The Tucker Carlson Show - Steve Baker on the CIA, FBI, Directed Energy Weapons, and the Lies of the J6 Pipe Bomb Case

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00:00:30.000 One of the most frustrating parts of the information overload that we live in now, where things are constantly coming at us through our phones, is that we never get a resolution to some of the biggest stories of our time.

00:00:43.080 Something will just explode.

00:00:44.040 It'll happen.

00:00:44.660 Well, that's amazing.

00:00:45.300 I can't believe that.

00:00:46.780 And you'll have about four hours to think about what happened and its implications.

00:00:50.920 Then you're on to the next thing.

00:00:52.960 That's just the nature of having too much information.

00:00:56.180 Now, whether that's by design, whether we're being overloaded as part of some diabolical

00:01:01.320 plan to keep us distracted, or whether that's a natural byproduct of technology, unrestrained

00:01:06.760 technology, it's not clear and it probably doesn't matter because that's the daily lived

00:01:11.980 experience of most Americans.

00:01:13.580 Something huge will happen, you'll form an impression of it, not clear whether that's

00:01:18.040 a correct impression or not, and then we'll move on.

00:01:21.480 And this is true even of really big events.

00:01:23.500 The biggest mass shooting in American history took place a little less than nine years ago, 2017, in Las Vegas.

00:01:31.020 And some guy apparently opened fire on a concert right below him.

00:01:35.520 You remember this?

00:01:38.800 867 people were injured.

00:01:40.860 60 were killed by gunfire, at least.

00:01:44.940 And there was an FBI investigation, and the authorities stared into the camera.

00:01:49.860 And so we're going to get to the bottom of this. 0.98

00:01:51.340 And the normal parasites showed up. 0.98

00:01:53.500 telling us that, you know, the lesson is we have too many guns in this country. 0.99

00:01:57.320 Guns are the problem.

00:01:58.240 You shouldn't have a gun because a lunatic shot people in Las Vegas or whatever.

00:02:01.580 They took advantage of the tragedy to push their own agendas.

00:02:05.360 And then that's kind of the last we heard of it.

00:02:08.380 Who was this guy?

00:02:09.540 Some guy.

00:02:11.280 Stephen Paddock, some guy.

00:02:12.460 What was his motive?

00:02:13.300 Unclear.

00:02:13.820 Didn't leave a manifesto, so we don't really know.

00:02:16.840 There seems to be some evidence that the official story is false.

00:02:21.240 Nah, it's fine.

00:02:22.120 And then because we were so distracted with all the other things that were taking place

00:02:26.800 at the time, no one ever really followed up in a satisfactory way.

00:02:32.120 And so even now, the largest mass shooting in American history is solved officially.

00:02:37.680 But do we have a satisfactory answer that explains why it happened?

00:02:41.300 No, we don't.

00:02:42.100 We're not even close to that.

00:02:43.040 In fact, the answer that we do have may be completely different from the actual answer

00:02:47.660 we don't know.

00:02:48.600 and no one is actively trying to find out because again, we're on to the next thing

00:02:53.780 and so on and so on and so on with almost every big news story over the past, I don't know, 15

00:02:59.020 years more. And there's kind of no way to change this because there's not enough time in life to

00:03:05.960 go back and reverse engineer what we thought we knew about the most significant moments in

00:03:10.760 American history. But there are a few of them that are worth pressing on, even though years

00:03:14.680 have passed. And one of them, one of the top ones after 9-11, which is the most important story of

00:03:21.060 our lives because it completely changed America, the structure of America. But after that, you'd

00:03:25.720 have to say that January 6th is near the top of the list. Why? Well, a bunch of reasons.

00:03:32.600 Most obviously because January 6th produced the single largest federal criminal investigation

00:03:39.440 in American history. Almost every single FBI field office was involved in tracking down the

00:03:44.840 perpetrators of this insurrection, in which many policemen were murdered, and so on and so forth.

00:03:50.340 Well, almost every one of those details turned out to be a lie. It was not actually an insurrection.

00:03:54.720 No one was armed. No one had a gun. There's no such thing as an unarmed insurrection.

00:04:00.640 Can't insurrect if you're unarmed. And no police officers were murdered that day. In fact,

00:04:07.660 The only person shot to death that day was a protester who was shot to death by a cop, a Capitol policeman called Michael Byrd.

00:04:13.060 Her name was Ashley Babbitt.

00:04:15.020 You're familiar with the rough outline of this.

00:04:18.080 But the one fact that is true is that this did produce the largest FBI investigation in American history, something 5,000 agents were involved.

00:04:30.380 And in the end, they arrested about 1,500 people on federal crimes.

00:04:36.600 And a bunch of those people went to jail. Now, not everybody who is involved that day on camera, provably involved, including people who encouraged others to breach the Capitol, to go inside to break an obvious law by going into a locked federal building.

00:04:55.320 not all of those people wound up being charged or serving jail time. Nick Fuentes, for example,

00:05:01.800 was on camera encouraging people to storm the Capitol. He wasn't punished for that, apparently.

00:05:08.560 Certainly didn't serve any jail time over it. Ray Epps didn't serve any jail time over it. Same

00:05:12.240 thing. What is that? Maybe just a weird anomaly where the feds spent years in the, again, largest

00:05:21.840 domestic criminal investigation in American history,

00:05:25.680 charged 1,500 people with federal crimes,

00:05:27.640 but just missed a couple who were on camera

00:05:29.440 encouraging others to break the law.

00:05:31.600 You know, things happen.

00:05:33.760 Bureaucracies are famously inefficient.

00:05:35.060 Maybe they just kind of forgot those guys.

00:05:36.700 Or maybe something else was going on.

00:05:38.720 We're still arguing about that.

00:05:41.100 But lost in all of this debate,

00:05:43.200 and you'll remember there wasn't much debate

00:05:45.180 about January 6th at first.

00:05:47.260 Everybody was appalled by it.

00:05:48.600 It was an insurrection.

00:05:49.860 Republicans were appalled by it.

00:05:51.840 When Ashley Byrd was killed, there were Republican senators who applauded the shooting of an

00:05:56.920 unarmed woman, an Air Force veteran, by a cop with a record of reckless behavior, Michael Byrd.

00:06:05.620 They were just happy she was dead because she was threatening them somehow. 0.94

00:06:09.700 She was like 5'2", an unarmed woman. 0.89

00:06:13.740 And she was shot to death for no justifiable reason. 1.00

00:06:18.460 But they were happy.

00:06:19.540 Republicans were happy.

00:06:20.480 And why were they happy?

00:06:21.300 Well, because a lot of them are basically authoritarian, of course, but because they felt threatened. 0.86

00:06:26.140 They're such physical cowards that Ashley Babbitt, her presence, threatened them, apparently.

00:06:33.200 So almost nobody really asked these questions at first, and the few who did were strongly discouraged from asking those questions.

00:06:40.880 They were defending violence or vandalism or whatever, insurrection.

00:06:45.620 But over time, it became clear that the purpose of the exercise was to discredit Donald Trump,

00:06:54.400 who had just lost the election.

00:06:56.120 Remember, this all took place in the day the vote was being certified.

00:06:59.080 Accuse him of trying to overturn the results of that election, get him impeached and convicted,

00:07:03.540 and thereby prevent him from ever running for office again.

00:07:05.960 The purpose of the whole exercise, at least the aftermath, the propaganda,

00:07:09.260 the lies that attach to the events subsequently,

00:07:13.420 The purpose of that was to solve the Trump problem once and for all, like he's gone.

00:07:20.240 He will never darken our city with a shadow again.

00:07:23.920 We're not going to have to deal with that.

00:07:25.240 All the uncomfortable questions about our foreign policy or our economic policy, like

00:07:29.300 no more Trump.

00:07:30.680 And both parties could get behind that.

00:07:32.480 In fact, they strongly were both behind that.

00:07:35.120 This is before they subverted Trump and somehow brought him to their side.

00:07:38.880 Who knows how that happened?

00:07:40.100 We've addressed that in other episodes.

00:07:41.160 But the point is, we now know with some clarity and certainty that January 6th was not, in fact, an insurrection against the Congress.

00:07:51.420 It was an insurrection by the Congress, by permanent Washington, against the population.

00:07:57.880 And that's really, really clear.

00:08:00.700 But there was one part of that story that was really never resolved at all, one way or the other.

00:08:06.280 And it was a widely reported facet and then soon forgotten part of the story in which somebody planted pipe bombs like Unabomber type pipe bombs, pipes with explosives outside the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee the morning of 9-11.

00:08:26.080 And this is one of those stories, again, that right away in the first hours after the fake insurrection happened, news outlets told you about it, and then they kind of stopped reporting on it.

00:08:38.740 And then we learned maybe a year later that Kamala Harris was at the DNC when the pipe bomb was found, but somehow she never mentioned it.

00:08:46.000 And you begin to think, it's not clear what happened there, but probably not what they told us.

00:08:53.100 And by the way, why haven't they answered the question who did this?

00:08:55.840 This is Capitol Hill.

00:08:56.880 This is Washington, D.C.

00:08:59.120 This is one of the most surveilled places on planet Earth.

00:09:02.380 There are very few physical spots on Capitol Hill where you're not being monitored by cameras,

00:09:08.200 where there's no CCTV recording your movements.

00:09:12.240 And of course, now with advances in technology, facial recognition, but others, it should

00:09:17.060 be pretty easy to find out who planted bombs on Capitol Hill, especially if you've got

00:09:24.140 the largest domestic law enforcement investigation

00:09:26.840 in American history, trying to find out.

00:09:29.920 But instead, there was basically silence

00:09:31.720 until a guy called Darren Beattie,

00:09:34.520 who ran at the time a website called Revolver News,

00:09:39.080 ran a piece that asked that question,

00:09:41.100 like, wait, why haven't they solved this?

00:09:42.820 And what was that?

00:09:43.940 And how would that be connected

00:09:46.900 to the events of January 6th?

00:09:49.820 That this was, in fact, an insurrection by Trump voters against the system itself, against the United States of America.

00:09:57.040 This is like a modern Fort Sumter preceding a civil war.

00:10:02.980 And that's literally what they told us it was.

00:10:04.760 They tried to overthrow the government.

00:10:05.940 Okay, now, how did that fit in?

00:10:09.000 What did that have to do with it?

00:10:10.320 And the explanation that the Biden administration gave, sort of, to the extent they talked about it, was, well, this was an effort to distract people.

00:10:19.820 law enforcement, from the insurrection that was happening at the Capitol, they would set

00:10:25.000 off these bombs outside the two-party headquarters, law enforcement rushed there, and the insurrectionists

00:10:31.520 would continue to, I don't know what, sit at Nancy Pelosi's desk, wander aimlessly around

00:10:37.280 the Senate, which is what actually happened.

00:10:39.860 It didn't actually do anything, but whatever, except get shot.

00:10:44.200 But that's kind of where they left it.

00:10:46.220 But this piece by Darren Beattie raised the possibility that, of course, and once you thought about this, it's clearly true, of course, federal law enforcement know exactly who planted bombs in front of the party headquarters.

00:11:01.960 what made january 6th different from all other widely publicized crimes in our lifetimes is

00:11:11.520 that it was a crime committed not against private citizens it wasn't like shooting people at a

00:11:15.040 country music concert in las vegas injuring 867 of them i mean that's sad of course but

00:11:20.380 what does that have to do with washington what does it have to do with us what does that have

00:11:24.640 to the people who run the country no those are like whatever country music fans probably voted

00:11:28.560 for Trump. Like, it's sad, sad. Maybe we can use our deaths to advocate for disarming the

00:11:34.260 population. But it's not really a threat to anyone's power. Just the opposite, actually.

00:11:40.800 January 6th was at least construed, and I think a lot of the people who repeated the propaganda

00:11:44.720 convinced themselves that this was an actual threat to bipartisan Washington, not just to

00:11:48.800 Democrats, but to Republicans. Lindsey Graham was every bit as upset as Chuck Schumer because it 0.93

00:11:54.260 was a threat to the symbol of their power, the Congress, which once upon a time was called the

00:11:58.360 People's House and it's called the People's House as a reminder that actually the purpose of all of

00:12:02.040 this is to serve the owners of the country, which is not members of Congress, 535 stewards of the

00:12:07.680 country. It's the people who vote for them, the citizens. They own all of this. So they own by

00:12:12.220 definition the Congress itself, the People's House. That's not the prevailing attitude in

00:12:18.180 Washington, which needless to say is we own all of this and you're here for some purpose,

00:12:24.840 increasingly unclear.

00:12:26.120 Labor has no value

00:12:26.980 thanks to AI.

00:12:27.780 So it's not like you're actually

00:12:28.380 doing anything for us.

00:12:29.660 You're kind of in the way.

00:12:31.740 And the last thing we want

00:12:33.280 is for you to like

00:12:33.800 pipe up and criticize us

00:12:35.500 or get in the way

00:12:36.660 of whatever our plans might be.

00:12:38.740 You're just kind of

00:12:39.860 annoying hecklers,

00:12:42.300 spoiling the play

00:12:43.380 that we're putting on

00:12:44.080 for our own amusement. 1.00

00:12:46.060 And so shut up. 0.99

00:12:48.080 And by the way, 0.99

00:12:48.840 if you refuse to shut up

00:12:49.880 and if you get really mouthy

00:12:51.080 about it and show up

00:12:52.100 with bullhorns at our house, 0.59

00:12:54.360 not yours, not the people's, our house, we're going to put you in prison. And we're going to 0.63

00:12:59.100 deny you bail. And for the overwhelming majority of you who can't afford competent counsel, we're

00:13:03.940 going to give you public defenders who hate you, who ensure that you're going to be stuck in some

00:13:09.640 roach-infested hellhole, for example, D.C. city jail. So that's what happened.

00:13:17.020 But the pipe bomb question hung in the air.

00:13:21.260 How could they not know who did that?

00:13:23.920 They're highly motivated to track down the perpetrators,

00:13:27.180 but somehow not that interested in solving a crime,

00:13:32.040 attempted bombing of the two political headquarters

00:13:36.980 didn't make any sense at all,

00:13:38.680 as Darren Beattie bravely and correctly pointed out several years ago.

00:13:43.860 But still, the Washington Post, the New York Times didn't seem to have a lot of interest

00:13:48.220 in solving this crime or in pushing federal law enforcement to solve the crime.

00:13:51.380 Like, what's the status of this?

00:13:53.600 How many hours of CCTV footage do you have?

00:13:57.740 Have you looked at it?

00:13:59.820 Have you run it against your facial recognition software?

00:14:02.060 Why can't you find the person who did this?

00:14:05.980 You know you can.

00:14:07.160 Why aren't you?

00:14:07.880 and so it really took i don't know four or five years until a reporter called steve baker who at

00:14:16.560 the time worked for the blaze really set about trying to answer this question and as you're

00:14:24.240 about to hear in our interview with steve baker he went to some lengths to solve the riddle and

00:14:31.280 he may or may not have solved it i mean we're not weighing in on that and his conclusions are now

00:14:35.640 the subject of a pretty well-publicized lawsuit.

00:14:39.140 So not only is it not our place to weigh in on it,

00:14:42.540 just want to make it clear we're not weighing in on it.

00:14:46.140 But it certainly is an inspiration to the rest of us

00:14:49.260 that we should probably get to the bottom of this.

00:14:50.640 So Steve Baker spends quite a long time

00:14:53.660 trying to figure this out,

00:14:54.780 and he thinks he figures it out,

00:14:56.620 and he names somebody, wrongly or not.

00:15:00.000 And within literally days,

00:15:02.280 after years of not solving this crime,

00:15:05.640 And federal authorities arrest a guy who they claim did it.

00:15:11.360 And he is, by all descriptions, some apparently autistic guy, black guy.

00:15:18.220 And they spun this whole story and he confessed to the crime and like, we can rest easy now. 0.91

00:15:23.800 He did it because who knows what? 0.96

00:15:25.980 He's transgender or something. 1.00

00:15:27.200 Who knows? 1.00

00:15:27.620 I can't even remember what the excuse was for why this guy did it.

00:15:32.280 And a lot of people who know the guy pretty well are like, yeah, I know he didn't do that.

00:15:35.640 Like, that's absurd.

00:15:38.060 But, you know, we're not going to wait on that because we don't know.

00:15:40.240 What we do know is that after years of apparently not doing anything to solve this crime, which

00:15:45.560 is prima facie, a serious crime, bombing the party headquarters on Capitol Hill, yeah, that's

00:15:49.180 serious.

00:15:51.620 The Department of Justice, like, just solved it in about 10 minutes after Steve Baker

00:15:55.480 throws out another hypothesis as to who did it, a federal employee.

00:16:00.580 That's his theory.

00:16:01.360 so we're not quite sure what to make of this other than a reminder that no u.s citizen has

00:16:11.960 an obligation to take the word of anyone in an official capacity in authority and particularly

00:16:18.480 not in federal law enforcement as gospel just because they say it does not mean it's true

00:16:24.040 obviously just because anybody says anything doesn't mean it's true people lie

00:16:28.540 Not always, hopefully not often, but they do sometimes.

