The Tucker Carlson Show - Trump Puts Bibi in His Place & Neocon Heads Implode Over Peace in Iran. Tucker & Piers Morgan React.

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00:00:30.000 In your mind's eye, you imagine the American empire ending someday, probably in like a conflagration, in some sort of conflict with another great power.

00:00:40.040 And if you had to pick one, you would imagine the end might come in a dispute over Taiwan, formerly Formosa, the island off mainland China that China considers part of its country.

00:00:52.500 There's been a dispute about this for almost 80 years.

00:00:56.220 and the United States has sort of informally suggested

00:01:00.000 that it would defend Taiwan's sovereignty

00:01:01.860 and periodically that part of the world,

00:01:05.880 South China Sea, pops into the news

00:01:08.000 and you think, wow, that could be a big deal

00:01:09.600 if we actually had a war with China

00:01:11.700 because every year they get stronger.

00:01:13.820 They now have a bigger economy than ours.

00:01:15.360 And you can kind of imagine

00:01:16.500 some reckless American leader

00:01:19.140 destroying American power over Taiwan. 0.72

00:01:24.040 But you probably never imagined that the end of American empire would come in a little over a hundred day conflict with a little rogue state on the Persian Gulf that has the 34th largest economy in the world, a country called Iran, which generations of Americans have been raised to believe is crazy and dangerous, but basically irrelevant and certainly not civilized and in no way capable of affecting America's place in the world. 0.69

00:01:54.040 in the global hierarchy. 0.58

00:01:55.480 You just couldn't imagine that would happen.

00:01:58.040 But something like that apparently has happened,

00:02:00.640 and we know because we now have the text of the MOU,

00:02:04.160 the Memorandum of Understanding between the United States and Iran

00:02:08.600 that, unless something happens, is going to be signed in two days,

00:02:11.800 this Friday, in Switzerland by both countries.

00:02:14.720 Now, versions of this have been circulating for the past three days.

00:02:19.960 And earlier today, apparently on background,

00:02:22.640 members of the Trump administration read the 14 points in the MOU to a bunch of different

00:02:27.860 reporters at a bunch of different news organizations. They immediately appeared

00:02:30.900 online and you read this and you think that can't really be real. And then within the last hour,

00:02:36.900 sources in Iran released their version of the MOU. And it turns out to be identical to the one

00:02:42.640 that members of the administration, these unnamed officials gave to American reporters. So both

00:02:48.280 countries releasing the same text of the agreement. Therefore, you can't be certain

00:02:53.260 really of anything, but you can be highly persuaded. You can consider it overwhelmingly

00:02:58.220 likely that this document is real. At least as of right now, this MOU is real. 14 points

00:03:03.040 to be signed on Friday. It's pretty short and it's worth reading at least in part because it

00:03:09.700 tells you everything, not just about how this war might end. It's not ended yet, but how it could

00:03:14.940 end, but it tells you even more about the relative place of the United States and Iran in the global

00:03:19.580 order going forward. And it's really kind of an amazing document. And to get right to the point,

00:03:24.240 you can see why neocons are upset. I mean, they have cause to be upset. Not taking their side,

00:03:29.540 but just being honest here. Wow. Here's part of what it says. Paragraph one. The United States

00:03:35.000 of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war, by signing this

00:03:40.500 MOU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts,

00:03:45.440 including Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military

00:03:51.220 operation against each other and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each

00:03:55.660 other and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon.

00:04:02.020 The final deal will confirm with the permanent termination of war on all fronts, including

00:04:08.500 in Lebanon.

00:04:10.500 Okay, so that's the first paragraph of the agreement. Israel is not mentioned, but Lebanon is mentioned three times. Lebanon? What does Lebanon have to do with this war? Well, strictly speaking, nothing. And when it began on February 28th, we were told by the administration this was purely about disarming Iran and preventing this rogue terror state from getting a nuclear weapon, which would be prima facie, a threat to the world.

00:04:33.680 but very shortly after this war commenced Israel decided oh wait we're going to take this 0.68

00:04:40.840 opportunity not to achieve the goals that they convinced President Trump to tell our nation

00:04:45.900 about but instead to do something we've wanted to do for a long time which is steal southern Lebanon

00:04:50.300 and so very shortly after this war began Israel started a new war with American weapons paid for

00:04:57.820 by American taxpayers designed to take land from Lebanon,

00:05:02.040 all the land south of the Latani River,

00:05:04.280 which kind of bisects the country diagonally,

00:05:06.840 and then starts hitting Beirut on the Mediterranean,

00:05:10.600 an ancient and beautiful city,

00:05:13.120 maybe the most beautiful city in the world.

00:05:14.400 And Israeli warplanes started blowing up civilians

00:05:18.380 in the middle of Beirut,

00:05:19.700 while the United States was occupied, tied down really, 0.97

00:05:24.540 both fighting this war that Israel inspired

00:05:27.940 We followed Israel's lead into the war, according to the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio,

00:05:32.620 and tied up defending mainland Israel from the response to that war from Iran. 0.84

00:05:37.860 And Israel takes this opportunity to use our money to start a new war to steal land. 0.58

00:05:43.260 So this agreement addresses that in the very first paragraph. 0.71

00:05:48.380 So while a lot of people in America didn't even notice what was happening, Iran focused on it.

00:05:52.360 And so in order to get everything else that follows in this agreement, 0.60

00:05:55.200 The United States will have to restrain Israel, pull back from Lebanon, stop killing civilians in Lebanon, and give back the land that you stole while the rest of us were paying attention to the Iran war. 0.66

00:06:09.320 Wow, that's the first paragraph. 0.66

00:06:11.420 And apparently the U.S. is going to sign this.

00:06:13.800 Paragraph two, the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran undertake to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity and to refrain from interfering in one another's affairs.

00:06:25.200 internal affairs. Why is this significant? Well, because the United States is addressing the

00:06:32.540 Islamic Republic of Iran not as a rogue terror state, the Third Reich reconstituted in the

00:06:39.080 Middle East, but as a normal country. In fact, as a powerful sovereign country whose internal

00:06:45.140 affairs will be, as a matter of record and agreement treaty, unmolested. Because you don't

00:06:51.860 interfere in the internal affairs in powerful countries. And so basically this is acknowledging

00:07:01.600 paragraph two, before we even get to the straight and four moves and the nuclear program and all

00:07:05.320 the rest, this document is acknowledging that Iran is not a rogue terror state. Iran is a

00:07:10.560 sovereign nation, in fact, a great power because it's negotiating with the world's greatest power,

00:07:14.740 the United States. And the United States is acknowledging that, hey, you have a right to

00:07:18.480 run your country as you like. And so that means almost 50 years of watching reports on television

00:07:25.560 about how Iran is an out-of-control theocracy that murders gays for being gay and prevents women from 0.98

00:07:30.420 getting educated or whatever they've been telling you. We're okay with that now because you're a 1.00

00:07:35.500 great power. And if you want to throw gays off buildings, it's not really our business. 0.97

00:07:40.960 Well, that's quite a change, whatever you think of it. Paragraph four, immediately upon signing

00:07:46.060 this MOU, the United States of America will begin the removal of its naval blockade and any

00:07:50.720 disturbances or impediments against the Islamic Republic of Iran and will fully end the naval

00:07:56.420 blockade within 30 days. Retreat. Pull your troops out. Get your warships out of this area.

00:08:04.360 Stop hassling us. That's not a victory. That's a surrender. That's retreat. It's pullback.

00:08:11.720 Just a fact, whether you like it or not. And to be clear, this is better than the alternative,

00:08:15.480 of not complaining about it,

00:08:16.240 just noting that, wow,

00:08:18.480 this is not unconditional surrender

00:08:21.420 by Iran, hardly.

00:08:25.120 Paragraph five,

00:08:26.400 upon signing this memorandum

00:08:28.480 of understanding,

00:08:29.200 the Islamic Republic of Iran

00:08:30.440 will make arrangements

00:08:31.300 using its best efforts

00:08:32.520 for the safe passage

00:08:33.440 of commercial vessels

00:08:34.440 with no charge

00:08:35.580 for 60 days only

00:08:37.220 from the Persian Gulf

00:08:38.680 to the Sea of Oman

00:08:39.640 and vice versa.

00:08:41.880 In other words,

00:08:42.640 they're going to open

00:08:43.300 the Strait of Hormuz

00:08:44.020 and not charge anybody

00:08:45.320 anything for a month. And at that point, we'll talk. But Iran's going to talk not to the United

00:08:50.000 States, but to the Sultanate of Oman, which would be the country directly across the strait to the

00:08:56.360 south, the oldest monarchy in the world. Iran and Oman will determine the terms on which shipping

00:09:06.700 flows through the strait. Because after all, they're the two countries on either side, the

00:09:13.540 north and south sides of the straits. So like it would be up to them. You know, it's not up to the 0.64

00:09:17.200 United States, which has effectively controlled the Persian Gulf for your entire life. But not

00:09:23.800 anymore. Now it's up to Iran and Oman and their allies or regional partners. The other five GCC

00:09:31.680 countries, maybe Iraq at the western end, who knows, but not the United States. And by the way,

00:09:37.920 Not China or Russia either, but the two countries whose territory touches the Strait of Hormuz, 0.60

00:09:44.840 they're in charge now.

00:09:46.520 And by in charge, that means in charge of, in effect, the Persian Gulf.

00:09:51.260 Because the overwhelming majority of the commodities, mostly oil and gas, but not just oil and gas,

00:09:56.740 fertilizer, sulfur, the rest that you've heard so much about for the last hundred days,

00:10:00.780 flow through that strait.

00:10:01.740 and so iran is now at least an equal partner with oman in determining how much it's going to cost

00:10:08.760 the rest of the world to get their commodities out of the persian gulf

00:10:11.980 how much oil producing gas producing nations will pay to get their commodities out of the

00:10:19.540 persian gulf iran that was not true on february 27th apparently it's going to be true into the

00:10:24.360 future so that power the power to determine who gets their commodities out of the most

00:10:31.180 energy-dense region on the planet, by definition, makes you into a major player, if not a regional

00:10:37.640 hegemon. You're certainly a big deal. People can't dismiss you as a rogue terror state at that point

00:10:41.880 because you control, in effect, a fifth of the world's oil and gas. Okay, now. And it goes on.

00:10:52.180 Paragraph six. The United States of America undertakes with its regional partners to develop

00:10:57.680 a definitive, mutually agreed-upon plan with at least USD $300 billion for the reconstruction

00:11:04.840 and economic development of the Republic of Iran.

