The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker Carlson on the Israel First Meltdown and the Future of the America First Movement

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00:01:00.180 Pretty much every morning you wake up and open your phone and think to yourself,

00:01:03.980 I wonder if this roiling fight on the right is still ongoing. The fight over who's a Nazi and

00:01:10.180 who's Nazi adjacent and who should be platformed and who should be deplatformed. That fight,

00:01:15.140 the one that has mesmerized X users across the world. What is that fight actually about and how

00:01:20.760 long will it continue? Well, the first thing to know about it is that it didn't start three weeks

00:01:26.220 ago with Nick Fuentes' appearance on a podcast. No, this has been a fight taking place mostly

00:01:32.120 behind the scenes since January, and that tells you a lot about what it's actually about. So here's

00:01:37.960 how it began. Donald Trump inaugurated January 22nd of this year. Almost immediately after, he is

00:01:45.080 visited at the White House by the first head of state to come to Washington, the Prime Minister of

00:01:49.420 Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu. And the visit is not simply a congratulatory visit. They're not actually

00:01:55.520 allies in any sense. Remember that Benjamin Netanyahu is one of the very first to congratulate

00:02:00.100 Joe Biden after the 2020 election. So there's probably not a lot of warmth there, just guessing.

00:02:05.100 No, there was a purpose to the visit and the subsequent visits by the Prime Minister of Israel to

00:02:09.740 Washington. And that was to get American support for regime change war in Iran to overthrow and

00:02:16.160 replace the government of Iran, which the nation of Israel sees as its primary regional threat.

00:02:22.060 Iran has all kinds of very dangerous conventional weapons. The United States spends a lot protecting

00:02:27.120 Israel from those missiles. And Israel is also concerned that at some point, Iran will either

00:02:33.140 make or buy a nuclear weapon, leaving Israel no longer the only nuclear arm nation in the region.

00:02:40.160 So that's what it's actually about. And to be honest, you can see from Israel's point of view,

00:02:43.920 if you're trying to identify long-term serious threats to you, Iran would be at or near the top

00:02:49.740 of the list, especially since Israel has taken out almost all the other threats. So really,

00:02:54.140 it's just Iran. The question is, is it in America's interest to participate in that war? And make no

00:03:01.360 mistake, Israel wouldn't last three days in a war by itself against Iran. In fact, probably not even 24

00:03:06.460 hours. Israel's population centers would be taken out by Iran's conventional weapons. And at that point,

00:03:11.420 the Israeli government could either nuke Iran, starting a chain reaction that you can't really

00:03:17.540 predict once it begins, or allow hundreds of thousands of its own citizens, certainly tens of

00:03:24.120 thousands, to be killed. So Israel could not do it alone, and no honest person suggests or would

00:03:30.480 suggest that it could. It needs the United States. So the question from the American perspective is,

00:03:34.420 is it good for America to get involved in yet another Israel-inspired regime change war in the

00:03:41.180 Middle East? There have been quite a few, most notably Iraq. Is that a good idea? And so that

00:03:47.920 debate began, and it mostly began behind the scenes. It didn't sort of peek out into public

00:03:53.840 view very often, but when it did, the people who wanted the regime change war against Iran,

00:03:59.780 almost, with almost zero exceptions, almost never admitted what they actually wanted, and they

00:04:04.080 certainly never acknowledged what the debate was actually about. It was about one nation's interest

00:04:08.500 versus another nation's interest. Do those interests convene? Are they the same thing, or are they at

00:04:14.060 odds with each other? I can see what would be a good idea for Israel to want this. Is it a good idea

00:04:18.040 for us? That's the debate that never took place. And it didn't take place because almost from the

00:04:23.840 beginning, the people who wanted regime change war with Iran made the debate instead about,

00:04:30.160 why do you hate the Jews? You're a Nazi. And of course, that was never what the debate was about,

00:04:36.900 because Israel, the nation of Israel, the one with the parliament, the Knesset, and the military,

00:04:43.280 the IDF, and lots of people and tech firms, and it's not, by the way, exclusively Jewish,

00:04:49.760 and it isn't actually the same as all Jews in the world at all. And in fact, there are a lot of Jews

00:04:55.960 around the world who have mixed feelings about Israel or certainly don't want a regime change

00:05:00.240 war in Iran. But the people who do want that in the United States, Israel's proxies in the United

00:05:05.360 States, its defenders, its professional defenders in the U.S., immediately made the debate about

00:05:09.620 the Jews. It wasn't the anti-Semites who did that, actually. It was the defenders of Israel in the

00:05:16.780 United States, not all of whom are Jewish, to be clear. They're the ones who made the debate

00:05:21.260 from the first day, why do you hate the Jews? And so for those who were hesitant to get into

00:05:29.340 another regime change war, it's intimidating, because you're happy to have a debate any time

00:05:34.400 of day about what's in the interest of the United States, when should we project military force,

00:05:38.440 what can we learn for the last 25 years, et cetera, et cetera. And you'd probably win that debate,

00:05:42.400 because there's no evidence that any regime change war we've engaged in, in the past couple

00:05:46.940 of generations has helped us. Zero evidence. And everyone kind of knows that, including the President

00:05:50.800 of the United States. But if you make it a debate about why do you hate the Jews, then most people

00:05:55.240 are going to opt out because they don't want to deal with it. Most of them don't hate the Jews,

00:05:59.020 you hope, no evidence that they do. But nobody wants to be tarred as a bigot. And so very few people

00:06:07.380 pushed back, very few. In fact, as far as I know, only two people, me and Charlie Kirk, actually went

00:06:12.900 and spoke directly to the President to make the case that, no, you shouldn't get involved in this war,

00:06:19.000 because its aim is not actually to deny Iran a nuclear weapon. That may be a virtuous goal.

00:06:24.740 But that's not really what this is about. What this is about is luring the United States into yet

00:06:28.980 another regime change war. And if you do that, it's bad for everybody, including you. That's the case

00:06:32.500 that we made. Charlie went to the White House to make that case, and God bless him for doing that.

00:06:37.440 And he was hated for doing that. Hated for doing that. But he did it. Very few other people did.

00:06:43.180 In fact, as far as I know, none. So, of course, in June, the debate ended, and the United States

00:06:50.340 did commit military force to Iran. It bombed Iran and spent billions to protect Israel once again

00:06:56.720 from the inevitable, the predictable conventional response from Iran, et cetera, et cetera. And in

00:07:00.860 the end, thank God, we did not get lured into a regime change war. But the bitterness lingered,

00:07:06.860 and the total unwillingness of the people pushing for that war to state their aims, to be honest

00:07:12.880 about what they wanted, and to defend what they wanted, remained. They understood from the very

00:07:19.020 first day that they could not win that debate. They didn't want that debate. They wanted another

00:07:23.540 debate where they felt they could win or at least cow their opponents into total silence. And that

00:07:28.080 debate was about, quote, the Jews. Anti-Semitism. And again, this is a country that hasn't had a lot of

00:07:34.980 anti-Semitism. Decent people are not anti-Semitic. Christians understand that anti-Semitic behavior

00:07:41.860 or thoughts, attitudes, are unchristian, because Christians are universalist in their thinking.

00:07:49.080 Every person has the capacity to come to God through Jesus, every person, no matter how they

00:07:53.800 were born. And so, of course, no sincere Christian could be an anti-Semite, and no sincere Christian

00:07:59.480 would ever defend anti-Semitism. In fact, he would call it out, as he would, racism or any form

00:08:03.440 of discrimination on the basis of blood. He would call it out immediately. So this was never about

00:08:08.540 anti-Semitism, despite the fact there, of course, are anti-Semites and all kinds of other people in

00:08:12.060 this country. There are 350 million of them. But this debate was not about the Jews or anti-Semitism.

00:08:16.600 It was about when to use military force, and to what extent should you follow the lead of a much

00:08:20.800 smaller nation as you think about your own nation. And for a lot of people, this was enormously

00:08:27.460 frustrating since Donald Trump was elected for the second time last November on a platform that

00:08:32.480 explicitly promised, and this is why he was elected, to help the United States, which is in tough shape

00:08:37.040 and getting worse. And everybody knows that. And all of a sudden, this foreign prime minister shows up

00:08:43.280 and starts hijacking the attention and the money of our country to his ends. And that could be any

00:08:50.460 prime minister, by the way. It happens to have been Benjamin Netanyahu. But conceptually, that's

00:08:57.160 outrageous. And people were justly upset about it. Absolutely, they were upset about it.

00:09:03.200 So where will this go? Well, of course, the people who think the U.S. government should act

00:09:08.200 always and everywhere on behalf of its own citizens, the America First people, those people are going to

00:09:13.380 win the debate. In fact, there's never actually been a real debate. But when people's mind fog clears,

00:09:20.340 and they can think about what just happened, they'll understand that this was never about

00:09:24.500 the Jews or anti-Semitism, much less Hitler, who's been dead for 80 years as of April.

00:09:30.460 No, it was about should the United States act in its own interests or should it subvert its own

00:09:35.840 interests on behalf of a foreign power with a very effective lobby in Washington? That's exactly

00:09:40.100 what the debate is. And the answer is, of course, no. So the America First people are the people who

00:09:46.000 just think the government should serve its own citizens, which, let me remind you, is the only

00:09:50.260 legitimate rationale for representative government. In other words, if the government is not representing

00:09:55.400 its own citizens, if it doesn't care about its own citizens, it's not only off track, it's

00:09:59.580 illegitimate. It has no basis to govern because it's a representative democracy. So you are morally

00:10:07.720 bound, you're legally bound to represent your own people. That's the only purpose of having a

00:10:12.320 government in our country is to represent our people. And if you're not doing that, you're not

00:10:16.860 legitimate. So they will win. And in a year or two, we're going to look back on what we've

00:10:23.780 been watching for the last month or last eight months, and we're going to realize this is

00:10:28.480 exactly like BLM or Me Too. You know, at the core, there may have been a point, but basically

00:10:35.320 it's buffoonery. It is an effort to divert your attention from the real crisis. And we're going

00:10:46.820 to wonder, wait a second, since when did the institutional right conservatives, people who

00:10:52.980 run the think tanks and the dumb little magazines nobody reads, the people who blow Vienna and

00:10:56.780 Fox News, since when did those people become completely committed to identity politics and

00:11:01.980 censorship? Because they are committed to identity politics. That's what this is. It's identity

00:11:06.880 politics. Of course. It's group over nation. Of course. It's another country above our country,

00:11:13.180 a tiny country, an irrelevant country over our country. And people are going to look at that and

00:11:20.780 say, wait a second. We thought, in fact, we voted for you because we thought, that the two things we

00:11:26.920 could be assured you believed were you were against identity politics. You lectured us about woke for

00:11:31.720 like 10 years. You're against woke because you're against identity politics. You're against tribalism.

00:11:36.700 And here you are not only embracing it, but using it as a cudgel to hit people in the face.

00:11:42.060 And maybe even more shocking, we knew for a fact you were against censorship.

00:11:47.400 I mean, isn't that the whole point of the Trump election? We're against censorship. You can't

00:11:51.500 censor people in a free society. You can't have censorship in a democracy. How will you

00:11:55.660 have the information required to vote? Censorship is totally incompatible with Democratic government,

00:12:03.360 period. And it's also, by the way, illegal under the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights. And

00:12:08.140 Republicans just won an election on that platform. And all of a sudden, we learn there's really

00:12:15.280 nobody in the world more excited about censorship than a neocon podcaster or a national review staffer.

00:12:22.060 They just love it. People aren't going to forget that. And in a year or two or five years or

00:12:27.500 whatever, we're going to look back as we do on COVID and the BLM riots and the Me Too movement.

00:12:32.460 And we're going to ask ourselves, how do we fall for another moral panic, another social media driven

00:12:36.900 moral panic? How did everyone go insane all at once denouncing each other and denouncing old friends

00:12:43.580 and but clowning themselves because they're caught up in this moment and they can't see

00:12:47.760 that they're betraying the very principles they claimed like six months ago they would give their

00:12:52.980 lives for? And those people are going to feel shame and many of us will feel contempt for them

00:12:59.020 more than we already do. So that's going to happen. They can't win this debate. It's not actually a

00:13:05.200 debate. It's them name-calling. So that's going to happen, rest assured. But in the meantime,

00:13:12.400 the rest of us have to listen to an awful lot of a man who a year ago was unknown to most Americans,

00:13:18.340 kind of a third tier podcaster, TV host or radio host or whatever, a guy who was a weekend show

00:13:24.940 on a cable channel, a guy called Mark Levin. And for the last month, we've been watching Mark Levin

00:13:29.480 say things that no one in my lifetime has ever said from the right like this. Watch.

00:13:36.220 I don't know where there's Jew hatred from the Marxists, the Islamists, the neo-Nazis,

00:13:43.160 the grifters. I don't know where they're pulling us and pushing us.

00:13:50.700 What do they want to do with American Jews?

00:13:56.580 What do they want to do? Where are they taking this country?

00:13:59.620 They're destroying it.

00:14:08.000 Carlson, Owens, Kelly, Bannon, it is a time for choosing. You pick the good guys or the

00:14:15.100 bad guys. You pick America or you pick the third right. They're not MAGA. They're not

00:14:23.680 conservative. In fact, they're more Marxist, Islamist, America-hating, Jew-hating, thugs

00:14:30.180 than anything else. And let me educate them briefly.

00:14:36.480 The Babylonians couldn't kill the Jews.

00:14:43.020 The Persians couldn't kill the Jews.

00:14:48.800 The Romans couldn't kill the Jews.

00:14:53.680 Hitler couldn't kill the Jews. And by this, I mean,

00:14:57.420 eliminate them.

00:15:00.340 You think your puny little asses

00:15:02.480 are going to be able to do it?

00:15:08.400 Kill the Jews?

00:15:10.780 Your first thought is, wait a second, how do we get to that?

00:15:13.960 No.

00:15:15.120 Just don't want a regime change war against Toronto.

00:15:17.540 By the way, a war in which Jews would die, presumably,

00:15:20.380 both in the U.S. military and the IDF.

00:15:22.120 Like, no, don't want to kill anybody. Actually, that's kind of the point.

00:15:25.500 You want to kill the Jews?

00:15:27.060 So the first thing you notice is like the total inversion

00:15:29.260 of what the argument actually is.

00:15:32.400 It's an argument about

00:15:33.420 to what extent should U.S. military

00:15:35.740 power be used on behalf

00:15:38.020 of another country, not the United States.

00:15:40.260 That's it. That's the debate.

00:15:42.220 And all of a sudden, it becomes the Babylonians,

00:15:44.460 the Nazis, trying to kill the Jews.

