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00:00:00.000 by august of 2021 kabul afghanistan looked a lot like well saigon vietnam looked in april of 1975

00:00:18.660 chaotic dangerous and humiliating to the united states after 20 years in afghanistan

00:00:25.360 the bide administration had just pulled american troops out the city immediately fell to the

00:00:29.840 taliban president got on a private plane with millions of american dollars and ran away like

00:00:34.920 coward he is and thousands of afghan civilians were rushing to hamid karzai airport in a desperate

00:00:41.340 attempt to flee the country sort of like those helicopters taking off from the roof of the embassy

00:00:44.940 in 1975 so u.s service members were deployed to the scene to help keep the peace but it was an

00:00:52.100 impossible task mobs of afghans running on the runway trying to board flights some clinging to

00:00:58.460 the landing gear you remember the pictures in the middle of that scene that total chaos created by

00:01:03.980 the biden administration a suicide bomber arrived carrying 20 pounds of explosives and made his

00:01:09.600 way to a place called the abbey gate the entrance to the airport and then detonated the device and

00:01:14.420 in so doing murdered 13 american service members along with 170 afghans men women and children

00:01:21.860 one of the americans murdered that day was a marine lance corporal called kareem nakoui he was just 20

00:01:28.340 20 years old he is now credited with saving the lives of at least three afghan families and help getting

00:01:34.220 them out of that country fast forward to 2024 and joe biden is hoping as he stands for re-election at the

00:01:41.680 advanced age of 81 you've completely forgotten what he did in afghanistan and the humiliating

00:01:46.960 and deadly way he withdrew american forces from that country but not everyone has forgotten in fact

00:01:54.280 those touched by the tragedy of that day in the preceding 20 years will never forget

00:01:57.960 now if you watched biden's state of the union address earlier this month you heard a man in

00:02:02.940 the audience yell out to biden reminding him of the killings that took place at the abbey gate

00:02:09.120 at the airport in kabul here's that scene all americans deserve the freedom to be safe

00:02:16.060 and america is safer today than when i took office year before i took office murder rates went up 30

00:02:22.940 percent 30 they went up

00:02:25.800 the biggest increase in history

00:02:31.100 but the soulless monster keeps talking that would be joe biden the soulless monster the man you heard

00:02:39.120 screaming has a soul and he has a reason for sadness and outrage he is called steve nakoui he is the

00:02:45.960 father of that murdered lance corporal kareem nakoui killed in the bombing at abbey gate so for saying

00:02:51.840 that out loud for trying to remind joe biden of what he did steve nakoui was arrested at the

00:02:57.380 capital earlier this month he now joins us in the studio mr kui thank you very much for coming on

00:03:02.540 thank you tucker so uh let's just let's just start with the clip we just played why did you

00:03:07.540 yell out abbey gate and your son's name at the president okay so um yeah we we had an opportunity to

00:03:14.000 um go to this state of the union this time we two families were invited by mike johnson yep and so

00:03:23.420 those families were picked by a hat so there's a a coalition of families uh which is six of us

00:03:31.160 and we can get in later why we had to start a coalition so we all signed a contract and you know

00:03:39.980 are fighting for to get the information of the withdrawal out but two two there were two tickets

00:03:49.200 and we we drew hat we drew names for those and and and hey these are the ones that are going

00:03:54.680 and so there was a a chance that they might address he might address and finally say the kids's names

00:04:04.960 because the thing is he's never he's never recognized the kids his names he's never accepted

00:04:10.380 any kind of responsibility for the withdrawal biden biden has never said your son's name never

00:04:16.060 never not once none of the kids and so we were hoping that all right well these two family members

00:04:22.640 you know they're gonna be able to go and and he might you know bring up afghanistan and um say their

00:04:29.860 names now for me um i had never done any interviews the only interview that i really did was an interview

00:04:35.960 i'd done with you at the very beginning and after his first state of the union for whatever reason i i was

00:04:44.520 at work and i got a call from some some young man hey look we're trying to fill in a a spot in our in

00:04:53.080 our news thing at two o'clock or whatever time was would you come on and i'm like well i don't do

00:04:59.560 interviews oh well look i need to have someone please and he kept begging and was persistent and

00:05:04.580 he was all we know we want to ask you about joe biden's state of the union now this is the first one

00:05:08.340 that he had done after the withdrawal and i was like well i didn't even watch it you know i mean i don't do

00:05:13.600 interviews and somehow i'm sorry i just want to be totally clear this so a year or the next year

00:05:21.580 after your son was yeah so this is in january probably of 2022 but you'd never met president

00:05:28.480 biden or been to the white house no so we met him at dover when we did the dignified transfer but that

00:05:34.060 was anything but dignified i mean you know he um it's kind of the same like if you have kids

00:05:43.860 you have four okay like if i was drunk and then i killed your kid in a drunk driving accident and

00:05:51.300 then i went to you and said well you know what i know how you feel i lost my son and this is how he

00:05:57.320 was at dover so he talked about himself he talked about his son so even in dover when we had first

00:06:03.740 met you know when we had met him in the dignified transfer he said hey look you know i i um i understand

00:06:10.080 what you're going through we lost our son beau as well now in there i wasn't i so people had a chance

00:06:17.240 to whether or not they wanted to meet with the president and if some people didn't want to meet

00:06:21.500 with them they could go to another room i wasn't going to be bullied and go to another room but

00:06:25.900 you know i turned my back to him so when he walked in i turned my back to him my um

00:06:32.660 sorry it's all right my uh daughter came it stood next to me so we just turned our back to her and

00:06:42.040 then uh kareem's mom was talking to him so i was listening to what she was saying and that you know

00:06:48.800 that's what he had said like you know i understand your loss you know oh he lost his son and that just

00:06:54.100 you know infuriated her even more um but he he was like this with everyone and then

00:07:01.800 everything up in in since we're on that point i mean we were we were used that whole thing was us