00:11:08.920 Not just the reconstruction, not just rebuild the things that you blew up, but help our

00:11:15.160 economy going forward.

00:11:17.280 Economic development.

00:11:19.500 The U.S. has done a lot of that around the world, or said it does a lot of that around

00:11:24.200 the world, and it has to some extent, but never in Iran, not since at least 1979, when it's proxy, 0.84

00:11:32.460 the Shah got booted, and Iran has been, you know, our kind of top enemy in the world ever since, 0.54

00:11:39.000 and now the United States will somehow be involved in raising a fund, $300 billion.

00:11:44.300 When this was leaked two days ago, most people, including me, assumed that this was disinformation.

00:11:50.500 It was a lie spread by opponents of the agreement as a kind of poison pill.

00:11:56.020 Like, no way, $300 billion?

00:11:58.320 Isn't that like bigger than the entire Iranian economy?

00:12:02.040 Can't remember, but it's in that range anyway. 0.95

00:12:04.940 That can't be real.

00:12:07.040 Now, U.S. officials, including the vice president, have said we're not. 1.00

00:12:09.760 That's not coming from American taxpayers, and that's probably true.

00:12:12.880 That would be very hard to sell.

00:12:16.920 But it's coming from somewhere, and apparently, according to the agreement,

00:12:19.860 the United States will be involved

00:12:21.120 in procuring the money,

00:12:22.160 putting together the fund.

00:12:23.040 Who knows?

00:12:25.060 But it says right there,

00:12:26.200 the U.S. is part of this.

00:12:27.860 Huh.

00:12:28.480 Paragraph seven.

00:12:30.260 The United States of America

00:12:31.140 undertakes to terminate

00:12:32.540 all types of sanctions

00:12:33.700 against the Islamic Republic of Iran,

00:12:36.060 including the UN Security Council resolutions,

00:12:39.040 the IEA Board of Governors resolutions,

00:12:41.240 and all unilateral sanctions,

00:12:43.160 primary and secondary,

00:12:44.780 in an agreed upon schedule

00:12:46.000 as part of the final deal.

00:12:49.740 maybe the most significant and most difficult to achieve point out of the 14,

00:12:55.900 ending the sanctions.

00:12:57.060 Now, those sanctions have been in place in one way or another for generations.

00:13:02.100 They've crushed the economy of Iran,

00:13:05.260 and they are, as sanctions always are, an act of war, soft war, 0.54

00:13:08.740 but an act of war that kills people,

00:13:12.420 kills kids through poverty, through starvation,

00:13:15.440 always and everywhere.

00:13:17.840 Sanctions kill people.

00:13:18.780 Now, you could make the case that the people being killed deserve it, I guess, but you can't claim it's anything other than an act of war.

00:13:27.920 But Americans, for generations, have not had to face that reality.

00:13:32.340 And occasionally, you'll see some report from some liberal and international group, sanctions kill, and everyone, except liberals in the United States, everyone sort of dutifully ignores it.

00:13:41.560 sanctions seem like a really easy, low-cost, non-violent way to impose our will in other

00:13:49.440 countries. And we always do them under the pretext of like a moral crusade. You're getting sanctions

00:13:55.760 because you're like Hitler. And if we didn't impose sanctions, we'd be like Chamberlain. 0.94

00:13:59.960 And we don't want to be appeasers. We want to be like Churchill and strong and morally clear. We

00:14:04.780 want to be the right side of history. We're good people. That's why we're sanctioning you.

00:14:07.740 and americans have the congress has used that justification to sanction a whole bunch of

00:14:13.420 different countries and in no case have those sanctions helped the united states at all in

00:14:20.380 fact they've done more than anything else to weaken the u.s dollar long term they were impoverished

00:14:25.420 the united states those sanctions there's no question about that that's been acknowledged

00:14:29.320 for a long time but they've continued because no one has really pushed back because no one could

00:14:34.520 and now iran apparently has successfully and if it happens it'll be the first time

00:14:41.100 at this scale that it's ever happened has pushed the u.s to roll back those sanctions now

00:14:47.760 there is you know a long distance between putting that in paragraph seven of the mou which not even

00:14:55.860 signed yet and actually happening apparently it's gonna have to go through the congress will that

00:14:59.600 work? Hard to know. Hard to believe. But the fact that it's even up for discussion and that the

00:15:05.700 current administration is eager to agree to it tells you that this is the biggest change

00:15:11.420 diplomatically, well, in memory, at least. It's incredible that they actually wrote this down.

00:15:20.480 Paragraph eight. They wait till the eighth paragraph out of 14. The Islamic Republic of

00:15:24.700 Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons.

00:15:30.280 Now, keep in mind, the whole point of this, we were told, was to stop their nuclear weapons

00:15:34.120 program, which didn't actually exist.

00:15:36.560 They had a nuclear program.

00:15:37.460 Was it a nuclear weapons program?

00:15:38.380 Maybe.

00:15:39.520 Why wouldn't it be?

00:15:40.280 Who doesn't want nuclear weapons?

00:15:41.480 France has nuclear weapons. 0.73

00:15:42.560 Pakistan does.

00:15:43.300 I mean, everyone wants nukes or else they get treated like this.

00:15:47.360 But was Iran actually building a nuclear weapon?

00:15:49.400 There's no evidence of that.

00:15:51.400 In fact, there's quite a bit of countervailing evidence that they weren't at the moment.

00:15:54.700 will they now?

00:15:55.940 Of course they will.

00:15:57.080 Like, who wouldn't?

00:15:59.100 You don't see Trump or Lindsey Graham

00:16:01.400 or Ted Cruz standing up and saying,

00:16:04.040 we need to invade North Korea.

00:16:05.220 We can't, they have a nuke. 0.98

00:16:06.960 So we treat them with respect.

00:16:08.400 Despite the fact the leader is very short,

00:16:09.940 we treat them with respect

00:16:10.740 because they have a nuke.

00:16:13.300 So the incentive to get nuclear weapons

00:16:15.700 is overwhelming and all things being equal,

00:16:18.200 countries that can get them will. 0.78

00:16:21.400 And Iran is no different. 0.96

00:16:22.460 But this does, let's be honest. 0.74

00:16:24.700 makes it a lot more likely they will because, among other things, they'll be able to afford it,

00:16:30.080 which brings us to paragraph 10. The United States of America undertakes that immediately

00:16:34.860 upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions, the U.S. Department

00:16:39.420 of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and

00:16:45.080 derivatives and all associated services, including banking transactions, insurances,

00:16:50.440 transportation, etc.

00:16:51.980 Now, that sounds technical,

00:16:53.920 but it is

00:16:55.400 an incredible departure

00:16:57.940 from where we were yesterday,

00:17:00.520 where, again,

00:17:02.320 we are at the end stage

00:17:04.500 of a multi-decade effort 1.00

00:17:06.620 to isolate Iran in the world 0.54

00:17:08.720 to make even going to Iran

00:17:10.160 as a tourist verboten.

00:17:12.560 You can, by the way,

00:17:13.640 be prosecuted for spending money in Iran,

00:17:16.040 so subject to all these sanctions.

00:17:17.440 that this announcement that,

00:17:23.060 oh, we're getting rid of all that stuff

00:17:24.260 and they can do banking

00:17:25.560 and companies can do business with them

00:17:27.220 and they can export their oil

00:17:28.280 and they're not going to have to

00:17:29.120 put it into unmarked tankers

00:17:30.680 and pretend it came from somewhere else.

00:17:33.020 This is a sea change

00:17:34.880 that, again, connects to the other paragraphs

00:17:37.860 in one way.

00:17:39.560 It treats Iran like a global power, 0.57

00:17:43.200 like a sovereign adult nation,

00:17:46.040 Not like a rogue terror state, just the opposite.

00:17:48.640 It treats Iran with respect.

00:17:50.480 It treats Iran like a nation to be reckoned with

00:17:53.460 and afforded sovereignty.

00:17:57.040 Incredible.

00:18:02.840 Paragraph 11, and we'll stop after this.

00:18:06.480 The United States of America undertakes

00:18:08.240 to make fully available for use

00:18:10.520 the frozen or unrestricted funds

00:18:12.660 of the Islamic Republic of Iran

00:18:14.120 upon the implementation of this memorandum of understanding.

00:18:18.380 So there are many billions of dollars that belong to Iran

00:18:22.700 that have been frozen in some cases since 1979 in banks around the world.

00:18:28.420 And Iran has consistently, without getting boring about it, demanded the return.

00:18:32.600 And this was a sticking point during the famous Obama-Iran deal.

00:18:37.000 Iran wanted its money back.

00:18:38.360 And in some cases, they never got it back.

00:18:39.940 The United States just ignored its promise to return the money. 0.72

00:18:42.620 but it's Iran's money.

00:18:44.120 They think about it quite a bit.

00:18:45.880 It's not a rich country,

00:18:46.820 number 34 in the GDP list as noted,

00:18:48.780 and they want their money back.

00:18:51.040 And within Iran,

00:18:52.160 this is considered a really significant question.

00:18:56.380 And it's also, of course,

00:18:58.300 a matter of national pride.

00:18:59.540 It's their money.

00:19:00.180 Why can't they have it?

00:19:01.180 Well, because it's in US dollars.

00:19:02.440 That's why.

00:19:04.420 So with this,

00:19:05.700 they would be getting their money back.

00:19:08.900 So there's kind of no lying about this.

00:19:12.620 this is maybe good for the United States long-term.

00:19:16.720 You could certainly argue that.

00:19:18.980 And one hopes it will be, one prays that it will be.

00:19:22.660 It'll be better than what we have now, that's for sure.

00:19:25.280 But it is impossible.

00:19:27.240 From this text, assuming this is real,

00:19:29.020 and we think that it is,

00:19:29.820 it is absolutely impossible to say

00:19:32.660 this is in any sense a win for the United States

00:19:34.900 because it's not.

00:19:37.180 This is a pretty humiliating loss for the United States.

00:19:40.720 And as an American, certainly not gloating about that at all.

00:19:44.020 This is a loss.

00:19:45.060 This is, by the way, the reason that you wouldn't want to start this war in the first place,

00:19:48.100 because it could only end as it has ended. 0.98

00:19:51.300 And the people, by the way, who pushed to start this, notably the Israelis and their

00:19:55.440 unregistered agents in the United States, knew that, of course, because diminishing 0.82

00:20:00.480 the United States and reducing its footprint and power and influence in the Middle East

00:20:04.260 was part of the plan.

