The Tucker Carlson Show - Trump Becomes the Very Thing He Swore to Destroy. And It Might Cost Us Our Country.

00:00:00.000 It's an interesting and revealing experience to talk to Trump voters right now.

00:00:03.960 They're having a lot of conflicting thoughts.

00:00:07.080 Now, most people who voted for Donald Trump in 2024 did so not because they were more

00:00:15.080 popular with their neighbors, but because they felt that Donald Trump was the last chance

00:00:20.260 this country had to make fundamental changes it needed to make to avert obvious disasters

00:00:26.320 looming on the horizon.

00:00:27.500 And so because people who voted for Trump did so against the considered advice of every news organization in the United States, basically, and all educated, fashionable people, they kind of went out on a limb to vote for this guy.

00:00:44.140 There is a natural hesitance to concede that things aren't working as planned.

00:00:49.200 so if you talk to them they will almost all concede almost all concede that a regime change

00:00:57.120 war with iran was kind of not part of the plan very few people voted for trump hoping that

00:01:01.940 you know the iran nuclear program that didn't actually exist in any meaningful way would be

00:01:06.780 the central focus of the administration like that nobody thought that who voted for trump

00:01:11.020 two years ago and some of them will tell you no it's actually very important that we ended that or

00:01:17.400 continue to fight Iran for whatever reason. Those of the Fox News viewers are almost all over 70.

00:01:21.880 But for most Trump voters, it's an obvious betrayal. Like, obviously, of course, we didn't

00:01:27.940 want that. Of course, you promised you wouldn't do it. You did it. So they'll tell you that.

00:01:34.340 But that's not the same as regretting their vote for Trump, because most people who voted for

00:01:39.200 Trump, who I should say are some of the best people in the country, whatever you think of

00:01:42.580 Trump, it's sort of this weird situation where the best people in the country elected one of

00:01:46.160 the worst people in the country, or another way to put it, the people who care most about

00:01:50.080 the United States, who are the most vested in the system, who believe most fervently

00:01:53.980 in, say, the Constitution, somehow elected a guy who doesn't care at all about any of

00:01:58.980 that.

00:01:59.520 So how did that happen?

00:02:00.540 Well, only historians probably will unravel that mystery.

00:02:03.660 But in the meantime, most people who voted for Trump, that we've talked to anyway, are

00:02:08.300 not at the point where they're rejecting Trump.

00:02:11.320 They don't want to reject Trump.

00:02:12.800 they vested so much in the guy that it's too hard to concede that wow that was a mistake

00:02:19.800 and of course most of them wouldn't vote for kamala harris under any circumstances so it's

00:02:24.460 not like they had someone else to vote for but if you press them a little bit they say look yeah

00:02:28.440 of course this is not going as planned at all and they'll tell you what a lot of them said

00:02:33.200 in his first term from 2016 to 2020 they'll say you know he's a good guy but he's surrounded

00:02:39.300 somehow by bad people who don't share the same vision, who are not America first, who

00:02:43.620 are in it for themselves or in it for a foreign country or whatever.

00:02:46.520 They've sold Trump out, but Trump either can't get a handle on the federal bureaucracy or

00:02:52.760 he just doesn't know.

00:02:54.180 He doesn't know that they're doing this.

00:02:56.040 You know, if only Trump knew.

00:02:59.060 And then if you press them still more, they will say, yeah, well, look, it's, you know,

00:03:02.760 it's not great in a lot of ways, but immigration.

00:03:06.960 He sealed the border.

00:03:08.220 he kept his promises on immigration and that's not a small thing because trump's position on

00:03:15.060 immigration is the core of the trump movement and has been since 2015 when he first emerged as a

00:03:22.300 candidate not a credible candidate he was still kind of a joke to a lot of people in washington

00:03:27.220 new york and la but he soon became a force in the republican party and then pretty swiftly took over

00:03:33.780 the republican party because of his position on immigration really for two reasons one it was a

00:03:42.600 lot more popular than anyone in new york los angeles or washington had any idea just didn't

00:03:48.280 know that there was a whole world out there that disagreed with him vehemently on the question of

00:03:54.180 immigration and not just illegal immigration but immigration broadly like who should live here

00:03:58.520 do we have too many people here too few people here most people fear their feel there are too

00:04:05.240 many already it's becoming a crowded country and most americans are not for that why would they be

00:04:10.320 for that and they felt this way even 10 years ago and so trump's position on that is the thing the

00:04:17.580 single thing that vaulted him from failed casino magnet to presidential nominee it was immigration

00:04:24.500 and his willingness, and this is the second part of the equation, to basically give the finger not

00:04:30.160 simply to the establishment, but to the Republican establishment. Trump was never an orthodox

00:04:35.420 Republican. That's not a knock against him. That's the whole reason that so many Republican voters

00:04:40.620 supported him, because they were dissatisfied with their own party. They'd voted for these

00:04:45.260 guys since Reagan, at least since 1980. And what had they gotten? Not a better country,

00:04:50.880 but a weaker, poorer country. Their party had betrayed them, and they knew that,

00:04:55.880 whether they admitted it in public or not. So Trump's willingness to break with the Republican

00:05:02.560 Party on the question of immigration, which was a core Republican orthodoxy, it was Ronald Reagan,

00:05:08.100 of course, who signed the amnesty of 1986, totally changing the composition of the state of California,

00:05:12.600 his state and others. And so from 1986 to 2016, that was the Republican position. Yeah, we have

00:05:22.540 problems with illegal immigration, but immigration is great. It's the basis of our country. It's

00:05:26.800 engraved on the bottom of the Statue of Liberty. Give us your tired and poor and people yearning

00:05:32.020 to be free etc that's the guy who does my lawn only trump could change that or more to the point

00:05:42.940 only trump did change that and so in case you've forgotten here is the last 10 years

00:05:49.880 encapsulated in four or five sound bites of donald trump on immigration on the first clip

00:05:55.540 you're about to see is exactly 10 years old it was august 31st 2016 exactly 10 years ago here's

00:06:03.800 donald trump the fundamental problem with the immigration system in our country is that it

00:06:12.100 serves the needs of wealthy donors political activists and powerful powerful politicians

00:06:19.040 That's all you can do.

00:06:21.140 Let me tell you who it does not serve.

00:06:25.720 It does not serve you, the American people.

00:06:30.280 It doesn't serve you.

00:06:32.280 Under my administration, anyone who illegally crosses the border will be detained until

00:06:39.740 they are removed out of our country and back to the country from which they came.

00:06:47.040 Anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation. 0.64

00:06:54.000 That is what it means to have laws and to have a country, otherwise we don't have a country. 0.91

00:07:00.960 Day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone.

00:07:17.040 and you can call it deported if you want.

00:07:20.600 The press doesn't like that term.

00:07:22.520 You can call it whatever the hell you want.

00:07:25.260 They're gone.

00:07:27.160 You know, it's worth lingering over those words.

00:07:30.000 And you wonder who wrote that.

00:07:30.820 Sounds like a Stephen Miller speech.

00:07:32.640 Much hate towards Stephen Miller, the old Stephen Miller,

00:07:35.980 for writing things like that.

00:07:36.960 We're just guessing.

00:07:38.040 But let's just consider these words. 1.00

00:07:40.460 The fundamental problem with the immigration system in our country

00:07:43.800 is that it serves the needs of wealthy donors,

00:07:46.100 political activists and powerful politicians let me tell you who it does not serve it does not

00:07:51.620 serve the american people it doesn't serve you so how is that not true everything about that

00:07:57.800 paragraph is true the immigration system was not designed to benefit the public and if it was tell

00:08:03.680 me how it's worked there's no net economic benefit to the way the united states has done immigration

00:08:09.920 over the last 25 years and if there is what was it how could a country that transitions from

00:08:16.760 manufacturing to a knowledge economy and now to high tech to an economy that doesn't even really

00:08:21.820 need labor that's the promise of ai how does it need a hundred million new low-skilled workers

00:08:27.700 who don't speak english tell me what need that serves tell me how the united states benefits

00:08:33.820 from that ordinary people of course there's no sense in which the public benefits from that

00:08:38.720 and you know that that's true because the people who designed that system and have defended that

00:08:44.780 system haven't actually defended it they've merely attacked anyone who questions that system

00:08:50.640 you're a racist you just don't like them because they're not white meanwhile often in the same

00:08:57.300 speech they will say immigration is turning america non-white and that's great and anyone 0.98

00:09:03.060 who notices that is a believer in the great replacement conspiracy theory which is anti-semitic 0.60

00:09:08.220 huh? It's not an argument in favor of immigration. It's a control tactic designed to crush opposition

00:09:18.080 to a program that on its face hurts the majority of the country and is certainly being enacted

00:09:23.740 against the will of the majority of the country. And so way back 10 years ago in August of 2016,

00:09:30.460 Trump said that out loud. And that may be more than anything. Perhaps his opposition to the

00:09:37.540 Iraq war retroactively. But let's just say probably more than anything, his critique of the American

00:09:45.700 immigration system, and particularly his point, his true impossible to refute point that it serves

00:09:52.480 only the people who designed it and not the public, that's why they opposed him.

00:09:59.820 And that itself is revealing, because in fact, Trump is making a kind of traditionally left-wing

00:10:05.780 critique, a pro-labor critique. In fact, he's making a species of exactly the same argument

00:10:12.200 that organized labor made throughout the teens and twenties. And that's why after the First

00:10:17.700 World War in about 1924, at the behest of the labor unions, the United States essentially shut

00:10:23.040 down immigration into the country to keep the labor market tight, to keep wages up for the

00:10:29.140 working and middle class. And that's one of the main reasons that this country from then until 0.77

00:10:34.080 2015 under Barack Obama, had a majority in the middle class. That is no longer true.

00:10:39.720 And the primary reason it's no longer true is because labor markets were watered down

00:10:46.240 by more people. It's a supply and demand question. More willing workers, lower wages.

00:10:52.960 And then the secondary effect, which is the total destruction of the native workforce.

00:10:58.980 People born in this country, raised with a certain expectation of standard of living,

00:11:04.420 drop out of the workforce entirely.

00:11:05.880 They give up.

00:11:06.960 And that has happened, and it's measurable.

00:11:09.520 In fact, it's one of the defining facts of the moment we're living in, though it's almost

00:11:12.800 never noted.

00:11:14.160 People born in this country, people who had conceivably relatives who fought in the Civil

00:11:18.680 War, are dropping out of the workforce in record numbers.

00:11:23.260 That's one of the reasons we still have a tight labor market.

00:11:26.220 It's one of the reasons it's hard to find help. 1.00

00:11:28.280 because people born here are not working. And they're certainly not working at the lower end 0.98

00:11:33.640 of the scale. So everything about Trump's critique was not just right, it was spot on.

00:11:42.840 And he rode that critique to victory in 2016, along with a couple of very specific promises.

00:11:48.820 And you heard a couple of them right there, and we'll add another. That is build a wall.

