The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker and MTG on the 5 Pillars of MAGA and the Snakes in Washington Trying to Tear Them Down

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00:00:30.400 So there's this scene in Animal Farm.

00:00:32.560 It's the last scene in the novel, the famous George Orwell novel,

00:00:35.760 the one less referred to than 1984, but in some ways a lot better.

00:00:39.940 And there's this scene where the pigs and the men are playing cards at a table.

00:00:45.760 Now, for the course of the novel, the pigs are leading the animals,

00:00:49.740 the animals of the farm, in rebellion against the men,

00:00:53.700 whose cruel and capricious and greedy leadership has kind of wrecked the farm

00:00:57.760 and they've risen up collectively to take back what's theirs,

00:01:01.680 the means of production, and they're going to distribute the fruits equally

00:01:05.600 and everything is going to be fair and equitable and things are going to be great.

00:01:09.560 And the pigs naturally rise to the top of the hierarchy because they're the smartest 0.90

00:01:12.720 and following them are the kind of stalwart horses and the sweet-tempered,

00:01:16.740 trusting cattle, et cetera, all the way on down the chain.

00:01:20.400 And so it's left to the pigs to negotiate with the men, the former farm owners. 0.98

00:01:25.980 And of course, they hate the men, right? 0.99

00:01:27.600 They're the declared enemy of the men.

00:01:29.400 And in the final scene, the other animals are gathered outside the house,

00:01:33.240 nose is pressed against the glass, and the pigs are sitting,

00:01:37.840 basically partying with the men. 0.91

00:01:39.920 And for a moment, they become indistinguishable. 0.96

00:01:42.460 You can't tell the pig from the man. 0.83

00:01:43.980 They've melded into one. 0.99

00:01:45.140 In other words, the movement, the pigs led, has been completely corrupted 0.96

00:01:49.140 and become the mirror image of what it purported to be. 0.91

00:01:53.600 And the reason this, of course, was describing the Soviet leadership,

00:01:56.220 which overthrew an aristocracy only to install its own even more tyrannical version,

00:02:01.880 genocidal version, but it really describes almost all human organizations,

00:02:06.560 which unless you're careful and thoughtful and get into the consistent habit

00:02:13.020 of restating your principles out loud, most human organizations wind up resembling,

00:02:18.800 just organically over time, whatever force they were created to fight against.

00:02:23.820 They become inversions of themselves, mirror images of what they were intended to be.

00:02:27.920 This is just the way things are.

00:02:30.060 It certainly happened to the Democratic Party, by the way, in our lifetimes.

00:02:33.460 I mean, 40 years ago, the Democratic Party was the party of what?

00:02:36.860 Peace and human rights and, you know, against big business.

00:02:41.220 And since the Clinton years, of course, it has been the opposite of those things.

00:02:46.100 The Democratic Party has been the defender of oligarchy and the main driver of war.

00:02:52.680 And, of course, the sort of great proponents of censorship and the opponent of human rights.

00:02:57.520 My body, my choice, they say, is they force you to take the COVID vax.

00:03:01.360 And this has been noted quite a bit. 0.99

00:03:03.300 There's a pretty good book written about it several years ago, I would say, called Ship of Fools. 0.95

00:03:06.320 Sorry. 0.90

00:03:07.720 But this can happen not just to the Democratic Party and the Communist Party, the Bolshevik Party of 1917.

00:03:14.680 It could happen to really any party, including the Republican Party, including the party of MAGA.

00:03:20.820 It hasn't happened necessarily, but there are people who would like it to happen.

00:03:25.980 And so without attacking them personally and with the sincere belief that they're acting out of their own interests and their own beliefs and trying to subvert a movement that they did not create and nothing to do with.

00:03:37.840 But they're doing it for reasons that they think are valid, you know, with taking out the possibility that they're just evil, trying to destroy something.

00:03:44.780 Giving them every benefit of every doubt, there are some pretty highly aggressive people in Washington, D.C., who are trying to turn the MAGA movement into the opposite of what it was created to be.

00:03:58.820 The opposite of what voters hoped it would be when they voted for it.

00:04:02.820 What tens of millions of Americans believed it was.

00:04:05.300 And so before that happens completely and before we forget what MAGA once was, it's probably worth stating in very clear terms what it is.

00:04:17.960 What is MAGA?

00:04:19.080 Well, MAGA, of course, means make America great again.

00:04:21.720 It's an acronym.

00:04:22.420 But what does that mean exactly?

00:04:23.820 We don't have to guess because Donald Trump for 10 years, 10 full years, 2015 to 2025, has been articulating again and again and again a remarkable level of repetition, actually, five consistent themes about what this is.

00:04:41.480 What is MAGA?

00:04:42.720 So let's go through and name and explain the five pillars of MAGA.

00:04:48.480 It's not exactly the Bill of Rights, but in political terms, it's meaningful.

00:04:51.540 These are the founding principles of the governing political coalition that runs the United States right now.

00:04:58.000 And they are too rarely articulated.

00:05:00.820 So let's do that.

00:05:01.720 Let's start with number one.

00:05:03.500 What is the first pillar of MAGA?

00:05:06.360 Well, of course, it's America first. 0.93

00:05:09.220 Here's Donald Trump before he got the nomination for president and I think in the spring of 2016, explaining what America first means.

00:05:18.600 Here he is.

00:05:19.080 My foreign policy will always put the interests of the American people and American security above all less.

00:05:28.800 Has to be first.

00:05:30.180 Has to be.

00:05:31.660 That will be the foundation of every single decision that I will make.

00:05:37.640 America.

00:05:39.820 Thank you.

00:05:44.920 America first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration.

00:05:51.360 April 27th, 2016.

00:05:54.280 At the time, Donald Trump had been elected to nothing.

00:05:58.060 He'd not even officially secured the nomination.

00:06:01.420 Ted Cruz is still running against him until the Indiana primary the next month.

00:06:04.720 He was still just a candidate, totally unproven.

00:06:07.840 But the central theme of the next 10 years of his political life and of the country's political life is right there in that clip.

00:06:15.740 America first.

00:06:16.660 The purpose and duty of the American government is to represent the United States of America.

00:06:22.880 Another way to put it would be the duty of the U.S.

00:06:26.380 government is to make good on the core promise of democracy, which is that the country operates on behalf of its owners, the citizens of that country.

00:06:33.140 It would seem very obvious.

00:06:35.380 Of course, Trump was attacked for it immediately.

00:06:37.640 He was called an anti-Semite.

00:06:39.040 You may not remember this, but he was because he used a phrase that Charles Lindbergh, who was, by the way, not an anti-Semite, but who did oppose American entry into World War II, along with tens of millions of other Americans, used very often.

00:06:52.400 The America first movement was the American movement of the late 1930s, early 1940s, pushing the Roosevelt administration away from joining a war in Europe.

00:07:02.380 It doesn't mean they were pro-Nazi.

00:07:03.900 Many of them were very anti-Nazi, but they didn't think the United States had a role in that war.

00:07:07.960 And they said it.

00:07:08.680 And probably the most famous living American at the time, Charles Lindbergh, who in 1927 flew across the Atlantic Ocean solo, truly a hero, was the leader of this movement.

00:07:19.860 And, of course, history being what it is, rewritten by the victors, he has been slandered ever since as some sort of hater or pro-Hitler, anti-Semite, or something.

00:07:30.400 He was none of the above.

00:07:31.800 But the point is, when Trump used the phrase America first, he was attacked as some sort of deviant, moral deviant.

00:07:40.420 But the idea itself was so self-evidently true, like obvious, that for a lot of people, even non-Republicans, a light bulb went off.

00:07:51.760 Wait a second.

00:07:52.420 You mean the government doesn't operate on that principle?

00:07:55.040 We always assumed that our government, which we pay for, which does everything it does in our name, the country that we were born in, that our ancestors built, we assumed they were always acting on our behalf.

00:08:06.840 That every decision was made through the lens, is this good for the United States or not?

00:08:10.580 And it took Donald Trump's entry from real estate into politics in 2015 to awaken the rest of the country that actually, no.

00:08:20.180 Many decisions, some of the biggest decisions the U.S. government makes, have no reference point at all in American interest.

00:08:25.360 They just don't care whether it's good for the United States.

00:08:27.920 Well, that's not only inherently anti-democratic, it's illegitimate.

00:08:31.500 That's not a legitimate government.

00:08:32.540 If you have a democratic republic whose government is not acting on behalf of the citizens, you don't have a legitimate government.

00:08:39.180 That's grounds for overthrowing the government, actually.

00:08:42.640 So people were shocked by this, and Trump was attacked, but of course you know the rest.

00:08:46.560 He went on to win the nomination and the presidency that year, really on the basis of that idea.

00:08:53.160 America first.

00:08:54.600 You can have only one true allegiance, and it needs to be to the United States.

00:08:58.580 You can't have dual citizenship because you can't have dual loyalty.

00:09:02.540 In the same way that polygamy, for whatever its benefits, doesn't work very well in the long run, because you can't be truly loyal to two wives.

00:09:14.140 Sorry.

00:09:15.500 And you can't be truly loyal to two countries because sometimes their interests intersect, but very often they diverge.

00:09:22.460 And you have to pick one, because there's a fork in the road, and you can only take one path.

00:09:27.300 And it has to be the path that serves the country that you live in, and that's the United States of America, America first. 0.63

00:09:35.400 So that's the first principle of MAGA, and every decision that this ruling coalition makes has to be made through the lens of America first, period.

00:09:43.980 But there are four remaining pillars that derive from the first.

00:09:48.580 So it's America first. 0.94

00:09:49.780 The second point that Trump made again and again and again and rode to the presidency that year and once again in 2024 is that the country has to control its borders.

00:09:59.920 If you do not control your borders, you are not a country, because a nation state is a physical place identifiable on a map.

00:10:06.500 It has borders.

00:10:07.340 There's a difference between 10 feet on this side and 10 feet on the other side, a totally different set of laws, often customs, language.

00:10:13.260 One's this country, the other's that country.

00:10:16.300 You can't have a global country.

00:10:18.700 It doesn't work, and it's inherently tyrannical.

00:10:20.620 And Trump made that point again and again by saying, famously, build that wall.

00:10:26.440 Here he is.

00:10:27.740 We're going to have strong, incredible borders, and people are going to come into our country, but they're going to come into our country legally. 1.00

00:10:37.140 They're going to come in legally.

00:10:40.920 We're going to build a wall.

00:10:43.300 It's going to be built.

00:10:46.860 We're going to build a wall.

00:10:48.560 That was almost 10 years ago.

00:10:49.420 The wall has not been built.

00:10:50.880 Despite what you may hear, there is not a wall spanning the U.S.-Mexico border.

00:10:55.880 There are portions of wall.

00:10:57.100 But for a bunch of different reasons, it has not been built.

00:11:00.040 And that is a measure of several things, but one of them is the resistance to that idea in Washington.

00:11:06.260 Turns out, and we learned this during that campaign, the Republican Party didn't want to build a wall, actually.

00:11:11.160 That's why they'd never tried.

00:11:12.380 And they didn't want to build a wall because they didn't want distinct borders, and they didn't want distinct borders because they weren't nationalists.