00:07:10.740 being used i mean we were you know i wanted to wear a suit when i went to this dignified transfer

00:07:15.600 for my son and i don't know if you remember in like the 70 those yellow school buses that had the

00:07:21.380 like tijuana tuck and roll you know you're you're going up and down there's no shocks you can't put

00:07:26.700 down the windows yeah um it's in dover which is like the most humid place you've ever been in your

00:07:32.620 life they transferred us in these like buses like all the families they put us up in a motel six

00:07:39.240 had fecal matter on the walls had cockroaches everywhere um all right now we all got into these

00:07:47.240 buses and we're all sweating they drove us to dover the the place that they do this at dover

00:07:52.680 so the message is really clear like they don't care at all yeah but at the time we didn't i didn't

00:07:57.000 realize that you know at the time i think well you know i'm doing this for my country you know i mean

00:08:02.700 i i felt like almost obligated that i had to do this yes you know and like here this is but like oh

00:08:10.780 they're honoring us like a stateside honoring when when in retrospect you know it was just trying to

00:08:16.520 show like oh we're honoring these parents and that's the end of it do you kind of understand what

00:08:21.720 i'm saying it's like the optics like here look what we're doing and um it was it was very this is the

00:08:28.420 first time i'd seen all the other parents and remind you this is two days after it happened so the

00:08:33.280 next day after this all happens you don't have time to grieve you have the military telling you

00:08:37.540 you have to sign these papers we got to go over here to dover delaware and i'm like

00:08:42.040 what's in dover delaware i have no idea what they're talking in any of this i have to google

00:08:47.720 everything i have to research what a dignified transfer is you know i'm i have no idea and

00:08:53.320 they're telling you you know you just lost your kid now they're saying you have to go to delaware and

00:08:57.060 and uh etc etc so when we go over there it's already and and and what i noticed the first thing

00:09:04.420 that i noticed when i went there um from being like a boss or a business owner i i was able to

00:09:13.200 see a different perspective is that they had no they didn't really know what they were doing they

00:09:21.080 were reacting to how we would react and i found that to be shocking you know it's like whoa what is

00:09:27.740 going on here like there's no protocol um they're seeing how we would react if we'd get physical if

00:09:34.620 we'd get violent if we'd yell you understand what i'm saying um it could there was that you know there

00:09:40.440 was a lot of people yelling i was yelling i was yelling at the the general you know and and i was

00:09:45.200 upset what did you say to the general uh so i i he was pretty much the only one that i that i yelled

00:09:52.440 at and and i just said you know you should have been planning this evacuation you know you should

00:09:57.880 have taken time you know at the time i just remember him promoting his book and then some

00:10:02.140 of the stuff that had happened with the his counterpart was you know at the beginning of the

00:10:07.260 remember the name of the general yeah general miley millie yeah yeah and i just met him last week

00:10:14.680 and he remembered that he remembered that altercation that we had and uh um you know i spotted him

00:10:21.760 um in one of the other room and that dover delaware let me let me so you said i'm sorry just to clear up

00:10:28.420 exactly what happened so you see millie at dover and you and two days before your son was killed and

00:10:34.240 you say to him you should have no after two days after so this all happened after right it was but

00:10:39.180 two days before when you first met him your son had just been killed yeah that's right that's right

00:10:43.340 so you say to him effectively this is your fault like you're in charge of this right didn't do a

00:10:48.120 good job what did he say he said i had been planning for this you know we did plan for it um

00:10:55.360 you know it was a mistake i don't even i don't know if he said a mistake but he had said that um

00:11:03.000 and i kept telling him well you know you don't care i mean you know i mean you weren't looking like

00:11:09.460 you were planning for it from what i've seen from january until now um it looked like you're doing

00:11:16.360 everything else you know it looked like you're on a book tour and it looked like you were

00:11:20.540 coercing with you know the chinese government yeah and you know he said i think he said i've lost 47

00:11:29.920 men or 67 men one of the two and then i said i lost my son and uh so you confirmed him and he made

00:11:38.120 it about himself just like joe biden i've suffered too is what he said you know what i now that i've

00:11:43.520 know more about like the military and people you know i wouldn't say so with him i would say you

00:11:52.740 know what i've noticed with people in the military and i just realized this in the last month is that

00:11:57.620 they look at us like

00:11:59.080 sorry so people that have served it appears that they they treat us like they would want

00:12:09.080 their folks treated if they had lost their lives good you understand what i'm saying i do

00:12:13.940 and now in retrospect you know his anger i think was more along the lines of

00:12:20.460 his guilt i feel he really felt guilty you know and he didn't and he's just mad you know he's a he's

00:12:29.400 and and and and what i had told him a couple weeks ago is because i had an immense respect for him to

00:12:35.100 me he was the guy you know he was the face of our military yes and um more so than pretty much

00:12:44.360 anywhere else i mean you know you you know who mark milley is i mean he's he's a dominating force

00:12:51.460 at the you know prior to that even the donald trump had had him so um and i think you know that rage was

00:13:01.940 that was that here he found himself in a position that you know this stuff happened and and i i i feel

00:13:09.100 like he felt some guilt to be honest with you at that time seems like an appropriate emotion yeah but

00:13:13.880 at the time i didn't i didn't i didn't think that it's taken several years and me to understand the

00:13:19.840 military and and that that's i believe what what he was feeling is that he was he was upset with how

00:13:30.980 everything happened and he wanted to convey that look you know i love you and i've lost people too

00:13:38.080 and i know what you're going through and you know and so that was that was that

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00:15:24.360 between um the time you spent in dover receiving your son's remains staying in the motel six with

00:15:35.400 human feces on the wall um between that and this state of the union earlier this month had you had any

00:15:41.900 contact with biden or the white house never we've never had any contact with the white house or biden

00:15:47.680 and we have reached out or or uh mccall and and several people several families have reached out

