Tucker and Dan Bongino React to the Trump v. Harris Debate
Summary
Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) is a potential 2020 Democratic presidential candidate. She's a fierce opponent to President Donald Trump and has been a loud critic of his for years. But is she a threat to the president? Is she a danger to the country? And should she be allowed to have a gun? CNN's Dan Bongino joins Jemele to discuss all of that and much more on this week's After Show with Jemele. Guests: Producer Justin Wells; Senior Producer Dan Bolland; Senior Director of Strategy and Strategy for CNN's "The Five" Alex Blumberg; Senior Vice President of Strategy & Strategy for NBC's "Meet the Press" Rachel Maddow; Senior Digital Producer for NBC News' "Today" Rachel Goodman; Senior Political Commentator for CNN s "The Daily Show" with John Avlon; Senior Congressional Correspondent for NBC s "Inside the Beltway" with Jake Tapper; Senior National Security Reporter for CBS' "The Tonight Show with John Dickerson; and Senior Producer for the New York Times' "New York Times" with Rachel Goodman. Thanks to our sponsor, Caff Monster Energy Drink Co. and our patron, Jimmy the Greek. Don t miss it! Enjoy this episode of After Show: Eat Like It with Jimmy The Greek! Subscribe to the After Show on Apple Podcasts Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices. Rate/subscribe to After Show recommendations and subscribe to Aftershow: What's good for you? Subscribe on Audible Subscribe on Podchaser and Subscribe on Spare Spaceship Subscribe on the Spare Cash App? Rate/Review on iTunes Subscribe on PODcouch=A& other podcasting & more! Learn more at Audible Rate and review our new podcast on Podcoin Share the show recommendations on iTunes Become a Friend of the show? Subscribe & Share it on PodCharity! Rate & Review our podcast Connect with a fellow podcaster? Leave Us on Apple Music Thanks for listening to the show and Subscribe to our Podcasts? & Subscribe on Social Media Send Us a Review & Share a Review on iTunes & Review a Podcasts! Share a Podcast? Learn More about your thoughts on a Podcasting Insta-Friended Podcasts & Subscribe to Our Insta in a Podcast by Instagrasm & More!
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This is one of those rooms where, in fact, this is not just one of those rooms.
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This is one of those states where I really feel like if I knew every person in here, I would like every person in here.
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I evaluate people on the basis of my olfactory senses.
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I really try to be as close to my dogs as I possibly can, and my dogs know instantly whether you're someone they want to have dinner with,
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and I'm just getting a very strong aroma of good people.
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I'm a little distracted by last night's debate.
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And I know everyone has a different experience.
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I'm sure everyone watched or many people watched.
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And by the way, why is that not the headline in every paper in the world, internationally, from Frankfurt to Tokyo?
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In fact, I'm so pro-gun I don't even talk about it because it makes me too emotional.
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And she's the only person I've ever said that about.
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And is anyone going to ask what kind of gun and why she has it?
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She has no idea what side the bullet comes out of.
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I spend an inordinate amount of time watching gun videos on YouTube.
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So that was my main thought about last night's debate.
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And so dark that I was pondering it in the shower today.
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And I want to tell you what I thought because I actually felt like I came to some important conclusions.
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And then I'll stop and get to the meat of the show with Dan Bongino, who's such a wonderful person who's here.
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And I ran into two great people from Beverly, Massachusetts.
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And by the way, Tulsa is such a nice town that she goes, I want a picture.
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And this woman's like, you left your phone in the Uber.
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No city I've lived in would any Uber driver say anything other than, oh, a new phone.
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But anyway, they're like, oh, we're so glad to meet you.
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One, and I've made fun of Kamala Harris since Kamala Harris was dating Montel Williams.
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I don't care if she becomes emperor of the universe.
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Like, I will never stop making fun of Kamala Harris because it brings me such deep joy.
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It's a sign of life when we can laugh at someone like Kamala Harris.
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She's not sinister and creepy like the guy she's running with.
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But watching Kamala Harris last night actually made the hair of my arms go up because I realized
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something that I had felt before, which is that she has no limits at all.
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This is someone who is clearly not a person of faith, doesn't think God is watching, thinks
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she is God, has no kids, so he doesn't care about, you know, the future and the way that
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people who have descendants, I'm just being honest, do care.
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And it feels like she can do anything, actually, and would do anything.
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And I thought, man, I'm glad I'm not someone she hates because I could...
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Because if I'm being totally honest, she didn't seem like a buffoon last night at all.
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The process for taking power is memorizing a series of lines fed to her by her friends
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And she has a long track record of putting people she doesn't like in prison.
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Especially, I don't know how much time you spend around rich people, but there is this
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kind of conversation that you hear if you're around rich people, which is like, well, I'm
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Actually, there's something about burning your boats.
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And my ancestors burned their boats hundreds of years ago, actually, here.
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So like, I literally am tied to this country as deeply as anybody can be.
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And you're not allowed to come in and just take it over.
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And send in new voters from around the world to, like, eat my cat and get you elected.
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By the way, the spirit of hilarious resistance lives on the internet.
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If you haven't looked up cat memes in the last 24 hours, treat yourself.
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It's like, no matter how dark it gets, there will always be somebody on Twitter who's just
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like a brilliant person, like brilliant person, who comes up with an even funnier Save Our Cats
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And I thought, you know, this woman actually scares me for the first time.
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You know, it was funny to make fun of her when she was this person who no one has ever
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And for those of us who grew up in a system based on the idea that, you know, in order
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to wield power, you have to have the consent of the governed.
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That was actually the idea the country was founded on.
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That government has no legitimacy apart from the approval of citizens, period, because
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The people who work for Kamala Harris do not own the country.
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The mayor of your town doesn't own the country.
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Anybody who works for the government works for you because you own the country, period.
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And kind of like any other job, you serve at the pleasure of the employer, as I found
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The person who owns it gets to decide who works there, right?
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So, you know, that's just the most basic arrangement in the world.
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If you catch your housekeeper stealing, she doesn't get to lecture you, right?
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You get to fire her because you're her employer.
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And our government servants, you know, or they're our servants.
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They belong to us because this country belongs to us, period.
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And so I've never really been afraid of any politician in my life because why would you
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If I do something wrong and you can prove it, then put me away.
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But you can't just hurt me because you don't like my politics or because I criticize you
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or because I point out that you're incompetent, greedy, and dishonest.
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You can't put me in jail or for pointing out that your friends killed Jeffrey Epstein.
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So there's really never been a time where I felt like, ooh, this is scary.
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And it was only after getting a text from one of my many children who was like, I think
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Trump did a great job and Kamala's an idiot and everything's going to be fine that I calm
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But I did think like, what are the perils to me, to all of us in a moment like this?
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I mean, there are just too many, 350 million people.
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Like we don't have the capacity to throw all the thought criminals in prison.
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The real threat actually is a much deeper threat to ourselves.