00:11:18.100 They were globalists.

00:11:19.540 So by saying that, Trump didn't actually end up building the wall, but he did end up revealing the nature of the people running the country, which is completely deceptive and rotten.

00:11:30.920 They were deceptive and rotten, and they were busted being that way.

00:11:35.040 And to this day, they've resisted actual border control. 0.78

00:11:38.860 And to this day, they're digging in their heels on deportation.

00:11:41.340 And to this day, they're denying that the Native population, the American-born population, is being replaced.

00:11:47.360 But it is.

00:11:48.780 And that's not a conspiracy theory.

00:11:50.560 It's hardly hate to note what the numbers are.

00:11:53.140 But the numbers show very clearly that people who were born in this country and whose parents and grandparents were born in this country are soon going to be a minority.

00:12:03.760 They're being replaced by people from other countries. 0.94

00:12:07.120 It's just a fact.

00:12:08.160 It's not a great replacement theory.

00:12:10.060 It's a great replacement reality measurable through census numbers.

00:12:13.540 And the resistance of both parties to acknowledging that simple mathematical fact tells you everything about their intent, which is highly sinister.

00:12:22.100 They want it.

00:12:23.380 And a lot of those people are Republicans.

00:12:25.540 They've disliked Trump from day one for pushing for this.

00:12:28.440 They dislike him now.

00:12:29.860 But we know that because he said it.

00:12:32.280 He articulated the truth out loud.

00:12:35.020 And that illuminated the positions of everyone else in the room.

00:12:38.900 And for that, the rest of us should be forever grateful.

00:12:42.180 But that's pillar two.

00:12:43.080 You have to have real borders.

00:12:45.560 And the people who live in the country have a moral and legal right to choose who else joins them in the same way that a homeowner has a right to decide who sleeps in his house because it's his house.

00:12:55.880 This is a foundational right.

00:12:58.420 If it's our country, we determine who lives next door to us.

00:13:01.560 And if it's not, we don't.

00:13:03.620 It's literally that simple.

00:13:05.780 So America first. 0.92

00:13:07.940 The country must have secure borders.

00:13:10.040 Those are the first two.

00:13:10.780 The third pillar of MAGA, and this is something that President Trump, now President Trump, then candidate Trump, articulated from the very first days of his campaign, is that the war on terror and all pointless wars, wars that do not serve America's direct national interest.

00:13:28.520 In other words, wars that are not wars of self-defense, wars that are not repelling an invasion, are pointless.

00:13:34.300 And worse than pointless, they are bad for the United States.

00:13:38.020 They are corrosive of our social order.

00:13:39.880 They completely overturn our society on some hard-to-measure but yet obvious overtime level.

00:13:45.800 They're incredibly expensive.

00:13:47.280 And by the way, they kill Americans and a lot of other people. 0.90

00:13:49.340 They're bad.

00:13:50.520 And they're almost never waged in an effort to serve our interests, but instead to serve the interests of other countries.

00:13:55.180 He said that for the very first time in the February, I think, of 2016 GOP primary debate in Greenville, South Carolina, when he said right to the face of former President Bush's brother, Jeb, the Iraq War was a disaster.

00:14:13.840 And at the time, that was considered so shocking that people couldn't even believe he said it.

00:14:17.300 In fact, at Fox, where I then work, one of our most brilliant analysts said, you know, he made a huge mistake because South Carolina, checking the briefing book, South Carolina is the highest proportion of military veterans of any of the states.

00:14:29.180 And of course, naturally, they love the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

00:14:34.180 People still talk like this in 2016.

00:14:36.620 Thanks to Trump, they no longer do. 1.00

00:14:38.060 They've been exposed as dummies and liars. 0.99

00:14:39.980 No matter what the briefing book says, the opposite turned out to be true. 0.93

00:14:43.840 Which is that people who had wasted years of their lives and lost friends and developed all kinds of psychological and physical damage from these wars, and were at the very least apart from their families for years at a time, these were the people most likely to be opposed to more pointless wars.

00:14:58.980 But Trump kept up this theme, and in some ways, it was the most controversial thing he ever said, then or now.

00:15:06.020 No more wars.

00:15:08.020 Here's Donald Trump making the exact same point much more recently. 1.00

00:15:11.640 We are never going back to a party that wants to give unlimited money to fight foreign wars that are endless wars, that are stupid wars. 0.97

00:15:23.300 I was the only president in modern history who did not have any new wars, no new wars. 0.99

00:15:29.500 I finished some old ones.

00:15:32.000 I finished some old ones.

00:15:33.660 We'll be stopping the slide into costly and never-ending wars.

00:15:39.140 We've got to stop it.

00:15:39.840 We can't keep spending hundreds of billions of dollars protecting people that don't even like us. 0.99

00:15:46.520 We can't keep spending tens of billions of dollars to protect people who don't even like us. 0.69

00:15:53.600 I will stop this.

00:15:54.840 That was one of the most popular things Trump said in 2016, up until that was March of 2023 at CPAC, up until recently.

00:16:04.020 Every time Trump says that, including in a UN speech not that long ago, he gets wild applause from his own voters.

00:16:10.420 If there is one theme, if you were to survey 100 people who voted for Donald Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024, why did you vote for him?

00:16:19.880 You would find an overwhelming majority voted for him in part because they don't want more pointless wars because since 2001 we've had an endless succession of them and we haven't won a single one.

00:16:31.040 Not a single one.

00:16:31.900 And every single one of them has weakened the United States in measurable ways and hurt Americans deeply in measurable ways.

00:16:39.680 One of the reasons we have an opioid crisis is because of those wars.

00:16:43.120 And not a single one of those wars was waged on behalf of the United States or its interests. 0.95

00:16:48.120 Every single one of them was waged on behalf of our so-called allies or some stupid idea about turning the Middle East into Western Europe or something, 0.69

00:16:55.500 even as Western Europe itself descended to a level that's below the Middle East, which it is right now. 0.87

00:17:02.800 People feel deep and justified resentment about that.

00:17:06.140 Donald Trump harnessed that and articulated it, and he was the only one to do it.

00:17:09.380 That clip you just saw from CPAC in 2023, when he said that, the most popular Republican candidate at the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post and Fox News

00:17:18.500 and among all the donors in the Republican Party was not Donald Trump at all.

00:17:24.300 In fact, he was fighting to stay out of jail when he said that.

00:17:27.120 He was considered a has-been.

00:17:28.460 It was going to be Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, who was a pretty effective governor of Florida and a much admired governor of Florida.

00:17:36.960 But during that campaign, we also found out that he was just a tool of his donors and a screaming low IQ neocon.

00:17:41.760 It was Ron DeSantis or it was Nikki Haley, who was busy telling us that we need Israel more than Israel needs us and other things that were so nonsensical and insane that no one dared ask her to explain them.

00:17:53.160 Those were the candidates who were going to undo the damage that Trump had done to our sacred alliances with NATO and other countries we have literally nothing to do with and almost no common interest with,

00:18:08.480 but to whom we send billions and billions and tens, hundreds over the years of billions of dollars to do what?

00:18:17.060 To bring gay rights to Withalania or something? 0.99

00:18:20.140 It's not even clear.

00:18:21.280 But a lot of people in Washington are getting rich from these multinational organizations, these peacekeeping organizations,

00:18:28.620 and a lot of highly ideological foreign policy establishment figures who do not have America's interests first in mind and never have

00:18:40.700 use those wars for their own ends, which again are not related to America's interests on any level.

00:18:47.300 In fact, run directly contrary to America's interests, hurt America.

00:18:51.420 And so at the moment when Trump was about to go to jail, it looked like, and fighting against what seemed like a wave of donor investment in Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis,

00:19:07.520 he comes out and says, no, I'm the opposite.

00:19:10.440 No more wars.

00:19:11.380 And guess what happened?

00:19:12.640 He won the nomination and he won the presidency again.

00:19:15.820 So anyone who would say, well, that wasn't an important part of his platform, that's not actually a pillar, right?

00:19:22.400 This just happened.

00:19:23.560 We remember it and it's on tape.

00:19:25.340 No more wars.

00:19:26.700 Pillar three.

00:19:27.920 Pillar four.

00:19:29.260 How about some real jobs?

00:19:31.680 Donald Trump from day one, 2015, the famous escalator ride.

00:19:37.440 In fact, going back 40 years in his CNN appearances, for example, Larry King or his work on ABC would almost always make the same point in various ways.

00:19:48.920 But it was the same point, which was globalization shortchanges America.

00:19:56.220 It helps bankers.

00:19:57.560 It helps the finance class quite a bit.

00:19:59.440 Once you financialize things in a globalized economy, money moves much more easily.

00:20:04.620 There's much less friction.

00:20:05.520 And a small number of people get very, very rich.

00:20:08.880 But the country itself becomes a husk.

00:20:11.220 It becomes hollowed out.

00:20:12.080 There's nothing for people to do.

00:20:13.500 And a country that doesn't make anything is not a real country.

00:20:16.920 Everyone sort of knows this intuitively.

00:20:19.060 But libertarian economists basically doing the bidding of the finance class have for the past 40 years told us, no, no, it's totally fine.

00:20:25.600 Because it hikes GDP.

00:20:28.920 Oh, GDP.

00:20:30.500 As if GDP is the only or even the best measure of the health of an economy or the health of a nation or the health of its people. 0.88

00:20:37.980 And, of course, that's ridiculous.

00:20:39.580 GDP is the measure of all economic activity.

00:20:42.100 What does that mean?

00:20:43.220 What does that mean?

00:20:45.480 Well, not much, actually.

00:20:48.140 A country that doesn't make anything, 1.00

00:20:50.220 A country that has, say, six thriving cities and the rest of the continent falling into poverty is not a thriving country.

00:21:01.180 It's a dying country.

00:21:03.260 And Donald Trump has made that point consistently for 40 years.

00:21:07.400 Bring back real jobs.

00:21:09.680 Finance is not enough.

00:21:12.180 Here's one among a thousand examples of him saying that.

00:21:15.760 Our politicians have aggressively pursued a policy of globalization, moving our jobs, our wealth, and our factories to Mexico and overseas.

00:21:28.180 Globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy.

00:21:35.800 But it's left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache.

00:21:42.400 Every word of that is true.

00:21:44.460 And if you don't believe it, drive from Los Angeles to New York City if you dare.

00:21:50.220 Stop along the way.

00:21:51.420 Stay in local hotels, motels, and ask yourself, what is this?

00:21:56.200 Is this the country I remember?

00:21:57.320 No.

00:21:57.880 This is a poor country in many places, especially outside the cities.

00:22:02.680 And some of our cities are becoming really poor, including Los Angeles, our second biggest city.

00:22:07.020 So there's a crisis, and it is primarily an economic crisis.

00:22:11.880 And its downstream effects are countless, and they include all kinds of social crises.

00:22:16.100 But at the heart of this is an economy that has been completely hollowed out by finance.

00:22:21.480 And it's not actually the Chinese who did this.

00:22:26.440 It's Americans who did this, actually. 0.94

00:22:30.500 The Chinese never invaded this country and stole our manufacturing jobs.

00:22:35.500 They didn't occupy our factories.

00:22:37.440 They didn't force, you know, 10 more to make its washing machines in Wuhan.

