The Tucker Carlson Show - Tony Aguilar Details the Shocking War Crimes He’s Witnessing in Gaza

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00:00:32.940 Mr. Aguilar, thank you so much for joining us.

00:00:35.060 Before I ask you any questions, I want to read what I think is your biography or parts of it

00:00:41.000 because I want the audience to understand who you are.

00:00:44.980 And so I'm going to read this and you tell me if I've gotten anything wrong.

00:00:48.820 So you're a retired lieutenant colonel in the United States Army.

00:00:52.460 You went to West Point.

00:00:53.260 You got your commission in the Army straight out of West Point.

00:00:56.040 You served for 25 years in the U.S. Army as a combat infantry officer and a special forces,

00:01:01.100 a Green Beret officer.

00:01:02.780 You were deployed 12 times to Iraq, three times, Afghanistan, three times.

00:01:09.120 You were deployed to Syria, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Jordan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand,

00:01:14.760 Cambodia, and Vietnam.

00:01:16.760 You saw combat in many of those venues.

00:01:20.560 You're highly decorated.

00:01:21.560 You were wounded in combat, received a Purple Heart.

00:01:24.140 You got a Bronze Star for valor in combat, an Army Commendation Medal for valor in combat.

00:01:30.460 And then earlier this year, you found yourself working in Gaza under GHF.

00:01:36.360 And I'll ask you to explain what that is in a moment.

00:01:38.520 You were in Gaza from the 17th of May this year, 2025, through June 26, 2025, which was last month.

00:01:46.540 Is all of that correct?

00:01:49.420 That is correct, sir.

00:01:51.000 And the reason that I wanted to establish that before you tell the story that you're going to tell us

00:01:55.860 is because very, very few Americans have been in Gaza in the last couple of years.

00:02:02.220 And I don't know any others who have the experience in chaotic situations and combat situations that you have who've been there.

00:02:12.160 And I think that really matters.

00:02:13.720 Anyone who's been around combat knows it's enormously confusing.

00:02:16.180 And having 25 years of experience around violence, I think, gives you greater credibility

00:02:21.620 because it suggests you can interpret what's happening accurately in a way that people who haven't had that experience probably can't.

00:02:27.960 But so with that, I want to ask you the first and most obvious question.

00:02:32.540 What is GHF in Gaza?

00:02:36.680 So the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was established to take over the aid distribution into Gaza,

00:02:49.440 replacing the former United Nations aid delivery mechanism post-blocking or cutting off of the Gaza enclave.

00:03:00.580 So there was no aid going in up until May 26 when we started operations.

00:03:07.160 And the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was established to lead that effort overall.

00:03:13.740 So the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, I'm not sure in terms of what their actual status is in terms of a company or an NGO or a nonprofit.

00:03:24.400 I don't know what they're classified as, but I know that their GHF is the overall lead for both of the contract mechanisms in Gaza.

00:03:35.600 So after 25 years as a U.S. Army officer, West Point graduate, Special Forces officer, all these combat deployments,

00:03:44.660 all the decorations that you received, how did you wind up distributing aid in Gaza?

00:03:51.160 Well, sir, on May 13th, I received a phone call from the UG Solutions.

00:03:56.900 UG Solutions is a subcontract for the security portion of this aid distribution method.

00:04:02.680 They're stationed here in Davidson, North Carolina, where I live.

00:04:07.480 I retired out of Fort Bragg.

00:04:09.600 And they contacted me basically looking for experienced, recently retired or recently gotten out of the military,

00:04:18.020 experienced combat veterans, Special Forces operations background.

00:04:22.320 So they contacted me and explained the mission to me.

00:04:26.800 Up until that point, until I got that phone call, I was not aware of what UG Solutions or the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was.

00:04:35.460 So I was interested and I listened to what they had to say.

00:04:39.060 The reason I'm asking you this is I know that after this interview airs, there will be a concerted attempt to discredit you as a man.

00:04:48.540 And I'm certain, having seen this happen many times, that one of the criticisms we levied against you

00:04:53.720 is that you were some sort of political activist with a political axe to grind or an ideological axe to grind.

00:04:59.140 And are you, because it sounds like from the story you're telling now, that you were a retired Army officer who received a call because of your combat experience.

00:05:08.620 Is that correct?

00:05:12.100 Prior to that phone call on the 13th of May, sir, and remind you, I did retire on the 1st of January.

00:05:17.760 I didn't retire years ago.

00:05:19.580 Retired through the 1st of January and my last day in the Army was 1 March.

00:05:22.800 I was very happy and content.

00:05:27.920 My wife also served a career in the military. 0.99

00:05:30.800 She is a retired career military officer.

00:05:32.720 Between the two of us, we have 45 years of service.

00:05:35.760 Between her and I with my son, we've missed almost every birthday, every anniversary, every Christmas from the time that he was born to the majority of our marriage.

00:05:42.500 And we're still married 17 years later.

00:05:45.440 So I was very much comfortable and established in my retirement lifestyle.

00:05:50.380 No political aspirations, no aspirations to go into another line of work.

00:05:55.100 I'm starting school in the fall.

00:05:56.780 That was my aspiration.

00:05:58.520 I enjoyed making breakfast for my family, taking my son to school every morning, Boy Scout meetings, PTO meetings, watching the Golden Girls in the afternoon with a cup of tea, walking the dog.

00:06:09.700 That was my life.

00:06:10.840 And I was very content.

00:06:11.840 And when I got the phone call, I felt that initially, because I didn't know much about the situation, when they first called me, I said, hey, I'd like to take a day to kind of do my own research and just kind of understand what it's all about.

00:06:25.300 My answer is not no, but my answer is not yes.

00:06:27.860 So I took the day.

00:06:28.800 I took the rest of the day.

00:06:29.700 I believe it was a Wednesday.

00:06:30.480 And I went through the, you know, I started to read about GHF.

00:06:34.500 Not a lot out there.

00:06:35.660 I started to read about Safe Reach Solutions, which is the prime contract.

00:06:39.540 Not a lot out there.

00:06:40.880 I read a little bit about UG Solutions.

00:06:43.720 UG Solutions had been the contract that sent contractors into Gaza in late January through March to control the Netzerim checkpoint once the ceasefire broke, or the ceasefire started, I should say, for the Palestinians that were allowed to then go back into Gaza City.

00:07:00.480 So they had some credibility.

00:07:01.880 They had, it seemed like not many people had done contracts in Gaza.

00:07:07.120 UGS did.

00:07:08.260 So I figured that this would be an opportunity to link up with a company that had the experience.

00:07:15.380 But I was more interested in the mission.

00:07:17.880 I say this again, and I've said it again.

00:07:20.140 You know, I don't know Johnny Moore, the director or CEO or whatever the title is of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

00:07:27.520 But there is something that he said that I do agree with.

00:07:29.560 That there's nothing more Christian than feeding people.

00:07:33.420 And in terms of the sentiment of doing goodwill, feeding starving people, I served for the majority of my career after being an infantry officer and going to special forces.

00:07:44.280 The special forces motto, as you see in the picture behind me of first special forces group, is de oppresso liber, to free the oppressed.

00:07:53.500 That is our motto.

00:07:54.400 So I don't just, I just didn't have that on my uniform.

00:07:57.980 I lived that.

00:08:00.460 The civilian population in Gaza, politics aside, political views, religious positions aside, they are being oppressed.

00:08:11.520 Food, water, education, life, dignity.

00:08:15.160 And I wanted to be a part of going in to help in some way.

00:08:20.320 So I have no political aspirations.

00:08:22.960 I have no political leanings.

00:08:24.200 I have no desire to write a book or before doing these interviews, I don't even have social media and I've never really been out on the Internet.

00:08:32.920 This is all very overwhelming for me.

00:08:35.140 But my wife was a big factor behind me going on the record.

00:08:39.760 My wife being, again, a retired military officer, we understand a lot of the same values.

00:08:44.520 And she explained to me, she said, you know, no one else can tell this story.

00:08:48.380 No one else was there.

00:08:50.120 Not only were you there, you were on the sites and no one else saw it through the eyes of your experience.

00:08:54.020 In the places you've been, in the places you've, in the things that you've done, the lens you look at this through is different than most people have.

00:09:02.380 You need to go on the record.

00:09:03.760 The American people need to know this.

00:09:06.500 My motivations in this are patriotic.

00:09:09.360 I want to inform the American people, my fellow citizens, of what's going on in Gaza, what our taxpayers' dollars are funding, and what American citizens on the ground are being faced with.

00:09:22.520 America needs to know.

00:09:26.080 So tell us what you saw, and I'm grateful to your wife for her encouragement on that.

00:09:32.280 I think she's absolutely right.

00:09:33.620 The United States is paying for this, and there is almost no information coming out of Gaza.

00:09:37.300 The news media, of course, are barred.

00:09:39.860 It's been going on for more than a couple years now.

00:09:42.540 It'll be three years in October.

00:09:44.200 And the sense is that there's something profound going on, but, of course, there's no way to know what's going on.

00:09:50.920 So what did you see when you arrived?

00:09:52.280 What were your perceptions of Gaza?

00:09:56.700 So my initial perceptions of Gaza, just in terms of the physical aspect, is that I would just describe it as post-apocalyptic.

00:10:04.780 Something akin to Terminator 2, when the T-100s are walking through the destroyed landscape.

00:10:13.260 It's human depravity.

00:10:16.260 It's the oppression of dignity.

00:10:18.360 It's the entire area.

00:10:21.520 Like, for example, in the south, in Rafa.

00:10:23.620 I saw pictures of Rafa prior to the current war.

00:10:29.900 And there were nice buildings.

00:10:31.620 There were beach resorts.

00:10:32.920 There were, you know, streetlights and neighborhoods.

00:10:35.940 And now it is leveled to the ground.

00:10:38.460 There is not a building that stands.

00:10:39.680 And the rubble is piled up.

00:10:41.920 And, you know, as you go, as you drive through Rafa to one of our points, secure distribution site number three was in Rafa.

00:10:49.860 So we would have to drive through the old southern Rafa corridor to get there and all of the homes just in piles and rubble.

00:10:59.120 And you can see, you know, someone's couch that's hanging from a piece of rebar out of the second floor of a building or a refrigerator smashed or family photos that were on the wall that are now, you know, shattered and broken.

00:11:10.460 Like, these lives were just destroyed and taken.

00:11:14.760 And that's the scene of Gaza.

00:11:19.320 On the news, airdrops were conducted over the last 48 hours.

00:11:23.800 And journalists were prohibited or encouraged not to take video or pictures of the overhead scenery.

00:11:31.120 Because if the world sees that, I think the world would step back and pause to say, what are we doing?

00:11:38.900 What have we become?

00:11:41.060 You've spent your life in combat zones.

00:11:43.000 That's why I think your testimony is so compelling, because you have a frame of reference.

00:11:47.840 You've seen a lot of destruction and a lot of killing in your life for 25 years.

00:11:51.160 How would you compare what you saw in Gaza to what you've seen in, say, Afghanistan or Iraq?

00:11:55.960 Nothing compares.

00:11:56.760 Nothing I have seen in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Baghdad, in Mosul, Sadr City, all throughout Afghanistan, Syria, the southern Philippines, some places where there's dense populations.

00:12:11.300 I have never witnessed anything as brutal, destructive, violent.

00:12:17.540 And I would say that that steps far over our international laws of how we persecute wars and how we engage in warfare.

00:12:30.260 We've long departed from that standard.

