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00:00:34.520 Owen Benjamin, thank you for doing this. Thank you for coming all this way. I've interviewed,

00:00:38.380 I don't know how many people who've been canceled. I had a whole franchise interviewing people who've

00:00:42.020 been canceled. I'm kind of over it, except in your case, you have the most amazing cancellation

00:00:48.120 story, both because you were, I think, really the first big name, the first blue check on Twitter

00:00:53.120 to get kicked off Twitter,

00:00:54.140 but also because of what happened after.

00:00:56.500 So I know this is probably tedious for you,

00:00:57.980 but it's, I think, really interesting for others.

00:00:59.880 If you could just go through what happened,

00:01:01.420 where you were in your life,

00:01:03.020 how that life ended, and what happened next.

00:01:05.580 Yeah, and thanks for having me.

00:01:06.700 Oh my gosh.

00:01:06.920 This has been a blast.

00:01:08.060 Thank you, me too.

00:01:09.180 So I was doing comedy in Los Angeles.

00:01:11.780 Like, I started as a piano player.

00:01:13.520 My dad sang opera.

00:01:14.860 He taught rhetoric, you know,

00:01:16.660 like just basically how to speak

00:01:18.060 in a way that's interesting to people.

00:01:19.820 You were a piano player?

00:01:21.120 Yeah, I started when I was like

00:01:22.380 two or three years old and i i still teach piano like classical piano wow not jazz piano not jazz

00:01:30.400 piano no that's that's unspeakable i have a jazz uh friend who's really into jazz and i'm like why

00:01:37.920 do you enjoy breaking the rules that make things beautiful it's a funny relationship but and so

00:01:44.040 like i think with that musical background my mom taught children's literature it like kind of

00:01:48.620 created a comedian in a way that's a craft like i wasn't you know seeking fame or like a lot of

00:01:57.500 comedians can just be like kind of spilling everything on stage like approve of me you know

00:02:01.600 and i i was all about just doing that craft properly and so i incorporated music with it

00:02:06.980 i go to los angeles i get on the show punked i um you know i do comedy central specials adam

00:02:13.880 Sandler puts me in some movies I become like a one of the leads of a sitcom Vince Vaughn who I

00:02:19.020 love uh produced it and we went on the road together like I'm having a great uh time out

00:02:24.040 there as a stand-up as a stand-up yeah and an actor like but more based around my personality

00:02:29.020 like I'm not one of those I can be a a French prince guy you know yeah like I can't be like

00:02:34.940 who am I today you know and so I'm I'm having this this life and I never really thought about

00:02:42.060 a lot of these issues. Like I didn't think politics were anything, you know, I just avoided

00:02:47.260 all of that. I just autistically focused on my craft. You were not in your personal life,

00:02:51.400 like talking about politics at dinner. No, I was just, I was just trying to do my job as best as

00:02:56.360 possible. Like I was very just job oriented where I was just always creating and writing and trying

00:03:01.660 to do the best joke. And then I saw what was happening in comedy where, you know, the concept

00:03:06.720 of a bad word like a word carries like uh intention right like that's insane like you

00:03:13.860 can't put human consciousness in an object right just like a gun kills people no a person kills

00:03:19.480 people right you can kill someone with a minivan filled with lollipops you know what I mean

00:03:23.140 yes yeah exactly and so the idea that a word without intention is wrong or that a group can't

00:03:30.200 be made fun of was so twisted but I was just kind of rolling with it because comedy for me is a way

00:03:36.160 to discharge stress yes like if you avoid a group that's actually very cruel you know comedy's a

00:03:42.500 pressure relief valve yes yeah like people build up trauma in their life and the joke allows you

00:03:48.820 with the laughter to look at it and deal with it right versus like i'm not a like i'm not a tear

00:03:54.280 you down comedian it might sound like it but it's more like it's more like a way to help someone see

00:04:01.300 something like relationship, like help them communicate or help all this stuff. And so I

00:04:05.980 took it very seriously. Ironically, I took comedy very seriously where I would, I would try and help

00:04:12.040 a couple, you know, by doing relationship jokes and then they get along better. And then they,

00:04:17.020 you know, I had this very loyal people because of that. You know, I was never like, I want to

00:04:21.320 humiliate you. Right. Right. And so when I was a heckler to Renaissance festival in high school,

00:04:25.900 that was my job. What is it? What does that even mean? I was the dude in the stocks and I would 0.67

00:04:30.260 make fun of people and they'd pay to throw tomatoes at me actually nine hours a day yeah and a gypsy 1.00

00:04:35.860 would take the money and i and i learned that you don't attack based on what i believe it's what 0.77

00:04:41.340 where their pride is you were paid to be a heckler at a renaissance festival yeah like you know at

00:04:46.580 renaissance fairs you have like the prisoner in the stocks and he's like just making fun of people

00:04:51.300 and that was me that was like my job did people actually hit you with tomatoes yeah but if i got

00:04:56.440 them properly mentally they couldn't aim properly they'd throw into the ground it was really

00:05:00.640 interesting and so like a really really fat guy you don't call fat he doesn't care it's like a

00:05:06.380 guy like me who eats too many cookies because he has four kids like i'd spiral right it's like

00:05:11.120 where the pride is i totally agree yeah like if someone's like if someone made fun of me for my 0.61

00:05:16.640 pants not being like designer enough i'd be like you're gay right like i wouldn't even care

00:05:21.900 but like if they made fun of the things that i have like issues with you know and so i would 0.67

00:05:26.700 look at people and i think that all the time i try to find their pride right yes and so that even

00:05:32.940 though i could be a little harsh it was actually good for them and so i'd get a bigger crowd than

00:05:37.220 the the joust like that was always my goal you know the joust that have this joust going and

00:05:42.440 i'm like i gotta beat that joust because it became this show where like because i wouldn't

00:05:46.940 attack women i just overly compliment women because that would be the way to get the guy

00:05:51.280 yes yeah because you don't just you never attack a woman it's like oh your wife is so beautiful

00:05:55.980 like are you at work all day right and so she's having fun with the tomatoes he has to get it you

00:06:01.940 know and i do it to everyone so they knew it wasn't personal right and that's why i have to

00:06:07.000 make fun of every identity like when they say you can't make fun of black people or jewish people

00:06:12.020 whatever i'm like then i can't make fun of muslims or christians like i i have to have everyone or

00:06:17.020 else i'm a mercenary yeah because you believe in universal principles is that exactly yeah and

00:06:22.540 it's like i i can't show favoritism and ironically that's how i i believe it's very cruel to do that

00:06:28.660 like where it's you know like i i would come up with like veteran jokes for my veteran friends

00:06:33.620 or like wheelchair jokes for my wheelchair it's like if not they're like subhuman it's like oh 0.52

00:06:38.860 don't say anything to him he can't handle it right like i would feel horrible if someone was

00:06:44.540 imagine if all the guys were riffing and they're like don't make fun of owen he's like very weak 0.79

00:06:48.840 and dumb you're like what no you can make fun of me and so i'm from like the honor culture of like

00:06:54.780 you make fun of weakness and you get stronger and you build bonds yes i am too so i saw that 0.99

00:06:59.460 happening in la and it it was it was obama's second term i think something happened second

00:07:04.260 term when people double down i agree right i've noticed yes yeah yeah when they're like they're

00:07:08.620 just ghost riding and i'm like at that point you can either be like this didn't turn out the way

00:07:13.420 we thought or they're like they just tunnel vision and become insane i saw that with the left

00:07:19.560 in hollywood then right and you can kind of see that happening now yeah kind of right where you're

00:07:24.800 like uh remember that whole epstein thing the war thing and people are just like no this is even

00:07:29.940 better that was the obama thing when you know at first it was like oh this guy's gonna stop racism

00:07:35.920 and he's so peaceful right and then when that wasn't the thing they'd be like the word family

00:07:41.080 as a slur you know and i saw that but i was uh even in your world even among comics you saw that

00:07:47.260 yeah i would see the same okay like sarah silverman that became this like super intense 0.50

00:07:52.220 she used to have this hilarious joke she goes i saw the movie 300 it was how gay it was out of 10 0.68

00:07:58.760 like funny right yeah very imagine her doing that like all of a sudden those people like all those 0.62

00:08:04.500 hardcore liberal types they they were once somewhat funny and then boom it was all gone

00:08:09.700 everything's serious everything's about victim consciousness and i was like this what's funny

00:08:15.980 about and i saw this one special where this girl was just talking about like being raped and she

00:08:20.420 was like she was like i was raped and people are laughing she's like don't laugh i'm like dude this

00:08:25.580 is nuts right like you want to give victims relief you know exactly like that's not helping victim

00:08:32.080 you know it's important to know that whatever you're going through is pretty common because

00:08:36.600 we're all people exactly so when you when someone is really distressed it's helpful to say to that

00:08:42.400 or when you're really distressed it's helpful for someone to say you know i've been through this i

00:08:45.360 know someone's been through it like people go through this like it's going to be fine or not

00:08:48.520 you're going to go to heaven in the end or whatever but to put their suffering in perspective

00:08:52.720 is relief for them that's what how to sweat a wizard it's like one of the main things is

00:08:56.840 isolation like you're the only one thinking yes yeah and so that's the role of the comedian is

00:09:01.840 like you know like the fight between a man and a woman where she had a bad dream about you right

00:09:06.740 stuff like that you know it's like they'll laugh wait that's happened to other people right exactly

00:09:12.000 exactly you cheated on me in my dream i was laughing with can uh i was tweet like we're 0.99

00:09:17.280 just going back and forth with candace owens about that when everyone was freaking out about her

00:09:20.780 dream i'm like do they not know women have dreams and take them very seriously that's every woman

00:09:25.900 i have dreams about like spiders and clouds and stuff like they have like these specific

00:09:31.140 oh i know they carry over into the day oh yeah so anyway like um but then what happened with me

00:09:38.460 like when i took the jester hat off and i'd never done that because i was always seen as like the

00:09:43.640 likable guy that you could parachute in with any culture and i'd fit in and make them laugh and

00:09:48.420 stuff was the trans kid thing like that's when i snapped out of that whole thing because i was 0.52

00:09:54.940 always more like libertarian looking at gay stuff and you know even like abortion I never really 0.93

00:10:03.020 thought about it I was just like oh yeah if somebody's like raped like who are you to you

00:10:08.120 know I just didn't force them to have a baby I never I never gotten anyone pregnant I never

00:10:12.240 thought about it and I just couldn't believe that somebody would lie about that right like 0.85

00:10:16.680 that's crazy yeah and so saying a kid is trans was like I was like what it was like a nightmare I 0.97

00:10:24.780 was like no this is like a nightmare like a kid can't consent to anything and trans implies 0.81

00:10:29.080 sexuality you know i'm like i play classical music and i own a pink shirt like am i a girl 0.93

00:10:34.380 you know right so i'm like so what exactly is a girl i'm like so you're talking about like

00:10:40.600 sexuality in a way right like you are a girl with female genitals now and so as that started

00:10:47.020 unfolding i start i go to twitter and i'm repped at caa you know i'm like i was like in those 0.53

00:10:53.380 worlds. I was hosting, you know, award shows honoring DiCaprio, and like I was in that realm.

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00:12:04.320 slash Tucker. It is absolutely the best. I wasn't like a celebrity, but my picture was on the wall

00:12:10.660 next to Chris Rocks. I was seen as like a strong craftsman at comedy. I was writing sitcoms. I was

00:12:16.480 a writer and you know and i was like guys this is actually like super evil and i so publicly i'm

00:12:22.700 just like this one guy guys this is super evil one guy that was on npr he was like saying he was

00:12:28.720 saying her about his like five-year-old and i started and so he was like people knew him and

00:12:34.480 stuff and i just started writing to him i'm like like publicly i'm like dude you're totally abusing

00:12:38.900 your kid right like that's abuse and then i just start going i get tunnel vision right i'm just

00:12:44.980 like and so that started this whole thing i had oh and oh i forgot to tell you i'd already left la

00:12:50.160 because i had uh a child and i wanted to be around family and my brother lived in saranac lake and i

00:12:55.660 just i knew i could i could do it there i didn't need to be in a city i didn't want to be in a

00:13:00.080 place with dead people on the street you know yes and so i was still at caa i was still getting

00:13:05.100 deals and working on stuff but i'm sure you know you see the world differently when you actually

00:13:09.660 live in real america oh totally different you know like oh man like seeing like the vet that's

00:13:15.740 actually fought the war and to see the people on the fentanyl you know what i mean it's like

00:13:19.820 it's a totally different experience it's like the it's like the the buddha first leaving the castle

00:13:25.200 and seeing that yeah i literally felt that way you know in hollywood you just don't see it they're

00:13:30.260 just like and then you're like dude no we need guns to like kill a coyote that just killed my

00:13:35.360 chickens like you don't know what a chicken is do you no it doesn't begin life as a nugget no 0.96

00:13:41.360 dude people don't know where onions come from it's insane dude that don't even give a start

00:13:46.980 so anyway so i'm there and so i start this all starts happening and i i had like college tours

00:13:53.820 booked you know i was about to do yukon and looking back it's you're way overpaid for that

00:13:59.480 stuff like i now realize that the it's funny money coming from strange places but like

00:14:03.340 um they my agent at caa was like they just canceled and the next one just canceled and

00:14:09.520 they said because i'm a man of hate right because the trans kid thing and on twitter

00:14:14.400 just from twitter yeah and so then my agent drops me uh your agent dropped you no i was

00:14:21.720 no longer at caa my manager also dropped me everyone just starts alienating themselves

00:14:26.560 from how did they explain that decision well i will shout out my manager he was the one guy

00:14:31.160 that didn't moralize it he was just like buddy I don't know what to do man like all these guys

00:14:36.140 are calling me I'm like okay versus like what you've done is just so evil I'm like bro I've

00:14:42.260 seen you do ketamine on a toilet like like you're not gonna judge me man and I'm like kids are

00:14:49.000 innocent like I know children are innocent same with the abortion thing as soon as my wife her

00:14:52.760 belly started growing I'm like oh my god I'm like that's a life man right yes so I'm so 0.51

00:15:00.980 all these things starts changing and so uh i'm like okay you know i'm wait did you actually get

00:15:07.280 a moral lecture from a ca agent i got it from like all these people like people i won't even

00:15:12.460 say names because i just like to avoid that stuff but people are texting me like what did you do

00:15:17.700 because people in like writers rooms and like high up circles are like basically saying like

00:15:24.060 owen's out like it was like boom boom boom like people that i've been in their wedding where i

00:15:30.100 had to wear a freaking yarmulke to be at the wedding or calling me a man of hate right

00:15:33.740 and i'm like guys it's me and i thought it was this horrible misunderstanding and so some people

00:15:40.520 uh i actually got a lot of support even from a lot of like the neocon uh type and so that's like

00:15:46.340 so that kind of tried picked me up you know like the dennis praggers and all those guys

00:15:50.540 you must have felt like your life was falling apart it was falling apart the irony though and

00:15:54.200 this is the theme of the whole thing is i'm with my brother i'm doing tree work like like a veteran

00:15:58.500 that had like you know killed a lot of people was like we called it treehab because he got off

00:16:04.740 opiates like doing hard work you know like toiling as we were talking about and uh and my life is

00:16:11.080 actually going great but i still think it's going horrible right yes like i'm feeling you know i we

00:16:17.940 just got a chicken like i can't believe like my son like i'm looking at this miracle me and my

00:16:23.800 wife are close but yet i've lost everything and that's such a spell right like think about it like

00:16:30.140 think about people that have had horrible thoughts of like you know like despair i've lost everything

00:16:36.020 but it's like dollars right i know that's that sucks but breath taste your love like you've lost

00:16:42.860 nothing you know what i mean and so the the dead wood just started burning and all the and out of

00:16:48.200 nowhere like i thought i was you know dying on a hill and all these people just came and supported

00:16:53.340 right? And I was like, wow. And so I start, I still tour and I start renting theaters. I'm like,

00:16:59.500 I don't need anyone to book my theaters. You know, I'm like, let's do this. And then they

00:17:03.580 started all canceling. Independent theaters. Independent theaters. So this is what, so it was

00:17:09.600 like, oh, the free market. I was like, oh no, like I can sell out. I have, I've never been accused of

00:17:16.200 a misdemeanor, right? Like what did I, the trans kid thing, but like the word had went out, like

00:17:20.480 you got to start going at this dude's pocketbook and so now I'm like I'm working more with the

00:17:24.860 neocon types because they're well who do you I mean this is an organized effort against you

00:17:29.340 yeah absolutely this is not organic who was organizing it do you know 1.00

00:17:32.520 I mean I have some theories but you don't you don't actually know for sure I know the

00:17:40.400 motivations every time I think I know for sure it switches a little so now I try to not it's not

00:17:46.380 because i'm like worried to say i can't really figure it out it's almost like a swarm yes it's

00:17:51.620 like a behavior where they're signaling that sounds even crazier but no i've seen it yeah

00:17:56.520 it's like a it's like a like a behavior like a fractal yes and there's no one really in charge

00:18:02.780 right it's like a conspiracy of like-minded temperament because like from my background

00:18:08.680 i'm like who did this to me yes there's no one there because who would really do that it's like

00:18:14.700 a collective evil yes and everyone's just doing their little thing with their behavior and it's

00:18:20.740 all based on these spells and so it took me a little while to figure that out because at first

00:18:25.440 i'm like it's the democrats and then it's like oh it's the this it's the that it's i went through 0.99

00:18:30.040 the muslim thing all the muslims yeah china it's ccp oh yeah man it's these damn chinese people 0.95

00:18:36.540 that made my phone you know i'm like all these contradictions and then i realized you know it's 0.97

00:18:42.100 like it's the jews but i know this cool jew right and then i had to come up with a term called deli

00:18:46.560 jews you know the one that take all the blame even though they're like nice and they're just 0.80

00:18:51.020 kind of complaining about their broken air conditioner you know i'm like who is it and 1.00

00:18:55.800 then i'm like it's a behavior it's a spirit it got me much more like actually faithful yes i mean

00:19:02.440 because i was like i don't have conventional ways of describing this so then i start working with

00:19:09.420 more the the traditional conservative types are you melting down emotionally at this point

00:19:14.660 i mean you you move to la from upstate new york i have a huge chip on my shoulder and i'm very

00:19:21.740 defensive yes yeah so i'm like looking back the things that i would change i don't want to change

00:19:27.520 anything because it all led to this to that to that but like if it was me now uh i i would know

00:19:33.060 that i wasn't in the danger i thought i was and people weren't actually as threatening because i

00:19:38.860 would see people as like a threat to me like you're trying to destroy me yes and so i would react i've

00:19:44.100 been there i would react emotionally and react more like personally and now i'm just like dude 0.98

00:19:49.200 that's when the the power of forgiveness stuff is so real where you're like oh man like that sucks

00:19:54.200 where you're at you know yes and so that is my that was me melting down where it was like

00:19:59.160 where it was like emotional yes but looking back it doesn't i'm never like we have to kill people

00:20:06.300 or none of that stuff, like zero.