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So I have noticed for the past, say, 10 years, I've been in this, roughly this business for
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It's really accelerated in the last 10 years where everyone who disagrees with the people
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in power is a bad person, is some species of hater.
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It's not just that you're wrong about tax rates or even gun control or abortion.
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It's that you're, you hate women or you're a racist or, you know, you're some species
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And of course, the irony is that in general, the people they call those names are the best
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You know, they're the most likely to help their neighbors, no matter what their neighbors look
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They're the most likely to leave the beleaguered waitress a big tip, actually.
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Studies have been shown, have been done on this that show that people with our views are
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much more likely to give to charity, much more.
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And so actually, it's a pure inversion of the truth.
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It's a sign, actually, of evil when you lie like that.
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And those of you who have children are familiar with a lot of them because kids lie.
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And it's always a little bit shocking when you catch your four-year-old who's like the
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center of your life and the most beautiful, pure being ever to exist.
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And you catch that child lying because, you know, that's just part of what it is to be
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Like, you come downstairs in the morning and, like, the Oreos are gone.
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And your four-year-old comes down and you're like, did you eat the Oreos?
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And the four-year-old is totally ashamed to be caught because the four-year-old wants your
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love and acceptance and, you know, does not want you to be mad at him.
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And so he tells a lie that's like three degrees off the truth.
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And that's a very, and you scold the child for lying because you want to raise honest
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In fact, that's really what you want out of life is honest children.
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That's not the kind of lie that our leaders tell us.
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The kind of lie the leaders tell us is the exact mirror image, the photographic negative
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So if you caught Kamala Harris and said, Kamala Harris, did you eat those Oreos?
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And there's something very effective about that because it throws you off.
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I grew up in a world that kind of thought Martin Luther King was onto something.
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And we should judge our fellow Americans because there are fellow Americans.
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We should judge them by what they're like as people.
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And the Christians among us, which in my childhood was most of us, understood that God created
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So you may be super annoyed at somebody, but in the end, God created him too.
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So you can't write people off on the basis of how they look.
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You can definitely write them off on the way they behave.
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But people like Kamala Harris have created a system that's pretty common to the system
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we claimed we hated, where everyone is judged by their appearance and their genetics before
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And so for her to turn around and tell me, or you, who actually would like to live in
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a colorblind meritocracy, which was like the promise of this country, that you're the
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racist, it's like, no, you ate the Oreos, honey.
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But there's something about that kind of lying that throws you off base.
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It's like so stunning that someone could lie with that little effect.
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Like all of us, like a normal person, not even a good, particularly good person, like
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let's just say me, you don't feel good telling a lie.
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Like your face twitches or you kind of look down.
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Because nobody could make that claim unless there was a little bit of truth to it.
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I remember being called, the first time someone called me racist, I was like, huh?
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Anyway, after a while, watching people lie like that, and particularly watching them lie
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in the very specific way they do, which is accusing you of moral crimes, it can make you
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They call you a hater enough, it will make you hate.
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Maybe not on racial lines or whatever, but it'll fill you with hate.
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To be attacked like that so unfairly, and to watch people wreck a country that your ancestors
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built, that they did nothing to build at all, and to sort of give it away to the rest
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of the world, give cell phones to people here illegally, what?
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You can't afford a house, but they're giving housing vouchers to someone who broke the law
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You don't have to be anti-immigrant, which I'm not, by the way.
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That's just, I'm against that because that's the most unfair and insulting thing anyone's
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Like you're scraping against, you know, barriers in the Walmart parking lot and not changing
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Like you don't care, and that can fill you with hate after a while, and I would argue
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I don't think any of this is political, actually.
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They're always telling you they're going to make a better society.
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By the way, if Kamala Harris, like, just fixed the roads, made the DMV a little better,
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Drop the price of breakfast cereal by a dollar, I'd probably, you know, I wouldn't like her.
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And part of the thing they seek to destroy is you from within.
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They call you a hater in the hope that you'll become one.
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And so how do you, and the reason, the reason that you can't let them do that is not for
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But it's not just because I disagree with it ideologically.
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And as someone who lived in D.C. for a long time, I saw it.
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I saw people I really loved and respect to become completely consumed with hatred.
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Almost all on the left, maybe some on the right, but not that I can think of.
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But the Trump thing, I watched that whole thing.
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And I watched people who were, and I'm thinking of one of my closest friends who was like a
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wonderful person, nice family, very smart, way smarter than I am, become so obsessed
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Not disliking Trump or disagreeing with Trump or calling him orange, all of which is fine.
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But actually, hating to the point where his entire world revolved around hating this one
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guy, to the exclusion of everything else, including love and joy.
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But in the other 49 states, it's pretty common.
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And, you know, a lot of it is just displacing your own unhappiness or frustration with being
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middle-aged or whatever, the sadness of life, onto something else.
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But it's also true on a much deeper level that hating itself is bad for you.
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And your first goal ought to be to love the people around you.
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That's the reason you're here, is to help people around you.
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And you can't do that when you're filled with hate because you're completely distracted
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And so you have to keep that out because you'll become like them.
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And if you become like them, then what is the point of the exercise?
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You might as well join them, get a job at some private equity firm, you know what I mean?
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It's actually, it pays a lot better to be them.
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In the last election, Bobby Kennedy just told me this.
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I didn't know what I thought, but I think a lot of him now.
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He told me that in the 2020 election, Joe Biden's voters, I think there were several
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It was two or three times the population of the earth voted for Joe Biden.
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But in this country, just in this country, Joe Biden's voters held 70% of the wealth in
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the United States and Donald Trump's voters held 30%.
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So that tells you how the parties have completely inverted.
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And so for working people or people who've been excluded from the current completely fake
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economy that they've created for themselves and their own enrichment, it's Trump is the
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And so I guess if you wanted to be rich, if you want to participate in the fake economy
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that doesn't actually make anything, it just loots, you would already be on their side.
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But you're not because your conscience won't allow you to be.
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And the other thing that they're all about is violence.
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And, you know, I've been on the right my entire life.
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And one of the things that I think we forgot is that it is absolutely wrong.
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In fact, it is the greatest sin to kill people except in self-defense, period.
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And that's a pretty clear religious order, actually.
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It's in the books that we have that we refer to constantly.
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And you can argue about what self-defense is and a lot of really smart, decent people have.
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I'm only saying if you're taking glee in shedding human blood, you're a monster and you're serving
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And you should never, ever take joy in shedding human blood.
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It's kind of weird to feel like that's a controversial statement, but it shouldn't be.
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And it's terrible for you to worship the suffering of other people or violence or human sacrifice,
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They had an abortion ban outside their convention.
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So, that's just killing for its own sake because you think you're, you know, going to be more
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So, I think the response to them, here's what I would argue.
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The response to them, whatever happens, you cannot let them steal your soul.
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And so, the first thing to remember is that the only real way to judge how you are doing
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is not by living on the internet or some social media app or externalizing all of your fears
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and anxieties onto some politician or political campaign or whatever.