00:15:54.900 to you know maybe have a round table with them see what their what their thinking was anything you

00:16:01.940 know honor us or not honor us honor our children yes um something and they just refuse i don't know why

00:16:09.080 they hate us so much to be honest with you i have no idea i mean because you're a living reminder of

00:16:15.540 their failure but but in america we're supposed to you know address those failures i mean he had an

00:16:21.880 opportunity that he could have really rallied the country behind him yes very easily you know by by

00:16:30.080 assuming any kind of responsibility hell you know i know people that business owners that assume more

00:16:36.580 responsibility for someone that gets hurt on their job than than what he's done for for these people

00:16:42.080 people that are held more accountable in drunk driving cases than this and um man yeah after

00:16:50.340 three years this guy he just doesn't want to say anything about any of these kids so how much

00:16:54.860 contact have you had with the families of the other servicemen killed the third the 12 other families

00:16:59.760 um so yeah there's uh well since we've started um trying to lobby to get answers which was started last

00:17:08.380 june yeah um these six families we talked uh every week and on in the capacity that we do for getting

00:17:16.740 these answers that you think they have the same feelings that you do well i can't i would say on

00:17:22.940 some things yeah as regard to millie i couldn't i couldn't what about the biden administration oh yeah

00:17:29.120 100 100 we're united on that and so you said at the outset that you wanted more information about

00:17:36.020 what happened right the events that led up to your son's death right what what do you wish you knew

00:17:41.820 but don't okay so we've made a lot of progress so what happened was when this all happened we you

00:17:47.680 know there we didn't have the house so any of the hearings if you look at any of the the senate hearings

00:17:53.440 that were there they were all kind of biased like they all said although this was great you know we

00:17:58.680 did a good job of course we're gonna it wasn't until um uh mccarthy became speaker that we actually

00:18:07.060 had an opportunity to to get the answers that we needed so last june um we got an opportunity from

00:18:16.900 daryl isa to do like a public we went you know we went to washington and the premise was like look we

00:18:24.800 don't know what's going to happen but we're going to introduce you to mccarthy we're going to introduce

00:18:29.580 you to scalise um mccall and we're going to get you to know because new but nobody knew our our story

00:18:36.280 nobody you know it wasn't um really out there maybe it wasn't to some degree in like maybe social media

00:18:44.660 or something um because that's probably the only outlet that the parents had like their facebook or or

00:18:50.760 whatever but there's a good portion of americans that don't even pay attention to that so um and i

00:18:57.400 being one of them i'm not on any of those that i could channel any anything and um so when this

00:19:05.460 opportunity came you know they're like look we don't know what's going to happen we don't know if

00:19:10.360 there's anything but we're going to go down there and we're you know and every family of the 13 was

00:19:15.720 was was was invited to this like here's what we're doing um it said it was set up uh sean reyes from

00:19:25.000 utah and um kind of connected us with these people and then it kind of uh from there went for daryl

00:19:32.360 isa he was the one that you know had been champion everything at that point and um so you know they

00:19:40.680 they even had funding for it like we're going to take the mom and the dad of each um each child

00:19:47.960 each service member whoever wants to come and uh we're going to go down to washington and see if

00:19:54.120 there's any any anybody that's interested in anything so we went down there we met um these

00:20:01.400 different offices we told them our stories because nobody knew really our stories um you know what had

00:20:08.320 happened to us in dover and then really like the the stuff that we were being told so they had given

00:20:14.240 us a whole bunch of lies you know we're people are talking to the kids people are talking to everyone

00:20:19.960 that's coming back and what the government is telling us is different from what these people

00:20:25.160 that were actually there are saying and so we're like well they're like oh there was no gunfire

00:20:30.560 well one of the marines actually killed one of his aggressors you know he like shot him

00:20:37.280 and killed him or i don't know if he killed him so to say that there was no gunfire is absurd

00:20:44.280 now my son before i sent him or before he went to afghanistan i bought him a uh when i was a kid when

00:20:53.000 we were kids there was that buck 110 knife that the duke brought with the duke boys had they had that

00:20:57.960 with the uh with the bolster on it so i bought my son one of those but a switchblade

00:21:02.280 and i said you know this is good for fast uh you know if you need a knife you know you can it's a

00:21:09.340 switchblade i bought him this and he carried it on him i have pictures of him in afghanistan with it

00:21:15.080 well when the uh when the keiko which is the casually assisted coordinating officer so every

00:21:21.820 time that something happens in the military to your loved ones you get assigned to keiko and he's

00:21:28.060 basically the liaison between the military and your family i mean everything from a to z you know

00:21:33.580 he's like your best friend and so when he had come that night to my house i had said to him hey look you

00:21:39.540 know nothing else i know nothing else i wanted um except for that knife you know i told him hey i gave

00:21:46.760 my kid this knife and uh i want that i want that back and you know he can't he didn't i just met him

00:21:56.840 like two minutes ago and um he's all you know he listened to me well on september 17th is when they

00:22:04.280 brought my son his body back and uh so we you know it was a very nice another kind of dignified

00:22:12.580 transfer from ontario airport to where we live in norco he's buried um like literally less than a

00:22:20.180 mile from my house and that whole way you know the streets are lined american flags and people and

00:22:25.820 everything and then when we get to the cemetery um he pulls me in the back room and he and he pulls

00:22:31.320 out that knife oh you know in in the case and i'm like just happy for me it was like i put so much

00:22:39.220 value in that knife you know like for some reason i felt like if i had that knife it would it would

00:22:47.080 eliminate some of my pain that i had you know that that's something that we that we shared and i give

00:22:53.900 it to him and uh when i when he handed me the knife i looked at it and there was a hole right in the front

00:23:00.620 and the same the same case that we had when we were kids you know it's a leather case with a little

00:23:06.140 button says buck on it yeah and there's a hole in it i'm looking at it and i'm excited and i told

00:23:12.320 him i'm like hey charlie there's a wow there's a hole from one of the bbs you know because ied

