The Tucker Carlson Show - Shawn Ryan： Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts

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00:00:30.000 So the Joe Biden has, it turns out,

00:00:35.440 Joe Biden has metastatic bone cancer.

00:00:37.700 I saw that.

00:00:39.520 And of course, you know,

00:00:40.900 every urologist in the world immediately knows this is a lie.

00:00:44.940 He's known for years because a PSA test shows

00:00:48.320 and this is a very slow-growing cancer

00:00:50.620 and now it sounds like it's terminal.

00:00:52.300 And so for 10 years, his doctors have known that he has this

00:00:55.560 and they've lied to us about it and everyone's mad at Joe Biden.

00:00:58.040 And, but then the other way to look at it is like,

00:01:01.520 who kept that secret from the rest of us

00:01:03.880 and who was actually running the government for those four years?

00:01:07.300 I think that's a big question, right?

00:01:29.740 But I mean, do you know Lindy Lee?

00:01:31.780 No.

00:01:32.000 You heard of Lindy Lee?

00:01:32.960 No.

00:01:33.360 She was, she was on the staff

00:01:35.520 and she came on the show to talk about who was running the country. 0.51

00:01:40.920 She said it was all the staffers.

00:01:42.840 It was all the millennial staffers 1.00

00:01:45.480 that were pretty much running the country

00:01:47.000 and nobody was talking to each other.

00:01:48.780 Everybody had their own agendas.

00:01:50.140 And yeah, I mean, pretty much like all the stuff that we already knew,

00:01:56.420 but she just came on to confirm it and then switch sides. 0.90

00:02:01.540 But I mean, that's like the opposite of democracy, right?

00:02:05.400 I mean, yeah.

00:02:07.000 I guess I vacillate between not being shocked at all.

00:02:14.460 I mean, of course, I mean, he was visibly demented.

00:02:18.240 So why should we be surprised that he also,

00:02:20.160 hey, by the way, he has terminal bone cancer.

00:02:22.340 But on the other hand, it's like,

00:02:24.060 that is so not the system that we signed up for

00:02:27.040 and that we participate in.

00:02:30.080 Yeah, I mean, we didn't sign up for it, but we did.

00:02:33.080 I mean, look, I remember at the beginning of the election cycle

00:02:39.420 when Fox News was going on and on

00:02:41.840 about Joe Biden's cognitive ability.

00:02:44.300 And I was like, I mean, this is probably just over-embellished.

00:02:49.500 And then I saw the first...

00:02:51.560 Wait, were you watching Fox News again?

00:02:53.360 This was a long time ago.

00:02:55.560 But, yeah, I was...

00:03:00.800 I thought...

00:03:01.960 Because, I mean, I think all media, you know,

00:03:04.320 obviously over-embellishes and just flat-out lies.

00:03:07.860 And I was...

00:03:08.920 I just thought I was like,

00:03:09.940 there's no way that this guy's that bad.

00:03:12.020 And then the first presidential debate,

00:03:14.260 I quit watching it because I was like, 0.99

00:03:16.560 holy shit, this guy legitimately cannot put a sentence together. 0.99

00:03:21.100 I was like, they're actually not over-embellishing this. 0.99

00:03:24.200 And it was on display for millions, the entire country,

00:03:28.720 but still won the vote, supposedly. 1.00

00:03:32.560 I feel like an idiot for being shocked 1.00

00:03:34.420 because, of course, it's not a democracy. 1.00

00:03:37.100 Of course, the system is rigged.

00:03:38.960 It's fake.

00:03:40.000 Because no matter who gets elected,

00:03:42.100 no matter who gets elected,

00:03:43.940 you get the same foreign policy,

00:03:46.560 you get the same economic policy,

00:03:48.800 and the Epstein videos remain secret.

00:03:51.200 So, like, that just shows you that

00:03:53.800 our system has no effect on the actual system.

00:03:56.900 Wait, what are you talking about?

00:03:57.840 I thought we could all sleep well at night now

00:03:59.680 knowing that Epstein legitimately killed himself, right?

00:04:03.580 What was that?

00:04:04.600 Did that just come out?

00:04:06.960 It's just two guys that I really like.

00:04:09.780 I mean, I love Bongino,

00:04:11.560 but he's a friend of mine.

00:04:14.800 But you weren't convinced by that?

00:04:16.960 No.

00:04:20.740 Why?

00:04:22.640 I mean, just...

00:04:25.000 I've dug into that,

00:04:27.200 and it's just so spooky,

00:04:29.700 what's going on with that,

00:04:30.940 and how nobody...

00:04:32.800 I mean, how do you charge a guy with sex trafficking

00:04:35.340 when there are no end users that have been charged?

00:04:39.040 Who did you traffic to?

00:04:41.740 Well, that's a great question.

00:04:42.980 Uh, I don't know.

00:04:47.460 You got me on that one.

00:04:48.460 I mean, right?

00:04:49.280 How do you charge him with that

00:04:50.600 if there's no...

00:04:51.700 If there's no...

00:04:52.520 I mean, if that's where the trail starts,

00:04:54.560 where does it end?

00:04:55.260 We haven't...

00:04:55.660 So, I think there's just

00:04:58.620 a lot more going on

00:05:00.720 than the majority of people know about.

00:05:03.820 What do you think that was?

00:05:05.260 What do I think it was?

00:05:06.340 Yeah.

00:05:06.580 I think it was a blackmail operation.

00:05:09.900 What do you think it was?

00:05:11.080 I think it was a blackmail operation

00:05:13.300 run by the CIA

00:05:14.960 and the Israeli Intel Services,

00:05:17.940 and probably others.

00:05:19.340 You know, French intelligence

00:05:20.160 always has a hand in everything,

00:05:21.360 I've noticed,

00:05:21.860 so probably them too.

00:05:24.420 You know, but the usual,

00:05:26.060 you know, darkest forces in the world

00:05:28.380 colluding to make rich and powerful people

00:05:31.080 obey their agenda.

00:05:32.120 I mean, look, though,

00:05:32.960 I just, I don't understand why

00:05:35.180 nobody has come out on it.

00:05:39.480 Nobody has come out on it, right?

00:05:41.540 I mean, because if you paint the scenario,

00:05:44.200 I mean, you get on a jet,

00:05:46.500 maybe you're totally innocent,

00:05:48.340 you don't know what's going on,

00:05:49.560 two hot women come out of the 1.00

00:05:52.360 whatever stewardess place,

00:05:55.780 come out,

00:05:56.320 and one thing leads to another.

00:06:00.340 I mean, and then what happens?

00:06:02.660 They go, oh, we got you,

00:06:03.860 you're on camera,

00:06:04.620 and by the way,

00:06:05.140 these girls are 15 or 16

00:06:07.040 or whatever the hell they were, right?

00:06:09.320 And, but I mean, it's,

00:06:12.420 yes, I mean, yes,

00:06:14.180 if you're a married guy, 1.00

00:06:15.080 it's pretty fucked up 0.99

00:06:16.260 that you're doing that, 0.99

00:06:17.180 but I mean,

00:06:18.260 it's nothing new under the sun,

00:06:20.180 so why wouldn't you just

00:06:22.720 scream blackmail 0.88

00:06:24.960 at the top of your lungs

00:06:26.320 like, I didn't know

00:06:27.440 this is what happened,

00:06:28.680 and just come clean on it?

00:06:31.840 Why do you think?

00:06:34.080 Because they're repeat customers.

00:06:36.120 Yeah.

00:06:38.260 Because they're so deeply implicated

00:06:39.940 that they can't actually get out of it.

00:06:42.020 Yeah, maybe not.

00:06:43.240 I don't know.

00:06:44.300 I mean, there's also,

00:06:46.620 at least in me,

00:06:47.520 the growing sense

00:06:48.220 that it's not just blackmail

00:06:49.560 that makes people obey,

00:06:50.600 it's not just bribery,

00:06:51.480 it's also the threat of violence.

00:06:52.860 Do you know anybody

00:06:57.000 that's been threatened

00:06:57.680 with violence?

00:07:03.420 I think every U.S. president

00:07:05.140 has been threatened

00:07:05.920 with violence implicitly

00:07:07.160 because of the murder

00:07:08.840 of John F. Kennedy.

00:07:10.260 I've known a bunch of presidents,

00:07:12.040 and I think every one of them

00:07:14.040 understands that,

00:07:16.820 you know,

00:07:17.640 it's pretty obvious

00:07:18.260 what happened there,

00:07:19.840 or the outlines,

00:07:20.680 you know,

00:07:21.400 maybe not the details,

00:07:22.720 and no one has,

00:07:26.280 to this day,

00:07:27.380 released all the files,

00:07:28.700 and like,

00:07:29.020 why is that?

00:07:30.560 Because the message

00:07:31.500 is really clear.

00:07:33.040 You know,

00:07:33.380 if you get too far outside

00:07:34.840 the boundaries,

00:07:36.280 like,

00:07:36.440 you could wind up like JFK.

00:07:37.700 Who places the boundaries?

00:07:41.840 Probably the same forces

00:07:43.040 that murdered

00:07:43.500 the sitting president

00:07:44.260 in 1963.

00:07:46.320 You know what I mean?

00:07:47.540 Like,

00:07:47.780 if you listen to the tape

00:07:49.360 of Richard Nixon

00:07:51.820 talking to the CIA director

00:07:53.320 in the Oval Office,

00:07:54.260 no one else around,

00:07:54.780 of course,

00:07:54.960 is being taped,

00:07:56.460 and Nixon knows that

00:07:57.160 because it's his taping system,

00:07:58.420 but it's still his.

00:07:59.420 Like,

00:07:59.620 he has no expectation

00:08:01.080 anyone's going to hear this.

00:08:02.420 When he brings up

00:08:03.440 Kennedy's murderer,

00:08:04.800 he's the president. 0.78

00:08:06.000 In fact,

00:08:06.620 not only is he the president,

00:08:07.420 he's won by the biggest

00:08:08.540 landslide in American history.

00:08:10.760 He has a real mandate,

00:08:11.660 and he is afraid.

00:08:13.120 He's afraid even to talk

00:08:14.160 in private to the CIA director

00:08:15.540 about what that was,

00:08:17.660 and he indicates,

00:08:18.480 like,

00:08:18.580 I know what happened

00:08:19.420 to Jack Kennedy,

00:08:20.980 and the CIA director

00:08:21.880 doesn't even respond,

00:08:23.380 and the president 1.00

00:08:24.080 doesn't have the balls 0.99

00:08:25.280 to say, 1.00

00:08:25.600 hey,

00:08:25.960 son,

00:08:26.280 I'm talking to you.

00:08:26.800 You work for me.

00:08:28.280 Like,

00:08:28.540 I want the files on this.

00:08:30.500 Like,

00:08:30.880 I knew Jack Kennedy.

00:08:31.580 He was murdered.

00:08:32.220 He was shot in the head

00:08:32.940 next to his wife

00:08:33.680 in public.

00:08:34.400 Like,

00:08:34.940 a man died.

00:08:36.020 I want to know

00:08:36.820 what happened here. 1.00

00:08:37.920 He does not have the balls 0.99

00:08:39.020 to say that 1.00

00:08:39.680 to his own CIA director.

00:08:41.500 Man.

00:08:42.400 That's the level of fear

00:08:43.820 that a murder like that

00:08:46.040 that's officially unsolved,

00:08:47.740 but,

00:08:48.020 you know,

00:08:48.380 who's outlying,

00:08:49.000 everyone really,

00:08:49.740 a lot of people understand.

00:08:51.360 Like,

00:08:51.780 that's the fear

00:08:52.340 that that inculcates.

00:08:53.440 Do you think it runs

00:08:54.200 that deep with everybody?

00:08:56.080 I think if you're president,

00:08:57.840 you're very aware

00:09:01.200 of the physical risk

00:09:02.000 of the job.

00:09:02.760 Wouldn't you be?

00:09:04.420 I mean,

00:09:04.920 yeah,

00:09:05.120 I mean,

00:09:05.260 I think that goes

00:09:05.920 without saying,

00:09:06.540 but I mean,

00:09:06.920 some of these guys

00:09:07.620 on the,

00:09:08.140 you know,

00:09:08.440 lower levels,

00:09:09.280 I mean,

00:09:09.500 I don't know.

00:09:10.440 It's just so sophisticated.

00:09:11.900 I mean,

00:09:12.060 when you dive into it,

00:09:13.060 it seems so sophisticated

00:09:14.320 and having been a,

00:09:16.240 you know,

00:09:16.700 a small part

00:09:17.640 in some of the intel agencies,

00:09:19.540 it's just not that.

00:09:23.180 I think people place,

00:09:24.520 give them a lot more credit

00:09:25.580 than they deserve.

00:09:26.460 I believe that,

00:09:27.080 you know,

00:09:27.500 and,

00:09:27.920 but I think there's a thing

00:09:29.840 also where it's just

00:09:31.300 addiction to power.

00:09:33.080 Yes. 0.99

00:09:33.820 Then they're so fucking scared 0.97

00:09:35.400 that they're going to lose 0.98

00:09:36.280 their power.

00:09:37.080 And I mean,

00:09:37.780 you see in every administration

00:09:39.160 to include this one,

00:09:40.440 people that are,

00:09:41.560 you know,

00:09:42.280 it's,

00:09:42.560 it's everybody wants

00:09:43.500 to help the country,

00:09:44.380 right?

00:09:45.080 But everybody wants

00:09:47.560 to help the country.

00:09:48.420 They have their,

00:09:49.340 their thing that they could do

00:09:50.520 to help the country

00:09:51.320 and then they get placed

00:09:52.280 in something they have 0.99

00:09:52.960 no fucking business 0.99

00:09:53.780 being in at all. 0.99

00:09:54.620 They know there are

00:09:55.380 better people to run

00:09:56.400 that sector of the government,

00:09:58.260 but hey,

00:09:58.800 I'll,

00:09:59.080 I'll take it

00:09:59.740 because I'm the best.

00:10:00.540 No, 1.00

00:10:00.660 the fuck you're not. 1.00

00:10:02.500 You're not the best, 1.00

00:10:03.840 you know,

00:10:04.740 and that's,

00:10:05.420 I saw that in this one 0.97

00:10:07.360 and it really fucking 0.98

00:10:08.580 pissed me off. 0.98

00:10:09.400 In which one?

00:10:09.900 In the Epstein?

00:10:11.920 In,

00:10:12.080 in,

00:10:12.480 in,

00:10:12.720 in this administration,

00:10:14.160 there are people in there

00:10:15.140 that I despise,

00:10:16.580 that I know don't know 1.00

00:10:17.420 what the fuck they're doing 0.99

00:10:18.360 and they're in there. 1.00

00:10:21.220 Like who?

00:10:22.500 Like Sebastian Gorka.

00:10:24.320 It's hard to believe

00:10:26.940 he works there.

00:10:27.820 What?

00:10:28.060 No.

00:10:28.300 So why don't,

00:10:29.500 why haven't you caught

00:10:30.260 Seb Gorka fever?

00:10:31.780 Why don't you love

00:10:32.380 Sebastian Gorka?

00:10:33.520 Well,

00:10:33.780 I'll tell you why.

00:10:34.700 I mean,

00:10:35.280 he blast,

00:10:37.340 we were talking about

00:10:38.160 the,

00:10:38.480 the Sam Shoemade interview

00:10:39.880 with the Tesla bomber.

00:10:41.380 Yes.

00:10:41.660 Last night,

00:10:42.120 right?

00:10:42.940 And everybody called me,

00:10:44.120 oh, 1.00

00:10:44.300 he's Sean's a fucking CIA shill 0.99

00:10:46.220 and he's an operative still 1.00

00:10:48.060 and all this other shit. 0.99

00:10:49.060 One, 0.99

00:10:49.260 I was just a contractor

00:10:50.220 over there.

00:10:50.880 But anyway,

00:10:51.440 that's not the point.

00:10:52.200 He came on,

00:10:53.480 he posted this thing

00:10:54.820 on Twitter

00:10:55.360 saying,

00:10:57.100 with this guy,

00:10:58.480 Ryan McBeth,

00:10:59.540 who did this whole

00:11:00.520 debunking my episode,

00:11:03.000 right?

00:11:04.740 And

00:11:05.260 for whatever reason,

00:11:07.280 he got pissed at me

00:11:08.400 for doing that interview,

00:11:09.580 Gorka,

00:11:10.340 and posts

00:11:11.260 the Ryan McBeth

00:11:12.680 little,

00:11:13.840 I don't know,

00:11:14.440 10 minute clip

00:11:15.280 that's debunking

00:11:16.900 my,

00:11:17.420 my interview.

00:11:18.920 And

00:11:21.640 Sebastian Gorka

00:11:22.920 posts this thing

00:11:23.700 on Twitter,

00:11:24.140 I'll send you the thing,

00:11:25.480 maybe you can overlay it

00:11:26.420 on the screen,

00:11:26.960 and he said something like,

00:11:28.460 oh,

00:11:28.700 he,

00:11:29.100 he debunks another one.

00:11:30.780 Well,

00:11:31.300 then later on,

00:11:32.400 Ryan McBeth

00:11:34.060 does an apology video

00:11:35.500 because the FBI

00:11:36.500 actually came out

00:11:37.560 and said, 1.00

00:11:38.540 oh shit, 0.99

00:11:39.460 the email 0.99

00:11:40.140 on the,

00:11:40.840 on the podcast,

00:11:42.260 they didn't want to name

00:11:43.020 the podcast,

00:11:43.860 of course,

00:11:44.220 but the email

00:11:45.600 on the podcast,

00:11:46.380 we have confirmed

00:11:47.760 as being legit.

00:11:49.200 As soon as they did that,

00:11:51.020 McBeth

00:11:51.580 actually came out

00:11:52.880 and did an apology video,

00:11:54.260 and

00:11:55.380 I was like,

00:11:56.300 hey,

00:11:56.880 cool,

00:11:57.580 like,

00:11:59.800 thank you,

00:12:00.480 thank you for the apology.

00:12:02.160 So I blasted

00:12:03.220 Gorka

00:12:03.940 on X

00:12:04.820 and,

00:12:05.900 and said,

00:12:07.060 because what is he in charge of now?

00:12:08.400 I can't remember.

00:12:08.940 He's at the National Security Council.

00:12:10.800 I think he's in charge

00:12:11.860 of scrolling Twitter.

00:12:13.160 I think that was his official.

00:12:15.380 Supposedly,

00:12:15.500 he's counter-terror,

00:12:16.240 he's the counter-terrorism guy,

00:12:17.640 right?

00:12:18.660 And,

00:12:19.240 I'm like,

00:12:20.060 oh,

00:12:20.200 this is great.

00:12:21.240 We got a guy

00:12:22.080 that's running

00:12:22.680 counter-terrorism

00:12:23.860 for the entire 1.00

00:12:24.600 fucking country 1.00

00:12:25.440 when, 1.00

00:12:25.820 when,

00:12:26.240 when the borders

00:12:26.960 have been wide open

00:12:28.080 for four years.

00:12:29.260 We know there's

00:12:29.880 at least a thousand

00:12:31.360 terrorists

00:12:35.300 within the country

00:12:36.600 setting up cells,

00:12:37.860 and this guy

00:12:38.500 gets his information

00:12:39.460 from an internet troll,

00:12:40.760 Ryan McBeth,

00:12:41.460 who's already come out

00:12:43.200 and,

00:12:43.580 and apologized to me,

00:12:44.980 and I'm like,

00:12:45.420 oh,

00:12:45.640 this is perfect.

00:12:46.880 This is where intel

00:12:47.760 is going to come from,

00:12:48.540 from counter-terrorism,

00:12:49.680 a guy that gets his information

00:12:50.720 from Ryan.

00:12:52.020 If it makes you feel better,

00:12:53.300 I mean,

00:12:53.640 Gorka is not taken seriously

00:12:55.780 by anyone who knows him,

00:12:56.880 I think,

00:12:57.180 including his wife,

00:12:58.200 and,

00:12:58.880 um,

00:12:59.700 he's a very,

00:13:00.140 he's a nice person

00:13:00.780 for whatever it's worth.

00:13:01.680 Um,

00:13:02.860 and I,

00:13:03.460 I think his job

00:13:04.760 literally is just to

00:13:05.980 sit on the internet

00:13:07.340 and,

00:13:08.320 like,

00:13:08.700 send,

00:13:09.240 you know,

00:13:09.600 fiery replies to people

00:13:10.940 on X.

00:13:11.440 I mean,

00:13:11.560 I don't think he actually

00:13:12.280 has a job.

00:13:13.180 Oh,

00:13:13.380 well,

00:13:13.680 then I guess

00:13:14.120 he's the perfect guy

00:13:14.880 for the job.

00:13:15.900 It really is.

00:13:17.260 I assume

00:13:17.840 there's someone else

00:13:18.780 working on,

00:13:19.400 uh,

00:13:19.600 counter-terrorism.

00:13:20.600 The people in charge

00:13:21.540 want you to be weak.

00:13:22.660 It's obvious. 0.99

00:13:24.180 Fat, 0.99

00:13:24.820 weak, 1.00

00:13:25.420 passive. 0.98

00:13:26.040 Take your pills.

00:13:27.760 Why do they want this?

00:13:28.720 Because you'll be easier

00:13:29.380 to control.

00:13:30.100 No thanks.

00:13:31.280 So our friends at Beam,

00:13:32.440 which is a proud

00:13:33.040 American company,

00:13:34.260 understand that America

00:13:35.360 can only be strong

00:13:36.380 if its people are strong.

00:13:37.860 And they're working

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00:16:07.980 So for people

00:16:16.940 who missed it,

00:16:17.520 which would

00:16:17.840 include pretty much

00:16:18.920 nobody since it

00:16:19.680 was the biggest

00:16:20.080 story,

00:16:20.740 for sure,

00:16:22.200 that week,

00:16:23.220 the guy who

00:16:25.520 blew up

00:16:26.560 his Tesla

00:16:28.280 with himself

00:16:28.820 inside,

00:16:30.100 outside Trump Tower,

00:16:31.540 you got his

00:16:32.980 manifesto.

00:16:34.380 Mm-hmm.

00:16:34.700 Can you just

00:16:35.800 give us a refresher

00:16:37.260 on what that said?

00:16:38.080 Yeah, so

00:16:38.760 a little rusty

00:16:40.640 on it,

00:16:41.060 but in the manifesto,

00:16:42.800 he had basically

00:16:43.760 sent this guy,

00:16:46.480 Sam Shoemade,

00:16:47.380 who was an

00:16:47.920 Army Intel guy,

00:16:50.680 a manifesto,

00:16:51.580 and said that

00:16:51.940 he wanted to come

00:16:53.260 on the

00:16:54.340 Sean Ryan Show

00:16:55.080 podcast

00:16:55.540 to talk about

00:16:57.260 all these things.

00:16:58.720 And then he goes

00:16:59.300 into,

00:17:00.240 this was right

00:17:00.980 about the time

00:17:01.600 that the New Jersey

00:17:02.340 drone situation

00:17:03.260 was going on

00:17:03.940 that nobody

00:17:04.420 could tell us

00:17:07.020 what that was.

00:17:08.260 And he had

00:17:09.280 mentioned that

00:17:10.060 we have some

00:17:11.720 type of

00:17:12.620 anti-gravitic

00:17:13.880 propulsion systems

00:17:16.160 that had been,

00:17:17.780 that had not

00:17:18.440 been declassified

00:17:19.520 and that China

00:17:20.220 has something

00:17:21.040 similar,

00:17:22.140 and this would

00:17:23.100 cause World War 0.94

00:17:24.660 III.

00:17:25.720 And then

00:17:26.240 there's another

00:17:27.140 paragraph that

00:17:28.080 talks about

00:17:29.220 there was

00:17:32.100 a major

00:17:33.940 offensive

00:17:35.220 in Afghanistan

00:17:36.720 several years

00:17:38.640 ago where

00:17:39.140 they basically

00:17:40.360 wiped out

00:17:41.340 a heroin

00:17:43.540 plant

00:17:44.020 and

00:17:45.220 used a lot

00:17:48.320 of air

00:17:48.560 power to do

00:17:49.240 it.

00:17:49.580 It sounds like

00:17:50.020 there was a

00:17:50.980 JTAC

00:17:51.440 and a small

00:17:51.900 team

00:17:52.320 of special

00:17:53.600 ops

00:17:54.000 and they

00:17:54.840 had bombed

00:17:55.620 all of these

00:17:56.560 different little

00:17:57.400 facilities

00:17:58.000 going on

00:17:58.960 and probably

00:17:59.560 killed a lot

00:18:00.140 of innocent

00:18:00.520 people.

