What is MAGA, and why is it important to understand what it means to be a part of a political movement that is trying to turn the country into the opposite of what it was intended to be when they voted for it.
00:03:07.720But this can happen not just to the Democratic Party and the Communist Party, the Bolshevik Party of 1917.
00:03:14.680It could happen to really any party, including the Republican Party, including the party of MAGA.
00:03:20.820It hasn't happened necessarily, but there are people who would like it to happen.
00:03:25.980And so without attacking them personally and with the sincere belief that they're acting out of their own interests and their own beliefs and trying to subvert a movement that they did not create and nothing to do with.
00:03:37.840But they're doing it for reasons that they think are valid, you know, with taking out the possibility that they're just evil, trying to destroy something.
00:03:44.780Giving them every benefit of every doubt, there are some pretty highly aggressive people in Washington, D.C., who are trying to turn the MAGA movement into the opposite of what it was created to be.
00:03:58.820The opposite of what voters hoped it would be when they voted for it.
00:04:02.820What tens of millions of Americans believed it was.
00:04:05.300And so before that happens completely and before we forget what MAGA once was, it's probably worth stating in very clear terms what it is.
00:04:23.820We don't have to guess because Donald Trump for 10 years, 10 full years, 2015 to 2025, has been articulating again and again and again a remarkable level of repetition, actually, five consistent themes about what this is.
00:06:16.660The purpose and duty of the American government is to represent the United States of America.
00:06:22.880Another way to put it would be the duty of the U.S.
00:06:26.380government is to make good on the core promise of democracy, which is that the country operates on behalf of its owners, the citizens of that country.
00:06:39.040You may not remember this, but he was because he used a phrase that Charles Lindbergh, who was, by the way, not an anti-Semite, but who did oppose American entry into World War II, along with tens of millions of other Americans, used very often.
00:06:52.400The America first movement was the American movement of the late 1930s, early 1940s, pushing the Roosevelt administration away from joining a war in Europe.
00:07:08.680And probably the most famous living American at the time, Charles Lindbergh, who in 1927 flew across the Atlantic Ocean solo, truly a hero, was the leader of this movement.
00:07:19.860And, of course, history being what it is, rewritten by the victors, he has been slandered ever since as some sort of hater or pro-Hitler, anti-Semite, or something.
00:07:52.420You mean the government doesn't operate on that principle?
00:07:55.040We always assumed that our government, which we pay for, which does everything it does in our name, the country that we were born in, that our ancestors built, we assumed they were always acting on our behalf.
00:08:06.840That every decision was made through the lens, is this good for the United States or not?
00:08:10.580And it took Donald Trump's entry from real estate into politics in 2015 to awaken the rest of the country that actually, no.
00:08:20.180Many decisions, some of the biggest decisions the U.S. government makes, have no reference point at all in American interest.
00:08:25.360They just don't care whether it's good for the United States.
00:08:27.920Well, that's not only inherently anti-democratic, it's illegitimate.
00:08:54.600You can have only one true allegiance, and it needs to be to the United States.
00:08:58.580You can't have dual citizenship because you can't have dual loyalty.
00:09:02.540In the same way that polygamy, for whatever its benefits, doesn't work very well in the long run, because you can't be truly loyal to two wives.
00:09:15.500And you can't be truly loyal to two countries because sometimes their interests intersect, but very often they diverge.
00:09:22.460And you have to pick one, because there's a fork in the road, and you can only take one path.
00:09:27.300And it has to be the path that serves the country that you live in, and that's the United States of America, America first.
00:09:35.400So that's the first principle of MAGA, and every decision that this ruling coalition makes has to be made through the lens of America first, period.
00:09:43.980But there are four remaining pillars that derive from the first.
00:09:49.780The second point that Trump made again and again and again and rode to the presidency that year and once again in 2024 is that the country has to control its borders.
00:09:59.920If you do not control your borders, you are not a country, because a nation state is a physical place identifiable on a map.
00:10:27.740We're going to have strong, incredible borders, and people are going to come into our country, but they're going to come into our country legally.
00:11:12.380And they didn't want to build a wall because they didn't want distinct borders, and they didn't want distinct borders because they weren't nationalists.
00:11:19.540So by saying that, Trump didn't actually end up building the wall, but he did end up revealing the nature of the people running the country, which is completely deceptive and rotten.
00:11:30.920They were deceptive and rotten, and they were busted being that way.
00:11:35.040And to this day, they've resisted actual border control.
00:11:38.860And to this day, they're digging in their heels on deportation.
