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00:01:00.820 As you know, America just had a presidential election.

00:01:04.140 It's been a very hectic and at times a very contentious campaign season.

00:01:08.160 Many people have been offering their opinions, but unfortunately,

00:01:10.960 most don't have a clue what they're talking about.

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00:01:18.840 This man sparks strong reactions across the board.

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00:01:44.540 Tucker Carlson has had a profound impact on how millions of Americans think about politics,

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00:02:01.820 Yeah, so let's just start with what in the heck has the last three days of your life been, Mike?

00:02:21.440 Wild.

00:02:22.260 Yeah.

00:02:23.020 Yeah, I didn't expect that.

00:02:24.320 Yeah.

00:02:25.140 I spent almost 35 years being paid to make predictions about elections.

00:02:29.200 I don't think I ever got a single one.

00:02:30.540 Oh, bless you.

00:02:32.160 Sorry.

00:02:32.880 Thank you.

00:02:33.040 I left the sacred beverage backstage.

00:02:36.220 Yeah, I would not have predicted that at all, that Donald Trump would not only win,

00:02:42.260 but win decisively with a mandate, the majority of the popular vote,

00:02:47.140 the first Republican to do that other than the post-9-11 election in 40 years.

00:02:52.200 So I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it meant, but, I mean, big picture,

00:02:57.120 it means that the current way of doing things has been decisively rejected,

00:03:02.380 most notably by young people.

00:03:04.360 Mm-hmm.

00:03:05.260 Since when was the last election where Republicans won young people?

00:03:08.640 Yeah.

00:03:08.900 I mean, really?

00:03:10.320 You know, you always think of, like, you know, your blue-haired daughter lecturing you about,

00:03:13.920 so, no, your blue-haired daughter voted for Trump, which is kind of wild.

00:03:17.880 She shouldn't have blue hair, but whatever, she voted for Trump.

00:03:21.380 He won half of Hispanics, the overwhelming majority of Hispanic men.

00:03:24.500 Like, all the guy that they've been telling us is a racist for the last nine years.

00:03:27.640 Like, if you knew one thing about Donald Trump from 2015 until Tuesday,

00:03:33.700 it was that he was a racist, because they never stopped telling you that. 0.66

00:03:36.780 And his numbers with black voters went up, his numbers with Hispanic voters just crushed it. 1.00

00:03:41.040 He's never seen anything like that.

00:03:42.920 And so whatever else he is, he's, like, not a racist, obviously.

00:03:45.740 Um, so I do think it's time for his opponents to recalibrate.

00:03:50.540 I don't think any of this is actually about race or sex.

00:03:54.640 I think most people are kind of tired of that.

00:03:57.220 I think those were cul-de-sacs in the first place.

00:03:59.260 I think they were, in fact, in some sense, psyops meant to distract us from what actually matters,

00:04:04.860 which is, like, economics and war.

00:04:07.060 Um, the things that did matter that, uh, changed the course of history.

00:04:11.880 And I think on both of those questions, the current administration, you know,

00:04:16.800 is, like, reckless to the point of craziness.

00:04:18.460 We're on the brink of nuclear war.

00:04:20.580 Why?

00:04:21.480 You know, take a poll of Americans.

00:04:24.560 How many Americans think it's worth risking nuclear war to teach Putin a lesson?

00:04:28.280 I mean, the whole thing's freaking nuts.

00:04:29.500 And because of the nature of our media, which is just North Korean, where no dissenting view is allowed, 0.68

00:04:36.320 it's shouted down immediately, um, I don't think people appreciate the current state of the United States

00:04:41.460 relative to the rest of the world, which is greatly diminished and imperiled.

00:04:46.000 I mean, we're really on the brink of catastrophic conflict, comma, which we will lose, um,

00:04:52.340 in two different theaters, at least.

00:04:54.300 So, you know, the Biden administration did that.

00:04:56.160 When was the last time you read that in the New York Times or saw it on Morning Joe, you haven't.

00:04:59.640 But people sense that things are not moving in the right direction.

00:05:01.840 Then domestically, um, the Biden administration and then the Kamala Harris campaign

00:05:06.820 were both convinced that inflation was not real somehow.

00:05:09.960 Or that it was just right-wing media complaining about it. 0.99

00:05:12.480 It was just Fox News making a big story out of it to get their moron voters to the polls or something. 0.77

00:05:18.100 But actually, the data showed, going back to the COVID checks, that it was entirely real. 0.95

00:05:22.520 By the way, it was predictable.

00:05:23.300 Um, but it was as real as $9 butter.

00:05:27.060 I mean, just, like, anyone who went to the grocery store knew that.

00:05:29.000 But they could not comprehend it.

00:05:31.380 And instead spent this entire, you know, three and a half, four years lecturing the rest of us

00:05:35.900 about trans issues and race.

00:05:38.060 And you may have your opinions on those things,

00:05:39.940 but they're hardly central to, like, the functioning of a country.

00:05:42.520 Like, what are you even talking about?

00:05:44.040 And it turns out that their politics were the politics of unhappy rich girls, actually, 0.95

00:05:48.020 just to be totally blunt about it.

00:05:49.320 And unhappy rich girls make up a very small percentage of the American population. 1.00

00:05:52.980 So everyone else voted for Trump.

00:05:55.560 So, okay, um, now we can have a discussion about adult issues.

00:05:59.640 And I'm really gratified.

00:06:01.320 Uh, I don't think, again, that's ideological.

00:06:03.020 It's not even right versus left.

00:06:04.880 Republican versus Democrat.

00:06:06.240 It's like adults versus people who put signs on their front lawns telling you they believe in science.

00:06:11.220 Well, people like that don't know what science is.

00:06:13.180 Do you know what I mean? 0.93

00:06:15.100 Their view of science is shut up, don't ask questions.

00:06:17.200 Really, I don't think that's science, actually.

00:06:18.580 I think that's kind of the opposite of science.

00:06:20.280 Whatever.

00:06:21.020 Those people lost.

00:06:22.260 The people who live in Brookline and Bethesda and all the screechy people I deal with in airports,

00:06:26.440 they lost.

00:06:28.200 And, um, I'm really glad.

00:06:31.720 Sorry.

00:06:32.380 No, no, it's great.

00:06:33.360 Yeah, I love it.

00:06:34.500 So, if you could advise America's leaders on restoring the country, what would you suggest focusing on politically or spiritual changes?

00:06:44.140 Well, both those things.

00:06:44.900 I mean, first of all, de-emphasize the race stuff.

00:06:46.900 That's just total poison.

00:06:48.400 Nobody talks about it.

00:06:49.240 Like, in your life, you know, are you, when no one's around and you're just with your spouse or your college roommate or your brother or your closest friends,

00:06:58.580 are you, like, mad about race?

00:06:59.980 Probably not.

00:07:00.460 Most people don't spend their lives thinking about race.

00:07:02.820 Or other people's sex lives, for that matter.

00:07:06.020 They just don't.

00:07:07.560 And if our leaders encourage us to have yet another fake conversation about race, which is really just one person yelling at another person, that person having to take it,

00:07:16.800 like, that does nothing but divide the country and makes people hate each other, which is, of course, their goal.

00:07:21.060 So, stop with that.

00:07:22.540 If you engender racial conflict in a population, it's very hard to make that go away.

00:07:28.040 Most Americans do not want that at all.

00:07:30.760 They don't see race first.

00:07:31.840 It's just a fact.

00:07:32.420 These are all facts.

00:07:33.700 This is not a racist country.

00:07:35.120 It's a really nice country.

00:07:36.240 It's a country where people give directions to strangers and, like, take in stray dogs.

00:07:39.820 It's just people aren't racist, actually.

00:07:41.920 And so stop with that stuff.

00:07:44.540 Restore the colorblind meritocracy that we were promised.

00:07:47.760 That is the basis of America.

00:07:49.140 Innovation comes when the most energetic, smartest people are allowed to do their thing, when entrepreneurs are allowed to be entrepreneurial, and artists are allowed to create art, and writers are allowed to write literature, and Elon's allowed to build rockets.

00:08:01.140 And it doesn't matter, sort of, what color they are, what gender they are, it just matters that they have the energy and the drive and the intelligence and the ability to organize sufficient to get that done.

00:08:10.780 And so, you know, dismantle the state, the kind of, I hate to say it, but they're always calling Trump a Nazi, really?

00:08:20.600 Or is he the one who said every person in America has to, like, identify by race, by bloodline? 0.92

00:08:25.580 That's sick.

00:08:26.840 Like, we rejected that, actually, in 1945, and we should reject it again and unleash the best within each one of us.

00:08:36.540 I mean, you build this monument to Martin Luther King on the Mall.

00:08:38.940 Okay, let's follow its precepts.

00:08:40.940 Let's judge each other by the content of our character, by what we do rather than how we were born.

00:08:45.620 Like, that is the promise of America.

00:08:47.520 And that, you know, we spend all this time taking care of gearing our education system to the people who learn the slowest.

00:08:56.580 Maybe we should spend a little bit of time helping the people who learn the quickest. 0.76

00:09:01.080 It can't just be making every school dumber.

00:09:04.080 What about, like, the smart kids who want to learn and want to create? 0.64

00:09:06.760 Like, they should be allowed to do that, too.

00:09:08.720 Just back off and let people do their thing, and you will create an incredibly beautiful country and stop encouraging them to hate each other.

00:09:17.140 So that's, I mean, those are kind of vibe shifts.

00:09:19.620 These are not specific policies.

00:09:23.040 Those are the first two things I would do.

00:09:24.600 Second, restore order to the world.

00:09:26.900 We, again, I cannot overstate, as someone who travels a lot internationally, how close to nuclear conflict the United States has been for the past three years.

00:09:35.960 Almost three years, almost three years, come February.

00:09:37.920 Like, on the precipice of it.

00:09:39.980 And because our media don't report this, I think most Americans don't really have a sense of it.

00:09:45.400 But we are truly on the end, on the edge of, like, ending human life globally.

00:09:52.920 It's crazy.

00:09:53.860 Nothing like this, nothing this crazy has ever happened, probably ever, in history.

00:09:58.420 And so the role of the United States, if the United States is going to be a global leader, not its policeman, but a leader, a force for good, it has to become what it once was, which is a force for order and stability, not endless revolution, which is what we have had.

00:10:14.860 Well, let's knock off the leader of that country and hope for the best.

00:10:17.560 Well, that didn't work. 0.98

00:10:18.780 You know, we killed Gaddafi. 0.86

00:10:19.720 We killed Saddam. 0.98

00:10:20.360 Those countries became worse than they were before. 0.94

00:10:23.360 There are open slave markets in Tripoli, Libya.

00:10:25.540 Well, let's just ignore that.

00:10:26.540 The same people who did that, just move on.

00:10:28.020 Let's bump off Bashar al-Assad in Syria. 1.00

00:10:30.400 Let's kill Putin and hope for the best. 1.00

00:10:31.800 Stop. 1.00

00:10:32.920 Stop.

00:10:34.140 No more revolutions.

00:10:35.380 This is what the Soviet Union has to do. 0.58

00:10:37.080 Run around the world trying to foment revolutions, overthrow one government and hope that a better government would take its place.

00:10:42.580 That's not how life works, actually.

00:10:44.320 It takes an awful long time to create something worth having.

00:10:48.960 Progress is incremental.

00:10:50.160 Destruction is instant.

00:10:51.620 I can smash a plate glass window in a second.

00:10:54.100 Try to make one.

00:10:55.100 Do you know how a plate glass window is made?

00:10:57.880 It's complicated.

00:10:59.800 Right?

00:11:00.260 And that's true for countries, too.

00:11:02.280 So restore order.

00:11:03.620 The United States should be a force for order.

00:11:05.820 No, we're not going to blow up your natural gas pipeline, which we did to Germany.

00:11:10.360 Destroyed the German economy.

00:11:12.220 Destroyed the German economy.

00:11:13.280 I don't know how many of you travel to Europe.

00:11:15.220 Europe is Germany. 0.89

00:11:16.840 The European economy is Germany.

00:11:17.920 And that economy has been crushed by what we did.

00:11:21.140 Stop doing things like that.

00:11:23.000 Okay?

00:11:24.200 Reorient away from permanent revolution. 1.00

00:11:26.900 And the lunatics are now running the State Department, beginning with the chief lunatic, who's also stupid, Tony Blinken. 1.00

00:11:34.160 All the way down the chain. 1.00

00:11:36.860 Just reorient the whole thing.

00:11:38.420 No.

00:11:38.680 Our job is to be paternal.

00:11:41.160 When, if you're a father, you come home, your kids are fighting. 0.80

00:11:46.860 If your first instinct is to tell them to keep fighting, hit them harder. 1.00

00:11:53.480 You're a monster. 1.00

00:11:55.160 You're a moral criminal. 1.00

00:11:56.880 You're a bad dad. 1.00

00:11:58.620 No.

00:11:59.300 Your instinct is consistent with your duty, which is tell them to knock it off.

00:12:04.020 And make up.

00:12:05.760 Make things better.

00:12:07.900 And so, you know, there are reports.

00:12:09.420 And look, Trump is always, and he does a lot, I think, to feed this perception.

00:12:15.680 You know, he's often criticized as, you know, reckless or seat of the pants or whatever.

00:12:19.440 But in fact, the opposite is true.

00:12:21.120 I think it is being reported, like, in the last five minutes, that one of the first things Trump did after winning was to speak to both Zelensky and Putin.

00:12:31.040 And to make it really clear that the net effect of this war in Ukraine has only been the total destruction of the nation of Ukraine.

00:12:38.440 Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men killed.

00:12:41.700 Eastern Ukraine destroyed.

00:12:43.500 I mean, really, just the elimination of a country, the biggest country in Europe.

00:12:47.480 And that sort of no one wins.

00:12:49.180 Like, there's been no upside to this at all.

00:12:51.920 It's been effectively a genocide against the Ukrainians.

00:12:54.700 And we're going to stop it now.

00:12:56.240 We're going to stop it.

00:12:57.080 And he spoke to both of them.

00:12:58.260 That's what a United States president should do. 0.58

00:13:00.980 And this lunatic who's been running our country for the past four years, like, hasn't spoken to Putin once. 0.99

00:13:06.420 Because he's immoral. 0.99

00:13:07.700 Really?

00:13:08.080 Okay.

00:13:09.120 Immoral. 1.00

00:13:10.240 Find a world leader who's not immoral.

00:13:13.000 What do leaders do? 0.98

00:13:13.880 Well, a lot of them kill people. 0.93

00:13:14.880 In fact, I'd say about 100% of them do. 0.65

00:13:16.280 If they have enough power, they kill people who are in their way. 0.82

00:13:18.260 That's what they do. 0.72

00:13:18.800 Sorry.

00:13:19.660 I'm against that.

00:13:20.720 That's why I'm not a leader.

00:13:22.160 But that's the nature of global leadership.

00:13:24.200 So it's not a question of, you know, finding, like, a good person in charge of a large country.

00:13:29.760 You're not going to.

00:13:30.620 There aren't any.

00:13:32.000 But you can find better people.

00:13:34.020 And you can arrive, critically, at better outcomes.

00:13:36.540 And the better outcome is no more war.

00:13:40.140 And Trump did that instantaneously.