00:22:42.940 Wuhan, no.

00:22:45.980 American companies were sold piecemeal to the Chinese for the profit of the people who owned those companies or who were financing, who owned the debt on those companies, et cetera, et cetera.

00:22:58.220 That's just true.

00:23:00.360 And Trump has said that again and again and again, and he got elected president on it.

00:23:05.260 So that is the fourth pillar of MAGA, bring back a real economy.

00:23:10.980 Globalization is not working for the United States at all.

00:23:17.260 Most Americans agree with that.

00:23:19.140 That's why Trump got the majority of the popular vote.

00:23:22.440 And the fifth pillar of MAGA is very simple, free speech.

00:23:26.780 It's our birthright.

00:23:28.420 It's the first right enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

00:23:31.400 It was given to us by God.

00:23:32.700 The purpose of having the U.S. government is to protect that right among several others.

00:23:37.520 But that is the most basic human right.

00:23:39.880 That is the difference between slavery and freedom.

00:23:42.680 Can you say what you actually think?

00:23:45.080 Now, censorship is an ongoing threat in every society at every time in history.

00:23:49.640 The powerful do not want the people over whom they rule to complain about the way they're ruling or complain about their behavior or, in our case, complain about their looting.

00:23:57.380 And so they devise all kinds of schemes, sometimes dressed up as religious precepts.

00:24:02.680 That's a blasphemy.

00:24:03.520 You can't say that.

00:24:05.380 In our secular age, those same attempts have been dressed up as sensitivity. 0.97

00:24:10.100 Oh, you're being mean to black people. 0.72

00:24:12.700 You can't say that about the LGBT community. 0.99

00:24:15.220 Oh, that's anti-Semitic.

00:24:16.160 Whatever it is.

00:24:17.140 Those demands for censorship have been couched as a way to protect marginalized groups.

00:24:25.000 But they remain what they've always been, an attempt to keep less powerful people from criticizing the most powerful people.

00:24:33.020 That's exactly what they are.

00:24:34.200 They're attempts at censorship.

00:24:36.060 Always.

00:24:36.620 And Donald Trump, in his relentless attacks on, quote, woke culture, has been the most effective articulator of this in American politics in a generation, a century, maybe ever.

00:24:52.340 Donald Trump has stood up against censorship, whether he knew he was doing it or not, from the very first day.

00:24:59.620 By saying things you weren't allowed to say and then not apologizing for them, broadening the boundaries of acceptable discourse in public, taking the flack for, you know, broadening the famous Overton window again and again and again.

00:25:13.260 Here's just one example from the last campaign of Trump explaining why wokeness is really just an attempt to make you shut up.

00:25:22.480 Americans are exhausted, trying to keep up with the latest list of approved words and phrases and the ever more restrictive political decrees.

00:25:37.360 Many things have a different name now, and the rules are constantly changing.

00:25:42.900 The goal of cancel culture is to make decent Americans live in fear of being fired, expelled, shamed, humiliated, and driven from society as we know it.

00:25:55.880 The far left wants to coerce you into saying what you know to be false and scare you out of saying what you know to be true.

00:26:06.240 Exactly. Very nicely put, of course, from his acceptance speech last summer in Milwaukee when he got the Republican nomination for president.

00:26:16.620 Cancel culture is a synonym for censorship, the effect to coerce people into repeating slogans they know are not true and not stating the obvious, the true things out loud.

00:26:30.280 That is censorship. And Donald Trump took a public stand against it again and again and again and again and led by example on this question again and again and again.

00:26:39.140 That is the fifth pillar of MAGA. So to restate, there are five components of the MAGA movement, ideological components, pillars, and they are America first, the belief, the guiding principle above all others that every decision the U.S. government makes ought to be to the benefit of the United States.

00:26:57.540 Two, a country has to have borders. The people who live in a country decide who lives here. No one else decides.

00:27:04.060 The people of the country should be in charge of who their neighbors are because they own the country.

00:27:08.780 Number three, no more pointless wars. We've done it. It hasn't worked. This country has not actually won a war decisively since 1945, and we did it with the help of Joseph Stalin. 0.86

00:27:19.280 So let's get real. This hasn't worked, and we haven't done it for ourselves. We've done it for others through lobbying campaigns, pressure campaigns, and ideological nonsense that in retrospect looks completely absurd, and those of us who fell for it are deeply ashamed that we did because it was dumb then and even dumber now.

00:27:36.600 Three, globalization has not worked for the United States. 0.86

00:27:39.900 You can't have an economy based on real estate and finance. Sorry, maybe if you're Hong Kong or Singapore, but a continent-sized country needs to make things.

00:27:50.340 Finance and real estate are not productive industries. One just keeps reselling a piece of ground. Maybe you improve it a little bit, but ultimately, what have you created?

00:27:59.360 And the other basically just loans money and interest. Now, they probably have a place in a broader economy, but if your whole economy is just finance and real estate, your country's going to die, and ours is, to the benefit of a small number of people, but not to the benefit of the 350 million who live here.

00:28:18.600 And five, pillar number five, free speech is the basis of America. That's the fundamental human right that this country exists to protect, and so any attempt to abridge it must be fought tooth and nail, period.

00:28:34.960 So you would think that every Republican would agree with all of these. In fact, you'd think every Democrat would. These are not controversial ideas.

00:28:41.820 These are not, let's round our enemies up or something. These are not crazy. These are foundational American ideals.

00:28:50.680 Trump has, from day one, been a moderate, actually. What's immoderate about those goals? Nothing, except that they challenged the way that things were done.

00:29:02.560 And so, if you look at it with clear eyes, backward, for the last 10 years, Donald Trump's real battle has not been against Democrats.

00:29:11.420 It's been against Republicans. Donald Trump was not a Republican before he ran for president.

00:29:15.020 He was a Democrat or an Independent or a frequent talk show guest or a beauty pageant host or whatever, but he was not a Republican.

00:29:22.120 And so his real battle was then and is now against the Republican Party and the existing players in that party hated all five pillars, all five, because they were a direct challenge to their stewardship of the party and the country over decades.

00:29:40.980 And by this point, the Republican Party had been so captured by special interests, by donors, that they were committed to the opposite on all five, on all five.

00:29:53.400 They were not acting. They didn't put the country's interests above all others in their decision making. That's ridiculous.

00:30:00.620 They did absolutely nothing, nothing to secure the border. And they still aren't. 0.82

00:30:05.720 Ted Cruz, who's a big MAGA guy. Ted Cruz, of course, ran against Trump in 2016, but Ted Cruz was a sitting senator from Texas for the entire Biden administration, where they sent over 12 million people into his state illegally over the border.

00:30:23.880 Now, if Ted Cruz had held like a press conference every week and said to the governor of his state, Greg Abbott, I'm the senator from Texas, our state's being invaded.

00:30:32.960 It's an entry point for the country. This is destroying Texas and America.

00:30:37.220 Mobilize the National Guard today and seal that border. And if that precipitates a conflict with the federal government, so be it.

00:30:43.520 This is illegal. It's immoral. And it's going to wreck this country. National Guard exists for a reason. Use it now.

00:30:48.760 If he'd done that, that would have happened. But he didn't. Because he was busy serving his masters in another country, which is not our country.

00:30:56.780 And that is true not just of Ted Cruz, who's the most kind of pathetic, craven example, but of so many Republican politicians. 0.96

00:31:03.760 They didn't want closed borders because their donors didn't want closed borders. 1.00

00:31:07.420 Of course, they were all in on the war on terror. And they refused even to look backwards and assess whether or not what they had advocated for had succeeded.

00:31:15.060 They were all in on the Iraq war, like I was. But the difference is they refused to admit that they were wrong.

00:31:22.240 And millions of people died as a result of that, of their being wrong.

00:31:26.300 And our treasury was emptied and the U.S. dollar devalued completely to the point where gold is over 4,000 today.

00:31:32.540 Why is that? Maybe because we spent like six trillion dollars on the war on terror, got nothing out of it.

00:31:37.820 We sent pallets of cash to warlords in various countries. What do we get out of that? Nothing.

00:31:42.160 We armed the Taliban. What do we get out of that? Nothing. The whole thing was insane. 0.99

00:31:46.060 If you can't say that was bad, if you can't say I'm sorry for supporting that, you're a deeply corrupt person. 0.93

00:31:51.420 And Trump called them out and they hated him for it.

00:31:53.920 As to globalization, they benefited from it. Of course, they're tools of the finance class.

00:31:58.180 Of course, every one of them. They had no real interest in ending that.

00:32:01.660 And on free speech, perhaps most shamefully of all, the Republican Party's core institutions, its publications, National Review, the New York Post, Fox News, whatever, its think tanks, too many even to mention, all of them acted not as guardians of free speech, pushing the limits of acceptable discourse, encouraging people to open their minds and think creatively about what's best for the country.

00:32:26.640 No! They acted as scolds, as crossing guards, forcing their fellow conservatives to shut up and get back in lane.

00:32:35.700 That's the whole career of William F. Buckley, was telling fellow conservatives, that's not acceptable.

00:32:41.760 They weren't for free speech. They were just the opposite. They were censors.

00:32:48.840 And Trump exposed all of that. And they hated him for it. All of them.

00:32:54.220 There are very few Republican office holders in 2016 or 2020 or 2024 or even right now in October of 2025 who sincerely like Trump.

00:33:04.080 But they hate Trump. Because he represents everything they're opposed to.

00:33:09.160 They hate Trump, including people who work for Trump, hate Trump.

00:33:12.100 And some of them said it out loud.

00:33:14.080 Here's one of Trump's new best friends back in 2016 explaining how much he hates Donald Trump.

00:33:19.480 At some point, you got to stand up to it. I do not like bullies and I never have.

00:33:22.880 So I will not be voting for Donald Trump and he can thank Roger Stone.

00:33:29.460 And if they piss me off one more time, I'm going to urge millions and millions of you, should he get the nomination, not to vote for him either.

00:33:38.360 I'm very serious about this.

00:33:40.900 Mark Levin is very serious about this.

00:33:43.540 So why was Mark Levin mad? Why was he so mad?

00:33:47.780 Why was Bill Kristol so mad? They're both kind of for Trump, actually.

00:33:50.640 I remember very well. I knew them.

00:33:52.800 And a lot of other people in Washington, very much like them.

00:33:56.560 Why were they so mad at Trump?

00:33:58.000 Well, that was early April of 2016.

00:34:01.680 That was a few weeks after Trump announced at that earlier referenced primary debate in South Carolina that the Iraq war was a mistake.

00:34:08.660 Whoa, that was too far.

00:34:10.840 Because any politician who will acknowledge that the Iraq war was a mistake probably won't get on board with the future Iraq war. 0.72

00:34:17.580 And that's all they cared about was more Iraq wars waged on behalf of another country, its interest, not ours.

00:34:28.020 Irrelevant, the damage to the United States, irrelevant, the cost, irrelevant, the death toll.

00:34:32.060 They wanted politicians who would do that again.

00:34:36.440 And anyone who called it a mistake probably wouldn't.

00:34:40.120 And so it's just worth remembering that some of Donald Trump's staunchest allies,

00:34:45.880 the ones always telling you, lecturing you about MAGA and telling you who's in, who's out.