00:11:41.340And to this day, they're denying that the Native population, the American-born population, is being replaced.
00:11:50.560It's hardly hate to note what the numbers are.
00:11:53.140But the numbers show very clearly that people who were born in this country and whose parents and grandparents were born in this country are soon going to be a minority.
00:12:03.760They're being replaced by people from other countries.
00:12:10.060It's a great replacement reality measurable through census numbers.
00:12:13.540And the resistance of both parties to acknowledging that simple mathematical fact tells you everything about their intent, which is highly sinister.
00:12:45.560And the people who live in the country have a moral and legal right to choose who else joins them in the same way that a homeowner has a right to decide who sleeps in his house because it's his house.
00:13:10.780The third pillar of MAGA, and this is something that President Trump, now President Trump, then candidate Trump, articulated from the very first days of his campaign, is that the war on terror and all pointless wars, wars that do not serve America's direct national interest.
00:13:28.520In other words, wars that are not wars of self-defense, wars that are not repelling an invasion, are pointless.
00:13:34.300And worse than pointless, they are bad for the United States.
00:13:38.020They are corrosive of our social order.
00:13:39.880They completely overturn our society on some hard-to-measure but yet obvious overtime level.
00:13:50.520And they're almost never waged in an effort to serve our interests, but instead to serve the interests of other countries.
00:13:55.180He said that for the very first time in the February, I think, of 2016 GOP primary debate in Greenville, South Carolina, when he said right to the face of former President Bush's brother, Jeb, the Iraq War was a disaster.
00:14:13.840And at the time, that was considered so shocking that people couldn't even believe he said it.
00:14:17.300In fact, at Fox, where I then work, one of our most brilliant analysts said, you know, he made a huge mistake because South Carolina, checking the briefing book, South Carolina is the highest proportion of military veterans of any of the states.
00:14:29.180And of course, naturally, they love the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
00:14:38.060They've been exposed as dummies and liars.
00:14:39.980No matter what the briefing book says, the opposite turned out to be true.
00:14:43.840Which is that people who had wasted years of their lives and lost friends and developed all kinds of psychological and physical damage from these wars, and were at the very least apart from their families for years at a time, these were the people most likely to be opposed to more pointless wars.
00:14:58.980But Trump kept up this theme, and in some ways, it was the most controversial thing he ever said, then or now.
00:15:54.840That was one of the most popular things Trump said in 2016, up until that was March of 2023 at CPAC, up until recently.
00:16:04.020Every time Trump says that, including in a UN speech not that long ago, he gets wild applause from his own voters.
00:16:10.420If there is one theme, if you were to survey 100 people who voted for Donald Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024, why did you vote for him?
00:16:19.880You would find an overwhelming majority voted for him in part because they don't want more pointless wars because since 2001 we've had an endless succession of them and we haven't won a single one.
00:16:31.900And every single one of them has weakened the United States in measurable ways and hurt Americans deeply in measurable ways.
00:16:39.680One of the reasons we have an opioid crisis is because of those wars.
00:16:43.120And not a single one of those wars was waged on behalf of the United States or its interests.
00:16:48.120Every single one of them was waged on behalf of our so-called allies or some stupid idea about turning the Middle East into Western Europe or something,
00:16:55.500even as Western Europe itself descended to a level that's below the Middle East, which it is right now.
00:17:02.800People feel deep and justified resentment about that.
00:17:06.140Donald Trump harnessed that and articulated it, and he was the only one to do it.
00:17:09.380That clip you just saw from CPAC in 2023, when he said that, the most popular Republican candidate at the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post and Fox News
00:17:18.500and among all the donors in the Republican Party was not Donald Trump at all.
00:17:24.300In fact, he was fighting to stay out of jail when he said that.
00:17:28.460It was going to be Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, who was a pretty effective governor of Florida and a much admired governor of Florida.
00:17:36.960But during that campaign, we also found out that he was just a tool of his donors and a screaming low IQ neocon.
00:17:41.760It was Ron DeSantis or it was Nikki Haley, who was busy telling us that we need Israel more than Israel needs us and other things that were so nonsensical and insane that no one dared ask her to explain them.
00:17:53.160Those were the candidates who were going to undo the damage that Trump had done to our sacred alliances with NATO and other countries we have literally nothing to do with and almost no common interest with,
00:18:08.480but to whom we send billions and billions and tens, hundreds over the years of billions of dollars to do what?
00:18:17.060To bring gay rights to Withalania or something?
00:18:21.280But a lot of people in Washington are getting rich from these multinational organizations, these peacekeeping organizations,
00:18:28.620and a lot of highly ideological foreign policy establishment figures who do not have America's interests first in mind and never have
00:18:40.700use those wars for their own ends, which again are not related to America's interests on any level.