00:13:41.760 And I think it's going to work.

00:13:43.120 That's worth voting for him alone.

00:13:44.680 If you voted for Trump and, you know, there are people in your life who are like, I can't believe you voted for that guy. 1.00

00:13:49.860 He's a rapist. 1.00

00:13:50.540 Okay. 1.00

00:13:51.440 First of all, who do you rape exactly? 0.99

00:13:53.080 Oh, lots of people. 0.98

00:13:54.000 Really?

00:13:54.180 What are their names and why hasn't he been charged? 0.99

00:13:55.460 Shut up. 0.98

00:13:56.880 Um, actually. 1.00

00:13:58.320 What are you even talking about?

00:13:59.460 Stop with that.

00:14:00.180 Don't accuse someone of rape.

00:14:01.340 Like, what?

00:14:02.920 Stop talking like that.

00:14:04.860 Running around accusing people of things, of crimes, of felonies, without any evidence.

00:14:10.140 Like, what's your name?

00:14:11.080 They can't answer.

00:14:11.800 The whole thing's nuts.

00:14:12.780 Stop lecturing me.

00:14:14.560 Adults, people who run countries, the first thing they do is try and stop pointless wars.

00:14:18.780 They don't foment pointless wars.

00:14:20.080 They end them.

00:14:21.400 And Trump just did that.

00:14:22.300 So, if you voted for Trump, on that basis alone, you should be proud of what you did, in my opinion.

00:14:28.980 Wow.

00:14:32.980 So, you have, uh, you've interviewed so many people.

00:14:37.420 I mean, recently.

00:14:38.740 Elon Musk.

00:14:39.540 I mean, you interviewed Putin earlier in the year.

00:14:42.760 Putin!

00:14:44.600 What was that experience like?

00:14:46.440 It was great.

00:14:46.980 It was super interesting.

00:14:48.380 And I should just say that when I interview somebody, obviously, I'm endorsing everything that person's ever done.

00:14:53.880 Um.

00:14:56.380 You know, you really, it does really go back to the American media, where I've spent my entire life.

00:15:00.220 I'm the son of a journalist.

00:15:01.840 Uh, I grew up around it.

00:15:02.960 So, that makes it, 55 years I've been around this.

00:15:05.380 And, um, its current state is just, is almost beyond description.

00:15:09.740 In how low and poisonous and dishonest it is.

00:15:12.280 I'm just ashamed to be a part of it.

00:15:14.700 Um, no, I mean, of course, you would want to interview.

00:15:18.960 You know, your default, if your job is to interview people, is to interview the most powerful people in the world.

00:15:23.380 The most significant people in the world.

00:15:24.920 And the point of those interviews is to ask them obvious questions, and then let the public in your country, in my case, it's the United States, decide what they think.

00:15:31.760 That's my job.

00:15:32.360 And so, the idea that you wouldn't interview somebody because the State Department doesn't like him, or the senile guy in charge of the country has declared war on him without a congressional resolution, that the government doesn't want you to interview.

00:15:46.000 I don't care what the government wants.

00:15:47.160 I'm an American citizen.

00:15:48.080 I can talk to anybody I want to.

00:15:49.740 And, moreover, I can have any opinion I want to.

00:15:51.680 That's my birthright.

00:15:53.080 And that's why I don't live in Sri Lanka, okay, or North Korea, or any other country.

00:15:56.420 I'm American, okay?

00:15:57.700 That's what it is to be American.

00:15:59.800 So, um, I'm not being defensive.

00:16:01.800 I actually don't care that the New York Times called me a Putin lover.

00:16:04.500 What I don't, you know, anyone who believes in New York Times is like, okay, good luck.

00:16:08.640 Um, but it's just a little bit bewildering that nobody else wanted to interview Putin because what the CIA tells you, you're not supposed to want to.

00:16:17.960 If the CIA tells me I'm not supposed to want to do something, and they certainly made that very clear to me, that makes me want to do it more.

00:16:25.360 I mean, that's my job.

00:16:27.440 And if you find yourself, like on the set of Morning Joe, taking orders from the intel agencies, then maybe you should just go work for the intel agencies.

00:16:35.640 Maybe you should admit that to your viewers.

00:16:37.120 Well, you know, today's program is brought to you by the NSA because effectively it is.

00:16:42.460 And the intel agencies have a much greater role in American news coverage than most news consumers understand.

00:16:51.800 I would say that virtually any news consumers understand.

00:16:55.280 And I've seen it, you know, for over 30 years, so I'm very familiar with it.

00:16:58.980 But it's absolutely crazy that no one has stopped it.

00:17:01.300 And I'm praying, it's very hard to stop it, by the way.

00:17:03.260 I'm praying that Donald Trump will.

00:17:05.780 I mean, that's on a long to-do list.

00:17:07.380 But I would say near the top, you have to, if you want to restore democracy, which we don't currently really have.

00:17:14.140 The lefties are right about that.

00:17:15.440 They don't want it.

00:17:16.220 I do want it.

00:17:17.060 I actually like democracy because I think it's my country.

00:17:19.540 I was born here.

00:17:20.260 I'm an owner of this system.

00:17:23.140 I'm not a renter or a serf.

00:17:24.720 But if you want to restore it, you have to prevent the government from using your tax dollars to lie to you.

00:17:33.440 Because if you have that system, which we currently have, trust me, I can speak with authority on this,

00:17:38.940 then you don't have a democracy because you don't even know what reality is.

00:17:42.740 In other words, the people in charge are deciding what you can know about what they're doing.

00:17:48.540 Well, that's a rigged system by its nature.

00:17:50.560 How is that not a rigged system?

00:17:51.620 How is that democracy?

00:17:52.800 It's not.

00:17:53.280 It's an oligarchy of the worst kind.

00:17:56.960 And I just don't think people in this country understand the degree to which the information that they received over their Google machines or from NBC News or from the last of the dying newspapers.

00:18:06.900 They don't understand just how filtered that information is.

00:18:10.760 Like, you have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world if you're only getting your news in this country.

00:18:15.500 You have no idea what the candidates are really like.

00:18:17.660 It's really crazy.

00:18:18.760 We have an ongoing debate in my office because we travel a lot.

00:18:21.720 Does the average North Korean peasant have a better idea of what's happening in the world than the average person in a suburb of Boston?

00:18:30.580 Maybe.

00:18:31.360 It's actually open to debate.

00:18:33.740 Like, that's how filtered it is.

00:18:35.740 And so the first step toward fixing it is admitting that you have the problem.

00:18:40.040 Let's stop pretending.

00:18:41.860 You know, if you can't even go interview Putin, who's engaged in a war in the middle of Europe, if you're discouraged from doing that, and the U.S. government tried to stop me from doing that by breaking into my signal account and leaking it to the New York Times, they got caught.

00:18:54.340 They admitted it.

00:18:56.520 If that's allowed, no one was ever fired for it.

00:18:59.920 No other, the New York Times didn't rise to my defense.

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00:19:15.600 How do you know what reality is?

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00:21:51.560 Well, so you've been in, oh man, media and TV for, I mean, your life.

00:22:15.980 Since August of 1991.

00:22:17.320 Wow.

00:22:18.440 What advice would you have on where to get, what to listen to, where to get a diverse or accurate, non-propagandized sort of education?

00:22:31.380 It's pretty hard.

00:22:32.260 I mean, I've gone so crazy, and obviously I wouldn't recommend this to other people, but I don't read any news at all ever, period.

00:22:38.180 I don't read any of it.

00:22:39.200 I was in it too long.

00:22:40.760 I know how poisoned it is.

00:22:42.520 It's like watching a, you know, sometimes you meet nurses who are the most honest people in hospitals in my experience, and they'll tell you, like, oh man, don't get any, you know, cardiac catheter at that hospital, they'll kill you.

00:22:56.580 You should probably believe the nurse.

00:22:57.680 Like, she works there.

00:22:58.420 And that's how I feel about media.

00:23:02.340 Like, I know how it works, and so I don't read any of it.

00:23:05.380 I get all my information from people via text message.

00:23:08.460 I travel a ton to see things firsthand because there's no replacing that.

00:23:13.680 But the advice that I would, I give my own children on this question is go with your gut.

00:23:20.660 Like, I actually think we have a much more accurate sort of internal measuring system for truth than we understand.

00:23:28.860 Like, you know when someone's lying to you.

00:23:31.140 You're born with that ability to discern truth from lying.

00:23:34.600 Now, it's unerring, but it's imprecise.

00:23:37.560 In other words, if I feel someone's lying to me, he is.

00:23:40.400 That person's lying.

00:23:41.600 Like, my dogs know.

00:23:42.580 Like, if you show up at my house and you're creepy, my dogs have no idea what you're saying.

00:23:47.640 They don't need to know.

00:23:48.300 They know you're creepy, and they'll snarl at you.

00:23:50.640 And then I know you're creepy because my dogs have already vetted you.

00:23:54.340 All of us, no, and I mean it.

00:23:55.820 And you're not welcome for dinner at that point.

00:23:57.720 I don't know what you did, but it's gross.

00:24:01.540 It's a good test.

00:24:02.500 No, yeah, and I'm not joking at all.

00:24:04.860 Yeah.

00:24:05.140 Sorry, I'm sorry you failed the spaniel test.

00:24:07.220 I'll see you.

00:24:08.540 Good luck, freak.

00:24:09.840 All of us have the very same ability.

00:24:14.520 Our instincts are our most honest guide because your instincts are designed only to help you.

00:24:20.820 They're not trying to sell you anything.

00:24:22.000 They're not trying to get elected to anything.

00:24:24.680 They're not trying to scam you.

00:24:26.020 They're not selling you a timeshare anywhere.

00:24:27.540 They're merely trying to protect you and inform you.

00:24:31.200 And so much of the information that we take in sort of bypasses the five senses that science tell us are the sum total of our intelligence gathering apparatuses.

00:24:41.720 I mean, that's like a total crock.

00:24:42.860 Intuition is not technically a sense because science is like a joke, actually.

00:24:47.580 It doesn't fully describe the human experience or even close to it.

00:24:50.940 It's absurd.

00:24:51.700 It lacks imagination.

00:24:53.840 It's a scam, I would say, obviously.

00:24:57.600 But we have been trained to believe that our senses are somehow less valid than things that we read on Wikipedia, which is totally controlled by the CIA.

00:25:07.360 And the truth is, the opposite is right.

00:25:10.240 If you're listening to someone speak and that person seems deceptive, do not believe that person.

00:25:15.720 Period.

00:25:16.640 Tim Walls comes out, who ran with Kamala Harris.

00:25:19.900 I don't remember Tim Walls.

00:25:20.880 And I saw Tim Walls and I'm like, I don't, you know, I'm not going to indict him.

00:25:26.440 I was like, that guy's a creep.

00:25:28.140 Just flat out.

00:25:29.200 I'm sorry.

00:25:29.980 He is.

00:25:30.920 And I'm not calling the, you know, U.S. attorney trying to get him indicted or anything because I don't have evidence.

00:25:36.640 But I just knew instantly that guy's lying to me.

00:25:40.020 And I think we all sort of know that.

00:25:42.240 You know, you can just tell.

00:25:43.400 And so, like, when the media came out and said, you know, the Nord Stream pipeline got blown up, the biggest natural gas pipeline in the world,

00:25:49.560 which fed the economy of Germany, of Europe, of the EU, our NATO ally.

00:25:54.460 And it got blown up.

00:25:56.040 And they're like, yeah, Putin did it.

00:25:58.280 Putin did it.

00:25:59.100 Really.

00:25:59.440 He blew up his own natural gas pipeline.

00:26:01.300 Why did he do that? 0.72

00:26:02.260 Well, because he's evil. 0.95

00:26:04.060 So you're telling me that Putin is so evil that he attacked himself. 0.79

00:26:09.480 Because he just couldn't, he couldn't help himself. 0.94

00:26:11.900 Like, he ran out of people to stab, so he just started stabbing himself in the face.

00:26:14.920 Is that what you're telling me?

00:26:16.240 That's just the nature of evil.

00:26:18.180 Yeah, that's what we're telling you. 1.00

00:26:19.560 Shut up. 1.00

00:26:19.960 You're lying. 1.00

00:26:21.100 Like, I knew instantly that they were lying.

00:26:23.100 Instantly they were lying.

00:26:24.040 And I, and by the way, I had the privilege of saying so.

00:26:26.580 It was not welcomed by my bosses.

00:26:28.320 I got fired in the end.

00:26:29.580 But, um, but I said, that's a lie.

00:26:31.660 You're lying.

00:26:32.440 Oh, how do you know we're lying?

00:26:33.700 Well, because it doesn't make any sense.

00:26:35.500 And also your lips are moving. 1.00

00:26:36.700 And you're a liar. 1.00

00:26:37.400 And I know that you are. 1.00

00:26:38.360 So shut up. 1.00

00:26:39.480 Oh, you shut up. 1.00

00:26:40.620 But you Putin stooge. 1.00

00:26:41.880 Okay.

00:26:42.640 Thanks, son.

00:26:43.300 You're still lying.

00:26:45.200 And that turned out to be a really good guide.

00:26:47.120 And then, of course, we learned later, we blew up the North Stream Pipeline, obviously.

00:26:51.300 And now we're blaming it on the Ukrainians. 0.91

00:26:52.660 It's not even an interesting conversation.

00:26:54.040 But Putin did not blow up the North Stream Pipeline.

00:26:55.900 We now admit that.

00:26:56.760 It was a lie.

00:26:57.600 It was very clearly a lie.

00:26:59.580 And we're in my old job.

00:27:01.260 Someone said to me, well, how'd you know that?

00:27:02.720 Did you have inside intel?

00:27:04.380 It's like, no.

00:27:05.760 Sitting in my living room in Maine, you know, looking at it on my iPhone.

00:27:09.880 I'm like, that's just BS.

00:27:11.800 And I felt totally empowered.

00:27:13.160 I think what made me different from others was I felt totally empowered to say so.

00:27:18.020 I don't feel any obligation to go along with that.

00:27:20.340 Like, why would I?

00:27:22.360 Don't be intimidated.

00:27:23.380 I guess that's kind of what I'm saying.

00:27:24.460 Don't be intimidated.

00:27:24.940 If something doesn't make sense, say, well, hold on, pal.

00:27:27.840 You know, I don't get what, you know, what is that?

00:27:29.620 It was sort of like, so you become a woman by saying so? 0.61

00:27:34.620 Like, what are the mechanics of that?

00:27:36.140 Does it change your DNA? 1.00

00:27:37.040 Shut up, transphobe. 1.00

00:27:38.140 No, no, no. 1.00

00:27:38.480 Okay, great.

00:27:39.220 But how does that work?

00:27:41.540 Speak slowly so I can understand.

00:27:43.060 Or whatever.

00:27:43.600 It doesn't even matter what the claim is.

00:27:45.180 If it doesn't make sense to you and the person telling you can't explain it, then they're lying about it.

00:27:50.960 Or they don't understand it themselves, which is the same thing.

00:27:54.020 Just don't accept that.

00:27:55.600 And if, by the way, if the whole society refuses to accept that, if the whole society refuses to lie, it's like, just make the decision.

00:28:02.140 You're not going to intimidate me into lying.

00:28:04.460 And in my case, I'm like, I'm an adult, middle-aged man.

