The Tucker Carlson Show - Trump’s Social Media Advisor Reveals All： Epstein, Iran, and Mark Levin’s Israeli Propaganda

00:00:00.000 Alex Bruce, thank you for doing this.

00:00:06.060 Very nice of you to do this.

00:00:07.980 So here's my perception.

00:00:11.160 Here's the overview.

00:00:12.020 So we're in this war.

00:00:13.780 Obviously, I disapprove.

00:00:15.180 Whatever.

00:00:15.640 I've said that many times.

00:00:16.900 Then the president decides we're getting out.

00:00:19.960 And the vice president articulates how and why.

00:00:23.980 And I couldn't be more supportive of that.

00:00:26.340 I was thrilled by that.

00:00:28.560 Thank God.

00:00:30.000 And then all of a sudden there is this just flurry of attacks on the president, but mostly on the vice president from people who don't have an alternative plan, but basically just calling the vice president to some extent the president names.

00:00:45.600 It seemed to me as an outsider, less fluent on the Internet than you are, that this is coordinated.

00:00:51.100 Like, what is this?

00:00:51.940 What are we looking at?

00:00:53.140 Well, it's a great observation.

00:00:54.000 I believe that there definitely is a coordinated effort to put pressure on the president and the administration to continue the conflict in Iran.

00:01:04.040 And I believe that there is potentially even foreign influence involved, and not just from one country.

00:01:12.240 So I think it's definitely a coordinated effort.

00:01:15.280 You're seeing a lot of these voices, they kind of move as a pocket.

00:01:18.080 They talk about a lot of the similar issues.

00:01:20.300 They oftentimes do similar paid media campaigns around other related topics.

00:01:26.380 And there's also evidence of millions and millions and millions of dollars flowing to certain right-wing influencer marketing companies from countries who might benefit from a prolonged conflict.

00:01:39.940 So I believe there's definitely a coordinated effort.

00:01:42.600 similarly right after the war was about to end or i guess the mou was coming out yes a lot of the

00:01:52.560 anti-war voices were also spreading misinformation about the deal they were pushing a line about how

00:01:59.540 united states taxpayers were somehow going to give 300 billion dollars to iran and i look at people

00:02:05.760 like uh thomas massey who's been on this program he was very quick to share the statement saying

00:02:11.840 that this MOU is terrible because we're going to give 300 billion dollars to Iran, which is not

00:02:18.000 true. It never was true. It's money that can be unlocked over time. Not a single dollar will come

00:02:23.300 from American taxpayers. But people like Massey were also spreading misinformation. So I think

00:02:28.880 that there's a lot of coordinated misinformation being spread from pro-war side and also some

00:02:36.800 anti-war critics as well. Interesting. So can I just get your take on something before we proceed

00:02:43.120 into the details of what you just alleged? You're alleging things, Alex Brusowitz, which seem true

00:02:48.760 to me, but I want to know why you think it. But first to the question of the people criticizing

00:02:54.760 the MOU. Okay. Plenty of ways to criticize the MOU, but all of that criticism I think needs to

00:03:01.920 be viewed in context of what the alternatives to the MOU might be. Like, okay, maybe you don't

00:03:06.680 like the MOU, but then, then what? Right. Did any of the people, um, in this campaign that

00:03:13.740 you're describing offer like an alternative to the MOU? Like we continue this war and then what

00:03:18.980 happens? Right. No, there's been no alternatives offered. Um, there's just straight criticism.

00:03:24.500 It's keyboard warriors. That's what we deal with. Uh, fortunately their opinions have very little

00:03:30.000 impact on the electorate, the populace. You know, we've seen polling from Daily Mail,

00:03:38.680 Fabrizio Lee, McLaughlin, all these different polls that show President Trump's MOU is widely

00:03:44.740 popular with the American people, 67%. Actually? 67%. And so- The framework of a settlement deal

00:03:52.420 with Iran, the 14 points that have been everywhere. Yes. It's 67%. 67% of Americans

00:03:59.480 who've been polled on that issue

00:04:00.800 are supportive of the Trump-Vance agreement.

00:04:05.980 But if you look at social media,

00:04:08.220 you think that nobody's in favor of it

00:04:11.140 because of coordinated influence campaigns

00:04:14.680 from unique actors and foreign parties.

00:04:19.980 Interesting.

00:04:21.140 It makes you, I'm not actually surprised

00:04:23.260 because again, you know,

00:04:26.440 they're offering no alternative to the MOU.

00:04:29.480 So if there was like some way for the United States to get more, you know, I could, I could, you know, I could see the criticism as being valid.

00:04:39.300 So I'm not surprised by that number, but I, it does make you think maybe there are other issues where our view of it is totally distorted because our view comes from social media.

00:04:48.580 Yeah, definitely. And a lot of the press rooms, they get their stories from social media. They get the producers, they get what topics they're going to discuss in their shows from social media.

00:04:59.740 Oh, for sure.

00:05:00.220 Because they think that is what people are talking about. And some people are talking about it, but in the grand scheme of things, a very small percentage of people are talking, actually talking or caring about these issues.

00:05:11.800 And so I think it's very healthy and important for Americans in our country to start pulling back from believing everything that they read on social media and start questioning a lot of the people that they're getting the information from.

00:05:26.180 And on all sides of issues, there's a lot of influence and a lot of money from special interest groups from foreign countries that have poured into Internet ecosystem.

00:05:36.100 uh and and you know i don't think it's been healthy for our democracy for our country uh

00:05:45.220 and so you know i've been working actually with congresswoman anna paulina luna uh and some other

00:05:51.340 friends in government to maybe strengthen some disclosure laws but there's a lot of influence

00:05:56.180 ops that happen on social media and you know i think for if we just continue talking about the

00:06:02.320 The war in the Middle East, for example,

00:06:05.240 there's an information op on the pro-Israel side

00:06:07.440 and there's an information op on the anti-Israel side.

00:06:11.560 Who's getting paid to be anti-Israel?

00:06:13.600 I've been very critical of Israel.

00:06:15.240 I've never taken a dollar from anybody.

00:06:17.000 We have no investors and no debt.

00:06:19.120 So I know for myself, I've never,

00:06:22.240 and I would never take money to give an opinion.

00:06:25.420 So you're not Tucker Katarlson.

00:06:28.320 I actually really like Katar a lot.

00:06:30.720 And I think the people who run it are amazing.

00:06:32.320 but I've never taken any money from Qatar and I never would.

00:06:36.260 I think it's interesting to hear you say

00:06:38.920 that there is anti-Israel commentary

00:06:42.240 that's being funded by foreign countries.

00:06:44.240 I've never heard that before.

00:06:45.480 And it also might be funded domestically.

00:06:48.840 And maybe, I'm not gonna accuse anybody of taking money.

00:06:52.980 That's not my position, right?

00:06:55.000 But I'm an expert on social media.

00:06:58.140 Yes.

00:06:58.480 early on in my career, uh, I started my company to help conservatives communicate better on social

00:07:05.360 media. Yep. And so I would identify, uh, conservatives that I wanted to work with

00:07:12.480 and I would help them grow their social media presence, oftentimes using, um, some other

00:07:18.080 people's platforms, you know, amplification or whatever. Some of those members of Congress

00:07:22.980 that I've worked with in the past, uh, Marjorie Taylor Greene. Yeah. I started working with

00:07:27.600 Marjorie Taylor Greene, she had 2,000 Twitter followers. By the time she won her election 0.82

00:07:32.240 and entered Congress that January of 2021, she had over 800,000 Twitter followers.

00:07:39.080 So in probably a nine-month period, we took her from a no-name congresswoman

00:07:42.420 or a no-name candidate to one of the most followed Republican congresswomen in America.

00:07:50.180 How do you do that?

00:07:51.500 I must admit, I'm slightly disappointed with Marjorie's recent pivot.

00:07:57.400 You know, I think that she was slightly, she felt slightly burned that people didn't support her ambitions for higher office.

00:08:06.800 She says that's not the case.

00:08:09.640 But she went from being the president's number one defender for six years, for as long as I'd known her.

00:08:15.700 She only wanted to run for Congress to get Trump's endorsement, to be Trump's number one fan, number one cheerleader.

00:08:20.900 She loved Trump. She loved Trump. And so I think that she was a little bit slighted by the president and the team not supporting her for either governor or senator or vice president or some other ambitions that she had.

00:08:37.480 And I personally also think she got bored of Congress. I think she went in with tremendous

00:08:42.980 excitement. She wanted to go there and make a difference. She wanted to go there and help

00:08:50.840 President Trump, you know, build the wall and deport illegal aliens and, you know, end foreign 0.97

00:08:56.660 aid and do all these things. And I think she got to Washington. She realized a lot of those things

00:09:00.840 are, you know, you know, the president built the wall and he stopped illegal alien invasion in

00:09:06.580 our country almost 100% since he's been in office. But a lot of the other things that she wanted to

00:09:11.060 do when you get to Congress, you realize it's almost impossible. And you realize that you're

00:09:15.500 one of 435 people and you see people on Fox News, a congressman on Fox News, they talk a tough game.

00:09:21.320 Well, I can write this letter. I can do this. I can hold this person accountable. But you realize

00:09:25.360 the congressman doesn't actually have any authority. So I think she went there having a

00:09:29.620 different understanding of how much power she could actually have and how much change she could

00:09:35.040 actually make realized it was a system that was very difficult to change got burned out and it's

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00:11:26.640 I think there's probably a lot of, I don't know,

00:11:28.780 not my job to speak for her.

00:11:30.780 I think it's obviously 0.72

00:11:32.780 true that she was frustrated as hell by Congress 0.91

00:11:35.000 because it's frustrating as hell. I don't think she

00:11:36.940 liked the leadership at all. She said that

00:11:39.020 while she was there.

00:11:41.060 She loved Trump. There's no doubt about

00:11:43.040 that. They also had

00:11:44.400 substantive, not fake, but

00:11:46.740 substantive policy disagreements

00:11:48.720 that are just real. There's no way around

00:11:50.840 that on the war on Epstein.

00:11:52.900 those are real things. And I think you can make a case for, you know, everyone's individual

00:11:57.900 perspective, but I also think it's fair to say we just disagree. Yeah. And they do disagree.

00:12:01.920 Well, I think, so you asked me how we took Marjorie from 2,000 to 800,000.

00:12:06.180 Well, how does the process work? Not just Marjorie, but like, how does the process work?

00:12:09.660 So I wanted to explain that to you. So with Marjorie, for example, she pushed the limits.

00:12:16.840 you know she she the most viral ad that we did for her that campaign cycle she 0.96

00:12:22.300 was standing on her front porch in Georgia right after the Antifa riots 0.90

00:12:27.220 broke out in the summer of 2020 and Marjorie you know she was early 40s you 0.75

00:12:33.580 know little blonde girl standing on her porch with a with a gun and she says my 1.00

00:12:39.040 message to Antifa terrorists stay the hell out of Northwest Georgia and she 1.00

00:12:43.120 loads a gun that was filmed on a cell phone might have spent 10 minutes producing the whole thing

00:12:50.240 that that that video went bonkers tens of millions of views and then this was in the pre-elon era of

00:12:59.360 twitter and twitter banned the video for promoting violence facebook banned it uh but then fox

00:13:07.240 actually to their credit they showed the censorship censorship of hat that was happening to to marjorie

00:13:13.240 um on on the social media platform so she was on fox and friends that next morning

00:13:18.200 she was on late night uh she was primetime fox later that day she got her accounts back

00:13:22.900 and she gained like 300 000 followers off of one moment yeah i was i was involved i remember and so

00:13:30.040 and so she was and then a lot of right-wing accounts started defending her this is terrible

00:13:37.120 go follow Marjorie Taylor Greene, go support Marjorie Taylor Greene. And these are all mega

00:13:40.960 people. These are all President Trump supporters. These are all mega people. And I think that's why

00:13:44.900 so many people are frustrated by her pivot. And yes, you can have policy disagreements,

00:13:51.980 but I think there's a difference between having policy disagreements and making accusations.

00:13:55.720 And she's not the only one. These people accusing the president-

00:13:57.980 Well, I mean, hold on. I mean, I love Marjorie. So, I mean, and that's well known. I love Marjorie

00:14:03.560 taylor green and i think she's a sincere person there i don't understand every nuance but i but

00:14:08.800 i do think it's an we don't have to like come up with we can like understand people's motives as

00:14:14.840 they explain them and she's like i you know i think you should be doing this and the administration

00:14:18.820 thinks they should be doing that and like that's fair no sure i definitely agree i definitely agree

00:14:23.520 that that's fair but then there's the extra there's the extracurriculars there's the and it's

00:14:28.980 not marjorie i don't actually speak on marjorie for this but there's a lot of these people who used

00:14:32.760 to be Trump fans. And they were Trump fans up until nine months ago, 10 months ago. And they

00:14:39.680 used the Epstein thing as the pretext of why they're no longer Trump fans. And I think that's

00:14:43.520 incredibly unfair. I think the president is the only reason we have Epstein files. Trump's

00:14:48.460 administration in the first term arrested Jeffrey Epstein. You know, he put him in bars, behind bars,

00:14:53.840 put him in jail. And yes, he died in jail. Do I think it was a suicide? You know, I'm probably

00:15:00.380 with the internet on this one, but the president arrested him. He took him off the streets so he

00:15:07.760 couldn't hurt any more people. And then he campaigned in 2024 and people said, oh, well,

00:15:14.160 Trump campaigned on the Epstein files. No, actually he didn't campaign on that. He was

00:15:17.720 asked by Lex Friedman, interesting character. He said, will you release the Epstein files?

00:15:21.840 Trump said, yeah, I'd be inclined to do so. And then he did it. And guys like Thomas Massey

00:15:28.600 like to take the credit for the release of the Epstein files. But during four years of Joe

00:15:33.820 Biden, the Biden Department of Justice was sitting on these files. How many times did Massey tweet

00:15:38.920 about Epstein? Zero. Not a single time for four years of Biden. And so a lot of people see, you

00:15:44.840 know, some of these guys now, and Massey's never liked the president. Like Trump endorsing against

00:15:50.140 Massey in this election isn't the response to him being critical of Epstein. Trump endorsed

00:15:55.400 against Massey in 2020. Trump's never liked Massey. And, you know, he's an acquired taste.