00:18:47.300In fact, run directly contrary to America's interests, hurt America.
00:18:51.420And so at the moment when Trump was about to go to jail, it looked like, and fighting against what seemed like a wave of donor investment in Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis,
00:19:07.520he comes out and says, no, I'm the opposite.
00:19:31.680Donald Trump from day one, 2015, the famous escalator ride.
00:19:37.440In fact, going back 40 years in his CNN appearances, for example, Larry King or his work on ABC would almost always make the same point in various ways.
00:19:48.920But it was the same point, which was globalization shortchanges America.
00:21:12.180Here's one among a thousand examples of him saying that.
00:21:15.760Our politicians have aggressively pursued a policy of globalization, moving our jobs, our wealth, and our factories to Mexico and overseas.
00:21:28.180Globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy.
00:21:35.800But it's left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache.
00:22:45.980American companies were sold piecemeal to the Chinese for the profit of the people who owned those companies or who were financing, who owned the debt on those companies, et cetera, et cetera.
00:23:45.080Now, censorship is an ongoing threat in every society at every time in history.
00:23:49.640The powerful do not want the people over whom they rule to complain about the way they're ruling or complain about their behavior or, in our case, complain about their looting.
00:23:57.380And so they devise all kinds of schemes, sometimes dressed up as religious precepts.
00:24:36.620And Donald Trump, in his relentless attacks on, quote, woke culture, has been the most effective articulator of this in American politics in a generation, a century, maybe ever.
00:24:52.340Donald Trump has stood up against censorship, whether he knew he was doing it or not, from the very first day.
00:24:59.620By saying things you weren't allowed to say and then not apologizing for them, broadening the boundaries of acceptable discourse in public, taking the flack for, you know, broadening the famous Overton window again and again and again.
00:25:13.260Here's just one example from the last campaign of Trump explaining why wokeness is really just an attempt to make you shut up.
00:25:22.480Americans are exhausted, trying to keep up with the latest list of approved words and phrases and the ever more restrictive political decrees.
00:25:37.360Many things have a different name now, and the rules are constantly changing.
00:25:42.900The goal of cancel culture is to make decent Americans live in fear of being fired, expelled, shamed, humiliated, and driven from society as we know it.
00:25:55.880The far left wants to coerce you into saying what you know to be false and scare you out of saying what you know to be true.
00:26:06.240Exactly. Very nicely put, of course, from his acceptance speech last summer in Milwaukee when he got the Republican nomination for president.
00:26:16.620Cancel culture is a synonym for censorship, the effect to coerce people into repeating slogans they know are not true and not stating the obvious, the true things out loud.
00:26:30.280That is censorship. And Donald Trump took a public stand against it again and again and again and again and led by example on this question again and again and again.
00:26:39.140That is the fifth pillar of MAGA. So to restate, there are five components of the MAGA movement, ideological components, pillars, and they are America first, the belief, the guiding principle above all others that every decision the U.S. government makes ought to be to the benefit of the United States.
00:26:57.540Two, a country has to have borders. The people who live in a country decide who lives here. No one else decides.
00:27:04.060The people of the country should be in charge of who their neighbors are because they own the country.
00:27:08.780Number three, no more pointless wars. We've done it. It hasn't worked. This country has not actually won a war decisively since 1945, and we did it with the help of Joseph Stalin.
00:27:19.280So let's get real. This hasn't worked, and we haven't done it for ourselves. We've done it for others through lobbying campaigns, pressure campaigns, and ideological nonsense that in retrospect looks completely absurd, and those of us who fell for it are deeply ashamed that we did because it was dumb then and even dumber now.
00:27:36.600Three, globalization has not worked for the United States.
00:27:39.900You can't have an economy based on real estate and finance. Sorry, maybe if you're Hong Kong or Singapore, but a continent-sized country needs to make things.
00:27:50.340Finance and real estate are not productive industries. One just keeps reselling a piece of ground. Maybe you improve it a little bit, but ultimately, what have you created?
00:27:59.360And the other basically just loans money and interest. Now, they probably have a place in a broader economy, but if your whole economy is just finance and real estate, your country's going to die, and ours is, to the benefit of a small number of people, but not to the benefit of the 350 million who live here.
00:28:18.600And five, pillar number five, free speech is the basis of America. That's the fundamental human right that this country exists to protect, and so any attempt to abridge it must be fought tooth and nail, period.