00:12:33.920 And America is a part of it.

00:12:37.740 How is it obvious that America is a part of it?

00:12:40.080 I know that we know academically the United States is paying for this and has always paid for it.

00:12:45.420 But do you see American weapons?

00:12:48.580 Do you see American military personnel?

00:12:50.560 How enmeshed in this are we?

00:12:53.900 So the 314 government contractors under UG Solutions, the majority, not all of them, but in the high 80th, high 80 percentile, are combat veterans from the military, directly from the military combat veterans like myself.

00:13:12.020 You have a mix of law enforcement, you have a mix of people that had experience in various security backgrounds within that military portion.

00:13:20.400 There's a good portion of them that are special operations, Marine Corps, Navy SEALs, Green Berets.

00:13:26.320 So all of the contractors on the ground are Americans.

00:13:29.260 And the, you know, the interesting part of that is that when we first entered Israel, I was, I kind of had to take a pause and I was like, are we, are you kidding?

00:13:40.880 Like, we were all, we were and are, we are in Israel, armed with fully automatic weapons and pistols and shotguns and stun grenades and machine guns, going into Gaza on a tourist visa.

00:13:55.260 We are there on a tourist visa.

00:13:59.200 So if my grandmother wanted to go visit Jerusalem, she would be in Israel under the same status that I was.

00:14:05.420 Why is that?

00:14:09.120 At first I didn't understand it, but then I went and I did some research as to why, why didn't we do a, a B1 entry visa as subject matter experts invited by the government or under a different authority.

00:14:20.280 There's, there's various entry visa options and it dawned on me that, oh, well, if you want to submit for a, a form of B1 or a different form of the B2 under a work visa, um, one, that's expensive.

00:14:33.880 And two, that takes time.

00:14:36.100 You have to coordinate that ahead of time.

00:14:37.860 And this mission was thrown together and there's, there's no one within SRS or UG solutions that will, that will, that will push back against this because we all know it.

00:14:47.720 It was, it was thrown together very hastily.

00:14:51.260 And it was just kind of, uh, a mix of throwing so many parts together, trying to get it all to come together that I think things were done to be, to be fast, fast and loose, as I would call it.

00:15:02.540 And, uh, one of those was, hey, go online, fill out your Israeli visa, get your e-visa, tourist visa, $25 and come on over to Israel.

00:15:11.760 So, uh, you said all of the contractors are American, um, the Israeli military, the IDF leveled Gaza.

00:15:20.700 Are there any Israelis helping to feed or take care of, sustain the life of the Palestinians?

00:15:29.880 Or is it all Americans who were, who were helping?

00:15:35.280 So this is what was another aspect that was both interesting and concerning to me that.

00:15:41.760 That, and I raised this issue early on because, you know, when I, when I use the term war crimes, people think that, oh, you're just exaggerating.

00:15:49.640 Well, I'm well-versed in the protocols, the Geneva convention, the protocols of the alarms of our laws of armed conflict, the protocols of international humanitarian law, because I had, I had to know those things as an officer leading men in combat.

00:16:03.060 I didn't have the option.

00:16:04.300 Ignorance was not an option.

00:16:05.620 So I, some of the things now I don't have it, you know, memorized, but there's some pretty key elements in it.

00:16:11.340 They kind of stand out.

00:16:12.340 Like the, I don't know the, every word to the constitution, but I can recite the preamble.

00:16:16.520 So I know what some of them are in terms of like, what, like what the don'ts are. 1.00

00:16:21.280 One thing that struck me as, as concerning is that there are only four secure distribution sites in Gaza under the Gaza humanitarian foundation for prior to the blockade.

00:16:33.680 And prior to the stopping of U.N. aid going in, there were 400.

00:16:38.600 So out of the four sites that we have, only four, three of them are co-located within 150 to 200 meters from each other.

00:16:47.740 All of them in the far southwest corner of the enclave near the Egyptian border.

00:16:54.200 It's nowhere near the people that need it.

00:16:58.980 North of the Netzerim corridor, which bisects central Gaza from the north.

00:17:03.920 In the north, you have Gaza City and Jabalia.

00:17:07.120 That is where the population right now is the most vulnerable, where you have death, starvation.

00:17:12.940 They're isolated.

00:17:14.740 No aid is going into there and there's no aid sites there.

00:17:18.940 So prior to us deploying, you know, as a, as a prudent military planner mindset, you know, I'm not in the army anymore, but I didn't, you know, I still carry the skills.

00:17:30.060 I did a little bit what I would call operational preparation in the environment.

00:17:33.560 I did my research, looked at Gaza, figured out the population, where the population centers were, what, what people ate, where they, you know, where they primarily lived and what they did.

00:17:46.200 And I saw that, okay, well, the entire northern enclave of Gaza is cut off and isolated and none of the sites that we've put in are in that area.

00:17:55.620 So who are we providing aid to?

00:17:59.040 So the three sites out of the four that are all the way down in the southern tip of the enclave, all of them are co-located or co-nearly located with an IDF combat unit.

00:18:13.640 In that area is where the IDF is actively conducting.

00:18:18.460 And this is, this is not an opinion that anybody can refute.

00:18:22.480 This is a fact.

00:18:23.280 You can look it up.

00:18:24.760 The, yeah, the IDF is currently conducting Operation Gideon's Chariots.

00:18:29.640 It's an offensive operation.

00:18:31.400 It's not a defensive.

00:18:32.600 It's not a security.

00:18:33.420 It's not an aid operation.

00:18:34.540 It is an offensive combat operation.

00:18:37.000 And they are conducting that in the south where all three out of the three or four sites are located.

00:18:44.020 We established secure distribution sites to deliver and distribute humanitarian aid, not only co-located with Israeli combat units, but located in an active combat zone.

00:18:56.420 I can't make it clearer to the leadership there and to the lawyers that I've spoke with at GHF and UG Solutions that that is a war crime, verbatim, out of the protocols of the Geneva Convention, which last time I checked, the United States was still a signatory to, and the laws of international laws and international humanitarian law.

00:19:18.100 So, clearly, there's no question about it.

00:19:21.520 So, to say that, well, it's okay in this one instance, it's not.

00:19:26.380 It's not okay.

00:19:27.600 So, just from immediately being there, I realized that the planning and the coordination for this operation had either been done by people that had no idea, no concept of planning at that level to take into all the considerations that you have to take into an environment like this.

00:19:43.980 You can't just go into a mission like this and say, oh, we'll just wing it.

00:19:46.660 You have to consider the legal, the political, the environmental, the cultural, the military aspects.

00:19:54.160 You have to consider every aspect when you go into planning something like this.

00:19:59.100 And it was obvious that that had not been done.

00:20:02.140 So, in my mind, I was like, this is either complete ignorance or it's intentional.

00:20:09.220 They were intentionally put here.

00:20:11.440 So, I don't know the answer to that.

00:20:12.960 Someday, that's going to come out when the truth breaks and the international community looks and opens this box and starts digging into this nasty problem.

00:20:21.600 The truth will come out.

00:20:23.140 So, it's my hope that we didn't do that intentionally because that would not only make us war criminals, that would just make us evil.

00:20:29.260 So, but the fact still remains, three of the four distribution sites are in an active combat zone.

00:20:35.980 The fourth site up in central Gaza near the Nasserine Corridor is co-located with an Israeli combat unit, a tank unit, mind you.

00:20:43.520 A Markaba Tank Company is located adjacent to the distribution site.

00:20:48.440 So, if someone were to look through the annals of history and see how the United States government participated in the distribution of humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza, and they look at the maps and they're looking at everything, they're like, what was going on here?

00:21:00.300 Why are you distributing humanitarian aid in the middle of a combat zone?

00:21:04.060 It's a question that needs to be asked and needs to be answered, I think.

00:21:07.280 Do you have any sense of what the current population of Gaza is, which is another way of asking, how many people have been killed?

00:21:16.760 How many Palestinians have died in Gaza?

00:21:19.580 Do we know?

00:21:22.380 Well, we, I don't think anyone has a, has a firm number that we can all collectively trust.

00:21:28.120 I know that the, the Gaza health ministry has a, has a number.

00:21:32.060 I mean, I can't, I haven't been able to validate or verify that, but I know that one thing I can tell you for a fact is that people have been killed.

00:21:40.120 I've seen it.

00:21:41.120 It's a fact.

00:21:41.940 People have been killed.

00:21:43.240 What the current population is now, I know that prior to the blockade, kind of the, the last census for Gaza that was taken in, I believe, 2018, the population was declared to be around 2.2, 2.21 million.

00:21:56.900 What it is now, I don't know, but I would assume that the population has been greatly decreased.

00:22:03.040 What I do know about the population outside of the demographics of it, of the size, is that the majority, a far majority of the population is completely isolated from the central southern portion of Gaza.

00:22:15.120 And they're completely isolated in the south, or excuse me, in the north, north of the Nasserim corridor in Gaza City.

00:22:21.780 So that would be if you took everybody in New York and crammed them into southern Manhattan and said that's the only place you can be out of all of New York City.

00:22:31.160 It's, it's a nightmare.

00:22:34.220 And I don't know why, well, you know, to be fair, I do know why it's happening.

00:22:39.560 I don't know why we're accepting it.

00:22:41.000 I don't know why we're a part of it, because it's, it's a war crime to do that. 0.61

00:22:48.080 It is a war crime to intentionally displace the civilian population on the battlefield in combat operations.

00:22:55.100 What is displacement?

00:22:56.640 Well, moving people from where they live to a place that they don't and not letting them go back. 0.88

00:23:02.100 It's in the fourth protocol of the Geneva Convention, and we just turn a blind eye to it.

00:23:06.660 It's happening.

00:23:07.400 I mean, Netanyahu himself has said it.

00:23:10.500 Yesterday, Gaza Humanitarian Foundation did a press conference where they even introduced it as,

00:23:15.120 we are feeding the starving and displaced population of Gaza.

00:23:18.940 Okay, thank you, Chapin Faye, you just admitted to a war crime.

00:23:22.560 You're displacing the population.

00:23:25.000 I mean, it's, these aren't rules that Tony Aguilar wrote.

00:23:28.180 These are rules that the international community wrote and agreed to, and we're not following them.

00:23:32.360 Now, what the IDF does, is that on us, per se?

00:23:36.980 At the strategic level, I think it would be as one of our allies.

00:23:40.140 But at the ground level, maybe it's not.

00:23:42.300 But we are definitely complicit in this ongoing operation.

00:23:47.060 And when the world looks, look at, look what's happened in the last couple of days.

00:23:50.420 France is going to recognize them.

00:23:53.080 Canada is going to recognize them.

00:23:54.840 The United Kingdom is about to recognize them.

00:23:57.300 The reasons why, and the politics aside,

00:23:59.220 the fact that they're going to do that is a fact.

00:24:01.520 That is a reality.

00:24:02.920 So the world is going to become far, far more interested in what's going on.

00:24:08.300 Because I think the world has taken the blinders off to now look,

00:24:11.180 okay, maybe it's not as bad as the far left says,

00:24:15.040 or it's not as good as the far right says.

00:24:17.420 But something's going on here.

00:24:18.980 Like, something stinks in Mudville.

00:24:21.160 Like, we got to take a look at this.

00:24:22.500 And when they look at it, and they open that box,

00:24:24.740 it's the IDF, the Israeli government, with hands in the air.

00:24:29.880 They're going to go, wasn't us. 0.69

00:24:33.540 America helped us do it.