00:23:18.180 little bbs and i'm looking at it and i pulled the knife out and the knife was like had imploded inside

00:23:27.560 the sheath so it was hard to get it out of the sheath you know it was hard the uh and when i pulled

00:23:34.460 it out my gun he was like he's a gun i think he got promoted so don't don't be upset with me but

00:23:41.760 when i pulled it out he's like that's not a bb hole that's a bullet hole and so when i when i took

00:23:49.960 it home i got one of my 556 bullets and i got my dial calipers and i started measuring the depth of

00:23:56.460 the hole and then put that depth in relation to the boat tail of the bullet and then measured the

00:24:02.900 diameter i got real scientific and you could just pull the bullet right out of the 556 casing and put

00:24:09.360 it fits perfect in there it was a five it's a 556 and uh you know that's that's proof and if it's on the

00:24:20.600 front of his thing it came from across it didn't come from behind it's not friendly fire because he

00:24:27.060 didn't put it in his back it was right on his front they also they gave you pictures of like

00:24:32.420 where your kid is now every you know maps so when they gave you the um the uh the briefing when they

00:24:39.980 first briefed the families they had maps and said okay your kid is here x marks the spot and then you'd

00:24:46.260 ask him well who's this guy and they're well we can't tell you but then after that they told the

00:24:51.360 public then these then now all of a sudden everybody is out there but the maps that they

00:24:55.980 gave us were all different like there's three of them there's three there's three different ones

00:25:00.340 but one thing i can't say and and and and the other family's kids are in different locations

00:25:05.720 in those three different maps but my son's always on that wall like my son's always in every map

00:25:13.340 right across from the bomber like right across there's three kids on that wall and he was one of them

00:25:19.320 so there's no he wasn't turned around there's no way it could have been friendly fire you understand

00:25:25.580 what i'm saying and that was like one of the things is like well here i've got proof you know

00:25:30.300 i've got proof that my kid was you're gonna tell us that you know they weren't shot at everybody can

00:25:37.040 hear it on the videos but and here's physical proof that i have and it's not an ak round you know it's

00:25:43.700 not a it's not an ak size hole it's it's a perfect like literally that bullet was probably stuck in

00:25:50.040 there and someone had to like pull it out like that's that's how it was and um so fast forward

00:25:57.740 to when we met um daryl lison and them in june i brought that up and showed him that and these were

00:26:04.840 some of the things that that they used to get the ball rolling to get interest in it so you know we've

00:26:11.700 since june we've been going to congress for no other reason but to lobby for our kids to give

00:26:16.660 information that these congressmen don't have so they can bring in different people and do hearings

00:26:23.780 and get the information that we need and we've made like enormous traction i mean just the answers that

00:26:31.340 we've gotten um with the hearings that they've had have been good that we have them that we didn't you

00:26:39.420 know we didn't have them before but as a testament to what a failure this was and we've pretty much

00:26:45.460 gone in all avenues we've exhausted the military i believe at this point that you know the well you

00:26:52.880 know they're the part that they were in charge of was a retrograde so there's two parts to it there

00:26:58.640 was a retrograde and then the evacuation and the retrograde went off unhitched you know no problem

00:27:05.800 the problem was was that when you hear people say well you should have taken the people out before

00:27:11.140 you take out the military they should have done the neo before they did the retrograde and and that's

00:27:16.740 where the point comes is that the state department and the administration was in charge of the neo and

00:27:22.180 the retrograde and the only reason why they did the neo now they did the neo the neo was implemented by

00:27:28.000 uh ross wilson who's that's another guy he's he's the guy you know after all these nine months of

00:27:35.780 going back and forth uh it's not you know i don't see it's the generals i don't see it's the military

00:27:40.880 it's this guy he's the guy that initiated the the neo and he did it on august 14th now who is ross

00:27:48.780 wilson and if you could just explain what a neo is i just i just i i'm not he's the ambassador so he

00:27:54.980 was the ambassador for afghanistan that's about all i know about him uh we just we just kind of

00:28:00.960 stumbled onto him a couple weeks ago in that hearing that the two generals had um a neo is a

00:28:07.400 non-combatant evacuation and those are you know planned by the state department so every embassy has

00:28:15.940 a neo um the problem that they did is they didn't implement the neo soon enough so he implemented it on

00:28:24.820 august 14th because the taliban was he could see the taliban coming so he sees them and he's like

00:28:30.480 uh-oh i'm gonna implement the neo and then on the 15th they come in and they take the embassy i don't

00:28:36.420 remember if you remember those pictures very well where they're over there and that was all because

00:28:40.100 the day before and even even the generals were kind of like well we and i said no you you guys did the

00:28:45.800 neo because you saw the taliban right there it wasn't you know for any other reason that they were he was

00:28:51.320 scared and that's why he did it and if it had been done months earlier i mean actually the whole thing

00:28:58.740 should have been done at the beginning per the doha agreement i mean all the liberals say oh well

00:29:04.580 don't forget the doha agreement it's so frustrating and i'm glad this last time we went to um

00:29:10.740 and we heard these senate hearings with uh the two generals you know mccall uh um mckenzie and

00:29:19.500 and miley finally meeks because every time that guy is like well don't forget you know yeah we we

00:29:27.160 we appreciate the service and the sacrifice and and we're not pointing but don't forget

00:29:31.740 who initiated the doha agreement they always have to do that little jab and i'm here to tell you i

00:29:37.700 don't think anyone knows anything about afghanistan better than any of these parents you're right he

00:29:42.600 should have followed the doha agreement that would have been that we wouldn't have had this catastrophe

00:29:46.940 so you show up at the state of the union a couple weeks ago do you plan to yell out your son's name

00:30:01.820 i wouldn't say really planned um i you know we we got the opportunity that there were other tickets

00:30:10.600 other other members had given it to us and um i wouldn't you know i'm sure i had said this of

