The Tucker Carlson Show - The 9⧸11 Files： From Tragedy to Tyranny ｜ Ep 5

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00:00:30.000 The 9-11 Commission failed to fulfill the single task it was charged with.

00:00:34.840 Explaining how 9-11 happened and why.

00:00:37.120 Instead, it lied.

00:00:38.420 But the 9-11 Commission did achieve another goal.

00:00:41.420 Bush is winning, baby!

00:00:43.180 It protected the Bush administration,

00:00:44.920 which went on to win a resounding re-election victory in the 2004 elections.

00:00:48.940 It also provided a basis to radically transform our country and our way of life in the United States.

00:00:54.120 The final 70 pages of the 9-11 report detail a long list of recommended reforms.

00:01:00.000 Those so-called reforms radically expanded the power of the very same agencies that failed to protect the United States from the terror attacks.

00:01:08.340 With my signature, this law will give intelligence and law enforcement officials important new tools to fight a present danger.

00:01:16.200 Some of those changes, like the Patriot Act, passed before the Commission even issued its report.

00:01:22.860 We did not need new laws to allow wiretapping and surveillance because in all of the channels for the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, we had every bit of information we needed to stop the terrorists.

00:01:35.540 Kristen Breitweiser is a lawyer. 0.98

00:01:37.120 She's also a 9-11 widow who has spent decades pushing for accountability for what happened on 9-11.

00:01:43.120 The attacks, 100%, should have been prevented, could have been prevented.

00:01:47.660 The U.S. government had everything it needed to stop the attacks.

00:01:51.240 And yet, rather than blame the agencies for their obvious failures,

00:01:54.780 Congress gave the deep state power to access your business records, including your library and bookstore records,

00:02:00.740 with minimal to no judicial oversight, as if you did something wrong.

00:02:05.360 Congress permitted roving wiretaps of multiple phones without specifying a specific target.

00:02:10.320 Congress authorized unconstitutional searches of homes and businesses without any notification at all.

00:02:15.900 Congress created something called National Security Letters,

00:02:19.020 which enabled the FBI to get personal records without any court's approval,

00:02:22.680 and also gave the FBI power to issue gag orders so you couldn't tell anyone they were doing this.

00:02:28.280 We were already wiretapping and doing surveillance just fine before the Patriot Act.

00:02:33.120 So again, the attacks could have been prevented 100%.

00:02:36.040 We had all the information we needed to stop the attacks.

00:02:38.860 We had the hijackers fully identified.

00:02:40.720 We knew exactly where they were going, and we knew what they were up to.

00:02:43.720 We knew that the Patriot Act, FISA warrants, they're not needed,

00:02:49.840 because we already had all the information we needed before 9-11 to stop the attacks.

00:02:54.320 In 2007, the National Security Agency created the PRISM program,

00:02:58.280 that conducted warrantless surveillance of your phone calls, your emails, and your internet activity.

00:03:03.420 Much of this surveillance was conducted on American citizens who'd done nothing wrong.

00:03:07.200 My name is John Kiriakou, K-I-R-I-A-K-O-U.

00:03:11.400 I'm a former CIA counterterrorism officer,

00:03:14.800 former chief of counterintelligence in Alex Station,

00:03:19.580 and I was in CIA counterterrorism center on 9-11.

00:03:24.960 Within hours of the attacks,

00:03:29.300 in retrospect, it's much more clear,

00:03:32.900 the CIA changed from an intelligence service who saw its job as recruiting spies to steal secrets

00:03:40.880 and then to analyze those secrets so policymakers could make the best-informed policy,

00:03:45.520 to a paramilitary organization whose job it was to capture and or kill anybody who could pose a threat to the United States.

00:03:57.040 I went to Pakistan as the chief of CIA counterterrorism operations in January of 2002,

00:04:03.520 and I was given no specific orders.

00:04:06.860 So, on my very first day in Pakistan, I went to see the station chief and I said,

00:04:12.040 what do you want me to do?

00:04:13.160 And he said, I want you to come up with a plan to take down a terrorist safe house.

00:04:18.360 I went back to my desk with a legal pad and thought to myself,

00:04:22.740 all right, what would I do to take down a terrorist safe house? 0.81

00:04:26.080 And I wrote at the top of the page, 0200, because I would want it to be dark.

00:04:31.000 And then I thought, well, 9-11 is still an open criminal investigation,

00:04:34.540 so I'd have to invite the FBI along,

00:04:37.320 and I would have to invite the Pakistani intelligence service because, after all, it's their country.

00:04:42.660 I figured I would need battering rams, guns, ammunition, walkie-talkies, a satellite dish, encrypted communications,

00:04:51.300 all different sorts of things, which I ordered on my CIA credit card.

00:04:56.100 It arrived just days later in Pakistan.

00:04:59.100 But the idea was we take the battering ram, we break down the door, and we grab everybody inside,

00:05:04.980 and then lock them up in whatever local jail happened to be the nearest.

00:05:09.380 And so that's what we started to do. In our first operation, we found two Tunisian teenagers,

00:05:17.100 both 18 or 19 years old. They both burst into tears.

00:05:21.360 One asked if he could call his mother, and it was almost disarming.

00:05:25.300 It was shocking that this was the fearsome Al-Qaeda that we were so afraid of.

00:05:30.360 And then we started doing more of these, from one a week to two a week to three a week.

00:05:34.840 Sometimes we would do two in a night, and we started capturing

00:05:38.000 more and more important people, members of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, for example,

00:05:43.300 members of Uzbek extremist groups.

00:05:46.260 And so we would just take them to the Rawalpindi jail in the nearby city of Rawalpindi.

00:05:52.460 We got to the point where we actually filled the Rawalpindi jail.

00:05:56.480 There was just no room to squeeze one more Al-Qaeda fighter in it. 0.88

00:06:00.240 And so my Pakistani counterpart came to me and said,

00:06:03.820 look, the jail's full. You have to get these guys out.

00:06:06.760 I didn't know what to do with them.

00:06:08.320 So I called CIA headquarters.

00:06:10.460 I said, the PACs want these Al-Qaeda guys out. 0.99

00:06:13.880 What do I do with them?