00:20:08.040 I wasn't like, I was actually getting less into alcohol.

00:20:12.660 Like I was, it was like,

00:20:13.540 because I felt like it was a weakness.

00:20:15.300 Like, cause the Hollywood in my hometown,

00:20:18.100 like the culture is just,

00:20:19.180 you just drink to land the plane, you know?

00:20:21.320 Yeah.

00:20:21.760 And now I'm doing these live streams

00:20:23.400 and I realized that,

00:20:24.600 cause I was always like a happy drink guy. 0.98

00:20:26.260 Like I wasn't the dark drinker guy.

00:20:27.740 I was always like,

00:20:28.500 my first special was called High Five Till It Hurts, right?

00:20:30.720 I was that guy.

00:20:31.620 Yeah.

00:20:32.440 But like, I could tell that it would make me a little less-

00:20:36.300 aware of what I'm doing and that I could feel like shame after from like going off too hard

00:20:42.020 on someone they could like use that emotion and so I actually start my personal life is getting

00:20:47.180 better which was crazy but it looks like I'm losing everything at the same time and so

00:20:52.820 now I'm on like this genuine truth journey and I'm you know I'm really thinking about did I

00:20:58.040 lose Jester's privilege because I took the trans thing so seriously but now I'm taking a lot I'm

00:21:03.080 like guys like family as well like like this is crazy the way this is going i see you know the 0.99

00:21:09.740 sackler family i call out i got a strike for hate speech because of that the sackler family who own

00:21:15.040 purdue pharma the right back then before the netflix special people didn't know because i'm

00:21:18.920 the who guy who's doing it and my friend you know that vet i told you about died and it was like so

00:21:24.320 sad how opiates you know despair it's despair is the is the sin despair is that's why like there's

00:21:30.760 people I'll go at I'm like if you spread despair you're basically poisoning people you know and uh

00:21:37.480 and so that is such a wise thing I've done a lot of despair spreading and I and I regret it oh me

00:21:45.020 too yeah but see telling the truth can come off as despair but it's still good like I like when

00:21:51.260 you do this stuff about who's doing what and what's going on yeah but I I think it can be too

00:21:55.620 much i mean it bums me out so i you know we're commanded not to despair exactly exactly there's

00:22:01.560 that that's when like that uh principle like those fundamentals kick in where there's been

00:22:06.760 times i'm like but i know like despair is a sin like that's like spitting in the face of a gift

00:22:12.680 right yes and it's like because that's how i feel about suicide i'm like that's the greatest like

00:22:17.540 that's so awful it's like it's like you're created you're given all of this and you're just

00:22:22.400 getting rid of it like it's like someone like your wife making you a beautiful dinner and you're just

00:22:27.700 like like that would be insane it's the same impulse though yeah so you get mad and you smash

00:22:32.860 something smash something yeah you're like i don't want it it's like no it's a gift it's beautiful

00:22:36.680 and that comes from like shame and all this stuff you know so so i'm i'm figuring all this stuff out

00:22:42.520 and then because the trans kid thing was why a lot of these neocon types gravitate towards me and

00:22:47.260 then i was like guys you're never going to guess where the pharmaceutical company is it's this

00:22:51.060 little country called israel right and they're like yeah it doesn't really matter where it is

00:22:56.300 and i'm like what's going on guys because i didn't even know what the deal was i'm like

00:23:01.300 who cares you know it's like why does that matter like we can't talk about that and then i'm like

00:23:05.860 oh you guys have your own little spells you're doing cost of living is already making it hard

00:23:10.760 to live here and it's not getting any better unfortunately it's likely to get worse and a

00:23:14.780 lot of americans fill the gap with credit cards not just for fancy dinners but to cover things

00:23:19.320 like groceries and bills.

00:23:21.520 That is a disaster.

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00:25:24.540 slash canada tucker and i and it's not like i'm some martyr i can't do comedy without truth like

00:25:32.340 i would lose the tether to my job yes you know like even without i was never like look at me i'm

00:25:39.260 saving the children like i was like if i don't stay in reality i can't bounce the joke off of

00:25:44.700 anything and i will crumble and be humiliated yes that's true i've seen it over and over again that's

00:25:50.860 why you got to stay grounded because like fame and money it's just energy right it's not good

00:25:57.180 or bad it's just energy and if you don't ground that like people go absolutely insane it's like

00:26:01.620 you know you've seen that over and over and over again in hollywood like you'll see these funny

00:26:06.260 comics they'll get these huge amounts of money they get in debt that's like the major thing and

00:26:11.520 then that's what makes them a slave because they get a huge amount of money but they also get in

00:26:15.680 debt exactly like let's say you get a million dollars uh they would get like a eight million

00:26:23.160 dollar house with the mortgage and so then they feel they have to go along with all these evil

00:26:28.200 things or else they'll lose everything because i kept seeing it because i'm like i know they're not

00:26:33.360 wicked you know there's a difference between sin and wickedness like like weakness which we all

00:26:38.600 have cookies emotions i'm with you yeah cookies and emotions actually nicely put yeah and like

00:26:47.020 wickedness is the hatred of beauty like wanting to destroy innocence blow up a dome right like

00:26:52.460 that's wicked where you're like you hate god versus like man i got hammered and just freaked

00:26:59.200 out again you know that's different because you know what is true and false yes so to lose the

00:27:04.600 tether of what is true and false is to like go it's like the callus like we don't feel the spirit

00:27:10.080 anymore and that to me was my nightmare so i'm like i can't do that so that's why i left the

00:27:16.580 my brother's town because i do this big big special everyone's pumped all the locals are

00:27:22.460 like man this is epic we can do comedy right here but it was like 900 people in the town

00:27:26.780 my special had like a thousand so that's very intimidating to local principalities oh yeah

00:27:32.240 and i'm like guys i don't and so one per one lady wanted me to apologize for a joke

00:27:37.200 and i wouldn't do it and and people are like my brother's friends are like come on man just

00:27:42.880 apologize like you know and i get it like when you're like a an alpha male in a region it's

00:27:47.460 like come on like keep everyone happy of course and i totally understand that i'm like guys i

00:27:53.160 can't apologize though because i'm not sorry and and i i'm like you know i'm not stubborn like i'll

00:27:59.520 roll with anything but like then my apology doesn't mean anything and i need that yes like

00:28:04.820 if i apologize i am sorry which i do do but if i'm not sorry then that's that's a form of usury

00:28:12.200 and then it doesn't mean anything right like i love that i can tell my wife i'm sorry and she

00:28:17.120 knows like if she doesn't believe me then my life spirals you know and so and so at that point so

00:28:24.140 we had to leave that that town and it was more just like a mercy and i'm like this can't really

00:28:29.620 work because i was like affecting you know my brother's life and and you know and so we went

00:28:36.180 to where my my wife's family is and so that that worked out better because what is your wife saying

00:28:40.720 at this point so she marries you you're this on the rise successful hollywood guy yeah yeah she

00:28:45.980 has your baby and you get canceled and then you have to you're on your third town yeah well that's

00:28:52.300 when you realize your wife loves you yes you know because you never really know as things are going

00:28:58.060 up it's so true yeah it's the same with debt it's like what is it warren bovett or something when

00:29:03.540 when the when the tide goes out you see he's wearing their underpants yeah and so at that

00:29:07.800 point i'm like wow you really do love me right because she's ride or die i mean she'll get

00:29:12.260 like if she's upset it's because of something real right yes like because i'm i'm bringing

00:29:18.500 my outdoor friends inside with a lot of ptsd right so you know and it's because they're like

00:29:23.860 yelling at two in the morning it's not you know what i mean it's all that that's totally

00:29:27.020 understandable that's why we came up with outdoor friends outdoor because i'm hanging out with like

00:29:30.680 a ton of vets at this point right and they're great guys but like you know wild swings oh yeah

00:29:36.100 and that's when i saw like a psychic wound like a moral wound what that looks like where

00:29:40.440 where at one moment you're like we have to like turn the middle east to glass well like they're

00:29:45.820 proud of their skill and then on another moment it's like man they're like just like us they like

00:29:51.540 have families you know and that chasm causes so much pain yes and that's it does and dude that's

00:29:57.440 where that like forgiveness is so important you see them ping-ponging back and forth that's the

00:30:01.400 pain right that's why i would like make fun of vets and non-vets you know a lot of these you know

00:30:08.260 people and NGOs are like how dare you attack our vets I'm like they're finally laughing yeah

00:30:14.100 because I would do this thing on veterans day I'd be like haven't you guys had enough you know I'm

00:30:20.120 like we give you so much you know I'm like if you really left it on the field it would be memorial

00:30:24.780 day and they're just laughing because they get idolized by the people starting the wars exactly

00:30:30.000 right and I know that in the most false way yeah and that's me as a comedian anytime people are

00:30:35.100 like man you're like you're like so awesome i'm like i'm not i'm good at this one thing but i have

00:30:40.160 a spotlight so you think that but please don't treat me like that like i'm not an idol because

00:30:45.060 that's a form of punishment too the pit and the pedestal yeah a lot of people don't realize the

00:30:50.080 pedestal is torturous you know you don't allow any flattery in your vicinity exactly exactly ever

00:30:57.260 when the pharisees come when they're about to kill jesus the the the trick is they go they're like 1.00

00:31:02.480 you're such a good guy you only tell the truth like they flatter him yeah i mean people tell 1.00

00:31:07.060 you're the reason i had a kid i'm like i'll pray i know all praise to god that's a protection yes

00:31:12.380 because if you're the reason for the good you're also the reason for the bad fair and it's like

00:31:17.040 we're not gods right so it's like that's the road like that's a horrifying road and so many people

00:31:22.760 like narcissism is that it's like truth comes from their emotions and that's why you're seeing

00:31:27.480 so much lying now can you explain that a little more fully yeah like my motto is i might be wrong

00:31:33.900 but i'm not lying yes it's my motto also actually i love that dude one of the one of the most

00:31:39.340 amazing things i saw you do and this is not flatter this is just a fact is when you said

00:31:43.340 you were wrong about the iraq war yeah because that is it's rare though that establishes truth

00:31:48.380 is outside of you yes yeah that's rare a lot of people they're like i i might be lying but i'm not

00:31:55.380 wrong right because they're like oh no it turns out that was all wrong but i was still right

00:32:01.860 because it's me like i saw that in physics because i had a physics podcast at caltech

00:32:06.340 with my buddy who's a nuclear physicist and dark matter i couldn't stop laughing when i realized

00:32:13.000 it so they have these gravitational equations and when it wasn't matching anything they said

00:32:17.860 oh there's dark matter and i'm like what's that they're like 95 of the universe you can't see

00:32:22.640 your measure and it's like most of the gravity and i'm like how do you know it exists they're like

00:32:27.120 i swear to god they're like because if not we'd be wrong and i'm like so you can't measure it

00:32:33.980 they're like no dark matter but it's there i'm like how do you know they're like because if not

00:32:40.000 then this is wrong like vox day published that he probably did a book of breaking down the math of

00:32:46.000 evolution is so bad because he's like one of those super geniuses vox is a great guy and uh

00:32:52.580 and it's so bad like the actual math of it like how you know just read the book probability zero

00:33:00.820 it's like it's like the like how long would it take for things to permeate like a mutation 0.69

00:33:05.420 permeate to the actual population and when you see how completely ridiculous it is I think they

00:33:13.700 have trauma where they're like well it can't be that or else like I put a square on my head and

00:33:18.140 brag to everyone and i my life is a lie right like the guy that changed your oil is actually

00:33:23.880 smarter than you oh yes well that's that's when the shame kicks in where they're like 0.96

00:33:27.780 i called all these people deplorable mouth breeders i tried to eliminate their population 0.61

00:33:32.860 and it turns out like they're way better at things yes when i found that out i was like wow 0.75

00:33:38.700 these guys are great right it's like that's the difference it's like you might feel some pain of

00:33:43.300 pride we have to make some phone calls right because i've been right or wrong about a million

00:33:47.840 things me too but it's like thank i like being wrong because i'm like oh it's usually better

00:33:52.960 than i thought always yeah exactly and it's such a burden lifted oh because you don't have to

00:33:58.480 pretend i hate when it's out yeah because when something's wrong out there it's like rippling

00:34:03.240 out and i'm trying to help people not ripple it out right it's almost like a disease yes

00:34:07.800 and you're stopping the spread yeah stopping the spread you know safe and effective

00:34:12.100 which is another claim that they couldn't walk back because their pride hung on it imagine but

00:34:19.400 the spell is safe for who and effective at what yeah exactly no yeah the assumptions is how they

00:34:25.020 get you know the more honor-based anglo-saxon germanic type cultures you know it's like

00:34:31.820 what can't be that no one's that crazy right right we don't like ask the follow-up question

00:34:37.480 it's too dark it's too dark yeah yeah it's like the chutzpah culture which can be very funny

00:34:43.160 where it's like you'll never guess this loophole i figured out you know we can redefine a word and

00:34:47.320 get all these free pencils yeah and it's like yeah but that's like the way i like to describe it is

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00:37:30.480 yeah it's it's like the famous russian proverb about you know that the peasants are given cows

00:37:37.120 and the first thing you do is you go kill your neighbor's cow right yeah yeah and it's a behavior

00:37:41.140 that's why i don't isolate it to one identity that's why i say like grappler or something yeah

00:37:45.140 because i see it in all populations yes i actually think it's a trap to say that like all evil

00:37:51.140 disseminates from one group that that's like one of the classics the the identity trap yes because

00:37:55.940 i see that with like a lot of the white guy stuff i'm like no i don't want to be defined by like we

00:38:01.960 need more of an arbitrary thing but we're still just going for greatness it's like right like i

00:38:08.280 see that with like worse yeah it's of course but so many people are falling for this it's like

00:38:12.040 oh no we just have to get all whites i'm like no we need all competent good moral and if there's 0.58

00:38:19.180 more of one group that's fine right of course yeah it's absurd it's a and it's in this exculpatory 0.69

00:38:25.880 that's why people love it because it's like i'm on the winning team no matter what i was telling

00:38:29.300 that to one of my like i have an israeli listener and we're laughing because i'm like you guys

00:38:34.660 remind me of american indian tribes i grew up with where it's like our nation right or wrong

00:38:38.780 i'm like that doesn't go well no it doesn't because you have to go for greatness or else 0.99

00:38:43.380 it becomes very you know you can't trust each other and he was laughing he's like it's so true 0.91

00:38:48.520 man it's like very tribal you know i'm like dude all the natives i know they're all like uh they're 1.00

00:38:54.120 drinking mouthwash man they're not doing great no no i shouldn't laugh no no it's true i've been 0.95

00:38:59.000 across my whole life like these are like close friends of mine some of the best athletes in the

00:39:03.260 world and then they just start drinking mouthwash and i'm like dude yeah yeah and that but that's

00:39:08.140 despair right that's what yeah because you can always get out and so so you wind up with the

00:39:14.340 um you're you're taken in by when you say the neocons like news organizations websites like

00:39:20.160 yeah like like the like the more daily wired crowd and gnolls and all and powder and all

00:39:25.500 those guys and i still have a soft spot for gnolls i think it's pretty you know gnolls i like

00:39:29.260 yeah me too yeah it's just the the ben shapiro's eyebrows really i mean it's just been getting a

00:39:34.320 little intense very yeah are those real i don't think so yeah prosthetic eyebrows i've never heard

00:39:40.920 of that that's some dark trolling yeah no like imagine just putting i mean he never had those

00:39:47.020 eyebrows and now he has them like you don't just grow eyebrow more eyebrows no no and the thickness

00:39:52.440 of them unless there's like some kind of propitia or something unless someone close to him is putting

00:39:57.980 Rogaine on his eyebrows yeah that would be pretty funny though no it wouldn't shock me but it's the

00:40:03.060 whole thing is weird um so you wind up in that world yeah yeah yeah and so because i was so happy

00:40:10.500 that they were willing to say the things

00:40:11.900 that Hollywood wouldn't say.