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It's to look around to the people around you in your orbit, the people for whom you're responsible.
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And responsibility occurs, in my opinion, in concentric circles.
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And this is an act of God in the life of every human being.
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God puts people right around you and then a little farther out around you and then a little
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farther out and your job is to work from closest to you outward to make sure everyone's okay
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And then when they are, you move to the next circle and then the next circle.
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And then finally, when every single person who's related to you, who went to school with
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you, who works for you, who works with you, who lives down the street from you, when they're
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all fine, then you can send mosquito nets to another country to help people you don't
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But the first responsibility, the reason you are here, is to love the people around you.
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I'm in the, and you can hear it in the audio probably, I'm in the back of an SUV outside
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Anyway, we're on the road for this month-long tour and there's a lot going on in the world.
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And the question is, how do you understand what's happening?
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You probably sense that and it would be helpful to have some grounding in exactly what they
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have a much better understanding of what you're watching every day.
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And if God puts people right next to you, your job is to serve them.
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And that's the way you measure success and happiness.
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If you don't have a spouse or children, you know, bless you.
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And you have, you know, the potential for great joy.
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It's your relationships with people right next to you.
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And if all of them are doing pretty well, you're doing pretty well.
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It doesn't mean what happens to your country doesn't matter.
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The country that your ancestors built, that does matter.
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This is the final beacon of light to the world.
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It's not just some dumb cable news talking point.
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But the first thing that matters is how the people around you are doing.
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And that's why they spend so very much time trying to divide you from the people closest
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That's why they're always encouraging you to insult your grandparents at Thanksgiving
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How to have the conversation with Grandpa, the racist anti-COVID vax guy.
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Anyone who tries to break apart other people's families is a monster and a criminal.
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I've been 33 years in the media, so I can promise you that's true.
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But don't let them divide you from the people you love, which is another way of saying,
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don't let them divert your attention from the things that really matter, which are the
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And the second thing that you should remember, they're going to try and goad you into violence.
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Now, you could certainly make the case that in some cases it's justified.
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When I was growing up, if someone got creepy, like, sexual with your kid, you got to punch
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And so I don't understand why every school in the country has these therapists and nurses
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who are having creepy sex talks with your kids.
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Like, why don't people, we're the dads, actually.
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You're not allowed to have creepy sex talks with my kids.
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And I don't care if you're some, like, heavyset nurse who's like, oh, I'm just doing it.
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I don't care how they describe themselves or tell you what they think they're doing
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or whatever lie they make up to justify what's actually happening, which is creepy sex talk
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If it was a stranger in the park, you'd punch them out.
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So I'm just noting that I'm not advocating violence.
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I guess what I'm saying is it's very obvious to me that they are violence worshipers.
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They've spent the last 20 years paying very close attention to every federal agency with
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They love killing people for no reason in other countries just for the sake of it because
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Hillary Clinton laughs as she talks about the murder of somebody.
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No normal human being feels glee at the death of another human being.
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So, if we get to a point in this country where things are really moving, you know, in the
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wrong direction in a threatening way, you still should not commit violence.
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You have to be willing to stand up and say, I'm not going to put, I'm not going to hurt
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I can think there's one sort of famous leader in first century Palestine who did that.
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And there have been, you know, subsequent leaders who followed his example.
00:30:10.220
If you want things to change, you have to make sacrifices.
00:30:13.660
And those do not have to include hurting other people physically.
00:30:17.480
But they do include being willing to be inconvenienced or punished.
00:30:22.040
And the question at that point arises, well, how serious are you about it?
00:30:27.060
If you actually felt your family was threatened, what wouldn't you give up in order to protect
00:30:32.240
Would you give up your safety and your convenience?
00:30:37.340
And the last thing I will say before turning it over to my friend Dan Bongino is that you
00:30:47.960
And I have a terrible tendency to go right to sort of bitter, nasty mockery.
00:30:56.620
That's a reflection of my own diseased soul that I can't just make normal jokes.
00:31:02.020
Of all the things she's done, the fact that she was Montel Williams in the side piece is
00:31:06.080
the first thing I go to because it's like hilarious.
00:31:13.380
So is my wife, as she's pointed out many times.
00:31:15.360
But the capacity to laugh at what you're seeing around you and especially laugh at yourself
00:31:23.000
to note how inherently ridiculous you are, so important.
00:31:28.000
And I worked in a business my whole life of people who are really smart and talented and
00:31:34.120
But the one thing they didn't have was the capacity to laugh at themselves because they
00:31:37.720
could not admit how inherently absurd they were.
00:31:40.020
And I always wanted to mandate as a rule all the TV networks I worked at where every male
00:31:44.760
anchor would have to have mounted a full-length mirror outside his shower.
00:31:49.560
And I just felt like that would solve the problem immediately because, and I'm including myself
00:31:54.500
in this, like there's no way as a man that you can all of a sudden catch sight of yourself
00:31:58.940
naked, lumpy, furry, this kind of lopsided primate and take yourself that seriously.
00:32:08.620
I don't know, I don't have a ton of mirrors in my house, but occasionally I'll be on the
00:32:11.640
road in a hotel and be like, what the hell is that?
00:32:19.220
I can't believe my wife, bless my wife, never mentioning that to me.
00:32:25.360
But it's so, and it, you know, obviously there's horror and an attempt to spray the
00:32:31.680
mirror with shaving cream to make the images stop.
00:32:33.940
But after I calm down, I'm like, I'm so glad I saw that because I've been restored to reality.
00:32:42.760
You know, one of the saddest things about modern society is the light that our cities
00:32:46.400
emit at night prevent us from seeing the stars.
00:32:48.880
And when you can't see the stars, it's not just because I'm interested in astronomy, which
00:32:52.840
I'm not, I am interested in perspective very much.
00:32:57.880
When I look up at night, the first thing I think is, boy, am I insignificant.
00:33:01.180
I actually don't think I'm the center of the universe.
00:33:05.020
Like, I don't think I'm the most important thing.
00:33:06.820
And it's good to know that because I'm not, actually.
00:33:09.480
And humor is a really great shortcut to that understanding.
00:33:13.160
If you can laugh at yourself, if you can laugh at the situations around you, you have
00:33:20.260
And the important perspective is, this is just a blip on a timeline that goes on for
00:33:29.140
But that kind of lets everybody know you feel that.
00:33:33.400
But the most important thing about humor is there's nothing that your opponents hate
00:33:38.160
more than being laughed at because they think they're God.
00:33:41.380
And when you laugh at them, it is like hitting the wicked witch of the West with a garden
00:33:49.060
They just melt into this cackling pile of witch clothes.
00:33:55.840
And if you make fun of them, you disempower them because you tell the truth about them.
00:34:13.680
If they were evil and smart, we'd be in serious trouble.
00:34:18.320
They may have dark intentions, but she's still dumb.
