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00:00:13.940 clayton morris ladies and gentlemen we worked together at fox news you were there 10 years

00:00:19.300 uh you've since gone on to be a lot more successful than either one of us that was at fox

00:00:25.520 and i think a lot happier and congratulations no one gets out of it alive except you

00:00:29.780 uh and me yeah no it's it's it's great to beat the odds we both did um but is it weird to look

00:00:38.380 at your former employer you spent a decade working for them and see them as like a prime driver

00:00:46.340 for war it's not weird when if you look at history right to me when i started watching over the past

00:00:57.840 few weeks uh this drumbeat for war i started seeing it's almost like they went to their shelf

00:01:04.980 and they grabbed their book their manual they got it off they dusted it off like what did we do

00:01:10.840 back in 2002 what have we done before that successfully worked and pushed people an entire

00:01:17.760 populace along with cnn and msnbc towards war they flipped open the pages they you know they skipped

00:01:25.740 pat they they skipped the preamble because they already knew you know what what to do and they

00:01:30.840 started lining up every show with the same rhetoric they started putting up the the tvs where they would

00:01:37.480 stand and get up with their big pencils and their fingers on the board here's where they're going to

00:01:42.160 these are the bases almost giving like telegraphing military moves it's from the same playbook so it's

00:01:48.500 not stunning that's called news coverage clayton that's news right i is reporting the news

00:01:54.300 where is the journalism i i don't understand it uh but it is particularly this weekend it be i i

00:02:22.920 became enraged this weekend i'm not i'm not one to get enraged unless like my kids leave their shoes

00:02:27.900 in the kitchen or one of my eight-year-old steals my phone charger like that's when i fly into a rage

00:02:32.680 i don't even get road rage like i'm a pretty even-keeled person very even-keeled i can confirm

00:02:37.140 that things could be happening all around me and i you know i just i kind of you know float along

00:02:41.360 i got enraged this weekend um watching this coverage and almost breathlessly as soon as there

00:02:47.780 was this announcement that that trump had authorized this bombing of these nuclear sites

00:02:52.180 it was it was almost as if like the host on these shows were like grabbing an american flag

00:02:57.900 and anyone who opposed this was unpatriotic and this was the most spectacular amazing american moment

00:03:04.400 in history he'll go down like reagan and thatcher you know attempting to bring down communism

00:03:11.780 everyone tried to do this for decades trump is the only one that could do it i just you know uh one of

00:03:18.160 the hosts i just got off the phone with trump a few minutes ago and he said their entire nuclear

00:03:22.100 program has been decimated it's done and i just couldn't believe what i was seeing um

00:03:27.220 the people didn't vote for this no and to see these networks pushing this coverage and it's not you know

00:03:37.380 just fox it's cnn it's msnbc and they're all right back to their playbook because it's so incredibly

00:03:42.800 profitable i mean just like follow the money on all of this so if we wind i mean contextually here

00:03:48.840 i don't know how you know much of your audience is aware of like what happened in 2002 2003

00:03:53.180 we were sort of in that world at the time you much more than me at that time but i was part of the

00:04:00.080 propaganda effort yeah and you were it was it were you at msnbc i was at uh seen on the most trusted

00:04:05.860 name of news this is cnn this is cnn yeah so and you can't the american media was all in lockstep

00:04:15.360 and you know that there were almost no dissenting voices allowed on the network news let me repeat

00:04:22.280 that there were almost no dissenting voices allowed on those shows across the board msnbc we learned

00:04:30.880 had a two-for-one booking uh official booking plan that meant two pro-war voices for every one

00:04:42.740 anti-war voice but across the board i mean shows so that they actually were explicit about that yeah

00:04:49.760 i mean producers who worked for for instance i'm getting ahead of myself here because i'm just so

00:04:54.340 it's all right it's all right i mean people this is not a debate over the next budget agreement this

00:05:01.640 is not a debate even over you know boys and girls sports this is a debate over the future of the

00:05:06.980 world and millions people could die that's not a crazy uh concern and so yeah this really matters i

00:05:15.560 think it's fair to be worked up about i'm just trying to be level-headed as much as i can be so i'm

00:05:21.220 just going to look at the i just want to talk about the facts here because i've looked i was i studied

00:05:25.180 this very very closely at the time i was infuriated by the at it by the time when george w bush would get

00:05:31.080 up there and tell us you know why they attack you know it's because they hate why they hate us it's

00:05:35.960 because they hate our freedoms i mean my bullshit meter when as soon as he said those words i just

00:05:41.840 wanted to scream at the television back then they don't hate us because of our freedoms that's just

00:05:47.120 garbage what what why aren't they going why aren't they attacking norway i went on cnn well i repeated

00:05:52.840 that as well uh for sure and i kind of believed it and then i went over to the region right after 9-11

00:05:59.000 and then a year later i made the mistake of reading osama bin laden's manifesto

00:06:05.020 on cnn not an endorsement of osama bin laden obviously right but it's news well i just think it's

00:06:11.860 important to know why people do things you can disagree completely but i think it's

00:06:15.620 important to be honest about other people's motives and so i read this and maybe it's all

00:06:20.180 made up or whatever but can you trust osama bin laden no but i think do i like osama bin laden no

00:06:26.880 obviously but i'm an american but i think it's important to know why at least what he said about

00:06:33.680 why he did it and the two reasons there are a number of reasons but the two big ones where you've

00:06:39.260 got u.s forces on the saudi peninsula to holy most holy cities in islam mecca medina like that's

00:06:47.440 offensive to me in his backyard yeah well right he's saudi but also it's just like symbolically

00:06:53.820 offensive i get it i don't agree but it's important to know that and by the way the u.s military moved

00:06:59.700 its base out of saudi arabia after that so like they took it seriously okay it's you know

00:07:05.520 unnecessarily provocative and the second reason was you're in critical support of israel

00:07:09.620 so i read this on the air at cna whoa whoa shouldn't have done that i was immediately

00:07:15.480 denounced as an anti-semite what okay like you're reading osama bin laden's words and you are an

00:07:21.700 anti-semite yeah i mean i got completely slammed by some group i can't remember the name of it

00:07:27.540 um i was shocked by it and but i i'm not endorsing osama bin laden right i despise osama bin laden he

00:07:35.200 murdered three million americans or three thousand americans so whatever you were not allowed to

00:07:41.840 deviate from the talking points i mean i experienced that right like for real no you're not and you had

00:07:47.640 to just nod along and be like oh okay i mean if you think about how ridiculous that is you know i had

00:07:51.960 to read mein kampf in college right we still read hitler's words to understand well yeah the move

00:07:58.140 towards a final solution understanding bloodline all of that it's written in his own book so you

00:08:02.720 can understand where he got to with this it's important to understand yeah historically i agree

00:08:08.540 i don't endorse hitler i don't think so by the way i'm i'm with you on that clayton glad we agree on

00:08:15.360 that we do by the way i read that book in my history of the holocaust class

00:08:19.420 you know who was taught i had a jewish professor at the university of pittsburgh it was an incredible

00:08:25.700 class but it's crazy to think the country's become so irrational partly because of training from cable

00:08:30.940 news yeah that knowing something is considered the same as endorsing it right and what it really is is

00:08:37.820 an attempt to control your mind to control what you believe by limiting your access to information

00:08:43.620 that's really what it is also what i find so offensive about at least cable news now is maybe it's

00:08:49.140 always been this way i think it probably has but it's uh incurious we can't ask yes we can't ask

00:08:56.860 questions and if you ask questions that's an endorsement of that position so like we hit these

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00:11:35.480 at fox oh you were not fired from for just for the record yeah this is all available online but

00:11:40.340 people don't know your backstory you were not fired from fox you're one of the only people i ever met

00:11:45.720 who left voluntarily yeah so yeah true true i was there for 10 years they were great to me i loved you

00:11:51.520 know the people were fantastic to me but it was time to not wake up at three in the morning and

00:11:55.700 do that show anymore uh i was tired of like personal attacks and you know all of that and uh i didn't get

00:12:02.360 to see my kids on the weekend and i was done so and i said you know what i'm i'm moving on from this

00:12:08.400 and i had been in morning television for like 20 years you know how miserable that is yes that people

00:12:12.980 get cancer regularly i mean this is a fact uh you work the night shift like that you like you pretty much

00:12:20.140 can bank on getting like cancer you know it's like i just got fat um yeah no i mean it's it's

00:12:27.020 incredibly hard physically yeah everything about it is hardest job i ever had so i i get it but you

00:12:32.100 didn't leave um they didn't force you to leave no you left on the terms you just described they were

00:12:39.040 nice to me i want to go do something else that that never happens i just want people to have that

00:12:43.600 no they were great to me thank you i and uh i i said i'm gonna you know leave this and then they

00:12:48.220 they were actually i said well what if we gave you your own show you know and i said no i appreciate

00:12:52.980 that but thank you you know and uh they were but they were great they were great and we parted ways

00:12:58.060 on great terms and and that was it so you know and i felt like while i was there i was i was able

00:13:05.320 to i would get sky i think i would get side eyes from people but when i would question like the

00:13:10.620 military industrial complex like i'm sorry like why are we spending at this at the time was like

00:13:14.800 600 billion dollars a year on a military industrial complex budget and all of these like

00:13:21.040 a boeing northrop grumman they build factories in everyone's backyard so all the members of the house

00:13:25.540 of representatives every member of the senate has like oh i've got boeing in my backyard oh that's

00:13:30.000 that's interesting because that's intentional that there's all of these military production

00:13:34.480 facilities in your backyard so it's always in your backyard and i just became furious about

00:13:40.640 i've always been furious about that i've always had a problem with that and so occasionally i would

00:13:45.160 ask those questions of guests on the show and i could tell like it was not a favorable question to

00:13:49.780 be asking about the military industrial didn't like it yeah you you know you knew and you knew

00:13:55.340 there's a there's a lot of unsaid things right so i don't exactly you know i don't know where it

00:14:03.480 comes from maybe the top i don't know i worked the morning so i was kind of in and out of there and i

00:14:07.320 didn't really have like a lot of interaction with like suits you know i wasn't one of those types of

00:14:12.080 people but you knew that when you were given sort of like this is what we're covering on the show