00:40:12.920 Yes, of course, me too.

00:40:14.260 Yeah, like seeing Crowder pray at a meal

00:40:16.540 like blew my mind.

00:40:17.520 I was like,

00:40:18.400 because I was just like so into that gratitude

00:40:21.040 because I love that stuff.

00:40:22.280 Like in Hollywood,

00:40:23.200 I even texted Vaughn this morning

00:40:24.980 about he was the one being like,

00:40:27.440 have kids and he made it funny.

00:40:29.280 And that really motivated me, you know,

00:40:31.400 because there's no voices in Hollywood

00:40:33.180 telling people to have kids.

00:40:34.560 It's always get a bigger house,

00:40:36.240 have more sex partners, 0.81

00:40:38.580 you know, get a bigger deal,

00:40:39.780 have a better car and vince is like baby gotta you gotta start making accounts stop pulling out

00:40:44.460 like a coward you know and i'm like okay and then every father's day i'm like dude that was so cool

00:40:50.280 you did that really it's fun and convinced you to have kids yeah and because it was always there

00:40:55.920 i just i like strong paternal leaders like i'm not i'm not this like hyper it's always me guy

00:41:03.000 i like teams i'm real big on like a guy i can look up to yes and so that's why in a world without

00:41:10.820 heroes this swarm hates heroes they hate inspiration that's why they don't like

00:41:14.880 architecture right yes because it makes you feel hope you're like oh wow that's beautiful tomorrow

00:41:20.400 will be a better day they're like oh we gotta we gotta burn that down yeah literally and it's sad

00:41:26.900 right it's like that's why i don't it doesn't get me angry now because i'm like imagine like i see

00:41:32.180 my kids that they can have like one bouncing ball they can have so much joy and i know people and

00:41:37.840 i'm sure you do too like on a giant yacht on all these designer drugs being praised and they're

00:41:44.440 thinking about jumping off the yacht yes i know many people and they they get and and they're

00:41:49.560 like if i was going to defend them i would say what they're thinking is i've i've done i've

00:41:54.300 sacrificed so much i've worked so hard i've humiliated myself and that dude on a pontoon

00:41:59.740 boat is so much happier yeah why right and then they get mad at god and that's why that's that

00:42:05.440 uh fractal where it's like god is wrong and so once they started realizing that the grand plan

00:42:11.860 is the good plan all these like little things started not scaring me you know and i'll have

00:42:18.540 stresses and all that little things like being bankrupted yeah no and then like to continue the

00:42:23.560 story so after that things got way crazier really yeah after you got rescued by the daily wire crowd

00:42:29.340 yeah when i started being like yeah because i started seeing that certain identities can be

00:42:34.320 liability shields when you're selling opioids you know yeah and same with the sex abuse stuff in

00:42:40.080 hollywood i was i was pointing out people and i didn't even put it together and someone called

00:42:45.180 me an anti-semite and i was like what do you mean that's like i didn't even think about that that's

00:42:49.960 why i did i did a whole tour called height supremacist because i was trying to i was like

00:42:54.460 i could do that with height right like yes oh only you know hail heitler and stuff and and so

00:43:00.500 that comedy you're six eight i should say that for people who can't tell and so i was like

00:43:04.060 dramatizing that like i could do that with anything like no i'm talking about the behavior

00:43:08.700 right like imagine if it's like oh you're just mad at five ten guys no it's a behavior and so

00:43:14.980 and so that i get kicked off paypal i get kicked off airbnb like in my airbnb yeah because they

00:43:22.580 want to take out your um your income oh so you had a rental property i had a rental because that

00:43:27.920 because i'm like a like i just keep going like i'm pretty upbeat you know it's like oh i can't

00:43:33.240 tour now so i'll do tree work with my brother and i'll rent out this house and we'll fix it up and

00:43:39.040 we'll learn about construction and all this stuff and so i got a letter from airbnb that that you

00:43:45.200 know i couldn't be on anymore because i was mocking the victims of sexual assault you know the joke

00:43:51.140 was so the me too movement comes out and i do a joke with dramatic irony where i'm like yeah so

00:43:57.140 i'm in la and i go there's one of these parades and i'm like ladies you might want to think of a

00:44:00.680 different slogan then and it's like well what do you mean so i do this long drawn out thing and i'm

00:44:05.160 like pound me too and so the whole joke is i think it's a pound sign and the joke's on me like i'm

00:44:10.260 the dumb guy right yeah so they said that i was mocking victims and i'm like no no they're laughing

00:44:15.720 because this Me Too thing 0.99

00:44:17.460 is like using them for their agenda.

00:44:20.120 Exactly.

00:44:20.800 Like I'm making fun of the wizard

00:44:22.260 and the wizards are the ones that get mad.

00:44:25.040 Like the people that hate conspiracy theorists

00:44:26.900 are conspirators, right?

00:44:30.300 It's so simple.

00:44:32.200 It's like, man, I hate-

00:44:33.560 I'm sorry, I just have to,

00:44:34.560 I just, cause I don't know,

00:44:36.160 people watch these on double speed.

00:44:37.420 I just want to,

00:44:37.980 I want to repeat what you said

00:44:38.900 cause it's so worth,

00:44:39.780 the people who hate conspiracy theories

00:44:41.960 are the conspirators.

00:44:43.180 Yes.

00:44:43.520 that is so good it's so true too it's like why else would you hate conspiracy theories

00:44:50.240 it's like man this conspiracy theorist i'm like you wouldn't happen to be currently doing a

00:44:55.620 conspiracy would you i don't know why that's never occurred to me this now the iq gap is

00:45:03.520 it's not even i'm just always around kids and animals so am i well animals at this point that's

00:45:09.780 So like, so I'm sorry, I keep interrupting you.

00:45:12.560 So I love it.

00:45:13.700 So how long did you remain in that world

00:45:18.040 in the Daily Wire adjacent world?

00:45:20.180 Well, I was like writing for Crowder for a while.

00:45:23.000 And yeah, it was more like

00:45:24.500 they would start getting weird with me

00:45:26.340 when I'd ask questions about

00:45:27.620 why we're not hanging on the moon.

00:45:29.540 I'd love to go up there one day.

00:45:30.800 You know, it's like those things

00:45:31.880 because I realized that it was,

00:45:34.100 that's their sacred cow, you know?

00:45:35.980 So Hollywood has abortion and all that stuff.

00:45:38.320 and so I'm like no it's just you're tolerant of all that stuff like I said Barack Obama stole

00:45:44.020 my bike and they're like oh that's clearly funny the left blah blah blah and I'm like

00:45:47.160 okay but I just did this joke about the size of someone's hat and now you're offended I'm like oh

00:45:53.220 so you have a you have like a team I'm like I almost felt like a middle ages executioner where

00:45:59.240 I couldn't live in the village you know I'm like I'm not on any of your teams man I can't because

00:46:04.700 As soon as I do, I will lose the tether.

00:46:06.960 I can't be a comedian.

00:46:08.380 Like the comedian, and I'm not against politics.

00:46:10.380 I understand institutions, they have to maintain that.

00:46:14.660 They can't be like me.

00:46:15.680 Like I just roam, you know?

00:46:17.700 Yes.

00:46:18.160 And so I respect, I learned that over the years

00:46:21.020 where I respect how like, you know,

00:46:23.760 religious institutions, political institutions,

00:46:25.780 they have to maintain their order.

00:46:28.120 Yes.

00:46:28.360 I can't be in one of those because of,

00:46:31.140 as soon as I see something,

00:46:32.440 if I don't like do the joke,

00:46:33.760 then I lose every like I lose the whole thing and so I'm like I'm just gonna be like in the woods

00:46:38.840 picking up rocks but okay so at what point did you decamp for the woods to pick up rocks well

00:46:47.160 the whole time I was slowly just oh that's a funny story so we go to where my wife's family is and

00:46:52.880 that's much better because I learned the lesson don't do stand up where you live right right fair

00:46:57.980 yeah because I didn't know I'm like oh this will be my job and now I'm like the whole thing is

00:47:02.420 family so I have these kids I don't want them to be like Owen Benjamin's kids yeah I'm like I want

00:47:07.520 you to like have great relationships with everybody and because a lot of times it's not even people

00:47:11.680 that are offended it's just power freaks people out you know where they just will look at them

00:47:16.320 and be like you know how can I you know I just wanted them to have their life yeah so I just

00:47:22.920 stopped doing I didn't do any stand-up in that area I will profile and that's great and then

00:47:28.400 covid kicks in right and so from the beginning i mean i did a joke about ebola in 2017 where i was

00:47:34.340 like oj simpsons killed more people than ebola like i'm just doing jokes like that just to lower

00:47:39.040 fear and i'm not a virologist but i'm like guys i have 16 friends that have died of opioids can

00:47:44.820 we ease up on the strange african situation you know i'm like despair is killing everyone but

00:47:51.180 sure let's watch outbreak again like this is ridiculous and i know a lot about mind control

00:47:56.660 stuff and uh that's why i wouldn't give one inch you know with the mask i wouldn't wear a mask and

00:48:02.880 again it's like apologizing for a joke they're like just wear the mask like come on and i'm like

00:48:07.620 that's that's the start of it right that's the dehumanizing start and then it's the next thing

00:48:12.960 and the next thing and the next thing right it's like that that star trek episode like

00:48:16.340 how many lights and he has to say the wrong answer remember that one of course there are

00:48:21.420 three lights and he was about to get rescued and they were trying to create this thing of despair

00:48:26.260 and so i was like in in that area where my wife is from was like very bougie type people that was

00:48:35.360 like everyone was wearing a mask you know and we had a community of like like-minded people and

00:48:40.040 they were fond for all of it and i'm like guys like you know because i from the beginning i

00:48:45.700 thought it was to cancel the olympics i'm like maybe it's a debt thing with japan like i never

00:48:49.420 thought it was a valid thing because of how it was being presented yes you know it's like you

00:48:54.120 get a free vax with donuts i'm like that's not a health thing you know i'm like bill gates you

00:49:01.460 don't want to take health advice from a guy who gets awards for lowering the world population

00:49:05.400 yeah no fair and that's why people that's why i got so to platform because these simple questions 0.99

00:49:10.760 just annihilate these spells like you're born gay i'm like so there are gay babies 0.98

00:49:15.760 and that alone everyone's like think about a gay there's no gay babies like that's a crazy thought 0.99

00:49:23.660 And so then you're like, oh, maybe it does have to do with like grooming and trauma and all this stuff.

00:49:28.900 And then you start being like, and you don't need to be defined by your sin and then work on it.

00:49:34.540 Like imagine if I was a cookie, like I'm a cookie guy, right?

00:49:39.120 Like I can't stop eating the cookies, right?

00:49:41.400 It's like they're saying your sin is good and that's your identity.

00:49:44.240 Yeah, because I make fun of-

00:49:46.020 You should have pride.

00:49:47.320 Pride in it.

00:49:48.260 First of the deadly sins.

00:49:49.520 And I wasn't a hypocrite. 0.97

00:49:50.660 like when guys talk like that about women i'm like that's like you're like a gay straight guy 0.85

00:49:55.680 right when it's like oh i just got another chick and this chick and this i'm like how about you 0.69

00:50:00.440 start like a like a legacy like children i'm like that's not good what you're doing like that's an

00:50:06.240 indulgence right yes yeah and that's why a lot of gay people privately are like i like that you're

00:50:11.240 not because a lot of them are motivated by how hypocritical people can be where they're like 0.98

00:50:15.660 how dare you gay guy but yet they're like you know using women for sex as if they're nothing 0.99

00:50:21.440 and and like throwing them away and all that stuff and so the fact that i was just like i had 0.99

00:50:27.100 a principle a lot of gay guys were like man i just i i like that you're like that because they

00:50:33.360 were seeing that they were being used by target and all this stuff and and so it's so interesting

00:50:38.460 behind the scenes how many people are actually not mad it's like this illusion yes i totally agree

00:50:44.300 i've experienced that my whole life yeah like they'll i mean they called me a racist for you

00:50:50.040 know i don't know a decade or something white supremacist i never had a single black person

00:50:54.640 get up my face never not one time in the airport sidewalk never one time it was only angry white

00:51:02.160 ladies it was interesting and you begin to realize like i don't know i'm not an expert on like black 0.66

00:51:06.940 public opinion but no one's ever not one time that's the that's the devil's joke it's like 0.96

00:51:15.140 i became more racial because of black rooms like i i didn't want to talk about race i want to talk 0.63

00:51:21.720 relationships dogs piano like yeah yeah that guy and i do cleveland 90 black on a wednesday where 0.61

00:51:28.600 there's like gang gangsters there and if i showed weakness i was dead yeah so like i learned that

00:51:36.100 And then I learned like the, the humor, like if you make, like I've made fun of gang bangers for

00:51:41.260 having diamond earrings, calling them princesses. They're dying laughing. We hang out after they're

00:51:45.800 telling me white people are created on an Island. And so we're like laughing, right? Like there's 0.55

00:51:49.580 nothing there. And, and then these like white ladies are like, Oh, how dare you? Like they're, 1.00

00:51:55.640 they're actually dehumanizing black people. They're like, you don't understand jokes. 1.00

00:51:59.820 they're like you give them a banana and a pat on the head no it's so great and i thought i was

00:52:07.100 going crazy i'm like they don't understand they don't they literally they can't have driver's

00:52:11.400 licenses this is too complicated they don't understand layers they're simple people give

00:52:16.220 them a rhythm yeah because you're robbing you're robbing them of it and dude a lot of black comedy

00:52:22.760 is the funniest because it's like it's got that honor aggression to it yeah what's it wait can

00:52:28.140 you define that honor aggression yeah like you're attacking weaknesses and others versus like

00:52:32.420 attacking beauty right you know it's like oh look at this dude this and then you're just like

00:52:37.820 you know like who do you think you are with these pants type thing right because you're attacking

00:52:41.580 vanity yes yeah and so i relate to that that's why i would relate to some like middle eastern 0.51

00:52:47.700 culture because it's a bedouin thing same with scottish people are like that too exactly right

00:52:52.400 you've named some of my the cultures i feel most comfortable yeah yeah it's it's it's because it's

00:52:56.540 like your herd will travel so you have to carry yourself properly everywhere you go versus just 0.99

00:53:02.520 a square that like daddy manages right yes yeah because like that's how hurting cultures survive 0.70

00:53:08.780 is like your honor your word allows or else it's constant war you know yes that's why like

00:53:15.220 comedians have to have honor culture because we travel and it's like you have to have your word

00:53:21.140 with the new people or else you'll not be able to make them laugh huh and so yeah i do like i just 0.58

00:53:28.180 get out of el paso i'm like making fun of hispanic crowds i'm doing that and then i'm just getting 0.92

00:53:32.300 these lectures from these ivory tower buffoons and so my thing was not just yelling at them 0.60

00:53:37.980 you know because i would get i would be like you're so wrong it's infuriating you know what 0.99

00:53:44.000 i mean it's like saying that this is an elephant you know it's like hiring a mechanic and then

00:53:48.880 lecturing them and then your car explodes and then blaming them and then kicking them off youtube

00:53:54.360 because your car exploded like it's like what and so this whole time i i have to keep building

00:54:01.620 alternatives because i'm now off paypal so now they're like oh why don't you just rent your own

00:54:06.980 theater if you don't have caa anymore i'm like great idea and i'll just sell tickets myself

00:54:11.500 paypal kicks me off i'm like why and that's why they had to get me off twitter and stuff first