00:34:49.940 You're not MAGA. You're not MAGA.

00:34:51.380 Those very same people disagree with every single one of Donald Trump's five stated rationales for running.

00:35:03.220 And much more important than that, all five reasons that tens of millions of Americans voted for him.

00:35:10.120 They don't just disagree with Trump.

00:35:11.480 They disagree with the bulk of the country who want these things badly.

00:35:16.340 And those people are now telling you, oh, you're not MAGA. 0.96

00:35:22.040 This is the pigs and the men becoming indistinguishable in the final scene of Animal Farm. 0.68

00:35:27.580 And again, it's organic. This happens to all institutions.

00:35:30.020 It will happen unless someone stops it, unless there is a clear and persistent and repeated articulation of what we're doing here.

00:35:37.840 What is this about? Is it about one guy?

00:35:39.660 No, it's not. Sorry.

00:35:40.560 It's not about one guy, a guy to whom most of us will always be grateful for articulating vitally important principles out loud,

00:35:48.800 being the first one in my lifetime to do so.

00:35:50.780 God bless you for doing that.

00:35:52.540 But it's bigger than any person.

00:35:54.260 It's about the survival of the country.

00:35:56.480 And it's about these five facts, these principles, these pillars.

00:36:01.480 That's what MAGA is.

00:36:02.860 And so you can measure anybody who claims to lead the movement against those five things.

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00:39:41.360 So we thought it'd be worth checking in with one of Donald Trump's earliest supporters,

00:39:45.980 someone who supported Donald Trump, not because she thought he was super charismatic

00:39:49.400 or so great or hilarious.

00:39:51.120 But in addition to those qualities, she agreed with all five things.

00:39:57.040 Marjorie Taylor Greene was a business owner in Georgia in 2016 who was at the first Trump 0.99

00:40:03.580 rallies that year, continued going to Trump rallies.

00:40:07.160 And by the end of Trump's first term was so inspired by Donald Trump and what he was

00:40:11.640 saying that she ran for Congress.

00:40:13.360 And she, unlike most of her colleagues in that body, actually meant it.

00:40:17.760 And because they could smell that she meant it, because sincerity is by far the most dangerous

00:40:21.820 quality in Washington, someone who really means it as an actual threat.

00:40:25.840 Thomas Massey isn't a threat because he won't accept AIPAC money.

00:40:29.860 Thomas Massey is a threat because he won't accept AIPAC money on principle.

00:40:33.940 Not because he hates Jews or hates Israel.

00:40:35.880 He doesn't.

00:40:37.440 But because he doesn't think American politicians should be bought by foreign countries.

00:40:41.000 That's against his principles.

00:40:42.240 And because he really means it, he can't be bought. 0.64

00:40:45.360 So, of course, he must be destroyed.

00:40:47.240 And now Marjorie Taylor Greene, who of all 535 members of the 435 members, House of Representatives,

00:40:55.500 embodies most purely those principles.

00:40:59.540 And she has cleaved to those principles.

00:41:01.240 She has stuck to them through the years.

00:41:02.820 And for that is now being written out of the movement by MAGA stalwarts like Ted Cruz and

00:41:10.800 Lindsey Graham and Mark Levin, none of whom agree with a single word Trump says, and all

00:41:15.220 of whom hate him.

00:41:16.780 So we thought it'd be interesting to talk to her and ask, will it succeed?

00:41:20.380 Will you be kicked out of the movement that you are a core part of?

00:41:24.600 I don't know.

00:41:25.600 Let's ask her.

00:41:26.740 Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia joins us now.

00:41:29.100 Hi, Tucker.

00:41:31.460 Congressman, thanks so much for doing this.

00:41:33.160 So I keep reading that you are not representative of MAGA.

00:41:38.720 And that's why I want to have this conversation, because I just want to get on tape before Wikipedia

00:41:44.120 erases the past completely and we have no reference points, that you are not a latecomer to the

00:41:50.660 Trump phenomenon, correct?

00:41:53.060 Oh, no.

00:41:53.700 I've been on the Trump train since 2015, back when I was just a regular person, didn't even

00:42:02.320 have an idea about running for Congress.

00:42:05.620 As a matter of fact, you laid out those five pillars and I was listening to these clips of

00:42:10.540 Donald Trump and I'm like, oh my gosh, I love that man.

00:42:13.480 And those are all the reasons I supported him from the very beginning when he stood on that

00:42:19.640 stage among 17 Republican presidential candidates and the rest of them I thought were slimy politicians.

00:42:26.360 But Donald Trump spoke the language that I understood and he was the one that made sense

00:42:32.060 to me.

00:42:33.640 You know that Trump is really hated by your colleagues and by almost every single person

00:42:38.840 in Washington.

00:42:39.380 Not every single.

00:42:40.220 There are people at the White House who sincerely love Trump.

00:42:43.480 I know that to be true.

00:42:44.740 But the overwhelming majority of Republicans in Washington secretly hate Trump and they're

00:42:49.060 too afraid of him to say so.

00:42:50.300 But they hate him.

00:42:51.000 Lindsey Graham, obviously, Ted Cruz really hates him.

00:42:53.380 Mark Levin openly hates him.

00:42:55.640 But they hate him because they don't agree.

00:42:57.520 And you know that because in the last 10 years, there has been, other than you and Massey

00:43:03.200 and a few others, there have been almost no elected officials in Washington to articulate

00:43:08.180 what exactly MAGA is about.

00:43:10.440 Have you noticed that?

00:43:11.100 That's absolutely correct.

00:43:14.080 One thousand percent.

00:43:15.980 MAGA, let's take that acronym.

00:43:18.960 There's only one country in MAGA and it's America.

00:43:22.620 And I can tell you right now, I want to expand on how much Republicans hate Donald Trump.

00:43:27.800 I became a member of Congress in January of 2021.

00:43:31.400 I had only been sworn in for three full days when January 6th happened.

00:43:37.400 And I can tell you firsthand, every single Republican there in Congress literally, literally

00:43:44.720 turned their back on Donald Trump after January 6th.

00:43:47.660 And he didn't even do it.

00:43:49.180 He had nothing to do with what happened that day.

00:43:52.180 He didn't cause it.

00:43:53.380 It was, you know, it was a fed surrection.

00:43:55.360 And Antifa was involved.

00:43:56.360 And then many of these poor people got swept up and went into the Capitol.

00:44:01.200 And it was myself, Matt Gaetz and a few others.

00:44:04.180 We were the only ones that stayed, you know, said that he's our president.

00:44:10.220 He is, he's the leader of the Republican Party.

00:44:13.140 The American people will not abandon him.

00:44:15.620 I did not abandon him.

00:44:16.960 As a matter of fact, I fought my own Republican colleagues for years, literally years, until

00:44:23.080 he finally won the primary in 2024.

00:44:25.800 That was when they begrudgingly, literally begrudgingly started saying, okay, I support

00:44:32.780 Donald Trump.

00:44:33.720 He's our nominee.

00:44:34.860 And they still hated him.

00:44:36.300 They absolutely hated him.

00:44:37.760 I can remember, I can remember Mike Lawler coming up and saying, you know, he hated, he

00:44:44.680 hated Donald Trump openly, used to make fun of him all the time.

00:44:48.340 And then all of a sudden, after Donald Trump won in 2024, he finally decided it was time

00:44:53.920 to put on a MAGA hat.

00:44:55.020 It just made me sick. 0.98

00:44:56.920 But these people are so fake. 0.98

00:44:58.860 The only reason that they kiss up to Donald Trump, our president, the only reason they 0.88

00:45:03.960 kiss up to him is because they're terrified of a true social post, because they're terrified

00:45:09.060 of their own constituents that fully support a MAGA, that fully support America First and

00:45:14.680 fully support everything that Donald Trump has laid out now for years and years.

00:45:19.660 And, you know, Americans got to the point where electing Donald Trump was a referendum on the

00:45:25.940 Republican Party.

00:45:26.980 And I very much feel that because many times I hate my own party and I blame Republicans

00:45:32.560 for many of the problems that we have today.

00:45:35.360 And I blame them for being so America last to the point where they are literally slaves

00:45:40.920 to all the big industries in Washington, the military industrial complex, big pharma, health

00:45:46.700 insurance industries, you name it.

00:45:48.420 They are literally slaves to them and they love the foreign war so much.

00:45:52.420 But Donald Trump was a referendum to the Republican Party on behalf of the American people, the

00:45:58.880 forgotten man and woman of America that were just so sick of Washington, D.C.

00:46:05.820 Party. And that's how that was me.

00:46:08.640 Absolutely. That has been me the entire time.

00:46:11.080 That's me today, literally serving as a member of Congress.

00:46:14.680 And that's why people see me push back on my own party.

00:46:18.440 Well, they've been pushing back on you since the second you get there.

00:46:22.180 You got there. I mean, you didn't they wouldn't give you committee assignments because they could smell in you

00:46:27.900 incorruptibility, sincerity.

00:46:29.560 And and they they hated you for that.

00:46:31.860 They literally slandered you before you even arrived your own party.

00:46:35.700 I hate to bring up a sore subject, but it was just the most interesting thing I think I've ever watched

00:46:39.360 in Washington. And they turned out to be absolutely right.

00:46:42.840 You were incorruptible, which is why you're here.

00:46:45.320 So what does it feel like to be the person who stood consistently with the series of principles,

00:46:52.520 these five principles from 2016 to present, one of the only ones to see people who hated Donald Trump,

00:47:00.560 still hate Donald Trump, try to read you out of the movement and take it over?

00:47:06.120 Oh, it's you know, I can tell you, I feel great.

00:47:09.080 I sleep perfect every single night.

00:47:11.500 My my voting record is a direct reflection of me standing with those policies and never wavering or changing anything.

00:47:20.360 When I go back home to my district, Tucker, which I've been here a lot because Mike Johnson won't bring us back to work.

00:47:27.680 But when I'm back in my district, I go to the grocery store, I get hugs, I get hellos, I go to restaurants, I get thank yous.

00:47:35.220 And I go around as a normal person in my district.

00:47:37.700 And I really love it because I these people know me and they know the hard work that I put in for them.

00:47:43.840 And they know I haven't changed one single bit when I'm in Washington, D.C.

00:47:47.940 It's a completely different matter.

00:47:50.840 They the Republicans that I work with, they they know they literally know that they are having to to serve this agenda as long as the president is is there in office.

00:48:03.820 And they look at him like a speed bump.

00:48:06.820 Many of them can't wait to get him out of the way.

00:48:09.860 And so they can just go back to doing business as usual.

00:48:12.820 And I find that repulsive, absolutely repulsive.

00:48:16.040 And here I'll give you an example.

00:48:17.900 So right now, Tucker, you know, a lot of people are happy about the government shutdown.

00:48:23.860 And but I really have no respect for the House not being in session.

00:48:28.660 And I have no respect for Speaker Johnson not calling us back to Washington because we should be passing bills.

00:48:35.500 We should be passing bills that reflect the president's executive orders, which are exactly what we voted for.

00:48:42.220 We should be at work on our committees.

00:48:44.520 We should be doing investigations.

00:48:46.900 And you want to know something?