00:14:16.620 today i don't see anything on here about 800 billion dollars like in a defense budget or i don't see

00:14:24.580 anything in here on our show we've got a four-hour show but we can't ask questions about did we

00:14:31.320 actually hit nuclear weapons or did we actually hit is there anything in fordo when we hit it

00:14:37.620 i don't see it you know i don't see any of that in here so you knew what sort of the agenda would

00:14:43.560 be for the day did you ever know but no one ever told me what to say you know i just want to be

00:14:48.820 clear right but it's it's like you show up i'm being disingenuous because i had the same job that

00:14:53.480 you had so i know the answer to this question but it's just people may not understand how this works

00:14:56.940 so you show up and like everything's prepared for you yeah so it's not a matter of telling you what

00:15:03.680 to say or what not to say it's all kind of written down you're you're guided in a certain direction

00:15:08.080 just right did you ever figure out who was making those decisions i didn't no did you because again

00:15:15.860 i was a i considered myself i never really got along with like the suits types you know i get

00:15:26.180 uncomfortable i think in that environment you know if i have to wear a suit i cannot wait to

00:15:31.040 take it off you know so i i don't know those people um i don't have dinner with those people

00:15:37.460 if i have to see them occasionally to kind of talk about something it's incredibly uncomfortable for me

00:15:43.180 so no um but so i don't have the answer to that i could assume but maybe you have a better

00:15:50.660 claire yeah no no i know where they come it comes from the family that owns it um for sure

00:15:55.400 i mean i watched it i did have dinner suits a lot yeah well you knew that world so much better

00:16:02.640 i come from a suit world yeah yeah but uh yeah no the murdochs made those decisions who i really

00:16:08.760 like to this day i like the murdochs but not against the murdochs but it's just a fact that they did

00:16:13.820 do that and and uh and they overruled their people on questions of war i remember i think

00:16:22.020 it was 2000 i'm pretty sure it's 2012 roger rails was running and wonderful man wonderful man flawed

00:16:28.280 guy but wonderful uh i really liked him and admired him um personally others disagree but i still feel

00:16:36.700 it but anyway he had this guy called uh andrew napolitano judge knapp did you ever run into him yeah

00:16:43.180 yeah what a nice guy just a really nice guy like everyone liked yeah he was great i still really

00:16:48.300 like him a lot but anyway he had this show i think it was called judging freedom maybe yeah and he's

00:16:53.000 more of a libertarian i would say exactly he was hired as a libertarian well he's a strict libertarian

00:16:57.160 he's an absolute constitutional like stay out of other countries 100 he's yeah he's kind of a more

00:17:03.100 area erudite thomas massey yeah the same basic politics not a hater at all just a nice man but

00:17:10.520 anyway he made some anti-war noises on his show and and basically said you know why are we supporting

00:17:18.020 all these other countries like why are we doing this whoa he lost his show over it and a bunch of

00:17:23.780 people came to roger ales i remember i talked to him about it at the time and demanded that he fire

00:17:30.400 judge napolitano over this wow and uh and ultimately they just stripped him of his show but kept him

00:17:36.820 around as a contributor for another four or five years as i remember i may be getting some of the

00:17:41.800 details wrong but i but that's basically what happened they took a show away i always wondered

00:17:45.300 what happened oh my gosh he was like i i loved watching that show oh it was great like it was

00:17:50.440 interesting too he's really smart oh man they and i remember thinking oh that's the red line

00:17:56.440 they don't care if you get up there and you're like i think you know whatever some controversial

00:18:01.720 racial opinion or you know they'd be like ah that's a little hot maybe not don't go there

00:18:07.120 you express you know an opinion about our foreign policy that they don't like we're done now like

00:18:13.040 they are totally serious about that well you knew roger ales used to watch our show religiously on

00:18:18.060 the weekend because he was home and the joke was well if you own a network or you run a network what

00:18:22.440 do you do on the weekend once you wake up and have coffee you watch your shows you know so we he

00:18:26.240 it was a joke that he would watch our fox and friends weekend show more than just about any other

00:18:31.060 show on the network because it was saturday morning he was waking up with coffee so he would call into

00:18:35.060 the booth all the all the time you know about a graphic being wrong he was very very cautious uh

00:18:41.080 but no one ever told me what to say or anything there was one time where i criticized mark zuckerberg

00:18:45.780 and i called him a scumbag on the air like fair and i got a talking to about that like we don't use

00:18:52.060 the term scumbag and i was like oh i'm from philly i thought that was like that's kind of like

00:18:55.760 that's how you talk you know i'm sorry no we have moms and with their children when you use

00:19:00.760 the word scumbag i'm like okay got it i'll i'll refrain from calling zuckerberg a scumbag

00:19:04.680 but um i mean it makes sense to me i i never hit that red line in that way because as you pointed

00:19:12.580 out you're being guided a certain way so all of the segments for those of your viewers that don't

00:19:17.640 understand like you know you have a card you'd have like a packet you know of maybe like 10 articles

00:19:23.380 regarding the segment you're about to do and every segment's like four minutes long

00:19:27.200 so you and i can talk for two hours every segment is like four minutes long then you've got a

00:19:35.180 commercial break and you might have two guests during that time so you're maybe it's a debate

00:19:40.840 can you really have a debate in four minutes no so you have a debate and always the other person's

00:19:46.880 always sort of set up for failure to begin with anyway but and you're sort of guided in what

00:19:52.180 their what their positions are you know that john smith he he believes this and you know sarah

00:19:59.120 whatever knows that believes this and you kind of go from there if you deviate from that that's when

00:20:05.300 you know you have problems so that's you're you're guided through the whole day like that and that's why

00:20:10.380 this weekend when we were watching this coverage i was not surprised as they would sort of hand off

00:20:14.720 coverage from show to show to show to show it's all the same trump all the same trump did the most

00:20:21.180 amazing thing ever he carried out he he you know he destroyed iran's nuclear infrastructure

00:20:26.080 this is amazing oh and by the way if you're anti if you're anti this attack on iran that's the new

00:20:35.100 message now then you're unpatriotic well you're pro iran you're pro iran you're pro iran you're pro iran

00:20:41.120 you were never maga you are you're yeah you're pro islamic terror you're a bigot what's it just

00:20:50.140 reminds me so much of black lives matter in 2020 oh yeah we're on the other side of course i certainly

00:20:55.780 was and fox was generally they don't want to talk about it they were kind of pro black lives matter

00:21:02.320 actually if i'm being totally honest but i was completely opposed to it from day one just because

00:21:06.760 i thought it was irrational and destructive um and stupid but it's the same impulse it's like

00:21:14.900 this hysteria sweeps over america fanned by the media fox being a big part of that the biggest media

00:21:23.420 and um anyone who disagrees is just written off as a hater like they go right to motive oh you must be

00:21:30.920 taking money from a foreign power you must hate this or that group there's no like even attempt

00:21:36.740 to engage with what you're saying it's like they just write you off just like it's it's the same as

00:21:43.060 shut up racist right you can't ask questions about black lives matter being a corrupt organization

00:21:49.000 stealing money which is a fact you know you'd be you're a racist how dare you ask that question

00:21:54.080 it's black lives matter we literally paint black lives matter on intersections like how dare you

00:21:58.780 i know talk about the the folks that are running it are actually stealing money it's a corrupt

00:22:02.780 organization you can't you can't bring that up we're sorry to say it but this is not a very safe

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00:25:00.220 is anyone who asks questions or disagrees is woke now have you noticed this the woke right

00:25:04.980 so you're like i'm not sure that we should have a war with iran right now and like it seemed like

00:25:13.260 there were a lot of problems here and like people i know are dying of drug ods shut up racist you're woke

00:25:18.900 it's like wait what or people who are clearly working on behalf of a foreign country accuse you of

00:25:25.180 working on behalf of a foreign country it's so amazing because well so many of these were former left

00:25:30.800 wing oh yeah that's the thing right so these neocons let's be honest right there they were left

00:25:36.440 wing oh yeah so they have now taken the moral high ground to tell me that i'm i'm part of the woke

00:25:44.200 right because i don't want us to intervene in a foreign so i guess george by that measure then george

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00:26:00.380 engaging in identity politics it's identity politics what matters most is your identity

00:26:04.940 right ethnic religious whatever racial the people who are using the term woke right

00:26:11.400 are practicing like the most vicious kind of identity politics i've ever seen it makes the

00:26:16.420 the black lives matter people seem like amateurs which they are of course i mean this is serious

00:26:22.420 identity politics like you disagree you're a nazi right like what's that but identity politics

00:26:28.000 well and it's also being described as like insidious like you're not aware that you're

00:26:32.580 anti-semitic you're so anti-semitic now like tucker i don't know if you know just the way that you dress

00:26:38.040 today is now anti-semitic or just it's unconscious bias right i mean i literally heard just hear this

00:26:43.840 five years ago from the left and now we hear bias you know you're racist without knowing it you don't

00:26:48.300 need to have to be aware of your bad attitudes you just exude them we heard this five years ago from the

00:26:54.460 left and literally driving here i heard it on glenn beck's radio show glenn beck said the exact same

00:27:01.060 thing and i like glenn beck oh i love glenn he's an amazing he's a but he said most people now it's

00:27:06.560 a sort of a soft i don't know his exact wording glenn don't be mad at me but it was like he'll admit

00:27:11.120 it that we're now because it's it's like an insidious we'd be it's like a sort of soft anti-semitism

00:27:17.440 that people are now they just without really consciously being aware of it they've become anti-semitic

00:27:22.940 so it's it's it's the same thing it's uh it's exactly we're gonna we're gonna need to be

00:27:30.300 deprogrammed but we've been so heavily programmed by the mainstream media with wall-to-wall coverage

00:27:36.720 you're not getting any perspective from from the middle east you're not getting any perspective

00:27:42.500 from iran you're not getting any perspective from that side of it no all of the guests that you'll have

00:27:47.920 on television are all pro-israel they're and this is right out of that same playbook from 2002 so

00:27:54.540 like if you look at the data on this i find this fascinating and again this is where i'm trying not

00:27:58.880 to be emotional but i'm trying to just like look at the data after 2002 and i came at this from like a

