The Tucker Carlson Show

00:00:00.000 There's a lot going on in the world right now, but if you're on social media, and of course you are, because it's really America's only remaining news source, you know there's only one story going on, and it's Israel.

00:00:10.640 Everyone online is arguing about Israel, and really they fall into one of two camps, generally speaking.

00:00:17.500 So probably the more aggressive side are the deranged Taliban-level ethno-narcissists who are telling you that any criticism of the secular government of Israel is tantamount to blood libel against the Jewish people.

00:00:30.000 And if you think that maybe it was not a great idea to arm Joseph Stalin, the greatest murderer in history, then you're a Holocaust denier! Shut up! 0.99

00:00:39.480 And then on the other side, a group every bit as obsessed with Jews are the people who hate Jews who are telling you that anyone who's Jewish is bad by virtue of being Jewish. It's a blood thing. 1.00

00:00:51.100 Two things are interesting. One, there are very few kind of conventional Christian voices saying, wait a second, this is a secular government, another country.

00:01:00.000 And it has probably nothing to do with my religion or anybody's religion, and we should never judge people on the basis of their immutable qualities because guilt and virtue are not passed down genetically.

00:01:15.840 But almost no one is saying that. So you really have the ethno-narcissists and the anti-Semites, and they're at war with each other.

00:01:22.520 That's the online picture.

00:01:24.220 What's even more interesting and maybe even more distressing is that in the U.S. government, the conversation, while much more muted, is a mirror of this in that a lot of the conversation is about Israel.

00:01:36.420 Israel, a tiny country in the Middle East, not critical to our national security, by the way, but the conversation, the bandwidth is consumed by questions of Israel.

00:01:48.200 So wherever you stand on Israel, whether you're on one of the two sides just described or neither one of them, you know in your gut that this is bad.

00:01:56.660 If a country like ours, supposedly the most powerful in the world, is devoting all of its time internally to conversations about Israel, it's probably not going in a good direction.

00:02:06.160 There's probably a lot being neglected in favor of this very specific boutique conversation about this tiny little country.

00:02:14.660 It's just not good for anybody, including Israel, by the way. 0.99

00:02:17.720 So what's the antidote to this?

00:02:20.800 How do you fix it?

00:02:21.600 Here are four things you can do to make the conversation about Israel and the relationship with Israel a lot healthier than it currently is.

00:02:31.380 Here are the four.

00:02:33.020 The first is get some global perspective on what we're talking about.

00:02:37.400 The United States is a nation of 350 million people.

00:02:41.480 It has some of the deepest natural resources in the world that would include energy and water, agricultural products.

00:02:48.540 The United States, however it's managed, is a powerhouse globally and always will be because its strength is inherent.

00:02:55.480 It's a huge, decisive country in the scope of world history.

00:03:00.500 The United States makes things happen.

00:03:02.900 Israel is not an insult, merely an observation.

00:03:04.880 The United States, by contrast, is a tiny and inherently insignificant country, at least geopolitically, in that it has only 9 million people and no natural resources, no meaningful natural resources.

00:03:17.160 So it is insignificant.

00:03:19.020 It is also physically tiny.

00:03:21.240 It's about the size of New Jersey, famously, but it has a much smaller GDP than New Jersey.

00:03:27.900 It is a much smaller economy than the state of New Jersey.

00:03:30.520 It has an economy about the size of the state of Arizona.

00:03:32.480 And almost one half the economy of the state of Massachusetts or Illinois.

00:03:37.220 It just doesn't really matter, actually.

00:03:39.720 If you're looking at a map and thinking through, you know, where does power politics go?

00:03:44.260 Israel's not even on the list.

00:03:46.240 Again, it's tiny.

00:03:48.840 It's got the population of Burundi.

00:03:52.240 It's got a smaller population than Belgium.

00:03:54.120 Like, what is this anyway?

00:03:55.440 And yet, despite its objective insignificance, it is the focus of the conversation, but it's also the focus of the spending.

00:04:03.420 So right now, as we speak, tonight, there are two THAAD missile batteries in Israel.

00:04:11.360 That's one quarter of the world's total supply of THAAD missile batteries.

00:04:15.680 The THAAD missile battery is an American-made, very high-tech missile battery that takes incoming missiles out of the sky.

00:04:22.500 And one quarter of the world's entire supply of these is in Israel right now, manned by U.S. troops, by Americans.

00:04:32.300 In uniform or not, they are American military personnel.

00:04:35.860 And they are manning these batteries to protect Israel. 0.78

00:04:38.660 And that shouldn't surprise you, because since October 7, 2023, which is a little less than two years ago, the United States has spent, at minimum, $30 billion defending Israel.

00:04:50.260 Huge.

00:04:51.000 And for some perspective, the entire Israeli military budget before October 7th was about $25 billion.

00:04:59.320 So the United States has put at least $30 billion into defending Israel in less than two years.

00:05:04.980 Over the course of its existence, a little less than 80 years, the United States has put $300 billion, at least, those are just the on-books numbers, into supporting Israel.

00:05:14.740 $300 billion.

00:05:16.260 Israel is by far, no one comes close, the largest recipient of U.S. aid over time and currently.

00:05:23.760 So anyone who says, oh, it's just a drop in the bucket, it's totally insignificant, is lying or doesn't know the numbers.

00:05:29.880 By the way, number two is Egypt.

00:05:31.180 So why are we spending so much money on Egypt?

00:05:32.620 Well, we're doing it at the request of Israel. 0.51

00:05:33.960 So you could probably add that to the tally.

00:05:36.140 It's not an attack.

00:05:37.100 It's merely perspective.

00:05:40.060 We are spending our time, our money, and we're taking enormous risks on behalf of a country that geopolitically is not significant at all.

00:05:51.800 The interesting thing is most Americans have no idea that this is true.

00:05:56.860 They don't know how disproportionate our attention to Israel and our spending on Israel is relative to the rest of the world.

00:06:04.340 And if you want some sense of how disproportionate, India and China combined, neither of which is a strong ally at the moment, combined represent more than a third of the entire world's population.

00:06:16.040 Both are rivals economically, both are rivals militarily, at least potentially.

00:06:19.520 And our relationship with them has gotten worse or at the very least languished because of our relationship with Israel, because of the bandwidth consumed by tending to it, and also because of some of the inevitable conflicts that have arisen because of our support for Israel, which is engaged in an extremely controversial, which is to say hated war in Gaza, which is not even really a war. 0.59

00:06:41.420 However, it's a massive displacement of people and killing on a grand scale of unarmed people, of unarmed combatants, of civilians, of women and children.

00:06:51.280 And the world sees this, and the world rejects it, and the world hates it.

00:06:55.200 And so Israel's really last remaining ally of size, other than the UK, is the United States.

00:07:00.940 And so there's a huge cost to this.

00:07:03.240 But again, most Americans have no perspective on just how disproportionate our commitment is because they marinate in lies about this relationship, mostly from our political class, also from the media.

00:07:16.520 But really, if you were to lay the blame on one group in the United States, it's our elected leaders who continuously lie to us about the nature of this relationship, its significance.

00:07:26.840 And they do it generationally.

00:07:30.140 They've been doing it for many decades.

00:07:31.900 Here, and this is just one example, but the most fun to watch.

00:07:36.300 This is Nikki Haley at the Republican Presidential Primary Debate 2023, describing the United States' relationship with the state of Israel.

00:07:44.080 Watch.

00:07:44.960 The last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do.

00:07:48.360 The only thing we should be doing is supporting them in eliminating Hamas. 0.95

00:07:52.280 It is not that Israel needs America.

00:07:55.700 America needs Israel. 0.98

00:07:58.800 It is not that Israel needs the United States.

00:08:03.820 The United States needs Israel. 0.99

00:08:06.440 How could that possibly be true?

00:08:09.500 It is in no sense true.

00:08:11.660 In fact, it's one of those lies that's not three degrees off the truth.

00:08:15.500 It is a complete inversion of the truth.

00:08:17.780 And the truth, which is obvious to anyone who looks at the numbers or is paying any attention at all, is that Israel could not survive without the United States. 0.74

00:08:24.660 That's not an argument for pulling all aid to Israel.

00:08:27.540 It's just an acknowledgment of the physical reality.

00:08:30.820 Israel fights its wars with American backing, with the guaranteed, the implied defense guarantee that we have provided for so many years, since at least 1973.

00:08:38.680 50 years.

00:08:39.340 And its social services are made possible, which are quite generous, made possible by American subsidies.

00:08:46.980 In other words, every dollar that goes to the Israeli military from the United States is a dollar that the nation of Israel can spend on its own people.

00:08:56.300 And so there is no world in which America needs Israel more than Israel needs the United States. 0.61

00:09:05.820 And, of course, Nikki Haley was never asked to explain how exactly that could be true.

00:09:10.200 What are you talking about, Governor Haley?

00:09:11.840 Not one person asked her that question.

00:09:13.760 And no one asked her that question because anyone in whose mind that question appeared would have paused for fear of being attacked as an anti-Semite for asking a question about geopolitics.

00:09:25.320 That has been the state of play in the United States for my entire life, over 50 years.

00:09:31.580 Politicians make nonsensical statements.

00:09:33.680 Nobody wants to even ask a follow-up question for fear of being attacked.

00:09:37.780 It is a state of perpetual intimidation.

00:09:41.100 And everybody's afraid of Israel, afraid of the topic, afraid, in some cases, of the state itself.

00:09:48.340 We have not had an honest conversation about this ever, certainly not in my lifetime.

00:09:54.660 And that suits the Israelis just fine. 0.99

00:09:56.800 And if you're wondering why there's an awful lot of lunatic anti-Semitic comment about Israel online, you have to wonder how much of that is organic.

00:10:05.680 Some of it, of course, there are always haters.