00:48:48.360 We should be passing the discharge petition that Thomas Massey put in to release the Epstein files.

00:48:54.540 Those are the things that we should be doing.

00:48:56.300 And we most of all, Tucker, we should be passing our appropriation bills to actually fund the government and fund important projects that taxpayer dollars.

00:49:06.340 These people pay their taxes.

00:49:07.780 This is how taxpayer dollars come back to your districts.

00:49:10.860 We should be doing that.

00:49:11.860 But no, we're not.

00:49:13.260 And these are the things that this is why I have no respect so many times for our party, because they get on board and they campaign and they say America first.

00:49:23.440 And they try to utter and mimic these Donald Trump talking points.

00:49:28.240 But when it actually comes to getting to work and delivering those talking points into action for the American people, the people that voted for them, the people that knocked doors for them, that the sweet little ladies that gave three dollars, crumpled up dollars out of their pocketbook. 0.97

00:49:45.800 I mean, all these people that worked so hard to give us the majority, when it comes time to doing that, what are we doing?

00:49:52.140 We're sitting at home.

00:49:53.660 And that's that's something that grinds me.

00:49:56.500 Absolutely grinds me.

00:49:57.680 I have no respect for it.

00:49:59.260 But when it comes to the Republican Party, you're exactly right.

00:50:02.460 And everything you said, the Mark Levins, the Ted Cruz's, the Lindsey Graham's, they're just playing the game, literally playing the game and trying to tell the American people, oh, oh, no, we carry the MAGA mantle.

00:50:16.760 We support the president.

00:50:18.540 It's people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and others that don't.

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00:50:23.780 Their careers.

00:50:24.480 They just want to stay in power.

00:50:27.260 Mark Levin wants to keep talking so he can promote Israel as much as possible over America.

00:50:33.580 And they really don't care about actually delivering the agenda that the American people desperately want.

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00:54:39.240 The radicalizing moment for me, I think, was in June with the utterly pointless bombing of Iran. 0.96

00:54:45.860 And I remember thinking, how many Americans have been killed by Haitians in the last 20 years versus how many have been killed by Iranians?

00:54:54.740 I don't think in this country, I don't think we've had any Americans killed by Iranians.

00:54:59.060 We've had a lot of Americans killed by Haitians, a lot. 0.99

00:55:02.320 And yet Haitians get special protected status, but we're bombing Iran. 0.98

00:55:07.680 And I just felt like that would be the kind of America first way to think about it.

00:55:11.940 You know, let's create a hierarchy of threats, and let's just start with the death toll.

00:55:17.660 And no Americans have been killed on American soil by Iran, you know, in my memory. 0.99

00:55:24.740 So I'm not saying Iran is great. 1.00

00:55:26.440 I'm not endorsing Iran, but I'm saying from an American perspective, that's not even in the top 25 list of threats to us.

00:55:33.660 So all these Republicans, I kind of expected to say, Mike Johnson is a completely corrupt person, but not Mike Johnson, but like people with souls in the legislative bodies.

00:55:44.060 I expected someone to stand up and say that, and they all went along with it.

00:55:47.620 And they cheered it.

00:55:48.760 Like, what was that?

00:55:49.940 They didn't mean anything, they said.

00:55:54.080 Exactly.

00:55:54.740 What, honestly, what was that?

00:55:56.260 I laughed so hard because I was like, you know, Fox News and everyone tells me that Houthis are the most dangerous human beings on the planet. 0.96

00:56:05.700 And I literally can't find a single Houthi in my district.

00:56:08.840 I can't find a local house.

00:56:10.120 Well, can I just say, we are now, since we bombed the Houthis, consistent with American history over the past 70 years, we're going to import a lot of Houthis. 1.00

00:56:18.120 Just if we've imported a ton of Afghans and Iraqis and, you know, every country we bomb then gets to move here under some special protective says. 1.00

00:56:26.760 We're going to have full Houthi neighborhoods in North Georgia very soon. 1.00

00:56:30.780 So get psyched for that.

00:56:31.660 OK, well, that'll be the first time we see them.

00:56:36.320 And because I don't know what one looks like.

00:56:38.320 I literally have no idea what a Houthi looks like.

00:56:40.580 I've I've never been to Iran.

00:56:43.540 I don't know why I have to hate them so much.

00:56:45.640 But but, you know, they've told me over and over again for 30 plus years that they're going to have a nuclear weapon any moment now.

00:56:52.900 And they're going to bomb America and bomb Israel still hasn't happened. 0.91

00:56:57.940 I was you know, another thing when when we bombed Iran on behalf of Israel, by the way, it was pretty interesting to me that hell was not unleashed. 0.81

00:57:09.100 Like we were told it was going to be and I didn't see hell be unleashed on Israel.

00:57:14.460 As a matter of fact, the Iron Dome that America funds, it worked and people in Israel were safe and people in America were safe.

00:57:24.480 We didn't see a single bomb fall on our heads, on our homes, on our neighborhoods.

00:57:31.180 We didn't see anything happen here like that has happened to Gaza now for for months and months and months.

00:57:37.540 We didn't see children and toddlers being blown to pieces.

00:57:41.620 We didn't we didn't hear about these horror stories.

00:57:43.820 We didn't witness it and feel it.

00:57:45.700 But this is a lie that we are constantly told over and over and over again that we have to hate these people in the Middle East.

00:57:53.780 We have to hate these foreign countries. 1.00

00:57:55.460 We have to hate Russia because Hollywood tells us that Russia is the ultimate bad guy.

00:58:00.060 And then we have to be told that, you know, we're going to go to war with Russia.

00:58:03.820 Well, guess what?

00:58:05.060 We've been at war with Russia through Ukraine for years now and it's absurd.

00:58:09.220 And then the really most disturbing one is ever since I've been a member of Congress, they've been telling me that we're going to go to war with China, which I find absolutely absurd.

00:58:19.820 And I'm like, why are we going to war with China?

00:58:22.300 Is there any reason for us to go to war with China?

00:58:24.660 But there's a really sick obsession, Tucker, that I think everyone is sick and tired of is the fact that American people work so hard and pay extremely high taxes for their tax dollars that have to constantly be used to to sell weapons and deliver weapons and pay countries to kill people.

00:58:46.060 And I can't understand that.

00:58:48.420 And people are so sick and tired of it.

00:58:50.380 And the veterans in my district are sick and tired of it. 0.94

00:58:53.900 But for some reason, this is the continuation of what Washington, D.C. does, no matter who's in charge, Democrats or Republicans.

00:59:01.800 And that's why Donald Trump is absolutely 1,000 percent right in saying no more foreign wars, no more American tax dollars paying for this blood and murder industry.

00:59:16.800 And that is one of the single reasons I think led to his first election and has led to his.

00:59:23.440 But we're at a pivot point where the people who cheered on the wars in, I mean, name the countries, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria against the Houthis, whoever they are.

00:59:40.020 Those people are poised to seem to be to take over the Republican Party.

00:59:45.060 I mean, I thought the whole point of Trump's ascendance was to change the party to make it consistent with what Republican voters and not just Republican voters, lots of Democrats switched over to vote for Trump because they wanted those five pillars.

00:59:58.400 And all of a sudden, the people who've for generations wrecked this country seem on the verge of stealing the MAGA copyright, slapping it on their own polo shirts and running the Republican Party.

01:00:13.520 I mean, how is this happening?

01:00:15.060 I have no idea.

01:00:17.780 But it's what they always do.

01:00:19.200 It's what they did in his first term.

01:00:21.360 And now we're watching it unfold again.

01:00:23.320 And it is disgusting.

01:00:24.680 And people are pissed. 0.93

01:00:26.160 I'm talking about pissed.

01:00:28.260 Everyone I'm talking to at home is going, hold on now.

01:00:32.880 Why are we considered hateful and anti-Semitic if we don't want to pay for Israel's wars constantly? 0.89

01:00:39.500 That doesn't make us anti-Semitic and hateful.

01:00:42.080 We want our money to stay here at home.

01:00:45.060 Because you want to know something?

01:00:46.300 People are hurting here at home.

01:00:47.980 Oh, I know.

01:00:48.400 Food prices are high.

01:00:50.080 Rent is high.

01:00:51.560 Home prices are ridiculously high.

01:00:54.140 Cars are high.

01:00:55.260 Auto insurance, home insurance.

01:00:57.760 Health insurance is insane.

01:01:00.580 Energy prices are high.

01:01:02.120 I can tell you that in my own electric bills.

01:01:04.660 They're much more expensive than they were even a year ago.

01:01:08.240 The Democrats destroyed our economy, absolutely murdered us with high inflation.

01:01:14.580 And they're absolute failures for four years.

01:01:17.200 But here, now, it should be the focus.

01:01:20.740 The biggest focus from Republicans in Washington, D.C. and the Trump administration, the people

01:01:26.040 that get to have these jobs, Tucker, because people like me worked my ass off and spent millions

01:01:32.700 of dollars fighting to get Donald Trump elected.

01:01:35.620 Well, you know what I know?

01:01:36.380 Those people that get to have their hoity-toity jobs in the White House, they should be grateful

01:01:40.760 to people like me, and Mark Levin and all these other people.

01:01:45.120 They shouldn't be putting me down.

01:01:46.780 I helped put that man there because I never backed away from him, and I never backed down,

01:01:52.120 and I believe in what he wants to do for this country.

01:01:55.360 But what we have going on right now, I mean, seriously, look at it.

01:01:58.920 It's a revolving door at the White House, a revolving door of foreign leaders and prime

01:02:03.900 ministers and presidents, all with their hands out, demanding money and demanding attention

01:02:09.380 and demanding America do this.

01:02:11.620 I mean, let's take, for example, this $40 billion bailout for Argentina.

01:02:16.360 That's probably one of the grossest things I've ever seen, and I have no idea who is

01:02:21.360 telling our great president, our America first president, that this is a good idea, because

01:02:26.900 it's honestly, it's a punch in the gut to all of our American cattle ranchers, and they

01:02:31.500 are furious, and rightfully so.

01:02:34.340 And at the same time, I can't think of another country that's further away from the United

01:02:39.120 States of America than Argentina.

01:02:41.380 It's literally at the bottom of South America in the Southern Hemisphere, and we're all the

01:02:46.820 way up here at the top.

01:02:47.840 I don't know how that's America first.

01:02:50.320 But the problem, Tucker, is it's Washington, D.C. is unchangeable, absolutely unchangeable.

01:02:58.420 And they have hijacked our movement, and they're taking it away from the campaign promises of

01:03:05.520 America first and turning it into everything that we hate. 0.70

01:03:09.740 We hate globalism.

01:03:11.180 We hate bailing out foreign countries. 0.99

01:03:13.000 We hate foreign wars.

01:03:14.480 We hate industries overseas.

01:03:16.540 We want industries supported here at home.

01:03:18.940 And you got people talking about it.

01:03:21.400 People are not silent anymore.

01:03:23.200 But unless somebody stands up and articulates what this was all about, it's not just about

01:03:30.020 any one person, it's about a set of principles that will save the country, make America great

01:03:36.000 again, then you will see the nature of the movement change completely.