00:34:25.260
So with that, I want to introduce Dan Bongino, who, from my experience spending the day in
00:34:35.080
Tulsa, I've learned everybody knows Dan Bongino.
00:34:41.620
So I just want to add very quickly my perspective on Dan Bongino, whom I worked with.
00:34:46.580
I actually had Dan Bongino on when he was running for office, when he just left the Secret Service.
00:34:58.120
Dan Bongino is one of the smartest people I've ever met, actually.
00:35:00.780
Dan Bongino has the ability to boil down what's happening, incredibly complex things, into
00:35:11.360
He can tell you exactly what's happening in one phrase, and he does it in a Queens accent,
00:35:16.260
Queens New York accent, which is just absolutely the greatest.
00:35:19.180
And the second thing I'll tell you about Dan Bongino, you probably already suspect, is
00:35:23.840
he's one of the toughest human beings in the world, for real.
00:35:26.640
Not just because he can do 50 one-arm push-ups, which he can.
00:35:37.480
And you know that the measure for most men is how you deal with your employer.
00:35:43.480
Because it's one thing to like, you know, be the tough guy in the bar, at your own dinner
00:35:56.140
If your employer's like, you know, I want you to do something that violates your conscience.
00:36:03.160
You're not humiliated in front of your loved ones.
00:36:05.140
It's just like, go ahead and do this thing and like, everything will be cool.
00:36:10.980
You know, just sort of violate your own moral code.
00:36:15.240
And I just happen to know for a fact that Dan Bongino's response was like, what?
00:36:23.020
And so Dan Bongino's definitely the kind of guy who would have a lot of trouble holding
00:36:29.360
And so Dan Bongino has made his own media business, which has been wildly successful.
00:36:33.920
And I'm proud to be his friend on the base of that and many other qualities.
00:36:58.120
I think you took work off to be here, which I'm really grateful for.
00:37:03.740
I think you're the first person I've asked this.
00:37:08.620
Well, here's what I, I usually have to, you know, the Bongino rule.
00:37:24.540
My statistics course and my math skills are terrible.
00:37:27.600
But what do I always tell you with the Bongino rule?
00:37:30.160
I say, give it about 24 hours to let a story brew.
00:37:35.740
We'll go and listen to what most of the jerkwads in the mainstream media have to say.
00:37:41.500
And then I naturally assume the opposite is true.
00:37:44.800
So when I heard this morning, after watching the debate and doing the live show, any of you guys tune in to our live stream?
00:37:57.280
We beat all these billion dollar media companies in my attic.
00:38:04.140
Siri with like wires hanging out of the ceiling.
00:38:11.080
So I get up in the morning and having run for office and having been on TV and in radio, I realized, you know, when you run and you got skin in the game, that everything you know about politics is probably wrong.
00:38:38.440
If my knee wasn't bad, jump off the stage and hug you.
00:38:43.280
And if anyone tells you it's anything different than these two things, promptly dismiss them as ignorant morons.
00:38:54.940
Guys like me and Tucker and all of you politically active patriots, you guys don't need to be convinced.
00:39:02.440
You guys don't need a white paper to understand that high marginal tax rates suck and all that.
00:39:10.260
The Americans out there who are busy, and I don't hold anything against them, who are busy and working and at soccer games, right?
00:39:18.160
They see a picture, and they see a soundbite, and they hear a soundbite.
00:39:23.180
So when I woke up this morning, I noticed that, do the snapshots and soundbites lens, I'm looking at the snapshots of Kamala Harris.
00:39:33.300
And I'm like, someone going to show me the good one?
00:39:35.180
She's like, no, I'm saying, what the hell was it?
00:39:43.980
Kamala, who's never been known as a thinker, she's like, the school bus.
00:39:56.020
Remember even George W. Bush, he was debating Gore, and Gore came over.
00:40:00.860
Remember he gave him a look, and that was the snapshot, right?
00:40:04.960
So the media's telling me it was this big, resounding victory.
00:40:08.860
President Kamala Harris, ladies and gentlemen, everyone go home.
00:40:12.420
And I'm like, okay, there are no snapshots, so I'm going to have to clean this up for my audience.
00:40:19.600
And I said, well, clearly there'll be a soundbite.
00:40:22.580
I won't take advantage of my opponent's youth and inexperience.
00:40:27.660
The 1980s called for their foreign policy back.
00:40:39.800
Because the left-wing media goons have a problem right now.
00:40:44.640
They did not want to, I'm serious, and it's a real problem.
00:40:50.900
They did not want to spread the BS soundbites around because they were all fake.
00:41:01.720
You know, the fine people thing, we've heard it.
00:41:08.080
So, sorry, I promise I'll keep my other answers tighter.
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If you say the truth and nothing else, you'll have an immense adventure as a consequence.
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But the truth will reveal the world the way it's intended to be revealed.
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And the consequence for you will be that you'll have the adventure of your life.
00:43:30.160
But, and the closer you are and the more emotionally invested you are, you know, the more emotional
00:43:36.140
But I didn't see any moment in that where someone's like, I'm really not sure who to vote for.
00:43:46.200
I think when you run for office and you see this too, you start to figure out too that
00:43:51.540
political narratives that the mainstream media tell you are damaging are typically not.
00:43:56.920
The only damaging political narrative or what would have hurt Trump last night, because
00:44:02.800
Now, is there going to be some cheating and scamming?
00:44:08.140
So if he's ahead, all he had to do was push last night.
00:44:14.240
And so if he lost, there had to be a damaging and destructive political narrative.
00:44:19.000
The only damaging and destructive political narratives are ones that do this one thing.
00:44:24.620
They change your preexisting notion of who a candidate is.
00:44:32.540
You hear a story about Ted Cruz in a strip club.
00:44:40.960
Everybody believes him to be a far different guy, which he is.
00:44:46.540
Yet you hear that story, say like some country singer who's a real party or something, runs
00:45:00.300
That's why all those stories about Donald Trump, people had already seen him on the Howard
00:45:04.520
Stern show talking about being a young single guy in New York.
00:45:09.280
So I ask you, if Trump got hurt last night, what changed your mind?
00:45:19.880
But what changed your mind about Kamala Harris?
00:45:23.020
Well, 28% of voters say they don't know who Kamala Harris is.
00:45:33.740
What did she tell you last night to change your mind?
00:45:44.480
And I think you and I, I mean, you're like, you are the master debater.
00:45:53.320
If you listen to my show, you know, don't say them fast.
00:45:58.920
You have to say, if you, but you did this for a living on TV in front of 4 million people
00:46:06.360
You're, it's our instinct to go, gosh, you had it.
00:46:11.820
There were a couple answers that probably could have been tighter.
00:46:19.220
I don't want to hear any talk about a red wave.
00:46:21.400
You're going to get kicked in the nuts again if you keep talking about that.
00:46:24.260
But I feel, sorry, I put a cup on, but I, I just like, I feel pretty good.