00:16:02.560 Not everybody likes Thomas Massey. Right. But it wasn't a response. He didn't lash out at Massey

00:16:07.680 and endorse this guy against him because of the Epstein files. He's never liked Massey. Massey's

00:16:12.520 always been a thorn in some capacity. And so there was no cover up. And I think people who

00:16:20.440 suggest that there was a cover-up are not being honest. Could you disagree with the messaging

00:16:26.900 rollout, the media rollout, the former attorney general strategy around it? Absolutely. I wasn't

00:16:33.280 particularly thrilled about the binders. I didn't, nobody know what the hell the binders came from,

00:16:37.660 all right? But the president did not participate in a cover-up. In fact, he's the only reason

00:16:43.240 that these documents are out.

00:16:45.760 And he's also exonerated by it.

00:16:48.780 There's 3 million documents that have been released.

00:16:51.560 Not a single person can point to,

00:16:53.260 oh, Donald Trump did something wrong.

00:16:55.440 You know, the people who did do something wrong

00:16:56.960 or appear to have done something wrong

00:16:59.340 are guys like Reid Hoffman.

00:17:01.100 Would I like the Department of Justice

00:17:02.440 to go after Reid Hoffman?

00:17:04.000 Yeah, I probably would.

00:17:05.800 How about just call him in for questioning?

00:17:07.760 I would support that, absolutely.

00:17:09.400 I wonder why that hasn't happened.

00:17:11.200 Well, maybe it will.

00:17:12.700 Maybe it will.

00:17:14.140 But I think that, I think that the, I think giving control of the government process to a handful of hysterics on social media is bad.

00:17:28.580 I think it was bad for Epstein, with the Epstein files.

00:17:31.620 I think it's bad right now for all of the hawks who are continuing to press the administration to continue to work.

00:17:36.920 I would also say, though, that the attorney general at the time, Pam Bondi, gave an interview on Fox in which she said, I have thousands of files on my desk that show sexual abuse of kids.

00:17:48.640 She said that.

00:17:49.560 That's the attorney general of the United States.

00:17:51.140 And I've always liked Pam Bondi.

00:17:53.700 It's not personal.

00:17:55.220 But the attorney general says that and then no one gets indicted for it.

00:17:57.900 You're like, you're the attorney general.

00:17:59.140 You're the chief law enforcement officer of the nation.

00:18:01.340 What the hell are you talking about?

00:18:02.740 I didn't hear the sexual abuse of kids part, but I did hear her say that I have these documents 0.98

00:18:06.360 on my desk. Should she have said that? You know, probably not. Or maybe she should say it. By the

00:18:13.920 way, I was glad that she said it. It wasn't that she said it. I want more disclosure. I want to

00:18:17.660 know what the government is doing. That's my right since I own the freaking government, 0.95

00:18:20.880 not Pam Bondi. I'm a citizen. But anyway, I just, where's the follow-up? If you have the evidence, 0.93

00:18:27.380 you told us you had the evidence, where are the arrests? Well, it's a great question.

00:18:31.940 you know and i think that a lot of people uh are asking the same thing but the accusation that the

00:18:37.500 president was involved in a nefarious cover-up that's completely uh ludicrous i think people

00:18:43.360 like reed hoffman should absolutely be brought in for questioning and perhaps it will happen i think

00:18:47.380 reed hoffman is one of the worst characters in america not just for that he was also a financier

00:18:52.300 of eugene carroll if you remember her the woman who accused president trump of of uh you know

00:18:58.300 harassing her in the 80s or 90s?

00:19:01.340 Well, I'm pretty sure, I can't prove it, 0.99

00:19:03.480 but I'm pretty sure that he helped suck me

00:19:05.920 into a lawsuit I had nothing to do with 0.91

00:19:07.660 and tried to destroy my life.

00:19:09.540 I've never met the guy.

00:19:10.420 I got nothing to do with him.

00:19:11.480 I was just giving opinions he doesn't like.

00:19:13.240 So I get it.

00:19:15.600 But look, if you want people to trust the government,

00:19:18.160 we need more disclosure, more follow-up.

00:19:20.600 I mean, that's true of every administration,

00:19:22.340 including this one.

00:19:23.180 And like, I don't know.

00:19:25.040 uh from my perspective it's the war yeah it's the war that I I talked to Trump multiple times

00:19:32.440 about Epstein my advice to him which he ignored was this has really nothing to do with you it's

00:19:36.820 like Reid Hoffman reassure people by like bringing the guilty to justice or at least

00:19:41.200 investigating it in a transparent way didn't happen but I didn't really say anything about

00:19:45.860 it in public it was the war that just absolutely distressed me and I've talked about it wait

00:19:51.920 probably too much already but when trump you know ate this you know basically said we're going to do

00:19:59.720 things we don't want to do because it's in the best interest of the country this mou no one wants

00:20:04.200 the mou but it's better than the alternative i admired that i said so and i immediately see 0.93

00:20:09.780 these people who were like trump's best friends true maga people like mark levin and the rest

00:20:14.860 like they're the true maga you can't get anywhere near maga you don't know what maga is like okay

00:20:20.100 all of a sudden they're like Trump's a bigot or whatever you know what I mean or J.D. Vance is an

00:20:26.740 anti-Semite that's where you know I was like I thought that was most interesting thing I've ever 0.84

00:20:34.340 seen yeah it was certainly coordinated absolutely and so by whom it's a good question there's people

00:20:40.560 that certainly speculate uh and look I think Mark Levin I think he's friends with the president

00:20:47.440 and maybe, maybe he's friends with the president, but Mark Levin was a guy.

00:20:51.340 I don't think Trump likes Mark Levin at all.

00:20:52.860 Mark Levin was somebody who opposed Trump in 2016.

00:20:55.280 Yeah.

00:20:55.940 He actually encouraged his audience in 2016 to stay home.

00:20:59.060 Don't vote in the general election.

00:21:01.020 He was a DeSantis supporter in 2024.

00:21:04.200 So he's not like this ultra MAGA guy.

00:21:06.700 And so it's a little frustrating.

00:21:08.320 Look, I've disagreed strongly with many statements that you've made recently.

00:21:11.300 And so all these coordinated accounts, right?

00:21:13.420 they're saying, Alex, you call out Mark Levin, but you don't call out Tucker. Why? And I, to be

00:21:19.160 honest, I think that's kind of a fair point. You've criticized the president and I haven't called you

00:21:23.140 out. And I haven't called you out for a couple of reasons. Call me out. On social media, because I

00:21:26.460 know you personally. Yeah. And I'd rather have a conversation with you about what I disagree,

00:21:30.440 where I disagree on in person, rather than being a keyboard warrior. I don't know Mark Levin

00:21:34.660 personally. So I have a philosophy in my life. If I don't know you personally, I can hit you on

00:21:39.460 social media if i don't i'll have a conversation to your face i generally agree with that so

00:21:43.660 you know uh early on when the war started there was predictions by some voices including you

00:21:50.340 that striking iran could lead to world war three uh you know voices like ian carroll who's also

00:21:57.620 been on the program predicted that we put ground troops uh in iran by now those predictions haven't

00:22:03.980 haven't materialized.

00:22:05.800 And so I think, you know, saying that

00:22:09.580 it would be important to the audience.

00:22:11.740 I think there's a lot of hysterics

00:22:13.000 on both sides of the issue.

00:22:14.700 Early on, it was-

00:22:15.760 The president threatened to eliminate

00:22:16.940 the civilization of Iran.

00:22:19.760 So that would qualify as World War III.

00:22:22.860 He threatened to put ground troops

00:22:23.960 on the Karg Island and mainland Iran

00:22:26.220 many, many, many times on True Social.

00:22:28.540 I've been reading it for three months.

00:22:30.980 None of that happened.

00:22:32.480 I'm so grateful.

00:22:33.980 i'm not a i don't care i don't i'll just say it didn't happen because it didn't it didn't not

00:22:39.580 happen because of pushback of voices like ian carroll and then they come out and they take

00:22:44.440 a victory lap and say see you know we prevented this from nobody's listening to the grifters on

00:22:50.580 the pro-war side or the anti-war side well let me just correct the record and say i i've i am under

00:22:56.880 no illusions about my power i don't seem to have any power to change any of it unfortunately i think

00:23:02.960 you have a very powerful voice no i don't no i i argued with trump no for a you know 10 years

00:23:09.260 against doing this he took other counsel that shows you how much power i have zero and so i

00:23:15.820 was not able to prevent this and i don't think i had any role in ending it so i just want you to

00:23:21.560 know like i don't think i had any effect but i i just think that i just think that um the hysterics

00:23:29.080 started off as being the anti-war hysterics.

00:23:32.900 And maybe they had reason to be.

00:23:34.540 You know, the president's position on Iran,

00:23:36.380 I don't believe has changed.

00:23:37.740 For 30 years, you can find statements of him saying

00:23:40.160 Iran should never have a nuclear weapon. 0.88

00:23:42.700 In 90 days, he delivered on that promise.

00:23:44.960 He struck him.

00:23:45.960 Okay, 90 days later, MOU says

00:23:48.280 Iran will not seek nuclear enrichment.

00:23:50.540 He never wanted to do a forever war.

00:23:52.200 He never was going to put boots on the ground.

00:23:53.920 If he has to, I'm sure he will.

00:23:55.760 But I don't think we have to.

00:23:57.160 um but but his position hasn't changed he also is against forever wars he's always been against

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00:26:09.020 Can I ask you,

00:26:10.360 so it was a year ago

00:26:12.240 that the president and Levin

00:26:15.100 were at some event

00:26:15.940 and Levin goes and basically

00:26:17.220 puts him in a headlock.

00:26:19.260 Donald Trump is much larger,

00:26:20.700 a big man. 0.94

00:26:21.500 Levin is a dwarfish man. 0.95

00:26:23.500 So he kind of leans up 1.00

00:26:24.640 and pulls him down like that.

00:26:25.820 Yeah.

00:26:26.480 And the president,

00:26:27.800 well, first of all,

00:26:28.180 he's the president, okay?

00:26:29.600 Second, he's famously not the guy

00:26:31.100 you put in a headlock.

00:26:31.960 He's not into it.

00:26:32.800 Or a hub.

00:26:33.520 Yeah.

00:26:34.140 He's just not into it.

00:26:35.380 Yeah.

00:26:36.180 And Levin does that.

00:26:38.060 And so,

00:26:38.900 and the message, of course,

00:26:39.880 is like, you know,

00:26:41.200 you're my boy.

00:26:42.040 I control you, right?

00:26:43.600 I was disgusted by it.

00:26:44.780 But whatever.

00:26:46.500 That happens

00:26:47.680 in,

00:26:48.280 And so you look at it and you're like, okay, and then Trump tweets like, if you want to get the real truth, watch Mark Levin's lowly rated show on Fox weekends.

00:26:57.140 And so all of a sudden he just like pivots in one day and starts saying things that are true, in my view, brave.

00:27:06.080 I'm cheering Trump when he says this and he's like, oh, we're out.

00:27:09.020 This is too much.

00:27:09.640 Can't deal with it.

00:27:10.120 We're going to run out of oil.

00:27:11.500 You're not going to be able to get gasoline.

00:27:13.240 Like that's terrible for America.

00:27:14.420 We're stopping.

00:27:14.900 what caused that change i believe he felt the mission was accomplished and it goes back to

00:27:22.520 the fact that he is not somebody who wants forever wars he's not somebody who wants forever conflict

00:27:27.640 he felt that he was able to deliver on his campaign promise of preventing iran from ever

00:27:34.460 having a nuclear weapon in a little over 90 days and we have the iranians now at the table

00:27:41.780 negotiating a deal with J.D. Vance and our team. And I think the president is happy where things

00:27:50.080 lay. And now he's, now people on, you know, Mark Levin crowd, who were the president's biggest

00:27:57.880 cheerleaders, are now opposed to what he's doing because they have different, they have a different

00:28:02.740 agenda for Iran. They have a different vision for how to handle Iran. And I think that's wrong.

00:28:08.480 But the president's position has been consistent for, you can find videos of him in 1987 saying

00:28:13.320 Iran should never have a nuclear weapon.

00:28:16.040 And he was given certain intelligence, how to take it out.

00:28:21.340 And he did.

00:28:22.540 And he eliminated their Navy.

00:28:23.760 That intelligence did not come from the United States.

00:28:25.820 He eliminated the Navy.

00:28:27.880 He eliminated their air force.

00:28:29.480 And he has got them at the table to ensure that they never have a nuclear weapon.

00:28:33.740 But this was my complaint from the beginning.

00:28:35.040 I'm not here to defend the IC, our 18 intelligence agencies, but like there was no American

00:28:41.060 intelligence that said Iran was on the brink of building a nuclear weapon.

00:28:44.020 That came from Israel and they lie and they lied to Trump.

00:28:47.540 And I told him that, you know, before this started, because it was obvious. 0.91

00:28:51.520 So like, why would the United States ever rely on Israeli intelligence again if they 0.81

00:28:56.080 just lied us into a war that got a bunch of Americans killed and that raised gas prices?

00:29:01.780 It's very sad to see the loss of the soldiers' lives, and I know the president was certainly upset about that.

00:29:09.460 Look, I think that the president accomplished his goal there, and with the MOU, I think people are confident we're in a good spot.

00:29:18.420 I think the president obviously will reserve the right to respond again with military action if he feels like things are going sideways.

00:29:24.540 um but look i i think the president is now focused the president is focused on domestic issues

00:29:31.340 lowering gas prices lowering economic prices uh bring job opportunities back home i think the

00:29:38.020 foreign excursions have been successful um and now it's time to focus on on home um you know

00:29:45.860 on the israeli points again like i think this proves that the president isn't a slave to israel

00:29:52.580 uh apparently or he's broken free he's broken his fetters you know i don't think i support i don't

00:30:01.000 i don't think the president was ever a slave to israel and i think characterizing it as that was

00:30:05.660 was not fair you know uh i'm friends with uh eight years ago i became friends with bb netanyahu's

00:30:12.260 son yair yeah he's a nice guy there was a moment in time fighting in lebanon right now i actually

00:30:17.860 haven't talked to him in a while maybe oh i think he's in miami but whatever okay i don't think he's

00:30:21.560 i invited him to my wedding so for the people who call me anti-semitic i invited the prime minister

00:30:25.960 they're calling you anti-semitic now so i invited the prime minister of israel's son to my wedding

00:30:30.720 because you know and and he's a friend of mine yeah but there was a moment in time where i know

00:30:36.720 where the record the president after the 2020 election and you know didn't have a great

00:30:44.020 relationship with bb uh bb was the first world leader to congratulate joe biden i remember

00:30:51.120 After the rigged 2020 election.

00:30:54.340 And I think that's made people feel, you know, a little bit different about that relationship.

00:31:01.280 The president now has a great working relationship with him, but he's certainly not a slave to Bibi or a slave to Israel.