00:11:53.280 the 2016 campaign could be boiled down to one slogan build a wall well of course Trump didn't

00:11:59.700 build a wall didn't even make really a good faith effort to build a wall and his supporters and

00:12:06.260 defenders mostly ignored that me included because most of them felt he probably wanted to it's just

00:12:15.980 hard and he got distracted and there was Russiagate most people who voted for Trump

00:12:22.660 all three times and even the last time believed in fact i've never met anyone who voted for trump

00:12:27.540 who didn't believe that he really did understand that mass migration is terrible for the united 0.83

00:12:34.740 states as it has been terrible for europe as it was terrible for central asia under the mongols 0.60

00:12:40.180 it's always terrible it's too much change too fast and it destroys the pre-existing culture 0.86

00:12:48.500 every single time. So we know that. It's not racism. That's nature. And Trump knew that,

00:12:56.080 and he said it. And most people, people who hated him and loved him, thought he meant it as he said

00:13:02.060 it. Why did they think that? Because he kept saying it. This is one feature of Trump's program

00:13:07.960 that remained consistent from 2015 all the way up until election night 2024. Here is Trump that

00:13:15.940 year that campaign on stage with Kamala Harris in the now famous moment where he accused the

00:13:24.200 Haitians of the Midwest of eating the dogs and cats. Watch what they have done to our country 0.99

00:13:29.680 by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's 0.99

00:13:34.880 happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't want to talk. It's not

00:13:39.300 going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so

00:13:43.500 embarrassed by it in springfield they're eating the dogs the people that came in they're eating

00:13:50.000 the cats they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there really one of the

00:13:58.240 great moments in political history and of course it worked on a couple of different levels on a

00:14:03.320 political level this is what the kids call trolling trump says something knowing it will provoke

00:14:09.000 outrage, blind outrage, in fact, blind rage, and that every liberal on social media will be

00:14:15.140 spouting, just fuming, sputtering, spitting, huffing, and that that anger will provoke them,

00:14:25.380 his opponents, to take positions that are totally out of line with where the rest of the public is.

00:14:32.520 In other words, by making them mad, he makes them more extreme, and that extremism

00:14:37.360 sinks their ship in the end it's smart it may be corrosive it may be damaging long term but as a

00:14:43.640 political tactic that works and no one did it better no one does it better to this day than

00:14:48.320 Donald Trump so on that level it was a success but on a deeper level it worked because there's 1.00

00:14:54.880 a lot of truth in that were the Haitians eating the dogs and cats in Springfield I don't know 1.00

00:15:00.160 they certainly could have been has mass migration third world mass migration made small towns in 0.99

00:15:06.260 america better only people who've never been to those towns could claim it has anyone who's

00:15:10.960 actually been to those towns or lives in one who's gotten in a car and driven through lightly

00:15:15.660 populated parts of the country in the last 15 years what does it look like it looks awful

00:15:21.960 it's dying and the solution in state after state and town after town city after city

00:15:27.860 beginning with chicago long our second biggest city now our third but in all kinds of cities

00:15:33.680 has been the tax base is gone we've got a lot of empty apartments we're going to fill them up 1.00

00:15:39.980 with immigrants and they've done that and the effect has been devastating to the country 1.00

00:15:47.900 it's not an attack on those immigrants most of them are looking for a better life whether or

00:15:53.600 not they care about the united states in many cases they don't many of them don't even seek

00:15:57.340 citizenship they don't care they're here to make money for their families back home that doesn't

00:16:00.920 make them evil. Most of them aren't evil. Some of them are criminals, but most of them aren't.

00:16:06.900 In fact, a lot of them are very hard workers. So it's not an attack on them to say that it has been

00:16:13.380 utterly devastating to the communities in which they've moved or been moved, because everything

00:16:20.320 changes instantly. And what does that mean for the people who live in those communities, who grew up

00:16:26.180 there who had no role at all in this policy who wouldn't sign off on it if they'd had the chance

00:16:31.760 but of course were never given the chance they weren't even asked it happened to them people who

00:16:36.200 live far away who have more power than they do impose this on them for reasons that nothing to do

00:16:40.560 with their well-being or thriving it was a kind of punishment imposed from afar that's how they

00:16:47.720 experience it because that's what it is and they're resentful about that that doesn't make

00:16:52.820 them racist most of them aren't racist whatever that means by the way the people throwing around

00:16:57.160 the term racist never define it but they're not bad people they're not evil they don't hate others

00:17:02.440 because of their skin color they just don't want their neighborhood to change overnight

00:17:05.360 and become a foreign experience who would want that and by the way the people making these 0.66

00:17:11.700 decisions never impose these decisions on their own neighborhoods and if you don't believe it

00:17:18.380 drive through their neighborhoods look up the 15 richest zip codes in the united states and

00:17:22.200 they're also the most stable zip codes because they are not subjected to mass migration so that 0.51

00:17:28.800 kind of tells you the whole story right there Martha's Vineyard looks a lot like it did 50

00:17:34.280 years ago so does Nantucket so does Brookline Massachusetts so does Aspen if it's so great 0.96

00:17:39.560 then why don't they have 10,000 Haitians living in Martha's Vineyard because it's not great that's

00:17:47.100 why it's not an attack on the Haitians it's the nature of mass migration taking people from a

00:17:53.340 completely different culture with no education limited skills and no money and dropping them

00:17:59.400 into what was formerly a pretty prosperous stable community who benefits not the formerly

00:18:06.600 prosperous community if you think that's racist then go away because that's absurd it's not it's

00:18:12.380 real and trump made that point he was brave enough to do that and god bless him for doing it

00:18:17.380 so because he said that and many things like that normal people who don't just dismiss all

00:18:24.780 challenges to their worldview as racism or anti-semitism but try to critically assess

00:18:29.980 what others are saying those people said to themselves you know he's on to something here

00:18:36.040 like what are we doing to springfield ohio why aren't we doing that to bethesda maryland

00:18:41.620 well we're not doing it to bethesda maryland because bethesda maryland is rich and members

00:18:45.940 of congress live there that's why in springfield ohio where is that who cares that's like post

00:18:51.300 industrial hell we can do whatever we want to them and if we want to construct artificially a new

00:18:56.440 voting base in the middle of ohio if we want to change it from red to blue or whatever our plan

00:19:01.220 is we just want to weaken america and divide it so it can't oppose us collectively which may be

00:19:06.820 part of the plan but whatever our aim is we can do it in springfield ohio because who's going to

00:19:10.860 stop us they don't have a lobby in dc mary madelson doesn't care what happens in springfield

00:19:15.960 ohio so that's what happened and everybody knows that and let's stop lying about it and trump was

00:19:22.700 one of the only people not to lie about it and of course he expressed it in artfully kind of 0.89

00:19:27.120 retarded way but it doesn't make it less true so it was on the basis of that and his opposition to 0.86

00:19:34.800 foreign wars that got him elected in 2024 so what happened then well a lot happened then 0.89

00:19:44.280 on the other hand not much happened then as you're about to learn as we talk to the recently

00:19:50.800 departed head of border patrol greg bovino who spent 30 years in the border patrol and was hired

00:19:57.800 early on to get our immigration system under control. One of the things that happened

00:20:05.680 is that there was turnover in who ran our immigration system. Now, it's mostly run

00:20:13.160 from Washington, of course, and ICE and the Border Patrol are the two main instruments.

00:20:21.320 take a look at the new head of the entire immigration enforcement operation this is a

00:20:30.720 former senator from oklahoma called mark wayne mullen and he's taken over in the last year

00:20:37.580 this is the guy trump hired to deport over 100 million illegals watch this we have naturalization

00:20:46.200 ceremonies every single day in the united states that we're in that is you know federal government's

00:20:53.840 open we have hundreds of thousands of people in fact over we're real close to 900 000 individuals

00:21:01.880 that have been naturalized in the last 12 months there's a legal system to go through wait a second

00:21:09.040 this is the guy who runs the department of home and security mark wayne mullen who was hired by

00:21:16.520 trump to deport all these illegals who came into the country over the last 20 years but particularly

00:21:22.220 over the four years under joe biden 50 million they told us and here he is this month that was

00:21:28.820 august 4th of this month sitting before the national governors association bragging about

00:21:33.860 how many of these people have become citizens, almost a million, 900,000. What? Was that the

00:21:41.360 promise? Did Trump run less than two years ago on the promise to give citizenship to people who

00:21:46.920 came here illegally? Wasn't it the opposite of that? And if it was the opposite of that,

00:21:51.960 why did he hire one of the most liberal Republicans in the Senate, one of the most

00:21:55.460 pro-illegal immigration Republicans in the entire Senate, and that's saying a lot,

00:21:59.080 mark wayne mullen to run deportation this is starting to feel like a betrayal

00:22:05.860 oh but it gets worse here's what mark wayne mullen went on to say to the governors on august 4th of

00:22:14.300 this year i what i'm saying is let me work with you on this stuff i'm not handling things like

00:22:20.640 maybe the past uh secretary had i'm just saying let's work to get the worst of the worst off the

00:22:28.280 streets and then you won't see me in your cities and states like you do as much because of my

00:22:33.080 presence won't be as big in fact you probably won't even see us at all oh we're gonna stop

00:22:38.960 enforcing immigration law we're gonna go after the worst of the worst the criminals who by the

00:22:45.580 way presumably could be rounded up by local or state law enforcement isn't that their job

00:22:50.440 this is the head of federal immigration enforcement the guy whose job was literally

00:22:57.800 paid to enforce immigration law laws that were passed by the congress these aren't regulations

00:23:02.580 that came out of the agencies these are laws passed by the democratic process in other words

00:23:07.960 you vote for someone so he can make a law that reflects your views and your values that's what

00:23:13.360 democracy is and he does and then this guy is hired to make sure those laws are enforced and

00:23:19.860 here he is telling the 50 governors that actually i'm not going to enforce those laws now if he

00:23:25.700 worked for joe biden this would be a scandal would be on every fox news show all day long

00:23:30.300 here's the head of the department of homeland security saying he's not going to enforce

00:23:33.620 immigration law oh my gosh they're open borders people which they were this is trump's guy

00:23:39.520 mark wayne mullen making the same claim and so the point is really simple the true betrayal

00:23:49.300 of the second Trump term may not be foreign policy.

00:23:54.660 That's the most damaging thing Trump

00:23:57.160 or any American president has ever done,

00:23:59.560 beginning a fruitless war with Iran

00:24:01.600 and thereby destroying our empire and probably our dollar.

00:24:07.240 But in terms of a political betrayal,

00:24:10.500 what Trump has not done in immigration is more profound

00:24:13.780 because you probably won't find a single Trump voter

00:24:18.260 who disagreed with Trump's views on immigration.

00:24:20.600 And once again, this is why Trump was able to move

00:24:24.060 from the private sector as a branding guy

00:24:26.920 to the White House as an American president

00:24:29.480 was on the basis of his promises on immigration.

00:24:32.700 So for him to betray those promises is profound.

00:24:36.780 And it's understandable that most people who voted for him

00:24:38.880 can't metabolize this, don't want to deal with it,

00:24:41.700 want to believe we've sealed the border

00:24:43.340 and everything's fine.