00:30:19.000 people yeah but uh i'm gonna say something if this guy doesn't say anything but when you're there in

00:30:24.340 the greatest country of the world with the most powerful people i was scared like i was scared

00:30:30.220 you know am i gonna get killed am i gonna commit suicide tomorrow because of this you know who knows

00:30:35.760 right and uh so no at that time i was just in in serious prayer you know i was like praying to

00:30:42.400 the lord you know humble me soften my heart you know let let your will be done you know and to be

00:30:48.180 honest with you when i stood up when i just heard him say something about kids at some point he was

00:30:54.180 talking about kids and then he said something about being safe and i just stood up and i didn't even i

00:30:59.960 didn't even like the holy spirit like god in me and stood up and i don't know if you ever had

00:31:05.080 anything like that happen but like the effects of that had had affected me for weeks afterwards you

00:31:11.900 know like what what really happened there and when i stood up and i said the the first thing i said

00:31:17.740 i kind of realized i had said it and i paused i was like uh-oh what did i do you know and then i said

00:31:24.840 you know united states marines and i said his name and i said you know second battalion first marines

00:31:30.600 but i don't even remember saying any of that like i don't even remember saying any of that you know

00:31:36.080 it just kind of came out and if i could back up to why i had went earlier i was talking about that

00:31:42.060 first state of the union and i got these reporter you know and i felt bad for him and i wanted help

00:31:46.960 and i said all right well look what i'll do is my lunch break i got an hour lunch break on my lunch

00:31:51.840 break i'm gonna watch a state of the union so that i'll be able to answer appropriately for your

00:31:58.240 interview that that you want me to do he's all right so i watched his interview or i watched

00:32:03.300 the state of the union the first one and at like 56 minutes he brings up afghanistan

00:32:08.720 and he did the exact same thing that he always does he says okay you know we're never gonna

00:32:13.900 you know the the heroes that we didn't even say 13 and then one lady in the audience she's like 13 of

00:32:20.540 him i think it was bobbit or bobbit or yes and she said something now and i was i got goosebumps but

00:32:28.620 he then did the same thing he went right into bow he ran right into his son and he said the existential

00:32:34.840 threat to the military is the burning of diesel fuel in pits because that's i think how bow got his

00:32:42.960 cancer and i was just like crying i was so devastated like once i i was for more than the

00:32:50.860 fact that like when this happens like like i said like all these cockroaches come out of the woodworks

00:32:55.980 like every media you know they want you know people i'm selling this oh we love you and this i didn't get

00:33:02.140 involved in any of it but i had seen that this was happening all over yes with a lot of people

00:33:08.080 and um so so a part of me was upset that i had watched this all right so i'm devastated i'm

00:33:18.020 devastated like like this what this president had just done and how he had turned it again i mean

00:33:22.920 can't even say the kids his name if he would have said 13 names at that state of the union we wouldn't

00:33:27.700 even be here right now all right but he didn't and so i call this uh i call this um i call this reporter

00:33:35.380 guy back to tell him you know i'm like i watch it i'm devastated well when i call him back he's like

00:33:40.560 oh hey mr nakui yeah we're not going to do the interview because we got mark schmitz to do it

00:33:45.360 and i was just like wow like in my heart you know here i watched this i didn't want to do it i did it

00:33:54.860 because i wanted to help him because he said we we have to fill in a slot um and none of the other

00:33:59.860 parents can do it then i agree to it i watched this i get affected by it the only the only saving

00:34:06.440 grace i have is like all right i'll get be able to vent something in this interview yes and then the

00:34:11.620 guy's like no we're gonna do it because we have one of the other parents and i was like crying even

00:34:17.180 harder and and so i've had to deal with that for three years with you know my god with my lord

00:34:22.840 um praying you know like hey lord you know

00:34:27.980 humble me from this soften my heart from it you know like whatever so when the opportunity came

00:34:36.580 to go to the state of the union i'll be honest with you

00:34:40.460 there is no way i was going to leave that state of union without my kid's name being said

00:34:47.460 you know and and i feel like and and but at first i thought that they would say something so i felt

00:34:55.260 like it was the lord telling me like here you know your reward for being patient and faithful for three

00:35:00.400 years i'm gonna i'm gonna bless you with this you understand what i'm saying and then it didn't

00:35:05.560 happen you know it's like it didn't happen and i was i was able to see my other the other parents

00:35:12.300 i was i found them in the crowds you know where they were at and just the way that they were looking

00:35:18.220 the despair and the the sadness that they had at that state of the union everyone was slumped over

00:35:24.780 just kind of devastated you know and uh another thing i was like concerned like like the state you

00:35:33.180 would think that the speaker of the house would have the best seats right like all right well these

00:35:37.600 two families are getting the speaker of the house and i was i remember praying the lord like

00:35:42.040 lord you know why don't i have those seats you know why don't i have the best seats i'm thinking

00:35:48.660 i don't know that they are and then mccall gives up one of his seats you know and he's the head of

00:35:53.720 the chairman right so um whoever got that say i'm oh lord why didn't i get that seat you know and

00:36:01.120 that's all right thank you for the seats that you give i don't even know where my seats are but i'm

00:36:04.560 just assuming you know that's how people they do you know we do this we we do our own assumptions

00:36:09.300 as it turns out the seats i got were like right directly like i was watching the president like

00:36:15.920 you know um right in front of him like right where he comes out of that tunnel i was sitting

00:36:23.200 right above there so the lord had given me like the best seats in the whole world and like for the

00:36:28.500 last two weeks i'm like oh lord you didn't give me you know i don't even know what the seats are but

00:36:32.700 i'm assuming that they're the worst and and a lot of this has happened me in in the course of of of

00:36:38.940 this you know by being patient i feel like the lord has blessed me and these these are the little

00:36:43.740 blessings that i need i don't need any praise i don't i don't want to put anything on facebook and