00:16:30.560 We know that.

00:16:31.580 And people in authority have motive to lie,

00:16:33.740 particularly when they're covering up something

00:16:35.440 that they did in the first place.

00:16:37.360 And that may be the macro lesson of this.

00:16:40.840 There has been no effort, really,

00:16:43.720 and no pressure to provoke an effort, really,

00:16:46.520 to find out who is behind these supposed pipe bombings,

00:16:49.780 in part because everyone in Washington

00:16:54.060 is potentially implicated in this.

00:16:56.760 If it turned out that January 6th was not an entirely organic, maybe partly organic, but not an entirely organic event, if it turned out that it was to some extent, maybe not wholly, but in part staged or encouraged by people with a completely different agenda, an agenda that included sabotaging Trump's political career going forward, then the perpetrators wouldn't just be the Democratic Party.

00:17:24.060 they would be the majority of Republican leadership.

00:17:28.280 It would be a bipartisan effort.

00:17:31.100 And that may be the real takeaway here.

00:17:34.300 What we're looking at on January 6th,

00:17:37.120 what we're looking at in the Iran war,

00:17:39.100 what we're looking at in the total mismanagement

00:17:40.920 of the U.S. economy for most of our lives

00:17:43.100 is not a partisan question.

00:17:44.960 It's not like one party took control,

00:17:47.580 got both houses of Congress and the White House,

00:17:49.800 packed the Supreme Court and went crazy.

00:17:52.440 It's that the leaders of both parties, not their voters, but the leaders of both parties in Washington had a very similar vision for what they wanted, how it might benefit them, and they did it.

00:18:02.720 Not in opposition to each other, but in consensus, in agreement with each other.

00:18:10.180 That is the unavoidable conclusion if you look at the past, say, 40 years of American history.

00:18:15.260 Not that the parties are bitterly at odds, but that they are secretly in collusion.

00:18:21.460 How could you reach another conclusion if you look at the outcome?

00:18:24.640 You probably couldn't.

00:18:26.580 But this specific story, while not related to economic reform policy, is a kind of window into the wall of resistance that you bump up against when you start asking questions about, hey, what is going on here?

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00:20:14.140 again. We're not endorsing his claims because, of course, we don't know if they're true.

00:20:18.260 But we wanted to air them when almost nobody else was willing to because we think it's worth

00:20:23.620 letting viewers decide, does that make sense? Can't know if it's true. Can't know really if

00:20:27.960 most things are true. But you can assess the evidence that we can confirm and come to your

00:20:36.880 own conclusions about what it means. And you should because in this case, it matters. With

00:20:44.860 that, here's Steve Baker. Steve Baker, thank you very much for doing this. Thank you. Now we have

00:20:50.920 some distance between right now and January 6th. I think you know as much or more about it than

00:20:57.040 anybody. Can you just describe it in general? What was January 6th in retrospect? I like to

00:21:04.260 couch it in this preface is i saw a lot of people doing bad things that day yes i saw a lot of

00:21:11.720 people doing good things you were there i was there yeah i've been prosecuted for being there

00:21:15.620 yep uh i saw a lot of otherwise good people doing some stupid things that day but that's true on

00:21:21.060 both sides of the police line yep now you were one of the first people to have access to the 0.96

00:21:26.100 treasure trove of that alleged 41 000 hours worth of video i think that was back in gosh that was

00:21:31.420 back in February of 23, something like that, something like that. And, um, in fact, in fact,

00:21:37.300 uh, you had a couple of your producers called me to ask me what they needed to be looking at.

00:21:42.920 And, uh, you took the, um, the Lieutenant Tariq Johnson story, uh, that you did on your second

00:21:48.720 week or second day of that. Uh, that was my suggestion. And the truth of the matter is,

00:21:55.980 is that it was a setup, what happened at the Capitol, it was manipulated, it was engineered,

00:22:06.020 and there is incredible amount of disinformation on both sides of the line. It doesn't matter

00:22:13.640 whether you're on the left, it doesn't matter if you're on the right, whether you're MAGA,

00:22:16.880 whether you're on the sedition hunters side of the ledger, it doesn't matter, tremendous amount

00:22:23.760 of wrong information on both sides.

00:22:25.840 And one of the things that I've endeavored to do,

00:22:28.360 because I've had more access to the video

00:22:30.740 than any other journalist in the world.

00:22:33.620 I've spent more time in there, not only myself,

00:22:36.520 but teams of other journalists working with me

00:22:39.280 that we've gone in there with focused intentions

00:22:42.480 and knowing what we were looking for.

00:22:44.240 And then obviously surprised by many things.

00:22:46.760 For instance, one of the biggest pieces

00:22:50.200 of misinformation on the right

00:22:51.960 is that the doors were thrown open by the Capitol Police

00:22:55.120 and people were waved into the Capitol.

00:22:57.340 That's not true.

00:22:58.900 All seven of the doors that were breached at the Capitol

00:23:01.820 were breached from the inside by the protesters

00:23:05.580 who first went through the broken windows

00:23:08.160 on that Northwest Senate wing door

00:23:10.400 that we've famously seen.

00:23:12.420 Now, after that, in an effort to de-escalate

00:23:15.640 once the building was overrun,

00:23:18.500 Capitol Police did hold doors open for people.

00:23:20.560 And that was one of your first videos was showing the shaman being led to the Senate chamber and a cop opened the door for him.

00:23:30.800 And that was a brilliant reveal.

00:23:32.500 They did do those kinds of things, but not until later, not until after the Capitol was breached.

00:23:38.180 That's one of the mistakes that, again, the right makes.

00:23:41.020 The biggest mistake that the left makes is they are convinced by the narrow presentation of video that they saw.

00:23:48.940 because i'll tell you i mean my critics will tell it from the left will say you can't gaslight me i

00:23:56.980 saw it with my own eyes i was watching it live i know what happened no you don't you saw a very

00:24:02.600 narrow narrowly focused battle scene there were only like between 80 and 100 people who did any

00:24:08.880 violence that day at all out of the hundreds of thousands of people that went to the capital that

00:24:12.800 day. Only 80, Tucker. But if you show the same battle scene from this angle, that angle, this

00:24:20.520 angle, this camera, that camera, and you show it over and over and over and over again relentlessly

00:24:25.620 for five years, then they believe that they know what they've seen. But they don't. Not until you've

00:24:31.020 seen all of the other footage, which we have endeavored to do. I don't think anybody can see

00:24:36.280 40,000 hours worth of video, but we've seen the most important parts of it. And that's why I can

00:24:41.680 honestly sit before anybody again on the right or the left and go, no, that's not correct. And the

00:24:48.100 right has a lot wrong as well. What they do have right is that it was a fedsurrection, but I don't

00:24:56.300 think it was set up by the FBI, I believe. And I've talked about this before, so this isn't a

00:25:02.580 big revelation. I'll give you a couple of those later. But this is and was a setup that was

00:25:11.920 designed and manipulated by elements of the Department of Defense, Capitol Police, and the CIA

00:25:18.600 to take down. It was a furtherance of the CIA and the intelligence community operation to take Trump

00:25:25.320 out from ever being in politics ever again. And so the idea was to provoke something so awful

00:25:33.120 that he would be, well, maybe legally prohibited by conviction on an impeachment trial, but

00:25:40.980 otherwise so stained that he could never run again. That's exactly what the intent and the

00:25:45.080 purpose was. And it was manipulated from the very beginning. I mean, look, you've done stories and

00:25:51.900 All of us want to avoid defamation lawsuits, but I'm kind of past that point now.

00:25:57.160 But, you know, if we started from the very beginning and revisited every aspect of January 6th, this would have to be a, you know, 20-part series today, and we're not going to do that.

00:26:12.660 Well, give us some indication of why you've concluded it was a setup.

00:26:17.860 up. The first thing that happened, and I was there that day, I captured my own video. And

00:26:24.920 as I was driving home on the 7th from DC to Raleigh, North Carolina, where I live,

00:26:32.480 we started hearing about the arrests that were already being made. The dragnet was already

00:26:37.340 thrown the next day. We're hearing about it on the radio, television, on the drive home.

00:26:43.740 So, I didn't go home.

00:26:45.820 I actually called a friend of mine, special operator, United States Army, and said, hey, I need a place to crash for a few days.

00:26:53.820 Because before I get arrested, thinking that for sure, because I went inside the Capitol building, that that would happen.

00:27:01.060 Even though I went in with a camera and in the intent of following the story where the story went as a journalist, not as a rioter.

00:27:06.540 And I never did any rioting or any violence or anything of that type.

00:27:12.040 But because of the types of people that were being arrested, I thought, okay, well, I need to go hide out somewhere.

00:27:18.940 I need to write my story.

00:27:20.660 I need to publish my videos, go through them all.

00:27:24.280 And then when I get my story out, they can come get me.

00:27:28.180 So the first thing I did is I started going through frame by frame, analyzing my own video.

00:27:33.860 And so I'm staying with a tier one special operator.

00:27:38.740 and he's, you know, standing over my shoulder

00:27:41.860 looking at the videos that I have

00:27:44.580 and he's pointing to the screen and going,

00:27:46.340 okay, now watch him.

00:27:47.480 This is his job.

00:27:48.420 Watch, watch what he does here.

00:27:50.040 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:27:53.260 He's got a sandwich in one hand

00:27:54.400 and a cup of coffee in the other hand.

00:27:55.720 And he goes, yeah, watch, watch,

00:27:57.080 watch what happens right here.

00:27:58.900 Watch, he does that.

00:27:59.700 Now he disappears into the crowd.

00:28:01.440 Now watch her. 0.98

00:28:02.340 This is what she does. 0.93

00:28:03.060 Now this is her job.

00:28:05.400 And I'm seeing this through another set of eyes

00:28:09.680 And what are you talking to me?

00:28:10.800 He goes, well, this is what we do overseas. 0.77

00:28:12.820 This is how we incite color revolution overseas. 0.92

00:28:18.100 We're trained to do that. 0.99

00:28:22.240 And so while I'm in my five-day process of going through all of my stuff

00:28:27.580 and writing my first story about January 6th, which was 9,500 words,

00:28:32.700 what I saw that day, what I experienced that day,

00:28:34.860 So, one of these times he's leaning over my shoulder, he says, oh, you know, we were there that day.

00:28:42.400 And again, I'm like, what?

00:28:44.920 He said, yeah, we had boots on the ground that day.

00:28:48.360 Meaning the National Guard waiting down the street?

00:28:49.920 No, meaning special operators from the U.S. Army.

00:28:57.360 In plain clothes?

00:28:58.900 In plain clothes.

00:28:59.540 And so, my second article, which came out about six weeks afterwards, I actually revealed for the first time that elements of our special forces were in the crowd.

00:29:13.760 Now, I didn't portray them as being, you know, there for nefarious reasons or doing anything wrong.

00:29:20.100 In fact, I even said it very well could be that they were there, you know, to take care of business in case things did get out of hand.

00:29:26.520 But they weren't there in their capacity as private citizens and Trump voters.

00:29:29.920 That's correct.

00:29:30.600 Now, there were.

00:29:31.360 There were.

00:29:32.180 We know that for a fact.

00:29:33.540 Of course.

00:29:34.260 There were enlisted people, retired military, law enforcement.

00:29:37.080 Ashley Babbitt was a former Air Force enlisted.

00:29:41.520 There were FBI agents there as private.

00:29:43.880 There were ATF agents there, private capacity.

00:29:47.540 There were Trump supporters from all of the bureaus and agencies and this, that, and the other thing within the federal government that were there in private capacities.

00:29:53.720 And many of them were arrested.

00:29:56.520 and charged. Some of them did time in prison. And so, in this particular situation, though,

00:30:04.200 I learned through my own work and through my access to that community is that we had elements

00:30:11.500 there of a very, very elite nature from our special operators. And I just published that

00:30:21.420 they were there. Now, nobody believed me. Nobody wanted to believe me. I got highly criticized for

00:30:26.100 They've been ordered to be there.

00:30:27.940 Yes.

00:30:29.160 Yes.

00:30:30.340 And then exactly one year later, a writer for Newsweek, a gentleman by the name of William Arkin, on the first anniversary of January 6th, published an article.

00:30:42.820 The headline was, Secret Commandos with Shoot to Kill Orders at January 6th.

00:30:50.200 That's the headline, the Newsweek story.

00:30:52.280 It's still online.

00:30:53.180 You can look it up.

00:30:54.820 It took me over two years before Arkin would even respond to me because I wanted, you know, look, I wanted to maybe pick his brain.

00:31:03.500 He could pick mine.

00:31:04.200 He could share with me what he knew, what I know, and he wouldn't talk to me.

00:31:08.780 When he finally responded, he was very hostile toward me, very antagonistic.

00:31:14.640 He says, I feel like you've been trying to set me up.

00:31:16.640 I'm not trying to set you up.

00:31:17.620 I just, I want a colleague to colleague share what we know about that very thing.

00:31:25.400 And he actually, I have a screenshot from the DM communication with him where he denied that it ever even happened.

00:31:33.060 Yeah, he goes, that was, it never happened.

00:31:36.640 Well, you wrote about it.

00:31:38.240 It's still online.

00:31:39.380 If it never happened, how come it's not been retracted?

00:31:42.180 Yeah, it just never happened.

00:31:45.380 He disavowed his own story. 0.83

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00:33:36.020 Has the Pentagon ever admitted that this took place?

00:33:39.520 No, because the Pentagon won't even admit that this particular unit exists.

00:33:44.280 Now, you've had a member of that unit sitting at your table here recently.

00:33:49.760 They don't exist.

00:33:52.280 That was one of the things that made this very difficult was, first of all, you know, when you write a story, you have to call.

00:33:59.540 And you know how it is.

00:34:00.420 You have to call and get a spokesperson on the record.

00:34:03.120 Yeah.

00:34:03.560 Disavowing or saying something or commenting about whatever, whether it's the FBI, CIA, DOD.

00:34:08.180 Well, when you call the DOD and you ask them about this particular unit out of Fort Belvoir, just outside of D.C., we don't know what you're talking about.

00:34:17.860 There's no such unit.

00:34:19.380 Well, there is such a unit.

00:34:20.960 And the special operators community is well aware of who they are.

00:34:25.600 And they don't have a name.

00:34:26.700 Not a real name.

00:34:27.760 They have a variety of names that they go by.

00:34:30.240 They're typically universally referred to within their community as TFO or Task Force Orange.

00:34:37.440 There's been books written about them.

00:34:40.140 They have variously been called the unit, the activity, and other things throughout the years.

00:34:45.400 But they do exist.

00:34:45.960 What's their job?

00:34:46.860 They operate domestically?

00:34:48.380 They have a couple of jobs.

00:34:50.120 They are, they're not supposed to operate domestically, not at all, as none of the United States, you know, armed forces are except for National Guard.

00:35:00.620 And so, there's the signal intelligence group that's mostly, if I, and they'll, believe me, they'll correct me when I get a little minor details wrong.

00:35:10.100 But the signal intelligence part of them, most of them are out of Fort Meade.

00:35:13.560 And these are the guys, I mean, look, these are the most elite of the elite of the elite.

00:35:17.640 Now, they don't look like Navy SEALs.

00:35:19.940 They don't look like Delta Force guys.

00:35:21.520 They're typically smaller.

00:35:22.480 They use their brains.

00:35:23.720 Their training is much more in the way of surviving through isolation.

00:35:28.260 and they become deep inserts into jurisdictions around the world

00:35:35.740 where we're not supposed to exist.

00:35:37.580 We're not supposed to operate, that sort of thing.

00:35:40.040 And they typically are on the front edge.

00:35:42.440 They leap before Delta Force and SEALs are ever deployed.

00:35:45.740 These guys, the unit, the activity, TFOs have been there already for a long time.

00:35:50.640 And they have to survive that without contact.

00:35:54.480 And all of them are polyglots.

00:35:58.260 One of my closest friends and deepest sources within that community, he speaks eight languages, five of them native, as he says.

00:36:06.860 And they're all highly trained, all have specialization.

00:36:10.460 They're all smart.

00:36:11.420 IQ's off the charts.

00:36:12.620 So, they're not the, you know, the meaty kind of guys.

00:36:15.800 Not doing a thousand push-ups.

00:36:17.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

00:36:17.740 They can't speak eight languages. 1.00

00:36:18.020 It's not them. 1.00

00:36:18.900 Yeah.

00:36:19.060 But they run marathons, and everything about them is, they're trained for endurance and isolation.

00:36:26.940 Hmm.

00:36:27.300 Is their greatest skill.

00:36:28.040 What was their job on January 6th?

00:36:30.020 Don't know.

00:36:32.140 I still haven't found that out.

00:36:34.000 But you found out early that there were current members, on-duty members of the U.S. military in the crowd.

00:36:41.100 Yes.

00:36:41.620 Dressed in civilian clothes.

00:36:43.620 What's the CIA's connection to the events of that day?

00:36:47.300 I believe that, well, look, you go back to the 51 Intel leaders who signed the letter.