00:06:15.700 And I was told to put them on a transport plane and send them to Guantanamo.

00:06:20.340 I said, Guantanamo, Cuba?

00:06:22.940 Why would we send them to Cuba?

00:06:25.540 And my colleague in Washington said, well, we've come up with a plan.

00:06:29.740 The plan was to detain hundreds of people, including U.S. citizens,

00:06:33.180 without formal charges or any trial.

00:06:35.560 This was a multi-pronged plan to detain prisoners indefinitely,

00:06:44.180 to carry out torture on some of them,

00:06:47.300 which at the time were called enhanced interrogation techniques,

00:06:50.740 and to either render or extraordinarily render others.

00:06:57.460 Things were changing here in America, too.

00:07:00.040 The 9-11 Commission recommended creating a new super spy

00:07:03.400 called the Director of National Intelligence

00:07:05.380 and placing that person inside the White House.

00:07:08.300 They insisted on expanding the TSA,

00:07:10.780 which now degrades millions of innocent air travelers

00:07:13.520 with full body scans, pat-downs, luggage screenings,

00:07:17.020 and multiple unconstitutional searches

00:07:18.920 every time they enter an airport.

00:07:20.860 The explanation for these changes was that they would keep America safe.

00:07:24.340 But most of the intelligence that was gathered from detainees

00:07:27.200 was obtained through illegal torture,

00:07:29.440 justified by a 2002 DOJ torture memo,

00:07:32.880 which greenlit the use of waterboarding,

00:07:35.400 stress positions, sleep deprivation,

00:07:37.820 and small space confinement for interrogations.

00:07:40.720 Think of it this way.

00:07:41.980 In 1946, we executed Japanese soldiers

00:07:47.040 who had waterboarded American prisoners of war, right?

00:07:50.800 Waterboarding was a death penalty crime.

00:07:55.280 In January of 1968,

00:07:58.820 the Washington Post ran a front-page photograph

00:08:01.320 of an American soldier waterboarding a North Vietnamese prisoner.

00:08:04.500 On the morning that that picture was published,

00:08:07.800 the Secretary of Defense, Robert S. McNamara,

00:08:10.120 ordered an investigation.

00:08:11.820 The soldier was arrested.

00:08:13.820 He was charged with torture.

00:08:15.500 He was convicted.

00:08:16.280 and sentenced to 20 years at hard labor

00:08:20.160 at Fort Leavenworth.

00:08:22.560 The law never changed.

00:08:25.200 But somehow, in 2002, like magic,

00:08:29.240 the George W. Bush administration's attorneys

00:08:31.520 at the Justice Department,

00:08:33.080 the CIA,

00:08:34.060 and the National Security Council

00:08:35.620 decided,

00:08:36.420 we didn't have to pay any attention to that law.

00:08:39.760 And because we were the good guys,

00:08:41.660 we could do anything we wanted.

00:08:43.940 And that's how the torture program came to be.

00:08:46.900 The CIA set up secret black sites

00:08:48.800 to conduct torture around the world.

00:08:50.780 There were sites in Afghanistan,

00:08:52.160 Poland, Romania, Thailand,

00:08:53.720 and many other countries.

00:08:55.080 Many of these places were so secret

00:08:57.660 that the presidents and prime ministers

00:09:00.860 of the countries that they were in

00:09:02.440 had no idea

00:09:03.600 that there was a secret CIA prison in their country.

00:09:06.420 These were handshake deals

00:09:07.940 between George Tenet,

00:09:09.880 the director of the CIA,

00:09:11.020 and whoever happened to be director

00:09:12.740 of the intelligence service

00:09:14.980 in those countries.

00:09:16.580 And the reason why there were so many of them

00:09:18.280 was not because we had so many prisoners

00:09:21.140 that we needed multiple locations.

00:09:24.180 It's that word was bound to leak out

00:09:27.180 that these places existed.

00:09:29.580 And so if word leaked out about prison A,

00:09:33.160 well, by then,

00:09:34.040 all the prisoners had been moved to prison B.

00:09:36.840 Most of what we know

00:09:37.740 about the Al-Qaeda plans for 9-11

00:09:40.080 was obtained through torture.

00:09:41.360 The part of the commission's report

00:09:42.880 that talks about the plot,

00:09:45.180 the actual story of how the hijackers met,

00:09:48.700 how the plan was devised,

00:09:51.240 comes from, quote-unquote,

00:09:54.320 questioning of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

00:09:56.580 and Ramzi bin al-Sheib,

00:09:58.260 who were two detainees

00:10:00.060 that were in custody.

00:10:02.200 It was based on torture.

00:10:03.400 Anyone who knows anything about torture

00:10:05.200 knows that any information gleaned

00:10:07.380 through torture is not reliable,

00:10:09.220 it's not credible.

00:10:10.180 The CIA knew full well

00:10:11.600 that the information it was gathering

00:10:13.080 wasn't credible.

00:10:14.140 Detainees made false confessions

00:10:15.820 under pressure.

00:10:17.060 Those detainees included 9-11

00:10:18.560 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

00:10:20.720 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is probably

00:10:22.160 the best example here.

00:10:23.940 He confessed to, for example,

00:10:26.400 murdering Daniel Pearl.

00:10:27.860 Daniel Pearl was a Wall Street Journal reporter

00:10:32.240 who came to Pakistan in early 2002.

00:10:35.280 He was there to meet with a Pakistani extremist

00:10:39.600 with whom he had been emailing

00:10:41.620 for about six months.

00:10:43.100 He went on to do the interview

00:10:44.660 and months later,

00:10:46.860 his head was found in a vacant lot

00:10:49.300 and his torso was found

00:10:50.400 on the other side of town.

00:10:52.360 Well, we know who killed Daniel Pearl.

00:10:55.440 He was arrested.

00:10:56.280 He confessed.

00:10:58.420 He pointed the Pakistani authorities 0.97

00:11:00.620 to Daniel Pearl's torso

00:11:02.820 and he was sentenced to life in prison.

00:11:05.940 But Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,

00:11:07.940 during torture at the hands of CIA officers,

00:11:11.340 also confessed to killing Daniel Pearl.