00:46:34.200
It's interesting that you said, um, that the, the Twitter, that X, that Elon Musk is a pivotal
00:46:45.960
So I'm reading this article in the, you know, the Washington Post, the, the, the democracy
00:46:54.260
It's a, it's always the opposite, of course, as noted of what they're saying.
00:46:59.960
But they are literally an iron curtain over information.
00:47:02.960
The point of the Washington Post is to hide reality from you, is to tell you that your
00:47:08.900
Like they had the balls to put that on like their masthead, like democracy dies at the
00:47:15.620
Anyways, I'm reading this piece the other day and the headline is, you know, it's the
00:47:20.260
thousand piece with the same title, Elon Musk's misinformation about the elections, a threat
00:47:25.360
to democracy from the people who voted the Russia hoax, the Hunter Biden's laptop with
00:47:34.100
And I thought, and I know, Tucker, you and I actually discussed this on my show when you
00:47:42.800
I thought to myself, like, folks, you know, the demons are real, man.
00:47:52.840
I was talking to this gentleman who runs a pro-life advocacy group, this guy Dan, who
00:48:01.200
And we're talking about a group of people right now who talk about the craziest things
00:48:06.260
like castrating kids in schools, showing them porn.
00:48:09.260
And I, you know, what you said before, I've heard you say many times, you're right.
00:48:13.300
Like, this is the kind of stuff 30 years ago, you'd be beaten up by the parents or arrested
00:48:20.940
And the thing about Elon that has them so threatened is Elon has provided a platform for the first
00:48:27.300
time, and Elon's not, he's a self-admitted not conservative.
00:48:32.560
That has them genuinely threatened because the liberals built this thing.
00:48:36.940
They built essentially this new global, almost like cosmic town square with Starlink, right?
00:48:44.320
They built this cosmic town square, which they thought mistakenly was going to create a monopoly
00:48:56.780
This Tony Stark-like billionaire comes in and buys the platform and says, listen, I'm not
00:49:07.660
And I'm going to let you conservatives talk, and the entire world melted down.
00:49:13.360
I mean, there is nothing that frightens the liberal, right?
00:49:23.200
The modern liberal's biggest fear is the community don't.
00:49:27.060
There is nothing the liberal hates more than being embarrassed because they're not used
00:49:33.320
Listen, you worked at CNN with Crossfire and all these people.
00:49:37.420
They are so used to being at these bourgeois cocktail parties.
00:49:42.440
They're so used to having the foie gras fed to them and people kissing their ass.
00:49:46.960
Remember the old adage was, don't mess with people who buy ink by the barrel.
00:49:51.560
People mess with the cops before they mess with the media.
00:49:56.840
People are like, eh, well, community note, you dumbass.
00:49:59.880
And they look stupid, and they don't know how to respond.
00:50:05.320
The whole game has changed, and they don't know what to do.
00:50:10.500
So, I would say, I would put a little finer point on it and say, I've been around rich liberals
00:50:17.860
every single day of my life until four years ago when I just decided I'm never going to
00:50:25.900
And I think the secret that they're hiding, they don't hide the weirdness of their sex
00:50:33.840
The one thing they don't want you to know is that they're mediocre.
00:50:41.500
And so, they built this entire universe of non-profits and colleges and government bureaucracies, all
00:50:52.280
designed to give them employment, wealth, and status, when, in fact, they don't deserve
00:50:58.380
any of it because they're totally useless people, actually.
00:51:07.260
And I think social media have allowed us to see who they really are.
00:51:10.620
So, like, you know, Hillary Clinton is, like, not an impressive...
00:51:14.220
You know, I mean, she's evil or whatever, and she's worshiping Baal in her spare time
00:51:23.380
If you asked her, like, her deepest thought, it would be, like, today is the first day of
00:51:34.000
And social media allows everyone to know that, and so they just can't wait to put people
00:51:39.120
like you in prison, so you'll stop pointing it out.
00:51:47.820
You know, he passed, but he was my editor, actually, for years.
00:51:52.080
Man, he has an amazing book I can't recommend enough.
00:51:55.240
It's called Revolt Against the Masses, and it's a history of what Tucker just said.
00:52:00.700
You pointed that out just beautifully, and you segued nicely from social media, but the
00:52:06.120
gist of the book is very simple, that what Tucker said is accurate.
00:52:11.140
These people hate everything meritocratic or anything involved in a meritocracy precisely
00:52:19.200
They are completely mediocre people who yearn for this new aristocracy of ideas where because
00:52:26.600
they said something and they've got an NGO label next to them, that you're supposed to
00:52:34.020
And under the even mildest of scrutiny from a former cop who grew up in Queens, who asked
00:52:40.740
a simple question like, there's a pee-pee tape out there?
00:52:48.420
Like, Donald Trump drinks Diet Coke for breakfast, and it was a major story in the Washington Post.
00:52:56.480
And they're like, how dare you ask that question?
00:53:10.340
But, I mean, you having worked with these idiots, that's a brilliant point.
00:53:13.920
That in social media, you're exposed to their imbecility every single day, and they hate
00:53:20.020
it, and Elon won't give the buffer mechanism of deleting your account, and he allows you
00:53:32.140
I always thought because I worked in the media and people would always say they hated the
00:53:35.740
media, and I'd be like, all right, but it's not that big a deal that the media is rotten.
00:53:40.740
And I completely changed my view, but it's actually, it's people speaking is the thing
00:53:52.840
You can destroy our largest city, New York City, through unrestrained immigration, and
00:53:56.760
people are literally defecating on the sidewalk and getting raped on the subway, and it's like
00:54:02.000
But if you say something out loud that exposes their lies, they actually want to kill you.
00:54:09.700
So my question to you as someone who just left the media and built his own media, God
00:54:16.860
bless you for that once again, how long can they tolerate you, honestly?
00:54:21.960
Because what you do is not just inconvenient to them, it's like the thing they hate most,
00:54:28.800
I wrote a whole chapter in this last book about basically giving a middle finger to
00:54:35.960
these, it's not just leftists, by the way, it's swampy Republicans too.
00:54:44.540
I mean, listen, you know, you expect stupidity from the liberals, but what Tucker's getting
00:54:51.580
He's 100% spot on, and it's the swampy right too.
00:54:55.760
And, you know, how long will they let me speak?
00:54:58.160
I say all the time, like the most dangerous guy in my life, you know, probably cliched,
00:55:04.080
Cliches always have an element of truth to them, but they wouldn't be cliches, right?
00:55:07.160
The most dangerous person in the world is someone with actually nothing to lose.
00:55:13.440
I want to be macabre, and I'm not going to be like Danny Downer, but, you know, when you
00:55:16.960
get something like cancer and they're like, hey, man, you could like die and stuff, and
00:55:21.460
And, you know, who's got, where's my don't get dead guy here?
00:55:24.080
And I, what is your, like, that's, there you go.
00:55:26.940
What's the number one rule of the Dan Bongino show?
00:55:30.920
So when some, right, and liberals do things that help you get dead, but so does cancer.