00:31:08.000 And I think people who suggest that are not being fair.

00:31:12.200 Look, I've been unfair many times in my life, and I've overstated things dramatically many times, and I certainly have been mean.

00:31:19.340 and i really regret that so i just want to offer another blanket apology for my bad behavior

00:31:24.280 those are my main sins but i still don't get it why if no one in your cabinet is enthusiastic

00:31:32.760 about this no one in your intel services says yes they're on the brink of like sending a nuclear

00:31:39.480 tipped icbm into miami if all of them like that's not true you turn and you take israeli intelligence

00:31:45.940 which is like fraudulent,

00:31:48.040 obviously fraudulent,

00:31:49.000 and act on that.

00:31:50.680 What is that?

00:31:51.580 It also goes back to instincts.

00:31:53.060 Again, the president has been

00:31:53.960 on this position for 30 years.

00:31:56.080 And we had a war in June

00:31:57.320 that he said ended

00:31:58.120 the Iran nuclear program.

00:31:59.380 I was, I talked to him

00:32:00.140 constantly about that.

00:32:01.100 And he's like, no, no, we're done.

00:32:02.220 We're done.

00:32:03.280 And then a few months later,

00:32:04.520 we're like ramping up for another war.

00:32:06.420 And I was like, well,

00:32:06.920 I thought we eliminated that.

00:32:09.520 Well, you can see why I'd be mystified.

00:32:12.000 Sure.

00:32:12.380 Slavery was the most obvious explanation, 0.87

00:32:14.880 but maybe I'm,

00:32:15.940 wrong. It's certainly not slavery. It's certainly not slavery. I think it's the president's instincts

00:32:20.280 and the president, the president wanted to do it. And so he did it. And, you know, there's this

00:32:25.560 report that he's telling people, I'm president and you're not, right? So, you know, you have

00:32:29.420 people on your team. Sometimes you listen to them. Sometimes you don't. Sometimes you take their,

00:32:33.980 you want their opinion. Sometimes you don't. And, you know, you do it with your show. I do it with

00:32:38.360 my company. I totally agree. Well, that's clearly true. It was the president's instincts. It

00:32:41.880 certainly wasn't blackmail related to Epstein. It certainly wasn't being a slave to a foreign

00:32:48.820 country. So I think that... But I felt that I respect Trump's instincts. They made him president

00:32:53.480 twice. He's had an amazing life. And I think it's been on the basis of his instincts. So I have

00:33:00.060 maximum respect for Trump's instincts and for his understanding of people and for power dynamics.

00:33:04.440 Like the guy has got like x-ray vision. He's not good on details sometimes, but he's incredibly

00:33:10.440 precise in his big picture understanding of people. And I felt that he went against his

00:33:16.440 own instincts in launching this war. He knew the risks. He's, you know, he's not a crazy risk

00:33:21.600 taker. Actually, he talks a big game. This is my analysis anyway, but he's not actually that

00:33:26.260 reckless. Really? I mean, he's been successful. You can't live for 80 years and be that reckless,

00:33:30.120 right? This was really reckless. And I felt that it was, he didn't want to do it. I can't read his

00:33:36.080 soul. Like maybe he really secretly did want to do it. That was definitely not my impression,

00:33:39.220 and having talked to him a lot about it.

00:33:41.160 So then I'm like, okay, you didn't want to do it.

00:33:43.140 No one around you wanted to do it.

00:33:44.400 Why'd you do it?

00:33:45.480 I believe the president did want to eliminate

00:33:47.140 their nuclear capabilities.

00:33:49.080 And he also eliminated their ability to have a Navy

00:33:52.020 and an Air Force and a missile program.

00:33:56.000 So, you know, he did it.

00:33:59.120 And now the excursion,

00:34:01.380 I don't even like to call it a war

00:34:02.360 because it was a 90-day blip.

00:34:05.720 And yes, we sadly lost some lives

00:34:07.940 and God rest their souls.

00:34:09.980 But the excursion as, you know,

00:34:12.660 it appears to be coming to an end.

00:34:14.000 And I can't imagine that these hysterical voices

00:34:17.580 on social media are going to prolong it.

00:34:23.380 So, yeah, I mean, that's really it.

00:34:25.720 I mean, I've given my,

00:34:26.580 we differ in our analysis of the war,

00:34:28.860 but I don't want to argue about it.

00:34:31.520 What I want to understand is how public opinion

00:34:34.620 on the question is shaped.

00:34:35.880 and you're one of the experts on this topic we'll love to dive in on this one okay so um

00:34:44.100 and by the way if you ever discover that anti-war sentiment is being funded by a foreign power text

00:34:49.620 me because i'd love to know who's paying for it how i can get on that payroll i think you're doing

00:34:55.100 okay this studio is great it's so fun this is our we had this long before the show this is just our

00:35:01.360 family barn. But so there's that. But I certainly, the let's prolong the war on behalf of the

00:35:09.860 Netanyahu regime, that does seem to be funded by somebody because that's not an organic position

00:35:15.360 in the United States. There's not, as you said, 67% in favor of the MOU. So like there's a

00:35:19.900 groundswell of public support for following this lunatic path even further. So who is paying for

00:35:27.080 that? Uh, that's a great question. And, and for getting foreign influence out of the political

00:35:34.120 ecosystem, specifically online is a very, it's a passion project of mine. Uh, you know, I am

00:35:40.200 Trump social media guy. That's what I'm branded in the press. So you can only imagine the type

00:35:45.880 of money that these countries and other companies have tried to throw at me. I do not take any

00:35:50.960 foreign money. I don't take any money from the Gulf countries. I don't take any money from India.

00:35:56.020 I don't take any money from Russia, China, no foreign countries.

00:36:00.940 How much did you make if you wanted to?

00:36:03.600 I've probably rejected close to $20 million in contracts over the last 15 months. 0.99

00:36:09.240 Damn. 0.99

00:36:09.960 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:10.360 How old are you?

00:36:11.100 I'm 29.

00:36:12.240 That takes some restraint.

00:36:13.580 So, you know, it's, I've had some, I've had a really interesting career.

00:36:19.960 I've made some money.

00:36:21.100 I made no money.

00:36:22.040 I made, you know, and I'm not really focused on money.

00:36:24.560 And I think that's what separates me from a lot of my colleagues or competitors, if you will, in Washington.

00:36:32.920 However, I've actually never shared this publicly.

00:36:36.920 In June of 2025, mid-June, shortly after the first Iran strike happened, I got a message from a friend.

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00:36:48.720 He said, Alex, great news from Israel.

00:36:51.180 And I want to read the message so I don't butcher anything that was said.

00:36:59.000 At 2.47 on June 16, 2025.

00:37:03.420 Good news from Israel. 0.92

00:37:05.520 They have budget for the American market to make a strategy and social network against Iran.

00:37:12.420 I talked about you and they want to work with you. 0.83

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00:37:17.260 Call me when you can, and I'll tell you all of the details.

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00:39:05.120 So in June of 2025, it is documented that an Israeli foundation wanted to hire me, an American social media strategist.

00:39:17.020 Trump's social media strategist.

00:39:18.220 Trump's social media strategist to help disseminate information related to Iran.

00:39:24.160 I never got on the phone call, so I don't know exactly what they were looking to get amplified.

00:39:29.680 But I didn't do it.

00:39:32.880 What was the foundation? Do you know?

00:39:35.120 The foundation was never specified.

00:39:38.520 However, two months later,

00:39:42.740 an organization run by President Trump's former digital guy,

00:39:48.700 who the president hasn't talked to in six plus years, Brad Parscale,

00:39:52.720 ended up filing a FAR contract with the state of Israel

00:39:58.180 for $1.5 million a month.

00:40:02.640 A month?

00:40:03.680 A month.

00:40:04.120 uh which in comparison brian ballard who is potentially the top lobbyist in washington dc

00:40:13.240 charges the country of saudi arabia 60 000 a month brad parscale has no experience being a lobbyist

00:40:20.460 and he certainly isn't selling access to the president because the guy's got zero access to

00:40:25.260 the president so two months after i was reached out to to work on an israeli social media campaign

00:40:32.840 related to Iran, Brad gets this social media contract with Israel, paid through by a German

00:40:42.760 entity called Havis Media Group. And I'm going to read you a part of Brad's initial FAR filing

00:40:52.860 related to his deliverables

00:40:58.160 for this particular contract.

00:41:01.340 It says, quote,

00:41:04.000 production and delivery

00:41:06.040 of a minimum

00:41:07.060 of 100 root creative assets per month,

00:41:13.220 spanning video, audio, graphic,

00:41:15.380 and written formats.

00:41:17.580 Creation of 5,000 monthly variants

00:41:20.580 of creative,

00:41:21.280 At least 80% of content is tailored to Gen Z audiences across platforms, including TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, podcasts, and other relevant digital and broadcast outlets.

00:41:35.080 Integration, oh here's the kicker, integration of narrative messaging into Salem Media Network properties and aligned distribution channels.

00:41:45.700 And then lastly on this section, paid media campaigns delivering a minimum of 50 million impressions per month with a target average CPM under USD $2 across the combined budget pool.

00:42:02.420 So that's what the FAR filing says.

00:42:07.920 Wow.

00:42:09.380 That's what it says.

00:42:10.580 And so that means that the Israeli government is paying Brad Parscale to spread its propaganda in the United States through various vectors, most of whom are MAGA influencer types.

00:42:23.260 So it doesn't specify MAGA influencer types actually in that contract.

00:42:27.860 I just don't know what he's getting paid $1.5 million a month for.

00:42:31.380 And actually the most recent report that I saw on Twitter, on X, sorry, sorry for deadnaming it, it's very offensive.

00:42:41.180 Let's see.

00:42:43.160 This was reported by a gentleman named Nick Cleveland Stout.

00:42:49.660 Never heard of this guy.

00:42:50.360 but he sent an updated filing that he found from that shows the Israeli government is now paying

00:42:57.300 former Trump campaign manager and Salem media executive Brad Parscale $46 million in one year

00:43:03.820 and he also adds for some perspective Saudi Arabia pays Ballard one of the most connected

00:43:08.620 firms in Trump's Washington $60,000 a month. 46 million? That's what it says.

00:43:15.020 so who's on salem media network well so i don't want to speculate or accuse anybody no i just

00:43:22.880 want because the fair filing says but we'll disseminate our propaganda through salem so i

00:43:26.940 just that's what it says right yeah so josh hammer i'm not sure if you're familiar with him he's a

00:43:32.800 very um he's got a very low-rated podcast he's yes uh i think he's a columnist he was i've never

00:43:39.680 heard of josh hammer until that he started hassling charlie kirk but yeah he was a big

00:43:44.420 desantis supporter he's at salem media network he's one of the loudest critics against the iran

00:43:49.460 war you have people like larry elder which is surprising you know because larry elder is

00:43:54.180 typically a pro-trump cheerleader uh he's been very critical of the iran war there's a lot of

00:44:01.020 other these radio hosts who are syndicated on salem who have been opposed hugh hewitt obviously

00:44:07.780 But Hugh, you know, Hugh's always appreciated war, to be honest.

00:44:12.960 So I don't think his positions have changed.

00:44:15.700 So it says right there in the contract, in this initial filing, that he's integrating messaging into Salem Properties.

00:44:23.460 Salem also owns Red State, Town Hall, Podcast Network.

00:44:27.620 They also have an influencer network.

00:44:30.480 So, like, I would love to know what Brad is actually doing with this money.

00:44:35.760 you know there's you know there's uh i know certainly the part of the project is to help

00:44:40.980 coach ai chatbots into being more pro-israel less anti-semitic uh and and you know look i think the

00:44:51.240 anti i think there has been a rise of anti-semitism in the country you went disagree with me i think

00:44:55.760 anti-semitism uh is high it's wrong you know i see some some incidents in brooklyn i think it's

00:45:02.480 wrong i think hate against any religious group i couldn't agree more i've said that many times so

00:45:06.900 i'm not opposed to opposing bb's foreign policy is not anti-semitism i'm not opposed to brad

00:45:12.020 getting paid to combat anti-semitism but what does that mean well that's it what does that mean

00:45:17.480 what what are the deliverables anti-white hate is encoded in the u.s legal code when hate against

00:45:24.480 white men is like the foundational fact of college admissions federal contracting hiring

00:45:31.140 and we're spending all of our time

00:45:33.640 worried about whether people

00:45:34.900 are being rude to Bill Ackman,

00:45:37.100 like this is just a misalignment.

00:45:39.340 This is not reality.

00:45:40.440 Okay.

00:45:40.580 So I also want to just add for context

00:45:42.700 to the viewers and the people

00:45:44.300 who are going to clip this,

00:45:45.060 that Israel isn't the only country

00:45:46.680 that has paid for influencer support

00:45:48.500 in America.

00:45:48.700 I'm sure that's right.

00:45:49.920 Ukraine has paid a ton.

00:45:51.600 You know, there was recently

00:45:52.800 a field trip with a bunch of

00:45:54.280 right-wing influencers, if you will,

00:45:56.060 who visited Russia.

00:45:57.420 So I don't think that they paid

00:45:59.260 for that trip out of their own pocket.

00:46:00.760 I don't know. And so, you know, they went to Russia, they go hang out with the Russians and whatever. I don't have, I don't pay your own. I don't have particular issues with people visiting a country. Right. My issues lie in, do you visit the country and then change the way you, you speak about the country or use your platform to talk about the country?

00:46:19.460 uh you know qatar had a similar situation during december some influencers who are used to be

00:46:27.400 opponents to qatar they flew to qatar in december and then they did some beautiful posts about qatar

00:46:32.800 i also think that's wrong my position is if it's israel if it's qatar if it's russia if it's china

00:46:40.000 if it's india you should not be able to pay i don't think qatar paid the influencers i think

00:46:46.460 They came on a trip and then they posted nice things about the country.

00:46:50.020 I still think there should be some level of disclosure around that.

00:46:53.600 I don't care what country it is.

00:46:54.960 You should be disclosing if you are in any way, shape, or form promoting the interests of another different country.

00:47:02.200 I think that's right.

00:47:03.820 My focus recently has been on Israel because of this massive contract that they've engaged in with Brad.