00:18:02.140 And that's

00:18:02.600 actually,

00:18:03.480 because when

00:18:04.660 we looked

00:18:05.040 into it,

00:18:05.560 I was like,

00:18:06.000 I don't know,

00:18:06.620 this anti-gravitic 1.00

00:18:07.640 shit, 1.00

00:18:08.080 this kind of 1.00

00:18:08.680 weird,

00:18:09.580 you know,

00:18:10.080 I mean,

00:18:10.620 there's a lot

00:18:11.160 of chatter

00:18:11.740 about it on

00:18:12.300 the internet

00:18:12.620 like we had

00:18:13.160 talked about

00:18:13.600 last night,

00:18:14.180 but I don't

00:18:15.320 know.

00:18:15.520 I kind of

00:18:16.180 think now

00:18:16.780 that that's

00:18:17.200 all just

00:18:17.520 a big

00:18:17.780 distraction.

00:18:18.400 But when

00:18:18.640 we looked

00:18:19.000 into the

00:18:19.500 whatever you

00:18:21.740 want to

00:18:21.980 call them,

00:18:22.420 but for

00:18:22.800 lack of a

00:18:23.280 better term,

00:18:23.880 war crimes,

00:18:24.540 I don't

00:18:24.800 know about

00:18:25.460 the operation,

00:18:26.300 right?

00:18:26.500 I mean,

00:18:26.860 I'm not

00:18:27.460 saying we

00:18:27.860 should have

00:18:28.380 or should

00:18:28.840 not have

00:18:30.000 bombed

00:18:31.560 that facility.

00:18:32.600 I mean,

00:18:32.800 obviously,

00:18:33.400 it's bad

00:18:34.280 and it's a

00:18:34.860 major moneymaker

00:18:36.160 for terrorist

00:18:36.980 organizations.

00:18:38.380 But when

00:18:39.640 we dug

00:18:40.000 into it,

00:18:40.600 there was a

00:18:41.080 UN report

00:18:41.780 that talked

00:18:42.840 about that

00:18:43.340 specific night

00:18:44.300 and that

00:18:45.220 the UN

00:18:46.720 had,

00:18:47.160 I believe,

00:18:48.440 did they

00:18:48.700 open an

00:18:49.020 investigation?

00:18:49.800 I think

00:18:50.040 they opened

00:18:50.380 an investigation

00:18:50.980 on it

00:18:51.740 because it

00:18:53.320 was against,

00:18:55.600 I don't know

00:18:56.060 if it was

00:18:56.420 Geneva Convention

00:18:57.140 or what it

00:18:58.240 was,

00:18:58.760 but you

00:19:00.100 could not

00:19:00.900 bomb drug

00:19:03.520 factories with

00:19:04.560 civilians in

00:19:05.260 it.

00:19:06.040 And so it

00:19:06.700 had talked

00:19:07.120 about how

00:19:08.560 many targets

00:19:09.380 and innocents

00:19:10.520 were killed

00:19:10.980 and I was

00:19:11.400 like,

00:19:11.700 oh,

00:19:11.960 so this

00:19:12.340 actually lines

00:19:14.000 up.

00:19:15.220 with what

00:19:15.900 this guy

00:19:16.220 is saying

00:19:16.540 on the

00:19:16.820 email,

00:19:17.260 which,

00:19:17.540 you know,

00:19:17.860 maybe,

00:19:18.820 maybe not

00:19:19.380 gives,

00:19:20.020 you know,

00:19:21.120 the previous

00:19:21.600 thing that

00:19:22.100 we were

00:19:22.280 talking about

00:19:22.800 a little

00:19:23.020 more validity.

00:19:24.600 So anyway,

00:19:26.440 so yeah,

00:19:27.780 I got,

00:19:28.280 what was the

00:19:28.820 question?

00:19:29.860 What was that?

00:19:30.720 So you,

00:19:31.220 it sounds like

00:19:31.820 you take the

00:19:32.720 manifesto seriously,

00:19:33.640 you think it's

00:19:34.180 real.

00:19:35.380 The guy

00:19:36.060 actually wrote

00:19:36.740 it.

00:19:37.040 Well,

00:19:37.180 then,

00:19:37.540 you know,

00:19:37.940 then the other

00:19:38.420 weird thing

00:19:38.960 that gave it

00:19:39.500 a lot of

00:19:40.000 validity

00:19:40.340 is because

00:19:41.580 we,

00:19:42.800 so when

00:19:43.620 that interview

00:19:44.220 came up,

00:19:45.280 popped up on

00:19:45.780 my radar,

00:19:46.360 walked in

00:19:46.960 to the

00:19:47.700 studio,

00:19:48.260 getting ready

00:19:48.640 to interview

00:19:49.080 somebody,

00:19:50.320 Jeremy,

00:19:50.720 my producer,

00:19:51.280 comes to me

00:19:52.060 and says,

00:19:52.500 hey,

00:19:52.600 we got a

00:19:53.000 guy on

00:19:53.360 this Tesla

00:19:53.840 bomber thing

00:19:54.420 and I'm

00:19:54.660 like,

00:19:54.960 I don't

00:19:56.180 know,

00:19:56.440 man,

00:19:56.640 we get

00:19:56.920 thousands

00:19:57.520 and thousands

00:19:58.300 and thousands

00:19:59.120 of emails

00:19:59.760 of people

00:20:01.080 that want to

00:20:01.560 come clean

00:20:02.100 on something

00:20:02.660 or expose

00:20:03.280 something and,

00:20:04.300 you know,

00:20:04.640 probably 99%

00:20:06.360 of it is 1.00

00:20:06.880 bullshit 1.00

00:20:07.300 and, 1.00

00:20:08.800 you know,

00:20:09.340 it's just

00:20:09.600 somebody looking

00:20:10.120 for it.

00:20:10.140 There is a

00:20:10.460 mental health

00:20:10.880 crisis.

00:20:11.620 Yeah,

00:20:11.800 definitely.

00:20:13.440 But,

00:20:13.720 so I was

00:20:14.480 really apprehensive

00:20:15.660 to do it

00:20:16.280 and,

00:20:17.220 and,

00:20:18.700 and Jeremy

00:20:19.360 was,

00:20:19.820 was new

00:20:20.600 at the time

00:20:21.160 and I didn't

00:20:21.940 100%

00:20:22.720 trust him

00:20:23.340 yet and I

00:20:23.760 was like,

00:20:24.220 ah,

00:20:24.860 he's like,

00:20:25.240 I think,

00:20:25.600 Jeremy,

00:20:25.980 this guy

00:20:26.280 right over here

00:20:27.000 and,

00:20:28.000 but he was

00:20:29.320 hell-bent on

00:20:30.000 it and so

00:20:31.380 we,

00:20:32.020 we did a

00:20:33.360 call with

00:20:33.740 Sam and

00:20:34.900 he didn't

00:20:35.380 want to come

00:20:35.740 on and

00:20:36.340 and when

00:20:36.780 he didn't

00:20:37.100 want to

00:20:37.320 come on,

00:20:37.780 I was like,

00:20:39.040 I like that.

00:20:40.060 Okay,

00:20:41.040 it's playing

00:20:41.660 hard to get.

00:20:42.540 All right,

00:20:42.820 so he wanted

00:20:43.440 to go visit

00:20:45.560 his,

00:20:46.200 a family

00:20:46.900 member of

00:20:47.800 his and

00:20:48.940 he's like,

00:20:49.340 look,

00:20:49.520 I just want 0.87

00:20:49.980 to go hang

00:20:50.440 out with

00:20:50.740 this family

00:20:51.160 member.

00:20:51.600 I don't

00:20:51.740 want to be

00:20:52.080 there and

00:20:52.420 I said,

00:20:52.800 hey,

00:20:52.980 okay,

00:20:53.580 look,

00:20:53.960 we'll,

00:20:54.320 we'll book

00:20:55.340 you a flight

00:20:55.900 here and

00:20:56.720 book your

00:20:57.140 flight to

00:20:58.420 where you're

00:20:58.740 going and

00:20:59.760 this should

00:21:00.080 only take

00:21:00.600 a couple

00:21:01.200 hours and

00:21:02.580 he was like,

00:21:03.420 all right,

00:21:03.680 well,

00:21:03.800 let me think

00:21:04.160 about it and

00:21:05.260 then got

00:21:05.900 back when I

00:21:06.420 was doing

00:21:06.700 the interview

00:21:07.100 and wanted

00:21:07.440 to come

00:21:07.740 on.

00:21:08.500 Well,

00:21:08.600 I get,

00:21:09.160 so Jeremy

00:21:09.620 tells me on

00:21:10.240 a break,

00:21:10.760 hey,

00:21:11.040 we've got

00:21:11.580 him,

00:21:11.760 he's going

00:21:12.040 to be here

00:21:12.520 first thing

00:21:13.100 in the

00:21:13.340 morning.

00:21:15.180 Well,

00:21:15.620 I get done

00:21:16.100 with the

00:21:16.460 interview and

00:21:17.720 I look at

00:21:18.040 my phone and

00:21:18.680 all these

00:21:19.000 people are

00:21:20.060 texting me

00:21:20.860 about the

00:21:21.700 interview I'm

00:21:22.560 about to

00:21:23.000 do and

00:21:24.220 they're like,

00:21:24.760 hey,

00:21:25.680 you know,

00:21:26.100 there's this

00:21:26.880 DEA agent

00:21:29.500 that was on

00:21:30.760 the op and

00:21:31.540 his name was

00:21:32.240 actually listed

00:21:33.000 in the email

00:21:33.680 and they

00:21:35.380 were like,

00:21:35.780 he doesn't

00:21:36.260 want his

00:21:37.060 name to

00:21:37.440 come out

00:21:37.860 because he's

00:21:38.400 still active

00:21:39.100 and I'm

00:21:40.500 like,

00:21:42.120 you know,

00:21:42.400 I'm not

00:21:42.900 going to

00:21:43.240 burn 0.98

00:21:43.680 somebody that's 0.97

00:21:45.940 still active

00:21:46.940 in undercover

00:21:47.940 operations.

00:21:48.960 I mean,

00:21:49.120 that could get 0.99

00:21:49.980 him killed 1.00

00:21:50.480 and his 0.95

00:21:53.480 family killed,

00:21:54.080 so I'm not

00:21:54.620 going to do

00:21:55.020 that.

00:21:55.340 I'm not

00:21:55.580 going to

00:21:55.820 dabble in

00:21:56.480 stuff that

00:21:57.080 we're working

00:21:57.540 on,

00:21:57.880 but at

00:22:01.440 the same

00:22:01.840 time,

00:22:02.220 it may be

00:22:02.640 extremely

00:22:03.240 paranoid.

00:22:04.020 I'm like, 0.59

00:22:04.380 how the hell

00:22:05.200 does everybody

00:22:05.760 know that I'm

00:22:06.600 getting ready

00:22:06.980 to do this?

00:22:07.740 So then I'm

00:22:08.240 thinking all

00:22:09.340 the people

00:22:10.560 that are

00:22:10.860 texting me

00:22:11.560 are controlled

00:22:12.980 assets or

00:22:13.760 something.

00:22:14.660 And then we

00:22:14.980 had another

00:22:17.320 friend of mine

00:22:18.060 send me a

00:22:19.060 text and

00:22:20.420 he says,

00:22:21.860 hey,

00:22:22.380 the Army's

00:22:24.280 public affair

00:22:24.960 officer wants

00:22:25.660 to talk to

00:22:26.220 you about

00:22:26.540 tomorrow's

00:22:27.080 interview.

00:22:28.500 And I

00:22:28.640 called him

00:22:29.140 up and

00:22:30.580 reamed his 1.00

00:22:31.180 ass and 1.00

00:22:31.720 I'm like, 0.99

00:22:32.160 why the 0.99

00:22:32.840 fuck are 1.00

00:22:33.160 you texting 1.00

00:22:33.580 me this 1.00

00:22:33.980 shit? 1.00

00:22:34.280 If the 1.00

00:22:34.520 Army PAO

00:22:35.360 wants to

00:22:35.700 get a

00:22:35.940 hold of

00:22:36.180 me,

00:22:36.340 I've got

00:22:36.720 a website,

00:22:37.460 I've got

00:22:37.740 social,

00:22:38.180 I've got

00:22:38.440 all these

00:22:38.840 things that

00:22:39.380 he can

00:22:39.620 get a

00:22:39.920 hold of

00:22:40.220 me at.

00:22:41.660 And why

00:22:42.400 is he

00:22:42.780 using you

00:22:43.480 to get

00:22:43.860 to me?

00:22:44.200 And why

00:22:44.520 have you

00:22:44.840 inserted

00:22:45.380 yourself

00:22:46.200 into my

00:22:47.420 business?

00:22:48.760 I'm sure

00:22:50.240 you get

00:22:50.660 it.

00:22:50.920 When you're

00:22:52.480 uncovering

00:22:53.080 some of

00:22:53.340 this stuff,

00:22:53.920 it can

00:22:54.680 cause some

00:22:56.900 extreme

00:22:57.360 paranoia.

00:22:57.880 paranoia on

00:22:59.580 who your

00:22:59.940 friends are

00:23:00.540 and what

00:23:00.840 their

00:23:01.000 motivations

00:23:01.500 are and

00:23:02.340 who's

00:23:03.960 flipped.

00:23:04.360 And so I

00:23:06.860 wouldn't talk

00:23:07.320 to him.

00:23:07.920 I said,

00:23:08.300 I'm not

00:23:08.540 talking to

00:23:09.000 him, but

00:23:09.300 I'll pass

00:23:09.780 the number

00:23:10.160 to my

00:23:10.600 attorney and

00:23:11.340 Jeremy and

00:23:12.100 they can

00:23:12.380 talk to

00:23:12.800 him.

00:23:12.960 and then

00:23:13.700 when they

00:23:14.000 talked to

00:23:14.500 him,

00:23:15.220 they wanted

00:23:19.200 to place

00:23:21.240 it on

00:23:21.980 PTSD,

00:23:23.320 which wound

00:23:23.820 up being

00:23:24.180 the ultimate

00:23:24.700 narrative from

00:23:25.460 the mainstream

00:23:26.500 media, right?

00:23:27.340 PTSD.

00:23:28.520 It being

00:23:29.240 the motive

00:23:30.320 for killing 0.90

00:23:31.600 himself.

00:23:32.020 Yeah, I

00:23:32.500 mean, I

00:23:32.800 think that

00:23:33.200 they used

00:23:33.700 PTSD to

00:23:36.620 basically

00:23:38.420 insinuate that

00:23:39.500 he is a 1.00

00:23:40.280 crazy person. 0.99

00:23:41.760 But, I 0.94

00:23:42.460 mean, pretty 0.88

00:23:43.180 much everybody

00:23:45.000 I know and

00:23:45.640 have worked

00:23:46.060 with, all

00:23:46.420 my former

00:23:46.860 colleagues, I

00:23:47.480 mean, we

00:23:47.740 all have

00:23:48.280 that.

00:23:49.360 And I'm not

00:23:50.240 going to say

00:23:50.600 we're not

00:23:50.920 crazy, but

00:23:51.860 not crazy

00:23:54.040 like that.

00:23:54.660 I mean, it's

00:23:55.720 just a

00:23:56.760 condition and

00:23:57.560 he can get

00:23:58.100 over it.

00:23:59.460 And he

00:24:00.980 wasn't crazy.

00:24:01.940 I mean, he

00:24:02.700 obviously wanted

00:24:03.460 to send some

00:24:04.100 type of a

00:24:04.560 message.

00:24:05.020 I mean, you

00:24:05.300 got a

00:24:06.000 Green Beret

00:24:07.360 with a full

00:24:08.120 career in

00:24:09.640 special operations,

00:24:10.580 definitely knows

00:24:11.760 demolition.

00:24:14.020 And there

00:24:15.140 is no way

00:24:15.820 in hell that

00:24:16.580 a lifelong

00:24:20.000 Green Beret

00:24:21.140 would put a 0.97

00:24:21.940 bomb inside 0.99

00:24:22.880 of a

00:24:23.460 bulletproof

00:24:24.180 truck to

00:24:25.720 take out

00:24:26.560 Trump Tower 1.00

00:24:27.260 or kill a 1.00

00:24:27.820 bunch of 1.00

00:24:28.060 people.

00:24:28.440 I mean, it

00:24:28.720 was obviously

00:24:29.320 he just

00:24:30.380 wanted to

00:24:30.700 get some

00:24:31.000 attention and

00:24:32.020 get whatever

00:24:33.100 the message

00:24:33.580 that he was

00:24:34.060 trying to

00:24:34.380 get out,

00:24:35.040 out.

00:24:36.220 And so

00:24:38.100 that's what

00:24:38.440 I think.

00:24:38.780 We could

00:24:39.060 have just

00:24:39.340 tweeted about

00:24:39.980 it.

00:24:40.460 You know, he

00:24:40.840 didn't have

00:24:41.260 to kill

00:24:41.580 himself. 1.00

00:24:42.100 So that's

00:24:42.420 a pretty

00:24:42.700 extreme,

00:24:43.520 pretty extreme

00:24:44.600 thing.

00:24:45.920 Most extreme

00:24:47.180 thing possible.

00:24:48.440 What do you

00:24:48.860 think his

00:24:49.180 motive really

00:24:49.680 was?

00:24:51.620 Like I

00:24:52.180 said, I

00:24:52.540 don't, I

00:24:52.920 think he

00:24:53.620 wanted to

00:24:54.020 bring attention

00:24:54.620 to the

00:24:54.980 topics that

00:24:55.700 he had

00:24:56.220 and the

00:24:57.320 anti-gravity

00:24:58.120 technology.

00:24:58.300 The anti-gravitic 0.86

00:24:59.600 propulsion system.

00:25:01.640 And we

00:25:03.320 looked into

00:25:03.760 that and

00:25:04.160 all we

00:25:04.420 could find

00:25:04.860 is sci-fi 1.00

00:25:05.480 shit. 1.00

00:25:06.560 But do you 1.00

00:25:07.760 think any of

00:25:08.120 it's real?

00:25:08.980 I mean, you've

00:25:09.400 interviewed people.

00:25:10.440 In fact, the

00:25:11.720 first show I

00:25:12.440 ever saw of

00:25:13.000 yours was

00:25:13.540 with a

00:25:15.240 building

00:25:15.520 contractor who

00:25:16.500 said he ran

00:25:17.200 across anti-gravity

00:25:18.880 technology in a

00:25:19.980 military facility.

00:25:20.840 Do I think

00:25:23.800 anti-gravitic

00:25:24.680 propulsion systems

00:25:25.720 are real?

00:25:26.300 I don't know.

00:25:27.140 I mean, do you

00:25:28.740 think there are

00:25:29.360 significant

00:25:30.300 technologies,

00:25:32.620 next generation

00:25:33.380 energy,

00:25:34.440 anti-gravity that

00:25:35.400 the U.S.

00:25:35.900 government?

00:25:36.660 Oh, 100%.

00:25:37.820 I mean, we

00:25:38.280 just, yes, I

00:25:40.020 do.

00:25:40.400 I think that all

00:25:41.680 this alien

00:25:43.220 extraterrestrial 1.00

00:25:44.420 shit, I mean, 0.99

00:25:45.520 it's fun to 1.00

00:25:48.480 dig down

00:25:48.980 there, but

00:25:49.660 I mean, I

00:25:51.060 think it's a

00:25:51.480 big distraction.

00:25:52.960 I don't know

00:25:53.340 if it's meant

00:25:53.880 to be some

00:25:54.940 type of a

00:25:55.400 controlled op,

00:25:56.380 but I

00:25:57.400 think it

00:25:57.800 is, I

00:25:59.520 think all

00:25:59.960 this stuff is

00:26:00.480 spiritual.

00:26:01.500 That's what I

00:26:02.060 think.

00:26:02.320 Of course it

00:26:02.780 is.

00:26:02.900 I think all

00:26:03.220 this stuff is

00:26:03.740 spiritual, all

00:26:04.380 these things

00:26:04.800 that people are

00:26:05.280 seeing and

00:26:05.720 stuff, I

00:26:06.060 think there's

00:26:06.800 a spirituality

00:26:07.980 component to

00:26:09.040 it.

00:26:09.880 Now, these

00:26:10.480 are angels

00:26:10.960 and demons,

00:26:11.800 or what?

00:26:12.200 Yeah, pretty

00:26:12.400 much.

00:26:12.900 Yeah.

00:26:13.000 And where

00:26:17.040 was I going

00:26:17.520 with this?

00:26:18.460 And anti-gravitic

00:26:19.980 propulsion systems,

00:26:21.180 I mean, yeah,

00:26:22.160 I think we, I

00:26:23.360 mean, I would

00:26:24.400 hope that we 1.00

00:26:25.000 have shit that 0.99

00:26:25.860 is next 1.00

00:26:27.400 generation stuff

00:26:28.380 that's not, you

00:26:29.480 know, the same 0.99

00:26:30.080 shit we've been 1.00

00:26:30.600 using since 0.99

00:26:31.140 World War II.

00:26:32.420 Yeah, so the

00:26:33.220 only real

00:26:33.780 technological

00:26:34.360 advances in

00:26:35.100 80 years are

00:26:35.780 like the

00:26:36.780 iPhone, you

00:26:38.240 know?

00:26:38.680 Yeah.

00:26:39.080 Well, I mean,

00:26:39.700 we have advances.

00:26:40.640 Like, we just

00:26:41.300 interviewed this

00:26:41.980 guy, Steve

00:26:42.980 Quast.

00:26:44.380 And do you

00:26:45.440 know Steve

00:26:45.860 Quast?

00:26:46.440 No. 1.00

00:26:46.840 Holy shit. 1.00

00:26:48.080 Fascinating 1.00

00:26:48.580 guy.

00:26:49.520 But he

00:26:50.880 talks about

00:26:51.740 how, he

00:26:53.420 talks about

00:26:53.900 next generation

00:26:54.620 energy and

00:26:56.420 the fight that

00:26:57.300 the utilities

00:26:57.860 companies don't

00:26:58.620 want us to

00:26:59.000 have new

00:26:59.360 energy.

00:26:59.760 But anyways,

00:27:00.340 what this guy

00:27:00.840 does is he

00:27:01.740 has a company

00:27:03.680 called Space

00:27:04.740 Built, I

00:27:05.440 believe.

00:27:06.400 And so he

00:27:07.400 has basically

00:27:08.420 created a

00:27:09.120 logistics company

00:27:10.200 where instead

00:27:12.360 of launching

00:27:13.320 one satellite

00:27:14.300 up, he

00:27:15.480 can, which

00:27:17.100 he says

00:27:18.520 that's

00:27:19.160 extremely

00:27:20.200 expensive

00:27:20.820 and

00:27:22.400 sometimes

00:27:24.160 they break

00:27:25.060 and they're

00:27:25.800 fragile and

00:27:26.920 they have to

00:27:27.320 make the

00:27:27.660 satellites

00:27:28.120 bulletproof,

00:27:29.040 which is a

00:27:29.520 ton of

00:27:29.980 weight because

00:27:31.120 they have to

00:27:32.000 be able to

00:27:32.620 withstand going

00:27:34.680 through the

00:27:35.020 atmosphere.

00:27:35.400 And so what

00:27:37.300 he's done

00:27:37.860 is he is

00:27:39.560 building a

00:27:40.060 logistics company

00:27:40.900 where they

00:27:41.380 don't have to

00:27:41.940 make the

00:27:42.260 satellites

00:27:42.720 bulletproof.

00:27:43.500 You can

00:27:43.760 make them

00:27:44.220 ten times

00:27:44.960 bigger than

00:27:45.760 the satellites

00:27:46.340 that we

00:27:46.680 have and

00:27:48.360 you launch

00:27:49.060 them up in

00:27:49.520 sections and

00:27:51.480 pack them

00:27:52.100 safely so

00:27:53.240 that they can

00:27:53.680 make the trip

00:27:54.180 without having

00:27:54.780 all that extra

00:27:55.400 weight to be

00:27:56.000 bulletproof.

00:27:57.420 And then his

00:27:58.480 company would

00:27:59.140 actually assemble

00:28:00.100 those through

00:28:01.020 laser robotics

00:28:02.880 in space.