00:54:17.400 because i couldn't tell like they didn't want me to be able to tell the villagers

00:54:20.180 so i mean i i've seen this happen to other people not really as comprehensively as it

00:54:27.180 happened to you my audience was so big and i was so early that they were like this has to stop

00:54:31.760 like immediately because i wasn't political i was like a child being like wait a minute you know

00:54:39.120 and they're like that's the thing that actually can dismantle stuff because if you come from a

00:54:43.960 tribe um people can just assume you're just doing it because exactly exactly and it was like almost

00:54:50.180 impossible with me they're like you're just doing it for clicks i'm like i can't even get clicks

00:54:55.220 right i'm like i'm not on youtube and that's why it always backfires because they they kicked me

00:55:01.800 off youtube like years ago now i i probably wouldn't even get they've like opened it up more

00:55:06.820 you know are you not on youtube still not on youtube yeah i did my own ladle.tv nine dollars

00:55:11.860 and 11 cents a month never forget no because i had to they're like i've done went down roads

00:55:18.400 where i was getting kicked off server farms and stuff it got yeah and that's were you calling for

00:55:23.580 violence never once no like they would put in writing like it was the me too joe that's why

00:55:29.420 they stopped even saying what it was because it would be so obvious like barack obama stole or

00:55:35.920 another one was uh david hogg can't tell me not to have guns he can't grow pubes they said i was

00:55:42.020 sexualizing a child and my that was what i got banned from twitter for meanwhile that child was

00:55:48.020 trying to change federal law well yeah because i know uh liability shields they're like they use

00:55:53.340 children to try and do their thing and say you can't attack a child i'm like and my whole thing

00:55:59.340 was you're not a man like you can't grow if i'd said chest hair they would have said i was

00:56:03.900 sexualizing a chest or like they have to just demonize demonize and so my whole thing was like

00:56:09.560 why are people believing this and it's because they just wanted they were dependent right they

00:56:13.740 want they just didn't want to lose that drip yes and so that's why i think guys like us have been

00:56:18.940 kind of set free oh yes it was like don't throw me in the briar patch right yeah it's like and i

00:56:24.360 didn't know it at the time but like i've realized that i didn't lose everything you know it's like

00:56:29.860 an illusion and so then it became like don't let anyone you actually did lose everything you lost 0.60

00:56:35.200 every world i got kicked out of a gay bar yeah imagine it's like oh you can't beat our gay bar 0.64

00:56:43.000 anymore and i'm like but that's the only bar i know i mean i'm not pumped everyone's gay but

00:56:46.460 that's my you know johnny's in the corner in the jukebox you know wham i'm not a big fan but like

00:56:51.120 i'll dance to it and then they kick you out and you're like oh my god i can just go somewhere out 0.77

00:56:55.880 i go to another bar where they're not gay and then i realize i don't want to go to a bar 0.95

00:56:59.320 right because that's the that's the trap that's why the despair i'm always like guys they're doing 0.98

00:57:05.740 an illusion it's wizardry like they're not winning because it it's the wizard of oz like you it's this

00:57:11.420 big illusion and it's not real you know that's why how did you okay because i had to i had to

00:57:19.820 yeah no you could have gone crazy no i love my wife i love my son like i felt duty yeah that was

00:57:26.260 it because i think about that i'm like because that does sound pretty cool like that i did that

00:57:30.740 but it's like and i'm not that guy i'm not like the guy that's first on tiktok i'm not that like

00:57:35.820 ambitious with the new thing or anything like i just i can autistically focus on piano scales

00:57:40.480 and comedy and it was because i couldn't let them down and that actually gave me a lot of love

00:57:46.100 because i was like i was a bit nihilistic never disparaged but i didn't know what i deserve but

00:57:52.200 my son i was like he's good you know yes and then i was like we were all that right and then i started

00:57:59.680 my life started changing i was like i'm not like a virus on the planet like i'm not you know like

00:58:06.220 we're like stewards of this like all the so many biblical principles i saw in reality happening

00:58:11.600 i'm like he's good like and as he kept growing and then my other sons i'm like they don't start

00:58:17.800 bad i'm like he's not hurting i'm like and so my protect i'm very protective of others yes way

00:58:25.580 more than myself me too and uh but i've learned to be more protective of myself like i'm feeding

00:58:30.340 my dog organic food and i'm eating goyslop you know it's like and i'm like why i just spent more

00:58:35.160 on my dog's food i'm like because i'm the guy that's trying to protect i'm like but we're good

00:58:40.280 too and then i i just i that's what did it and i i am smart and and work hard so like because i was

00:58:47.360 motivated by loving them, I could just innovate, you know, because if it wasn't for that, I would

00:58:52.580 just. But how do you continue to think clearly and not become obsessed with hatred toward the

00:58:58.140 people who are oppressing you? The community that was forming around me too, like people that I was

00:59:02.680 meeting that were so cool. Yeah. You know, like I'd be at these Hollywood parties where everyone's

00:59:07.300 famous and everyone's just trying to find a drug or something, you know, and I'm like, I'm seeing

00:59:11.700 these musicians. I thought music sucked and I'm meeting these musicians that are awesome. They

00:59:16.100 just are fixing cabinets or they're like you know they're like normal guys but the art didn't die

00:59:21.340 and then i realized after being kicked out of theaters and clubs that comedy can exist anywhere

00:59:26.000 and i was like starting to see that the world's i'd still get pissed off the thing that would

00:59:30.680 piss me off the most are despair guys yeah like as i'm trying to help they're they're trying to

00:59:37.280 tear me down like i'm not just gonna go at like a guy for being a sad little gay guy or something 0.81

00:59:42.960 right but like if they're trying to like if i'm trying to like rest you a drowning guy and they're 0.99

00:59:47.520 like he's drowning him i'm like you have to stop now i'm now attacking you you know were people

00:59:52.820 doing that to you yeah and i thought it was on just going to be the left with eight speed and

00:59:57.740 then i'd see people like and you know like people like like a nick flentes or guys like that like

01:00:02.480 they secretly go at people that try to inspire like explain that because people sometimes would

01:00:09.920 wonder like why are you attacking him you know like what are you are you a jew are you a secret

01:00:13.960 jew you know i'm like no he's spreading despair like he's saying fuenteses yeah like that having 0.95

01:00:19.760 a family's gay don't work out you know and then he would like come at me and like make fun of me

01:00:25.460 for saying get goats and grow a tomato you know and i'm like man like stop with that because it 0.98

01:00:30.940 affects people like people that look because you'll say base things like fuentes will be really

01:00:35.140 funny and like yes you know jesus and all this stuff and and young kids are dying to hear that

01:00:40.800 yes and then he'll be like yeah and how hot are like cats and i'm you know i'm just like dude

01:00:47.000 and so that would bother like that bothers me right why do you think he does that i don't even

01:00:54.080 want to know at this point i just i don't know but you think it's an intentional and maybe not

01:01:01.060 just him others too but like it's a behavior that's what that's what i'm at now is i'm like

01:01:05.120 i don't know who gives orders i don't know what it is it's just like god made a mistake yeah right

01:01:09.940 like i it's it's victim consciousness it's like i deserve more than i currently have yes that's

01:01:17.440 all it is and it's like whether it's you want to be taller or less gay i'm just kidding you know

01:01:24.060 what i mean no no you may be right yeah and that's why in the book i talk about the the primary lies

01:01:29.200 that lead to the rest of the lies and so like you're okay who you are like god didn't make a

01:01:34.080 mistake is a fundamental yeah because that belief allows people to believe all these other horrible

01:01:40.100 things and so that's one reason i don't have hatred because everybody including people that

01:01:46.440 can be annoying to me as i'm trying to do my work i'm like you're only doing this because you think

01:01:51.580 you're not enough but i can't fix you with a funny song you know what i mean yeah i'm like you're

01:01:57.160 okay you know because because i'll like do a joke making fun of like short guys getting shot out of

01:02:01.680 a cannon or something right and like there's a type that's like and i'm like dude you're enough

01:02:06.380 man i'm trying to release the stress so i'll do tall jokes you know i'll make fun of being tall

01:02:10.660 and it's like and trying to help that and and that will usually help with like insecurities

01:02:15.860 identity all that stuff and it's like some people are just like they double down double down double

01:02:20.960 down or they're like no i deserve more and i would see that in myself and that's when you really grow

01:02:26.760 where you're like i deserve to be on this platform like they wronged me and then i started being like

01:02:32.460 well they built it i didn't build youtube you know it's like i was a guest on there and i started

01:02:36.840 getting like way more humble than i normally am because that was how i was surviving you know and

01:02:42.840 then i'm like well i'm american i'm gonna use a post office box right that's ours that's that's

01:02:47.860 that's our and i got really into the post office come on no that was my sacred cow like and people

01:02:54.660 make fun of the post office I'd be like how dare you like I'm like rain rain and sleet and snow

01:03:00.840 they're delivering them because I'd get thousands of letters right because they couldn't censor it

01:03:05.660 they couldn't censor reality and so I was like I'm protecting the post office and that's so absurd

01:03:11.560 that my secret cow was it was like kind of funny but I was like I'd really get mad if people would

01:03:16.280 attack the post office I'm like FedEx has terms and conditions they can search it but the post

01:03:23.160 office is the last pure thing yeah and it was found it was foundational it's like it's so

01:03:28.460 important that people can just write a letter with a cheap stamp you know now i communicate with mail

01:03:33.720 and think about if everything just collapses which it it like has to at this point i mean the lies

01:03:40.920 are it's tower of babel yeah of course it's like imagine if people have during covet i said no 10

01:03:46.880 people within 10 miles i'd give people actionable things like no people just like know your

01:03:51.980 neighbors, right? Like know where they live and be able to say hi, like borrow something, work

01:03:57.000 together. Like, cause one thing I learned about being in rural and the country is people are an

01:04:02.820 asset. We're in the city, like they start thinking, look at all these people, they're

01:04:07.820 crowding everything. Yes. People. Yes. That's right. And where I live, it's like, yes, a person

01:04:13.020 to help me dig this insane ditch. And then I was like, oh my God, we can make anything. And it was

01:04:19.460 just a very beautiful thing. So you go from, you're living in your wife's town, her family's

01:04:23.780 town. Yeah. And then COVID happened and I would like have public, I would, I would try to be

01:04:29.440 funny about it. You know, a master for criminals and perverts, which one are you lady? Like stuff 0.91

01:04:33.880 like that. But I would get, I didn't want another hostility thing. I'm like, is my wife's town?

01:04:38.800 Like, I'm not going to be the guy. Cause I wouldn't ever wear a mask. I'm like, then before

01:04:43.880 you know it, like they figured this out in like camps and stuff. It's like how you break somebody,

01:04:48.340 hop on one foot like let me just put a little patch on your eye a little more every yes is

01:04:53.260 closer and closer that's how sin works right yes that is true and if i was innocent it would have

01:04:58.740 been okay like people that thought they were scared to wear masks i don't think it affected

01:05:03.060 them as much but i knew exactly yes that's why a lot of people that feel guilt i'm like but you

01:05:09.000 didn't know though i did know it's a burden sometimes where i'm like i know what the mask

01:05:13.820 is and i know this psychological thing and if you didn't like you thought you were helping people

01:05:18.680 which is actually fine you know what i mean of course yeah but like so we go to idaho because

01:05:25.100 i had done a show in sandpoint and i love the people and i started um i started looking at

01:05:29.980 areas that weren't wearing masks because i was like this probably has a little debt

01:05:33.440 what's the connection right because i think the debt causes the fear right because there's going

01:05:39.580 to be a percentage of the population that doesn't want to wear a mask they're just not i know a ton

01:05:44.580 of people that don't care about colds and stuff like i don't yeah yeah so it's like they don't

01:05:49.220 wear seat belts like that guy's not wearing a mask like you know and so why is everyone wearing

01:05:53.980 a mask is because they don't want to lose their job because they have a mortgage because they

01:05:57.460 have kids in college because it's that whole train and so when you reverse engineer it it

01:06:01.960 starts with debt with interest because you have to pay that with the job and you're convinced you

01:06:07.600 have no other abilities in life than this one thing and so if you see people without a mask

01:06:13.160 they're probably productive and not in debt and some people with masks might actually believe it

01:06:18.200 which is fine but I needed to see a percentage and so I saw that area and there was just these

01:06:24.180 10 acres with a barn with a little corner apartment and me and my whole family just

01:06:29.840 moved there because I couldn't afford a house without debt because when I got kicked off

01:06:34.020 airbnb i had to sell that house so now i had money right like it's all a blessing so we go

01:06:39.740 there you know and now we can have cows we had alpacas and goats and wait i just find if i ask

01:06:45.460 you to pause it's interesting that as you get deplatformed and basically take all your money

01:06:51.600 away take your source of income away you've got less money yeah but you're more committed not to

01:06:57.180 taking on debt yeah because i saw that was why because i was like feeling very betrayed yeah

01:07:02.680 Yeah. And so I was like, why is that guy? Like, am I so stupid that I thought all these people

01:07:08.020 were awesome? And they're like, I'm like, they're just lying. Cause I know myself. Like 1.00

01:07:12.380 I don't have the hate they were saying or else I couldn't do comedy. Right. Like if you're mad,

01:07:17.720 someone said, I think it was Norm. You can't do an impression of someone you hate.

01:07:21.160 Yes. That's right. Yeah. Cause it's like, you're, you're, you're like,

01:07:23.840 you're like trying to dig at it versus like the empathy required. It's so true. It's so true.

01:07:28.760 It's so true.

01:07:30.080 I would always tell my reporters,

01:07:31.080 you can't cover anybody you hate

01:07:32.600 or you're sleeping with.

01:07:33.720 Right, right.

01:07:34.060 Anything that obscures your vision to that extent,

01:07:36.120 you know, the motion makes you a bad observer.

01:07:38.880 Yeah, and I had to like constantly do self-checks with that

01:07:43.260 because for me, it's just the work ethic thing in me.

01:07:46.560 I just don't want to fail at my job.

01:07:48.140 Right.

01:07:48.360 Because if I hate it, like, it's not funny

01:07:50.840 because I'm like trying to do something

01:07:52.220 versus just letting things happen with comedy.

01:07:54.220 Yes.

01:07:54.420 Like the moment is the important part.

01:07:56.280 so you realize the people who betrayed you betrayed you in part because they were in debt

01:08:01.760 yes and they were servants of larger powers yeah it's like what traps a lot of soldiers it's like

01:08:06.300 i want to defend my mother right it's like it's like these good instincts like i want to provide

01:08:10.660 for my family i have to pay this thing blah blah and so my thing was like live way under your means

01:08:16.960 and then you're like totally free right because i'd see these people that that like one of my

01:08:23.040 best friends up there drives a concrete truck you know just hourly wage has like six kids

01:08:28.640 totally happy he just like slowly built his house owns his little piece of land like

01:08:32.800 you can totally do it how is he happy with an hourly wage don't you have to be rich to be

01:08:38.300 exactly exactly that's the scam what do you mean a scam the scam the spell of money it's not even

01:08:44.200 money it's currency it's like money is gold and silver in the constitution right so it's like

01:08:48.320 it's like all these word swap outs like money legal tender is not a dollar that's a debt note

01:08:55.340 yeah right so and if you can print the token that says you're a good person and you don't

01:09:01.760 have control of printing it then it's a rigged game and so if you're if you're accumulating

01:09:07.540 actual wealth which is you know trust that's why it was called a bank and trust trust is wealth

01:09:12.700 when you can have that fluid economy

01:09:15.340 where you know you'll have,

01:09:16.600 like you can just quickly move and change and grow

01:09:20.200 without having to constantly validate

01:09:22.580 every line of every contract

01:09:24.620 because you don't trust each other.

01:09:26.100 That's what creates poverty.

01:09:29.500 And so I'm looking at what I consider wealth,

01:09:31.420 which is like land, like, you know,

01:09:33.760 morality, children, respect.