00:47:13.100 then nobody knows what the hell he's doing with the 46 million dollars so i texted him to find

00:47:17.780 out because a lot of that money has gone to attacking me and my family which obviously i

00:47:21.920 resent though i try not to think about it too much don't want to become what they call you

00:47:26.060 but anyway he never i know brad perscale i've always felt sorry for him yeah i still do

00:47:31.380 he's a troubled man but i did think he would at least respond to my text he didn't yeah so i i

00:47:38.460 have you called him no i haven't called him and he hasn't called me he responded to one of my

00:47:42.260 tweets, he responded to my tweet saying that, um, cause I asked him, I said, Hey, Hey, Brad,

00:47:46.660 like what's up with this? Why are so many Salem media personalities trashing president Trump's

00:47:51.200 war? Uh, here's, here's the far filing saying that you're going to integrate messaging into

00:47:59.820 Salem media properties. And Brad responded, you know, Brad responded to me and he said,

00:48:06.400 Alex, I actually want to thank you for bringing this up. I don't know who pissed in your Cheerios

00:48:13.780 this morning, but what you're looking at was an original draft, not what happened. We never

00:48:19.060 executed that plan. We never paid hosts or influencers to say anything. That's the beauty

00:48:24.600 of FARA. The receipts exist. Well, the only receipt that exists right now is Brad's initial contract

00:48:32.160 where it says, point blank,

00:48:34.380 we're going to integrate messaging.

00:48:35.740 So he's saying he's not doing it.

00:48:36.800 So what is he doing with this $46 million?

00:48:41.920 You're in this business.

00:48:44.260 Obviously, you're one of the most famous people

00:48:45.840 in the business.

00:48:47.120 You may be the most famous person in the business.

00:48:49.320 Have you ever heard of anybody getting $46 million

00:48:51.120 from a single client?

00:48:52.520 No, and even his $1.5 million a month,

00:48:54.840 his initial FARA filing,

00:48:55.880 I believe is the single largest FARA,

00:48:58.620 single FARA filing for one entity.

00:49:01.560 in history really i have no perspective okay so that's that's crazy if you ask chat gpt or

00:49:07.880 whatever chat platform you use i prefer grok to be honest yes you know because i trust elon more

00:49:11.840 than i trust altman but uh but i asked grok what's the largest far filing for one entity to date

00:49:19.820 and it came back with some nine million dollar contract that i think nigeria paid i don't know

00:49:25.040 what the hell nigeria needs to do but you know they paid it so one country nine million dollars

00:49:29.620 Brad's initial contract, 1.5 million a month. You do the math was at 15 million a year. 0.97

00:49:34.380 Now it's up to 46 million, according to a recent report. And again, they're not paying him for his

00:49:41.880 relationships in the White House. I don't think Brad Parscale could get a meeting in the West

00:49:47.080 Wing to save his life, specifically not in the Oval Office. You know, I don't think people still

00:49:53.080 remember what he did during the 2020 election. Okay. And, but he's going around different

00:49:59.300 countries. And if you pull up his website, it's called clocktowerx.com. It, he spells out exactly

00:50:06.100 the services that his company offers. And so, you know, I think that he should clear the air

00:50:11.820 on the, on the services that he's providing for these foreign countries. I'm going to go to his

00:50:18.800 website right now, clocktowerx.com. It starts off with a header that says, narrative infrastructure.

00:50:27.580 The system already shapes what people believe. We help determine who prevails. Elections,

00:50:33.840 narratives, markets, we don't react. We shape the conditions they operate in.

00:50:39.060 Talks about how they've had $2 billion plus in influenced outcomes. No clue what that means.

00:50:43.940 It says that they work in 10 plus countries. They're deployed in 10 plus countries.

00:50:48.800 Uh, then it says, if you, if you've heard about our work, it wasn't ours.

00:50:56.240 And then it gets into some of the services that they offer.

00:51:00.840 They offer narrative intelligence, continuous monitoring of the information landscape to

00:51:06.460 identify leverage points before competitors, audience segmentation, behavioral mapping

00:51:11.300 across millions of data points to identify the nodes that move markets, message testing.

00:51:16.080 here's one influencer ecosystems manage networks that amplify narratives through credible distributed

00:51:22.480 voices that's on this guy's website that he gets paid millions and millions of dollars 46 million

00:51:28.220 yeah so right there on his website influencer ecosystems so i think brad should you know

00:51:34.820 if he's doing it i think it's wrong i can't say for definitively that he's doing it but these are

00:51:40.960 the services that are offered on the website, cross-channel distribution, performance analytics.

00:51:47.200 You know, and so. Well, I must say I've noticed that every Salem media property that I'm aware of

00:51:54.540 has the same view. You know, more war is good. I'm an anti-Semite. You're both. Those are two 0.72

00:52:02.160 lies, by the way. Not an anti-Semite and war is not good. You're an anti-Semite. They all have

00:52:07.100 the same view now maybe it's just that every Salem host or influencer or whatever they're

00:52:12.040 calling themselves is like crazy in exactly the same way but maybe there's more to it than that

00:52:18.740 maybe maybe and a lot of these same influencers have been um you know organized against you

00:52:27.460 for the last couple for like the last year consistently against you for the last year

00:52:32.780 A lot of these, there's one account, for example, named Yale Yacobi.

00:52:39.680 I'm not sure, you probably have never heard of this kid.

00:52:41.840 But all he does every day is he tweets about you.

00:52:46.220 The only time I see any of your clips are on the accounts of people attacking you.

00:52:53.180 Really?

00:52:53.920 I, you know, I don't watch, you know, similar to you, I don't really watch podcasts.

00:52:57.660 Yeah.

00:52:57.860 You know, but the only time I see people's clips are people attacking you.

00:53:03.820 Your clips are when people are attacking you.

00:53:05.340 Ilya Kobi, I was looking this morning.

00:53:07.120 Who is he?

00:53:08.160 You know, just some influencer, if you will.

00:53:11.400 And these are non-influential influencers, I call them.

00:53:14.400 But he certainly is involved in, he's certainly been paid for some of his tweets.

00:53:22.380 Do I know that he's been, do I know that he's been paid for tweets against you or against the Iran war?

00:53:27.860 I can't say that for certain, but he was not honest. He's not honest about tweets that he is

00:53:34.140 paid for. And then, and so, so would I be shocked if he was paid for some of, I don't know, but he's

00:53:41.900 tweeted about you probably 1200 times in the last eight months. All complimentary? No, no, all

00:53:50.720 negative, unfortunately for you. But you know, and look, I agree with some of his criticism.

00:53:55.800 him. I don't think it's, but I don't see it organic. People, you know, he's one of the

00:54:00.240 loudest voices who keeps tagging me in posts. Alex, you criticized Mark Levin. Why don't you

00:54:04.760 criticize Tucker? Well, I criticized you to your face here. Yeah. You hurt me, man. But all of

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00:56:48.260 all voted for trump in 2016 2020 and 2024 because we don't like cancel culture the idea that if i

00:56:55.340 don't like you no one is allowed to talk to you that's a left-wing idea or i thought it was it

00:56:59.980 turns out it's like a human idea but i reject it just the same but trump was elected in november

00:57:04.880 of 2024 that was like 20 minutes ago yeah and within just months all of a sudden you had the

00:57:09.840 josh hammers of the world who i'd never even heard of yeah saying that if i don't like somebody

00:57:14.400 nobody's allowed to talk to him because he's got naughty intentions or he's a bigot of some kind

00:57:19.140 or whatever how is that any different from screaming racist you're right it's the same thing 0.96

00:57:24.260 right and that's why i'm here because you know but are you shocked by this though uh what the hell

00:57:31.160 yeah i mean these people aren't um the most honest dealers and brokers you know i'll say this

00:57:37.240 one of the people who who's been the loudest on this issue um is actually a friend of mine

00:57:44.240 Laura Loomer I I have not liked seeing a lot of the vitriolic messages towards Loomer people

00:57:50.540 calling her you know mean names I know that she dishes it out as well but she's a friend of mine

00:57:56.180 um and and during the 2024 election everybody kept telling us disavow Loomer disavow Loomer

00:58:03.780 She's bad news. 0.95

00:58:04.740 Disavow.

00:58:05.220 I wouldn't.

00:58:05.860 And they would put pressure on me.

00:58:07.140 Are you friends with Laura Loomer?

00:58:08.300 I'd say, yes, I am.

00:58:09.940 Oh, do you think she's trouble? 0.64

00:58:11.440 No, I think she's actually a very good ally to us when she's focused.

00:58:15.100 And so I would never disavow Loomer.

00:58:17.780 Similar, I would never disavow you because you've been good to me.

00:58:20.720 I consider you a friend.

00:58:23.420 It's okay to have different opinions.

00:58:26.840 I think telling people that they shouldn't have conversations with people or telling people that you should disavow someone.

00:58:31.940 um yeah i'm not i'm not about that life so not just telling but demanding yeah that it's the

00:58:38.780 price of your good name that how dare you talk to this person i'm dinner with this person and

00:58:43.660 if i find out that you do i'm gonna hurt you yeah that's the definition of witch hunt that's what 0.97

00:58:49.200 the george floyd era was about that's black lives matter that's everything i despise and to see it 0.97

00:58:55.300 happen among people i know who i thought i agreed with is like the most shocking thing that's ever 0.88

00:59:00.380 happened to me since when did all the neocons just become flat out like college level liberals

00:59:06.160 uh they have that way for at least my entire adult life i guess you're right i i right this

00:59:12.960 is a process of me losing my name to tay i guess those particular characters um but no i i i won't

00:59:19.380 disavow loomer i won't criticize loomer even if i disagree with her i'm not going to take to twitter

00:59:24.140 and say hey loomer i think you're off base and you know you're wrong wrong wrong same with you

00:59:28.260 Like if I have an issue with you.

00:59:30.080 For the record, I would never attack someone's family or daughter-in-law.

00:59:33.200 Yeah.

00:59:33.960 So I think that that, I just want to say in reference to no one in particular.

00:59:39.680 Yeah.

00:59:40.480 That attacking people's families for crimes they had nothing to do with just because they're related to someone suggests a view of the world based on blood guilt, which is not a Christian view. 0.97

00:59:49.440 It's disgusting. 0.98

00:59:50.480 It's a North Korean view. 0.99

00:59:52.040 We don't punish people's families.

00:59:55.100 Yeah.

00:59:55.240 I think that's, I think those are low.

00:59:57.020 And, you know, and I was actually a big defender of Buckley when he was facing some of those attacks.

01:00:02.300 But just like not having anything to do with me or my family, just in general, as a principle, because what matters are principles.

01:00:07.960 It's not about what you do to me.

01:00:09.620 It's about what you do or what I do.

01:00:11.460 We're all held to the same standards because there's one God.

01:00:13.960 Yeah.

01:00:14.340 And those standards apply to the Israelis and they apply to the Russians and the Ukrainians.

01:00:17.500 They apply to me.

01:00:18.100 They apply to you.

01:00:18.580 They apply to every human being, all of us created by God.

01:00:21.140 And one of the core standards is you do not punish the innocent ever.

01:00:25.640 That is the basis of all justice.

01:00:28.340 You punish people who commit crimes.

01:00:30.400 You do not punish people who don't,

01:00:32.200 no matter who they're related to.

01:00:34.160 The Israelis reject that view.

01:00:35.600 That's what they're doing in Gaza. 0.99

01:00:36.740 They're killing people because they're Palestinian. 0.96

01:00:39.000 The North Koreans did that. 0.97

01:00:40.580 I think the U.S. has done that over the years. 0.70

01:00:42.660 It's always wrong.

01:00:43.520 It doesn't matter who does it.

01:00:45.200 And I just feel like that principle,

01:00:47.460 that one specific principle is the basis of our country.

01:00:50.760 That's why we welcomed all these people

01:00:52.200 from random countries.

01:00:53.180 We're like, you may be from a country we hate,

01:00:54.780 But like, are you a good person?

01:00:56.620 That's all that matters.

01:00:57.320 It's the content of your character that matters.

01:01:00.300 And if we give that up on the right,

01:01:02.020 then the whole country is gone.

01:01:03.500 That's all I'm saying.

01:01:04.260 Yeah, I'm strongly against targeting innocent people

01:01:07.940 and I'm targeted against targeting family members.

01:01:10.580 Yes.

01:01:10.960 And to be honest,

01:01:12.080 that's why I find a lot of the attacks

01:01:13.920 in Erica Kirk to be repulsive.

01:01:16.180 I totally agree.

01:01:16.840 There's a lot of people who have made a name

01:01:19.480 for themselves in social media

01:01:20.680 by spreading certain theories about Erica.

01:01:24.660 And I think Erica is a good person.

01:01:26.460 She's a friend of mine.

01:01:27.100 I've known Erica for almost as long as she's probably known Charlie.

01:01:31.160 And I was with her a few weeks ago in Palm Beach.

01:01:33.980 And you can see that, you know, the attacks affect her and they hurt her.

01:01:38.280 But she keeps moving forward.

01:01:39.500 So I think that, I think having vitriolic targets on families is certainly wrong.

01:01:48.460 Certainly you can't punish people for something they didn't do.

01:01:51.500 Yeah.

01:01:51.760 It's just that simple.

01:01:52.900 That's why segregation is wrong.

01:01:54.340 That's why the anti-white racism that dominates American life is wrong.

01:01:58.440 That's why anti-Semitism is wrong.

01:02:00.480 That's why any worldview that punishes people who didn't commit a crime is always and everywhere wrong.

01:02:07.160 And that would include attacking people's families if they didn't do anything.

01:02:11.020 Yeah.

01:02:11.600 You know what I mean?

01:02:12.580 That's true.

01:02:13.380 Anyway. 0.88

01:02:13.740 That's why also, you know, like the blanket Jew haters.

01:02:18.720 There's, you know, there's people who are critical of Israel,

01:02:21.200 and then there's people who, like, tweet things like totally anti-Jew things. 0.97

01:02:26.380 I think the anti-Jew, the Jews control everything crowd, 0.85

01:02:30.980 I think they are not the brightest as well. 0.96

01:02:36.400 Yeah, look, attacking people for things they didn't do is wrong, period.

01:02:40.720 I would like this administration to take the anti-white stuff seriously

01:02:43.660 and stop lecturing and telling me that anti-Semitism is the biggest problem in America.

01:02:46.720 It's not. You have a much tougher time getting into the Ivy Leagues. You would not know this

01:02:50.980 from the behavior of the Justice Department if you're white than if you're Jewish. So that's a 0.92

01:02:55.340 fact. It's provable that these numbers came out in court. And like, it's unfashionable to say that.

