John Jones, UFC doing the Trump dance after finishing a dude.

01:40:10.380 Like words that people use and sentiments they espouse were completely verboten.

01:40:17.260 And that seems to have changed.

01:40:19.180 I completely agree.

01:40:20.120 There's appears to be a spiritual aspect in hunger in people now that I find really, really heartening, but that it's like seeing the seedling sprout.

01:40:30.300 Like I want to see like the giant hardwood.

01:40:34.260 Of course.

01:40:34.760 But of course it has to start with the seedling.

01:40:36.660 Of course it does.

01:40:37.740 But do you, do you see it in your world?

01:40:39.360 Absolutely.

01:40:40.580 Without a doubt.

01:40:42.660 Huh.

01:40:43.760 So, I mean, that's something worth celebrating.

01:40:47.280 Yeah.

01:40:47.560 Yeah, absolutely.

01:40:48.840 Yep.

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01:40:51.920 Well, thank you.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - January 17, 2025

Sean Davis： Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate

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