00:10:08.040 But how much of it is not organic at all? 0.96

00:10:10.360 How much of that, the lunatic, all Jews are evil, how much of that is being ginned up on purpose to make legitimate questions about the U.S. government's relationship with the government of Israel seem like crackpot stuff, like hate, like David Duke level lunacy? 0.98

00:10:31.400 Probably some, because it serves their interests. 0.97

00:10:36.180 Now, that is a criticism of the state of Israel and its incredibly sophisticated propaganda campaign, which, again, the rest of us have been marinating in for a long time.

00:10:45.980 But the true villain here, I would argue, is not the state of Israel, the Jews. 1.00

00:10:52.900 It's the United States.

00:10:54.460 It's our leaders who are putting up with this.

00:10:57.480 Israel is a small country with very limited resources, and it is doing its best to serve its own interests. 0.82

00:11:03.960 You'd think every country would act that way, and most do.

00:11:06.740 But there are some that don't, and ours would top that list.

00:11:10.620 And so the true shame here, the actual villain in this story, is the leadership of the United States that is putting up with serial humiliation for decades.

00:11:20.620 And for what reason?

00:11:23.400 So if there's someone to be mad at, it's our leaders.

00:11:27.280 And that leads to the second thing that we can do to fix this truly unhealthy relationship, this poisonous relationship, which is getting worse, by the way.

00:11:35.500 It's breaking our society into pieces.

00:11:38.000 It's truly hurting the Trump administration.

00:11:40.760 The second thing we can do, after getting global perspective on what we're actually talking about here, a tiny country that is, in the deepest sense, insignificant to the United States, the second thing we can do is get some freaking self-respect and stop being ordered around by a client state.

00:11:55.300 That's not good for us.

00:11:56.760 It's not good for them.

00:11:58.920 It's not good for anybody.

00:12:00.320 It's like being screamed at by your children.

00:12:02.780 No normal parent would allow that because it's totally destructive.

00:12:08.040 It's not good for you, and it's not good for the child.

00:12:10.760 And that is exactly the relationship that we have with the state of Israel.

00:12:14.020 In fact, not in theory, in fact, it is a huge country and a tiny country.

00:12:20.020 The huge country supports the tiny country.

00:12:22.260 And that's a pretty nice thing to do.

00:12:24.260 Whether it's wise or not is a whole separate conversation.

00:12:26.420 But if you're going to have that relationship apparent to a child, you cannot be yelled at, humiliated, spied upon, bossed around by the child, by the person in the inherently subordinate position.

00:12:38.740 You can't do that.

00:12:39.600 And you can't be shamed into ignoring things that are quite clearly not the behavior of a subordinate ally to a big brother ally.

00:12:48.480 For example, spying on the country that makes your economy and your defense possible, which the Israelis have been doing for generations. 1.00

00:12:54.940 That's a fact.

00:12:55.840 One of them very famously was caught, Jonathan Pollard, who's an American citizen, taking real secrets, like actual military secrets, and sending them to Israel, which promptly sent a bunch of them to the Soviet Union, which was our arch rival, our foe at the time.

00:13:10.740 And that happened, and he went to prison, and then somehow he got out of prison and went to Israel, where he continues to denounce the United States.

00:13:17.020 And anyone who says anything about it is attacked.

00:13:19.840 Oh, you're an anti-Semite. 0.92

00:13:21.380 There's nothing to do with anti-Semitism. 0.99

00:13:24.280 That's insulting.

00:13:25.440 Why would we ever put up with that?

00:13:27.140 Why would we put up with the attack on the USS Liberty that everyone's so afraid to talk about, clearly targeted on purpose by a country we're supporting, Israel? 0.92

00:13:34.500 And it's somehow shameful to say that?

00:13:37.540 Why?

00:13:37.920 Why is it shameful to say that?

00:13:39.620 Who knows why it's shameful to say that?

00:13:41.320 But it shouldn't be.

00:13:42.760 And until we have some self-respect, not anger or hate, but just dignity, it will continue.

00:13:49.540 In June, for example, during the 12-day war, such as it was with Iran, the U.S. and Israel versus Iran, bombing on all sides,

00:14:00.080 during that short conflict, IDF officers in the Pentagon, foreign military officers in the Pentagon,

00:14:07.220 and by the way, they're not the only foreign military officers in the Pentagon, to be clear.

00:14:11.140 There are NATO officers, they're from other countries, British,

00:14:16.100 but there are a bunch of Israeli Defense Force officers in the Pentagon that week.

00:14:22.080 And during that week, ask anyone who works at the Pentagon, they enraged American Pentagon staff by just barging into meetings,

00:14:32.720 giving orders, making demands, and nobody did anything about it.

00:14:38.140 How can a foreign military officer barge into military headquarters, even if invited,

00:14:43.540 but barge into a meeting and start demanding, we want this, we want that, you need to get on this?

00:14:48.100 Huh?

00:14:48.400 Huh? The more you allow that kind of deeply unhealthy behavior, the more you're going to get.

00:14:56.140 And that's exactly what has happened.

00:14:58.240 Because of the weakness of our leaders, we have incited predators in a foreign country to take advantage of us.

00:15:05.440 Oh, that's such an anti-Israel thing to say. It's not anti-Israel at all.

00:15:09.300 It's a demand that the people whose job it is, whose sacred duty it is to defend and represent us,

00:15:15.140 our leaders, both at the Pentagon and all throughout the U.S. government, that they do that,

00:15:21.220 that they stand up and defend us against all potential threats,

00:15:26.880 against all foreign countries to the extent they need to,

00:15:29.340 and that they do not prostrate themselves before a foreign nation.

00:15:33.680 That's just basic.

00:15:34.780 Why have a government, especially a strong government,

00:15:37.920 if it's taking orders from another weaker government?

00:15:40.200 And that is the state of play.

00:15:42.260 And it has been for a very long time.

00:15:45.900 And they're not even pretending to such an extent that the prime minister of Israel

00:15:51.200 goes on television to openly participate and meddle in internal American politics,

00:15:59.320 taking sides, attacking people, Americans.

00:16:03.580 You wouldn't think it would be his business.

00:16:04.840 He's not an American leader.

00:16:07.020 He's not even an American citizen.

00:16:09.840 Going on television to attack Americans because they're not fully on board

00:16:16.000 with sending billions more to a country of 9 million people?

00:16:22.320 And in case you think that's an overstatement,

00:16:25.040 here is the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, commenting on American politics.

00:16:29.540 We talked about the woke right.

00:16:31.640 He said, I call it the woke right.

00:16:33.580 That's a brilliant observation.

00:16:37.540 The woke right.

00:16:38.520 Because these people, you know, they're not any different from the woke left. 0.99

00:16:43.260 I mean, they're insane. 0.99

00:16:44.420 They're the reason. 0.80

00:16:45.880 But they're actually meeting on some of the things.

00:16:48.660 We have to fight back.

00:16:50.220 How do we fight back?

00:16:51.540 Our influences.

00:16:53.180 I think you should also talk to them if you have a chance.

00:16:55.940 To that community.

00:16:57.660 They're very important.

00:16:58.580 And secondly, we're going to have to use the tools of battle.

00:17:03.480 And the most important ones are the social media.

00:17:06.460 And the most important purchase that is going on right now is class.

00:17:11.580 Buy followers.

00:17:14.340 TikTok.

00:17:15.660 TikTok.

00:17:16.020 Number one.

00:17:17.340 Number one.

00:17:18.260 And I hope it goes through because it's, it can be consequential.

00:17:22.260 And the other one, what's the other one that's most important?

00:17:25.500 X.

00:17:26.560 X.

00:17:27.480 X.

00:17:28.280 Very good.

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00:17:32.480 He's not an enemy.

00:17:33.880 He's a friend.

00:17:34.980 We should talk to him.

00:17:35.780 Now, if we can get those two things, we get a lot.

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00:23:10.180 Imagine.

00:23:10.700 This is a foreign leader bragging about how he's censoring Americans.

00:23:15.620 Again, this guy runs a country of 9 million people that's totally dependent on our tax

00:23:20.240 dollars to exist.

00:23:21.940 And here he is on camera and he's a sophisticated guy.

00:23:24.820 Of course, he knows that he's being filmed saying, anyone who opposes me in the United

00:23:30.600 States, who opposes more aid to Israel or opposes getting sucked into war with Iran, which does 0.65

00:23:35.660 not serve American interests, that person is not simply mistaken or wrong.

00:23:39.160 I'm not going to bother to explain why that person is wrong. 0.77

00:23:41.640 That person is a Nazi, part of the woke Reich, a Nazi. 0.84

00:23:46.020 And the only way to fix it is by preventing Americans in the last country on earth with guaranteed 0.99

00:23:54.160 freedom of speech, prevent Americans from hearing the other side.

00:23:58.620 And so we push Congress to force a TikTok sale, which is true, by the way. 0.98

00:24:03.900 And when that happened and various members of Congress like, no, really, it's about China.

00:24:07.480 There were people in line who said, no, I think it's really about Israel.

00:24:11.380 You kind of wish it was about China.

00:24:13.480 Here he is just admitting, no, no, we push the US Congress to censor in the United States

00:24:19.160 to commit censorship in the United States because we think it's bad for us.

00:24:24.720 And we need to talk to Elon.

00:24:26.580 The only reason we have free speech in the United States right now is because of Elon Musk.

00:24:31.840 By the way, a naturalized American, a foreigner who looked at the United States and said, what's

00:24:36.600 great about that country?

00:24:37.540 People can say what they believe because they're not slaves.

00:24:41.340 They're not subjects of the state.

00:24:42.520 They're citizens of a nation that they own.

00:24:44.900 Well, free speech is central to the entire idea of America.

00:24:51.700 In fact, it's really the only thing that sets us apart from any other country on earth.

00:24:56.200 It's not our market economy.

00:24:58.220 It's freedom of speech.