01:03:01.000 I don't care. And by the way, if Jews or blacks or Filipinos or anybody was being discriminated

01:03:06.460 in the way that whites are being discriminated against, I would be opposed to it vocally and

01:03:09.700 I'm opposed to it. Well, if you look at a lot of the job creation in our country, a lot of the new

01:03:14.100 jobs have gone to natural born white americans uh in in the trump presidency look i don't know

01:03:20.640 those numbers i don't know also i don't know i don't know if i want more americans going to

01:03:24.320 universities i just think all i'm saying is as a principle this is the core principle of america

01:03:29.420 that you are judged by who you are yeah as a person not by the group i don't think that the

01:03:34.740 administration is overly prioritizing the protection of jewish community are you joking

01:03:39.940 I don't think they're.

01:03:40.660 Have you listened to Leo Terrell recently?

01:03:43.820 That's Leo's job.

01:03:45.640 His job?

01:03:46.320 Is there an anti-black czar? 0.94

01:03:49.060 Is it anti-black racism? 0.98

01:03:50.240 Is there an anti-white racism czar? 1.00

01:03:51.480 This is insane. 0.95

01:03:51.920 I think there should be.

01:03:52.800 You know, maybe there should be.

01:03:53.740 How about we just treat everybody the same?

01:03:55.560 So I agree with you on that point,

01:03:57.380 but I don't think that the department-

01:03:58.880 That's just identity politics.

01:03:59.800 I don't think that the Department of Justice

01:04:01.400 wakes up in the morning and thinks,

01:04:05.760 how can we personally protect Jewish Americans over- 1.00

01:04:08.680 Yes, they do. 0.99

01:04:09.200 Are you joking?

01:04:09.980 I don't think so.

01:04:10.400 There's been, they reached a settlement with the,

01:04:12.500 look, I just want to be clear,

01:04:13.920 as clear as I've been all along,

01:04:16.580 that I oppose any kind of discrimination

01:04:18.600 on religious grounds and on secular humanist grounds.

01:04:22.020 Yeah.

01:04:22.300 It's just wrong.

01:04:23.900 Always judge the person, not the blood type.

01:04:27.720 However, they went after Harvard and Yale and Columbia

01:04:33.220 and Cornell and Princeton and Dartmouth, the Ivy League.

01:04:35.540 Sure.

01:04:36.460 On the basis of antisemitism.

01:04:37.920 to the extent they're anti-Semitic,

01:04:39.200 they should not get federal money. 1.00

01:04:40.440 I totally agree with that.

01:04:42.080 But everybody knows because it's been proven

01:04:45.000 that the barrier at those schools

01:04:47.640 is being a white Christian male. 1.00

01:04:49.780 Yeah, that's fair.

01:04:50.780 And no one mentioned that.

01:04:51.860 Yeah.

01:04:52.140 So it's like, what the hell are you doing?

01:04:53.740 You're telling me, I live in a world

01:04:55.900 and have for 57 years in this country

01:04:57.720 where being a white male is a disadvantage

01:05:00.020 in official America in hiring,

01:05:03.100 federal contracting, and school admissions.

01:05:05.340 And no one says anything about it?

01:05:07.040 That's fair.

01:05:07.920 That's fair. I think that, obviously, they've also discriminated against Asians at the show.

01:05:12.740 A hundred percent, which is totally wrong.

01:05:14.560 It is wrong. And, I mean, David Hogg got accepted into Harvard. That's how you know that the institution failed.

01:05:19.340 All right.

01:05:19.940 Bill Ackman went to Harvard. The guy's a moron. 1.00

01:05:22.660 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:23.220 How do these people get into Harvard?

01:05:24.600 I think that higher education totally needs an overhaul, and I don't encourage young people to go.

01:05:31.340 Of course, you know, I agree with you passionately, strongly, but I just think even more important than overhauling college is reminding every American that you're judged on your own merits, period. And to the extent the federal government, we have laws on the books. We have a civil rights division that's supposed to be enforcing this, which is not making it a priority. I'm sorry. Sorry, they're not. And I got a call today from someone in the administration. We'll stop. You know, they're doing some work. It's like they could end it tomorrow.

01:06:00.420 We will not allow discrimination in our country, period, no matter who you are.

01:06:04.040 Whether you're black, Jewish, white, Asian, doesn't matter.

01:06:06.920 And they won't do it because their donors are single-mindedly focused on one of many forms of discrimination, which is not the most prevalent form.

01:06:14.640 So I'm pissed.

01:06:16.380 And I'm going to keep saying this until they change their ways.

01:06:18.960 Well, I'm not going to tell you to stop.

01:06:23.100 Sorry, sorry.

01:06:24.220 I was just like, I had this like furious text exchange with some of the administration.

01:06:28.380 This was like, we're doing stuff.

01:06:29.820 I was like, this is one problem we could actually solve.

01:06:32.860 No more discrimination.

01:06:34.540 It's totally unchecked on the left, too.

01:06:36.640 They're always like lecturing about white men.

01:06:38.920 Yeah, definitely. 0.98

01:06:39.740 I mean, the left is certainly the worst offenders at that. 0.82

01:06:45.120 Just openly racist. 0.99

01:06:45.940 They are openly racist and they're proud of it.

01:06:48.820 And so I think that's why, you know, we're talking.

01:06:50.980 I know that you said you're leaving the Republican Party.

01:06:53.060 Yeah.

01:06:53.420 Which, you know.

01:06:54.520 I want to come back.

01:06:55.540 I understand your frustration with the party.

01:06:57.420 I have the frustration all the time as well.

01:06:59.200 I'm frustrated right now.

01:07:00.220 I'm sitting here on this podcast

01:07:01.740 while the Senate refuses to pass

01:07:03.620 the Save America Act.

01:07:05.000 Exactly.

01:07:05.460 That would enforce voter ID.

01:07:07.660 But we're doing-

01:07:08.120 That's not hard.

01:07:08.920 Why can't they do that?

01:07:09.760 Well, maybe they don't want

01:07:11.940 to save our country.

01:07:12.660 So maybe they don't want

01:07:13.380 to save our country,

01:07:13.960 but we're doing the best with-

01:07:15.200 Wait, can I just ask you a question?

01:07:16.360 Why, that's such an easy one.

01:07:18.440 Yeah.

01:07:19.280 That's a priority that I strongly

01:07:20.560 share with the administration.

01:07:22.000 Like, why not have voter ID

01:07:23.000 if you're going to be a country

01:07:24.400 who chooses leaders

01:07:25.280 through elections, like-

01:07:26.340 Right.

01:07:26.820 I think this might be

01:07:27.660 the most common sense piece of legislation that's ever come through the Senate. But for whatever

01:07:31.720 reason, there's obstruction to it. But who's obstructing it? Do you know? Well, we have a

01:07:35.740 leader in the Senate who just can't get the job done. And maybe he can get it done, but he hasn't

01:07:39.580 shown that he can get it done. And he hasn't really made it a priority. I think this is a

01:07:42.400 major priority for Republican voters. It's a major priority of President Trump, who is the only reason

01:07:47.680 that we have a Republican controlled Senate and we have a Republican controlled Congress. And I

01:07:52.060 think oftentimes Republicans forget that. And in Congress, they forget that. The only reason

01:07:57.580 the Republicans have any power in Washington, D.C. is because of Donald Trump and the MAGA

01:08:01.440 movement. And time and time again, Congress drops the ball. And so I hear your frustration.

01:08:06.800 That's it. Like if you vote for Republicans, they can't even get a voter ID law passed.

01:08:11.380 That's why the primaries are so important. And we're working in the primaries. We took out

01:08:16.780 Tillis. We took out Cornyn. We took out Cassidy. We're taking out some of the weakest

01:08:21.880 Republicans on our team. And so the primaries process is where I believe that, that people

01:08:28.020 like you should be taking out your anger. I just think you've gotten behind some of the wrong

01:08:31.060 candidates. I think like James Fishback, by the way, that guy tried to scam me. James Fishback

01:08:36.220 hit me up asking me for $50,000 into an investment fund before he was LARPing as a presidential

01:08:42.020 or governor candidate. You don't like Fishback, but I like him, but I don't know that much about

01:08:46.400 him. I just don't think that the state of Florida should be limiting the first amendment that God

01:08:51.860 given first amendment rights of floridians because israel demands it which is exactly what they did 0.98

01:08:57.060 that's not acceptable under any certain my family's been here for like 400 years like i'm not

01:09:02.340 going to stand by and let that happen without saying something about it period i hear you i

01:09:06.100 hear you on that there was probably a different candidate you got behind than in fishback because

01:09:10.460 that guy's bad news and he's not an honest person i don't know and i think you have a massive

01:09:16.600 platform when you put your platform to use in with you took out you held take out dan crenshaw

01:09:21.780 So I thank you for that.

01:09:23.040 And President Trump didn't endorse Dan Crenshaw.

01:09:25.100 So we've used this primary. 0.89

01:09:25.960 But he didn't endorse that creepy fat guy from Florida 0.97

01:09:28.500 who endorsed genocide, 0.97

01:09:29.500 who laughed at a picture of a dead child in Gaza, 0.95

01:09:31.980 that disgusting, I can't even remember his name, 0.95

01:09:35.560 but he's that. 0.97

01:09:35.880 He was the only candidate that ran in that seat.

01:09:38.080 Why don't get someone new?

01:09:39.120 Like, why would you endorse that guy? 0.99

01:09:40.680 That's why I said you've got to be a slave to Israel. 0.97

01:09:42.260 But now we have the flip side.

01:09:43.160 You have Dan Bilzerian running.

01:09:44.180 We have two extremes running that race.

01:09:46.380 Both I don't agree with, okay?

01:09:48.460 So we have Dan Bilzerian.

01:09:49.900 maybe one of the people who's helped bring degeneracy to young men in America more than

01:09:54.800 anybody. I don't know about that. And Randy Fine, you know, maybe we need some better choices.

01:10:01.440 Florida's been a great state for a long time. In my opinion, it's kind of hard to F Florida up.

01:10:05.780 Florida's got low taxes, it's got beaches, it's got great weather. They get crowded and you'll

01:10:11.460 destroy it. I think that's been a major, I think that's been one issue. Let the developers run the

01:10:18.300 state. But this is happening under DeSantis. I agree. I completely, look, and there are things

01:10:22.540 about DeSantis I really like. Like, he's a very impressive guy. I mean, you know DeSantis. There's

01:10:26.380 a lot about him that's impressive. That's just a fact. He's smarter than I am. But you have to

01:10:31.700 take the big picture. Like, you have to care about the people who live in the state, not just people

01:10:35.740 who send money to your campaign. Whether it's APAC, whether worse than APAC, or the, you know,

01:10:41.380 the strip mall developers and the people who just want to pave the state, like, want to destroy

01:10:44.880 nature to make a quick buck. Like those people are worse than APAC in my opinion. Yeah. I've

01:10:50.560 had some conversations with some data center. Don't you agree with that? You live in Florida?

01:10:54.520 I don't think that the Floridians want to, I don't think the Floridians want major data centers

01:10:59.280 coming to their communities anymore. I don't think they do. But there are a lot of them already there.

01:11:02.420 And I've actually been talking to some data center developers who say, you actually don't

01:11:06.140 need that much land anymore. And so there's a concern. But you need a lot of water and energy.

01:11:10.780 There's concern from some of the data centers that they're overbuilding. That, you know, few,

01:11:14.600 in a few years from now, the technology will be better,

01:11:16.860 the energy resources will be

01:11:18.400 better, and so you're not going to need a 2 million square foot.

01:11:20.860 Can I say one thing about Fishbeck, though?

01:11:22.580 The effort in Florida has been to prevent

01:11:24.580 Fishbeck from back or back.

01:11:26.400 I don't want to show what close friends I am with him,

01:11:28.420 but I like the guy.

01:11:30.340 But why not just have a debate between Byron Donalds

01:11:32.580 and Fishbeck?

01:11:34.760 That's a good question.

01:11:36.000 So voters can decide. I would debate him.

01:11:38.620 But Byron Donalds won't, because he's smoking.

01:11:41.020 Well, no, part of it's because he's 60 points up.

01:11:43.340 Fishbeck's, I don't even think he can qualify to become governor.

01:11:45.560 Because he's like, no one will give him money and no one will give him a hearing.

01:11:48.500 And that's why I gave him a hearing.

01:11:49.540 I don't think that he's even qualified, like, because he's not lived in the state long enough,

01:11:54.020 per my understanding.

01:11:55.220 Byron Donalds is from New York.

01:11:56.640 Okay.

01:11:56.780 But he moved there 20 plus years ago.

01:11:58.960 Fishbeck was living in Washington, D.C. until just recently.

01:12:01.840 If you want to get into people's past.

01:12:03.520 And also.

01:12:04.120 I think, actually, Fishbeck is from the state.

01:12:06.140 His family's been there for a long, long time, many generations.

01:12:09.880 Byron Donalds moves to Florida and, like, immediately gets arrested on a felony charge.

01:12:12.760 so like that's not disqualifying but if as long as you're comparing backgrounds my personal my

01:12:17.240 biggest gripe with fishback is he tried to scam me personally tried to scam me out of fifty thousand

01:12:24.160 i don't know anything about that when he was pretending to be a financial expert running

01:12:29.320 different funds how'd you know him i met him through through twitter you know he used to be

01:12:34.020 he used to be uh you know buyer beware alex he used to be he used to be one of the president's

01:12:40.340 biggest offenders. Do you do a lot of your investment deals through Twitter? No. Okay.