00:20:05.480 of course you can't really be in control of your region if you're taking orders from a foreign

00:20:11.960 power that would be us the u.s and the israelis wanted us out they wanted us out of the gulf

00:20:16.860 they wanted the destruction of our bases in the gulf and they got it but what they didn't want

00:20:22.620 what they definitely didn't want was a resolution in which the united states their patron their

00:20:27.660 only remaining ally on the planet admitted out loud that hey actually iran is a real country

00:20:34.080 that will have a seat at the table going forward.

00:20:37.040 It's an ancient civilization.

00:20:37.980 You can't eliminate it.

00:20:39.060 We just tried, didn't work.

00:20:41.260 And henceforth, we're going to treat them

00:20:43.060 as not just a real place,

00:20:45.400 but a steward of the most economically

00:20:48.960 significant waterway on the planet.

00:20:52.940 So with this, no matter what happens,

00:20:55.720 even if this is not signed on Friday,

00:20:59.760 with this, the United States has officially acknowledged

00:21:02.600 that Iran is a player.

00:21:05.060 And that changes everything

00:21:06.300 in the same way that the 1956 Suez crisis,

00:21:10.380 another crisis, another war

00:21:12.780 over a narrow waterway

00:21:14.780 through which commerce flows

00:21:15.900 ended the British Empire.

00:21:18.000 Now, of course, you could argue

00:21:18.720 the British Empire really kind of ended

00:21:20.620 with the armistice in 1918

00:21:21.820 at the end of the First World War.

00:21:23.100 You could definitely argue

00:21:24.160 that it was done by 1945

00:21:26.140 when they air quotes now won World War II.

00:21:28.860 but like a lot of fading empires it wasn't obvious to the rest of us so there was muscle

00:21:35.320 memory involved and britain had ruled the world and so it was fading but not dead but in the

00:21:43.820 space of a very short period of time with that fairly complex crisis britain was done why

00:21:49.980 because in the suez crisis of 1956 britain made it really clear that no matter what they said or

00:21:57.040 wanted, they couldn't actually affect the outcome. They didn't have the power to settle things the

00:22:02.500 way they wanted. The U.S. did. And so America, maybe not formally, but certainly practically,

00:22:11.420 took Britain's place as the ruler of the Middle East. With this, the United States has shown

00:22:19.560 that it does not have, despite possessing the world's best or biggest or certainly most

00:22:26.040 generously funded military does not have the military power to impose its will

00:22:33.300 on the 34th biggest economy in the world. That is not a lesson that we're going to

00:22:41.940 take decades to come to. That is an extremely obvious conclusion. In fact, that is the obvious

00:22:47.480 conclusion of this document. Again, for good or bad, and there's something poignant about it.

00:22:53.220 there's something sad about it. There's something also bitter about it, considering it was

00:22:56.880 predictable. This is why people opposed a regime change war against Iran, because this was always 0.86

00:23:03.000 going to happen. Because the question of Iran's military might, its nuclear program, its ballistic

00:23:11.280 missiles, was always secondary to what really mattered about Iran, which was its geography.

00:23:17.560 It sits on the northern side of the Strait of Hormuz. It could close the strait with mines. 0.76

00:23:22.740 it's not that hard. And because of where it sits on the globe, Iran was, and now is universally 1.00

00:23:31.760 acknowledged as a powerful nation, as a real place. It's not Somalia. And it never will be

00:23:36.760 Somalia. And this makes it official. So how did we get here? We didn't get here because anyone in 0.83

00:23:42.540 the administration decided, hey, let's sign a deal that our last remaining political allies,

00:23:47.660 the neocons hate. And they have every reason to hate this for sure. To extend them not grace

00:23:53.760 necessarily, but just to be honest about what's happening. They're upset for good reason.

00:24:00.140 The administration didn't do this to alienate its last remaining pocket of supporters. No,

00:24:05.080 it did this because we had no choice. The two things you need to understand

00:24:10.300 about the American negotiating position right now are these. One, we're running out of weapons.

00:24:17.660 The United States has expended about half of all of its existing missile defense in seven weeks.

00:24:27.540 Half of its THAAD interceptors, gone.

00:24:33.840 So, at a certain point, you can have whatever intention you want, but if you can't defend yourself against ballistic missiles or even drone attacks,

00:24:45.640 and you can't defend your allies in the region from those attacks, you can't continue.

00:24:53.540 We have reached the limit of our industrial capacity. The United States actually can't

00:24:58.040 defend itself as of right now in a major conflict. We're assuming this is a less than major conflict.

00:25:04.760 It is Iran after all. It's not China. It's not Russia. But the United States will be unable to

00:25:11.140 defend itself despite having a $1.5 billion a year Pentagon budget because it doesn't have

00:25:17.200 the industrial capacity to replenish those stocks. So we are very vulnerable at this moment. And with

00:25:23.880 every passing day, become more vulnerable. Okay. That's the first thing to know. The second thing

00:25:27.900 to know is that gas prices have gone up a lot, six bucks for 93 octane in a lot of places,

00:25:34.260 more than that for non-ethanol, for the privilege of using non-ethanol gasoline that doesn't wreck

00:25:39.000 your motor. It could go a lot higher than that. Rent crude prices, as the president said the

00:25:46.060 other day, have actually not skyrocketed. Well, one of the reasons they haven't is because the

00:25:50.380 United States and other countries, especially China, have massive oil reserves. Ours is called

00:25:55.080 the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. And the U.S. government draws down on that in order to keep

00:26:00.820 prices from going crazy, from spiking, because that's politically scary. And by the way, it's

00:26:04.940 real as an economic factor. It can spur real inflation. Our strategic petroleum reserve

00:26:10.880 is at its lowest point since 1983 in 43 years right now. So we are running out of oil and we're

00:26:22.840 running out of weapons. And it's not because we were beaten in some sort of broadside artillery

00:26:28.820 exchange between aircraft carriers. We famously destroyed their Navy and their Air Force, which

00:26:33.480 most people didn't know existed, but it doesn't matter. Because the kind of conflict that is

00:26:39.280 actually taking place is asymmetrical. And we have reached the limit of our ability to fight it,

00:26:47.660 short of using weapons of mass destruction against Iran, which no normal person wants. 0.92

00:26:55.400 Many people on television want, but no normal person wants that. Not just because it's the

00:27:00.060 most immoral thing you could do, but because the downstream consequences are unimaginable.

00:27:04.800 So we actually don't have a choice. The Trump administration is boxed in. We lost in a

00:27:12.420 meaningful way. And this is probably, while not great for the United States, in fact,

00:27:19.760 devastating in some ways, less bad, less devastating than what would happen if we

00:27:25.140 continued. And it's very clear that the Trump administration has understood this for a long

00:27:28.840 time, within days of the beginning of the war back in February. Why? Because, as is now widely

00:27:36.580 understood, the administration, the president, believed Israeli estimates about Iran's nuclear

00:27:44.240 program, its strength, and critically, how it would respond to the decapitation of its leadership

00:27:49.320 class. Kill the Ayatollah, kill the top 150 guys in charge of running the government and the 1.00

00:27:55.500 military and the place will collapse and something good will happen. That was the pitch. And it 1.00

00:28:00.960 turned out to be wildly comically wrong. The Iranians who are whatever else they are, not 1.00

00:28:06.280 stupid, had thought this through and had created a system that was impervious to decapitation. 1.00

00:28:11.380 You kill the first 150, another 150 rise up to take their place. Probably a little more radical 1.00

00:28:16.680 than the ones you just killed, but certainly clear about what their task is. So there was never going

00:28:23.160 to be regime change on the cheap.

00:28:26.120 Regime change would require

00:28:27.160 a land invasion of Iraq. 0.93

00:28:30.480 And there is no stomach 0.79

00:28:31.500 for that in the United States.

00:28:32.520 There's never been majority support

00:28:33.600 for any kind of war with Iran,

00:28:35.260 any kind of war with Iran

00:28:36.940 in the United States.

00:28:37.900 And if, by the way,

00:28:38.260 if you cared about

00:28:39.040 the promise of democracy,

00:28:40.600 that would be a stumbling block for you.

00:28:41.960 But the advocates of this

00:28:43.040 don't care at all

00:28:43.900 what the public thinks,

00:28:45.700 whether their children die,

00:28:47.260 not of interest to them.

00:28:48.880 In any case,

00:28:49.740 the Trump administration

00:28:50.600 knew very early

00:28:52.020 that this was not going to produce the easy win

00:28:57.400 that the Israelis had promised.

00:29:00.060 And there's a lot of evidence

00:29:01.280 that the president was angry about that.

00:29:04.020 Now, we've spent the last hundred or so days

00:29:05.720 listening to him try to posture his way out of it, 0.93

00:29:08.180 threaten the Iranians into submission. 0.82

00:29:10.200 It didn't work. 0.93

00:29:11.180 But underneath it all, it's very obvious

00:29:13.280 that the president, whose decision this was,

00:29:16.120 by the way, and it's unfair

00:29:18.380 to pass the buck to Netanyahu,

00:29:21.340 He's not the president of the United States, but it's very clear that the U.S. president blamed Netanyahu for misleading him.

00:29:28.140 And that's why, also very obvious in retrospect, he sent the secretary of state out within days to say publicly in a stairwell in the U.S. Congress that we followed Israel into this war.

00:29:40.260 Trump blamed Netanyahu early.

00:29:43.600 And he continues to.

00:29:44.920 so what's the response from the people who pushed this war including the ones who called trump

00:29:52.380 personally on the phone and there are many of them who called him on the phone or who used

00:29:56.540 their purchase on fox news to convince him to do this what's their response to this settlement

00:30:01.980 well it's completely hysterical but it's also revealing of their motives

00:30:08.280 and of their wisdom so here's just one among many examples from fox news this is from two days ago

00:30:14.280 This was before we got the actual text of the MOU.

00:30:18.360 This is when its basic deal points were being shared by text, and it wasn't clear how many

00:30:24.100 were real, but it was pretty clear this was not a triumphant victory, and it was even

00:30:28.340 more clear that the current Iranian regime would remain in place by the end of it.

00:30:32.860 Here's the response from a Fox News contributor to the deal.

00:30:36.220 Watch.