00:28:05.780 personal perspective and not to talk about me but like my my brother was in the first gulf war

00:28:10.480 and he went in with the navy seals um before anyone else he was in baghdad so he was there

00:28:17.260 basically directing tomahawk missile attacks at himself you know he could flying right over his

00:28:22.960 head essentially using baghdad yeah so we would send like care packages and things like that but

00:28:28.700 of course we were all told at the time tie a yellow ribbon around your tree you remember the the black

00:28:33.720 and white images of of wolf blitzer with a little helmet on you know talking about how great this

00:28:41.080 was to you know to to stop uh to to stop saddam hussein so we watched all that happen i forget how

00:28:48.600 long that lasted was like 11 months or something like that i forget yes ish so then 2002 rolls around

00:28:55.540 and here we go again and now the playbook was set is your brother out by this point uh no he wasn't

00:29:02.500 out at this point he was still in he was still in in the navy but he didn't have to deal with this

00:29:07.740 part of it so more of like a a land lover i guess you know at that at that point um uh but then he was

00:29:15.280 in afghanistan so he's had a long history of like having to deal with this but so i saw if you looked

00:29:21.940 at the media analysis at the time like 2002 into 2003 like we're attacked on september 11th i maintain

00:29:29.000 a massive false flag operation but you do you you know but i i absolutely absolutely believe it was

00:29:35.080 a catalyst to get us into these forever wars shut up don't ask questions about it you'll be painted as

00:29:40.480 uh you know a truther whatever yeah we can't declassify those documents yeah so whatever uh

00:29:47.520 whose country is this by the way i was under the impression it was partly mine i thought it was a

00:29:52.640 shareholder here born here i'm a citizen why don't i have the right to know i don't understand i know

00:29:58.060 someone who died on 9-11 i spent years of my life responding to it professionally

00:30:02.360 so did other members of my family and i don't have a right to see the documents because tell me

00:30:08.760 tell me how that works well you know william randolph hearst made us sure that we couldn't

00:30:14.220 know the truth i mean we want to go back even further into history with the media narratives being

00:30:20.260 how everything is being framed i mean we look at remember the main the reason we went to war

00:30:24.460 with spain you know front pages of the hearst papers the new york journal at the time i think

00:30:30.460 journal american yeah so the playbook was set and after after 9-11 these networks all of the major

00:30:40.920 news networks started the drumbeat for war cbs nbc abc and pbs news they started their nightly newscasts

00:30:49.740 every night would have guests just about they were all pro-war go take out saddam hussein

00:30:55.280 i think when they did the analysis the fair the fair report at the time looked at just the nightly

00:31:01.720 newscasts 393 of their guests out of those three of them just three of them were anti-war

00:31:10.700 and like moderately anti-war not like one like not like you or me on there right like yeah maybe we

00:31:16.640 should only three of them and that was just the nightly newscasts like the the shows that most

00:31:21.360 people don't even watch anyway you know the 6 30 nightly newscasts the tom brokaw era but then

00:31:27.700 then colin powell you know goes before congress and he holds up that fake anthrax vial and pushes us

00:31:37.080 to war in iraq and says that he has mobile biological weapons labs we can't really find them so they're

00:31:43.640 mobile we got to go in there it's a threat to the region of course it's a threat to israel

00:31:47.400 the network the the cable news channels then that was when they did the really exhaustive

00:31:53.520 study of the cable news channels and i found this fascinating that i think it was like 1600

00:31:58.660 i might be off by like a few but it's like 1600 guests they analyzed during that time after colin

00:32:05.320 powell sat before congress and essentially lied on i think unknowingly lied that this was a threat

00:32:12.360 1600 of the guests there were uh it was like 67 percent of the guests were pro-war

00:32:20.020 on across cnn msnbc fox news all of the networks all of the networks uh the brit hume show on fox

00:32:30.220 um the wolf blitzer show on cnn almost overwhelmingly all pro-war msnbc at the time

00:32:38.740 then fired phil donahue canceled his show because he was very much in the judge napolitano like maybe

00:32:45.860 we shouldn't be going on war so msnbc fired him canceled his show and replaced it with a show called

00:32:51.820 countdown iraq come on countdown iraq so they fire phil donahue who was vehemently anti-war and he was

00:33:00.960 asking questions about this why are we doing this why should we be doing this this seems like

00:33:06.840 it's a boondoggle it's a lie maybe we should be questioning this allowing the weapons inspectors

00:33:11.080 to do this oh and by the way at the time when all of the the networks were pushing this narrative

00:33:16.320 they did a study and 61 percent of americans supported delaying any kind of attack

00:33:24.000 let the weapons inspectors do their jobs like we don't want to go to war so six even with all of

00:33:29.880 that propaganda that was being pushed by these networks 61 of americans still said no we shouldn't

00:33:34.560 involve ourselves in this which by the way i think if you looked at those numbers would be very similar

00:33:38.400 to like what trump got in this last election with like do we support probably way higher you probably

00:33:43.300 know these numbers better than i do like what percentage of americans right now want us to be

00:33:47.780 involved in these forever wars oh and by the way you're not allowed to say forever wars anymore

00:33:51.440 because now you're if you say that you're unpatriotic you're you're part of like the thomas

00:33:57.040 massey you know uh isolationists if you say forever wars he's unpatriotic now apparently that's what

00:34:05.040 he's being called unpatriotic because on fox uh well on truth social i mean i think we've seen

00:34:11.980 that he's anti-american imagine i think trump just called him that he's unpatriotic and anti-american

00:34:17.120 i know thomas massey well i mean you don't have to agree with thomas massey on anything but to call

00:34:22.420 him unpatriotic is really um shocking right so again by that measure so who is thomas massey

00:34:29.020 thomas massey is ideological but more than that he's like a gentle man he's a very decent man personally

00:34:35.360 he believes in self-restraint he believes in self-reliance he built his own off-grid house

00:34:40.140 um he lives in the community he's from knows everybody uh his rise in politics was totally

00:34:47.780 organic he didn't you know wasn't the young leaders program at davos he he's like the most

00:34:54.460 american person married his high school girlfriend passed unfortunately has great kids who love him

00:35:00.080 i can't imagine a more american man than thomas massey you can totally disagree with thomas massey

00:35:04.660 you know you think his ideas are dumb or whatever it's fine of course but to impugn his character

00:35:09.720 is so disgusting to me yeah i feel the same way and uh you know i i i have that makes me because i

00:35:17.500 know thomas massey i don't agree with everything thomas massey says i don't agree with anything

00:35:21.460 anyone everything anyone says but um that's disgusting that people would say that about him

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00:35:37.880 the way of a massive multi-trillion dollar debt time bomb that he that we're going to pass in

00:35:45.020 congress that he talks about that or that says we shouldn't bomb other countries well his views are

00:35:50.160 sincere i mean you could say well you know there are a million different plausible arguments you can

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00:38:54.140 went to you know the united states of america where pubs across philadelphia were filled with people

00:39:00.180 just sitting there having friendly debates over politics you know having a hard cider at

00:39:04.980 nine in the morning you know like our founding fathers did maybe we need to bring back hard cider but

00:39:10.040 that's what they did that was their breakfast drink you know john adams sitting there just

00:39:12.760 having a conversation with uh you know with thomas jefferson in their defense the water was bad

00:39:17.720 that was that's right that was the safest beverage no but it's it's sorry i'm sorry to get sorry wow

00:39:23.300 that i'm not not as clued into what people are saying as i probably should be but i didn't know that

00:39:28.620 he was being attacked like that vehemently and president trump just launched a like large diatribe

00:39:34.820 untruth social about him you know uh calling him non you know not not maga and he's not make america

00:39:40.560 great again and thomas massey is the wrong target yeah i think it was the first time that i saw trump

00:39:46.620 get ratioed actually um when he attacked massey a few months ago and just read the comments so people

00:39:54.700 usually you know all of the maga people will just jump on and say you know whatever you say president

00:39:58.480 trump we love you we love you without any sort of critical thought and then when he when he attacked

00:40:04.800 massey a number of months ago the ratio was unbelievable i never thought i'd see it but

00:40:10.340 people overwhelming are like uh mr president wrong target it's wrong target i mean you can i i understand

00:40:16.600 that trump is annoyed understandably that massey's like criticizing his bill trump thinks the bill's

00:40:22.360 really important and massey's just totally against it and you can't win massey's vote because he

00:40:27.240 really means it i think this is what the president's thinking is is my sense and and that annoys him

00:40:32.640 because he really feels like he has to get this bill through okay that's a fair debate um i get it i get

00:40:38.220 both sides but to accuse him for anyone to accuse massey of having evil motives is really dark and says

00:40:47.440 much more about the accuser than the accused i would say i agree yeah yeah so wow okay we've already

00:40:54.060 gotten me spun up clayton morris well i've been spun up all weekend so it's i have to share some of

00:40:58.960 that energy with you i mean i know you've been furious too so well also ashamed because i was part

00:41:03.800 of the propaganda push in 2002 and 2003 up until december 15th of that year when i changed my view life

00:41:10.520 and views but um i don't remember anyone ever talking about so i was in tv from 2003 well i'd been in it

00:41:22.000 long before that but i was in 2003 to i got fired in 2023 so that's that's 20 years i guess that's

00:41:27.920 exactly 20 years yeah i don't remember really any conversation you know backstage about our role

00:41:36.820 the media's role in the run-up to iraq did anyone ever talk about that in your experience no

00:41:41.780 no and it's such a vital part of this it's such a important piece of this to have that propaganda

00:41:50.500 piece of this the manufacturing of consent for war yeah and we have again a long history of this you

00:41:57.140 don't do it without the newspapers you don't do it without the television stations you don't do it

00:42:01.140 without the fox news or the cnn's the msnbc's right i mean cbs changed the name of their show

00:42:07.220 to showdown with saddam i you know i'm clayton morris host of showdown with saddam we haven't

00:42:13.660 attacked we haven't attacked them yet but that's the name of my show welcome we're replacing phil

00:42:20.460 donahue with countdown iraq like so you're you're you're you're you're framing all of this ahead of

00:42:27.000 time you're the propaganda is there ahead of time so it's all being laid out we it's basically it