00:28:34.960So you would think that every Republican would agree with all of these. In fact, you'd think every Democrat would. These are not controversial ideas.
00:28:41.820These are not, let's round our enemies up or something. These are not crazy. These are foundational American ideals.
00:28:50.680Trump has, from day one, been a moderate, actually. What's immoderate about those goals? Nothing, except that they challenged the way that things were done.
00:29:02.560And so, if you look at it with clear eyes, backward, for the last 10 years, Donald Trump's real battle has not been against Democrats.
00:29:11.420It's been against Republicans. Donald Trump was not a Republican before he ran for president.
00:29:15.020He was a Democrat or an Independent or a frequent talk show guest or a beauty pageant host or whatever, but he was not a Republican.
00:29:22.120And so his real battle was then and is now against the Republican Party and the existing players in that party hated all five pillars, all five, because they were a direct challenge to their stewardship of the party and the country over decades.
00:29:40.980And by this point, the Republican Party had been so captured by special interests, by donors, that they were committed to the opposite on all five, on all five.
00:29:53.400They were not acting. They didn't put the country's interests above all others in their decision making. That's ridiculous.
00:30:00.620They did absolutely nothing, nothing to secure the border. And they still aren't.
00:30:05.720Ted Cruz, who's a big MAGA guy. Ted Cruz, of course, ran against Trump in 2016, but Ted Cruz was a sitting senator from Texas for the entire Biden administration, where they sent over 12 million people into his state illegally over the border.
00:30:23.880Now, if Ted Cruz had held like a press conference every week and said to the governor of his state, Greg Abbott, I'm the senator from Texas, our state's being invaded.
00:30:32.960It's an entry point for the country. This is destroying Texas and America.
00:30:37.220Mobilize the National Guard today and seal that border. And if that precipitates a conflict with the federal government, so be it.
00:30:43.520This is illegal. It's immoral. And it's going to wreck this country. National Guard exists for a reason. Use it now.
00:30:48.760If he'd done that, that would have happened. But he didn't. Because he was busy serving his masters in another country, which is not our country.
00:30:56.780And that is true not just of Ted Cruz, who's the most kind of pathetic, craven example, but of so many Republican politicians.
00:31:03.760They didn't want closed borders because their donors didn't want closed borders.
00:31:07.420Of course, they were all in on the war on terror. And they refused even to look backwards and assess whether or not what they had advocated for had succeeded.
00:31:15.060They were all in on the Iraq war, like I was. But the difference is they refused to admit that they were wrong.
00:31:22.240And millions of people died as a result of that, of their being wrong.
00:31:26.300And our treasury was emptied and the U.S. dollar devalued completely to the point where gold is over 4,000 today.
00:31:32.540Why is that? Maybe because we spent like six trillion dollars on the war on terror, got nothing out of it.
00:31:37.820We sent pallets of cash to warlords in various countries. What do we get out of that? Nothing.
00:31:42.160We armed the Taliban. What do we get out of that? Nothing. The whole thing was insane.
00:31:46.060If you can't say that was bad, if you can't say I'm sorry for supporting that, you're a deeply corrupt person.
00:31:51.420And Trump called them out and they hated him for it.
00:31:53.920As to globalization, they benefited from it. Of course, they're tools of the finance class.
00:31:58.180Of course, every one of them. They had no real interest in ending that.
00:32:01.660And on free speech, perhaps most shamefully of all, the Republican Party's core institutions, its publications, National Review, the New York Post, Fox News, whatever, its think tanks, too many even to mention, all of them acted not as guardians of free speech, pushing the limits of acceptable discourse, encouraging people to open their minds and think creatively about what's best for the country.
00:32:26.640No! They acted as scolds, as crossing guards, forcing their fellow conservatives to shut up and get back in lane.
00:32:35.700That's the whole career of William F. Buckley, was telling fellow conservatives, that's not acceptable.
00:32:41.760They weren't for free speech. They were just the opposite. They were censors.
00:32:48.840And Trump exposed all of that. And they hated him for it. All of them.
00:32:54.220There are very few Republican office holders in 2016 or 2020 or 2024 or even right now in October of 2025 who sincerely like Trump.
00:33:04.080But they hate Trump. Because he represents everything they're opposed to.
00:33:09.160They hate Trump, including people who work for Trump, hate Trump.
00:33:14.080Here's one of Trump's new best friends back in 2016 explaining how much he hates Donald Trump.
00:33:19.480At some point, you got to stand up to it. I do not like bullies and I never have.
00:33:22.880So I will not be voting for Donald Trump and he can thank Roger Stone.