00:24:59.820 And here's this guy, a foreign head of state who, let me restate, is totally dependent on 0.85

00:25:04.720 our tax dollars to exist, is saying Americans don't have that right. 0.83

00:25:10.020 And he's going to do some kind of secret pressure campaign on Elon Musk to censor X because it

00:25:15.960 bothers Israel. 0.96

00:25:17.620 You know, that's the point at which you just say, no, absolutely not.

00:25:21.400 That is not allowed.

00:25:22.460 But since no one has said that, it is continued.

00:25:24.700 And that's why when you go on social media, you see person after person taking that guy's

00:25:31.860 line, that guy's line, repeating foreign government talking points on social media as Americans.

00:25:41.620 Oh, you're you can't say that.

00:25:44.000 It's true.

00:25:45.220 It's 100 percent true.

00:25:46.800 And it's also totally counterproductive, by the way.

00:25:49.720 This is not a sophisticated propaganda campaign.

00:25:54.820 This is a brutal and brutish propaganda campaign where anyone who disagrees with anything is

00:26:01.700 immediately slandered and smeared.

00:26:04.940 Megyn Kelly, who's got to be the single most moderate person on the question of Israel,

00:26:08.880 who said 100 times and means it, by the way, I like Israel.

00:26:12.080 I'm not against Israel.

00:26:14.060 You know, but maybe it's not a great idea to get sucked into one of their wars.

00:26:17.800 We've done that.

00:26:18.280 Let's not do it again.

00:26:19.120 But Nazi immediately called her an anti-Semite and won't stop. 0.85

00:26:24.860 Meanwhile, the actual anti-Semites, and there certainly are some online, never get criticized

00:26:30.340 by Bibi or anyone else in his orbit.

00:26:33.020 That's kind of interesting, isn't it?

00:26:35.020 I wonder why that is.

00:26:36.300 When you have actual anti-Semites, you know, doing videos making fun of Auschwitz, but they

00:26:41.900 get a pass.

00:26:42.720 Hmm.

00:26:43.800 Maybe things are not quite as they seem.

00:26:46.080 But normal people who harbor no hate toward anyone or try not to are immediately slandered

00:26:55.080 in a way that makes it, in some cases, hard for them to have jobs if they deviate even

00:27:00.560 a little bit.

00:27:01.420 So what's the effect of this?

00:27:02.560 Not that it's up to me to tell Israel how to run its propaganda campaigns.

00:27:05.820 But the effect, just noticing, is that it turns allies into enemies.

00:27:11.380 You can agree on 98% of things, but if you think maybe it was a bad idea to bomb Doha, 0.80

00:27:17.800 Qatar, the site of the largest military base in the Middle East, which exists to protect 1.00

00:27:22.900 Israel.

00:27:23.900 If you think it was a bad idea for the Israeli government to bomb Doha, then you're a, what, 0.72

00:27:30.140 a Nazi?

00:27:31.900 Just in point of fact, by the way, Hamas was originally in Qatar because the Israeli government

00:27:38.080 asked them to accept Hamas. 0.69

00:27:40.200 That airbase exists to protect Israel, by the way.

00:27:43.760 That was such a reckless and demented move that Mossad, Mossad, in Israel, opposed it and

00:27:54.100 wouldn't participate in it because they thought it was too reckless.

00:27:58.020 So to say that there is, you know, quite a bit of latitude for debate in Israel is an understatement.

00:28:02.880 Mossad refused to participate in that.

00:28:04.380 But as an American, on social media, if you're like, I think it's a little crazy that our ally

00:28:09.120 is bombing another one of our allies without even telling us, and then lying and pretending

00:28:12.960 that they had permission from the president to do this, which they did not.

00:28:17.140 If you say that, you're a Nazi?

00:28:19.160 You're part of the woke Reich? 0.70

00:28:20.820 This can't continue.

00:28:21.720 It's too crazy.

00:28:22.680 It's counterproductive for them, and it's deeply destructive of our political conversation

00:28:27.480 and of our country itself.

00:28:29.760 Now, the good news is that the humiliation, which has gone, I mean, just to give you one

00:28:34.340 more example of the humiliation, which is almost beyond belief.

00:28:37.060 So Israel's our greatest ally.

00:28:38.740 We should never ask anything of them.

00:28:40.200 Of course, you heard Nikki Haley.

00:28:42.060 You hear all of them say exactly the same thing.

00:28:44.140 Protecting Israel is the most important thing.

00:28:45.540 They're our only real ally.

00:28:47.240 If they're our only real ally, why does Israel have a long history of transferring military

00:28:52.220 technology, including American military technology, to China?

00:28:56.540 To China?

00:28:57.980 Most people have no idea that's true.

00:28:59.000 It is true.

00:29:00.280 Why is China running the port of Haifa, Israel's biggest port?

00:29:04.200 Really, if they're such a close ally?

00:29:06.420 And of course, the answer is because from Israel's perspective, we're not a close ally.

00:29:10.920 We're a country that has been willing to help them.

00:29:14.240 But when you only have 9 million people in a limited defense budget, you know, you take

00:29:19.620 help where you can get it.

00:29:20.700 So the loyalty is not requited.

00:29:23.060 It's one way.

00:29:24.100 And I think the good news is that the government of Israel, in particular, the prime minister,

00:29:31.340 Benjamin Netanyahu, has pushed it too far.

00:29:34.040 And he did that in part by running around, telling people what he thought was true, apparently,

00:29:40.060 I control Donald Trump.

00:29:41.260 I control the United States Congress.

00:29:42.640 I control the United States.

00:29:43.880 He said that to political allies and opponents in his country.

00:29:49.020 He said it to foreign heads of state.

00:29:50.180 State fact, I control these people.

00:29:53.100 Don't you worry.

00:29:54.060 And by the way, if you kick me out of office, the next guy probably won't have the level

00:29:57.040 of control that I have.

00:29:57.920 He's made that case openly, verbally.

00:30:00.520 He said it out loud.

00:30:02.540 And that was too much for our president.

00:30:04.740 And so in one of the great moments, it was just, it was a cool shower on a hot day.

00:30:13.660 President Trump pushed back, not directly, but you can watch this clip and see that he's

00:30:19.660 had enough.

00:30:21.220 Here is President Trump the other day asked about Israel's plans to annex the West Bank.

00:30:26.720 Watch.

00:30:27.600 Did you promise leaders this week that you would not allow Israel to annex the West Bank? 0.73

00:30:31.500 I will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank.

00:30:35.300 No, I will not allow it.

00:30:37.000 It's not going to happen.

00:30:37.980 Did you speak with Netanyahu about this?

00:30:39.600 Yeah, but I'm not going to allow it.

00:30:41.120 Whether I spoke to him or not, I did.

00:30:42.580 But I'm not allowing Israel to annex the West Bank.

00:30:46.280 There's been enough.

00:30:47.340 It's time to stop.

00:30:49.060 It's been enough.

00:30:50.180 I will not allow it.

00:30:51.120 He's not just talking about the West Bank there.

00:30:52.840 Obviously, these are political people.

00:30:55.660 They understand when your poll numbers fall dramatically, particularly among the young men

00:31:00.120 who helped make you president, you have to ask, why is that?

00:31:03.040 And it's about this issue, because it's too humiliating.

00:31:06.680 And people who don't want to see their government bossed around by a tiny foreign power are not 1.00

00:31:11.660 haters.

00:31:12.640 They don't hate any ethnic group.

00:31:16.160 They just don't want to be humiliated.

00:31:18.780 And by the way, why should they be humiliated?

00:31:22.060 That's the core problem right there.

00:31:24.700 That's why Donald Trump has lost support over this Israel question.

00:31:27.600 And he knows that.

00:31:29.080 And he's pushing back.

00:31:30.340 And there's just no question from that clip whatsoever.

00:31:33.360 So the third thing I think that would be very helpful to restore health and balance the

00:31:37.720 relationship between the United States and Israel is restore the concept of citizenship

00:31:42.360 in the United States.

00:31:43.440 If you're an American citizen, it means something.

00:31:45.220 The first thing it means is equality.

00:31:46.780 You are equal to every other citizen.

00:31:48.900 There's no hierarchy of citizenship.

00:31:50.940 All citizens are equal.

00:31:51.900 Each gets one vote.

00:31:52.720 Each gets justice before the law.

00:31:54.940 That's the promise of the United States.

00:31:56.480 And each gets to say exactly what he thinks, period.

00:31:59.980 Restore the value of citizenship.

00:32:03.320 And the very first thing you would do if you cared about that, and you should, because the

00:32:07.240 country can't continue without it, after you expelled everyone who's not a citizen from 0.99

00:32:11.480 the country, which should happen immediately, they should be deported immediately for our own 1.00

00:32:15.180 survival.

00:32:16.260 But after doing that, the first thing you would do is not allow dual citizenship.

00:32:20.960 Why would you allow that?

00:32:21.900 You're a citizen of two countries.

00:32:23.240 Can you really serve two masters simultaneously?

00:32:26.160 By the way, it's not just Israelis who have dual citizenship.

00:32:28.320 They're all, every nationality has dual citizenship in this country.

00:32:31.220 It's not just Israel.

00:32:32.960 And it shouldn't be allowed for a single moment.

00:32:34.980 What is that?

00:32:35.820 Whose side are you on?

00:32:37.300 Don't accuse me of dual loyalty.

00:32:38.620 Well, you're a dual citizen.

00:32:40.140 Whether it's Argentina or Mali or Israel, not allowed. 0.96

00:32:45.060 And moreover, you are not allowed to serve in a foreign military without losing your American

00:32:49.500 citizenship.

00:32:50.000 You're fighting for another country?

00:32:52.480 How can that be allowed?

00:32:53.820 How can you retain your citizenship? 0.91

00:32:55.160 By the way, why aren't you serving in our military?

00:32:57.800 Every country has a different perspective on the world.

00:33:00.700 And that grows from a whole bunch of different things.

00:33:03.660 Their history, their language, their size, their resources.