00:24:34.860 It's their money.

00:24:36.060 And then the world's going to say, what say you, America?

00:24:38.640 And right now, we do not have a good answer for that.

00:24:41.380 And if we're going to bank on, oh, well, we didn't know.

00:24:45.440 Or we just did what the IDF did.

00:24:48.420 Shame on us.

00:24:49.840 Shame on us.

00:24:50.820 That is not the American way. 0.92

00:24:52.440 Those aren't American values.

00:24:53.460 We don't kowtow to somebody else's standards.

00:24:57.120 We set the standard.

00:25:02.940 Thank you, Colonel, for doing this interview.

00:25:05.760 How are people eating in the north?

00:25:07.700 If there's one distribution center in the middle of a combat zone,

00:25:10.660 and the majority, you say you think the majority,

00:25:12.740 or certainly a big chunk of the population,

00:25:15.200 is in the north, or central Gaza, northern Gaza.

00:25:18.200 How are they eating?

00:25:20.520 Great question.

00:25:21.320 Great question.

00:25:23.460 I don't know.

00:25:28.620 Is the Israeli government bringing food in?

00:25:32.360 I do know that the Israeli, so the Israeli, within the Israeli government,

00:25:35.840 there's an organization called Kogat.

00:25:39.020 It's at the government ministerial level that includes, it would be, I would compare it to

00:25:45.220 what like USAID was, if USAID belonged to the Ministry of Defense or the Department

00:25:50.340 of Defense, like militarized aid type of thing, or militarized humanitarian assistance.

00:25:54.460 That's how I would describe it.

00:25:55.480 But it's an organization called Kogat, C-O-T-A-G. 0.97

00:25:58.680 It's an acronym.

00:25:59.520 I can't recall it off the top of my head because I didn't have much interaction with them.

00:26:02.760 But I know that Kogat does coordinate for the IDF.

00:26:08.920 So not the UN escorted by the IDF, not the IDF escorting us, but escorts humanitarian aid

00:26:16.820 trucks that we provide, GHF trucks.

00:26:19.300 We will provide some to the Israelis to drive into certain areas of the central corridor.

00:26:27.360 In my time there, until recently, until like just the last couple of days when the UN trucks

00:26:31.800 were allowed to go into the north.

00:26:33.740 So when you see the trucks on the news that are being swarmed with thousands of people,

00:26:37.800 that's not in the south by the three distribution sites or central Gaza.

00:26:43.440 That's north of the Nesarin corridor.

00:26:45.480 So those trucks aren't coming in from the Egyptian border going all the way up and they're getting

00:26:50.320 just attacked all the way.

00:26:51.600 They're going directly into the heart of darkness.

00:26:53.620 They're going through the Erez crossing, which is the Israeli Gaza crossing to the north.

00:26:57.860 And they're going directly in with aid to a starving population that hasn't had any food

00:27:02.040 for months.

00:27:03.300 So what they're eating, what they have been eating, I don't know.

00:27:07.660 And I think that when with the UN going back in there and with the international community

00:27:12.540 going back in there, we're going to find some things that

00:27:15.480 it's not going to be pretty.

00:27:19.160 I mean, that reckoning is coming.

00:27:22.580 The people in the northern portion alone, I know, are facing mass starvation.

00:27:27.420 Now, I'm not educated in humanitarian assistance or world food program in terms of what declares

00:27:35.620 a technical state of famine.

00:27:37.560 I know there's like a certain level of not eating for a certain amount of days within a

00:27:42.220 population that equals famine.

00:27:43.360 So I don't know if I could technically call it a famine because I don't know what those

00:27:46.900 rules are, but I would call it starvation.

00:27:50.580 So when and I'm glad I'm glad that the president of the United States came out last week or

00:27:55.420 excuse me, yesterday on Politico and other outlets and said that he acknowledges and recognizes

00:28:00.420 the starvation in Gaza.

00:28:02.120 Thank you, Mr. President.

00:28:04.320 That is exactly what's going on.

00:28:06.660 The narrative of there's no starvation and there's no hunger going on in Gaza.

00:28:14.760 That is negligent.

00:28:16.340 That is shameful that anybody would say that.

00:28:18.640 Not only is it evident to the world, I've seen it.

00:28:24.340 So if you don't trust doctors and lawyers and aid workers and NGOs and Europeans and Westerners

00:28:34.300 and Middle Easterners and all these people all over the world, Asians, everybody that's

00:28:37.940 been in there that has seen this problem set, if you don't believe them, you can believe

00:28:43.640 me.

00:28:44.360 I'm an American.

00:28:45.600 I was there.

00:28:46.380 I have no agenda in this.

00:28:48.000 I witnessed Palestinian parents, mothers and fathers carrying their dead children in 1.00

00:28:54.460 their arms, skeletons.

00:28:57.580 I witnessed that.

00:28:58.680 I've witnessed people that have come onto the sites that you can see that they are just

00:29:04.300 completely emaciated and starving.

00:29:06.720 That's not fake.

00:29:08.800 So if if the deniers want to think that we got Stanley Kubrick to go into Gaza and take

00:29:13.680 a bunch of crisis actors and shoot a film on to, you know, to fake this starvation, but

00:29:18.780 it's real and people are dying at this point right now because we, the United States, the

00:29:28.240 Gaza Humanitarian Fund put up our hand and said, we'll do it.

00:29:31.480 The starvation at this point has gotten worse than it was before because the Gaza Humanitarian 1.00

00:29:38.320 Foundation's process is leading to that starvation because it's not delivering enough aid, not

00:29:45.380 even nearly enough, not even nearly to be to be a fraction of enough.

00:29:50.440 And I've got those numbers quick to talk about if you'd like, but it's shocking when you hear

00:29:54.440 the numbers.

00:29:54.980 I would and I would be interested.

00:29:58.240 At some point to learn a lot more about the Gaza, about this foundation, Gaza Humanitarian

00:30:03.740 Foundation.

00:30:04.000 I would too.

00:30:04.620 I think I think I think the world would like to know more about the foundation.

00:30:07.760 The man who runs it, who is a prominent Christian Zionist, is I don't think he has a background 0.94

00:30:13.680 in in aid distribution.

00:30:16.300 He strikes me from reading about him as a political figure.

00:30:20.660 So I'm a little bit confused by this, but it sounds like we all have reason to be alarmed

00:30:25.440 by it.

00:30:26.340 So if you could proceed with those numbers, you should be alarmed by it.

00:30:28.780 Grateful.

00:30:29.200 I'd feel safer.

00:30:30.580 I'd be safer grading a driving test by Ray Charles than listening to Johnny Moore talk

00:30:34.800 about humanitarian assistance.

00:30:36.800 He has no background in there.

00:30:38.440 Have you met Johnny?

00:30:40.100 I'm sorry to laugh.

00:30:41.180 Have you met Johnny Moore?

00:30:44.360 I have not sat down and had coffee with the man.

00:30:46.980 Um, I saw him when he came to the main control center in Gaza to, to visit and then go out

00:30:54.100 on a little, uh, uh, photo op to site one.

00:30:57.240 So they brought him in under, you know, heavily armed security.

00:31:00.040 It's like kind of the, one of the things when the, when the in-laws visit, you put out the

00:31:03.080 good towels.

00:31:04.600 So, you know, when Johnny Moore visits, you know, you, you, you roll out the red carpet.

00:31:08.700 So of course, when he gets there, everything's great.

00:31:12.080 Everything's spick and span.

00:31:14.060 Um, but the other, what's funny is that it wasn't spick and span because while he was

00:31:18.000 there and another of the, um, uh, supporters that they brought in a Lieutenant Colonel, um,

00:31:24.820 British army, I don't know him.

00:31:26.580 I've never met him, but I've seen some of his interviews on site as he's standing there

00:31:30.120 talking, you can hear machine gun fire in the background.

00:31:32.700 I mean, it, it, it's akin to Baghdad Bob in 2003 proclaiming on CNN that there are no

00:31:40.160 Americans in Baghdad as an M1 Abrams tank rolls right behind him.

00:31:44.240 There are no, there are no Americans in Baghdad.

00:31:46.720 And then Abrams tank come from the third ID comes right behind him.

00:31:49.820 And he looks back and he's like, okay, there are some Americans in Baghdad.

00:31:53.760 Like that's like, like, that's like what this is right now.

00:31:58.420 It's like, no one's starving in Gaza.

00:32:00.860 Well, that person looks like they're starving.

00:32:03.240 Okay.

00:32:03.680 There's, there's some people starving in Gaza.

00:32:05.540 It's like, when is America going to wake up to the, to the garbage?

00:32:09.200 This is real. 0.94

00:32:10.180 Like people are dying.

00:32:11.840 So this is like, yeah, the, I I'd love to know more about the Gaza humanitarian foundation.

00:32:16.760 Not a lot of people can figure anything out.

00:32:18.600 I'd love to.

00:32:19.740 And the thing is, is that not revealing your sources, not revealing who you are, not revealing

00:32:24.760 where your income comes from, not revealing who your backers are, not revealing what you

00:32:28.440 do, not providing any reports, not providing reporter, not allowing reporters to go in, not providing,

00:32:33.520 um, transparent looks at your operation.

00:32:37.260 You know, who else does things like that?

00:32:39.700 North Korea, Russia, China.

00:32:44.100 Are those, are those the people that we want to say that we're like?

00:32:47.220 No, America is founded on transparency. 0.95

00:32:50.440 Our country was founded on calling out other people's bull crap, calling out other people's, 0.97

00:32:56.840 you know, like, Hey, that don't look right. 0.99

00:32:59.140 T-tax, nah, not paying that.

00:33:01.620 Not going to put up with that.

00:33:02.600 America is founded on that.

00:33:05.540 And yet we're just sitting by and letting this happen and going back, you know, so I

00:33:10.960 have not met.

00:33:11.740 Let me just ask, do you know who is funding the Gaza humanitarian foundation?

00:33:16.360 Is it, it's an arm of the state department?

00:33:19.220 It's independent NGO.

00:33:21.040 What do you know where the money comes from?

00:33:22.800 I don't, who, who is funding it from its base and like who has funded it from the beginning

00:33:27.700 and who put the, you know, the, the seed money into getting it off the ground?

00:33:32.380 I have no idea.

00:33:33.380 But I do know that many, many, many, many people in the United States government and within the,

00:33:37.800 you know, media outlets have been working for quite a long time to try to figure that

00:33:41.820 out.

00:33:42.060 So one indicator for me, you know, it's like when you're looking at a problem, I call it

00:33:46.360 like Occam's razor.

00:33:47.540 When you can't figure out what you're trying to find, but you can see the things that are

00:33:51.920 there.

00:33:52.340 It starts to tell you a picture of what the thing is that you can't see.

00:33:56.000 It's like, yes, the science of a black, of a black hole, right?

00:33:58.720 Like you can't see it, but you can see everything that's happening around it to tell you, to tell

00:34:03.440 you what's happening.

00:34:05.180 So I would say in this, okay, we have the Gaza humanitarian fund living, led by a, a Christian 1.00

00:34:13.900 Zionist who has no experience in humanitarian assistance and humanitarian aid. 0.98

00:34:18.860 The Switzerland, Switzerland would not take GHF's accounts.

00:34:24.540 Switzerland, Switzerland would even open an account for Jeffrey Epstein.

00:34:27.940 Yeah.

00:34:28.460 They won't open one for GHF.

00:34:30.580 That's, that's telling.

00:34:32.420 Like, that's like, whoa, that, that don't pass the sniff test.