00:42:34.100 becomes an inevitability that we are going to attack the show should have been called what

00:42:38.280 the hell does saddam hussein have to do with 9-11 hosted by even i who was a semi-witting

00:42:47.300 cog in the propaganda machine those years even i was like always baffled like what the hell does

00:42:54.620 saddam have to do with 9-11 and there was this character steve hayes who later became a fox news

00:42:59.280 contributor oh yeah remember who was like who's just kind of dumb um not evil or anything he's just

00:43:05.840 stupid and ambitious and trying to feed his family but he wound up writing this book and i think the

00:43:12.280 cheney people like leaked him a bunch of lies and he was dumb enough to believe them and it was

00:43:16.440 like a book like no actually saddam was behind 9-11 yeah believe the cheneys and i liked hayes too at

00:43:23.360 the time we worked together actually i was like ah i don't i don't think you really made the case

00:43:28.400 there what when did he publish that book was that before colin powell's anthrax i you know i can't it's

00:43:35.240 all a blur to me it was a long time ago and i was right in the middle of it so it's it was hard it's

00:43:40.200 harder to see the outlines when you're in the middle of something i didn't have clarity and like

00:43:43.660 the fair report at the time would have been like fair is a very liberal group and i would have been

00:43:47.900 like well liberals yeah it gives a shit what they think yeah and i'm still i'm very opposed to

00:43:53.660 liberals but the definition of liberal has changed but now i would i would hope i would say i don't

00:43:59.720 care where the information comes from what matters to me is whether or not it's true right you have to

00:44:04.440 be focused on what's true period like that has to be your your north star or else you're going to wind

00:44:09.720 up participating in lies as i did do you remember a curveball yeah so this is a the media complicity

00:44:19.260 with this so i spoke to an fbi agent who told me he said you know when we want to leak information

00:44:23.500 you know we push it out to the washington post or we push it out to uh intelligence agencies want to

00:44:29.300 push and leak stories or plant stories we go to the new york times we go to the you know uh we go to

00:44:34.220 the washington post etc and of course it used to be you know back in the day you know they

00:44:39.640 were embedded inside of newsrooms right so you had them inside the cbs newsroom and all of that

00:44:44.260 um and now they just give them the information and then they run with it they don't question it at all

00:44:49.720 so curveball this has always been fascinating to me it's you know colin powell gets up there

00:44:55.420 and holds up this vial and it's been kept from him that this guy curveball was a defector

00:45:02.920 from iraq he defects to germany and starts talking all kinds of shit about saddam hussein

00:45:10.920 he's got mobile biological weapons labs the mobile bio labs i remember that he's got all these things

00:45:17.700 and the german authorities are like this guy curveball has got a screw loose like yeah so do you remember

00:45:25.220 there was a cia european chief i think his name was like tyler drumheller or something like that

00:45:34.440 he knew that this guy screwball was had a screw loose and he warned his counterparts in dc like don't

00:45:43.520 pay attention to what this guy curveball is saying this information is not accurate he's got an agenda

00:45:50.420 this smells bad don't don't base anything that you're giving colin powell or anybody anybody else

00:45:56.040 any reason to go into iraq don't base it on curveball dc ignores it on purpose hides it from

00:46:05.160 colin powell so then colin powell goes before the american people with a little vial of fake anthrax

00:46:10.180 and says mobile biological weapons labs and i mean all of the networks run with it there were people in

00:46:18.360 the media who were aware that curveball was had a screw loose but it didn't matter because the

00:46:24.600 narrative had been set we ignored it so the you know dc dc offices ignored it on purpose and cordoned

00:46:32.160 it off i think uh colin powell's speechwriter at the time and and head of his office said we were

00:46:39.160 completely deceived because they withheld this information and this was he's colin powell spent

00:46:44.580 weeks at cia headquarters going over all of the documents not one of them did he find credible

00:46:50.520 the one that he ended up using one of maybe two was the mobile biological weapons labs that all came

00:46:59.520 from curveball which was all made up and then of course in 2011 curveball comes out and says yeah i

00:47:03.880 made the whole thing up because i hated saddam and i just wanted a regime change and i knew if i planted

00:47:07.720 this seed it would lead to regime change shouldn't we have a stronger predicate to go into these

00:47:12.920 countries and shouldn't the the incurious media be asking questions of these people but they go along

00:47:18.980 with it because it's part of you know i don't know who's feeding them these sort of like deep state

00:47:23.600 talking points that they need to carry on with this but to me they're an extension of the pentagon i

00:47:30.040 mean when you have like fox news has like an office in the pentagon and who who works in that office i

00:47:36.020 think jennifer griffin oh jennifer griffin so you have these people that are literally inside the

00:47:40.280 buildings jennifer griffin is uh even by the standards of pentagon employees like she's not

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00:47:53.000 but she um she's like a parody she's like a parody it's like the whole thing she had this amazing

00:47:59.920 tweet yesterday i guess the secretary of defense pete hegseth or her former colleague uh said something

00:48:06.740 about you know referring to the pilots of the b2s who dropped the the bunker busters um in iran said

00:48:12.780 something like good work boys i think there's something like that and jennifer griffin immediately

00:48:17.120 comes back and goes breaking news uh actually one of the pilots was a female a woman and like so all

00:48:22.560 of a sudden fox news is like celebrating the diversity of the bomber pilots it's like there was

00:48:29.160 this meme years ago several years ago making fun of the left and it was like you know someone getting

00:48:35.740 bombed in some you know benighted country and by the u.s or by nato and it was like but you know at

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00:52:32.080 in the immediate in the immediate aftermath of the bombing was this is spectacular you know sean this is

00:52:38.760 spectacular this was really it was yeah this was an amazing operation there was not one leak no one of

00:52:44.760 the explosions no no jennifer griffin's fought in a lot of wars she's personally courageous to put a lot

00:52:49.040 on the line so many of these people are even like that jim scudo from cnn you know unbelievable he you

00:52:57.140 know he was embedded in in ukraine and he's like you know we we know the this massive offensive is

00:53:02.460 coming here's this and this you know being fed information directly from the deep state you know

00:53:07.040 these guys so they're all an extension uh you know cnn and all these they're all an extension of the

00:53:12.620 intelligence community being fed this information and given these stores sources so they can never say

00:53:17.660 a negative thing about them because then you cut off your sources you know jennifer griffin as this was

00:53:23.820 all unfolding and it was clear to me that there are a lot of questions about what was actually in

00:53:29.940 those nuclear sites because a week earlier israel had struck two of them so do you think that iran

00:53:36.340 just kind of hung out and just like got a broom out and cleaned some stuff up and just put like the

00:53:41.380 pictures back up on the wall no they were empty and fordo by all accounts was empty as well

00:53:47.320 so what exactly did we hit and then this information was coming out almost in real time

00:53:51.780 but i was watching the network news coverage and there was no sort of walking it back

00:53:57.600 there was no assessment the truth right just lying just continuing with this this is the

00:54:05.300 greatest moment in american history is jen griffin is a liar um but also very liberal wow true trump

00:54:13.340 hater to the point where i complained about her and i really tried not to complain about other people

00:54:17.420 at fox when i worked there because like i don't like that you know office politics stuff but she

00:54:22.520 was discrediting the channel she was such a trump hater um and it was like emotional like her internal

00:54:29.240 memos you know from the pentagon sources are telling us were like screeds it was like i'll just read

00:54:36.020 political playbook if that's what you know or whatever i'll read mother jones and i said to an

00:54:41.560 executive at fox like what what are we doing with this jennifer griffin person um she's an idiot she

00:54:47.600 doesn't tell the truth she misleads our viewers and she's like a screaming liberal who hates trump

00:54:52.500 who our viewers love so what what are we getting out of this and i was like oh it's like boy you could

00:54:59.100 not touch jennifer griffin i don't know what that's about but um well if you have an office in the

00:55:06.000 pentagon maybe that's what that's about maybe i mean or i don't know that's that whole other world

00:55:13.820 that i you know i'm not a part of but i just i cannot i can't tolerate it and it's why so many

00:55:19.540 people are so fed up with cable news but you have to understand what you understand it maybe your

00:55:26.640 viewers don't fully understand or appreciate how profitable it is for these networks during war

00:55:34.460 so if you look at the numbers from like like q1 of 20 or 2002 2002 before we went into iraq

00:55:44.540 the numbers for revenue for for fox was uh about 70 or so uh i forget the numbers exactly but anyway

00:55:55.760 in that following quarter when the war started in march the numbers went up 150 no way 150 so

00:56:04.440 war is incredibly profitable i mean cnn was built on it right i mean cnn literally started or was

00:56:10.500 brought to public attention during the war that your brother served in in 1990 so they made you know

00:56:16.440 billions off of war so countdown to iraq showdown with saddam like all of the sort of build up to war

00:56:24.440 people are going to tune in they're going to make money from ad revenue when in an era where ad

00:56:29.440 revenue is plummeting the the the young people don't watch cable news they get their news from

00:56:36.180 like tiktok and and x and little sound bites here and they youtube and places like that they're not

00:56:41.660 buying a cable subscription do you know any young people that have a cable i bet if you asked any of

00:56:46.200 your staff do you any of you guys own a cable subscription so you can watch cnn or fox news no so

00:56:53.900 that audience is you know like getting much much older so it's gonna be very interesting to see

00:56:59.760 what happens to like the cable news landscape in the next few years you remember benghazi

00:57:04.520 right i'm glad you brought that up for a whole host of reasons but go ahead i don't mean to well

00:57:11.940 that was kind of in progress when i got to fox i've been fired from a couple other channels roger

00:57:16.620 hired me so nice of him i'll never stop being grateful and um but i show up in this benghazi

00:57:23.320 thing it's like going bonkers and benghazi benghazi benghazi and this is like the touchstone to this is

00:57:30.120 the rosetta stone to the obama administration right take him down with benghazi and of course

00:57:34.960 the u.s ambassador was killed and so whatever i mean that's i'm totally opposed to you my father

00:57:40.180 was u.s ambassador i'm against u.s ambassadors being killed right through the streets yeah yeah completely so

00:57:45.060 i was on board and we talked about it a lot on tv and i remember one day i was thinking i saw some