00:15:46.420 So, again, it's an inversion.

00:15:50.900 He's accusing his opponents

00:15:52.640 of really what he wants, as always.

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00:18:37.900 The second thing you notice is how totally personal this is.

00:18:42.800 You're members of the Third Reich.

00:18:45.000 You're Nazis.

00:18:46.240 You're evil.

00:18:47.220 You're an Islamist.

00:18:48.200 You hate Jews.

00:18:49.040 You're an anti-Semite.

00:18:49.680 You hate America.

00:18:51.740 Okay.

00:18:53.040 None of, I mean, that's ad hominem.

00:18:55.540 There's no even attempt to address the argument

00:18:59.000 that anyone Mark Levin doesn't agree with is making.

00:19:01.560 Instead, it's just attacking them as people.

00:19:04.940 And the third thing you notice is what animates this,

00:19:07.340 which is hate.

00:19:08.580 Mark Levin is filled with hate, obviously.

00:19:11.100 And hate is one of those words that is thrown around a lot as a weapon.

00:19:14.680 You're filled with hate.

00:19:15.540 That's hate.

00:19:16.140 It's hate speech.

00:19:16.980 Therefore, you can't say it, etc.

00:19:18.780 But that doesn't mean, just because the word itself is used cynically,

00:19:22.840 that the term doesn't describe anything or that hate isn't real.

00:19:25.480 Hate is absolutely real.

00:19:27.380 Hate is absolutely real.

00:19:28.420 And if you listen to enough Mark Levin,

00:19:31.200 you yourself can become hateful.

00:19:35.380 Reacting against it can turn you into what he claims you are.

00:19:39.960 And that's just a fact of human nature.

00:19:43.320 You stick your face right up against this.

00:19:45.180 After a while, you will become hateful.

00:19:47.660 All of us, even people who are committed to not being the way.

00:19:49.800 Happened to me last week.

00:19:51.020 Last week, a week ago tonight.

00:19:53.080 I'm sitting on stage with Megyn Kelly at an event she was doing in New York.

00:19:57.040 And I think Dick Cheney had died that day.

00:19:59.340 And I knew Dick Cheney, obviously.

00:20:00.880 And he had died.

00:20:01.900 And I disagree with Dick Cheney,

00:20:03.700 but I'm not going to criticize a man on the day he dies.

00:20:05.480 I'm just not going to do that because I have reverence for death.

00:20:07.480 But I had a lot of emotion on the topic.

00:20:10.160 And so I said a few nice words about Dick Cheney.

00:20:12.060 He was a great flycaster or whatever.

00:20:13.560 And then I started thinking about his daughter, Liz Cheney,

00:20:15.600 whom I also know and have disliked intensely for quite some time

00:20:20.680 because she slandered me and because I think she is a violence espouser.

00:20:25.820 And I disagree with that.

00:20:26.960 And I have contempt for it.

00:20:28.660 But rather than say that, I just attacked in a vicious way Liz Cheney.

00:20:34.720 And I said something awful about Liz Cheney, actually.

00:20:37.620 Didn't explain why I was mad at Liz Cheney.

00:20:40.040 I just slandered Liz Cheney, basically.

00:20:43.000 And I said that her father would be ashamed of her.

00:20:44.640 And if I had a daughter like that, I'd probably kill myself,

00:20:46.580 which is an awful thing to say.

00:20:48.500 It's kind of hard to believe I said that.

00:20:50.480 But in my mind, I was thinking of all the people I dislike,

00:20:53.520 Liz Cheney would probably be at the top of the list.

00:20:55.400 And so therefore, because I dislike her personally,

00:20:57.740 because I know her personally,

00:20:58.620 and because I so disagree with everything about her political views,

00:21:04.040 I'm the opposite of Liz Cheney.

00:21:06.440 If you were to graph it out, I'd be on one side, Liz Cheney would be on the other.

00:21:09.540 Because we disagree so profoundly,

00:21:12.820 I told myself, clearly I must have told myself,

00:21:15.380 that you can say anything you want about Liz Cheney.

00:21:17.460 She's not really human.

00:21:18.360 You can say anything you want, including something really awful and nasty,

00:21:21.700 like, if I was her dad, I would kill myself.

00:21:23.740 Who thinks like that?

00:21:24.840 Who talks like that?

00:21:25.620 Well, I did.

00:21:27.560 And so I just want to say I'm sorry to Liz Cheney,

00:21:29.060 and I mean that, too.

00:21:30.700 I mean that.

00:21:31.840 I shouldn't have said that.

00:21:32.780 I'm sorry I said that.

00:21:34.580 I will not stop disagreeing with Liz Cheney until she changes her views.

00:21:37.360 I hope that she does.

00:21:39.200 But there is never an excuse to talk about people like that.

00:21:42.280 And that kind of is the trap here.

00:21:45.920 Mark Levin is almost 70 years old.

00:21:48.200 You know, I mean, no one's going to eat the dog food here, okay?

00:21:51.260 That is not a message anyone's going to buy.

00:21:53.680 So the fear is not that Mark Levin will take over American politics.

00:21:58.220 That's not going to happen.

00:22:00.620 The fear is that we become Mark Levin.

00:22:03.340 By staring at Mark Levin too much, we become him.

00:22:07.660 Another way of putting it is the fight is not against Mark Levin

00:22:11.080 and the many Mark Levins out there, the screamers, the slanderers,

00:22:16.160 the impugners of character, the liars.

00:22:18.160 The real fight is within ourselves.

00:22:21.940 The real fight is against our own nature, our own natural inclination to,

00:22:26.240 in the face of Mark Levin, become Mark Levin.

00:22:29.660 And the cost is to us.

00:22:32.360 You hurt yourself.

00:22:34.660 Don't become evil.

00:22:36.480 Because what's the point?

00:22:38.460 What is the point?

00:22:39.240 And the only way to prevent yourself from becoming that person

00:22:44.580 is by admitting that you've acted like that person

00:22:47.960 and apologizing for it sincerely, not in a fake way.

00:22:50.940 Oh, I'm sorry if you didn't like it.

00:22:52.920 No, I'm sorry because that's wrong.

00:22:55.100 And it's exactly what I don't like about someone else.

00:22:57.980 And I don't like it about myself when I do it.

00:22:59.840 And I'm going to try not to do it again.

00:23:00.840 And of course, I will do it.

00:23:01.660 Probably by the end of the show, I'll do it again.

00:23:03.620 Because I'm prone to that.

00:23:04.740 Because I get mad.

00:23:06.420 But we need to say, every single time we do that, no.

00:23:10.440 I'm sorry I did that.

00:23:11.760 And I'll try my best not to do it again.

00:23:14.040 So really, just to keep in mind, as things heat up,

00:23:17.740 don't become the people you despise.

00:23:21.200 Or else, what's the point?

00:23:24.460 We wind up, I mean, the Second World War is that story.

00:23:26.780 We're fighting for freedom, but we're arming Joseph Stalin to do it.

00:23:29.940 Really, we sent more money and airplanes and tanks and jeeps and boots and food

00:23:34.980 to Joseph Stalin, the greatest mass murderer in history,

00:23:39.580 in order to bring what?

00:23:40.880 Freedom to the world?

00:23:42.300 It's not a defense of Hitler, of course.

00:23:44.900 But that's shameful.

00:23:46.000 The Roosevelt administration did that.

00:23:47.760 With a full support of his party.

00:23:50.680 It's like, don't become the thing that you hate.

00:23:52.760 That's it.

00:23:53.220 And if you don't do that, if you allow yourself to get carried away,

00:23:59.200 so mad that you start mimicking the hate that's coming at you,

00:24:03.580 what happens?

00:24:04.840 Well, of course, it flowers into violence.

00:24:08.200 Like, that's inevitable.

00:24:09.560 We're very close to that now.

00:24:10.800 In fact, we're there in some ways.

00:24:13.320 It's happened.

00:24:13.900 We're still talking about a political assassination,

00:24:16.180 a friend's political assassination, on September 10th.

00:24:19.860 Charlie Kirk was murdered because of this.

00:24:21.540 So it can happen.

00:24:23.420 And it will happen unless all of us

00:24:27.020 prevent ourselves from becoming that.

00:24:30.500 By the way, you can't control other people.

00:24:31.720 All you can do is control your own behavior.

00:24:33.320 So if you act like that, apologize for it.

00:24:34.780 I'm going to really try and do that.

00:24:37.000 But we are absolutely moving toward violence.

00:24:39.380 And it should be really clear.

00:24:40.840 That's the other thing, is you don't want to espouse violence

00:24:42.500 because where does it go?

00:24:45.140 It always begets more violence, 100% of the time.

00:24:48.020 September 11th led to millions of deaths in the Middle East.

00:24:55.600 Yeah.

00:24:56.920 October 7th led to Gaza.

00:24:59.720 Like, this all, once the violence begins,

00:25:01.880 you can't predict its course,

00:25:03.480 but you can be fairly certain it will accelerate.

00:25:05.680 And when that happens, all calculations change,

00:25:09.480 and people change.

00:25:11.500 And the feud becomes irresolvable, and more people die.

00:25:14.540 And that could happen in our country.

00:25:15.780 So the only way to stop it

00:25:17.020 is by controlling your own behavior

00:25:20.360 so you yourself don't become evil.

00:25:22.440 So Mark Levin is already there.

00:25:28.680 And we know that because Mark Levin has repeatedly,

00:25:33.660 and he's not the only one, but he's the most blunt,

00:25:36.800 has repeatedly called for just murdering civilians,

00:25:40.400 children in Gaza because they're amalek or whatever.

00:25:44.960 They're stained by blood guilt.

00:25:47.580 Prime Minister of Israel said exactly the same thing.

00:25:50.160 They are guilty by virtue of how they were born.

00:25:54.680 So that, by definition, includes women and children.

00:25:57.580 So Mark Levin is not clever enough

00:25:59.380 to keep the implications of these views to himself,

00:26:01.920 and he said them repeatedly on television

00:26:03.220 just to give you a sense about how Mark Levin feels

00:26:05.320 about human life and the human soul.

00:26:07.680 Watch this.

00:26:08.580 And I'm supposed to, what, shed crocodile tears

00:26:12.440 for what's going to happen to these people?

00:26:15.440 I'm not.

00:26:16.940 Maybe I'm the only one who will voice it, but I'm not.

00:26:20.160 Israel has every right

00:26:26.800 to throw every damn thing it has

00:26:30.740 at barbarians.

00:26:33.740 And if there are innocent people,

00:26:35.580 quote-unquote civilians, who are killed,

00:26:39.300 then maybe they ought to organize

00:26:40.860 to take out the government they elected.

00:26:42.460 Tapper and the others are saying

00:26:44.520 there's two million Palestinians

00:26:46.780 in Gaza.

00:26:50.000 They're not all terrorists.

00:26:51.500 They don't all believe

00:26:52.480 in Hamas.

00:26:54.400 They really have no choice.

00:26:55.240 Let me ask you a question.

00:26:57.100 Is that how we treated the German people

00:26:59.040 when we were fighting the Third Reich?

00:27:02.100 Well, they're not all Nazis.

00:27:04.220 I mean, you've got to fight to win and survive.

00:27:06.980 You can't sit there and figure all that stuff out.

00:27:09.720 Oh, but don't hurt the civilians.

00:27:12.760 Look, we have to defend ourselves.

00:27:15.700 The Israelis have to defend ourselves.

00:27:17.540 The free world has to defend itself.

00:27:21.460 And if there's collateral damage,

00:27:23.860 well, that's too bad.

00:27:26.420 25 years ago in this country,

00:27:29.980 people didn't talk that way.

00:27:31.660 They didn't.

00:27:32.260 It was a different landscape,

00:27:33.820 different expectations.

00:27:35.560 The idea of blood guilt,

00:27:37.360 because that's what he's describing there,

00:27:39.080 you should be killed by virtue

00:27:40.580 of who your parents are,

00:27:42.980 who your grandparents were,

00:27:44.980 by virtue of how you were born.

00:27:46.160 You should be killed.

00:27:46.780 You don't have a right to live.

00:27:48.980 You're guilty because you were born,

00:27:52.560 which, of course, leads to collective punishment

00:27:54.560 and genocide.

00:27:55.240 That's the basis of genocide right there,

00:27:57.080 that attitude.

00:27:57.980 That was considered totally unchristian

00:28:00.740 and un-American because it is.

00:28:03.640 And if someone said something like that on television,

00:28:05.660 I mean, he'd be probably pulled off the air for that.

00:28:08.500 You should kill kids

00:28:09.820 because you don't like their parents?

00:28:12.620 That is their attitude.

00:28:13.660 That's the Israeli government's attitude,

00:28:15.140 well-documented attitude.

00:28:16.900 We're paying for that.

00:28:19.420 And you could say, well, you know,

00:28:21.120 you don't have to hate Israel,

00:28:22.680 but that behavior is not better

00:28:25.100 than Hamas at all.

00:28:26.780 In fact, it's kind of the same, right?

00:28:28.980 Killed civilians.

00:28:29.820 They came in and killed people at a music festival.

00:28:32.040 BB turns out let them in.

00:28:34.100 We found out today in the Knesset.

00:28:35.660 But whatever you think of what happened

00:28:36.860 on October 7th, you know,

00:28:38.180 Israeli civilians were killed.

00:28:39.100 That's terrible.

00:28:39.940 We're against that.

00:28:40.740 We have to be against that,

00:28:41.740 and we're no better than the people we're fighting.

00:28:43.160 Of course.

00:28:43.860 What is the difference between us and them?

00:28:46.060 We're in different groups?

00:28:47.920 That's not a meaningful difference.

00:28:49.180 The difference is we're committed

00:28:50.560 to a set of Western principles,

00:28:52.480 and those principles begin with,

00:28:55.000 we reject blood guilt.

00:28:57.640 And because we do,

00:28:58.580 we reject collective punishment and genocide.

00:29:02.580 A lot of us thought that was a consensus

00:29:04.700 after World War II.

00:29:05.640 That was the lesson of the Nazi regime.

00:29:08.460 Should have been the lesson of the Soviet regime,

00:29:10.500 which, of course, practiced collective punishment

00:29:13.140 and committed genocide against Christians.

00:29:15.200 Most people don't even know that.

00:29:16.680 They did more efficiently than the Nazis did,

00:29:18.220 but all of it is terrible.

00:29:19.720 All of it is awful.

00:29:22.280 And a lot of us thought that was the main lesson

00:29:24.600 that we were supposed to take away from the war.

00:29:26.280 And by the way, that's a great lesson.