00:33:06.700 But each country is different.

00:33:07.980 And each country has a different set of priorities.

00:33:09.760 And if you're fighting in a military for a country, you are not serving America's priorities.

00:33:14.440 You're taking up arms on behalf of foreign power.

00:33:16.560 You're done.

00:33:17.760 This would seem to be obvious.

00:33:19.800 Many Americans have fought in Israel, in Gaza.

00:33:22.620 Many Americans have fought in Ukraine, by the way, and a lot of other countries for foreign

00:33:26.440 militaries.

00:33:27.740 Lose your citizenship immediately. 1.00

00:33:29.120 Of course.

00:33:30.240 Obviously.

00:33:31.500 It's amazing that even exists.

00:33:34.220 And AIPAC has to register under FAR, the Foreign Age and Registration Act of the 1930s.

00:33:39.400 Of course, it's a foreign lobby.

00:33:40.660 There are a million of them.

00:33:41.900 But it's only AIPAC that doesn't register.

00:33:45.660 And it's only AIPAC that is somehow above criticism.

00:33:48.200 It's a foreign lobby that is acting on behalf of a foreign government and its interests.

00:33:52.260 Again, it's one of many.

00:33:53.700 But it's the only one that doesn't have to register.

00:33:55.640 And of course, it should register immediately.

00:33:57.320 You should know who is giving money to your politicians.

00:34:02.500 You should know who is influencing them.

00:34:04.440 There should be a record of that, as there is with any other nation, any other lobby of a

00:34:08.220 foreign power.

00:34:09.400 And only AIPAC is exempt.

00:34:11.220 What is the effect of that?

00:34:12.240 It makes everyone paranoid.

00:34:13.860 It doesn't make people like Israel more.

00:34:16.240 When a topic cannot be spoken about, and when anyone who raises it is called a Nazi, the

00:34:21.740 woke Reich, or dismissed as a Holocaust denier, anti-Semite, or whatever, slandered in some

00:34:27.140 way like that, it doesn't make the problem go away.

00:34:30.180 It festers, and people go crazy and get angry and become resentful.

00:34:34.880 End all that.

00:34:35.940 There's no reason to conduct any business like that in secrecy.

00:34:39.560 It doesn't make things better at all.

00:34:41.260 It doesn't make the person doing it stronger.

00:34:42.800 It makes them weaker, actually, in the end.

00:34:45.480 And the last thing that I think we need to do to restore balance between the relationship

00:34:51.900 between the United States and Israel, and to restore some sanity to the public conversation

00:34:58.500 on this topic, is to get our theology right.

00:35:01.740 And this is not a message aimed at Israelis or Jews.

00:35:05.880 This is a message aimed at Christians, who are the largest group of Israel supporters

00:35:09.820 in the United States.

00:35:11.420 And their view of Israel is colored not just by sentimental attachment, which is fine, or

00:35:15.920 trips to Israel, great, no problem, but by a Christian heresy, the oldest of the Christian 1.00

00:35:22.780 heresies, which is that God somehow prefers some people based on their DNA.

00:35:29.020 And, of course, the whole point of Christianity is that that is no longer true, that there 0.99

00:35:33.900 is no chosen people.

00:35:35.280 The chosen people are people who choose Jesus.

00:35:38.060 That is the Christian message right there.

00:35:40.340 It's not an anti-Semitic message, by the way.

00:35:43.140 It's the Christian message.

00:35:44.380 It's the core Christian message.

00:35:46.000 And yet there are many, many self-described representatives of the Christian faith, the world's

00:35:51.600 largest, who are daily sending a different message.

00:35:56.200 And we should be very clear, whatever this is, it's not Christianity, it is heresy. 0.84

00:36:01.160 And among the many examples we could pick, we're going to go, because we couldn't control

00:36:04.740 ourselves, with Lindsey Graham.

00:36:06.300 Watch. 1.00

00:36:07.140 To people in my party, I'm tired of this crap. 1.00

00:36:11.420 Israel is our friend. 0.99

00:36:13.420 They're the most reliable friend we have in the Mideast.

00:36:16.840 They're a democracy, surrounded by people who would cut their throats if they could.

00:36:22.100 This is not a hard choice if you're an American.

00:36:26.480 It's not a hard choice if you're a Christian.

00:36:29.520 A word of warning.

00:36:31.740 If America pulls the plug on Israel, God will pull the plug on us. 1.00

00:36:38.200 God will kill you if you don't support Bibi Netanyahu. 0.99

00:36:42.540 That's what he's saying. 1.00

00:36:43.540 And there are cheers, unfortunately, cheers when he said that God will kill you. 1.00

00:36:47.180 He will pull the plug on you like a quadriplegic in intensive care. 0.99

00:36:51.240 You're going to flatline unless you support the secular, abortion-on-demand government

00:36:56.280 of Israel.

00:36:56.800 That's the Christian perspective, really.

00:36:59.120 That God loves some people more because of their DNA, that is not the Christian message.

00:37:04.120 That's the opposite of the Christian message. 0.57

00:37:06.440 The Christian message is universal.

00:37:08.700 That's the whole point of it.

00:37:11.160 The chosen people in Christianity are those who choose Jesus.

00:37:14.700 The entire New Testament is that story.

00:37:17.020 And anyone who says otherwise has not read it or is lying.

00:37:21.980 God does not prefer you because of your DNA or anyone else because of their DNA, period.

00:37:28.940 So the fact that people can stand up in the United States in 2025 and say something like

00:37:34.240 that, and by the way, not even make the case, just invoke the power of God as a weapon. 0.99

00:37:39.580 He will kill you. 0.99

00:37:40.620 He'll pull the plug on your country unless you go along with this. 1.00

00:37:43.860 We need more war. 0.84

00:37:44.760 Listen to yourself.

00:37:47.060 And it's not just Lindsey Graham.

00:37:49.120 It's the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.

00:37:51.360 It's a lot of people, some of whom are very nice people.

00:37:54.640 People have dinner with them.

00:37:56.140 They seem perfectly normal.

00:37:57.800 But this is a heresy and it's deranged.

00:38:00.740 And you know it's deranged because it is a justification for killing the innocent. 0.67

00:38:04.460 And in Christianity, if there's one thing that's crystal clear, it's that Christians cannot 1.00

00:38:10.020 abide the killing of the innocent.

00:38:12.400 People who have done nothing wrong cannot be killed.

00:38:15.660 That's a sin.

00:38:16.700 You are not allowed to do that, period.

00:38:18.880 And if you find anyone leveraging the message of Jesus to justify the killing of innocents,

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00:42:49.880 So those are the four things I think that we probably should do right away to restore some balance and health,

00:42:55.580 reduce the craziness in the relationship and the conversation about Israel.

00:43:00.160 But now for an update on where exactly things are in a complex and dynamic moment globally with regard to Israel.

00:43:09.320 Our old friend, Mr. Sachs, is here.

00:43:14.140 Oh, Jeff, thank you so much.

00:43:17.180 Thank you, Tucker.

00:43:18.460 Thank you for really what a remarkable statement you just made and how many important things you said.

00:43:24.860 Well, it's just bad and it doesn't need to be bad.

00:43:28.500 And I just I think this is one place where I do agree with the neocons, some of whom are, you know,

00:43:35.160 they are ethno-narcissists, a lot of them.

00:43:36.640 But they're right when they say if the national conversation is all about Jews and people are all met,

00:43:42.240 like that's just not good for anybody.

00:43:43.860 I don't think that's good.

00:43:45.040 We need to de-escalate and pull back.

00:43:46.920 We need to de-racialize this right away, right away. 0.93

00:43:49.960 And make it sane.

00:43:52.540 And otherwise, what's going to happen?

00:43:54.480 Anyway, enough lecture for me.

00:43:56.640 No, no, no.

00:43:57.120 But it's an important point because the whole issue about Israel is not about Jews, by the way.

00:44:03.600 Exactly.

00:44:04.120 The Jews in the United States are completely divided on this issue as are non-Jews. 1.00

00:44:10.520 This is not about Jews.

00:44:11.960 This is about a state and what it's doing right now.

00:44:15.800 It's history and American interest.

00:44:19.100 And I think you said that all extremely clearly.

00:44:23.160 Do you think there's been a lot of talk today about another war with Iran?

00:44:29.900 Do you think that that's coming?

00:44:32.280 I think it's very likely because Netanyahu is absolutely intent.

00:44:40.080 And he has been intent for nearly 30 years.

00:44:44.080 It's nearly 30 years since he first became prime minister in 1996 in dragging the United States into a prolonged war with Iran.

00:44:54.740 And he dragged the United States.

00:44:57.540 And it's a shame that the United States government went along with it.

00:45:02.580 But he dragged the United States into a war with Iran just recently.

00:45:07.980 And it's extremely dangerous.

00:45:09.940 And of course he wants to do it again.

00:45:12.420 It's been part of Netanyahu's policy to pull the United States into repeated wars.

00:45:20.320 This is why this whole relationship is so completely dysfunctional.

00:45:28.280 Netanyahu back in 1996 with American political advisors actually came up with a document called Clean Break.

00:45:40.580 Clean Break is a very strange but very clear statement of what has trapped the United States for nearly 30 years.

00:45:51.760 Clean Break says, well, Israel's never going to compromise with its Palestinian Arab population in its midst and in the Palestinian lands. 0.96

00:46:05.700 It's going to control all of those lands and it's going to control or expel or kill or ethnically cleanse the Palestinian population. 1.00

00:46:17.880 And that's going to create unrest and it's going to create a militant reaction.

00:46:24.560 And then what Clean Break says is, yes, that's going to happen and we will go to war against any other country in the region that supports opposition to greater Israel. 0.67

00:46:41.060 That is, Israel's control over all of Palestine. 0.79

00:46:45.540 And there's just one footnote to that.

00:46:48.920 But when Netanyahu said that we will go to war, what he meant was the United States will go to war for us.