00:36:54.700 You didn't tell officers who denied that Hunter Biden's laptop was Hunter Biden's.

00:36:58.760 Et cetera, et cetera.

00:37:00.380 Yes.

00:37:01.220 This is all part of that same operation downstream from Mark Milley.

00:37:07.220 Yep.

00:37:07.820 Trump's, you know, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

00:37:09.840 Yep.

00:37:12.220 The, I believe that certain very high-ranking elements in the Capitol Police were obviously in on this.

00:37:21.400 We know that now from our video.

00:37:22.780 we've discovered this from the video review, Tucker. I don't have to pull this out of my ass. 1.00

00:37:28.540 It's in the videos. And we've released a lot of it and a lot more of it is coming. 0.99

00:37:34.100 But we know that the Capitol Police were ground soldiers that day, not all of them. The frontline

00:37:38.680 officers, they were doing their job. In fact, one of my very first stories, and I got this from my

00:37:46.420 own camera was that the Capitol police were, I called them sacrificial lambs that day or pawns.

00:37:54.560 I use the word pawns, sacrificial pawns. And the reason why I said that is when I was on the

00:38:00.860 front line with my camera and had my camera in these young officers' faces that had just been

00:38:06.340 called to the front line of this battle that was just breaking out on the lower west terrace there

00:38:11.640 the Capitol. They had fear in their eyes and they had no protection. They had no body armor. They

00:38:18.740 had no goggles. They had no face, you know, gas masks. They had no helmets. That's another story

00:38:23.500 right there. Their helmets had been collected two weeks before. They were taken up. They were

00:38:29.060 ordered to turn their helmets in. Yes. That's a whole other story that we've done work on.

00:38:34.240 That's why I said we could do a 20-part series on this. This is so complex. But my thought about

00:38:41.280 these young front-line

00:38:42.840 Capitol Police officers

00:38:43.880 real quick.

00:38:46.180 You can go,

00:38:46.720 you can be a Capitol Police officer

00:38:47.880 for 30 years

00:38:48.660 and I'm not being critical.

00:38:49.700 I know they're accused of being,

00:38:50.820 you know, glorified mall cops,

00:38:53.300 that sort of thing,

00:38:54.260 tour guides.

00:38:55.060 But you can go 30 years

00:38:56.480 at the Capitol Police

00:38:57.840 and basically

00:38:58.540 never do anything other than,

00:39:01.160 yes ma'am, 0.99

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00:39:04.660 Unlike Metropolitan Police Department,

00:39:07.860 who...

00:39:08.220 The city of Washington.

00:39:09.000 Right.

00:39:09.380 T.C. police.

00:39:09.880 That police force knocks heads every day, for sure.

00:39:12.820 They have to deal with most of the riots.

00:39:15.900 And so, I saw these young kids being called to the front line facing actual real violence, because there was real violence that day.

00:39:23.920 And my next thought was, what they're seeing coming at them over my shoulder.

00:39:31.700 and for instance the the uh uh capital police lieutenant tark johnson who you interviewed yes

00:39:41.600 um he called his wife and said tell the kids i love them i'm not coming home today

00:39:47.960 this is a you know we're dying here today and that's what they thought because all of a sudden

00:39:55.880 And there's this handful of just a few dozen people violently attacking the front line of officers.

00:40:02.440 But they see tens of thousands of people over my shoulder coming at them, not knowing what their intentions were.

00:40:11.760 They were scared.

00:40:12.900 They were scared to death.

00:40:13.600 And some of them overreacted.

00:40:15.900 So I have a lot of sympathy for these front line officers because they didn't get briefings that morning.

00:40:23.380 They were undermanned, understaffed.

00:40:25.880 on purpose. January 6th, every four years, is supposed to be an all-boots-on-the-ground day

00:40:32.280 for the Capitol Police. They're supposed to work double shifts, as a matter of fact.

00:40:36.980 That's policy. That's department policy for First Amendment protest days. The Capitol Police

00:40:42.720 themselves had issued and signed off on six permits for protest on the property that day,

00:40:50.260 and they did not inform their officers that they had issued permits that day.

00:40:56.680 Jeez.

00:40:58.160 How many federal agents in plainclothes were in the crowd that day?

00:41:01.940 Do we know?

00:41:02.580 Unknown.

00:41:04.520 You have to separate that.

00:41:07.760 You know, we heard the reports a few months ago about the 247 that Patel,

00:41:11.600 this is one of the actual truths that Kash Patel has told about that day,

00:41:15.880 is that there were 240-something FBI agents that were called in for crowd control.

00:41:22.240 But, Tucker, they didn't arrive until after 4 o'clock.

00:41:24.500 those orders were issued late these were not the undercovers these were not the ones that

00:41:31.380 that's reported were doing nefarious activities these were people with no crowd control training

00:41:36.440 whatsoever the fbi is not trained for that special agent and the fbi is not trained for

00:41:41.240 crowd control yeah they're not bouncers and they showed up with their fbi jackets on their fbi

00:41:45.920 ball caps their vest uh some of them had put on their uh ballistic vests that kind of thing but

00:41:51.420 it all was emblazoned with FBI these were not the playing okay all FBI are playing clothes

00:41:55.940 except for the you know the SWAT teams all of them and so when you say that they were playing

00:42:03.560 clothes that doesn't mean undercover but they showed up with their FBI you know big yellow

00:42:08.080 letters all over their their gear and I was there I videoed them as they arrived but I also videoed

00:42:14.720 SWAT team that was already there early on. It was FBI SWAT team that were trying to save

00:42:23.120 Ashley Babbitt's life down in the lower level of the Capitol. I walked right past her body.

00:42:28.900 You did?

00:42:29.460 Yes. I got her on. I got her. I'm the one that published the video of her being extracted

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00:45:01.340 So we don't know.

00:45:02.780 So the 240 FBI agents number is not relevant to the question of to what extent was this a setup?

00:45:10.360 That 247 are absolutely irrelevant.

00:45:13.400 And that's another thing that the right gets wrong.

00:45:15.920 If I have to characterize the two narratives about January 6th, that's one that they get wrong.

00:45:23.140 But the relevant question is how many people in the crowd pretending to be protesters were actually working for the federal government.

00:45:30.200 Correct.

00:45:30.560 And we don't have that answer.

00:45:31.600 We don't have that number. The FBI could tell us that number. They know that number. First of all, we know that there was 20-something CHSs that they've told us about, confidential human sources, actively working with CIA, I mean, I'm sorry, FBI handlers as they were embedded in the various organizations, whether the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers or Three Percenters or whatever.

00:45:51.800 We know that.

00:45:53.680 I believe there was a much higher number than that that they've not revealed.

00:45:56.860 And then, of course, there were the operatives.

00:45:59.220 The other thing, and I'm not trying to give FBI any grace on this, but the truth of the matter is, is if you've got a crowd size of, my estimate was that the total crowd size was between 400,000, 600,000 people at the Capitol that day. 0.98

00:46:14.480 Damn.

00:46:14.740 The actual Capitol Police officers who testified in the crowd said that as they looked out over the sea of people, it was, and this is a quote from the trials, it was a crowd as large as any inaugural event I have ever attended. 0.99

00:46:31.060 That means it's big, really big.

00:46:33.760 And so, now the press still says that there were only 30,000 people in D.C. that day.

00:46:40.200 They've held to that number.

00:46:43.000 And that's incorrect.

00:46:44.740 And then you've got people that exaggerate and say there were 2 million people, but there weren't.

00:46:48.920 So, you have this situation where in a crowd of that size, anytime, you're going to have elements of all of the federal law enforcement agencies and departments and bureaus are going to be there.

00:47:08.560 They're going to have counter-surveillance teams in the crowd, and we want them there.

00:47:14.480 They're sniffing for bombs.

00:47:16.320 They're looking for ne'er-do-wells.

00:47:19.140 They know the signs. 0.99

00:47:20.340 They're trained for that very thing.

00:47:22.140 And we want them there, just as we want them in Times Square, you know, on New Year's Eve, just as we want them in any large event.

00:47:29.160 Sure, because they're there to protect the public.

00:47:30.760 What you don't want is plainclothes federal agents or confidential human sources stirring up mayhem, provoking violence.

00:47:38.760 Or actual trained provocateurs in the crowd.

00:47:42.860 Were there?

00:47:43.520 Absolutely.

00:47:44.840 Was Ray Epps one of them?

00:47:46.220 I believe he was.

00:47:47.240 I mean, look, the circumstantial evidence is there.

00:47:51.020 I mean, look, you know the story intimately about Ray Epps.

00:47:54.840 Yeah, he kept threatening to sue me, but never did.

00:47:56.780 Yeah, well, he probably doesn't want to go through discovery.

00:47:59.860 I suspect that's true.

00:48:01.880 Absolutely.

00:48:02.500 But, I mean, look, we don't need to relive his case, but the obvious is the obvious.

00:48:07.560 He was number 16 on the FBI's January 6th Most Wanted list,

00:48:11.900 and then suddenly he wasn't and suddenly disappeared and suddenly the new york times

00:48:16.500 comes out alan foyer and does a puff piece article on him and gosh when did that come out

00:48:22.140 summer of 22 and they made him the sympathetic character never forget it yeah it's incredible

00:48:28.160 how does the guy that is the most open most broadcast person calling people to go into the

00:48:34.840 capital how does he become the sympathetic character of the left and never get charged

00:48:39.760 you know eventually eventually right but but with minor charges he never even had to come

00:48:46.580 into dc has never got charged with anything no which is kind of crazy since nick fuentes was

00:48:50.380 calling people to rush the capitol what is that a lot of people there are a lot of there's there's

00:48:55.320 characters that are on video and there's a there's a tremendous amount of video beyond the capitol

00:49:01.300 police cctv which by the way that video has no you know the cctv as you know has no audio

00:49:06.980 But the body cam footage, the news camera footages, the insane amount of iPhone footage that have been collected for discovery in all these trials.

00:49:17.960 So we hear tons and tons of characters that are calling for violence, calling for people to attack law enforcement, to storm the Capitol, this, that, and the other thing.

00:49:27.660 And so many of those have never been arrested.

00:49:30.520 Is that true?

00:49:31.500 Absolutely.

00:49:31.900 Meanwhile, you were.

00:49:33.260 And I was.

00:49:34.320 Correct.

00:49:34.740 And what were you charged with?

00:49:35.880 Well, so when the FBI first interviewed me in October of 21, a month later, the U.S. attorney, the assistant U.S. attorney who had my case, notified my attorney in Raleigh that his client was going to be charged within the week.

00:49:55.700 This was the week before Thanksgiving of 21, and they listed the charges.

00:50:00.240 They were going to charge me with, I kid you not, interstate racketeering.

00:50:05.880 To my knowledge, I was the only one of everybody in the whole January 6th dragnet prosecutions, weaponization of our government against all of us that was going to be charged with racketeering.

00:50:19.300 And basically the case that they were going to make is that because I, as an independent journalist, blogger, had made money from the licensing of my videos, HBO licensed my videos, New York Times licensed my videos for their documentary, others all over the world licensed some of my videos.

00:50:40.540 and you know you don't give her much money for you know there it's like uh the the the standard

00:50:47.940 rate is a thousand dollars per minute well so when they when they use six seconds of your video

00:50:54.480 you're not getting a lot of money no so so uh uh that was the only thing that we could conclude

00:51:02.220 and then so what we did is we did a major press offensive so this was the week before

00:51:08.660 Thanksgiving. On Monday of Thanksgiving week, we sent out about 200 press releases to all manner

00:51:14.180 of media and saying that, you know, a journalist is being prosecuted for his journalism on January

00:51:19.460 6th, being me. And the DOJ backed off. And we didn't hear from them again for 20, even though

00:51:26.280 they said I was going to be arrested Thanksgiving week. We have this in writing, by the way.

00:51:30.700 Still do. They said I was going to be arrested the week of Thanksgiving of 21. We didn't hear

00:51:36.160 from them again until 20 months later when I got a grand jury subpoena. 20 months? 20 months. They

00:51:41.460 went dead silent. Would not even respond to my attorneys. That's so wrong. That is not a free

00:51:48.400 country when they act like that. Left me in the lurch like that for that long. And then it was

00:51:54.080 until after the grand jury subpoena, it was another eight months before they did actually

00:51:59.240 arrest me. Where did they arrest you? I was working for the Blaze at the time and I was in

00:52:04.380 Dallas, where the Blaze headquarters was, it was kind of pre-planned when they told us what the

00:52:08.900 date of my voluntary submission to the FBI, we chose to do that in Dallas so that we could get

00:52:16.420 it all on camera. And I submitted myself to the FBI field office in Dallas, and then they

00:52:22.540 processed me there, handcuffed me. That's where they captured my perp walk on camera. And then

00:52:29.900 they took me down to the federal courthouse in Dallas. You charged with a felony?

00:52:33.300 Nope, I wasn't.

00:52:34.000 I was charged with four misdemeanors.

00:52:35.220 Ultimately, they charged me with the basic four, you know, parading, what I call glorified

00:52:42.500 trespassing.

00:52:43.540 Disorderly conduct?

00:52:44.440 Nope.

00:52:44.700 Well, they do that, but there wasn't any.

00:52:46.640 In fact, that was the other advantage that we had.

00:52:49.100 Even before my arrest, through the blaze, we released all 37 minutes of me in the Capitol

00:52:55.980 behaving like a journalist, stopping, taking notes, camera, this, that.

00:53:01.440 I mean, my entire 37 minutes are on YouTube.

00:53:04.660 You can go watch it right now.

00:53:06.920 And so what happened?

00:53:09.160 Ultimately, I had a trial date set that was exactly one week after the 2024 election.

00:53:17.740 I had.

00:53:18.760 Are you serious?

00:53:20.460 So I have my pretrial hearing was the day after the election.

00:53:26.260 And Judge Christopher Cooper, which, by the way, the same judge who just made them take Trump's name off of the Kennedy Center, same judge, he hated me.

00:53:40.600 He really wanted to put me in jail.

00:53:43.020 For what?

00:53:45.900 My journalism.

00:53:46.880 Walking in a building you own to commit journalism?

00:53:49.340 Wait till you hear what he said in my hearing.

00:53:52.120 so the day after the election he was obviously in a bad mood because trump won and he shot down

00:54:03.540 every one of our motions i mean it would not let allow me to present a selective prosecution

00:54:09.240 defense and that was going to be our primary defense is because we were going to force the

00:54:14.060 government to explain why the other 80 something journalists that came in from the outside into

00:54:19.820 the inside of the Capitol that day and followed the story where the story went, why weren't they

00:54:24.100 prosecuted? All the people that work for the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, et cetera,

00:54:29.760 et cetera. They were not arrested. Correct. Not arrested, not charged with anything. Why were

00:54:33.540 they not? And yet I was. So that was going to be our argument. And the judge totally said,

00:54:39.180 you're not going to do a selective prosecution and you cannot present a First Amendment case

00:54:44.000 in this courtroom. You can't appeal to the constitution of your own country.

00:54:49.300 That's correct. So as soon as we got off of the pretrial hearing, it was a Zoom call. I got on

00:54:55.100 another Zoom call with my attorneys, four of them, and immediately two of my attorneys who are former

00:54:59.880 federal prosecutors themselves said, look, you understand that this trial is going to be nothing

00:55:03.160 but a shaming exercise against you. And I said, yeah, I've been covering the trials. I know

00:55:07.840 exactly what they're going to do. I'm not doing it. Inform the court, inform the DOJ that I'm

00:55:12.320 pleading guilty to all four misdemeanor charges. And what was the penalty? Well, so this was now

00:55:18.260 So my pretrial hearing was the day after the election.

00:55:22.600 My beginning of my court date was supposed to be the very next week,

00:55:26.780 exactly one week after the election.

00:55:29.880 The next day, we got a message from Charlie Kirk

00:55:34.820 because he was on the transition team.

00:55:38.980 And he said directly to me,

00:55:42.500 your pardon is a done deal.

00:55:44.420 Don't worry about it.

00:55:45.140 It's all taken care of.

00:55:48.260 So, I had that knowledge and that information going into my trial date, and I rolled the dice.

00:55:58.720 That's why I pled guilty to all four, rather than going through the humiliation exercise.

00:56:03.840 And so, we were in the hearing, and at the end of that pleading guilty to all four, the judge asked the clerk, when is Mr. Baker's sentencing hearing?

00:56:17.200 And she typed in, she goes, Mr. Baker's sentencing hearing will be March 6th.

00:56:21.460 He goes, okay.

00:56:22.540 He said, Mr. Baker, your sentencing hearing is going to be on March 6th of next year.

00:56:27.520 He said, but since I probably will not see you in March, he knew the pardons were coming as well.

00:56:36.380 All of those judges did.

00:56:38.240 They all knew it, that the pardons were coming.

00:56:40.120 He said, since I won't see you in March, he said, and I quote,

00:56:43.400 I'm going to hazard to deliver to you the remarks that I would normally give at your sentencing hearing.

00:56:51.360 And then he dressed me down for the next seven or eight minutes.

00:56:54.400 I have the transcript for my journal.