00:29:27.540 That's an excellent lesson.

00:29:28.460 We should take that lesson from the Second World War.

00:29:31.420 And then you wake up, and there's Mark Levin,

00:29:33.040 and not just Mark Levin,

00:29:33.980 but our policymakers, our members of Congress.

00:29:37.560 Most of them are not Jewish, by the way.

00:29:39.340 This, like, infected everybody.

00:29:41.140 That's okay?

00:29:41.780 It's not okay.

00:29:42.340 It'll never be okay.

00:29:44.080 It's a shame.

00:29:45.460 It's shameful behavior.

00:29:46.860 It's a stain on this country.

00:29:49.100 You can't fight people

00:29:51.320 unless you think you're morally superior to them.

00:29:55.540 You shouldn't be.

00:29:57.860 And how can you say you're morally superior

00:29:59.600 if you're operating from the same assumption,

00:30:02.180 which is that everyone on the other side

00:30:04.220 should be killed because of how they were born?

00:30:06.440 But that is absolutely Mark Levin's assumption.

00:30:09.920 And he said it out loud.

00:30:11.000 Look at this Twitter exchange.

00:30:12.660 Watch this.

00:30:13.900 She's basically saying,

00:30:15.220 I don't understand, like,

00:30:16.380 why we're getting involved in all this stuff.

00:30:18.240 And Mark Levin is saying,

00:30:19.700 well, you're a Nazi!

00:30:21.260 And someone writes in and says,

00:30:23.080 Mark, I'm not even, you know,

00:30:25.960 I may be on your side or not,

00:30:27.120 but what you're saying is actually creating antisemitism.

00:30:30.080 And he's saying, and I'm quoting,

00:30:31.760 antisemitism is, quote,

00:30:32.880 in your family's DNA.

00:30:35.620 Who thinks that?

00:30:38.060 Who would say something like that?

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00:33:46.720 Guilt or virtue

00:33:49.140 are not in your DNA.

00:33:51.180 We don't believe

00:33:52.080 in a chosen people

00:33:53.320 and we don't believe

00:33:54.740 in a damned people.

00:33:56.860 Period.

00:33:58.100 We don't believe that

00:33:59.500 in the West.

00:34:00.780 We don't believe

00:34:01.240 that some peoples

00:34:02.960 are inherently better

00:34:05.260 or worse

00:34:05.780 than other peoples.

00:34:08.000 We believe in individuals

00:34:09.540 in the capacity

00:34:10.280 of every person

00:34:11.200 to make individual choices

00:34:12.640 and change

00:34:13.420 for the better

00:34:13.840 or the worse.

00:34:14.660 And on that basis,

00:34:15.280 they are judged.

00:34:15.820 But not on how

00:34:17.260 they were born.

00:34:17.840 And if we don't believe that,

00:34:18.840 if we think that

00:34:19.420 some people are just

00:34:20.320 inherently bad

00:34:21.660 because of their DNA,

00:34:23.780 as Mark has said,

00:34:24.580 and a lot of other people

00:34:25.580 like Mark have said,

00:34:28.040 then what's the point

00:34:29.140 of all of this?

00:34:32.660 At that point,

00:34:33.340 it's just like,

00:34:33.760 well, my group

00:34:34.160 has more guns

00:34:34.720 than your group

00:34:35.180 and we're in charge.

00:34:37.100 That attitude

00:34:37.860 gets people killed

00:34:38.800 and it rots your soul.

00:34:41.040 That's why we say

00:34:41.860 anti-Semitism

00:34:42.400 is bad in the first place,

00:34:43.600 isn't it?

00:34:43.980 You can't judge

00:34:44.960 a whole group

00:34:45.560 of people

00:34:46.020 by how they were born,

00:34:47.460 by their genetics,

00:34:48.240 by their DNA.

00:34:49.760 But there's Mark Levin

00:34:50.740 doing it.

00:34:52.280 So it shouldn't surprise you

00:34:53.660 that, of course,

00:34:54.060 if you have those attitudes

00:34:55.020 and you think

00:34:55.620 they're Americans,

00:34:56.600 and he clearly does,

00:34:57.980 whose DNA

00:34:58.860 makes them

00:34:59.760 less than human,

00:35:01.580 unsalvageable,

00:35:02.940 inherently evil,

00:35:04.820 well, it shouldn't surprise you

00:35:06.440 that he'd be calling

00:35:07.240 for violence

00:35:08.060 against them

00:35:08.860 and he is.

00:35:09.960 And this isn't

00:35:12.100 like your kind of classic

00:35:13.080 like, oh, everyone's

00:35:13.860 out to kill me,

00:35:14.660 I'm so important.

00:35:16.300 I despise that.

00:35:18.680 But it's a fact

00:35:19.700 and we know that

00:35:20.360 from what he says.

00:35:22.480 So here's Mark Levin

00:35:23.740 about two weeks,

00:35:24.680 in fact,

00:35:24.880 I think exactly two weeks

00:35:26.020 after Charlie Kirk

00:35:26.740 was assassinated

00:35:27.480 and he was trying

00:35:28.480 to explain

00:35:28.960 how this happened.

00:35:30.300 How did Charlie

00:35:30.820 get killed?

00:35:31.900 Here's what he said.

00:35:32.800 The call to violence,

00:35:34.020 that's what it is.

00:35:35.700 You're calling people Hitler,

00:35:37.140 it's a mass murder.

00:35:37.860 It's a mass murder.

00:35:39.960 If you're treating ICE

00:35:42.380 like it's the Gestapo

00:35:44.060 or the SS,

00:35:45.620 then you're free

00:35:48.180 to shoot them.

00:35:49.240 There you go.

00:35:50.540 You call people Hitler,

00:35:51.520 they get killed, right?

00:35:52.640 You torque up the rhetoric

00:35:54.040 to we've all decided

00:35:55.120 Hitler is the worst,

00:35:56.500 okay, great.

00:35:57.520 Hitler's bad,

00:35:58.300 for sure.

00:36:00.420 So once you call people that,

00:36:02.280 you liken them

00:36:03.120 to the person

00:36:04.060 we collectively agree

00:36:04.980 is the worst person ever,

00:36:06.500 the person we collectively agree

00:36:07.540 if you had a chance

00:36:08.160 to kill baby Hitler,

00:36:09.160 you would.

00:36:10.780 Then why wouldn't you kill

00:36:12.120 the people who were Hitler

00:36:13.040 in your own society?

00:36:13.980 You probably would

00:36:14.780 and you'd feel justified

00:36:15.500 in doing it

00:36:16.060 and that was the point

00:36:16.520 he was making.

00:36:17.880 Fair point.

00:36:19.340 You know,

00:36:19.520 you hope it's not used

00:36:20.280 to censor people.

00:36:21.220 You're allowed to have

00:36:21.980 ugly thoughts.

00:36:22.660 By the way,

00:36:23.060 they're constitutionally protected.

00:36:24.960 But you should be discouraged

00:36:25.920 from it,

00:36:26.380 for sure.

00:36:27.480 And as Mark Levin just said,

00:36:28.560 they lead to violence.

00:36:29.220 Calling people Hitler

00:36:29.900 leads to violence.

00:36:32.260 Wow.

00:36:32.620 Well,

00:36:33.940 since that's his description

00:36:35.780 and his terms,

00:36:37.180 consider this clip

00:36:38.500 about a month later.

00:36:39.440 I would ask

00:36:40.140 some of these people

00:36:43.240 who say,

00:36:44.560 look,

00:36:44.740 I'm going to stand by Tucker.

00:36:46.120 You know,

00:36:46.460 he's just inquisitive.

00:36:47.500 He likes to have

00:36:48.100 these people on

00:36:48.760 and ask them questions.

00:36:49.700 Really?

00:36:52.540 But I'm not going

00:36:53.400 to platform them now.

00:36:56.820 So Tucker is a racist.

00:36:58.060 Is that okay?

00:36:58.780 First of all,

00:37:01.540 how many of you

00:37:02.100 have friends

00:37:02.840 who are racists?

00:37:03.900 Isn't that a fair question,

00:37:04.960 Mr. Producer?

00:37:06.340 How many of you

00:37:07.200 have friends

00:37:08.000 who are racists

00:37:09.160 and are proud of it

00:37:11.160 and talk about it

00:37:12.300 on a national platform?

00:37:14.140 This is what I get now.

00:37:16.280 Will you debate him?

00:37:17.180 Will you debate Tucker Carlson?

00:37:18.400 I don't debate the Klan.

00:37:19.960 I don't debate Nazis.

00:37:21.660 I don't debate Nazis.

00:37:23.720 He texted me that.

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00:39:51.320 Almost didn't want to address this

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00:39:53.880 anything about yourself.

00:39:55.680 It's another way in which

00:39:56.440 you can very easily

00:39:57.160 become Mark Levin,

00:39:58.220 start talking about yourself

00:39:59.020 all the time.

00:39:59.980 Your family,

00:40:00.820 your people,

00:40:02.000 no.

00:40:02.280 If you're interested in

00:40:03.780 improving the country,

00:40:04.420 you should be talking about

00:40:04.960 all people in the country.

00:40:06.180 It's not just about you

00:40:07.080 or your people,

00:40:08.040 whoever they are.

00:40:09.360 It should be about everybody.

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00:40:13.700 just to be clear.

00:40:14.660 It'll break apart,

00:40:15.480 of course,

00:40:16.320 into warring groups.

00:40:19.440 But the basis of racism

00:40:23.480 and anti-Semitism

00:40:24.580 and all forms of bias

00:40:26.380 that we abhor,

00:40:28.180 forms of bias

00:40:28.800 that treat people

00:40:29.500 as members of groups

00:40:30.220 rather than individuals,

00:40:31.060 all emanate from the same idea

00:40:32.780 which is you're born

00:40:33.700 a certain way

00:40:34.460 and you can't be fixed.

00:40:36.040 You have blood guilt.

00:40:38.180 And that's why it's bad

00:40:39.060 to call people Nazis.

00:40:39.920 And here is Mark Levin

00:40:41.220 calling people Nazis.

00:40:42.900 Well, in this case, me.

00:40:43.700 So what is that?

00:40:44.540 Well, that's, of course,

00:40:45.000 a call to violence.

00:40:45.520 And it's not just me.

00:40:46.380 We compiled a list

00:40:47.160 of all,

00:40:48.420 of some of the people

00:40:49.900 on Twitter

00:40:50.760 Mark Levin has referred to,

00:40:52.820 these are all recent,

00:40:55.020 Nazi, Nazi, Nazi bastard.

00:40:57.380 F off, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi.

00:40:59.220 Finally, somebody writes in

00:41:03.400 on Twitter and says,

00:41:04.880 and we're quoting,

00:41:05.920 this is Mark Levin's

00:41:06.720 12th post today

00:41:08.080 that's related to Israel

00:41:09.440 or its critics.

00:41:10.860 I know he's Jewish

00:41:11.480 and sympathy for Israel

00:41:12.500 is understandable,

00:41:13.560 but this now borders

00:41:14.800 on obsession

00:41:15.400 to which Mark Levin responds,

00:41:17.820 Nazi!

00:41:19.860 Nazi!

00:41:22.400 You should pause

00:41:23.620 before you call people

00:41:24.640 names like that.

00:41:25.560 And I should just say,

00:41:26.940 because righteousness

00:41:27.620 is a goal,

00:41:28.280 self-righteousness

00:41:28.920 is a sin.

00:41:30.180 I don't want to be

00:41:30.900 self-righteous.

00:41:31.460 I've certainly called people

00:41:32.200 things they didn't deserve.

00:41:33.460 I've leveled ad hominem

00:41:35.100 attacks on people

00:41:35.900 I did against Liz Cheney.

00:41:36.860 I apologize for it.

00:41:37.520 I meant it.

00:41:38.580 But we shouldn't

00:41:39.720 let ourselves go

00:41:40.560 in this area.

00:41:41.640 We should force ourselves

00:41:42.980 to treat other people

00:41:44.280 like human beings

00:41:45.580 with sincere disagreements

00:41:48.060 or insincere disagreements,

00:41:49.140 but still agreements

00:41:50.360 that we can debate.

00:41:52.800 Because once you start

00:41:53.540 calling people Nazis,

00:41:54.200 we really have no choice

00:41:55.380 but to start shooting them

00:41:56.360 to be Dietrich Bonhoeffer

00:41:58.880 and sort of reach

00:41:59.940 the end of reason

00:42:01.000 or even Christianity.

00:42:02.220 Bonhoeffer decided

00:42:02.960 Christianity is not even,

00:42:04.980 he was a Lutheran pastor.

00:42:06.720 Christianity is not enough.

00:42:07.520 We have to kill the guy.

00:42:09.480 I'm not judging Bonhoeffer,

00:42:10.680 who was a great man

00:42:11.280 in some ways,

00:42:11.920 but that's inevitable

00:42:14.540 once we decide

00:42:15.540 that people are Nazis.

00:42:16.960 Nazis.

00:42:18.300 So,

00:42:19.340 you kind of

00:42:21.320 have to wonder

00:42:24.380 why they're doing this.

00:42:25.780 And of course,

00:42:26.500 it's because when you call

00:42:27.500 someone a Nazi,

00:42:28.300 and maybe in Mark Levin's case

00:42:29.700 he believes it,

00:42:31.060 you immediately

00:42:32.540 freeze them

00:42:33.900 in the headlights

00:42:34.620 of your slur.

00:42:35.780 Nazi?

00:42:36.500 Nazi?

00:42:37.380 You deter people

00:42:38.260 from arguing with you

00:42:39.420 because no one wants

00:42:40.080 to be called a Nazi.

00:42:41.340 But you also,

00:42:42.420 for the bystanders

00:42:43.160 who aren't even

00:42:43.560 directly part of the debate,

00:42:44.540 you draw their attention

00:42:47.260 away from what the debate

00:42:49.320 is actually about.

00:42:50.620 In other words,

00:42:51.340 for every moment

00:42:52.380 that we're arguing

00:42:54.360 about who is

00:42:55.280 and who is not a Nazi,

00:42:56.380 answer really nobody.

00:42:57.320 The Nazis have been gone

00:42:57.960 for 80 years,

00:42:58.660 sorry.

00:43:00.040 But for every moment

00:43:00.780 where they're having

00:43:01.280 that debate,

00:43:01.840 we're not debating

00:43:02.860 the things we ought

00:43:04.180 to be debating.

00:43:05.340 In this case,

00:43:06.560 should we use military force

00:43:07.960 on behalf of a small country,

00:43:09.740 a totally irrelevant country?

00:43:12.420 That's a fair debate.