01:03:41.300 I mean, as I sit here right now, Laura Loomer is some kind of informal advisor to the Defense

01:03:46.640 Department wandering around the Pentagon, Laura Loomer.

01:03:48.520 And you, meanwhile, the most consistent defender of these principles in the whole Congress,

01:03:55.440 there's talk of funding a primary challenge to you to knock you out of your job.

01:04:00.740 How does that work?

01:04:02.440 How does Laura Loomer get to be a Pentagon advisor, but you get primary? 1.00

01:04:06.620 Like, what is that?

01:04:09.160 I don't know.

01:04:09.960 I've never understood why anyone takes her serious.

01:04:12.380 I mean, this is a woman that can't even legally buy a gun because she has such serious mental 1.00

01:04:17.080 problems. 0.94

01:04:17.560 She literally posted the other day that she blew blood vessels in her eye as she was hysterically 0.95

01:04:25.120 tweeting, you know, like 40 or 50 times in one day.

01:04:29.040 Who listens to a person like that?

01:04:31.240 Like, no one should.

01:04:32.580 And there's only one person cares about, and that's Israel. 0.89

01:04:35.640 It's nonstop Israel. 0.98

01:04:38.060 Non-stop.

01:04:39.460 And that seems to be the overarching theme.

01:04:42.980 And, you know, look, we always have to, you know, say our disclaimer.

01:04:47.580 This isn't about Jewish people.

01:04:49.340 This is about the government of Israel.

01:04:50.980 This is about their military.

01:04:52.540 And this is about them demanding, nonstop demanding, America, pay attention to Israel, 0.95

01:04:58.860 do what Israel wants, fight Israel's wars, and pay for them. 0.89

01:05:02.300 And if you don't, then we're going to come after anyone and everyone that gets in the way of

01:05:08.120 that.

01:05:08.760 And if you're wondering why people are talking about primarying me, well, it's because I

01:05:13.180 don't take any money from AIPAC.

01:05:15.060 I've called for AIPAC to be registered under Farrah.

01:05:18.260 I've introduced amendments to defund all of our American tax dollars from going to Israel

01:05:23.780 every single year, billions and billions of dollars every single year.

01:05:28.320 But I've also done that for a slew of other countries.

01:05:31.920 It's not just Israel.

01:05:33.420 It's a whole bunch of other countries, Egypt, Ukraine, you name it.

01:05:37.620 I'm just like, enough of the foreign aid.

01:05:39.880 But if you're willing to step out and you're actually to say, hey, we're not mega, we're

01:05:45.900 MAGA.

01:05:47.000 And there's a major difference there.

01:05:48.800 Then there is a group of people that come at you with everything they have.

01:05:53.700 And that's what they're doing. 0.53

01:05:55.120 They've got bots attached to my account that load my comment sections with ridiculous lies.

01:06:02.160 They've got paid social media influencers that literally get paid by Israel or by Israel

01:06:08.820 aligned donors to attack me constantly every single day.

01:06:13.080 But let me tell you something, Tucker.

01:06:15.640 People are too smart nowadays.

01:06:17.740 And that's what's great.

01:06:19.460 People have had it.

01:06:20.800 And I think they learned a lot of lessons through COVID.

01:06:23.780 They learned how to see through the lies and read through the propaganda.

01:06:27.660 And there may be this like little flurry of attack on me that exists on X, you know, but

01:06:33.920 out in the real world, that's not what I feel.

01:06:37.180 And those are not the comments that I get.

01:06:39.460 And I think that's the case for me.

01:06:41.940 Not only me, but I also think that's the case for Thomas Massey.

01:06:45.500 He has massive support in his district in Kentucky, even though it looks online like he is just 0.91

01:06:52.880 the worst human being on the planet.

01:06:56.120 But no, it's it's just not the case.

01:06:58.840 So Massey has gotten in a fight like a personal fight with the president.

01:07:04.580 And unfortunately, I think it has gotten personal.

01:07:06.800 I should say I don't agree with every Massey's more libertarian than I am.

01:07:10.140 But of all the members other than you of the Congress, I know I know a lot of them.

01:07:15.000 He's the most principled.

01:07:16.440 He's also a thoroughly decent man, like actually.

01:07:20.240 And his personal life, if you and I know a lot about it, is like one of the most impressive

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01:07:26.020 He is self-reliant in the in the most American sense.

01:07:29.680 This is a guy who lives off grid in a house he built himself.

01:07:31.960 And every one of his votes is a voter in principle.

01:07:35.360 So I don't know how you couldn't admire a guy like that.

01:07:38.000 I get that he annoys the president personally.

01:07:39.660 Got it.

01:07:40.700 But I don't think there are many people in the country who live out Donald Trump's own

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01:07:50.920 What the hell is going on that he is a target?

01:07:54.140 But Lindsey Graham has an endorsement. 1.00

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01:09:18.380 I think that's a great question.

01:09:20.100 You know, I love Donald Trump.

01:09:22.380 I do.

01:09:22.840 I love Guy.

01:09:23.620 I sincerely say it all the time because I genuinely do.

01:09:28.420 But I'll also tell you, I love Thomas Massey.

01:09:30.900 Love Thomas Massey.

01:09:32.400 Yes.

01:09:32.640 He's one of my favorite members of Congress that I work with.

01:09:37.180 You know, and Thomas Massey isn't always a no vote.

01:09:40.460 That's a lie that's been told about him.

01:09:42.560 I personally worked with him on a very important bill that we passed a couple of years ago.

01:09:48.520 And he and I voted on something that we swore we would never vote on.

01:09:53.320 And that was to increase the debt ceiling.

01:09:55.200 But the only reason we gave our vote for that is because we traded it for something we wanted.

01:10:02.140 And we stuck together on it.

01:10:04.160 We wanted a 1% cut to the budget.

01:10:07.480 Just 1%, 1%, and 1% is actually massive.

01:10:11.640 And this was Thomas Massey's plan.

01:10:13.460 He came up with it.

01:10:14.820 And so I partnered with him.

01:10:16.760 And we went to leadership.

01:10:18.100 And we pushed it.

01:10:19.440 And we said, listen, okay, you can get our vote for the debt ceiling increase that you want that we didn't want to do.

01:10:26.460 We don't want to have anything to do with that.

01:10:27.940 We're conservatives.

01:10:28.460 But we will do it only if you promise to put in the bill a guaranteed 1% cut to the budget.

01:10:37.740 And we were willing to do it.

01:10:39.500 So we had another group of really conservative Republicans that were like, yeah, we want to do that too.

01:10:45.360 And so we did it.

01:10:46.540 And guess what?

01:10:47.140 That became law.

01:10:48.300 It was a guaranteed 1% budget cut.

01:10:50.920 And to me, someone that really cares about our national debt and the ridiculous amount of spending that happens in Congress year after year, I was like, this is actually a victory.

01:11:01.220 But what people need to understand is that's the perfect example of Thomas Massey and myself too and others willing to work within the conference and willing to negotiate and willing to say, all right, I'll give you something you want, but you have to give me something that I want.

01:11:19.880 And that's what he's capable of doing.

01:11:23.120 And it was for the good, the good of the entire country.

01:11:27.620 My God, a 1% cut in the budget that never, ever happens.

01:11:32.460 But here they lie about it every day and they call him, oh, he's no on everything and he won't vote for anything.

01:11:38.180 And that's absolutely not true.

01:11:40.120 And I am a witness, literally a living witness to watching Thomas Massey work diligently within our conference among Republicans and saying, okay, I'll give you something you want if you give this to me.

01:11:54.740 But it was so important.

01:11:55.920 It wasn't for Thomas Massey.

01:11:57.300 It's for my God, for our children and grandchildren to actually reduce the budget and work on this national debt.

01:12:03.820 And these are the stories I could tell many of these about Thomas.

01:12:08.500 One of my favorite, Tucker, my favorite story about Thomas is when he actually stood up to the president.

01:12:16.320 And it's quite a story because President Trump was so angry at him.

01:12:21.120 And so was most of the Republican conference.

01:12:24.540 And this is a story that I watched unfold on television, not because I was there in person, because I wasn't.

01:12:33.000 I wasn't a member of Congress yet, but I watched it as an American citizen.

01:12:37.260 And at that time, I was like, Thomas Massey is right.

01:12:41.500 And it's when he forced Congress to go on record voting for the first gigantic, it was $5 trillion, basically a bailout when the country shut down during COVID.

01:12:55.460 And they were going to let that bill pass $5 trillion of spending.

01:12:59.360 It's really what started wrecking our economy with high inflation.

01:13:02.340 But Thomas Massey would not allow that to be passed by voice because Congress constitutionally owes it to the American people to do these things right.

01:13:13.100 And so he went to Washington and demanded a roll call vote on that particular bill.

01:13:19.580 And that was the first major fight that President Trump and Thomas Massey had.

01:13:24.600 But I'll tell you, if I had been in Congress then, I would have been right there with Thomas because I fully agreed with him, fully agreed with him.

01:13:31.500 I was 100% at home.

01:13:34.360 I was against the two weeks to slow the spread where they shut the country down.

01:13:38.900 I was so angry about that.

01:13:40.460 I've never been more angry in my life.

01:13:42.720 And I was cheering Thomas Massey on at home saying, yes, at least there's one person in Washington willing to say this is crazy and trying to stop it, but at least getting a recorded vote from Congress.

01:13:55.620 And so there's a lot of stories like that that unfortunately maybe people don't know about Thomas Massey, but they should, Tucker.

01:14:03.020 They absolutely should know those stories, and I'll be happy to always tell them.

01:14:07.140 Well, I think there's an important principle here.

01:14:08.900 I mean, and I just want to say again, I get why Trump is mad at Massey.

01:14:11.780 And I'm sorry it's gotten personal and they're tweaking each other and all that stuff, but Thomas Massey in the end is one of the most powerful explainers of Trump's own ideas, of Trump's own platform, of the reasons Trump himself got elected president twice.

01:14:28.720 He is, on the most basic bedrock level, one of Trump's truest allies.

01:14:34.740 I know they're pissed at each other, but that's just true.

01:14:37.300 And so you can't allow that guy to get knocked out.

01:14:41.800 Again, I get why they're annoyed with him, but you can't allow him to get primaried by three huge billionaire donors who are not conservative, who believe in none of the five pillars of MAGA, who've worked against them their entire lives.

01:14:53.680 You can't allow that to happen because if you do, the nature of the movement of the coalition of the party itself will change forever.

01:15:01.860 And anyone who stands up for the actual principles of MAGA will be destroyed, and that means it'll become what it was designed to replace, which is kind of Bill Buckley Republican Party, right?

01:15:17.960 Right. No, you're right.

01:15:19.360 And those three billionaire donors don't even live in his state or his district.

01:15:24.200 So I don't think they all live in America, actually, but whatever. 0.65

01:15:27.900 Yeah, no, I don't think they do all live in America, but whatever. 0.64

01:15:31.540 I don't know.

01:15:32.000 I'm not, you know, at their houses for dinner.

01:15:34.040 But so is Massey going to lose? 0.96

01:15:37.520 Is he going to come close to like what's going to happen?

01:15:40.420 I don't think so.

01:15:41.840 I don't think so.

01:15:43.140 I have to tell you, I just there was a sweet, really sweet moment.