00:28:06.960 I pay my taxes.

00:28:07.760 I've got four kids. 1.00

00:28:08.520 Why would I go along with your bullshit? 1.00

00:28:09.920 No, I'm not. 1.00

00:28:11.140 Period.

00:28:11.560 Under no circumstances.

00:28:13.900 And I don't want to fight about it, but I'm not going to go along with it.

00:28:16.840 Oh, the VAX is safe and effective?

00:28:18.080 Okay, well, I'm not taking it.

00:28:18.940 How's that?

00:28:19.600 Why don't you make me?

00:28:22.220 And, you know, how about no?

00:28:23.280 And if you're a father, like, you're in the how about no business.

00:28:26.460 That's your job.

00:28:27.760 I've done a lot of how about no's. 1.00

00:28:29.480 But no one's offended.

00:28:30.540 You're just like, how about no?

00:28:31.680 No, we're not doing that.

00:28:33.540 No, we're not getting some weird dog crossed with a poodle?

00:28:36.160 I don't think so.

00:28:36.640 What?

00:28:38.600 Everyone's getting his hypo.

00:28:39.700 No, how about no?

00:28:41.520 Okay.

00:28:42.740 It, like, works pretty well.

00:28:44.980 And no one needs to take it.

00:28:46.020 I'm sorry, not to attack the poodle mixes or whatever, but I just don't want one, you know?

00:28:51.000 And we've had that conversation quite a bit in my house.

00:28:54.500 No.

00:28:54.920 Okay.

00:28:55.200 And I think you can kind of cheerfully say no to a lot of the demands made on you.

00:29:02.680 And they'll get all hysterical and call you names and just like, no, no.

00:29:07.800 And I think if enough people do that, maybe like, I don't know, 200 million of them, all

00:29:13.280 of a sudden it just stops.

00:29:14.460 People are like, okay, I guess we won't get the Shih Tzu poodle mix.

00:29:20.280 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:29:21.500 Damn, maybe next time. 0.99

00:29:22.680 Yeah, okay, on to the next thing. 0.98

00:29:25.740 So I do hope that the next time there is this very familiar cycle where some story will happen,

00:29:33.580 you know, some guy tries to pass a fake 20 in a convenience store in Minneapolis and then

00:29:37.920 dies of a drug OD outside.

00:29:39.960 And all of a sudden they take that story and tell you that actually it's your fault that

00:29:43.620 he died and we need to completely change the country that your ancestors built.

00:29:48.160 And everyone kind of goes along with it and all the preachers on TV and Nikki Haley and

00:29:51.820 all the people you're supposed to sort of respect are like, yeah, we need a revolution because

00:29:54.520 George Floyd died.

00:29:56.220 I think at this point or, you know, there's some virus comes out of China.

00:29:59.460 It very clearly came from a lab that we funded.

00:30:02.600 And really early we learned that the death rate's like one tiny fraction of what they claim

00:30:06.380 it is and on the basis of that, they're going to give us some drug by force that hasn't been tested.

00:30:12.920 And by the way, you can't sue because the Congress granted the company that makes the drug total

00:30:18.200 immunity from lawsuits.

00:30:20.000 I think more people are going to be like, no, how about no?

00:30:22.840 Like, go ahead and take that if you want.

00:30:24.260 Like, whatever.

00:30:24.720 That's your thing. 1.00

00:30:25.320 You want to go inject yourself with some weird crap? 1.00

00:30:26.880 That's fine. 1.00

00:30:27.640 But I'm not doing that.

00:30:28.800 And I'm just not under any circumstances doing that.

00:30:33.460 And I read the autopsy report and George Floyd, like 100,000 other Americans this year, died

00:30:39.180 of a fentanyl OD and I feel super bad for George Floyd.

00:30:41.320 I'm not, you know, defending his death.

00:30:43.100 I feel sad about his death just as I do about the other 100,000 who died for him.

00:30:46.600 But don't tell me that systemic racism killed George Floyd because it didn't.

00:30:50.760 I'm just not going to accept any more of your lies.

00:30:52.440 I don't care what you call me.

00:30:54.260 I don't care how much you threaten me.

00:30:55.880 I'm not afraid of you at all because I have no reason to be afraid of you because you're 1.00

00:31:00.120 a freaking loser who's never built anything in your life. 0.99

00:31:02.280 So how dare you lecture me? 1.00

00:31:04.200 I'm an adult man.

00:31:05.260 Back off.

00:31:06.780 That's a really good posture.

00:31:08.440 A super helpful.

00:31:09.080 It's a non-belligerent posture.

00:31:11.220 You don't need to get your AR-15, though you should have one, but you don't need to

00:31:14.300 like wave it around and be like, for my cold dead hands.

00:31:17.380 No, maybe it'll get to that, but you don't right now need to do that at all.

00:31:21.220 Just like sort of cheerful.

00:31:22.560 Nope.

00:31:23.420 Nope.

00:31:24.080 Fentanyl OD.

00:31:24.860 Not taking the Vax.

00:31:26.760 You know, sorry.

00:31:28.800 That works.

00:31:29.740 So can I ask you about nurses and people in situations where they were put under pressure

00:31:36.860 or propagandized so much that they had no choice or they would lose their job and single

00:31:41.860 mothers and what do you think is going to happen with these people? 1.00

00:31:47.240 What do you hope to see happen?

00:31:48.780 The ones that I'd love to really have you explain how propaganda works.

00:31:53.000 Well, what's going to happen is, and I have a relative involved in one of these suits

00:31:57.240 who was a commercial airline pilot.

00:31:59.080 He just texted me on the flight out here that there was apparently a resolution of jury in

00:32:02.720 Michigan just awarded a woman fired for not taking the Vax millions of dollars.

00:32:06.460 And I hope that that is a nationwide trend where everyone whose life was destroyed in that fit of lies and hysteria is made whole.

00:32:16.760 I really hope so.

00:32:18.400 And I do hope that Congress can immediately strip the blanket immunity from the vaccine makers.

00:32:25.580 I don't understand that.

00:32:27.080 I've sold products my whole life.

00:32:28.720 I mean, imagine you have a product, you convince politicians to force the population to buy your product.

00:32:36.640 Anyone who complains gets fired and you can't be sued.

00:32:40.940 I'm sorry.

00:32:42.000 And I'm not attacking vaccines, by the way.

00:32:43.680 I'm sure there are fine vaccines.

00:32:45.040 I don't know.

00:32:45.740 I'm not taking any of them, but it's okay if other people do.

00:32:48.760 I'm not mad about people taking vaccines.

00:32:50.480 I'm not mad about vaccines.

00:32:51.740 But that's a scam.

00:32:53.500 And anyone who says it's not a scam can just explain to me how it's not a scam.

00:32:56.380 How is that not a scam?

00:32:57.780 You're not allowed to sue.

00:32:58.740 You can sue anybody for anything in this country.

00:33:00.840 Anything.

00:33:01.280 That's why you don't have playgrounds anymore.

00:33:03.100 Because people made slots.

00:33:04.160 Remember merry-go-rounds?

00:33:05.760 Remember those?

00:33:06.580 Is anyone old enough to remember a merry-go-round?

00:33:07.900 They don't exist.

00:33:08.960 They were awesome.

00:33:10.560 I have like 10 friends who have fewer teeth than they were born with because of merry-go-rounds.

00:33:15.640 But they have stronger spirits.

00:33:17.500 Because they were great.

00:33:19.020 They don't exist anymore.

00:33:20.160 Because the trial bar decided we're going to get rich suing merry-go-round makers and

00:33:24.520 people who are nice enough to build playgrounds.

00:33:27.260 So many good things in American life have been eliminated by the greed of the trial bar.

00:33:32.680 By the way, next time I'm in the Caribbean, go down to the yacht basin, wherever you are,

00:33:36.080 it doesn't matter what island you are, and look at the biggest boats and just ask the

00:33:38.640 boat guys and the matching polo shirts with the yacht names on them, what does the owner

00:33:42.960 of this boat do for a living?

00:33:44.860 And just keep a list of how many of them are trial lawyers.

00:33:48.520 Like a lot.

00:33:49.080 You know, it was the tobacco settlement or asbestos or whatever.

00:33:52.240 It was talcum powder or whatever case they were.

00:33:54.220 And I'm not attacking all lawyers, though I want to, because I do hate them with a passion.

00:34:00.000 But even if I liked lawyers, I would say, how is it that there's this one category that's

00:34:05.240 exempt from the risk that all the rest of us who are involved in any kind of business

00:34:09.400 face every single, I have liability insurance on my house in case the UPS guy slips delivering

00:34:14.040 a package from Amazon. 0.98

00:34:16.020 But somehow Albert Bourla and all the other creepy, creepy billionaires who run these disgusting 0.98

00:34:22.340 pharma companies are in no danger of being sued because their corrupt pals in Congress 0.93

00:34:27.120 in 1986 gave them blanket immunity.

00:34:28.940 Like, let's tear that down immediately.

00:34:31.100 Oh, well, we can't compete.

00:34:32.460 Well, why don't you just make a safer vaccine then?

00:34:34.240 How's that sound?

00:34:35.180 Why don't you face the same risk that every other person who conducts any other kind of

00:34:38.840 commerce or lives in this country faces every single day?

00:34:42.740 Oh, we can't. 1.00

00:34:43.520 Oh, shut up. 1.00

00:34:44.040 Go away. 1.00

00:34:44.500 And so that's the first thing.

00:34:47.160 I don't even know how I got off on that, but I'm so mad about it.

00:34:49.300 It's so crazy.

00:34:50.440 And that no one can say anything about it.

00:34:52.660 And it's like, oh, you're against science.

00:34:53.940 No, I'm not against science at all.

00:34:55.040 I wish we practiced it in this country.

00:34:57.340 I do.

00:34:57.940 I actually believe in science.

00:35:00.000 And if, by the way, if you believe in science, let's see the numbers.

00:35:02.580 Let's see the numbers right now.

00:35:05.220 Do you know what I mean?

00:35:06.480 Social Security has the numbers.

00:35:08.320 We know a lot about who was injured, who took it, who didn't.

00:35:14.500 About the trials that are all sealed.

00:35:16.400 Like, I'll just say this, and I'll stop.

00:35:19.480 If you want to restore honesty to government, if you want to get rid of corruption, there's

00:35:26.700 a very simple way to do that, and it's with transparency.

00:35:30.680 It's allowing people to know what their government is doing with their money in their name.

00:35:35.560 And if you can't know, if somehow you're being prevented from knowing, then you can be

00:35:41.060 absolutely certain that crimes are being committed.

00:35:43.420 Because why else would they be hiding it from you?

00:35:46.940 Why is it that 62 years later, after the President of the United States was murdered, we can't

00:35:53.900 see all the files on that, all the documents on that?

00:35:56.180 Why is it that 23 years after 9-11, files are still classified?

00:36:01.540 Why is that?

00:36:02.860 I had a friend die in 9-11, like probably a lot of people in this room.

00:36:05.280 I was there.

00:36:06.120 Totally changed my life.

00:36:07.100 Why can't I know what exactly happened?

00:36:10.980 Like, why don't you answer that question?

00:36:13.020 It's our government.

00:36:14.480 No federal bureaucrat has the right to tell you that you can't know what your government

00:36:17.960 is doing.

00:36:18.480 Who owns this government?

00:36:19.700 The federal bureaucrat who can't be fired?

00:36:21.620 No, I don't think so.

00:36:22.520 We do.

00:36:22.900 So, if you wind up in a country with over a billion classified federal documents, you're

00:36:30.300 living in an extremely corrupt country.

00:36:32.660 Extremely corrupt.

00:36:34.180 And everyone around the world knows that about the United States.

00:36:36.200 We don't know it.

00:36:37.000 We don't think we live in a corrupt country.

00:36:38.440 We do.

00:36:39.320 And we can fix it super easily.

00:36:41.200 And that's just, let's declassify it.

00:36:42.660 Every 9-11 document should be declassified. 0.98

00:36:44.300 Oh, shut up, conspiracy theorist. 0.96

00:36:45.880 No. 0.99

00:36:46.700 If you want to create conspiracy theories, pull down a curtain of secrecy over what actually

00:36:52.920 happened.

00:36:53.820 Why are you afraid to tell me the whole story?

00:36:56.580 Why are you afraid to tell me the truth?

00:36:58.000 We can resolve this right away.

00:37:00.800 Just let me see the evidence.

00:37:02.700 I have a right.

00:37:03.520 I have a moral right to it.

00:37:05.080 They have no moral right to keep it from us.

00:37:07.040 So, if I have one hope, secretly, for this administration, it's massive declassification.

00:37:13.620 And let's find out what they've been doing.

00:37:15.680 What happened to all the $100 billion we sent to Ukraine?

00:37:17.540 There's been no audit.

00:37:19.040 Oh, they don't want to declassify that?

00:37:20.200 Why?

00:37:20.580 Oh, because it's a scam.

00:37:21.720 That's why.

00:37:22.820 And that's why I'm just so grateful that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who I believe spoke to

00:37:26.940 you earlier, will be a part of this administration.

00:37:29.700 And I think he will be.

00:37:30.620 I think he'll be a cabinet secretary.

00:37:32.020 And I hope that his presence reminds all of us the cost of secrecy.

00:37:37.460 Two members of his family were murdered.

00:37:38.860 We still can't see the documents there.

00:37:40.180 Why is that?

00:37:40.820 And why don't we have full transparency on anything related to public health?

00:37:47.000 What's the actual answer?

00:37:48.360 And the answer is they're lying.

00:37:49.820 And they shouldn't be allowed to lie.

00:37:51.240 So, I hope that changes.

00:37:54.320 So, what about a couple of things?

00:38:00.040 One, Jeffrey Epstein files P. Diddy.

00:38:04.800 What do you think is going to happen with all that now?

00:38:06.360 Well, I'll just, I mean, I should just say at the outset, you know, I lived in D.C.

00:38:12.260 I got to D.C.

00:38:12.900 My dad worked for the federal government, by the way, in a highly classified capacity.

00:38:16.880 So, like, I didn't, and I lived, you know, basically, I got there in high school and I

00:38:20.140 left when I was 50.

00:38:21.020 So, I married, you know, I came up in the system.

00:38:23.740 I marinated in it.

00:38:24.860 I didn't know that there was anything wrong with it.

00:38:26.680 I would have been the last person ever to question the Kennedy assassination or Jeffrey

00:38:30.900 Epstein's clearly a suicide.

00:38:33.520 Like, I just had no idea.

00:38:34.940 Because it's like having an alcoholic spouse and then you get divorced and everyone's like,

00:38:37.980 wow, you know, your husband was a drunk.

00:38:39.540 And you're like, I had no idea.

00:38:40.880 Like, the closer you are to something, the harder it is to see its outlines.

00:38:44.240 And so, when Epstein was, when he died, you know, I knew a lot of people who knew Jeffrey

00:38:52.820 Epstein, like a lot.

00:38:55.360 I never met Jeffrey Epstein, thank God.

00:38:57.880 But I certainly knew a lot of people who knew him and like a lot, like more than 10.

00:39:02.520 And so, Jeffrey Epstein was not considered like some far out sinister figure in the world

00:39:06.940 that I lived in.