00:46:57.960 So Netanyahu has been the great champion of pushing America into endless wars for the last three decades. 0.88

00:47:09.340 He was the big cheerleader of the Iraq War. 0.78

00:47:13.300 People may remember that or they can refresh their memories, a devastatingly wrong war sold on completely phony pretenses that Netanyahu cheerlead.

00:47:26.420 And one can even go online and find his testimony to Congress in October 2002 about how wonderful this war is going to be

00:47:37.860 and how it's going to lead to a break out of freedom throughout the Middle East.

00:47:43.660 He's full of it and he's been full of it for nearly 30 years.

00:47:49.600 But he has had many wars in sight that he has actually dragged the United States into.

00:47:56.900 The war in Syria, which goes on and started with Obama in 2011, ordering the or assigning the CIA the task to overthrow the Syrian government,

00:48:11.600 was again at Netanyahu's and Israel's behest.

00:48:17.460 Absolutely extraordinary.

00:48:19.700 The ongoing wars in Lebanon, in Syria, in Iraq, the recent so-called 12-day war with Iran, which was a disgrace and a great danger. 0.84

00:48:33.360 Even the wars in East Africa, in Sudan, in Somalia, and in Libya, were pushed by Netanyahu as meeting that we need to overthrow regimes that support opposition to Israel's control over the Palestinians.

00:48:57.640 And in 2011, just to take another case, because Obama did double duty that year, he went to war with Syria in a completely weird way of assigning the CIA the overthrow.

00:49:13.320 But he also launched a war against Libya to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi.

00:49:21.240 This was the Obama-Hilary Clinton teamwork to drag America into more wars.

00:49:28.880 This has its roots in Netanyahu's doctrine, which is we will control all of Palestine.

00:49:38.240 This will lead to unrest.

00:49:40.460 It will lead to militancy.

00:49:42.380 It will lead to suffering of the Palestinian people. 1.00

00:49:45.680 So what?

00:49:46.520 But it will lead to challenges to Israel.

00:49:50.500 And we will confront those by overthrowing the governments that support the militancy against Israel's control over Palestine.

00:50:01.720 And the U.S. has played along until today.

00:50:04.880 And I have to say, even though we saw just that tape of President Trump saying that, no, Israel will not annex the West Bank.

00:50:17.180 First of all, don't hold your breath, because we've not yet seen an American president for 30 years that has resisted Israel. 0.78

00:50:28.300 And I am still fearful that Trump is the same, because frankly, what we have right now, and Netanyahu said so, Israel's involved in seven wars right now.

00:50:45.580 It's disgusting.

00:50:46.980 They're all over the Middle East in war.

00:50:50.240 And so far, the United States has funded, armed, and diplomatically supported all of this.

00:51:19.140 And the United States has absolutely not, and in this government, and it's true of the previous ones as well, not said a word about the state of Palestine, which is absolutely key to peace.

00:51:36.740 There needs to be a state for the Palestinian people, alongside a state for the Israelis.

00:51:44.200 This is international law.

00:51:46.560 It's absolutely obvious to almost every country in the whole world.

00:51:51.120 But the United States listens to Netanyahu.

00:51:54.960 And by United States, I don't mean the people, because just as you said, the American people are against all of this, by the way, by large majorities.

00:52:03.420 This is not being driven by American public opinion.

00:52:07.200 This is our American political class telling Americans what to believe, not what Americans actually believe.

00:52:16.940 Americans want the United States to recognize the state of Palestine.

00:52:21.580 The United States public opposes what Israel's doing by large majorities.

00:52:27.340 This is the political class.

00:52:28.840 But unfortunately, it includes the White House, and it includes the Congress, and it hasn't stopped yet.

00:52:35.980 And the situation in the Middle East is explosive, and Netanyahu is working overtime to pull us into yet another war.

00:52:44.500 Can you ask, you said a moment ago that no American president has ever constrained Israel in a meaningful way.

00:52:52.340 I think George H.W. Bush kind of tried, and there was talk of an assassination attempt against him, and he lost, of course, after one term.

00:53:01.900 But why do you think that is?

00:53:06.260 Why is a country of 9 million people able to dictate terms to a country of 350 million people?

00:53:14.380 Well, first of all, there's no legitimate reason for that.

00:53:18.220 In other words, there's no intrinsic U.S. interest in any way, whether it's military or security or economic, for this to be the case.

00:53:33.480 There's no moral reason for this to be the case.

00:53:37.800 In other words, one could support Israel without supporting Israel's reckless extremism and militarism and all its wars. 0.83

00:53:49.700 And so there's no reason for the United States government to have given a blank check, actually handed our military and our intelligence over to Israel to tell us what to do.

00:54:04.560 There's no legitimate reason for this.

00:54:09.100 The question why this is the case is, of course, I think to all of us, even no matter how much on the inside we are or how many decades we've watched this, a bit of a mystery.

00:54:23.680 Yes.

00:54:24.240 And because I've seen this close up for more than 50 years.

00:54:31.640 And if you ask me, am I really sure why Netanyahu, who is an absolutely disgusting warmonger, who has dragged us into terrible wars, who is committing massive war crimes, why he gets 57 standing ovations in the U.S. Congress.

00:54:55.020 If you ask me in my heart, do I really understand that?

00:54:59.300 Is it the APEC lobby, the Israel lobby?

00:55:03.240 Well, partly.

00:55:06.080 Is it blackmail by Israel?

00:55:11.560 Because there's no doubt a lot of credible claims of Epstein and more about blackmail.

00:55:20.220 Is it that?

00:55:21.600 Is it direct bribes?

00:55:23.720 Is it fear of American politicians?

00:55:26.660 Is it the mainstream media, which, for a lot of reasons, owned by a lot of billionaires that tend to be rather arted Zionists?

00:55:41.320 Is it the larger Christian Zionist vote base, which is also a real thing?

00:55:49.240 To tell you the truth, none of it really adds up in full because this is not in America's interest.

00:56:00.420 It's not in America's interest to be isolated in the world together with a murderous rogue state, which is sad to say what the Israeli government has become. 0.64

00:56:15.480 It is the most lawless state in the most lawless state in the world right now.

00:56:22.360 It's committing massive war crimes. 0.72

00:56:25.440 It is, as Netanyahu said, at war in seven fronts.

00:56:29.620 If you're at war in seven fronts, that's pretty weird.

00:56:33.200 That shows you don't have diplomacy.

00:56:35.740 You have war as a policy.

00:56:37.760 And, of course, Netanyahu does have war as a policy.

00:56:43.100 And, you know, Tucker, I am at the U.N. a lot, so I am in the U.N. Security Council a lot, listening or participating in U.N. sessions.

00:56:57.060 And the U.N., the Israeli politicians come and they yell at the whole rest of the world. 0.99

00:57:06.440 And they yell at them in the most vulgar, stupid, puerile, and absolutely imbalanced and irrational way. 0.99

00:57:22.500 And then the U.S. representative says, yes, yes, we are with Israel. 1.00

00:57:28.200 So if you ask me why this is fundamentally, first, it's disgusting.

00:57:34.880 Second, it is no rational basis.

00:57:37.960 And third, if it is the money, the lobbying, the mass media propaganda, the really strange beliefs of some people, whatever it is, even all of that, for my mind, doesn't add up because a president of the United States should be able to figure this out a little bit better.

00:58:03.100 That this is absolutely not in America's interest and we do not have a military that is to be handed out to another country to do whatever reckless things that country is doing.

00:58:19.380 And right now, Israel is not only doing reckless things, it is committing a genocide.

00:58:26.140 And that is not my opinion, that is the opinion pervasively of both scholars and specialists in this matter and in Israeli human rights organizations, in countless observers inside Israel and observers all over the world.

00:58:50.840 So the U.S. is actually, and I'm sorry to say it, complicit in genocide right now.

00:58:58.800 Of course.

00:58:59.180 A president should be able to figure this out.

00:59:03.020 And they don't.

00:59:04.020 And so when you ask me this question, I can give you a list of answers, but somehow it doesn't add up for me because this is not so hard to figure out that we are on a terribly wrong track.

00:59:18.080 I agree with you completely.

00:59:20.080 I've thought about it a lot and you don't have to hate Israel, which I don't, to ask like why the serial humiliation rituals and no one ever says, you know, Basta, ever.

00:59:33.200 And I do think there's, people perceive a deep threat.

00:59:37.520 Well, I know that that's true.

00:59:38.800 I wonder if the attack on Doha, on Qatar, and in general, the kind of nonstop effort to malign Qatar, Qatar, is the most important player in U.S. politics.

00:59:52.520 It's also deranged.

00:59:53.480 It's all projection.

00:59:54.340 But I wonder if bombing a close U.S. ally, kind of critical U.S. ally in that region, Qatar is a critical U.S. ally, just to be clear.

01:00:03.780 I wonder if that was like too much.

01:00:06.380 I wonder if that was the beginning of the end for Bibi.

01:00:08.620 I have to say there's been a lot that should have been the beginning of the end going back 30 years, going back to the Iraq war and even before that.

01:00:24.620 Starving a population in Gaza, as Israel is doing right now, should have been enough, even without the bombing of Qatar. 0.93

01:00:39.280 But yes, Qatar was an extraordinary event.

01:00:44.320 Israel says we don't have to obey any laws anywhere.

01:00:49.540 We will go anywhere. 0.82

01:00:51.560 We will murder anyone.

01:00:52.620 It's a murder operation, Mossad especially, but also this was the Israeli military in this case.

01:01:03.100 They, and interestingly, what were they trying to do according to them in Qatar?

01:01:10.800 They were trying to murder the negotiators of Hamas who were considering a ceasefire proposal.

01:01:20.900 Now, I find it pretty strange that you murder your counterpart negotiators as they're considering a proposal.

01:01:31.500 But this is actually normal behavior of the Israeli government.