01:12:46.740 I don't. I don't do any of them. However, anyone who approaches you for an investment opportunity

01:12:51.740 on Twitter probably know. He's not just a Twitter guy, but he was a economic pundit on Fox. He was

01:12:57.380 an economic pundit on CNN. He was the head of a, you know, different funds, right? That's what he

01:13:01.940 said. Azoria fund. And so he also really wanted a job with the Trump administration. He really

01:13:07.680 wanted to go work for the Trump admin. He wanted to be on the commissioner for some agency and he

01:13:13.700 asked me to advocate for him. I'm sure there are a lot, look, do you want me to compare this to

01:13:16.940 Byron Donald's biography, which I know a lot about? I don't think you do. What I'm getting the

01:13:20.040 background on, what I'm getting to here is how I met Fishback and him asking me for money and then

01:13:26.940 him in person. Did you send him money? No, I didn't send him money. Then we're square. Two

01:13:32.480 weeks later though, his fund shuts down. Yeah, well, maybe he's not a great fund manager. I

01:13:37.320 don't know anything about it my question is what was he going to do with the fifty thousand dollars

01:13:40.540 do you want to talk about byron's arrest record when he was a child or not a child not a child

01:13:45.120 actually he was a teenager no he was not a teenager he was an adult but whatever whatever

01:13:49.300 i don't care about that actually and all i care about is like are you a committed to serving the

01:13:55.220 people on whose behalf you're going to be elected and two are your ideas right and right for those

01:14:00.840 people who are you serving that's it do you do you think um i'm asking you not just byron if you

01:14:08.800 think if somebody got arrested when they're 19 or 20 years old for for selling weed and they're now

01:14:13.760 45 or 50 i don't care you don't care no so i'm only throwing that out because it's like okay

01:14:19.260 whatever but no what i do care about i mean i guess i care i'm against weed for the record by

01:14:24.000 the way that's fair but it's not even that by the way i'm just throwing good for you you know i

01:14:28.920 totally fine with medical cannabis i don't like cannabis uh you know recreationally being high

01:14:35.020 all the time does not make you better i've done it but i smoke weed as a child a lot it's not

01:14:39.460 come on now so life is amazing experience it you know yeah but no i was just throwing that back to

01:14:45.540 be like okay great but the point is a we should have a democracy where the people get to decide

01:14:53.300 who they vote for and they can decide that on the basis of a maximum amount of information about

01:14:59.340 those candidates and so why would the republican party of florida being you know shutting down

01:15:03.520 debate i want to hear the issues i don't care so much about the people that's why i get mad at

01:15:08.280 trump it's like i like trump i'll always like trump i just like the guy well speaking of debates

01:15:12.200 one of my favorite moments ever was during the republican first republican primary debate of 2024

01:15:17.480 for. And, you know, we had something called counter-programming when Donald Trump sat down

01:15:23.240 for an interview with a guy named Tucker Carlson. Yeah. Remember that? And you guys crushed the

01:15:27.860 ratings. Hundreds, millions of views on social media compared to whatever the RNC debate pulled.

01:15:34.440 Then why do they suck up to, then why, here's a question that I have. I know you're not running

01:15:38.580 the comm shop directly, but like. Or indirectly. You're certainly involved in thinking through

01:15:45.740 messages and how to get them out there fox news like why the emphasis on fox news all these trump

01:15:53.340 employee employees all appointees all on fox news it's got a tiny audience it's controlled by people

01:15:59.920 who hate trump the murdochs i know that personally because i know them personally and they're like

01:16:06.400 against his agenda on a core level but no one ever gets sent out to podcasts you're like the

01:16:12.060 first person who's been here in a long time have you sought out anybody of course well that's a

01:16:17.580 good question um but fox news like it's irrelevant why make it relevant so the podcast that's a great

01:16:22.880 question the you know we had great success with the president going on podcasts i know you know

01:16:28.440 and joe rogan and um yours and andrew schultz and i really like these guys and they've been

01:16:34.140 critically adamant on issues that's okay i still like them personally but they don't they don't

01:16:39.660 want to have a lot of the people on anymore. They don't make enough. They don't want to have

01:16:45.580 the president down. They haven't sought out an interview with the president. And, and I'm sure

01:16:50.600 if they asked, I'm sure you would do it, but they haven't asked. No, but that's, it's not just about

01:16:54.980 the president. I mean, he is the president. But also people like the admin, like, I think these

01:16:58.660 guys like. No, those requests got shut down. My, my request got shut down and I was like, I felt

01:17:03.820 like i had been a pretty faithful trump supporter certainly like a lion you saw an interview with

01:17:10.160 the president no no i could always i just call him directly for that but like you know the

01:17:14.260 secretary of awesomeness or whatever you have all these secretaries in charge of things

01:17:18.360 get him on nope can't do it and i'm not whining it was fine my life turned out okay but i don't

01:17:25.340 understand the emphasis on fox news like well it's sometimes it's sometimes it's the only

01:17:30.060 platform that will have a son dude that is not true i mean or cnn for example fox refused to

01:17:36.080 have steven miller on okay right cnn but again who cares about cnn nine people watch it right

01:17:42.180 i don't know i think that if you start inviting people on the show again maybe they'll come but

01:17:47.080 why just why continue to make i mean once trump is gone cnn and fox are done yeah they're literally

01:17:54.880 done without trump to talk about no one's going to watch them they will probably close down

01:17:58.420 literally and you know this better than anyone you're the new media guy why keep them on life

01:18:04.540 support i don't understand when they hate you they hate you at fox they hate you at cnn ms probably

01:18:12.200 likes you more than those two things like why do this well uh it's important to get the message

01:18:18.640 out and people are comfortable going at fox i suppose and a lot of the administration officials

01:18:23.840 they have relationships there so they yeah no i think that's there's some truth in there and

01:18:27.340 It's just muscle memory.

01:18:28.200 Also, a lot of the podcasters, they don't want to interview random cabinet members.

01:18:31.040 Maybe you do, but other podcasts in, I guess, the podcast ecosystem, they don't want to

01:18:37.220 interview a rank-and-file Republican congressman or a senator or-

01:18:41.280 I interviewed Ted Cruz.

01:18:42.940 That was a fun interview, by the way, which, you know-

01:18:46.020 It was for me.

01:18:47.160 I have disagreed with a lot of what you've said over the last, you know, year.

01:18:51.980 Any takedown of Ted Cruz is fun for me.

01:18:54.220 I don't like that guy.

01:18:55.040 But Ted Cruz's views are identical to Randy Fine's. So why is Ted Cruz bad, but Randy Fine is good?

01:19:01.260 I wouldn't say that Randy Fine's opinions are good. I think Ted Cruz's personality is just worse.

01:19:08.120 Than Randy Fine?

01:19:09.160 I do. I do. I think Ted Cruz is not a likable guy.

01:19:12.620 Well, that's obvious.

01:19:14.000 And so do I agree with everything? I think Randy Fine has tweeted some ugly things, really ugly things.

01:19:19.860 And his views do not represent the views of the Trump administration or my views. 0.78

01:19:23.580 but I think Ted Cruz is just an unlikable guy. And I want to share with your audience a little

01:19:27.840 story. In January, a few days before my wedding, I did this Trump Accounts event, which I think

01:19:34.220 Trump Accounts is actually one of the great programs of the Trump administration. Every

01:19:39.080 baby that is born in America for the next four years gets $1,000 invested in a tax-free vehicle

01:19:46.200 that they can access when they're 18. And every year the parents can contribute to it, et cetera,

01:19:50.680 etc so I did an event uh to help introduce this this new new initiative with the president was

01:19:58.260 there and I brought a very famous rapper named Nicki Minaj and Nicki Minaj and I we did a

01:20:04.520 little panel on stage when we got off the stage we were going to go to the White House to see

01:20:08.560 the president and show Nicki the Oval and have a good time we were walking out and all of a sudden

01:20:14.580 I hear like these footsteps running down the hallway and I turn around and Ted Cruz and his

01:20:20.860 team chasing after us, Nikki, Nikki, Nikki, please. Can we get a picture? Can we get a

01:20:26.820 nightmare scenario? I'm like, Holy shit. This is Senator Ted Cruz who probably hasn't ran in a 1.00

01:20:32.040 while. No, not in a while. Running down the hallway, chasing Nikki, begging her for a picture.

01:20:37.500 Like he was a fangirl at a concert. And just to be fun, I said, sorry, Ted, we're out of time.

01:20:44.420 we can't do any more pictures his face was so pissed and he like cornered us he was trying to

01:20:50.520 and nicky was like you know i feel bad because nicky's now kind of collateral in this because

01:20:54.520 she i mean she doesn't know who the hell ted cruz is and and so like i'm blocking him from

01:20:59.980 getting a picture with her and his team's like trying to snap angles of it and they're all

01:21:03.520 blurry pictures but i prevented it and as i was leaving one of his staffers goes we'll remember

01:21:08.560 this, Alex Bruswitz. And I'm like, ah, this is good. Oh, you're on Ted's list. I'm on Ted's

01:21:14.920 list now. But no, I think Ted's a joker. I think that him saying his number one priority as a U.S.

01:21:23.060 Senator is to be a defender of a different country. I think that was a stupid thing to say. 1.00

01:21:26.680 And I actually do think he believes it, though. Why do you think he believes that? 1.00

01:21:31.280 That's his position. That's his position. I don't know why he believes it. But I'm not a fan of Ted.

01:21:36.360 Ted still thinks in the back of his mind that one day he can be president of the United States.

01:21:39.460 I don't think it's going to happen.

01:21:40.520 It won't happen.

01:21:41.420 And it won't happen.

01:21:42.460 And I think, I actually spoke at the Jerusalem Post conference a couple of weeks ago.

01:21:47.240 And Ted prides himself on being Israel's number one defender.

01:21:50.840 Oh, yeah.

01:21:51.520 He loves Israel.

01:21:53.520 And I think he genuinely loves the country, though.

01:21:58.660 But he has hurt the country.

01:22:01.400 And I gave that speech at Jerusalem Post.

01:22:04.860 So I said, I'm here today as an ally and a supporter of Israel, somebody who wants to see America and Israel have a strong relationship for decades to come.

01:22:14.300 I truly believe that.

01:22:15.920 And I highlighted how I think they're a great battlefield proven partner.

01:22:20.160 We've, you know, they have great technologies that also can benefit American companies, medicine, et cetera, et cetera.

01:22:25.480 And I said, however, Israel's approval rating in America, especially with my generation, Republicans under 30, is at an all-time low.

01:22:36.000 And that's not great.

01:22:37.980 And one of the reasons I think it's so low is not because necessarily of podcasters who are anti-Israel, but because of some of Israel's most ardent supporters in the United States, people like Senator Ted Cruz, push people away.

01:22:52.740 and this was in early june right after there was this idea that an iran deal was close

01:23:01.660 and nobody knew what the iran deal was etc ted cruz took to x and he slammed any prospects of a

01:23:09.120 deal you can't make a deal with the iranian regime you can't do this you can't do that

01:23:12.960 like dude this guy has no idea what the hell the deal what's in the deal of course and he's trying

01:23:17.900 to get out in front of it to trash the president and undermine the administration. And I'm looking

01:23:23.300 at this guy and if he actually wants to help Israel, he would shut up. So I said that at the

01:23:29.480 Jerusalem post conference, and mind you, these are all Jewish people with love for Israel. 0.96

01:23:36.000 They all cheered for me after I said, Ted Cruz should shut the hell up. And so if he truly loved

01:23:43.740 Israel. I think that he would be better served. He would better serve them by not constantly

01:23:51.360 defending him on social. I think that's a very wise point. And it's not just head crews. It's

01:23:56.840 Mark Levin has inspired more people to join BDS than, you know, campus group ever. I mean,

01:24:03.020 Mark Levin is like. He's currently trying to get me fired, by the way. So that's the question. It's

01:24:07.360 like, okay, Mark Levin hates Trump. He's always hated Trump. He's worked against Trump openly

01:24:14.800 for a decade. And then Trump does something that he agrees with and he's the gatekeeper

01:24:21.200 to Trump and Trump's best friend. Now he hates Trump again and he's attacking Trump.

01:24:26.680 How long does Trump continue to be friends with this guy?

01:24:30.480 i don't know you know the president is unique he can handle people who who criticize him and you

01:24:38.860 know he can you know he doesn't think they're low iq crazy people only some

01:24:43.040 fair and and uh and and look uh but but i don't think mark levin was ever the president's best

01:24:53.600 friend you know the president has different opinions around tweeting out well i don't

01:24:59.420 think trump likes him so that's my opinion actually he was just saying it to f with you

01:25:03.180 you think about that it's totally that's totally possible by the way that's literally possible so

01:25:08.400 look i think mark is i think he is part of a republican party that has been left in the past

01:25:14.700 um and they are desperately trying to remain relevant and they use conflicts whether it's

01:25:22.600 in the middle east or mark thyssen for example the conflict in ukraine these they use these

01:25:27.820 issues to to have a little bit of relevance to maintain their presences on on fox news um but

01:25:35.500 the people aren't with them and you see it in polling again 67 percent of americans support

01:25:39.480 mou you look at mark levin's twitter feed he acts like everybody's against it nobody's against it

01:25:44.580 except for mark and his friends who are probably coordinating in their messaging and talking points

01:25:51.320 but can i ask you one last question yeah and i think that's a i think it's a totally correct

01:25:56.500 analysis and we and by the way I fall for it and I always try to remind myself Mark Levin is not

01:26:02.260 a player in any affairs global or local he's irrelevant and his job is just like make me mad

01:26:10.680 and suck me into his fantasy world and like I should just ignore this and you clearly have

01:26:14.740 already figured that out so good for you don't take the bait and I don't take the bait that's

01:26:18.780 So real quick, in a little ex-psychology.

01:26:21.740 Yeah.

01:26:22.940 I tell my clients, ignore the comment section.

01:26:27.520 Yeah.

01:26:28.060 Because you're not changing opinions on X.

01:26:35.260 Nobody sees something on X and goes, oh, wow, I changed my mind on something.

01:26:39.000 X is a nasty place.

01:26:40.260 It's where you battle people.

01:26:41.420 It's a war of ideas.

01:26:43.600 And some people cheat in the war of ideas.

01:26:45.920 They use bots. They use, uh, coordinated influencer campaigns. They, they sometimes

01:26:51.860 they cheat in the war of ideas. Um, but it's not a place that you should get any, like you shouldn't

01:26:58.940 think that's reality because it's all manipulated. I agree. So, and that's the final question I

01:27:04.000 wanted you to unpack. You've alluded to this a couple of times. You said if somebody,

01:27:08.080 I'm embarrassed, I forgot who you're referring to. You said, I know that this person,

01:27:11.900 of that Yacoby kid.

01:27:14.080 Yeah.

01:27:14.760 I know that this person has taken money

01:27:17.280 for other opinions and not been honest about it.

01:27:20.240 And that's almost exactly what you said.

01:27:22.100 What were you referring to?

01:27:24.280 Well, there's a few different tweets that,

01:27:26.520 you know, he's posted about.

01:27:28.920 And to his credit, actually,

01:27:30.040 I did see a paid partnership post underneath this one.

01:27:33.560 But in the Georgia,

01:27:35.140 in the most recent Georgia election,

01:27:38.400 he was paid to go-

01:27:39.460 Country or state?

01:27:41.200 State.

01:27:41.900 For governor.

01:27:43.100 Yeah.

01:27:43.620 He was paid to go after this guy named Rick Jackson.

01:27:47.340 And it says,

01:27:49.860 Rick Jackson brands himself as aligned with conservative priorities,

01:27:53.960 but his businesses tell a different story.

01:27:56.800 DEI initiatives, diversity-focused leadership and roles,

01:28:00.680 supporting gender-related procedures.

01:28:02.680 Voters should look at actions, not slogans.

01:28:04.980 And right at the bottom, it says paid partnership.