00:30:37.100 This deal and everything that we know about it, to the degree that it is being spun in

00:30:41.720 public by this, you know, and behind the scenes by the administration, everything about this deal

00:30:46.540 seems bad to me. It all seems bad. It all seems like a setback. It doesn't seem like it meets

00:30:51.340 any of the measures that the president actually put out there of his goals when it came to this

00:30:56.340 conflict. And look, at some point, this Republican Party needs to decide which kind of foreign

00:31:01.260 policy it's going to have. Is it going to be an America first foreign policy, one that is bold,

00:31:05.940 that uses American power in key moments decisively

00:31:09.580 in order to affect what it wants to achieve?

00:31:12.140 Or are we going to just backslide

00:31:14.040 into being some kind of hillbilly Obama kind of GOP?

00:31:17.500 That is not something that is acceptable to me.

00:31:19.500 It should not be acceptable to Republicans

00:31:21.060 and it should not be acceptable to any conservative

00:31:23.400 who is interested in the success of America going forward.

00:31:28.060 It's amazing to see that

00:31:29.300 if you're one of the overwhelming majority of Americans

00:31:31.520 who no longer pays for a cable package

00:31:33.160 and you're sort of wondering,

00:31:34.180 why are leaders doing these things?

00:31:35.340 because they're watching stuff like that

00:31:36.720 and they take it seriously.

00:31:38.340 So you put someone on television

00:31:39.780 who has no knowledge whatsoever

00:31:41.740 of the region, hasn't been there,

00:31:43.680 doesn't understand it,

00:31:44.960 is taking almost all of his understanding of it

00:31:48.440 from Fox News.

00:31:49.780 You have the snake eating its tail

00:31:50.940 as a guy who's believing the lies

00:31:54.060 that he's ingesting

00:31:55.080 and then coming to absurd conclusions

00:31:57.020 on the basis of them.

00:31:58.780 So it's like someone who has no authority

00:32:00.480 to weigh in on this

00:32:01.300 is telling you his august view of it.

00:32:03.820 So there's that.

00:32:04.540 It's childish.

00:32:06.020 But then there's the deeper question of, okay, you don't like the deal.

00:32:10.700 What's the option?

00:32:12.940 What does victory look like?

00:32:14.680 The president articulated it pretty clearly.

00:32:16.620 He wanted regime change.

00:32:18.060 He wanted new people running Iran.

00:32:19.880 He wanted an end to support for the proxies, the terror proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah and

00:32:25.200 the Houthis.

00:32:26.080 Okay.

00:32:27.500 He wanted Iran to stop producing, apparently, ballistic missiles.

00:32:34.640 stopped, I guess, having national defense. Okay. And he wanted famously total abject surrender.

00:32:42.220 He wanted Iran to get on its back, all four paws in the air and say, do with me what you will. 0.72

00:32:46.860 Well, none of those, and that analyst is correct in noting, none of those goals have been achieved. 0.87

00:32:53.420 The question is, how would you achieve them? So yeah, the United States is admitting defeat.

00:32:58.460 We did not get what we thought we would get or wanted to get. Some of us never thought we'd get

00:33:03.340 that, but it's not what they promised us. So what's the bold, decisive action that we're not

00:33:10.880 using to get us those things? I'll wait. And of course, there's no answer. There's no answer.

00:33:19.940 Half our THAAD batteries and patriots have been expended in seven weeks.

00:33:24.980 Kind of gave it our best shot. What would you do if you were the president?

00:33:32.060 Attack Karg Island? 0.93

00:33:34.240 And that's going to do what?

00:33:36.860 I mean, there are no options, is the truth.

00:33:39.480 But no one advocating for this will admit that

00:33:43.060 because if they admit that,

00:33:44.700 then they have to concede that the real goal

00:33:46.900 has nothing to do with what the president of the United States

00:33:50.320 articulated in public in February or March.

00:33:52.460 No, the real goal is the Israeli goal.

00:33:55.260 And the Israeli goal is not regime change

00:33:57.300 or end of the nuclear program. 0.85

00:33:58.520 The Israeli goal is chaos. 0.88

00:34:01.100 is dysfunction is an open superating wound 0.96

00:34:05.380 that lasts for generations. 0.53

00:34:07.720 The real goal is Syria or Libya or Iraq, Somalia. 0.99

00:34:12.740 The real goal is destruction for its own sake. 0.88

00:34:16.320 Any potential rival to your power 0.99

00:34:18.680 is so consumed with the tribal ethnic conflict

00:34:22.560 in his own country that he has no ability

00:34:24.740 to resist your territorial expansion.

00:34:26.820 he has no ability even to to notice you exist because he's busy trying to stay alive in the

00:34:35.000 middle of a generational civil war that's what they wanted in iran which is a country of almost

00:34:40.600 100 million people so what would be the natural obvious well-documented effects of this well

00:34:48.420 migrant crises in europe further destroy europe well that's always been an israeli goal destroy 0.75

00:34:53.460 of Europe, still mad about Rome in 70 AD or something, who knows what. But that's the actual 0.83

00:35:01.800 goal. But none of the advocates for this war, staying in the course, exerting American power,

00:35:08.320 no one in this country will admit it. And so instead, they hypnotized Trump voters with,

00:35:14.520 we have to be strong. We can't appease the Iranians. Okay, what's your plan? No one ever 1.00

00:35:19.300 asked that. And if asked, let's say someone actually snuck onto a Fox News set and said,

00:35:26.060 okay, tough guy, how would you do it? What would the next 30 days look like? At what cost?

00:35:32.920 What do you think is likely to happen? You're the same person who told us

00:35:35.740 that killing the Ayatollah, murdering an 80-something-year-old religious leader

00:35:40.320 was going to collapse the regime. It didn't work. So what do you think will work? 0.85

00:35:46.080 And they have no idea because their real goal is so ugly that they can't say it out loud.

00:35:53.640 So they were upset, really upset, when the news of this first broke, even before it was confirmed.

00:36:03.020 But Trump, Trump made it much worse.

00:36:08.300 Again, this is the last group of Americans who reliably support Trump, neocons.

00:36:14.840 He did what they wanted.

00:36:16.820 They've been talking about this war,

00:36:18.360 as Netanyahu himself said, for 30 odd years.

00:36:21.880 And Trump is the first American president

00:36:23.940 who actually did it.

00:36:24.580 He fell for it.

00:36:25.980 They lured him into the trap and he just jumped,

00:36:28.420 hoped for the best.

00:36:29.720 It's going to be okay, I promise.

00:36:31.040 Okay, now.

00:36:32.300 So he did.

00:36:34.700 And Trump understands how shafted he got.

00:36:40.440 he understands just how fooled he was and he's clearly bitter about it and he understands

00:36:46.840 further that in order to get out of this he needs to make this deal bad as it may be because there's

00:36:51.220 no option and he knows that the only force that can prevent this deal from actually happening is

00:36:57.800 not the u.s congress it's the government of israel they will try to queer the deal as they have so

00:37:02.160 many times they'll try to blow it up and so trump knows that he has to diminish benjamin netanyahu

00:37:09.580 and not just Netanyahu, but the state of Israel's moral legitimacy in the United States in order to

00:37:14.280 keep going. And so amazingly, he's done that. Someone who knows Trump very well once said to

00:37:21.660 me 15 years ago, long before he became president, said, in the end, Trump disappoints everyone.

00:37:27.660 Everyone who loves Trump is in the end disappointed from his ex-wives to his former

00:37:32.220 political allies, you name it, they're all disappointed. And it looks like it's Benjamin

00:37:36.000 Netanyahu's turn to be disappointed.

00:37:38.620 Here's Donald Trump today

00:37:40.060 at the G7 in Europe

00:37:41.560 describing Israel's behavior.

00:37:44.120 And you'll see that when you see the agreement, 0.56

00:37:46.200 but it's appropriate that we release the agreement

00:37:48.320 and we did send a copy to Israel,

00:37:50.320 by the way. They've been a good partner.

00:37:52.800 Again,

00:37:53.560 I think they could do better

00:37:55.900 with respect to Hezbollah.

00:37:59.040 I'm not saying they shouldn't

00:38:00.360 protect themselves. I'm saying

00:38:02.280 when two drones are

00:38:04.160 shot into the desert and drop

00:38:06.120 harmlessly. You don't have to knock down

00:38:08.280 buildings in Beirut.

00:38:11.560 They could behave

00:38:12.400 better. And frankly, they could do a better job.

00:38:16.120 I love them as a partner.

00:38:18.520 They were terrific. But they could do

00:38:20.380 a much better job with Hezbollah. 1.00

00:38:23.900 Wow. 0.99

00:38:24.880 Consider that for a moment.

00:38:26.200 And he said a lot of things like that in the last 24

00:38:28.200 hours. But just in that statement,

00:38:30.220 we sent Israel a copy

00:38:31.960 of the agreement.

00:38:33.640 Oh, you sent them a copy, did you?

00:38:35.220 You BCC'd them? 0.63

00:38:37.120 Didn't consult Israel. 0.77

00:38:38.460 They're a participant. 1.00

00:38:39.200 They're our partner in this war.

00:38:40.440 This is a joint war we are waging

00:38:42.140 with the government of Israel somehow.

00:38:44.340 First time in American history that's ever happened.

00:38:46.000 Not a good idea, by the way.

00:38:48.400 Note to self, don't do that again.

00:38:50.840 But as of right now, we were waging a war with Israel

00:38:53.780 and we just reached the outline of a peace agreement 0.71

00:38:57.100 with the country we are fighting with Israel

00:38:59.680 without consulting Israel.

00:39:01.200 we sent them a copy. Bitch. That's exactly what that means. Adults are talking. It's exactly 1.00

00:39:08.860 what Trump is saying to Israel. Then he goes on to say, yeah, I mean, I think what they're doing

00:39:15.120 and I understand you got to defend yourself and everything, but like it's brutal what they're

00:39:19.240 doing. It's brutal what they're doing in Beirut, in Lebanon, blowing up apartment buildings. At

00:39:25.800 one point, not in that clip, but in another from yesterday, he said, you know, I just think it's

00:39:29.940 too much. It's just too much. I think going forward, we may leave the fight against Hezbollah

00:39:36.820 to, I don't know, Jelani, who runs Syria. He's a good guy. Let him handle it. He'll do it in a 0.78

00:39:43.860 more measured way. Now, Jelani, of course, is a former Al-Qaeda leader, is running Syria,

00:39:50.600 really in thanks to Israeli pressure, because Assad, who is literally a practicing medical

00:39:56.100 physician educated in Britain. He's just too radical, meaning too anti-Israel. So we have to

00:40:02.560 have the former Al-Qaeda leader, Al-Qaeda, which they told us did 9-11. I don't know if you

00:40:08.900 remember that. Remember those 19 Arabs with box cutters who killed 3,000 Americans? That was the 1.00

00:40:13.500 story anyway. One of those guys is now our ally in Syria. And by the way, that guy, the former

00:40:20.860 al-Qaeda leader, he's just a more reasonable person. He's just more humane than Benjamin

00:40:26.180 Netanyahu. I mean, I like them all. They're all good guys. But really, if you're looking for

00:40:29.520 humane treatment of civilians, you got to go to the al-Qaeda guy, not the Israeli prime minister.