01:01:37.980 They have done this repeatedly now, that they murder precisely those who are negotiating.

01:01:45.840 And the United States has been party to this.

01:01:49.780 That's really awful and dangerous and absurd.

01:01:57.420 What was that war in Iran about?

01:02:00.900 It was a disgrace.

01:02:02.900 But what it was about was Israel trying to stop a negotiated solution to the question of Iran's nuclear program.

01:02:17.440 And people should remember that the U.S. bombing of Iran took place a couple days before what was supposed to be the sixth round of negotiations with Iran that were reportedly progressing productively.

01:02:40.920 There were serious things to be discussed, and Israel typically went in and assassinated as many people as it could that were involved in those negotiations that were in senior reaches of the Iranian government.

01:02:59.380 And then the United States joined in, by the United States, I mean President Trump and the military joined in, in the midst of a negotiating process.

01:03:15.760 Israel murdered the negotiators of Hezbollah.

01:03:20.280 Israel has repeatedly murdered counterparts who would negotiate.

01:03:25.660 Israel's right murdered its own prime minister who was trying to negotiate a peace, Yitzhak Rabin.

01:03:33.040 This is the mode of operation of this extremist Israeli government that our politicians support to the hilt. 0.69

01:03:45.260 And they do it knowing that what Israel is propounding is an absolutely extraordinary and deadly policy. 0.87

01:03:58.960 And just to put it one more time, what Netanyahu and his coalition represent is a claim that is called Greater Israel, or Eretz Yisrael Hashlema, which in Hebrew is the Greater Israel.

01:04:20.580 And the claim is that Israel will control all of the lands that were the British-Palestine.

01:04:31.940 Britain, after World War I, took imperial control over Palestine.

01:04:39.060 As usual, Britain left a disaster.

01:04:42.040 This is Britain's way in the world. 0.92

01:04:43.920 And instead of a Palestinian state for the 8 million Palestinian Arabs and an Israeli state for the 8 million Israeli Jews,

01:04:59.980 what Netanyahu and his coalition want is that Israel controls all of the land,

01:05:07.860 including, therefore, half the population that are Palestinian Arabs.

01:05:13.920 Of course, they want to expel them.

01:05:16.240 They're very clear about that.

01:05:18.000 They want them out.

01:05:19.360 They want an Arab-free land of Israel. 1.00

01:05:24.700 It's unbelievably violent and destructive what they're doing.

01:05:33.920 And this is what we are defending.

01:05:36.880 And so, again, Netanyahu came to the United Nations last week, and he was very clear for any of these defenders of Israel in the United States.

01:05:51.100 Netanyahu said, there will never be a state of Palestine.

01:05:58.420 Now, are we really signing up to that?

01:06:01.880 Because that's signing up to mass war crimes, to genocidal actions, and to perpetual war for the United States.

01:06:13.420 But honestly, until today, President Trump hasn't said anything about that.

01:06:23.800 The whole vast majority of the world says, of course, there needs to be a state of Palestine.

01:06:28.640 Are you kidding?

01:06:29.220 There are 8 million Palestinian Arabs.

01:06:30.980 What else is there going to be?

01:06:32.520 The International Court of Justice says this.

01:06:34.780 The U.N. General Assembly says this.

01:06:36.560 The U.N. Security Council says this, except the United States government, which says, no, we protect Israel in this murderous path that they're on. 0.80

01:06:47.380 It's remarkable.

01:06:48.740 It's nauseating to me and shocking to me that any Christian could support this, especially with the enthusiasm that they do. 0.99

01:06:56.460 And, you know, God is going to have to judge them.

01:06:59.080 But I just think that's—

01:07:01.560 It's a little strange, by the way, even when—

01:07:05.560 Yes, it is a little strange when Senator Cruz, when you asked him about this, he couldn't even quote the Bible right, by the way.

01:07:15.720 Like, you asked him, and he said, well, God says that I will bless those who bless Israel, which is, by the way, not what Genesis says.

01:07:30.860 No.

01:07:31.140 It says, I will bless those who bless Abraham.

01:07:35.460 This is a little bit different.

01:07:37.300 And he couldn't even quote the passage properly.

01:07:42.380 But it was in that name that he said, this is why we have to do it.

01:07:47.360 It's like you just heard, or just—we were just listening to Lindsey Graham.

01:07:52.480 They can't even quote this so-called scripture that's telling them what to do.

01:07:57.600 It's so preposterous.

01:07:59.580 It's sad.

01:08:00.680 Its effect is to really distort American politics.

01:08:04.900 I thought we agreed during the Russia hysteria of the last administration that it was wrong and illegal, actually, for a foreign government to control our politics. 0.82

01:08:16.420 Like, I thought we all agreed on that.

01:08:18.220 I've always felt that way.

01:08:19.660 No matter what the government—Russia was not controlling our politics.

01:08:22.180 That was the lie there.

01:08:23.240 But the truth was that's wrong.

01:08:24.840 And now, it seems like our entire national conversation is about this tiny, totally irrelevant little country with one great city, Jerusalem, but geopolitically irrelevant country.

01:08:36.600 And that's at the behest of a foreign government who's openly saying, you don't agree with us, we're going to censor you.

01:08:45.080 How can that stand?

01:08:46.480 How can a foreign leader call for censorship of American citizens?

01:08:51.280 And then all his little satellite groups, the ADL, AIPAC, all of them, all push that.

01:08:56.200 And then the Congress obeys.

01:08:57.520 Like, that seems to me that's got to be a red line.

01:09:01.320 No?

01:09:01.600 There are so many big lies in all that is said day by day, but the biggest big lie in this regard is, as you noted rightly, to say that those who are against Israel are anti-Semites.

01:09:20.300 Well, exactly.

01:09:21.200 I happen to be Jewish.

01:09:23.800 I'm aghast at what Israel is doing because Israel is a state.

01:09:29.200 It is, first of all, not a religion, and least of all is it a reflection of 2,000 years of Jewish culture, which is not what Israel is about at all. 0.90

01:09:42.420 And to say that it's anti-Semitic to oppose a genocide or to oppose all of these wars that Israel is provoking is obviously a big lie.

01:09:57.100 But that is what is propounded.

01:10:00.920 And it's really, it's strange to hear this, especially because when one understands the history of Israel and the history of Zionism, which is the political philosophy calling for the state of Israel,

01:10:22.240 people should know, it may sound a little strange in our current context, religious Jews were against Zionism at the start.

01:10:34.440 This was not, this wasn't even a Jewish religious movement at all.

01:10:40.320 This was a group of basically secular Jews in Eastern Europe, and the rabbis of the day told them, no, don't do this.

01:10:53.280 This is a bad idea.

01:10:54.760 This is not what Judaism is. 1.00

01:10:57.280 This is just going to create a tremendous amount of trouble.

01:11:02.060 And so this idea that being critical of Israel is somehow being anti-Semitic, which is what is being used as a cudgel against American society right now and against American universities, but pretty much across the board, is not only wrong and absurd, but completely against the true history of these issues.

01:11:29.240 And there's a lot that can be said about it, but one thing that is an illustration of this point.

01:11:38.480 Israel emerged from British imperialism.

01:11:43.860 Actually, the modern Zionism, so-called, which was the idea of creating a Jewish state, was a British Christian idea in the 19th century.

01:11:58.520 It did not start as a Jewish idea.

01:12:00.880 It was a British Christian idea.

01:12:04.060 In a Jewish tradition of 2,000 years, Jews were to live anywhere, and they were to make their faith anywhere at their local synagogue.

01:12:16.540 They didn't have to be anywhere in particular.

01:12:19.380 There was no land idolatry.

01:12:21.300 There was just a set of religious and ethical tenets.

01:12:28.260 That was it.

01:12:29.900 And there was not only no mass call to have a Jewish state, that was viewed as heretical, a term that you used earlier.

01:12:43.180 In one of the guiding texts of religious Judaism, the Talmud, there is a part called the Three Oaths, which rabbis in the early centuries AD wrote and compiled.

01:13:00.900 And this part, Ketubot 111 says, don't return to Israel en masse, don't, because it'll just create trouble.

01:13:14.740 Live peacefully where you are.

01:13:16.940 That's actually a Talmudic injunction that the rabbis followed for a couple thousand years, basically.

01:13:24.060 So this whole idea of the modern state of Israel was actually a Christian idea, specifically a British Christian idea.

01:13:38.480 And it was an Anglican reverend who kind of gave this idea to Theodore Herzl, who was a secular Jew in Vienna in the last years of the 19th century.

01:13:54.460 Well, just without going into all of the detailed history, in 1917, Britain did a typical British imperial thing.

01:14:06.500 During World War I, it promised Palestine repeatedly to different groups.

01:14:13.220 Britain is nothing but deceitful in its imperial methods.

01:14:18.780 So it promised the land of Palestine to the Arabs, first in what are called the McMahon-Sharif letters. 0.78

01:14:27.620 It promised the Middle East to be divided with the French in what's called the Sykes-Picot Treaty.

01:14:36.040 And then in 1917, under lobbying pressure of British and American Zionists, or British Zionists who said, let's bring America into this war, thinking that it would be good, announced in what's called the Balfour Declaration,

01:15:01.780 that there should be a Jewish homeland, that there should be a Jewish homeland in Palestine after World War I.

01:15:07.960 Remember, this was not even British land, this was Ottoman territory, but Britain, being the British Empire, said, we're going to determine the fate of this,

01:15:17.580 and announced in the Balfour Declaration that there should be a Jewish homeland.

01:15:22.380 Now, there was one Jew in the British cabinet in 1917, Edwin Montague.

01:15:33.480 What was that one Jew's reaction to the Balfour Declaration, which was issued by the Foreign Secretary?

01:15:41.680 It was to oppose strongly, strenuously, the Balfour Declaration.

01:15:47.100 What did Montague say in a famous letter?

01:15:49.720 He said, why are you doing this?