00:57:51.600 number of the number of cia operations guys cia officers who were there and benghazi is like an

00:57:56.840 ancient city i think it's across from cyprus it's on on the med and you know second city of libya it's

00:58:02.320 a real place but we had we had so many cia personnel in benghazi libya and i remember this was after we

00:58:10.640 nato killed um qaddafi and i was like why what what were they doing there what was people doing

00:58:18.420 there so i asked that question on tv and it turns out they were there helping to move qaddafi's arm

00:58:25.800 stockpiles to fund the war in syria which we were not prosecuting on our own behalf it was a hundred

00:58:34.040 percent for a foreign country we were doing this we had no national interest in stoking a civil war

00:58:38.460 in syria we did that really at the behest of another country shamefully killed all these people

00:58:44.700 but whatever anyway i didn't know any of this but i was just i just asked like one day why did we have

00:58:48.320 so many cia officers i sort of understood that world a little bit i was like that's weird that we have

00:58:53.180 35 operations guys in benghazi libya like what is or whatever the number was whoa i got immediately uh

00:59:00.620 whoa that's not the benghazi story we're looking at really fox told you that oh 100 like i don't know

00:59:07.540 like what does that have to do with it the point is a u.s ambassador was killed that's bad let's just

00:59:12.440 keep it there like we don't that's not our area i'm glad you bring this up and i was like oh my gosh

00:59:17.360 something big is going on here because you know fox hated obama of course yeah yeah me too

00:59:23.780 so yeah vehemently uh hated hillary clinton me too vehemently so they're responsible for the

00:59:32.660 benghazi disaster killing of u.s ambassador um but you couldn't ask questions about like why the hell

00:59:39.440 are we in libya to begin with well exactly so isn't that amazing so you because that speaks to

00:59:45.720 the heart of it which is the uniparty right that speaks to the heart of it which is both that liberals

00:59:50.180 uh neocons they're all operating from the same playbook exactly so you can't question like why are

00:59:56.440 we in libya in the first place why why did we go in and uh you know just because you know qaddafi

01:00:02.180 wanted to make his own country prosperous that we can't have that in the middle east um in the same

01:00:09.000 way that we couldn't have iran nationalizing their own oil in the 1950s right it's the same thing

01:00:14.520 so you can't ask that question and so it just speaks to the military industrial complex control

01:00:20.300 the uniparty that operates in washington dc that fully is an operational at the at the media networks

01:00:26.980 as well don't question why we're in libya just focus on the hillary clinton piece of what happened

01:00:31.720 in benghazi don't question what's going on in syria just you know focus on assad as a madman and

01:00:39.700 he's going to kill he's gassed all these people which was fake um it was fake i said it was fake

01:00:44.440 boy they wanted to kill me for saying that i mean this sort of predicate these propaganda pieces

01:00:49.460 that they use and it becomes part of like you know this national vernacular on television you

01:00:56.460 know saddam is you know assad is gassing his own people it's not true they were so emotionally

01:01:03.460 so that by that point i i i'm neutral on assad always have been but there was a thriving christian

01:01:10.320 community there i am a christian so i it felt legitimate for me to ask like how does it affect

01:01:14.980 the christians i don't know no one else is saying it so i thought i would yeah and i said

01:01:19.320 that wow people didn't like that and then the gas attack came which was of course the justification

01:01:24.760 for a bombing campaign another bombing campaign in syria and someone high level person tipped me

01:01:30.980 off hey this is not real well there's no evidence it's real if it's real show me how it's real yeah

01:01:34.960 in fact it's been not only no evidence it's been debunked right but this was like the day after the

01:01:39.200 day of yeah so i said that on tv boy i got taken aside by a senior person there who i really liked

01:01:45.140 had known my whole life honestly and i was like tucker i don't know what you're doing here but

01:01:49.620 this is uh this is and i was like in very emotional like why are you defending assad i was like i'm not

01:01:55.220 defending assad we're using the u.s military to kill people and i just want to know if the

01:02:01.460 justification for that is real and they haven't shown that it is and they're clearly lying and i

01:02:04.900 don't know much about anything but i do know lying when i see it i have a good instinct for that and i

01:02:10.020 think they're lying wow i got scolded by somebody who i really liked and was close to

01:02:16.060 personally but was like emotional like how dare you what is that i don't i never have i don't

01:02:21.260 understand it to this day i think i understand it in a if you look at it with this like broader

01:02:29.600 brush that we're we can't have dissent when you're trying to when you're trying to do the

01:02:34.220 bidding of a foreign country i mean israel absolutely wanted us to take out assad they've

01:02:38.340 been wanting the same thing with libya and if you go back to netanyahu sitting there in front of

01:02:44.620 congress telling us about iraq that saddam hussein 100 has weapons of mass destruction 100 there's no

01:02:50.860 doubt in my mind he has weapons of mass destruction you need to go in there like you know by the way

01:02:55.440 it's a risk to america so this is always the the you know the story which is it's a risk to america

01:03:00.780 if if you don't go and bomb iran it's a risk to america we're defending freedom together

01:03:06.280 and the same with syria that syria is going to launch attacks which by the way syria was one

01:03:11.000 of the most peaceful countries in the world yeah damascus a beautiful country a beautiful city

01:03:16.200 one of the most peaceful countries in the world look it up but when you want to take care of your

01:03:23.560 own people and you want to sort of de-westernize that's a that's a huge threat in the same way

01:03:28.440 that iran wanting to nationalize its own oil and kick british petroleum out of its country

01:03:33.560 yeah we're going to keep our own oil i mean look what it did to norway in the late 70s

01:03:38.300 norway became one of the richest and wealthiest countries in the world number one per capita

01:03:42.200 so if there's a history lesson here like iran was basically trying to do what norway did in the late

01:03:48.060 70s we're going to not you know nationalize our own oil but keep keep the profitability for ourself

01:03:54.180 and then what happened the united states took it over british petroleum came back in we installed the

01:03:59.780 they end up using all of this oil funneling off to other places so doesn't enrich the iranians at

01:04:05.460 all widespread poverty it's like something out of mao's playbook you know like take all of your food

01:04:11.140 and then just ship it off to russia exactly right and then also charge your chinese people uh really

01:04:17.460 high taxes give them no food produce a bountiful amount of food just like iran with oil but instead

01:04:24.100 of keeping it send it to stalin so that you're in you're fattening them up the wheat goes to the

01:04:30.700 wheat goes to russia it doesn't go to the chinese people it's a it's a play you know it's right out

01:04:34.480 of that playbook so we cannot have a strong libya that it you know serves its own self-interests we

01:04:42.280 cannot have a strong iran that wants to enrich its own people i mean have you ever seen the photos of

01:04:47.140 like iran in the 1950s i have it's unbelievable people should look it up i mean girls in miniskirts

01:04:53.940 walking you'd be hard-pressed to tell like the difference between like downtown rochester new york

01:04:58.760 these black and white photos which was also thriving yeah in 1954 yeah sad no it's and i don't know i

01:05:07.660 i've managed to see the israeli perspective on i don't see it on gaza i'm just gonna say that

01:05:15.040 but on most things i've managed to see the israeli's perspective and you know they think

01:05:20.960 they're acting in their own interests and my kind of gut level view is that every country

01:05:25.480 acts in its own interest every person acts in his family's interest that that makes sense to me

01:05:30.120 i've never been mad about it um again gaza i think is is too much it's my personal opinion um sorry

01:05:39.000 call me a hater uh but but whatever but in just in general like countries act in their own interests

01:05:44.460 like that's okay i don't understand the americans who were bought in on that or change their profiles

01:05:51.800 so that they've got they're christian americans and they've got an israeli flag i don't get that

01:05:56.300 i don't understand i don't get that everyone's like oh you hate israel no uh my my real rage is

01:06:01.500 reserved for people who sell out their own country yeah like i get their perspective they think they're

01:06:05.840 doing what they need to do they could be right or wrong we can debate it whether what they're doing

01:06:08.860 is good for them i you know doesn't seem like it but maybe they're you know what do i know

01:06:12.740 no i think israel i mean i'll say it i think israel is killing themselves yeah okay but that's

01:06:16.680 their country right i don't understand why the selling out of my country where i'm from by my

01:06:24.880 countrymen like that really offends me that's fair isn't it right because i i don't hear israelis

01:06:30.940 wanting to pump us with billions of dollars telling us that you know you guys have a fentanyl problem

01:06:35.700 like you know or or coming into our country like the idf is going to protect our southern borders to

01:06:40.720 protect us yeah we why are we sending billions of dollars why israel has a surplus a budget surplus

01:06:48.400 and a space force like space program like why are we i mean just driving down streets seeing like

01:06:56.560 homeless people oh i know i was driving down the street just the other day just this guy like with

01:07:00.000 a bag just like you know falling out of the trees i was in california a few weeks ago and just the

01:07:06.500 tents and i couldn't believe the amount of 10 cities underneath it's a national emergency it's

01:07:10.920 the most pressing national emergency i can imagine if your countrymen are dying of drug ods by the

01:07:15.780 hundreds of thousands and living on the street by the millions which they are yeah how is that not

01:07:20.920 the most important thing that's happening in your country but they'll say it's a false dichotomy how

01:07:24.400 what is us sending billions to israel have to do with all the homeless people no i mean that's it's

01:07:30.140 silly how much disk space how much attention of our leaders is focused abroad versus how much is

01:07:35.860 focused here it's it's simple it's not even about the money though it is on some level but the money

01:07:40.200 but it's about the attention if i'm totally absorbed in the problems of my neighbor's children it leaves

01:07:45.780 less time from the problems of my own children it's that simple well ted cruz said to you in your

01:07:49.840 interview with him the very first thing out of his mouth the very first reason he wanted to become a

01:07:53.400 part of the united states congress is because he wanted to see how he could serve israel i think those

01:07:58.080 were his maybe yeah the problem with that is once you start saying that stuff out loud

01:08:02.480 um i mean i you know it's not good if people are you know once you see how things actually operate

01:08:09.660 it radicalizes people and as a true temperamental moderate let me say i don't want that i don't

01:08:17.040 want a country full of angry people you know what i mean but people like ted cruz who is just sort of