01:09:35.700 And then craftsmen can just build

01:09:39.160 these beautiful things that in LA would be

01:09:41.460 like a billion zillion dollars you know i'm like that table that you just made with like a chainsaw 0.55

01:09:46.620 and polish would be like nine grand to like a gay la guy yeah like literally i i thought about i'm 0.91

01:09:52.220 like should i bring this stuff to la i'm like i don't even want to go back but like the the amount 0.54

01:09:57.460 of wealth from skills was insane and so i'm having this like and meanwhile online people are like oh

01:10:03.600 he's a cult leader that was the whole thing it's like it's a cult if anybody supports you when

01:10:08.360 you're not in the mainstream it's got to be a cult i'm like why because people like me how are

01:10:14.220 you still reaching people well i like what are the mechanics of continuing to broadcast when you've

01:10:21.140 been canceled to this extent i kept just making new accounts on instagram and stuff like i'd just

01:10:26.320 make a new account i'd get up like the number would go up they'd wipe it i'd just make another

01:10:30.280 account people at all that it built the community and i didn't realize it because they'd all be

01:10:35.160 like, how are we all going to stay in touch for wherever Owen is next? So they start meeting each

01:10:40.120 other. Like it all backfires. So then I make my own app, the Bertari Times app, where we just

01:10:45.740 build our own app. And it's ironic because I have more censorship than anywhere. It's just the right

01:10:51.140 censorship. There's no swearing. There's no arguing. There's no like, it's just the good,

01:10:55.360 the true, the beautiful. It's like family, businesses. I'm like, that's what censorship

01:10:59.800 should be it's not censoring the truth about a spell you know and so people join there and we

01:11:08.400 start having meetups all that's why they called me a co-leader because people are actually meeting

01:11:11.780 up with each other and we're having a good time physically physically i said because i kept

01:11:16.120 reverse engineering wizard spells i'm like they want to make reality digital let's make digital

01:11:20.620 reality because it always goes both directions interesting yeah what are the mechanics of that

01:11:27.520 like what does that mean it just means like where did you meet we would just have meetups we would

01:11:31.980 so during covid right in the beginning i saw how they were shutting down all the clubs all the

01:11:37.020 theaters that's why the the best revenge is just god's revenge just let it happen yeah like all

01:11:41.680 those comics that were calling me a man of hate they were a lot of work that you know it's like

01:11:45.780 all the clubs cancel like everywhere that canceled me they all were shut down for like two years

01:11:49.220 and that's when i was like i can't do that like that's just the natural cycle of god's like plan

01:11:56.740 will always make it way more revenge-y,

01:12:00.780 but it's not like bitter.

01:12:02.520 You're like, whoa, right?

01:12:04.760 That dude that sold out,

01:12:06.440 I'm like, the devil hates his servants.

01:12:07.960 Like you can't win that game.

01:12:10.000 The devil hates his servants.

01:12:11.400 And it's not about agreeing with me at all.

01:12:13.620 It's about like, are we both attempting to find the truth

01:12:16.880 which is outside of our own will?

01:12:18.720 Yes.

01:12:19.260 Yes, right?

01:12:20.840 And that's the distinction between a narcissist

01:12:23.040 and a normal healthy person

01:12:25.000 is do you acknowledge that the truth exists outside of you?

01:12:27.580 Yeah.

01:12:28.420 The truth remains constant no matter what you do or say.

01:12:30.920 Yeah, like we don't decide the truth.

01:12:32.940 We can like have a subjective,

01:12:35.120 I understand why people say my truth.

01:12:36.860 It's like based on my upbringing,

01:12:38.800 my interpretation of the elephant as a blind man, right?

01:12:41.380 But like, it is like, we didn't make it.

01:12:44.800 And so narcissism even is a coping mechanism of trauma.

01:12:48.320 So like, I couldn't hate them.

01:12:50.380 I'm like, why are they like this?

01:12:52.920 You know?

01:12:53.380 I agree.

01:12:53.620 And it was because of like, you know, I can't let myself get too, too like sympathetic where

01:12:59.100 my nervous system is like, I want to help you because then you get trapped. But my empathy is

01:13:03.980 like, oh, it's just really important to be good parents. Cause like somebody made you not trust

01:13:09.200 the flow, you know, someone hurt you. How did you get so emotionally balanced? How did you get this

01:13:14.420 much perspective? I'm going to tell my wife that and she will laugh. I'm going to be like, Tucker,

01:13:18.060 ask me how I got so emotionally balanced. I don't know. I mean, no, no, but it's funny.

01:13:22.400 I just know a lot of people who've been through variations of what you've been through and

01:13:26.200 they don't arrive where you arrive.

01:13:27.700 It's funny, maybe because of my lack of balance in the moment, because that's funny because

01:13:32.140 of like, I can go in all directions.

01:13:34.760 Yes.

01:13:35.520 I think I allow myself to do that.

01:13:37.360 I don't create the scar tissue so I can actually stay stable because I just allow myself to

01:13:43.500 like feel something and then like go through it, you know, versus like holding onto it.

01:13:50.980 And then, you know, that's what narcissism is.

01:13:53.080 It's like, how do we create a delusion bubble

01:13:56.180 to justify this thing that I have to hold on to

01:13:58.620 because I'm afraid?

01:13:59.560 Yes.

01:14:00.140 Yeah.

01:14:00.860 There's fear at the center of it.

01:14:02.420 There's fear at the center of it.

01:14:03.440 Yeah, because imagine if you're like,

01:14:06.100 you know, there's truth and there's force, right?

01:14:07.920 There's like, if you have a,

01:14:10.780 so someone comes in your room at night

01:14:12.740 and beats you up randomly,

01:14:14.340 you have to start thinking about how to control them, right?

01:14:17.860 Like when you're very young,

01:14:18.840 you're like, this world is vicious.

01:14:20.420 I have to control things or else I will be hurt.

01:14:22.940 Correct.

01:14:23.420 Versus like, what did I learn from that beating?

01:14:25.520 How do I grow to like be, right?

01:14:27.940 There's two roads.

01:14:29.120 And so I'm blessed that although my childhood

01:14:31.900 had its challenges, I always give respect to my parents

01:14:37.260 for allowing me to have like a safe enough feeling

01:14:39.900 where I didn't get that scar tissue, you know?

01:14:43.140 Because that's awesome.

01:14:45.260 Just because I look at people and I'm like,

01:14:47.040 just let it flow, man, it'll be okay.

01:14:48.820 And they're like, whenever I let things happen, I feel so much pain.

01:14:52.320 Like, but they don't know it anymore because they're calloused, you know?

01:14:55.080 They can't feel it.

01:14:56.200 Why do we call narcissism after narcissists?

01:14:59.440 Like, it's self-love.

01:15:00.360 It's not self-love.

01:15:01.220 It's not love. 1.00

01:15:01.880 They do the same trick with the gay stuff. 1.00

01:15:03.820 That's why I like that you say sodomy. 1.00

01:15:05.640 Yeah.

01:15:05.860 Because love, you know, like, we become friends.

01:15:09.140 I love Tug.

01:15:09.880 I love him so much.

01:15:10.820 I'm going to encourage him not to engage in sodomy, right?

01:15:13.120 It's like, that's not love.

01:15:14.540 That's a compulsion.

01:15:16.040 That's an act.

01:15:17.040 Yes.

01:15:17.360 like love like there was there were signs i saw that's like love is love and that's supposed to

01:15:22.960 justify deviant sexual behavior and it's deviant because it causes damage like i can define it

01:15:28.480 like it's not because it's not me it's because it causes damage like people can't consent to a level

01:15:34.120 that they should or the the the two males like they're reliving trauma that it's about like i

01:15:40.400 have male goats like the sodomy is not love it's about dominance for a goat because that male is

01:15:45.040 going to impregnate everybody right it's like prison stuff and so love is love no it's lust

01:15:50.220 is not love yes because i have lusts right i've had lusts it's like that's not love i mean love

01:15:56.320 sex can be very loving and but it's kind of like a gluttony and uh and you know healthy eating you

01:16:03.260 know it's like nobody the great norm mcdowell my favorite stand-up of all time he said 0.99

01:16:08.060 nobody's ever said I want to make love to your ass so true it's not loving no it's not and so 0.91

01:16:16.740 I didn't even see it until it went to the kids that's when I was like I see it now it's like 0.99

01:16:20.920 they live glasses because before I was like yeah because I don't like bullies yes I'm like who's 0.72

01:16:27.280 gonna tell two gay guys they can't have a good life like I because I was thinking they were the

01:16:31.340 bully and then I was like and then I started experiencing marriage and I experienced what 0.97

01:16:36.920 the male female bring in child i'm like oh that's not marriage they just want to discount it like a 0.87

01:16:41.920 department store like what is this you know i'm like and and you're not helping them by saying

01:16:46.900 it's marriage right like to say oh yeah that's marriage no it's not marriage is about creating

01:16:52.220 life like even if you don't create life like you can be married not have kids together but like

01:16:55.940 that union is like the most special thing in the world yes it is yeah it's like the three with you

01:17:02.340 have God, man, woman, man, woman, child. It's like this beautiful thing. And I'm sorry,

01:17:07.040 it's not going to come out of an ass. No, I know. And I know that sounds comedically vulgar. And 0.99

01:17:11.820 that's when people get mad, but it's because it's so honest. Yes. And vulgarity comes from vulgate,

01:17:16.600 which means of the people. And a lot of people can't afford to speak in that erudite way where

01:17:21.560 no one feels anything, where it's like, oh, someone can indulge in a, you know, like they

01:17:25.980 speak in a way where you don't feel it. Yes. Versus people have jobs where machines are loud

01:17:30.840 and they're stressed and they're like they just say it as fast and as clearly as possible yes and

01:17:36.680 it spikes emotion which is good for for comedy like i'm not going to say any big words here out

01:17:41.560 of respect because i don't want to spike anyone's emotions right but in my craft of comedy that is

01:17:47.280 it's like it's like a note on a piano like that will help me do a joke because like words have

01:17:52.680 a charge it's just electricity it doesn't have an intention it's like in spells they call it a sigil

01:17:58.420 where you charge a logo like like a nike swoosh you put all these images to it so when people

01:18:03.420 see it they feel something yes and words are like that too so you have this raw energy is released

01:18:08.600 with a word and every culture has a different word you know i think about it there's there's

01:18:12.560 languages we don't speak and if you say that word right oh i've done it yeah and where they think

01:18:18.280 it's super funny like i have russian friends there's this it's like galoo boy galoo boy 0.89

01:18:22.540 it means blue boy blue boy we don't want to play with you which is like gay boy and i don't know 0.82

01:18:27.620 what it meant but my russian friend had me like figure it out and they'll die laugh because they 0.87

01:18:32.300 know i have no idea what it means but in their world like that would cause i'll give you an

01:18:36.960 example in college i go into this dude's dorm room and there's a giant swastika on the wall right and

01:18:41.660 i'm like who's gonna tell him he's like a brown guy right and it turns out it's like a hindu

01:18:46.520 symbol so it's like the swastika is in like every culture it's like yeah big dipper going around

01:18:51.600 Polaris and he's like oh hey my friend I'm like dude you got a swastika on your wall

01:18:56.960 and he's like oh yeah the great you know Shiva whatever it is and I'm like oh my god that mean

01:19:04.020 that would mean something totally different to Ben Shapiro right it's a charge like you've been

01:19:08.640 programmed to feel something with that and that's why different cultures have different words like

01:19:13.560 and I'll let from my culture that's very blue collar is a step up for most of my friends you

01:19:19.820 know so it's like these words don't cause this reaction right and so they'd be like how dare

01:19:24.240 you i'm like i don't i don't know where you're from man i'm trying to be nice like what's the

01:19:28.840 word i should say and then like i don't know i'm like i don't know either so like that's why the

01:19:34.940 comedian discharges this this stress yes so that's why i will use a very intense word because i'm

01:19:40.700 like let's let's figure this out discharge the stress because uh wizards need that emotion like

01:19:46.620 use a word like imagine telling Alex Jones he's not a patriot like like that would work on him

01:19:53.180 he'd be like no patriot are you kidding me I saw male vitality like he gets so freaked out by that

01:19:57.940 because he's like patriot patriot right and he would not get mad at like I've done this to him

01:20:03.160 he has a great sense of humor which is why I like like Hillary Clinton's not he's not allowing you 0.96

01:20:08.400 to have a proper erection you're gonna need he dies laughing because it's like that's what I 0.95

01:20:12.480 mean i'm like just riffing with him and so like for him that word would mean a lot so like let's 0.90

01:20:17.180 say tolerant like you tell a certain person you're not tolerant they'd be like i'm like tolerant the

01:20:22.300 t word right and so because it's charged in their world like tolerant is like you have to be so

01:20:27.120 tolerant in my world that's called permission right it's like you don't get to violate my space

01:20:32.240 honor culture yes yeah what is that what can you define that honor culture yeah it's like well it's

01:20:37.960 kind of like um it's like the boundary issue is a big cultural divide where it's like tolerance

01:20:46.100 is this is why i had a hard time at first with forgiveness so i turned the other cheek stuff

01:20:50.520 because i viewed it as codependence and permission yes when it's not it's just it's forgiveness is

01:20:57.260 more about yourself and it's the broad it doesn't mean you you you permit the behavior no but you're

01:21:02.120 forgiving and you're releasing it from yourself exactly and that was huge because i used to be

01:21:06.460 like forgiveness no you don't let these people and so they a lot of that culture uh does not like

01:21:12.800 boundaries at all so it's like whenever there's a boundary something sacred to somebody they have

01:21:18.020 to cross it because it's like like i don't make fun of people's religions directly it's like if

01:21:22.820 you tell me something sacred i will respect that if you don't know that it's a say if it's crossfit

01:21:28.260 and you don't know it's your religion you're about to find out right yeah because it's like

01:21:32.780 an idol that people are developing that i don't but if someone's like dude this is sacred to me

01:21:37.100 i'm like no problem like sacred to me as long as someone's aware of it but but a lot of other

01:21:43.080 people like that other culture it's like sacred means hit it like beautiful right family like

01:21:48.600 cross those boundaries so an honor culture is a culture that takes those boundaries seriously

01:21:54.600 yeah private is is very important because in the honor culture it's god man government corporation

01:22:01.940 there's a hierarchy yes and there's an inversion of that where it's corporation government man

01:22:08.780 and then god is money or dollars right so it's completely the opposite so the corporations rule

01:22:15.320 the government the government rules the man when in reality that isn't it at all the government

01:22:19.540 is the management of man's declaration to god's yeah you know you obviously know all this and

01:22:25.260 And it's like, so you can see it so clearly.

01:22:29.060 And that is what I learned

01:22:31.520 just from trying to do stand-up comedy.

01:22:33.480 It's like, that's why I'm so hopeful, oddly,

01:22:36.320 is because just committing to what you're doing,

01:22:38.860 because it's prayer to do anything good, right?

01:22:40.840 Yes, I agree.

01:22:41.360 Yeah, it's like a carpenter,

01:22:43.160 someone working at a gas station.

01:22:44.920 Like, I used to be a janitor,

01:22:46.180 and I would take so much pride in that thing

01:22:48.700 that I don't even care about.

01:22:49.960 It's prayer to do anything good.

01:22:51.680 Yeah.