00:39:07.660 I mean, I'm just being totally honest about this.

00:39:09.120 He was like this kind of interesting guy who had, you know, had this kind of rotating

00:39:14.320 salon at his house off Fifth Avenue in New York.

00:39:17.060 And there was always the Israeli prime minister and former presidents and like just interesting

00:39:20.760 people, you know.

00:39:22.220 And I did not understand what that was about at all.

00:39:25.480 And so, when he died, I was like, oh, poor guy killed himself in prison.

00:39:28.140 And then I got a call from his brother, just randomly.

00:39:32.880 And his brother said, you know, he did not commit suicide.

00:39:36.020 And that, I was really shocked by that. 0.84

00:39:38.020 And I thought, maybe his brother's crazy.

00:39:40.080 So, this set off a multi-year journey for me that really changed my views about a lot

00:39:46.100 of different things.

00:39:46.720 And the bottom line is, Jeffrey Epstein was murdered.

00:39:49.020 And not only murdered, but he was murdered in the most secure federal lockup in midtown Manhattan

00:39:55.020 in the country.

00:39:56.720 Okay, not just in federal lockup, but in the most secure part of federal lockup.

00:40:00.920 So, how did that happen?

00:40:01.660 Well, he was clearly murdered by another inmate.

00:40:04.640 You can't get any answers to who the other eight inmates on his block were.

00:40:09.560 There was no investigation into his death.

00:40:11.400 They've never released it.

00:40:12.620 And the attorney general at the time, Attorney General Barr, clearly knew that this happened.

00:40:17.520 And I've said that in public, and he's attacked me for saying that.

00:40:20.500 But it's just a fact.

00:40:21.480 He lied about it.

00:40:22.780 And so, what is that?

00:40:24.120 What is that?

00:40:24.680 Think about that for a minute.

00:40:25.580 And I don't know the, I mean, there's a lot I don't know.

00:40:28.680 I don't pretend to, I don't pretend to understand really anything.

00:40:31.340 I don't understand anything.

00:40:32.620 But I know lying when I see it.

00:40:34.340 And they're lying about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:40:35.580 And if they're not, where's the investigation?

00:40:37.780 And there hasn't been one.

00:40:39.020 And so, that's pretty heavy duty.

00:40:40.300 Where are the tapes?

00:40:41.020 Where are the Epstein tapes?

00:40:41.840 You know, it was so funny.

00:40:44.860 They released a tape, a guy I know actually released a tape of Jeffrey Epstein talking about Donald Trump and saying, we were friends once and I don't like Trump.

00:40:53.800 And okay, this was like the October surprise was to derail Trump.

00:40:57.140 And everyone was like, how can you do that?

00:40:58.560 And I thought, I'm so glad they're doing that.

00:41:00.340 So, let's talk about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:41:02.540 Like, where are the videotapes from his home in New Mexico, from his Caribbean island, from his place on Fifth Avenue?

00:41:09.240 There are all these videotapes now, you know, in federal hands.

00:41:12.160 Why can't we see those?

00:41:14.800 And we can't see them, of course, because there's like a massive blackmail operation run by various intel agencies designed to put famous people under the control of governments.

00:41:23.320 I mean, of course, that's what it was, obviously.

00:41:25.960 And everyone knows that.

00:41:26.780 But no one can say anything about it.

00:41:28.680 And as a friend of mine said, we were talking about this one night, and he goes, you know, I'm kind of, if you think about it, like, if you're able to kill somebody in the secure block,

00:41:38.760 in federal lockup in Manhattan and get away with it, probably not someone you want to dick around with.

00:41:45.360 Like, that's a powerful force, and that's a fair point.

00:41:47.780 But it's still worth saying out loud, because it's worth living in a transparent, honest country.

00:41:55.260 It's bad to have rot like that.

00:41:56.980 It's bad to have crimes like that committed in front of our faces.

00:42:00.200 We can't do anything about it.

00:42:01.160 It makes everyone feel impotent.

00:42:02.680 It makes everyone paranoid.

00:42:04.240 It makes everyone feel like nothing's on the level.

00:42:05.900 We wind up with a society where no one believes anything.

00:42:09.520 And I feel like that's where we are.

00:42:10.460 The number of people I know who are like, wow, I've become a really deranged conspiracy theorist who doesn't believe in the moon landing.

00:42:15.660 I must know 100 people who've said that to me in the last two years.

00:42:18.760 And trust me, if you don't feel that way, you're just not admitting it.

00:42:22.540 Because you do feel that way if you're paying attention.

00:42:25.160 And that's a bad way to feel.

00:42:26.920 I don't think, you don't want a country like that.

00:42:28.780 You want a country where things are pretty much what they seem to be, where people are honest, they're straightforward.

00:42:32.840 When they make a terrible mistake, they admit it.

00:42:36.020 You want a country that is like the family that you have or want to have, where people are just direct with each other and kind to each other.

00:42:42.940 And not everything is some crazy multi-layered deception designed to, you know, screw you or kill Jeffrey Epstein.

00:42:49.280 Like, that's so dark. 0.73

00:42:50.680 Let's not have that anymore.

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00:43:27.700 So if you're busy on the road headed to kids sports, there is always time to pray and reflect alone or as a family.

00:43:33.500 But it's hard to be organized about it.

00:43:36.340 Building a foundation of prayer is going to be absolutely critical as we head into November.

00:43:40.260 Praying that God's will is done in this country and that peace and healing come to us here in the United States and around the world.

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00:43:59.280 There's a reason.

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00:44:26.260 Last follow-up on that is celebrities don't appear to be as influential for presidential elections as I think they thought they were.

00:44:50.520 Well, I think the whole point of the ditty parties was to get people to endorse Kamala.

00:44:53.860 No, there's a lot of, there is a lot. 0.55

00:44:57.820 This is something that I never perceived at all when I lived in Washington and I thought it was like a dumb conspiracy theory.

00:45:04.040 Even though I worked in the kind of crypto entertainment business, I know a lot of people in the entertainment business, of course, because I worked in television.

00:45:12.340 And I know a lot of people at the intel agencies and in politics because that's what I did.

00:45:16.300 And you would hear people once in a while say, well, they're all controlled.

00:45:21.920 You know, there are files on that person. 0.99

00:45:23.540 And I was like, oh, you sound like a freaking wacko. 1.00

00:45:25.740 What are you going to say? 0.98

00:45:26.320 Like fluoride in the water is bad?

00:45:30.660 Turns out fluoride in the water is bad.

00:45:33.400 It's crazy.

00:45:34.420 Anyway.

00:45:34.620 But that's actually true.

00:45:38.860 It's true.

00:45:39.640 And I'm not guessing that it's true.

00:45:41.360 I know some of the people involved.

00:45:43.300 Like if you're on the House, you know, intel committee, the committee in the Congress that oversees the intel agencies.

00:45:51.540 Okay.

00:45:51.720 It's your job to make sure the CIA is not doing anything crazy like interfering in American politics or murdering the wrong people or, you know, getting rich.

00:45:59.520 It's not allowed to get rich if you're a federal employee.

00:46:01.720 Okay.

00:46:03.600 And if it's your job to make sure that like the CIA is not colluding with the Mexican drug cartels, which they are, but you are almost certainly controlled by those agencies.

00:46:14.640 Like they're spying on you.

00:46:15.860 Then I'm not guessing on that.

00:46:17.160 I mean, because I know one of the people who ran that agency is being spied on.

00:46:19.720 He told me he's being spied on.

00:46:21.140 And some of it's come out.

00:46:22.300 Like that's not acceptable at all.

00:46:24.640 And I think it's very clear that the same thing happens to cultural influencers.

00:46:29.440 And why wouldn't it?

00:46:30.340 Right.

00:46:30.780 That there are a lot of people in the entertainment business, but in the cultural business more broadly, certainly in the news business, who are controlled by other forces.

00:46:42.340 Like obviously.

00:46:43.060 How many of them look independent?

00:46:44.600 How many of them look kind of shifty and afraid?

00:46:46.620 You look at Jimmy Kimmel and like, I don't know what's going on there, but like that guy clearly is nervous.

00:46:51.440 Super nervous.

00:46:52.240 And I don't know why he's nervous, but every time I see Jimmy Kimmel, I used to kind of like Jimmy Kimmel.

00:46:57.820 I'm like, wow, man, he's worried about something.

00:47:00.840 And I feel that way about a lot of them.

00:47:03.240 And so, you know, I don't know that we'll ever get all the details on Diddy.

00:47:07.580 I don't know Diddy.

00:47:09.520 Never met Diddy.

00:47:11.120 Kind of glad.

00:47:11.640 Never been to one of his famous parties.

00:47:13.720 But I know a lot of people who have.

00:47:16.580 And, you know, I don't know exactly what that was about, but I know it is not uncommon at all.

00:47:21.420 And I, at least one entertainer I know personally was controlled.

00:47:26.020 That whole thing is real.

00:47:27.420 That's absolutely real.

00:47:28.300 Why wouldn't it be real?

00:47:29.060 Why wouldn't it be real to lean on somebody to reinforce a narrative for the purpose of maintaining power?

00:47:38.280 I mean, a lot's at stake.

00:47:39.640 You know, running the world?

00:47:41.080 There's a lot of power, a lot of money.

00:47:43.140 Don't delude yourself.

00:47:45.060 Like, people will go to extreme lengths.

00:47:48.040 Why wouldn't they?

00:47:48.920 I mean, people risk life in prison to rob a liquor store for 800 bucks.

00:47:53.280 So, you know, there's some context for you.

00:47:56.120 So, this guy's sitting here with, see, Babs in the orange and Dan in blue.

00:48:01.660 That's Dan and Babs.

00:48:03.200 They run an organization called Strategic Coach, very high-level coaching group.

00:48:07.380 And he has this, what he calls a DOS conversation.

00:48:11.480 And it's dangers, opportunities, and strengths.

00:48:15.880 And you're consuming nicotine right now?

00:48:18.600 What the hell is going on?

00:48:19.400 Yes, I am. 0.70

00:48:20.440 Okay.

00:48:21.860 This is part of the Make America Healthy plan.

00:48:24.980 It is, actually.

00:48:26.200 Now, I've already said so many crackpot things that I don't want to totally discredit myself.

00:48:30.380 But I think there are, yeah, if you, you know, take the tobacco and the tar and separate it from the nicotine, you know, it's something.

00:48:41.700 I don't think I'm allowed to make medical claims about nicotine.

00:48:44.180 I think we have a whole agency designed to prevent people from saying what they think is true.

00:48:49.320 But it's a choice that I'm happy to make.

00:48:54.080 Yeah.

00:48:54.260 Yeah, for sure.

00:48:55.100 We'll come back to that, maybe.

00:48:56.780 So, dangers, opportunities, and strengths.

00:48:59.420 So, what do you think is the biggest danger or dangers that we're facing right now as a country, the biggest opportunity, and the greatest strengths that we have?

00:49:11.500 The biggest danger is war with Iran. 0.91

00:49:13.720 I'm just telling you, that's the biggest danger.

00:49:15.400 There are a lot of people who want it.

00:49:18.280 There's a lot of money that's been applied to the political system to make sure we get it.

00:49:24.520 It's a disaster for America.

00:49:26.100 It's not a defense of Iran, by the way.

00:49:27.820 Every time I say this, it's like, you're working for Putin, one.

00:49:30.200 I'm not working for the Shiite mullahs. 1.00

00:49:31.660 Just, okay.

00:49:32.720 I'm an Episcopalian, so it's not that I have any affection for Iran.

00:49:37.220 It's, you know, war with Iran would devastate this country. 0.98

00:49:41.400 And there's a real danger that we're going to get one.

00:49:43.720 I'm just saying that.

00:49:44.700 That's a fact.

00:49:45.280 You'll see.

00:49:46.360 So, that's the main danger.

00:49:47.800 There are obviously going to be, there's going to be some economic turmoil.

00:49:50.260 I would have said, you know, a week ago that one of the great dangers is disunity in the country.

00:49:57.360 But I feel like these election results were really unifying.

00:50:00.340 Yeah.

00:50:00.860 So, I'm so thankful about that.

00:50:03.780 I mean, it's just, if you look at them, it's just kind of crazy.

00:50:06.800 I mean, you had Muslims in southeastern Michigan voting overwhelmingly for Trump.

00:50:11.780 You had Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn voting overwhelmingly for Trump.

00:50:15.600 Like, what?

00:50:16.620 It's pretty cool.

00:50:17.280 You had, you know, almost entirely white right-wing North Georgia voting for Trump.

00:50:24.420 You had a lot of black guys in downtown Atlanta voting for Trump.

00:50:28.420 The Amish.

00:50:29.480 You had the Amish voting for Trump. 0.58

00:50:30.840 You had South, you know, Central Florida big sugar plantations.

00:50:34.020 You had the guys who own the ranch.

00:50:35.920 You had the guys working cutting cane, all voting for Trump.

00:50:38.640 So, it's like, there's something, and this, by the way, this is not just true of Trump, but it's like whenever you have an election where the majority votes for something, you have, by definition, a measure of unity that you didn't have before.

00:50:51.760 That's what a mandate is.

00:50:52.840 Most people want this.

00:50:54.520 And that's just a great thing.

00:50:55.820 You know, it means that our, you know, our common goals are stronger and more important than our differences.

00:51:01.900 And it's just so nice to be reminded of that.

00:51:03.700 So, that's our main strength.

00:51:05.360 And going into an economic downturn or whatever is clearly going to happen, you want a unified country.

00:51:12.680 You don't want a country at war with itself getting poorer all of a sudden.

00:51:15.980 I mean, we avoided revolution during the Great Depression.

00:51:19.780 And, you know, which is not a foregone conclusion, by the way, at the time.

00:51:23.560 There are some really radical movements in the United States.

00:51:25.420 But the country held together in a really impressive and amazing way, actually, from 1939 to 1941.

00:51:31.760 And I've been worried about that for a long time.

00:51:33.800 Now I'm not as worried about it.

00:51:35.020 So that's, I would say, our strength and our opportunity is, you know, America has a lot of problems.

00:51:42.780 Those problems have been exacerbated gravely over the last four years.

00:51:46.200 The immigration scheme that the Biden administration instituted opening the borders, letting 15 million strangers come here, totally insane.

00:51:53.980 That's bad.

00:51:56.440 The U.S. dollar is in a much weaker position, thanks to the, like, deranged sanctions on Russia, starting in February of 2022, kicking Russia out of swift, hurt the U.S. dollar more than really anything that's happened since the end of the Second World War.

00:52:09.680 But the opportunity is, compared to what?

00:52:12.400 Compared to what?

00:52:13.860 I mean, the U.S. dollar, while weakened, clearly other countries are hoping to diversify their currencies.

00:52:19.400 It doesn't help them to have the U.S. dollar be the reserve currency.

00:52:22.620 But there's no good option right now.

00:52:25.380 America has a lot of problems, but compared to what?

00:52:27.740 Europe?

00:52:28.960 Seriously?

00:52:30.020 Canada?

00:52:31.420 Australia?

00:52:32.240 I mean, we are still in the best shape of any country that I visit regularly.

00:52:36.760 And that's a massive advantage.

00:52:39.840 And, like, don't forget that.

00:52:40.980 If you can somehow convince Americans that their country is pretty awesome, once again, again, it's an attitudinal question.