00:33:29.460And if they piss me off one more time, I'm going to urge millions and millions of you, should he get the nomination, not to vote for him either.
00:47:50.840They the Republicans that I work with, they they know they literally know that they are having to to serve this agenda as long as the president is is there in office.
00:48:03.820And they look at him like a speed bump.
00:48:06.820Many of them can't wait to get him out of the way.
00:48:09.860And so they can just go back to doing business as usual.
00:48:12.820And I find that repulsive, absolutely repulsive.
00:48:48.360We should be passing the discharge petition that Thomas Massey put in to release the Epstein files.
00:48:54.540Those are the things that we should be doing.
00:48:56.300And we most of all, Tucker, we should be passing our appropriation bills to actually fund the government and fund important projects that taxpayer dollars.
00:49:13.260And these are the things that this is why I have no respect so many times for our party, because they get on board and they campaign and they say America first.
00:49:23.440And they try to utter and mimic these Donald Trump talking points.
00:49:28.240But when it actually comes to getting to work and delivering those talking points into action for the American people, the people that voted for them, the people that knocked doors for them, that the sweet little ladies that gave three dollars, crumpled up dollars out of their pocketbook.
00:49:45.800I mean, all these people that worked so hard to give us the majority, when it comes time to doing that, what are we doing?
00:49:59.260But when it comes to the Republican Party, you're exactly right.
00:50:02.460And everything you said, the Mark Levins, the Ted Cruz's, the Lindsey Graham's, they're just playing the game, literally playing the game and trying to tell the American people, oh, oh, no, we carry the MAGA mantle.
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00:54:39.240The radicalizing moment for me, I think, was in June with the utterly pointless bombing of Iran.
00:54:45.860And I remember thinking, how many Americans have been killed by Haitians in the last 20 years versus how many have been killed by Iranians?
00:54:54.740I don't think in this country, I don't think we've had any Americans killed by Iranians.
00:54:59.060We've had a lot of Americans killed by Haitians, a lot.
00:55:02.320And yet Haitians get special protected status, but we're bombing Iran.
00:55:07.680And I just felt like that would be the kind of America first way to think about it.
00:55:11.940You know, let's create a hierarchy of threats, and let's just start with the death toll.
00:55:17.660And no Americans have been killed on American soil by Iran, you know, in my memory.
00:55:26.440I'm not endorsing Iran, but I'm saying from an American perspective, that's not even in the top 25 list of threats to us.
00:55:33.660So all these Republicans, I kind of expected to say, Mike Johnson is a completely corrupt person, but not Mike Johnson, but like people with souls in the legislative bodies.
00:55:44.060I expected someone to stand up and say that, and they all went along with it.
00:55:56.260I laughed so hard because I was like, you know, Fox News and everyone tells me that Houthis are the most dangerous human beings on the planet.
00:56:05.700And I literally can't find a single Houthi in my district.
00:56:10.120Well, can I just say, we are now, since we bombed the Houthis, consistent with American history over the past 70 years, we're going to import a lot of Houthis.
00:56:18.120Just if we've imported a ton of Afghans and Iraqis and, you know, every country we bomb then gets to move here under some special protective says.
00:56:26.760We're going to have full Houthi neighborhoods in North Georgia very soon.
00:56:43.540I don't know why I have to hate them so much.
00:56:45.640But but, you know, they've told me over and over again for 30 plus years that they're going to have a nuclear weapon any moment now.
00:56:52.900And they're going to bomb America and bomb Israel still hasn't happened.
00:56:57.940I was you know, another thing when when we bombed Iran on behalf of Israel, by the way, it was pretty interesting to me that hell was not unleashed.
00:57:09.100Like we were told it was going to be and I didn't see hell be unleashed on Israel.
00:57:14.460As a matter of fact, the Iron Dome that America funds, it worked and people in Israel were safe and people in America were safe.
00:57:24.480We didn't see a single bomb fall on our heads, on our homes, on our neighborhoods.
00:57:31.180We didn't see anything happen here like that has happened to Gaza now for for months and months and months.
00:57:37.540We didn't see children and toddlers being blown to pieces.
00:57:41.620We didn't we didn't hear about these horror stories.
00:58:05.060We've been at war with Russia through Ukraine for years now and it's absurd.
00:58:09.220And then the really most disturbing one is ever since I've been a member of Congress, they've been telling me that we're going to go to war with China, which I find absolutely absurd.
00:58:19.820And I'm like, why are we going to war with China?
00:58:22.300Is there any reason for us to go to war with China?