00:55:38.240
So when you survive something like that, and you realize, gosh, man, you know, like,
00:55:43.720
I know I have an expiration date, but I was hoping it wasn't like next week or anything
00:55:52.280
I got involved early with Parler because I knew Twitter under Jack was a train wreck.
00:55:58.160
And it took $3 trillion companies to take me down.
00:56:02.440
You know, we were the number one app in the world, not in news, not in the world.
00:56:07.060
We built that thing from 200,000 users to 20 million in the year I was involved.
00:56:16.760
And it took Apple, Google, and Amazon to take me down.
00:56:36.080
I mean, we, my wife and I cried a lot about it because we really, you know, we, thank you.
00:56:43.680
So after spending a couple of days thinking about like, how do I stick it to them?
00:56:50.040
And I wound up having a conversation with this guy, Chris, and he had this company called Rumble.
00:57:00.140
And Chris asked me, he said, you think you can do with Rumble what you did with Parler?
00:57:08.620
I said, give me one more shot to stick it to these people.
00:57:17.480
That 13% of the digital video traffic last night in the United States was Rumble.
00:57:28.820
We were doing pet videos, you know, five years ago.
00:57:32.300
And thanks to his, so you can't let them win, Tucker, ever.
00:57:38.800
And then they said, well, what if they come get you on the servers?
00:57:41.780
So we were like, okay, let's build our own server farm.
00:57:44.960
And then someone said to me, and that's what we did at Rumble.
00:57:49.180
And then someone said to me, Dan, they're going to cancel you processing.
00:57:54.360
I said, how hard is it to start a processing company?
00:58:05.860
They're definitely not going to publish any of your books.
00:58:08.100
So I looked at my wife and I said, she's backstage.
00:58:10.320
I'm like, how hard is it you think to publish books?
00:58:18.560
Whatever they tell you you can't do, you go do it.
00:58:29.620
You pull the Leo DiCaprio from Wolf of Wall Street.
00:58:38.540
You tell these liberals, I will haunt you sons of bitches for the rest of your lives on this planet.
00:58:59.220
We're just going to, I'm going to cancel you idiots.
00:59:04.640
And then Rumble went and sued them later for screwing them up.
00:59:13.520
Whatever they tell you not to do, you do times 10.
00:59:27.880
I used to sleep on Kelly's floor in our house in Selden because we didn't have any air conditioning in the other room.
00:59:40.200
What does the HR department at your company say when you talk like this?
00:59:51.980
There were a couple of times I was doing Unfiltered, like this Fox show.
00:59:55.720
And, you know, some stuff with like, there was like some, always like a little squeeze sometimes.
01:00:00.240
And I'd come down and she'd be like, you did it again, didn't you?
01:00:07.180
Do you think like in your heart of hearts, deep, deep inside when you were working for
01:00:24.560
the company you just mentioned that you, did you think to yourself, maybe I don't have
01:00:38.560
You know, like I have a set of ideas and things I'm going to say.
01:00:41.760
And I really don't, I don't really give a damn about having some like moral or ethical
01:00:47.560
You know, there's a lot of things on my show I wish I could change.
01:00:55.460
And she's like, Dan, you know, I love your show, but you really have to like stop cursing.
01:01:06.380
Jesus doesn't like when people curse, but there's a part of me that really is hard to dig
01:01:11.600
out, you know, and it's this New York part of me.
01:01:14.320
And, and when I'm dropping like a massive F bomb, I believe me, I'm not proud of myself.
01:01:19.260
I mean, my, you know, sometimes I think, gosh, like my, my 12 year olds probably watching
01:01:23.980
this going, dad, please don't, but I'm just a really passionate guy.
01:01:27.920
And did you talk like that growing up at the tennis club in Palm beach or no?
01:01:33.700
Listen, brother, I learned how to swim in a fire hydrant in a corner of 64th place in
01:01:51.960
I've grown up in her forever, but we don't actually share any biological relationship.
01:01:59.260
So she would visit her dad in the city and then my dad would come and get us.
01:02:03.780
So in order to save the ride, my father would then pick her up at my house and drive
01:02:08.080
her back to Long Island after he dropped this off.
01:02:10.580
So yeah, man, he said, I mean, we, we grew up above a bar in a cock.
01:02:15.840
So I always get a kick out of it when some, you know, liberal, you know, bag tells me
01:02:21.880
like, you don't know what it's like to be one of us.
01:02:25.620
Like I was one of you before you were ever one of you.
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Like you have no idea, you know, when, when, when was your, and then you, you know, you
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So I was a cop in New York and I was never, ever a liberal ever, but I was definitely a
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It's the only thing that kept me from being a Democrat.
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I've never voted for a Democrat, never registered Democrat.
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But when I became a cop, I knew the conservative path was the only way you can only walk into
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so many generational broken homes where the grandmother, the mother, and the kids are living
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in the same rent controlled, you know, bug infested apartment and nobody has a job.
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You can only walk into that home a hundred times before you say, man, if this is the government
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helping, like, don't help me, please, whatever you, the old Reagan adage, right?
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Please, God, I'm not using his name in vain at all.
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And, you know, I, that's when I started to really see the light.
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And then since, you know, I, I'm always comfortable talking to you as a friend.
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I mean, um, sorry, I don't mean to be a buzzkill.
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I just lost my mom and, you know, she, uh, uh, thank you, brother.
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It was not that long ago and, um, you know, I, I, she had fallen down the stairs and died
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unexpectedly, but my mom was, uh, she loved me, but the system broke her, man.
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I mean, she, she was this really powerful, strong woman who had been through so much.
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And the problem is the government was always trying to help her was on snap and all these
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And when you tell people it's okay, not to add value to the world and be productive,
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A lot of people will just stop being productive and it really hurt.
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And I mean, outside of the just trauma of losing her.
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The part that still gets me now is I really always thought I was five minutes from saving
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I swear my wife could tell you, I was like, this time is it like, I'm going to get it
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And we're going to turn this ship around and can't save her now, you know?
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And I'm telling you, that's what the government does to people.
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It's why I'm so passionate like you about this cause me.
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My wife and I used to sit back at eight o'clock.
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I've told you this personally, you know, it's true.
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Cause I've told you many times and your monologue on Fox was must see.
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It was the only thing, the only thing, only thing I would sit there and like be pegged
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I watched the other guys, but it was like, that was my white boat.
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Because it was always something I learned that was insightful.
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Like I'm not passionate about, I'm not running for office folks.
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I am on the air every day as an evangelist for this cause.
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It's to warn people that government is a cancerous plague in your life.
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That outside of our military, a functioning court system and a local government for some
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roads and traffic lights, there is nothing these people will do for you that will not
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I don't want that to be true, but they don't have a single success, actually.