00:52:48.640 When people feel self-confident, I mean, this is true in your marriage, it's true in your job, it's true in every sphere of your life.

00:52:54.600 When you feel good about what you're doing, when you feel like you're doing the right thing, you're doing something you can be proud of, you're way more effective.

00:53:00.920 And when you feel rattled and shaken and self-loathing and, you know, like, how many productive hungover Sunday mornings have you had?

00:53:09.740 Like, zero?

00:53:10.800 Because you hate yourself because you did something embarrassing the night before.

00:53:14.000 But when you wake up Monday morning clear-headed, ready to go, and go for a run, and bang it out, you know what I mean? 0.87

00:53:21.240 If you have that attitude, you're going to kill it.

00:53:23.780 And so I do think a lot of America's potential is totally real.

00:53:30.480 It remains untapped.

00:53:31.980 Our energy reserves, I mean, are just crazy compared to the rest of the world's.

00:53:36.760 We just have a lot going for us.

00:53:38.240 And if you can just make Americans feel that we have a lot going for us and that we have nothing to be ashamed of at all, stop telling them it's a systemically racist country. 0.99

00:53:49.760 Shut up. 0.95

00:53:51.320 Stop telling them that, you know, they're bad, which they've told us, like, endlessly. 1.00

00:53:56.360 Just stop with that.

00:53:57.260 We're not bad.

00:53:57.740 We're great.

00:53:59.320 I don't know.

00:54:00.100 It wouldn't take a lot to make this a great country again.

00:54:04.440 I really think that.

00:54:05.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:05.960 Well, I'm going to ask you about that, but first I want to, we'll do some Q&A with the audience here in a little bit.

00:54:14.180 Your alcoholism, you called yourself a functional alcoholism when you were drinking and partying and whatnot.

00:54:21.760 So what did you change?

00:54:23.960 What was the light switch that went off?

00:54:26.240 Well, what I did was I stopped drinking, which I found super helpful.

00:54:31.540 What caused you to stop?

00:54:32.460 I mean, in my case, I was sitting at my desk in my office smoking a Camel.

00:54:40.740 I'll never forget it, which I also quit, unfortunately.

00:54:44.160 Little short ones, flavored with chocolate, delicious, delicious cigarettes.

00:54:47.400 No one's allowed to admit that, but they were amazing.

00:54:51.720 But I was sitting at my desk feeling hungover Sunday morning, having a cigarette, and I just had this voice, which I think was from God, saying, you better quit.

00:55:00.020 My wife was pregnant with our fourth child, and she was 10 days from giving birth, and I just had this voice tell me, you're going to lose everything if you don't stop drinking.

00:55:07.800 And I believed it.

00:55:10.880 You know, who knows why?

00:55:11.560 I mean, I'm just an ordinary person with a slightly above average IQ, not super insightful.

00:55:17.200 Like, I have no idea what that was, but that happened to me, and I followed it, and I did it, and it completely changed my life.

00:55:22.340 And it's hard to talk about sobriety without sounding judgy, or like one of those boorish rehab guys who's always lecturing you on all the steps or whatever.

00:55:31.860 But the truth is, one of the main problems in this country is that everyone's loaded.

00:55:35.600 Everyone's on some kind of drug or drunk.

00:55:38.640 I mean, everyone's on pills.

00:55:39.820 Like, I just, I'm sorry, I don't want to judge anybody else, but, like, everybody is on drugs.

00:55:44.940 It's crazy.

00:55:46.620 Everyone's on SSRIs or that weird, the meth they give you, but they call it Adderall.

00:55:52.340 Like, benzodiazepines, you know, I'm on a flight.

00:55:54.900 I think I'll take some Xanax.

00:55:56.640 What?

00:55:57.860 It's insane.

00:55:59.600 And I just am totally opposed to that.

00:56:02.020 Weed, the number of fights I've gotten into, I used to smoke weed every day.

00:56:05.540 I mean, I was like, I know a lot about weed. 1.00

00:56:07.900 It makes you passive and stupid. 1.00

00:56:09.440 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:56:10.280 People get so mad if you say that. 0.99

00:56:12.040 Oh, shut up. 1.00

00:56:13.420 No, I've smoked more weed than you have. 1.00

00:56:17.060 It makes you into a loser. 1.00

00:56:19.280 Are you joking? 1.00

00:56:20.140 Why don't you just face your life?

00:56:21.140 It's so awesome.

00:56:23.200 And I never say this out loud because people really hate you when you do and feel judged.

00:56:28.940 I'm in no position to judge anybody.

00:56:30.500 I mean, I could blow your mind, actually, if I wanted to.

00:56:32.260 I'm not going to.

00:56:32.920 But I'm saying, like, I know a lot about this subject.

00:56:35.660 So I think I have the authority to say this.

00:56:38.800 It's, like, it's such a thrill to be sober.

00:56:41.080 It's not that hard, actually.

00:56:43.160 And if you're not sober, you're never going to achieve the purpose for which you were created.

00:56:50.020 That's just a fact.

00:56:51.180 You're not.

00:56:52.180 And it makes you weak.

00:56:53.160 It's the last thing I'll say.

00:56:54.020 It makes you weak.

00:56:54.860 Like, the more you party, the more you run away, the weaker you get.

00:57:01.420 The more fearful you become.

00:57:03.120 And the more you just face up to stuff.

00:57:04.720 And I'm not even talking about drugs and alcohol.

00:57:06.540 For men, I'm talking about, like, a grumpy wife. 1.00

00:57:09.020 Like, there's nothing scarier than a pissed-off wife, like, in the world. 1.00

00:57:12.020 And if you run away from that and just go golfing and, like, oh, she's crazy, you know, it doesn't get better.

00:57:19.920 Like, man up and just, like, tell me what's wrong.

00:57:22.840 Just, like, sit through the first three minutes.

00:57:25.000 And then you find out what's wrong, and it gets better.

00:57:28.200 And you get stronger.

00:57:29.380 She respects you for not golfing and for looking right into her eyes and listening to her complaints for a minute.

00:57:35.820 It makes you stronger.

00:57:36.740 And when you run away and when you golf or you get high, it makes you weak.

00:57:40.640 Like, and it's, like, a process.

00:57:44.580 It's, like, the more you tell the truth, the more sober you are, the more you face things that make you afraid, the stronger you get.

00:57:51.880 It's, like, life 101, but nobody feels free to say it.

00:57:56.680 And the last thing I'll say, we should just go full Saudi on the drug thing. 1.00

00:57:59.520 I mean it. 0.95

00:58:00.060 Like, full freaking Saudi. 1.00

00:58:01.560 One of the benefits of traveling a lot is you go to countries where they just don't put up with it. 0.99

00:58:06.020 We're, like, oh, you're so uncool.

00:58:07.500 Like, you don't allow me to bring a joint to your country. 0.99

00:58:09.640 You know, just cut your hands off if you do that. 0.88

00:58:11.400 Because we're not. 0.91

00:58:12.500 Try to do that in Japan, actually.

00:58:15.060 Try to do that in Japan. 0.61

00:58:16.120 You go to Singapore.

00:58:17.140 You live in Singapore.

00:58:17.980 They drug test you at the airport if you're a Singaporean citizen.

00:58:22.560 And if you fail the drug test, like, if you smoke weed, you go to rehab for six months.

00:58:25.800 They don't tell anyone where you are.

00:58:26.740 You just disappear.

00:58:27.580 You go to rehab.

00:58:28.020 That's a true fact.

00:58:28.660 I just had dinner two nights ago with someone whose friend showed up at the airport in Singapore flying home, got drug tested, got sent to rehab for six months.

00:58:37.700 He was engaged.

00:58:38.960 His fiancée left him and married somebody else.

00:58:41.420 Wow.

00:58:42.980 Hilarious.

00:58:43.640 You know, it's a pretty big deterrent to getting wasted, actually, it turns out.

00:58:47.460 Yeah, that's harsh.

00:58:48.840 Okay.

00:58:49.660 But compared to what?

00:58:50.780 Watching people die of fentanyl ODs on the sidewalk?

00:58:53.480 Have you been to our cities recently?

00:58:55.360 It's totally cruel and inhumane and disgusting and beneath us as a nation to allow people to OD on drugs on the sidewalk.

00:59:02.800 There's no kindness in that at all.

00:59:05.540 It's cruel.

00:59:06.700 You hate people if you allow that.

00:59:08.700 Would you allow your children to do that? 0.99

00:59:10.260 No, you'd chain them to the freaking radiator until they sobered up because you love them. 0.99

00:59:14.060 When you hate people, you let them OD on drugs. 0.98

00:59:16.820 And we're letting the whole country do that.

00:59:18.680 And encouraging them to do drugs.

00:59:20.280 Sending crack pipes to crack addicts.

00:59:23.480 Giving weed to kids.

00:59:25.260 Are you joking?

00:59:26.780 Just lock them up, man.

00:59:28.260 I mean, and I'll be totally blunt.

00:59:30.400 As a former drug user, I'm saying that.

00:59:32.500 And I really mean it from the bottom of my heart.

00:59:34.240 I hope we just get full Saudi on those people. 1.00

00:59:37.660 Including the policymakers who allowed it.

00:59:39.780 Because they've killed so many people. 0.97

00:59:41.560 They deserve to be punished in a very severe way. 0.81

00:59:46.180 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:59:47.300 How's that for unpopular?

00:59:48.480 No, no, no.

00:59:50.500 Bring back the war on drugs, but this time we're not joking.

00:59:53.480 Yeah, well, see, I think the war on drugs was, I believe addiction is a solution to pain.

01:00:02.860 So the drugs, the alcohol, the sex, the gambling, the workaholism, all the pursuits of the dopamine

01:00:09.000 pursuit is because of either one, you're just pursuing this feeling you want, or trauma and things like that.

01:00:17.120 And I have mixed feelings about, like, for instance, there's 25% of the world's prisoners are in the United States.

01:00:26.560 We're the highest incarcerated country in the world, and there's 2.2 million people incarcerated in the U.S., and the majority of people that commit crimes are under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

01:00:40.400 And 40% of people incarcerated are committed to violent crime.

01:00:45.440 The other 60% have not.

01:00:46.900 So a lot of these people are addicts.

01:00:48.980 And so it's, you know, it's one of these things where I take a compassionate approach and, at the same time, Portugal.

01:00:58.260 I'm curious where they're at now, because, like, all I can go off of is really from several years ago.

01:01:05.320 I don't know how well it, you know, they've weathered through the pandemic, and I haven't stayed up to date on it.

01:01:10.840 But what they did is they legalized drugs, but the money they were spending on enforcement went into treatment, and it cut the addiction rate in half.

01:01:19.940 Almost all violent crimes went down, but when you just make...

01:01:24.700 I don't know.

01:01:25.680 I've spent a lot of time in Portugal.

01:01:27.000 I don't think that's an accurate representation.

01:01:29.440 And I would say, you know, I know a number of people, more than two, who got off heroin in jail and who look back on their incarceration as a blessing.

01:01:39.360 I mean, addiction, I mean, I think you have experience with it.

01:01:41.700 I certainly do.

01:01:42.860 They're crazy.

01:01:43.760 You're not in your right mind when you're addicted to something. 1.00

01:01:45.860 You're totally crazy. 1.00

01:01:46.920 You're like a trapped animal. 1.00

01:01:48.220 You'll do anything.

01:01:49.940 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:01:50.980 People like that, you know, our record on drug treatment in the United States is like a joke.

01:01:55.220 It's abysmal.

01:01:56.560 It's just abysmal.

01:01:57.860 It's made a lot of money for the drug treatment centers.

01:02:00.780 Everyone's like, treatment?

01:02:01.600 Well, show me a treatment center with like an over 50% success rate over five years.

01:02:06.700 I've never heard of one.

01:02:07.620 Maybe there is one.

01:02:08.220 I'd love to know.

01:02:08.920 We should replicate it everywhere.

01:02:10.000 The only thing I've ever seen that works is AA, and that's because it's based in like the core truth of life,

01:02:17.440 which is you have to admit that you have no power to solve your problems.

01:02:21.520 And if you don't, then you're just lying to yourself.

01:02:26.480 So I think that works.

01:02:27.580 But, you know, whatever, opinions differ.

01:02:29.340 But let's just apply science to it.

01:02:31.360 Like where's the treatment center with like an 80% success rate?

01:02:35.440 Where's one with an 18% success rate?

01:02:38.500 I just don't know of any.

01:02:39.780 Yeah, the only ones that really have really great success rates are long-term, you know, six months, a year, two years.

01:02:47.720 Like Vulcan Academy, this individual, they literally have people, mostly, you know, young adults that check in for like two years.

01:02:57.140 And they have an incredible thing, but it's a long time, right?

01:03:00.600 And then I can't remember the name of it, but in Italy, this is one of Bobby Kennedy's favorite models of recovery,

01:03:07.040 where they have these very long-term, put them in nature, put them around different environments, you know, and connect them.

01:03:14.140 That definitely is good.

01:03:15.920 Yeah.

01:03:16.120 But I guess I would also just say I left something out.

01:03:18.320 I'm so mad about the drug thing that I, I'm sorry I endorsed the Saudi drug program, though I meant it. 1.00

01:03:24.920 But I do think we should spend a lot more time on the other side of the question, which is endorsing sobriety.

01:03:30.900 It is so awesome to be clear-eyed and sober as much as it doesn't solve all your problems. 0.99

01:03:36.000 You're still the lumpy loser you were when you were drunk. 0.91

01:03:39.860 But it begins the process of healing your soul. 0.99

01:03:45.860 And there's so much joy in sobriety.

01:03:47.880 No one ever endorses it.

01:03:49.220 Oh, yeah.

01:03:49.880 Everyone's like, oh, life is better when you're loaded.

01:03:52.560 But that's just a lie.

01:03:53.580 It's a full-blown lie.

01:03:54.560 And no one ever calls them on that.

01:03:55.980 And I, I hope, I mean, Trump is sober.

01:03:58.480 Bobby's sober.

01:03:59.480 I've been to meetings with Bobby.

01:04:00.400 And I hope that people now in positions of authority who are on television all the time will just tell their own stories more often and just say, you know, I'm so glad to be sober.

01:04:10.660 It's so great.

01:04:11.800 Because it is.

01:04:13.120 Yeah.

01:04:13.460 Yeah.

01:04:13.860 And I'll tell you, the drugs that, that kill people are legal.

01:04:16.640 And the drugs that save people's lives, like the Ibogaine's and certain plant medicines, are illegal.

01:04:22.300 And so the whole thing is just lopsided.

01:04:24.120 And part of the challenge is, you know, one of the initiatives we have with Genius Recovery is we want to save 20,000 lives a year of the 100,000-plus people that are dying from opiate addictions.

01:04:35.160 And so we're...

01:04:35.940 Well, how many people die of Xanax ODs?

01:04:38.880 I don't know.

01:04:39.300 So that's what I'd like to know.

01:04:40.260 That's a legal product that, like, every woman in America has in her medicine cabinet. 1.00

01:04:44.660 Every kid has it, too.

01:04:46.040 College campuses are...

01:04:46.840 I mean, how many...

01:04:48.100 If you've got kids in college, how many of your kids' friends have to go to treatment to get off benzos?