00:56:56.640 He never mentioned one thing I was charged with, never mentioned anything that I did or said at the Capitol.

00:57:03.220 The only thing he did was my post-January 6th, or talked about was my post-January 6th journalism, in which I had referred to the weaponization of the Department of Justice and the bias of this court.

00:57:17.440 And he spent seven or eight minutes defending the court against my journalism.

00:57:24.020 Not one word about my charges.

00:57:26.680 This is nuts.

00:57:27.180 Charges.

00:57:27.740 Nuts.

00:57:28.380 I have it all.

00:57:29.520 I have the transcripts.

00:57:31.760 Wow.

00:57:33.220 So you never went to jail?

00:57:34.800 No, I did not get a pardon.

00:57:37.000 I got a case dismissal with prejudice

00:57:39.380 because in the federal system,

00:57:41.680 until you are sentenced,

00:57:45.140 you're not convicted.

00:57:46.540 Right.

00:57:47.320 Because that's when the paperwork

00:57:50.040 basically is filed.

00:57:51.460 And so I was,

00:57:53.260 for me, it's like it never happened.

00:57:55.400 I mean, it did.

00:57:56.420 I went through three years of hell with that.

00:57:58.260 Yeah, and the cost,

00:57:59.440 I can't even imagine.

00:58:02.700 Wow.

00:58:03.220 I don't think that got enough attention at the time.

00:58:07.880 I was one of the high-profile cases.

00:58:10.860 I actually had a bevy of mainstream media journalists from the Washington Post, AP, and WUSA 9 and everything were there in my hearing.

00:58:21.680 They were there.

00:58:22.220 And, in fact, in the press conference afterwards outside the courthouse, I actually looked at the guy from the Washington Post, Spencer Hugh, and I said, you were in there.

00:58:31.400 You heard what the judge said.

00:58:32.400 He criticized me for my journalism, not for what I did on January 6th.

00:58:36.540 What did Spencer Hugh of the Washington Post say?

00:58:38.180 He went, yeah, you're right.

00:58:40.120 And then his article that came out later that day was incredibly fair.

00:58:44.080 Good.

00:58:44.640 Yeah.

00:58:46.560 So it was, I don't know, but it was months, many months after January 6th that I first

00:58:53.680 became aware of the mystery of the two pipe bombs left on Capitol Hill that morning.

00:58:59.020 It was a piece, I think, by Darren Beattie and Revolver.

00:59:05.020 And so that was at least four years ago, and I don't think we're any closer to, or I'm not, any closer to understanding what that was.

00:59:13.100 Can you describe the story, like, what was publicly conveyed about those pipe bombs, and then tell the story about what you think actually happened?

00:59:22.800 Yeah, what the public believes happened was that a nefarious individual planted these devices, these weapons of mass destruction at both the Republican National Committee headquarters and the Democratic National Committee headquarters.

00:59:38.980 and that a lot of people believe that those were to be used in case we couldn't stop the, you know, we, you know, the people who stormed the Capitol that day.

00:59:52.600 The insurrectionists.

00:59:53.280 Right, the insurrectionists, which I was accused of being, couldn't stop the vote that day or the confirmation of the Electoral College vote that they were going to blow the bombs.

01:00:05.580 That was the initial thought, and that was, of course, the way the press breathlessly presented this.

01:00:11.780 That's not at all what happened.

01:00:13.460 Let's just start with the very beginning.

01:00:14.880 So this is, but here's what we know where we read that day or the next day.

01:00:19.260 Two bombs, two explosive devices were found outside in front of the RNC and the DNC on Capitol Hill on January 6th, correct?

01:00:27.520 Correct.

01:00:28.100 Okay.

01:00:29.040 Yes.

01:00:29.680 Now, everything starts breaking down from there.

01:00:33.560 First of all, we now know, in hindsight, from actual FBI agents who were tasked to that investigation, that they were told by leadership that the devices were inert.

01:00:47.500 But individuals that are familiar with bomb making and bomb training from all of the federal agencies have said, looking at the photographs and looking at the FBI's forensic report, which came out a week later, I have, I have the entire report, said that these were typical training devices.

01:01:08.680 Hmm.

01:01:09.300 They were not bombs.

01:01:10.160 They were not bombs.

01:01:11.280 One of the FBI whistleblowers famously said they would have been bombs if they had been bombs.

01:01:17.500 And so, we now know that despite what the FBI continues to say about the devices, being dangerous, having the potential to do great harm and bodily.

01:01:28.520 In fact, they've charged the guy that they've arrested with weapons of mass destruction and terrorism.

01:01:34.040 But, I mean, when it was first reported, it was reported as an act of terrorism.

01:01:40.140 Yes.

01:01:40.880 But you're saying the FBI knew right away?

01:01:43.600 Absolutely.

01:01:44.440 They knew.

01:01:44.840 They were not bombs.

01:01:45.500 Yeah, they knew on the day of.

01:01:47.500 that they were not bombs why would they lie about that um i don't think that the fbi was brought

01:01:55.440 into the lie until the investigation began and then that's when the blob informs the blob

01:02:04.140 that we must protect the blob yes and that's where we are today well that's how things actually work

01:02:11.000 That's how it's exactly how it works.

01:02:12.280 It's not partisan.

01:02:13.300 No.

01:02:13.840 It's not one agency.

01:02:15.260 It's not a rogue agency or a rogue politician.

01:02:19.440 It is the system protecting itself.

01:02:21.660 And by the way, I stole the blob analogy from Mike Benz, who actually did the work for Darren Beattie back on the pipe bomb.

01:02:27.900 Yeah, he did, and I should have said that.

01:02:29.100 I should have said that.

01:02:30.320 And so, that was the first breakdown.

01:02:36.340 The second breakdown is then in the timing.

01:02:38.360 So, the discovery of the devices, the first one was discovered 25 minutes before the bicameral meeting of Congress and the gavel dropped by Vice President Pence at 1 o'clock.

01:02:51.520 So, the first bomb was discovered 25 minutes before that.

01:02:55.060 All right?

01:02:56.560 Then the second device was discovered five minutes after 1 o'clock.

01:03:01.920 Well, Chief of Police, Capitol Police, Steve Sun, who you've interviewed a couple of times, he absolutely says that those were diversionary devices.

01:03:15.120 Those were meant to divert resources from the Capitol, already, as I mentioned earlier, extremely depleted.

01:03:23.520 On January 6th, there were 2,000 uniformed officers with the Capitol Police.

01:03:28.680 less than 250 were on duty that day.

01:03:32.780 Despite the fact there were all these six or something registered protests?

01:03:36.740 Despite the fact that the assistant chief of police, Yogananda Pittman,

01:03:41.520 had signed off on six legally permitted protest events on the Capitol grounds.

01:03:47.360 Yogananda Pittman, who went on to get rewarded by Nancy Pelosi with a job at the

01:03:51.800 Berkeley University of California, Berkeley.

01:03:53.980 Yeah.

01:03:56.080 Tells you so much.

01:03:57.040 Okay, so, but these bombs or these devices were found right around the time of the vote.

01:04:04.500 Correct.

01:04:04.620 And the rest of us thought that it was almost like the anthrax attacks before 9-11.

01:04:09.760 Yeah.

01:04:09.940 Like we knew.

01:04:10.600 Right.

01:04:11.200 Or after 9-11.

01:04:11.920 We knew something terrible was going on, but there were never any details.

01:04:15.080 Yeah.

01:04:15.800 Well, here's another interesting aspect of the timing.

01:04:19.140 So, not only did the gavel drop at 1 o'clock, those six permits all began at 1 o'clock.

01:04:25.760 Now, Trump had messed up the schedule because he arrived at the stage at the ellipse an hour late.

01:04:31.620 So he was supposed to take the stage and begin his speech, his hour-long speech at 11 a.m.

01:04:36.460 He did not take the stage until 1157.

01:04:40.620 All right.

01:04:41.300 Then he went over his time.

01:04:43.940 He did not leave the stage till 116 p.m.

01:04:48.340 By then, the first breaches had already happened.

01:04:51.160 The first battle lines had already been established and the first launching of less than lethals into the crowd were already taking place before the president ever left the stage.

01:04:59.460 All those early people, including Ray Epps, including about 50 former Marines that were on that front line, had already breached the barricades, had already started taunting and attacking police.

01:05:18.760 and um and now you have two calls over the police radio which we have we have in the entire

01:05:31.840 uh all day of the police radio and the calls go out they need reinforcements at the rnc and the

01:05:41.600 dnc because that's within both of those buildings or within the capital police jurisdiction so they

01:05:47.880 had to divert this already depleted force. And that's why we know that they were diversionary

01:05:56.720 devices. And that was the point, was to pull law enforcement away. So, at the same time that

01:06:02.260 Capitol Police are going to the other locations, now you have the arrival of Metropolitan Police

01:06:07.380 are now showing up at the Capitol. They're streaming in. They're coming in to kick butt.

01:06:12.060 The fighting gets worse and worse and worse. And as I said, good people on both sides of the line, 0.97

01:06:17.120 bad people on both sides of the line. And the next thing that we know, and this is what's

01:06:24.600 really important, is in the aftermath of the devices, is what we learned from video. And this

01:06:30.380 is the single most important thing that we learned from video, first of all, is we saw the reaction

01:06:35.360 to the discovery of the device at the DNC. Now, we did not see the reaction because the Capitol

01:06:42.260 police has never showed us or the FBI has never showed us any video in the alleyway behind the

01:06:49.340 RNC. No, the device was actually behind the Capitol Hill Club, you know, Republican hangout

01:06:53.940 kind of next door and attached to the RNC. There's allegedly no camera there, but there is.

01:07:02.860 I'll get to that here in a minute. But at the DNC, we see a, Thomas Massey likes to call him

01:07:11.920 the two counter-surveillance officers that work for the Capitol Police,

01:07:16.400 undercover, plainclothes, counter-surveillance officers,

01:07:19.340 Capitol Police, and they work for the Intel Department of the Capitol Police.

01:07:24.060 One of them Massey calls Man Bun Guy because he's wearing a man bun,

01:07:27.880 and the other one he calls Backpack Guy.

01:07:29.160 Well, Backpack Guy went to the two SUVs that were guarding

01:07:34.520 the parking deck entrance of the DNC.

01:07:38.280 Why were they there?

01:07:38.960 because then Vice President-elect Kamala Harris 0.93

01:07:42.640 was inside the DNC, 1.00

01:07:44.020 not where she was supposed to be, by the way. 0.57

01:07:46.980 She's supposed to be over at the Capitol,

01:07:48.280 which is another very, very strange aspect

01:07:50.680 to this entire story.

01:07:52.180 She's being coronated over at the Capitol

01:07:55.520 and she's a voting senator and she's not there.

01:07:59.840 At one o'clock, she's inside the DNC.

01:08:02.540 so the secret service have swept that building already human assets dogs they've swept that

01:08:13.300 entire side we found on video at 8 30 in the morning 8 9 10 secret service walking right

01:08:21.080 past where the bomb allegedly was found that bomb was in the wide open it could not have not been

01:08:28.820 seen. It could not have not been found by bomb dogs. It could not have not been found by, not to

01:08:34.720 mention the pedestrians that were walking by it all day long. It's wide open. It's right there.

01:08:40.300 It wasn't hidden behind a bush. At 105, backpack guy, counter surveillance officer with the

01:08:48.780 Capitol Police, goes over to the SUVs. He informs the Secret Service agents sitting inside the two

01:08:55.640 SUVs. We just found a bomb, suspicious device. The reaction of the Secret Service

01:09:07.000 agents is the most suspicious thing that made all of our mind, Darren Beattie, Mike Benz,

01:09:15.960 anybody else who's done any work on the pipe bomb knows that when you're informed that there's a

01:09:20.800 bomb sitting 10 feet from you, you don't sit in the SUV and finish your sandwich for two and a half

01:09:26.600 minutes. No. No. And then when they get out, they casually walk around. They don't stop traffic.

01:09:37.600 Now, there's protocol. Okay, these guys are trained. Every one of these agencies, bureaus,

01:09:42.180 are all trained on what to do when suspicious devices are found. They have to set up perimeters,

01:09:48.100 cordon off a certain amount, depending upon the type of device they think it is.

01:09:53.460 Yeah.

01:09:53.680 It could be 700 feet.

01:09:54.760 It could be 2,000 feet.

01:09:56.420 Yeah, it's a bomb.

01:09:57.300 It's a bomb.

01:09:58.240 So within a matter of feet, they don't have any concern for their own safety whatsoever.

01:10:04.780 They're allowing families to continue walking 10 feet past the bomb down the sidewalk.

01:10:10.200 And we know for a fact that they were told it was a bomb.

01:10:13.940 Absolutely.

01:10:15.220 Okay.

01:10:15.600 Well, then that's-

01:10:16.080 I don't believe that they were told that, though.

01:10:17.700 This is what we've been told.

01:10:20.500 I believed, and I've said this from the very beginning, the only thing that explains their reaction, our lack of reaction thereof, was the fact that they were told by the Capitol Police guys, hey, look, we're in the middle of a training exercise.

01:10:37.120 So, we've got these, you know, devices over here.

01:10:40.580 We're going to have to start the dog and pony show here a little bit.

01:10:43.220 The bomb squad's going to come out.

01:10:44.980 We're going to have the robot and all that.

01:10:47.360 Oh, no, no, go ahead and finish your lunch.

01:10:49.840 That's the only thing that explains the reaction.

01:10:51.900 And it's why Kamala Harris, despite being there at the time and talking about January 6th constantly like it was Pearl Harbor plus 9-11, never publicly said a word about the fact she was there.

01:11:03.140 Now, you would think Kamala Harris would be bragging, I survived January 6th.

01:11:07.400 I survived a bombing attempt from the radical right, white-wing supremacists or whatever.

01:11:12.820 Instead, it took a year before Newsweek, not Newsweek, Politico revealed that she was even in the building.

01:11:19.180 Right.

01:11:19.640 That's right.

01:11:20.660 The entire year.

01:11:23.240 So, I think we can say, based on everything that you said pretty confidently, these were not bombs.

01:11:28.880 These were not bombs.

01:11:29.660 Right.

01:11:30.380 How'd they get there?

01:11:32.140 This is where we have a real struggle because we have the videos of this dark figure,

01:11:39.980 This gray, you know, hooded figure walking through that area around the RNC and DNC on the night of the 5th.

01:11:49.800 Both.

01:11:50.300 What's that?

01:11:51.120 Both on both sides.

01:11:52.460 On both sides.

01:11:52.940 RNC and DNC.

01:11:53.420 Same individual.

01:11:55.020 Caught on camera.

01:11:56.020 Multiple cameras.

01:11:57.720 All, you know, caught on ring cams.

01:11:59.740 Caught on the DNC cameras.

01:12:01.300 Caught on capital CCTV cameras.

01:12:04.920 This figure comes out of nowhere at 7.34 p.m.

01:12:09.980 Plants both devices and then disappears through a secret gate, by the way, at 8.18 p.m.

01:12:18.680 Through a secret gate?

01:12:20.320 Mm-hmm.

01:12:20.980 What is that?

01:12:22.080 In the alleyway behind the RNC, and there's residences in that alleyway.

01:12:27.480 Yeah.

01:12:28.680 And businesses.

01:12:29.560 And the actual alley is called Rumsey Court.

01:12:34.540 and at the opposite end of the long alleyway

01:12:39.260 from where the RNC and the Capitol Hill Club are

01:12:41.680 is a Catholic church

01:12:44.200 and there's a garden on the other side of a fence.

01:12:48.960 Well, if you don't know where the gate is

01:12:52.020 because it's a hidden latch

01:12:53.440 and the gate completely and perfectly

01:12:56.900 blends in with the fence.

01:12:58.060 So if you're not a resident,

01:12:59.620 you don't know that that gate exists

01:13:01.340 and there's no path,

01:13:02.580 there's no footprints or whatever.

01:13:04.540 The first time I went through it, there was snow on the ground that I went out and checked it out myself.

01:13:08.140 So, the only reason I found it is because I could see the snow prints where local residents use that as a shortcut.

01:13:15.520 The second time I went out there and videoed, there's no evidence whatsoever.

01:13:19.760 And I had my camera, and you can't see a latch.

01:13:22.760 You can't see a gate of any kind.

01:13:24.400 I happen to know where it was because I'd been through it before.

01:13:26.880 And so this young bomber, which we'll get into, I'm sure, here in a moment, this young black autistic individual who allegedly confessed to the crime told FBI that he mapped out his route for planting the devices by using Google Maps.

01:13:47.500 There's two things that aren't on Google Maps, though.

01:13:50.500 That secret gate, nor are the blind spots in Capitol Police CCTV cameras.

01:14:00.120 Hmm.

01:14:01.640 And the person who left these devices was clearly aware of where the blind spots were.

01:14:07.540 And now we know more by video.

01:14:09.060 Now, the FBI has only ever released about 30 seconds of video of the bomber and put out a $500,000 reward.