01:15:53.040 We don't need a Jewish homeland. 1.00

01:15:56.080 Jews are a religion. 0.98

01:15:57.860 They're not a nation. 0.99

01:15:59.540 They don't need a nation.

01:16:00.960 And if you do this, you make me seem like I'm not British.

01:16:05.520 I am first British.

01:16:07.240 Thank you.

01:16:08.580 I happen to be Jewish, but I'm British.

01:16:10.680 And if you say that now, oh, no, the Jews are in the state of Palestine, that's where their homeland is, you're going to make it seem like I'm less British.

01:16:25.580 And this is how many people have felt over time.

01:16:30.740 And I, as an American, completely, totally resent when Netanyahu says we're the state of the Jewish people.

01:16:42.840 Nonsense. 0.62

01:16:44.160 That's even revolting. 0.72

01:16:46.080 I happen to be Jewish, but Israel is not my state.

01:16:49.260 The United States is my state.

01:16:52.200 And it's revolting to be told otherwise. 0.90

01:16:55.660 Who the heck is he to tell me this? 0.82

01:16:58.860 Who the heck is the Israeli government to declare such a thing? 0.99

01:17:05.020 Complete nonsense. 0.58

01:17:05.980 And so the history of all of this is completely different from what is thought.

01:17:13.140 And the claim that it is anti-Semitic to be against the ghastly things that Israel is doing, stopping food shipments into Gaza to starve people, destroying all of the infrastructure to make Gaza a place of 2 million people, unlivable, murdering more than 60 million people, the significant majority of whom are women and children.

01:17:43.140 And then to be told, no, you can't say you're against that.

01:17:46.660 That's anti-Semitic.

01:17:47.920 This is a preposterous propaganda, not a reality.

01:17:53.340 It has nothing to do with this in reality.

01:17:58.540 And Zionism is not Judaism. 0.73

01:18:00.520 It is a political ideology and the extremist Zionism of Netanyahu and his cronies, Smotrich and Ben-Gavir in particular, who are murderous members of this government. 0.81

01:18:19.740 And this is an extremism that is completely disgusting and has nothing whatsoever to do with Jewish beliefs or Jewish ethics.

01:18:32.200 I think one of the reasons that religious authorities in Europe at the time of the Balfour Declaration, some of them thought this was a bad idea, is because, you know, the point of being in the land of Israel, biblically, was because the temple was in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount, right, where Abraham brought Isaac.

01:18:51.200 And that was the center of the religion until 70 AD when the Romans destroyed the city and the temple.

01:18:57.440 And now, so, and then subsequently, of course, the rise of Islam, Al-Aqsa Mosque, third holiest place in Islam, was built on that site.

01:19:06.460 And the foundation is called the Western Wall, the Wailing Wall, all our politicians go to.

01:19:11.280 The question of rebuilding the temple is almost never discussed publicly in the United States, but there is a huge effort, by the way, bankrolled by a lot of Christians, just to be completely clear, in the state of Texas, for example.

01:19:24.560 There's a whole foundation, a number of foundations designed to abet this.

01:19:28.760 But there is this kind of behind-the-scenes push to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, which would require destroying the third holiest place in Islam, the mosque, the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

01:19:40.140 I've talked to a bunch of people about this who think that it's imminent, that it's not crazy to think that that mosque would be blown up in order to make way for the third temple. 0.99

01:19:51.060 Do you fear that?

01:19:52.520 If that happens, what happens next?

01:19:54.560 Well, the extremism on display in Israel is, as I said, the most lawless in the world today.

01:20:06.020 Israel is the rogue state of the whole world. 0.99

01:20:11.700 Israel flagrantly violates every limit. 0.66

01:20:16.500 Israel goes to war where it wants to. 0.74

01:20:19.940 It murders foreign leaders where and when it wants to. 0.65

01:20:25.620 It acts with complete impunity and disdain.

01:20:29.820 And Netanyahu thinks that he controls, and maybe he does, the U.S. government, so that whatever he does, he thinks he can get away with.

01:20:40.560 So there's no doubt that there is a third temple movement that is part of this coalition.

01:20:50.360 No doubt that there are people in this government who have absolutely no limit, who talk openly about, well, they've already said, to make Gaza completely uninhabitable and unlivable.

01:21:07.540 That is ethnic cleansing or genocide or a combination of the two.

01:21:13.800 Well, such people do not have limits.

01:21:17.760 Would this, would this go well for Israel?

01:21:22.120 No, this would be suicidal.

01:21:25.420 But zealotry can be suicidal.

01:21:28.340 And there's a lot of zealotry.

01:21:30.380 By the way, the word comes from the region.

01:21:33.520 Zealots were suicidal. 1.00

01:21:35.760 And it comes from, unfortunately, even the ancient history of Israel.

01:21:45.600 Many people then and today did not think it was the greatest idea to rebel against the Roman Empire.

01:21:55.060 The Jews ended up destroying themselves. 0.99

01:22:00.740 They champion a mass suicide in a place called Masada.

01:22:10.600 But, you know, to have a belief system where you're championing mass suicide is a little weird.

01:22:17.180 Maybe the behavior wasn't so prudent.

01:22:20.340 Maybe it wasn't so wise to be as completely extremist as you thought.

01:22:27.260 And it's not so wise for Israel to be completely extremist and disdainful of every other place in the world,

01:22:41.160 thinking that the United States has your back, so to speak.

01:22:46.320 When, in fact, as we said, it's a little strange that the U.S. politicians do every order of Israel up until now.

01:22:57.000 But the American people are fed up with this.

01:23:00.640 They're disgusted with this.

01:23:02.620 And eventually, in our political system, that tends to move the politics a bit.

01:23:09.440 When you have 70% of Americans saying, stop, this is hellish.

01:23:15.200 What Israel is doing is completely terrible.

01:23:18.120 That will eventually even enter the consciousness of our political class.

01:23:25.760 And so, if you ask me, are there forces in Israel that could do this?

01:23:33.500 Absolutely.

01:23:34.880 And there are those who would do it tomorrow.

01:23:39.060 This is a coalition government that caused Trump to say that annexation is impossible

01:23:49.860 because they were on the verge of essentially annexing the Palestinian lands of the so-called West Bank,

01:23:58.900 the West Bank of Jordan.

01:24:00.320 completely against international law, completely against U.N. Security Council resolutions,

01:24:06.660 completely against the International Court of Justice,

01:24:09.860 completely against reality because it's millions of people living there

01:24:14.380 that they would have to murder or ethnically cleanse or completely suppress, 0.76

01:24:19.060 which apparently they're ready to do for all of them 0.99

01:24:22.320 because they say these are all hateful people

01:24:24.560 and they don't even count how many people they're killing, in fact.

01:24:31.460 So, yes, of course they're ready to do what you said.

01:24:36.880 One of the costs, apart from the, you know, the cost to the American social fabric,

01:24:42.440 which is profound, the cost to the U.S. Treasury, also profound.

01:24:46.060 It does seem like we're in a moment when the world is completely realigning.

01:24:49.380 I know that you are right in the middle of that and have been your whole life.

01:24:53.620 And so I think you see it a lot more clearly since you're out of the country so often,

01:24:58.620 but the huge population centers and the economic centers of the world,

01:25:03.720 which would be India, China, to some extent Russia, but Indonesia,

01:25:08.680 like huge countries, bigger than the United States, economies growing much faster,

01:25:12.760 they all seem to be kind of aligning against the United States and Israel.

01:25:17.800 Or am I imagining that?

01:25:19.000 Well, let me just say, with regard to this Israeli genocide and extremism,

01:25:27.660 almost the entire world knows what's happening, sees what's happening,

01:25:33.640 and is against what's happening.

01:25:36.480 In this regard, the only significant state that supports Israel is the United States.

01:25:44.140 So it's essentially two against the world.

01:25:47.360 As I said, I go to the U.N. a lot and I watch vote after vote.

01:25:54.940 And there have been several votes in the last couple of years showing that this is the overwhelming view

01:26:04.480 of the world, that Israel needs to end its rogue behavior. 0.93

01:26:12.400 It needs to stop the mass murder.

01:26:15.480 It needs to stop the starvation.

01:26:18.120 It needs to return to its borders, stop the wars all around it, 1.00

01:26:27.140 and enable the state of Palestine to exist and to function.

01:26:33.980 And just to give you a few points on this, in several resolutions calling for a state of Palestine

01:26:43.800 or Palestinian political self-determination, there have typically been, out of the 193 U.N. member states,

01:26:53.040 around 180, saying, of course, Palestine has the right of political self-determination.

01:27:02.280 And there have typically been eight or at most 10 opposed to that.

01:27:08.600 So around 180 against 10.

01:27:12.940 Who are the 10?

01:27:14.600 The 10, of course, are Israel and the United States. 0.73

01:27:18.560 And then Micronesia, Nauru, Vanuatu, Polau, Papua New Guinea.

01:27:34.580 If people want to follow them on a map, these are tiny dots in the Pacific Ocean.

01:27:41.160 These are states where the U.S. simply buys the vote because there are maybe 10,000 people, 12,000 people in Nauru or some count like that.

01:27:53.920 So the U.S. just pays for the vote.

01:27:55.920 Or in the case of Micronesia, they're bound by compact to vote with the United States.

01:28:01.020 And the only countries of any size that have voted any size at all other than these tiny, tiny dots with the U.S. and Israel have been Argentina, Paraguay, and once in a while, a country or two in Europe.

01:28:24.540 That's it.

01:28:25.100 The whole rest of the world is clear about all of this.

01:28:31.640 And when you add up the populations in the countries on these two sides of the vote, and I've done that each time, of course, it's about 95% of the world population saying, get on with it.

01:28:47.760 Two states, a state of Palestine, a state of Israel.

01:28:51.280 Israel needs to stop its mass murder. 0.99

01:28:53.740 It needs to return to the borders of the 4th of June, 1967, according to international law.