00:24:45.060 But at a certain point, it's important to know

00:24:47.700 exactly where we are not just speculate about it or cite some study from Yale on what's the state

00:24:54.200 of illegal immigration in the United States but talk to the guy who ran it Greg Bovino who ran

00:25:00.600 Border Patrol who has the actual numbers on this question how many illegal aliens are in the United

00:25:05.900 States these are people who are foreign nationals who are living here illegally who have broken the 0.99

00:25:11.360 law to get here and are breaking the law in every single case every single day by using fake 1.00

00:25:17.740 documents to work and collect benefits and send their kids to public school and to use the

00:25:22.820 emergency room at public expense etc etc etc and these are not minor laws these are core laws that

00:25:30.740 if you broke you would be punished for breaking so how many of those are there how many were in

00:25:37.820 this country the day trump was inaugurated january 20th 2025 and how many are here now

00:25:43.340 what are the real numbers no one has pointed this out democrats have no incentive to point it out

00:25:52.820 of course ice shot a couple protesters last year and so the emphasis has been on that

00:25:58.780 they're murderous thugs okay we can debate that obviously shooting unarmed people is bad never

00:26:03.980 defend it but that's not the whole story the whole story is that immigration enforcement

00:26:11.800 in the united states has stopped has stopped and this fact which is a central fact which will

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00:27:36.620 So without further delay, this is Greg Bovino, who just left the Trump administration,

00:27:44.380 ran Border Patrol, has the actual numbers on this stuff, was there while it was happening.

00:27:49.580 We believe he is telling the truth.

00:27:51.080 you should listen carefully to this interview and you should pay special and very close attention

00:27:55.700 to his description of what the administration is now trying to do to him it's shocking

00:28:02.260 greg bovino greg bovino thank you very much for doing this so just to kind of set it in context

00:28:09.100 what is the state of illegal immigration in the united states today to the extent that we know

00:28:13.320 like how many illegal immigrants live in the united states how many have been deported since

00:28:19.120 trump got elected etc like where are we tucker thanks for having me it's good to see of course 0.67

00:28:23.000 uh state of illegal immigration uh one word comes to mind that's catastrophe

00:28:26.900 right now in the united states i i've got the number of 107 million illegal aliens currently

00:28:34.680 residing with impunity i might add in the united states 107 million 107 million one quarter

00:28:41.460 of the population we've got 330 000 approximately american citizens add another 107 million

00:28:48.200 onto that i think you can look around in any state any region or any city in the united states if

00:28:55.340 you're just a regular american citizen and say well you know what there's an awful lot

00:29:00.600 of illegal aliens and foreigners in our country yeah i mean it's a completely different country

00:29:07.080 because it's got a completely different population and you're discouraged from saying that for some

00:29:11.340 reason people are bullied into silence on the question but i mean it's it's not the same country

00:29:16.140 it's not even close and you know better in some ways worse in a lot of ways but it's totally

00:29:22.020 different and i assume that was mostly because of legal immigration but 107 million illegal

00:29:28.920 illegal the ones that came right across that border and not only over the past few years

00:29:35.080 under the biden administration but look at what's happened over the past 40 years why are we fighting

00:29:39.660 a war with iran sorry well it makes me mad what why are we using our 1.5 trillion dollar military

00:29:46.480 to fight a war across the world when we have 107 million illegal aliens in our we've said it many

00:29:52.200 times in the border patrol the war is on american soil the war the effort that true effort is on

00:29:58.580 american soil so i agree with you on that 100 tucker is the wars on american soil and it's not

00:30:06.260 a war to simply deport those 107 million illegal aliens this is survival of the species ladies and

00:30:12.720 gentlemen we are at that precipice of are we going to remain the united states the country of our 0.52

00:30:18.500 values traditions and beliefs or are we going to devolve into something completely different

00:30:24.200 if we don't do something quick and fight that war here on american soil we're there but i mean

00:30:30.040 that was the whole point of getting trump elected twice was to stop illegal immigration build a wall

00:30:37.200 which he didn't do and then okay we'll give another chance 2024 hired greg bovino to run

00:30:44.360 border patrol tom homan tough on immigration or whatever like stephen miller he means it

00:30:50.660 and the one thing you knew about trump was we were going to deport people who are here illegally 0.79

00:30:56.160 because they have no right to be here they're breaking the law i go to jail if i break the law

00:30:59.280 but if you're from a foreign country you get subsidies to come here if you break the law like 0.84

00:31:03.020 it didn't it doesn't make any sense but that hasn't happened has it it happened for that very

00:31:09.660 short period of time in the interior when the border patrol and the u.s border patrol was in

00:31:14.740 the interior and then with the surrender in minnesota it stopped the 77 million voters

00:31:21.000 that voted for mass deportations i guess it uh they didn't matter anymore um but it does matter

00:31:29.100 It matters to you.

00:31:30.000 It matters to me.

00:31:30.560 It matters to the 77 million people. 0.99

00:31:32.740 It matters to those 22,000 border patrol agents who put their life on the line in those cities to have that rug jerked out from under them by those homens and those commissioner Rodney Scotts. 1.00

00:31:45.160 Okay. 0.99

00:31:45.740 So now without getting, you know, the federal government is its own field of study.

00:31:50.480 Okay.

00:31:50.960 You could get a PhD in it and still not understand it.

00:31:52.960 It's the largest human organization in history.

00:31:55.660 It spends $7 trillion a year.

00:31:57.820 So, like, it's hard to understand what it is, but in terms that non-experts can understand, what is the difference between the Border Patrol and ICE?

00:32:08.360 A vast difference.

00:32:09.800 The U.S. Border Patrol is the uniformed branch of Department of Homeland Security.

00:32:17.320 CBP and the U.S. Border Patrol, they wear uniforms.

00:32:19.600 They wear a uniform just like a police officer you might see in a city.

00:32:22.780 They wear uniforms. 0.99

00:32:24.280 They are the immigration police.

00:32:25.560 the uniforms immigration police then we've got ice border patrol more than they've been around

00:32:30.700 forever right been here 102 years uh and they've had that interior border mission for all 102 years

00:32:39.380 it was the u.s border patrol the marine corps federal law enforcement that expeditionary force

00:32:44.160 that would go into the united states over those 102 years and there are many examples of that

00:32:49.060 to deport up to millions of illegal aliens it's always been their mission and right now that

00:32:56.040 uniformed immigration force is standing shoulder to shoulder on the border staring south twiddling

00:33:02.580 their thumbs largest border patrol in history now taken off the table the most highly trained

00:33:09.120 immigration police that you have taken right out of the game why would you take your pro squad or

00:33:15.000 your varsity squad out of the game i'm totally confused so okay so there are two parts of this

00:33:21.960 question there's the border you know the the line between the united states and mexico and canada

00:33:27.340 and then there's the question of illegal the 107 illegal aliens living in the country

00:33:33.140 so you often hear people say well we sealed the borders so trump succeeded um i don't think that's

00:33:40.800 correct. I don't think that's what success is, but have the borders been sealed? The borders are

00:33:47.380 under control more than they ever have been in my lifetime. However, when you don't have that

00:33:54.340 interior immigration enforcement, that mass deportation, what does that do to your border?

00:33:59.620 What does that do to the cartels and the transnational criminal organizations that

00:34:03.240 are going to push people across that border? No defense in history has ever been 100%. None will

00:34:07.700 ever be 100% what does that do well you know if I make it past those border patrol agents who are

00:34:13.740 standing on the line facing south I got a freebie Tucker I got a freebie I got a freebie because if

00:34:20.020 I get into the interior there are no mass deportations occurring there is the worst of the

00:34:25.000 worst and the targeted criminal enforcement that sounds so great what illegal alien crossing the 0.67

00:34:31.580 border is going to say well gosh I'm the worst of the worst I better not cross none of them think

00:34:36.040 that so what that does to your border is that makes your border less secure and you will see

00:34:42.600 that over a period of time that they are going to try and come across that border and they will

00:34:48.560 they'll succeed because all they have to do is make it into the interior and once they make it

00:34:53.760 into the interior they're up against ice you ask what the difference between ice and border patrol

00:34:58.340 ice fantastic there's some patriots there i love the ice agents i worked with them for that year

00:35:03.200 tough individuals. They've got a tough mission, but remember that is your non-uniformed

00:35:10.060 immigration officers, the ones that go into jails and arrest known criminals,

00:35:15.680 long-term investigations. They're your plainclothes detectives. Tucker, would you send

00:35:21.440 New York City police detectives into the most violent situation that New York has ever faced

00:35:28.020 and said, well, you know, you're going to go tackle violent street crime now, and our uniformed

00:35:32.400 police officers are going to stand by and do something else. No. Absolutely not. But that's

00:35:36.300 what's happening right now. So when did Border Patrol stop policing the interior of the country

00:35:41.880 for illegal immigration? Well, most recently it was our surrender in Minnesota. But before that,

00:35:48.140 you have to remember the U.S. Border Patrol had interior Border Patrol stations. Yes. Places like

00:35:53.200 Little Rock, Arkansas, Oklahoma City, Las Vegas, Amarillo, Texas, Dallas, Texas, all over the

00:35:59.560 interior it was because they were that interior immigration force when needed to go in and pacify

00:36:08.160 a region an area or a city so that then those plainclothes detectives who do a great job

00:36:14.520 could then take a pacified area and keep it pacified that's what this that's the way that

00:36:19.720 whole thing has worked for 102 years that's been upended that doesn't happen now why is that

00:36:25.100 well you tell me why is that when did that stop uh minnesota you know the great i call it the

00:36:32.340 great surrender the great surrender in minnesota when commissioner rodney scott and tom holman

00:36:37.940 decided to come in and who are they uh that's customs and border patrol commissioner rodney

00:36:44.000 scott and what's his background uh border patrol career border patrol okay career board should

00:36:49.500 know should know what the border patrol is to be used for and tom holman is who he's our border

00:36:54.900 Czar, a prior ICE official, spent his whole year with ICE. I believe he was a Border Patrol agent

00:37:01.160 for about a year and then jumped on over to the plainclothes division there. So you've got those

00:37:07.580 two individuals that, remember, they were silent, completely silent for that year when those Border

00:37:14.440 Patrol agents were battling it out in a two-front war in those cities. A two-front war, what's a

00:37:19.840 two-front war? Battling the bad people and bad things, the cartels and the illegal aliens and 0.71

00:37:24.780 the criminals, and then battling the Pritzers, the Newsoms, the Mayor Basses, and the politicians.