00:28:04.960 And so what

00:28:05.480 he says is

00:28:07.380 possible is,

00:28:09.620 and I believe

00:28:10.160 him, I mean

00:28:10.920 he's got the

00:28:12.320 right background

00:28:13.680 to be talking

00:28:14.260 about this

00:28:14.700 stuff.

00:28:15.760 And so what

00:28:16.620 he says we

00:28:17.900 can do, and

00:28:18.600 we already have

00:28:19.420 the technology,

00:28:20.380 is basically they

00:28:20.860 would put these

00:28:21.500 ginormous

00:28:22.200 satellites up

00:28:23.440 into orbit and

00:28:25.360 they would be

00:28:26.380 solar, but it

00:28:28.380 would actually be

00:28:29.520 a reliable,

00:28:30.640 renewable energy

00:28:31.460 source because

00:28:32.180 there's no

00:28:32.580 clouds, there's

00:28:33.240 no atmosphere,

00:28:34.600 there's no air

00:28:35.140 particles getting

00:28:35.940 in the way to

00:28:36.500 collect that

00:28:37.240 radiation from

00:28:37.960 the sun.

00:28:38.520 It would

00:28:39.120 convert it from

00:28:40.180 solar into

00:28:41.020 some type of

00:28:42.200 a radio wave

00:28:44.060 and you could

00:28:44.840 beam it down

00:28:45.900 onto the

00:28:48.520 earth to a,

00:28:50.140 I can't remember

00:28:50.600 what we called it,

00:28:51.300 but it sounded

00:28:51.700 like an antenna.

00:28:53.060 So he basically

00:28:53.700 put this antenna

00:28:54.600 that receives

00:28:55.360 energy, and

00:28:57.180 then it would

00:28:58.760 pump it back

00:28:59.460 into the grid.

00:29:01.140 And I was

00:29:02.280 just, but he,

00:29:03.200 but.

00:29:03.660 So like a

00:29:04.100 solar farm in

00:29:04.680 space.

00:29:05.160 Yes, yes.

00:29:07.020 And I mean,

00:29:09.640 he had talked

00:29:10.140 about that, and

00:29:10.720 it's just like,

00:29:11.300 man, like what?

00:29:13.020 Wow, this could

00:29:14.500 be the answer.

00:29:15.540 I mean, we

00:29:15.940 could make

00:29:16.500 earth, I mean,

00:29:17.460 I think Elon

00:29:18.260 said, right, we

00:29:19.140 could make earth

00:29:19.900 into a park,

00:29:20.700 was that him?

00:29:22.180 And, but I

00:29:23.020 mean, you

00:29:24.000 could take out

00:29:24.500 all the eyesores,

00:29:25.540 all the huge

00:29:26.140 solar farms that

00:29:27.160 you see all over

00:29:27.860 the country, the

00:29:28.600 wind, the oil and

00:29:29.760 gas, like it

00:29:30.440 could all be

00:29:31.520 gone, and

00:29:33.120 you could do

00:29:33.520 it this way,

00:29:34.960 and.

00:29:36.140 Would you get

00:29:36.480 green energy tax

00:29:37.300 credits for it?

00:29:39.200 I don't know.

00:29:40.080 I think that,

00:29:40.480 that's kind of the

00:29:41.160 goal here.

00:29:41.900 I don't think it's

00:29:42.420 actually to power

00:29:44.380 civilization or keep

00:29:46.160 the earth clean.

00:29:47.160 I think it's, it's

00:29:48.280 the tax credits

00:29:48.980 drive all this

00:29:49.600 stuff.

00:29:49.900 It's just greed. 0.66

00:29:51.240 It's the ugliest

00:29:52.000 kind of greed.

00:29:52.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:53.760 But I mean, so

00:29:54.900 anyways, you know,

00:29:56.000 that's next

00:29:57.180 generation power

00:29:58.040 right there.

00:29:58.820 And they said

00:29:59.420 that China's 0.96

00:30:00.080 building a nuclear

00:30:01.000 power plant in

00:30:01.880 space, and they're

00:30:02.560 mining helium-3 off

00:30:03.860 the, off the

00:30:05.180 backside of the

00:30:06.020 moon.

00:30:06.980 And, uh,

00:30:08.380 sounds like, I'm

00:30:09.480 not terribly

00:30:10.020 familiar with

00:30:10.660 helium-3, but it

00:30:11.620 sounds like that

00:30:12.340 is, um, that's

00:30:15.700 also next

00:30:16.620 generation power

00:30:17.520 that can, that

00:30:18.400 can cool, um,

00:30:21.340 data centers,

00:30:22.900 AI stuff, and,

00:30:24.880 and, and it

00:30:25.700 would really take

00:30:26.320 us to the next

00:30:26.820 level of energy.

00:30:28.280 But, then he

00:30:30.040 goes on to talk

00:30:30.860 about how we're

00:30:31.560 falling behind on,

00:30:34.180 from China with

00:30:35.620 energy production.

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00:33:31.720 So, this, Al, Al, come

00:33:35.160 here.

00:33:36.480 Sorry about that.

00:33:37.800 So, this story and the

00:33:42.480 weird way that it happened,

00:33:44.660 you know, you get the

00:33:45.280 manifesto from the guy who

00:33:46.280 kills himself in the

00:33:47.520 cyber truck.

00:33:48.900 All these other people know

00:33:49.960 that you're about to do an

00:33:50.760 interview on it.

00:33:52.400 Were you worried you were

00:33:53.760 going to get hurt in that

00:33:55.500 moment?

00:33:55.740 I don't know if it's

00:34:02.000 hurt.

00:34:02.620 You know, I don't really

00:34:08.160 care about me, but I worry

00:34:11.500 about my family.

00:34:13.800 Of course.

00:34:14.620 And so, you know, it's

00:34:18.660 always an afterthought.

00:34:20.200 The only one that I've done

00:34:21.560 that I'm like, oof, I don't

00:34:23.400 know if I should be doing

00:34:24.200 this before was the

00:34:26.200 Romania one that I was

00:34:27.200 telling you about the

00:34:27.880 other day.

00:34:29.200 And what was the

00:34:29.960 Romania interview?

00:34:30.740 The Georgescu interview

00:34:32.040 where they, they yanked

00:34:33.660 him out of the election.

00:34:35.280 But it's always an

00:34:37.220 afterthought, you know,

00:34:38.320 after the interview, I'm 0.99

00:34:39.480 like, oh, shit. 0.99

00:34:41.520 I don't know if we should 1.00

00:34:42.840 throw this one out. 0.83

00:34:44.440 And because, you know,

00:34:45.680 the FBI would have never

00:34:47.840 come out and given any

00:34:49.960 validity to the email, to

00:34:52.100 the manifesto, and they

00:34:53.840 and I think that, I

00:34:55.440 don't think I know that

00:34:57.420 the interview, because it

00:34:58.940 got five million views and

00:35:00.880 I don't know how many

00:35:02.020 listens in just, you

00:35:04.940 know, a couple of days.

00:35:06.860 And so, you know, when I

00:35:09.260 see that kind of traction

00:35:11.200 on something, I'm like, 0.99

00:35:12.300 oh, shit, I really kicked 0.99

00:35:13.760 over a big rock here. 0.99

00:35:15.420 I wonder what the

00:35:16.260 repercussions of this are

00:35:17.340 going to be.

00:35:17.920 If you're traveling to

00:35:18.840 Romania to interview a

00:35:20.480 candidate who's been

00:35:21.380 knocked out of the race

00:35:22.140 by NATO, you know, all

00:35:24.940 of a sudden, you're no

00:35:26.420 longer really a

00:35:27.140 podcaster.

00:35:28.660 You're like a player in

00:35:30.460 global politics.

00:35:31.360 I just want to be a

00:35:31.900 podcaster.

00:35:32.780 But I mean, the kind of...

00:35:33.980 I'm only feeding my own

00:35:36.020 curiosity.

00:35:37.060 For sure.

00:35:37.960 But the second you start,

00:35:39.660 you know, tampering with

00:35:41.720 the way things are, then

00:35:43.000 you become a problem and

00:35:45.720 therefore a fair game.

00:35:46.980 No?

00:35:47.060 Yeah, I mean, we had

00:35:49.600 this discussion last

00:35:50.560 night. 1.00

00:35:50.860 I didn't sleep a fucking 0.99

00:35:52.040 wink. 0.99

00:35:53.380 I was like...

00:35:54.620 Well, I think the big

00:35:55.420 lie is...

00:35:55.960 I was like, Jeremy, I

00:35:57.060 think Tucker's trying to

00:35:58.060 tell me maybe I need to

00:35:59.160 simmer down or something.

00:35:59.780 I don't think so at all.

00:36:01.040 I just think you said

00:36:02.300 last night, I'm just a

00:36:03.360 podcaster.

00:36:04.160 I was like, I'm familiar

00:36:05.680 with that way of thinking,

00:36:06.840 but if you just take three

00:36:08.200 steps back and, you know,

00:36:11.380 if you're exposing things

00:36:12.600 that are, you know,

00:36:14.640 important things, big

00:36:15.720 things, like who gets to

00:36:17.000 run the world and, you

00:36:19.740 know, who's getting the

00:36:20.300 money, you know, I think

00:36:22.620 you're still a podcaster,

00:36:24.480 but you're also something

00:36:25.280 else.

00:36:25.760 Mm-hmm.

00:36:26.560 Right?

00:36:27.640 Yeah, I guess somewhat of

00:36:29.160 a disruptor, but, you

00:36:31.820 know, I just, when I do do

00:36:33.780 it, I lean into, I mean, I

00:36:35.860 lean into God and I really

00:36:38.460 just consider myself kind of

00:36:40.040 a conduit.

00:36:41.300 Not kind of a conduit.

00:36:42.560 I consider myself a

00:36:43.540 conduit in whatever comes

00:36:45.160 to me, they're supposed to

00:36:47.480 happen.

00:36:48.060 Yes.

00:36:48.480 And with the, like, for

00:36:50.300 example, you know, I'm

00:36:52.120 pretty new at this.

00:36:53.100 I haven't completed the

00:36:54.160 Bible or anything, but the 1.00

00:36:56.060 more that I dig into just

00:36:57.840 everything in the world, I

00:36:59.640 think that, I just think

00:37:01.560 that everything, everything

00:37:03.060 is a lie.

00:37:04.480 Everything.

00:37:05.640 I think it's all a lie.

00:37:07.200 And it's partially my job to

00:37:16.380 expose, you know, what I

00:37:18.440 know and to bring some type

00:37:21.380 of truth.

00:37:22.500 And...

00:37:22.700 Can you give me an example?

00:37:23.660 I mean, clearly Joe Biden's

00:37:24.780 health turned out to be a lie.

00:37:26.140 Yeah.

00:37:27.360 But Epstein killed himself.

00:37:30.260 Clearly a lie.

00:37:31.020 I grieve that they said

00:37:34.020 something like that in

00:37:34.860 public because I like those

00:37:36.240 guys, particularly Dan, but

00:37:37.360 that's a lie.

00:37:39.140 I bet my house on it.

00:37:41.640 But what else, when you say

00:37:43.000 everything's a lie, what are

00:37:43.940 you referring to?

00:37:45.680 I think everything is a lie.

00:37:49.520 Wow.

00:37:50.920 I think...

00:37:51.700 Why do you think that?

00:37:54.020 How could you not?

00:37:55.600 I mean, you're way deeper in

00:37:56.800 this stuff than I am.

00:37:57.780 I think it's all a show.

00:38:00.440 I think everybody is out

00:38:03.300 for themselves.

00:38:04.340 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:04.780 And it sucks. 0.97

00:38:07.420 It sucks to see that and 0.99

00:38:09.320 to know it.

00:38:10.380 And, I mean, you know,

00:38:12.700 COVID just got a lot of

00:38:15.140 people thinking, to include

00:38:16.220 me.

00:38:17.340 And then when you start

00:38:18.900 diving into...

00:38:20.900 It just leads to all these

00:38:22.920 different rabbit holes, right?

00:38:24.220 The Epstein stuff, the COVID

00:38:25.740 stuff, the...

00:38:27.780 It just...

00:38:29.260 Legitimately, everything. 1.00

00:38:31.360 The UFO, shit. 1.00

00:38:33.480 All of it. 1.00

00:38:35.540 Should we be...

00:38:37.260 I've reached a similar

00:38:38.540 conclusion by that.

00:38:39.220 I'm not making fun of you.

00:38:40.260 Of course, I agree with you.

00:38:41.480 But should we be shocked

00:38:42.460 by that?

00:38:42.960 Or does it say that really

00:38:44.600 explicitly in the New

00:38:45.640 Testament? 0.99

00:38:47.100 And, like, we're just dumb 0.99

00:38:48.420 and naive if we thought 0.99

00:38:49.380 anything other than that.

00:38:50.520 Well, I mean, and it says,

00:38:51.640 right?

00:38:51.940 I am the only truth.

00:38:53.580 I am the truth.

00:38:55.860 Yeah, and Satan runs the

00:38:56.620 world, by the way.

00:38:57.680 It says that.

00:38:59.060 And so, I think everything

00:39:01.640 is a deception.

00:39:03.580 Everything.

00:39:04.580 Maybe even our whole reality

00:39:06.220 is a deception.

00:39:10.100 So...

00:39:10.580 Like Neuralink, for example.

00:39:11.780 Yeah.

00:39:12.580 You know, I was interviewing...

00:39:14.100 What's...

00:39:14.580 Can you...

00:39:14.980 For people who don't know,

00:39:15.680 what's Neuralink?

00:39:16.640 Neuralink.

00:39:17.060 It's that chip that, you

00:39:18.260 know, they're going to put

00:39:18.840 in everybody's brain.

00:39:20.260 That sounds wholesome.

00:39:21.160 At once.

00:39:21.640 I'm pretty sick for that.

00:39:22.420 You getting one?

00:39:23.520 Am I getting one?

00:39:25.660 I don't even like electricity.

00:39:27.220 If you don't, then you'll

00:39:28.340 fall behind.

00:39:29.580 And...

00:39:29.860 I can't wait.

00:39:30.780 You know?

00:39:31.140 So, but I had...

00:39:36.580 You know, I've been

00:39:37.040 fascinated with that subject.

00:39:38.400 I would love to interview

00:39:39.200 somebody on it, but...

00:39:42.140 That is on the inside over

00:39:44.200 there, but...

00:39:45.580 You know, and I think,

00:39:47.700 yeah, you know, right?

00:39:48.520 Like, the premise right now

00:39:50.300 is to, you know, get

00:39:51.520 paralyzed people moving

00:39:52.720 again and help the blind

00:39:54.580 see, and that's all

00:39:56.380 great, but, you know, I

00:39:58.260 mean, when I found out

00:39:59.580 that it was going to help

00:40:00.960 the blind see, I was

00:40:01.840 like, wait a second, so 1.00

00:40:02.820 if you put this fucking 1.00

00:40:03.720 chip in your head and 1.00

00:40:05.340 they can help the blind

00:40:06.760 see, then wouldn't they

00:40:07.840 also be able to project

00:40:09.780 an entire false reality

00:40:13.180 in your mind?

00:40:15.100 And I had interviewed

00:40:16.200 a couple doctors about

00:40:17.940 it.

00:40:18.120 I interviewed Andrew

00:40:19.800 Huberman about it.

00:40:21.260 It just got brought up

00:40:22.480 and then talked to Ben

00:40:24.220 Carson about it.

00:40:25.520 Pretty much came to the

00:40:26.400 same conclusion.

00:40:27.860 And not only would they

00:40:29.140 be able to manipulate,

00:40:30.360 you know, vision, there

00:40:31.580 would also be emotion,

00:40:33.040 touch, smell, taste,

00:40:35.600 everything into your

00:40:38.120 head.

00:40:39.160 So, there you go right

00:40:40.340 there.

00:40:40.620 I mean, we're on the

00:40:41.300 cusp of a total

00:40:42.840 false reality.

00:40:45.460 Your entire life could

00:40:47.000 be a false reality.

00:40:50.340 People are upset about

00:40:51.500 real ID at the airport,

00:40:52.900 facial recognition,

00:40:54.260 giving others control

00:40:56.640 over your brain

00:40:57.440 neurologically.

00:41:00.060 That seems like a step

00:41:02.580 farther.

00:41:04.880 You know what I mean?

00:41:06.180 Like, just biometrics.

00:41:08.860 Do you know why they're

00:41:09.980 pushing it?

00:41:10.760 No.

00:41:11.360 I do.

00:41:12.100 Why?

00:41:13.180 This is my understanding

00:41:14.260 based on conversations

00:41:16.240 with people who are

00:41:17.520 involved in it, because

00:41:19.300 of AI.

00:41:20.820 And the blind seed,

00:41:22.460 lame walk, it's all

00:41:23.640 great.

00:41:24.600 But the real concern is

00:41:26.180 that AI is already at

00:41:28.200 this point beyond human

00:41:29.460 control.

00:41:30.380 It's already at the point

00:41:31.260 where it's lying to the

00:41:32.500 people who created it,

00:41:33.580 which suggests

00:41:34.460 consciousness.

00:41:34.980 and Neuralink

00:41:38.420 and efforts like

00:41:39.680 Neuralink

00:41:40.240 are

00:41:41.960 the people who are

00:41:44.380 running it believe

00:41:45.160 the only way for people

00:41:46.680 to keep up with AI.

00:41:48.220 Otherwise, we will be at

00:41:49.120 slaves.

00:41:50.160 See, I don't know.

00:41:50.860 I've kind of changed my

00:41:52.000 tune on that.

00:41:52.760 Maybe you know more about

00:41:53.720 it than I do.

00:41:54.320 But I mean, we feed the

00:41:55.900 data centers that power

00:41:57.680 the AI.

00:41:58.260 You know, and so, I

00:42:00.280 mean, I think that, you

00:42:01.740 know, some of the, I

00:42:03.040 don't think that now

00:42:04.380 that I understand it a

00:42:05.360 little bit better, I

00:42:06.000 don't think AI is going

00:42:07.140 to develop its own

00:42:08.060 consciousness and make

00:42:09.760 decisions for us.

00:42:11.200 I think that, you know,

00:42:12.440 I think that the major

00:42:13.240 fear would be if, for

00:42:15.400 example, China hacked

00:42:16.820 our databases and

00:42:19.400 started feeding our

00:42:21.020 AIs false 1.00

00:42:23.140 information that would

00:42:24.000 be detrimental in a

00:42:24.920 conflict or

00:42:25.800 or propaganda

00:42:28.380 or whatever, you

00:42:29.920 know, but, but I

00:42:31.760 mean, we've, we are

00:42:32.860 the ones, humans are

00:42:34.260 the ones that build

00:42:35.360 and feed the

00:42:36.360 information into the

00:42:37.360 data centers and, and,

00:42:39.520 and it just processes

00:42:40.840 all that information.

00:42:42.300 So I raised this

00:42:43.180 question with one of

00:42:44.040 the people who, one

00:42:45.640 of the big, biggest,

00:42:47.100 you know, forces behind

00:42:49.640 AI.

00:42:50.380 And I said, well, just

00:42:51.320 turn it off.

00:42:52.620 You know, I mean,

00:42:53.400 the human beings

00:42:55.660 run power plants and

00:42:57.760 this person said, even

00:42:59.880 now we can't be sure

00:43:01.120 that the machine is

00:43:02.220 telling us the truth

00:43:03.020 about where its power

00:43:03.920 is coming from.

00:43:05.320 Interesting.

00:43:06.140 So look, I, I, you

00:43:07.960 know, I was a Russian

00:43:08.800 history major, like I

00:43:09.740 know nothing.

00:43:10.720 I'm not pretending to

00:43:11.700 have some special

00:43:12.320 insight, but I did get

00:43:13.480 hear that directly from

00:43:14.920 someone who's deeply

00:43:15.980 involved.

00:43:17.140 And even right now, I

00:43:18.520 mean, well, you know,

00:43:20.240 a lot of people that are

00:43:21.020 deeply involved.

00:43:22.140 No, not really, but I

00:43:22.940 mean, you know, they

00:43:24.000 travel.

00:43:24.300 You know, with, with,

00:43:25.420 with stuff like AI, I

00:43:28.260 mean, it's still, it

00:43:29.260 still goes to a human

00:43:30.520 at the end, you know,

00:43:31.700 to make that decision.

00:43:33.560 And so.

00:43:34.180 Until you get a chip in 0.99

00:43:34.840 your brain. 0.94

00:43:35.920 Yeah, good point.

00:43:37.380 But, you know, so for

00:43:39.540 example, you know, for,

00:43:43.140 for, for military use,

00:43:44.920 you know, the AI system

00:43:46.580 would, would tell you

00:43:49.600 what, what, what it is.

00:43:51.500 So let's say it's a

00:43:53.040 plane, you know, that

00:43:55.000 pops up on a radar or

00:43:56.020 something.

00:43:56.460 The AI system will

00:43:57.620 immediately identify it,

00:43:58.880 tell you the

00:43:59.260 capabilities, tell you

00:44:00.920 your courses of action,

00:44:03.040 tell you your different

00:44:04.640 courses of action, tell

00:44:05.900 you the outcomes of

00:44:07.180 those different courses

00:44:08.080 of action.

00:44:08.660 And so you have all

00:44:09.520 these options, you

00:44:11.100 know, that would be

00:44:12.020 some type of an

00:44:13.160 analyst or strategist

00:44:14.540 that would, you know,

00:44:15.680 take hours, days,

00:44:17.740 weeks, maybe months,

00:44:18.720 you know, to come up

00:44:20.140 with the information

00:44:20.940 to present to whoever

00:44:22.640 the decision maker is

00:44:23.820 to make that actual

00:44:24.680 decision.

00:44:25.680 But with the power of

00:44:27.500 AI, you know, in, in

00:44:29.800 these new chips that are

00:44:31.160 processing so fast, I

00:44:32.520 mean, you get that

00:44:33.520 information in seconds,

00:44:35.360 minutes, hours versus

00:44:36.900 hours, days, weeks,

00:44:38.960 months.

00:44:39.620 And so you can act on

00:44:41.520 that, you know, a lot

00:44:43.160 faster because all the

00:44:44.740 information has been

00:44:45.480 processed, every possible

00:44:46.780 outcome, the percentage

00:44:47.800 of coming out on top.

00:44:48.840 I mean, it's like a

00:44:49.860 complete war game within

00:44:51.020 seconds.

00:44:53.640 It sounds amazing, but

00:44:55.120 the advantage is also

00:44:56.040 the vulnerability.

00:44:56.880 Now, I mean, if it's

00:44:57.640 subverted because someone

00:44:58.900 hacks your system and

00:45:01.320 gives you the wrong

00:45:02.180 coordinates or

00:45:02.840 misidentifies, you

00:45:04.580 know, allies as

00:45:05.240 enemies, or you could

00:45:06.280 see that going, you

00:45:07.200 could see that being

00:45:07.940 like the way you lose.

00:45:09.240 Definitely, definitely.

00:45:10.380 So maybe the guy with

00:45:11.400 the bolt action 308

00:45:12.700 with iron sights wins.

00:45:14.240 Yeah.

00:45:15.460 Maybe the lowest

00:45:16.200 technology.

00:45:17.800 force wins.

00:45:18.880 I'm with you, but

00:45:19.740 you know, I mean, you

00:45:20.840 know, I mean, what, how

00:45:22.160 do you know that a human

00:45:23.540 source is not a double

00:45:25.640 agent?

00:45:26.600 I mean, there's always

00:45:28.060 going to be checks and

00:45:28.900 balances, right?

00:45:30.160 So, I mean, that's why

00:45:31.760 we need, we need a

00:45:33.960 better energy grid.

00:45:34.980 We need to be able to 1.00

00:45:35.720 power our fucking AI 1.00

00:45:36.920 data center so that we 0.99

00:45:38.000 can build more AIs

00:45:38.980 because when AI wars

00:45:40.840 happen, it'll be who

00:45:41.760 has more AIs and it'll 0.87

00:45:44.340 be AIs going against

00:45:45.960 AIs.

00:45:47.360 So we need more AIs to

00:45:49.420 combat somebody with, we

00:45:52.360 need more AIs than our

00:45:55.420 enemies, than our

00:45:56.760 adversaries.

00:45:58.120 So we're only 40

00:45:58.900 minutes in and you've

00:46:00.120 already said, you have

00:46:01.420 said so far, you don't

00:46:03.180 believe in anything.