00:36:48.660 then read those comments oh god bless you you're so awesome and um none of that so what happened

00:36:55.040 after so you called out your son's name and said abby gate and then what happened yeah so then um

00:37:02.160 those there was these two young men and they came and kind of grabbed me and uh escorted me up who were

00:37:11.060 they so i guess they were the capital police but they were in like suits so they weren't they weren't

00:37:17.720 dressed in police uniforms or anything like that and you know they escorted me into the hallway

00:37:26.140 and then at that time the guy that was telling you that's been with us from the beginning marlin he

00:37:30.980 came he ran he was sitting at the other side and he ran to me and i wasn't scared until i seen his face

00:37:39.460 um then i was like when i seen him turn the corner like around gallery six and i saw his expression

00:37:49.340 then i was nervous you know i was like oh you know i'm in trouble and uh yeah so they they frisked me

00:37:56.980 uh he tried to say oh release them to me you know release it they're like no you know you're getting

00:38:01.960 them and i had my bible with me but it was locked in one of the things and i had they give you a ticket

00:38:06.880 and i kept telling him hey marlin get my bible get my bible i want him to grab my ticket out of my

00:38:12.160 pocket to go and get my bio but he doesn't he doesn't want to touch me because i'm detained

00:38:17.080 right you being held by the oh yeah they had me back here and and they cuff you not yet they they

00:38:23.940 you know what yeah they cuffed me they cuffed me right there in the hallway and they knew i was a gold

00:38:28.540 star dad too because he had told them he's all hey he's a gold star dad you know and there was a

00:38:34.020 reporter who after she said that after he said that she said sir why did you do what you did

00:38:39.760 and marlin was all please please ma'am you know he's a gold star dad can and told her whatever so

00:38:45.800 they had known at first i thought they didn't know i thought that they i was just you know a guy that

00:38:51.680 talks out but they knew and so then they took me down to the basement and they did how did they treat

00:38:56.620 you i would they're pretty good yeah very nice yeah were you handcuffed as they led you to the

00:39:03.020 basement yeah yeah they handcuffed me so i knew i was going to to jail because they handcuffed me and

00:39:10.960 then they took me downstairs they did an extensive um search and then they had their uh some new kids

00:39:18.980 that had never done searches so they used me to to practice their searches so i got searched by like

00:39:24.400 three different people did anyone explain why you were being handcuffed and arrested

00:39:28.460 in search for saying your son's name no no no that wasn't until i got back to the capitol police

00:39:34.920 but um at the capitol police they asked uh you know they i turned in all my stuff they they take it

00:39:44.080 and um the two the one of the boys that was just in his his his suit was asking me questions like you

00:39:52.280 you know my my name and everything and then afterwards secret service and another guy from

00:39:58.000 capitol police come in and then they read me my miranda rights and asked me if i wanted to talk to

00:40:04.500 him and and let me know that look you know you'll probably be out of here in an hour um it's fifty

00:40:11.320 dollars and you know do you want to talk to us and i said yeah i'll i'll talk to you what do they ask

00:40:17.140 you so he asked me so the one gentleman that wasn't that worked for capitol police asked me why

00:40:22.860 i had done what i did and so i'm crying you know i'm telling them and both of these kids

00:40:28.880 um were service members ex-service members i think he was a soldier and the secret service guy i think

00:40:37.060 he was in the air force and uh so i was telling them you know my story you know like hey this guy's

00:40:44.420 never said my kid's name i lost my kid in afghanistan and you know i'm really emotional you

00:40:49.920 know but that capitol policeman he kept every five minutes he would say kareem would just look at me

00:40:59.780 and say my kid's name and he would tell me i'll never forget you know like every five minutes he

00:41:04.820 would just say this to me and uh to come for you yeah good man yeah i was a great man then

00:41:11.720 you know asked me hey have you gotten any help i'm like no i don't need any help i'm just right

00:41:18.700 now you know i'm feeling this way and then um

00:41:22.460 he had told me that uh he had told me that um

00:41:29.480 well we you know if you say something and then we tell you to be quiet and then you don't then we

00:41:37.280 arrest you again then we arrest you and i said well nobody ever told me to be quiet you know i

00:41:42.840 never i never was afforded that opportunity and then he left and then they asked me more questions

00:41:49.580 the other kid when the suit you know just basic questions um sex weight and stuff like this and

00:41:56.060 then he came back and he said that again and then he said well there's two ways like we can ask you

00:42:01.900 and then ask you again and arrest you or we can just arrest you and he's all you don't want to be

00:42:09.760 that because that's a felony so i felt like he was kind of throwing me a bone you know like and i kind

00:42:15.320 of picked up on that and i was all all right you know i i appreciate that yeah i guess um they did

00:42:21.960 tell me when did they let you go so what happened was was that you know as we're talking and he's

00:42:27.760 telling me this stuff he says the congressman is outside so we i was invited by congressman

00:42:32.720 brian mast and brian mast bailed me out of jail like was there and he's all the congressman's right

00:42:40.860 outside the door and i felt like like a million dollars because i knew like all right i'm all right

00:42:48.640 now you know i mean i've got the congressman you know to help me um and so yeah he he got me out

00:42:56.060 and walked me and had met you know had met him we've met him several times he's there's only you

00:43:03.900 know there's there's four congressmen that i call the four horsemen and they're military men so they

00:43:10.400 understand it's isa mills mast and waltz and then they're all led by um um the the chairman michael

00:43:19.680 mccall so he he's he's the chair of the house of foreign affairs and he's the one that's able to bring

00:43:25.780 these hearings and then these guys are just you know they're the ones that we're telling our stories

00:43:32.020 to and they're helping do whatever they do in washington to get get the message out so the fact

00:43:38.660 that he was there meant a lot to me like like all right you know i'm not so because to be honest with

00:43:45.440 you from what i see on tv you know yeah hey she can't we love you but the next day i'll be on my own