00:37:32.840 Where were they during that year? But then Minnesota, all of a sudden they show up and say,

00:37:38.540 hey, we're here to save the day in Minnesota. What was saving the day? Surrendering interior

00:37:44.300 enforcement. They surrendered. That was saving the day. So your interior enforcement stopped

00:37:49.720 the day the border patrol was sent out of minnesota that was a decision that the president

00:37:55.360 made and i i you know i can't say that was his decision because he didn't the president didn't

00:38:02.020 consult with me on that i understood that it was he announced it anyway well he announced they were

00:38:07.140 they were coming to minnesota yeah um you know i think it's the president's team that has that

00:38:14.320 conspiracy not to to conduct interior enforcement it's that team i think he gets some bad information

00:38:21.500 he's got some hellacious gatekeepers i don't give him much credit for doing anything immigration

00:38:26.700 related because they're doing nothing but talking about a gatekeeper in other words someone that can

00:38:32.000 control that information flow to the big man they do one hell of a job they're doing nothing

00:38:38.120 really for immigration enforcement in inside the united states no it's some target enforcement

00:38:43.960 you hear an operation here an operation there there was one in maryland i think they had 1200

00:38:49.740 arrests last uh last week something like that what what that is is that's we're gonna do an

00:38:56.860 operation spread that splash that across the headlines and gaslight america into thinking

00:39:02.760 that's what we do every single day all across the united states when nothing could be further from

00:39:07.720 the truth walk out on the street and look walk out on the street walk to a home depot and take

00:39:13.360 a look at what's in the parking lot at home depot does it look like there's mass deportations and

00:39:16.960 interior enforcement occurring absolutely not because let me tell you the illegal aliens sure

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00:40:42.980 So this has got to be the greatest portrayal

00:40:44.980 in American political history

00:40:46.520 because the whole Trump campaign of 2016 and 2024

00:40:51.340 were about immigration

00:40:52.860 and about reducing the number of illegal aliens

00:40:56.040 in the country. 0.94

00:40:56.780 Like that was the whole campaign.

00:40:59.740 So how many just, let's just bottom line it,

00:41:01.740 if we can't, I mean, again,

00:41:02.940 to the extent that we can know these numbers,

00:41:05.780 how many illegal aliens residing in the United States

00:41:08.960 the day trump was sworn in would you say uh for the sec for the second term i would say the 107

00:41:14.720 million then and how many now would you say there are in the country 105 million because christine

00:41:21.200 um and the u.s board of patrol did cause those self-deportations to occur during that year

00:41:25.460 lines at the airport going south like you wouldn't believe that's not happening now you think so you

00:41:32.480 think there are about one and a half million self-deportations yeah approximately yes how

00:41:37.680 many deportations by force? Five to six hundred thousand, maybe. Maybe. Okay. So you think that

00:41:45.920 after all of that and all the drama that ensued, that there are still 105 million illegal aliens

00:41:53.760 in the United States right now? Absolutely. Absolutely. You bet. 105 solid. Could be more 0.76

00:41:59.580 than that even, Ducker. Does anyone else know this? You know, because if you've got a population

00:42:04.500 of 330 340 million and 105 million illegal aliens i mean that's like the craziest number i've ever

00:42:13.160 heard you really think that's the real number absolutely and you know i guess you would know

00:42:17.940 right because you ran border patrol yeah and one seeing what's coming across the border and then

00:42:22.380 juxtaposing that with what we saw in the cities and regions we were in and then even taking a

00:42:28.240 look at some of the numbers something as simple as a traffic pattern charlotte north carolina's

00:42:33.680 got a fantastic example. Take a look at commuters going to work. Commuters going to work in Charlotte

00:42:39.540 when we arrived for that five-day operation, Operation Charlotte's Web, the commute went

00:42:45.100 from terrible to exceptional. So we started doing some studies. I had the staff, hey, do a study on

00:42:50.700 the traffic. Let's extrapolate some numbers. What does it take to have an exceptional commute to

00:42:56.260 work to do that you need to remove about 30 approximately 30 35 percent of the commuters

00:43:03.360 and they took it took a look at the number of commuters going I think it was yeah I want to

00:43:10.960 say around 200,000 I can't remember the exact number now but 30 percent what is that 30 percent

00:43:16.740 equal it starts equaling that 107 million which is you know a similar percentage of the American

00:43:23.660 population. What is that? You know, 25% of the American population. So we looked at the commuters.

00:43:29.980 Then we looked at absentee rates from Charlotte and Mecklenburg schools. 30% of students didn't

00:43:37.760 show up in Charlotte and Mecklenburg. What does that start looking like? It starts looking like

00:43:42.120 the 107 million is a pretty accurate figure. We saw the same thing in Chicago, the same thing in

00:43:46.940 los angeles los angeles that commute went from terrible to better than exceptional how many

00:43:54.980 commuters did we take off the take out of the equation in los angeles to make that drive in

00:44:00.680 america's worst worst traffic traffic getting to make it really good and they're like wow

00:44:08.180 these commutes really good think about what that took so so we have a crowded poor country which

00:44:13.300 we do because of illegal immigration is what you're saying yes i am saying that 100 i think

00:44:20.020 that a majority of our problems are downstream of immigration whether it's something as simple

00:44:25.020 as a commute to work but something more insidious and more important such as affordability for

00:44:31.340 housing for our young people 107 million people in our country what does that do to housing what

00:44:36.720 does that do to welfare, jails, schools, hospitals? What does that do to any service that an American

00:44:44.160 citizen should think they have access to? It occludes it. It occludes it to the point where

00:44:49.840 they don't have it. Take a look at our natural resources. I'm a big natural resource guy. I'm

00:44:54.020 a conservationist. I am too. Look at what's happening to our natural resources. We had

00:44:58.660 Teddy Roosevelt and Gifford Pinchot, and they started that conservation movement along with

00:45:03.780 americans that conservation movement's over 100 years old now it's been destroyed in many areas

00:45:11.040 of the country in 10 years 100 years of conservation destroyed in 10 years entire ecosystems wiped out

00:45:16.660 by illegal aliens look at the ginseng harvest in our eastern forests many of those poor mountain

00:45:23.400 families from where i'm from there in the appalachian mountains harvested ginseng for

00:45:28.540 hundreds of years since daniel boom all the way to the mid-1990s they can't do that anymore

00:45:33.620 why it's been stripped that ginseng has been stripped from those mountains by illegal aliens 0.57

00:45:40.620 hey you know what let's drop off 15 illegal aliens we'll scour the entire mountainside take 0.95

00:45:47.380 every single bit of it in a non-sustainable harvest and take it off but that's everything 0.71

00:45:52.280 i'm getting too upset hey but that's not just ginseng that's everything so i did a research

00:45:57.900 paper on that back in 2012 they wouldn't let me publish it in the border patrol it was destruction

00:46:03.500 of our nation's natural resources by illegal aliens wouldn't let me publish it publish it why

00:46:08.040 they said it was too controversial it told the truth so it was too controversial for a border

00:46:13.900 patrol agent to note that illegal immigration was destroying our natural resources imagine that

00:46:18.960 yes i tried several times just national suicide that's obviously yeah you bet so every facet of

00:46:25.820 our our natural resources are under attack you know look we're having water problems out west

00:46:31.340 uh they're telling us running out of water running out of water they're telling us we may

00:46:36.120 have rolling blackouts because we don't have enough electricity everything is downstream

00:46:40.100 of immigration no pun intended but the water problem out west we can fix that oh in about 0.98

00:46:47.220 two years deport 107 million of those illegal aliens taking your and my water and my resources 0.83

00:46:53.720 problem solved we're sierra club hey where's all the environmental groups they don't seem to really

00:46:59.380 care now all of a sudden you know i guess that's okay you know if it's illegal aliens you're not

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00:49:01.360 gonna love it the i just can't get past the betrayal of all of this there's still 105 and

00:49:07.320 i think if you were to poll trump voters and ask and i think a lot of them would say i'm disappointed

00:49:12.500 by this or that but the one upside is immigration enforcement i think if you told them that there

00:49:18.200 are 105 million illegal aliens not green card holders illegal aliens have no right to be here

00:49:25.060 living here in violation of the law and living in almost all cases on public support i mean whether 0.72

00:49:33.360 it's schools roads hospitals or direct support from the states i think they wouldn't even believe

00:49:39.540 few. I think Trump voters really think that the administration's done a great job on immigration

00:49:44.820 because Fox News has told them that. You know, the gaslighting, masterclass. Really? Masterclass

00:49:50.360 gaslighters. Can you give me an example? Well, again, the operations that they conduct. Hey,

00:49:55.900 you know what? Largest amount of illegal aliens or largest amount of aliens deported,

00:50:01.860 you know, in the past 50 years just took place last week. Hey, what are the numbers? I can't

00:50:07.460 seem to get the numbers. Your social media influencers can't seem to get the numbers,

00:50:11.380 but they're sure touting the numbers out there. And what are the numbers? I haven't seen the

00:50:16.660 numbers. If this is really happening, then how is it that 250 Border Patrol agents on those

00:50:24.340 interior operations pretty much shut down large sections of the country where we didn't see an

00:50:29.140 illegal alien? They weren't going to hospitals, jails, schools, or anything else because they

00:50:34.420 were either self-deporting or buttoning up that's not happening now so if what you say is really

00:50:41.260 taking place you would see the effects every american citizen would see the effects like they

00:50:46.260 saw it over that past year during operation at large operation midway blitz charlotte's web

00:50:51.140 operation catahoula crunch and then the surrender in minnesota you would see that you would see it

00:50:56.400 with your own eyes you know it's not some ethereal concept tiger you can see that kind of thing with

00:51:01.800 your own eyes and american citizens that come up to us on the streets came up to us on the streets

00:51:06.720 and come up to me on the streets now they say gosh it sure was a different story when you guys were

00:51:12.340 out when the mean green team was out there on the streets taking it to them wow everything was

00:51:18.500 different we finally had hope you're not getting that now from people that are actually up against

00:51:25.920 illegal immigration most especially and this is key here our young people those young conservatives

00:51:31.920 wow now there are a bunch of individuals that are seeing this i get more comments

00:51:40.100 and more uh more rhetoric from them than anybody i have ever seen they are not happy their future

00:51:48.740 they understand is being taken taken away it has been taken away and you know tucker something very

00:51:53.880 powerful here one of those young uh young conservatives came up to me and said you know

00:51:59.120 we've only heard stories of america we've only heard the story of america i'm like what do you

00:52:06.260 mean the story of america we are there's no story he goes we don't know what america is people like

00:52:12.480 you tell us what america people like tucker say this is what america used to be like we've only

00:52:17.560 heard the story of america that was the most powerful thing i've ever heard uh being a border

00:52:23.200 agent is this young person that doesn't even know what real america is because it's been taken from

00:52:27.980 them a lot of it through illegal immigration and um you know they better wake up some of these people

00:52:34.820 that have betrayed us some of those gatekeepers that i just talked to better wake up because

00:52:39.960 there's a lot of pissed off people out there especially the young they did a big part in

00:52:45.080 ensuring that there was somebody in office that would take care of immigration very unhappy campers

00:52:50.680 right now and i don't blame them a bit they should be unhappy and they are sharpening spears dancing

00:52:57.020 around the campfire right now they have every reason to um one measure of border security is

00:53:03.940 the presence of narcotics that are manufactured outside the country and cocaine is one that

00:53:08.540 cocaine is a pretty good measure because we don't grow coca here so all cocaine at least the base

00:53:14.760 cocaine base comes from outside the country comes from the andes so in 1985 the average