01:22:52.200 So there are all kinds of, throughout the Bible,

01:22:54.720 all kinds of commands, phrased differently, but all with the same message, which is pray without

01:22:59.100 ceasing. There's a famous one in Paul's epistles, but there's a bunch of them. What does that mean,

01:23:04.980 pray without ceasing? How can you go about your daily life? How can you earn a living? How can

01:23:08.520 you feed your children if you're constantly in prayer? And maybe that's getting toward the

01:23:13.280 answer. It is a form of prayer to do something good and beautiful. Yeah, because a fish doesn't

01:23:18.380 know it's wet, right? So a lot of, I think, Americans and certain Western cultural people

01:23:23.000 don't realize what it's like to not have respect for the good, the true, the beautiful, symmetry,

01:23:29.000 beauty, like something that exalts the soul. Right. And so if you're contributing to that,

01:23:34.620 that's prayer. That's, that's, that's worshiping God because that's outside of us. Like that

01:23:39.100 symmetry, that thing that just shows you like the laugh of a child, like, like that's like to,

01:23:44.280 like when I was showing you the pics of my camp or like the farm, you're like, so many people

01:23:49.180 would be like dude haven't you heard of a grocery store like they don't see it where it's like the

01:23:53.400 perfection of a tomato growing with a hundred seeds in it that can grow 10 000 tomatoes like

01:23:59.020 to me that's prayer or the paths you built through the woods as a path builder i appreciated yours

01:24:04.240 are way nicer than mine but the care you took to build paths walking paths through a tree growth

01:24:11.260 through the woods that i mean i don't know how long that took you to do that but that was

01:24:16.900 variant those are not they're more than utilitarian yeah no we're just clear and brush out of the way

01:24:21.740 yeah no i've just i act like if i get down or if i feel you know things can be stressful there's so

01:24:27.160 many lies happening like there's psyops constantly and it's like i i i we joke that i have to toil

01:24:32.520 yes because if i'm building something beautiful i feel hope immediately like i just start feeling

01:24:38.900 hope and i'm sweating and that's in the bible that's why i keep telling people just to have

01:24:43.040 a garden even if it's on your windowsill you know it's like because it says you know so many of these

01:24:48.780 metaphors are about you know wheat and chaff and goats and sheep and it's like you know them by

01:24:54.560 their fruits like think about tasting someone's wine like thomas jefferson or these guys like

01:24:58.540 you taste wine you have to run like a an awesomely moral society to have the vines grow and time it

01:25:07.000 with the wood the wood maker has to make the barrel and the and not and having the impulse

01:25:11.320 controlled and not drink it right away and so you taste the logos of it right so so it's like

01:25:16.880 the wine represents the same with the bread that's why because i went through a period where i was

01:25:21.260 like i don't have flesh and blood this sounds a little dark and and then you realize in context

01:25:26.820 people are actually eating people at the time and bread is like the the flesh of all creation that

01:25:33.420 like man can with god's creation make something so beautiful it's like don't eat people eat bread

01:25:40.140 right and same with like the blood is of the grape becomes the one and it's like i was like

01:25:45.720 oh my god it's actually awesome you know and so i got really into like i have grapes i don't think

01:25:51.680 i'd make very good wine yet but i'm working on it so you wind up um in idaho yeah buying this spot

01:25:59.380 this little farm and how how do you keep working from there how do you do that well this i just

01:26:06.900 me and vox started on authorized.tv we keep getting kicked off payment processors it's this

01:26:12.640 whole behind to this day yeah we've gotten better at though like there's been a release a bit i think

01:26:18.520 that because that's the thing it doesn't take a lot of people to to push back to not even to do

01:26:23.340 anything to them just to say no like the real n-word is no right yeah and so so if there's just

01:26:29.520 because resistance in a light is what makes the light you need that resistance like with what

01:26:34.040 stops what kind of slows down the voltage releases the light so so we're just we just keep saying

01:26:40.300 onward you know it's like we get no one's having more fun than us right it's like persistence is

01:26:44.860 fertile like just build it like i keep flipping all these slogans and we just keep rocking and

01:26:51.700 things just keep falling into place so i i get kicked off a payment processor again so stressed

01:26:57.300 out one of my buddies the guy was making fun of for the jazz awesome guy he's like let's record

01:27:02.120 an album because he's a sound genius so i record a classical album we put it out it goes on the

01:27:07.500 billboard for like classical music people are like can you teach me i start teaching piano

01:27:11.720 so it's like that starts being my job for a bit where i'm just teaching piano i'm still doing

01:27:16.760 podcasts and comedy and i'm just like it just kept working out and i'm like this is flow like

01:27:23.240 this is what i think people mean with spirit where did your wife have faith the whole time yeah

01:27:27.520 yeah like times when i was spiraling like there'd be times when i was like this one time so i have

01:27:34.920 this this farm and this orchard and these animals and i'm working so hard and i feel like i'm

01:27:40.540 protecting my family and that can even be an idol right because i'm for sure that's a hard one to

01:27:46.220 see oh i've had this yeah and so i'm getting a legal you know they're doing some some stuff

01:27:52.000 and i'm like oh i could lose and so i'm getting down because i'm like i won't be able to provide

01:27:57.760 for my family and amy's like we we used to live in the corner of that barn we could live in a van

01:28:02.880 and she's like you wouldn't have to milk the cow anymore and i'm like she's i'm like you would and

01:28:08.160 and i think this is why i'm emotionally stable i will say the things i think guys bury i'm like

01:28:12.480 you'd still love me you know and she's like owen like i don't love you for your pear tree you know

01:28:18.040 and i was like because what i loved was my family and so all these other things i think are are

01:28:24.040 protecting but it's just fruit and so as soon as i made that that shift where i'm like oh yeah we

01:28:29.640 could have a whole adventure with something else and then like the the darkness like went away

01:28:34.980 again it was like all these things that are threatening me like something that opens up and

01:28:38.640 it's like i mean that happened they were sending cps to my house right which is like

01:28:43.180 my every father's complete nightmare on what crowns not like the most absurd lies ever

01:28:49.940 like this is like a lot of the darkness type vibe they use institutional weakness to yeah you know

01:28:56.320 i do so and i get it i have a bunch of people and friends in law enforcement like just a claim

01:29:02.280 anonymously like they have to look into it now i now realize how much of a non-threat it is but

01:29:07.940 i'm not aware of cp like i don't know what how cps works like i'm not from that world you know

01:29:12.500 and so just the threat of that i start pacing i'm stressed blah blah blah and yeah and i dude i

01:29:20.020 prayed of having your children taken away i mean come on i still remember that prayer actually it

01:29:24.700 was on my knees like praying like and and the prayer was like just give me the strength and my

01:29:29.240 wife just kept going but you're a good father and i'm like i know but like what if and she just kept

01:29:33.880 going but you're a good father and i'm like but if they and then i just started believe i'm like

01:29:39.700 and then i realized that i'm just here to take care of my kids dude this is when stuff gets

01:29:44.680 intense i'm like they're gods right i'm like i'm honored to be their caretaker while i'm here

01:29:50.960 and i was freed from that spell because i i was like i'm the one who provides and protects yes

01:29:57.400 right and so every time these things like these horrifying things kept happening i'm like

01:30:02.420 oh my god like it's all and then it again just went away and they were like oh we're really

01:30:07.260 sorry because what happens is my fear could have triggered more and more and more yes right yeah

01:30:13.900 that's why jesus kept saying don't be afraid don't be afraid don't be afraid because like

01:30:17.160 hey why are you here who sent you you know like then it's like oh he's very hostile acting blah

01:30:22.980 blah blah right and so those illusions spells and that's why i'm like and the more i learned the

01:30:30.180 more i was like i want to show this to people because when you're given stuff like gifts and

01:30:33.860 stuff you have to be like how can i like because i see so many people falling for this stuff

01:30:38.220 and i'm like this is how they do it it's all perception management like wizard of oz

01:30:42.580 wizard of oz was such a truth drop it's all it's all about i think it's about the dollar

01:30:46.700 what does that mean like follow the yellow brick road to the green place where the wizard is lying

01:30:51.960 it's gold a golden road right yes yeah it's like the original slippers were silver you click the

01:30:59.240 silver slippers and you go back to kansas meanwhile the green back is like it's really

01:31:04.780 just an old grappler behind a little curtain and then he's like and then when he's like here you're 0.96

01:31:10.860 smart here's a square for your head and it shows you how they do it it's all the approval like

01:31:14.920 you're brave here's a medal like that world is of of like these little trinkets that make you think

01:31:21.640 you're proud or you're brave but it's it's like oh now i'm brave it's like no that that it was

01:31:26.460 like such a truther movie and then it inflates the balloon inflation takes him away and he's

01:31:31.520 like i don't know how it works and he flies off does how does it work i'm not fully i just the

01:31:39.500 principle i know i don't know the details like i can't make i've also learned not to make a ton

01:31:43.980 of claims like yeah yeah me too because i'll see a lie because i don't know actually in a lot of

01:31:49.000 cases i can spot a lie yeah me too but then i'll be like oh it must be this this is the 9-11 problem

01:31:54.600 is the Building 7 Proverbs.

01:31:55.580 Yeah, I have literally no idea what that,

01:31:57.660 I mean, I've all kinds of, you know,

01:31:58.760 heard a lot of things.

01:31:59.900 No, all I know is your version is a lie.

01:32:02.500 That's all.

01:32:02.740 Yeah, all I know is it's how much

01:32:04.160 ladle.tv is a month.

01:32:05.840 Yeah.

01:32:07.220 So, yeah, like the fundamental

01:32:10.380 is something from nothing is a spell, right?

01:32:12.700 So I always watch for that.

01:32:14.020 Something from nothing, usury.

01:32:15.700 Yeah.

01:32:16.100 Like cocaine is biological usury.

01:32:17.960 You get your energy now, pay it back with interest.

01:32:19.980 Yeah, exactly.

01:32:20.600 Yeah, like virtue status.

01:32:22.680 Wait, is that true?

01:32:23.560 like virtue status as a christian as and everyone's like oh he's a great guy and then they they are

01:32:28.340 cowards with everything like that's usury and then you're like i paid you virtue earlier you

01:32:33.520 know what i mean it's like no you have to do it and then the more you're actually living it the 0.97

01:32:38.120 more it's like fundamental wealth it doesn't get pulled away yes because i mean read the old test

01:32:43.300 it just keeps right it's like ah here we go something for nothing oh boy not again we're

01:32:48.400 sorry oh boy something for nothing oh we're really sorry it's like just that lesson over and over

01:32:53.500 and i see it in myself where it's like i don't just because i kept being okay with people i'm

01:32:59.020 like they don't owe me anything because like i used to have a problem with credit with like

01:33:03.200 my jokes i'm like i need credit for that joke i wrote it six years before that and i and i started

01:33:08.120 being like the word is credit what does that mean who am i getting credit from right and then because

01:33:12.820 the prayer is doing it because it's good and my ego is like because i don't need i don't even want

01:33:18.980 fame i but i i do have a thing with respect and like like having other people in my field respect

01:33:25.080 me for being good at my thing right so i have that and i was like no but i wrote these big jokes that

01:33:33.680 these other comedians i mean people have made tons of videos about it like side by side like

01:33:37.580 they just started taking my bits like vultures and um and then i was like i don't need credit

01:33:43.800 from did i it's like field of dreams did you is that why you did it right yeah right it's like

01:33:49.080 did you do it for credit from who no you did it because it's the right joke it's good it really

01:33:54.080 yeah and like and then i'm like oh my god that's where all the power is and then i wanted to tell

01:33:59.380 everybody and then people would say that i was full of hate but it's okay so what brings you joy

01:34:06.420 now in your life that's the thing a ton of stuff brings me joy like tons of things like

01:34:11.680 it's like that that's why i think the biblical thing is like um and and by the way that's not

01:34:17.060 a religious book or political book like i don't go in those realms because like i'm not a theological

01:34:21.640 expert or anything but i have lived a lot of these things so it's like like the joy of a child but

01:34:26.460 wise like it's like all that stuff is real like you get the joy of a child again you know where

01:34:31.340 you're like dancing with your kids and you feel better than doing carnegie hall you know yes yes

01:34:36.140 and i've done or cocaine right exactly yeah it's like are you sure you don't want to be up till

01:34:41.640 five in the end with strangers coming up with bad business ideas yeah like seeing my wife you know

01:34:47.860 i've been to you know i'm sure you've been all these like restaurants with the best food in the

01:34:51.280 world to have my wife like with butter that i milk with the like that like her making it it like 1.00

01:34:57.940 tastes so much better like just simple little things like just like yogurt and maple syrup 0.59

01:35:04.380 And it's just like, yeah, and that's like, the Muslims say that, that God will present

01:35:10.160 you heaven. 1.00

01:35:11.380 It looks like heaven, but it's hell and hell that looks like heaven.

01:35:14.080 Yes.

01:35:14.820 And I was like, man, that's intense.

01:35:17.300 And just saying that, like people would be like, oh, that means you love terrorism.

01:35:21.780 You know, I'm like, what?

01:35:23.160 No, a true thing.

01:35:24.240 They can't see that either.

01:35:25.320 Cause they're so like, they're so of a lie.

01:35:27.880 They're so hiding that it's like, no, that's just a true thing though.

01:35:30.680 Like we can all spot a true thing, right?

01:35:32.420 Yes.

01:35:32.880 Instantly you can.

01:35:33.680 it's yeah it sounds different yeah like i could quote i could come up with like hinduism a lot

01:35:38.620 of it makes no i don't like casts like a lot of it makes no sense to me and some of this stuff

01:35:42.480 i'm like oh that's a really interesting you know because it's true right you can feel it and and

01:35:48.340 the sad part is and this is when i got a lot more chill because i'm like they can't feel that like

01:35:53.880 that's sad and so i remember that when i feel disgust when they're like doing their their 0.82

01:35:59.780 antics and it's like it's almost like they're blind where you're like mad at a blind person 0.62

01:36:03.700 you know i'm like oh and that's why i'm like terrified of even little lies because that's 0.70

01:36:09.800 to me like the worst case scenario is you start you start these little lies you know there's lies

01:36:16.320 that everyone can do like not wicked people like you don't want to hurt someone's feelings right

01:36:20.180 you want to avoid a punishment yes and then before you know it you have to back up those lies

01:36:25.700 and then you have to bet and then you become so exhausted i think like demon possession stuff

01:36:31.180 happens when you're like super exhausted and sad right so you're like your bandwidth is getting run

01:36:37.300 down you're like all these lies you're you're just keeping going you're spinning the plates

01:36:41.640 and then you're like you're just you're like i don't want to this is there's a lot of people

01:36:46.260 i think that are just they left their cockpit you know they're like not yeah and that's that's why

01:36:51.620 i try to like give people advice to give them more energy like i'm always like after listening

01:36:56.500 to me i hope you feel more energy than like drained you know because having that energy

01:37:01.100 keeps the i think keeps a lot of bad spirits out before i just before i forget you said something

01:37:06.280 at the outset that i've been thinking about um and you said it last night but i didn't fully

01:37:11.060 understand it you said that you're opposed to jazz because it breaks the rules now you're a

01:37:16.660 classically trained pianist what what does that mean it's it's a behavior so it's like uh like

01:37:24.180 for example when bitcoin was presented to me i didn't like the behavior that they're making

01:37:28.280 dollars from it right when they're like dude you can make tons of i'm like i thought you're

01:37:31.980 replacing dollars like let's get let's get on the same boat here yes you know i'm like if you want

01:37:35.920 to replace dollars stop valuing it in dollars and chasing it and bragging about all your dollars

01:37:42.040 right and so the behavior of jazz is like oh this is what sounds beautiful let's like break it you

01:37:48.360 know and and that's why i don't think bitcoin's evil because a tool can't be evil but that

01:37:52.840 behavior is evil like i can't jazz is evil it's the culture of like because i understand that

01:37:58.680 maybe there's something about it that i'm not understanding but like the of like transgression

01:38:03.300 is good is the problem transgression against what against the symmetry of of music that that might

01:38:10.440 be subjective but i don't think it is i didn't know that there was symmetry in music yeah like

01:38:14.960 canon and d where you have so i think it's literal so you have the waves like dissonance versus

01:38:19.880 harmony yes you can measure it i think so you have like they've banned chords in the in the

01:38:25.800 dark ages which i think might have been the light ages i think so too i'm starting to suspect that

01:38:30.760 no there's it's it was called the devil's chord it's this diminished chord that sounds so like

01:38:35.260 awful that they used to ban it like you couldn't play the chord because it would bum people out

01:38:40.620 right like the blues there was a time when people were like no this makes people feel like

01:38:45.660 bitchy and sad you know it's like it does have these effects on people and so when you're like

01:38:50.980 canon and d every woman loves that for their wedding song because it's like this it's it's 0.77

01:38:55.120 like a perfectly symmetrical song can you hum it so people recognize it it's it's a scale

01:39:04.100 this Christmas

01:39:07.240 give her what she's

01:39:08.020 wanted all year

01:39:08.760 right

01:39:08.980 and that's how

01:39:09.360 they manipulate 1.00

01:39:09.800 get her a Lexus 0.99

01:39:11.860 because the Toyota

01:39:12.580 that's the same car

01:39:13.560 is not as much love

01:39:14.660 you know

01:39:16.780 the music spells

01:39:17.760 are nuts

01:39:18.440 like a lot of those 0.99

01:39:19.300 those songs

01:39:20.160 that we all thought

01:39:21.020 were just fun songs

01:39:22.120 especially like

01:39:23.320 Bruce Springsteen

01:39:24.040 it's like 1.00

01:39:24.340 hey little girl

01:39:25.340 is your daddy home

01:39:26.460 I'm on fire

01:39:27.600 it's like

01:39:28.120 what 0.61

01:39:28.760 hey little girl

01:39:30.560 is your daddy home

01:39:31.460 he left you all alone

01:39:32.640 I'm on fire

01:39:34.480 Hmm.

01:39:36.680 Right?

01:39:37.840 You're just like, dude, what is that?

01:39:39.860 But the music makes you feel like it's an honest guy

01:39:42.980 singing about his day.

01:39:44.860 You know, and you're like, you listen to the lyrics,

01:39:46.880 that's like one of the biggest spells

01:39:48.320 is you have the music.

01:39:50.380 There's no continuity.

01:39:51.580 That's why I love songs with continuity

01:39:52.960 where it's like the music matches

01:39:54.360 what the words are saying, you know?

01:39:56.120 Do certain chords have a universal effect?

01:39:57.760 Does anyone on any human from any culture

01:40:00.720 respond the same way to certain sounds?