00:58:24.660But there's a really sick obsession, Tucker, that I think everyone is sick and tired of is the fact that American people work so hard and pay extremely high taxes for their tax dollars that have to constantly be used to to sell weapons and deliver weapons and pay countries to kill people.
00:58:48.420And people are so sick and tired of it.
00:58:50.380And the veterans in my district are sick and tired of it.
00:58:53.900But for some reason, this is the continuation of what Washington, D.C. does, no matter who's in charge, Democrats or Republicans.
00:59:01.800And that's why Donald Trump is absolutely 1,000 percent right in saying no more foreign wars, no more American tax dollars paying for this blood and murder industry.
00:59:16.800And that is one of the single reasons I think led to his first election and has led to his.
00:59:23.440But we're at a pivot point where the people who cheered on the wars in, I mean, name the countries, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria against the Houthis, whoever they are.
00:59:40.020Those people are poised to seem to be to take over the Republican Party.
00:59:45.060I mean, I thought the whole point of Trump's ascendance was to change the party to make it consistent with what Republican voters and not just Republican voters, lots of Democrats switched over to vote for Trump because they wanted those five pillars.
00:59:58.400And all of a sudden, the people who've for generations wrecked this country seem on the verge of stealing the MAGA copyright, slapping it on their own polo shirts and running the Republican Party.
01:10:50.920And to me, someone that really cares about our national debt and the ridiculous amount of spending that happens in Congress year after year, I was like, this is actually a victory.
01:11:01.220But what people need to understand is that's the perfect example of Thomas Massey and myself too and others willing to work within the conference and willing to negotiate and willing to say, all right, I'll give you something you want, but you have to give me something that I want.
01:11:19.880And that's what he's capable of doing.
01:11:23.120And it was for the good, the good of the entire country.
01:11:27.620My God, a 1% cut in the budget that never, ever happens.
01:11:32.460But here they lie about it every day and they call him, oh, he's no on everything and he won't vote for anything.
01:11:40.120And I am a witness, literally a living witness to watching Thomas Massey work diligently within our conference among Republicans and saying, okay, I'll give you something you want if you give this to me.
01:11:57.300It's for my God, for our children and grandchildren to actually reduce the budget and work on this national debt.
01:12:03.820And these are the stories I could tell many of these about Thomas.
01:12:08.500One of my favorite, Tucker, my favorite story about Thomas is when he actually stood up to the president.
01:12:16.320And it's quite a story because President Trump was so angry at him.
01:12:21.120And so was most of the Republican conference.
01:12:24.540And this is a story that I watched unfold on television, not because I was there in person, because I wasn't.
01:12:33.000I wasn't a member of Congress yet, but I watched it as an American citizen.
01:12:37.260And at that time, I was like, Thomas Massey is right.
01:12:41.500And it's when he forced Congress to go on record voting for the first gigantic, it was $5 trillion, basically a bailout when the country shut down during COVID.
01:12:55.460And they were going to let that bill pass $5 trillion of spending.
01:12:59.360It's really what started wrecking our economy with high inflation.
01:13:02.340But Thomas Massey would not allow that to be passed by voice because Congress constitutionally owes it to the American people to do these things right.
01:13:13.100And so he went to Washington and demanded a roll call vote on that particular bill.
01:13:19.580And that was the first major fight that President Trump and Thomas Massey had.
01:13:24.600But I'll tell you, if I had been in Congress then, I would have been right there with Thomas because I fully agreed with him, fully agreed with him.
01:13:40.460I've never been more angry in my life.
01:13:42.720And I was cheering Thomas Massey on at home saying, yes, at least there's one person in Washington willing to say this is crazy and trying to stop it, but at least getting a recorded vote from Congress.
01:13:55.620And so there's a lot of stories like that that unfortunately maybe people don't know about Thomas Massey, but they should, Tucker.
01:14:03.020They absolutely should know those stories, and I'll be happy to always tell them.
01:14:07.140Well, I think there's an important principle here.
01:14:08.900I mean, and I just want to say again, I get why Trump is mad at Massey.
01:14:11.780And I'm sorry it's gotten personal and they're tweaking each other and all that stuff, but Thomas Massey in the end is one of the most powerful explainers of Trump's own ideas, of Trump's own platform, of the reasons Trump himself got elected president twice.
01:14:28.720He is, on the most basic bedrock level, one of Trump's truest allies.
01:14:34.740I know they're pissed at each other, but that's just true.
01:14:37.300And so you can't allow that guy to get knocked out.
01:14:41.800Again, I get why they're annoyed with him, but you can't allow him to get primaried by three huge billionaire donors who are not conservative, who believe in none of the five pillars of MAGA, who've worked against them their entire lives.