01:14:16.880 asking for tips from the public if you recognize the way this person walks or the way you recognize

01:14:21.300 anything about it you know call this 1-800 number and um the interesting thing is is that

01:14:30.880 the fbi themselves told the congressional committee this was louder milk in louder

01:14:35.960 milk and massings report that they had 30 000 video files of the bomber that's their that's

01:14:44.800 their number, not mine, 30,000 video files. They have only released about 30 seconds of video.

01:14:51.800 Because of our access to Capital CCTV, we have about 21 minutes of the Hoodie Bomber walking

01:14:57.380 around. It's never been shown to the public. Where'd you get that? Capital CCTV.

01:15:04.560 How do you get access to Capital CCTV? Well, if you remember, you guys were first granted access

01:15:10.500 by McCarthy. And then they used a small handful of us as guinea pigs to eventually give universal

01:15:18.800 access. So, House investigators have it. House investigators have it. They have the hard drives.

01:15:25.300 Yep. And then they gave us access. Myself, Julie Kelly, John Solomon,

01:15:32.920 Joe Hanneman, who was with Epoch Times at the time, now my partner in this project, and myself.

01:15:45.540 And so with this access that we got, we harvested, literally harvested, this amount of footage of the bomber walking around.

01:15:54.220 And this is where it really comes home to the Capitol Police, is on the evening that the gray hooded figure was planting the devices, this individual only sat down in two places during the stroll, during that 734 to 818 period.

01:16:16.860 The first place that the hooded bomber sat down at was the DNC bench, but did not place the bomb the first time that this individual sat down.

01:16:29.800 Got up left, went around the block, and went to the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and sat down at a bush outside the Congressional Black Caucus.

01:16:41.740 reached into the backpack pulled out a device and slid it under the bush then

01:16:50.020 changed their mind reached grabbed it back and put it back into the pouch or the backpack stood up

01:16:58.680 went down a back alleyway back to the dnc and then planted the bomb at the dnc you can see

01:17:05.600 the hooded figure on camera, reach in, pull the device out of the bag, and then lay it over behind

01:17:12.940 the bench in the mulch there. One problem with that scene right there is the FBI says that

01:17:21.300 Brian Cole Jr., who they arrested for being the bomber, said that that was when he set the timer

01:17:28.200 on, you know, the egg timer, kitchen timer.

01:17:33.800 Except on video, he doesn't set the timer.

01:17:37.200 One hand in, one hand out,

01:17:39.560 never stops to set the timer and sets it down.

01:17:43.480 FBI is clearly wrong.

01:17:44.800 And if the kid really gave that in his confession,

01:17:47.520 he was clearly lying in his confession.

01:17:51.080 Or delusional.

01:17:51.840 Or delusional. 0.99

01:17:52.700 Or the fact that autistic individuals 0.99

01:17:55.880 give the highest percentage of false confessions 0.88

01:17:59.360 to law enforcement of any other demographic.

01:18:04.300 So, he wasn't charged, however,

01:18:09.420 when you first started looking into this story,

01:18:12.040 Brian Colge.

01:18:12.640 No, and this is where the problem comes in.

01:18:15.480 Let me go back to the sitting down at the two locations.

01:18:18.300 So, the next day, on the 6th,

01:18:20.300 the first device is found at the RNC,

01:18:22.700 alerted by a lady by the name of Karlyn Younger.

01:18:24.880 and the first device is found at 25 minutes before one o'clock and then the capital police send out

01:18:31.500 over their radio they deploy their own counter and surveillance teams three of them two men each

01:18:37.960 to go out and look for other devices this one counter surveillance team where man bun guy and

01:18:43.640 backpack guy they we find their car my team my guys on my investigative team find their car

01:18:52.280 We follow their car through the city, and it arrives at the Metro South parking lot right across the street from the RNC.

01:18:59.900 They get out of their car, put their backpacks and their jackets on.

01:19:03.460 They walk, and they beat them.

01:19:05.000 Now, they're deployed to look for devices, right?

01:19:07.240 This is their job.

01:19:08.480 Our job is to look for devices.

01:19:10.880 They spend their entire stroll from Metro South over to not the DNC.

01:19:17.040 They go to Congressional Black Caucus Institute and walk right up to the bush, do this, look under the bush.

01:19:28.180 Two minutes later, they then find the bomb at the DNC.

01:19:33.740 The only two places that the hooded individuals sat down the night before is the only two places they actually looked in their stroll while they were looking for devices.

01:19:44.500 They didn't look under garbage cans, under cars.

01:19:46.940 They didn't look under other bushes.

01:19:48.480 They looked nowhere else.

01:19:50.560 Tucker, this was a Capitol Police operation.

01:19:54.440 Do we know the identities of Man Bun and Backpack?

01:19:56.760 Yes.

01:19:57.600 They have been interviewed by the committee.

01:20:00.200 In fact, Representative Massey actually interviewed Man Bun guy himself.

01:20:05.480 They have been interviewed, 0.97

01:20:06.940 and the congressional investigators say that it's the most pre-planned

01:20:13.340 and rehearsed interview

01:20:15.220 they've ever witnessed

01:20:16.080 in their life.

01:20:17.160 And by the way,

01:20:18.060 they could only get permission

01:20:19.260 to interview them

01:20:20.020 if they were not under oath

01:20:22.520 and they had to be interviewed together,

01:20:24.340 which you never do

01:20:25.200 in an investigation.

01:20:26.540 They were not under oath?

01:20:27.720 Nope.

01:20:27.960 They were not under oath

01:20:28.680 and it was not a transcribed interview.

01:20:29.680 Why would a law enforcement officer

01:20:31.400 refuse to testify under oath?

01:20:34.680 Because this was Capitol Police.

01:20:37.440 Capitol Police is different.

01:20:38.820 Why would House investigators

01:20:40.440 settle for that?

01:20:41.640 How about no?

01:20:42.240 Because Johnson and Jordan restricted the committee from investigating the Capitol Police.

01:20:49.180 Now, why would they do that?

01:20:52.320 The Praetorian Guard?

01:20:54.260 Yeah.

01:20:54.820 So if you're the, just to be clear, I mean, and if you doubt this, you can go back into the clips and look at every sex scandal or DUI scandal on Capitol Hill.

01:21:03.200 It's always the Capitol Police who are involved in it.

01:21:06.480 And tons of people on the Hill have drinking or drug problems.

01:21:09.760 There's a lot of crazy sex-related behavior and other things, and the Capitol Police know all that.

01:21:17.320 Am I being a conspiracy nut here?

01:21:19.780 No, no.

01:21:20.780 As a matter of fact, the first time I ever met Tarek Johnson, it's one of the reasons why I gave your team his story, was he looked at me the very first time I met with him.

01:21:30.740 It was in 22 sometime.

01:21:33.460 And he said, Steve, you have no idea how powerful the Capitol Police are.

01:21:38.200 Yeah, that's true.

01:21:38.820 And I'm thinking Keystone Cops, glorified mall cops, no way.

01:21:44.680 No.

01:21:45.500 Dignitary Protection Detail and the Intel Department are not the Keystone Cops.

01:21:51.740 Yeah.

01:21:52.500 This is the CIA.

01:21:55.760 And as a result of that cooperation with the agency, they know where all the bodies are buried.

01:22:04.560 They know where the skeletons in the closets are.

01:22:06.620 everything that you just talked about a moment ago.

01:22:10.140 This is what they have privileged knowledge to,

01:22:13.440 and this is how they affect legislation on Capitol Hill.

01:22:16.160 This is how they affect who the leadership is going to be.

01:22:18.860 That's how the leadership disappoints us so gravely

01:22:22.260 every time we get our guy in,

01:22:25.980 and he suddenly is no longer our guy.

01:22:29.180 So you think that the Capitol Police

01:22:30.420 are like a vector of control?

01:22:31.980 Absolutely.

01:22:32.720 Yeah, I would not be surprised by that.

01:22:35.060 100%.

01:22:35.520 At all.

01:22:36.620 um at all and of course they're controlled by the speaker of the house yes so it's an inherently

01:22:43.140 political operation so louder milk um congressman louder milk who's chairman of the last two

01:22:52.680 january 6 investigative committees the first one his subcommittee was under house administration

01:22:57.640 the new one is a subcommittee under um judiciary committee chaired by jordan louder milk is the

01:23:04.600 chairman of the subcommittee in order for him to even get this committee. And how do I know this

01:23:11.360 is because he told me himself to my face, the only way he was able to continue his investigation

01:23:17.580 into matters related to January 6th is he had to agree not to investigate the Capitol Police,

01:23:23.740 to which my response was, you can't investigate January 6th without investigating the Capitol

01:23:28.580 Police. Why would you ever allow, I mean, any investigation that begins with parameters like

01:23:33.580 that, it's like Jeffrey Epstein's search warrants. It's like designed to obscure rather than

01:23:38.720 illuminate the truth. Right. Right. They thought, they thought that they would eventually have

01:23:44.920 the ability to circumvent some of that. And they did get the interview with the two counter,

01:23:51.080 so I know their names. I've never released their names publicly, but I, I know who both are.

01:23:55.560 Do you think? Uh, yes. In fact, uh, backpack guy is now the, you're not gonna believe this. He's

01:24:02.020 now the Capitol Police liaison to the FBI.

01:24:05.320 Well, that doesn't surprise me at all.

01:24:07.040 I kid you not.

01:24:07.640 Doesn't surprise me at all.

01:24:08.640 If you look into the work histories

01:24:09.720 of people with big jobs in D.C.,

01:24:11.660 it's very, very common

01:24:14.140 to come across something like that.

01:24:16.140 I mean, he'll probably be

01:24:17.160 the director of the FBI someday.

01:24:18.800 Right.

01:24:20.060 So there's two things that we know.

01:24:21.740 We know that the bomber

01:24:23.040 had intimate knowledge

01:24:24.300 that only Capitol Police could know.

01:24:27.380 The hidden gate,

01:24:28.320 under several reasons why the knowledge

01:24:33.620 of where the blind spots were in the cameras

01:24:35.740 is very important to this story.

01:24:37.740 Not the least of which is that the bomber

01:24:39.420 only carried one bomb at a time

01:24:41.260 and reloaded the backpack in a blind spot

01:24:44.400 over at Folger Park,

01:24:46.620 knowing that there was no,

01:24:47.560 and that's where the bomber either parked their car

01:24:51.500 or their accomplice was waiting for them there.

01:24:53.880 who would have access to the blind spots only some only the capitol police right only we know

01:25:02.380 that there was when the bomber entered the mate there's a famous there's a famous video of the

01:25:08.920 bomber apparently waving at a cop car and right in front of the uh capitol hill club as as a as a

01:25:16.120 um uh marked capitol police car comes by the the bomber apparently waves at the car

01:25:22.460 Then walks around the corner, two Capitol Police cars pull up with their headlights on and create a blind—they blitz out the cameras that are faced down the street.

01:25:36.300 It completely obscures, and it was at that moment that the bomber ducked down into Ramsey Court was when the two cars blinded those cameras.

01:25:47.300 So, who was that person?

01:25:52.460 we want to go there yeah i mean you're being sued for saying this so i just

01:25:59.760 want to be completely clear i have no clue i'm not endorsing your position at all you're being

01:26:04.460 sued by one of the you know one of the worst lawyer in my opinion the worst lawyer i've ever

01:26:11.300 dealt with in my life so which i hope we can get into um so you know i i have no idea if what

01:26:18.600 you're saying is true i'm not imputing the character of anybody i i'm sure there's another

01:26:23.000 side to it but i'm interested in the story and this will presumably come out in trial if your

01:26:27.380 case goes to trial so um well just tell us about your reporting like how did you go about figuring

01:26:33.360 out who this person was exactly look in in our reporting about january 6 i've not just obsessed

01:26:39.240 for five and a half years over the pipe bomb right i've been on the pipe bomb and then been

01:26:43.060 off the pipe bomb and it is in some ways the most interesting story because like the u.s government

01:26:47.180 tells us there was a simultaneous bombing of the two-party headquarters, and it was like super

01:26:52.180 dangerous, and it was an act of terror, and then they never mention it again or release any relevant

01:26:56.660 information. So, I mean, for four years, I've been wondering, and that's why we're having this

01:27:00.700 conversation. So, I'm just interested, how did you go about trying to ascertain the identity of this

01:27:04.100 person? So, this is what was happening at the time, is that going back to the initial part of

01:27:09.620 our conversation where I learned that there were elements of our Department of Defense, Department

01:27:13.320 to war now, in the crowd. Not knowing what their reasons for being in the crowd were, I have no

01:27:18.220 idea. But I was very curious why in a very small area of the Capitol on the west side, three people

01:27:25.320 died of heart attacks. So you had two gentlemen early on, one before the first Les Lethal was

01:27:31.980 ever fired, one that a lot of people have claimed were murdered by Capitol Police and was hit. They

01:27:37.300 say he was hit by Les Lethal. No, he wasn't. We've seen the video from every angle. He was never

01:27:41.180 struck by a less than lethal device or launcher and then the third one was roseanne boylan right

01:27:48.120 near the uh the tunnel three people dying of heart attacks within 50 yards of each other at any event

01:27:55.460 ever in the history of the world has never happened so i'm very curious about this

01:28:00.980 i know that that particular element or unit of our armed forces has a weapon it's called an

01:28:11.660 agitation weapon it is a directed energy weapon backpack size we just learned a lot about that

01:28:17.500 from the invasion down in venezuela the discombobulator that the president called it

01:28:23.980 the discombobulator weapon so i started investigating the source the use who in our

01:28:31.700 government has the agitation weapon and what its uses were i learned that one of its uses was

01:28:38.280 it can make people go nuts in a crowd in a color level revolution couldn't go nuts in what way

01:28:46.680 A three-star general, retired from SOCOM, that I interviewed.

01:28:55.180 Special Operations Command.

01:28:56.580 Correct.

01:28:57.480 Told me, yes, that weapon exists. 1.00

01:29:03.520 And I quote, with it, we can stop your heart, we can make you shit your pants. 0.99

01:29:11.120 But I wouldn't need that weapon to start January 6th. 0.99

01:29:14.280 I would just need four or five of my best men.

01:29:16.680 That's the exact quote.

01:29:21.160 I interviewed members of that unit about the weapon.

01:29:26.820 I have interviewed former Secretary of the Army about the weapon.

01:29:31.740 All have verified its existence and its quote-unquote prolific use within our special operators community.

01:29:41.760 And I started looking for backpacks in the crowd.

01:29:47.640 I know what the shape is.

01:29:48.840 I know what the design is.

01:29:49.900 I've interviewed two people that have participated in the design of that weapon.

01:29:54.680 One of them is a doctor.

01:29:56.240 The other one is a special operator who essentially assisted DARPA in the design of how to make it field worthy out in the field.

01:30:09.660 And so I started looking for it in the crowd, me and my team.

01:30:14.420 We're looking at backpacks everywhere.

01:30:16.160 Well, one of the most interesting backpacks that day was worn by a small handful of Capitol Police officers that were up on the upper terrace that early, early, early on, before the crowd had gotten violent, started launching less lethals into the crowd.

01:30:34.040 And they were wearing, so they've got their black uniforms on, but they've got military colored backpacks on.

01:30:42.120 So we start zooming in on them and the cameras, and we got totally distracted about looking for a directed energy weapon because what we found was is that this team of less lethal officers were illegally firing into the crowd.

01:30:59.640 They were firing their weapons against policy, against the law, against their own training.

01:31:05.480 In fact, some of them were training officers in the use of less lethal, and they were using them in what's called a criminally negligent manner.

01:31:13.660 Shooting people in the head, in the crowd, in the face.

01:31:17.160 They were shooting their own officers in the back of their helmets on the front line.

01:31:21.620 You could see the pepper pellets go explode off the back of their helmets.

01:31:25.700 so we decided to do a story on the use of less lethal got distracted from the directed energy

01:31:33.520 weapon story and because we now we found all this fresh video you know and so we needed to identify

01:31:39.760 these officers so we're going down the line we identify one two three four and then there was

01:31:44.640 one officer we couldn't identify to be honest with you we didn't know if it was a male or a female

01:31:48.920 but this officer was firing the pepper ball gun that was hitting people in the head

01:31:54.160 it's a point blank range by the way very close on these were not misfires and

01:32:03.200 i have a sword one of my earliest sources at the capitol police on january 6 investigation

01:32:08.420 was a cdu officer civil disturbance unit of the capitol police and the less lethal team is part

01:32:15.780 of cdu so i called my source and i then sent him a photograph still shot of this officer

01:32:24.060 And he immediately went, oh, yeah, that's Shawnee Kirkhoff.

01:32:27.560 I said, well, who's Shawnee Kirkhoff?

01:32:29.160 He said, oh, she's a great cop.

01:32:31.360 He said she was always a good hang. 0.91

01:32:36.580 She was fun to be around.

01:32:39.220 She was a good friend, but it was kind of weird.

01:32:41.240 He said when she left, she left the Capitol Police about six months after January 6th.

01:32:46.860 And when she left, she wiped her social media out.

01:32:49.740 She changed her phone numbers and her email, and we all lost contact with her.