01:15:47.960 And I'm glad I got to witness it was after Thomas's wife, Rhonda, passed away.

01:15:53.840 And you remember that.

01:15:55.280 I remember her well.

01:15:56.500 Yeah.

01:15:57.980 Yes.

01:15:58.680 And oh, my God, Thomas.

01:16:01.820 It was terrible.

01:16:02.900 He was completely wrecked, totally wrecked as a human, as a man.

01:16:08.220 He just it was one of the saddest things I've seen.

01:16:11.120 And, you know, here's what's so special about Donald Trump.

01:16:15.940 He called Thomas and they had a very nice phone call.

01:16:21.220 And I was witness to that phone call.

01:16:24.100 And I can tell you that that moved Thomas's heart.

01:16:29.000 He was so grateful, literally so grateful when President Trump called him and expressed

01:16:35.460 his condolences and talked to him and they just shared something so, so beautiful between

01:16:41.440 human beings.

01:16:43.600 Just talking about a time when a man is completely broken because he lost his wife.

01:16:48.560 And then President Trump did what he is so good at doing.

01:16:52.520 Why we love him so much is he'll dive into a moment of brokenness for another person.

01:16:59.320 And that was that was so great.

01:17:02.340 And I tell you what, if those two men, if those two men actually could come together,

01:17:09.660 our America First agenda would be unstoppable because Thomas Massey doesn't waiver in Congress

01:17:16.300 and Donald Trump never waivers in the Oval Office.

01:17:19.900 And that that would be something that I would love to see happen rather than these three big,

01:17:25.660 rich donors that hate Thomas Massey because he he won't vote for funding to Israel instead

01:17:31.860 of these three billionaire donors trying to take him out and lie to his district.

01:17:36.460 And and why why is a Republican attacking a Republican?

01:17:40.020 None of this should be happening.

01:17:41.440 No, if they came together, I think it'd be it'd be an unstoppable.

01:17:46.400 I agree because the choice is Thomas Massey, a man of principle, a patriot, a truly decent

01:17:53.240 person, a self-reliant American of the kind we need more of or, you know, the kind of people

01:17:59.980 who have just no regard for the country at all, who who just who use it like a disposable

01:18:04.220 product, who just don't care at all.

01:18:06.320 And I would include, you know, Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz and Mark Levin.

01:18:10.280 You can't have them take over.

01:18:11.320 So where does this go?

01:18:15.260 Like, where is kind of the victory for the actual MAGA people here?

01:18:23.680 Well, that's something that so this will work out the way that it should.

01:18:29.700 The people will get to vote and in his district, they'll get to decide, are they going to be

01:18:35.400 swayed by these millions and millions of dollars to put ads on television that lie about their

01:18:41.100 representative that they've had for years?

01:18:43.580 He's not new.

01:18:44.680 He's been there for years.

01:18:45.640 They know him very well.

01:18:47.260 And they will actually get to decide if they want to keep them.

01:18:50.740 And if they keep them, then that tells the political consultants that are just making

01:18:56.160 money off of this whole thing. 0.96

01:18:57.940 It'll basically be a big F you and screw you. 0.99

01:19:01.360 You lost.

01:19:02.620 And these billionaire donors, you don't get to buy a district.

01:19:05.920 You don't get to tell a group of people that that they can't have their representative

01:19:12.100 that they have voted for over and over again.

01:19:14.680 By the way, in the high 70s and 80 percent, he has voted in.

01:19:19.940 You know, if that if that happens, then I will tell you, Tucker, then our our country is gone.

01:19:27.980 If if billionaire donors that literally put another country, another foreign country before our own are able to buy a congressional seat, then the American people completely lose representation.

01:19:41.420 Yeah, that's assuming they have it now.

01:19:45.480 I mean, 70, about 70 percent, 70 percent.

01:19:49.700 And this is across both parties of members of Congress take a pack money.

01:19:52.680 That's gone on for my whole life as far as I know.

01:19:56.500 But no one ever talked about it until this year.

01:19:59.220 And now people understand what that is.

01:20:01.600 If it's a foreign lobby acting on behalf of a foreign government.

01:20:05.680 And I just wonder, can that continue?

01:20:07.760 Can people I mean, like, will there be a town hall meeting with a member of Congress in the next year where that person isn't asked?

01:20:13.840 Like, why are you taking money from a foreign lobby?

01:20:15.820 Oh, I think we're going to see that in this election cycle.

01:20:19.860 It's already happening.

01:20:21.600 I just saw that AIPAC is now trying to get donations to their their politicians.

01:20:29.060 They support through back channels, not directly coming from AIPAC.

01:20:33.360 So it doesn't show up on their FEC reports.

01:20:36.120 That's a big deal because people have had it.

01:20:38.860 People are so sick of it.

01:20:40.960 They don't want their elected leaders to be bought off for a foreign country, any foreign country, not just Israel, any foreign country.

01:20:49.720 But they are so offended by AIPAC.

01:20:52.400 And they're offended.

01:20:53.120 You want to know why they're offended because AIPAC doubles down and they're offended because Mark Levin calls every single one an anti-Semite.

01:21:01.240 And every single name that he can sputter out of his hateful little face as he is so angry because people aren't bowing down and blowing up all of Israel's enemies.

01:21:12.280 And it's like and it's when Ted Cruz is is losing his mind because people like me and you are just simply wanting to do what's right for our country and for our kids and our American businesses and our American border.

01:21:27.480 And Ted Cruz can't take it.

01:21:28.880 And it's it's like that has gotten so in the face of just right in people's faces so hard that it's the whole thing is breaking and falling apart.

01:21:39.520 Like this this this train has left the station.

01:21:42.460 It's not coming back, especially with the younger generation.

01:21:45.640 I know you talk to them.

01:21:47.300 I guess that was yesterday.

01:21:48.840 And I think you heard it firsthand.

01:21:50.860 I hear it firsthand all the time.

01:21:52.860 And it's even it's not just the younger generation, though.

01:21:56.080 It's it's in the millennials.

01:21:57.700 It's in Gen X and it's even seeping into the boomers.

01:22:01.400 But the whole propaganda machine that has been spoon fed to Christians, whether it's in the pews at church or Bible study or coming through the television or through their politicians mouths that we have to do everything for Israel. 0.83

01:22:17.160 That's the only way we're going to go to heaven.

01:22:19.500 America will be cursed if we don't.

01:22:21.840 That whole lie is breaking apart.

01:22:24.980 And thank God it is, because I as a Christian, you as a Christian, we know there's only one way.

01:22:30.280 And it's through Jesus Christ.

01:22:31.820 He is our savior.

01:22:33.000 He died on a cross for us.

01:22:34.600 He rose from the dead in three days.

01:22:36.600 He is the one and only living son of God.

01:22:39.540 And he is seated at the right hand of the father.

01:22:41.400 And he's going to come again one day to judge the living and the dead.

01:22:44.960 And that is the way you go to heaven.

01:22:48.080 And that is the truth.

01:22:49.440 And that is the light.

01:22:50.620 And that is the only way that we should think and believe.

01:22:54.120 And it doesn't come to bowing down to Israel, the government of Israel or the military of Israel or any politician.

01:23:00.500 And the shaming that we have received and the shaming that carries on is actually what is destroying them, completely destroying them.

01:23:12.380 It's destroying not only them.

01:23:13.740 It's destroying the social media influencers that are taking money.

01:23:17.140 It is destroying everyone that gets sucked into this great deception.

01:23:22.000 And that's what it is, Tucker.

01:23:23.160 It is a great deception.

01:23:24.740 But thank God people are waking up to it.

01:23:27.320 Yeah, I know the Israel's foreign ministry has paid a lot of people to slander me as a bigot.

01:23:34.020 But I just want to be clear that the people I'm most upset with are not Israelis or Jews. 1.00

01:23:39.500 They're Christian ministers, self-described Christian ministers who are preaching heresy. 0.94

01:23:44.180 That really offends me.

01:23:45.680 I mean, I understand Israel as a country that's seeking every possible advantage.

01:23:49.980 It's a small country.

01:23:50.980 It's 9 million people.

01:23:51.640 It's in a relevant country, really.

01:23:53.160 And it's made itself relevant through pluck and aggression and violence.

01:23:56.940 And lobbying and, you know, I kind of respect that in a way.

01:24:00.920 You know, they're making their way in the world.

01:24:02.200 You know, they don't have a lot.

01:24:03.740 And they're trying, you know, to leverage everything that they do have.

01:24:06.680 So I get it.

01:24:07.980 I don't like it, but I get it.

01:24:10.160 And I do respect it in some ways. 0.84

01:24:11.900 But what I don't respect, what I'm horrified by, is Christian ministers making excuses for the murder of Christians. 0.98

01:24:19.560 Or anyone else, actually, for that matter.

01:24:21.660 Right.

01:24:21.880 And they should know better.

01:24:23.740 It is heresy.

01:24:25.160 It's misleading.

01:24:26.180 A lot of the best people in the country, a lot of the Christian Zionist evangelicals are like wonderful people.

01:24:31.640 Like wonderful people.

01:24:32.600 Like my favorite people, actually.

01:24:34.000 And they've been completely brainwashed by this deception because their leaders are themselves brainwashed or paid or who knows what their motive is.

01:24:42.600 But they're telling lies.

01:24:44.200 And I really feel like they need to be called out above all else.

01:24:50.360 I fully agree with you.

01:24:52.180 As a matter of fact, I did a call last night with, and there was many Christians that are from the West Bank and from Gaza on the call.

01:24:59.580 And they were being very honest about all the horrible things that they have been through themselves and people they know have been through and the abuse that they take from the IDF and the abuse that they constantly take.

01:25:16.720 And these are the atrocities that Americans, especially American Christians, need to understand.

01:25:22.400 And it's real.

01:25:24.740 It is constantly happening.

01:25:25.780 I've heard from so many Christians in the West Bank about how they are attacked constantly by settlers.

01:25:32.220 I've heard stories about how their Christian churches are attacked.

01:25:35.860 I've heard stories about how Christians there have been murdered.

01:25:39.500 And if, you know, we can put Hamas aside if American Christians can't wake up to realize that, okay, hold on. 0.97

01:25:49.320 If we've been lied to and these things are actually happening and they can't analyze it of why they're happening and who is actually doing it, then they really are lost.

01:26:00.900 They really are blinded.

01:26:02.040 But these stories that I'm hearing and being told over and over again, it's not war propaganda.

01:26:09.440 And it is very, very real.

01:26:11.820 And it's some of the worst things happening in our lifetime.

01:26:14.880 It's just like what's happening to Christians in Nigeria. 0.53

01:26:17.300 There's real Christian persecution, and it's happening in Gaza, and it's happening in the West Bank, and it cannot be ignored. 0.96

01:26:25.940 And Christian pastors, most of all, should be the ones talking about it, not making excuses for Israel and demanding that the people in their pews

01:26:36.000 donate their money and give their loyalty and give their obedience to the country that is inflicting these horrors on Christians. 1.00

01:26:44.640 These Christian pastors should be the ones calling it out. 1.00

01:26:48.100 Yeah.

01:26:49.120 It's one of the most shameful things I've ever seen in my life, and it's one of the things that offends me more than anything.