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I want to ask you specifically about something that has bothered me for the past six weeks
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that we do not talk about at all, and you are uniquely positioned to comment on it, and
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Man, you know, I was at a congressional hearing with some members of Congress who actually
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cared about it, Eli Crane and some others, not necessarily some of the leadership who,
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I'm not saying they don't care, they just seem don't really, it's just weird.
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Like the former president, potentially next president of the United States, was shot in
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A guy was murdered in front of his kids, and the stories disappeared into like the Superman
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You remember they send Zod to the, it's like, that's the story.
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It's like out there, and you're like, no one, nobody knows who the guy I was working with.
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If anyone, no one, there's not, not a social media picture has surfaced to this kid at all.
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So, someone asked me, was this an inside job, or was this intent?
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And I never say anything I can't back up, ever, because then my credibility's at stake,
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and I'm never going to be a sensationalist about it.
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But I will tell you this, layered incompetence is intent, correct?
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Can you repeat what you just said one more time?
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And if he goes to the mall on 110 degree Oklahoma City day, and he's drunk, sorry Chuck, he's
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not a drinker, but say, he's a smart cat, right?
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He's sitting right there, and he's drinking, and he's blowing through traffic lights, and he's
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got some young kid he's babysitting in the car, and then he walks in the mall and leaves
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But there is so much layered incompetence, we presume intent.
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So, when you're a secret service agent, like I was for 12 years, who's done, I mean, high
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level, hot zone protection operations everywhere from Afghanistan to Indonesia, you know, I've
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got the receipts to back it up, and that's why they never mess with me.
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You ever notice not a single person has come out from the secret service and been like,
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They don't even dare, because I'll just whip out the, remember this?
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Like, how are you walked out on stage at all when there's an open threat?
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How does a guy with a range finder manage to subvert an entire layered, you know, million-dollar
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So, you don't have to ask me, was it an inside job or not?
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But I can tell you for a fact, layered incompetence is intent.
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And although it is relevant, obviously, if someone on the inside knew about this, and
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I find it very suspicious that we know nothing about this shooter at all.
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If you, God forbid, you were to, you know, shoot a Democrat, which of course, do not,
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I am absolutely, resolutely against political violence.
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If you were to, God forbid, do that, I promise you the media would be talking to the neighbors
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But why don't we know anything about this shooter, this killer?
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So, if nobody cares that Donald Trump was just shot in the face six weeks ago, that lets
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No, I mean, nobody's saying, you don't find it odd either?
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Since the former president, better than probably 50-50 shots going to be the next president,
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How many people brought up that he was shot in the head?
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Now, listen, there's nothing even remotely, but I got to tell you, man, imagine, again,
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I protected Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, George W. Bush was like a Democrat sandwich.
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But you both know, God forbid someone had done the same thing to Kamala.
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There would have been a seven-minute montage of videos.
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They would have brought out, like, every single first responder who was there would have been
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There would have been a closing statement about it.
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Donald Trump was shot in the head, not in the halcyon days of, like, 1954.
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This just, I just saw a movie a few weeks ago when he stayed, I mean, I was coming out of
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The indifference to a man getting shot in the head on live television, and no one even mentions
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When I said to you before, brothers and sisters, man, the demons are real.
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Is it every good, you know, particle has an entanglement?
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But because I don't know what it is doesn't mean it isn't there.
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And the fact that not a single person brought up last night, David Muir, I mean, what was
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And then you get this Lindsay, whatever her name is, that they didn't even have the
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courtesy to say, you know, Mr. President, you know, we want to acknowledge what happened
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We feel really terrible from the family at ABC.
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It would have been a moment where I think even you and I can't stand ABC would have been
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And don't ever, don't know, there's two things don't ever do.
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Don't ever tell anyone your education because then you're probably an idiot.
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And this guy, man, it was like nothing happened.
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So whatever I do, trust me, he picks up because I never call him.
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And I said to him, man, being a Secret Service guy, you know, shot in the head on that, like,
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I can't, I'm horrified, you know, we let you down.
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And then he was like, I think he went on to, like, ask me about, like, Egg McMuffins or
01:14:17.200
Like, he's just like, you know, I'm like, he's just the most, any other politician would
01:14:42.320
And in fact, I mean, his first reaction to getting shot that night was, I can't believe
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And I thought, here, this guy's been attacked as a narcissist, among many other things, a
01:15:04.540
But I do think, and I don't want to get dark about it or whatever, but the fact that, I mean,
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for example, last night at the debate, he said to Kamala Harris, like, you've attacked
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me as a threat to democracy, not just as someone you disagree with or the opposing, you know,
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your opponent, but as like an actual threat to the United States and its continued existence,
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maybe you inspired the guy to shoot me in the face.
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And everyone's just like, oh, stop complaining.
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I mean, I don't know how else to interpret that.
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A normal person is horrified by someone getting shot.
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By the way, if Kamala Harris got shot in the face, I would be totally opposed to that.
01:15:52.120
Well, but what you're, you know, I think you and I always ask people to bring facts and
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data and we call them, yeah, jokingly call them receipts on the show.
01:16:00.500
Like, what you just said isn't even remotely controversial.
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I mean, that the left, I'm not going to stigmatize all Democrats, but that the modern left, the
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progressive, liberal, radical left, worships violence as a political tool of oppression
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is not even remotely controversial if you just read the news.
01:16:25.760
So BLM and Antifa decided it's a good idea to start burning down American cities, which
01:16:33.500
It's like, wow, they, you know, you ever hear, you know, the dog, you know why dogs
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like generally, they won't, they, you put a dog in a cage to train them because they
01:16:41.700
won't like shit in their own den kind of thing.
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Like they're burning their own cities down and you've got Ali.
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I mean, I'm not the first one to note you, you know, try that in a small town.
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It's not, it's not going to, it's like, you've got this, like, you're so correct because
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you've got this like Stockholm syndrome with liberals who are like, if I don't let another
01:17:12.780
angry liberal burn my liberal city down, then I'm part of the problem too.
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I mean, brother, you and I were on the air when this is going down and Ali Velshi from
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He's like, it's a mostly peaceful, but there's a building in the background, bro.
01:17:55.080
People ask me all the time, oh, political violence, what did January 6th say?
01:18:06.460
That's fascinating because Kamala Harris, according to the FBI, was almost killed by a pipe bomb
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and the only people covering it are freaking conservatives.
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You told me I'm supposed to be concerned about violence on January 6th.
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I'm the only one talking about it outside of a few other reporters like Julie Kelly.
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This is the most frightening part about the modern liberal.
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See, we're all God-fearing patriots in this room.
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So you have a built-in emergency break on your behavior, right?
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But it gives them, it creates an asymmetric war for us.
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Because of that emergency break, God, there are things you won't do to other people.
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You will not go and punch Tucker Carlson or me in the face.
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Because, not because someone told you not to do it, but because God has imbued in you a sense of values.
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The modern secular liberal has no emergency break at all.
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When the socialist talks about the ends justifying the means, they're not kidding.
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So political violence for them is totally justifiable because there's no moral compass.