01:04:54.640 How many people die every year from benzos and alcohol?

01:04:57.640 Many thousands.

01:04:59.200 How many people die from withdrawal from benzos?

01:05:01.980 A lot.

01:05:03.240 And those are legal.

01:05:04.800 And psychiatrists prescribe them without thinking through the consequences.

01:05:09.560 And there's no sanction.

01:05:10.920 And those psychiatrists should be criminally charged, in my opinion.

01:05:13.500 That's crazy.

01:05:14.380 The Sacklers paid a billion-dollar fine for sending, you know, opioids throughout Appalachia.

01:05:19.400 But psychiatrists who hand out benzos, which are deadly and physically addictive, we're just like, oh, no, that's medicine.

01:05:27.060 That's not medicine.

01:05:28.680 It's totally wrong.

01:05:30.540 And at some point, like, we need to call out people on the individual level.

01:05:33.920 If you are a psychiatrist who's handing Adderall to children and benzos to their moms without any thought to the addiction and suffering and brain damage that results from those drugs,

01:05:46.180 then you should lose your medical license at least.

01:05:50.200 Yeah.

01:05:50.980 Absolutely.

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01:07:26.360 So looking back, being a father, what is the greatest lesson that has taught you?

01:07:47.380 Because you have four daughters.

01:07:49.340 I have three daughters and a son.

01:07:51.120 Oh, I thought you have four daughters.

01:07:52.280 Sorry.

01:07:52.340 No, three is a lot, I will say.

01:07:54.940 I think you might, yeah.

01:07:55.880 They're like a union, you know, you have to negotiate with them.

01:07:59.700 No, they're awesome.

01:08:02.140 I mean, the biggest lesson of having kids is everything flows from your marriage.

01:08:07.040 And when you have a happy marriage, you know, your children are happy.

01:08:10.900 Marriage is the core of a family.

01:08:13.880 And I do think people spend way too much time going to their kids' sporting events

01:08:18.180 and not enough time with their spouses.

01:08:20.180 I think they spend too much time with their kids and not enough with their spouses.

01:08:23.280 And if you want to make your children happy, have a happy marriage.

01:08:26.680 And if you want to have a happy marriage, spend time with your spouse.

01:08:28.940 Don't golf.

01:08:29.800 Listen.

01:08:30.940 And so that's been the main takeaway for me.

01:08:34.200 And there is a period, and my kids are grown.

01:08:36.140 My oldest is 30, but amazingly.

01:08:38.820 But there's a period in parenthood that everyone in this room with those kids is familiar with

01:08:43.680 where it's just so chaotic, like there's just so much going on, so many demands from the children.

01:08:49.420 You never have time to talk to the person with whom you created the children.

01:08:53.200 And you're really at risk of wrecking your marriage during those years, I think.

01:08:56.660 I mean, you're really like an actual risk.

01:08:58.240 And not just in the obvious sleeping with your assistant, though that's a thing too.

01:09:02.060 But just in a much more insidious and common way where you just sort of end up hating each other

01:09:08.020 because you never talk.

01:09:09.840 And if there's one thing, I mean, I'm hardly like a marriage counselor.

01:09:12.580 I'm just some douchey journalist.

01:09:14.100 But just having lived it, I would say, if there's one thing I would encourage people with kids to do,

01:09:18.900 it's ignore the kids in favor of the spouse once in a while.

01:09:22.220 And go out to dinner.

01:09:23.680 Like, make yourself do that every week.

01:09:25.460 If you want your children to be happy, then what's the measure of their happiness?

01:09:29.000 Well, the measure of their happiness is their willingness to, like, come home.

01:09:33.180 Is there love for each other?

01:09:35.140 You know, if you wind up in a situation where your kids really love each other

01:09:38.820 and are close with each other, you've done a good job as a parent.

01:09:40.980 Like, that's the clearest measure, in my opinion.

01:09:43.780 And that's really the dream of every parent.

01:09:45.980 In every parent's heart is the hope that what he or she will leave behind is kids who love each other.

01:09:51.580 And if you want that, love your spouse.

01:09:54.180 Because that gives kids the core, the stability, the anchor.

01:09:57.840 The kids want to know that everything's okay.

01:10:01.200 And that tells them that everything's okay.

01:10:03.380 Yeah, that's great.

01:10:04.260 That's great.

01:10:04.700 So you seem to, you deal with incredibly serious issues.

01:10:10.320 I mean, you're quite an influential person.

01:10:12.360 You've got, I think it always goes back and forth between you and Joe Rogan,

01:10:16.280 who has the biggest podcast.

01:10:17.560 Or is it, I don't know if this is worldwide.

01:10:19.340 Rogan created the genre, Rogan created, I talked to Rogan today, actually.

01:10:23.880 Amazing guy.

01:10:24.520 But I just want to say one word about Rogan.

01:10:27.220 I've been in the media, as I said, my whole life.

01:10:29.060 Rogan was like a sitcom actor and a stand-up comedian and like an MMA fighter.

01:10:33.880 Okay, so he starts this thing called a podcast where he talks for like three hours.

01:10:37.360 I'm in television at like a big network. 0.98

01:10:39.620 And I'm looking over at this being like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 0.95

01:10:43.000 You know, no one's going to listen to a three-hour podcast from some MMA fighter. 0.97

01:10:46.760 I know, right.

01:10:49.840 And this guy's not even in our business.

01:10:51.780 Like, what's he doing?

01:10:52.640 He completely changed, not just American media, but American history.

01:10:57.040 He created a whole new, I mean, it would be like this one guy invented the newspaper or television.

01:11:03.540 I mean, that's how big what Rogan did was.

01:11:06.320 And I just will admit freely that I did not see it coming.

01:11:08.580 I did not understand it.

01:11:09.860 I didn't think it would work.

01:11:10.980 And the fact that it did work says something so great and important about Americans, which is they really want to learn.

01:11:17.600 They're not learning in school.

01:11:18.800 They're not learning in the rest of the media. 1.00

01:11:20.540 It's all shallow and dumb and about race and gender. 1.00

01:11:23.420 It's all lying. 0.99

01:11:24.620 And Rogan's just like willing to sit there with interesting people and talk for three hours.

01:11:28.060 That was the most affirming.

01:11:29.620 That is the most reassuring thing I've ever seen in 35 years in media, that that worked.

01:11:35.580 And so I'm just, I'm thrilled by Rogan.

01:11:38.340 And I'm proud to be his friend, and I'm just, I really admire him more than anybody in media by far.

01:11:43.920 Yeah.

01:11:44.320 Well, and I mean, and again, you are one of the most influential people right now in the world in media.

01:11:51.080 And over the last year, I don't think what just happened on Tuesday would have happened without Rogan, without you, without Elon Musk.

01:12:00.960 I mean, there's a series of people, but they are reaching lots of people.

01:12:04.200 But the reason I bring this up, though, is that you seem to be super lighthearted about it at the same time.

01:12:10.220 I see you as a very interesting guy in terms of you deal with very serious issues.

01:12:16.440 I mean, you're interviewing world leaders.

01:12:18.320 You're calling people out that you disagree with.

01:12:20.800 And you're funny about it.

01:12:22.360 You're just, you seem to just really enjoy your life.

01:12:26.040 And really, you just seem to have a real strong center in the midst of it.

01:12:31.040 Well, I'm not, I mean, I don't think I'm in charge of history.

01:12:34.660 I don't, I have a keen understanding of the limits of my foresight and power.

01:12:38.760 I don't think I'm God.

01:12:39.720 I believe in God.

01:12:40.820 And it's not me.

01:12:42.220 So that's like the root of my happiness.

01:12:44.960 I know that everything we do is basically just dogs barking.

01:12:48.780 It will be forgotten.

01:12:49.880 You know, you do your best.

01:12:51.300 But in the end, your name will not be remembered.

01:12:53.200 Your grave will not be visited.

01:12:54.680 You are insignificant in the scope of history, period. 1.00

01:12:57.940 And knowing that, you will die.

01:12:59.800 And knowing that, and I keep that ever present in my mind, lightens it a little bit.

01:13:04.520 It's not up to you to change the world.

01:13:06.680 God's in control, not you.

01:13:08.460 And so all you can do is your best, knowing that you'll probably screw it up at least half the time.

01:13:13.620 Just apologize when you do and keep going.

01:13:16.160 But it sort of lightens the burden a little bit.

01:13:18.200 I see these people in Washington, like, I have to change the world.

01:13:20.940 And it's like, you will at best make it worse. 1.00

01:13:24.820 Like, you're an idiot, actually. 1.00

01:13:27.460 And so am I. 1.00

01:13:28.980 But the difference is I admit it.

01:13:30.640 I know I am.

01:13:31.900 I know I am.

01:13:33.100 And that is such an affirming thing.

01:13:35.480 And also, the other thing I would say is I have dogs.

01:13:38.060 I have a lot of dogs, and they sleep on the bed, and I hunt with them.

01:13:40.420 And I really love them, and so does my wife.

01:13:41.900 And we sit in bed, and we spend at least an hour a day talking about our dogs.

01:13:45.720 Aren't they great?

01:13:46.460 They're so great.

01:13:47.280 And we have these circular conversations that are the same every single day.

01:13:51.520 But despite the fact they're repeated 365 days a year, they are no less enthusiastic and sincere.

01:13:57.720 Like, we really mean it.

01:13:59.360 Like, that dog's amazing.

01:14:00.360 Yeah, that dog's amazing.

01:14:01.260 And we're not embarrassed about it.

01:14:02.780 And it is such a great lesson that the most beautiful and the deepest and the most important things in life take place right in your bedroom, on your bed, right in your life.

01:14:16.600 Like, don't imagine that the only things that are important are taking place on your phone or in some faraway country or in a battlefield or a conference room or at the scale of world economies.

01:14:26.280 No.

01:14:26.440 It's a sleeping dog with her tongue out of her mouth is, like, way more important than anything else that's going on right now.

01:14:34.960 Because it's happening in your bedroom, and that's your dog, and that's your wife. 0.91

01:14:39.500 And there's, like, joy right in front of you, and you should experience that joy every single day.

01:14:45.080 It's like your instincts.

01:14:46.320 Don't ignore them.

01:14:47.380 If you feel something really strongly, it's true. 1.00

01:14:50.160 If you're deriving great joy from something totally stupid like watching your dog snore, that's okay. 0.99

01:14:57.660 Don't anyone tell you otherwise. 1.00

01:14:59.800 Do you know what I mean?

01:15:00.260 I see these people, these political people, are like, no, I need to make the world safe for trans kids.

01:15:05.260 And that's, like, okay, great.

01:15:07.060 But first, like, how about being nice to your own kids and pleasing your own wife and, like, get a dog. 0.98

01:15:13.400 Get some freaking perspective. 0.95

01:15:16.000 Do you know what I mean? 0.95

01:15:16.740 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:18.140 I'm sorry.

01:15:18.500 No, it's awesome, awesome.

01:15:20.160 All right.

01:15:20.760 Can you take a few questions from the audience?

01:15:22.800 Okay, so go up to the mic.

01:15:24.460 We'll go for 24 minutes.

01:15:27.760 Oh, as long as you.

01:15:28.680 Come on now.

01:15:31.820 Just introduce yourself and go right ahead.

01:15:35.160 Thank you.

01:15:35.560 David Asarno, if President Trump, Tucker, asked you to be in his cabinet, would you say yes or no and why?

01:15:44.280 You know, I don't think I'm in danger of that happening. 0.66

01:15:46.720 I mean, because I guess I just proved I'm kind of a lunatic who can't keep his opinions to himself.

01:15:53.820 So probably not the guy you want in your cabinet.

01:15:56.560 You know, can you imagine me in a cabinet meeting?

01:15:57.880 I don't know.

01:15:58.140 I'm saying Epstein was murdered.

01:15:59.460 You know, it's like, I don't think so.

01:16:00.500 No, I don't think anyone's going to ask me to serve in any position like that.

01:16:07.040 I don't think I'm suited for it.

01:16:08.860 You know, one of the things I have disliked all my life and had no respect for are people who get out of their lane.

01:16:14.720 Do what you're good at.

01:16:15.560 Each person is born.

01:16:17.180 Most of your skills are just inborn.

01:16:18.880 Sorry.

01:16:19.300 No one wants to say that.

01:16:19.960 It's just true.

01:16:21.080 I have a lot of kids.

01:16:22.040 I see it in my kids.

01:16:22.700 I'm sure you see it in your kids.

01:16:23.500 It's like that kid is good at one thing.

01:16:25.440 That kid's good at another.

01:16:26.500 The whole point of life is to figure out what the gifts are you were born with that God gave you and hone them and stick with them.

01:16:34.900 Like everyone's like telling kids, well, you should learn to this now.

01:16:36.860 Don't learn to do anything.

01:16:37.720 Take the things that you're naturally good at and become amazing at them.

01:16:40.820 You'll be happy and successful if you do that.

01:16:43.000 And I try to apply that to myself.

01:16:44.560 I like what I do.

01:16:45.320 I think I'm above average at it.

01:16:46.940 I've done fine doing it.

01:16:48.560 So what I'm not a hubris guy.

01:16:51.180 I don't imagine that just because I can do a popular show on the Internet that I could, I don't know, run the Treasury Department.

01:16:57.500 I just don't think that.

01:16:59.440 I'm going to do what I do and I'm going to keep doing it until I drop dead.

01:17:04.520 Period.

01:17:05.880 And the other thing is I just don't like political people.

01:17:09.140 I just don't.

01:17:09.820 I don't believe in – I just don't.

01:17:12.160 I like Trump a lot.

01:17:13.560 I like some people around Trump.

01:17:14.640 But in general, anyone who desperately wants to wield power over other people should not have any power at all.

01:17:21.180 Any person who worships money should be broke.

01:17:23.620 I just don't believe in that.

01:17:24.920 I don't think you should worship power or money.

01:17:26.600 I think you should serve other people.

01:17:28.440 I really believe – I mean that too.

01:17:30.480 And so I don't want to be around people who want a ton of power, you creep.

01:17:34.640 I don't want to be in the same room with them.

01:17:35.900 I don't want to have dinner with them.

01:17:36.900 I just don't like them at all.

01:17:38.140 And if you live in Washington, like you have to spend your – they're like in the next booth at the Palm. 0.94

01:17:44.380 And they're just disgusting to me.

01:17:46.260 So I mean that. 0.80

01:17:47.600 Thank you.

01:17:52.460 Yes.

01:17:53.300 Tucker.

01:17:53.580 First off, I want to say thank you.

01:17:57.540 I've really got into your show in 2017 when you started on – you know, full-time on Fox.

01:18:04.740 It was so eye-opening, so amazing.

01:18:08.760 And I don't think you take enough credit for the effect that you've had over the past four years in waking people up.

01:18:17.220 This – I don't believe we would have had the same results if it wasn't for you, Joe, Elon, people like Joe Polish even, waking people up and making it mainstream.

01:18:30.480 So thank you.

01:18:31.040 I know you've had people at your doors.

01:18:33.620 I know you've been threatened.

01:18:35.540 Your family's been threatened.

01:18:37.860 You're a patriot, brother, and I love you for it.

01:18:40.160 Thank you.

01:18:41.080 Thank you.