00:43:13.500 We're not having that debate.

00:43:14.540 We're screaming about

00:43:15.480 who is a Nazi,

00:43:16.940 who's not a Nazi.

00:43:19.080 So I guess the thing

00:43:20.180 that we can learn

00:43:20.820 from Mark Levin

00:43:21.380 in this case

00:43:22.180 is if you have a position,

00:43:27.020 argue that position.

00:43:28.700 Levin doesn't want

00:43:29.400 to argue his position.

00:43:30.300 It's very hard to defend,

00:43:31.240 so he won't defend it.

00:43:32.420 He'll just attack.

00:43:33.800 But the rest of us

00:43:34.840 who have a sincere position

00:43:36.060 about America's relationship

00:43:37.980 with Israel

00:43:38.640 and the damage it has done

00:43:40.900 to the Trump coalition,

00:43:42.320 which it's like,

00:43:43.040 we're watching it be destroyed,

00:43:44.540 very unfortunately.

00:43:46.760 Those people

00:43:47.680 should argue

00:43:48.560 what they believe

00:43:49.640 and not get caught

00:43:50.860 in this trap

00:43:51.820 of identity politics.

00:43:54.320 Who's a Nazi

00:43:54.900 who has a right to speak?

00:43:55.920 Buzz off.

00:43:57.300 No.

00:43:59.220 AIPAC

00:43:59.620 is a foreign lobby.

00:44:00.600 It should register as one.

00:44:01.600 Our country should come first

00:44:04.640 in the thinking

00:44:05.160 of every person

00:44:06.060 who represents our country.

00:44:06.880 Those are the debates

00:44:07.480 that we ought to be having.

00:44:09.380 So the next lesson

00:44:10.320 that we should learn

00:44:10.860 from this

00:44:11.300 country, Tom,

00:44:12.680 is that

00:44:13.760 you can't allow

00:44:16.000 other people

00:44:17.200 to define

00:44:18.060 your priorities.

00:44:20.920 You are an adult.

00:44:22.480 You are an American.

00:44:23.980 You have the right

00:44:24.920 to decide

00:44:25.500 what matters to you.

00:44:26.580 if you're having

00:44:28.560 trouble paying

00:44:29.260 your health insurance

00:44:30.340 or if you think

00:44:31.760 divorce laws

00:44:32.660 are unfair

00:44:33.920 in this country

00:44:34.900 or if you think

00:44:36.200 chemtrails

00:44:37.320 are a problem,

00:44:38.440 if you don't like

00:44:39.140 fluoride in the water,

00:44:40.340 if you think

00:44:41.040 there should be a cap

00:44:41.940 on credit card interest,

00:44:43.920 whatever

00:44:44.320 the issue

00:44:45.580 that matters

00:44:46.180 to you,

00:44:47.400 first and foremost,

00:44:49.200 you have a right

00:44:50.460 to feel that way.

00:44:52.260 No one

00:44:52.940 should be allowed

00:44:53.680 to talk you

00:44:54.660 into adopting

00:44:55.940 their enemies

00:44:57.180 as your own.

00:44:58.700 There are a ton

00:44:59.240 of people

00:45:00.080 in Washington

00:45:00.700 who think

00:45:01.100 the single

00:45:01.440 most dangerous

00:45:02.020 person in the world,

00:45:02.840 most evil person

00:45:03.380 who's ever lived

00:45:03.800 is Vladimir Putin.

00:45:04.900 Some of them

00:45:05.280 really think that.

00:45:05.960 A lot of them

00:45:06.200 are just getting rich

00:45:06.660 by saying it,

00:45:07.380 but a lot of them

00:45:07.960 do believe it

00:45:08.860 because I know them.

00:45:09.660 I know they feel that way.

00:45:11.020 It's sincere.

00:45:12.600 But as a percentage

00:45:13.540 of the country,

00:45:14.300 what percentage

00:45:14.840 of the country

00:45:15.220 actually puts

00:45:16.160 killing Putin

00:45:17.520 at the top

00:45:18.240 of its priority list?

00:45:19.180 Like,

00:45:19.600 less than 1%.

00:45:20.500 It's just not.

00:45:21.780 A problem

00:45:22.460 for most Americans

00:45:23.300 who runs Russia.

00:45:25.540 But it's a huge

00:45:26.440 problem in Washington.

00:45:27.280 So Washington

00:45:27.920 for a couple

00:45:28.480 of years there

00:45:29.300 succeeded in

00:45:31.100 convincing the rest

00:45:32.040 of us to either

00:45:32.620 adopt their priority.

00:45:33.900 Putin is the most

00:45:34.520 important thing.

00:45:35.060 We have to stop Putin

00:45:35.840 or shut up about it

00:45:37.180 because if you don't,

00:45:39.240 you're an agent

00:45:39.800 of Putin.

00:45:40.920 Basically bullied

00:45:41.760 the country

00:45:42.220 into accepting

00:45:43.020 their list

00:45:44.220 of priorities

00:45:44.960 and the election

00:45:45.840 of Trump

00:45:46.220 was really

00:45:47.160 a refutation

00:45:48.820 of that.

00:45:49.440 It was

00:45:49.940 tens of millions

00:45:51.220 of voters

00:45:51.540 saying,

00:45:51.920 no,

00:45:52.220 actually,

00:45:52.900 our problems

00:45:54.020 need a hearing.

00:45:55.100 Someone needs

00:45:55.400 to care about

00:45:55.780 our problems.

00:45:56.460 It's not just

00:45:56.760 about you

00:45:57.340 and your little

00:45:58.280 parochial squabble.

00:45:59.960 They're telling us

00:46:00.620 now that Iran

00:46:01.300 is the biggest

00:46:01.780 problem we've ever

00:46:02.380 had.

00:46:02.680 And if you question

00:46:04.880 that,

00:46:05.260 like how many

00:46:05.680 Americans have

00:46:06.240 been killed

00:46:06.580 on American

00:46:07.020 soil by Iran

00:46:08.180 as compared

00:46:08.700 to the number,

00:46:09.320 I don't know,

00:46:09.800 killed by Mexico,

00:46:11.120 which brings

00:46:13.120 all our fentanyl

00:46:13.720 in,

00:46:14.500 not Venezuela,

00:46:15.460 Mexico,

00:46:15.780 you get attacked

00:46:18.260 as an agent

00:46:18.820 of the mullahs.

00:46:20.400 And the way

00:46:21.120 to think about

00:46:21.640 this is,

00:46:22.460 who cares?

00:46:24.180 Your priorities

00:46:24.980 are every bit

00:46:26.440 as important

00:46:27.400 as Mark Levin's

00:46:28.780 because you

00:46:30.140 are a co-equal

00:46:31.200 with Mark Levin

00:46:31.800 because you're

00:46:32.200 also an American

00:46:32.900 citizen.

00:46:33.580 He gets one vote,

00:46:34.320 you get one vote.

00:46:34.920 That's our system.

00:46:36.400 So Mark Levin

00:46:36.900 can scream at you

00:46:37.520 all he wants

00:46:38.300 until you must

00:46:39.000 really care about

00:46:39.800 affecting regime

00:46:40.440 change in Iran.

00:46:41.220 It is absolutely

00:46:41.880 okay.

00:46:42.280 In fact,

00:46:42.660 it's your duty

00:46:43.400 to say to Mark Levin,

00:46:44.320 I don't really care.

00:46:46.420 I can't afford

00:46:46.900 my health insurance.

00:46:48.340 Our leaders

00:46:48.700 should solve

00:46:49.060 that problem.

00:46:49.640 And you'll be

00:46:50.060 joined in that

00:46:50.920 by like 150 million

00:46:52.680 other Americans

00:46:53.260 who agree with you

00:46:54.140 who can't find

00:46:54.860 Iran on a map.

00:46:56.000 They're not pro-Iran.

00:46:57.540 They're not

00:46:58.100 Shiite Muslims.

00:46:58.780 But they have

00:47:00.900 real problems

00:47:01.440 and they want

00:47:01.840 a hearing for those

00:47:02.440 problems.

00:47:02.720 They want someone

00:47:03.180 else to care

00:47:03.960 about those

00:47:04.240 problems.

00:47:04.820 That's okay.

00:47:07.280 And it's interesting

00:47:08.260 because people

00:47:09.000 like Levin

00:47:09.540 and Ben Shapiro

00:47:10.400 who at one point

00:47:11.200 had this like

00:47:11.640 media empire

00:47:12.460 propped up

00:47:13.660 by Facebook

00:47:14.180 the Daily Wire

00:47:15.820 with some good

00:47:16.560 people on it.

00:47:17.180 You know,

00:47:17.360 it's fine.

00:47:18.100 It's fine.

00:47:19.100 But Ben Shapiro

00:47:20.280 spent,

00:47:21.500 I don't know,

00:47:21.740 a decade

00:47:22.360 posing as someone

00:47:23.460 who actually cared

00:47:24.180 about your concerns

00:47:25.100 as an American.

00:47:25.740 He did it

00:47:26.160 imperfectly.

00:47:26.780 There were flashes

00:47:27.300 that he didn't

00:47:27.720 really care.

00:47:29.200 But he's like,

00:47:29.740 no, no,

00:47:29.940 I'm a conservative.

00:47:30.780 I'm a conservative.

00:47:31.620 I'm not just

00:47:32.480 interested in the fortunes

00:47:33.680 of one tiny

00:47:34.640 country in the Middle East

00:47:36.240 with a population

00:47:36.800 of nine million.

00:47:37.320 No, I have a lot

00:47:37.960 of interests.

00:47:38.380 I really care

00:47:38.800 about this country

00:47:39.400 and I'm against

00:47:39.860 the trans movement

00:47:40.640 or whatever.

00:47:42.400 But increasingly,

00:47:43.460 as everyone's

00:47:43.900 gotten more hysterical

00:47:44.960 and prone to sort

00:47:46.000 of blurting out

00:47:46.520 the truth,

00:47:48.060 that veil

00:47:49.620 has dropped

00:47:50.220 and you can see

00:47:50.920 what Ben Shapiro

00:47:51.680 really, really

00:47:52.320 cares about.

00:47:52.800 So this is a very

00:47:54.240 revealing exchange

00:47:55.340 that took place

00:47:56.140 six days ago,

00:47:57.940 last Thursday,

00:47:59.260 on stage

00:47:59.880 with Megyn Kelly.

00:48:01.660 Ben Shapiro

00:48:02.000 was just sitting

00:48:02.620 there being interviewed

00:48:03.460 by Megyn Kelly

00:48:04.120 and said something,

00:48:06.600 he said something like,

00:48:07.500 well, Tucker Carlson's,

00:48:08.420 you know,

00:48:08.880 for Maduro,

00:48:10.840 Maduro,

00:48:12.000 the communist leader

00:48:13.140 of Venezuela

00:48:13.820 who I guess

00:48:14.660 were on the way

00:48:15.260 to killing

00:48:15.900 or something,

00:48:16.700 forcing out,

00:48:17.540 regime changing him.

00:48:18.380 and he defended

00:48:21.340 Maduro.

00:48:22.760 Didn't,

00:48:23.360 actually.

00:48:24.680 And Megyn Kelly

00:48:25.640 says,

00:48:26.260 well, Tucker said

00:48:27.280 in his show

00:48:28.440 that Maduro,

00:48:30.640 most people didn't

00:48:31.120 know this,

00:48:31.540 whatever his many

00:48:32.200 faults,

00:48:32.920 I wouldn't hire him

00:48:33.680 as an economist,

00:48:34.480 okay?

00:48:35.700 But whatever his

00:48:36.400 many faults

00:48:36.820 has the most

00:48:37.300 socially conservative

00:48:38.120 country,

00:48:38.580 probably in the

00:48:39.080 hemisphere.

00:48:39.660 So Venezuela,

00:48:40.520 it's just a fact.

00:48:41.340 I mean,

00:48:41.560 I didn't make this up.

00:48:42.340 I'm not in charge

00:48:42.700 of Venezuela.

00:48:43.340 Just noticing

00:48:43.940 that Venezuela

00:48:45.840 has banned

00:48:47.420 pornography

00:48:47.920 banned abortion,

00:48:50.620 banned gay marriage,

00:48:51.480 banned sex changes,

00:48:52.600 and banned usury.

00:48:55.220 You don't have

00:48:56.260 credit cards

00:48:57.240 with 40% interest

00:48:58.400 in Venezuela.

00:49:00.380 Okay.

00:49:03.820 Ben Shapiro

00:49:04.660 responded this way.

00:49:06.940 Tucker's made the point,

00:49:07.620 I'm not going to hear

00:49:08.140 to be Tucker's defender,

00:49:09.340 but he's made the point

00:49:09.920 that Maduro

00:49:10.380 is culturally conservative.

00:49:12.020 Who gives a shit?

00:49:13.480 The guy's a communist

00:49:14.320 dictator.

00:49:15.880 Everyone in this country

00:49:16.780 is eating dog.

00:49:18.580 He's shipping fentanyl

00:49:19.680 to the United States

00:49:20.380 to kill Americans.

00:49:21.080 Why do I give a shit

00:49:22.000 whether he's

00:49:23.660 anti-LGBTQ rights?

00:49:28.800 Who gives a shit?

00:49:30.980 I do.

00:49:32.060 I do.

00:49:32.860 I'm not moving to Venezuela.

00:49:34.620 I'm not pro-Maduro.

00:49:37.320 But I care about that.

00:49:38.240 Why wouldn't I care about that?

00:49:39.260 I've got kids.

00:49:40.820 First of all,

00:49:41.300 I'm against abortion.

00:49:42.920 Sorry.

00:49:43.920 Unpopular.

00:49:44.240 I feel that way.

00:49:46.080 I think it's really sad.

00:49:47.380 I would personally become

00:49:48.400 poorer to end abortion,

00:49:49.920 voluntarily become poorer

00:49:50.800 to end abortion

00:49:51.340 in the United States.

00:49:52.440 That's not a choice.

00:49:53.800 Don't want to become poor,

00:49:54.900 but I would

00:49:55.320 because I care about it.

00:49:56.380 Maybe you don't.

00:49:57.000 Maybe you're offended

00:49:57.420 that I do,

00:49:57.920 but I care about it.

00:49:58.620 Lots of people care about it.

00:49:59.420 I don't think pornography is good.

00:50:02.760 That really hurts people.

00:50:05.540 You know?

00:50:06.240 I don't think pretending

00:50:07.680 that the sexes are the same

00:50:09.300 is good.

00:50:10.200 And you claimed that

00:50:11.020 you didn't think it was good,

00:50:11.900 but it turns out,

00:50:12.520 quote,

00:50:12.800 I don't give a shit.