00:43:51.600 this is my i'm thinking you know i'm like yeah i'm gonna be all by myself you know this is great

00:43:55.920 for tonight but come the 28th when i've got to go to court i'm gonna be by myself but the fact that he

00:44:03.280 was there and you know he's a man of god and we prayed before i don't know if we prayed before but

00:44:10.920 we talked about like what we're talking about in our in our the the spiritual you know road that

00:44:20.180 that i've taken with my son and uh it was i was just really blessed that he was there and he got

00:44:28.380 me out and then when i got out um you know isa waltz all of them we're not gonna let anything happen

00:44:35.740 you you know we're gonna stand by and even they telling me this i still felt like oh a week from

00:44:41.880 now i'm gonna be by myself you know i never really had any you know true belief like hey these guys are

00:44:49.040 gonna be here till the end but they were i mean every couple days they would they would do what

00:44:53.760 they have to do and and from what i understand um they found out that because their gavel wasn't hit

00:45:00.100 that i didn't i didn't obstruct congress so the fact that and mike johnson helped that so ken calvert

00:45:07.280 mike johnson um waltz and um they're all isa and to some extent mast and mills they you know

00:45:15.720 helped to get this out like hey he didn't he didn't obstruct anything because the gavel wasn't hit

00:45:20.740 what's your life been like at home since your son died yeah so yeah the my personal life has been

00:45:36.060 very bad it's better now but you know at the beginning when this first happened was was just

00:45:45.360 devastating i didn't really have a home where i could recuperate from this you know my son and i

00:45:53.280 you know kareem's real best friend was his little brother steven and he was like 15 when this happened

00:45:58.880 and uh so i just said focus i'm focusing on him like you know he's and he's so strong and so brave

00:46:06.820 you know he's uh he was 15 when his brother was killed he's 15 and they were best friends and um

00:46:14.960 man he's a rock you know you know kareem was a uh brazilian jiu-jitsu champion steven is one

00:46:22.400 uh they they wanted to be in mma and fighting so they're not they're not um they're not weak in that

00:46:33.060 aspect but you know they're very compassionate to the underdog they're very quiet um you know kareem

00:46:41.040 was a little guy growing up so he sometimes would be bullied and that that was one of my concern when

00:46:47.580 he started to learn how to fight you know i was like hey you know i don't ever want to hear that

00:46:53.380 you're bullying anyone or you're doing any of this and and luckily that never happened you know um

00:46:58.980 he was always compassionate to the underdog and and and the people that couldn't speak for themselves

00:47:05.400 so you know our home life was just it was just chaotic for the first year and but but i think maybe

00:47:16.940 the lord had that happen to keep me from

00:47:20.840 ruining myself to understand what i'm saying like all that probably happened just so i wouldn't

00:47:30.480 ruin whatever you know i just i just went in my room and and just focused on the little things you

00:47:38.400 know my son and and whatever i could and because there's a there's a lot of oh we want to do this

00:47:45.320 for your kid and we want this interview and and this and that and for me to mitigate like how could

00:47:54.000 how could these parents not like feel some sort of like pride or something after all this right

00:47:59.960 and i remember telling my kids look you know be careful how you deal with this because it won't

00:48:06.360 always be there and then you're going to resent the fact that it's not there that's right and don't

00:48:10.980 forget there's tens of thousands of service members who died that don't have you know

00:48:16.740 shootery boards at their front doorstep with a knock i mean there it was just insane stuff at your

00:48:22.940 front door cards we love you money um checks you understand and and every check every cash ever got

00:48:31.140 i still have it so i never spent any of that and i and every card that we got i not probably every one

00:48:37.940 of them because it was just too much but i wrote you know back to them i remember telling my kids hey

00:48:45.220 you know watch out how you how you process this and what you do with it because um it's gonna ruin you

00:48:53.200 in your faith um another thing um that that two other things today is our anniversary where my sons and

00:49:02.320 i got uh baptized we got baptized on uh march 26 2017 and we got baptized together in the same pool

00:49:14.680 and uh in the year so the other thing is is that like when you lose someone like when i lost my mom i

00:49:23.200 lost my dad within a week like if they died on a thursday next thursday you'd bury them and and that was

00:49:28.460 it you know i mean you start trying to put your life together and this situation didn't really

00:49:35.040 happen i mean it was like five weeks they brought back his body and you know things come up certain

00:49:43.500 little things would come up like i know that they had the uh um and when these things come up you kind

00:49:50.400 of focus towards that so you repress your feelings and everything for this one event right and you're like

00:49:56.400 okay well this event's coming up and i'm gonna i'm focusing on that and one of the events we had

00:50:02.180 in november was the um the memorial at camp pendleton now since he was he lived we live like 45 minutes

00:50:11.460 from camp pendleton he came home every weekend so the only time i never seen him was when he actually

00:50:16.560 deployed you know and he'd bring his marine friends home with them and i felt bad because some of them

00:50:22.740 lived in iowa there was no way they could see their family so if we could give them a weekend

00:50:27.660 where they felt at home then i was all for that you know it was kind of like around covid so we were

00:50:35.520 cooking breakfast and couldn't really go to church and i had the uh sometimes i'd have the tv on uh with

00:50:44.380 our preacher our pastor and they'd play games and they'd do whatever you know and my son would take

00:50:52.700 them on hikes and they would drink on fridays you know whatever they however they had their own mind

00:50:59.480 you know they were able to do it at our house and i was i was blessed that that we could provide that

00:51:05.100 for them and so we had this memorial for the marines right and um you know i never did any interviews

00:51:12.580 or anything i didn't want to be i didn't that wasn't right for me and um so i focused all my

00:51:21.480 heart towards this memorial which was in november and surpassed all my feelings and everything and

00:51:27.580 and well i'm just going to focus on on that part and we went to the memorial and it was beautiful and

00:51:32.860 they had the missing man formation with the helicopters that went over the the mountain where