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And if they say, well, if we put shock troops in the street, we'll own the streets, scare the hell out of the conservatives,
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and we'll engage in a group of hecklers' vetoes where they won't even speak out,
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And in their perverse minds, that calculus makes perfect sense.
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You just have to understand it or you'll always get your ass kicked by it.
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So what they're doing is committing vandalism against the country.
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They replace them with nothing except the homeless.
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I do think the main difference between left and right in this country, it's not political.
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It's one group is happy and the other group is truly miserable.
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So, by the way, people who hate themselves have no problem hating you.
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Be very afraid of people who hate themselves like Kamala Harris.
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When that camera came on her at the open, I spent my life on TV.
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And she kind of pulled herself together, but she was afraid.
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Not to get too personal, but what is your program for staying happy?
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She's become kind of a semi-celebrity just from my show and her, like, crazy date night stories.
01:21:29.940
But, you know, you ever read the book, The Natural?
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And there's a line where Roy Hobbs' girlfriend says to Roy, you know, that we all live two lives.
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The one we learn from and the one we live after that.
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And that's a great line, but it's the second part she says that really matters.
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She says the real path to happiness is through suffering.
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Now, there's a lot of, like, biochemical reasons beyond the scope of this conversation that I won't bore you with about dopamine and all this other crap.
01:22:03.280
But God gave you a really intricate happiness reward system.
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But the only way to access it so that it feels good, that really feels good, that it's deep, not liberal happiness.
01:22:19.880
I'm talking about true happiness where you feel you can die one day satisfied.
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Make no mistake and listen to what I'm telling you.
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This is the best advice you're ever going to get.
01:22:31.440
Not because it came from me, but because someone gave it to me.
01:22:36.740
So people ask me, like, I joke about this cold plunge thing I have, which sucks in the morning.
01:22:42.700
You ever jump in 40-degree water at 6 in the morning?
01:22:45.280
And every morning, and just sit there and freeze?
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Yeah, there's cold shock proteins and all this stuff.
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Your brain is intricately wired by the intelligent creator to have to earn every ounce of happiness.
01:23:10.400
My wife and I have a date night on Friday night.
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That's the one night a week, me and her let loose.
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I'm up every morning, working out, jumping in the damn cold plunge.
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I'm sitting there squatting, deadlifting, sweating.
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I bang out work from, what, 10 to 3 p.m., right back to show prep the next day, right in the sauna.
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My wife comes to me and doesn't do the cold plunge.
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When you're done with it, you ever listen to Goggins?
01:23:56.580
Your Friday nights with your wife are going to be the greatest gift you ever got.
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But I am as happy as a pig in a shit pile on Friday night.
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Who the hell gets up at 10 o'clock in the morning?
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I'm done with my day 10 o'clock in the morning.
01:25:05.200
So take us out with where you think the country is in a year and where you think the people
01:25:15.840
You described your listeners not just as people who tune in but as part of a movement.
01:25:24.380
I'm worried because having lived through, well, I was young with the Reagan revolution.
01:25:32.300
I don't want to pretend I was active in politics when I was 10.
01:25:37.940
But I did live through it and I became fascinated by it at the time.
01:25:41.480
So having lived through that and then having lived through Rudy Giuliani's New York, I have
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this expression, again, if you're listeners, you know what it is.
01:25:48.400
And the question I ask everyone, I know the country is blessed and touched by the hand
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I know evil is real, but I know good is real too.
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I can't pull a spreadsheet out of my butt and say, hey, here it is.
01:26:09.120
We should not have survived the Revolutionary War.
01:26:11.260
The odds were 5,000 to 1 we were to win that against the British Empire.
01:26:16.820
Well, some historians will tell you by a thunderstorm.
01:26:21.500
We should have never survived the Civil War and been more prosperous.
01:26:35.380
And it's not only, I mean, we've spent the country into oblivion.
01:26:38.940
We have, you know, I hate to wear it literally, right?
01:26:43.120
But we have, like, non-figurative morons running this place.
01:26:48.380
And not only are we still here, but we're the most powerful empire in the history of the known cosmos.
01:26:58.920
And you're like, so, forgive me, but that is not by power of human beings alone.
01:27:05.780
There's some divine, something divine about the United States.
01:27:18.720
Like I said to you before, an unintentional segue, like, think of the country as a collective organism.
01:27:23.940
It has to do things that suck in order to enjoy the good times.
01:27:27.520
And unfortunately, we do a lot of things that suck.
01:27:30.060
So, having lived through Giuliani's New York and Reagan's United States, I ask people all the time, do you think it's bad enough yet?
01:27:41.320
Because we'll always, Churchill said it, right?
01:27:43.720
Given, you know, given all the opportunities in the end, the United States will always do the right thing, right?
01:27:48.960
We'll always figure it out, but it has to get bad enough.
01:27:54.180
And what makes me worry, Tucker, is I just don't think it's bad enough yet.
01:28:00.060
I don't wish suffering on anyone, but I just told you I bring suffering on my own life because I know it makes the good times that much better.
01:28:08.520
And I know in New York, I live this, I live through.
01:28:12.880
I think 2,500 people were murdered in the city.
01:28:19.140
That's like Afghanistan, like under the Taliban.
01:28:23.400
And everybody in New York was like, oh, this is it.
01:28:26.180
They're definitely going to elect a Republican.
01:28:27.720
They were finding two, three dead bodies a day.
01:28:32.440
And I don't know if you guys remember what happened.
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2,500 more people were murdered for four more years.
01:29:01.260
People died, like actually died, brutal deaths.
01:29:10.840
And then he ran again four years later after cleaning the city up.
01:29:16.020
You know what he won by in a city where the registration advantage was 10 to 1, Democrats or Republican?
01:29:29.900
So I'm optimistic because I know there's a divine hand of God touching this place.
01:29:35.060
I'm just afraid we're not even close to bad enough yet.
01:29:39.400
And anyone telling you, oh, yeah, it's bad enough.
01:29:46.480
Under Jimmy Carter, you had mortgage rates that were 15%.
01:29:54.380
You're out there thinking what me and Tucker are thinking.
01:29:56.400
We want to just wake them up and go, you don't have to do this cold plunge thing.
01:30:02.140
It's called, like, don't get dead and don't be an asshole.
01:30:11.740
Try to give as little money to the government as possible.
01:30:15.880
And, like, don't cut my kids' genitals off when they're young.
01:30:34.820
Next time we meet, I would like, not in a live setting, but a very detailed description of your Friday night.
01:30:44.040
You guys hear my updates on Monday on the show, right?
01:30:51.360
We've actually been, like, thrown out of bars and stuff.
01:30:53.800
You know, Kid Rock has that song, get tossed in a mix and thrown out of bars.
01:31:24.080
I hate to tell you that it's still going on in 2024, but you know what they can't censor?
01:31:29.220
And that's why we are hitting the road on a fall tour for the entire month of September, coast to coast.
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Greenville, South Carolina with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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