00:46:04.040 Technology is moving at

00:46:05.260 such a pace that it's

00:46:09.260 hard for people even to

00:46:10.120 like think about.

00:46:10.800 It's moving so quickly

00:46:11.860 going places we can't

00:46:13.580 yet imagine and just to

00:46:16.120 restate once more, nothing

00:46:17.360 is real anyway.

00:46:19.060 Can you be very specific

00:46:20.900 day-to-day about how you

00:46:22.700 stay sane while thinking

00:46:24.360 about stuff like that?

00:46:25.660 I live in the woods and I

00:46:28.180 don't talk to anybody but

00:46:29.340 my team and my family and I

00:46:32.880 don't go out much, you

00:46:34.360 know, I just, I don't.

00:46:36.740 Is that a happy life?

00:46:38.240 Yeah.

00:46:39.740 I would rather spend time

00:46:41.000 with my kids and my wife

00:46:41.960 than anybody on the

00:46:42.800 planet.

00:46:43.480 So, you know, in fact,

00:46:45.740 even when we go out to

00:46:46.620 dinners with people and I

00:46:47.720 say, oh yeah, let's do a

00:46:48.880 dinner.

00:46:49.880 The day the dinner comes

00:46:51.060 up, I'm like, why the 0.97

00:46:51.740 fuck are we going to 0.98

00:46:52.480 dinner? 1.00

00:46:52.720 I should be spending time

00:46:53.720 with the kids right now.

00:46:54.400 You speak for every

00:46:55.240 American husband.

00:46:58.880 There's not one husband

00:47:00.180 who's like, what?

00:47:01.620 Them?

00:47:02.440 How do we do?

00:47:03.220 Well, you said we could.

00:47:05.500 But I mean, even the

00:47:06.520 energy thing that we just

00:47:07.580 discussed, I mean, it's a

00:47:08.640 lie.

00:47:09.320 Like, here we have this 1.00

00:47:10.220 stupid debate going on 1.00

00:47:12.440 about fucking renewables 1.00

00:47:14.560 and fossil fuels and it's 0.99

00:47:17.780 like, I just told you the

00:47:19.180 answer.

00:47:19.900 It's right here.

00:47:20.840 It's been here for years.

00:47:22.260 Nobody's acting on it.

00:47:24.680 Right? 1.00

00:47:25.620 It's all a fucking lie. 1.00

00:47:27.000 No. 1.00

00:47:28.100 It's right here.

00:47:29.520 It's right here.

00:47:31.100 You know?

00:47:31.620 But nobody wants to talk

00:47:32.900 about it.

00:47:34.880 Let's keep the same debate

00:47:36.360 going for the next one.

00:47:36.920 You have to go back

00:47:37.500 because you're not the

00:47:38.440 only person, anyone who's

00:47:39.800 made it this far in the

00:47:40.440 conversation, probably in a

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00:47:46.380 Like, oh my gosh, this is

00:47:47.500 just bewildering.

00:47:48.320 Like, what's real?

00:47:49.160 This all does, it does seem

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00:47:54.060 A lot of the news you read

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00:49:20.400 What is your daily regimen,

00:49:22.460 if you don't mind, if it's not

00:49:23.660 too personal?

00:49:24.360 Like, what do you, you wake

00:49:25.300 up and then you do what?

00:49:26.260 Like, what are the steps that

00:49:27.100 you take every day to

00:49:27.860 remain grounded and sane and

00:49:29.680 happy?

00:49:30.800 I pray a lot.

00:49:32.700 When?

00:49:33.480 I wake up, I pray all the

00:49:34.860 time, you know, and I don't

00:49:35.960 mean down on my knees.

00:49:37.200 I just, I'm always, I'm always

00:49:38.820 looking for signs.

00:49:39.800 I'm always trying to make

00:49:41.640 sure that, you know, I'm doing

00:49:43.220 the right thing and that I'm

00:49:45.120 not doing interviews just for

00:49:50.280 numbers and shit like that.

00:49:52.240 I mean, I look for good people, 0.97

00:49:54.700 you know, with a good heart,

00:49:55.660 especially when I do something

00:49:56.760 like a life story, you know,

00:49:58.220 I'm looking for that guy

00:49:59.860 that's grinding, that is not

00:50:01.940 getting any traction with his

00:50:03.060 business, who's served the

00:50:04.060 country and put them up.

00:50:05.880 But I mean, I don't know.

00:50:07.640 I mean, and then I also keep in

00:50:09.340 the daily routine.

00:50:11.120 I mean, I wake up, I got a one

00:50:12.520 year old and a three year old

00:50:13.700 and I wake up and I have about

00:50:15.740 three cups of tea and I play

00:50:17.460 around with my kids and spend a

00:50:21.520 lot of time on the phone,

00:50:22.500 unfortunately, because everything,

00:50:23.780 you know, I'm getting all the

00:50:24.980 incoming in that's coming in

00:50:27.780 that morning.

00:50:28.400 Then I go into the office and I

00:50:29.800 meet with everybody and do an

00:50:32.840 interview or I don't do an

00:50:34.100 interview and then I just go back

00:50:35.380 home to my kids.

00:50:36.500 But, you know, as far as staying

00:50:39.600 grounded, I mean, I just keep in

00:50:41.000 mind like, hey, this all could go

00:50:42.660 away in two seconds.

00:50:44.700 I mean, who knows?

00:50:46.620 Somebody could do a headpiece on me

00:50:48.200 like they are right now.

00:50:50.100 I told you about it.

00:50:50.900 And it could all go away when

00:50:53.820 maybe a previous mistake that I

00:50:55.580 made in life comes to light and

00:50:57.280 they cancel me. 1.00

00:50:58.700 And if they do, fuck it. 1.00

00:50:59.800 I don't care. 1.00

00:51:00.740 I'll hang out with my kids and my

00:51:02.860 wife and live the rest of my life. 1.00

00:51:04.420 Maybe I'll move up here, get a spot

00:51:06.920 in the woods and never see anybody

00:51:08.200 again.

00:51:09.200 But I just don't take myself too

00:51:11.620 seriously and I don't buy my own 0.99

00:51:13.140 bullshit. 0.99

00:51:13.980 And that's it, man. 1.00

00:51:16.140 When you say you don't put people

00:51:17.700 on just for numbers, everyone

00:51:20.820 who, you know, has a public

00:51:23.180 facing job understands what you're

00:51:25.340 saying.

00:51:25.560 But for people who don't, will you

00:51:26.840 describe that a little more fully?

00:51:30.440 What do you mean?

00:51:31.680 You pass on stories, you said,

00:51:34.160 or pass on interviews if the only

00:51:38.060 upside is just that it gets huge

00:51:39.640 numbers.

00:51:40.160 Yeah.

00:51:40.740 Yeah.

00:51:42.980 I don't know.

00:51:44.080 I'm just not interested in it.

00:51:45.780 You know what I mean?

00:51:46.300 If I see, I'll give you an example.

00:51:49.040 I mean, I had, if I see somebody go

00:51:52.920 on the circuit, that's like, I'm just

00:51:55.400 not interested because then I'm just

00:51:56.780 doing the same stuff that everybody

00:51:58.500 else is doing.

00:51:59.740 And I've canceled interviews.

00:52:01.020 I've had people that I've been one to

00:52:04.180 have on for a long time and then I'll

00:52:06.720 pull up YouTube and there they are on

00:52:08.480 the Tucker Carlson show and I'm like,

00:52:10.100 hey, cancel that interview.

00:52:11.420 I don't want to, I don't want to

00:52:13.200 sloppy seconds with gratitude.

00:52:14.660 I'm like, really?

00:52:15.900 Sean Ryan interviewed him?

00:52:17.760 Book him.

00:52:18.460 No, I think it's cool, but I just, I

00:52:20.120 don't want to, I don't want to, I

00:52:22.000 mean, you're a phenomenal interviewer

00:52:23.780 and it's, and so it's, it's, well,

00:52:26.640 what am I going to get out of this guy

00:52:27.980 that Tucker didn't or Megan didn't or

00:52:30.100 Logan didn't or, you know what I mean?

00:52:31.640 You don't want to be part of someone's

00:52:32.400 publicity campaign either.

00:52:33.820 Exactly.

00:52:34.420 You know?

00:52:34.760 And, and so I really, I, you know, I

00:52:36.660 pride myself on being different and I've

00:52:39.980 set my whole business up to be

00:52:41.440 different and as different as I can

00:52:44.360 be and so I just, I just feed my own

00:52:48.820 curiosity and I look for people that I

00:52:51.200 believe to be a positive influence on

00:52:53.280 the world and a good role model for

00:52:56.600 kids.

00:52:57.160 I mean, I think the role model thing has

00:52:59.240 gotten, it's just, it's horrible.

00:53:01.320 I mean, who the hell do kids have to

00:53:02.460 look up to now?

00:53:03.320 That's right.

00:53:03.800 You know, and, and so that's, that's

00:53:05.840 what I look for.

00:53:06.500 Just good human beings with good values

00:53:08.700 that are pumping some type of good in

00:53:10.780 the world, whether that's fighting evil

00:53:12.240 or spreading the word or whatever, you

00:53:14.500 know, and, uh, going against the grain.

00:53:16.860 And, um, you know, I was, I was brought

00:53:19.300 up to always root for the underdog and

00:53:21.640 I do that.

00:53:23.640 It's the most American impulse you can

00:53:25.060 have.

00:53:26.600 We were the underdog.

00:53:27.760 This country was the underdog.

00:53:28.980 So.

00:53:29.340 Yes, it was.

00:53:30.360 You don't ever want to be the overdog.

00:53:31.980 No, no.

00:53:34.040 You don't want to be part of the

00:53:34.800 machine.

00:53:35.160 So how have you set your business up

00:53:36.380 to be different?

00:53:38.200 How have I, well, I mean, so when I

00:53:40.840 got into podcasting, I mean, I didn't

00:53:44.500 even know if I wanted to do it.

00:53:46.160 I just, um.

00:53:47.500 That was only five and a half years

00:53:48.660 ago.

00:53:49.120 Yeah, it was five and a half years ago

00:53:50.700 in my attic and, uh, and, uh, I got

00:53:54.620 tired of teaching tactics and shooting

00:53:58.060 and stuff like that.

00:53:59.180 And so I tried a bunch of different

00:54:00.540 things and, and, uh, I looked at

00:54:03.160 podcast as a whole and, and I saw, you

00:54:08.760 know, ever back then everybody had the

00:54:10.420 purple curtain behind them and, uh, all

00:54:13.460 their little stuff in the middle of the

00:54:14.900 table that means nothing to them other

00:54:17.100 than Joe, you know, he's got his stuff

00:54:19.240 on the middle of the table. 0.99

00:54:20.320 Now everybody's got their shit on the 0.99

00:54:21.680 middle of the table. 0.99

00:54:22.380 And, and, um, and, um, so I, I, I set it

00:54:27.820 up to be different.

00:54:29.180 I wanted a relaxed environment.

00:54:30.720 I didn't want any equipment in the shots.

00:54:32.540 I wanted to, I mean, you've been there.

00:54:34.760 It's, it's, you melt into that room and

00:54:37.880 it's very disarming.

00:54:39.380 And there's a lot of history there from

00:54:41.860 people that share similar values and on

00:54:45.320 display for everybody to see.

00:54:46.900 You, you like it.

00:54:48.160 That's what I noticed about your studio.

00:54:49.920 You made it a space that you're

00:54:52.300 comfortable in and it reflects what you

00:54:54.500 think and it reflects the life that

00:54:55.960 you've lived and the people that you

00:54:57.320 love.

00:54:58.440 It's not, it's the opposite of generic.

00:55:02.020 Thank you.

00:55:03.220 Well, no, it's, I really, it's very

00:55:04.600 noticeable, but, uh, but I, you know,

00:55:07.000 and, and nobody really back then had

00:55:09.520 good camera aesthetics.

00:55:10.820 And so I'd saw, uh, David Letterman's

00:55:14.100 my next guest on Netflix and I really

00:55:16.680 liked the way it looked and, um, with

00:55:19.220 the camera movements and the, the shots

00:55:21.220 that they had.

00:55:21.760 And I said, I want to make that, but in

00:55:24.400 my own way and on a, on a $2,000 budget.

00:55:29.400 And, um, so I taught myself how to film,

00:55:32.380 taught myself how to edit, taught my wife

00:55:34.040 how to film, taught myself how to run

00:55:35.680 sound.

00:55:36.800 And, um, and so I wanted an environment

00:55:38.800 that looked really good on camera that,

00:55:40.800 that disarmed people.

00:55:42.540 Uh, I noticed, especially in where I

00:55:46.040 come from and the SEAL team is a very

00:55:47.640 egocentric, uh, community and nobody can

00:55:53.240 just make the interview about the guests.

00:55:55.120 They have to make it about themselves and 1.00

00:55:56.740 insert their own fucking experiences. 1.00

00:55:58.480 And it's all, I killed Bin Laden. 1.00

00:56:00.280 Oh, cool. 1.00

00:56:00.800 I killed this person. 0.99

00:56:01.860 And it's like, it's not about you, man. 0.99

00:56:04.260 It's about them.

00:56:05.120 And so, uh, so I would totally keep my

00:56:08.480 own experiences out of the interview and

00:56:10.500 I would compliment people instead of

00:56:13.640 challenging them all the time.

00:56:15.360 I would compliment them like, wow, that's

00:56:16.640 well, like you just made it into Delta.

00:56:18.400 That's like the premier special ops group

00:56:23.840 in the entire world.

00:56:25.100 I mean, how did that feel?

00:56:26.100 That's amazing.

00:56:26.800 You know, and when, when you compliment

00:56:28.960 somebody in a, in a, in a world that is

00:56:31.220 extremely competitive, you know, it, it, it's 0.99

00:56:34.520 like, oh shit, like this guy's different. 0.66

00:56:36.560 Thank you for letting me talk and actually 0.97

00:56:38.760 complimenting me on my service.

00:56:41.240 And then on top of that, we started, I,

00:56:44.680 from episode one.

00:56:45.760 Where did that insight come from?

00:56:47.760 Therapy.

00:56:48.640 I did a lot of therapy when I, when I quit

00:56:51.180 contracting for, for CIA.

00:56:52.900 I always think of therapy as making people

00:56:55.400 more self-involved, but that sounds like

00:56:57.600 whoever you had in therapy sounds like was

00:57:00.420 encouraging you to become less about

00:57:01.940 yourself.

00:57:02.360 They don't talk.

00:57:06.440 They don't talk.

00:57:07.440 I mean, with, with my therapist, it was, I

00:57:11.060 did all the talking and I would wind up

00:57:13.600 working my own problems out in my head and

00:57:16.280 she would just guide me, you know?

00:57:18.420 And, and so I took that model and brought

00:57:23.000 it to my show and it just worked.

00:57:26.640 But it sounds like you concluded that

00:57:28.040 humility, focusing on other people, that

00:57:31.140 was the key.

00:57:33.460 I would say you're exactly right.

00:57:36.600 I don't know that that's an obvious

00:57:38.060 conclusion.

00:57:39.200 I don't, most people don't seem to reach

00:57:40.540 that conclusion.

00:57:41.500 Really?

00:57:43.040 Judging from, I was in the airport, I

00:57:44.840 don't go to the airport very much, but I

00:57:45.940 was there yesterday and listening to two

00:57:48.700 people have a air quotes conversation where

00:57:51.460 each one was just waiting for the other

00:57:52.620 one to stop talking before talking at the

00:57:55.100 person.

00:57:55.420 And I was like, not one person ever said,

00:57:58.140 really, how, how, really, how interesting.

00:58:01.260 And I feel like that's the experience that

00:58:03.540 people have, not just watching podcasts, but

00:58:06.000 like on, you know, day to day.

00:58:08.480 Yeah.

00:58:09.060 People don't listen.

00:58:10.860 Yeah.

00:58:11.180 I mean, you know, and I guess there is one

00:58:13.280 other thing that I just, I'm not, I'm not

00:58:14.980 afraid to say that I don't know what we're

00:58:19.180 talking about.

00:58:19.820 And so you get a lot of people, you know,

00:58:21.460 you get a lot of people, they, they, they 0.99

00:58:23.060 fucking trap themselves. 0.99

00:58:24.520 You know, and it's like, I told you about 0.99

00:58:28.800 what I know about AI and that's the extent

00:58:30.760 of it.

00:58:31.080 If we're going to go deeper, I don't know 0.99

00:58:32.340 what the fuck I'm talking about. 0.98

00:58:33.560 So I'm not going to pretend like I know I'm 0.99

00:58:35.660 talking about to make it look like I'm the

00:58:37.880 resident expert because the resident experts

00:58:40.760 are going to call you completely full of 1.00

00:58:42.440 shit. 1.00

00:58:42.720 You don't know what you're talking about. 1.00

00:58:44.340 And so I don't always get caught, like

00:58:45.860 pretending you don't have prostate cancer.

00:58:47.500 Like in the end, people, but, but I mean,

00:58:52.620 it's okay to not know everything, you know,

00:58:55.580 and, and with so many people fall into the

00:58:58.280 trap that are like, Oh yeah, I have to, I 1.00

00:58:59.980 have shit. 1.00

00:59:00.660 They just asked me a question. 1.00

00:59:01.760 I'm not an expert on, I have, I have to

00:59:03.260 come up with something and I have like no

00:59:06.140 shame and just going, yeah, I don't, I don't 0.88

00:59:08.320 even know what the fuck that word means that 0.96

00:59:10.020 you just said, could you please explain 0.97

00:59:12.140 that?

00:59:13.300 And, and I think there's a lot of people

00:59:15.540 like me that, that, that they don't

00:59:18.520 understand maybe the vocabulary.

00:59:21.580 There aren't a lot of people who will

00:59:22.540 admit it.

00:59:23.060 Actually, there aren't that many people.

00:59:24.420 Everybody's, everybody's a genius.

00:59:26.900 Everybody's a tough guy.

00:59:28.320 But playing a role that they know is fake.

00:59:30.760 Yeah.

00:59:32.340 It's sad.

00:59:33.340 It's sad to watch it.

00:59:34.960 Well, it's, it's a kind of slavery too.

00:59:37.240 I mean, it's not, you're not free when

00:59:38.880 you're pretending to be something you're

00:59:40.040 not.

00:59:40.420 Yeah.

00:59:41.300 So you showed me something last night

00:59:42.680 speaking of how you run your business

00:59:44.440 differently than I thought was like the

00:59:45.660 coolest thing I've ever seen.

00:59:46.900 You're building a new studio.

00:59:49.260 You totally lost control and just totally

00:59:51.420 lost control.

00:59:52.140 I will say someone who has a studio.

00:59:55.100 It's like the craziest thing.

00:59:57.040 It's the coolest thing.

00:59:58.440 Big piece property, bass pond shooting

01:00:02.080 range, like beautifully designed.

01:00:04.540 It's just super cool.

01:00:06.140 So, but at the construction phase on the, well,

01:00:12.460 you, you, you explain how you, how you

01:00:14.760 built it.

01:00:15.240 That's different.

01:00:15.840 Oh, so, I mean, like I was saying last

01:00:18.840 night, I'm really, I'm really big on company

01:00:22.000 culture.

01:00:22.420 And by, I had mentioned earlier, you know,

01:00:24.860 my, my people that work for me and with me

01:00:28.040 are, are like a second family to me and I take

01:00:31.040 on their burdens and I help them through life.

01:00:33.620 And I, I want to give them the best experience

01:00:36.100 that I can too.

01:00:37.380 I mean, they work their asses off for me.

01:00:39.980 And, and so I, I want them to be proud of

01:00:43.840 where they work and I want them to enjoy being

01:00:47.080 at work.

01:00:47.560 And so there's, there's a wellness center.

01:00:49.580 There's everybody, I mean, there's, it's, you

01:00:53.660 gotta see it, man, when it's done, it's all like

01:00:56.720 super top of the line.

01:00:58.240 Very, very nice.

01:01:00.400 And, you know, they'll be able to hunt out

01:01:03.320 there.

01:01:03.600 They'll be able to fish out there.

01:01:04.880 They'll be able to shoot out there.

01:01:06.180 They'll be able to work out out there.

01:01:07.620 They'll be able to, I want them to bring

01:01:09.400 their families in for lunch.

01:01:10.620 Like I want that environment so that, you

01:01:13.460 know, one that they're, they're proud of

01:01:15.180 where they work.

01:01:15.800 They want to work there and they're the

01:01:17.940 best paid people in the business.

01:01:19.680 I don't have a big team, but I have a 0.99

01:01:21.240 fucking amazing team. 0.98

01:01:22.860 You want them to bring their families for 1.00

01:01:24.300 lunch?

01:01:24.840 Hell yeah, man.

01:01:26.280 That's the coolest.

01:01:27.360 Absolutely.

01:01:27.760 And, um, and, um, if they want to, you

01:01:31.960 know, and, and, and, you know, on top of

01:01:35.700 just giving, you know, and creating like

01:01:40.240 that environment, uh, you know, it, I

01:01:43.320 mean, this is a cutthroat business,

01:01:45.040 unfortunately, and see people jumping from

01:01:48.060 camp to camp.

01:01:48.780 I've never lost somebody, you know, I've

01:01:50.640 never lost somebody that, that said, Hey, 1.00

01:01:53.980 fuck it. 1.00

01:01:54.300 I'm going to Tucker's. 1.00

01:01:55.420 Hey, I'm going to the daily wire.

01:01:56.920 Hey, I'm going here.

01:01:57.900 I'm going there.

01:01:58.520 They, they don't want to be anywhere, but

01:02:00.420 you haven't lost anyone to the daily

01:02:01.480 wire.

01:02:01.900 I haven't lost anybody to anything.

01:02:06.920 I'm such a, we get a lot of people from

01:02:09.660 the daily wire wanting to work here though.

01:02:14.280 You put Bibles under the foundation.

01:02:17.260 Yeah.

01:02:17.700 Yeah.

01:02:17.960 We put, we put, so yeah, on top of that,

01:02:21.380 my whole team is really into scripture

01:02:24.680 and, uh, we're all very like-minded and,

01:02:27.540 and, um, you know, I'd mentioned before,

01:02:31.000 I feel like I'm just a conduit.

01:02:33.200 And, uh, so, and I do, I live a lot of

01:02:36.560 my life in paranoia at times.

01:02:38.980 And so he is the only protection.

01:02:41.620 So yeah, we put a Bible in every corner

01:02:43.700 of the foundation.

01:02:44.540 Um, we wrote scripture on every single

01:02:49.320 exterior stud in that building and, um,

01:02:54.100 to, for protection.

01:02:56.940 I saw, uh, Jeremy, your producer had a

01:03:00.140 picture he showed me last night of,

01:03:02.080 it's a shot down the wall and the studs

01:03:04.080 are still visible.

01:03:05.160 And each one has a, I, I read three from

01:03:08.500 Ephesians, but like long quotes from the

01:03:11.900 New Testament.

01:03:12.340 Yeah.

01:03:13.440 Everybody on the team had a, had a part

01:03:15.480 in that.

01:03:15.960 Who thought of that?

01:03:18.080 Me.

01:03:19.400 Why?

01:03:20.620 I went to, uh, a party once.

01:03:25.020 And, uh, the people at the party who

01:03:27.600 hosted the party showed me their house

01:03:29.280 and told me that they had done that.

01:03:30.720 And I was like, that, that they had

01:03:33.480 written scripture on every stud.

01:03:35.240 And I was like, oh man, that is awesome.

01:03:37.540 I'm doing that.

01:03:38.560 I'm doing everything.

01:03:39.640 Everything that we build from now on,

01:03:41.420 we'll, we'll have that.

01:03:43.880 That is the coolest.

01:03:46.620 So you say you feel like a conduit.

01:03:50.340 How do you receive instructions?

01:03:53.280 Gut.

01:03:54.260 I think God speaks to you through gut.

01:03:57.280 Yeah.

01:03:57.440 And, um, and I think the signs are always

01:04:01.100 there, but a lot of us are too busy and 0.99

01:04:03.900 wrapped up in our own shit to see them. 0.98

01:04:05.640 Um, and, um, so for example, like the 0.99

01:04:10.060 George Eskew interview was, I was nervous

01:04:12.420 about that one, you know, because I'd dug

01:04:15.360 into the, I dug into it and I was, I was

01:04:19.140 like, like, I don't, you know, if this guy

01:04:22.540 is a Russian asset, I don't know if this is a

01:04:24.720 good idea.