00:51:38.840 he would hike over there in camp pendleton and then and that i think that was either on a thursday or

00:51:44.100 friday and then on that sunday i just i felt like a lot of remorse i felt like grief you know and for

00:51:54.260 me but my religion which is christian isn't you know for me to i felt like for me to display

00:52:03.160 grief is me saying i don't believe in the lord you know is that weird i don't know and

00:52:11.960 so i'd never really just had any grief i'd never had any sorrow except for that day i remember i was

00:52:20.740 in my master bedroom and it was the sunday and there was nothing else to look look forward to there

00:52:27.500 was no other event that was the last event and i remember just like

00:52:33.020 feeling you know immense grief sorrow and i was like lord why and i'm looking out at the mountains

00:52:41.880 that he would put weights in his rucksack and hike and i was like lord you know why do i have this

00:52:48.760 feeling you know why do i have this why why am i feeling this way and then he said hey the holy

00:52:55.120 spirit or the lord told me hey look at the day that you went to harvest festival so harvest festival

00:53:02.300 so we gave our lives to jesus christ together all right in this place and in in angel stadium

00:53:08.180 um by a fellow named uh greg lorry who does the same thing that um um i forgot his name but

00:53:18.980 evangelical in the 70s billy graham billy graham would do the same thing so they'd go to these

00:53:25.280 stadiums they'd preach the gospel and you had an opportunity to give your life to jesus christ there

00:53:30.560 and a lot of people did this and in billy graham's um things he's doing the same thing he's been doing

00:53:36.040 it for like 20 years so if i could just go back in like 2015 i realized that my kids didn't have the

00:53:44.260 same faith like like i did you know like yeah i said you need to be christian and once in a while

00:53:50.160 i would say but i didn't lead and i didn't tell them about so my kids were already older you know

00:53:56.900 so i didn't have a i didn't have an opportunity to indoctrinate them when they were younger these are

00:54:01.040 teenage boys and i was praying you know lord please you know i failed you know give me an opportunity

00:54:07.400 and he did you know uh kareem started asking about a church and like um in 2015 we started going

00:54:15.700 and i knew that i could tell them hey you got to do this but they i had to change you know i had to

00:54:22.320 make an a concerted effort to make a change and be sincere with the faith so that they would follow

00:54:29.960 because i can't just tell them something you know i have to lead by example and so that transformation

00:54:34.980 happened it took a year or something and the the pastor was like hey you know um they're you know

00:54:42.360 greg lori is having this thing down there and we we encourage everyone to go so i'm thinking lord this

00:54:49.300 is our opportunity thank you you know and they're that we're going to church every weekend me and my

00:54:54.000 sons every sunday and we're working through i'm working through the different things and and being

00:55:00.220 real with them you know ties you know how do you deal with ties right like at first i was like i'm

00:55:06.340 not giving them any money you know and and uh my pastor had said something at the time he's all like

00:55:12.860 well do you guys like in this weeks later he had said well do you guys like air conditioning and that

00:55:17.620 just i realized like my ties are for the air conditioning and it made me so i made a point to

00:55:23.720 yeah i talked bad about the ties before i'm gonna make a point to show my kids that look i've i've

00:55:30.520 changed i realized and we're gonna start giving ties so the boys i would give them their money so that

00:55:35.940 they would know to give ties so every sunday we would be given our ties and that's just an example

00:55:40.980 of how we work through some of the obstacles in our faith you know and and we're real about it you

00:55:47.320 know we weren't just saying it we were acting upon it and um so we went to gray glories and we all gave

00:55:57.460 our lives to jesus christ you know steven shiler steven uh kareem me and shanna we all gave our lives

00:56:05.300 to jesus and um and i felt blessed you know i was like wow like this doesn't happen you know i mean

00:56:12.940 who gets this opportunity i failed and then but i prayed for a solid year you know please lord please

00:56:20.000 and just such a blessing and then from that blessing you know we were we always went to church you know

00:56:26.420 it was it was became part of our background and me telling and preaching to the boys you know

00:56:32.460 you know about the gospel as well as our our pastor and then fast forward to that time when i was right

00:56:39.920 right after the um right after the camp pendleton memorial the lord and i'm looking out in the

00:56:49.220 backyard and i'm feeling grief and i'm just feeling horrible you know the first time in like eight

00:56:54.020 months or whatever and i'm like why do i feel this way you know i i you know and the lord said hey steve

00:57:01.380 look at when you went to harvest that's the that's what it's called and we only went on fridays

00:57:08.800 because uh sunday would be people wouldn't go to church so they'd go saturday same thing but friday

00:57:16.820 would be after work so i just knew like hey we we went to the first time we went was on friday and then

00:57:21.380 every other time we went on fridays so i knew that it was on a friday and i googled you know when was

00:57:28.020 when was the harvest festival and it was august 26 of 2017 which is five years to the day

00:57:38.520 and like i got goosebumps and like all my grief went away and it just let me know that the lord

00:57:45.800 had planned this for me and and that was verification you know that on august 26 2016

00:57:54.720 we gave our lives to jesus christ and on august 26 2021 he took my son

00:58:01.820 and that was uh that's pretty powerful you know to let me know you know and that was just for me

00:58:10.820 like we had done some events where you know they had honored and greg lorry had done um

00:58:17.080 that year had done his harvest festival and honored my son and he only had one that year was october

00:58:23.460 third or fifth because of covid and they had done a big page thing and they honored my son

00:58:29.460 and uh um and he didn't know this otherwise he would have been all over it you know everybody

00:58:34.560 would have been all over that uh i would assume but that was just for me that was just for me you know

00:58:41.060 that the lord told me that like to let me know that you just gotta show up you just gotta show up

00:58:48.900 and i'll take care of everything else

00:58:50.360 i appreciate you taking all this time thank you i know it's hard but i appreciate you thank you thank

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The Tucker Carlson Show - March 27, 2024

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