00:40:34.360 That's what the president said. It's unbelievable. If I said that, which I don't know if I would say

00:40:43.980 that. Is that true? I don't even know. I have maybe less faith in former al-Qaeda leaders than

00:40:49.620 the president does. But if I said that, it'd be anti-Semitism. What are you saying? Well,

00:40:53.900 Trump is saying that the Israelis are such inhumane savages who do not consider non-Israeli 0.99

00:41:01.560 life fully human. That's true, by the way, obviously, that we're going to trust the Al-Qaeda 1.00

00:41:07.320 guy over them. So again, watching all this stuff for the last couple of days and your instinct, 0.99

00:41:15.020 of course, is always to enjoy the hysteria and the suffering of neocons, considering how much

00:41:21.260 suffering they've imposed on the rest of us for the past 25 years. I mean, it's almost incalculable.

00:41:25.860 No group has done more damage to the United States. No group has come close to doing the

00:41:30.420 amount of damage to the United States that the neocons have done over 25 years. So when you see

00:41:33.820 them go totally bonkers and start rending their garments on Twitter, you're like, ah, I kind of

00:41:37.640 enjoying this. On the other hand, you just got to be honest and say, I get it. You went into this

00:41:45.440 thinking this would be the war that allowed Israel to fully take over and control the Middle East. 0.84

00:41:50.300 They would have no more real imminent threats. And yet, in one of those ironies that define life, 0.84

00:41:58.780 the war ended up radically diminishing Israel, radically strengthening Iran, which you consider 0.61

00:42:06.100 the existential threat to Israel, which is absurd, but they think that. They've talked

00:42:09.340 themselves into believing that, some of them. And you lost the only president you had full control

00:42:16.420 over. Trump went from being a slave to Israel to comparing Benjamin Netanyahu disfavorably

00:42:24.000 to Al-Qaeda. Man, what a ride. So we could pick a thousand different responses and enjoy every

00:42:33.840 one of them. But in the interest of restraint and decency, we're only going to play one.

00:42:39.320 And it's from Ben Shapiro. Here's Ben Shapiro. So Trump, while characterizing the Iranians as

00:42:43.680 very reasonable, says that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is a very difficult guy.

00:42:49.540 Okay, I'm just going to be clear. One of these countries has been flying sorties

00:42:52.760 next to the United States and putting the lives of his own soldiers at risk

00:42:57.100 next to the United States. One of these countries has been trying to kill American soldiers.

00:43:00.960 so probably we should you know be a little bit more measured in our critiques of our allies

00:43:09.820 the one thing i will say with regard to the president and the vice president and the signals

00:43:13.620 they are sending if you keep sending the signal to a terror backing regime that chants death to

00:43:19.140 america that you want to deal with them so badly that you're going to tell our allies in the region

00:43:23.780 to stand down, you are giving them an enormous amount of forward momentum. And that is a huge

00:43:30.820 mistake that should not be done. And I hope that the president does not do that. Again, that signing

00:43:36.440 ceremony in Switzerland should be canceled. It should not happen. All right. Now, well, I mean,

00:43:41.140 there's so many things to say, but we'll just keep this limited just because it's just too easy. But

00:43:45.720 you'll notice big picture that there is no distress at the truly harmful effect to the

00:43:52.380 United States of this war, to the American economy, to our ability to project legitimate

00:43:56.940 power, assuming there are times when you do need to project legitimate power around the

00:44:01.240 world, in the Middle East specifically, the deaths of, well, we don't know the real number.

00:44:07.700 The number is 13, according to Grok, of Americans in this war.

00:44:10.740 Is that the real number?

00:44:11.240 No, it's not the real number, actually.

00:44:13.340 What is the real number?

00:44:14.000 We don't know.

00:44:14.360 We will at some point know. 0.81

00:44:15.540 But Americans have died for Israel in this war. 0.90

00:44:18.100 No concern about that at all. 0.81

00:44:22.380 appropriately respectable to a foreign head of state. He's not showing enough respect or

00:44:28.900 deference to a guy who runs a tiny country of 9 million people in apartheid state with no natural 0.62

00:44:34.780 resources at all, from which we derive nothing. It's only an expense. Israel's side of the ledger

00:44:42.840 is just bright red. We're not getting anything out of this at all. And Trump is treating him 0.92

00:44:49.500 like the junior partner he is

00:44:51.380 in negotiating with a real country, Iran.

00:44:53.440 And that's what just sends this guy into orbit. 0.81

00:44:57.480 But you'll notice that's not enough

00:44:59.780 to just say like,

00:45:01.380 how dare you criticize Netanyahu?

00:45:03.280 How dare you?

00:45:04.360 Because his real interest, of course,

00:45:05.540 is not the United States.

00:45:06.260 It's in Israel, obviously.

00:45:08.740 It's not a slur or slander or blood libel.

00:45:10.800 It's just like demonstrable from watching the guy.

00:45:12.780 Come on now, stop lying.

00:45:14.640 That's all you care about.

00:45:16.500 Fine, but let's not lie about it.

00:45:18.520 But it's not enough just to make that case.

00:45:21.080 You also have to get self-righteous and, oh, they're risking their lives for what?

00:45:27.240 The second this war started, they used it as a pretext to steal land in a neighboring country, Lebanon.

00:45:33.320 They used our money and our military and the lives of our service members to steal more land?

00:45:41.640 Okay.

00:45:42.600 That literally happened.

00:45:43.820 It's happening now.

00:45:45.540 And guess who paid for it?

00:45:46.800 We did. 0.96

00:45:48.160 Has Israel and the United States

00:45:49.640 spent more money defending Israel in the last

00:45:51.540 hundred days? Oh, that's an easy one. We have. 0.98

00:45:54.600 We're paying for

00:45:55.480 their self-defense. We pay almost half of

00:45:57.460 their entire military budget, one way or the other.

00:46:00.840 So don't

00:46:01.680 lecture me about how

00:46:03.400 we owe you something.

00:46:05.120 Are you kidding?

00:46:07.300 And then to the question of

00:46:08.400 whether or not Israel's our ally.

00:46:11.600 In what sense?

00:46:13.460 If Americans die,

00:46:15.600 if the nation gets poorer, 0.61

00:46:17.380 If pressing problems in the United States are ignored in favor of theoretical problems, ideological problems, or Israel's problems thousands of miles away, if your average senator is more concerned about Islamic jihad than homelessness or housing prices in America, and that is true, how are they an ally?

00:46:39.340 if the israeli intelligence service had foreknowledge of 9-11 which they did according

00:46:46.360 to the american fbi how is that an ally you know it's coming and you don't tell us

00:46:53.520 that's what the fbi said that's not an anti-semitic conspiracy theory that's a provable fact because

00:46:59.460 there are photographs from september 10th of massad operatives mocking the burning of the

00:47:05.620 World Trade Centers. And you can look them up if you want. And Fox News at one point right after

00:47:10.840 9-11 ran that package. Wouldn't do that now. The point is not to attack Israel. The point is to

00:47:17.820 attack the idea that this is an ally. There's nothing allied about that. That's an opponent,

00:47:23.860 a rival, a resentful, dependent nation. And of course, that shouldn't surprise anybody. 0.69

00:47:31.560 Dependency breeds resentment.

00:47:33.940 People who take welfare hate the government.

00:47:36.420 Adults who take money from their parents resent their parents.

00:47:38.780 Dependency always causes resentment.

00:47:42.640 And they resent us.

00:47:44.120 I get it.

00:47:45.020 That's our fault, not theirs, by the way.

00:47:47.580 But the point is, it's all ending.

00:47:52.440 Many times today, I got texts from people, including in the government, saying,

00:47:55.640 you know, I hope this works, but there's no way, honestly, that we can stay at peace as long as we 0.99

00:48:03.280 maintain this relationship with Israel. And there are no signs, despite Trump's theatrics about not

00:48:08.700 liking Bibi. By the way, nobody likes Bibi, including Mrs. Bibi. So that's not like a unique

00:48:13.220 position, right? He's insufferable and everyone knows that. So a bunch of people texted to say,

00:48:18.140 you know, nothing's going to change. Just like after the 12-day war last June, we took out their

00:48:24.880 nuclear sites and we're done. But of course, everybody who follows this knows, knew then 0.92

00:48:29.620 this is just preparatory to a regime change effort, which it was, right? Took till February,

00:48:34.340 but it happened. And so cynical people in Washington are convinced that this cycle will

00:48:39.720 continue, but it won't. It may not end soon, but it will end for two reasons. First, in one word,

00:48:49.480 Gaza. What's happening in Gaza, what Israel has done in Gaza, which is ethnic cleansing,

00:48:56.540 which is murdering people and moving them out because you don't want them there. 0.54

00:49:01.860 And by people, people on the basis of bloodline, not even on the basis of religion. This is

00:49:06.740 happening to Christians and Muslims, but they're Arabs, they're Palestinians. And they're being 1.00

00:49:11.480 moved out of Gaza and the West Bank and Southern Lebanon because Israel wants the land that is

00:49:15.560 ethnic cleansing. It's genocide. It's the definition of genocide. It's happened before. 0.52

00:49:20.900 That is happening now. It's happening with U.S. tax dollars in the Middle East, and Israel is 0.60

00:49:26.560 doing it. Now, that fact wasn't until recently very controversial in the United States. You

00:49:31.920 couldn't say that. You were somehow the criminal. The people committing murder were fine. The people

00:49:40.240 complaining about it were the criminals. That's been kind of the status quo for a long, long time.

00:49:46.460 It's fine for you to commit genocide. It is totally evil for me to say something about it.