00:34:36.980 Furthermore, the number one guy in charge of GHF, Gaza humanitarian foundation, Jake Wood,

00:34:43.340 who was a former employee in the beginning of, um, the early, uh, paramilitary contractor

00:34:48.440 Blackwater days.

00:34:49.460 I don't know if he was necessarily attached directly to Blackwater, but I know he was in

00:34:52.720 that contractor realm.

00:34:54.300 Jake Wood, the very first day we began distribution on 26th May, cutting of the ribbon, the golden

00:35:00.200 shovel, the shotgun start for the marathon.

00:35:02.600 You know what Jake Wood did?

00:35:05.220 I'm out.

00:35:06.340 Not going to be a part of it.

00:35:07.380 The guy in charge of the entire Gaza humanitarian foundation on the day we started distribution

00:35:11.820 for this mothership project quit.

00:35:13.740 And he quit and he stepped down citing reasons of unethical practices, not being prepared

00:35:21.600 to execute this mission properly.

00:35:24.800 And that's exactly what it is.

00:35:26.240 So, and then a couple of weeks later, uh, Boston consulting group, they stepped down because

00:35:31.100 they found out that there was things going on that were, that weren't initially conveyed

00:35:35.020 to them in the contract.

00:35:35.920 So, so they left.

00:35:37.600 So when everyone starts jumping ship, you kind of start to look around, like, where's

00:35:41.720 the hole?

00:35:42.380 Like right now, I feel like the United States that we're just, we're just rearranging the

00:35:47.560 chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

00:35:49.520 It's snapped.

00:35:50.400 It's going down.

00:35:51.220 And instead of like trying to figure out how to get to a lifeboat or trying to figure out

00:35:54.440 how to call for help, we're just, we're just rearranging the deck chairs, listening

00:35:57.540 to the band as the, as the ship goes down because we, we believe what people like Johnny

00:36:02.640 Morse, um, and it's easily, I wouldn't say it's discredit, discreditable.

00:36:07.580 I'm not out to discredit anyone.

00:36:09.320 I'm just here to present facts, facts that GHF themselves have proclaimed.

00:36:15.600 So yesterday and when, when Chapin Fay finished the Gaza humanitarian foundation press conference

00:36:23.760 of which they took no questions.

00:36:25.240 When he finished, he said, we're going to get back to work delivering 20, 26, 96 million

00:36:30.420 meals to date.

00:36:31.580 We should not be celebrating that.

00:36:34.360 That is not a mark to congratulate.

00:36:37.640 That's, and here's why we've been delivering aid from heat.

00:36:43.460 When he announced that yesterday, we've been delivering aid for 65 days, 65 days.

00:36:51.140 Now you don't have to be Copernicus to figure this out.

00:36:54.100 96 million divided by 2.21 million divided by three meals a day, divided by 65 days.

00:37:03.880 We have provided food for 15 days out of 65 into the enclave.

00:37:10.940 What happened to the other 50 days?

00:37:13.520 So to say that people aren't starving and people aren't hungry, I beg to differ.

00:37:17.300 What that breaks out to, imagine you're home.

00:37:21.200 I mean, I assume you prefer to eat a meal at least once a day, maybe two or three, you

00:37:26.020 know, like the standard breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

00:37:27.700 Most Americans think that is the standard.

00:37:29.580 You know, if you're only eating one meal a day, okay.

00:37:31.320 What if I told you that I'm only eating, I'm only eating one meal on Thursday and one

00:37:36.420 meal on Monday?

00:37:37.180 That's all I'm eating.

00:37:37.940 Would you be like, oh man, that's great.

00:37:39.300 You're in a good place.

00:37:40.580 No. 1.00

00:37:40.800 You would say like, that's stupid. 1.00

00:37:42.480 Why are you, you're starving yourself. 1.00

00:37:45.160 You know, it's, if, uh, if my son went to school and the teacher started to notice that

00:37:49.220 he was losing weight and he was emaciated and they came to my house and they said, Mr.

00:37:52.020 Aguilar, are you, is your son eating?

00:37:54.680 Yeah.

00:37:55.320 Feed him every third day, bowl of cereal every three days.

00:37:57.740 I'll feed him.

00:37:58.620 Great.

00:37:59.560 They're going to be like, uh, you should not be a parent and we're taking your child away

00:38:03.700 from you.

00:38:04.200 Yes.

00:38:04.660 So the God's Humanitarian Foundation should not be doing humanitarian aid and the United States

00:38:09.940 government should say no and take away the child, which is Palestine, Gaza, and take 1.00

00:38:16.180 all that money and support the United Nations process.

00:38:19.740 We've been a part of the United Nations for 80 years this year, 80 years, 1945, since the

00:38:25.680 United States is one of the signatories to the creation of the United Nations.

00:38:28.840 And we're giving him the finger.

00:38:30.760 Why?

00:38:31.620 Because of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation that is killing people. 0.96

00:38:35.520 That's the math.

00:38:36.600 Those numbers that I just gave you, that's using their numbers.

00:38:39.940 So if GHF is going to start politicizing math, then I think we're in a bad place.

00:38:46.160 How were you treated and how were the other American contractors treated by the IDF and

00:38:50.180 the Israeli government?

00:38:53.280 That would be a mixed bag depending on what level you were at.

00:38:56.180 I clearly remember on the 24th of May, a select few of us, a select few of the leaders were

00:39:07.280 taken to the sites, to the secure distribution sites to kind of get eyes on and kind of get

00:39:11.580 a feel for what the sites looked like, kind of get an assessment.

00:39:16.020 And I went to one of the towers.

00:39:18.260 This is Site One.

00:39:19.360 Site One is really close to the Mediterranean, right in the corner of Egypt and Gaza and the Med.

00:39:24.560 And I went up to the Western Tower and I'm just kind of looking out, assessing the area.

00:39:31.760 And sitting next to the tower, kind of at the base of it, outside of the berm, was a group of

00:39:38.280 Israeli soldiers.

00:39:38.940 And they looked up to me and they say, oh, are you an American?

00:39:43.240 I was like, yeah, yeah.

00:39:44.400 They're like, oh, are you here for the aid?

00:39:46.620 I was like, yeah.

00:39:47.520 And they asked me, why are you feeding our enemy?

00:39:50.080 Why is America coming here to feed our enemy?

00:39:52.620 You're not helping.

00:39:54.160 And I was like, oh, I don't have an answer for you.

00:39:58.040 Can I get back to you later?

00:39:59.120 Like, I don't have an answer.

00:40:01.780 That's how they see it.

00:40:02.720 So the guys on the ground, the grunts on the ground, the fighters, the IDF guys on the

00:40:06.900 ground, their perception is that the humanitarian aid going into Gaza is feeding the enemy.

00:40:14.640 What about the women and children?

00:40:17.620 I mean, I understand they don't want you helping Hamas, the leadership of Hamas.

00:40:20.900 That makes sense.

00:40:22.180 But these are civilians you're feeding, right?

00:40:26.440 Women and children and elderly people and women, children, the disabled, the elderly,

00:40:35.680 the needy.

00:40:38.900 Yeah, that's who we're feeding.

00:40:42.100 Or that's what I should say.

00:40:43.420 That's who we're not feeding.

00:40:44.940 That's who we're supposed to be feeding.

00:40:46.400 So how are those people the enemy in any war?

00:40:49.660 Those are just the bystanders.

00:40:52.360 Those are the people who didn't choose the war, who weren't fighting in the war, who were

00:40:55.400 just being hurt by the war.

00:40:57.280 And that comment from this IDF infantry soldier on the ground, that's a perception.

00:41:07.160 And I think we've also heard the perception from the highest levels of the Israeli government

00:41:11.100 that all of Gaza, it's all Hamas. 0.98

00:41:17.140 Everybody's Hamas. 1.00

00:41:18.100 And the reason that's striking to me, because I feel like someone handed Bibi Netanyahu a

00:41:25.200 list of the violations of the Degeva Convention, but took the numbers off of it, and he's

00:41:30.900 just checking them off, like displacing the population.

00:41:34.020 Well, do that.

00:41:34.660 It's like, okay, well, that's a war crime. 0.83

00:41:37.280 Firing at the civilians to control the population.

00:41:40.180 Okay, well, targeting civilians with lethal ammunition to control the population verbatim is

00:41:43.600 a war crime.

00:41:44.200 So you got that one.

00:41:45.560 Check.

00:41:46.240 What next?

00:41:46.720 What do you got next?

00:41:48.220 We're going to build the humanitarian distribution sites in the middle of combat zones? 1.00

00:41:51.520 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:41:52.060 There's protocol three. 1.00

00:41:53.540 Got it.

00:41:54.040 You just did that one.

00:41:55.080 What's next? 1.00

00:41:56.720 Oh, how about we label the entire society as Hamas and kill them all? 1.00

00:42:03.500 Wow. 1.00

00:42:04.100 Bingo.

00:42:04.700 You just got us straight across because now you just made another war crime statement because

00:42:08.180 the Geneva Convention specifically inhibits the classification of an entire population as

00:42:13.020 the enemy based on the actions of a few.

00:42:14.780 Is Hamas all of all of Gaza? 0.58

00:42:17.820 No, no, of course it's not.

00:42:20.460 Are we treating them like they're all Hamas?

00:42:24.600 Yes, we are.

00:42:25.880 Another war crime. 0.84

00:42:27.560 So when I bring up these points about war crimes, it's not this this politicized bombastic,

00:42:33.540 you know, like, oh, you stepped on my foot.

00:42:35.860 That's a war crime. 0.90

00:42:37.160 Like the war crimes are verbatim.

00:42:39.400 The things that they say, not us.

00:42:41.120 They say it.

00:42:42.040 We're displacing the population to move them to do combat operations.

00:42:47.000 That's a war crime. 0.90

00:42:47.880 I mean, I don't know what to tell you.

00:42:48.900 I mean.

00:42:49.360 Well, you're a professional army officer of 25 years, West Point graduate.

00:42:53.620 So, I mean, this is your business in a sense.

00:42:55.260 So, like, there are rules.

00:42:56.900 It is.

00:42:57.580 Yes.

00:42:58.440 And so I think you have credibility.

00:42:59.860 You're not, you know, some hippie saying it's a war crime.

00:43:03.000 It's like literally a war crime because there is an actual definition.

00:43:06.520 And it sounds like they've met.

00:43:08.100 There is an actual definition.

00:43:09.920 There's a definition of it.

00:43:11.580 And when people call certain things war crimes that look horrific, I'm like, well, that's

00:43:16.340 not.

00:43:17.720 But I understand that that is horrific, but that's not.

00:43:19.880 But there are things that, by definition, violate the protocols of the Geneva Convention,

00:43:26.480 violate the laws of armed conflict.

00:43:29.860 They're black and white.

00:43:31.000 It's like reading a driver's ed manual.

00:43:33.100 Like, stop at a red light.

00:43:35.200 That's the law.

00:43:36.420 It's not something you can do sometimes unless you want to get a ticket.

00:43:39.040 So it's one of those things to where it's like there's a book that tells us these things,

00:43:43.500 that the answers to the tests are in this book.

00:43:45.400 Someone should read it.

00:43:46.140 Well, they also violate the conscience of any person watching.

00:43:51.060 And that's enough for us.

00:43:52.980 So, OK, so I've asked you, I've asked around the story.

00:43:56.680 I just wanted this.

00:43:57.460 You've provided a very, very helpful context.