01:08:23.920 admits that the u.s is not his main interest in life but he is a united states senator representing one of

01:08:29.900 our biggest states uh that radicalizes people i mean why wouldn't it yeah and i just don't want

01:08:36.360 that i don't want everyone to be kind of happy and i want people to be pissed off and writing crazy

01:08:41.200 shit on x and which they're now doing you know what i mean yeah all of it anyway um so can i you said

01:08:48.660 you saw fox news recently you're not a huge fox well you lived out of the country for years yeah i guess

01:08:54.220 it's not i never really watched it for years yeah yeah but now you're back in the united states and

01:08:58.700 you saw it can i just play we just put together a montage which i think is fair by the way fox

01:09:04.420 canned me over two years ago i've never attacked fox i'm not mad at fox i've always liked fox i'm

01:09:09.720 grateful to them this is really the first time i've attacked them but i think it really matters

01:09:13.580 i think this is a fair representation of what's on fox fox's air right now okay here it is

01:09:20.400 the greater risk would be to do nothing in the face of a clear and present danger the world cannot

01:09:26.320 experience another holocaust if iran gets a nuclear weapon i think the odds are unacceptably high

01:09:33.540 that we would find out with a mushroom cloud over new york city or los angeles or tel aviv and israel

01:09:39.780 israel is doing an enormous favor to the united states right now nuclear iran is not just an

01:09:46.020 existential threat to israel it is an existential threat to america take these enemies not just

01:09:53.280 figuratively not just seriously but literally when they say they want a second genocide they want a

01:09:59.900 nuclear holocaust they mean it if we need to provide bombs to israel provide bombs if we need to fly

01:10:05.780 planes with israel do joint operations but here's the bigger question wouldn't the world be better off

01:10:11.660 if the ayatollahs went away and replaced by something better wouldn't iran be better off

01:10:16.460 america first is not sitting in a beach chair and using words it's taking decisive action when we can

01:10:22.280 take out for dough the one swoop of an airplane what the hell is it going to take to realize what

01:10:28.940 we're up against here this country should be united united in its own defense nobody's dragging us into

01:10:37.740 anything it's not the jews it's not israel again no long-range intercontinental ballistic missiles

01:10:47.880 with nuclear warheads are for you and me and your children and your grandchildren that's what's

01:10:54.540 airing on fox by the way that same person mark levin who was a totally minor player in fox world up

01:11:01.860 until recently um i can tell you firsthand uh suggested today that we send nuclear weapons to

01:11:08.320 ukraine too um and but i should just make it clear in the last clip that we played he said

01:11:14.860 intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with nuclear warheads are meant for you they're going to kill

01:11:19.620 you the mullahs um run us and have intercontinental ballistic missiles it doesn't have nuclear warheads

01:11:26.200 like all of this is it's it's deranged um and the point is to scare uh old people into obedience

01:11:35.440 and let me say one last thing that everyone on that list so we've got hannity cruz barry weiss

01:11:40.960 lindsey graham kaylee mckinney mark levin levin um of those people hannity's i think a genuine

01:11:50.400 friend of trump's i think hannity really likes trump and i just want to say again i really like sean

01:11:55.000 hannity personally got no problem with sean hannity at all personally um and he he likes

01:11:59.700 uh he likes trump i don't know kaylee mckinney what she thinks of trump but ted cruz barry weiss

01:12:05.980 lindsey graham and mark levin hate donald trump they're all never trumpers well i mean you know

01:12:13.620 one of them tech ruse ran against him right so like right these are people who hate donald trump

01:12:19.620 i'm not guessing they're no i know them all they're like nikki haley supporters a hundred

01:12:24.100 percent right ron de santis and they're all now saying how much they love trump like anyway i'm

01:12:30.580 gonna stand back and just let you assess like what we just saw well one thing i noticed i didn't see

01:12:35.860 any dissenting voices at all again goes right back to the 2002 playbook i didn't see anybody saying wait a

01:12:42.780 second challenging mark levin about intercontinental ballistic missiles there was no questioning of

01:12:50.780 that there's just there's no one there to question they there was a guy who would have questioned

01:12:54.740 him but they fired him a couple years ago and now he's got a much bigger platform no i didn't mean

01:13:00.340 to sound self-pitying but it is no it is true like is hannity i mean i think ted cruz i don't know

01:13:04.680 whose show he was on during that but is hannity gonna question like i saw mark levin go on a

01:13:09.760 tirade the other day on hannity's show and then hannity basically jumped in and supported that

01:13:15.540 tirade praising trump as maybe you know that decades of presidents had the opportunity to

01:13:22.260 attack and didn't do it it took donald trump like you know god basically to to attack and destroy

01:13:29.640 iran's nuclear facilities but i didn't see any dissenting voices on this at all and the idea of

01:13:35.160 barry weiss saying that that this is a threat to america so that's the that's what we keep hearing

01:13:40.560 this is a threat to weiss will say whatever she needs to say barry weiss's interest is not the

01:13:45.020 united states at all it's odd i mean but factually is it a threat to america that's what i want to

01:13:51.920 know like who and if it is certainly make it a threat to america right and that's the that's the

01:13:57.240 beauty of now we're hearing about now they're sleeper cells so i spoke to a cia agent a former cia

01:14:04.320 agent a couple months ago and he said my biggest fear is that they will use he said this is this is

01:14:12.740 the cia plan this is what we do so we use a dumb muslim we'll get a dumb muslim who's easily

01:14:18.800 brainwashable and we'll have them carry out an attack as a catalyst for us to go into war go into

01:14:24.560 war in iran and then oh this guy's iran this guy's an iranian ah there you go dumb palestinian

01:14:31.100 christian like sirhan sirhan just wrong yeah exactly excuse me right exactly so we will use

01:14:36.120 a patsy and that will be the catalyst do you see what they did in you know in wayne michigan did

01:14:42.000 you see what they did there was a there was a you know carrying out this attack by the way these

01:14:46.320 accounts as soon as we attacked the nuclear sites almost immediately there were uh videos being

01:14:52.260 surfaced and flooded on social media about like islamists running towards subways in new york city

01:14:58.420 so reckless and dangerous it's so immoral but so profitable tucker so much money they'll make off

01:15:06.800 of this i mean i think mark levin and barry weiss you know whatever i mean these are people

01:15:12.440 who just really just don't care at all okay but there are other people here lindsey graham who

01:15:18.540 everyone hates lindsey graham but i always say this and i mean it once absolutely delightful person

01:15:22.900 delightful person hilarious nice like he's not in person he's not some kind of monster at all he's

01:15:29.640 like fun guy to have dinner with which i have done what's he thinking does does part of him think

01:15:34.460 jeez you know a lot of people could die like i'm like when they die do i feel bad about it it's an

01:15:40.520 unpatriotic question tucker no but like this is so that's an anti-semitic question like how can you

01:15:46.460 think he really thinks that i don't think he's i think he's so bought and paid for by the military

01:15:53.260 industrial complex how much money he's made from the military industrial complex people are dying

01:15:58.080 i don't think they care at all they're in a bubble man i don't think they care at all and

01:16:02.620 so they don't think at some point they're gonna have to answer for this

01:16:05.140 maybe in the afterlife they will but because it always happens over there we don't live that long

01:16:10.720 like human lifespan is pretty short i don't know you're really rolling the dice with this kind of

01:16:15.260 stuff i mean maybe there's no god and you know it's fine and like the guy who dies richest wins

01:16:20.460 i i guess maybe but what if you're what if you know the blaze pascal formula is like right like

01:16:26.320 why would you why would you risk that he's only risking like purgatory for a few few thousand years

01:16:32.500 and then he'll you know eventually get shut it off one way or the other um but it's incredibly

01:16:37.240 profitable like if somebody sent you 10 million dollars to say that you know firestone tires are

01:16:43.220 better than bridgestone tires assuming they're not the same company which i think they may be but

01:16:46.500 whatever right you know what i mean like you'd be like okay i'm for firestone now 10 million dollars

01:16:51.280 but if someone sent you 10 million dollars or 100 million dollars or 10 billion dollars to

01:16:55.200 say something was untrue that you knew would get people killed you want 10 billion dollars but you'd be

01:17:00.960 like oh i don't know i can't that's not a good idea kind of rolling with like my soul here but these

01:17:07.300 people are soulless and they're not going to ask these tough questions they're not going to challenge

01:17:12.240 this as you and i talked about last night i'm thinking of that upton sinclair quote where he said

01:17:15.740 what you it's uh it's it's hard to convince a man of something he's paid not to see yeah yeah it's a

01:17:22.360 you know if you're paying if you're on the salary if he's being paid to not see it so if your whole

01:17:27.800 salary relies on knowing something that's right you know uh or not knowing something you know it's

01:17:35.180 difficult so all these you know different anchors on these different television they they want the

01:17:38.740 prestige of being on tv and having people like put makeup on them and all of that and they

01:17:42.940 they rely on that contract they rely on that salary and then if they don't have that they go off and

01:17:48.720 try to do things like what like don lemon did or whatever and if you're part of that machine no one

01:17:53.140 wants to watch your stuff you know because well you for for 10 years you were a liar so now you're

01:18:00.220 going to go off and do an independent show and now and now we're going to watch you and trust you

01:18:04.080 like you were lying for money for so many years pushing a narrative and now you're going to go

01:18:09.840 off we're not going to watch it so i just find it so no it's such a good point it's the same argument

01:18:18.940 that they used in 2002 that it's an existential threat to the united states of america that saddam

01:18:23.880 hussein is going to use intercontinental ballistic missiles he's going to gather a warhead with anthrax

01:18:30.440 he's going to shoot you know he's going to shoot it into some mall somewhere so that's the fear

01:18:34.960 right they're going to they're playing on our fear that we are going to be attacked by iran

01:18:39.500 and we they don't have an intercontinental ballistic missile to hit us to forget just don't let the

01:18:45.440 facts get in the way they actually don't have a nuclear warhead they don't have the re-entry

01:18:50.820 mechanism to even make that happen but we need to be fearful of it like i don't wake up fearful of

01:18:55.960 iran in the morning maybe i'm dumb you know maybe i'm an idiot and i should that should be the first