01:28:07.700 And then right above that tweet is another tweet that's very similar in language,

01:28:11.400 but it didn't say paid partnership. Was he paid for it? I don't know, but it certainly looks like

01:28:16.960 it. And here is the talking points that went out by a company that word for word spells out

01:28:27.720 what he wants, what Jacoby ended up tweeting. Messaging. Rick Jackson claims to want to ban

01:28:36.020 DEI. His own company has a track record of advancing the ideas of DEI. So all of these

01:28:41.380 influencers were sent this memo here, as you can see. And then I did a screenshot, put it side by

01:28:47.300 side with Jacoby's tweets. It's verbatim. And the company that was hired for this project

01:28:52.300 just happens to be associated with Brad Parscale. So, uh, you know, so it looks like you don't have

01:29:01.720 evidence that this kid is working for bread per scale no evidence of that i notice for the iranian

01:29:07.920 campaign for the iranian campaign so i i notice um on those rare occasions when i like look at

01:29:13.000 the stuff because it it's designed to make you mad and limit your ability to think clearly so i

01:29:18.200 really do try and stay away from x and cigarettes because both are just so addictive but uh but i

01:29:26.800 break down occasionally and i notice that there are people who are constantly sending these long

01:29:31.500 tweets about how we need endless war who are also promoting like some very specific kind of

01:29:37.240 car insurance? Yeah. What is that? Yeah, that's another one. This girl, Arian Wexler. This girl.

01:29:44.520 Who is that? That's a great question. Nobody knows. She came out of nowhere in 23, 24. What

01:29:51.040 is her name? Arian? Arian Wexler. Arian. Yeah. Nice name. Kind of a suspicious name. I don't 0.91

01:29:56.980 about that. And she's a pretty girl and she started showing up at conservative events 0.99

01:30:01.900 and I got introduced to her on the campaign trail. She really wanted to get involved with

01:30:08.180 the Trump 24 campaign for whatever reason. But the girl sussed me out. I'm very suspicious of 1.00

01:30:14.000 people who come out of nowhere and they have a big following almost instantly, but nobody knows

01:30:19.900 who the hell they are. And so she really wanted to get involved with the Trump 24 campaign. I said,

01:30:25.280 No, you know, I never, I actually never even entertained her. 0.60

01:30:29.160 And I would text, I actually texted some of my friends like, this girl, is she a fed?

01:30:34.240 You know? 0.98

01:30:34.560 Yeah. 0.80

01:30:34.860 And, you know, I don't know if, I don't think she's a fed, but.

01:30:37.220 Fair question.

01:30:38.160 There's a lot of that.

01:30:38.940 But she, she came, she came out of nowhere.

01:30:41.520 So, you know, she's one of your biggest critics on social media.

01:30:45.900 Mine?

01:30:46.340 One of yours, absolutely. 0.99

01:30:47.460 So back to this Wexler chick.

01:30:49.940 by the way like i did see something that you were on a podcast yesterday you said you think

01:30:57.520 israel killed charlie carrie i did not say that what was i did not say that okay what was the

01:31:01.380 clip then i said um i've never said that okay i know a lot of people including in the trump

01:31:06.720 administration who think that however uh there's no proof of that yeah what i said was two things

01:31:14.420 one i don't know when the command came down and from whom that we have to trust everything federal

01:31:18.540 law enforcement says, but I'm not obeying that. We have a moral obligation to push federal law

01:31:22.760 enforcement to do the job we pay them to do, which is to investigate the crimes fully. And so,

01:31:27.760 for example, if there are people who predicted Charlie's death on Twitter, I think the rest of

01:31:31.980 us can expect that they've been hauled in by the FBI for questioning. And I don't think they have

01:31:34.780 been. I don't know about that, but I do know what the disc, what you're talking about, the discord

01:31:38.620 chats. No, I'm talking, I'm specifically talking about the Twitter posts that seem to predict

01:31:45.220 charlie's death maybe i think yeah i would i i don't know if that's been investigated i'd love

01:31:49.660 for that to be yeah so that's number one number two just because someone is shot by one person

01:31:56.800 doesn't mean others weren't involved and don't like berate me into accepting that assumption

01:32:01.880 because i would never accept that as why would i assume that um and three to tell me that you

01:32:08.280 know the motive before the trial even starts that he was killed for his views on transgenders maybe

01:32:12.400 he was. Maybe it was more complicated than that. How would you know? You don't know. So stop yelling

01:32:17.320 at me to accept a conclusion that you can't prove. I hear you. Why would you do that? This is my

01:32:21.980 friend. I'm not, there's, and by the way, if I was murdered, I would expect people who loved me

01:32:26.780 not to jump to unwarranted conclusions, but to press federal law enforcement to do its freaking

01:32:31.620 job and stop calling people names because they're asking you to do your job. I think a lot of people

01:32:36.260 did jump to unwarranted conclusions. Maybe. I don't know if they're warranted or not. And,

01:32:40.660 And, you know, right after the assassination, many people were with big platforms, not you, were saying that Israel was behind it.

01:32:49.580 Many people with big platforms were saying that he was killed for his views on transgenderism.

01:32:53.600 And we don't know that, actually.

01:32:55.420 We don't know anything. 0.98

01:32:56.540 But Charlie was killed as he was talking about transgender. 0.56

01:32:59.640 And this guy, Tyler Robinson, seems to be in love with transgender people. 1.00

01:33:04.040 That may be absolutely true. 0.96

01:33:05.400 For me, and I think a lot of Americans, that seems like the most plausible situation.

01:33:11.140 But you're never going to catch me saying, because I don't know it, that Tyler Robinson

01:33:15.120 wasn't involved.

01:33:16.060 I'm merely saying to foreclose the possibility that others were involved is irresponsible

01:33:20.060 and then to attack other people.

01:33:22.740 Yeah.

01:33:23.240 I'm certainly not here to attack you.

01:33:25.060 No, no, you're not doing it.

01:33:25.940 I'm just saying like, and it's interesting, the people who have been, like, I've been

01:33:32.140 a journalist my entire life.

01:33:33.520 I'm not proud of that 0.82

01:33:34.480 because journalism is pretty gross

01:33:35.880 in the way that it's practiced

01:33:36.880 in this country

01:33:37.480 as you've just proven.

01:33:39.240 I mean, you tell us like

01:33:39.980 how fake a lot of this stuff is.

01:33:41.960 But the basic process of journalism

01:33:44.300 is not so different

01:33:45.000 from the process of gathering evidence

01:33:46.500 in a criminal investigation,

01:33:48.140 which is you like,

01:33:49.480 all leads should be run down

01:33:51.180 that are not utterly preposterous.

01:33:53.900 And if you're not doing that,

01:33:55.360 then I have a right to ask,

01:33:56.220 why are you not doing that?

01:33:57.400 And if Joe Kent,

01:33:59.400 who until the day he left

01:34:00.660 had highest level security clearance

01:34:02.060 in the Trump administration,

01:34:02.960 of Joe Kent says,

01:34:03.960 hey, I referred these leads

01:34:05.280 to the DOJ

01:34:06.020 and they ignored them

01:34:06.940 and then got mad at me

01:34:08.060 for referring them. 0.73

01:34:09.620 What the hell is that?

01:34:11.340 And if no one can answer you 0.97

01:34:12.600 other than to call you

01:34:13.100 an anti-Semite,

01:34:13.780 I'm like,

01:34:14.100 that's not a real answer.

01:34:15.340 Yeah, I don't think Joe

01:34:16.380 is an anti-Semite.

01:34:18.440 No, me.

01:34:19.200 I'm like...

01:34:20.360 Yeah, I don't think

01:34:20.980 you're an anti-Semite.

01:34:21.180 I'm not alleging Israel did it.

01:34:22.680 I can't prove that.

01:34:24.300 So then,

01:34:25.060 I guess that is an example

01:34:25.920 of a clip of yours

01:34:26.760 that was being taken out of context. 0.94

01:34:27.940 That Israel did it? 0.87

01:34:28.940 That was the message yesterday. 0.99

01:34:30.200 And that's what I saw.

01:34:31.840 And so...

01:34:32.160 So it's just interesting

01:34:32.960 I will say this.

01:34:33.900 It's interesting that all the people

01:34:35.280 who are telling you to shut up

01:34:36.320 and accept a conclusion

01:34:37.340 that hasn't even been reached

01:34:38.340 in a court yet,

01:34:39.900 they're all neocons.

01:34:41.720 So why is that?

01:34:42.480 What is that?

01:34:43.560 Who's running that campaign? 0.98

01:34:45.200 Talk about a campaign.

01:34:47.000 And I, as his friend,

01:34:49.100 here's what I want.

01:34:50.240 And I've said it to the folks

01:34:51.860 at Turning Point,

01:34:53.020 who I talk to,

01:34:53.720 who I like in some cases.

01:34:56.160 No, everybody who loved Charlie

01:34:58.460 has an obligation to push

01:35:00.360 for the most rigorous,

01:35:02.320 open-minded exhaustive criminal investigation possible and if you're not doing that why are

01:35:08.740 you not doing that that's fair and i had this conversation and i called people at the fbi

01:35:12.840 directly not being paid to do this i did because i love charlie kirk and it's like what is this

01:35:17.400 and they didn't give me a good answer did you see that recently at the court hearing that they're

01:35:22.460 not making tyler robinson's lover testify they're basically giving them spousal privilege what is

01:35:27.180 that that's a great question and i think 30 and who's this guy who jumped up and claimed credit

01:35:30.900 for the murder seconds after it happened.

01:35:33.140 Who's that guy who all of a sudden

01:35:34.060 gets busted on kiddie porn charges

01:35:35.380 and we can't talk to him?

01:35:36.780 Like, I don't know what this adds up to,

01:35:38.320 but I know weirdness when I see it.

01:35:39.520 And by the way,

01:35:40.280 is there not footage of Tyler Robinson

01:35:41.700 pulling the trigger?

01:35:43.020 Apparently they say that there is.

01:35:44.400 No one has seen it, who I know,

01:35:45.860 including high level people

01:35:46.680 who have asked to see it, haven't seen it.

01:35:47.800 Why?

01:35:48.460 I'm not saying it doesn't exist.

01:35:50.100 I'm saying, why are you acting like this?

01:35:51.640 Sure.

01:35:52.580 But I think it's,

01:35:53.380 I trust you that you weren't saying it was Israel,

01:35:56.360 but some people have definitively said that.

01:35:59.640 And I think that's also reckless.

01:36:00.900 and so i've said it's israel i haven't i'm not i i trust you that you said i trust what you're

01:36:06.720 saying right now i don't but if i had proof there was israel i would just say so right

01:36:11.140 people have speculated that though and have definitively said that not you others i think

01:36:18.080 that's reckless and irresponsible and does a disservice to to the investigation i agree that

01:36:23.720 I mean, investigations, the way that it's unfolded has allowed the space for all of

01:36:31.140 the speculation to take place.

01:36:32.980 Sure.

01:36:33.660 And that is also the new media environment, the new social media ecosystem.

01:36:38.000 But it's just funny.

01:36:39.000 Everyone's mad at the podcasters for it. 0.81

01:36:40.700 The podcasters, you've got a freaking Department of Justice that we pay for billions a year 1.00

01:36:45.160 that has the right to shoot you. 0.99

01:36:46.480 They have unlimited police powers.

01:36:50.320 They can tell you any lie they want, and it's fine.

01:36:52.600 If you lie to them, it's a federal crime.

01:36:54.380 They have all the power.

01:36:55.640 Therefore, they need all the accountability.

01:36:58.780 I mean, that's just kind of how it works.

01:37:01.280 And no one seems to be mad at the FBI or the Utah state authorities

01:37:05.820 for not answering simple questions about this stuff.

01:37:08.060 And if you can't answer a simple question, maybe there's a good reason.

01:37:10.420 What's that reason? 1.00

01:37:11.300 Shut up, anti-Semite. 0.99

01:37:13.620 I'm just not going to take that under any circumstances ever. 0.99

01:37:16.580 Well, right now, what it seems like, though, at least in the right-wing media ecosystem,

01:37:21.000 you know i agree that we should have a thorough investigation yeah half the side or actually

01:37:26.620 more probably more than half the side says tyler robinson did it and then there's a pocket of the

01:37:30.660 internet that personally 100 says israel did it and i think that you know why don't we have the

01:37:38.280 tiebreaker with the doj giving us real information on this and answering the question and i actually

01:37:42.300 called it as i told you but say it again i called the fbi highest level have you guys interviewed

01:37:46.820 the people who appeared to have foreknowledge got that covered? Have you interviewed them or not?

01:37:51.900 This is just a common sense question. Couldn't get an answer. Maybe they have.

01:37:56.020 I saw some TikTok posts the day before Charlie died that basically said,

01:37:59.260 oh, Charlie's going to regret coming here and discord. And we're certainly aware of those posts.

01:38:06.960 So that should be, but aware of, yeah, everyone's aware of it. It was on TikTok and Twitter,

01:38:11.180 but have the people who posted those things been interviewed? If I go on TikTok and threaten the

01:38:15.980 life of a federal official, I get an immediate visit from the FBI. Immediate. And I should. I

01:38:20.640 get it. I'm not against that. Have these guys received visits from the FBI? And last time I

01:38:25.240 checked, the answer was no. So I think it's totally fair as a friend of Charlie's or just as an

01:38:30.820 American who believes that justice has to be done to demand an answer. And I'm not going to be

01:38:36.100 deterred from having people scream Candace Owens anti-Semite in my face. I'm just not ever going to

01:38:41.960 be bullied by that under any circumstances, because why would I? Do you see what I mean?

01:38:46.980 I hear you. I just think that jumping to, to your point, jumping to conclusions could be

01:38:52.680 reckless. Well, a lot of people are jumping to conclusions that Charlie Kirk was killed because

01:38:57.320 of his positions on transgenderism. That's jumping to a conclusion. We don't know that. 0.98

01:39:00.860 There's been no trial. But there was the letter that was picked up, right?

01:39:03.940 Okay. But what do we know about that letter? Nothing. That was a press release.

01:39:07.500 There's more evidence leaning towards the transgender issue.

01:39:10.760 Show me all the evidence.

01:39:12.320 So that's why we're having a court hearing.

01:39:14.380 Exactly.

01:39:15.640 But hopefully some of these questions are answered.

01:39:17.380 All sides are jumping to conclusions. 1.00

01:39:18.980 Anyone who says, shut up, he was killed by the trannies. 1.00

01:39:22.420 Do you know that? 0.99

01:39:23.240 I think what makes the whole process worse, though, is social media.

01:39:26.540 Oh, definitely.

01:39:28.000 That's why I haven't tried to stay out of this.