01:32:53.520 We were friends.

01:32:54.520 We lost contact with her.

01:32:55.980 And he said, we heard that she might have went to one of the three-letter agencies or he said maybe it was defense intelligence or something.

01:33:02.360 But anyway, that's what we heard.

01:33:04.360 And I went, oh, okay.

01:33:06.180 So now I have a name, right?

01:33:08.120 And so I start looking for this name.

01:33:10.060 Well, turns out Ms. Kirkhoff was the first person to ever testify in the very first January 6th trial, the trial of Guy Reffitt in the summer of 22.

01:33:20.200 She's the first person to testify in the very first trial.

01:33:22.720 And she testifies as a less lethal officer who fired at this individual that was on trial at that time.

01:33:31.180 And this is what she said, and this is what happened in the transcripts.

01:33:33.720 The first thing before she faced direct examination from the government is the judge went to a sidebar and told both of the attorneys, said, now you know that there's some underseal aspects about this first witness.

01:33:53.500 Yes, Your Honor.

01:33:53.980 Yes, Your Honor.

01:33:54.640 Be careful when you're questioning.

01:33:57.660 I thought, okay, I thought that was interesting.

01:33:59.860 And so then direct examination starts and the prosecution asks her her name, spell your name, go through the whole process that they typically do.

01:34:06.740 And one of his first questions was, of course, you know, where are you employed now?

01:34:10.480 And she said, I still work for the government.

01:34:12.180 He goes, oh, you're no longer with Capitol Police.

01:34:13.580 She said, no, I left Capitol Police about six months after January 6th.

01:34:17.620 He said, did you leave under good circumstances?

01:34:19.600 Oh, yes, very good circumstances.

01:34:21.380 In fact, I had already applied for my current position in the government before January 6th.

01:34:29.180 Okay. That's interesting. Then it's time for cross-examination. The judge hits the button

01:34:36.020 again, calls another sidebar, and he says to the defense attorney, don't you go waving

01:34:42.800 Ms. Kirkoff's 302s around this courtroom. That's the FBI investigation forms. That's

01:34:49.820 what FBI 302 is. And now I'm like, my radar is pinging off the charts. So I have to know

01:34:57.660 who this person is. So, I have sources at ODNI, and that's how this whole element of the story

01:35:07.460 comes into it, is that I took the information that I had, and I received assistance from ODNI

01:35:13.840 that helped me identify her as a current CIA employee. What does she do at CIA?

01:35:19.940 What I was told by ODNI is that she was on the equivalent of a dignitary protection type detail where she could possibly be accompanying Director Ratcliffe and other dignitaries around, armed.

01:35:39.980 She protects John Ratcliffe, the director of the CIA?

01:35:43.820 I'm just telling you that her jobs description, as it was relayed to me by ODNI, was that she was on that detail.

01:35:51.940 And she could be one of the people that protect Ratcliffe.

01:35:55.520 That's crazy.

01:35:57.020 That's what I learned.

01:35:58.460 John Ratcliffe being the former congressman and current CIA director.

01:36:02.320 Correct.

01:36:03.020 All right.

01:36:04.660 So, now we're full into this.

01:36:06.880 And I'm doing everything I can.

01:36:08.020 Now we find videos of her college career as a world-class, you know, all-American athlete, soccer player.

01:36:18.440 And I learned that she had a career-ending injury.

01:36:22.300 Well, not career.

01:36:22.940 It was her college career-ending injury in her fourth year, fourth season.

01:36:27.140 She broke her tibia in half on her right leg in a game.

01:36:33.480 And then we found videos after recovery and therapy.

01:36:37.400 She played a year of minor league ball for Columbus Eagles, and I see her walking across the field, and she's dragging her right leg in a manner that would be typical for somebody with that exact injury, with what they call a circumduction move, where the dragging the right foot in front of the left foot.

01:37:07.400 And I've seen more of the pipe bopper video than anybody. And I've seen it over and over and over and over again. I've watched my 20 minutes of video. I've spent dozens and dozens of hours watching it. And I went, you've got to be kidding me.

01:37:28.200 And so then I took.

01:37:30.420 So you hadn't had that in mind. You hadn't thought.

01:37:32.500 No, I was investigating the illegal, improper use of less lethal weapons used against the January 6th crowd.

01:37:43.080 And you find out that one of the people you believe was using these weapons illegally winds up at CIA, to which she had applied before January 6th.

01:37:52.480 Correct.

01:37:52.640 But now she's at CIA in some protective role, potentially protecting the director of central intelligence, John Ratcliffe.

01:38:00.180 Potentially.

01:38:00.620 i mean i you know it's hard even know to know what to say about all of of those connections um

01:38:08.480 and then as you're watching video of this person you say to yourself oh my gosh i recognize that

01:38:16.200 gate that distinctive gate produced by an injury yeah so more complicated than that no that's i'm

01:38:22.480 glad i asked you the question i have no i have no malice against shani kirkhoff as i said before

01:38:26.380 I think that she believed she was involved in a training exercise.

01:38:30.540 Right.

01:38:31.820 And it sounds like, I mean, it sounds like you didn't go into this imagining you would conclude that.

01:38:40.220 No.

01:38:40.700 And then what we did because of this evidence, we started looking at her as a Capitol Police officer.

01:38:46.560 And we found two and a half hours-ish of video of Ms. Kirkoff as a Capitol police officer from the Capitol CCTV video archives from January 5th and January 6th.

01:39:00.320 We have her running all over the Capitol in both days, the 5th and the 6th, as a police officer.

01:39:05.500 So we have tons of video of her, and she has that gate.

01:39:11.000 So, is there any way to, I mean, you know, there's all kinds of biometric software.

01:39:17.040 Is there a way to, you know, bring science to bear on this question?

01:39:20.880 Well, that's what we did.

01:39:22.420 So, I took it to a source of mine within the intelligence community who I've not named and will not name ever.

01:39:30.800 um this source can come forward if they desire to at any point in this uh defamation trial if

01:39:40.880 they choose to come forward but i will not out them and this in this source uh is a let's just

01:39:50.140 say 30 year career in the community an expert in gate recognition and also an engineer in

01:40:00.780 And this person ran the gate recognition for me, came back to me with a 94% hit. So I turned over as much video of the hooded January 5th pipe bomber and Ms. Kirkoff's footage, both as a soccer player and as a Capitol Police officer.

01:40:24.140 The software came back with a 94% hit, but the expert analysis, human analysis, was 98% match.

01:40:35.500 So when I'm asked, how sure am I that she's the bomber, I'm 94 to 98%.

01:40:41.540 So, pardon my ignorance, is gate recognition software commonly used by Intel or law enforcement agencies?

01:40:49.720 As a matter of fact, the FBI used gate recognition technology to disclude a January 6th pipe bomber.

01:40:58.520 They had, as one of their persons of interest, a gym owner over in Virginia across the river who had, believe it or not, an odd gate.

01:41:09.600 but more importantly had a receipt for having purchased the identical type of rare Nike

01:41:16.900 collectible shoe that the bomber was wearing that night. Nike Air Max Speed Turf 2018 edition

01:41:23.400 is what the bomber was wearing in a very specific color scheme, gray, gold, and black.

01:41:29.600 And he had a receipt for having purchased this. So they ran gate recognition on him

01:41:36.460 and eliminated him as a suspect.

01:41:39.280 They ran gait recognition on the Guthrie case just recently.

01:41:43.020 You know, Savannah Guthrie's mother.

01:41:44.240 They used gait recognition on that suspect.

01:41:47.960 Gait recognition in courts have been used for hundreds of years.

01:41:51.980 Hundreds of years.

01:41:53.400 I mean, you can, it's, in many cases,

01:41:56.300 it's more accurate than a facial recognition or a fingerprint

01:41:59.140 because you can get it from a distance.

01:42:01.460 And that's what's so valuable about gait recognition.

01:42:05.380 So, are you the, I mean, the FBI was doing or claiming to do an investigation into these pipe bombings for a long time.

01:42:13.060 Right.

01:42:13.980 Did they ever talk to her?

01:42:15.800 Was she ever, did she ever come up as a suspect in this?

01:42:19.000 So, when I discovered all of this, I took this information to my sources at ODNI and all hell broke loose.

01:42:27.640 So, following the law, following procedure, Tulsi had a special group called the DIG, the Director's Initiative Group, which was shut down and dissolved because of this story.

01:42:40.460 Yep.

01:42:41.060 By CIA.

01:42:42.080 By CIA, of course.

01:42:44.040 The people that worked in the dig that assisted in this story and looked at the evidence were demanded by CIA to come in to Langley for four-hour sit-down interviews and polygraphs.

01:42:57.360 And they told them, you know, bite me.

01:43:00.180 It's like you forget that Odie and I, we oversee you.

01:43:02.900 It's not the other way around.

01:43:03.800 and they didn't go.

01:43:05.360 Now, the point of Dick,

01:43:05.900 one of the things

01:43:06.660 that Dick was doing

01:43:07.140 is looking into

01:43:08.220 mysteries

01:43:09.940 in which the,

01:43:12.680 you know,

01:43:12.860 federal government

01:43:13.360 had the documents,

01:43:14.880 necessary documents

01:43:15.660 to show what actually happened

01:43:17.180 in a bunch of different

01:43:18.800 stories, right?

01:43:20.700 Yeah, I, you know,

01:43:21.600 I had taken,

01:43:23.020 because I believed

01:43:23.760 it was a possible

01:43:24.700 public corruption issue,

01:43:27.320 nobody in the intelligence

01:43:28.360 community trusts the FBI

01:43:29.520 and I'm sorry,

01:43:30.760 I'm sorry to all the...

01:43:32.380 That is,

01:43:32.780 I can verify that.

01:43:33.600 trump supporters out there but they don't trust cash patel's at all fbi any more than they trusted

01:43:40.100 and in fact people in the government will always tell you that the fbi kind of gets a past cia

01:43:45.460 gets a lot of attention for being evil and killing people and all this stuff but like

01:43:48.900 in real life you're afraid of the fbi yeah because they're the ones that can harm you domestically 0.78

01:43:54.120 that's right yeah people are afraid of the fbi that's absolutely true right so uh that's why

01:44:00.080 I took it to Odie and I.

01:44:01.640 FBI would have been the natural people to go to with this,

01:44:04.860 but I've been through this.

01:44:05.660 I've taken a public corruption issue.

01:44:07.060 Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

01:44:08.700 Correct.

01:44:09.300 Right, right.

01:44:09.840 So that'd be Tulsi Gabbard until recently.

01:44:12.020 And I took it directly to the DIG,

01:44:14.380 the Director's Initiative Group within the FBI.

01:44:17.680 And I took this name of this person.

01:44:21.080 Actually, they are, as I said,

01:44:24.260 they were the ones that discovered

01:44:25.400 what her job was at CIA.

01:44:27.680 And then they drafted a memo.

01:44:29.340 Now, this was just a draft memo. It had never been complete. Still had the yellow, you know, markings on the memo. Had not been approved for distribution, but the deputy director of ODNI, I call it a leak. It's not. It's, you know, it was a pass along to the deputy director, Ellis, of CIA before the draft memo was complete.

01:44:55.660 This was done before our story about Ms. Kirkoff was published on November 8th of last year.

01:45:03.260 So this draft memo was being circulated.

01:45:05.400 It was given from the deputy director, Tulsi's deputy director, to deputy director of CIA, who gave it to FBI, who gave it to the White House, and leaked it to the press.

01:45:18.660 The White House had it the day before our story came out.

01:45:22.480 two days before our story came out miss kirkhoff's partner gets a call from the fbi and said oh we're

01:45:30.040 going to raid your house tomorrow morning now they got a 12-hour advance notice that their house was

01:45:34.000 going to be raided that's not standard operating procedure by the way so on the morning friday

01:45:42.420 morning november 7th fbi shows up and they're there all day now i have no idea that the fbi

01:45:48.760 I was raiding Ms. Kirkoff's house, but what I learned was from one of my Capitol Police sources,

01:45:53.820 it was about one or two o'clock in the afternoon, hey, your girl, her house is being raided right

01:45:59.240 now. And so, we sent our, I was still with a blaze at the time, and so our acting editor-in-chief

01:46:07.360 at the time, Chris Bedford, lived in Alexandria where Kirkoff lives. And so, on his way home,

01:46:15.200 he drove past the house and sure enough they're all out there got uniformed and plain clothes

01:46:20.600 individuals local cops fbi are all milling around that house this is the day before our story came

01:46:28.040 out that night miss kirkhoff at 8 p.m by a very high-ranking fbi um individual who i still don't

01:46:37.020 know who it is but our attorneys know who it is through discovery that i've not seen yet um

01:46:41.760 told her that we need you to come in for a polygraph and that and what they told her was that

01:46:49.800 look it's gonna you're gonna spend more time in the drive downtown you know the fbi headquarters

01:46:57.160 and the drive back then you're gonna you know spend being interviewed well that wasn't true

01:47:01.620 she ended up being interviewed and polygraphed for four hours didn't get back home till after

01:47:05.720 midnight but what we then learned months later was that she failed that polygraph not only did

01:47:14.020 she fail the polygraph she was admonished by the polygrapher the the uh examiner admonished for her

01:47:23.600 rehearsed answers to the questions and the questions pertain to the pipe bombing directly

01:47:29.620 the questions were or did you plan how do you know that she failed the polygraph uh it uh so

01:47:35.580 So in the Brian Cole Jr. case, now you asked earlier, how did Brian, how did this investigation suddenly get ignited again?

01:47:42.120 Five days after I named Ms. Kirkhoff as the potential bomber based on forensic science, gate recognition technology, suddenly outside of Brian Cole Jr.'s house in Woodbridge, Virginia, is a FBI surveillance team.

01:48:01.500 Five days after.

01:48:02.180 after five years nothing five days after there's a surveillance team on his house

01:48:09.080 he was then arrested a month later charged with a crime on dan bongino's birthday they did the

01:48:16.040 dog dog and pony show you know uh press conference where you know bondi and um janine pirrow and

01:48:23.560 cash patel and dan bongino all made their statements and their speeches about this

01:48:27.880 brian cole jr about this brian cole jr who is he he is a um uh autistic black man

01:48:37.680 he was 25 years old on january 5th and 6th of 2021 he's 30 years old now and um

01:48:50.240 And he famously, because of his autism and his extreme OCD, he famously walked his dog two or three times a day around the neighborhood.

01:49:00.500 His neighbors, including an FBI whistleblower, still an employee of the FBI, says, it ain't him.

01:49:08.580 He walks nothing like the bomber.

01:49:10.720 He has a very interesting gait.

01:49:13.540 I can go through the forensics with you until the cows come home, Tucker, just very briefly.

01:49:19.960 And then I'm going to give you the blockbuster, all right?

01:49:22.260 It's just, you know, when, I'm sorry to say this,

01:49:24.560 but when Cord Meyer's wife, Mary Pinchon Meyer,

01:49:27.600 who had had an affair with President Kennedy,

01:49:29.620 was murdered on the towpath in Georgetown,

01:49:31.400 right near where I grew up, by CIA,

01:49:35.260 it was obvious, it's very clear what happened now.

01:49:37.800 But then at the time,

01:49:40.060 and she was a well-known person in Georgetown

01:49:41.940 in 1962 or whatever,

01:49:44.340 they arrested an autistic black guy. 0.89

01:49:47.500 Put him up, I'm laughing, it's just like horrible. 1.00

01:49:50.220 Yeah.

01:49:50.480 And they put him on trial.

01:49:51.360 He was acquitted by a D.C. jury.

01:49:53.680 But it's the same.

01:49:55.320 It's the same.

01:49:56.600 I mean, that's, I'm not, you know, whatever.

01:49:58.360 No, I know.

01:49:59.040 Just like I've heard this story before. 1.00

01:50:00.920 Let's find the autistic black guy. 1.00

01:50:02.660 Right. 1.00

01:50:04.020 So bad.

01:50:05.020 Here's a really interesting side note to this story. 0.55

01:50:09.320 So you had the evening of the arrest, the press conference from all the muckety-mucks, DOJ and FBI. 0.79

01:50:17.440 That was six months ago. 0.95

01:50:18.800 You know who has never mentioned it yet during the campaign?

01:50:23.000 It was a top three priority of this administration?

01:50:25.860 The president. 0.99

01:50:26.980 The president never patted Cash and Dan on the ass and said, attaboy. 0.99

01:50:30.860 He's never mentioned it. 0.98

01:50:32.040 Nobody in the White House has ever commented on it.

01:50:34.200 And our sources in the White House is nobody in the White House buys this arrest.

01:50:38.200 Well, I can confirm that, which is why I'm talking to you.

01:50:40.560 Yeah, come on now.

01:50:43.400 But I also don't, you know, I don't know.

01:50:45.540 I mean, just be, you know, I don't know, I don't know anything, uh, which is why I'm grateful you're here. So, okay. So you write a piece saying that it looks like this Kirchhoff woman could be the person, her date, her gate is basically identical. Yes. Um, she meanwhile works in a protective capacity at CAA, possibly for the director himself. Crazy, crazy town. Um, what is her response to it? She denies it?