00:53:20.580 cost of a gram of highly impure cocaine majority baby laxative cocaine was a hundred dollars a

00:53:26.400 gram and you had to drive to some sketchy area and roll down your window and buy it and risk your

00:53:30.620 life the price now in many american cities particularly in texas is fifty dollars a gram

00:53:36.440 for almost totally pure cocaine you can have delivered to your house within like 10 minutes

00:53:40.320 no risk so that tells me that we don't have secure borders if the price of cocaine and that's

00:53:48.360 not adjusted for inflation those are just the straight numbers $100 in 1985 $50 now so that's

00:53:53.740 like I don't even know what the inflation adjustment would be but that's like $5 a gram

00:53:58.980 you know in 1985 dollars clearly we're not keeping drugs out right exactly exactly and that's where

00:54:09.060 those mass deportations are so very important that 107 105 million is so very important we saw that

00:54:15.660 in those cities. Look at the double-digit drops in crime in those cities when those cocaine

00:54:20.400 traffickers, when those human traffickers, whatever traffickers couldn't traffic anymore,

00:54:26.360 double-digit drops in crime. We're not taking away the people that use it. A lot of those

00:54:32.440 American citizens dumb enough to do that kind of thing, but we're just going to remove everyone 1.00

00:54:38.140 that traffics it, that knows it's being trafficked, that has anything to do with it being trafficked. 1.00

00:54:42.840 we're just going to do away with them. I think he did start out really good. He was blowing some

00:54:47.940 drug boats up, the fentanyl. Fentanyl kills a lot of people. That's terrible stuff,

00:54:51.780 just like cocaine and anything else. Hey, that was good. That was taking place simultaneously

00:54:56.360 with us in those cities, taking it to the illegal aliens. Hey, that gave me hope. I was like, 1.00

00:55:01.720 they're actually bombing boats in the water. Well, if you're going to take away border patrol

00:55:07.380 from the interior, are you really going to be that serious? Are you going to bomb a boat

00:55:11.400 and do what Rodney Scott and Tom Holman do,

00:55:14.640 do it one time, splash it across the headlines

00:55:16.480 and say, yeah, we're really taking it to him

00:55:17.960 when you did one time.

00:55:19.680 So I'm a little bit confused.

00:55:20.840 So Holman, who I've interviewed several times,

00:55:24.940 says he's very against illegal immigration

00:55:27.680 and has a pistol and an ankle holster

00:55:30.460 and kind of seems like a rough and ready,

00:55:34.960 no BS kind of guy who's dedicated his life

00:55:37.300 to fighting illegal immigration.

00:55:39.100 You worked with him.

00:55:40.040 tell us is that is that an accurate picture you know i'll tell you when you're going to lead 0.98

00:55:46.780 an effort to do something like that inevitably and it's a must do you better have your ass out 0.95

00:55:55.300 there on the front lines with your people bleeding next to them especially in the most violent 0.93

00:56:03.300 law enforcement domestic law enforcement mission that's faced the u.s in its history

00:56:08.720 the most and i'm even including prohibition in this one now um where were these individuals

00:56:15.540 during that year of pure unadulterated violence i didn't see him where was commissioner rodney

00:56:25.420 scott missing in action where was where was tom holman nice guy fun guy to talk to probably a

00:56:31.880 great guy to have a whiskey with where was he ankle holster and all um where were they

00:56:38.320 you better get your butt out there with your people bleed and be ready to make that ultimate 0.91

00:56:44.600 sacrifice next to them you're not too good you're not too good to do that none of yous are you better 0.98

00:56:50.360 get out there and do that so i would pose that question back to you as my answer is well where

00:56:55.320 were they i never saw them not saw not once never even heard from them never had a conversation

00:56:59.620 nothing silence but they're not silent now uh still not out there but not silent

00:57:07.580 um more of a we're going to take a soft approach i guess maybe that's the what does that mean a

00:57:13.440 soft approach a soft approach means we're not going to be out there doing those general immigration

00:57:20.000 raids we're not going to conduct total spectrum immigration enforcement which is what you have

00:57:25.620 to do if you're going to win this battle total spectrum immigration that means everything brought

00:57:30.120 to bear against that enemy in other words we're talking about the war being fought on american

00:57:34.780 story. It's going to take an effort like that, a total warfare. What they're talking about is

00:57:40.240 a limited form of enforcement, sort of like World War II versus Vietnam. What do we do in Vietnam?

00:57:47.800 Well, you know, we're going to do some precision limited strikes here, and we're not going to go

00:57:51.480 total warfare, and we're going to lose. Whereas World War II, total spectrum warfare, whatever

00:57:58.240 it takes, we do. So that's what the soft approach is, is we're going to do a precision strike. Hey,

00:58:04.420 a precision a precision strike tucker's never won a war by the way it won't let's do a precision

00:58:11.280 strike there in maryland they did that last week they got some good apprehensions as those ice

00:58:15.200 agents are the greatest love them they're like border patrol age of patriots but that'll never

00:58:21.140 win 105 million illegal aliens you have to do something else you're not going to put handcuffs

00:58:27.500 on 105 million people we only got two years left to do that by the way you need to encourage

00:58:33.480 and mandate those self-deportations

00:58:37.020 and those large-scale efforts that it's going to take,

00:58:41.480 it won't be neat, clean, and easy.

00:58:43.720 Of course it's not.

00:58:44.520 We never said it would be.

00:58:46.080 That's what you have to do.

00:58:47.500 A soft approach is the opposite of that.

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00:59:25.200 Why not just enforce ID laws?

00:59:29.160 like we have ai so like how does anybody have a fake social security card or a fake driver's 0.58

00:59:33.920 license and yet millions tens of millions of people do i i don't think i could get away with

00:59:40.480 that how were they allowed to get away with dsp double standard phenomenon it is alive and well

00:59:46.220 in this country um it it's one of those unenforced but if you had a fake social security card and

00:59:54.360 tried to open a bank account i think you'd risk jail for that right no absolutely absolutely you

01:00:00.680 bet but who's gonna go after an illegal alien for that when i don't know the trump administration

01:00:06.720 wasn't just elected to do this didn't he get the majority of the popular vote to do this

01:00:10.380 yes absolutely that's not violent you're not shooting anybody it's like you can't use fake

01:00:14.700 federal documents i'm not allowed to use fake federal no i'm serious like why is that how can

01:00:19.000 you get on an airplane if you're here illegally i mean they facial recognition at the freaking

01:00:24.420 airport like we're all totally monitored at all times so if you've got 105 illegal aliens in your

01:00:29.400 country someone wants them there someone in power like donald trump or whomever is making these 0.93

01:00:33.820 decisions like what is this yes what is this it's a farce it is a farce it's a farce it's a slap in

01:00:41.160 the face and you know it's uh but we can still win it here's the thing though we can still win

01:00:48.240 this well you've got two years because the second i mean democrats are about to take power in two

01:00:53.520 months and at that point the chances that and you know you think republicans gonna win in 2028 i

01:01:00.140 mean after this war in iran no so you're gonna they're all gonna be legalized that's it and then

01:01:05.120 you're just it's a totally different country done you're if that happens done every america how is

01:01:09.620 that not gonna happen well we can still do it we can still do it look we've proof concepted

01:01:16.860 how to do this in the in the interior when the u.s border patrol leading efforts in the we the

01:01:23.840 proof concepts there it's just on a much larger scale it's also bringing ma and pa america into

01:01:30.420 the fight bringing the taxpayer into the fight remember that was something in our strategy that

01:01:36.400 was well in motion you've got to bring them into the fight everyday citizens like a victory garden

01:01:43.000 in world war ii we're going to do our part but they think they've already won they've been told

01:01:48.240 by the administration and fox news that you know that this is the upside of trump all the downsides

01:01:53.440 it's the upside you got what you wanted immigration yeah well i'm here to say um sorely mistaken and

01:02:00.260 uh absolutely not um you've got you've got not you scratch the surface but look around you

01:02:07.800 look around and see what that's like out on the streets look at what look at what our african

01:02:13.940 americans are facing in those cities i get so many calls for from conservative blacks saying

01:02:19.460 you did please come back to chicago or la or wherever because that was the only first and

01:02:27.040 only time that our community is really truly had any assistance from from from anybody they're no

01:02:35.040 no one in charge cares about black people they don't absolutely their schools have been destroyed 0.95

01:02:38.580 the murder rates out of control they're being replaced by illegal aliens and literally nobody 0.99

01:02:42.460 cares nobody nobody cares and their families have been here for 350 years and nobody cares 0.93

01:02:46.960 nobody gives a damn nobody gives a damn about that but you know what i'll tell you pritzer

01:02:50.260 governor pritzer there in in illinois he had he once we started in fourth ward and some of those

01:02:57.160 wards and the black folks came out and were supporting us you could tell they were getting

01:03:02.260 a little edgy they were like uh-oh hey they're on to something you know and what a great what a 0.98

01:03:07.880 great story for a homin or a rodney scott if they're going to sit back in a safe seat in dc 0.87

01:03:15.780 to talk about silence silence your own citizens coming out in force to support

01:03:23.420 the u.s border patrol of all people of all people and what a story what a miss what a miss by that

01:03:31.600 bunch of gate guards unbelievable who are who are the gate guards uh two of them there i've

01:03:36.620 mentioned yeah two fantastic ones they're like they're fantastic um at guarding the gate at

01:03:41.740 guarding the gate guarding that information you bet i think if trump knew what you and i were

01:03:46.140 talking about you know i think if you or i could sit across from him and say here's the real deal

01:03:52.380 that you haven't been getting i think he might you know what i think he would actually reverse

01:03:59.480 course because and the reason i say this is look at what we did that first year once we started hey

01:04:05.460 we got calls from trump he called the border patrol he called us man you guys are doing great 0.99

01:04:10.060 kick their ass we've got your back kick butt we're gonna take this thing he said that gate guards 0.99

01:04:18.140 come in you know so i think caesar was probably up against that uh they're many thousands of years 1.00

01:04:24.140 ago same thing you can see the the jackals and the heinous they always come in nip at the nip at the

01:04:31.260 the the tendons and i think that's what happened i think that if he was to hear what was really

01:04:36.300 going on hear what americans are thinking and saying hearing these young people out there and

01:04:41.740 then hearing some of the conspiracies that have actually taken place under his watch by those

01:04:46.800 individuals he'd be like wow wait a second like what well you know uh surrender in minnesota you

01:04:53.780 You know, people say, hey, Bufina, you retired.

01:04:58.160 I did.

01:04:59.520 I retired.

01:05:00.780 That neat, clean, and easy.

01:05:01.920 I was just a little tired and decided to retire.

01:05:04.280 Hey, Tucker, I got some gas in the tank.

01:05:06.520 There's a retirement there.

01:05:07.760 If they want you gone, if those gate guards want you gone,

01:05:10.960 better watch out.

01:05:11.980 They'll come for you.

01:05:13.340 They will come for you.

01:05:14.720 They'll come for your retirement.

01:05:15.520 They'll come for everything.

01:05:17.840 Did that happen to you?

01:05:19.220 Absolutely.