00:50:14.860 Maduro's against Israel.

00:50:17.220 Oh, okay.

00:50:18.580 I don't give a shit.

00:50:19.880 Well, you spent like a decade

00:50:20.960 pretending you did give a shit

00:50:22.420 that you were on the side

00:50:23.620 of like normal Americans

00:50:24.760 who have a mix of concerns.

00:50:26.480 They definitely care about economics

00:50:27.420 and they care about social issues too

00:50:28.580 because they have children.

00:50:29.680 And they see where this is going.

00:50:30.820 It's not good.

00:50:32.300 That your economic condition

00:50:33.440 is not the only measure of health.

00:50:35.740 Your spiritual condition matters too.

00:50:36.920 It's just a fact.

00:50:37.560 It does.

00:50:38.660 If you're totally degraded,

00:50:40.700 it doesn't matter

00:50:41.420 how much money you have.

00:50:42.140 It's not worth it.

00:50:42.900 It's not worth getting the whole world

00:50:44.520 and losing your soul.

00:50:45.380 Sorry.

00:50:46.640 And most people feel the way,

00:50:47.720 but not Ben Shapiro.

00:50:49.360 He doesn't give a shit.

00:50:50.780 So why the hostility?

00:50:53.040 Well, maybe because

00:50:54.160 if you keep talking about

00:50:55.120 the so-called social issues,

00:50:56.300 which are not limited to abortion

00:50:57.740 and pornography

00:50:58.480 and gay marriage,

00:50:59.420 the trans issue,

00:51:01.100 they get pretty quickly

00:51:03.140 to economics,

00:51:04.280 to usury,

00:51:05.580 to lending money and interest.

00:51:08.000 And most people,

00:51:08.960 including me,

00:51:09.240 are not against lending money

00:51:10.120 and interest,

00:51:11.080 conceptually.

00:51:12.360 But it depends on what interest rate

00:51:15.580 it's being loaned at.

00:51:18.120 So there are payday loans

00:51:19.600 in this country

00:51:20.340 that are 600% annually.

00:51:24.520 600% interest annually?

00:51:27.720 And who's taking payday loans

00:51:29.200 in this country?

00:51:29.520 Well, poor people are.

00:51:31.100 And they're never getting out of it.

00:51:32.680 They're car loans.

00:51:33.800 They're credit card loans.

00:51:36.040 There's private credit.

00:51:37.740 We used to call it loan sharking.

00:51:39.560 At exorbitant rates.

00:51:40.900 Rates so high

00:51:42.080 that people will never get out

00:51:44.420 from under them.

00:51:44.960 They're enslaved by it.

00:51:45.760 It's called debt slavery.

00:51:46.560 It's 100% real.

00:51:48.360 It's not an ideological point.

00:51:49.540 It's just an obvious observation.

00:51:51.660 And it was one of the observations

00:51:53.020 that Charlie Kirk was making

00:51:54.320 on a daily basis

00:51:55.140 before he was assassinated,

00:51:56.620 which is interesting.

00:51:57.320 And it's that kids

00:52:00.540 are buying food on credit.

00:52:03.420 Buy now, pay later.

00:52:04.200 That's credit.

00:52:05.820 You're paying interest on that.

00:52:07.040 Would they call it that or not?

00:52:07.980 Late fees.

00:52:09.280 People are loaning you money

00:52:10.540 at a much higher interest rate

00:52:12.620 than, say, rich people

00:52:13.920 are borrowing money.

00:52:16.100 And that's bad

00:52:17.300 because it's really hard

00:52:18.720 to get out of it.

00:52:19.940 And if you're wondering

00:52:20.760 why the average American homebuyer,

00:52:23.000 American-born homebuyer,

00:52:24.100 is almost 40 years old,

00:52:25.220 when the year I graduated

00:52:27.880 from college, it was 28.

00:52:29.200 How did that happen?

00:52:30.780 People are in too much debt.

00:52:32.640 This is the,

00:52:33.700 probably if it had to isolate it

00:52:34.980 in a world with a lot of issues,

00:52:36.000 a lot of pressing issues,

00:52:37.080 debt for young people

00:52:38.800 is probably the number one issue,

00:52:41.000 which is to say

00:52:41.580 it's the number one thing

00:52:43.240 that is destroying them

00:52:44.720 and making it impossible for them

00:52:46.880 to get married and have children,

00:52:48.580 which Ben Shapiro told us

00:52:49.720 he cared about.

00:52:51.300 And that's the conversation

00:52:52.800 that they absolutely

00:52:53.560 don't want to have.

00:52:55.840 So if you say,

00:52:56.740 well, Maduro,

00:52:58.000 whatever his many faults,

00:52:59.400 probably stole the election.

00:53:00.800 It looks that way to me.

00:53:02.300 I don't know,

00:53:02.960 but it looks that way.

00:53:03.680 People say he's bad.

00:53:04.460 I'm, okay, I believe you.

00:53:05.760 He's bad.

00:53:07.740 But he doesn't have that.

00:53:09.180 And that's a good thing.

00:53:10.860 And Ben Shapiro's like,

00:53:11.380 I don't give a shit.

00:53:12.060 Shut up.

00:53:12.460 He's a communist.

00:53:14.420 It makes you wonder

00:53:15.240 how we're defining communist here.

00:53:18.040 Because, of course,

00:53:18.620 in the United States,

00:53:19.220 communist no longer means

00:53:20.300 someone who believes

00:53:21.100 Marx and Engels.

00:53:23.320 It has nothing to do

00:53:24.160 with academic theory.

00:53:24.880 That's all gone.

00:53:26.600 Communist in the United States

00:53:27.560 is a synonym for someone

00:53:28.620 who seeks to rot

00:53:29.760 a society from within

00:53:31.100 and destroy it.

00:53:33.340 And I guess I would argue

00:53:34.560 that if you don't give a shit

00:53:36.180 about pornography

00:53:38.780 or 63 million abortions

00:53:41.300 in the United States

00:53:42.180 since Roe v. Wade or whatever,

00:53:44.400 and if you don't care

00:53:45.760 about 600% annual interest rates

00:53:48.880 on payday loans

00:53:49.760 being given to the poor,

00:53:51.620 who's the communist exactly?

00:53:54.340 Who's trying to rot this country

00:53:55.600 from the inside?

00:53:56.560 Who doesn't care

00:53:57.740 about the destruction

00:53:58.740 of human beings

00:53:59.760 in our country?

00:54:02.000 That's not me.

00:54:03.200 You're a communist.

00:54:04.040 So I thought a lot about this.

00:54:07.360 I didn't want,

00:54:07.660 you know,

00:54:07.800 you never want to extrapolate

00:54:09.180 too much from a single clip.

00:54:10.320 You don't want to be cruel to people.

00:54:11.160 You don't want to be unfair.

00:54:12.140 Having been unfair many times,

00:54:13.820 it weighs on me.

00:54:14.800 Don't want to do that.

00:54:15.640 So I've kind of looked around.

00:54:18.800 Is this consistent

00:54:19.640 with Ben Shapiro's worldview?

00:54:23.460 Does he think GDP,

00:54:25.200 the aggregate economic activity

00:54:26.900 in a country,

00:54:27.500 the bottom line number,

00:54:29.400 it really doesn't tell you that much.

00:54:31.620 But for simple people like Ben,

00:54:33.500 who aren't sophisticated

00:54:35.240 in their understanding of economics,

00:54:36.520 that's important.

00:54:37.760 GDP, GDP, GDP.

00:54:40.720 Never hinting at the things

00:54:42.080 that it doesn't measure.

00:54:43.220 Never hinting at what a distorted number

00:54:44.720 that is,

00:54:45.080 just like the inflation rate

00:54:46.240 or the employment rate.

00:54:47.160 I mean,

00:54:47.300 these are not really real numbers.

00:54:51.000 But is he really a guy

00:54:52.540 who cares about GDP

00:54:54.440 or economic activity

00:54:55.960 or some people getting rich

00:54:57.580 more than he cares

00:54:58.920 about the lives

00:54:59.580 of his fellow Americans?

00:55:00.580 Boy,

00:55:00.720 that's a pretty heavy charge.

00:55:01.680 You'd hate to level that

00:55:02.460 against anyone.

00:55:03.120 You'd hate to claim that

00:55:03.880 about anyone.

00:55:05.360 Could this be a guy

00:55:06.440 who really only cares

00:55:08.500 about a foreign country?

00:55:11.660 So we went looking.

00:55:13.460 So first and famously,

00:55:14.680 don't even put it on the screen

00:55:15.480 because I'm sure you've seen this,

00:55:16.760 there was Ben Shapiro saying,

00:55:18.520 you know,

00:55:18.940 I'd be willing

00:55:19.840 to vote for Bibi Netanyahu

00:55:22.200 for President of the United States

00:55:23.260 if only it were constitutionally allowed.

00:55:26.100 Huh?

00:55:26.960 You want some foreigner

00:55:28.040 to run our country?

00:55:30.340 Who even thinks like that?

00:55:31.720 He said that.

00:55:33.800 Maybe it was just,

00:55:34.600 he was getting carried away.

00:55:36.100 He just loves Bibi so much.

00:55:38.340 Loves the guy

00:55:39.080 who he's killing

00:55:40.160 tens of thousands

00:55:41.100 of children in Gaza

00:55:42.020 so much

00:55:42.820 that he wants them

00:55:43.780 to run our country.

00:55:45.640 Okay.

00:55:46.700 But then we found

00:55:47.340 a couple of other clips

00:55:48.160 which are recent

00:55:48.940 that give a window,

00:55:50.360 not just,

00:55:50.840 and I hate to be mean

00:55:51.480 to poor Ben Shapiro

00:55:52.240 who's clearly

00:55:53.740 going away

00:55:55.240 as a media force.

00:55:57.480 I hate to be mean to him.

00:55:58.940 But this does reflect

00:56:00.180 the worldview

00:56:00.760 of an awful lot

00:56:02.220 of people in Washington

00:56:03.080 and a lot of people

00:56:04.200 in Ben Shapiro's world.

00:56:06.200 And that worldview is

00:56:07.740 the people of this country

00:56:09.180 don't really matter.

00:56:10.500 They can be replaced.

00:56:11.940 By the way,

00:56:12.200 if you complain about the fact

00:56:13.320 they're being replaced,

00:56:14.180 which they are

00:56:14.800 at high speed,

00:56:15.680 it's measurable,

00:56:16.740 then you're a Nazi

00:56:18.000 and you must shut up

00:56:18.680 and be punished.

00:56:21.040 But those people

00:56:22.360 don't really matter.

00:56:24.400 They should do

00:56:25.140 what they're told

00:56:26.060 and ultimately

00:56:27.360 they should just serve

00:56:28.400 the people for profiting

00:56:29.300 from all of this.

00:56:30.220 Does he really think that?

00:56:31.900 Well, here are a couple of clips

00:56:32.840 that you can watch carefully

00:56:34.260 and answer the question

00:56:35.060 for yourself.

00:56:35.780 Here's Ben Shapiro.

00:56:36.760 We have trained

00:56:37.500 an entire generation

00:56:38.440 of people to believe

00:56:39.380 that if their lives

00:56:40.900 are not what they want them to be,

00:56:41.960 it's the fault of systems

00:56:42.880 as opposed to decisions

00:56:44.280 that are in their own control.

00:56:46.040 And politicians

00:56:46.620 absolutely have a stake

00:56:48.100 in selling that.

00:56:48.640 A lot of people

00:56:49.100 in our industry

00:56:49.960 have a stake

00:56:50.520 in selling that.

00:56:51.320 It makes people feel good

00:56:52.000 about themselves

00:56:52.520 and bad about the world.

00:56:53.860 And the reality is

00:56:54.780 if you want a better life,

00:56:55.460 you should feel better

00:56:56.060 about the world

00:56:56.520 and worse about yourself.

00:56:57.500 If you're a young person

00:56:58.340 and you can't afford

00:56:58.940 to live here,

00:56:59.600 then maybe you should

00:57:00.580 not live here.

00:57:01.520 I mean,

00:57:01.800 that is a real thing.

00:57:02.780 I know that we've now

00:57:04.360 grown up in a society

00:57:05.600 that says that

00:57:06.200 you deserve to live

00:57:07.160 where you grew up,

00:57:08.320 but the reality is

00:57:09.160 that the history of America

00:57:09.920 is almost literally

00:57:11.380 the opposite of that.

00:57:12.220 It's hard to know

00:57:12.940 where to start

00:57:13.340 with that clip.

00:57:14.140 I think that's been

00:57:14.640 on the internet

00:57:15.160 and people are experiencing

00:57:16.740 gut-level revulsion

00:57:17.800 when they see it

00:57:18.420 and they really should.

00:57:19.800 And there's so many ways

00:57:20.400 to approach that.

00:57:21.080 There's so many things

00:57:21.500 wrong with those statements.

00:57:22.860 So childish,

00:57:24.620 those statements.

00:57:25.400 So lacking an understanding

00:57:26.700 of people

00:57:27.460 or any connection

00:57:28.300 really to the country

00:57:29.100 at all.

00:57:31.300 But really what you see

00:57:32.920 underneath all of that

00:57:34.240 is contempt

00:57:35.260 for the people

00:57:35.800 who live here.

00:57:37.140 You have no right

00:57:38.140 to live in the town

00:57:39.000 where you were born

00:57:39.760 just because your parents

00:57:40.860 are buried there.

00:57:41.720 Your ancestors

00:57:42.640 built the town.

00:57:43.780 Who do you think you are?

00:57:46.460 Imagine feeling that way

00:57:47.760 about someone

00:57:48.280 in your own country.

00:57:50.440 Imagine having

00:57:51.080 that level

00:57:52.440 of contempt

00:57:54.040 for a fellow American.

00:57:56.200 You don't even know

00:57:56.540 anything about the person.

00:57:57.280 It's young people.

00:57:58.180 They're not entitled

00:57:59.100 to live where they want.

00:58:01.220 They'll live where

00:58:01.860 Black Rock tells them

00:58:02.940 they can live.

00:58:04.840 It's like,

00:58:05.800 whoa.

00:58:06.620 If you had a thought

00:58:07.620 like that,

00:58:07.920 I've had some ugly thoughts.

00:58:08.880 I just admitted

00:58:09.320 having some ugly thoughts.

00:58:10.800 Boy, I would try

00:58:11.680 and push it back

00:58:12.460 and not express it.

00:58:13.320 Ben says it

00:58:13.760 without any embarrassment

00:58:14.560 because he means it.