00:49:52.060 But that's nonsensical. It's actually totally unnatural. It's crazy, really. And so that can't

00:49:59.720 continue. And now all of a sudden, it's not going to continue because too many people know what's

00:50:04.320 happening. Now, they don't know details because they can't, because there's almost no access at

00:50:11.960 all to Gaza. Over 100 journalists have been murdered in Gaza by Israel in an effort to

00:50:19.080 keep secret what they have done to the civilian population. We have no even good guess as to the

00:50:25.220 death toll, which is clearly over 100,000 Palestinians, women and children being the

00:50:30.540 majority of those deaths, apparently, but we don't know because Israel won't allow any independent

00:50:36.040 assessment of what has happened there. But images, including satellite images, make it really,

00:50:40.040 really clear that Israel used the pretext of October 7th to just destroy Gaza. Over two million

00:50:48.260 people live there. How many people live there now? Like at some point, we're going to know exactly

00:50:51.500 what Israel did. And it will be very obvious, in fact, impossible to deny that what they did was 0.95

00:50:56.560 genocide. And genocide is wrong. No matter who commits it, whether it's the Nazis, whether it's

00:51:01.940 the Rwandans, whether it's the Turks against the Armenians, it doesn't matter. Killing entire 0.98

00:51:05.820 populations because you don't want them there, killing their children because you don't want 0.99

00:51:09.360 them to grow up into your opponents, that's always wrong. It doesn't matter. There is no special 0.97

00:51:16.340 carve-out for that kind of behavior. Ethnic cleansing is never allowed, period, because it 0.99

00:51:21.080 violates a universal standard that applies even to Israel. Now, that's not something that Americans

00:51:26.860 have heard, except maybe on like the kooky left, they've been mad about it for a long time.

00:51:33.240 But now normal people are like, yeah, well, why is that wrong?

00:51:36.980 And the response has been unvarying. Shut up, bigot, Nazi. No, it's like, I'm not the one who 1.00

00:51:44.740 killed all those kids you did, and you're making excuses for it. That is a dawning realization on

00:51:50.460 the world, including the United States. And no amount of buying social media platforms or CBS

00:51:57.740 News or CNN, it's too late. People know. And at some point, they're going to know a lot more.

00:52:02.660 And when they do know a lot more, the people who did it and made excuses for it will be punished.

00:52:07.580 Because justice does exist because it's organic. It's part of nature. We don't create these

00:52:13.340 standards of behavior. We're born knowing them because they're part of the natural order. God

00:52:19.120 created those standards. And no amount of pretending that he didn't or pretending that

00:52:23.360 certain people don't have to observe those standards because they've got a special deal. 0.97

00:52:26.260 No amount of that kind of silly lying changes the fact that when you kill innocents, you are 0.97

00:52:31.640 punished for it. Certainly in the next life, but usually in this life too. And they will be punished 0.99

00:52:37.520 for it. Everybody who participated in this and everybody who made excuses for it or pretended

00:52:42.840 it wasn't happening or attacked people who noted the truth about what was happening, all of those

00:52:47.040 people will be reviled and in some cases they'll be formally punished not celebrating that just

00:52:55.180 noting that that's a fact and you can tell when you listen to them talk screech when they get 0.79

00:52:59.480 hysterical you know they know it too they know it too there will be no holocaust museum in the world

00:53:07.500 that doesn't note what happened in gaza because it's too absurd genocide's okay in one place but

00:53:13.800 bad in another, no one believes that. And so that will make it absolutely impossible

00:53:19.620 for the U.S. Congress, no matter how much money they take from various lobbies,

00:53:24.140 to continue to uncritically and without any strings attached at all, which is the status quo,

00:53:29.020 send money billions, billions and billions of American tax dollars to Israel. That just can't

00:53:35.320 continue. And the second thing that has dawned on people, including people who sort of paid

00:53:41.180 attention, like me, we didn't really know until recently was the people advocating for the state 0.84

00:53:47.200 of Israel are both dishonest and in some cases like completely crazy. I'm not saying that in a

00:53:54.900 pejorative way. I mean, it sounds like that, but literally disconnected from reality.

00:54:00.340 And not everyone who disagrees with me or you is crazy. I mean, there are legitimate

00:54:05.100 disagreements. We just see things differently. We have different interests. That's okay.

00:54:08.100 But there is a kind of style of argument that's instantly recognizable as nuts because it has no reference point at all in reality.

00:54:19.200 It's all made up.

00:54:21.500 And what it lacks in veracity, in verifiable truth, like here's why I think this is true, let me show you, it makes up for in vehemence. 0.88

00:54:31.920 And so crazy people,

00:54:33.260 in case you haven't dealt with them before, 1.00

00:54:35.140 religious nuts, 0.97

00:54:36.700 keep repeating assertions

00:54:39.700 that don't make any sense

00:54:41.060 with increasing vehemence,

00:54:43.580 as if saying it again and again and again

00:54:45.920 will somehow make it true.

00:54:47.320 It is like a spell in that way.

00:54:49.520 And you don't want to pick on him

00:54:50.680 because he's got enough problems.

00:54:52.580 But Ambassador Mike Huckabee,

00:54:53.780 the U.S. ambassador to Israel,

00:54:55.620 has been a nonstop generator

00:54:57.820 of examples of this.

00:54:59.880 nice man, but somebody's gone really wrong, and now everybody knows it.

00:55:04.760 So here's Mike Huckabee's latest defense of Israel, which is in fact an indictment of Israel

00:55:09.840 and of himself. Watch this. This is just another reminder that it is your heritage, without a doubt,

00:55:18.560 but minister, it is also the heritage of the United States. Without Israel, without the Jewish 0.93

00:55:26.440 foundation. There will not 1.00

00:55:28.560 be an America.

00:55:30.280 We owe our very existence

00:55:32.460 for what happened this

00:55:34.340 way. Without Israel, there would be no 0.98

00:55:36.360 America? So you 1.00

00:55:38.360 almost want to just say, hold on for a second

00:55:40.540 ambassador, what are you talking about?

00:55:42.360 I mean, just not to be autistic or literal about

00:55:44.400 it, but Israel was founded in 1948.

00:55:46.420 America, well, now famously, 250

00:55:48.400 years ago next month.

00:55:50.140 So like that doesn't, the timeline doesn't seem to add up

00:55:52.480 there. Obviously, you don't mean it literally. You mean it

00:55:54.440 like conceptually or

00:55:56.440 ideologically or theologically, but like, tell me how that works. Well, I tried a version of

00:56:00.980 that with him. Like, just explain what you're talking about. And the answer when you pressed

00:56:06.700 was shut up, Nazi. That's not an answer, of course. And it doesn't in the end stain the 0.99

00:56:16.000 person who at whom it's aimed. It stains the person who throws it, who says something like

00:56:21.720 that. It diminishes the accuser, not the accused. And it's not just Mike Huckabee, of course,

00:56:29.420 it's almost every defender of the indefensible, which would be the behavior of the state of Israel 0.62

00:56:34.540 over the past two years. Almost every single one of them has gotten to that place where rather than

00:56:42.140 answer the question in a rational way, even if you disagree, but like, here's my case. 0.98

00:56:46.180 If you press them on the details, whether it's pick one, Tom Cotton or Ted Cruz or any of them, Mark Levin, the answer pretty quickly is shut up, Nazi.

00:57:00.500 And we know from the short but awful reign of terror by 50-year-old liberal white ladies a couple of years ago during BLM, you know, these things burn bright but then burn out because there's nothing underneath them. 0.60

00:57:14.320 You can scream racist at someone and it works for the first six months or a year, but it doesn't work for 10 years because that's not an answer. 0.51

00:57:22.500 In this latest round of identity politics and liberal divorced lady politics has gotten us into the single least helpful war and maybe most momentously bad war the United States has ever been involved in ever.

00:57:41.900 That's where it got us. 0.68

00:57:44.320 And everybody knows it.

00:57:46.440 So while I understand the concern that this horrible cycle,

00:57:50.700 which has been going on for decades now, 0.99

00:57:52.480 where the United States gets abused by its proxy state Israel

00:57:56.740 and then continues to pretend it didn't happen. 0.68

00:57:59.880 No, no, they didn't attack the U.S. liberty on purpose or whatever.

00:58:03.920 They had nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination.

00:58:05.860 We just redacted all mentions of Israel from the Kennedy files just because.

00:58:10.540 Okay, now.

00:58:11.200 where we pretend it didn't happen

00:58:13.480 and then attack anybody who asks about it.

00:58:16.500 That's over because too much has become public.

00:58:21.700 And you know that, you know that they know that,

00:58:24.240 the defenders of the Netanyahu government know that

00:58:27.400 because they've doubled down

00:58:30.120 on their truly counterproductive

00:58:33.700 and morally disgusting effort to conflate 0.91

00:58:36.740 the government of Israel with global Jewry,

00:58:39.240 attack Israel, attack Netanyahu, 1.00

00:58:40.760 you hate all Jews. It's totally irrational and wrong, and it does nothing but inspire the 1.00

00:58:49.240 anti-Semitism they claim to hate. Maybe they're trying to inspire it. Who knows what their motive 0.69

00:58:53.540 is? It's having the opposite of the supposedly intended effect. But you know they're losing

00:58:59.400 control because rather than train their fire on long-term, sincere critics of Israel,

00:59:09.200 They have started, as all religious fanatics do in the end, they have started reserving their harshest criticism for apostates, for people who are on their side or sort of on their side, have always kind of been on their side, but who may differ on one minor detail.

00:59:29.360 I believe in the resurrection, but this transubstantiation thing, that's tough for me.

00:59:34.540 That's the guy we burn. 0.99

00:59:36.520 And they're doing it because they are religious nuts. 0.99

00:59:39.200 Not because they believe in Torah Judaism, they clearly don't, but because the crazed, irrational religious impulse has run away with them. 0.99

00:59:50.260 By the way, the irony of them calling the Iranians theocratic fascists is not lost on the world.

00:59:58.860 When Mark Levin calls you an extremist, it doesn't hurt.

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01:01:05.000 it's worth it. But we thought it'd be interesting to talk to one of these apostates. It's Piers

01:01:09.540 Morgan, who's been in the television business, newspaper business, media for 40 years.

01:01:13.500 And for almost all of that time, in fact, probably even now, he's like a pretty reliable

01:01:17.020 supporter of Israel. He's not against Israel. I've always had the same view. Like, yeah,

01:01:21.920 I don't think we should be paying for this, but of course they have a right to defend themselves.

01:01:26.460 The right to self-defense is an inherent human right. It cannot be taken away.

01:01:29.400 And it applies to states as much as it does individuals. So of course they have a right

01:01:32.360 to defend themselves.

01:01:33.700 No one wants to destroy Israel.

01:01:35.300 He doesn't.

01:01:36.060 I don't.

01:01:38.340 But like, this is too much.