01:26:54.900 So I hope they repent, because I think it's really, really dark what they're doing.

01:27:00.800 Last question, and this is just kind of a measure of where the movement is, MAGA, where the Republican Party is going, where the nation is going.

01:27:08.760 Ted Cruz is planning to run for president for the Republican nomination next, you know, in next cycle, next presidential cycle.

01:27:17.220 Why? I mean, that's, look, I'm not, you're in politics, I'm not.

01:27:23.560 I think Ted Cruz is a sad, you know, needs to work on some personal stuff, and is one of the saddest people I've ever known, well.

01:27:30.920 And it's unimaginable to me that he would run for president, it seems like a joke, but he clearly believes it.

01:27:36.800 Why does he believe he can get the Republican nomination, do you think? And does he have a shot?

01:27:41.120 Well, first of all, Ted Cruz is from Canada, not Texas.

01:27:47.740 So I think that is...

01:27:49.380 Thank you, Marjorie.

01:27:53.080 Yeah, that's the biggest disqualifying thing right there, and I will never, ever let it go.

01:27:58.720 If he runs for president, I'll make sure I spend a lot of time making sure every American knows that he's from Canada and not from Texas.

01:28:05.540 No, I'll tell you what's happening going forward.

01:28:07.920 It is going to be, it's going to be serious.

01:28:11.720 People are not going to accept the standard Republican.

01:28:16.120 People are watching everyone so close right now, and they're in it.

01:28:20.720 They don't realize that they're under a magnifying glass.

01:28:24.240 Not only Ted Cruz, I'll even go to someone I very much like, J.D. Vance.

01:28:28.640 He's under a magnifying glass, and I don't know if he realizes it or not.

01:28:32.100 I heard people talking about, why did he go to Israel this week?

01:28:35.180 Why? Again, why is he over there?

01:28:38.440 He should be here.

01:28:40.100 So there's people watching every single thing that any potential presidential contender is doing right now and watching what they're saying.

01:28:50.080 And America voted for America first, and they meant it. 0.93

01:28:53.300 And right now they're extremely angry.

01:28:56.840 And I think that a lot of Republicans in Washington are so tone deaf to this, they don't even get it.

01:29:01.880 But many Americans that voted for Republicans gave us the House majority, gave us the Senate majority, and put our favorite president back into office, Donald Trump.

01:29:11.300 They're mad.

01:29:11.980 And they're really, really mad.

01:29:15.400 They're stepping back.

01:29:16.820 They're taking a hard look, and they're starting to be vocal about it.

01:29:19.960 They are angry that everything costs so much.

01:29:23.760 They're angry that Republicans refuse to get engaged and finally build the off-ramp to get off of Obamacare that Democrats created 15 years ago.

01:29:34.720 It's like, come on, solve the problem, finally.

01:29:38.100 At least give a policy idea and do something about it.

01:29:41.700 But these Americans that voted for America first, they meant it.

01:29:45.700 And here's the warning to Republicans, and I can't say this loud enough.

01:29:50.400 People are going to sit it out.

01:29:51.700 People are not going to show up and work for you and doorknock for you and vote for you and give you money and sit there and hand you the majority and hand you full control over this country if you're not willing to actually deliver the agenda that the people demanded, that the people bought in, that the people are begging for.

01:30:14.000 Screw the Democrats.

01:30:15.080 They destroyed the country. 0.99

01:30:16.620 Absolutely destroyed the country.

01:30:18.100 We had Antifa BLM riots in 2020.

01:30:20.740 We had ridiculous spending, COVID lockdowns, forced masking, forced vaccines.

01:30:27.500 They torched education by forcing kids to stay home, weaponized governments against parents, against pro-lifers, against J6ers. 1.00

01:30:37.040 This is what the people absolutely remember.

01:30:39.820 And so when they're looking forward to who they're voting for and who they're supporting, whether it's 2026 midterms or the 2028 presidential race,

01:30:49.340 these are the things people are thinking about and they haven't forgotten and they want someone that they know and they can trust that is literally going to stick it out and finally deliver these things.

01:31:01.400 Because right now they're mad about a $40 billion bailout to Argentina.

01:31:05.480 They're really angry that our American cattle ranchers and beef ranchers are getting screwed and Argentina beef is going to be sold into America.

01:31:17.280 They're mad about a lot of things.

01:31:19.240 They're really mad about a lot of things and they're sick and tired of the foreign countries constantly on television every single day at the White House.

01:31:26.920 They don't want to see a foreign leader there. 1.00

01:31:29.280 And I love Donald Trump and I get to say these things because I love him so much, Tucker.

01:31:35.200 I get to say these things and I get to tell the truth because when the MAGA train left the station, I was on it the entire time. 0.67

01:31:43.120 And then when everybody bailed and jumped off on it, I got out and I helped push it up the fucking mountain, excuse my language, to get it to the top so that we could win and get there.

01:31:53.080 And so I get to say when things are going sideways and when they're going wrong, I get to say these things.

01:31:59.040 And that's because my job title is representative.

01:32:01.960 That means I represent the people and nobody else.

01:32:05.620 And you know what? 0.98

01:32:06.560 I don't give a shit about Mark Levin or Ted Cruz or whatever, whoever, or somebody that has the name Turd in their name or some Israeli spy named Laura Loomer. 0.99

01:32:19.280 I don't care about any of these people. 0.99

01:32:20.980 They are irrelevant and mean nothing to me.

01:32:24.840 Absolutely.

01:32:25.400 And you want to know something?

01:32:26.760 They are the last people that Americans that work hard are ever really going to trust and support.

01:32:33.220 And so you ask me and I'm giving you my honest honesty.

01:32:39.460 I should say I think J.D. and his wife are over there trying to force Netanyahu to abide by the terms of the peace agreement.

01:32:45.700 But I definitely agree that you see the stream of people going and wearing the outfit and getting their pictures taken at the wall and all that.

01:32:56.460 And it does seem like a humiliation ritual.

01:32:59.480 It is a humiliation ritual, obviously.

01:33:00.720 It is a dominance exercise.

01:33:04.740 And it is so humiliating to our country.

01:33:08.000 I think that that should stop.

01:33:09.180 Do you think – so have you taken this message to the White House?

01:33:11.960 I have taken it as loudly as I possibly can everywhere.

01:33:18.960 I think the best thing for me to do is just to say it publicly.

01:33:23.100 That's the best thing to do is to say it publicly.

01:33:25.560 Yeah, no, I agree.

01:33:25.700 Because everybody knows it.

01:33:28.140 Everybody knows it.

01:33:30.260 And me, of all people, I can tell you, Tucker, I want our team to be more successful than anyone. 0.98

01:33:37.660 But I have a really hard time with my team standing on the sidelines, refusing to actually get in the damn game and play the game and deliver. 0.92

01:33:47.480 Because I believe in offense. 0.98

01:33:48.820 I do not believe in defense. 0.99

01:33:50.040 And the most – the biggest thing that disgusts me the most is actually sitting in and out and refusing to even get out there and fucking play. 0.99

01:33:58.700 Excuse my language, but I am so pissed off at Republicans right now. 0.98

01:34:02.540 This country gave us a one-time chance.

01:34:06.480 And I have given up a lot of great things in my life.

01:34:09.800 And I see it right now is you get in there and you get it done. 0.76

01:34:13.880 And I don't want to hear another damn excuse if I have to watch another press conference with Mike Johnson up there bubbling around. 1.00

01:34:20.040 Saying stupid political drama stuff. 0.99

01:34:22.440 And then you have Leader Thune up there pointing his finger at Chuck Schumer and Chuck Schumer's pointing it back at Thune. 1.00

01:34:28.560 It's like, get the job done.

01:34:30.640 This is – everyone's so sick of the drama. 0.86

01:34:33.780 It's so disgusting. 1.00

01:34:35.580 It's so retarded. 1.00

01:34:36.820 And everyone's over it. 1.00

01:34:38.360 So Republicans need to get their shit together. 0.99

01:34:41.620 I can see why they're afraid of you. 0.99

01:34:44.140 And I can see why so many admire you.

01:34:46.820 Definitely starting with me.

01:34:48.100 So Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, bless you for what you said.

01:34:52.360 I know how much you mean it.

01:34:53.560 And thank you for explaining it so well.

01:34:55.180 Great to see you.

01:34:56.920 Thank you, Tucker.

01:34:57.960 I appreciate it.

01:34:59.280 Thank you.

01:35:00.500 And we'll be back next Wednesday evening live at 6 p.m. Eastern.

01:35:06.040 Thank you very much.

01:35:18.100 We've got a new website we hope you will visit.

01:35:24.960 It's called newcommissionnow.com.

01:35:28.420 And it refers to a new 9-11 commission.

01:35:31.960 So we spent months putting together our 9-11 documentary series.

01:35:36.040 And if there's one thing we learned, it's that in fact, there was foreknowledge of the attacks.

01:35:42.680 People knew.

01:35:44.160 The American public deserves to know.

01:35:46.260 We're shocked, actually, to learn that, to have that confirmed.

01:35:48.480 But it's true.

01:35:48.980 The evidence is overwhelming.

01:35:50.320 The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States.

01:35:53.640 They knew they were planning an act of terror.

01:35:55.840 In his passport is a visa to go to the United States of America.

01:36:00.040 A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, to document the event.

01:36:08.240 How did he know there would be an event to document in the first place?

01:36:10.620 Because he had foreknowledge.

01:36:11.800 And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9-11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks.

01:36:26.040 They made money on the 9-11 attacks because they knew they were coming.

01:36:30.900 Who did that? 0.91

01:36:31.960 You have to look at the evidence.

01:36:33.780 The U.S. government learned the name of that investor, but never released it.

01:36:40.400 Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't, actually.

01:36:44.500 And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not.

01:36:46.900 The public deserves to know what the hell that was.

01:36:50.440 How did people know ahead of time why was no one ever punished for it?

01:36:54.080 9-11 Commission, the original one, was a fraud.

01:36:57.480 It was fake.

01:36:59.120 Its conclusions were written before the investigation.

01:37:01.800 That's true.

01:37:02.500 And it's outrageous.

01:37:04.540 This country needs a new 9-11 Commission, one that actually tells the truth, that tries to get to the bottom of the story.

01:37:11.460 We can't just move on like nothing happened.

01:37:14.020 9-11 Commission is a cover.

01:37:16.860 Something did happen.

01:37:18.760 We need to force a new investigation into 9-11 almost 25 years later.

01:37:24.240 Sorry, justice demands it.

01:37:26.420 And if you want that, go to newcommissionnow.com to add your name to our petition.

01:37:32.200 We're not getting paid for this.

01:37:33.240 We're doing this because we really mean it.

01:37:35.520 Newcommissionnow.com.

01:37:36.560 No excuse me.

01:37:38.200 Dude, it's been a few months.

01:37:38.520 What's up?

01:37:38.960 Hello.

01:37:39.780 Good.

01:37:41.160 Let's go.

01:37:43.900 Welcome.

01:37:45.160 Welcome.

The Tucker Carlson Show - October 23, 2025

Tucker and MTG on the 5 Pillars of MAGA and the Snakes in Washington Trying to Tear Them Down

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