00:58:16.040 That's exactly right

00:58:17.360 because he means it.

00:58:19.760 Whew.

00:58:20.680 I don't think

00:58:22.000 that you can win

00:58:24.060 a popular debate

00:58:25.200 with that attitude

00:58:26.040 because

00:58:27.320 irrespective of

00:58:29.740 the content

00:58:30.420 of your sentence,

00:58:31.960 people can feel

00:58:32.900 the loathing

00:58:33.640 that the speaker

00:58:34.300 has for them.

00:58:36.300 Ben Shapiro

00:58:36.660 does not care

00:58:37.620 about you at all.

00:58:39.300 He's not even

00:58:39.920 pretending

00:58:40.440 to care about you.

00:58:42.200 So again,

00:58:42.900 it really doesn't matter

00:58:43.860 what he's selling.

00:58:45.000 That guy

00:58:45.660 is not going

00:58:46.240 to make the sale

00:58:46.940 if people are free

00:58:47.920 to buy whatever

00:58:49.500 they want.

00:58:50.740 It's like,

00:58:50.940 I don't know

00:58:51.200 what that guy's selling

00:58:51.920 but he doesn't like me.

00:58:52.860 I can feel it right away.

00:58:53.900 He doesn't care

00:58:54.480 at all about me

00:58:55.400 at all

00:58:56.020 and he thinks

00:58:57.580 so little of me

00:58:58.400 he's not even going

00:58:58.940 to like put on the dog.

00:59:00.520 He's not even going

00:59:00.840 to like try to pretend

00:59:01.820 to care about me

00:59:02.880 and a guy like that

00:59:06.320 he really needs

00:59:09.880 censorship

00:59:10.740 and bullying

00:59:11.780 to succeed

00:59:13.920 because the free market

00:59:15.140 does not reward

00:59:15.940 a man like that

00:59:16.760 at all,

00:59:17.820 ever

00:59:18.080 because people

00:59:18.700 don't like it.

00:59:19.280 Why would they like it?

00:59:21.580 Here's another clip

00:59:22.600 that makes basically

00:59:23.320 the same point

00:59:24.000 that is in some ways

00:59:24.840 even more disgusting,

00:59:26.280 maybe less well known.

00:59:27.500 Here's Ben Shapiro

00:59:28.660 telling you

00:59:30.060 that if you ever

00:59:31.080 want to retire

00:59:31.880 stop working

00:59:33.460 to pay off

00:59:34.060 your 50 freaking

00:59:35.140 year mortgage

00:59:35.880 you own the house

00:59:37.680 really for 50 years.

00:59:38.760 Okay,

00:59:39.040 no,

00:59:39.320 I'm renting it.

00:59:40.100 I'll be 90

00:59:40.620 by the time I pay it off

00:59:42.160 which of course I won't

00:59:42.920 because I got all kinds

00:59:43.460 of other loans too.

00:59:45.420 So if you complain

00:59:46.080 about that

00:59:46.620 if you had these dreams

00:59:47.840 of like working

00:59:48.460 really hard

00:59:49.020 and retiring

00:59:49.680 how dare you?

00:59:52.060 How dare you?

00:59:52.900 Here's Ben Shapiro.

00:59:54.160 No one in the United States

00:59:55.200 should be retiring

00:59:55.700 at 65 years old.

00:59:57.340 Frankly,

00:59:57.600 I think retirement

00:59:58.080 itself is a stupid idea

00:59:59.400 unless you have

00:59:59.860 some sort of health problem.

01:00:00.680 it's totally insane

01:00:02.380 that you believe

01:00:03.300 that you should be able

01:00:03.860 to work

01:00:04.400 from the time

01:00:05.820 that you are

01:00:06.240 essentially 20

01:00:07.320 to the time

01:00:07.760 that you are 65

01:00:08.420 which is a 45 year period

01:00:09.860 pay in

01:00:11.440 and then you'll receive

01:00:12.760 social security benefits

01:00:13.900 sufficient

01:00:14.380 to support you

01:00:16.020 and your family

01:00:17.200 you and your wife

01:00:18.340 or whatever

01:00:18.620 for like another

01:00:19.740 20 years.

01:00:21.060 That's crazy talk.

01:00:22.920 Yeah,

01:00:23.080 it's crazy talk.

01:00:24.020 Like how dare you?

01:00:25.920 How dare you?