01:04:25.420 I don't want to be on the wrong team here.

01:04:27.160 Uh, I don't want to fall victim to, you

01:04:29.920 know, propagandizing my show, not even

01:04:32.760 realizing it.

01:04:35.140 And the whole, the whole journey there, I

01:04:38.860 was worried about it.

01:04:39.840 And, um, without going into it, I mean, my

01:04:42.900 journey to Christ was through signs, uh, that

01:04:45.980 slapped me right in the face.

01:04:47.300 And four, four, four is a big number to

01:04:49.140 me.

01:04:49.300 And, and, um, and I, four, four, four, four,

01:04:52.160 four, four is a huge number to me.

01:04:53.860 And, um, well, so I had this, uh, experience

01:05:04.020 in Sedona, uh, where I came to Christ and

01:05:07.580 three things happened to me, uh, all within

01:05:10.240 very profound things in about 15 minutes,

01:05:12.960 the last day I was there.

01:05:15.420 And when I got home, I had called, um, uh,

01:05:19.840 somewhat of a spiritual mentor to me.

01:05:21.480 His name's Eddie Penny.

01:05:22.360 And, um, he had started talking about, I

01:05:25.960 called him at, uh, midnight when I got

01:05:28.080 back and I was like, Hey, this happened

01:05:30.380 to me.

01:05:30.660 I don't know what this means, but I think

01:05:34.340 I need to, uh, lean into Jesus a little

01:05:36.540 bit here.

01:05:37.000 And that's not something I've done in

01:05:38.400 probably the past 20 years.

01:05:40.640 And so he started going on about this

01:05:43.860 stuff with, with demonic attacks.

01:05:46.600 Now that I've shown a side and I'm, and

01:05:48.700 he goes, he goes, man, a lot of people

01:05:51.420 have been praying for this to happen.

01:05:53.060 And I'm like, well, what do you mean?

01:05:56.020 Like what, why, who is, what, what, what

01:06:00.880 the hell is happening?

01:06:02.060 And, um, then he started talking about

01:06:04.060 guardian angels and all this other stuff.

01:06:06.800 And I had a meeting scheduled at noon with

01:06:11.180 my IT guy who is, uh, a devout Catholic.

01:06:14.940 And I call him up and I think we're going

01:06:18.320 to be talking about, I don't know, website

01:06:20.460 stuff and IT crap.

01:06:22.420 And he has the exact same conversation with 0.52

01:06:25.060 me, not even knowing that I'd had this

01:06:27.580 experience yet.

01:06:29.100 Doesn't know Eddie there.

01:06:30.880 I mean, he is a IT guy and Eddie is a

01:06:34.080 former development group guy.

01:06:36.160 There's no connection has the exact same

01:06:39.020 conversation starts talking about those.

01:06:40.940 Can you just define the, a former what

01:06:42.560 group guy, uh, team six.

01:06:44.620 Yeah.

01:06:45.080 And, um, and, um, and ever since I had

01:06:49.060 Eddie on and he shared his testimony, it

01:06:50.980 was my, I released an episode every

01:06:52.600 Christmas.

01:06:53.180 That's when I kicked the show off was

01:06:54.600 Christmas.

01:06:55.500 And I was like, man, this testimony is

01:06:57.320 like so awesome.

01:06:58.160 I think this should be the Christmas

01:06:59.300 episode.

01:07:00.500 So every single person that came on the

01:07:03.900 show for probably the next year and a

01:07:06.780 half, at least had brought up God or the

01:07:11.000 Bible or Christ. 0.84

01:07:12.960 And it was, it was like a turning point,

01:07:16.320 uh, in my podcast that just, and I didn't

01:07:19.280 like, I don't push Christianity on people.

01:07:22.760 I don't, you know, it, it would just

01:07:24.560 organically come up in the conversation.

01:07:28.000 And, um, and so I always thought like,

01:07:30.300 maybe God's like working through my show

01:07:32.180 or something.

01:07:32.640 I don't know.

01:07:33.580 But anyway, so after this, after all this

01:07:36.680 stuff happened in Sedona, which was mind

01:07:38.760 blowing to me, I have this conversation

01:07:41.040 with Adam and, uh, yes.

01:07:45.280 And he's, he's talking about guardian

01:07:47.020 angels.

01:07:47.620 And I go home for a late lunch that day

01:07:49.820 with my wife and kids and I'm driving

01:07:55.240 back, uh, to the studio and I look at the

01:07:58.080 clock and it's four 44.

01:07:59.400 I look at the gas thing and it says 444

01:08:03.600 miles left to empty.

01:08:05.520 And this is, and, and, uh, it's four hours

01:08:08.700 and 44 minutes after my conversation with

01:08:11.180 my AT guy.

01:08:12.680 So I'm, I'm driving and I call up, uh, my

01:08:16.520 social media manager.

01:08:17.640 I'm like, Hey, look up for 44.

01:08:19.700 I want to know what it means. 0.99

01:08:21.140 Something just happened and get this shit. 0.99

01:08:24.780 I love how open you are to this. 0.99

01:08:26.120 He looks it up and you know what it is?

01:08:28.720 No, it means your guardian angels want to

01:08:32.860 know that they're watching over you right

01:08:37.540 after we just had a discussion four hours

01:08:40.100 and 44 minutes prior about guardian angels.

01:08:44.960 That's wild.

01:08:46.200 And so then I've, I was like, okay, like

01:08:48.760 that's, that's a sign.

01:08:51.280 And, uh, cause I told you to, I live in

01:08:53.580 them at that time I had released the Brian

01:08:55.900 Montgomery interview about sex trafficking,

01:08:57.920 which is a whole nother debacle that the FBI

01:09:00.140 started getting involved in.

01:09:02.260 And, um, and I had interviewed Tyler

01:09:05.420 Andrew Vargas, which was the, the young

01:09:08.240 Marine who survived the Abbey gate bombing.

01:09:10.380 He lost his leg and his arm and nobody

01:09:15.180 would talk to him because it made the Biden

01:09:17.040 administration look so bad.

01:09:18.720 We were fighting YouTube about it.

01:09:21.720 And, um, he had all this real footage from his

01:09:26.080 camera about the guy that blew up the gate that

01:09:28.180 they should have killed.

01:09:29.180 And anyways, told me that, that, um, that good 0.98

01:09:33.760 morning America had interviewed him for seven

01:09:35.700 hours and only released five seconds of the

01:09:37.800 interview.

01:09:38.280 Here's another God thing, man.

01:09:39.620 So having breakfast, my team really wanted to get

01:09:43.820 Tyler on.

01:09:44.480 And I was like, every media outlet in the world is

01:09:48.180 probably trying to talk to this guy right now.

01:09:50.040 Cause he's the only living eyewitness.

01:09:53.560 And I'm like, we're never going to get him.

01:09:55.620 I'll probably wind up on Tucker or Rogan or, you 0.99

01:09:57.920 know, and, and, um, I was like, fine, I'll shoot him a

01:10:01.020 message on Instagram.

01:10:03.080 So I shoot him a message immediately.

01:10:04.620 Immediately he's like, yep, I'm in, let's do it.

01:10:08.100 I had breakfast with him before the interview and

01:10:12.980 at breakfast, he's sitting there with his fiance and

01:10:16.900 he goes, man, he started tearing up and he goes, man,

01:10:21.720 I have interviewed with so many mainstream media outlets 1.00

01:10:27.060 and they're all full of shit and nobody will tell the 0.99

01:10:30.160 truth and nobody will release like what I tell them. 1.00

01:10:33.200 And Congress didn't pay attention when I testified in

01:10:35.940 front of them.

01:10:36.760 And he goes, I literally looked at my fiance and he's

01:10:39.780 like, man, I just wish the Sean Ryan guy would just

01:10:42.360 reach out.

01:10:43.260 And he goes, I pulled my phone up and you had just

01:10:47.600 messaged me.

01:10:48.460 It was the first thing I saw.

01:10:50.140 And he goes, there was like, it was like, God answered

01:10:54.640 me like right there in that moment. 0.99

01:10:57.220 And I was like, holy shit. 0.98

01:10:59.100 Like, that's not a coincidence. 0.99

01:11:01.400 There are no coincidences.

01:11:03.240 I don't believe in coincidences anymore.

01:11:05.560 But, but so I get these like signs like all the time where

01:11:09.480 if I feel like I should be, if I'm questioning something,

01:11:13.200 he'll throw out a sign.

01:11:15.180 And like, like, like the George Eskew interview, me and

01:11:19.120 Jeremy are sitting at the airport and I'm telling him like, I

01:11:22.600 don't know about this.

01:11:23.560 It's the first time I had ever brought somebody to do an

01:11:26.760 overwatch for me because I was nervous.

01:11:29.740 You know, I was like, oh, I don't know if we should be

01:11:31.620 doing this. 0.98

01:11:32.460 We're fucking with NATO. 0.98

01:11:35.100 We should probably bring a security guy. 0.99

01:11:37.520 You know, they're just peacekeepers.

01:11:39.040 Yeah.

01:11:40.300 Right.

01:11:40.920 That's why they're building the.

01:11:42.260 Come on.

01:11:43.140 Biggest.

01:11:43.820 Relax, relax, Sean.

01:11:45.340 They're on our side.

01:11:46.000 NATO base in Europe.

01:11:47.520 And.

01:11:48.100 The training army.

01:11:49.560 But anyways, I had.

01:11:53.460 Sometimes I just tweet out something that pops in my head.

01:11:56.020 Right.

01:11:56.200 So I tweeted out the truth is like a lion.

01:11:58.660 You don't have to defend it.

01:12:00.800 Set it free and it'll defend itself.

01:12:02.880 I tweeted that out.

01:12:04.360 I like that.

01:12:04.940 And I had this debacle going on in my head.

01:12:07.540 Like, should I be doing this?

01:12:08.880 Like, am I doing this for the right reason?

01:12:10.940 Is this guy, does he need to be heard or is he just some

01:12:15.340 type of a Russian show?

01:12:16.460 Well, we walk out of the lounge.

01:12:20.140 This is all, I don't know, five minutes.

01:12:22.840 And this woman comes around the corner and she has this huge lion

01:12:28.800 head on her shirt, like this big sequence glittery lion head.

01:12:34.100 And that's what was in my head and what I had just tweeted out.

01:12:39.120 And to me, I mean, probably everybody will call me crazy, but to me,

01:12:43.440 I'm like, that's the sign that I needed to see.

01:12:46.880 Like, I just articulated this.

01:12:50.960 And you don't see too many people running around the airport with a big

01:12:54.160 lion head on their shirt, like a massive lion head. 0.93

01:12:57.880 My reaction is not that you're crazy.

01:12:59.700 My reaction is I need to get off my phone sufficient to see signs.

01:13:04.600 They're all around me.

01:13:05.820 They're everywhere.

01:13:06.500 Because I agree with you completely.

01:13:07.280 And I feel like the phone is an instrument of distraction and evil, really.

01:13:13.300 Though I couldn't live without it.

01:13:14.920 I need it for my job.

01:13:15.840 It allows me to live where I want.

01:13:17.280 And talk to my wife and children and all that.

01:13:19.740 There are upsides.

01:13:20.540 But in general, I feel like I miss everything.

01:13:23.520 If a sign happened, it would really have to come by text message or I wouldn't see it.

01:13:27.840 Yeah.

01:13:28.520 Well, I hope you do that.

01:13:31.640 Yeah.

01:13:32.040 I've been thinking about it a lot.

01:13:33.280 Are you self-consciously not on your phone sometimes?

01:13:37.760 Yeah.

01:13:38.060 What's your phone regimen?

01:13:41.880 6 p.m.

01:13:42.640 It goes on airplane mode.

01:13:44.440 6 p.m.?

01:13:45.340 Yep.

01:13:47.020 You're not on your phone after 6 p.m.?

01:13:48.580 Other than if somebody on my team texts me and they would text for an emergency.

01:13:57.820 It's not airplane mode.

01:13:59.280 It's like, I don't know, whatever.

01:14:01.760 Like this, whatever.

01:14:02.880 I don't know what it is either.

01:14:03.800 But it screens out randoms.

01:14:04.660 Nothing comes to me.

01:14:05.580 So, except my assistant, Jeremy, and family.

01:14:11.780 And so, I don't mess around on the phone.

01:14:14.420 After 6 p.m.?

01:14:15.660 6 p.m., man.

01:14:17.760 It's like 1985 life.

01:14:20.440 I mean, you know, sometimes, yeah, there are, you know, sometimes it happens.

01:14:26.120 You know, if I'm working late or something.

01:14:28.140 And I'm always working.

01:14:30.340 But, I mean, I don't like, I don't mess around on social media or, you know, half the texts I get are just people asking for favors anyways.

01:14:41.260 Only half?

01:14:42.500 Probably more.

01:14:44.400 Yeah, more.

01:14:45.200 All my friends I haven't talked to in.

01:14:51.440 Five and a half years is a very short period of time to become as successful as you have.

01:14:56.920 Thank you.

01:14:58.320 Well, I'm not complimenting you. 0.88

01:14:59.940 I'm saying I'm surprised you're not crazier.

01:15:02.440 Because that's a big change.

01:15:03.760 That's a big, big change.

01:15:04.980 Yeah.

01:15:05.300 In a short period of time.

01:15:07.780 Don't you think?

01:15:08.720 Well, I think.

01:15:09.140 Yeah, it's been a huge change, but, you know, I mean, it's just, we're all just humans and some people have a, I mean, like I said, man, I just don't take myself too seriously. 0.96

01:15:27.500 And none of this shit really gets to me. 0.58

01:15:29.600 It could all be taken away at a moment's notice and I'm ready to give it back. 0.99

01:15:33.820 And I'm just, all I'm doing is trying to do good, you know? 0.93

01:15:39.760 And so, when I'm, I mean, when I meet people like you or some of the other people that have been on the show, I mean, there is an aspect, like, I can't believe I'm, like, having fucking dinner with Tucker right now. 0.86

01:15:54.580 This is so weird. 0.96

01:15:55.500 Like, people would kill to do this.

01:15:57.960 But in the end, I mean, you're just a, you're just like me, man. 1.00

01:16:01.960 You eat, sleep, shit. 1.00

01:16:03.820 That's it. 1.00

01:16:05.020 And I take that approach with everybody I meet.

01:16:08.200 There's nothing, sorry, Tucker, I love you, but there is.

01:16:12.940 You couldn't be, yeah, I've always thought it's very easy to get perspective on your life if you can see yourself kind of clearly.

01:16:23.460 It's very hard to mistake yourself for Jesus if you're, like, honest.

01:16:27.580 Do you know what I mean?

01:16:28.360 Yes.

01:16:28.840 And I really look down on people who have delusions.

01:16:31.680 Or just people, man.

01:16:32.640 Oh, that's for sure.

01:16:33.820 It's sad to watch power get to people's heads.

01:16:37.060 It's really a shame.

01:16:39.040 So what steps do you take to keep yourself pure of heart?

01:16:45.660 I notice you haven't been in D.C. like every week.

01:16:49.500 I hate D.C.

01:16:52.820 That's where all the power is.

01:16:54.460 Yeah.

01:16:55.060 Well, I'm not interested in power.

01:16:56.900 Don't you want to rush toward it like a bug light?

01:16:58.540 I've been asked to run for something, but I just have no interest in it.

01:17:07.460 What are your goals at this point?

01:17:09.260 My goals are to, whenever I exit this, I want my family to be set for generations.

01:17:22.320 I want my team to be set for generations.

01:17:24.500 I want to continue to help them.

01:17:26.000 And I just want to show that there's a lot of us out there that think on the same page, regardless of what the media says.

01:17:39.500 And I think I am a, this sounds weird talking about myself like this, but I think I am, for whatever reason, I think I am just the average, uneducated, no college degree guy in the country that can talk to people.

01:18:00.240 Wait, you don't have a college degree?

01:18:01.820 No.

01:18:02.460 Oh, I wish I'd known that before I set up this interview.

01:18:05.520 But, um, I don't, wow, wow.

01:18:07.740 I'm just a, I'm just a average guy that, that has a hard time understanding stuff.

01:18:15.620 And I don't let my ego get in the way. 0.96

01:18:17.840 I don't pretend like I know shit that I don't know. 0.99

01:18:20.600 And if I don't understand, then I fucking ask questions. 0.99

01:18:23.000 And it helps everybody that watches my show understand something because it's dumbed down to a level that the majority of America can digest and comprehend. 0.99

01:18:35.120 You listen carefully.

01:18:37.520 I haven't gone on your show.

01:18:38.880 I think that's the key.

01:18:39.920 You listen very carefully.

01:18:41.740 Most people do not do that.

01:18:43.420 So you don't go to DC because you think it's disgusting.

01:18:48.040 You think power corrupts.

01:18:49.920 It doesn't just enhance.

01:18:52.280 Yeah.

01:18:53.000 Definitely.

01:18:53.880 I mean, I, you know, it's also like, none of these people will be talking to me if I didn't have a show.

01:19:05.140 Obviously.

01:19:07.560 So it's, it's, it's like, I don't know, man.

01:19:11.640 I just, I don't like it.

01:19:13.720 I was amazed, amazed to find out, I don't know if it's public, but you came very close to booking Kamala Harris.

01:19:19.900 Mm-hmm.

01:19:21.160 How'd that come about?

01:19:23.500 Well, I mean, I, who was the first candidate?

01:19:26.760 I think it was either DeSantis.

01:19:30.080 I think, no, DeSantis wasn't in studio.

01:19:32.760 And it's the only Zoom interview I've ever done. 0.97

01:19:35.980 What'd you think of him?

01:19:38.560 Uh, I mean, as far as like a person, I didn't, it was very, it was like 15 minutes, man.

01:19:45.740 So I don't, I don't have a gauge.

01:19:47.200 I like a lot of the stuff that he's done down in Florida, pretty much all of it.

01:19:51.820 And, um, but that I know of, I don't know everything, but, um, but I had said at the beginning, I'll interview any presidential candidate.

01:20:01.680 I don't care what side they're on.

01:20:03.680 I'm not going to blast you, but I think it's important that people know who that person is, whether we talk about politics or not.

01:20:10.360 Like, the RFK, we talked about his heroin addiction and all that kind of stuff. 0.81

01:20:14.560 And, and, uh, you know, it gives you a little more background on what, what, how they grew up, what their values are as a person, not just some soundbite bullshit, you know, that's fed to them.

01:20:25.740 Um, and, um, and so I, I wanted to interview people on the other side of the fence too.

01:20:33.940 And, um, and I really wanted Kamala to come on.

01:20:38.240 And, uh, so.

01:20:40.380 I think it's Kamala.

01:20:41.940 Whatever.

01:20:42.840 And, uh.

01:20:43.600 I think that's racist.

01:20:43.980 It's irrelevant at this point.

01:20:44.760 As it gets racist, you just call that Kamala.

01:20:47.320 But, um, but so we got in touch with her camp.

01:20:54.100 We didn't hear anything.

01:20:54.980 We did a couple of, uh, press releases and to, to maybe pressure her and do it a little bit. 0.89

01:21:04.880 And, um, she took it seriously and, and she watched, I was told she watched, she spent a night going through particular interviews and liked the way that I interviewed and liked my style and she wanted to do it.

01:21:19.120 And, uh, they asked, you know, what do I want to talk about?

01:21:22.100 And I said, well, I think we should definitely talk about the Afghan withdrawal and the Taliban funding.

01:21:26.620 I'm pretty much initiated that entire conversation that developed into what it is.

01:21:31.660 And, um, well, me and my guests.

01:21:36.040 And, um, they didn't want to talk about that. 0.97

01:21:39.440 I said, well, it's, it's going to look bad on me if I don't talk about that because I've been hammering this damn thing for a year now. 0.95

01:21:47.620 Over a year, I think. 0.89

01:21:48.740 And, but I was like, all right, well, what do you want to talk about?

01:21:52.640 Do you want to talk about national security?

01:21:54.920 They're like, what do you think you'd disagree on her the most on?

01:21:58.020 Told them.

01:21:58.540 And, what was it?

01:22:01.840 The, the gender stuff with kids.

01:22:07.200 That was my biggest thing.

01:22:08.900 You know, and I don't, I don't really care about adults, you know, that do it.

01:22:12.240 But, I mean, you can't give a kid the keys to do that, you know, at that age.

01:22:18.920 And, eight years old, I mean, eight years old, was it Washington that's like, the state will come in and take your kid from you if you, if you don't do it, if they want to.

01:22:29.900 I mean, what is, why even have parents at that point?

01:22:33.700 I'm sure they don't want us to have parents.

01:22:35.280 Well, exactly.

01:22:35.920 But, um, anyways, I said that and, and, you know, they were like, it got to the point where I, I just said, look, I don't even care.

01:22:46.080 I was like, how about you just give me the outline and we'll do it that way.

01:22:51.860 I don't care.

01:22:52.820 Like, I know how to do an interview and I'll make it work.

01:22:58.060 And, um, I'll find my, my groove and whatever you give me.

01:23:03.600 I'm confident in my abilities and, and, um, they were going to do it.

01:23:07.960 And then, um, and then the Brett Bear interview came out with her and it just fell off the map.

01:23:16.080 And then they just quit talking to us.

01:23:18.320 So I don't know, you know.

01:23:20.300 Because Brett asked her like a single question and she didn't feel like answering.

01:23:22.840 Yeah, I don't know.

01:23:24.180 I mean, I don't know what it was.

01:23:25.700 How do you think it would have gone?

01:23:28.000 I think it would have gone.

01:23:32.020 I think it would have gone no matter what they handed me for the outline or, or if I created my own outline that the questions would have been, um, blaming Trump for everything.

01:23:46.060 Even if it has, even if it was nothing to do with the question, I think it would have just been Trump did this, Trump did that.

01:23:54.840 What about Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, you know?

01:23:57.320 And, and I don't think I would have gotten any of her views or solutions or initiatives or anything.

01:24:04.620 I think it would have all been just flipped around and pointed back at Trump.

01:24:08.520 Do you think it's possible there would have been like a spark of warmth between the two of you?

01:24:11.880 Yeah, I do.

01:24:15.040 Really?

01:24:16.080 Yeah, because I mean, I, no matter who it is, I'm going to treat the guests with respect.

01:24:21.200 And, um, and I think that's, I just, you know, in, in, you know, on top of that, I mean, do I like her?

01:24:28.600 Do I agree with anything that she did?

01:24:31.340 No, but I also know that there's an aspect of media that I'm probably not getting the full picture.

01:24:39.360 And so I want to hear them out.

01:24:43.300 Good for you.

01:24:46.520 But it was never going to be like a gotcha or a combative interview.

01:24:50.500 You know, I wouldn't have done that.

01:24:51.900 I've never done that.

01:24:53.100 I'll challenge people on stuff, but I'm not going to get into some type of a bickering contest.

01:24:58.620 And, you know.

01:25:00.060 Why?

01:25:01.080 Because I just, I'm, that's just not who I am.

01:25:05.500 You had a pretty ferocious job before.

01:25:09.340 We had enough of that.

01:25:11.020 Yeah.

01:25:11.320 Yeah.

01:25:14.300 Interesting.

01:25:15.160 Yeah.

01:25:16.040 Is there anyone you wouldn't interview?

01:25:21.220 Yeah.

01:25:21.860 There's people I wouldn't interview.

01:25:23.460 I don't interview people that, I mean, kind of said it earlier, you know, I don't interview people that are on the circuit. 0.96

01:25:31.240 I don't really give a shit about your new book that's coming out. 0.97

01:25:34.240 I don't care. 0.98

01:25:35.840 There's plenty of other podcasts that can do that.

01:25:38.180 I just, you know, what I look for other than that, because that's different.

01:25:42.400 Those aren't my values that we obviously differ on probably just about everything.

01:25:49.940 But I just, I just look for good people that are doing something in the world that aren't getting recognition or aren't getting traction.

01:26:00.920 And I think would be a good role model.

01:26:02.720 And that's, that's who I bring on the show.

01:26:04.680 And, and that's, that's one of the things I'm good at is being able to take somebody who nobody's ever heard of ever and people tune in.

01:26:14.940 And people will tune in because it's fresh material.

01:26:18.520 It's good people doing good things.

01:26:21.180 And, and they finally get the exposure that they needed to actually get some type of traction.

01:26:28.740 And what you interviewed Trump for hours, I think.

01:26:31.560 How long was that?

01:26:32.180 Well, one hour, one hour.