00:43:59.980 And again, thank you for your time in doing this.

00:44:03.040 So now to the question, how did the Israeli military, the IDF, treat Palestinian civilians?

00:44:09.240 I could describe it as nothing more than they treated them like animals.

00:44:17.560 Even the UG solutions and the SRS personnel on the ground, what was concerning to me,

00:44:24.200 because I witnessed this in years of Iraq, when you get down the road and you start describing

00:44:27.360 people in a certain way, you start to dehumanize them.

00:44:30.180 Even the U.S. contractors on the ground called them the zombie horde.

00:44:37.240 The IDF, and in some cases we, don't recognize these people as human beings.

00:44:43.540 And part of my, you know, why I want to talk and come out in this is because I saw these

00:44:50.320 human beings.

00:44:51.120 I was there.

00:44:51.980 I, I, you know, I, you know, this photo here, this is on site one, that's a human being.

00:44:58.960 I took this photo.

00:44:59.920 This didn't come from some far left journalist or from the Gaza health ministry.

00:45:05.900 I took that picture.

00:45:07.220 You know, these, you know, this here.

00:45:12.460 These are, these are the people that we're dehumanizing, that we're killing in mass scale,

00:45:16.720 that we're depriving of food and water, that we are torturing in a way, because they're

00:45:24.540 not eating at all.

00:45:25.920 And we're calling them, we're calling them all Hamas. 1.00

00:45:29.300 That's what we're calling them.

00:45:32.200 So I've seen it with my own eyes.

00:45:35.440 Not everybody is Hamas.

00:45:37.280 And to be fair, I distributed at every site through distribution windows, morning, afternoon,

00:45:45.560 and evening.

00:45:46.940 Most of the contractors there do one site because they're assigned to that site because

00:45:51.160 the nature of my job, I went to all the sites, not once, not once ever.

00:45:56.340 And I'm pretty keen at looking out for things and staying alive.

00:45:59.640 Not once ever did I witness a threat, a hostile act, a weapon, anyone from quote unquote Hamas. 0.99

00:46:07.660 I mean, how do you do that?

00:46:08.520 They don't show up with a t-shirt that says Hamas.

00:46:11.060 So, you know, there's, is Hamas amongst the population?

00:46:14.940 Well, of course they are, but it doesn't mean that, that the entire population is Hamas.

00:46:20.780 So that's the type of discipline and understanding and maturity and, and wherewithal of an under,

00:46:27.880 of an operation like this, that's required to do something like this.

00:46:31.820 And it's not there.

00:46:33.240 It's the wild West.

00:46:34.620 We treat them like animals with, with no dignity.

00:46:37.960 You say that you saw, and again, I just want to state for the fifth time, I've met few people

00:46:45.820 with more experience in situations like this, chaos, foreign country, shooting, soldiers,

00:46:55.380 confusion.

00:46:56.280 So, you know, I think you have a lot of experience interpreting what you saw.

00:47:00.660 Um, you said you saw no threat at all.

00:47:05.280 You didn't see Palestinians with weapons.

00:47:07.440 You didn't feel threatened.

00:47:09.300 You know, it doesn't, you know, I'm sure there's a threat there, but you didn't experience it.

00:47:13.600 Um, but you said that there was shooting.

00:47:16.160 Who was shooting at what and why?

00:47:18.700 The way, uh, so to walk everyone through kind of how a, a distribution site works in terms

00:47:23.860 of like, how are people being shot at?

00:47:25.500 How does this happen?

00:47:26.160 So early in the morning, the Palestinians, because mind you, the, the Palestinians to 1.00

00:47:31.400 get to the South, they cannot drive.

00:47:33.140 They have to walk one way from where they live because they have to go through the established 1.00

00:47:38.020 military corridors, just one way to get to where they have to get to.

00:47:42.120 They, they, they have to walk.

00:47:45.280 So they can't just walk straight down to the site.

00:47:47.520 They have to go West to the coastal corridor, down the coastal corridor, into the Morag corridor,

00:47:52.420 down to the sites.

00:47:53.140 So they're walking anywhere from eight to 12 kilometers, one way, one way to get to

00:47:59.600 the site.

00:48:00.420 So when they queue up in the morning at the intersection of the Morag corridor and the

00:48:04.620 coastal road, and the queuing gets into the, to the magnitude of thousands, the IDF hold

00:48:11.260 them there with, with tanks in place.

00:48:13.480 When this, when the UG solutions personnel call on the radio to the IDF to say the site is

00:48:19.180 ready, the crowd is released in a massive, massive tidal wave of, tidal wave of people.

00:48:25.820 It's dehumanizing and rushing towards the site because they're starving.

00:48:32.040 As they're coming to the site, the IDF shoot at them.

00:48:36.400 Machine guns, mortars, tank rounds, artillery.

00:48:40.480 I have all of this on video.

00:48:42.120 Within a matter of minutes, two minutes, 15 seconds, hundreds of Palestinians are already

00:49:11.700 on the site.

00:49:12.480 Like, this is not like, it's so compelling when you see it.

00:49:15.560 And I'm like, because I watched it.

00:49:17.680 And as I'm watching it and feel and being there and you hear early morning hours, you

00:49:21.940 know, pre-dawn sunrise over the Mediterranean, thousands of, of Palestinians rushing down to

00:49:28.680 the site and over their heads, you just see tracer bullets flying, tracers, tank rounds,

00:49:35.040 artillery rounds.

00:49:37.680 And they do that to keep the Palestinians on the right path. 0.98

00:49:42.660 My suggestion from the very beginning was like, have we tried a sign?

00:49:47.200 Put a sign out there?

00:49:48.460 Like, I don't know, like, put a, put a sign in the road that says go this way instead of

00:49:52.620 shooting a Markaba tank round.

00:49:53.800 Like, I think that would be like, that would be a great way to, to kind of, to kind of start.

00:49:58.780 Nope.

00:49:59.380 Cost too much.

00:50:00.120 We're not going to do it.

00:50:01.260 Oh, okay.

00:50:02.960 Telling.

00:50:03.360 That's a telling, telling proposition.

00:50:06.520 So as they're coming to the site and they're getting shot at, it's dark.

00:50:10.220 The Israeli forces in the South are reserve conscripts.

00:50:14.940 They're not the IDF that, that, that the, that are in the elite active army unit.

00:50:20.720 They're conscript reservists.

00:50:22.640 They don't train.

00:50:23.960 They don't get a lot of training.

00:50:25.720 Rarely do they get to shoot their weapons and they don't have night vision capability.

00:50:30.160 So they're shooting into the dark at thousands of people to say that when, when, when the,

00:50:37.320 when the sun rises and bodies are strewn along the road and the IDF say, oh, we didn't do

00:50:44.980 that.

00:50:45.900 Really?

00:50:47.100 How did that happen then?

00:50:48.860 Like you did do that.

00:50:51.020 Like you did do that.

00:50:53.400 Oh, Hamas did it. 0.97

00:50:54.720 Hamas is nowhere here.

00:50:56.080 There's, there's this entire area is a militarized controlled zone.

00:50:59.960 There's no Hamas here.

00:51:01.040 I was like, if Hamas got into here, y'all really aren't doing your job. 0.81

00:51:03.380 Like there's no Hamas, no one with weapons, dead people screwing along the streets.

00:51:09.140 So when you see on the news at Nasser hospital, when patients get brought in and people then

00:51:14.480 say, oh, that's just Hamas propaganda.

00:51:16.440 No, it's not.

00:51:17.520 It is not Hamas propaganda.

00:51:19.440 It's real.

00:51:20.560 The shooting, the indiscriminate shooting.

00:51:23.520 When they get onto the site in this mass crowd, just imagine if you will, if, if it was

00:51:29.740 black Friday at Walmart and they cleared out the Walmart, they moved everything out.

00:51:33.860 And in the middle of the Walmart, they just put a box of TVs and they were free.

00:51:37.360 First in gets them.

00:51:39.560 And at nine o'clock, the door crashes open and everybody's squeezing into the small door

00:51:43.960 into this area.

00:51:44.960 And you've got, you've got two security guards there on every site.

00:51:49.640 There are 22 armed security guards pulling security.

00:51:53.920 So that's one to 409 ratio, one guard to 409 people ratio.

00:52:02.260 There's, there's no way that the, the armed security can manage or control that.

00:52:07.060 Safely.

00:52:07.740 There's no way it's impossible.

00:52:10.220 So when they get onto the site, I call, I called it the eight minutes of mayhem within eight

00:52:15.600 minutes, 25,000 boxes of food are stripped through, taken down and gone eight minutes.

00:52:24.000 It's one of the most chaotic, deprived, dehumanizing things I've ever seen in my life.

00:52:30.380 And I was, I was in Bagus Fagani when ISIS surrendered, talk about dehumanization.

00:52:35.580 That is the worst I've seen in my life.

00:52:38.460 At the end, when there's a few people left to pick up the remnants of AIDS, some beans,

00:52:45.860 some rice, the UG solutions personnel then start clearing the crowd with the procedures

00:52:50.780 that they've adopted from the IDF where we, we throw stun grenades, we spray pepper spray.

00:52:56.480 I saw on a recent video last week of a UG solutions person that I know, I know who that

00:53:01.260 person is.

00:53:01.780 Like, I know it's real.

00:53:02.920 I know he's there.

00:53:04.000 I know it's a real person.

00:53:05.120 It's not fake.

00:53:06.580 And he's standing on a berm and they have these new devices where it's about the size of a

00:53:10.620 fire extinguisher with a, with a fog hose on it to just spray tear gas.

00:53:15.420 They have those now.

00:53:17.100 And so now that's the, that's the standard operating procedure.

00:53:19.400 And as they get to the gate and the gates are closed, the IDF salute, the IDF guards

00:53:24.480 then, then shoot at them at their feet over their heads in the air, just like the IDF do. 0.91

00:53:30.040 And, you know, again, like yesterday when, when GHF gave their press conference, they even

00:53:34.640 said that, like Mr. Aguilar has said that shots have been fired at civilians.

00:53:38.100 We only shoot at their feet over their head in the air.

00:53:40.780 Like that's exactly what I'm saying. 0.99

00:53:42.440 You do.

00:53:42.780 You're, you're, you're correct.

00:53:44.180 But when you're shooting bullets that come out of an automatic rifle at a crowd of thousands

00:53:50.140 of people, and you can't see them because there's berms and there's dust and there's,

00:53:54.060 and there's inner visibility lines that you can't see.

00:53:56.520 And you're just shooting. 0.99

00:53:57.900 You're going to kill somebody. 1.00

00:54:01.000 Period. 0.99

00:54:01.960 So the, you know, our guys don't shoot at them.

00:54:05.120 They shoot at their feet. 0.93

00:54:05.840 They shoot over the head. 0.95

00:54:06.540 They shoot into the air. 0.89

00:54:07.340 OK, well, shooting at them, targeting innocent, unarmed civilians on the battlefield for the 0.96

00:54:14.500 purpose of controlling them or controlling the crowd. 0.99

00:54:16.680 Again, there you go.

00:54:17.980 Another war crime. 0.84

00:54:19.440 So when, when we're doing these things, it's, we're just egregiously violating international

00:54:26.000 standards.

00:54:26.520 The standards that we, that we as Americans expect.

00:54:29.940 People were hung at Nuremberg for things like this.

00:54:33.220 Literally things like this.

00:54:34.880 Shooting at prisoners. 0.77

00:54:35.380 Yes. 0.99

00:54:36.840 Shooting at prisoners.