01:05:19.640 Every bit of the way.

01:05:20.500 Every bit of the way.

01:05:21.140 you know when you play a hard game you can expect hard treatments i get that but not a two-front

01:05:27.660 war hard treatment should be me and the criminals not the two-front war with me and the folks that

01:05:34.200 are supposedly your friends you know the minute i get the minute i the minute i left security

01:05:41.100 detail gets pulled i'm that one of the highest if not the highest threats in dhs death threats i

01:05:47.180 I mean, you name it, man, they're coming.

01:05:49.540 Hey, take that guy's security detail.

01:05:51.660 We're going to shut that guy up.

01:05:53.720 Stroke of midnight came.

01:05:55.440 Those Border Patrol agents refused to leave my house.

01:05:59.160 And I had to direct order.

01:06:01.060 Hey, no, you're leaving because I'm not in the Border Patrol anymore.

01:06:06.060 And you know what?

01:06:07.340 I knew this.

01:06:08.080 I didn't say that to them.

01:06:09.020 They'll come for you also.

01:06:10.920 They'll come for you also.

01:06:13.120 So the administration.

01:06:14.380 Yeah, absolutely.

01:06:15.160 Yes, you bet.

01:06:17.180 But Anthony Fauci still has federal security.

01:06:21.800 We're paying Anthony Fauci's security detail.

01:06:23.920 He doesn't work for the government anymore.

01:06:25.060 He spent the whole life on the federal teat.

01:06:28.660 And he still has Secret Service protection.

01:06:32.020 Anthony Fauci, who committed crimes,

01:06:36.140 but you don't because the administration

01:06:38.140 didn't want you to have security?

01:06:40.900 Why?

01:06:41.760 I think to silence me because... 0.99

01:06:43.720 Silence you like get you killed? 0.99

01:06:44.600 Because that's what it sounds like. 0.87

01:06:45.600 do i think they want me dead at this point yes i'm in a running battle every time i go out i mean

01:06:51.700 every time the citizens of my own community are like what is going on with you these people come 0.68

01:06:57.620 there's some crazies out there you know you know this tucker and you bet do i think they want me 0.96

01:07:02.260 killed absolutely you know the administration yeah absolutely or or more of the gate guards i don't 0.94

01:07:08.080 think trump would i think if trump knew what they had done and what they would do to border patrol

01:07:13.020 agents or ICE officers or anyone that disagrees with them I think he would have an absolute 0.58

01:07:18.540 panic attack or a heart attack over something but you think Homan wants you gone dead I think

01:07:24.460 Rodney Scott he's the one that took my security detail away with with Homan there yeah absolutely

01:07:28.340 you bet why uh you know that's a pretty heavy thing to say and if I wasn't from Washington I

01:07:34.800 probably wouldn't believe you but I do believe you since I am sure well you know I wouldn't

01:07:39.040 believed it either but um with what was coming at me the minute i retired i thought well yeah

01:07:45.600 i'll probably get some security there you know they're coming after other family members as well

01:07:51.340 your family members absolutely through the mail uh there was one point where the fbi had to

01:07:56.740 intercept every single piece of mail because there were some bad things coming in the mail that kind

01:08:01.980 of thing and just the vast amount of death threats i got doxxed yesterday by wbtv channel three in

01:08:08.540 charlotte north carolina and in what way uh trying to name home addresses they got actually

01:08:15.540 oh yes yes you bet now i've got a different address with my girlfriend out out at a different

01:08:21.560 place but they did do that and when that happens over and over and over what can you name the

01:08:27.960 channel again a wbtv channel three why would it be part of the news gathering process to put your

01:08:35.580 home address on a tv channel you know i think that uh that's something that we saw in those cities

01:08:44.400 with an absolute out of control uh so-called news media they're not a news media when they

01:08:51.320 do things like they're not a news media they're a a propaganda arm they're an enforcement arm at

01:08:57.340 that point an intimidation arm you bet but the only problem is i'm not i'm not intimidated i

01:09:02.580 wouldn't be here talking to you uh hey they tried to take my legal representation away or probably

01:09:07.160 already who did uh that was homing in the gate guards your legal representation in other words

01:09:12.920 if you're sued for actions taken in your official capacity at border patrol you don't get legal

01:09:22.220 representation it was supposed to absolutely if it was under the performance of your duties under

01:09:26.220 the color of law yeah and you weren't doing something illegal right yeah then absolutely

01:09:30.960 every minute of the day but um apparently others don't see it that way how do you know that you

01:09:36.240 know i got a call from a another border patrol chief a retired chief who got a call from them

01:09:40.720 saying hey if you don't stop we're taking it away stop what stop coming on tucker carlson

01:09:48.540 pointing out that there's still 105 million illegal aliens in the country you bet and um

01:09:53.600 Ben did that?

01:09:56.160 His people.

01:09:57.380 Yeah, I can't say he did.

01:09:58.520 His people, yes.

01:10:00.380 You bet.

01:10:02.520 Again, I've interviewed the guy a number of times.

01:10:04.660 I hope he'll come back.

01:10:05.440 I'd love to ask him about this.

01:10:06.880 Absolutely.

01:10:07.800 Yeah, maybe that would...

01:10:09.500 Hell, I'd like to ask him about it.

01:10:11.560 Have you talked to him since you left?

01:10:12.820 No.

01:10:14.220 So I'd love to put a finer point.

01:10:15.980 I mean, first of all, what you said is shocking.

01:10:17.880 Everything you've said is shocking.

01:10:20.680 And really, really distressing.

01:10:22.080 and dark. If you think Homan and this other guy want you dead, I mean, that's like,

01:10:27.400 that's unbelievable. Proof's in the pudding. I think that's fair. But why? I'd love to know

01:10:33.440 a little more precisely why they're so mad at you. I think when we have big labor, or I'm sorry,

01:10:40.860 cheap labor politicians who are a very powerful force. I didn't realize they were this power,

01:10:46.180 very powerful force um that puts a lot of pressure on some individuals and some individuals may

01:10:53.520 maybe they want the lucrative contracts also i don't know i can't say that for sure but there's

01:10:59.000 something there behind the scenes that causes that to happen it doesn't just happen just for

01:11:03.360 the hell of a let's have bovino dead but not because voters want it voters wanted to get back

01:11:09.340 to the sort of pre-lunatic american population they don't want to live in a crowded poor country 0.90

01:11:15.400 who wants that nobody wants to live in bangladesh so like this is nuts and that's what voters wanted 0.55

01:11:19.680 that's why they elected trump that and no new foreign wars and then the donors convinced trump

01:11:24.180 to fight a foreign war that voters did not want and it sounds like don't don't donors also push

01:11:31.900 trump to stop immigration enforcement yes you think that's true i do absolutely you bet um i mean look

01:11:38.280 at some of the the politicians that came out against me or christine um specifically after

01:11:43.820 the surrender in minnesota the kennedys at a at louisiana mccall representative mccall out of

01:11:50.360 texas mike mccall yes why would they say those things like what did mccall say i believe he said

01:11:56.960 that we were um out of control and too aggressive something like that do you find it interesting so

01:12:03.620 mccall is is a a tool of the intel agencies i happen to know and i and i mean that and i hope

01:12:10.480 he'll come on and explain how i'm wrong but he knows i'm not wrong because i've talked to him

01:12:13.200 about it directly but i i have noticed a connection between the people who are like

01:12:18.040 not very loyal to the united states and very into fighting wars on behalf of other nations

01:12:24.280 they're also very against immigration enforcement i've noticed that have you noticed that i have

01:12:29.440 and some of the people i and i've noticed that over my career some people that i would think

01:12:32.980 oh they're going to be good on immigration the worst i remember when when bush was elected

01:12:37.840 we were rejoicing in the patrol we thought oh man this is going to be great he was just as bad as

01:12:42.080 bill re clinton or worse of course worse again the two-front war stabbing you in the back while

01:12:48.620 you're out fighting bad guys same thing now except worse even worse than but bush was this very much

01:12:54.600 like this administration you know spent all of its time all of its our money all of their energy

01:13:00.040 fighting a war in the middle east and then they're for changing the american population

01:13:05.320 with illegal immigration at the same time it's so weird i don't understand the connection all

01:13:10.300 of it is bad for america maybe that's the connection um tucker this is in my opinion of

01:13:16.020 course the greatest issue and greatest threat that our nation has faced since its founding

01:13:21.560 and i'm including the civil war in that i think the civil war is child's play compared to what 0.62

01:13:26.620 we're facing now because this ends it all 105 million illegal aliens get amnesty and start

01:13:34.600 voting which it appears that uh you know the the thom tillis tom tillises uh the mccalls and the

01:13:41.100 rest of that gang want that um when they start voting everything's gone if you think your second

01:13:47.520 amendment gets gone that second amendment's gone everything's gone everything that you hold dear

01:13:51.700 your culture your values traditions everything they don't care you know tucker they don't care

01:13:56.660 about your history nor the americans american history because that which is robert heineland

01:14:01.900 said it the best. He wrote Starship Troopers. That which is given has no value. That which is given

01:14:08.240 has no value. When we just gave them citizenship, they will hate you for that. They'll abhor you for 0.97

01:14:15.940 that. They do abhor us for that. You can already see it. The entitlement mentality, it's not an

01:14:20.880 entitlement. They just hate Americans because we're stupid enough to do it. And when you give 1.00

01:14:26.960 someone something like that, they don't care if your granddad died at Iwo Jima, or your great-great-great-granddad

01:14:33.760 at Gettysburg, or maybe you had an ancestor that was a founding father. They could give a damn

01:14:38.520 about that. They don't care. When that ceases to be a reality here in our country, and you're in my 0.97

01:14:45.760 country, you're done. Right now, we're at the precipice of either solving or bowing down to

01:14:55.560 greatest threat that we have ever faced since the founding i strongly agree with that um

01:15:04.280 it seems very obvious and that's why there's so little national cohesion 1.00

01:15:09.560 um the upside however for the people in charge is an immigrant population is much easier to control 1.00

01:15:16.200 they don't believe that the bill of rights is real or applies to them they don't have 1.00

01:15:20.120 natural rights they don't no one told them what that is so you can kind of do whatever you want

01:15:24.440 to them and call yourself the hero of the story and you see it with rich people and their

01:15:29.100 housekeepers who all secretly hate them but they're totally convinced that you know catalina 1.00

01:15:34.240 loves me i'm the hero to her uh there is a kind of psychology the rich white lady psychology around

01:15:41.760 this question the democratic plantation owners the new plantation owners and um that's the way

01:15:47.320 they even act like it these elitists these fringe left liberal socialists act like that

01:15:51.780 uh like plantation owners oh i know uh it's it's absolutely amazing the way what they do and you 0.91

01:15:58.400 talk about racist holy cow they're the worst yep yeah no they i've seen it so much

01:16:06.300 so how did when christine home left was forced out uh and then replaced by one of the slowest 0.94

01:16:17.040 famously one of the slowest but certainly one of the most liberal members of the united states

01:16:21.360 senate mark wayne mullen which he is he's extremely liberal and because he's from oklahoma like nobody