00:11:14.960 We knew he didn't kill Daniel Pearl,

00:11:17.420 but the torture was so severe,

00:11:19.880 he was telling his CIA interviewers,

00:11:23.080 interrogators,

00:11:23.780 anything that he thought they wanted to hear

00:11:26.300 just to get them to stop torturing him.

00:11:29.440 What was true and what wasn't true?

00:11:31.800 We'll never know the answer to that question.

00:11:33.980 But remarkably,

00:11:34.920 many details of the CIA's torture program

00:11:37.000 are still not publicly acknowledged.

00:11:38.760 They're still secret.

00:11:40.320 Waterboarding has received

00:11:42.240 the most media attention.

00:11:43.820 It's actually quite simple.

00:11:45.160 You strap a prisoner to a board.

00:11:47.200 His feet and legs are elevated

00:11:51.020 compared to his face.

00:11:53.860 Cloth or burlap or something 0.84

00:11:57.380 is put in his mouth

00:11:59.140 to keep him from drowning.

00:12:01.120 And while his head is immobilized,

00:12:03.080 water is poured on his mouth.

00:12:04.680 So, of course,

00:12:05.380 water is going to get through the cloth

00:12:07.580 and get down your throat 0.98

00:12:08.620 and it makes you feel like you're drowning.

00:12:10.800 It causes panic.

00:12:12.060 You tense your muscles

00:12:13.780 to the point where it becomes painful.

00:12:16.380 And in the case of one prisoner,

00:12:18.400 Abu Zubaydah,

00:12:19.180 Zayn al-Abidin Muhammad Hussein,

00:12:21.960 he actually did drown.

00:12:24.700 His heart stopped beating

00:12:25.960 and he had to be revived

00:12:27.760 by a CIA doctor performing CPR

00:12:29.960 so that he could be tortured more.

00:12:32.420 I never thought waterboarding

00:12:33.500 was the worst technique.

00:12:34.600 I thought that there were others

00:12:35.600 that were worse.

00:12:37.120 Now, the easiest technique

00:12:38.420 was called the attention grasp.

00:12:42.300 You grab somebody by the shirt

00:12:43.840 and say,

00:12:44.640 answer my questions.

00:12:46.320 That's not torture.

00:12:47.820 The second one was

00:12:49.360 a slap on the belly

00:12:51.200 called the belly slap.

00:12:52.740 It makes a cracking sound.

00:12:54.380 It's a little bit humiliating.

00:12:55.660 It leaves a handprint.

00:12:56.980 It's probably not torture.

00:12:58.680 The third one was a slap across the face.

00:13:02.680 That's humiliating.

00:13:03.860 But again,

00:13:05.180 reasonable people can agree

00:13:06.300 to disagree about

00:13:07.360 whether it's torture.

00:13:08.460 But then they got

00:13:09.220 progressively worse.

00:13:11.660 The next one was called walling,

00:13:13.860 where you roll a towel

00:13:16.700 and put the towel

00:13:18.300 around the prisoner's neck

00:13:20.060 and then you slam him repeatedly 0.95

00:13:22.140 into a plywood wall.

00:13:23.980 The plywood has a little bit of give

00:13:25.800 and the towel ensures

00:13:28.240 that the prisoner

00:13:28.960 doesn't get whiplash.

00:13:30.600 But the CIA never used a towel

00:13:33.520 and the wall was made out of concrete block.

00:13:36.640 And so they did such damage

00:13:40.720 to prisoners

00:13:41.540 that several of them

00:13:43.000 have permanent traumatic brain injury

00:13:45.740 and are unable to participate

00:13:48.180 in their own defenses.

00:13:49.480 The Justice Department never said

00:13:50.980 you could smash somebody's head

00:13:52.860 against a concrete wall 1.00

00:13:54.160 until his brain was jelly.

00:13:55.880 But that's exactly what the CIA did.

00:13:57.880 There were others that were even worse.

00:14:00.720 One was called the cold cell

00:14:02.860 where a prisoner is stripped naked.

00:14:05.760 He's chained to an eye bolt

00:14:07.320 in the ceiling

00:14:08.240 so he can't get comfortable.

00:14:10.320 He can't sit or kneel or lay.

00:14:12.520 He's standing 24 hours a day.

00:14:14.940 The cell is chilled

00:14:15.960 to 50 degrees Fahrenheit

00:14:17.480 and then every hour

00:14:18.800 a CIA officer goes into the cell

00:14:20.940 and throws a bucket of ice water on him.

00:14:22.940 Now we murdered prisoners 0.52

00:14:25.760 using that technique. 0.93

00:14:27.220 And again,

00:14:27.880 the Justice Department never said

00:14:29.580 feel free to just murder these people 0.98

00:14:31.660 by freezing them to death 1.00

00:14:33.100 and giving them hypothermia.

00:14:35.000 That's exactly what the CIA did.

00:14:36.900 There was another one

00:14:37.840 that was actually quite controversial

00:14:39.520 and that was sleep deprivation.

00:14:41.380 In the now unclassified legal memo

00:14:43.120 in which Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

00:14:45.260 signed off on counter-resistance techniques

00:14:47.640 at Gitmo in interrogations,

00:14:49.620 Rumsfeld responded

00:14:50.640 to the sleep deprivation technique

00:14:52.300 by saying

00:14:52.800 I stand at my desk

00:14:54.140 for 8 to 10 hours a day.

00:14:55.980 Why is standing limited for 4 hours?

00:14:58.700 But the CIA wasn't talking

00:15:00.120 about keeping people awake

00:15:01.860 at their stand-up desks

00:15:02.920 for 24 hours.

00:15:04.140 What they would do

00:15:04.780 to these prisoners is again 0.99

00:15:06.000 strip them naked, 1.00

00:15:08.060 chain them to an eye bolt 1.00

00:15:09.640 in the ceiling

00:15:10.240 with industrial strength

00:15:12.440 lights on them

00:15:13.380 24 hours a day

00:15:14.560 and death metal

00:15:16.300 blasting at a volume of 11

00:15:19.300 24 hours a day.

00:15:21.540 They went crazy

00:15:23.920 after a few days of that

00:15:25.520 and then just began to die.