00:54:38.160 As a, as a case in point, in the United States Army, if I were fighting in, in Germany

00:54:44.980 and a squad of German soldiers that was just shooting at me, puts down their guns and raises

00:54:51.360 their hands, they just became a prisoner.

00:54:54.140 I have to feed them.

00:54:55.060 I have to give them water.

00:54:56.140 I have to take care of them.

00:54:57.420 I have to give them safe passage to, to captivity or to holding. 0.99

00:55:00.600 You can't just shoot them. 0.81

00:55:02.460 There are rules in combat.

00:55:04.560 There are rules in conflict and we must abide by those.

00:55:07.960 Now, what I find to be incredibly, incredibly concerning for the American people and for my

00:55:14.000 fellow teammates, my guys on the ground, American citizens, is that GHS position is,

00:55:20.280 well, we're not, this isn't a war and we're not, we don't have to abide by those rules.

00:55:24.460 Well, you do.

00:55:25.900 Those rules apply to everybody no matter what, but even more so that you should not have

00:55:31.560 the authority to shoot anybody.

00:55:32.560 We are there as tourists, as I said in the beginning of the show, tourists, we should

00:55:37.080 not be pulling the trigger of that gun unless it is absolutely to protect an imminent threat

00:55:41.760 to our life.

00:55:42.340 In a case in point, from all of the days and all of the times and all of the sites, I

00:55:46.880 didn't pull the trigger on my rifle one time.

00:55:48.840 I didn't pull the pistol on my rifle one time, never even took it out of its holster.

00:55:54.300 Stun grenades, tear gas, didn't use it once because I didn't need, I'm not, not because

00:55:58.800 I'm some like, you know, soft, you know, anti-gun, you know, I didn't need it.

00:56:04.400 Never one time did I ever need to pull my rifle, shoot my gun or use means to stun or

00:56:10.100 hurt a civilian ever, not once.

00:56:11.840 And I was at more distributions at more sites, more time than, than any single person in the

00:56:17.600 UG solutions architecture.

00:56:19.560 And not once did I ever need to do that ever.

00:56:23.940 And I think I know something about, you know, when it's time to shoot, you know, done a lot.

00:56:29.940 So never felt that I had to do that ever once it's, it's immature.

00:56:36.400 It's dangerous.

00:56:37.980 It's a violation of our American values.

00:56:40.200 That is not how America engages on the world stage.

00:56:44.140 We are the ones that do right.

00:56:46.080 We are the ones that choose the harder right over the easier wrong.

00:56:50.360 We don't do it because the IDF say it's okay to do it.

00:56:53.120 And therefore we can do it.

00:56:54.960 Well, we made that bed and we are in it.

00:56:57.760 And that bed is about to get flipped over by the international community. 1.00

00:57:01.760 And if we don't, if we don't stand up and say something now, like today, tomorrow, if

00:57:06.980 we don't stand up and do something about it, we're going down that road and it's not a

00:57:11.300 good road to be on.

00:57:13.200 I hope you can tell your story on Fox News and on every American media outlet as soon

00:57:18.520 as possible.

00:57:19.340 I hope they will have you.

00:57:21.220 I'm not betting on it, but I hope, I hope they will.

00:57:23.620 So let me ask you about the story that you have told that's a really difficult story,

00:57:29.120 awful story, but about the boy who you were in contact with who was killed, shot to death.

00:57:37.480 What happened?

00:57:41.660 So, you know, this little boy is similar in age to my son, brown eyes.

00:57:49.400 My son has brown eyes.

00:57:50.860 I see my son's.

00:57:53.620 My son's face when I look at him and this little boy, you know, he's not, he's not ISIS.

00:58:03.280 He's not a combatant.

00:58:07.100 This was on secure distribution site number two, the 28th of May, our second day of doing

00:58:14.720 distribution.

00:58:17.260 I'm on that location.

00:58:18.720 I didn't get this second hand.

00:58:22.800 I didn't see it from afar and then, and then assume I saw it.

00:58:27.560 I touched it.

00:58:28.520 I felt it.

00:58:29.680 Other people saw it.

00:58:31.600 This young little boy.

00:58:32.500 His name is Amir.

00:58:38.340 I know that because when he walked over from the crowd of people, he walked toward me.

00:58:43.720 There was two, there was two of us standing there, two UG solutions guards standing in

00:58:46.720 that area.

00:58:47.360 And he was walking towards us.

00:58:48.540 And we thought maybe he was hurt or maybe he was asking for some more food because all

00:58:52.640 he had in his arms was a small bag of rice, half a bag of flour, some lentils that he had

00:58:57.600 picked up from the ground.

00:58:58.340 He didn't have much.

00:59:00.280 And we thought maybe he was asking for more food or maybe he was hurt.

00:59:03.880 And we notioned him over and he came up and he extends his right hand at us.

00:59:10.880 And so I, you know, I kind of walked up to him and waved him over.

00:59:14.120 And the guy standing next to me, this young boy grabs, holds his hand and he kisses it.

00:59:19.380 And then he comes to me and he holds my hand and he kisses it.

00:59:23.340 In Arab culture, that is a very significant sign of respect.

00:59:26.520 That's not something that should be taken lightly or something that should be, that's

00:59:31.620 a big sign of respect.

00:59:33.240 And we were taken aback by that.

00:59:35.680 The gentleman that was standing next to me was also a military veteran, combat veteran.

00:59:39.000 So he's been to Afghanistan, Iraq, and he understood, he was moved by it.

00:59:42.000 He was touched.

00:59:42.520 I was touched.

00:59:44.140 And as he was standing there, we were both looking at him and he was very emaciated.

00:59:48.340 He had no shoes on.

00:59:50.360 His pants were tattered.

00:59:51.580 He had a kind of a rope or string holding his pants up. 0.98

00:59:55.900 Filthy.

00:59:56.520 Probably hasn't bathed in months, probably hasn't eaten in days.

01:00:00.120 And oh, by the way, when they walk eight to 12 kilometers to get to these sites, the Gaza 0.77

01:00:04.240 Humanitarian Foundation mechanism provides no water, zero, not a single bottle because

01:00:10.160 it's too expensive.

01:00:12.720 Distributing water weighs so much that it breaks down the profit per cost per truck.

01:00:18.700 That's a fact because I asked why and I was given a lesson in it.

01:00:22.340 This is why it's too expensive.

01:00:23.960 So we give them no water.

01:00:25.880 All of their food, by the way, requires water to cook it.

01:00:28.320 Rice, lentils, beans, flour.

01:00:29.860 You got to have water.

01:00:31.040 So what we're giving them, I don't know how they're eating it.

01:00:33.020 But he comes, he's standing there and I, and I put my arm on his, on his right, on his left

01:00:38.720 shoulder.

01:00:39.020 And I look at him and I can feel the bones in his shoulder.

01:00:42.900 I can feel the, the, the weakness in his arm.

01:00:46.140 I can feel the vulnerability.

01:00:47.840 I can feel the desperation.

01:00:49.880 And I look at him and I looked and I got down on my knees where I'm looking at him in the

01:00:53.540 eyes.

01:00:54.180 And then I say to him, I said, people care.

01:00:58.920 America cares.

01:00:59.620 You're not going to be forgotten.

01:01:06.460 People in the world care.

01:01:10.180 And he doesn't speak English and I don't speak Arabic, but the connection we had in looking

01:01:15.480 at each other, he felt like he felt, he felt for the first time in a long time that there

01:01:22.280 was someone that cared.

01:01:25.120 And I got down on a knee and he came in to his level and the items he had in his hand,

01:01:30.300 he sets them down on the ground and he, his hands, he raises his hands and they're small,

01:01:35.140 fragile.

01:01:35.900 You can, you can see bones sticking, you know, just the bones to the skin.

01:01:39.040 And he places his hands on my face and he kissed me.

01:01:42.560 And he said, he looked at me in the eyes and he says, thank you.

01:01:45.480 He said it in English.

01:01:46.960 Thank you.

01:01:51.720 Like people are starving in Gaza.

01:01:57.600 People are dying in Gaza.

01:02:00.540 These children that are starving and dying, these, these children, you know, they look like

01:02:07.900 everyday Americans.

01:02:09.660 This child is picking up noodles off the ground with his bare hands because there was no food

01:02:14.340 left.

01:02:15.020 So he's picking up noodles to put into his backpack.

01:02:22.160 Amir goes back toward, back to the main group and he goes out the exit.

01:02:26.720 We had a very strict protocol that they come in a certain way, get the aid, and then they

01:02:31.300 go out a certain way.

01:02:32.680 From the way they came in, it takes them back to the way they came in.

01:02:35.780 The exit takes them back that same way.

01:02:37.980 So they enter from the Morag Corridor, they go south, they go through the station, they

01:02:43.560 exit, and they go north to the Morag Corridor.

01:02:45.800 So coming in and going out, they're tied right back into the active combat zone.

01:02:50.580 Site number two particularly is a little bit different than the other sites because it's

01:02:54.920 in between site one and two.

01:02:56.940 And there's an IDF combat outpost just off the corner of SDS-2.

01:03:01.700 So there's a berm that lines that road going out.

01:03:06.160 So if people are leaving the exit and someone is on the east side of the berm shooting into

01:03:12.440 the crowd over here, you can't see what's on the other side of that berm because of the

01:03:18.040 obscuration, the field of fire.

01:03:20.280 So the IDF are shooting at the crowd that's leaving.

01:03:23.560 As the crowd left and they would hit the Morag Corridor to go west, the IDF would shoot 0.97

01:03:26.940 at them, shoot at their feet, shoot over their head. 0.99

01:03:28.940 We would shoot at them, shoot at their feet, shoot over their head, shoot into the air. 1.00

01:03:34.780 And the bullets start hitting off the ground. 1.00

01:03:38.080 There's video of this.

01:03:39.100 It's on the BBC video.

01:03:40.340 Hitting off the ground, see dirt flying up.

01:03:43.220 And I was still on the site.

01:03:46.080 I was below the berm.

01:03:48.220 It was the second time we had done distribution.

01:03:51.060 So when I heard the gunfire kickoff, the automatic machine gun fire, I thought we were under

01:03:54.820 attack.

01:03:55.320 I thought something had happened.

01:03:56.340 So I ran up to the southern berm and I laid down to take cover.

01:04:00.140 You know, I'm observing and I'm looking and I see the shooting keep going on by just the

01:04:04.460 rap.

01:04:07.140 And Palestinians dropping on the side of the road. 0.97

01:04:09.960 So Amir didn't make it home.

01:04:13.280 He walked 12 kilometers to get some food, picked up scraps off the ground.

01:04:18.360 That's all that was left because the eight minute mayhem took all of the food.

01:04:23.320 And by the time he got there walking with no shoes, hungry and tired, the only thing left

01:04:28.860 for him was to pick up some remnants off the ground.

01:04:31.280 And when he left, he was killed by the IDF.

01:04:35.600 Why?

01:04:37.080 Because they lack discipline.

01:04:39.200 They lack standards.

01:04:40.460 And they lack basic human decency.

01:04:44.320 Now, do I think that they intentionally shot him or shot the people they were shooting at?

01:04:48.800 No.

01:04:49.820 But when you use machine guns and tank rounds and mortar rounds to control a crowd, what

01:04:58.000 do you think is going to happen?

01:04:59.680 And the United States stands by and watches it in the press conference that GHF gave last night.