01:00:27.020 Now the conventional

01:00:29.600 response to this

01:00:30.640 I've heard people say it

01:00:31.480 is well Ben Shapiro

01:00:32.160 can say that

01:00:32.640 because he's a podcaster

01:00:33.540 he's not climbing ladders

01:00:35.080 for a living

01:00:35.680 and if you climb ladders

01:00:36.640 for a living

01:00:37.140 you know

01:00:37.720 or do any kind

01:00:39.060 of physical labor

01:00:39.780 even light physical labor

01:00:41.280 your body breaks down

01:00:42.020 it's just a fact

01:00:42.620 and if you are around

01:00:43.460 people who've done it

01:00:44.200 you know

01:00:44.660 by the time they get to 50

01:00:46.160 they're limping

01:00:46.760 and they're in pain

01:00:47.680 that's why they're

01:00:48.200 you know

01:00:48.720 you go to these little towns

01:00:49.940 around the country

01:00:50.740 and most businesses

01:00:52.160 are gone

01:00:52.540 there are no furniture stores

01:00:53.780 or no toy stores

01:00:54.960 like they're all gone

01:00:55.720 they're all at Walmart

01:00:56.720 they're a husk

01:00:58.860 but what you do find

01:01:00.660 next to the

01:01:02.640 you know

01:01:03.200 the drug rehab places

01:01:05.380 are chiropractors

01:01:06.460 or a lot of chiropractors

01:01:07.980 throughout the country

01:01:08.600 it's because

01:01:09.800 poorer people

01:01:11.180 working class people

01:01:11.980 blue collar people

01:01:12.840 are aching

01:01:14.340 they have trouble walking

01:01:15.560 their backs hurt

01:01:16.420 so retirement

01:01:18.260 for a man who climbs ladders

01:01:19.740 is a little bit different

01:01:20.540 from a man

01:01:21.140 who hosts a podcast

01:01:22.880 but that's not even the point

01:01:25.400 that I would make

01:01:25.980 that's true of course

01:01:27.040 is pure contempt

01:01:28.260 for people

01:01:28.940 who work with their bodies

01:01:30.180 and he should be

01:01:32.300 judged for that

01:01:33.420 but I think it's deeper

01:01:35.060 than that

01:01:35.540 it's like how dare you

01:01:36.500 tell me when I should retire

01:01:37.700 who are you exactly

01:01:39.460 who gave you the moral

01:01:42.480 authority to judge

01:01:43.720 when I retire

01:01:44.860 that's insane

01:01:46.220 you're like a child

01:01:48.140 who's got some deal

01:01:48.940 with Facebook

01:01:49.580 I mean

01:01:50.340 or whatever

01:01:50.920 whoever you are

01:01:51.860 you are not God

01:01:53.280 you have no right

01:01:56.340 to talk to me like that

01:01:57.620 but you do

01:01:59.340 because you have

01:02:00.680 no respect for me

01:02:01.680 you have no love

01:02:02.420 for me at all

01:02:03.380 and it does kind of

01:02:05.180 point to the core problem

01:02:07.160 not with Ben Shapiro

01:02:08.180 who will not be a factor

01:02:09.480 in America

01:02:10.020 in five years

01:02:10.640 I can promise you that

01:02:11.700 or Mark Levin

01:02:13.400 let's hope he gets better

01:02:14.420 no it points to the problem

01:02:16.560 with their leaders

01:02:17.120 they don't like the people

01:02:18.320 they lead

01:02:18.740 that's it right there

01:02:20.000 they have no love

01:02:21.400 for the people

01:02:21.860 they lead

01:02:22.560 and all leadership

01:02:23.880 is based on

01:02:24.840 the patriarchal model

01:02:26.680 the father

01:02:28.100 is a good father

01:02:29.100 because he loves

01:02:30.800 his children

01:02:31.240 he may make mistakes

01:02:32.180 but ultimately

01:02:32.740 he comes back

01:02:33.400 to true north

01:02:33.920 because he loves them

01:02:35.460 that's what keeps him

01:02:37.460 honest

01:02:37.800 his sincere love

01:02:38.920 for his children

01:02:39.620 that is the model

01:02:40.380 for all leadership

01:02:41.160 that's the model

01:02:42.680 for leadership

01:02:43.060 in the military

01:02:43.700 in a company

01:02:44.420 that's the model

01:02:46.500 for rhetorical leadership

01:02:47.500 you want people

01:02:48.740 to follow you

01:02:49.480 you want to sell

01:02:50.180 your ideas to them

01:02:50.980 you want to convince them

01:02:51.840 that what you're saying

01:02:52.340 is true

01:02:52.820 show some love for them

01:02:54.740 demonstrate that you love

01:02:56.480 that you care about them

01:02:57.180 why are we doing this

01:02:58.080 because we think

01:02:59.120 it's better for you

01:03:00.260 Shapiro

01:03:01.900 and all of these guys

01:03:03.080 they don't make

01:03:05.000 an effort to do that

01:03:05.780 because they don't

01:03:06.700 feel that way

01:03:07.500 at all

01:03:08.340 shut up cattle

01:03:09.960 you're a Nazi

01:03:10.900 give us the money

01:03:12.720 for our preferred

01:03:13.460 little country

01:03:14.220 or else

01:03:16.500 we're going to

01:03:16.960 denounce you

01:03:17.620 man

01:03:19.760 those attitudes

01:03:22.100 are incompatible

01:03:23.780 with leadership

01:03:25.640 and in fact

01:03:27.220 with democracy

01:03:27.920 itself

01:03:28.500 you can't have

01:03:30.520 a country

01:03:31.920 of 350 million

01:03:33.520 people

01:03:34.340 governed

01:03:35.280 by boutique

01:03:36.480 goals

01:03:38.040 and concerns

01:03:38.860 I really care

01:03:39.740 so much

01:03:40.240 about this thing

01:03:41.040 and you better

01:03:42.160 care about it too

01:03:43.120 or else

01:03:44.580 I'm going to

01:03:44.900 attack you

01:03:45.440 and deplatform you

01:03:46.580 it doesn't work

01:03:48.640 it's illegitimate

01:03:49.900 actually

01:03:50.460 and if you keep it up

01:03:52.300 you're flirting with

01:03:53.740 you know

01:03:54.460 real backlash

01:03:55.080 like a real one

01:03:55.840 not Nick Fuentes

01:03:56.820 like a real one

01:03:58.160 so cool it

01:03:59.240 listen to other people

01:04:00.860 don't treat them

01:04:01.380 like cattle

01:04:01.800 treat them

01:04:02.220 like human beings

01:04:02.840 and finally

01:04:04.840 the last lesson

01:04:05.600 to learn from all

01:04:06.240 of this

01:04:06.700 is that

01:04:08.640 there is no

01:04:09.680 Amalek

01:04:10.220 Amalek

01:04:11.200 Deuteronomy

01:04:13.180 describes a tribe

01:04:15.000 that is

01:04:16.060 beyond redemption

01:04:17.100 and must be killed

01:04:18.000 period

01:04:19.060 because

01:04:19.820 they have

01:04:21.620 blood guilt

01:04:22.260 their DNA

01:04:23.680 as Mark Levin

01:04:25.620 explained on Twitter

01:04:26.600 makes them evil

01:04:28.300 and they must be

01:04:29.540 destroyed

01:04:29.740 every one of them

01:04:30.320 not just the

01:04:31.680 fighting age men

01:04:32.340 but their wives

01:04:33.380 and their kids

01:04:34.260 and their parents

01:04:35.000 all must be killed

01:04:35.880 because

01:04:36.340 we're not just

01:04:37.300 killing a foreign army

01:04:38.160 we're killing

01:04:39.140 a strain

01:04:39.740 of genetics

01:04:40.640 because that's

01:04:42.460 where the sin

01:04:42.800 comes from

01:04:43.340 their genetics

01:04:44.180 we do not

01:04:45.740 acknowledge that

01:04:46.400 we cannot allow

01:04:47.280 that attitude

01:04:47.920 that will wind up

01:04:49.300 like Rwanda

01:04:50.660 right away

01:04:51.720 like quickly

01:04:52.300 in our lifetimes

01:04:53.160 we will see

01:04:53.900 mass killing

01:04:54.520 if we don't get

01:04:55.140 that attitude

01:04:55.600 under control

01:04:56.200 it's the attitude

01:04:57.080 that animated

01:04:57.560 the Nazis

01:04:57.980 it's the attitude

01:04:59.380 that really is

01:05:00.400 behind all

01:05:01.300 mass slaughter

01:05:02.060 in history

01:05:02.820 and we can't

01:05:03.840 have it in the

01:05:04.360 West

01:05:04.620 period

01:05:05.440 so once you

01:05:06.480 accept that

01:05:07.280 then you also

01:05:08.960 have to acknowledge

01:05:09.700 that there are

01:05:11.540 no permanent

01:05:11.940 enemies

01:05:12.340 that we disagree

01:05:14.000 with people

01:05:14.820 we may violently

01:05:16.340 disagree

01:05:16.740 passionately disagree

01:05:17.740 I hate what

01:05:18.500 you're saying

01:05:18.980 but we owe

01:05:20.520 and this is a

01:05:21.100 Christian imperative

01:05:21.660 as well

01:05:22.140 but also it's

01:05:23.200 like a prerequisite

01:05:24.040 for continuing

01:05:25.520 to exist

01:05:26.160 you have to

01:05:27.860 acknowledge

01:05:28.280 and say out

01:05:29.100 loud

01:05:29.380 that if people

01:05:31.160 change

01:05:31.400 or if you

01:05:31.940 change

01:05:32.440 because we all

01:05:33.220 do change

01:05:33.880 and when we're

01:05:34.220 under pressure

01:05:34.700 we change

01:05:35.080 much more quickly

01:05:35.680 all of us

01:05:36.160 are changing

01:05:36.460 right now

01:05:37.060 it's imperceptible

01:05:38.000 to us

01:05:38.380 usually

01:05:38.700 but keep

01:05:40.080 a daily diary

01:05:40.660 and look at it

01:05:41.160 five years

01:05:41.560 from now

01:05:41.740 you're a

01:05:41.980 different person

01:05:42.520 you change

01:05:43.260 and so do

01:05:43.800 all the people

01:05:44.860 around you

01:05:45.380 and because

01:05:47.020 that is true

01:05:47.940 some people

01:05:49.600 will change

01:05:49.920 for the worse

01:05:50.440 some people

01:05:51.300 will change

01:05:51.580 for the better

01:05:51.940 we cannot

01:05:53.380 have permanent

01:05:54.640 enemies

01:05:55.260 period

01:05:56.480 it's immoral

01:05:58.500 to imagine

01:05:59.480 that someone

01:06:00.220 must always

01:06:00.880 be your enemy

01:06:01.720 at least

01:06:02.620 an Amalekite

01:06:04.500 or whatever

01:06:05.620 that is

01:06:07.740 immoral

01:06:08.260 and

01:06:10.640 it's also

01:06:11.420 by the way

01:06:11.800 cutting yourself

01:06:12.460 off from one

01:06:13.040 of life's

01:06:13.440 greatest joys

01:06:14.080 which is

01:06:15.340 finding common

01:06:16.100 humanity

01:06:16.500 with another

01:06:16.960 person

01:06:17.400 and deciding

01:06:18.520 wait a second

01:06:19.040 you know

01:06:19.300 I really

01:06:19.560 dislike this

01:06:20.120 person

01:06:20.520 but all of a

01:06:21.880 sudden

01:06:21.940 I'm seeing

01:06:22.340 this person

01:06:22.800 as a person

01:06:23.460 whose concerns

01:06:24.160 are not exactly

01:06:24.800 the same as mine

01:06:25.320 but close enough

01:06:26.180 and actually

01:06:27.640 this person

01:06:27.980 is saying

01:06:28.220 something really

01:06:28.600 interesting

01:06:28.920 and I'm

01:06:29.340 learning

01:06:29.600 and I'm

01:06:30.100 changing

01:06:30.480 and I'm

01:06:30.860 becoming

01:06:31.280 much more

01:06:32.540 aware

01:06:32.920 of who

01:06:34.140 this person

01:06:34.580 is

01:06:34.780 and I

01:06:35.000 really like

01:06:35.700 it

01:06:35.920 in other

01:06:36.360 words

01:06:36.520 there's

01:06:37.180 no greater

01:06:37.800 joy

01:06:38.180 than the

01:06:38.480 joy

01:06:38.660 of

01:06:38.800 reconciliation

01:06:39.320 that's

01:06:39.900 the story

01:06:40.440 of the

01:06:40.940 prodigal

01:06:41.260 son

01:06:41.580 yeah he

01:06:43.100 did all

01:06:43.360 kinds of

01:06:43.700 indefensible

01:06:44.180 stuff

01:06:44.460 yeah he

01:06:44.700 wasted

01:06:44.940 dad's

01:06:45.360 money

01:06:45.560 yeah he

01:06:45.820 acted like

01:06:46.060 a total

01:06:46.340 asshole

01:06:46.660 okay but

01:06:47.080 he's back

01:06:47.780 and we're

01:06:48.340 going to

01:06:48.520 celebrate it

01:06:49.160 that's

01:06:51.020 the greatest

01:06:51.440 most profound

01:06:52.020 joy that

01:06:52.380 there is

01:06:52.760 being reunited

01:06:53.620 to another

01:06:54.220 person

01:06:54.660 discovering

01:06:55.080 that actually

01:06:55.800 I really

01:06:56.520 like you

01:06:56.960 I thought

01:06:58.080 I didn't

01:06:58.360 but now

01:06:58.640 I do

01:06:58.940 because there

01:06:59.740 are no

01:07:00.080 permanent

01:07:00.460 enemies

01:07:00.880 we have

01:07:02.080 to have

01:07:02.380 that attitude

01:07:02.920 and it's

01:07:04.540 with that

01:07:04.800 in mind

01:07:05.280 that I

01:07:06.080 announce

01:07:06.400 with sincere

01:07:07.120 pleasure

01:07:07.600 that I

01:07:08.880 really like

01:07:09.980 and respect

01:07:10.680 Anna Kasparian

01:07:11.460 and not

01:07:11.940 because both

01:07:12.800 of us

01:07:13.080 have total

01:07:13.680 contempt

01:07:14.200 for the

01:07:14.880 lunatic

01:07:15.380 running

01:07:15.800 Israel

01:07:16.180 right now

01:07:16.900 Bibi Netanyahu

01:07:18.000 but because

01:07:19.500 I sincerely

01:07:20.400 think that

01:07:20.940 Anna Kasparian

01:07:21.720 while she

01:07:23.080 disagrees with

01:07:23.580 me I'm sure

01:07:24.000 on a million

01:07:24.380 issues

01:07:24.900 is motivated

01:07:25.820 by a desire

01:07:27.040 to figure out

01:07:27.760 what is best

01:07:28.340 for the country

01:07:29.020 that we live

01:07:29.900 in

01:07:30.120 it's not

01:07:30.560 about Israel

01:07:31.500 at all

01:07:32.240 sorry Mark

01:07:32.740 Levin

01:07:32.940 it's about

01:07:34.720 us

01:07:35.060 and I think

01:07:36.540 Anna Kasparian

01:07:37.300 really cares

01:07:38.180 about the

01:07:39.040 United States

01:07:39.560 and so

01:07:41.720 with that

01:07:42.200 in mind

01:07:42.620 I'm just

01:07:43.180 very happy

01:07:44.580 to introduce

01:07:45.160 her now

01:07:45.580 Anna thanks

01:07:46.000 so much

01:07:46.260 for coming

01:07:46.560 on

01:07:46.780 thank you

01:07:48.200 for having

01:07:48.500 me Tucker

01:07:48.880 I appreciate

01:07:49.360 it

01:07:49.720 I'm worried

01:07:50.440 about where

01:07:50.820 this is going

01:07:51.400 I'm worried

01:07:51.860 about all

01:07:52.100 the Nazi

01:07:52.500 talk

01:07:52.760 not just

01:07:53.060 because it's

01:07:53.980 directed at

01:07:54.600 me

01:07:54.840 and you

01:07:55.600 but because

01:07:56.920 once you start

01:07:57.440 talking like

01:07:57.960 that

01:07:58.300 it's kind

01:07:58.940 of hard

01:07:59.180 to walk

01:07:59.580 it back

01:08:00.000 and it's

01:08:00.380 kind of hard

01:08:00.840 to disapprove

01:08:01.720 of violence

01:08:02.520 when the

01:08:04.200 people

01:08:04.720 you're calling

01:08:06.880 Hitler

01:08:07.220 get killed

01:08:07.760 like how

01:08:08.120 could you be

01:08:08.520 sad when

01:08:08.880 Hitler dies

01:08:09.460 so how

01:08:11.020 do we

01:08:11.420 where are we

01:08:12.400 going and

01:08:12.980 how do we

01:08:13.340 stop the

01:08:14.580 introduction

01:08:15.020 of like

01:08:15.800 Nazi

01:08:16.880 Hitler

01:08:17.400 fascist

01:08:18.280 into our

01:08:18.780 conversation

01:08:19.280 we need

01:08:19.800 to pull

01:08:20.060 back on

01:08:20.400 that I

01:08:20.640 think

01:08:20.860 well I

01:08:23.140 obviously

01:08:23.740 you're right

01:08:24.120 about that

01:08:24.520 there's no

01:08:24.900 question

01:08:25.340 and I

01:08:26.560 think what

01:08:26.920 you're also

01:08:27.340 correct about

01:08:28.140 is the fact

01:08:28.780 that these

01:08:29.860 words are

01:08:30.740 specifically being

01:08:31.480 used in a

01:08:32.340 way to

01:08:32.920 intimidate

01:08:33.520 people and

01:08:34.900 persuade them

01:08:35.520 to avoid

01:08:36.620 speaking out

01:08:37.680 against what

01:08:38.540 they find to

01:08:39.400 be a huge

01:08:40.620 problem in

01:08:41.640 our country's

01:08:42.640 priorities right

01:08:43.360 now and

01:08:44.400 what I

01:08:45.380 would like

01:08:45.660 to say to

01:08:46.140 anyone who's

01:08:46.900 been smeared

01:08:47.820 as an

01:08:48.200 anti-Semite

01:08:48.880 when they

01:08:49.220 don't have

01:08:49.760 any hatred

01:08:50.360 in their

01:08:50.640 hearts at

01:08:51.160 all for

01:08:51.620 the Jewish

01:08:51.980 people is

01:08:53.400 don't let

01:08:54.180 them win

01:08:54.800 when they

01:08:55.420 do that

01:08:55.760 to you

01:08:56.220 because you

01:08:57.580 know in

01:08:57.880 your heart

01:08:58.260 you're not

01:08:58.700 an anti-Semite

01:08:59.500 you know in

01:09:00.200 your heart

01:09:00.520 that you're

01:09:00.820 not a

01:09:01.100 Nazi the

01:09:01.660 people closest

01:09:02.320 to you in

01:09:02.700 your life

01:09:03.120 know that

01:09:03.700 and so you

01:09:05.220 as an

01:09:05.520 American have

01:09:06.300 every right

01:09:06.800 in the world

01:09:07.240 to be critical

01:09:08.120 of the fact

01:09:09.060 that regardless

01:09:10.560 of which

01:09:11.140 presidential

01:09:12.300 administration

01:09:12.900 we're talking

01:09:13.480 about our

01:09:14.780 priorities are

01:09:15.400 messed up and

01:09:16.600 there isn't

01:09:17.360 enough focus

01:09:18.080 on all the

01:09:19.000 various aspects

01:09:19.780 of American

01:09:20.260 society that are

01:09:21.080 completely falling

01:09:21.860 apart right now

01:09:22.480 as we speak

01:09:23.080 you know there's

01:09:24.380 been political

01:09:25.280 violence in this

01:09:26.040 country I'm going

01:09:27.460 to put my cards

01:09:28.400 on the table and

01:09:29.040 say you know I've

01:09:30.140 been guilty of

01:09:30.800 using inflammatory

01:09:31.540 rhetoric certainly

01:09:32.820 but I think what

01:09:34.300 you're saying here

01:09:35.140 is important

01:09:36.280 especially as it

01:09:37.380 pertains to how

01:09:38.880 Americans communicate

01:09:40.080 with one another

01:09:41.220 about these

01:09:42.440 incredibly

01:09:43.440 controversial

01:09:44.040 issues I get

01:09:45.520 that people get

01:09:46.040 passionate but

01:09:47.420 you have to

01:09:47.980 understand the

01:09:48.440 motivations of the

01:09:49.320 person who's trying

01:09:50.000 to smear you

01:09:50.520 number one

01:09:51.160 number two if

01:09:52.840 you are met

01:09:53.700 with this type

01:09:55.300 of rhetoric from

01:09:55.940 a fellow American

01:09:56.780 you're so right

01:09:58.180 do not become

01:10:00.140 what you claim

01:10:01.460 to hate

01:10:02.020 don't become

01:10:03.200 hateful yourself

01:10:04.180 I allowed that

01:10:05.400 to happen to me

01:10:06.200 to some extent

01:10:07.000 during Trump's