00:15:27.920 Publicly,

00:15:28.440 the Bush administration

00:15:29.180 pretended none of this was happening.

00:15:31.000 They lied.

00:15:31.520 This government

00:15:32.020 does not torture people.

00:15:34.440 I said to my wife,

00:15:36.020 who was also a senior CIA officer, 1.00

00:15:38.260 he is a bald-faced liar. 1.00

00:15:40.600 He is looking the American people 1.00

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00:19:09.100 I will say,

00:19:09.740 first.

00:19:10.200 In October of 2001,

00:19:13.120 a CIA officer,

00:19:14.340 and it's still unclear

00:19:15.420 after all those years

00:19:16.820 who that person was,

00:19:19.100 introduced

00:19:19.600 two outside psychologists,

00:19:23.520 James Mitchell

00:19:24.120 and Bruce Jessen

00:19:24.960 to the director

00:19:26.580 of the CIA.

00:19:27.760 And they pitched to him

00:19:29.240 over this dinner

00:19:30.400 their idea

00:19:32.620 of enhanced

00:19:33.580 interrogation techniques.

00:19:35.500 They wrote this up

00:19:37.040 as a memo

00:19:37.680 that was referred

00:19:38.400 to the CIA's

00:19:39.320 covert action staff.

00:19:40.820 The covert action staff

00:19:42.000 approved it

00:19:42.660 and sent it

00:19:43.580 to the CIA

00:19:44.140 general counsel's office.

00:19:45.360 The general counsel

00:19:46.540 liked the idea

00:19:47.640 and sent it

00:19:48.620 to the office

00:19:49.460 of legal counsel

00:19:50.260 at the Justice Department.

00:19:52.360 They approved it

00:19:53.560 despite the fact

00:19:55.160 that torture

00:19:56.080 was specifically

00:19:57.580 outlawed

00:19:58.760 from 1945.

00:20:01.480 They approved it

00:20:02.900 and sent it

00:20:03.840 to the National

00:20:04.440 Security Council

00:20:05.760 general counsel.

00:20:07.540 After his signature,

00:20:09.420 it went to

00:20:10.320 National Security Advisor

00:20:11.720 Condoleezza Rice.

00:20:13.280 And after Rice approved it,

00:20:15.840 it went to the president.

00:20:17.320 And as soon as

00:20:18.140 the president signed it,

00:20:19.940 the CIA began

00:20:21.020 torturing its prisoners.

00:20:22.780 At its peak,

00:20:24.220 Guantanamo Bay

00:20:24.940 held 780 detainees.

00:20:27.180 I remember at the time

00:20:28.460 thinking,

00:20:29.700 you know,

00:20:30.320 these guys have been

00:20:31.280 in Guantanamo

00:20:32.000 for a long time

00:20:33.300 and we're not hearing

00:20:34.040 anything about trials

00:20:35.400 or jury selection

00:20:36.960 or federal charges

00:20:38.920 or anything.

00:20:39.880 And a colleague said to me,

00:20:41.460 oh,

00:20:42.240 the vice president

00:20:43.080 nixed that.

00:20:44.240 It was vice president

00:20:45.180 Dick Cheney

00:20:45.860 who decided

00:20:48.260 or realized

00:20:49.480 or concluded

00:20:50.460 that while at Guantanamo,

00:20:52.820 these men

00:20:53.260 had no rights.

00:20:54.840 To this day,

00:20:55.600 almost none of them

00:20:56.480 has been charged

00:20:57.200 with a crime.

00:20:58.080 The vast majority

00:20:58.840 of them are innocent.

00:21:00.420 Upwards of 80

00:21:01.380 or 85%

00:21:02.540 of the people

00:21:03.080 that we had

00:21:03.680 at Guantanamo

00:21:04.440 were innocent people

00:21:05.780 who were scooped up

00:21:07.000 in these dragnets.

00:21:08.460 Most of them

00:21:09.160 were Afghan citizens

00:21:11.340 or Pakistani citizens

00:21:12.700 who were involved

00:21:14.300 in disputes

00:21:15.260 with neighbors.

00:21:15.940 maybe they had

00:21:18.360 loaned money

00:21:18.880 to a neighbor

00:21:19.380 and the neighbor

00:21:19.780 didn't want to pay it back.

00:21:21.160 So he would call

00:21:21.860 the Americans

00:21:22.400 and say,

00:21:23.000 hey,

00:21:23.200 my neighbor

00:21:23.700 is Al-Qaeda.

00:21:26.280 The U.S. Army

00:21:27.260 or the CIA

00:21:28.540 grabs the guy,

00:21:29.880 puts him on a flight

00:21:30.600 to Guantanamo

00:21:31.360 and nobody ever

00:21:31.960 sees him again.

00:21:32.880 On December 10, 2007,

00:21:34.660 John Kiriakou

00:21:35.380 became a whistleblower.

00:21:36.880 He told ABC News

00:21:38.140 about the torture policies.

00:21:39.300 In an interview

00:21:40.140 with the ABC News,

00:21:41.320 I said that the CIA

00:21:42.520 was torturing its prisoners,

00:21:43.720 that torture was official

00:21:45.900 U.S. government policy.

00:21:47.600 It was not the result

00:21:48.720 of a rogue

00:21:49.300 and that the policy

00:21:50.840 had been personally

00:21:51.940 approved by the president.

00:21:53.520 The government

00:21:54.000 responded immediately

00:21:55.060 with viciousness

00:21:56.100 and ferocity.

00:21:57.220 They treated Kiriakou

00:21:58.220 much tougher

00:21:58.940 than the Clinton administration

00:21:59.960 had ever treated

00:22:00.640 Osama bin Laden.

00:22:01.960 Within 24 hours,

00:22:03.340 the CIA filed a document

00:22:05.260 with the FBI

00:22:06.480 called a crimes report

00:22:07.840 saying that I had

00:22:09.440 disclosed

00:22:10.540 classified information

00:22:12.200 to the media.

00:22:14.960 That's a crime

00:22:16.040 under the Espionage Act.

00:22:18.320 The FBI investigated me

00:22:20.100 from December of 2007

00:22:22.040 until December of 2008.