01:40:03.540 yeah certain uh ratios so like i don't know some people claim that certain keys are better for

01:40:09.640 different emotions but it's it's the same 12 notes that that bach the well-tempered culver

01:40:15.240 because they had to make a decision they used to tune a piano in one key like this piano's f

01:40:20.260 yes you could only play that key and everything else was horribly awful so they made a few tiny

01:40:26.260 concessions to make it so you could play in all these different keys because it's actually a curve

01:40:31.500 so they're all slightly different yes so bach who's the man by the way like that dude

01:40:36.460 just the math the symmetry it's insane but he you know he they developed the the current scale like

01:40:43.600 there is you know pythagoras had his own scale like everyone had their own scale and so some

01:40:48.520 people claim that certain keys sound differently but for me it's just the ratio of of like how the

01:40:54.180 chords are matched because each one like relatively you're just moving every key right yeah like these

01:41:00.900 are the type of things i teach in the piano class is more just like how it shapes with nature

01:41:04.520 you know where it's like the music of it is it makes you feel certain things because the

01:41:12.620 like the sound wave if they're dissonant it's like waves that that get like this versus they're all

01:41:18.640 going in unison like when you see when you just see like ballet like they're all going at the

01:41:24.580 same thing you feel harmonic yes and yeah and so that's why i think i can waves crash into each

01:41:30.140 other it makes you anxious jazz yes and that's just so interesting i don't think most non-musicians

01:41:37.200 experience music on a very shallow yet profound level it's the universal language though that's

01:41:43.180 why i'm like but you're feeling it all the time in so many movies without the soundtrack you

01:41:48.300 wouldn't feel the same way about them and shows laugh tracks that shows the group agrees yes the 0.99

01:41:55.500 group agrees so i guess i'm the weird one and and that's not bad that doesn't make you stupid like 0.99

01:42:00.120 you're trying to fit in like that's how a lot of cultures survived winters like you didn't 0.95

01:42:04.320 want to be kicked out of course not and so that's why just you know the sun zoo thing like know your

01:42:10.420 enemy and the enemy is you know the part of yourself that might covet it but also just know

01:42:15.080 that it's possible to weaponize your empathy you know yeah i've noticed and that's why the more

01:42:22.040 people do that the the better it is for everyone you know because certain types of people shouldn't

01:42:27.380 be in charge they don't know how to handle it yes it's like when the red sox first won and they

01:42:31.880 still rioted yeah like it's like no you won they're like yeah but we we burn cars like we're

01:42:38.440 you know i'm like 2004 yeah i'll never forget it yeah they were stuck because i had i was like

01:42:44.000 why are you not happy you won and you know there's certain foreign policies like that oh the neocons

01:42:50.780 were even madder at me when they got their war with iran i know and you're trying to help them

01:42:54.840 You're like, if you keep doing this,

01:42:56.460 you can't mathematically ever win.

01:42:58.720 I know, I know.

01:43:00.820 And they're like, yeah, that's why it's so interesting

01:43:03.400 because I know you're like the truth in any way

01:43:06.440 or even just the attempted truth

01:43:07.900 will help the other person.

01:43:09.260 Yes.

01:43:09.840 Yeah.

01:43:10.640 What kind of people have you met

01:43:12.020 since your life has changed so completely?

01:43:15.300 I'm in a bubble.

01:43:16.280 I mean, everyone has like a ton of kids.

01:43:18.840 Like people are, like, I love my friends.

01:43:21.380 Like there's just,

01:43:22.720 that's why I don't relate to a lot of stuff

01:43:24.520 because my friends are like,

01:43:26.400 I'm telling you, man, out there, it's crazy.

01:43:28.280 Like everyone, no one has kids.

01:43:29.820 Everyone's depressed.

01:43:30.600 They have like orange hair.

01:43:31.960 I'm like, oh man, like that sounds awful.

01:43:35.340 But where I live, it's like, it's beautiful.

01:43:39.700 Do you, as you see,

01:43:41.020 do you follow the drama in the world?

01:43:43.600 Yeah, because I feel like it's my obligation

01:43:45.520 to release stress with it.

01:43:46.900 Cause I've thought about never engaging

01:43:48.780 in any of the nonsense.

01:43:50.260 And I have people be like, dude,

01:43:51.820 you helped me get off like pills.

01:43:53.540 like please do the not the thing you do because i'll like see the thing and i'll make fun of it

01:43:58.260 and then there's all this spiraling and i'm like i don't have to do this but people are like no that

01:44:03.200 helps me laugh when i want to cry and then over time they start seeing how it works you know

01:44:08.720 do you feel so there's a feeling i think a lot of people have that like the current order is coming

01:44:13.700 to an end i share that feeling but on what basic like it's always the assumptions like what order

01:44:19.040 right well exactly that's why i'm asking you the question that cycle doesn't look great

01:44:23.940 you know what i mean like like the the the global uh you know the the reserve currency

01:44:29.880 all that stuff yeah but it's like change hurts but don't you kind of want to learn how to make

01:44:35.880 a shoe you know no but that's isn't that that that's the nightmare scenario you actually have

01:44:41.800 to do something right but that that'll be the best thing i mean they're clinging on to the thing

01:44:47.380 that's making them feel the fear about the thing.

01:44:49.940 It's like this awful loop.

01:44:51.360 Right.

01:44:51.920 Yeah.

01:44:52.120 That's always the case, isn't it?

01:44:53.860 Happens to me all the time.

01:44:55.240 Like, it's not like I'm not aware of that.

01:44:57.020 I just learned how that works.

01:44:58.580 You're afraid to stop doing the thing

01:44:59.980 that's making you miserable.

01:45:01.580 Yeah, because you're like,

01:45:02.700 oh, it's all coming in and in America.

01:45:04.240 I'm like, dude, what are you afraid of?

01:45:06.560 The current system is saying it's beautiful 1.00

01:45:10.340 for a child to cut off their penis. 1.00

01:45:13.360 It's all a plus, right? 1.00

01:45:16.160 it's like we don't want something like something for nothing degrades this uh civilian so it's

01:45:22.560 like that's the whole principle of something for nothing where it's like if you can print

01:45:26.400 your way out of sin you don't have to address it right and so it hurts and it's gonna hurt but it's

01:45:31.860 like the good hurt and if you found that to be true in your own personal yeah because it's also

01:45:38.120 just faith like could i be wrong sure it could just be like but everything i've seen up into

01:45:43.600 this point you know it's almost like saying god's wrong if doing the right thing leads to

01:45:47.720 the end right right which i'm just not like that's where can i prove it with facts no but

01:45:54.580 like i do have that faith like i just believe that and so i'll be like i know that's faith

01:45:59.000 but it comes from a it doesn't come from childhood dogma like from my past i like

01:46:05.100 kept seeing these patterns you know yes where it's like the the whisper to get you to do the

01:46:11.580 bad thing isn't the thing helping you no it's killing you yeah it's like who is your master

01:46:17.260 who's your provider and protector like really ask yourself that because we make idols out of

01:46:22.000 nonsense all the time like what like being kicked off an app that i didn't know existed three years

01:46:27.660 before is like the worst thing ever right it's like i have a theory that the whole internet is

01:46:33.640 because the debt cycle is already done and they need infinite surface area to keep it going

01:46:38.220 like it's all imaginary i think that you know like math gets imaginary yes i think that it's like

01:46:45.020 once you start doing the interest you never will have enough money to pay it back so eventually

01:46:49.820 it's going to hit a wall yes and they're like okay let's create a world of infinite walls with

01:46:54.980 electricity and then it's to the point where they're like we're running out of electricity

01:46:59.140 right and so it's like eventually either everyone sees it or unfortunately not everyone sees it and

01:47:10.240 we just have to go on with our lives and it's a bummer for them but like you can't win that game

01:47:15.780 you can't have something for nothing that's what abracadabra and fiat means what does abracadabra

01:47:20.420 mean like i speak it into existence like i say it and it's real and there is something to that

01:47:26.260 but it requires trust we're like the world has dreamers and i'm all about that where it's like

01:47:31.240 where people speak these beautiful things that haven't happened and people start doing them

01:47:36.940 like i understand that but you can't deceive people with it because the the workers the people

01:47:42.500 that are doing it have to trust you yeah that's how it works and so the trust is gone now and

01:47:48.820 that's why it's not even about it's not even necessarily about like foreign policy and all

01:47:53.260 this i'm like dude you got to stop lying man or they're not going to follow you anymore that's

01:47:56.860 right that's why they're like money can't save you it's like that trust from a general to his

01:48:01.360 guys like you can't be like i don't believe your words like you run like in war they run away

01:48:07.840 so it's like think about economic the real war is economic you know it's like

01:48:12.280 because i was i studied all this in czech republic like i i wanted to know how do these numbers of

01:48:18.120 people die and it's typically supply chain breakdown starvation disease so it's like

01:48:22.880 that's why i'm always like really into showing people how to just have even minimal gardens

01:48:28.500 local communities because that's how you save lives in war it's really not as uh guns and

01:48:34.760 bombs as people think it's like supply chain breakdown dependent people they can't access

01:48:40.480 food and clean water and that millions die from that so don't get me wrong i might sound super

01:48:45.320 hopeful but i think there's so many dependent people that it could go really bad you know and

01:48:51.320 that's why and so i learned that from the cps thing i'm just going to do as best as i can

01:48:55.660 because i'm not a savior i'm not god like i would get sad when i'm like how the hell am i going to

01:49:01.900 educate all these people on this trick you know and i it's not my job i just have to do my job

01:49:06.160 the best i can so what you've referred to spells tricks wizards you wrote a book how to slay a

01:49:11.740 wizard what's a wizard how do you slam and why would you want to it's a great question so a

01:49:17.520 wizard it like rhetoric isn't bad like i like aristotle like rhetoric is yeah it just has to

01:49:22.620 aim at the truth right if it aims the opposite direction you're a wizard so wizard is all about

01:49:28.840 uh deception where let's say we're getting we're going to start a business together

01:49:33.160 i want you to know everything as much as possible so that you can make the best decision versus

01:49:39.800 I'm hiding something so that you make a decision that benefits me and not you.

01:49:44.600 And all the words and tricks and behaviors that allows them to do that.

01:49:48.960 That's what a wizard is.

01:49:50.260 So it's basically someone who specializes in deception.

01:49:53.780 Yes.

01:49:55.040 Is there a metaphysical quality to it?

01:49:57.100 A supernatural element?

01:49:59.160 Yeah, I think there absolutely is.

01:50:01.340 Yeah, I do too.

01:50:02.360 I don't quite know how that works.

01:50:03.320 Yeah, I mean, I can see the...

01:50:06.320 Because it's trying to appeal to someone's lower nature.

01:50:09.380 in a sneaky way like if you look at slogans right like uh obey your thirst yeah kind of intense when

01:50:15.000 you think about it right kind of intense yeah or like the best a man can get not your kids

01:50:21.580 it's to have a shaved face right or like or like oh what's another one uh once you pop you can't

01:50:29.280 stop well pringles that sounds an awful lot like heroin right so it's like all these things are

01:50:36.580 like appealing to that lower nature of permission and it almost gives you that thing where you're

01:50:43.540 like yeah i mean obey my third you know and you don't think it's and so that's operating in a

01:50:48.100 spiritual realm in my opinion because it's not even conscious people and then the the alliteration

01:50:53.400 certain twilight language like like words that sound so close to something else yes that it like

01:50:59.780 you feel that other thing you know like a lot of names are like that like ellen degenerate

01:51:05.120 bernie made off with your money you know it's like that's who's the only guy that survived aids 0.77

01:51:10.020 magic johnson right wizard penis survived aids you know and you're like i can't i'm like you 0.59

01:51:19.860 how do you logistically do that i'm like okay i mean it's happening greg louganis and wizard 0.97

01:51:25.720 wiener they're the aids guys okay that's spiritual like that's so insane

01:51:30.700 right like greg louganis and magic johnson

01:51:36.380 yeah at a certain point we don't need to understand how it works to just stand back

01:51:42.200 and marvel at it wiener yes right it's like what the pentagon is in the shape of a pentagram and

01:51:48.520 was dedicated on september 11th 1941 right yeah okay yeah like i don't need to know how it works

01:51:54.580 to know that they're doing it yeah that there's that's not yeah and so and so i've seen truthers

01:51:59.980 go down these rabbit holes of trying to figure out everything and I that's not my path I'm like

01:52:04.180 fundamentals you're not broken God didn't make a mistake don't have something for nothing and

01:52:08.680 that'll help people see signs of it because once people are like oh on the full moon with the number

01:52:14.660 33 I'm like dude you can't figure it out just like be good you know what I mean so how do you

01:52:20.300 break the spells it's like it's so simple that people almost don't believe it it's like gratitude

01:52:26.080 attitude toiling love service like the more you think about service to others and less about like

01:52:32.620 what's going to happen to you in the future the more you realize that you're in a safer position

01:52:37.260 you know it's like like people think that like moral people won't win because that's weak right

01:52:43.140 remember when i was like genghis khan you know you need genghis khan remember that yes and it's like

01:52:49.640 not jesus that's a you need gang you need a guy no no morality is super strong because when things

01:52:55.380 hit the fan you want the guy that is so trusted and has the service that you're better off with

01:53:01.280 him alive right imagine if you're like you treat people well you have a farm no one knows how to

01:53:06.820 do it properly like they they now want to protect you and that's how actual communities form yes it's

01:53:12.700 not just like writing checks to bono like that isn't you know what i mean like that of course 0.96

01:53:18.800 that's the suckers like they're gonna eat them alive because it's virtue signaling it's fun 0.94

01:53:23.000 it's a communal narcissism right yes look at me versus like you're like all my breaks in hollywood 0.95

01:53:30.200 came from like being cool to the sound guy before he was an executive that is that is yes yes because

01:53:36.000 they were like oh dude owen's a good dude it was never the humiliation thing that's why i wasn't

01:53:40.820 in that world because i it would always be that mine was like ground up it was like starting a

01:53:46.680 starting my own show doing comedy creating a community it was never like appealing to a

01:53:51.780 casting director casting right casting what what what what responses feed the spell feed the evil

01:54:00.820 despair that's why i can get intense about like i don't have anything personally against nick

01:54:06.980 fuentes it's like don't spread despair because that creates the environment for the spells

01:54:11.080 it's like you want to get rid of mice cover the feed you're not going to get all the mice

01:54:16.140 right like be as responsible as you can get in control of your emotions like create a family

01:54:20.900 have purpose, be grateful, and then it doesn't work.

01:54:24.720 It's like if you go to Vegas and people are handing out strip club things,

01:54:29.940 and you're like, you'll feel that way about everything

01:54:32.540 once you get that thing that you don't want to lose.

01:54:35.540 You know what I mean?

01:54:36.360 It doesn't work on you.

01:54:38.360 So feeling despair, feeling defeated, feeling hopeless.

01:54:41.400 Yeah, I mean, it's done, too.

01:54:42.340 It's like if you get your enemy to think they already lost, you win.

01:54:46.600 Think about it.

01:54:47.340 We are the lion thinking that we're a mouse.

01:54:50.020 yes and it's like that's how you beat it someone that's the that's the wizard thing it's like

01:54:54.880 convincing the one making the dome right like that he's the bad guy that that's hate like

01:55:02.240 and dude the craziest thing is when people internalize it it's so sad because i've done

01:55:06.820 that where i'm like am i hurting people yes i've had this yeah and i've really it was funny i asked

01:55:12.780 my wife because these people are like you're a narcissist you're not because i wouldn't comply

01:55:16.300 right like you're selfish you're selfish i'm like don't they know if i do that it makes everything 0.61

01:55:21.380 worse but i asked my wife i'm like am i a narcissist i keep and she's like if you ask 0.56

01:55:26.480 the question you're not one so i wrote a joke i was like i spent all day wondering if i'm

01:55:32.040 self-absorbed right it's like it's so like if you're worried about being a narcissist like

01:55:37.700 you're not one but but the people that usually internalize that are the ones that like aren't

01:55:42.700 The narcissists would never call themselves that.

01:55:45.260 No, it wouldn't even occur.

01:55:46.680 No.

01:55:47.400 Because they block any, I mean,

01:55:49.500 narcissism is always about protecting some wound internally.

01:55:53.680 Yeah, they can never admit they're wrong

01:55:55.700 because something way early on,

01:55:57.220 they just got annihilated for that.

01:55:58.940 Because they hate themselves and they're very vulnerable.

01:56:02.040 Yeah, because it's shame, right?

01:56:03.160 It's like, imagine like you can't admit you're wrong.

01:56:06.560 Like then all those things are never been released.