01:14:53.680You can't allow that to happen because if you do, the nature of the movement of the coalition of the party itself will change forever.
01:15:01.860And anyone who stands up for the actual principles of MAGA will be destroyed, and that means it'll become what it was designed to replace, which is kind of Bill Buckley Republican Party, right?
01:19:02.620And these billionaire donors, you don't get to buy a district.
01:19:05.920You don't get to tell a group of people that that they can't have their representative
01:19:12.100that they have voted for over and over again.
01:19:14.680By the way, in the high 70s and 80 percent, he has voted in.
01:19:19.940You know, if that if that happens, then I will tell you, Tucker, then our our country is gone.
01:19:27.980If if billionaire donors that literally put another country, another foreign country before our own are able to buy a congressional seat, then the American people completely lose representation.
01:19:41.420Yeah, that's assuming they have it now.
01:19:45.480I mean, 70, about 70 percent, 70 percent.
01:19:49.700And this is across both parties of members of Congress take a pack money.
01:19:52.680That's gone on for my whole life as far as I know.
01:19:56.500But no one ever talked about it until this year.
01:19:59.220And now people understand what that is.
01:20:01.600If it's a foreign lobby acting on behalf of a foreign government.
01:20:53.120You want to know why they're offended because AIPAC doubles down and they're offended because Mark Levin calls every single one an anti-Semite.
01:21:01.240And every single name that he can sputter out of his hateful little face as he is so angry because people aren't bowing down and blowing up all of Israel's enemies.
01:21:12.280And it's like and it's when Ted Cruz is is losing his mind because people like me and you are just simply wanting to do what's right for our country and for our kids and our American businesses and our American border.
01:21:28.880And it's it's like that has gotten so in the face of just right in people's faces so hard that it's the whole thing is breaking and falling apart.
01:21:39.520Like this this this train has left the station.
01:21:42.460It's not coming back, especially with the younger generation.
01:21:57.700It's in Gen X and it's even seeping into the boomers.
01:22:01.400But the whole propaganda machine that has been spoon fed to Christians, whether it's in the pews at church or Bible study or coming through the television or through their politicians mouths that we have to do everything for Israel.
01:22:17.160That's the only way we're going to go to heaven.
01:24:34.000And they've been completely brainwashed by this deception because their leaders are themselves brainwashed or paid or who knows what their motive is.
01:24:52.180As a matter of fact, I did a call last night with, and there was many Christians that are from the West Bank and from Gaza on the call.
01:24:59.580And they were being very honest about all the horrible things that they have been through themselves and people they know have been through and the abuse that they take from the IDF and the abuse that they constantly take.
01:25:16.720And these are the atrocities that Americans, especially American Christians, need to understand.
01:25:25.780I've heard from so many Christians in the West Bank about how they are attacked constantly by settlers.
01:25:32.220I've heard stories about how their Christian churches are attacked.
01:25:35.860I've heard stories about how Christians there have been murdered.
01:25:39.500And if, you know, we can put Hamas aside if American Christians can't wake up to realize that, okay, hold on.
01:25:49.320If we've been lied to and these things are actually happening and they can't analyze it of why they're happening and who is actually doing it, then they really are lost.
01:26:11.820And it's some of the worst things happening in our lifetime.
01:26:14.880It's just like what's happening to Christians in Nigeria.
01:26:17.300There's real Christian persecution, and it's happening in Gaza, and it's happening in the West Bank, and it cannot be ignored.
01:26:25.940And Christian pastors, most of all, should be the ones talking about it, not making excuses for Israel and demanding that the people in their pews
01:26:36.000donate their money and give their loyalty and give their obedience to the country that is inflicting these horrors on Christians.
01:26:44.640These Christian pastors should be the ones calling it out.
01:26:49.120It's one of the most shameful things I've ever seen in my life, and it's one of the things that offends me more than anything.
01:26:54.900So I hope they repent, because I think it's really, really dark what they're doing.
01:27:00.800Last question, and this is just kind of a measure of where the movement is, MAGA, where the Republican Party is going, where the nation is going.
01:27:08.760Ted Cruz is planning to run for president for the Republican nomination next, you know, in next cycle, next presidential cycle.
01:27:17.220Why? I mean, that's, look, I'm not, you're in politics, I'm not.
01:27:23.560I think Ted Cruz is a sad, you know, needs to work on some personal stuff, and is one of the saddest people I've ever known, well.
01:27:30.920And it's unimaginable to me that he would run for president, it seems like a joke, but he clearly believes it.