00:22:24.380 And in December of 2008,

00:22:25.900 they sent my attorneys

00:22:26.820 something called

00:22:27.740 a declination letter,

00:22:29.080 declining to prosecute me.

00:22:30.960 They said that

00:22:32.240 torture was a crime

00:22:34.060 and that we have

00:22:36.420 a law in the United States

00:22:38.040 that says you cannot

00:22:39.800 classify a crime

00:22:41.860 for the purpose

00:22:42.980 of keeping the information

00:22:44.200 from the American people.

00:22:46.020 And so,

00:22:46.860 I was not charged

00:22:48.100 with a crime.

00:22:49.680 Three weeks later,

00:22:51.420 Barack Obama

00:22:52.080 became president

00:22:53.040 and he named

00:22:54.100 John Brennan

00:22:54.860 Deputy National Security Advisor

00:22:56.960 for Counterterrorism.

00:22:59.040 John Brennan

00:22:59.960 was one of the godfathers

00:23:01.500 of the CIA's

00:23:02.860 torture program.

00:23:03.600 And he sent a memo

00:23:06.400 to Eric Holder

00:23:08.300 saying,

00:23:10.200 charge him with espionage.

00:23:12.640 Eric Holder wrote back

00:23:13.920 and said,

00:23:14.800 my people don't think

00:23:15.800 he committed espionage.

00:23:17.660 And Brennan wrote back

00:23:19.480 again to Holder saying,

00:23:20.980 charge him anyway

00:23:21.720 and make him defend himself.

00:23:23.980 I had no idea

00:23:25.420 that my phones were tapped,

00:23:28.080 that my emails

00:23:29.360 were being intercepted,

00:23:30.600 or that teams

00:23:31.760 of FBI agents

00:23:32.980 were following me

00:23:33.940 everywhere I went

00:23:35.220 for the next three years.

00:23:39.160 And finally,

00:23:40.180 in January of 2012,

00:23:42.500 I was arrested

00:23:43.840 by the FBI

00:23:44.780 and charged

00:23:45.880 with five felonies,

00:23:47.660 including three counts

00:23:48.900 of espionage,

00:23:50.240 which in many cases

00:23:51.440 is a death penalty charge.

00:23:54.080 In the end,

00:23:55.120 Kirikou was the only person

00:23:57.060 at CIA to go to prison

00:23:58.440 for anything

00:23:59.560 related to 9-11.

00:24:01.240 His crime?

00:24:02.140 Telling the truth

00:24:02.940 about what the CIA

00:24:03.780 was doing.

00:24:04.800 In fact,

00:24:05.440 despite the CIA's

00:24:06.400 previously unknown role

00:24:07.760 in recruiting the hijackers

00:24:09.360 and their relentless

00:24:10.420 stonewalling

00:24:11.460 to the 9-11 commission,

00:24:13.260 the CIA was,

00:24:14.260 on net,

00:24:15.000 maybe the biggest winner

00:24:16.120 from 9-11.

00:24:17.120 In a perverse way,

00:24:18.280 9-11 is one of the best things

00:24:20.040 that ever happened

00:24:20.720 to the CIA

00:24:21.380 for a number of reasons.

00:24:22.760 In the immediate aftermath

00:24:23.720 of 9-11,

00:24:24.540 CIA Director Tennant

00:24:25.500 offered a novel approach

00:24:27.040 to taking out the Taliban.

00:24:28.620 Just use the CIA.

00:24:29.920 And it worked.

00:24:30.720 The CIA was the first 1.00

00:24:31.880 U.S. agency

00:24:32.780 to deploy to Afghanistan

00:24:34.060 that year.

00:24:35.060 A paramilitary team

00:24:36.240 called Jawbreaker

00:24:37.260 arrived in Afghanistan

00:24:38.440 on September 26, 2001.

00:24:41.180 The first handful of teams

00:24:43.800 that were sent to Afghanistan

00:24:45.380 were sent there specifically

00:24:47.100 to liaise with

00:24:49.040 the Northern Alliance

00:24:50.000 to push the Taliban

00:24:51.580 out of power

00:24:53.040 and to capture

00:24:54.380 or kill 1.00

00:24:55.320 every Al-Qaeda fighter 1.00

00:24:57.500 they could encounter.

00:24:58.900 That extended then

00:25:00.460 to Pakistan

00:25:01.840 by the end of the year,

00:25:03.740 2001.

00:25:04.840 The context here

00:25:05.540 is important.

00:25:06.320 After the end

00:25:06.820 of the Cold War,

00:25:07.540 it wasn't exactly clear

00:25:08.440 what the CIA would do.

00:25:10.040 They'd spent 40 years

00:25:11.120 fighting the Soviets.

00:25:12.400 What next?

00:25:13.220 In the mid-90s,

00:25:15.160 President Bill Clinton,

00:25:16.220 who was really no fan

00:25:17.320 of the CIA,

00:25:18.400 cut the CIA's budget.

00:25:19.580 And that was the first time

00:25:21.000 that the CIA

00:25:21.880 had had a budget cut

00:25:23.160 since the Carter administration

00:25:25.220 in the late 1970s.

00:25:27.340 On the day after 9-11,

00:25:29.900 the CIA got

00:25:31.680 a budget supplement

00:25:35.780 of 10 figures.

00:25:42.620 The amount is still classified,

00:25:44.820 but I actually went up

00:25:46.620 to the counterterrorism center chief,

00:25:50.800 Kofar Black at the time.

00:25:52.260 This was about five,

00:25:53.400 six days after 9-11.

00:25:54.580 And I said,

00:25:54.940 Kofar, I have an idea

00:25:55.780 for an operation

00:25:56.480 that I want to put past you.

00:25:57.760 And he put up his hands

00:25:58.700 and he said,

00:25:59.460 whatever it is,

00:26:00.600 just do it.

00:26:01.780 I have so much money,

00:26:03.280 I can't possibly spend it all.

00:26:06.680 So we all began

00:26:07.800 flying business class

00:26:09.180 all over the world.