01:05:08.020 Will the IDF shoot to control the crowd?

01:05:10.320 We only shoot at the crowd in the air around them or at their feet.

01:05:13.580 We don't shoot into them.

01:05:16.520 Unacceptable behavior.

01:05:17.980 That is not how professionals behave when dealing with a civilian population.

01:05:22.740 You use things like signs.

01:05:24.220 Because what I thought would be another great, great tool would have been a loudspeaker with

01:05:29.160 a microphone with an interpreter.

01:05:31.940 Because no one there speaks Arabic and they don't speak English.

01:05:35.800 So when you're dealing with a crowd of 8,000 to 9,000 people and you're trying to communicate

01:05:40.480 with them, and I was like, how about before we start shooting, how about we do two things?

01:05:45.900 One, we provide a loudspeaker with a translator.

01:05:49.960 Two, we put signage.

01:05:52.400 We put signs out there that say, go this way, go that way, turn left.

01:05:56.240 They don't know where they're going.

01:05:57.560 They don't live here. 0.85

01:05:58.620 It's a war zone.

01:06:00.340 So the only way I can describe the sites is death traps.

01:06:04.720 And they didn't become death traps.

01:06:06.100 They were designed as death traps.

01:06:08.460 And the United States puts aid and we lure them in. 0.99

01:06:11.040 And when they leave, they get shot at coming and they get shot at going.

01:06:14.280 So the reports you hear from Nasser Hospital, which is about five kilometers from site number

01:06:20.380 two, Nasser Hospital, that you hear all the reports of dead civilians coming in to get

01:06:24.220 treated.

01:06:24.600 The doctors have said this is grotesque.

01:06:26.800 Doctors have testified that every time GHF does a distribution at site one, two, or three,

01:06:33.020 which the road from those goes directly to the Nasser Hospital, they get a massive influx

01:06:37.020 of patients to what they call mass casualties, an MCI, mass casualty incident, every time.

01:06:43.600 Have you ever heard of any other country do it?

01:06:46.300 I've never heard of anything like this, but I haven't spent 25 years deployed in war zones.

01:06:51.280 I just want-

01:06:52.220 I've never seen it.

01:06:53.280 You've never seen this anywhere.

01:06:56.000 Anywhere to this scale.

01:06:57.240 Now, in other countries that I've been in with partner forces, are there sometimes an errant

01:07:02.540 or undisciplined bad apple in the group that you discipline and you correct that behavior?

01:07:07.000 I've seen that.

01:07:08.080 At this scale, to where it's widely accepted, but then to also the fact that the UG Solutions

01:07:14.920 contractors also do it under the guise of, well, the IDF do it, so we're fine with doing 0.96

01:07:19.320 it.

01:07:20.220 Never, never have I seen an American behave this way.

01:07:24.320 Never have I seen an army.

01:07:26.540 And I've seen some pretty ragtag armies in my day.

01:07:30.080 Um, and never have I seen this level of depravity and just disrespect for human dignity.

01:07:37.740 And it's, I mean, the word I keep using, because it's the only way I can describe it

01:07:42.480 is because America is giving tax dollars to it. 0.98

01:07:44.900 It's un-American. 0.82

01:07:48.880 Now, there has, you came out and told this story, I think two days ago, uh, or a couple

01:07:54.520 of days ago for the first time in public that I'm aware of.

01:07:57.480 Um, and, uh, there was immediate pushback as there always is.

01:08:00.940 Um, and your integrity was called into question. 1.00

01:08:04.100 You're a liar. 1.00

01:08:04.780 You're a propagandist. 1.00

01:08:05.740 And this boy is not dead.

01:08:07.180 This boy is not dead is, is what they, is what they said.

01:08:10.840 Um, can you address that?

01:08:11.920 I, I directly communicated to the, the lawyer in the GHF press conference that I demanded

01:08:22.680 that he retract that and I gave him the facts.

01:08:24.620 And this is why the picture that they used that GHF used and has circulated the picture

01:08:34.020 they have of a small boy with a contractor with his hands on their, on his head, juxtaposed

01:08:39.300 to the picture of, of me that I took with this boy standing next to me.

01:08:43.260 What's ironic is that the picture they have of the man, of the contractor standing there

01:08:47.220 with his hand on, on the boy's head.

01:08:49.080 I took that picture too.

01:08:52.020 It's like, they're giving them my, it's like, they're giving me back my own material as proof

01:08:55.960 to the material.

01:08:56.580 It's, it's absurd.

01:08:58.320 So the, the picture that I have, this, this picture with me, myself and Amir and everybody

01:09:05.940 on site, that is distribution site number two on the 29th of May.

01:09:11.240 That picture has been geolocated, metadata checked.

01:09:14.840 It's legit.

01:09:16.860 The picture that they provided to say, well, look, here's a picture of this contractor,

01:09:21.760 uh, two days later with Amir. 0.98

01:09:25.680 Disgusting, disgusting. 0.82

01:09:28.500 That picture that I took, the guy with his hand on the kid's head is from site number four 0.97

01:09:35.060 on the 1st of June.

01:09:38.760 There is no way physically possible that the child could have gotten from site two, sites

01:09:43.160 one, two, and three are all the way in the south, south of the Morag corridor.

01:09:46.680 Site number four is all the way in the central at the, at the Nesarin corridor.

01:09:51.760 Nobody can cross between those two areas.

01:09:54.320 So unless he, unless he flew there or beamed him up and he transported there, that wouldn't

01:09:59.640 be him.

01:10:00.300 But number two, you put the pictures right next to each other, not, not kind of like here

01:10:04.500 and here, but right next to each other.

01:10:06.300 It's obvious.

01:10:07.100 They're not the same person.

01:10:07.860 They don't have the same hair.

01:10:08.940 They don't have the same teeth.

01:10:10.100 Their ears are a different size.

01:10:11.540 I ran it through an AI generator and it said, that's not the same person because it's not

01:10:15.280 the same person.

01:10:16.200 So why would this humanitarian foundation?

01:10:21.760 Whose funding we know nothing about?

01:10:23.180 You worked for them and you still know nothing about them.

01:10:25.340 I'm sure they're taking U.S. tax dollars run by this.

01:10:28.460 Well, they are, that's a fact.

01:10:29.800 They're taking U.S. tax dollars run by this Christian Zionist kind of preacher. 0.82

01:10:34.600 Maybe it's not exactly clear who he is.

01:10:36.680 I looked him up online.

01:10:37.680 He's got all kinds of business ventures that don't, you know, I'm not going to pass judgment,

01:10:42.320 but, but he also says he's a preacher.

01:10:44.060 Johnny Moore, this Christian leader, why would a Christian leader try to hide the fact that 0.99

01:10:54.140 a child was murdered?

01:10:55.360 So here's, here's my take on it is that, um, and the other thing is that there's, there's

01:11:03.400 humanitarian organizations in, in Gaza that are currently from that photo looking for the

01:11:09.000 next of kin.

01:11:09.600 And that will come out soon when they confirm that, that he is dead.

01:11:13.820 Um, that has also been put out to the, to the Nasser hospital to confirm, you know, that that

01:11:18.680 boy was, was brought in on the, the, when he was, if he was brought in.

01:11:23.340 So the truth, the truth will come out.

01:11:25.060 The truth always wins.

01:11:26.480 I've known that in my entire life.

01:11:28.040 The truth always wins.

01:11:29.240 And I know it's the truth because from the picture they provided on site four and the

01:11:34.480 picture they provided on site two, I took those pictures.

01:11:37.920 I was standing there.

01:11:39.420 Like I took those pictures.

01:11:41.620 So the, for the concept to say that, oh, look, here's a mirror a couple of days later at the

01:11:45.640 same site.

01:11:46.380 First of all, they said, here's a mirror a couple of days later at the same site.

01:11:50.040 Well, that's not true because the picture that they have from a couple of days later is

01:11:53.680 from site number four.

01:11:54.740 I was there.

01:11:55.260 I took the picture.

01:11:56.260 They're not the same child.

01:11:57.440 Why the coverup or why the line?

01:12:00.540 So when they say that I have an agenda, political, whatever it may be, there's absolutely no

01:12:05.140 evidence of that.

01:12:06.000 I've never run for office.

01:12:07.160 I don't own a business.

01:12:08.140 I don't write books.

01:12:09.260 I don't have some kind of platform.

01:12:10.500 I don't have a podcast.

01:12:11.340 I don't even have social media.

01:12:12.660 I mean, they shut down my, my, my space account last month because they took it down from,

01:12:16.980 you know, from the web.

01:12:17.920 So I don't even have my space anymore.

01:12:19.080 So I have nothing like, I have no skin in the game of this, but to tell the truth, what they

01:12:23.900 have in the game is a lot of money to the tune of tens of millions, hundreds of millions

01:12:28.860 of dollars.

01:12:29.420 So do they care about a Palestinian life or the, the, the people know about that life

01:12:37.480 over making hundreds of millions of dollars?

01:12:42.240 Well, the American people can judge that.

01:12:44.300 Who do you want to believe?

01:12:45.740 A 25 year veteran who went to West Point where our motto is duty, honor country.

01:12:49.660 A cadet will not lie cheap or steal or tolerate those that do.

01:12:53.540 And I lived that motto and graduated from West Point and lived that motto in my army career.

01:12:57.460 And I have nothing to gain from any of this whatsoever at all.

01:13:01.980 That I was there and I took the pictures and I witnessed it with my own eyes.

01:13:05.600 And it brings me to tears.

01:13:07.140 I'm a 43 year old man, 25 in the years in the army is a green beret.

01:13:11.140 You think I went to acting school for this?

01:13:13.700 It breaks my heart.

01:13:16.640 So who are you going to believe?

01:13:19.120 The evangelical Zionist who has billions of dollars to gain by this, by everything being 0.84

01:13:24.780 just fine or the 25 year veteran green beret who went to West Point, who's been, who was

01:13:30.180 under a purple heart for this country, who's bled on the battlefield for this country, who's

01:13:34.220 earned valor awards for, for combat valor.

01:13:37.280 Who are you going to believe?

01:13:38.540 The guy that sits in Washington DC, that's been to Gaza once or, or his lawyer, who's never

01:13:44.640 been to Gaza at all.

01:13:46.300 Or are you going to believe the guy that was there that took the pictures that touched the

01:13:50.340 boy that saw it with my own eyes?

01:13:52.120 So who are you going to believe?

01:13:55.280 That's what I offer.

01:13:56.640 Yep.

01:13:56.980 Well, I think most people watching will, will make up their minds on that pretty quickly.

01:14:01.000 We are going to attempt to, to interview Johnny Moore.

01:14:05.140 And I, and I hope he agrees to that interview.

01:14:07.300 So my last question is, and I just want to thank you a third time for taking the time for

01:14:12.780 this conversation.

01:14:14.540 I'm thankful for you.

01:14:15.600 I'm thankful for your time and your platform.

01:14:17.140 This is a, this is an important story.

01:14:19.160 And this, this is not my story.

01:14:20.980 I'm simply the vessel to translate the story of the, of the people in Palestine, human

01:14:26.540 beings.

01:14:26.920 Let's just call them human beings, human beings that are being treated with, with inhumanity.

01:14:32.660 So I thank you for your time.

01:14:34.280 This is, this is great.

01:14:35.080 What should the Trump administration, what should the United States government do in response?

01:14:41.360 I hope that every, every decision maker, and I'm going to do everything I can to make sure

01:14:46.160 this happens, sees your testimony, sees this video, listens to what you just said, and you

01:14:52.080 just experienced firsthand.