01:27:36.800Why does he believe he can get the Republican nomination, do you think? And does he have a shot?
01:27:41.120Well, first of all, Ted Cruz is from Canada, not Texas.
01:28:40.100So there's people watching every single thing that any potential presidential contender is doing right now and watching what they're saying.
01:28:50.080And America voted for America first, and they meant it.
01:28:53.300And right now they're extremely angry.
01:28:56.840And I think that a lot of Republicans in Washington are so tone deaf to this, they don't even get it.
01:29:01.880But many Americans that voted for Republicans gave us the House majority, gave us the Senate majority, and put our favorite president back into office, Donald Trump.
01:29:16.820They're taking a hard look, and they're starting to be vocal about it.
01:29:19.960They are angry that everything costs so much.
01:29:23.760They're angry that Republicans refuse to get engaged and finally build the off-ramp to get off of Obamacare that Democrats created 15 years ago.
01:29:34.720It's like, come on, solve the problem, finally.
01:29:38.100At least give a policy idea and do something about it.
01:29:41.700But these Americans that voted for America first, they meant it.
01:29:45.700And here's the warning to Republicans, and I can't say this loud enough.
01:29:51.700People are not going to show up and work for you and doorknock for you and vote for you and give you money and sit there and hand you the majority and hand you full control over this country if you're not willing to actually deliver the agenda that the people demanded, that the people bought in, that the people are begging for.
01:30:20.740We had ridiculous spending, COVID lockdowns, forced masking, forced vaccines.
01:30:27.500They torched education by forcing kids to stay home, weaponized governments against parents, against pro-lifers, against J6ers.
01:30:37.040This is what the people absolutely remember.
01:30:39.820And so when they're looking forward to who they're voting for and who they're supporting, whether it's 2026 midterms or the 2028 presidential race,
01:30:49.340these are the things people are thinking about and they haven't forgotten and they want someone that they know and they can trust that is literally going to stick it out and finally deliver these things.
01:31:01.400Because right now they're mad about a $40 billion bailout to Argentina.
01:31:05.480They're really angry that our American cattle ranchers and beef ranchers are getting screwed and Argentina beef is going to be sold into America.
01:31:19.240They're really mad about a lot of things and they're sick and tired of the foreign countries constantly on television every single day at the White House.
01:31:26.920They don't want to see a foreign leader there.
01:31:29.280And I love Donald Trump and I get to say these things because I love him so much, Tucker.
01:31:35.200I get to say these things and I get to tell the truth because when the MAGA train left the station, I was on it the entire time.
01:31:43.120And then when everybody bailed and jumped off on it, I got out and I helped push it up the fucking mountain, excuse my language, to get it to the top so that we could win and get there.
01:31:53.080And so I get to say when things are going sideways and when they're going wrong, I get to say these things.
01:31:59.040And that's because my job title is representative.
01:32:01.960That means I represent the people and nobody else.
01:32:06.560I don't give a shit about Mark Levin or Ted Cruz or whatever, whoever, or somebody that has the name Turd in their name or some Israeli spy named Laura Loomer.
01:32:19.280I don't care about any of these people.
01:32:20.980They are irrelevant and mean nothing to me.
01:32:26.760They are the last people that Americans that work hard are ever really going to trust and support.
01:32:33.220And so you ask me and I'm giving you my honest honesty.
01:32:39.460I should say I think J.D. and his wife are over there trying to force Netanyahu to abide by the terms of the peace agreement.
01:32:45.700But I definitely agree that you see the stream of people going and wearing the outfit and getting their pictures taken at the wall and all that.
01:32:56.460And it does seem like a humiliation ritual.
01:32:59.480It is a humiliation ritual, obviously.
01:33:30.260And me, of all people, I can tell you, Tucker, I want our team to be more successful than anyone.
01:33:37.660But I have a really hard time with my team standing on the sidelines, refusing to actually get in the damn game and play the game and deliver.
01:33:50.040And the most – the biggest thing that disgusts me the most is actually sitting in and out and refusing to even get out there and fucking play.
01:33:58.700Excuse my language, but I am so pissed off at Republicans right now.
01:34:02.540This country gave us a one-time chance.
01:34:06.480And I have given up a lot of great things in my life.
01:34:09.800And I see it right now is you get in there and you get it done.
01:34:13.880And I don't want to hear another damn excuse if I have to watch another press conference with Mike Johnson up there bubbling around.
01:36:11.800And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9-11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks.
01:36:26.040They made money on the 9-11 attacks because they knew they were coming.