01:51:12.340 Well, you know, one of the things that I've been criticized greatly over in me and my team and my writing partner, Joe Hanneman, is that we never reached out for comment to Ms. Kirkhoff.

01:51:23.180 Well, that's not true.

01:51:24.720 Try reaching out to somebody who's an employee of the CIA.

01:51:28.260 Yeah, I have.

01:51:29.060 Her background has been scrubbed.

01:51:32.020 Now, I did find her address.

01:51:33.980 We found that.

01:51:35.460 I could have knocked on her door.

01:51:38.620 I didn't do it.

01:51:39.920 Shame on me.

01:51:40.960 Okay?

01:51:41.140 So I should have gotten, I should have, should have, could have knocked on her door.

01:51:47.980 We contacted everybody else.

01:51:49.880 Nine o'clock the next morning.

01:51:51.380 So our story comes out on a Saturday morning.

01:51:54.880 Nine o'clock on Sunday morning, November 9th at 9 a.m., I'm in a hotel in D.C. 0.96

01:52:00.720 and I get a call from the freaking CIA. 0.66

01:52:04.580 It's the chief public affairs officer at CIA calls me at 9 a.m. 0.98

01:52:09.860 from home with a crying baby in her arm. I can hear the baby crying. She's going, excuse me.

01:52:15.100 She goes, look, I'm just calling you to let you know that you got one aspect of your story wrong.

01:52:18.880 I went, okay, great. What one aspect did I get wrong? She said, you've got Ms. Kirkoff's job

01:52:24.000 description wrong. Now, the job description that I published, I didn't make up. That was what

01:52:29.300 Odie and I, who has access to the entire intelligence community database, read off to me 0.90

01:52:36.280 and told me what her job was.

01:52:37.980 But instead, she said,

01:52:39.420 no, she's just a security officer

01:52:41.040 at Langley on the campus.

01:52:44.800 That's all she is.

01:52:45.820 Security officer Langley.

01:52:47.500 And so we corrected the story.

01:52:49.380 I mean, we didn't correct it.

01:52:50.320 We just made, you know.

01:52:51.080 But she didn't say

01:52:52.240 our employees was not the pipe bomber.

01:52:55.200 No, nothing like that.

01:52:56.060 She just, she actually even said,

01:52:57.860 she said, I just don't,

01:52:58.820 I don't want that one little thing,

01:53:00.060 you know, to take away

01:53:00.660 from the veracity of your story.

01:53:01.960 She said that.

01:53:04.000 And thank you.

01:53:05.780 So I notified my editors, they made the note, you know, to the story, and then everything continued to blow up.

01:53:16.580 Now, fast forward six months later, and I have sat down with, for many, many hours, a current existing CIA employee who has also become a whistleblower, but he still has his job, and he has held Ms. Kirkoff's files in his hands.

01:53:35.780 And he said, that Sunday morning call that you got saying that she was a campus security officer at CIA, that's a lie.

01:53:42.000 And he goes, you know, that's what we do for a living, right?

01:53:44.240 We lie.

01:53:44.780 Yeah.

01:53:45.640 I said, yeah, I understand.

01:53:51.980 So what did FBI say about this?

01:53:54.520 Did you call Dan Bongino or Kash Patel to ask their view?

01:53:58.820 Well, you know, I have reached out to Bongino on many occasions, and this is part of the story is that in my reporting about the new FBI, I've been very critical of them, especially after their abandonment of the whistleblowers, because that was one of Patel's promises was that they were going to make the whistleblowers whole.

01:54:15.780 That was one of Bongino's promises.

01:54:17.640 They were going to make the whistleblowers.

01:54:19.060 And we're talking about the whistleblowers that had whistleblown about the COVID regime, about the mandates related to that, about January 6th.

01:54:26.240 The guys that were told to go out and SWAT raid grandmas for misdemeanor offenses, something the FBI had never done in its 100-year history of the agency, the Bureau.

01:54:37.060 and and so um i'd become very critical and five times that i know of and i only know this because

01:54:44.880 the executives at the blaze related to me five times individuals from the seventh floor of the

01:54:52.740 fbi the hoover building called my bosses to try to get me fired at the blaze what yes who do you

01:55:00.220 know who called from fbi dan bongino called twice he was the first one that i was trying to get you

01:55:03.800 fired? Yeah. Well, first of all, to complain. Then it escalated from there. Did he call you?

01:55:09.820 No, didn't. No. Bongino and I, Bongino gets my DMs because he told my bosses that he

01:55:19.260 reads my DMs. That's why I know he gets them. And he's famously blocks people on his, you know,

01:55:25.500 X account. He's never blocked me, but he's criticized me. He's the one who told Thomas

01:55:32.340 Massey that he would personally write the check for the defamation lawsuit from Shani

01:55:38.400 Kerkhoff.

01:55:40.640 How did Dan go so quickly from a critic of the deep state to its most aggressive defender?

01:55:49.780 What happened to Dan, do you think?

01:55:51.480 I don't know, but I can tell you that in February of 24, and it's still on David's

01:56:02.340 X page. You can go there. February 24, he is singing my praises. He goes, that Baker guy at

01:56:08.360 the blaze, he is just knocking it out of the park about the pipe bomb because we were releasing

01:56:12.140 videos back then that nobody had ever seen. Like, you know, the destruction of the bomb by the

01:56:16.180 robot. The fact that investigative cameras had been turned away from the site. We not only found

01:56:22.580 that the cameras had been turned away, we found the act of them being turned away from the

01:56:27.000 investigation scene. And we were releasing all these videos back then and he's singing my praises.

01:56:31.540 as well. He's complete opposite now. I don't know, you know, look, I can speculate as much as

01:56:36.720 anybody. He, it feels like, looks like he had a breakdown of some sort. He's terrified. That's

01:56:43.220 obvious. Um, I don't know why. I don't know any more than that. I know having had a lot of contact

01:56:49.040 with Dan Bongino, he turned on a dime, you know, something happened to him at FBI that just broke

01:56:54.720 him as a man, destroyed his life and certainly destroyed his career. And I feel sorry for him,

01:56:59.820 But I just find it interesting that he was your, like, greatest opponent.

01:57:05.860 You're just trying to find out what happened.

01:57:08.280 Yeah, he tried to call me off of my reporting on the whistleblower situation.

01:57:13.220 And then as we were getting closer to this story, he called.

01:57:17.220 So the first person he called was the president of the blaze.

01:57:19.940 And that was in the summer before I even knew who Kirkoff was.

01:57:23.480 And then later he called my editor-in-chief.

01:57:26.820 and then Ben Williamson, the assistant personal,

01:57:31.580 I think, personal affairs officer in the seventh floor of the FBI,

01:57:36.080 he called my editor-in-chief.

01:57:38.000 Both Bongino and Williamson agreed that Bongino would sit down with me

01:57:42.700 and let me show him the evidence we had developed on the pipe bomb,

01:57:45.760 which he never did.

01:57:47.560 And I sent him many messages trying to execute that opportunity,

01:57:51.960 that sit-down.

01:57:52.660 Never happened.

01:57:53.920 And then—

01:57:54.640 Why wouldn't he want to see that, I wonder?

01:57:57.720 I don't know.

01:57:59.800 You know, he famously criticized Massey, you know, in this tirade.

01:58:03.380 He went on like a, you know, four-day tirade against Massey.

01:58:05.540 And one of the things he was criticizing Massey for is that Massey wouldn't accept his invitation to come down to the Hoover Building and see their evidence against Brian Colgene.

01:58:12.980 No, no, Dan is working to cover up, you know, the activities of the permanent government.

01:58:19.060 It's just, I just have never seen anyone change that much or be that afraid.

01:58:24.120 I mean, he was going to have a heart attack.

01:58:25.740 He was so afraid.

01:58:26.360 And I'm not saying that to attack him, but I just wish I knew what happened to him.

01:58:33.920 You haven't heard.

01:58:35.100 No, I know no specifics, but what I do know is that he made two calls to my bosses.

01:58:44.940 Ben Williamson made one call.

01:58:46.300 um marshall yates who was the congressional liaison to the fbi formerly general counsel

01:58:53.640 staffer for thomas massey before he went to fbi he called my bosses he definitely was trying to

01:58:59.460 get me fired uh marshall called the white house he i mean he he he called congress members uh

01:59:05.680 he did media sources everything they could to try and what was your crime again my crime was

01:59:10.980 reporting on kirkoff and i allegedly was the person that received leaks of both files and

01:59:21.840 technologies from joe kent the director of national counterterrorism did you no not i mean not in fact

01:59:30.500 in fact uh before before um i left the blaze the week before i got a call from daily wire

01:59:38.800 reported daily wire 9 30 at night at home and he said hey i'm calling to comment from you on a

01:59:44.480 story that i've got i said okay hit me he said i have three different sources from the intelligence

01:59:49.080 community who say you were the recipient of leaks from joe kent and i just busted out laughing in

01:59:54.820 his face i said well first of all who are the three sources i can't tell you that i said you

01:59:58.160 have three people from the ic telling you that i received technology and leaks from joe kent yes

02:00:04.080 That's what I have.

02:00:05.240 Fifteen minutes, I just went off on him.

02:00:07.380 And he finally went, okay, okay, okay, okay.

02:00:09.060 I believe you.

02:00:09.480 I believe you.

02:00:09.960 And then they didn't publish the story.

02:00:11.700 Yeah.

02:00:12.240 But everybody else did.

02:00:14.160 Reuters did.

02:00:15.360 Of course.

02:00:15.640 You know, New York Times.

02:00:16.780 Everybody else published stories about it.

02:00:18.880 So, what was Kirkhoff's response to your piece?

02:00:21.860 Well, it was through attorneys.

02:00:23.240 I mean, she has never spoken herself until, guess what she got?

02:00:28.620 She got the Ray Epps treatment from the New York Times.

02:00:30.900 and they did the full puff piece on her and made her into the sympathetic figure that i had

02:00:37.500 defamed and falsely accused of being the bomber and um that reporter called me and i did an hour

02:00:45.700 and a half the first session and 30 minutes of follow-up with that reporter i went through

02:00:50.080 everything that reporter had no idea that she had flunked you know the the polygraph i went through 1.00

02:00:55.820 tons of evidence and information that we have and so what was her what's i read somewhere that she

02:01:02.280 said there's video of me with my dog or my puppy during the hours in question when the so for

02:01:08.880 planted again we have three sources from the fbi who called cbs and it's told cbs news that they

02:01:16.780 had uh an alibi video of miss kirkhoff on the evening of january 5th while the bomber is running

02:01:23.480 around at RNC and DNC, is that she is home, and I quote, playing with her puppies. Okay.

02:01:30.700 The same three sources from the FBI who allegedly leaked that to CBS would also have known at the

02:01:37.900 same time, the same day, that she flunked the polygraph, and they conveniently left that out

02:01:42.440 of the story. Have you seen this video? No, it doesn't exist as far as we know, because it has

02:01:46.460 been under, they have, they have, uh, requested, the attorneys for Brian Cole Jr. have requested

02:01:51.480 it under discovery, and it's never been turned over. But Clarelock has changed the story twice

02:01:58.720 now. Clarelock is the most feared defamation law firm in the world, probably. They famously

02:02:09.500 represented the voting machine company against Fox and many other high-profile cases. Not only

02:02:19.880 that they changed the story about the puppy videos twice now because the CBS version of the story was

02:02:26.080 that she was home playing with her puppies, three FBI sources, right? Then I received, the Blaze

02:02:33.720 received and my partner, Joe Hanneman, received the demand and preservation letter from Claire

02:02:38.840 Locke prior to the lawsuit being filed. And in the preservation letter, they changed the story

02:02:44.800 to that the video shows her at home caring for her dog, Singur.

02:02:49.900 Now, that may not seem like a significant change, except for one big reason.

02:02:55.560 Immediately after the story came out that she was home playing with her puppies,

02:03:00.660 what they didn't know is that we had done a dark web scrape.

02:03:05.360 We found her old social media stuff.

02:03:08.260 And in that, we found where she and her partner had adopted an adult greyhound down in Florida.

02:03:14.800 And brought it home one month before January 6th.

02:03:19.060 And we also found the five-star review that Ms. Kirkhoff had given her dog sitter, dog walker.

02:03:27.080 And again, references only the one dog, the one adult dog by name.

02:03:32.460 And they didn't know that we'd been able to find these things.

02:03:35.080 And so as soon as that came out, even though I was under a gag order now from the blaze and I couldn't publish anything about Ms. Kirkhoff directly, I released those photos for proxies.

02:03:44.800 who put it out on the web. So suddenly they were embarrassed that it wasn't puppies and three FBI

02:03:50.780 sources, right? These are not people that are going to get the, are going to get wrong between

02:03:55.840 puppies and a dog. So it goes from, she was playing with her puppies to caring for her dog.

02:04:02.240 And then the lawsuit comes out and the lawsuit says, well, okay, it wasn't either one of those

02:04:06.620 things. There's a video of the dog sleeping on the couch and you can hear her voice in the

02:04:12.940 background off camera and we've only ever seen a screenshot of the dog on the couch but nobody

02:04:19.920 has seen the video meanwhile uh you know there are a bunch of news stories attacking you for

02:04:26.900 impugning her character when there's video evidence proving her innocence but it turns out to be a

02:04:31.820 little bit more complicated than that i guess it's much more complicated than that i mean first of

02:04:35.640 all, Brian Cole is not the bomber. Brian Cole cannot be the bomber. We've made famous by his

02:04:46.640 pseudonym. His name is Armitus. And he is also an individual on the spectrum, highly motivated

02:04:58.660 on the pipe bomb story. He and I met a couple of years ago through this story. And then he began

02:05:04.340 working with our team on the video examination, and he's obsessed with this. And one of the things

02:05:11.260 that he has been able to discover, and I love his quote, is he says that Brian Cole Jr.'s body is

02:05:19.020 his alibi. We know, because I've been on my hands and knees inside Rumsey Court, measured the bricks

02:05:27.420 in the alleyway behind the RNC. We have a clear shot of the shoe, the foot that the hooded bomber

02:05:35.980 is wearing. The heel is on the line of a brick. That shoe crosses the first brick, the second

02:05:42.980 brick, and less than half of the third brick. That's a nine to a nine and a half at the most

02:05:49.200 of that particular shoe. Now, why do I know that? It's because I've purchased three pairs

02:05:53.360 of that Nike Air Max Speed Turf shoe.

02:05:56.640 I purchased a nine and a half,

02:05:57.760 a 10 and a half,

02:05:58.280 and a 12.

02:05:59.060 Why did I purchase a 12?

02:06:00.800 Because Brian Cole Jr. wears a 12.

02:06:04.240 Brian Cole Jr.,

02:06:05.280 by his mother's own statement,

02:06:07.960 could not,

02:06:09.420 I showed his mother

02:06:10.400 the nine and a half of that shoe.

02:06:12.720 She goes,

02:06:13.520 Brian ain't squeezing

02:06:14.320 his big fat foot in that shoe.

02:06:17.600 I have held Brian Cole's shoes

02:06:19.780 in my hands.

02:06:22.020 He wears,

02:06:22.240 All of his shoes are size 12.

02:06:24.180 So why did he confess, though? 0.70

02:06:27.960 As I mentioned earlier, the demographic known for giving the highest rate of false confessions to law enforcement are autistic individuals.

02:06:36.420 They had him in an interrogation for two hours with no attorney present. 0.65

02:06:44.480 They just scooped him off the street.

02:06:46.060 He was walking to the 7-Eleven.

02:06:50.140 The dog had just recently passed away.

02:06:51.840 He was walking to the 7-Eleven down the front of his neighborhood.

02:06:55.160 The FBI scooped him up off the street, arrested him, took him in, put him under interrogation.

02:07:02.440 Now, this is a highly OCD kid with, I mean, he's five minutes to Wapner.

02:07:08.900 That's who he is.

02:07:10.180 Okay.

02:07:11.300 Very smart.

02:07:12.360 Very bright.

02:07:13.540 But very much a creature of habit and routine.

02:07:16.640 Does he have some political motive?

02:07:18.260 Like, what are they saying moved him to do this?

02:07:20.940 Well, what they're saying is that it's in his confession that he had taken his cues from the Irish Troubles.

02:07:29.680 I'm sorry?

02:07:32.140 That's the reaction.

02:07:33.840 Yes.

02:07:34.880 The Irish Troubles was where he was motivated.

02:07:39.620 And he says, or they say that he said in the confession that he hated both the left and the right.

02:07:45.480 He hated both parties and that that's why he planted the devices at the RNC and the DNC.

02:07:53.120 There's one problem with that is that there were two other potential drop sites because we know from the video evidence that one of those sites was the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and the bomber changed their mind.

02:08:06.200 Another site was an actual housing unit that houses Congress members and Congress staff members.

02:08:13.360 Those were the two other locations where the bomber stopped and chose not to, and then eventually settled on the DNC and the RNC.