01:16:26.800 seems to get that but he is particularly in immigration and foreign policy i mean it's like

01:16:32.640 giving it to lindsey graham how did that why would you put mark wayne mullen a liberal a kamala harris

01:16:40.000 liberal in that role exactly i think when we talk about those donors that donor class yeah getting

01:16:48.160 someone confirmed why would you not put a liberal and you're going to get enough votes from the

01:16:53.160 crazy democrats uh and then you're going to get the support from the big labor rhinos

01:16:59.680 just like they did with commissioner rodney scott he sailed through the confirmation 0.78

01:17:03.780 folks you know what he's bringing back biden era individuals into cbp right now as we speak

01:17:10.100 the ones that let the 30 million in actually yo you bet yes does the white house know this

01:17:16.240 you know i don't think i again i think the gate guards keep it so guarded i don't think we're

01:17:21.080 steven miller i thought he was this big i don't know hey stevie you bet you got some work to do

01:17:24.800 there buddy got some work to do there stevie but um i'm just confused because wasn't this the issue

01:17:31.180 that defined them yes yes it was so that's how that's how someone like a uh a mark mullen

01:17:40.900 is put into a position like that there are a certain class of people that love a mullin hey

01:17:48.180 you know mullin what is he listening to he's listening to tom holman rodney scott worst of

01:17:53.300 the worst and targeting that's really all he can that's all he can regurgitate and so that

01:17:57.800 for people who haven't heard that talking point that means we're going after the really bad ones 0.82

01:18:03.380 they're really bad ones worse the criminal aliens the terrorists child molesters you know

01:18:08.960 folks that are committed murder whatever the worst of the worst people have criticized his 1.00

01:18:13.000 drill stuff like that really the really bad the ones who deserve the death penalty

01:18:17.060 and and i will say that that is the opposite of what we should be doing that is not a threat to

01:18:24.320 your nation let me say this again a lot of people think i'm crazy that's not the threat to your 0.93

01:18:30.540 nation is the worst of the worst the threat to your nation is your run-of-the-mill illegal alien 1.00

01:18:35.420 that we've just said the 105 million that don't share your cultures your values that don't care 1.00

01:18:42.260 about anything related to america that have been given that that want to be given citizenship

01:18:49.000 that's far more of a threat hey we can get those criminal aliens anytime that record's not going

01:18:54.460 away uh we can get them anytime anytime right now we've got that window to get that regular run of

01:19:03.120 the mill illegal alien maybe a landscaper maybe he doesn't have a criminal record in the u.s even

01:19:07.540 though he's still a criminal because he crossed the border illegally they're all criminals uh he

01:19:11.200 probably does have a criminal record in a foreign country that we won't know about but that is far

01:19:15.740 more of a threat to you me and our values than an ms-13 gang well it's certainly a threat to our

01:19:23.240 justice system because i i'm like why should i obey the law why am i going why do i have a seat

01:19:27.900 alarm in my car constantly getting lectured about everything all the time from everybody in

01:19:33.760 authority 18 a pack cigarettes just like an unaffordable life and a legal code that you

01:19:42.320 have to hire a lawyer to understand whether you're in compliance and you better know whether you're

01:19:45.980 in compliance because you go to jail or get fined if you're not and then 105 million people get to

01:19:51.640 just like give the finger to the u.s code and nobody does anything about it it's like why am

01:19:56.440 biobang the law like what why does that make sense not a lick of sense but what it is is

01:20:04.640 it's a litmus test the litmus test took place over this past year with that interior enforcement

01:20:10.720 campaign hey you know what we don't agree with that law we don't agree with the immigration

01:20:15.600 laws that are enshrined in the INA the Immigration and Nationality Act and those court decisions and

01:20:20.360 and the constitution and everything we don't agree with that sir we're gonna riot and we're

01:20:26.480 gonna martyr whatever we've got to do because we don't agree with that law that's a litmus test

01:20:30.360 because if you don't agree with an immigration law and do away with it do away with the border

01:20:35.060 patrol surrender you can do that with anything you can do that with any law there's not just

01:20:41.100 that it's just mob rules mob exactly the most violent group gets to do whatever it wants it

01:20:45.780 does. You and me will pay the price if we do something right now. You're right. They'll be

01:20:50.300 on us in an instant. But the 105 million, not so much. Back to the natural resources. I've 0.77

01:20:57.300 interviewed many game wardens throughout the 50 states. And they said, you know, a lot of times

01:21:02.820 we won't even write an illegal alien because one, we don't know who he is. We don't know who this

01:21:07.840 person is. Or if we do, he beats us out of court. He walks out of the courtroom before we even do.

01:21:14.140 nothing happens i'm not going to waste my time doing that now you or me uh we do something you're

01:21:20.040 done you're done and um oh yeah you're done and try shooting a rough grouse on a sunday in the

01:21:28.920 state of maine yeah as a as a legal resident yes yeah now i know um but gill net a hundred fish is

01:21:37.560 an illegal alien that hat that's what they're doing now because they see our natural resources

01:21:41.320 is something for them not something to conserve preserve or conserve gill net gill net they'll

01:21:48.040 just throw a gill net in the water i you know during this when i was writing this research

01:21:51.720 paper i was abhorred actually what was happening they'll gill net fish catch 50 of them when you

01:21:57.260 actually gill net fish yes and you or me our limit may be two or three or whatever the limit is i

01:22:03.360 don't kill any fish and i think i might shoot someone for gill netting like that's i mean i

01:22:07.140 That's immoral, and I'm not for shooting anybody. 0.97

01:22:09.780 But I would be tempted to shoot someone for gillnetting. 0.96

01:22:12.120 That is so outrageous. 0.99

01:22:13.740 It is.

01:22:14.560 Happens all the time.

01:22:15.640 Seriously?

01:22:16.360 Yes.

01:22:17.340 Yes.

01:22:17.840 You know, I wish I'd brought my paper.

01:22:19.960 I'll send you a copy of my paper.

01:22:21.240 I don't want to read it.

01:22:22.280 I'm so upset just hearing it.

01:22:23.640 All facets of our conservation effort are under siege.

01:22:28.480 All facets.

01:22:29.640 Like destroying God's creation in our country.

01:22:32.240 Yes, and destroying our sustainable resources.

01:22:34.980 You know, we're sportsmen, sportsmen, sportswomen, because we have a sustainable system of producing this.

01:22:41.700 But you know what?

01:22:42.180 Tell me about it. 0.98

01:22:42.740 Do you think that the third world gives a crap about that? 1.00

01:22:46.100 No, because they don't do it in their countries. 1.00

01:22:48.160 So they come here, see ours.

01:22:49.460 They don't have to obviously pay attention to our laws.

01:22:51.240 What's the Trump administration doing to fix the problem you're describing right now? 0.83

01:22:56.560 They're letting illegal aliens go during operations.

01:22:59.100 they let 20 go in north carolina three weeks ago three weeks ago last sunday uh on one of our wild

01:23:07.040 and scenic rivers they i think they apprehended 10 they allowed 20 to walk in one of those wild

01:23:14.540 and scenic areas in which resources were being destroyed are you serious yes absolutely i tweeted

01:23:20.260 about it or xed about it or whatever that is tweeted about it and they said their systems

01:23:24.740 were down their computer systems around probably these individuals were not single male adults and

01:23:30.100 would have been a little harder to remove or they would have had to um put females in detention and

01:23:35.220 apparently you know you can't do that if you're an illegal alien female why do people go to 1.00

01:23:38.740 detention why don't they just bring them to the border of mexico where they all came from exactly 1.00

01:23:43.320 or fly them right from the spot exactly i agree or put them on a big container ship and drive them

01:23:48.560 across the ocean whatever you need to do yes but they allowed 20 to walk they won't answer that

01:23:53.080 question. I posed that question, put it up on my ex account. No wonder they want to kill you.

01:23:57.600 Probably so. Yep. I think that if they could or not them, but if it happened, I don't think 1.00

01:24:05.660 they'd be too safe. So how exactly you said you didn't retire, you got fired. How did that work?

01:24:11.260 You know, after Minnesota, I returned to my sector and that was the El Centro sector. We

01:24:17.780 call that the premier sector in the U.S. border. I've got to give a plug to those folks out there,

01:24:21.160 the premier sector central california yes uh that was the sector under biden east of san diego

01:24:26.280 between san diego and yuma arizona yeah it's a tough tough place rough place but hotter the fire

01:24:34.040 harder the metal that was your interior staff out of the el centro sector those folks controlled

01:24:41.640 our part of the border under biden you know we didn't uh prescribed a throughput and decompression

01:24:46.840 that was push as many in as you can well we didn't disobey orders tucker we it was through

01:24:52.860 pit and decompression the other way back into mexico and guess what happened nobody wanted 1.00

01:24:58.220 across the border in el centro we smashed them including the red chinese and anybody else that 1.00

01:25:04.300 came across the border so anyway uh i get back to el centro right after minnesota and the

01:25:11.440 investigations begin and i'm thinking what are you people doing investigations of what uh the

01:25:19.240 first one that came down the bike was you might remember the chicago judge said that i lied in a

01:25:24.760 courtroom that's death for a law enforcement officer to lie that's you're done that's lack

01:25:31.540 of candor yeah they'll get you every time on that as they should you shouldn't lie well i didn't lie

01:25:36.440 in a courtroom by the way i'll set the record straight on that one told the truth every minute

01:25:40.160 but simply because a federal judge said that even though her entire decision was vacated

01:25:47.680 by the higher court they said what you what your whole ruling is ludicrous and you're actually 0.97

01:25:53.020 constitutionally suspect by the way which is should be death for a crazy judge but the 0.98

01:25:59.980 investigation hey you know what we're going to investigate you for lack of candor uh lying 0.76

01:26:06.240 and i'm like huh wow that that whole thing was vacated what are you talking about

01:26:12.660 doesn't matter you're getting investigated so they sent that case to something called a drb

01:26:17.580 disciplinary review board drb says you know what that's a panel of leadership within customs and

01:26:25.120 border protection that takes a look at disciplinary cases highly unusual for the commissioner to send

01:26:30.240 that case straight to a drb with no investigation the drb that review board looks at it and says

01:26:36.160 you know what? There's nothing here. We see absolutely nothing here. Send it back. Case

01:26:42.800 should be closed. Well, that commissioner says, well, you know what? Let's take another shot at

01:26:47.300 him. I'm going to weaponize internal affairs on this one. Hey, internal affairs, this guy lied,

01:26:52.640 opened an investigation on him. When it gets to that point and they start coming after you like

01:26:58.220 that, I've been in the federal government long enough to know what they're doing. They're coming

01:27:00.640 after your retirement. They're not just coming to fire. They're going to take your retirement,

01:27:04.480 your pension everything so i get a lawyer and he says you know i've never seen anything like this 0.95

01:27:11.080 before uh you better get your ass out of the federal government real quick seriously yes but 0.67

01:27:18.360 i don't run too easy and i said you know i think you know i think i'm going to fight this one 0.98