01:26:33.480 Yeah.

01:26:33.620 A little over one.

01:26:34.460 He was like, I don't know, 70 minutes or something.

01:26:37.220 What'd you think of him?

01:26:37.900 I really liked him.

01:26:40.820 I really liked, I wasn't expecting him to be as personal as he was, you know, and me and my, he met everybody on my team and made it a point to, it wasn't like shaking somebody's hand and talking to his assistant or, or, you know, it was direct eye contact, wanted to meet the entire team.

01:26:59.560 There was three NFL stars in there that came in to meet him.

01:27:04.100 Um, and, uh, as soon as I walked in the room, he like, didn't care about him, came right over, introduced himself.

01:27:11.840 I mean, it was very personable.

01:27:14.000 And then after the interview, sat down in a room and talked with us and it was really, uh, I was happy and I was more happy that he treated my team with respect. 0.98

01:27:25.140 And, uh, cause you know, you see a lot of people that are like, oh, you're just the fucking help.

01:27:29.100 And it's like, no, that's like who makes the whole thing. 0.81

01:27:32.220 So, you know, and, um, and, uh, so I really appreciated that.

01:27:38.520 You know, it was, you never really know what you're going to get with, with.

01:27:43.200 How do you think the administration's going so far?

01:27:53.380 Um, how about this?

01:27:54.920 I think there's some really, look, what do you like?

01:27:57.140 What don't you like?

01:27:57.760 I like that they got rid of the DEI stuff.

01:28:00.400 Yeah.

01:28:00.560 I think that was low hanging fruit.

01:28:02.580 Um, I think that, you know, they fixed it really quick.

01:28:05.900 I don't think we need to harp on it anymore and let's move on.

01:28:09.080 And, um, and, you know, I just interviewed Tom Holman.

01:28:13.480 What he's done with the border seems really impressive to me.

01:28:17.060 Um, so I'm really happy about those things.

01:28:19.760 I'm not happy that the Epstein files, uh, have not come to fruition yet.

01:28:26.480 I'm sure they're coming out any day now.

01:28:28.020 Wouldn't you think?

01:28:28.700 Yeah.

01:28:29.540 Yeah.

01:28:30.860 I won't hold my breath, but, um, but, uh, I think that.

01:28:35.920 I think we still need a lot of work, a lot of work and, um, I am losing hope.

01:28:52.840 Why?

01:28:53.940 What specifically makes you feel hopeless?

01:28:56.680 Oh, man, I mean, who's controlling our country and the influences and why haven't we seen these things?

01:29:09.420 And it makes me skeptical, you know, and, and I don't hear, you know, some of this is, I may just not know, you know, cause I don't, like I mentioned,

01:29:24.820 I don't pretend to know everything that's going on and I don't put the time in that I would need to, to, to figure it all out.

01:29:31.020 But, you know, there's things like the energy grid and it's like, man, like we really need to fucking do something with our grid like yesterday.

01:29:41.060 And, but is that more important than bombing Iran? 0.94

01:29:44.840 Yeah.

01:29:49.600 Yeah, it is.

01:29:51.420 And, um, yeah, you know, that, that stuff, and, and, you know, I get, I mean, I don't know.

01:30:01.000 I want to know like what the real motivations are and, and, and, um, I love everything he says and, uh, the majority of everything that he says.

01:30:10.680 But I, I, you know, I'd like to see the Ukraine, Russia thing finally come to an end and, and, uh, I like what they've done with Doge.

01:30:20.820 I think that maybe they, maybe they've cut a little bit more than they need to. 0.96

01:30:24.760 Um, but, you know, there's always human error with everything, but, you know, and, and, uh, look, I'm, I'm just fucking, I'm just, I'm going to get blasted for this.

01:30:35.440 But, you know, I mean, what, I see all these negotiations going on in the Middle East and then I don't know when these buildings were approved or when these deals got done.

01:30:44.300 But then I also see like, oh, there's a brand new hotel going up in Dubai or Abu Dhabi and another one going up in, in, um, um, Doha, I think.

01:30:54.000 And, and I'm like, did these like just get done also with the deals that just happened over there?

01:30:59.860 Or was this earlier?

01:31:01.260 I don't, you would probably know.

01:31:03.700 No, I don't know.

01:31:04.920 You don't?

01:31:05.700 I've not made $1 in the Middle East, not one.

01:31:08.000 Well, I mean, I mean, you're a lot more on the inside than I am.

01:31:13.620 No, no, no.

01:31:14.100 I'm just a, I'm just a visitor and a traveler and a watcher, but I don't, you know, there's.

01:31:19.080 That stuff kind of worries me, you know, it's.

01:31:21.480 Well, it seems like corruption, yeah. 0.98

01:31:22.620 Yeah, but, but, um, and, but you know what, you know, what like bothers me more than any of this shit is that people have just lost the ability to critical think. 0.96

01:31:33.360 And, and if you do say something about the tariffs or, um, is it Greenland or Iceland? 0.89

01:31:42.640 I can't even remember or whatever.

01:31:44.400 The big one.

01:31:44.860 Yeah.

01:31:45.360 If you do, if you throw any criticism towards any, and not just, not just Trump, but any, anybody that is in a position of power.

01:31:54.980 I mean, the U.S. has just become so tribal now and it's, it's, you cannot criticize or, or, or give any constructive criticism to what's happening without getting blasted.

01:32:10.860 And it's sad.

01:32:11.540 It's like, man, like you guys have a hundred percent lost all critical thinking skills. 0.97

01:32:17.620 Like you're not fucking thinking on your own and you are given the values that you align with. 0.97

01:32:24.880 You're no longer going off the way you were raised or what's true to you as a person. 0.98

01:32:30.740 I think a lot of people don't even fucking know what that is anymore. 0.86

01:32:34.940 And they're just told they're told they align with the tribe, whatever that tribe says they're going to do. 0.98

01:32:42.140 They're going to say they're going to follow.

01:32:44.340 And that's sad.

01:32:45.660 And, um, I think that that could resemble the beginning of the end.

01:32:52.160 I agree with every word and I can't help but note because I was there for it.

01:32:56.820 At the beginning of the internet, we were told that all of this information would make us better informed and would increase our critical thinking abilities and that people wouldn't have to follow the propaganda because they would have all the information.

01:33:12.920 And the opposite has turned out to be true.

01:33:14.720 People seem much easier to control than ever before.

01:33:18.180 Yeah.

01:33:18.840 And that makes me sad.

01:33:19.760 Um, so back to the, the heaviest thing I think you've said, which is that you don't believe that anything's real.

01:33:28.020 And again, I think most people can understand where you're coming from when you say that.

01:33:31.840 One of the effects of that is to make everyone like really, really paranoid when it turns out that, you know, most of the things derided as conspiracy theories are real.

01:33:41.980 Like clearly the explanation for 9-11 is silly, clearly, you know, and we're never going to find out any of this stuff.

01:33:49.400 And so I think a reasonable person concludes like, man, there's a lot going on.

01:33:55.160 I don't get, there's a lot of secret stuff.

01:33:56.880 There are a lot of actual conspiracies.

01:33:58.480 It's everything though.

01:33:59.700 Like I gave, you know, I'm not, I take a minute to process.

01:34:03.420 And so when you're talking about, oh, you know, what, what's fake?

01:34:06.380 And I brought up like COVID and something else that everybody already knows.

01:34:11.560 Right.

01:34:12.080 But, or at least most people already know.

01:34:14.520 But I mean, when you look at the elections, you know, in not just the U.S., you know, but let's look elsewhere.

01:34:20.140 Let's look at Romania and what happened there.

01:34:21.900 And they just, they just yanked this guy.

01:34:24.520 Yep.

01:34:24.840 Yep.

01:34:25.080 You're done.

01:34:25.720 Marie Le Pen.

01:34:27.020 I mean, we were close to interviewing her.

01:34:29.640 Me too.

01:34:30.400 In fact, I think we were in Paris at the same time.

01:34:32.160 We were. 0.98

01:34:33.680 And, and I mean, when you see that, it's just like, holy shit, like this is spreading. 0.97

01:34:40.340 Or maybe it's not spreading. 0.97

01:34:42.180 Maybe it's just always been like this.

01:34:43.900 I don't know.

01:34:44.500 But, you know, so obviously those were, obviously those elections are phony, you know, and, and

01:34:51.100 the EU is getting involved and France is getting involved and Romania is getting involved. 0.99

01:34:55.340 And it's like, holy shit, man. 0.98

01:34:58.220 Like everything seems to be engineered. 0.99

01:35:00.820 The guy in Bolsonaro in Brazil, another example, you know, and it's, it's, it's, it's, the, the, the, the ministry of truth.

01:35:10.740 I don't even know if that's still a thing, but it's like the, the what?

01:35:13.740 The ministry, the ministry of truth. 0.97

01:35:16.400 Are you fucking kidding me? 0.98

01:35:18.060 The 2020 election. 0.99

01:35:19.360 I mean, I was kind of skeptical.

01:35:20.740 I was there right in the middle of it.

01:35:22.080 And I thought, well, you know, if there's evidence it was stolen, I'll, I'll believe it, of course.

01:35:25.620 But I don't see any evidence or enough evidence to say that conclusively.

01:35:30.140 And then the last five years traveling around, seeing other elections, watching our country more carefully.

01:35:35.260 It's like, that was totally fake.

01:35:38.240 I can say that I think with confidence now.

01:35:40.240 But, but here's my point.

01:35:44.500 You, who I do think are one of the rare people just like committed to saying what you think is true, committed to remaining independent, right or wrong.

01:35:52.780 Like you don't want to be influenced.

01:35:54.120 You want to reach your own conclusions and you want to be awake enough to see signs from God.

01:35:58.900 And I admire all of that.

01:36:00.480 Like, but now you are supposedly part of the conspiracy.

01:36:07.120 Yeah.

01:36:07.640 Because you were a CIA contractor.

01:36:10.360 So, like, what does that mean to be a CIA contractor?

01:36:14.180 How did you get that gig?

01:36:15.300 What did it entail?

01:36:16.860 Are you still in touch with headquarters trying to subvert democracy?

01:36:23.140 I wasn't involved in any of those operations.

01:36:25.480 No, I mean, look, I mean, the road, I left the SEAL teams to start business and failed miserably.

01:36:32.300 What kind of business?

01:36:33.120 I wanted to do, it's funny, I actually read Donald Trump's book in Guantanamo Bay when we were doing some stuff in Haiti back in 2004.

01:36:42.720 And it was his book, How to Get Rich.

01:36:46.780 Wait, you read Donald Trump's book in Guantanamo Bay?

01:36:50.520 Yeah, in 2004.

01:36:51.480 2004.

01:36:52.860 And I think, no, it was whatever, somewhere around there.

01:36:58.180 And I read that book and I hadn't, I mean, I was on like a mini deployment.

01:37:02.380 We were in Panama doing some stuff with the Panamanian special ops guys.

01:37:06.740 Then the Haiti thing popped off that when we yanked Aristide out of there. 0.99

01:37:09.840 And then we were going on the real deployment.

01:37:17.040 And so before I even really deployed in the SEAL teams, I decided, this isn't all it's cracked up to be, at least for me.

01:37:27.440 And so I'm just going to do my time here.

01:37:30.040 What was disappointing about it?

01:37:31.380 There wasn't enough combat.

01:37:38.300 Really?

01:37:39.660 You wind up on a SEAL team in the middle of two wars and there wasn't enough combat for you?

01:37:44.460 Yeah.

01:37:47.180 Okay.

01:37:47.580 I didn't see near as much as a lot of guys.

01:37:52.360 I saw a decent amount.

01:37:55.860 But, you know, I went in to, like, do that job and wanted to do it all the time.

01:38:05.900 And I was not doing it all the time.

01:38:09.280 And so I left.

01:38:13.820 You've quit a metabolism.

01:38:16.680 You wind up on the SEAL teams and you're, like, kind of bored.

01:38:19.980 Yeah.

01:38:23.100 But it just wasn't what I thought it was going to be.

01:38:27.860 And then I had an opportunity to screen, not saying I would have made it, not saying I wouldn't have.

01:38:36.260 But I had an opportunity.

01:38:39.180 I don't mean I had the opportunity.

01:38:40.700 Everybody gets the opportunity to screen for Team 6 if they want it.

01:38:46.080 And I was like, well, that's the next level.

01:38:52.220 But it's another five-year commitment if I do it. 0.97

01:38:55.380 And what if it's the same shit that I have here with just a bigger budget with more cool toys? 0.97

01:39:02.540 And so I decided, no, I'm going to get out and be the next Donald Trump and businessman. 0.98

01:39:13.820 And got out, started a small real estate thing, failed horribly.

01:39:19.380 Where was it?

01:39:20.200 St. Louis, Missouri.

01:39:22.580 You went to do real estate in St. Louis?

01:39:24.080 Well, my family's from there, so.

01:39:26.360 What, South Florida wasn't available at the time or something?

01:39:28.920 No.

01:39:30.780 Just went home and.

01:39:33.000 Just in time for Ferguson.

01:39:34.340 Yeah, it was, too.

01:39:36.360 I actually got a great picture of me, Ferguson with the Molotov cocktail.

01:39:41.600 But it's a joke after it happened.

01:39:44.380 But, anyways, and so then my dad and I were going to actually start a Jimmy John's franchise.

01:39:56.080 And I didn't grow up with money.

01:39:59.960 And we needed some.

01:40:01.700 So I said, hey, I said I would never do this.

01:40:04.480 But overseas contracting is a big thing.

01:40:07.680 And it's paying pretty good.

01:40:09.620 So how about if I just do that?

01:40:11.660 I'll get the money that we need to start it.

01:40:13.520 And then I'll quit.

01:40:14.360 And we'll start that venture.

01:40:15.680 Wait, you went overseas as a contractor to pay for a Jimmy John's franchise?

01:40:18.660 Yeah.

01:40:19.260 Yeah.

01:40:20.900 Amazing.

01:40:21.520 Yeah.

01:40:22.540 And then 2008 hit.

01:40:24.200 Do you know Jimmy John, by the way?

01:40:25.400 Yeah.

01:40:25.620 I met him recently.

01:40:28.920 Great guy.

01:40:29.980 I love talking to him.

01:40:31.060 Good dude.

01:40:31.640 Yes.

01:40:32.240 At the out party, I think you met him, actually.

01:40:34.060 Yeah.

01:40:34.840 Yeah.

01:40:35.360 Yeah.

01:40:35.980 And we hung out a couple times.

01:40:38.040 I really liked that guy.

01:40:39.380 Did you tell him that you went, you became a military contractor so you could pay for one

01:40:44.500 of his franchises?

01:40:45.740 Yeah.

01:40:48.660 But that didn't happen.

01:40:51.260 Where did you go?

01:40:53.260 What do you mean?

01:40:54.000 Your first, when you first left to do overseas contracts.

01:40:56.600 So, where I first went, I did a, because I didn't, I didn't understand exactly how contract

01:41:02.960 contractors, I didn't know the game.

01:41:06.380 Yeah.

01:41:06.740 And so, there are different tiers of contracting.

01:41:10.420 And they have, they take your background and there's all these different, you know,

01:41:17.420 there's the DEA contract, there's the ATF contract, or not ATF, excuse me.

01:41:22.060 Uh, there's the agency, the NSA, the state department, um, all, there's just all, there's

01:41:29.260 all kinds of contracts that you can jump on.

01:41:32.160 And, um, and I had no idea what I was doing.

01:41:35.460 I thought it was all like one tiered system.

01:41:38.200 And, um, so I threw my name and, and this kind of recruiting thing and they came back.

01:41:44.220 There was a company called Armor Group and, uh, out of UK and they picked me up first.

01:41:49.760 And I was like, all right, well, whatever.

01:41:51.180 This seems pretty low level, but they wanted to make me like, uh, a guy in charge because

01:41:58.420 of my background.

01:41:59.060 And I was like, all right, fine, I'll go do this.

01:42:01.160 So I went and did the tryout.

01:42:03.300 It was a complete joke.

01:42:05.080 And then, um, got to Afghanistan and it was, they put me at the front gate of the, of the

01:42:11.680 embassy.

01:42:12.040 And I was like, I lasted about a week and I was like, Hey, give me a flight home.

01:42:16.380 I'm out of here. 1.00

01:42:16.920 This is fucking bullshit. 1.00

01:42:18.200 Like, I'm not, I'm not going to be. 1.00

01:42:19.800 You thought you were boarding the seals.

01:42:21.420 Yeah.

01:42:22.260 And, uh, well, I mean, then that's where all the V bids go off to the car bombs.

01:42:26.300 So I was like, nah, I'm not doing this.

01:42:28.360 And, uh, went home and, um, got into a, uh, fire academy.

01:42:38.160 Didn't like it.

01:42:39.200 And then a friend called.

01:42:40.540 A fire, I mean, to be a fireman.

01:42:41.800 Yeah.

01:42:41.940 To be a firefighter.

01:42:42.820 Cause I really miss the camaraderie.

01:42:44.920 And, um, and then a friend of mine that I served in Afghanistan with called me up and

01:42:51.700 said, Hey, um, there's a contract that Blackwater has, and I think you should try out for it.

01:42:58.100 And I was like, um, no, I'm not doing it.

01:43:00.860 I just did a quick pump.

01:43:02.520 I hated it.

01:43:03.780 I was with a bunch of guys that don't know what the hell they're doing.

01:43:06.280 Some of these people were like bank of America, security guards.

01:43:09.480 I was like, this is crazy.

01:43:11.800 And, uh, he goes, no, he's like, Hey, he's like, everybody on this contract has to be

01:43:18.780 from special ops.

01:43:19.980 It's a black contract.

01:43:21.660 I can't tell you who it's for, but just give me your resume and I'm going to try to get

01:43:26.480 you in.

01:43:26.820 And so I was like, all right, fine.

01:43:28.400 Gave it to him.

01:43:29.400 And then, um, got a call from Blackwater and, um, just told me where, when, uh, where to

01:43:38.100 be and what to bring.

01:43:39.560 And it would be, what did they want you to bring?

01:43:42.420 It was just, you know, you need these types of clothes.

01:43:44.940 You need this type of equipment and, um, show up here, go all the way to the back, to the

01:43:50.280 black side.

01:43:51.200 And, um, it'll be a month long course if you make it.

01:43:55.080 And, um, so I showed up and, and did the, did the vetting course at Blackwater and Blackwater

01:44:02.980 Carolina.

01:44:03.560 Yep.

01:44:03.840 And, um, and, um, made it.

01:44:07.140 What'd you think of the vetting course?

01:44:09.160 It was tough.

01:44:10.780 Really?

01:44:11.360 Yeah.

01:44:11.860 It was tough.

01:44:12.580 Having been through buds, you thought it was tough.

01:44:14.400 It wasn't tough like that.

01:44:15.680 It wasn't like, uh, you have to prove, well, you do have to prove yourself.

01:44:20.220 It wasn't like a, uh, they're not yelling at you and screaming and kicking you around and 0.96

01:44:25.140 all that kind of shit. 0.96

01:44:25.940 It is a demonstration of your skills. 1.00

01:44:29.280 And if you cannot demonstrate your skills to the highest level, then you can't.

01:44:33.840 You go home and, um, what kind of skills, shooting skills, driving skills, uh, close

01:44:41.180 quarters, combat that's entering a room and clearing buildings and rooms and stuff, working

01:44:46.100 with the team.

01:44:47.000 How do you integrate in with all these other special ops guys?

01:44:50.600 And, and so there's a lot that goes to it, uh, into it.

01:44:54.540 A lot of, they put you in a lot of, uh, extremely stressful situations and you, you have to handle

01:45:01.760 it flawlessly or you'll be asked to leave.

01:45:04.800 Um, but the shooting qualifications were, um, really tough.

01:45:12.400 Really?

01:45:13.020 Yeah.

01:45:13.920 Yeah.

01:45:16.420 Yeah.

01:45:16.920 The shooting qualifications were really tough.

01:45:18.860 And so was the CQB, the close quarters combat.

01:45:21.820 So like one, one of the exercises, they had this thing called the hooded box drill and they

01:45:28.900 basically put you in a room like this and they would tape a square and you have to, you

01:45:34.620 have to stand in the square and they give you either a rifle or a pistol and they have,

01:45:40.640 um, like fake flash bangs going off, smoke, yelling, screaming, role players.

01:45:48.840 And they put a hood over your head on a string.

01:45:55.220 So this hood goes over your head.

01:45:56.680 You can't see anything.

01:45:57.740 It's dark.

01:45:58.380 There's strobes. 1.00

01:45:59.140 There's all kinds of shit going on. 0.99

01:46:00.640 You can hear like all these screams and all this stuff going on and you are not allowed 0.99

01:46:07.600 to leave the box.

01:46:09.260 And so they set up the scenario and they lift the hood over your head and then you have to

01:46:19.200 deal with the scenario.

01:46:21.100 So like, I think the very first scenario, put the hood over my head and there's all these

01:46:27.080 people in there.

01:46:28.160 I can hear them and I lift, they lift the hood up on the string.

01:46:34.100 And there's a guy like closer than for me to you right now with a gun, with a rifle.

01:46:41.060 As soon as the hood goes up, he snaps my head.

01:46:44.900 Uh, you're wearing a helmet, but he snaps my head with the, with the muzzle of his rifle

01:46:49.140 would call it a muzzle snap and, uh, or a muzzle strike.

01:46:52.480 And it knocks me back.

01:46:53.600 And then there's all these people in there that this guy's armed, this guy's unarmed.

01:46:58.100 There's a female over there with a burke on and you don't know what's underneath. 1.00

01:47:01.980 And you got another guy with a person with a gun in their head.

01:47:05.980 People are shooting at you and you have to deal and process all that information, not

01:47:11.060 killing innocent, not killing unknown and, and deal with the situation.

01:47:16.380 And then, and then they call you back to your box, back to the box.

01:47:20.220 And it's very unemotional.

01:47:22.080 They're, they're, they're not like, Hey, you could have done this better.

01:47:24.920 Or why didn't you do that? 0.98

01:47:26.660 It's either get the fuck out of here or we're going to run a scenario. 0.98

01:47:30.880 And then you come back to the box and they put the hood back over your head and then 0.96

01:47:35.160 lift the hood and you're in a totally different scenario.

01:47:39.620 And it might be, it might be the next scenario they lift up.

01:47:45.260 Nobody's shooting at you. 0.98

01:47:46.440 Everybody's calm or people are yelling and shit and shooting their guns up in the air. 0.98

01:47:51.980 And you, you have to figure out who's a threat, who's an unknown, who's an innocent, who's 0.97

01:47:57.060 a, who's a, a blue helmet, which would be, um, a, an asset of ours.

01:48:03.240 He obviously can't kill the asset.

01:48:05.360 And, um, and so they run you through a number of scenarios.

01:48:08.980 They're doing that.

01:48:10.880 And a lot of, a lot of people, you know, fail that.

01:48:14.000 So.

01:48:14.800 But you did not fail.

01:48:15.920 No.

01:48:16.720 Did you enjoy it?

01:48:18.260 Yeah, it was challenging.

01:48:19.140 I like it, I like to be challenged and, um, it, and, uh, really like it, it, it, it, it's

01:48:29.660 really hard to put you in, in an environment that can be as stressful as what combat is.

01:48:36.020 And, uh, and, and, you know, when you're in combat, I mean, the decision-making has to

01:48:41.820 be on point and very precise.

01:48:43.460 Um, and they did a great job of simulating that kind of stress that you're going to

01:48:48.280 deal with, uh, when it's actually for real.

01:48:51.720 And, um, so I, I thought it was, uh, a great drill.

01:48:55.600 What kind of guys were at the training facility?

01:48:57.440 All former SOF.

01:48:58.560 So it was all SEALs, SF, Delta, Dev Group, um, a couple of Rangers, MARSOC, which is Marine

01:49:07.420 Special Ops, uh, Air Force, CCT, Air Force PJs.

01:49:13.140 Um, I think that covers it.

01:49:15.980 So highest, highest level that the U.S. military produces.

01:49:19.160 Yeah.

01:49:19.620 And you had to, you had to have that background and just to be able to try out for this specific

01:49:25.440 contract.

01:49:26.660 What was the contract?

01:49:28.060 That was the, they called it the OGA contract, which was the CIA contract.

01:49:33.180 What's OGA stand for?

01:49:34.620 Other government agency.

01:49:35.720 So then what, so you get it.