01:01:40.380 Like genocide?

01:01:41.540 I don't think so.

01:01:42.400 I'm out.

01:01:43.220 That's all he said.

01:01:45.060 And now they are painting

01:01:46.300 Piers Morgan specifically.

01:01:48.400 Mark Levin of Fox News

01:01:49.620 is calling the guy a Nazi.

01:01:51.800 A Nazi. 0.99

01:01:53.440 So we thought it'd be amusing 0.97

01:01:54.440 to talk to Piers Morgan

01:01:56.620 about what's that like?

01:01:58.220 What's it like to spend

01:01:58.880 your entire life supporting Israel 0.89

01:02:00.560 in the way that kind of

01:02:02.360 all center-left, center-right,

01:02:04.400 you know, sort of professional class people

01:02:07.820 have always supported Israel.

01:02:10.260 Maybe not passionately,

01:02:11.660 but just sort of by rote. 0.54

01:02:14.060 Of course I support Israel.

01:02:15.980 Tiny, heroic little country

01:02:17.380 surrounded by enemies, you know, 1.00

01:02:19.320 love the kibbutzes or whatever.

01:02:21.800 What's it like for that guy

01:02:23.680 to be called a Nazi by a Fox News anchor?

01:02:27.060 So we asked him.

01:02:28.540 Here's Piers Morgan.

01:02:30.220 Piers Morgan, thank you for doing this.

01:02:31.640 I've known you for so long and I always have thought of you correctly, I think, as a very reasonable man as pro-Israel.

01:02:37.120 In fact, as basically a Zionist, a defender of Israel. 0.82

01:02:40.180 And then I wake up and I read from Mark Levin that you're literally a Nazi. 0.62

01:02:45.600 You're a member of something called the Woke Reich. 0.51

01:02:48.740 And I wonder where you went wrong. 0.89

01:02:50.900 What happened?

01:02:52.040 Are you taking money?

01:02:52.860 Well, it was also news to me, Tucker, I have to say.

01:02:55.060 Not often you wake up and discover you were actually a member of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party, but that appears to be what Mark Levin thinks I am.

01:03:05.560 Yeah, I mean, the guy, I don't really know Mark Levin. You know him better than I do.

01:03:09.940 I've watched his work. He seems to resort to ad hominem attacks on anyone that dares stand up to this particular Israeli government,

01:03:18.420 which I think is an interesting strategy because most people I talk to of any political persuasion

01:03:25.020 right now are pretty critical of this Israeli government. And in the same way that Ben Shapiro

01:03:30.580 and others have, I think, really caused themselves enormous reputational damage over this Iran war

01:03:37.480 in particular, it comes down to their refusal to countenance any criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu,

01:03:45.320 even when he's doing things which most people think are completely wrong.

01:03:50.760 And I don't understand why they think that's a winning strategy.

01:03:54.220 It seems from the dwindling viewers that both of them have that viewers don't like it.

01:04:00.520 I'm not quite sure who they're doing this for other than their own egos.

01:04:04.780 But it's embarrassing. 0.99

01:04:06.640 It's ridiculous. 0.91

01:04:07.940 And obviously, I'm not a member of the Nazi party and never had been. 0.98

01:04:11.860 And I don't equate criticizing this very hardline Israeli government with, in my view, complete psychopaths like Ben Gavir and Smodredge saying and doing things which are utterly repellent. 0.96

01:04:27.460 You know, I just think the idea that criticism of that kind of thing, meaning that you become a member of the woke Reich, is patently ridiculous. 0.69

01:04:37.900 Well, it's also weird considering that the people being targeted, and honestly, I would

01:04:41.900 include myself in this, are the more moderate people.

01:04:44.820 Certainly, you have been, I just want to say it again, a consistent and pretty loyal defender

01:04:51.320 of Israel ever since I noticed your public career.

01:04:56.360 Megyn Kelly, same thing. 0.76

01:04:58.360 Why attack those people?

01:05:00.340 Why not make some effort to say to people like you or Megyn Kelly, look, I know you

01:05:04.320 like Israel.

01:05:04.920 You always have. 1.00

01:05:06.160 There are some lunatics in the current government. 0.98

01:05:08.420 We can reform this. 0.95

01:05:09.820 Why the zero-tolerance policy for any criticism?

01:05:12.520 It seems counterproductive.

01:05:14.220 Well, it's not just counterproductive. 1.00

01:05:15.560 It's actually deeply offensive because, as you rightly say, I have always supported Israel's

01:05:22.360 right to exist as a basic right.

01:05:24.300 I've always supported their right after October the 7th to defend themselves.

01:05:28.580 I thought they had a moral public duty to their people to defend themselves after that

01:05:33.240 appalling terrorist attack.

01:05:34.420 But I also questioned quite early on whether their response was proportionate.

01:05:40.200 And I continue to question the proportionality of Israel's response to all the threats that they face.

01:05:46.180 And I don't say for a moment that Israel has not been threatened and doesn't remain threatened by a variety of terrorist groups,

01:05:54.540 from Hezbollah to the Houthis to Hamas and the tentacles of Iran, spread along to all those groups.

01:05:59.980 I don't for any moment want to suggest that isn't happening.

01:06:04.420 or it's not a real thing. But how a country like Israel, which is pretty much the superpower of

01:06:10.720 the region, which has an extraordinarily powerful military, it's got itself into a really difficult

01:06:17.760 place on this, where it is becoming increasingly a global prior. And that's not your fault,

01:06:23.680 or my fault, or Megyn Kelly's fault. But increasingly, I think it is a situation

01:06:29.500 exacerbated by the likes of Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, because they conflate legitimate

01:06:36.160 criticism of the actions of a government with, in many cases, they spray gun people with the

01:06:43.280 charge of anti-Semitism, or as we see now, well, you must be part of the woke Reich, which of

01:06:48.580 course would be ridiculously ironic if that was the case, given what they think I'm about.

01:06:52.920 And so the whole thing to me seems completely absurd, dangerous, I think, for Israel and its

01:07:02.560 reputation, dangerous for Jewish people around the world, many of whom have said to me they 0.75

01:07:07.800 completely agree with my criticisms of this Israeli government. The conflation of criticism 0.93

01:07:14.020 of any government with the people or the country, I think, is always absurd. I mean, in 2003,

01:07:21.000 I led the Daily Mirror newspaper in the UK, one of the biggest selling daily newspapers,

01:07:25.800 in a relentless and very, very full on campaign to prevent or try to prevent Tony Blair going

01:07:32.480 to war in Iraq over what turned out to be misinformation about Saddam Hussein having

01:07:38.740 weapons of mass destruction. And the point about that was that the Daily Mirror was the Labour

01:07:44.000 supporting newspaper. We had been full square behind Tony Blair. We'd been very supportive

01:07:49.860 of Tony Blair, but on that decision to go to war in 2003. And my own brother was fighting in the

01:07:56.500 British army at the time and was sent to Basra to fight on behalf of my country. So I think I had a

01:08:02.040 right to have a view about this. And my view was that we had not proven the case against Saddam 0.83

01:08:06.520 Hussein. And I stood up with the paper and a day after day opposed it. Now, does any of that

01:08:12.680 visceral criticism of Tony Blair's decision and that of his government mean that I hated the

01:08:18.980 people of my country? No. Did it mean I hate my country? No. The opposite, in fact. I was doing

01:08:25.260 this because I wanted to be supportive of my country, supportive of my country's people,

01:08:30.760 my fellow countrymen, by stopping something happening that I felt was detrimental to the

01:08:36.000 interests of both my country and its people. And I feel the same way about this decision

01:08:41.540 to go to war in Iran. I think that Benjamin Netanyahu is pretty clear now. I spent a lot of

01:08:48.340 time trying to persuade Donald Trump that America should join Israel in attacking Iran. And he

01:08:55.280 presented to him, we know this from a big New York Times deep dive on this, he presented to him a

01:09:00.440 sequence of events that would happen if they decapitated the leadership. If they killed the

01:09:05.920 Ayatollah and they had information that would allow them to be able to do that and many of his

01:09:10.300 top people, then the argument that Netanyahu and the head of Mossad presented in the White House

01:09:15.480 situation room to Donald Trump face to face, the Mossad guy came in remotely, but Netanyahu was

01:09:21.100 sitting there, was that if they did this, then what would happen is the regime and the IRGC

01:09:27.660 would collapse from within, the Iranian people would rise up in rebellion and finally overthrow

01:09:33.800 this regime after nearly five decades, and that they would all be too distracted to concern

01:09:39.520 themselves with the Strait of Hormuz. Well, the only thing that happened after all that,

01:09:44.840 because Donald Trump, I think, bought into this and thought this was achievable. And maybe that

01:09:49.780 was a bit of hubris after what happened in Venezuela and other successful missions. Maybe

01:09:54.280 the 12-day war last year, in fact, Iran didn't really respond or retaliate, gave Trump a full

01:09:59.620 sense of security about what may happen if he did this. But he went along with it. I think that he

01:10:05.780 believed what Netanyahu told him. Ultimately, though, Trump is the President of the United

01:10:10.240 States. Decisions he takes on behalf of America are on him. And I don't think he should be,

01:10:15.980 no one should be under any illusion about that part of this. But I do think Netanyahu persuaded

01:10:20.820 him this is what would happen. And none of that has happened. And now we have a deal which most

01:10:26.600 people, including many people on the conservative right in America, think is a terrible deal that

01:10:31.340 is no better, potentially worse than the deal that Obama got, which of course Donald Trump and many

01:10:35.920 others trashed mercilessly at the time and have done ever since. And what was it all for? The

01:10:42.080 regime remains intact. The Ayatollah was killed, but his younger son, obviously younger son, but 0.91

01:10:47.940 his son has replaced him and is much more hardline and radical from reports I've seen. The IRGC

01:10:54.180 remains in a complete vice-like grip of the country, so much so that there'd been no rebellions

01:11:01.040 by the Iranian people whatsoever. And I think they've been badly let down in this whole process.

01:11:05.920 And, of course, there's been this asymmetric war that's been waged by the Iranian regime 0.59

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01:11:17.700 and oil and fertilizer and other things through the Strait of Hormuz, if they turned that

01:11:22.000 tap off, they could cause enormous economic damage to the whole world. 0.85

01:11:26.540 And if they did it simultaneously with firing off missiles and rockets at their neighboring 0.89

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01:11:38.480 tourists going there and so on, which is very much their next business model, as you know.