01:39:30.380 And you have your teams and you have the clashing opinions.

01:39:32.820 But how did it wind up?

01:39:34.480 How did Charlie Kirk's murder wind up a contest

01:39:37.700 between people with different views on foreign policy?

01:39:40.820 I think that's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

01:39:42.480 Good question.

01:39:43.560 It's a good question.

01:39:44.800 I think a lot of people are nefariously using

01:39:47.140 Charlie's passing for self-gain.

01:39:51.000 And I think that's wrong.

01:39:51.880 But also for ideological ends and foreign imperatives,

01:39:55.220 like that's really clear to me.

01:39:56.800 Like, how did this become about that?

01:39:59.140 If it's really just about transgenderism, 0.70

01:40:01.880 then why is every person insisting

01:40:04.420 it's only about transgenderism

01:40:06.020 also attacking the mou like what what are we looking at now alex brucewitz like i don't know

01:40:12.980 look i'm a medium iq person maybe even a low iq person but i'm just like noting what's happening

01:40:19.640 and asking what does it add up to and i don't know good question but it's weird i hear you

01:40:25.160 you should be a shrink man you have such a like a calming i hear you so i think that uh the whole

01:40:34.340 thing was was was terrible i remember where i was when when he got shot i was actually in a meeting

01:40:38.940 in washington dc i got bored in the meeting so i started looking at my phone and i saw

01:40:44.680 trolley got shot i'm like what the and i said once i saw the footage i actually started crying

01:40:49.780 because i did too i thought there was no way that he was going to survive that i did too and um

01:40:54.540 look it was it was uh it was tough and the aftermath has been even tougher and you know

01:41:02.400 i think that erica gets treated incredibly unfairly by the media by the pundit class

01:41:11.040 i think she's got such a i mean a tough thing going on for her it's the worst thing i can

01:41:16.340 and and you know she wanted to be strong and you know charlie charlie put on a show everything he

01:41:21.280 did he put on a great show yeah and people are criticizing erica for continuing in charlie's

01:41:28.160 footsteps with the fireworks i haven't read a i haven't read a word of that i think it's been

01:41:32.340 i think it's been be honest with you i think a lot of it's been pretty uh unfair i think they

01:41:36.500 asked some fair questions um but i think the treatment of her generally has been horrible

01:41:43.360 and i think people should apologize to her well i i was texting with her yesterday

01:41:48.120 and uh about yeah so whatever personal stuff but i yeah i there are few people i feel sadder for 0.66

01:41:56.300 than her yeah because the fact is no matter where you are in anything here's a woman who's a widow

01:42:00.520 with two small kids yep and those two small kids just uh had their first father's day uh without

01:42:06.700 charlie i'm aware yeah no and no we want justice for charlie and we should be demanding it yeah

01:42:11.620 but i think it's a disservice to use him for political gain i totally agree gain of viewership

01:42:17.720 on their podcast it's a disservice for netanyahu to make it about netanyahu which he did that was

01:42:22.020 a unique it was disgusting yeah i didn't i don't think that was necessary you know that's the one

01:42:25.960 guy i think i think he's chronically online i don't think there's anything overtly nefarious

01:42:31.540 i think bb's chronically online really i think he very much cares about the sentiment about him

01:42:38.220 on social media in america that's why he saw and and he has the problem of people that are

01:42:45.580 chronically on ron de santis was chronically online we took we took advantage of him for being

01:42:50.240 chronically online during the 24 personally checking his phone yes scrolling seeing what

01:42:54.820 people say about him really and if you remember de santis really had a moment when kind of trump

01:43:01.760 was kind of in no man's land after the 2020 election yes de santis started having his moment

01:43:06.720 and what he would do is he would see what was trending on right wing x that day the next day

01:43:13.580 he would do a press conference or come on my show or go on your show addressing that issue

01:43:19.060 and it made him seem like he was one of us when in reality he was just reading what we were

01:43:24.900 talking about and then taking action oh that's smart it was a good political no it's totally

01:43:29.640 right he was chronically online and so in 2024 when he ran for president we muddied the water

01:43:36.140 for him every time he looked on twitter people like me were tweeting about his boots and his

01:43:40.740 choice of footwear or the makeup he was using that day and we made x a place for him that he

01:43:46.740 didn't like and he kind of lost his mojo he couldn't really figure out what got in his head

01:43:51.240 so we got in his head live by the algorithm die by the algorithm i think bb you know there's

01:43:58.980 theories about him that he's this grand mastermind of all these no no no i think he's chronically

01:44:04.160 online he's a day trader i totally i think he sees what people say about him on social media

01:44:07.860 and he reacts to it.

01:44:09.780 And I think that's, when you're the world leader,

01:44:11.400 I think it's terrible.

01:44:12.980 And that's why I love the president

01:44:14.700 for not feeling the pressure

01:44:16.920 from the chattering class on these issues.

01:44:21.860 And he's not hearing it from the chattering. 0.83

01:44:23.400 He's not hearing, he's not taking the opinions 1.00

01:44:26.460 of these paid influencers who want the war to continue.

01:44:29.920 I think that's great.

01:44:31.100 But I also think, you know,

01:44:33.160 you need to synthesize your own opinions

01:44:35.120 with those of the people you represent.

01:44:37.020 Sure.

01:44:37.540 People care about gas prices more than they care about the...

01:44:40.220 Who cares about the Iranian nuclear program? 0.91

01:44:42.540 Like, talk about getting in people's heads,

01:44:44.920 convincing Americans that the Iranian nuclear program

01:44:47.140 is more important than gas prices

01:44:48.700 is like the craziest thing that's ever happened.

01:44:49.600 I don't think X pundits are a place where you can...

01:44:52.280 I don't think X is a place you can get the sentiment

01:44:54.080 of the American people.

01:44:54.340 I totally agree with that.

01:44:55.940 But public opinion polling over...

01:44:57.720 You don't have to respond to every poll, of course,

01:44:59.180 but like, what are Americans' priorities?

01:45:01.280 Where President Trump gets his opinions from

01:45:02.920 is when he goes to Pennsylvania

01:45:04.480 where he went to a truck factory yesterday.

01:45:06.400 Well, Miriam Adelson also calls.

01:45:08.680 So like, that's bad.

01:45:09.800 I'm sorry.

01:45:10.540 It's bad.

01:45:11.180 I think the president takes more direction

01:45:15.340 from the patriots who showed up

01:45:17.060 at the Pennsylvania rally yesterday for him

01:45:18.880 than his donors.

01:45:20.940 Well, he, I think he always has.

01:45:23.720 And that has been his great strength.

01:45:26.300 That has been his great strength.

01:45:27.340 And everyone would always make fun of Trump

01:45:28.640 for doing these endless rallies

01:45:29.780 and giving these endless speeches or whatever.

01:45:31.600 But I always felt,

01:45:33.300 and I didn't want to watch them all

01:45:34.240 because there's just too many of them.

01:45:35.480 but i always felt like it was important for him it was like he loved it for one thing but it was

01:45:42.580 he could feel the energy from the crowd and like their interest you can engage people's interest

01:45:47.300 by their response to your lines yeah super important exercise well i encourage you if you

01:45:53.360 like those i encourage you to watch as many trump rallies as you can because they're not going to be

01:45:56.980 here forever and you know actually i've been to a lot of trump rallies one of the things

01:46:01.560 uh i regret now in my life is charlie and i both spoke at this charlie kirk and i we both spoke at

01:46:08.300 this event in south korea i spoke before him and i was tired you know the jet lag yeah and charlie

01:46:14.220 was about to go on stage and he's like oh you stick around you know let's be speak i said no

01:46:17.920 i gotta get out of here i gotta go i mean i'm tired and it was charlie's last public speech

01:46:22.260 and i didn't you know stick around to watch it because i was tired so you know same with trump

01:46:27.500 You know, look, Trump is not perfect.

01:46:30.300 I think he, but I think he is the best that we've had, at least in my lifetime.

01:46:35.260 And I think he loves the country.

01:46:36.620 I think he loves the people of the country.

01:46:38.280 I think he genuinely cares about the people that he goes out and he wants to represent

01:46:42.760 in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Ohio and Florida.

01:46:46.800 I think he genuinely cares.

01:46:48.740 And do we have the greatest team around us in the Republican Congress and Senate?

01:46:52.420 Absolutely not.

01:46:53.780 But we have two years left of the Donald Trump experiment. 0.99

01:46:57.500 And if the Democrats win, that experiment's going to be muddied by impeachments and bullshit. 0.91

01:47:04.940 And so, you know, I do encourage your audience to get involved in the primary process as much as they can. 0.75

01:47:12.100 If they don't like the Republican who's currently in office, go get somebody that you do like.

01:47:16.820 But we have two years left of the Donald J. Trump experiment in our country.

01:47:20.960 And I think people are going to miss him when he's gone.

01:47:24.060 I want the last two years to be wholly focused on the United States and not on Netanyahu's concerns or Zelensky's, anyone else's concerns.

01:47:32.480 Like, that's kind of your problem and, you know, we don't hate you, but like deal with your own problem.

01:47:36.720 You know, we were having a discussion before this about Latin America.

01:47:39.520 Yeah.

01:47:39.700 Right?

01:47:40.440 I think it's exciting what's happening in Latin America.

01:47:42.360 I totally agree.

01:47:42.680 And administrations before this one were more focused on the Middle East and countries that were thousands and thousands of miles away while our own backyard has been suffering. 0.80

01:47:55.920 And because of the suffering in the backyard, all of these illegal aliens came into our country. 0.95

01:48:01.380 You don't even tell me, man. 1.00

01:48:02.620 That's why I'm so mad about the Iran war.

01:48:04.140 But this administration, this administration has prioritized strengthening some of these countries, not not at not at the cost of hurting our country, but but helping these countries become more stabilized, become more economically strong. 0.83

01:48:20.560 Because if they have if they have strong countries, the migrants are going to come to us on the hemisphere.

01:48:25.380 I think that the president has been more focused on this hemisphere than that, despite the excursion there. He's certainly more focused on domestic policies. And I think that as we get to the next four or five months of, you know, as we ramp up into the midterms, you're going to see a lot more of his domestic agenda. 1.00

01:48:49.080 question. Can you ask him to just stop listening to people who don't like you, don't have your

01:48:53.740 best interest or the nation's best interest at heart? Just ignore those people, whether it's

01:48:59.520 whatever Mark Thiessen, as you called him, or Mark Levin, as I call him, or the Murdochs,

01:49:05.760 or whoever, people who are just like, and just return to the concerns that, you know, your

01:49:12.740 voters love you for, caring about, you know? Did I say Thiessen incorrectly? I don't know.

01:49:17.940 who even cares? Like, what is that? I've never heard of this guy except for when I see him on

01:49:22.260 social media. I don't know what he does. I think that the president hears the opinions of as many

01:49:28.620 people as possible. And he'll ask if the janitor was in the room, he would ask the janitor about

01:49:34.560 his opinion on that topic. You know, he doesn't, you know, he's got his advisors, he's got his

01:49:39.260 cabinet members, but then he has the public sentiment. He goes to a rally and he pulls the

01:49:43.860 crowd. Do we like sleepy Joe or, or, uh, uh, crooked Joe better? You know, he, he, and that's

01:49:49.920 a, that's a cute example, a silly example, but he feels the energy when he says something in a

01:49:54.660 speech, he can feel. Let me ask you if the janitor, and I love that about him. I try to be that way,

01:50:00.640 you know, just like keep your filter course. You get a lot of information and then winnow through.

01:50:07.160 I text with janitors, literally. I'm with you on that. But if the janitor says to you,

01:50:11.780 I got a hot stock tip for you.

01:50:13.400 Take $500 million and, you know,

01:50:15.180 go into this IPO and the IPO tanks

01:50:17.140 and you lose all the money.

01:50:19.080 Next round, you're not taking investment advice

01:50:21.080 from the janitor.

01:50:21.840 You're like, you cross him off the list

01:50:23.200 of people to consult for investment advice.

01:50:26.440 If Mark Levin and Mark Thiessen

01:50:28.220 and Sean Hannity and Rupert Murdoch

01:50:29.940 all come to you and are like,

01:50:30.720 I've got a great idea.

01:50:31.300 Regime change, we're going to run. 1.00

01:50:32.320 All you got to do is kill the Ayatollah. 1.00

01:50:33.440 The place will collapse. 1.00

01:50:34.460 They're going to put some pro-Israel,

01:50:35.980 pro-America guy to run the place.

01:50:37.800 You're like, okay, you do it.

01:50:39.620 It doesn't work.

01:50:40.300 you got to have to cross them off the list of people to consult for future for policy advice

01:50:45.880 i don't think it went down exactly that way but i but but i the president seeks out counsel

01:50:52.580 from many people and he doesn't take the opinion of one person to make a decision on that and so

01:50:58.060 but i do hear what you're saying i personally don't want any advice from mark levin personally

01:51:04.400 And I think he's incredibly unhelpful to the country. I don't think he's brought any voters to the Republican Party. I think he pushes people away from the party. But it's not up to me, you know.

01:51:20.740 and, and, you know, then there's people on the other sides of issues that I also should think 0.79

01:51:25.760 have no say because they're crazy. They're crazy the other way. But again, it's not up to me. 0.97

01:51:31.160 And so, you know, the president, I think what's so great about him is he's willing to have

01:51:36.320 conversations with people. Does he act on everything that people tell him? No. Sometimes,

01:51:41.100 you know, he might be more aligned with that group. Sometimes he might be more aligned with

01:51:46.400 the way you think but uh he he's the president for everybody he's focused on doing in his opinion

01:51:54.260 what's best for the american people that's his focus um and so you know we get the fun part of

01:52:00.320 just being cheerleaders on the sidelines for whatever the hell we believe in and want to do

01:52:04.760 so you know that rides you know the trump experiment's gone in two years and i think

01:52:11.900 we're all going to miss it so i encourage you even if you disagree with him on something even

01:52:18.000 if you if you don't like what he's doing i know you still love him personally just remember that

01:52:24.640 two years from now he's gone and we're going to miss him and we're going to be complaining

01:52:30.180 that the whole process is so fucking boring again because everybody before trump was so 0.87

01:52:36.560 fucking boring unless it gets way more exciting in a bad way which i'm against 0.94

01:52:41.040 who knows we'll find out in two years i i really appreciate your breaking the embargo and coming 0.92

01:52:49.000 to see me it was great great to see you thanks

The Tucker Carlson Show - June 26, 2026

Trump’s Social Media Advisor Reveals All： Epstein, Iran, and Mark Levin’s Israeli Propaganda

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