01:14:53.520 Um, but how should they respond to it?

01:14:58.340 Well, I'd also like the, the analysis that I had sent to your, your producers on the, you know,

01:15:03.180 I created a product for them last night with the comparison of the boy they said was him and him

01:15:06.840 and put them together with the, you know, the map data and everything.

01:15:09.500 So sharing that would also be helpful because I think it's shameful, shameful to make a,

01:15:15.220 to make a political position out of something like that.

01:15:17.360 But it's also in a way kind of telling to where, you know, according to Johnny Moore,

01:15:21.200 every Palestinian looks alike. 1.00

01:15:24.040 Not a good look, Johnny.

01:15:25.660 No.

01:15:26.340 So not, not, not what our religion says that God knows every hair on your head and that each

01:15:32.040 soul is distinct and created by God.

01:15:34.300 I mean, that's a foundational Christian understanding of, of humanity.

01:15:39.180 It's a great point.

01:15:39.980 That's a great point.

01:15:40.880 For a self-described Christian preacher to say something like that is shocking to me.

01:15:45.460 So, so your question on what should be done.

01:15:48.940 Great question.

01:15:50.080 Because that's, that's the, you know, the second part of my effort here is to, to take action.

01:15:53.860 I don't, I don't just throw up problems.

01:15:55.380 I want to provide solutions.

01:15:57.620 And there's been thorough analysis done on this.

01:15:59.700 I've done the analysis and I've got no, I, I've already, I've already, I've, I've, I've

01:16:04.040 already given it to you, G solutions.

01:16:05.260 I was like, here, here's the analysis I've done, you know, here you go.

01:16:08.780 Um, so the, uh, the, the Gaza humanitarian foundation should cease to exist.

01:16:17.260 And here's why the existence of the Gaza humanitarian foundation and its creation and existence creates

01:16:26.300 a misnomer, a misnomer, a lie that this mechanism is working and that the UN is not needed.

01:16:36.160 That's a lie.

01:16:39.320 Regardless of what we call the method, whether it's GHF, whether it's the UN, whether it's

01:16:46.820 Greta Thunberg handing out PBJ sandwiches on the Mediterranean beach, whatever the method

01:16:52.160 is, it has to be able to feed 2.21 million people a day, three meals a day, every day

01:16:59.620 and, and bring in water, uh, fuel.

01:17:05.720 Remember the GHF aid brings no water, no pampers, no diapers, no fuel, no medicine, no hygiene products,

01:17:11.480 just dried food, nothing else, nothing else. So the method, whatever it is, needs to be a method

01:17:19.060 that can handle the capacity of 500 to 550 trucks a day, every day that can manage 400 to 500 sites

01:17:27.800 throughout the entirety of Gaza. I mean, imagine if in the state of Florida, they said, Hey, you want

01:17:32.500 food? You got to come down to Key West, everybody. Like it's absurd. So, you know, the, the method that

01:17:40.560 needs to be in place has to be able to service four to 500 sites in Gaza needs to be able to service

01:17:45.420 500 to 550 trucks a day. That's the math. That's the math that's been done. And they need to be do

01:17:51.540 it every day. And they need to have experts in humanitarian assistance, doctors to understand

01:17:57.360 medical assessments, veterinarians to look at the, you know, the, the animals to make sure that we're

01:18:02.980 not spreading rabies, you know, all these things you don't think about that because I've done it so

01:18:07.060 much. When you go to places like that, you're like, Oh yeah. Like if we, if we don't assess the

01:18:10.280 animal population, everybody could die of rabies. We don't want that. All these things that go into

01:18:14.020 that. Well, the UN provides that. That was the UN model. The UN model was taking in 550 to 600

01:18:20.160 trucks a day, going to 400 sites with doctors, veterans, nurses, teachers, water, fuel, enough

01:18:29.140 food. That was the mechanism. So when it first came out that, Oh, well, the UN method just gives it all

01:18:35.000 to Hamas. Well, Israel themselves, the intelligence apparatus within Israel, the American USAID,

01:18:41.980 the American state department, other nations in the last day or two have all come out to say,

01:18:48.280 there is no evidence that the humanitarian aid was going into the hands of Hamas at any rate that

01:18:54.940 that's considerable to make an impact to the feeding. Now, was some of it going into the hands

01:18:59.500 of Hamas? Well, sure. Because Hamas is amongst the population. I mean, again, how do you, who's

01:19:04.200 Hamas? I mean, I know who they are politically, but like, how do you tell? Like, Hey, are you Hamas?

01:19:09.460 Well, they don't have their Hamas t-shirt on that day. I guess you won't know. So the mechanism in

01:19:14.460 place now with what's being delivered, well, there's a cut going to Hamas. So we're delivering

01:19:20.400 this much aid right now. And there's a cut going to Hamas where under the UN mechanism,

01:19:25.280 we can deliver this much aid with that much potentially going to Hamas. It's no comparison. 0.80

01:19:31.880 It's no question. The United States should cease funding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation now today.

01:19:37.980 Demand accountability on where that money went. Because I can tell you, seeing there and being

01:19:41.720 there and the resources that we spent, I don't know where that 30 million went. It didn't go to Gaza.

01:19:46.720 Somebody better check some bank accounts. Yes, immediately. But it wasn't the

01:19:52.560 Gaza Humanitarian Foundation that shot a mirror. So the question is, why would U.S.

01:19:58.060 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was right. Fair point.

01:19:59.920 You described the IDF as totally without decency, undisciplined

01:20:03.860 people who committed war crimes on a daily basis. Why would the U.S. government be funding that?

01:20:11.280 So here's one thing that I will say that I want to make clear on the record.

01:20:14.820 I have worked with the IDF on numerous occasions in my military career, not just in this mission.

01:20:28.100 I also, I stand with Israel in condemning the violence of Hamas.

01:20:34.340 Yes.

01:20:34.460 When I got into Israel on May 19th, the very next day on the 20th, I had some time in the evening.

01:20:41.460 I got a rental car and I went from Beersheba. That's where I was staying before we started

01:20:45.940 operations. And I drove to Kibbutz Bieri. Kibbutz Bieri is the kibbutz outside of Gate 96 that Hamas 0.93

01:20:52.240 hit first when they came through Gate 96. That's the gate they broke. That's the gate they came through.

01:20:57.300 And they slaughtered and murdered 300 plus 300 people in the kibbutz. 0.91

01:21:01.160 Then they went to the Nova Film Festival. I went to those sites. I went there on purpose

01:21:06.980 because I wanted to feel the gravity of Israel's position. I wanted to understand with my own eyes,

01:21:14.700 not what I heard on the news, what I saw, but to feel it. And did I feel anger? Yes. Did I feel

01:21:20.540 disgust? Yes. Did I feel sorrow, sadness, and pain and vengeance? Yes. But there are rules.

01:21:28.840 If we lose our humanity in saying that, well, we're just going to do what Hamas did because 0.97

01:21:33.960 they did it so we could do it to them, we've lost. Hamas has already won. We've lost our way. 0.95

01:21:39.880 So what I plead to the people of Israel and to the Israeli army, let's not lose our way.

01:21:44.000 America and Israel, let's not lose our way. Let's stay the course of what's tried and true and what

01:21:49.920 we've known throughout life. And that's dignity and respect for humans. We all demand that.

01:21:56.040 So the relationship with the IDFs, I don't characterize all of the IDF that way.

01:22:02.780 The forces that are deployed in the South, the IDF reserve conscripts,

01:22:08.920 need to be better trained and better equipped and have better leadership to be in the situation

01:22:16.740 that they're in now. Imagine, if you will, if the United States went to war and all of the U.S.

01:22:22.580 Army Rangers and all of the U.S. Army Green Berets and all of the U.S. Army 82nd Airborne was gone and

01:22:27.100 deployed and we needed more people. So we call up the Boy Scout PAC-902 and say, get your guns, boys.

01:22:35.440 We who called them up would be doing them a disservice. Israel has done the IDF a disservice.

01:22:40.720 And they're in a position where they're in way over their heads. So the behavior that I saw

01:22:47.380 is classic. I've seen this throughout my entire career. It's a matter of discipline. It's a matter

01:22:53.980 of leadership. And the same thing I say that I've said before, my issues with the GHF down,

01:23:01.540 it's not the men on the ground that are trying to do their best in the situation they're in. Now,

01:23:06.260 have some made some bad decisions that have done things that are just completely

01:23:09.240 off the field? Yes, they have. There's always a bad actor.

01:23:13.940 But it's the leadership. The leadership has failed to provide guidance and resources and education

01:23:18.820 and training. Same with the IDF in Gaza. Their leadership has failed them because they've put

01:23:24.240 them into a situation that is untenable and that you cannot avoid. You can't avoid the civilian deaths 0.99

01:23:31.440 because 8,000 to 9,000 people rushing through your... Imagine if you're an infantry platoon leader

01:23:38.080 and you have your patrol base and you're protecting your platoon and you're defending yourself

01:23:42.520 and 8,000 to 9,000 people rush through your area. What are you supposed to do?

01:23:49.860 There's not much you can do. And the leadership haven't provided them with any guidance on how to

01:23:54.440 control that situation, just like they didn't provide any guidance to the UG Solutions personnel

01:23:58.260 and how to control that situation. This is a leadership problem that touches all the way down

01:24:03.520 to the tactical level. Now, the IDF should be held accountable for that. Regardless of why it

01:24:10.420 happened, when you shoot at civilians with tanks, mortars, rifles, machine guns, when you purposely

01:24:16.860 displace the population, when you purposely use razor wire, again, razor wire banned by the Geneva

01:24:24.680 Convention for the use of civilian purposes for hospitals, water points, and distribution

01:24:28.120 sites. And that's why we're using razor wire. And the UG Solutions asked for that. When they did,

01:24:32.940 I was like, whoa, whoa, step back, cowboy. That's not a good idea. That violates Geneva Convention.

01:24:38.380 We can't use razor wire. Well, there's no difference. And I was like, there is. There's a difference

01:24:42.840 between barbed wire, concertina wire, and razor wire. And razor wire is specifically condemned

01:24:47.060 to the Geneva Convention to use at civilian sites. Don't use it. IDF gave it to us. They said it was

01:24:52.200 fine. Okay, so let's just rack up another war crime. So the IDF should be held accountable.

01:24:59.240 These things should be investigated. The IDF, I think, they've already kind of alluded to this.

01:25:06.320 I don't know if it's happening or not. They seriously need to go through their army and have 0.55

01:25:11.380 a seriously restructuring of discipline and standards and leadership. I'm not prepared to

01:25:16.820 say that the entire IDF is that way. But from what I saw from an entire division, the 403rd

01:25:22.560 Division Israeli Reserve in the South, they need a serious sit-down talk amongst themselves to fix 0.98

01:25:32.440 themselves because it's going off the rails.

01:25:35.760 Colonel, I'm grateful. God bless you for doing this. You don't benefit from it. You will be

01:25:42.860 attacked. I think anyone who watches what you just said can make up his own mind about your

01:25:48.800 credibility and your integrity. But from my perspective, you are absolutely the best that we

01:25:53.660 send. And so, again, God bless you. Thank you.

01:25:59.040 Thank you. I appreciate the time and thank you for all you do.

01:26:05.760 Thank you.

The Tucker Carlson Show - July 31, 2025

Tony Aguilar Details the Shocking War Crimes He’s Witnessing in Gaza

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