00:26:10.720 There are famous stories

00:26:11.820 of CIA officers

00:26:13.000 throwing sacks of money

00:26:15.480 out of the side

00:26:16.360 of helicopters

00:26:17.040 which gave rise

00:26:18.280 to a joke

00:26:19.020 at the agency

00:26:19.820 that you can't

00:26:21.780 buy an Afghan warlord, 0.82

00:26:23.720 but you can certainly

00:26:24.540 rent one.

00:26:26.120 And that's what

00:26:26.720 we were doing.

00:26:27.540 The CIA provided

00:26:28.280 millions of dollars

00:26:29.360 in direct cash payment

00:26:30.760 to anti-Taliban groups,

00:26:32.160 along with weapons

00:26:33.000 and communications support.

00:26:34.500 By November 2001,

00:26:36.280 it was the CIA's

00:26:37.300 Special Activities Division,

00:26:38.600 not the U.S. military,

00:26:39.740 that had taken Kabul

00:26:40.820 and the fortress

00:26:41.580 called Mazar-i-Sharif.

00:26:43.300 The CIA targeted bin Laden

00:26:44.740 as early as December 2001.

00:26:47.040 But as was so often the case

00:26:48.760 during the tenure

00:26:49.380 of George Tenet,

00:26:50.380 the CIA failed

00:26:51.240 to capture bin Laden.

00:26:52.660 Tenet became CIA director

00:26:53.840 in 1997,

00:26:55.060 just as bin Laden 0.95

00:26:56.060 was issuing

00:26:56.580 his first fatwa

00:26:57.740 against the United States.

00:26:59.320 A leader with integrity

00:27:00.340 would have resigned

00:27:01.220 in shame

00:27:01.960 after missing obvious warnings

00:27:03.580 about a major attack.

00:27:05.400 But Tenet had no shame.

00:27:07.420 The additional resources

00:27:08.560 and powers the CIA received

00:27:10.200 did not lead

00:27:10.880 to better outcomes.

00:27:12.040 On March 20th, 2003,

00:27:13.660 the U.S. invaded Iraq.

00:27:15.260 It did so based

00:27:15.960 on false intelligence

00:27:17.100 that came from,

00:27:18.680 yes,

00:27:19.500 the CIA run

00:27:20.840 by George Tenet.

00:27:22.180 The United States

00:27:23.640 knows that Iraq 1.00

00:27:25.140 has weapons

00:27:25.860 of mass destruction.

00:27:27.280 It was all lies.

00:27:28.560 But in Washington,

00:27:29.940 failure is seen

00:27:30.700 as success

00:27:31.400 and rewarded.

00:27:32.780 By 2015,

00:27:33.680 the CIA's public budget

00:27:34.980 had risen

00:27:35.660 to $15 billion,

00:27:37.860 500% higher

00:27:39.340 than it was

00:27:39.900 in the mid-1990s

00:27:41.020 when they were fighting

00:27:41.940 for post-Cold War relevance.

00:27:43.920 And by the way,

00:27:44.680 that's simply

00:27:45.240 the public budget.

00:27:46.480 Much of CIA's funding

00:27:47.520 remains classified.

00:27:49.440 The FBI was also rewarded

00:27:51.360 for failing

00:27:51.880 to protect America.

00:27:53.100 By 2023,

00:27:54.100 the FBI's budget

00:27:54.880 was almost $11 billion.

00:27:56.820 That's up from

00:27:57.620 $3.3 billion

00:27:58.760 the year of the 9-11 attacks.

00:28:00.580 But none of it

00:28:01.400 made America safer.

00:28:02.960 Before 9-11,

00:28:05.140 Silicon Valley

00:28:06.040 had the highest concentration

00:28:08.120 of millionaires

00:28:09.380 anywhere in America.

00:28:11.420 But post-9-11,

00:28:13.480 Washington, D.C.

00:28:14.600 has the highest concentration

00:28:16.100 of millionaires

00:28:16.820 anywhere in America.

00:28:18.280 And it's because

00:28:19.220 Congress

00:28:20.160 put so many billions

00:28:22.880 upon billions

00:28:23.900 of dollars

00:28:24.520 in counterterrorism

00:28:26.360 and in intelligence,

00:28:28.880 including in

00:28:29.980 literally thousands

00:28:31.500 of federal contractors

00:28:33.760 called Beltway Bandits,

00:28:35.900 that everybody got rich.

00:28:38.120 After the attacks,

00:28:39.580 the FBI radically shifted

00:28:41.080 agent resources

00:28:42.040 to its top priorities.

00:28:43.700 Those were counterterrorism

00:28:44.800 and counterintelligence

00:28:45.660 and cybercrime.

00:28:46.840 Traditional crime fighting

00:28:48.020 took a backseat.

00:28:50.000 The FBI's drug program

00:28:51.520 has sustained by far

00:28:53.000 the largest reduction

00:28:53.960 in the FBI agent workforce,

00:28:55.720 about 550 positions,

00:28:57.660 or more than 80%

00:28:59.100 of the non-supervisory

00:29:00.560 field agents

00:29:01.280 who are permanently reprogrammed.

00:29:03.700 Not surprisingly,

00:29:04.920 this reduction

00:29:05.680 in drug fighting

00:29:06.840 aligned with the deadliest

00:29:08.100 drug epidemic

00:29:08.960 in American history.

00:29:10.300 More than a million

00:29:10.940 Americans died. 0.99

00:29:12.300 I am not only

00:29:13.920 not a conspiracy theorist,

00:29:15.780 I'm about as far away

00:29:17.880 from being a conspiracy theorist

00:29:20.140 as a person can be.

00:29:22.260 But I'm also a realist,

00:29:24.300 and I made the first half

00:29:26.000 of my career at the CIA

00:29:27.100 as an analyst.

00:29:28.740 And to come to

00:29:29.840 an analytic judgment,

00:29:30.860 you have to look

00:29:32.100 at the evidence.

00:29:33.680 Well, the evidence

00:29:34.860 surrounding 9-11

00:29:36.160 says that there is

00:29:38.040 a far greater story there

00:29:40.900 than we have been

00:29:42.840 led to believe.

00:29:44.280 Many of the people

00:29:45.060 involved in this story

00:29:46.500 should be in prison today.

00:29:48.380 But of course,

00:29:48.820 they're not.