01:11:42.660 You and I had interviews together in Riyadh, and we know this is the way they want to take things

01:11:46.980 away from reliance on oil to tourism and sport and entertainment and so on, opening things up

01:11:51.880 that way. But it relies, of course, on safety. And the Iranians knew that. So there's been two wars

01:11:57.460 going on. You know, I don't dispute for a moment that the Americans and Israelis have damaged 1.00

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01:12:09.080 deal that's being proposed, which apparently the Americans have signed up to, if the Iranians get

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01:17:20.440 It seems like the biggest loser, and I hate to agree with Mark Levin on this, but is Israel.

01:17:26.920 I mean, Israel did not defend itself during this war. The United States spent many billions 0.59

01:17:33.160 defending Israel, much more than Israel spent defending itself. And Israel used this war, 0.86

01:17:38.400 which it inspired to start another war in Lebanon. 0.54

01:17:42.500 So it behaved disgracefully.

01:17:44.380 Everyone in the United States saw that.

01:17:45.940 The U.S. is its last remaining supporter,

01:17:49.200 meaningful supporter on the globe.

01:17:51.260 And that's clearly going away.

01:17:52.980 Trump, who is Netanyahu's closest partner in the world,

01:17:57.620 who called for his pardon repeatedly,

01:18:00.040 defended him against corruption charges,

01:18:01.940 ridiculously, but vigorously,

01:18:03.800 he's attacking Netanyahu.

01:18:05.700 So Israel, and I just want to ask you, since you live in a world where, you know, of a lot of sort of center-right, center-left, but Israel-supporting people in the media, do you feel a change in what people are saying out loud about Israel?

01:18:20.240 It feels like they've lost massive support.

01:18:22.680 100%.

01:18:23.160 And I think Netanyahu's become massively damaging to Israel and to the country's reputation around the world.

01:18:30.220 I mean, the statistics in all the polls speak for themselves.

01:18:33.480 You know, I've never seen polls quite like I'm seeing now about the view of Israel amongst

01:18:40.300 Americans.

01:18:41.140 You know, nearly two-thirds of Americans now have a negative opinion of Israel.

01:18:44.620 It's never been like that in our lifetime, ever.

01:18:47.580 There's always been the opposite. 0.95

01:18:48.540 There's always been a majority support for Israel.

01:18:51.180 This is the real-time damage that I believe Netanyahu, fuelled by ministers like Ben

01:18:57.080 Givir and Smodrich, have been causing.

01:18:58.840 and you know netanyahu i'm afraid i'm very cynical about his motivations for all this

01:19:04.800 warmongering he knows that the warmongering is popular internally in israel far makes him far

01:19:12.040 more popular than anything else does in fact the rest of it makes him unpopular so this is a

01:19:17.160 politician a canny politician you know he's very skilled at it but he's facing his own political

01:19:23.640 future and his own liberty is at stake because he's obviously at the moment able to use all

01:19:29.380 the warmongering as an excuse as he has been to keep delaying this criminal prosecution against

01:19:35.920 him, which if he's found guilty of the charges, he'll go to prison. So this is a guy fighting for

01:19:40.880 his political future. And this is a career politician who loves and craves power. And he's

01:19:46.360 fighting for his actual liberty. And both of these things seem to me to be predicated on him

01:19:52.060 continuing to attack other countries, whether it's Iran, whether it's southern Lebanon,

01:19:58.540 wherever it may be. He is using this, I think, from a personally, I'm cynical about it,

01:20:05.920 I think that there's a personal upside for Netanyahu in continuing to do these things.

01:20:10.520 And I think in the case of Ben Gavir and Smodrich, their agenda is even more insidious. I think it's

01:20:16.680 It's pretty crystal clear now that what they want to do is kick all the Palestinians out 1.00

01:20:21.720 of Gaza, out of the West Bank, and take over both of those territories completely, bring 0.98

01:20:27.120 them into Israel, and do the same with southern Lebanon.

01:20:30.080 I think they're pretty unashamed about it.

01:20:32.180 These are people, Tucker, Ben Givir on his 50th birthday several weeks ago, his wife

01:20:37.460 gave him a cake with a noose on it, and that video was put out.

01:20:41.560 He's somebody that when detainees from a flotilla, which was behaving perfectly peacefully, whatever people think of it, when a female detainee was pretty well brutalized on camera, Ben Gavir posted it to his own ex-account proudly with him smirking and encouraging it in the background.

01:21:00.720 And that was too far, even for Netanyahu, who had to condemn him for doing that.

01:21:06.080 So there's a lot going on here, a lot of personal agendas, a lot of very big picture agendas.

01:21:12.400 But the combined impact of all of this is that Israel is getting ever more unpopular.

01:21:18.220 And I know from speaking to many of my Jewish friends around the world, whether it be London,

01:21:24.060 New York, LA, or further afield, they're all very concerned about this.

01:21:29.020 So this idea that Netanyahu represents what most Jewish people think, for example, I think 0.78

01:21:34.500 is for the birds. 0.89

01:21:36.480 I'm not aware of a single Nazi official who was as openly bloodthirsty as Ben Gavir, 0.88

01:21:41.600 including Goebbels, who was a nutcase, in my opinion.

01:21:45.240 And, you know, they, of course, were all executed.

01:21:47.260 The ones who survived the war were executed at Nuremberg.

01:21:50.020 We don't actually have visibility into what's happened in Gaza because they've murdered 0.54

01:21:54.860 so many journalists and no one's allowed in to see it.

01:21:57.320 But we know over 100,000 people have been killed, most of them noncombatants, tens of thousands of women and children.

01:22:02.380 Like when all of that comes to light, which it will, I don't see how we go back to the kind of the status quo of even a year ago where normal people like me, including me, would say, no, I support Israel. 0.64

01:22:15.740 Like how could anyone support?

01:22:17.540 Once that comes out, people are going to be punished for that.

01:22:20.260 No, I think that some of these people in that government are evil.

01:22:24.780 I think Ben Gavir and Smodrich are evil people, and you just judge them on what comes out of

01:22:29.880 their mouths and their actions. And, you know, it's an interesting irony in what you just said,

01:22:34.240 because they've literally just brought in a new law in the Knesset that was celebrated by Ben

01:22:41.380 Gavir, because he drove it, and it's basically a two-tier, apartheid-style new amendment to the

01:22:48.320 law, where if they determine, the Israeli authorities, that a Palestinian is a terrorist,

01:22:53.420 they can execute them but the same rule will not apply if it's an israeli uh even though you've

01:22:59.840 seen previously you've seen israeli prime ministers murdered by right-wing israeli terrorists so in

01:23:07.500 that that killer uh who killed rabin would not be held to the same account as a palestinian they

01:23:13.300 determine has committed an act of terrorism that is exactly the kind of two-tier legal system

01:23:18.920 and apartheid system which we saw ravaging South Africa before Mandela was released from prison 0.66

01:23:26.000 and which I think is part of the ongoing problem which is what happens in the Middle East well it

01:23:31.820 all comes back to Palestine it all comes back to the view that many people around the world have

01:23:37.040 that the Palestinians have been oppressed by the Israelis and that they have been treated as

01:23:44.040 second-class, second-tier citizens. When you bring in a law that only applies to Palestinians but not

01:23:50.360 Israelis as a government, you are telling the world that not that you deny a two-tier system, 0.87

01:23:57.220 but you're actively encouraging it. So those that have been criticizing Israel for what many people

01:24:04.440 view as an occupation of Gaza, for example, they're now seeing in real time new laws being

01:24:11.380 brought in, which proved the point that the Israeli government treats Palestinians in a

01:24:17.080 different way, in a lower way, in a worse way than they would treat their own Israelis.

01:24:24.960 Remarkable. I don't think there's any coming back from this. I would just end by asking, 0.99

01:24:28.700 do you have a message for Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, who've been engaging with you quite

01:24:34.360 extensively online? What would you say to them right now? I'd say you can have all the ad hominem

01:24:40.700 attacks you like. I've been trading ad hominem blows with people for about 40 years. I used to

01:24:47.860 do it, Tucker, in my local pub in southern England and be regularly banned by the landlady Mary for

01:24:53.920 getting too garrulous on a Friday night and arguing too vehemently and getting too ad hominem.

01:25:00.500 I'm more than broad-shouldered enough to deal with what comes out of Shapiro's mouth or Levine's

01:25:06.780 mouth. I don't care. I'm quite happy to trade those kind of blows. And I find it quite enjoyable,

01:25:11.420 actually, which probably says a little about me. But the bottom line I would say to them is,

01:25:16.360 you're not winning this, you're losing. And you've put all your cards on the belief that everybody

01:25:23.520 else is going to agree with you, that if anyone criticizes the Israeli government, then they're 0.93

01:25:29.300 Nazis or they are anti-Semitic or they hate Jewish people. And that has been one of the most insidious 0.95

01:25:36.620 false claims, widely repeated by people that follow the likes of Shapiro and Levin,

01:25:43.520 certainly since October the 7th. And the idea that you cannot stand up to a government,

01:25:49.220 even if it's a government you support, it's your own government in many cases,

01:25:53.900 the idea that you can't criticise that government means you're not actually journalists. These

01:26:00.280 people can't be journalists who look at these things with an open mind and have intellectual

01:26:05.980 honesty about it, you are just partisan activists and you're propagandists for a government that is

01:26:13.080 making Israel increasingly globally unpopular. And so my message to them, not that they want to

01:26:18.600 hear it or that they will listen to me, but my message to them is I'd stop the ad hominem attacks,

01:26:24.460 stop attacking people simply for doing their job as journalists in rightly holding Netanyahu and

01:26:30.200 his government to proper account. And maybe you should start doing that too. You would be doing

01:26:35.440 Israel a favor, you'd be doing Israelis a favor, you'd be doing the world's 15 million Jewish

01:26:41.500 people a favor. If you just got off this ridiculous propaganda wall that you've been perched on for

01:26:48.040 all this time and actually started calling out what the rest of us can see is increasingly 0.88

01:26:53.460 unconscionable action. Amen. Piers Morgan, I hope they listen to you. I don't think they will,

01:26:58.980 but I hope so. They won't, but I feel better for getting it out there, Tucker.

01:27:02.620 Amen. Great to see you. Thank you for doing this.

01:27:05.240 Pleasure. Nice to talk to you.

01:27:07.160 And thanks for joining us. We will see you next Wednesday.

The Tucker Carlson Show - June 18, 2026

Trump Puts Bibi in His Place & Neocon Heads Implode Over Peace in Iran. Tucker & Piers Morgan React.

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