01:19:00.340 thing that i do when i wake up in the morning not like the trend de aragua gang down the street i

01:19:05.640 should be more worried about iran is going to attack me and by the way why would they attack us i know

01:19:11.460 like why why aren't they attacking sweden right now if they hate our freedoms why aren't they attacking

01:19:17.300 norway right now why would they attack us if we get the if we get the hell out of there

01:19:23.300 maybe we wouldn't maybe we wouldn't have these problems if we wouldn't build these bases in their

01:19:28.320 backyard if we wouldn't meddle in trying to decapitate their leadership and overthrow and

01:19:33.760 install a pro-western government and tell them to open mcdonald's but we can't we seem like we're

01:19:40.520 so addicted to doing it and we thought under trump that this would be a realignment like we're not

01:19:45.800 going to do this well the whole the whole game has been to manipulate the president of course

01:19:50.820 and you know i think that's true with any president i mean it's that's the seat of power

01:19:55.800 so of course a lot of people are interested in you know moving it in their direction i get it you

01:19:59.480 know it's all it's not surprising um it's not even offensive it's just the way things are

01:20:03.720 i'm just offended watching these people who i know personally and i know for a fact they hate trump

01:20:10.160 the murdochs really hate trump yeah there's no one who hates trump more than the murdochs

01:20:13.640 i mean i got fired in april of 2023 in may of 2023 they asked me to run for president against trump

01:20:21.320 and said they would back me obviously i'm not running for any you know i would never get

01:20:26.120 elected any plus i like trump i mean that's the funny thing is i actually genuinely i get frustrated

01:20:32.020 i'm frustrated now so hold on i'm sorry you just said that and people by i mean they asked you to run

01:20:38.200 for president against trump the murdochs yeah yeah yeah lachlan murdoch said you should run for

01:20:42.520 we'll back you the whole the whole thing the whole the whole fox news apparatus and not just fox but

01:20:47.940 you know wall street journal all of their papers absolutely yeah we'll back you and that came right

01:20:52.880 from you should do that i was already gone they already canceled my show i was still under contract

01:20:56.180 but they canceled my show you should run we support you you should run we want to stop trump

01:21:00.480 yeah yeah well he was running i was like and and first of all i like trump and i thought desantis

01:21:08.520 was kind of promising and then he signed some hate speech bill yeah out of the country and i was like

01:21:13.280 you're a betrayer like that's so offensive to me i can't even any hate speech bill is so offensive to

01:21:18.560 me can't criminalize opinions right what criminalize violence which they don't and i like desantis but

01:21:24.960 that was i was i was like no i can't that's so a violation of my principles and i really i i've

01:21:31.580 always liked trump despite getting frustrated as i do with everyone i love we get frustrated but i

01:21:37.120 always like the guy a lot and i still do anyway but whatever and also i couldn't get elected to

01:21:42.140 anything and i don't want to be elected to anything it's not my world and zero interest i've never had

01:21:46.500 any interest but he looked at me oh yeah yeah absolutely at dinner you you should run and and i was

01:21:52.160 like i don't that's not my world like i'm a opinion guy i can sit behind a mic and tell you what i think

01:21:58.360 and that's what i've done my whole life it's what i want to do it's all i'm qualified to do and he's

01:22:02.880 like no no you should do that that's a fact so that's fine i mean lots of people dislike trump

01:22:10.580 it just bothers me that this channel run and staffed by trump haters they're not all trump haters

01:22:18.160 again i sean hannity likes trump good for him like for real he does and there are a few other people

01:22:24.200 there who like trump but most people hate trump they wouldn't allow trump on my show period like

01:22:29.920 trump would call in what they call a beeper or a phoner you know i mean we had him on our show all

01:22:35.300 the time yeah like nope not doing that i did an interview in april of 2023 right with trump at

01:22:41.340 mar-a-lago right before i got canned like a week before i got canned and boy they were furious that

01:22:47.640 i talked to trump in that interview because they didn't want him they didn't want him being promoted

01:22:51.760 and i don't know that it's personal they just dislike his views they they dislike his views on

01:22:57.600 economics they dislike his views on foreign policy and they're very serious about it so again that's

01:23:03.700 fine you can disagree you're allowed to i believe in disagreement sincere disagreement i'm just

01:23:09.880 blown away that those same people like no no we're we're here with maga we're policing maga you're not

01:23:17.920 maga says mark levin or whatever his name is it's like are you serious and they were supporting

01:23:24.440 de santis i mean they were up until the primary hates trump so like which is again that's fine i'm

01:23:30.960 not attacking him i believe that everyone is allowed to come to his own conclusions about everything

01:23:36.180 because i believe that people have souls they're not slaves or animals or machines they are

01:23:42.340 autonomous beings created by god and so they're allowed and have to be allowed to come to their

01:23:46.680 own conclusions and all conclusions are legal i'm not the one who's trying to criminalize opinions as

01:23:51.660 they have done in europe and are trying to do here i reject that but mark levin is on the other side

01:23:56.440 levin and but for him to be like oh i just love trump and trump's the man if you're a true paper

01:24:03.560 no you're a trump hater and so are your bosses and so are your colleagues and jen griffin you're

01:24:08.820 a trump hater it just drives me bonkers because it's a lie it's fake that's the part that bothers

01:24:16.080 me i have much more respect for i don't know just some sincere lefty who's like yeah i don't like

01:24:21.380 trump now i didn't like him then i disagree like that just seems straightforward and

01:24:26.440 sort of manly to me this just seems totally creepy like ted cruz like oh i love trump

01:24:33.500 and sycophantic totally yeah that it's always yeah it's always that's always bothered me the

01:24:39.460 you know the sycophantic you know ass kissing on the air but then the other part of it is that you

01:24:45.260 know that trump watches fox all day yeah so well they know that that's why they're doing that they

01:24:52.460 know that so when they start an hour of a broadcast and say trump just carried out the most magnificent

01:24:58.660 attack in american history on nuclear sites trump's sitting there watching it oh yeah i did that so

01:25:05.500 it's like feeding this ego it's like a weird loop i don't understand it yeah i know it's gonna be very

01:25:12.360 interesting when these i mean i do understand it it's like it's the same reason people check their twitter

01:25:18.480 mentions or whatever they call it or google themselves something i've never done but um

01:25:23.960 yeah i don't i don't approve of it i think it's bad i think it makes you more insecure when you

01:25:28.000 look to other people for approval people you don't know who cares what people you don't know think of

01:25:32.280 you like it's so weird to me but anyway but i think you know it's a super tough call right now he's

01:25:39.140 under the president's under enormous pressure from outside the white house from donors and

01:25:45.140 etc and i think it's natural for people to seek affirmation the problem is that you don't you know

01:25:53.400 you don't want to be unduly influenced by flattery i think that's a just for all of us that's a

01:25:59.880 weakness that all of us have and i think you need to approach flatterers with hostility i agree

01:26:06.180 flattery is way more dangerous than criticism yeah and people often ignore the flattery part and just

01:26:13.240 soak it in so it's very easy to get like a thousand comments that are praising you we love

01:26:18.040 you tucker you're amazing and then there's like one negative really goes after you calls you whatever

01:26:23.200 and you can dwell on that and lose sleep over that oh yeah but maybe the more insidious and more

01:26:28.840 dangerous or the thousand love comments because you know of course there's a kind of i mean again

01:26:35.320 there's false uh criticism you work for qatar okay right but like there's also legitimate criticism

01:26:45.180 which i think is really important to hear and i seek it always i try to i want to anyway but flattery

01:26:53.100 is the most deceptive of all it's the most insidious it's the most dangerous it's it shows the least

01:26:58.660 respect to you someone who flatters you has no respect for you at all if you were going to try to bring

01:27:03.920 the conversation back to like a non-emotional level with what's going on there yeah where would

01:27:10.060 you go would it be america doing it's really simple how's america doing countries defined by

01:27:14.160 its cities go to our 10 biggest cities walk around spend a day in each how's it how's it how's it going

01:27:19.080 doing a good job or leaders doing a pretty good job that's a fucking disaster it is and i live in

01:27:26.720 you know rural pockets that are great because they're more like the country was in the 80s yeah but

01:27:31.840 that's not the country the country is its cities right any country i mean in fact there weren't

01:27:37.340 even countries until fairly recently there were cities i mean that's rome was a city it controlled

01:27:42.640 the world right the idea of a nation state is a pretty new concept no cities matter they really

01:27:48.600 matter i hate them i don't go to them because they're terrible right so i would just say the

01:27:53.700 pressing problem in america is the condition of its cities because that is america it's not iran

01:27:58.160 with an intercontinental ballistic missile coming no it's not iran it's also not malibu or jackson hole

01:28:03.320 or the weird little pockets where i live it's not it's new york chicago la it is it's atlanta it's

01:28:10.780 minneapolis it's have you seen sunset boulevard recently no i just did an interview with uh someone

01:28:17.660 who grew up in hollywood and uh you know hollywood's collapsing but sunset boulevard all the big stores

01:28:23.300 are closed oh oh seen oh seen actual these sunset boulevard in los angeles yeah yeah not like the

01:28:28.480 east west artery that defines the city yeah exactly oh i know it very well it's like all these classic

01:28:33.880 stores 80 year old restaurants closed up in hollywood oh yeah so and frank's is like yeah that

01:28:40.820 whole area no i know that area really well and i i grew up for a time in my childhood right there and i

01:28:47.120 and i love it san francisco go to union square i went there with my great-grandmother who was

01:28:53.260 survived the 1906 earthquake in san francisco went to gumps with her as a child over christmas i'll

01:28:58.900 never forget how charming union square was and i was born there and i was i was there this spring

01:29:03.840 and i was like coming down off knob staying in knob hill come down union square and i was just like

01:29:09.240 oh my heart broke yeah so so that's that's the problem it's really simple and you mentioned to

01:29:15.260 someone like ted cruz or i mean mark levin and barry weiss are like what they don't even know

01:29:19.380 what you're talking about they don't care yeah they have no interest in america at all but but

01:29:24.140 but some of these people i mean certainly lindsey graham he should care he doesn't but again it's

01:29:30.700 upton sinclair right if you're it's very difficult to get someone to understand something or care if