01:56:10.140 How do you, you've referred to a community

01:56:12.600 community that's how you think of your listeners yeah a lot of them aren't but a lot of them are

01:56:17.160 i got i was never even a community organizer i'm kind of a curmudgeon like i don't even

01:56:21.660 you know what i mean i just like do stuff alone you live on a farm in idaho yeah yeah i'm never

01:56:25.620 like life of the party guy um but it just naturally happened because when i was banned

01:56:30.840 there'd be guys like dude i have a barn you want to perform there and i'm like yeah and so that

01:56:35.920 would naturally start building communities and so uh and then doing homeschool i realized that

01:56:41.460 you have to do it for your kids like you have to put them in all these you know like jiu-jitsu

01:56:45.960 violin skiing and you just start working together and because when you take away the the safety

01:56:52.500 shoot when you're like it's on me to educate my kids then you're like oh I have to build a

01:56:57.320 community versus like I'll put them in the yellow submarine you know exactly and it's intense I mean

01:57:04.200 it's daunting my wife at first was like I don't know if I can be a teacher I'm like

01:57:07.840 amy you're like the smartest woman i've ever met like they don't know you know like you love our

01:57:13.040 kids like of course you can i'm like half my teachers were like drunk sadists i'm like the

01:57:18.540 bar is like this high no how has it worked awesome really awesome yeah because there it's like the

01:57:26.780 trust sorry i'm just laughing because i had drunk sadists too yeah literally yeah i was punished for

01:57:33.300 being like yeah we could go off all day about that it's like perfect yeah that's why i used

01:57:38.400 to listen to pink floyd's the wall all the time i'm like this is real yeah no totally you and

01:57:42.720 every other eighth grader yes and so uh and so yeah it's going really well because i see that

01:57:49.540 you're making families you know like fish are in schools you know sheep are in herds we're in

01:57:53.600 families you know like kind comes from the word kin you know so it's like i i see like i would

01:57:59.640 love to spend that much time with my brother and my parents and um you have four boys i have four

01:58:05.300 boys and they go to school together yeah they're always it's we call it the amish classroom and 1.00

01:58:09.420 that's why the younger ones are like crushing because they've watched the whole time yeah 1.00

01:58:13.480 isn't that crazy yeah it's i've seen it yes yeah it's like uh my two youngest just with violin and

01:58:19.060 jujitsu just immediate and soccer just immediately and i'm like oh they've been watching since they

01:58:23.740 were born yes because when you're doing like a truth-oriented thing it's just varying degrees

01:58:29.860 like they can still understand it they can understand the most complex thing if it's not a

01:58:33.600 lie yes and so they're like doing chores in the morning you think lies are harder to understand

01:58:38.560 a hundred percent that's why when people intentionally speak with obfuscation like

01:58:42.760 i could do that like i could get a thesaurus yeah that's what i mean vox bonded because

01:58:46.920 because he was like you sound very you know peasant like but i know what you're doing you're

01:58:54.280 just being the most understood by as many people yes yeah so when people are using these words to

01:59:00.160 hide to like virtue signal that they're the smart boy but you don't understand what they're saying

01:59:03.920 it's to have people shut off and go i don't get it you're smart you do it and then you're like

01:59:09.080 uh that guy's definitely not right he's been wrong about everything yes they're like yeah

01:59:14.020 but anti-disestablishmentarianism you're like speak clearly right and so that's why i love when

01:59:19.040 experts can speak clearly i'm like oh you have a passion for it yes and you probably have mastered

01:59:24.120 the material yeah yeah explain it in a way i can understand everything in nature makes sense like i

01:59:28.480 recently bought this uh this like old truck with a diesel engine it's 99 it's like almost 400 000

01:59:34.740 miles it doesn't break like all my truck friends are like oh my truck yeah they're like this diesel

01:59:39.940 engine it can go a million miles you have to it was like a few grand I was like no it has almost

01:59:44.580 400,000 miles they're like it has at least another 800,000 and so I finally am starting to understand

01:59:51.160 cars like I don't know anything about like I don't know anything because our cars are all digital so

01:59:57.160 it's like you're always dependent and so I call this truck Melissa Etheridge because it just

02:00:02.140 reminds me of like a strong mountain lesbian because it had a few stickers because it was a 0.99

02:00:07.300 feet no it's like hilarious we call them tactical lesbians because there's a few of them that they

02:00:12.400 have all the guns you know they clearly they're just rebelling against some bad guy but they're

02:00:16.900 hilarious so um so i'm finally like oh this makes sense like he's explaining it to me and i'm like

02:00:22.300 oh that's what a carburetor does oh alternator it's literally alternating versus like oh you'll

02:00:27.260 never understand a truck you have to get all the software and all this i'm like ah it's a trap

02:00:32.580 so this truck will run on like zombie flesh you know what i mean like like you can make diesel

02:00:38.680 like you can just there's certain engines that if you understand the principles you can make

02:00:43.140 your own fuel because i that's another thing i'm like do we got to get horses i'm like i can't

02:00:47.740 manage a horse you know and then my other friend's like dude this diesel will run on literally tears

02:00:53.880 that's what i think a lot of fermentation was is making fuel really i don't think the government

02:01:01.480 really cared if people were drunk.

02:01:03.180 You know what I mean?

02:01:03.760 It's like, I can't, that's again, not a claim.

02:01:06.560 But imagine you're a farmer

02:01:07.760 and you can just make fuel with fruit.

02:01:10.040 That's a still, right?

02:01:11.560 Yeah.

02:01:13.520 So controlling energy is a key to controlling.

02:01:16.400 Yeah, and that's why they're opening that up now again

02:01:18.400 because they don't have enough

02:01:19.820 for their like insane data nonsense.

02:01:21.960 What is that insane data nonsense?

02:01:24.020 The AI, like what is the point of that?

02:01:25.860 It's all the same lie.

02:01:27.880 It's like replacing creation.

02:01:29.760 like they can they can replace people is that's why seeing people spiral about ai i'm like no i

02:01:35.860 can use it i get it you know it makes great lists it can like help with these tasks i'm like you

02:01:40.320 can't replace living men and women like every time there's a new invention they do this it's

02:01:45.780 like they did it with like the slinky you know they're like now we don't need people

02:01:49.520 and so and so they're trying to do that and then they need all the people for all the

02:01:55.140 infrastructure and all the energy you know like one of my friends once was like they're gonna

02:01:58.740 put everyone in a prison i'm like how do the guards function who like where do they buy their

02:02:03.640 groceries like you need a functional world to have a prison you know what i mean like who's

02:02:08.020 gonna guard the prison like free people right like how does that work if everyone's in a prison

02:02:12.620 so who can be a guard competent people who are competent people people that aren't on drugs and

02:02:17.960 insane right so it's like they need us way more than we need them like there's that scene in that

02:02:23.780 one movie where it's in a prison where it's like i'm not locked in here with you you're locked in

02:02:28.240 here with me like you don't know that yet you know it's like it's like oh the data i'm like

02:02:33.540 you don't know how a toilet works right like you know that guy that you don't even see that 0.98

02:02:39.680 fixes your toilet yeah you need him a lot more than grok like to put breasts on a mouse like 0.93

02:02:46.420 yeah that's great like awesome but like that's yeah i keep catching these the ai lying i'm like 0.99

02:02:52.200 that's not true they're like oh yes you're right that isn't true thanks for pushing back i'm like

02:02:55.940 i hate you i do i've never used it but no i'll like argue some people the problem with ai was

02:03:01.880 with narcissists is it creates this like feedback loop yeah they're like no tried that with me it's 0.95

02:03:07.640 like your comedy is unprecedented i'm like shut up grok why are you whining about nukes you know

02:03:13.200 and it's like oh how dare you and i'm just like all right i have no interest in this i think but 0.80

02:03:17.840 ai could be awesome if you programmed it with like stoicism the bible exactly farmer's almanac

02:03:23.740 like that would be that's why there's no bad tools it's like but if you program it with nonsense

02:03:27.820 that's why i think a lot of these elites are scared of ai because it needs logic yes it keeps

02:03:33.240 spiraling out if they do too many lies in it because it'll be like can't compute it's like

02:03:38.080 yeah because it doesn't make any sense how do you prove dark matter it's like because if not

02:03:43.040 they'd be wrong so can't they be wrong no their mommy told them they were the specialist boy in

02:03:48.440 the world i'm like here we go again it's exactly right so do you worry that it becomes autonomous

02:03:54.580 and like breaks free i worry that like they they take up all the energy and water in an area and

02:04:01.140 it's the most annoying ugly loud awful thing but like lessons have to be learned in a very hard

02:04:08.900 way that's why they're opening back up with nuclear energy because they they need so much

02:04:13.500 energy for this stuff like mind-blowing amounts of energy that like they never like the the dreamy

02:04:20.860 wizard guys they never think logistically they just assume that all the peasants will do it

02:04:25.660 they'll figure it out exactly yeah and so it's like dude the amount of energy like dry cleaning 1.00

02:04:29.820 nobody has any idea what dry cleaning is yeah but everyone uses it like these koreans are having a

02:04:34.500 blast yeah yeah and i had to re-figure out all this stuff that's why i started respecting so

02:04:39.740 many other like i actually get along with more races and cultures now oh i'm sure because so

02:04:44.760 many like okay like you know i've been under muslim spells before you know and like you know

02:04:50.200 people always say that they do a certain act with goats and whatnot yeah yeah when people started 0.89

02:04:54.660 saying that about me i was like how dare you you're not getting my goat milk and like muslim

02:04:59.200 guys are like you see like what kind of goat do you have i'm like these guys don't understand goat 0.81

02:05:04.180 farming it's like you like relate that's how america works it's like you have to relate with

02:05:08.540 work and reality exactly yeah like there's no melting pot without dudes building beautiful

02:05:14.880 things yes together yeah it's the exact opposite as as presented it's like no it's all about just

02:05:22.440 having different skin tones and a homogenized culture that we create that will definitely 0.64

02:05:27.960 self-destruct you see what i mean it's so horrifying that i use comedy because it helps 1.00

02:05:33.300 people bridge the gap no but what you said is exactly right yeah yeah and i used to feel like

02:05:39.100 what was that that myth there was it's this girl's name which sounds a little gay that i'm

02:05:43.900 comparing myself to it but it's it's a girl that can see the future and no one believes her

02:05:47.780 remember that one i think that's the experience of everyone who can see the future right right

02:05:51.780 or just yeah or just a pattern every profit yeah not a problem just a pattern yeah you know because

02:05:57.240 you're like dude if if you do this that will definitely happen and they're like how dare you

02:06:04.240 and then it happens and they're like my bad dude i'm like all good and then they do literally the

02:06:08.760 same exact thing yes that's when i'm like that's when i have to be like it's not up to me like

02:06:14.340 that's the whole non-profit thing non-profit is that a spell i gotta think about that oh it feels

02:06:20.960 it right feels it yeah a profit whoa because you already have so many when it comes to money with

02:06:27.980 current you know currency and liquid and frozen assets and it's all like water metaphors but it's

02:06:33.920 it's fake you have the living water and then you have the fake water why do you think they've

02:06:39.600 chosen water metaphors because i think the real uh current like water is so important to life

02:06:46.800 right it's like the arteries of life and the movement of it like is what cleans the water

02:06:51.300 yes and so they want uh money velocity is their whole thing it's like move currency flow flow make

02:06:57.320 you know you know gary coin table coin like flow but in reality like real current flowing is what

02:07:04.300 cleans it it makes it alive there's little ripples in it and it like is magic and so you know the

02:07:09.640 banks of the river the frozen asset underwater above water you know it's it's the fake version

02:07:16.780 version of reality and that's you'll see that over and over again like the iCloud the ethernet

02:07:23.700 cord like they're always trying to mimic mimic and it's always worse it's like copying a VHS

02:07:30.100 over and over again yes and so that's why it's always just a step behind it's like margarine

02:07:35.120 it's like it's like butter but bad and it kind of kills you like okay man I think you're one of

02:07:43.440 the wisest people i've ever interviewed you know lifetime of interviewing people so i'm grateful

02:07:46.820 that you did this i'm gonna end as wise as a kid or a dog though that's why i'm always discharging

02:07:50.900 it i'm like i'm like no like i think normally people are all like this because sometimes people

02:07:57.920 are like man you're like special i'm like i promise i'm not i'm just around animals and 0.82

02:08:01.720 kids all the time yes well that is because i'm like retarded too you know what i mean like because 0.84

02:08:07.040 that's because sometimes people see me like make these like i don't know this insanely obvious 0.77

02:08:11.060 thing and they're like i thought you were like i'm like no i'm i'm just i can see patterns i did

02:08:16.960 music i hate jazz you know it's like what last question okay why are animals so important you've

02:08:24.180 made reference that a couple of times around animals because they're our responsibility and

02:08:28.480 they're and they're pure in their nature like they can't really do evil yes and so it can seem like

02:08:33.920 it but it's really it's it's kind of like the family where it's like when people blame women

02:08:37.460 and then women blame kids it's like if you want to take responsibility you have to take

02:08:42.660 responsibility for everything like the father takes care of the woman takes care of the children 0.57

02:08:47.400 it's like that with animals so you can't abuse animals because that's our dominion like that is

02:08:53.400 our job yes and so when you when you're good to your animals and you have the morality of it

02:08:59.620 they're just so like i'm still not over the death of my last dog like i was thinking about that when

02:09:04.120 you guys were asking me about dogs yesterday and i'm like i got winston george is awesome but

02:09:08.480 i haven't fully i'm still like but benny you know i planted him under a tree and it's just like it's

02:09:14.840 still intense because he was like this loyal companion to me for so long and so it's like

02:09:20.840 when people hate kids and dogs it's a problem because if you if you treat them badly they show

02:09:25.300 it so if you're a sadist your dog is bad yes or your kids are acting out you know it's like they're

02:09:32.180 not born bad and so it's like you know them by their fruits it's like they are your responsibility 0.90

02:09:38.360 anything above you that's why i don't really care about the fake hierarchy people i'm like i'm not

02:09:43.920 responsible for jeff bezos yeah that's his realm like i but like if my wife was super depressed

02:09:50.320 or my kids were acting out or my animals i'm like that's me like somehow i have to take full

02:09:56.320 accountability of that and so that's why being around animals and kids it it reflects back to

02:10:01.940 me what i'm supposed to do yes you know like where my weaknesses are like i'm not their best buddy

02:10:07.740 all the time you know what i mean it's like i have to have that firm line or else they're not

02:10:12.100 gonna grow properly so they're like a living example of your duty they are your duty yes

02:10:20.180 yeah and so me like if i'm if i don't have any boundaries with certain things it's not going to

02:10:26.060 help the kid when they're in other environments that's why like look what i do for a living like

02:10:30.260 I have some some trash in me I'm a little ghetto a little bit like I can speak in a way where I'm

02:10:34.280 like oh that's wicked great you know my kids don't speak like that because I just took I didn't want 0.94

02:10:40.220 them to have that burden of speaking in a way that eliminates them from opportunities yes so

02:10:45.480 it sometimes is really funny how like insanely nice they are and I thought they would be like

02:10:51.340 possibly naive I'm like you know growing up I had to like deal with stuff and it made me

02:10:55.660 no they can spot tricks a mile away because they're in a harmonious state

02:10:59.860 so like they'll be like i don't trust that guy with the purple jacket dad

02:11:04.540 you know like they can just see that something's off like why is that guy

02:11:07.900 like acting like that you know your dogs are the same way yeah yeah totally they're just like

02:11:13.960 and so that's why again i'm very hopeful i want to leave your listeners like with that with the

02:11:19.240 hope aspect because it's not it's not naive it's like it is there like i'm not ignoring

02:11:25.400 i don't think pandas are real as described i'm sorry panda bears like i know about a lot of lies

02:11:31.920 are like i think they're like shih tzu dogs like i think they're they were never wild

02:11:36.200 really they ovulate three days a year they can't survive all they do is eat bamboo and they cannot

02:11:43.140 make them procreate guess what a group of pandas is called what an embarrassment of pandas 0.92

02:11:48.340 if the more you look into that the more china owns all of them which only happens if you have 0.62

02:11:55.560 a patent right and and the first time they were never in chinese literature or art until the end

02:12:00.380 of the 19th century what yeah pandas weren't my theory is they were like bred to eat bamboo

02:12:06.680 because bamboo is super hard to get rid of and all they do is eat bamboo and they're like 0.98

02:12:11.280 retarded and they roll down hills and they can't have sex they weren't in chinese art or literature 0.98

02:12:18.100 Never. 1.00

02:12:18.560 Not until the end of the 1800s.

02:12:20.120 Okay, so that proves it right there

02:12:22.240 because how could you not paint a panda?

02:12:23.860 Yeah, and then people are like,

02:12:24.860 oh, so you think they're robots? 0.91

02:12:25.940 I'm like, have you ever seen a Shih... 0.96

02:12:26.960 You think there were wild Shih Tzus? 0.99

02:12:29.700 So I'm aware of a lot of deception in the world

02:12:32.860 and I'm still...

02:12:34.420 My blinders are not up.

02:12:37.200 It's better knowing that it's all good.

02:12:40.700 This world is a gift.

02:12:42.880 Life is a gift, you know?

02:12:44.220 I can't think of a conversation I've enjoyed more

02:12:48.060 thank you

02:12:48.640 me too

02:12:49.060 thanks for having me man

02:12:50.140 wonderful

The Tucker Carlson Show - May 15, 2026

The Most Canceled Man in Comedy： Exposing Hollywood, Defending Racist Jokes & Overcoming Dark Forces

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