00:29:49.360 That's the real story

00:29:50.520 of 9-11.

00:29:52.080 It's the story

00:29:52.780 of winners and losers.

00:29:54.640 On the day of the attacks,

00:29:56.300 the losers

00:29:56.800 were the 2,977 civilians

00:29:59.700 who were murdered.

00:30:00.600 It was the children

00:30:01.220 who found out their parents

00:30:02.100 weren't coming home.

00:30:03.360 The New Yorkers

00:30:04.080 who witnessed the smoke

00:30:05.180 rising from their city.

00:30:07.160 It was the firemen

00:30:07.980 and cops 0.82

00:30:08.480 who rushed into the towers

00:30:09.560 to save those trapped

00:30:10.780 inside and died.

00:30:12.620 In the aftermath

00:30:13.220 of the attack, 0.80

00:30:13.940 the losers

00:30:14.300 were the nearly 7,000

00:30:15.860 U.S. service members

00:30:17.020 who were killed

00:30:17.680 in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:30:19.380 And the 52,000

00:30:20.420 who were wounded

00:30:20.920 in action there. 0.99

00:30:22.220 The losers 1.00

00:30:22.660 of the American people, 0.99

00:30:23.680 the rest of us,

00:30:24.340 who lived in a country

00:30:25.100 permanently transformed,

00:30:26.960 stripped of its fundamental

00:30:27.820 constitutional rights,

00:30:28.860 were $7 trillion poor

00:30:30.900 with nothing to show for it.

00:30:32.340 Abroad, 0.99

00:30:32.920 the losers 0.53

00:30:33.380 were even more numerous.

00:30:35.120 Nearly 5 million people

00:30:36.960 were killed

00:30:37.460 in the post-9-11 wars,

00:30:38.800 most of them civilians.

00:30:39.620 Entire countries

00:30:40.260 were destroyed.

00:30:40.820 The world was destabilized.

00:30:42.300 And then there were

00:30:42.700 the winners.

00:30:43.580 In the immediate aftermath

00:30:44.620 of the attacks,

00:30:45.540 President George W. Bush

00:30:46.780 enjoyed the highest

00:30:47.720 approval ratings

00:30:48.420 in the history

00:30:49.220 of modern politics.

00:30:51.660 He leveraged that popularity

00:30:53.260 to launch a decade

00:30:54.520 of regime change wars.

00:30:55.920 In 2002,

00:30:57.200 he defied the odds

00:30:58.340 in the midterm elections

00:30:59.260 and expanded his party's

00:31:00.780 majority in the Congress.

00:31:02.200 In 2004,

00:31:03.100 he became the first

00:31:03.960 Republican presidential candidate

00:31:05.260 in decades to win re-election

00:31:06.880 with a majority

00:31:07.820 of the popular vote.

00:31:08.820 When Bush arrived

00:31:09.680 in office in 2000,

00:31:11.400 he was worth

00:31:11.840 about $20 million.

00:31:13.360 Today,

00:31:14.060 some estimates say

00:31:14.760 he's worth

00:31:15.260 more than $50 million.

00:31:16.660 Bush lives in Texas today.

00:31:18.300 He spends most of his time

00:31:19.300 painting and riding his bike.

00:31:21.880 National Security Advisor

00:31:23.200 Condoleezza Rice,

00:31:24.180 who spent most of 2001

00:31:25.860 ignoring the steady stream

00:31:27.580 of very clear warnings

00:31:28.800 about an imminent terror attack,

00:31:30.380 got a promotion.

00:31:31.340 In 2005,

00:31:32.240 she became the Secretary of State.

00:31:34.160 She received the overwhelming support

00:31:35.520 from the United States Senate.

00:31:36.820 Since then,

00:31:37.460 Rice has enriched herself

00:31:38.620 by serving on numerous

00:31:39.820 corporate boards

00:31:40.660 and is director

00:31:41.720 of the Hoover Institution

00:31:42.980 at Stanford University,

00:31:44.300 where she is a professor.

00:31:45.660 Disgraced CIA Director

00:31:46.920 George Tenet, meanwhile,

00:31:48.020 retired from the CIA

00:31:49.100 in 2004,

00:31:50.180 about a year after

00:31:51.080 he provoked

00:31:51.560 the invasion of Iraq.

00:31:52.920 He got a sinecure

00:31:53.720 as a professor

00:31:54.260 at Georgetown University,

00:31:55.520 not surprisingly.

00:31:56.380 He authored multiple books

00:31:57.640 and,

00:31:58.720 as so many in the CIA do,

00:32:00.400 he joined the board of directors

00:32:01.600 of multiple defense contractors.

00:32:03.600 Tenet also spent

00:32:04.440 more than a decade

00:32:05.340 at an investment bank.

00:32:06.860 After leaving the CIA,

00:32:08.000 he was awarded

00:32:08.460 a Presidential Medal of Freedom

00:32:10.200 by George W. Bush.

00:32:11.500 That's the nation's

00:32:12.140 highest civilian honor.

00:32:13.880 John Brennan,

00:32:14.660 the Saudi station chief

00:32:15.880 who helped the hijackers

00:32:17.000 get their passports,

00:32:18.220 blocked Alex Station

00:32:19.300 from getting basic

00:32:20.300 biographical details

00:32:21.460 about Osama Bin Laden,

00:32:22.620 and personally worked

00:32:23.940 to ensure that

00:32:25.120 John Kiriakou

00:32:25.980 ended up going to prison

00:32:27.200 for telling the truth

00:32:28.160 about what the CIA was doing,

00:32:29.620 ended up running the CIA itself.

00:32:31.520 He was appointed

00:32:32.040 by Barack Obama

00:32:32.920 to be director.

00:32:33.900 While running the CIA,

00:32:35.180 Brennan was caught

00:32:35.940 hacking the computers

00:32:37.160 of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

00:32:38.760 Brennan lied about that

00:32:39.960 and never faced consequences

00:32:41.260 for that lie.

00:32:42.140 After leaving the CIA,

00:32:43.320 he played a central role

00:32:44.420 in the Russiagate hoax

00:32:45.580 that dominated

00:32:46.200 Donald Trump's first term.