01:27:22.060 because hey it's cut and dried he goes don't you put a period on a piece of paper and they're

01:27:27.840 going to say you lied um and then the second investigation came down you may have remembered

01:27:32.920 the uh they accused me of anti-semitism i don't remember that was out of uh i think most americans

01:27:39.400 have been accused of anti-semitism yeah of course you know another one they said that uh i made some

01:27:43.840 anti-semitic comments to the u.s attorney there in in minnesota did you absolutely not uh never

01:27:51.820 i never talked to him when i made the comments i was talking to some of his staff who quit the next

01:27:57.080 day and then doxed me uh uh because they didn't agree with the way the border patrol or that the

01:28:04.000 border patrol is even in minnesota it's crazy stuff you can't believe this stuff happens well

01:28:08.460 anyway they said hey anti-semitism and the new york times ran with it what what did they say you

01:28:14.820 said they said that uh i said that the jewish people were the chosen ones but that i said it

01:28:20.000 in a very sarcastic tone i guess that must be anti-semitism you know i don't know i was uh

01:28:26.920 straight out of the uh uh bible study from oh about 1976 in north carolina hey jews chosen ones

01:28:33.820 i can say that all day long that's not anti-semitism i think it'd be the opposite

01:28:37.140 if i said that so anyway we're in the corner of george republican version of george floyd here

01:28:43.820 though where everyone is accused of some biased crime you bet except it's now anti-semitism not

01:28:48.180 racism because nobody cares about black people anymore but it's the same it's the same thing

01:28:52.100 though absolutely so i didn't even know i was under investigation for this until the new york 0.50

01:28:57.140 times informed me hey uh since you're under investigation for anti-semitism would you like

01:29:02.500 to make a comment they called me and i'm like what are you talking about my own agency didn't

01:29:07.000 even tell me it was i found that out through the new york times reporter that under investigation

01:29:11.580 for anti-semitism yes the trump administration did that to you yeah cbp well customs i don't

01:29:16.620 think trump knew about it no but it's the federal the administration administration yeah so i found

01:29:21.180 that one out and i'm like wow this is uh this is interesting this is interesting so then to make a

01:29:26.480 long story short some special agents show up at my house say we you know uh start knocking banging

01:29:32.640 on the door like what's going what what's going on here my security team says we don't know what's

01:29:37.260 going on what's going on i didn't answer the door i don't need to answer the door

01:29:40.840 they were there for my computer which i was retiring the next day they said they wanted

01:29:47.020 right that right right that minute i never talked to them they get the orders from somewhere in dc

01:29:53.980 well just go ahead and smash the guy's door in and make entry luckily the u.s border patrol was there

01:30:02.560 and said hey it's the way that thing works and they got sent packing that was what was happening

01:30:08.220 there it's time to retire you know this is so crazy i can hardly and i mean as far as i know

01:30:15.320 you didn't do anything other than believe the campaign promises the rest of us believed in

01:30:20.940 2024 and thought, okay, here's a chance to do what voters have asked their government to do.

01:30:28.060 Yeah. Hey, you know, when you're given a mission, you go hard at it and no regrets there with the

01:30:33.280 mission regrets with how I handled some of those gate guards and the administration. You know,

01:30:39.400 I would like to I think I could have taken a more active role in briefing Trump face to face on some

01:30:46.420 of this. I think that had he known and saw our strategy, what the end goal was, how Americans

01:30:53.540 were coalescing behind us, I think, all right, great job. So I could have done a better job on

01:30:59.080 that. You know, I think a lot of the individuals around here are non-border security professionals.

01:31:05.600 they have no they don't know the difference between border patrol and ice even i don't think

01:31:09.960 a lot of them even know the difference between u.s border patrol and ice think it's all ice

01:31:14.340 oh it's an ice mission vastly different what with i i never understood i mean you can tell

01:31:22.460 my views on immigration i think it's a disaster it is a disaster but i i was i never liked the

01:31:29.260 idea of any federal agent wearing some kind of narco mask on the street what was that

01:31:34.080 that was the doxing that was the fact that they would take that agent that agent's face and say

01:31:45.380 hey his mother and father live at such and such an address he and his daughter live at such and

01:31:52.060 such an address and then people start showing up within 24 hours and the reason we know that

01:32:00.320 one me i didn't wear a mask and you know man they were on me quick there were some other agents that

01:32:05.320 didn't wear a mask and it happened to them immediately i mean within hours but okay right

01:32:12.240 we also had like a mafia and all kinds of organized criminal elements in this country over centuries

01:32:18.500 which we kind of defeated so if there are organized groups threatening the families of

01:32:23.780 federal employees we should probably go after those groups go after the groups and the folks

01:32:28.220 that fund those groups you bet wholesale i don't want why is that hard why is that a hard concept

01:32:34.240 no i'm serious because then everything falls apart that's not a partisan question it's just

01:32:39.200 like the system falls apart if no one can enforce the law because of threats from criminal gangs

01:32:43.960 right absolutely and the anarchists in the streets yeah but there's never been a systematic

01:32:50.980 effort to fix any of that and i don't know why you know there was uh the the the one effort that

01:32:57.080 i saw was that u.s attorney out of the central district in california his name is bill assaley

01:33:02.040 what a patriot that man was he actually did go after those individuals in california when we

01:33:09.360 were in los angeles and you know what that did that really that really dialed down the violence

01:33:15.420 against our effort in those cities dialed the riots down dialed the the crazies down because

01:33:22.140 he was actively going after them and prosecuting them. He, he got some fantastic prosecutions.

01:33:27.480 That's been lost in, in, in, in, in, in the narrative somehow. Uh, what a success that man

01:33:34.920 was. We had the opposite in, in, in the other cities is, you know what, we're not, we're going

01:33:40.820 to wait till, till they leave and just not do anything because, you know, my gosh, this is scary

01:33:45.300 and, you know, there'd be awful, a lot of prosecutions and my gracious, but assailant

01:33:50.380 the fbi there in in central district los angeles they did a fantastic job they proof tested that

01:33:57.800 concept it can be done they did it the fbi along with uh with uh that u.s attorney they kicked

01:34:05.220 but there were a lot of other u.s attorneys that were patently against us some of them actually

01:34:10.880 got fired under the trump administration well i would hope so but you should be able to enforce

01:34:16.920 the law i mean what's the point of the system if you can't do that and by the way i do think i get

01:34:23.180 why people want to wear masks i get why they're afraid but i also feel like you seed you give up

01:34:28.480 some legitimacy when you do that like when you're enforcing the laws a federal law enforcement

01:34:32.880 officer you're standing behind laws that the congress passed elected by the people of this

01:34:38.480 country like you are the front line in a system that we all hope is legitimate if you can't show

01:34:44.940 your face in public i don't know i mean what what message are you are you sending we can't control

01:34:50.480 our own country we're not legitimate enough to defeat like domestic insurgencies against us i

01:34:57.460 like what are you saying it's such a expression of weakness i guess it freaks me out does that

01:35:02.900 make sense it does and then again why do we allow anarchy to take place in the streets in the face

01:35:11.020 of law enforcement and normalize it why is that allowed to be normalized and well only certain

01:35:16.920 kinds of anarchy allowed to be normalized the ones that the donors prefer but most people are not for

01:35:22.560 that at all and if you were to have like a mass protest against election theft or illegal immigration 0.80

01:35:28.360 it'd be shut down immediately by the same people who allow black lives matter protests to destroy

01:35:33.240 our cities yes right so it's it's it's like a selective enforcement and i think it all goes 0.99

01:35:38.600 back to the root cause, which is the richest people in the country are trying to destroy the

01:35:41.740 country. Or they don't care. Or they don't care. They want to get richer and they'll do it on the

01:35:46.980 backs of you. They'll step on the dead bodies of their citizens to get there. 100%. I wish I didn't

01:35:52.820 think that, but I do think that. Because the evidence is in, don't you think? It's getting

01:35:58.800 irrefutable at this point to have what's happening in our country take place now. I wouldn't be

01:36:05.260 speaking if you had said you're going on tucker and you're going to say what i just have said

01:36:10.060 i said you're absolutely crazy i was going to put this in the book but you know it needs to be said

01:36:14.560 now it needs to be said now if you told me when i was you know speaking on thursday night at the

01:36:20.640 republican national convention introducing trump that two years later i would be talking to a

01:36:27.400 former federal official about how he betrayed the entire country in immigration or his administration

01:36:30.920 did i'd be like i don't think that that that's not possible i mean this whole thing is so shocking

01:36:36.440 to me i can't believe it's happening yeah well you know i think it shocked a lot of americans

01:36:40.480 they thought there was so much hope out there and that's probably one of the greatest they're one of

01:36:45.760 the the most heart-rending messages i get is there was so much hope with what was happening in those

01:36:52.440 cities we watched you guys the green team every night and we we thought we're there hey we're

01:36:58.240 taking it back even Europe you know I've been going to Europe quite a bit here lately talking

01:37:03.000 to those folks with the remigration summits and and restore Britain and and that type of thing

01:37:08.240 and they they said the same thing we've got the same problem with the same solution we watched 0.61

01:37:12.920 what was happening starting in Los Angeles every night they were glued they said man there's hope

01:37:18.100 look at this this is really gonna happen and it's gonna start happening in Europe and then all of a

01:37:22.500 sudden, lights out. The light switch was turned off and it all ground to a halt. All that hope

01:37:29.600 ground to a halt. And, you know, it's shocking. You just said, you're shocked. I'm shocked.

01:37:36.260 I would never have thought that would have happened. You know, the momentum was building

01:37:40.080 and then the light switch went out. We went into darkness. What do you think happens next?

01:37:47.060 i have great faith in american exceptionalism um people like tucker carlson people like these young

01:37:55.260 conservatives as young people you're i think you're going to start seeing a lot of young people

01:38:00.360 in campuses and throughout the united states standing up saying wait a second we've had enough

01:38:07.220 we want the story of america back we want to make the story of america we want to know what america's

01:38:12.820 like we're done with this and i think there's going to be a lot of pressure put on the donor

01:38:18.180 class on president trump and many of these and the feckless bureaucrats that i've just talked

01:38:23.480 about those gate guards those worthless gate guards and you know i'm always an optimist i'm

01:38:30.160 always an optimist never be a defeatist we've been up against some dark times before in this nation

01:38:35.500 maybe not this dark but we have and we always came through i think that you or i wouldn't be

01:38:41.340 talking if if we thought it was done you know i think that uh despair is for those who see the

01:38:47.940 end beyond any doubt i'm not in despair yet but we're rapidly that window's closing and i think

01:38:57.260 that as long as we're uh uh talking about this and that people care and that there's still enough

01:39:04.480 americans here ready to do what it takes we can write the ship we can do it maybe it takes off

01:39:10.340 tomorrow that spark has to be lit hope you light the spark tucker greg bovino thank you very much

01:39:16.640 for doing this i appreciate it pleasure has been mine sir boy you upset me

The Tucker Carlson Show - August 27, 2026

Trump Becomes the Very Thing He Swore to Destroy. And It Might Cost Us Our Country.

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