01:29:36.040 their entire salary depends on them not caring so his entire salary the money that he makes from all

01:29:41.040 these lobbying groups all the military industrial complex funds his mania his wanting to you know

01:29:51.780 decapitate putin regime change in russia regime change in iran doing the bidding of all of these

01:30:00.420 you know all of these uh all of these foreign countries doing the bidding of military industrial

01:30:06.600 complex which stands to make a lot of money wouldn't it be amazing if we could that true like

01:30:11.300 you brought up a great point the other day but that trillion dollar budget that we now have for

01:30:14.520 the military industrial complex like why do we not have the material to protect ourselves like you

01:30:20.840 think with that kind of budget i don't know ask jen griffin shut up you hate the military you love

01:30:27.060 iran you love our enemies yeah no it's so it's so frustrating and again i don't love iran i don't hate

01:30:34.280 israel i really am angry at the people who abandoned their own country who are positions

01:30:38.740 of responsibility in their nation the nation of their birth and just abandoned it i look on them as

01:30:44.060 i as i view a father who abandoned his family with true contempt i don't care how hot she was i don't

01:30:49.760 care how bad your drinking problem was i don't care what your excuse was you left your family and i just

01:30:55.080 i i i have total contempt for that by the way that's not even considered bad now right no it's

01:31:00.840 encouraged like totally i mean you abandoned your children that's cool i mean i was in a barnes and

01:31:06.200 noble the other day and i haven't been in one of those in a long time like a big bookstore that

01:31:11.180 still exists it still exists where uh it was in uh outside of denver colorado wow and i used to

01:31:18.340 love going to buy it would sit there for hours and just read books get a coffee and that's how i did my

01:31:22.540 most of my studying at the university of pittsburgh was the barnes and noble down the street and i loved

01:31:26.100 it i loved being around books i loved you know that environment but my wife and i went she's like

01:31:30.680 oh my god i gotta get out of here like all of the little tables for like you know gender studies or

01:31:36.020 gen you know and then there was the whole family this really stunned us the whole family section

01:31:40.740 was not about like how to improve your marriage or have a better family it was all how to get divorced

01:31:49.040 next to the how to kill yourself file yeah yeah that's exactly what and they of course they pushed

01:31:57.500 this and this is what they want you know they don't want us to have a strong nuclear family they don't

01:32:01.620 want us to have strong neighbors friendships in the neighborhood they want us to you know they want

01:32:07.680 they want uh women to say they don't need men you get rid of get rid of men in your life men

01:32:14.380 it's it's yeah it's so these i guess i mean i have opinions and everything you said but i don't

01:32:23.220 want to keep repeating myself like an old person but i guess i would just say we have a lot of

01:32:28.020 problems like real real problems not just inflation or gdp or like actual systemic problems to to steal

01:32:35.760 a term that they love and um you know anything that that diverts attention from that it seems really bad

01:32:42.640 so this is the madness that i this is another part of my rage because i watch the the economic numbers

01:32:47.440 also um i'm not an economist play one on television i am i remember when i graduated from hbs and went to

01:32:57.680 the new york fed just for five years as an internship and thinking i could make this a career but i instead

01:33:02.520 went into cable news yeah you could have worked at the treasury but yeah excuse me so if you think

01:33:08.820 about right now what would devastate the united states of america it's is it an intercontinental

01:33:13.900 ballistic missile no no what would devastate the united states of america would be five dollar

01:33:19.500 gasoline yes so have we thought about that because when i heard them come out on tv the other night

01:33:25.020 say we've thought through every possible scenario as a as an attack against us after we launched these

01:33:31.700 attacks on these nuclear sites we've we've gamed out everything were their words we've gamed out

01:33:35.980 everything did you game out that the iranian parliament just voted to close the straits of

01:33:41.280 hormuz did you figure that part of it out because i remember in 2022 under biden when gas hit five

01:33:48.700 dollars and one penny we you had people filling up the flatbed of their truck with tarps with gasoline

01:33:56.420 because they were in panic mode biden literally emptied the strategic oil reserves as a response

01:34:02.200 inflation went over nine percent uh the cpi number went over nine percent which is the consumer price

01:34:09.140 index which means how much are people paying for their groceries how much gas prices are included in

01:34:14.660 the cpi number five dollars closing the straits of hormuz could put oil or gas prices in the united

01:34:23.120 states between seven and ten dollars it's only 20 of the world's petroleum flows through there not a big

01:34:30.200 deal have we thought about this have we thought about how everything that we're doing right now

01:34:34.600 the lights on the food that we get on our tables is as it would be affected by this in a massive way i

01:34:41.940 mean the only you know the only silver lining is that also china relies on the straits of hormuz

01:34:47.340 you know in a very large way luckily they don't play the long game though so it's not a not a concern

01:34:54.000 i'm sure they're day traders just like us so china just can't flip on that siberian oil pipeline to

01:34:59.980 russia hey we need instead of the 800 000 barrels a day that we normally get from you like let's crank

01:35:05.180 it up to three you okay with that putin do you think that they have a relationship the brics nations

01:35:10.360 have a relationship to soften this they do now so what um boy you're making me sad uh so i'm gonna

01:35:18.080 end on clayton it's so great to see you it's great so um let me end on what i hope is a hopeful note so

01:35:25.260 both of us worked in television our whole lives were we you left voluntarily because you're smarter

01:35:31.420 than i am but um i was expelled like a hairball from the system and um so you've been out how long

01:35:40.740 what year did you leave uh 2017 so eight years ago wow crazy i've been out two years my head is

01:35:49.000 starting to clear i feel better yeah i feel like i'm much younger man but um what's the what's the

01:35:53.620 future of that of that business of that medium well i think it's collapsing in real time and i've i said

01:36:00.440 that while i was there yeah that this idea that people are going to pay for a cable subscription

01:36:07.020 in order to get their cnn or rachel maddow or sean hannity like that's dying and that audience is

01:36:15.180 dying with them i don't know if you've ever watched fox in the afternoon it's all ads for hip replacement

01:36:22.480 or like don't fall out of your shower stalls because you're elderly so they know their audience they know

01:36:29.720 it's aging out the joke back when i was at fox was that oh cbs's audience is like 90

01:36:34.920 it was like 75 at the time but i'm just being exaggerating

01:36:39.760 so now those people are in their 90s though that audience is not getting any younger again i don't

01:36:47.900 know anybody watching right now who's buying a cable box when they go to xfinity or comcast and

01:36:54.760 they're they're starting out they're like a young couple they're in their 20s they want to have

01:36:59.600 children they don't even know what a cable box is so they're going now maybe with like you know

01:37:06.160 buy a phonograph but not a cable box and a lot of this is like shifted over to like youtube tv and

01:37:10.880 things like that you know things so i mean there'll be people that'll still flip through but i think

01:37:14.840 it's uh those era of like those massive salaries and everyone's kind of i think that era is gone

01:37:20.940 um so i think you just answered the question that's been bothering me for the past month which is

01:37:26.480 why do old people love killing so much and i i love old people i'm not one of those people who

01:37:32.200 hates the elderly i love the elderly my favorite person my dad was elderly when he died in 84 so

01:37:37.920 i'm not i've always thought we should respect our elders my whole life i've thought that so i'm

01:37:42.640 conservative but in the last month that's like every old person i come into contact with is like

01:37:48.440 let's just kill them like thoughtlessly just kill people and it's like you're gonna face judgment

01:37:53.680 really soon should you really be calling for killing people in your final days here i always

01:37:58.180 think that i never say it but why is that and i do think it's at least in part the result of watching

01:38:06.520 this filth and it is filth it's it's wall to wall it's filth they don't turn it off it's worse than

01:38:12.340 pornography it's disgusting yeah keith kellogg talking about killing people keith kellogg was a complete

01:38:17.480 idiot i know keith kellogg is like truly stupid the idea that keith kellogg could have any influence over

01:38:21.760 anything it's like shocking totally ignorant um just enthusiastic about killing and reckless and

01:38:29.980 just oh not not qualified to drive my car and i'm like how who are these people and why are old

01:38:36.740 people so into killing i honestly think it's because they're watching it yeah and we you and i know this

01:38:41.940 to be true which is that i think even roger ailes told us that the reason fox and friends in the

01:38:48.280 morning would do so well is because the people at night would leave their tv on set to that channel

01:38:53.860 and they'd wake up and it was the first thing would click on to that show and then they leave it on all

01:38:59.260 day i've heard from so many viewers over the years that are like oh my parents would just turn on turn

01:39:04.020 it on and they would leave it run all day it's just kind of like a noise in the background so every

01:39:08.940 hour doesn't matter what panel show it is with four people sitting there on a couch or one person hosting

01:39:14.660 a show when 80 percent of your guests are pro-war and the entire narrative all day is about how trump

01:39:22.720 is amazing and carried out the most spectacular attack on amer you know on in the middle east since

01:39:28.320 we've since normandy then they're just sucking that in we i that barnes and noble the other day i met an

01:39:35.520 old gentleman lovely guy and i was in the history section and he just started chatting and we just

01:39:40.860 started chatting and talking to my wife and he said yeah you know i'm really concerned about you

01:39:45.880 know iran getting this nuclear weapon is wrong getting this nuclear weapon and uh you know and

01:39:50.640 we said do you know that israel has a nuclear weapon right he said what i've never heard that is that

01:39:57.200 true and he's like well you know i just watched i just have it on the news on they just tell me that

01:40:02.460 iran you know it's we got to be worried about iran so do you do you ever hear them talking about

01:40:08.640 that israel has an entire nuclear weapons program that jfk pushed them for inspections and then

01:40:14.960 pushed and pushed and pushed ben gurian for inspections and then was assassinated not saying

01:40:19.660 they're related and eisenhower warned jfk about it like this goes back to the 60s why don't we know

01:40:25.200 about this so this guy because he's watching this like spoon-fed propaganda all day doesn't know any

01:40:32.420 of that clade morris ladies and gentlemen thank you thank you we want to thank you for watching

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The Tucker Carlson Show - June 24, 2025

Thank God Trump Brokered a Ceasefire. That’s the Last Thing Mark Levin Wanted.

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