00:32:47.340 He obtained a sinecure

00:32:48.500 at the University of Texas

00:32:49.520 and became an MSNBC contributor.

00:32:52.000 Kofor Black,

00:32:52.720 who ran the counterterrorism center,

00:32:54.600 left the public sector

00:32:55.540 for a successful career

00:32:56.580 as a defense contractor.

00:32:58.040 In 2017,

00:32:59.240 maybe inevitably,

00:33:00.500 he joined Hunter Biden

00:33:01.580 on the board of Burisma,

00:33:02.840 the Ukrainian gas company.

00:33:04.200 Paul Wolfowitz,

00:33:05.180 the Pentagon official

00:33:05.980 who began calling

00:33:06.880 for an invasion of Iraq

00:33:08.060 just hours after the 9-11 attacks,

00:33:10.420 ended up getting the war he wanted.

00:33:12.140 He also got a promotion.

00:33:13.760 In 2005,

00:33:14.500 Paul Wolfowitz

00:33:15.380 became the president

00:33:16.380 of the World Bank.

00:33:17.380 He resigned two years later

00:33:18.880 during a corruption scandal.

00:33:20.220 In 2016,

00:33:21.280 Paul Wolfowitz

00:33:21.960 endorsed Hillary Clinton.

00:33:23.540 And finally,

00:33:24.020 there's Philip Zelikow,

00:33:25.340 the man behind

00:33:26.220 the dishonest commission report.

00:33:28.020 After finishing his time

00:33:29.120 as executive director

00:33:30.020 of the commission,

00:33:30.720 Zelikow got what he always wanted,

00:33:32.560 more power.

00:33:33.420 His good friend,

00:33:34.200 Condoleezza Rice,

00:33:35.360 rewarded him

00:33:36.240 for the work he did

00:33:37.020 on the commission.

00:33:38.220 Zelikow became

00:33:39.060 counselor of the State Department,

00:33:40.820 where he acted as Rice's deputy.

00:33:42.760 He has since served

00:33:43.620 on too many boards to mention.

00:33:45.180 He's also served

00:33:45.960 as an advisor

00:33:46.760 to the Obama administration

00:33:48.080 and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

00:33:50.660 Zelikow is a professor

00:33:51.640 at the University of Virginia,

00:33:53.160 where he served as dean

00:33:54.220 of the graduate school.

00:33:55.480 His work on the commission

00:33:56.420 masterfully avoided

00:33:57.540 any form of accountability

00:33:58.680 or blame for the attacks.

00:34:00.520 It was,

00:34:01.040 from beginning to end,

00:34:02.220 a lie.

00:34:03.020 In the end,

00:34:03.700 Zelikow blamed 0.98

00:34:04.440 the government's failures

00:34:05.360 on a failure of imagination.

00:34:07.900 Not surprisingly,

00:34:09.300 imagination has never

00:34:10.320 been indicted for it.

00:34:11.540 It's been more than 20 years now,

00:34:12.960 and we still don't know

00:34:13.620 the simple truth

00:34:14.560 about 9-11.

00:34:15.940 But we can know.

00:34:17.420 A new commission

00:34:18.100 could find out.

00:34:19.020 An honest commission,

00:34:20.280 a nonpartisan commission,

00:34:21.800 a commission dedicated

00:34:22.980 to protecting the United States

00:34:24.440 could find out.

00:34:26.040 It could answer the questions

00:34:27.020 that have hung in the air

00:34:27.880 since that day.

00:34:29.400 What role did

00:34:30.300 John Brennan play

00:34:31.580 in facilitating the attacks?

00:34:33.580 Why did he seem

00:34:34.300 to be working

00:34:34.840 for the hijackers?

00:34:36.600 What CIA official

00:34:37.980 made the decision

00:34:39.100 to attempt to recruit

00:34:40.100 those hijackers?

00:34:40.960 Why did the Bush administration

00:34:42.940 ignore dozens

00:34:44.960 of clear warning signs?

00:34:47.100 Why did the Clinton administration

00:34:48.560 repeatedly refuse

00:34:50.020 to kill or capture

00:34:51.120 Osama bin Laden?

00:34:52.640 Who made the decision

00:34:53.900 to ship the rubble

00:34:55.300 from 9-11

00:34:56.100 off Manhattan

00:34:57.260 and out of the country

00:34:58.420 before an investigation

00:34:59.220 could be done?

00:35:00.760 Why did Tower 7 collapse

00:35:02.860 even though it was hit

00:35:04.380 by no airplane?

00:35:06.540 What's in the NSA files

00:35:08.180 that the commission

00:35:08.760 never bothered to check?

00:35:11.200 Which investors

00:35:12.440 profited from the attacks?

00:35:13.820 The government knows

00:35:14.600 the name of the investor

00:35:15.700 who profited from the attacks.

00:35:17.100 Who knew they were coming?

00:35:18.400 Why haven't they told us?

00:35:20.420 And in the end,

00:35:21.400 who benefited most

00:35:22.760 from 9-11?

00:35:24.620 What foreign countries

00:35:26.160 benefited from 9-11?

00:35:28.020 What did foreign intel services

00:35:29.580 know about the attacks

00:35:30.540 before they happened?

00:35:32.240 A commission could find

00:35:33.520 these answers.

00:35:34.760 That commission would have

00:35:35.580 broad subpoena power,

00:35:37.040 enough funding and personnel

00:35:38.160 to get those answers.

00:35:39.400 After more than 20 years,

00:35:41.300 the American people

00:35:41.860 have a right,

00:35:42.600 an absolute right

00:35:43.600 to those answers.

00:35:44.320 They should be outraged

00:35:45.180 by the lying

00:35:45.800 and they should demand

00:35:47.160 to know what actually happened

00:35:48.760 on September 11th.

00:35:50.340 This episode concludes

00:35:56.340 the 9-11 files.

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00:36:03.980 in this nation

00:36:04.480 that was totally transformed

00:36:05.340 by 9-11,

00:36:06.540 deserve to know

00:36:07.200 why it happened

00:36:08.420 and what exactly happened

00:36:10.160 on that day.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - October 21, 2025

The 9⧸11 Files： From Tragedy to Tyranny ｜ Ep 5

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