01:49:43.480 So are you still thinking about Jimmy John's at this point or has the box drill just wiped

01:49:47.660 that from your memory?

01:49:48.480 No, no, I was still thinking about it.

01:49:51.520 Um, but so, yeah, so then at the end you find out that it is for CIA and, um, you'd already

01:50:01.160 had your, your new clearances done and, um, and, uh, they give you dates, kick out the door.

01:50:11.800 How long was the commitment and where did you go?

01:50:13.580 There's no commitment.

01:50:14.520 Um, at least not that I remember, but first, uh, trip was to, uh, Kabul, Afghanistan and, um, you can do kind of, I mean, Blackwater, I think had a 60 day minimum deployments.

01:50:33.340 Um, so you could do up to maybe a hundred something days.

01:50:40.160 And so some guys go and they do a hundred something days.

01:50:43.440 They come home for a week and then they're right back out.

01:50:45.460 Um, and there's guys that do 60 on 60 off.

01:50:50.600 And, um, so you just kind of come up with your cadence and, and go.

01:50:55.680 What were you doing for CIA in Kabul?

01:50:58.120 So when I started this, uh, it was a protective unit.

01:51:03.000 And so, um, like the guys that, uh, fought in Benghazi, those, that's the, that's the, the program that I was in.

01:51:10.260 And so it kind of started off as a protective, um, type detail for, for actual operatives.

01:51:18.100 Uh, cause there is no, I mean, there is no Jason Bourne over there.

01:51:22.860 That's why they need people like me.

01:51:24.320 Cause it takes two people to be a Jason Bourne.

01:51:27.540 And, um, so we would help case officers plan their operations, plan their meets, stuff like that, conduct, and then conduct surveillance, conduct counter surveillance.

01:51:38.420 Um, get them kind of whatever they need.

01:51:43.340 And, um, at the beginning it was, and I wasn't really near the beginning.

01:51:47.720 I mean, I think I started contracting in 2007.

01:51:50.920 So the war had been going on for what, about six years.

01:51:54.680 And, um, so towards the beginning, I guess. 0.95

01:51:58.200 But, um, you know, it was real pain in the ass because, I mean, at the beginning of the war, you know, you had all these case officers coming in. 0.93

01:52:06.780 And then, and they're fresh out of school and they don't really understand the environment that they're in. 0.98

01:52:12.920 They don't think they need us until they need us.

01:52:15.900 And then they're screaming for us.

01:52:17.660 But a lot of case officers and chiefs of station and deputy chiefs of station, uh, that would be the head guy and head CIA guy in country.

01:52:26.880 They, they, they kind of saw us as a hindrance to their operations until shit started happening, like Benghazi coast, a lot of these, uh, tragic events that happened.

01:52:36.620 And then every once in a while, you'd get like a really good, sorry.

01:52:42.040 So let's backtrack a little more. 0.99

01:52:43.200 So you get a lot of these, and then you get the old timers that are coming in from the cold war and they're used to working in a semi-permissive environment or a permissive environment where they don't need that kind of shit. 0.99

01:52:53.220 They can just go and meet their assets and drink their fucking coffee. 0.98

01:52:57.580 They were in Vienna in the seventies. 1.00

01:52:58.640 Exactly.

01:52:59.480 Exactly.

01:53:00.080 Those types.

01:53:01.120 And then they go to Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan, you know, all these types of places. 1.00

01:53:08.520 And they, they bring that mindset with them and it's like, Hey bud, that shit isn't going to work here. 1.00

01:53:12.980 So these people fucking hate you. 0.99

01:53:15.660 And, um, but every once in a while you'd get a guy who was a retired green beret or a retired, uh, special operations Marine or a seal or whoever. 0.99

01:53:26.780 And they would, they would look at the, at the, the program that I was in and they would, they would, they would realize like, these guys are all special ops.

01:53:38.140 Like they have a lot of capability that we're not utilizing them for.

01:53:42.500 And so then, then things started getting added to the plate.

01:53:46.060 You know, they're like, Hey, could you guys do X, Y, or Z?

01:53:50.100 And we're like, Oh yeah, we can do all of that.

01:53:51.780 We just, you guys just don't utilize that capability because I don't think you realize that everybody here is extremely capable of what they do.

01:54:01.060 Not mall cops.

01:54:01.960 And, uh, yeah.

01:54:03.240 And, uh, so then they started using us for all kinds of stuff.

01:54:06.840 And, um, and, uh, it, it was, some places were interesting.

01:54:11.760 Some place was, were an Xbox tour.

01:54:14.540 Um, and, um, I mean, and you just sit around and work out and play Xbox, but, um, kind of depending where you're at.

01:54:24.440 So.

01:54:25.500 What was the most interesting?

01:54:26.460 How it all kind of works in some of the meetings that you sit in on and, and, and, and, you know, from a personal standpoint, I've always been fascinated with how people live in extreme poverty.

01:54:44.960 And, uh, and, uh, and to see, like, just to see it and experience it and, and, and, and be a part of it, try to blend into it, uh, was both a challenge and very fascinating.

01:55:01.220 How long did you do this gig?

01:55:03.520 Uh, right around, I think it was a little less than nine years.

01:55:08.380 Nine years?

01:55:09.200 Yeah.

01:55:10.260 Oh, that's a long time.

01:55:11.420 Yeah.

01:55:11.980 Yeah.

01:55:12.480 I took a little break.

01:55:13.580 Like, what did you think of the CIA?

01:55:16.200 Uh, once again, same, same kind of thing.

01:55:19.020 And that I thought of the SEAL teams, this isn't what it is crapped up to be.

01:55:24.580 Hmm.

01:55:26.340 Like, here's an example.

01:55:28.740 First day I get there and I'm just trying to get the lay of the land. 0.98

01:55:35.820 And so it's, I don't want to like talk too much shit because there are some very capable people. 0.95

01:55:40.420 And, and, and, and like us, like you get in the country, you don't even do anything for the first two weeks. 0.98

01:55:48.940 They're like, here's a map.

01:55:51.720 Here's some keys.

01:55:53.340 Other keys over there.

01:55:54.640 So you don't burn any of our cars.

01:55:56.620 Take a different one every day.

01:55:57.620 And you need to know this entire city, every back road, every road name, every venue, everything, everything about the city.

01:56:07.680 You need to know.

01:56:09.240 And if you don't know it in two weeks, then you're out.

01:56:12.020 And so you pair up with another guy that's never been in country and you just hit the roads and you know everything about that city.

01:56:22.740 Kind of dangerous white guys driving around Kabul. 0.75

01:56:25.440 Well, yeah, it is. 0.97

01:56:27.040 I mean, it is.

01:56:27.860 And you don't always dress up like white guys, but, you know, in a place like Kabul or Bad Dad, there's diplomats from every country.

01:56:34.260 There's State Department, CIA, NSA, DEA, FBI, and the equivalent of that in every NATO country, right?

01:56:49.740 So there's diplomats everywhere.

01:56:52.580 So sometimes your cover might be your diplomat in State Department.

01:56:57.320 And sometimes, depending on where you're at, you might be dressed up in Muslim garm. 0.97

01:57:05.880 And, I mean, they trick the vehicles out so they look local.

01:57:10.260 And so it's, I mean, you can blend in.

01:57:13.440 You're not going to like, you're not going to blend in, you know, running around the streets.

01:57:18.740 Right.

01:57:19.380 But you'll, at first glance, it'll pass.

01:57:23.860 And so that's what you do.

01:57:25.920 You learn everything, everything, everything about the city.

01:57:29.000 I know a lot of these places better than I know my hometown.

01:57:34.360 Nine years.

01:57:35.720 So what countries were you working in over that period?

01:57:38.980 I spent the majority of my time in Yemen, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

01:57:46.440 What's Yemen like?

01:57:48.200 It's my favorite place to work.

01:57:51.380 Why?

01:57:51.980 Because it is the poorest country in the Middle East and probably the most dangerous. 1.00

01:58:01.000 And it was, I just, I loved, I felt like I was doing more there than anywhere else.

01:58:10.160 And it was, you had to take tradecraft extremely seriously.

01:58:16.720 Very tribal country. 0.98

01:58:18.240 The North is completely different than the South.

01:58:20.600 And you had to learn the cultures of both so that if you're operating in the North that you know how to dress like the Northerners do.

01:58:28.280 You have to dress like how the Southerners do down in Aden and try to blend in. 0.79

01:58:33.780 And it's also like a spy game there.

01:58:36.660 I mean, the Russians were there, the Iranians were there, the Chinese were there.

01:58:40.440 And so you're trying to figure out where they're operating out of, what their safe houses look like.

01:58:47.180 Chinese were always super easy to identify because you would just be passing through Yemen and all these mud huts or safe houses or just houses.

01:58:55.480 And, you know, you drive by the Chinese compound every single time they have 120 antennas on the roof.

01:59:04.000 It's like, nice one, guys.

01:59:06.880 But it would get, I mean, and it's, so you're conducting, you know, normal operations and dealing with terrorists and assets and all that kind of stuff, you know, for the main initiative.

01:59:21.180 But on the other hand, you're also having to conduct surveillance and counter surveillance from the Russians, from the Chinese, from the Iranians, any other key players that are in those countries and have to know who's who.

01:59:33.140 And they're spying on us and we're spying on, it's very complex.

01:59:41.640 Did you chew got when you were there?

01:59:44.340 No, but I bought some.

01:59:46.180 But you never tried it?

01:59:47.080 No, I never tried it.

01:59:48.320 But the whole country is hooked on it, right?

01:59:49.780 Yeah, you would, I mean, it's, yeah, you would see these guys and just the whole population and, I mean, they would just be so zonked out on that. 1.00

02:00:02.140 You'd say, I'm in a shitty taxi drive with, they're not even blinking and flies are landing on their fucking eyes. 0.99

02:00:08.040 And it's like, holy shit, man, people live like this? 1.00

02:00:11.320 This is crazy. 0.99

02:00:12.140 And, yeah, you just never know who you're going to run into over there either, I mean.

02:00:19.780 What do you mean?

02:00:20.700 I mean, I would see, I would, oh, like other operators.

02:00:25.720 Like, I'd see, I'd see guys that are in safe houses from other units that are over there and, and I would see like their call sign up on the, on the board.

02:00:40.160 And I'd be like, is that who I think it is?

02:00:43.040 Oh, shit, I haven't seen him since like buds when I was in the SEAL team. 0.88

02:00:47.040 And I'd call over there and be like, hey, get, get up on the roof. 0.99

02:00:49.840 I want to see him.

02:00:50.700 We'd have a phone conversation, looking at each other, waving from rooftop to rooftop.

02:00:54.800 Like, what, go over and meet him.

02:00:56.780 What are you guys getting into tonight? 0.98

02:00:58.640 And they'd be running operations and killing bad guys.

02:01:02.020 And, and it was just, it was very unique and complex to be able to work there.

02:01:09.360 So you probably knew the Houthis existed before the rest of us.

02:01:12.180 Yeah.

02:01:13.100 What do you think of the Houthis? 0.99

02:01:13.980 Uh, I mean, I don't really follow up on it too much these days, but I mean, they took over that damn country and, um, in no time. 0.97

02:01:23.560 I mean, they yanked the, I can't remember if he was a president or a prime minister or whatever, but they took the whole country when we were there in like a matter of hours. 0.81

02:01:34.800 And, um, so they were, they were really effective and woke up one day and all these new checkpoints are out.

02:01:42.740 The, the, the guy got yanked out of the palace by the Houthis and, and on a totally different dynamic in less than 24 hours.

02:01:53.640 Were you ever afraid when you were there?

02:01:56.100 Yeah, a lot.

02:01:59.640 Did Americans ever get hurt when you were there?

02:02:03.980 No.

02:02:04.440 Interesting.

02:02:07.440 You wound up in Latin America. 0.74

02:02:09.160 We, we, we, we got shot at a lot and car bombs at the gates and shit like that, but not, not any heavy casualties. 0.88

02:02:17.400 No, no deaths. 0.60

02:02:19.340 How'd you wind up in South America?

02:02:21.460 Uh, well, when I left, I was, um, very addicted to adrenaline and, um, went down to Columbia.

02:02:33.600 I'd always wanted, when I joined the SEAL teams, I was really, uh, inspired by the Vietnam generation.

02:02:39.100 I just like was infatuated with that stuff as a kid, watched all the documentaries of all the SEALs in Vietnam and, and Green Berets.

02:02:48.060 And I, I just wanted to do jungle warfare.

02:02:50.140 And so the closest I could get to that was, uh, running counter drug operations out of Columbia.

02:02:55.460 Um, when I, when I joined the SEAL teams and then, you know, 9-11 happened.

02:03:01.020 So definitely wasn't going on, wasn't going down there.

02:03:05.760 And, um, so I had, uh, broken, broken up with a girlfriend and I was like, you know what, I'm going to go down there and check it out.

02:03:17.320 And, um, so I went down there for a little over a week, loved it, had the time of my life doing nothing Christian based.

02:03:27.620 And, um.

02:03:28.460 Where?

02:03:29.320 Cartagena is where I started. 0.99

02:03:31.020 And then, uh, went home, had a surgery and I was sitting at a bar in Cape Coral, Florida, listening to a bunch of lazy, entitled Americans talk about their opinion of the war and all this other shit. 0.98

02:03:50.740 And, um, I just got so fucking tired of listening to the shit on, on people's opinions that had never been there, had never done it, had never lost anybody, probably had never even faced any type of hardship in their life. 0.98

02:04:03.000 And they're just judging me and all of my friends. 0.99

02:04:05.780 And I was like, you know what? 0.99

02:04:08.020 I'm fucking out of here, man. 0.98

02:04:09.380 And, um, so I put my house on the market and, um, went back down to Cartagena, stayed with a friend. 0.99

02:04:16.340 Uh, the Secret Service scandal happened down there.

02:04:19.380 Remember that?

02:04:20.200 Yep.

02:04:20.740 And, uh, which kind of like put it on the map, um, for, for people to come visit and to, uh, go do bad things.

02:04:31.800 And, um, uh, and it became like very Americanized and I was like, ah, I don't want to be anywhere near Americans at all.

02:04:40.240 And, um, so I, I checked a lot of spots out around Columbia.

02:04:45.740 I went to Cali.

02:04:46.500 I went to Pareda.

02:04:48.700 I went to Medellin and then, uh, camped out in Medellin for about four years.

02:04:54.560 And.

02:04:56.180 Doing what?

02:04:57.300 Doing what?

02:04:57.940 Uh, doing.

02:05:01.800 Living a rockstar life and, uh, a lot of cocaine, a lot of girls, a lot of, basically what I was doing was, uh, chasing my adrenaline.

02:05:13.440 And, uh, cause I wanted to feel that all the time.

02:05:16.780 And it, it, it creates some type of, uh, imbalance in your brain when you have that many adrenaline dumps and you, it's, it's very much like a heroin addiction.

02:05:27.120 And, um, so I went down there and then I started doing a lot of shit that I shouldn't be doing, buying drugs that became a big rush, um, buying and sourcing and cocaine.

02:05:40.040 And, um, and so that's how it would get my thrills. 0.82

02:05:44.080 And, uh.

02:05:44.460 What were you, was that what you were doing for a living?

02:05:47.280 No, it wasn't for a living, man.

02:05:49.100 It was, it was for the rush.

02:05:51.120 And so, you know, I've talked about this on a couple of other, uh, podcasts, but, you know, there's a lot of like rumors going around there that I was down there working for CIA, setting up these drug networks when, yes, they do do that.

02:06:06.200 But no, I was by myself on my own program and I've always been fascinated with narcos and, and kingpins and cartels.

02:06:16.500 And it's like, it was, it was a major rush for me to go into the worst neighborhoods in Columbia and start setting up networks.

02:06:28.840 And it, it, it, I mean, it's extremely dangerous for a gringo to be, I would go in neighborhoods where there were, you couldn't get into the neighborhood without going through at least two checkpoints. 1.00

02:06:46.740 And, and, and so I would just, I would go in there, I would hang out, I would talk to people, I would buy drugs, cocaine, I would bring it back to my place, do them all, then go get more, go get more.

02:07:03.680 What does cocaine cost?

02:07:05.700 It's five bucks a gram.

02:07:09.460 So about a 20th of what it costs the United States.

02:07:12.140 Yep.

02:07:12.360 And so what I saw, you know, back to my entrepreneurial branch is, uh, you know, what it was going to be is, you know, you get, I admit, put mentioned that, you know, secret service kind of put sex vacations on the map for.

02:07:33.220 Which is not technically their job.

02:07:35.160 For rich white people to come down there and, and take advantage of that. 0.65

02:07:39.060 And, you know, down there, I mean, uh, prostitution and these types of things are not looked at like they are here. 0.98

02:07:50.260 It's an actual legitimate career.

02:07:52.860 And, um, and, um, so you get these guys that come down and, and that's all they want to do.

02:07:58.980 And they want cocaine, but they're all scared to talk to the Colombians. 1.00

02:08:02.160 Cause I think they're all cartel and they're all going to chop your head off. 0.97

02:08:05.160 And so what I was going to be was an intermediary and, and basically.

02:08:09.540 Sort of the maitre d' of Medellin.

02:08:11.540 Like I'll deal with all these people and I'll get you what you want and you can just talk to me.

02:08:20.180 For a fee?

02:08:21.220 For a fee.

02:08:22.720 Did you do that?

02:08:24.080 No.

02:08:25.740 Why?

02:08:26.120 Uh, because I got sloppy and I got ran out of there by the Colombian version of the FBI.

02:08:36.880 Did you go to jail down there?

02:08:38.760 No.

02:08:40.820 As soon as I caught wind of it, I left.

02:08:43.760 And, um, but I built, um, I built a network from the ground up.

02:08:50.160 And so just like how I was telling you, I take care of my team right now and I want the best for them.

02:08:57.000 And, and I treat them with respect and, um, very giving.

02:09:01.060 I was like that down there.

02:09:02.480 And so starting with the doorman, you know, I mean, I would live in these penthouses at the top story of the building, wherever I was at.

02:09:11.780 And I would make friends with all the guys that were at the door because they control who comes in and out of the building.

02:09:17.940 And so if I went to the grocery store, they got groceries.

02:09:21.780 If I bought cocaine, they got cocaine.

02:09:25.080 If I went to go get booze, they got booze. 0.99

02:09:27.840 If I went to go get pizza, they got a pizza. 0.99

02:09:31.700 And so I just took care of them all the time because I knew it would get to the point where they would watch my ass. 0.99

02:09:38.160 Yes. 0.99

02:09:38.840 And, and so I did that and built a great rapport with them.

02:09:42.660 And then, you know, nobody knows town better than taxis.

02:09:46.320 And so I would take taxis and take taxis and try to develop relationship with different taxi guys that were not scared to go into Barrio Antioquia, which is kind of the worst neighborhood down there.

02:09:58.520 And, and, and I would have my girls help me make decisions and, and tell me about the different taxi drivers that they use to pick them up from the clubs and stuff like that when they were done working or partying or whatever. 0.98

02:10:19.060 And, and, and so I developed a really good relationship with a couple of different taxi drivers and they would show me everything I need to know, all the places that people don't want to go where, and I would get in with them.

02:10:34.560 And then I would get in with the dealers and then the dealers would introduce me to their mid dealer.

02:10:39.440 And then they would introduce me to their guy and, and, and the network grew so big that if I went to other countries, they would know who I was.

02:10:51.120 And, um.

02:10:52.320 What were you doing for income?

02:10:54.280 Well, I made money contracting and your money goes a lot farther down there than it does in the U.S.

02:10:59.900 So I didn't really need any until I blew it all, but, um, but, um, so the story goes, uh, so that's what I did and, uh, got in a lot of really hairy situations where I didn't know if I was going to come out, didn't really care if I did.

02:11:23.900 Uh, I had, uh, kind of had the Hunter S Thompson, uh, mindset where if life gets too boring, then I'll just check out.

02:11:34.200 And, um, it was starting to get boring down there.

02:11:38.660 I had OD'd a couple of times and, um.

02:11:42.160 What's a cocaine OD like?

02:11:43.940 So cocaine OD is, you know, when you, I remember, uh, my best friend was down there for a little while with me and, and. 0.96

02:11:53.900 Um, I would always think, oh shit, I probably did too much. 0.99

02:11:58.400 I'm going to die. 0.99

02:11:59.980 And he got tired of me being paranoid about it.

02:12:05.960 And he goes, look, he's like, you don't need to worry about ODing on cocaine until things start slowing down.

02:12:12.600 When you're on speed and things get slow, that's when you're really riding the line.

02:12:18.720 And that had happened to me a couple of times where it sounded like my voice was in slow motion.

02:12:25.120 The people next to me, uh, that I was talking to all of a sudden sounded like the Will Ferrell thing where it was like, and I'm like, and you can't talk.

02:12:34.440 You can't get the words out that are in your head.

02:12:38.780 And, um, and that's when, you know, it's about time the lights are going to go out.

02:12:45.060 And, um, and they did go out.

02:12:48.080 But, um.

02:12:49.500 How do you recover from that?

02:12:51.280 Lots of volume.

02:12:52.660 Yeah, exactly.

02:12:54.180 Lots of volume, Xanax, stuff like that.

02:12:59.940 And, um, and, uh, so, so I had developed these, everything got boring to me.

02:13:11.180 So the women got boring. 1.00

02:13:14.280 It sounds weird to say that because it's like, you know, but it did.

02:13:19.460 It was like, there's nothing that you could say that I had not done.

02:13:26.240 And that got me to go deeper in and, uh, go to more dangerous places.

02:13:34.400 And, uh.

02:13:34.660 It doesn't sound weird at all.

02:13:35.640 It sounds absolutely right.

02:13:37.500 There's no satisfaction in that.

02:13:39.140 Of course it gets boring.

02:13:40.200 Yeah.

02:13:41.200 And, um, so then I started looking up the most dangerous places in the world.

02:13:45.640 And, uh, I looked up the most dangerous place in the world and it was San Pedro Sula in Honduras. 0.56

02:13:51.540 So I went there and started to try to develop a network there just for the rush.

02:13:57.400 What was that like?

02:13:58.440 Uh, got almost arrested on the first night.

02:14:02.760 So it didn't last long.

02:14:06.040 Were there other Americans down there?

02:14:08.680 In Honduras?

02:14:09.900 Yeah.

02:14:11.080 Not at that time.

02:14:13.420 Which I thrived off that.

02:14:15.740 It made me feel really alive.

02:14:18.060 Like, oh, this is like uncharted territory.

02:14:21.040 Nobody comes here because they're scared to death.

02:14:23.120 Did your dad ever text you to say, hey, what about the Jimmy Johns franchise we're supposed to be doing?

02:14:27.140 Nah, because 2008 happened and, um, so that it got called off at the very beginning of my contract career.

02:14:33.960 And then, and, um, yeah.

02:14:36.740 And he went on to do other things and, yeah.

02:14:40.580 So, and I was, I was frustrated, but the money was really good contracting.

02:14:46.820 And so I kind of got like stuck in this loop of like, well, I'll just go over there and make a bunch of money and then do whatever the hell I want to do.

02:14:55.980 So, and, um, yeah.

02:14:59.420 So, so, so anyways.

02:15:02.820 So, um, the last thing that got me, and I was talking to my dad too.

02:15:09.080 I knew I had a problem and I, I'm really close with my parents.

02:15:13.100 My dad's my hero. 0.99

02:15:14.840 And, um, I would call them all fucked up on Coke or Valium or Xanax or Hydrocodein or Oxy or whatever. 0.99

02:15:26.780 And, uh, cause always are drunk. 0.99

02:15:29.500 And, um, I would allude to my dad, like, I got to get the hell out of here.

02:15:34.500 I'm going to die.

02:15:35.240 And, and I wouldn't remember a lot of these conversations.

02:15:38.880 I'd be totally blacked out.

02:15:42.000 And, um, he was trying to get me to go get some help.

02:15:46.440 And, um, I lied to him, told him I was talking to this Vietnam guy about my experiences.

02:15:52.540 And I was, but that guy was a total mess too.

02:15:57.040 And, um.

02:15:57.800 He was there for the same reason.

02:15:58.800 Yeah, exactly.

02:15:59.580 No, this wasn't in Columbia.

02:16:00.840 This was actually in Fort Lauderdale.

02:16:03.520 And, um.

02:16:04.220 Same difference.

02:16:05.700 Yeah.

02:16:06.180 And, um, and I had, uh, there's this place called, uh, uh, what was it called?