01:18:41.720 You kind of shot down my question, but I'm going to vehemently disagree with you.

01:18:49.600 You would be the greatest press secretary in the history of the United States. 0.98

01:18:54.280 Take the freaking job. 0.96

01:18:57.040 Can you imagine – no, I think – I used to say to reporters who worked for me, I would always have the same rule. 0.96

01:19:03.140 I'd always give them the same lecture, and I would say, you can't – you know, you should be passionate about things,

01:19:07.580 but if you – you know, you can't cover your own girlfriend because you love her, so your view of her is totally distorted.

01:19:15.960 I always say to my wife, she's almost 56, I'm like, I think you're just totally hot.

01:19:20.160 Maybe you're not.

01:19:20.680 I have no idea what you look like at this point, but I think you're hot because my view of my wife is so distorted because I like her. 1.00

01:19:26.800 And I think the same is true for hate.

01:19:28.560 If you hate someone, you should not be covering the person because you can't see their humanity.

01:19:33.380 You're just blinded by rage.

01:19:35.160 And I feel that way about the national media.

01:19:36.860 I mean, I really mean it.

01:19:38.560 I dislike them.

01:19:39.700 You know, I know conservatives are always telling you how much they hate the media. 0.84

01:19:42.400 I hate the media.

01:19:43.400 Imagine if you're me, and you spent your whole life with them, and you know them all personally,

01:19:48.160 and you know just how corrupt they are, that they would – and they have – sat there and told lies that put people in prison,

01:19:56.720 separated them from their children.

01:19:58.560 Like, I could not be in a briefing room full of people like that.

01:20:01.200 I would just be spitting hate at them, and I don't want to be hateful.

01:20:04.300 I don't want to be around people I hate, and I really mean it.

01:20:07.280 I would be up there, like, screaming at them, you know what I mean?

01:20:10.920 And saying horrible things to them, like really horrible, personal things.

01:20:15.860 You know what I mean?

01:20:16.880 Because, I mean, I know what they've done, and I would just say it.

01:20:20.180 And I don't – you know, that's not the Christian way, and I don't want to be that guy. 1.00

01:20:23.600 So, no, I can't do that job.

01:20:26.600 Oh, man.

01:20:27.820 Yes?

01:20:29.020 Hi, Tucker.

01:20:29.880 My name is Jessica McNaughton, and I just also want to say thank you so much for your courage, your leadership, your presence.

01:20:42.000 When you were fired, and you pivoted quickly, and you gave a middle finger to that mainstream media, that was amazing.

01:20:52.020 I've recently heard about your spiritual experience being attacked, and earlier today, RFK Jr. alluded to the fact that he believed this larger issue that we're dealing with is a spiritual battle between good and evil.

01:21:14.760 And I was just wondering if you could speak to us a little bit about your perspective in being grounded and speaking truth to power and what it's going to take for all of us to continue to unite, to come together,

01:21:37.980 to put down our differences, and to help those that still might be sleeping to wake up.

01:21:47.560 What do you think we need to do?

01:21:49.840 Well, thank you for your question.

01:21:50.940 I mean, I could go on for hours, so I won't.

01:21:52.800 I'll just pick one part of it and say two things.

01:21:56.120 One, I think our obligation is to tell the truth at all times.

01:22:00.620 Telling the truth is not an excuse to hurt other people. 0.85

01:22:04.960 It's not, you know, oh, you're fat.

01:22:06.480 You know, that's not the kind of truth I'm talking about at all, but I think we should be kind to each other.

01:22:12.620 I think there are all kinds of things we shouldn't say.

01:22:14.760 I don't think we should be banned from saying that.

01:22:16.100 I don't believe in free speech, absolutely, but I think we should restrain ourselves and not be cruel to other people.

01:22:20.940 You know, I violate this all the time, by the way.

01:22:22.560 I already have just in the last hour, but in general, I think we should be kind to each other, but I think we should never lie.

01:22:30.380 I really think we should wake up every morning with a kind of New Year's resolution, I'm not going to lie today.

01:22:37.100 And if I can't tell the truth, I'm not going to speak.

01:22:39.120 Don't let a lie pass your lips.

01:22:40.760 And if we do that, we are transformed inside.

01:22:43.640 That's when we become bulletproof, when we decide to tell the truth, period.

01:22:47.160 And the second thing that I think we should be aware of and awake to is as we watch American politics revealed as not really political at all, it's not really about politics, this is the battle, this is the eternal battle between good and evil.

01:23:01.600 And I'm not, of course, suggesting the Republican Party is good, it certainly isn't, or the Democratic Party is all evil.

01:23:06.180 I'm not saying that, it's not that simple.

01:23:07.560 But clearly, underlying all these issues is the battle that every culture has described, every religion has described, from the beginning of recorded history, which is a spiritual battle in the unseen world, which is as real as the chair I'm sitting in.

01:23:21.720 That's what I've learned.

01:23:22.820 That's a fact, by the way.

01:23:24.680 I did not grow up believing that.

01:23:26.400 I grew up in a totally secular world.

01:23:28.460 But I have learned that through personal experience, that it's absolutely real, 100% real.

01:23:32.820 And that politics are a manifestation of that battle.

01:23:38.760 And I think it's very shocking to people, it's certainly shocking to me, it's like, we can't believe how much evil there is, I can't even believe this.

01:23:44.380 People pushing wars for the sake of killing, it's because they enjoy killing people.

01:23:48.900 That's a fact, I know them.

01:23:49.940 I know Liz Cheney personally, really well.

01:23:52.460 That's what that's about.

01:23:53.960 It's shocking to me.

01:23:55.300 But we should not get lost in that, and feel morose about it.

01:24:00.480 Of course, evil's real.

01:24:01.460 What, do we think it wasn't?

01:24:02.360 You know, come on.

01:24:04.300 What we should remember is that good is also real, and it's among us, it's present.

01:24:08.440 And I see it so clearly.

01:24:09.940 My wife and I had this conversation two nights ago at dinner.

01:24:12.360 It's like, you think of all the relationships that you've lost.

01:24:15.320 Every person in this room has lost relationships in the past five years.

01:24:19.140 This country's been divided on purpose.

01:24:21.240 And that has affected all of us at the level of even our families.

01:24:24.820 But as my wife pointed out, and you can't say this enough,

01:24:27.000 in place of those lost relationships arise new relationships that are rooted in truth,

01:24:32.600 that are so much deeper.

01:24:34.520 They're not shallow at all.

01:24:35.780 They're not acquaintanceships.

01:24:36.840 They're like, almost like relations.

01:24:38.660 Like you, I have conversations with people now,

01:24:40.760 I've only known for four years, that are deeper with conversations I have with people I grew up with.

01:24:44.980 Or people I'm related to.

01:24:46.360 It's insane.

01:24:47.480 We're being compensated for our loss in the form of true unity with people.

01:24:55.360 It is absolutely crazy.

01:24:57.140 And that is a manifestation of the spiritual war that I'm describing.

01:25:01.740 Like, that's the other side of it.

01:25:04.340 And the number of people, and I won't even get into it at great length,

01:25:08.240 but in one sense, the number of people I know who, like me,

01:25:11.080 grew up on the coast in an affluent secular world where, you know,

01:25:15.120 God was at best like an idea, many of them on the left,

01:25:19.180 including Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard and a lot of others,

01:25:22.400 who are all of a sudden, like, coming to realize, holy smokes.

01:25:28.380 Like, they weren't kidding about this.

01:25:29.800 Like, there actually is a God, you know.

01:25:32.460 And who are coming to a spiritual awareness,

01:25:35.200 people who never thought they would come to that awareness at all,

01:25:37.820 never even thought about it,

01:25:39.580 who all of a sudden are and are joyful about it.

01:25:44.020 It's crazy.

01:25:45.120 There's something totally real happening.

01:25:47.840 And I should end by saying I'm the last person.

01:25:50.840 Like, I'm not here to represent Christianity.

01:25:52.500 If I'm here to represent Christianity, 0.91

01:25:54.300 Christianity will be discredited 1.00

01:25:55.960 because I have not lived a life worthy of that faith at all. 0.99

01:25:59.880 Pretty mediocre person, obviously.

01:26:02.020 I worked in cable news, please.

01:26:04.180 So it's not about me.

01:26:05.980 It's just something that I have noticed.

01:26:08.340 And it's absolutely thrilling.

01:26:09.860 And there's a deeper unity.

01:26:11.280 You saw it in the election results.

01:26:12.320 Again, in the end, Trump got the votes of faithful Muslims and faithful Jews.

01:26:20.160 What?

01:26:21.600 And it's not even about Trump.

01:26:22.820 It's about this moment is a moment of division,

01:26:25.080 but also it's a moment of unity.

01:26:27.520 And we should be really grateful for that.

01:26:29.640 I am really grateful for that.

01:26:31.300 Thank you.

01:26:36.360 Tucker, thanks for being here.

01:26:37.880 My name's Jill Homan.

01:26:39.120 And really glad that we're talking also about faith.

01:26:41.720 I was a delegate to the Republican National Convention from North Carolina.

01:26:46.900 And so it was on the floor of the convention.

01:26:49.840 And I just want to share,

01:26:50.820 we had a briefing to our delegation from Susie Wiles beforehand.

01:26:55.080 And I don't think the American public truly realizes

01:26:57.680 how close to death President Trump was.

01:27:00.680 And if he gave his traditional speech,

01:27:04.220 he would have been shot.

01:27:06.140 And what they shared is that at the last moment,

01:27:09.140 he had decided to put up a slide about health care

01:27:12.480 that gets very excited about.

01:27:14.520 And he turned his head to point to a slide.

01:27:17.500 And that slide is typically shown at the end of his rally.

01:27:21.440 And this one time,

01:27:22.440 he decided to put it up at the beginning of his rally.

01:27:25.440 And he went and he turned his head to point.

01:27:27.320 And it was at that moment that the bullet passed.

01:27:30.700 And so many of us think it was the hand of God that was there present.

01:27:35.620 But my actual question to you is when you left Fox News,

01:27:40.700 we're having a lot of conversation today about opportunities.

01:27:44.040 And what Jordan Peterson shared was selecting opportunity is also deselecting

01:27:49.760 or selecting opportunities what not to pursue.

01:27:51.920 And it's also what Sam Horn has shared as well.

01:27:54.560 When you left Fox News,

01:27:57.080 you, I'm sure, had many, many opportunities.

01:28:00.360 And what I'm curious about is you're thinking about how to select going forward

01:28:07.080 the opportunity that you did select.

01:28:09.840 And, you know,

01:28:10.980 what sort of rubric or lens did you think about when you deselected

01:28:14.940 or didn't select opportunities in the path you took and didn't take?

01:28:21.020 Well, I would say a couple things.

01:28:21.880 One, I talked to Trump the night he was shot.

01:28:23.360 And I was really struck for a guy who's often been derided as a narcissist.

01:28:30.160 And I understand why people call him that, being honest.

01:28:33.140 But he was not talking about himself.

01:28:34.760 The night he got shot, that night in July, mid-July,

01:28:37.720 he was, at least in my conversation with him,

01:28:39.760 he was talking about the people in the crowd and how proud he was of them.

01:28:42.060 No one was listening.

01:28:42.740 It was just me and him.

01:28:44.120 How proud he was of them for not running.

01:28:46.180 And I thought, wow, that's incredible.

01:28:47.880 I mean, I try not to be a narcissist.

01:28:49.980 It's, you know, it's an uphill battle.

01:28:51.260 For, I would say, for all middle-aged men, particularly for me.

01:28:55.720 But I think if I got shot in the face, I'd be talking about me.

01:28:59.600 And he wasn't.

01:29:00.700 And I just thought, wow, there's something.

01:29:02.640 I do think that changed him.

01:29:04.040 I do.

01:29:04.460 I think that.

01:29:04.960 I've talked to him a lot, and I think it changed him.

01:29:06.720 So there's that.

01:29:07.420 When I got fired, first, I've been fired a lot.

01:29:09.500 So I've been fired enough that I'm always grateful

01:29:12.680 for a little bit of public humiliation.

01:29:14.800 Because I think it's really important, particularly for men,

01:29:17.160 particularly successful men.

01:29:18.380 I think it's important to fail.

01:29:19.780 I'm not just saying that.

01:29:21.500 I mean it.

01:29:21.920 I've lived it.

01:29:22.580 And not just fail in, like, a noble way,

01:29:24.340 but to be a little bit humiliated.

01:29:26.260 Because when you succeed, and I succeeded young,

01:29:29.680 really young in my 20s in television,

01:29:32.260 you just become a horrible person.

01:29:34.040 And you never sort of pause to ask yourself,

01:29:37.080 am I doing the right thing?

01:29:37.940 Because success is self-ratifying.

01:29:40.320 Like, of course I'm doing the right thing.

01:29:41.260 I'm succeeding.

01:29:42.400 Meanwhile, you're rotting inside. 1.00

01:29:43.880 You become, like, a horrible person.

01:29:45.480 And so getting fired, having some big public failure

01:29:49.560 where you can't hide it or blame it on other people,

01:29:52.160 it really forces you to look inside and ask,

01:29:54.600 like, am I doing the right thing?

01:29:56.400 And by the time I got fired from my last job,

01:29:59.760 it, like, took me about less than a minute to be excited.

01:30:02.620 My wife was thrilled.

01:30:03.540 She was so excited I got fired.

01:30:05.120 And as to what to do next, I'm not that guy.

01:30:09.880 I don't, I'm an instinct player completely.

01:30:12.520 I'm not a list maker.

01:30:13.840 I told you that I love dogs.

01:30:15.280 I try to make decisions as a dog would by smell.

01:30:19.140 You often see dogs, like my dogs are bird dogs,

01:30:21.960 and we hunt birds with them.

01:30:23.820 And they don't know where the birds are,

01:30:25.180 so they just run.

01:30:26.380 And they're just like, oh, they're just sniffing the bird,

01:30:28.680 but they're running the whole time.

01:30:29.680 They're not walking looking for the bird.

01:30:31.240 They're charging in, you know, to the spruce

01:30:34.020 looking for the grouse.

01:30:35.400 And I try and live like that.

01:30:36.700 Like, I didn't know what I was going to do next,

01:30:38.360 but I wasn't going to stop moving.

01:30:40.260 I'm going to keep moving.

01:30:41.580 Because I am afraid of entropy.

01:30:43.140 I am afraid of, like, and by this point, you know,

01:30:45.200 I'm in my 50s.

01:30:46.160 My kids are out of college.

01:30:47.260 I paid off my mortgage.

01:30:48.220 Like, I guess I could not work, I guess.

01:30:50.820 I don't have, you know, crazy money aspirations.

01:30:54.500 I was like, no, I'm going to keep working.

01:30:55.780 I'm not exactly sure what I'm going to do,

01:30:56.800 but I'm going to, like, get up every morning

01:30:58.180 and try to do something.

01:30:59.480 And I was really blessed because Elon called me,

01:31:01.820 you know, the day I got fired and said,

01:31:03.520 you should put your stuff on X.

01:31:06.200 We're, you know, we're a free platform.

01:31:08.420 I didn't take any money from him, for the record.

01:31:10.540 But he encouraged me to do that,

01:31:12.360 and I'm just so grateful.

01:31:14.880 You know, he changed my life by saying that.