02:08:26.140 As I said, there's so many details, and they're all running through my mind, but I want to give you something that we've never released before, and I got permission from the attorneys to give this to you.

02:08:34.500 This was something that Armitas, our video examiner, found, is after thousands of hours of watching these videos of the bomber, walking through Rumsey Court for the first time, because this kid, our guy, he watches, you know, the first time he watches a pixel set, then the next time he watches another pixel set, and then he's that obsessed with the videos.

02:08:57.460 But that obsession led him to finally see a smartwatch flash on the bomber's wrist.

02:09:08.440 After years of watching the same video over and over and over again and never noticed it, all of a sudden, the smartwatch flashes.

02:09:15.640 This is the January 5th hooded pipe bomber.

02:09:18.380 It flashes again.

02:09:20.500 He tells us about it, so me and now, my whole team, all of us go all in back to the videos again.

02:09:26.020 And suddenly, what we thought were arm stretches and, you know, other motions that the bomber was just making during the stroll, the bomber's talking into their wrist at least five times that we can count.

02:09:42.800 One problem with that is Brian Cole Jr. has never owned a watch, never worn a watch, much less acquired a smart watch and learned to talk into it on the night of the distribution of the pipe bombs.

02:09:56.020 we know that for a fact.

02:09:59.500 Is he pleading guilty in this case?

02:10:01.360 No. Oh, no.

02:10:02.340 In fact, just three or four weeks ago,

02:10:04.540 there was a superseding indictment

02:10:06.340 where they jacked it up,

02:10:08.180 trying to force them into a plea deal.

02:10:10.320 They jacked it up.

02:10:11.540 They charged him with terrorism

02:10:12.740 and planting weapons of mass destruction.

02:10:15.740 Basically, charges that would get him life in prison

02:10:18.020 if he was convicted,

02:10:19.380 thinking that they would scare him,

02:10:20.840 the family, into a plea deal.

02:10:22.980 Even though they weren't bombs.

02:10:24.520 Even though they weren't bombs.

02:10:26.020 And it doesn't seem like he did it.

02:10:28.020 And he could not physically have been the person that did it.

02:10:31.960 He's the wrong shoe size.

02:10:33.480 He's the wrong body shape. 1.00

02:10:35.960 Can gait recognition tell a man from a woman? 1.00

02:10:38.900 Absolutely. 0.97

02:10:39.380 Well, no, it can tell the gait and then you can surmise.

02:10:43.840 But, you know, most people that have viewed the videos for years have thought that it was a female.

02:10:49.020 That's what I thought looking at it.

02:10:50.500 But what do I know?

02:10:51.460 But you talk about a guy who, we've got video of him walking.

02:10:54.180 His gait could not be more antithetical to the bomber's gait. 0.78

02:10:58.840 It's highly, he walks almost like a duck walk with his butt out. 1.00

02:11:04.120 And, you know, he walks, which is typical of an autistic person, you know, placing. 1.00

02:11:09.640 Heel first. 1.00

02:11:10.100 Yeah, right. 0.99

02:11:10.720 Or toe first.

02:11:11.820 But with the feet out like this, whereas the bomber walks like this with a pigeon-toed right foot, circumduction, planting it in front of the left foot.

02:11:25.060 That's the way the bomber walks.

02:11:27.560 That's the way Shawnee Kirkhoff walks.

02:11:31.140 So what is the—okay, so now you're being sued.

02:11:35.500 Okay, I'm sorry.

02:11:36.600 I don't want to get ahead.

02:11:37.240 So, Brian Cole Jr. had, now there's a superseding indictment threatening him with life in prison, trying to get him to plea.

02:11:44.600 Is he going to plea?

02:11:45.640 No.

02:11:45.900 As a matter of fact, at that exact hearing, status hearing, the defense attorneys demanded a trial date.

02:11:53.200 Is he in jail?

02:11:54.140 He's in jail.

02:11:55.320 He's been held in pretrial detention.

02:11:57.080 He's in the general population.

02:11:58.700 I thought for sure that they would have him in isolation for his own benefit.

02:12:03.720 Yeah, no, I don't think his own benefit plays a role in their calculations.

02:12:08.600 No, but he actually has a cellmate.

02:12:12.120 He is granted access several hours a day to a tablet, so he is able to communicate with his family through the tablet.

02:12:18.700 He calls all of his family members twice a day in a rigid schedule.

02:12:25.680 It's just bonkers that there have to be.

02:12:28.800 I know the people I've spoken to in the federal government believe that he's falsely charged.

02:12:33.600 Yeah.

02:12:34.440 And these are sober, you know, these are real people.

02:12:38.020 This is not on Twitter.

02:12:39.160 This is real life.

02:12:39.980 And they think he's falsely charged.

02:12:41.100 But there have to be people in federal law enforcement who agree with that.

02:12:44.400 And yet they're going along with it anyway.

02:12:46.060 Well, they're not.

02:12:46.700 As a matter of fact, there was a new whistleblower that came forward as a direct result of this case.

02:12:52.220 An FBI whistleblower that I mentioned earlier.

02:12:54.060 This whistleblower, FBI agent, lives just down the street from the Cole family.

02:13:01.300 This whistleblower has lived in the neighborhood for 10 years, has seen Brian Cole Jr. walking his dog twice a day, three times a day, him and his wife, hundreds, thousands of times over 10 years.

02:13:15.720 He came forward because of this case.

02:13:18.900 I've interviewed the whistleblower.

02:13:20.780 He told me, and I quote, he said, nobody in my shop is buying this arrest.

02:13:25.760 What are they suing you for?

02:13:27.720 Well, defamation.

02:13:29.540 Right, but what are the damages?

02:13:31.500 There's been no stated number yet at all.

02:13:34.680 I mean, to be honest with you, the 127-page lawsuit, I got through 30 pages with my highlighter, and I had to stop.

02:13:43.380 I mean, I just gave up.

02:13:44.940 It's one lie, falsehood after the other.

02:13:47.920 In fact, they are making stuff up.

02:13:50.780 I mean, making stuff up that doesn't exist.

02:13:53.500 And see, we haven't gotten to the part yet where I get to see discovery, where we get to subpoena information.

02:13:59.240 We haven't got there yet.

02:14:00.160 It's all brand new. 1.00

02:14:02.300 But the law firm that represents coal is now representing me.

02:14:09.120 So they have the coal discovery.

02:14:12.520 I still can't see it.

02:14:14.440 But what they have informed me is that we have nothing to worry about.

02:14:20.880 I want to ask you one last question.

02:14:23.800 It came to my attention several months ago when I was hearing this story from a couple people in the U.S. government

02:14:29.500 who are very upset about it,

02:14:30.880 not because they're partisans one way or the other,

02:14:34.040 but because they're human beings

02:14:36.320 who are decent people and believe in justice

02:14:38.900 and like not hurting the innocent,

02:14:42.920 that there were people in the government

02:14:45.900 who believed, career people including,

02:14:48.840 who believed that this was totally crazy,

02:14:50.560 that you were right,

02:14:52.100 that you're the one being defamed,

02:14:54.640 and that Brian Cole has been falsely charged.

02:14:57.580 And one of them worked for the Department of Homeland Security and is now dead.

02:15:05.360 This is a story that I heard from a couple of different people who were very upset about it.

02:15:08.860 I don't think this has ever been written about in public.

02:15:12.040 Are you familiar with what I'm talking about?

02:15:13.600 And if so, tell me what you know about this.

02:15:15.980 We are deeply involved in the investigation.

02:15:19.100 We have not written about it yet because we don't have final conclusions.

02:15:25.200 But maybe we don't use names and you can just tell us.

02:15:27.560 I won't mention his name.

02:15:31.820 So, you may not know this, but I had acute heart failure the Sunday before Christmas.

02:15:40.080 The Friday.

02:15:40.580 No, I didn't know that.

02:15:42.080 The Friday.

02:15:43.040 So, this was the Sunday before Christmas.

02:15:44.760 On Friday, that night, I was in Rumsey Court on my hands and knees with a tape measure measuring those bricks.

02:15:52.700 The very bricks that the hooded bomber stepped on.

02:15:55.700 I'm measuring the bricks.

02:15:59.220 Saturday morning, I'm over at the DNC measuring the sidewalk and the pavement there

02:16:03.880 to compare so we could establish an exact or as close to an exact shoe size as we could of the hooded bomber.

02:16:12.020 At lunchtime on Friday, before I did that, I got a call from a member of the intelligence community.

02:16:20.800 Decades.

02:16:22.700 He said, we have to meet.

02:16:24.080 We have to meet now.

02:16:25.060 I said, okay, so we met.

02:16:27.720 He picked a place and I met him there.

02:16:29.980 First thing he did is he took my phone away and threw it in his briefcase, which is a Faraday cage briefcase.

02:16:36.180 And then he slid a card across the table.

02:16:38.500 He said, do you know who that is?

02:16:39.780 And I looked at the name on the card.

02:16:41.020 I said, yeah, of course.

02:16:42.980 He grabbed the card back and he said he was found dead the day before Thanksgiving.

02:16:49.700 now my last conversation with the name on that card was october 29th and when i took this case

02:17:00.720 to odni as we said before because odni and the members of the dig who were going to look into

02:17:08.760 this had determined that they didn't trust the fbi either on this case especially this case

02:17:16.780 And so they were going to take it to HSI, Homeland Security Investigations.

02:17:21.520 The relationships that they had is they had a liaison partnership with all of the intelligence.

02:17:26.600 That's what the DIG is.

02:17:27.680 The DIG had reached out to all of the 18 federal intelligence agencies.

02:17:31.340 Yeah, that's the interagency, yeah.

02:17:32.420 And got one of the good guys or two of the good guys from each agency to come in and work with them.

02:17:37.720 Not deep staters, vetted in that manner.

02:17:40.600 This is an individual who was vetted to not be a deep stater.

02:17:44.180 19 years career with HSI, senior agent over there.

02:17:49.000 They called him in.

02:17:50.780 They briefed him on the entire case, introduced me to him.

02:17:55.620 Then in late October, early November, he sat down with a team, again, of individuals that I will not name.

02:18:05.720 I know who they were, and I know who was at the conference table.

02:18:09.100 And he briefed them on how he was going to pursue this case.

02:18:13.220 what technologies he was going to use,

02:18:16.880 the other personnel that he was going to bring into this to pursue this case.

02:18:22.020 And as I said, my last conversation with him was on the 29th of October.

02:18:29.600 One of these people that I know of had their last conversation with him on November 10th.

02:18:35.460 10th. And then his girlfriend found him dead in his condo on the 26th of November, the day before

02:18:42.760 Thanksgiving. And this longtime IC operative had tears streaming down his face as he's talking

02:18:55.960 about this and explaining to me what they've heard. And he said, of course, the rumor is

02:19:01.160 obviously that he committed suicide and he said none of us believe it none of us that knew him

02:19:07.620 and were close to him were friends with him believe that this was a suicide and what did

02:19:13.220 the medical examiner say still no report from the medical examiner we actually on our team was over

02:19:19.780 six seven months ago yeah we we have it we have a um uh a member of my you know my team who is a

02:19:26.760 a retired 25-year FBI vet and a veteran, and he, now private investigator, who we retained,

02:19:35.360 and he actually went to the Fairfax County Police Department and spoke to the lead detective on

02:19:41.300 this case. And in that situation, the detective didn't give up anything, any information whatsoever,

02:19:47.160 except that there still was no report from the medical examiner. And that was back in February.

02:19:53.420 And then more recently, just in the last few days, we have it confirmed.

02:19:56.960 There's still no report.

02:19:58.180 We have FOIAed that information.

02:20:00.620 They've ignored it.

02:20:01.240 Fairfax County Police Department has completely ignored us on that FOIA.

02:20:05.900 Are they allowed to do that?

02:20:08.400 Technically, no.

02:20:09.140 But, you know, they do it all the time.

02:20:10.540 Law enforcement agencies around D.C., they're famous for that.

02:20:14.180 That's why, like, Judicial Watch has to sue them.

02:20:16.500 And then you get the body cams.

02:20:18.300 like, you know, Tom Fenton just got the body cams from January 6, five years, five and a half years

02:20:24.120 later, but he had to wait, you know, three years or two years of lawsuits to get certain of these

02:20:28.920 body cams released. And that's just the way they are. They stonewall you until you have to

02:20:34.080 beat them in court. And so, here's what we also know about this, because we have done 0.97

02:20:41.660 a tremendous amount of investigation ourselves into this HSI agent's death.

02:20:50.360 In January, I'm only three weeks after my acute heart failure and I call up my cardiologist and

02:20:57.500 say, I got to go to DC. He's like, I don't want you traveling yet. He said, you're not flying,

02:21:03.020 all right? I said, no, I'm going to drive. He said, all right, be careful, take it easy,

02:21:07.200 whatever. I beeline it straight to the condo where this individual was found dead.

02:21:17.000 As I get there, I'm pretending like I'm a real estate buyer. I'm pretending like I'm interested

02:21:22.860 in purchasing this condo. As I get there and going through the charade of being somebody in

02:21:29.880 the market for a house, I walk up on the guy that's moving into the condo where this agent

02:21:35.680 had died. They've sold it. The house has been, the condo has been sold. So the guy's, he's

02:21:41.820 carrying boxes in. And I said, oh, you're moving into unit blah, blah, blah. And he said, yeah.

02:21:46.440 He goes, I just closed on it last week. I said, oh, darn it. You know, I was looking at that. I 0.99

02:21:51.180 was here a couple of weeks ago. And he, he said, yeah. So he said, there's a unit below me. You

02:21:57.280 know, he's like, so he took me down there. He showed me another one that was on the market

02:22:00.260 right then. He said, I think it's the same agent. I said, thank you. So we shook hands. And then

02:22:05.320 as we're going, he's going back to the parking lot to get another load of boxes. And I'm going

02:22:10.020 to my car. I pulled the Columbo on him and I went, oh, oh, by the way, I got one more question for

02:22:14.980 you. And I walked over to him again. And I said, I heard when I was here a couple of weeks ago

02:22:19.420 that there was something weird that happened in that unit. He goes, yeah. He said, I was told

02:22:25.220 that the previous owner was murdered. I was told he was murdered. And that's an exact quote.

02:22:32.580 I was not expecting to hear that. And he caught me off guard. I mean, I was like,

02:22:38.840 that answer took me off my game. And so I didn't ask the obvious follow-up question was,

02:22:47.520 who told you that? Now, I would imagine it was a neighbor. Obviously, there's a death in there,

02:22:51.200 suspicious death. They're going to tape off the scene. These condos are very close and tightly

02:22:55.480 wrapped around each other. They would have interviewed all of the neighbors to see who

02:23:00.380 they heard anything, saw anything, all of that would have happened. So I can only imagine and

02:23:04.260 surmise that one of the neighbors probably was told by a young cop doing the, you know,

02:23:08.900 surveillance that this guy's over here was killed or murdered or whatever. Um, we know we have

02:23:13.420 learned since then that it was a gunshot to the head and, um, it was his girlfriend that found

02:23:20.140 the body. There's been no publicity. There's never been anything on the police blotter about this.

02:23:24.480 The family did not issue an obituary.

02:23:27.760 The only thing that I have in my possession of evidence, solid evidence of his death,

02:23:33.400 or two things actually, is that his body was cremated on December 19th, three weeks later,

02:23:40.460 before the medical examiner's report, before cause of death is issued.

02:23:47.700 And so there's a cremation report.

02:23:51.060 We found that.

02:23:51.660 And then we also found the, I was given the internal memo that HSI put out to all of their employees, you know, talking about the, you know, their colleague who had passed away suddenly and that there were going to be a memorial, you know, get together at a bar for, you know, celebration of life memorial.

02:24:08.800 And then since then, I have also, through my other sources in the IC, have had questions asked within the Fairfax County Department.

02:24:19.780 They've all been stonewalled.

02:24:20.920 They've all been, you know, stiff-armed away from this discussion.

02:24:25.860 Nobody will talk to them about it.

02:24:27.980 And we don't know.

02:24:29.840 So the reason why we've not gone forward with a story about this is there's just way too many things to, you know, there are elements missing from this to make a conclusion.

02:24:40.280 But the bottom line is, is the guy within the community with the power and the investigative authority and the tools and the personnel to investigate this case is dead.

02:24:56.340 That's the facts.

02:24:57.420 what a story

02:25:00.280 I appreciate

02:25:02.160 you're taking

02:25:02.640 all this time

02:25:03.060 to tell it

02:25:03.560 I think it's important

02:25:04.640 to get it on tape

02:25:05.460 we needed to

02:25:07.020 yep

02:25:07.560 it's like a dead man switch

02:25:09.000 if you know what I mean

02:25:09.640 yeah I do

02:25:10.140 Steve Baker

02:25:11.440 thank you very much

02:25:12.200 and Godspeed

02:25:12.720 thank you Tucker

02:25:13.480 thanks for joining us tonight

02:25:15.000 see you next Wednesday

The Tucker Carlson Show - July 02, 2026

Steve Baker on the CIA, FBI, Directed Energy Weapons, and the Lies of the J6 Pipe Bomb Case

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