01:29:00.780 It needs to stop killing or ethnically cleansing or suppressing the Palestinian population.

01:29:08.120 That's about 95%.

01:29:10.260 And 5% is the U.S. and Israel.

01:29:15.000 The U.S. by itself is 4.1% of the world population.

01:29:19.400 Israel's tiny, like you said.

01:29:21.360 Those islands are tiny.

01:29:22.740 You add in Argentina and Paraguay and a couple of others, and you get maybe to 5% of the world population.

01:29:31.000 We're completely isolated in this.

01:29:34.160 And people should also understand there are so many lies that are told, especially in our own Zionist-dominated mass media that has been recklessly pro-Netanyahu and this extremism for a long time.

01:29:55.940 But one of the repeated lies is, there's no one to talk to, there's no way that there could be a peaceful Palestinian state.

01:30:06.680 There's no way that there's no way that the Arabs could ever be a partner in this. 1.00

01:30:12.940 Completely, ridiculously the opposite.

01:30:16.080 Since 2002, there has been what is called the Arab Peace Initiative, which has said that based on two states, there would be normal relations between the Arab countries and Israel.

01:30:34.200 In other words, normalization and peace based on a state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel.

01:30:43.240 And that has been propounded by Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Arab countries nonstop.

01:30:52.140 It has been supported nonstop by what's called the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which is the 57 Muslim-majority countries of the world.

01:31:05.720 They say, yes, normalization.

01:31:09.160 Two states, Israel stops its rampage. 0.87

01:31:13.440 Israel stops its delusions of greater Israel. 0.93

01:31:18.140 Israel stops its ethnic cleansing and murder of the Palestinian people.

01:31:23.880 Then there can be peace.

01:31:27.180 It's not even hard.

01:31:29.800 This is what the whole world says.

01:31:32.380 Now, the United States has used its muscle, its dollars, its threats, even giving visas.

01:31:42.040 It denied visas to the Palestine authority to come to the United Nations.

01:31:47.280 This is what the United States has used to be part of the debate about this issue.

01:31:53.520 It wouldn't even grant visas because the U.S. has been so in lockstep protecting this extremism up until now that we just are stuck.

01:32:09.080 And everything that's said that this is anti-Semitic, that there's no one to talk to, that there's no possibility of peace, it's all lies.

01:32:18.940 And now about 155 countries formally recognize Palestine, including, despite the ardent U.S. pressure of recent months, Britain and France and Australia and a number of other European countries, just last week said there has to be a state of Palestine.

01:32:44.040 But until this moment, the Trump administration won't say the obvious truth, because to this moment, we're still trapped in this hold of this extraordinary giveaway of American foreign policy and the whole American military and intelligence operations to an extremist rogue government.

01:33:11.040 Netanyahu is despised, I think, by a lot of people in the U.S. government bragging that you control Donald Trump.

01:33:21.640 It's hard to imagine a more self-destructive thing, but he did that a lot, including recently.

01:33:28.280 So I just wonder how long, since he basically serves at the pleasure of the United States, that country couldn't exist without, not for a week without U.S. backing, how long can Bibi keep his job if he's despised by the U.S. government and he's got a fractured, he's got a lot of political problems within Israel and he's despised by the world.

01:33:56.740 Like, how does he keep going?

01:34:01.460 It is absolutely remarkable.

01:34:03.540 I'm sure that he is despised, but he actually, to this day, continues to get his way, including in the last few days.

01:34:14.720 Even when President Trump put forward a plan for Gaza, which was a kind of half a plan, but it had, and it has certain things right, especially stopping the fighting and disarmament of Hamas, completely right. 0.95

01:34:39.300 But it leaves out the most crucial point, which is a state of Palestine, to live their lives.

01:34:50.600 That was, of course, Israel's continued and Netanyahu's continued power. 0.76

01:34:57.100 And what happened was the administration, President Trump, briefed Arab leaders at the end of last week on this plan.

01:35:07.900 They said, well, there are a number of things that are good with this.

01:35:11.960 And then Trump met with Netanyahu and Ron Dermer, who is one of these forces of right-wing extremism in Israel.

01:35:25.980 And he's an American-born advisor to Netanyahu, who was Israel's ambassador to the United States for a long time.

01:35:33.680 He knows how to pull strings of American politicians wherever those strings and however they arise.

01:35:43.200 And they changed the plan as they met and basically rewrote key parts of what Trump had told the Arabs to say, oh, oh, yes, yes, and we should remember that Israel will remain in control over Gaza.

01:36:01.000 They changed what they had actually briefed the leaders and then unilaterally announced something different.

01:36:07.540 And this is just now being disclosed in recent hours.

01:36:12.180 This is so typical.

01:36:14.880 To this day, there has not been an independent U.S. foreign policy.

01:36:21.340 It doesn't exist.

01:36:22.860 And so when you ask how long can Netanyahu last, well, we're still waiting for the U.S. government to declare its independence.

01:36:33.520 But it hasn't done so yet.

01:36:35.680 It hasn't taken the most basic measures to do so.

01:36:39.920 Could it do so?

01:36:41.080 In a blink of an eye.

01:36:44.780 And when President Trump said in the clip that you showed, I won't allow Israel to annex the West Bank, of course he can determine that. 0.95

01:37:00.040 So he's completely right to say that.

01:37:02.600 It's both a completely accurate statement.

01:37:05.740 It is the right thing to say what President Trump said.

01:37:09.340 And it's completely 100% within his power to say it.

01:37:14.740 Because Israel can't take one step without the U.S. backing.

01:37:19.220 But President Trump should say, along with that, that there will be a state of Palestine so there can be peace.

01:37:27.920 And that he hasn't said because of all of the forces of Israeli control over the White House and Congress.

01:37:37.360 He hasn't said what virtually all the rest of the world has said.

01:37:43.040 If he says it, there will be peace.

01:37:45.720 He can make peace.

01:37:47.460 He's right when he says, I won't allow it.

01:37:51.000 It sounds like bombast.

01:37:52.700 How can the United States say it won't allow Israel to do something?

01:37:56.300 Well, the fact is, the United States can say it, because Israel can't take one step without the U.S. protection.

01:38:04.900 And just as a very practical matter, Palestine, which is recognized by more than 150 countries, applied 14 years ago for membership in the United Nations.

01:38:19.660 And in that process, you make an application to the Secretary General of the U.N., then the Secretary General refers it to a membership committee, which is the U.N. Security Council acting as a membership committee based on the recommendation of that membership committee.

01:38:36.800 Then the U.N. Security Council considers this.

01:38:39.700 So 11 years ago, 14 years ago in 2011, Palestine made its application, and the committee of membership said, yes, Palestine has all of the attributes of statehood.

01:38:56.060 It has a permanent population.

01:38:59.000 That's the Palestinian Arabs. 0.99

01:39:00.620 It has boundaries, which are the legal boundaries of the 4th of June, 1967, not the boundaries of Israeli illegal occupation, but the legal boundaries, 4th of June, 1967.

01:39:15.640 And it wants to enter the U.N. as a U.N. charter-abiding country.

01:39:23.440 Those are the criteria.

01:39:24.460 So the membership committee said, yes, of course, Palestine qualifies.

01:39:30.620 At the time, what did the U.S. government do under Obama?

01:39:34.640 Well, Obama was under complete Israel control, like all of American presidents are. 0.76

01:39:43.420 And so he said to the Palestinians, no, no, no, don't push so hard.

01:39:49.920 You'll get it.

01:39:50.600 You'll get it very soon.

01:39:51.940 But right now, just ask to be an observer.

01:39:55.720 You don't have to be a member.

01:39:57.240 So the Palestinians listened to the wonderful president of the United States, and they took observer status.

01:40:06.060 Of course, there was no follow-up.

01:40:08.580 This is the endless charade of Israel and American politics. 0.85

01:40:15.580 Israel dead set against the state of Palestine, the U.S. doing whatever Israel says.

01:40:20.380 And so it didn't come up again until last year, 2024.

01:40:26.760 And then, waiting 13 years and suffering a genocide, thank you, the Palestinians reapplied. 0.99

01:40:35.260 Since they already had the decision of the membership committee, it went straight to the U.N. Security Council.

01:40:42.140 What happened in the U.N. Security Council?

01:40:45.280 This is under Biden.

01:40:46.900 Of course, they vetoed statehood.

01:40:50.140 It was the one veto.

01:40:51.940 So there was a unanimous vote, 12 to nothing against, two abstentions, and the U.S. veto.

01:41:00.200 And then it went to the General Assembly, where I already explained, you had an overwhelming vote of the whole world community for Palestinian statehood.

01:41:08.260 But in the U.N., you need membership, a vote of the U.N. Security Council, where the U.S. has a veto.

01:41:17.400 So just to say, not only can President Trump stop annexation of the West Bank, as he said he intends to do, bravo,

01:41:29.660 he could also make a state of Palestine within about 10 minutes.

01:41:33.440 He would convene the 15 members of the U.N. Security Council and lift the U.S. veto.

01:41:39.340 And there would be a unanimous vote of the U.N. Security Council.

01:41:42.840 And Palestine would enter as the 194th U.N. member state.

01:41:47.380 And on that basis, Israel would have to withdraw because Israel would then be in a fight with the whole world, which it can't be in.

01:41:58.980 And so this is quite straightforward.

01:42:02.300 If we want to make peace, it's absolutely possible.

01:42:05.880 If we want to follow Israel, we are following the path of perpetual war. 1.00

01:42:12.440 Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University, thank you for taking all this time.

01:42:16.760 Well, it's always great to be with you, Tucker.

01:42:18.740 I appreciate it.

01:42:19.880 I do.

01:42:20.840 Thanks a lot.

01:42:21.580 I'll see you soon.

01:42:23.140 Great.

01:42:26.300 We'll be back next Wednesday.

01:42:28.160 Thank you.

01:42:28.980 We'll be back next Wednesday.

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