01:31:17.540 But even if he hadn't said that,

01:31:19.520 I would have done something like that

01:31:20.780 because I just think you should just keep moving

01:31:22.200 and, like, it'll become clear what you should do.

01:31:24.520 But always keep your nose up.

01:31:26.460 Like, just sniff.

01:31:27.860 If it, you know, if it smells bad, don't eat it.

01:31:30.620 You know, if it smells good, eat it.

01:31:32.080 You know, that's kind of how I feel.

01:31:33.360 If you just keep your dog senses honed,

01:31:37.740 you will make the right decision.

01:31:39.900 I really believe, I mean, it's not much of an answer,

01:31:41.400 but that's how I make every decision.

01:31:43.180 That's why I got married at 22.

01:31:44.860 That's why I had too many kids.

01:31:46.020 It's, you know, all the big decisions in my life

01:31:48.220 have all been made on instinct,

01:31:49.960 and that turns out to be the best way to make them.

01:31:53.440 You know, if I'd sat down with a list, like, pros,

01:31:55.120 and I was like, do the pros and cons.

01:31:56.880 Nah.

01:31:58.460 Nah.

01:32:00.280 That doesn't, I'm not putting that in my mouth.

01:32:02.080 You know what I mean?

01:32:04.200 So, that's worked for me.

01:32:05.500 That's all I can say.

01:32:06.480 Thank you.

01:32:07.280 We'll do one more question,

01:32:08.760 since we have time for.

01:32:10.500 So, do you have any tools that you would recommend

01:32:13.960 to help foster understanding

01:32:16.340 with those that might have different perspectives?

01:32:18.800 So, whether that would be empathy,

01:32:20.920 understanding cognitive bias,

01:32:22.480 like in-group, out-group,

01:32:24.100 or, you know, confirmation bias.

01:32:26.680 Anything that you use to help foster understanding?

01:32:31.220 It's so funny.

01:32:32.260 It's like, do you have a camera in my kitchen?

01:32:34.920 Because we were just having this conversation.

01:32:36.480 You know, because, look,

01:32:37.100 we just had an election,

01:32:37.860 and I think I probably have had

01:32:39.840 a very similar experience

01:32:40.660 to a lot of people in this room,

01:32:41.880 which is, I mean, for the first time,

01:32:43.580 I went, I mean, I've been a journalist,

01:32:45.200 so I'm not endorsing candidates,

01:32:46.980 but the Trump thing,

01:32:48.120 after he got shot, I thought to myself,

01:32:50.040 the stakes are kind of big.

01:32:52.100 Like, the country is honestly going off a cliff.

01:32:54.280 I just went all in for Trump.

01:32:55.640 I never thought I would do that.

01:32:57.340 I spoke on his behalf.

01:32:58.920 I spoke at the RNC.

01:33:00.100 I did rallies for him.

01:33:01.020 Like, I was just like, flat out,

01:33:02.280 I'm for Trump.

01:33:03.360 I've never done that before

01:33:04.180 for any candidate, ever.

01:33:05.360 And, of course, you know,

01:33:06.700 not everyone in our world

01:33:08.500 was, like, that impressed by that.

01:33:10.400 And there were some people

01:33:11.360 who were deeply offended

01:33:12.340 because this election wasn't about

01:33:13.860 who's got a better program.

01:33:15.340 It was about, you know,

01:33:16.980 is Trump a Nazi or something?

01:33:18.380 They tried, you know, all this stuff.

01:33:19.320 And people believe the propaganda.

01:33:22.080 So, you know, we had people,

01:33:24.000 not in my immediate family, I will say,

01:33:25.860 but people close to us

01:33:27.280 who were, like, really offended.

01:33:29.100 Like, I can't believe

01:33:30.140 that Tucker's out there 1.00

01:33:31.660 endorsing a Nazi rapist. 1.00

01:33:33.400 And so my wife and I 1.00

01:33:35.440 had a lot of conversations.

01:33:36.540 And there's people we love,

01:33:37.640 you know, for real,

01:33:38.540 who are good people, by the way.

01:33:39.980 Not everyone who disagrees

01:33:40.660 with you is a bad person.

01:33:41.540 Some of them are wonderful people.

01:33:43.280 But they just disagree

01:33:44.320 or they're deluded or whatever.

01:33:46.040 And so how do you handle that?

01:33:47.760 And we talked a lot about it,

01:33:49.220 like, for hours.

01:33:50.780 And my view at the end was,

01:33:52.860 you know, you don't have to win

01:33:53.500 every argument, actually.

01:33:54.920 And sometimes,

01:33:55.840 and I'm a professional debater,

01:33:57.340 so I'm pretty sure

01:33:58.060 I could, like, crush 0.79

01:33:59.200 pretty much anyone in a debate.

01:34:00.960 It's what I do for a living.

01:34:01.780 I spent my whole life

01:34:02.420 debating people.

01:34:03.240 I think I'm good at that.

01:34:04.900 You know, if you're

01:34:05.240 a transmission guy,

01:34:06.100 like, you can fix a transmission.

01:34:07.460 I'm a debate guy.

01:34:08.660 So I thought, well,

01:34:09.420 should I just, like, 0.98

01:34:09.920 crush them and debate 0.98

01:34:10.860 and just, like,

01:34:12.020 muster all the evidence

01:34:13.140 and throw them at them

01:34:13.940 and be like, actually, 0.99

01:34:14.780 Kamala Harris is horrible 0.94

01:34:15.820 and here's why. 0.98

01:34:16.640 I could easily do that.

01:34:17.780 That's what I wanted to do.

01:34:19.540 But then I thought, you know,

01:34:21.200 the only way you really

01:34:22.620 change people's minds

01:34:23.720 is by just loving them.

01:34:25.720 And, like, you just, like, 1.00

01:34:26.840 sit and take the shit 1.00

01:34:27.760 for a minute, actually. 1.00

01:34:28.660 That's kind of what I did.

01:34:29.340 And just sort of try

01:34:31.400 to be as loving

01:34:31.940 as you possibly can be

01:34:32.980 and just, like,

01:34:33.860 if you think that you're

01:34:35.640 on the better side,

01:34:37.820 if you think you have

01:34:38.800 a more humane position

01:34:40.000 on something,

01:34:40.780 live it out in your life.

01:34:42.700 Like, show people love

01:34:44.140 and that wins them over

01:34:45.220 in the end.

01:34:45.800 I don't think

01:34:47.100 in your personal relationships

01:34:48.420 you win that much

01:34:49.500 by didactic,

01:34:52.000 pedantic debate points

01:34:53.760 going all Ben Shapiro on them.

01:34:55.820 I just don't think that works.

01:34:57.980 Or going,

01:34:58.280 I shouldn't say Ben Shapiro,

01:34:58.960 or me, you know,

01:34:59.840 did you know that

01:35:01.340 according to the Department

01:35:02.440 of Agriculture,

01:35:03.220 you know, okay.

01:35:04.220 So, like, teaching by example?

01:35:06.000 I think that.

01:35:06.800 I think that.

01:35:07.840 Also, being happy.

01:35:09.540 I think being happy

01:35:10.640 is a huge marker

01:35:11.540 for something really important.

01:35:13.680 I mean, if there are two sides,

01:35:15.720 right, of a debate

01:35:16.600 and one side seems kind of,

01:35:18.540 you know, grounded and cheerful

01:35:19.900 and has functional relationships

01:35:21.480 and, you know,

01:35:22.520 wives who respect them

01:35:23.500 and kids who love them,

01:35:25.000 they're probably on the right side.

01:35:27.140 And if the other side

01:35:28.060 is, like, living in an apartment,

01:35:30.160 you know,

01:35:31.120 screaming at MSNBC

01:35:32.600 and, you know,

01:35:34.180 compulsively petting their cats,

01:35:35.420 like, maybe they're

01:35:35.820 on the wrong side.

01:35:37.060 No, I'm not being mean.

01:35:38.560 I'm just being serious.

01:35:39.600 Like, the people

01:35:40.700 with the balanced, happy lives

01:35:42.640 are probably on the right path

01:35:44.900 and the super angry people

01:35:46.540 who are calling everybody Hitler

01:35:47.600 are probably on the wrong path.

01:35:49.560 Like, if your program

01:35:50.920 is so effective, 0.82

01:35:51.840 then why are you so miserable? 0.94

01:35:54.000 And why do your kids 0.97

01:35:55.160 have weird piercings

01:35:56.080 and, like, they clearly hate you 0.76

01:35:57.380 and your wife is obviously,

01:35:59.860 you know,

01:36:00.100 has no respect for you at all.

01:36:02.380 You know what I mean?

01:36:03.840 It's not working for you.

01:36:05.180 So that's how I make decisions.

01:36:07.100 I look at the outcomes.

01:36:08.980 I'm not going to do

01:36:09.620 a real estate deal

01:36:10.360 with a homeless person.

01:36:11.320 I'm not going to invest money

01:36:13.440 with a bankrupt person.

01:36:15.000 Probably not going to hire

01:36:16.040 an obese person

01:36:16.800 to be my personal trainer.

01:36:18.220 And I'm not going to vote

01:36:19.360 for the party of unhappy people

01:36:20.620 because, like,

01:36:21.280 that doesn't work, clearly.

01:36:23.220 So if I want to change

01:36:24.900 people's minds,

01:36:26.280 then I want to model

01:36:28.380 what I think success is,

01:36:31.340 which is calm, cheerfulness,

01:36:34.060 which is peace,

01:36:35.540 which is connection

01:36:36.240 between people,

01:36:37.520 which is stable,

01:36:38.940 enduring,

01:36:39.340 longitudinal relationships.

01:36:41.980 You know,

01:36:42.200 that's success to me.

01:36:44.440 And I think by living that openly,

01:36:48.300 like, you change way more minds

01:36:49.920 than by any argument

01:36:51.500 that you can muster.

01:36:52.660 That's what I've concluded

01:36:53.680 after 30 years

01:36:54.360 of making arguments.

01:36:55.020 I thought your Cali Means 0.98

01:37:04.260 and Casey Means interview

01:37:05.600 was amazing.

01:37:06.840 Where's Cali at?

01:37:08.240 Where's Cali?

01:37:08.880 He's around here somewhere.

01:37:10.100 He'll be here tonight.

01:37:11.460 And, I mean,

01:37:12.420 there's a lot of interviews

01:37:13.680 you have done

01:37:14.900 that are just so eye-opening.

01:37:16.540 People can learn so much

01:37:17.820 and get so much perspective

01:37:19.080 and learn what's really going on

01:37:20.640 in all kinds of areas.

01:37:21.680 Jimmy Dore,

01:37:22.440 which I watched recently,

01:37:23.440 was fascinating.

01:37:25.200 What interviews have you done

01:37:26.800 this year

01:37:27.380 that you think would be

01:37:28.300 Well, all the interviews

01:37:29.260 with people I thought

01:37:30.360 I would disagree with.

01:37:32.160 I mean,

01:37:32.340 I lived in Southern California

01:37:33.540 as a child

01:37:34.220 and, you know,

01:37:35.600 all the organic peanut butter moms

01:37:37.460 in my neighborhood

01:37:38.120 I found incredibly annoying.

01:37:40.660 You know what I mean?

01:37:41.540 Saving the whales

01:37:42.600 and furry armpits 0.98

01:37:44.180 and lecturing you

01:37:45.060 about eating white bread

01:37:46.060 and I was like,

01:37:46.680 oh, stop.

01:37:48.180 You know,

01:37:48.480 tell me again

01:37:49.040 about how Woodstock was. 1.00

01:37:50.320 Shut up, hippie. 1.00

01:37:51.680 And as I've gotten older, 1.00

01:37:54.520 I realize actually

01:37:55.500 I love those people.

01:37:58.320 They were right 0.97

01:37:59.300 about everything.

01:38:01.900 And it's just wild

01:38:03.420 to see

01:38:04.240 that a lot of them

01:38:06.140 just wound up

01:38:07.560 in an alliance with them

01:38:08.700 actually.

01:38:09.840 And they were right

01:38:10.440 about all the health stuff.

01:38:11.220 I mean,

01:38:11.320 I smoked until I was 45

01:38:12.520 and I love pizza.

01:38:13.980 So clearly,

01:38:14.880 you're not taking

01:38:15.280 health advice from me.

01:38:16.820 But it doesn't mean

01:38:17.580 that they're wrong.

01:38:18.400 You know?

01:38:19.560 They're right, actually.

01:38:22.040 And so really,

01:38:23.560 the most beautiful

01:38:24.460 and rewarding experience

01:38:25.800 for me for the past

01:38:26.960 four or five years

01:38:28.460 is realizing

01:38:29.740 how much I have

01:38:30.700 in common with people

01:38:31.600 I thought I had

01:38:32.140 nothing in common with,

01:38:33.500 including Bobby

01:38:34.300 and Callie

01:38:35.340 and Jimmy Dore

01:38:37.760 and like,

01:38:38.220 just Naomi Wolf.

01:38:39.920 I mean,

01:38:40.060 just the list goes on.

01:38:41.040 to be surprised

01:38:43.600 in your 50s

01:38:44.500 to learn something new

01:38:45.700 in middle age

01:38:46.420 to realize

01:38:47.580 and cheerfully admit

01:38:48.480 you were wrong

01:38:49.340 and then find out,

01:38:50.960 you know,

01:38:51.480 all the things

01:38:51.960 you were wrong about

01:38:52.720 and accept things

01:38:53.520 that are clearly right.

01:38:54.840 Like,

01:38:55.100 I love that.

01:38:56.360 I mean,

01:38:56.580 maybe some people

01:38:57.300 are embarrassed about it.

01:38:58.100 I see my whole political class

01:38:59.080 that can't admit

01:38:59.520 they're wrong about anything.

01:39:00.320 They're still defending

01:39:01.200 the Iraq war.

01:39:02.740 But I think

01:39:03.640 they're in bondage.

01:39:04.580 They're trapped.

01:39:05.360 They're fearful.

01:39:06.040 They're terrified

01:39:06.640 of admitting they're wrong

01:39:08.200 about anything

01:39:08.760 because then the whole 1.00

01:39:09.940 edifice of bullshit 1.00

01:39:10.960 comes crashing down 1.00

01:39:11.920 and just crushes them 0.74

01:39:12.820 like the Wicked Witch 0.85

01:39:13.420 of the West.

01:39:14.420 How much better is it

01:39:15.600 to live in pure freedom

01:39:16.880 by admitting the truth

01:39:18.280 about everything

01:39:19.060 than you don't have

01:39:19.680 to be afraid at all?

01:39:21.360 You can just be like,

01:39:22.020 I was totally wrong.

01:39:23.820 I got fired from my job.

01:39:25.560 It's like,

01:39:25.900 who cares?

01:39:26.680 You're just like,

01:39:27.540 totally free

01:39:28.440 when you're honest.

01:39:30.420 And so that has just been

01:39:32.300 incredible to me.

01:39:33.680 I've loved it.

01:39:35.340 I love it.

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01:39:37.620 Thank you.

01:39:38.180 You're awesome.

01:39:38.760 Thank you.

01:39:39.440 Thank you.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - November 11, 2024

Tucker Carlson： How Joe Rogan Changed Media Forever, How Propaganda Fools People, & Advice to Trump

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