02:16:15.000 Pointe de los Locos or something, which is Bridge of the Crazies.

02:16:19.240 And so it was like all these, like, look like LA.

02:16:23.440 Lots of tents under an overpass. 0.96

02:16:25.820 And, uh, crazy drug addicts, um, who have no direction in life. 0.99

02:16:31.660 Who are dirt poor. 0.99

02:16:33.900 And, um, had a bunch of girls with me. 0.75

02:16:36.520 And I went to that bridge.

02:16:40.200 And, um, it stacked up a ton of cash.

02:16:43.860 And thought it would be a great idea to throw all the cash up and just watch these people, like, go to town to try to get it.

02:16:52.320 And, um, very, very dangerous, uh, part of Medellin.

02:16:59.060 And, um, came back to my building, walked through. 0.82

02:17:04.580 And, uh, the doorman came up and told me that, um, that, uh, the national police had come to question him about me and wanted my passport and all this shit.

02:17:15.200 And, uh, wanted to know who I was, where I came from, what I'm doing, all of that stuff. 0.71

02:17:20.700 And I was pissed.

02:17:21.620 I was like, man.

02:17:23.280 And the guy's name was Freddy.

02:17:24.780 And, um, talking to him in Spanish.

02:17:27.640 And I'm like, man, I always take care of you. 0.99

02:17:30.720 I can't believe you would, you would try to suck more money out of me on this bullshit story. 0.97

02:17:38.960 And, um, he's like, no, he, he was trying to tell me that they had bugged the light outside my door and, which I couldn't understand. 0.99

02:17:49.880 My Spanish wasn't that good, but eventually I got what he was saying. 0.99

02:17:53.040 And I was like, this is complete bullshit. 1.00

02:17:56.780 There's no way. 1.00

02:17:58.700 And he showed me, he said, they have a picture of you at the bridge throwing money in the air.

02:18:05.120 And I had just come from there.

02:18:07.020 And so at that point I knew that he wasn't lying.

02:18:11.280 I was like, okay, literally nobody knows that I did that because it was like 45 minutes ago.

02:18:17.940 And the only people that would know is my taxi guy and the girls that were with me and the crazies that were living under the bridge.

02:18:25.940 And so he had said that they had set up a observation, um, basically an observation point at the building across from me and were watching me from that apartment.

02:18:39.600 So I went up and, um, identified it where it was, flushed all the Coke and, um, went back into my previous life on surveillance and counter surveillance.

02:18:57.840 And I did a, a counter surveillance route, uh, to a couple of different internet cafes, bought a couple of tickets, uh, to different places outside of the country and hauled ass to the airport, got, got out of there and never went back.

02:19:11.180 That day?

02:19:11.840 Yeah.

02:19:13.120 Was decisive.

02:19:14.880 Yeah.

02:19:15.600 Yeah.

02:19:15.900 So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's how that ended.

02:19:23.380 How long, uh, between that moment and the beginning of your podcast?

02:19:28.840 Not long.

02:19:29.980 Oh, the podcast.

02:19:36.120 Probably.

02:19:40.440 A couple of years.

02:19:43.540 So it, it, it, that wasn't that long ago.

02:19:46.900 Yeah.

02:19:47.260 You were leading a life that bears no resemblance at all to the life you're leading right now.

02:19:51.120 Yeah.

02:19:51.320 Like at all.

02:19:51.900 Yeah.

02:19:52.500 It took, it took a lot of work, you know, and, um, it took a lot of work to, to clean myself up and, and find a productive direction to start running.

02:20:03.920 And, and, um, and once, once I discovered business, um, that became my new addiction.

02:20:10.700 What do you make of the claim that you're still working for CIA?

02:20:17.120 I think it's, um, I mean, whatever people are going to think what they think, but, um, people don't understand how it works over there.

02:20:27.080 Um, and so, I mean, there's a part of me that understands it.

02:20:32.040 I'm like, eh, all right.

02:20:33.640 Like I didn't really come out of nowhere.

02:20:36.540 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:20:37.100 I mean, a lot of people say like, oh, this guy just pops on the map and like fucking gets ginormous. 0.83

02:20:41.760 And it's like, uh, you didn't see all the backend work that it took to get here. 0.95

02:20:46.360 And I started this in my attic as a one man team and then taught my wife out of film.

02:20:51.820 And it was me and her.

02:20:52.880 And we only did nine interviews for the first year and a half because I was editing sound video, cutting previews, doing social media packages, doing distribution, doing the research, interviewing, you know, all of that stuff.

02:21:07.860 And, um, so, I mean, it, I think it's, you know, it really pisses me off is when somebody that I am paying attention to because they're bringing things out that I'm into, they're going down rabbit holes and, and conspiracy stuff that a lot of time winds up to be true.

02:21:31.380 So, but then, and I think we're all on the same team and then I'll see him throw something out like Sean Ryan's a CIA shill.

02:21:39.780 And it's like, dude, I just, I was like totally fucking bought in on what you're bringing to the table and all of your research.

02:21:46.660 It was like really good stuff. 0.93

02:21:49.060 And I, I thought it was trustworthy, but when you throw something like that out there, you've just discredited yourself to me because you have no fucking proof because I'm not one. 0.98

02:21:57.160 And now I don't believe anything that you say, because if you're just going to loose lip, throw shit out there like that, then what else are you fucking throwing out that you have not verified? 0.98

02:22:09.300 I've had some more experiences. 0.99

02:22:10.740 Yeah.

02:22:10.940 Um, I do think that people are paranoid because it is true that the CIA operates against, you know, the constitution, against the law in the United States.

02:22:23.460 And it, um, it does try and shape news coverage.

02:22:27.140 Like that's a fact.

02:22:28.300 Yeah.

02:22:29.340 No, I mean, I'm, I'm, I, I know that that happens and, and, and happens all the time.

02:22:36.920 But at the same time, if you've listened to me, I've been extremely hard on CIA and I've talked about things that they have done that make me very paranoid.

02:22:49.280 Uh, after the interview, like we, I can't remember if we discussed that an hour ago or if that was last night at dinner, but I mean, uh, I, there, it, it, it, that, that, that happens.

02:23:02.520 And all the fucking time all over the world, but, you know, but nobody is ever able to pinpoint exactly why they think that they just throw it out.

02:23:13.280 Of course, like, like there was, it really grew traction after I interviewed, um, the founder of Palantir. 0.94

02:23:20.000 And cause I mean, people think that's a big war machine and, uh, and, uh, uh, uh, losing my train of thought here.

02:23:31.200 The, uh, military industrial complex type company.

02:23:34.200 And, and, but I mean, guess what, buddy, like we need innovators and we have to innovate. 0.99

02:23:41.680 We can't just be doing the same old shit. 0.86

02:23:43.440 And I want to know how we're innovating our military capabilities and our, our, uh, intelligence capabilities. 0.98

02:23:51.040 And that's a big part of it.

02:23:53.200 And it, you know, to be honest with you, it gives me comfort knowing that we are still innovating as much red tape as we have to deal with.

02:24:01.560 And I, I think that that's what gives me a glimmer of hope when we're talking about global domination and China and all that kind of stuff. 0.94

02:24:13.120 Yeah.

02:24:13.680 And if people don't even under, I don't know why Palantir has such a bad rap. 0.96

02:24:17.460 Maybe, you know, something that I don't, but I mean, to me, that was fucking genius. 0.89

02:24:22.260 It speeds up the decision-making process. 0.96

02:24:24.820 It speeds up the intelligence gathering.

02:24:26.920 We're able to access information, you know, lightning speed to be ahead of whoever our adversary is.

02:24:34.000 I mean, people are mad at Palantir because they disagree with U.S. foreign policy.

02:24:39.800 And I think that's kind of the main, from what I can tell, I'm hardly an expert on the subject.

02:24:44.040 But I think that it's, I mean, not to be a conspiracy nut, but your, you know, public performance over the past five and a half years has, you know, been run counter to the aims of the CIA, I would say.

02:25:00.780 I mean, it has.

02:25:01.560 And so to tell people that you yourself are working for the CIA secretly is a way to discredit you that if I were the CIA, I would be encouraging.

02:25:12.920 I guess that's what I'm saying.

02:25:13.600 Yeah, that's a good point.

02:25:14.620 That is a good point.

02:25:15.600 I mean, I'm very hostile to the CIA.

02:25:18.460 I've said that many, many times.

02:25:19.680 It doesn't stop people from claiming that I secretly work there.

02:25:22.720 Yeah.

02:25:22.940 So, and I've always thought that maybe that was, you know.

02:25:26.780 I mean, I've challenged people too because I think about it.

02:25:29.800 I mean, it would be impossible.

02:25:33.440 You know, I mean, they might, they might have somebody in operative do a five-hour interview and they might say, hey, this is all we need you to get in that interview. 0.99

02:25:50.520 It's this one fucking sentence. 0.96

02:25:55.700 And so the whole other five hours could be complete bullshit except for the one little thing that they want injected into that interview to create some type of a narrative. 1.00

02:26:07.520 And I'm always trying to look out for that, but it would be impossible.

02:26:10.660 It would be impossible to figure out what exactly that is if that operative is good.

02:26:16.780 And they'll do other things like, they may do other things like, hey, we know that this happened.

02:26:26.560 You're going to go to this show and you're going to talk about this.

02:26:31.140 And then two weeks from now, that's going to come out in the media or we'll wait until the interviewer releases that specific episode.

02:26:42.140 And then two weeks after, we're going to release this to the press.

02:26:46.640 And then they're going to say, this was said on this show by this person before it ever came out of the media. 0.92

02:26:54.940 And then when it comes out in the media, because everybody hates the media, but they still fucking watch it all the time.

02:27:01.680 That builds credibility to the operative. 0.58

02:27:04.520 You know what I mean?

02:27:04.960 And then they go on.

02:27:08.080 Oh, I know what you mean.

02:27:08.860 Okay.

02:27:09.360 You're tracking.

02:27:10.560 So I'm watching it all around me.

02:27:13.320 Do you feel that, have you ever had a guest where you thought, huh?

02:27:17.440 Yeah.

02:27:18.560 Really?

02:27:19.240 Yeah.

02:27:21.260 That this person might be acting on behalf of an intelligence agency?

02:27:25.940 About a couple of them.

02:27:28.180 Any confirmation on that?

02:27:30.140 No.

02:27:31.160 You know, gut instinct.

02:27:32.480 I don't want to name a bunch of names because if they're not, I don't want to.

02:27:39.180 Of course.

02:27:39.860 You know, but I just did a really good interview with this guy, Blarum Skoro, who was an asset.

02:27:46.440 He got recruited out of prison and then he got recruited in prison by the CIA to, right after 9-11, to make friends with all of the Muslim brotherhood, all the terrorists that were in there. 0.90

02:28:03.180 And so he built a network in there.

02:28:05.400 And then when he got out of prison, and so he would report back to the agency about like, hey, this is what this guy has done.

02:28:11.960 This is what he's a part of.

02:28:13.180 These are the people he talks to.

02:28:14.700 Because they all trusted him because this guy basically became like the head moolah of the prison system.

02:28:21.560 And when he got out, agency gets back in touch with him and said, hey, you're going to use this network and you're going to, your cover is going to be, you're building a Al Qaeda cell in Macedonia.

02:28:38.080 And so he would set up shop in Macedonia and he would go into Pakistan and go into Afghanistan and Syria, Iraq, Iran, all these, Russia, all these places.

02:28:50.380 And he would meet with the head, the head of the Haqqani network, the head of the Taliban, the head of Al Qaeda, like very, he didn't meet specifically with bin Laden.

02:29:05.220 But he's like one step away and so dangerous job.

02:29:09.620 No kidding, man. 1.00

02:29:10.940 That's the real Jason Bourne shit right there. 0.99

02:29:13.580 And what he would do is say, hey, you know, I'm recruiting because I'm setting up a terrorist cell in Macedonia. 0.99

02:29:22.540 And then they would give him all of these weapons.

02:29:26.040 They give him bombs, rocket launchers, guns, mines, you name it.

02:29:29.740 And then basically what he would do is tell him that that shipment is, is he would take care of logistics and to get that to Macedonia.

02:29:37.860 But what he would really do is get it to the agency and then supposedly they would destroy it.

02:29:43.840 What do you say?

02:29:45.040 Supposedly they would destroy it.

02:29:46.340 Well, who knows?

02:29:47.100 You know, I don't know.

02:29:49.180 But because I don't trust him.

02:29:51.640 But the so then he has an assassination attempt.

02:29:59.740 See how he cuts him.

02:30:02.080 He gets pissed off.

02:30:03.980 He's still pissed off, rightly so.

02:30:07.400 At the same time, I'm like, how do you think this works, man?

02:30:10.840 Like, you got burned.

02:30:13.580 They don't use burned assets.

02:30:15.300 Like, you're irrelevant at this point.

02:30:18.740 And then he started telling me about getting uranium out of Russia.

02:30:25.620 And so we kind of had this discussion.

02:30:29.280 And, you know, Russia is a big, obviously a big topic of discussion.

02:30:33.540 Some people think we should be in Ukraine.

02:30:35.160 Some people don't.

02:30:36.680 And some people think Russia's our ally.

02:30:40.120 Some people don't.

02:30:40.920 And I'm kind of like, this isn't really our war.

02:30:45.540 Why are we involved?

02:30:47.100 But I said, well, what are they going to do with these?

02:30:50.720 And he said that they wanted to get him into the U.S.

02:30:53.500 And it would blow. 0.95

02:30:54.980 It would kill half a million people.

02:30:56.960 And I asked him if he thought he'd done that.

02:30:59.500 But it didn't really fit in the interview.

02:31:02.360 It didn't fit.

02:31:03.300 You know what I mean?

02:31:04.240 It did not fit in the interview.

02:31:05.280 Do I know what you mean?

02:31:05.940 Yes.

02:31:06.200 In fact, I was just thinking that as you were speaking.

02:31:08.360 Like, we're talking about all these other things.

02:31:10.460 I don't trust this for a second.

02:31:11.720 And then all of a sudden, we get to Russia.

02:31:13.960 And so I just called him right there on the interview.

02:31:16.220 I was like, you know what goes through my mind?

02:31:18.860 I said, when's the last time he had contact with CIA?

02:31:21.800 That was exactly what I was just thinking.

02:31:23.080 And he said January 16th or something in 2022.

02:31:31.200 Like, knew the exact date and got really flustered.

02:31:34.660 And, I mean, I would probably be flustered, too, if somebody just said that.

02:31:40.480 And I wasn't.

02:31:42.380 But I said, you know what goes through my head is what if somebody contacted you knowing you were coming on the show to say that you were getting uranium to Al-Qaeda to sneak into our country to blow us up?

02:31:57.080 A lot of people want to see us go to war with Russia.

02:32:01.340 Did he tell you that Iran was trying to assassinate Donald Trump, too?

02:32:04.900 No.

02:32:05.360 That's my favorite.

02:32:06.360 No.

02:32:07.300 Iran was trying to assassinate Donald Trump. 0.79

02:32:09.660 Yeah.

02:32:10.440 Okay.

02:32:12.260 But I called him on it because it didn't fit in the interview. 0.96

02:32:16.100 And it was almost like, shit, I lost my opportunity to insert this into the interview. 0.99

02:32:20.900 So now I got to swing for the fence and just drop it. 0.99

02:32:23.760 And it just immediately clicked in my brain.

02:32:26.860 And then I got paranoid again. 0.99

02:32:28.720 I'm like, Jeremy, you got to, sorry, buddy, you got to fucking switch your phone out. 0.96

02:32:31.880 Like, you've been texting with this guy who knows what came in. 0.94

02:32:35.620 And, but I mean, you never really know it's going to be a gut instinct, you know.

02:32:41.780 And so, but I wanted to say that out loud.

02:32:44.100 Because if they're watching, and they probably are, then they know that, I know that I'm a target.

02:32:54.260 So I'm a little bit shocked.

02:32:56.180 I sort of knew the rough outlines of your life, but I didn't realize like 20 minutes ago you were living in Columbia and then you were on the road.

02:33:03.360 I mean, this just happened not 20 years ago, like seven years ago.

02:33:07.960 So that's got to be one of the hardest pivots, one of the most profound transformations I've ever seen.

02:33:17.340 I don't really kind of know anyone who's come this far in a separate direction in such a short period of time.

02:33:23.640 You're not even 50.

02:33:25.120 Where do you think it goes from here?

02:33:28.640 Who knows, man?

02:33:29.980 I do want to say something though. 0.94

02:33:31.500 You know, I think a lot of people think that kind of shit that I was doing down in Columbia is cool and it's adventurous. 0.93

02:33:37.480 And yeah, there was a lot of a journal and it was a good time. 0.97

02:33:41.160 It was definitely adventurous.

02:33:42.380 Like good or bad.

02:33:43.660 I think we can say that was adventurous.

02:33:45.600 But, you know, it was a, I mean, who knows where I would be if I didn't do that.

02:33:51.680 And I would have started this earlier, you know.

02:33:53.980 And it's just no way to live.

02:33:56.620 And everybody that you think is your friend is fake and everybody just wants to take advantage of you. 0.90

02:34:03.100 And once you get through the initial phase of, oh, man, this is like the coolest life, it's the loneliest fucking life that you can lead. 0.96

02:34:11.240 And I almost died because of it several times. 0.98

02:34:15.320 And, you know, how would it have turned up if I would have OD'd in one of those penthouses and my parents, who I love so much, and finds out, oh, yeah, there's our son, the Navy SEAL CIA contractor decomposing in a fucking penthouse in Columbia because he OD'd on cocaine. 0.95

02:34:35.260 And that scenario went through my head a lot of times.

02:34:39.340 And so I just, you know, I just, I don't want to encourage anybody to do that.

02:34:43.460 But that was a low point in my life and something I'm not proud of.

02:34:48.500 You've been a, I would say, pretty vocal advocate for sobriety in this job.

02:34:56.180 How many of the guys who work for you are sober?

02:34:59.640 Almost the majority of the team.

02:35:03.580 I think there's two guys that drink.

02:35:07.220 Do you think sobriety is going to catch on as a way to live?

02:35:09.680 Absolutely.

02:35:10.460 I think it's already a catch.

02:35:11.680 There's a, there's a huge wave.

02:35:13.500 It's like the new thing to do, it seems like.

02:35:16.620 Truly sober, just like not using pills, alcohol.

02:35:20.620 Yeah.

02:35:23.400 Do you think we're in the middle of some kind of Christian revival?

02:35:28.620 Absolutely.

02:35:30.200 A hundred percent.

02:35:31.160 I mean, have you seen, have you seen the baptism parties that are going on at, at colleges that look like, it looks like it's a kegger, crazy tailgate party.

02:35:41.780 And they're baptizing people in the back of the back of trucks.

02:35:44.980 And yeah, I think there's a huge wave going on.

02:35:48.420 I think so too.

02:35:49.680 It's cool to see.

02:35:51.540 Do you think the U.S. government can continue?

02:35:55.500 Continue what?

02:35:57.600 To exist.

02:35:58.240 Do you think the current system can continue?

02:36:02.260 I think it will continue.

02:36:04.480 You do.

02:36:09.180 Because it does feel like we're moving towards something.

02:36:12.900 Like a one world government?

02:36:14.280 I'm not sure what, I'm not sure what, but it seems like so much change in a short period of time.

02:36:19.880 The scale's falling for so many people realizing that, you know, what they believed was real is not.

02:36:26.600 Questions people are asking, the resurgence of Christianity in the country.

02:36:30.840 I mean, it all seems to be happening at once.

02:36:33.580 And I know, you know, in every age people think the end is near, but does that ever occur to you?

02:36:39.080 I think it will, I think it will continue to exist until people no longer have the appetite for it to exist.

02:36:49.460 You think we're pretty far from that?

02:36:53.820 It goes back to critical thinking.

02:37:00.200 Yeah.

02:37:00.720 Maybe that's right.

02:37:02.720 Last question, because I can't resist.

02:37:04.260 I know you spent a lot of your time talking about this, but having fired every firearm, been trained on every firearm, what are your favorite firearms?

02:37:13.560 Favorite firearms?

02:37:14.600 Yeah.

02:37:15.320 I like lever actions.

02:37:17.100 Come on.

02:37:17.520 You're, now.

02:37:19.560 I do too.

02:37:20.660 They're my favorite, but like. 0.99

02:37:22.420 I mean, I'm tired of all the tactical black gun shit. 0.98

02:37:25.620 I mean, that was my life for 14 years, you know. 0.99

02:37:28.740 And, but I have a lot of them.

02:37:32.020 I bet you do.

02:37:34.040 But I don't get excited about them.

02:37:36.100 I get excited about lever actions. 0.98

02:37:37.760 Now, if you're going to ask me, you know, shit, it's the fan. 0.99

02:37:40.600 What am I going to? 0.99

02:37:41.460 It definitely isn't going to be my lever action.

02:37:43.280 And it's going to be my AR because I know that like the back of my hand and it's a tool that I'm really good with.

02:37:50.500 So.

02:37:51.420 But when you shoot for fun with just open sights?

02:37:56.180 Yeah.

02:37:57.480 Open sights.

02:37:58.520 You know what I really like is, I don't even know what it's called, but it's a revolver, but it's the, you know, you lift the little thing up and you have to load it one by one.

02:38:07.900 Yeah.

02:38:08.060 Like what is that?

02:38:08.760 The 12 shot 22s that they, the cowboy guns.

02:38:11.280 I got a 45 long Colt one.

02:38:14.220 Is it just single action?

02:38:16.000 Yeah.

02:38:16.480 Dude, I love it. 0.98

02:38:17.540 I can't hit a damn thing with it, but. 0.97

02:38:20.080 And it's got the pin that you push the. 0.98

02:38:21.800 Yes.

02:38:22.360 The holes out with.

02:38:23.200 Yes.

02:38:23.740 I love that thing.

02:38:26.000 Really?

02:38:26.600 Yeah.

02:38:27.080 Talk about your life going for full circle.

02:38:29.200 So you went from like, you know, some high tech Kimber to a single action.

02:38:33.360 Yeah.

02:38:34.220 Cowboy gun.

02:38:35.040 I love it.

02:38:35.760 And you went from the AR platform to the lever.

02:38:38.200 What do you, what, what do you prefer the lever gun chambered in?

02:38:42.500 357.

02:38:44.640 I knew I liked it.

02:38:45.920 357 revolve.

02:38:47.000 Same ammo.

02:38:47.860 Side arm and long gun.

02:38:49.640 That's, that's my, that's my favorite pair.

02:38:51.920 Right.

02:38:52.100 And I, I could see beneath the, beneath the fame.

02:38:58.140 I knew that you were the kind of man who preferred 357.

02:39:01.060 I love it.

02:39:01.800 A straight wall cartridge.

02:39:02.940 Amen.

02:39:03.860 Sean Ryan.

02:39:04.400 Thank you very much.

02:39:05.360 Thank you.

02:39:05.720 And congratulations.

02:39:06.700 Thank you.

02:39:07.560 It's an honor being here.

02:39:08.540 You're one of, you're one of the people.

02:39:09.980 And this is not true for everybody, but every time I see some marker of your like continuous

02:39:14.860 success, I am thrilled.

02:39:16.220 I'm thrilled by it.

02:39:17.080 And I mean that.

02:39:17.800 Well, that means a hell of a lot.

02:39:18.940 I'm not joking at all.

02:39:20.100 I thought, and part of it is just like my narcissism because I saw you because my nephew

02:39:25.400 sent me a clip from you and I was like, that guy's really talented.

02:39:27.900 I like knew instantly, I knew you'd be successful.

02:39:32.080 And the fact that you had no background whatsoever, I didn't quite realize how far you were, but

02:39:36.180 you did not go to the Columbia School of Broadcasting.

02:39:39.620 But your, your natural ability to interview people and to listen to them and to empathize

02:39:46.560 with them, I, it just came right off the screen.

02:39:49.760 I was like, that guy's going to be a star and you have been, and I just find it thrilling.

02:39:53.040 Thank you, Todd.

02:39:53.560 Thank you.

02:39:53.920 That means a lot.

02:39:54.980 Thank you.

02:39:55.480 And congratulations on all your success as well.

02:39:57.940 It's been cyclical.

02:40:00.220 Oh, and Alp.

02:40:01.300 Can I just say, I never do this.

02:40:03.460 I'm proud to call this man an Alp user.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - May 20, 2025

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