01:10:07.680 first term I

01:10:08.960 have a lot of

01:10:09.720 remorse about

01:10:10.340 that because I

01:10:11.060 think there are

01:10:11.400 a lot of really

01:10:11.900 great people in

01:10:12.720 this country they

01:10:13.300 voted for Trump

01:10:13.900 turns out I don't

01:10:14.900 care doesn't matter

01:10:15.760 who they voted

01:10:16.280 for it doesn't

01:10:18.020 say anything about

01:10:18.920 who they are as

01:10:19.560 people and more

01:10:20.240 importantly they're

01:10:20.960 my fellow Americans

01:10:21.780 who have participated

01:10:23.140 in what makes this

01:10:24.300 country great which

01:10:25.640 is our ability to

01:10:27.860 voice our support

01:10:29.200 and cast our ballot

01:10:30.400 for who we feel is

01:10:31.860 best to represent

01:10:32.600 us so I just think

01:10:34.520 there's something

01:10:35.180 kind of interesting

01:10:36.280 happening in the

01:10:36.900 country right now

01:10:37.560 that gives me a

01:10:39.060 little bit of

01:10:39.440 optimism gives me

01:10:40.260 a little bit of

01:10:40.740 hope people are

01:10:42.140 starting to see

01:10:43.040 beyond partisanship

01:10:46.040 and instead kind of

01:10:47.460 understand okay wait a

01:10:49.520 minute we're all

01:10:50.380 Americans it feels like

01:10:52.720 a lot of the framing

01:10:54.800 around partisan

01:10:55.980 divides is completely

01:10:57.660 manufactured and in

01:10:58.940 fact is utilized by

01:11:01.300 members of the media

01:11:02.240 to divide us and to

01:11:03.780 distract us from the

01:11:04.980 fact that our

01:11:05.420 government is not

01:11:06.520 focused on taking

01:11:08.260 care of us and so I

01:11:10.740 just really want to

01:11:11.840 drive that point home

01:11:12.920 don't fall for the

01:11:15.640 gross rhetoric don't

01:11:18.180 partake in it and try

01:11:19.660 to see the humanity in

01:11:20.600 everyone before you

01:11:21.900 allow yourself to

01:11:23.200 devolve into the very

01:11:24.460 thing that you hate

01:11:25.300 now I will say it's

01:11:27.200 really hard for me to

01:11:27.900 practice that when it

01:11:28.780 comes to members of the

01:11:30.220 IDF and Netanyahu in

01:11:32.840 particular but I think

01:11:34.860 your message is the

01:11:36.380 correct message so I

01:11:37.700 saw this in me I've

01:11:38.660 been brooding about

01:11:39.300 this for the last

01:11:39.860 couple of days because

01:11:40.560 I am worried that the

01:11:41.500 violence will accelerate

01:11:42.420 and I and I've been in

01:11:44.200 countries where this

01:11:44.760 happens it gets to a

01:11:45.620 certain point and you

01:11:47.000 know your cousin gets

01:11:47.880 killed and at that

01:11:48.660 point you just you

01:11:49.620 can't think clearly and

01:11:50.480 you just you know you

01:11:51.520 get swept up in it that

01:11:52.580 is a very familiar cycle

01:11:54.200 to anyone who's seen

01:11:54.760 it so the only way to

01:11:56.860 stop that is by

01:11:57.780 controlling our own

01:11:58.540 behavior and by being

01:11:59.540 honest about it and as

01:12:00.600 I was thinking about

01:12:01.260 this I saw that you

01:12:02.220 apologize to someone

01:12:03.840 publicly for something

01:12:06.120 that you had said

01:12:06.620 about him and I

01:12:07.400 just oh it was weird

01:12:08.640 that we were having

01:12:09.020 the same thoughts at

01:12:09.620 the same time but can

01:12:10.380 you explain that

01:12:11.720 sure so about five

01:12:15.440 years ago Aaron

01:12:17.500 Mate who is a

01:12:19.080 journalist and is

01:12:21.000 actually doing a lot

01:12:21.720 of really great work

01:12:22.520 especially in his

01:12:23.180 coverage of what's

01:12:24.080 happening in Gaza

01:12:24.820 had reported some

01:12:28.660 things that I

01:12:29.220 disagreed with in

01:12:30.100 regard to what was

01:12:30.800 happening in Syria

01:12:31.720 right so I he

01:12:34.060 didn't deny that

01:12:35.060 Bashar al-Assad had

01:12:36.240 in some instances used

01:12:37.280 chemical weapons but

01:12:38.140 there was one

01:12:38.720 particular instance that

01:12:39.960 he was denying and I

01:12:41.500 disagreed with him on

01:12:42.320 that who's right who's

01:12:44.180 wrong that doesn't even

01:12:45.100 matter at this point I

01:12:46.300 don't even know why I

01:12:47.200 allowed that one minor

01:12:48.360 disagreement to

01:12:49.420 basically whip me up

01:12:52.060 into this crazy frenzy

01:12:53.520 and this been there baby

01:12:55.140 all of a sudden I'm like

01:12:58.360 no no Aaron Mate

01:12:59.240 definitely he's getting

01:13:00.460 funded by the Russians

01:13:01.420 definitely and so on

01:13:04.700 TYT one day Cenk and I

01:13:06.680 were discussing Syria and

01:13:08.380 I just blurted that out

01:13:10.060 and you know I was in a

01:13:13.120 different headspace at that

01:13:14.400 time I'd like to think

01:13:15.960 that I've matured a little

01:13:16.780 bit since then and I just

01:13:19.540 kept doubling down I

01:13:20.480 wouldn't apologize there

01:13:22.780 were some circumstantial

01:13:25.580 things that I would point

01:13:26.660 to but really nothing

01:13:27.640 solid to prove that Aaron

01:13:29.380 Mate is funded by the

01:13:30.840 Russians and so over the

01:13:33.800 last year in particular I

01:13:35.320 just kept seeing his his

01:13:37.260 posts on X I actually was

01:13:39.640 on a panel with him on

01:13:40.680 Pierce Morgan show and he

01:13:42.000 and I were very much on the

01:13:43.780 same page in regard to the

01:13:45.080 topic we were discussing

01:13:46.040 and every single time he

01:13:48.400 would come up in my mind I

01:13:49.720 just felt really bad about

01:13:51.220 myself because I smeared

01:13:53.160 him and I never apologized

01:13:54.800 and that's not okay and so

01:13:57.380 I came across another one

01:13:58.420 of his posts today that I

01:13:59.380 liked on X and I was like

01:14:01.240 you know what now is the

01:14:02.160 time it's been five years

01:14:03.420 it's embarrassing that it's

01:14:04.680 been five years now is the

01:14:06.380 time for me to practice

01:14:07.960 what I preach to lead by

01:14:09.260 example and apologize to

01:14:10.940 him unequivocally and he

01:14:14.300 was I was met with grace he

01:14:16.480 was very very kind and he

01:14:17.960 accepted my apology and I'm

01:14:19.120 very grateful for that but

01:14:20.940 there's another point I want

01:14:22.900 to just quickly make about

01:14:23.780 this if you are in the

01:14:25.600 media understand like we

01:14:27.880 are all flawed and you're

01:14:29.780 right Tucker we all do

01:14:31.040 change some for the better

01:14:32.600 some for the worst it is

01:14:34.720 okay to admit when you're

01:14:35.760 wrong it is okay to

01:14:36.840 apologize it doesn't make

01:14:38.600 you I don't know a less

01:14:41.320 credible person if you

01:14:43.100 admit you were wrong and

01:14:44.280 so just something to keep

01:14:45.440 in mind if you happen to be

01:14:46.520 in the media and you've

01:14:47.540 made a mistake or you've

01:14:49.040 accidentally smeared

01:14:49.800 someone or you

01:14:50.540 intentionally smeared

01:14:51.360 someone and then realized

01:14:52.300 it was wrong just

01:14:53.200 apologize and move on

01:14:54.420 I just think it's such a

01:14:56.000 that's such a beautiful

01:14:56.800 story that you just told

01:14:57.880 and really at the heart of

01:14:59.320 everything I care about

01:15:00.340 and I I'm wondering why

01:15:03.220 do you think you're

01:15:03.880 conscious you know because

01:15:04.700 we talk for a living you've

01:15:05.940 talked for a living for

01:15:07.060 20 years something like

01:15:08.020 that that's every day

01:15:10.380 always talking on camera

01:15:11.720 but this followed you for

01:15:13.440 five years I just think

01:15:14.220 it's so interesting that it

01:15:15.300 kept coming back to you

01:15:16.880 what do you think that is

01:15:18.660 and how did you feel

01:15:19.780 after you said that in

01:15:20.680 public today

01:15:21.740 at first I felt scared

01:15:25.240 after I said that in

01:15:26.140 public because you know

01:15:27.180 sometimes you're met with

01:15:28.180 people who even though

01:15:30.280 they're not the ones who

01:15:31.220 got smeared they're not

01:15:32.520 the ones receiving the

01:15:33.220 apology they won't accept

01:15:35.420 it and they just keep

01:15:36.440 doubling down on how

01:15:37.380 you're a terrible person

01:15:38.240 and that's fine that's

01:15:39.380 fair but to my surprise a

01:15:42.120 lot of people were really

01:15:43.000 happy to see that because

01:15:45.540 it's so rare these days

01:15:47.100 especially on social media

01:15:48.440 and look especially over

01:15:52.180 the last I would say three

01:15:54.280 three and a half years I've

01:15:56.040 just personally realized

01:15:57.560 something which was okay

01:16:00.100 what is my identity like am I

01:16:04.020 just Armenian right and I

01:16:06.660 look I love my Armenian

01:16:07.740 heritage absolutely love it

01:16:09.320 but I was born and raised in

01:16:11.260 America and I love this

01:16:13.020 country and if you do love

01:16:15.220 this country engaging in

01:16:17.260 divisive garbage that just

01:16:19.860 tears this country apart

01:16:21.300 that makes Americans turn on

01:16:24.180 one another is really not

01:16:26.300 the way to go and so I just

01:16:28.080 made a decision at some

01:16:29.500 point that I'm not going to

01:16:31.400 engage in that and the only

01:16:33.960 time that I will allow

01:16:35.420 myself a little more freedom

01:16:36.840 in my rhetoric is what I'm

01:16:39.180 referring to a foreign

01:16:40.080 country that is harming us

01:16:42.300 okay yes so in the case of

01:16:45.020 the United States in the

01:16:46.100 case of my fellow Americans

01:16:47.360 in the case of people I

01:16:48.620 disagree with politically

01:16:49.660 let's have that

01:16:50.920 conversation it's okay if it

01:16:52.880 gets fiery I'm known to get

01:16:54.920 very passionate but I hope

01:16:57.060 that the message I'm sending

01:16:58.480 is that again I see the

01:17:01.280 humanity in the person I'm

01:17:02.560 disagreeing with first and

01:17:04.080 foremost and that once the

01:17:06.100 debate is over there's no

01:17:08.560 engaging in the dehumanizing

01:17:11.220 disgusting rhetoric that

01:17:14.420 Mark Levin honestly has been

01:17:16.840 spewing for many many years

01:17:18.900 and now it's being directed

01:17:20.340 toward you because you had

01:17:22.360 the audacity to criticize the

01:17:24.480 foreign country that he seems

01:17:25.660 to care far more about than

01:17:27.120 our own that's the way I see

01:17:28.560 it and I knew this was going

01:17:29.820 to happen Tucker they were

01:17:31.220 waiting for something to pin on

01:17:34.620 you outside of your evidence

01:17:38.260 based critique of what's

01:17:40.380 happening in this US Israel

01:17:42.460 alliance and in fact I had a

01:17:44.860 conversation about this with

01:17:45.860 someone close to me so someone

01:17:47.520 told me look everything that

01:17:49.200 you've been saying about what's

01:17:50.460 happening in Gaza and what

01:17:51.480 Israel's been up to is backed

01:17:54.340 up by evidence right so they

01:17:55.940 can't really come after you for

01:17:57.040 that but what they will do is

01:17:59.740 find you in a moment of

01:18:00.980 weakness where you make a

01:18:02.200 mistake and they'll destroy you

01:18:04.400 so be careful because they're

01:18:05.860 watching that's correct well that

01:18:07.540 that moment never happened or

01:18:09.300 it hasn't happened yet but what

01:18:11.460 I have noticed is they can just

01:18:13.240 take you out of context which

01:18:14.400 has happened yeah and as a

01:18:15.900 result I was met with violence

01:18:17.340 in my own neighborhood by

01:18:18.640 someone who is absolutely

01:18:19.760 convinced that I'm a Jew hater

01:18:21.360 which of course I'm not so

01:18:24.000 that's the kind of situation

01:18:25.160 we're dealing with right now and

01:18:27.600 it's scary but the only thing you

01:18:29.560 can do is really control your own

01:18:32.000 behavior you can't control the

01:18:33.180 behavior of others and I'm

01:18:34.980 hoping that if we lead by

01:18:36.120 example we can get this country

01:18:38.060 to a better place so what let me

01:18:41.020 just say they I've been denounced

01:18:43.960 as America's most dangerous

01:18:45.000 anti-Semite no one ever provides

01:18:48.000 a single that's crazy example of

01:18:49.900 me being anti-semitic because I'm

01:18:51.100 not and if I was I guess I'd

01:18:52.340 probably just say so I just say my

01:18:54.200 views as plainly as I can and I

01:18:56.500 abhor anti-semitism I've always

01:18:58.420 thought that I've always said that so

01:18:59.800 there's no I mean it's a lie but

01:19:02.140 I'm interested I'm not afraid at all

01:19:04.080 however I understand that this is an

01:19:06.520 incitement to violence it clearly is

01:19:08.200 it's intentional they approve of

01:19:10.820 violence they love what's happening

01:19:12.140 in Gaza I don't need more evidence

01:19:13.560 they love violence they don't

01:19:14.820 consider their opponents fully human

01:19:16.160 so tell me what happened you said

01:19:19.440 that these slanders provoked violence

01:19:22.620 against you

01:19:23.160 yes yes so there are these weird dark

01:19:28.600 shadowy organizations we don't know

01:19:31.920 how they're funded some of them we

01:19:33.940 don't even know who are who's behind

01:19:35.780 them but you know one of them is

01:19:37.740 canary mission there's another group

01:19:40.660 called stop anti-semitism I think

01:19:42.500 there's more information about who's

01:19:44.240 behind that group and then there's

01:19:45.900 another group called Jews in school and

01:19:48.700 so these groups realized that they

01:19:52.940 can't get me fired from my job right

01:19:54.820 Cenk Uygur is not gonna fire me because

01:19:56.900 of my critique of Israel so they instead

01:20:00.060 decided to start attacking my husband and

01:20:03.980 they're trying to get him fired from his

01:20:06.220 job even though he's I mean this is like

01:20:08.920 the most apolitical guy when I met him

01:20:11.380 I'm like oh are you into news and

01:20:12.680 politics he's like no like what are you

01:20:14.820 into sports that was it I'm like you're

01:20:18.240 perfect for me good husband I agree

01:20:20.320 right right and I mean they've been

01:20:24.400 relentless and taking me out of context

01:20:26.040 and sure enough one morning as I was

01:20:28.620 walking my dog a woman who I've actually

01:20:30.760 seen in the neighborhood before we had

01:20:32.220 never spoken to each other but you know

01:20:34.280 we've passed by one another without

01:20:36.500 incident she's standing in the middle of

01:20:39.640 the sidewalk just kind of blocking it and

01:20:41.860 her dog is going nuts and she's looking

01:20:44.760 at me with this weird menacing look on

01:20:46.840 her face and you know I'm just I'm

01:20:49.260 really not thinking much of it I'm

01:20:50.580 thinking oh that face is probably because

01:20:52.760 of the fact that her dog is losing its

01:20:54.400 mind she's probably trying to train the

01:20:55.880 dog no big deal I literally try to get

01:20:59.220 around her because she's blocking the

01:21:00.720 sidewalk and I walk into the street and

01:21:02.480 as I'm doing that she starts approaching

01:21:05.440 me with her dog like basically sticking

01:21:07.960 her dog at me and my dog which is like a

01:21:10.880 little 20 pound dog mine is and at that

01:21:13.760 point I take my headphones out I'm

01:21:15.100 listening to music I'm like hey what are

01:21:18.280 you doing and she's like you're a Jew

01:21:20.920 hater I'm like oh my gosh she's actually

01:21:24.320 trying to hurt me with her dog and at that

01:21:26.260 point I try to reason with her at first I'm

01:21:28.960 like no no there's a misunderstanding and

01:21:31.160 she's like screaming at the top of her

01:21:32.700 lungs and to be honest with you at that

01:21:35.060 point I was just like okay I'm critical of a

01:21:40.300 foreign country that is currently killing

01:21:44.220 tens of thousands of children so let me

01:21:47.220 ask you how many children need to be

01:21:48.720 slaughtered for you to be satisfied and at

01:21:52.200 that point like her dog's still going nuts

01:21:54.060 and I realize okay it's stupid for me to

01:21:56.580 keep standing here I'm gonna get my dog to

01:21:59.240 safety and as I'm walking away from her she

01:22:02.180 utters good luck to your husband dealing

01:22:05.520 with you and I was like my husband loves

01:22:08.300 me and her response to that is that's why

01:22:10.940 we're trying to get him fired which told me

01:22:14.280 that she's basically part of an organized

01:22:16.020 group that's trying to destroy my life

01:22:17.980 because I'm critical of Israel yeah and so I

01:22:21.760 am smart enough to understand that it is

01:22:25.880 stupid to conflate people like this with the

01:22:29.900 entire Jewish population I will never let

01:22:32.640 these people win and turn me into an anti-Semite

01:22:35.100 ever ever ever amen my absolute best friend

01:22:38.140 from high school she's my sister I love her

01:22:41.280 she's Jewish I go to Passover Seder with her

01:22:44.340 it's just it's ridiculous to just go around

01:22:46.940 smearing people but here's what I will say

01:22:48.600 this type of behavior is exactly what leads

01:22:54.020 to anti-Semitism because if people feel like

01:22:56.760 they're being targeted like this if people

01:22:58.760 feel like there's a group of people that's

01:23:00.280 trying to destroy their lives their livelihoods

01:23:02.840 make sure that they end up out on the streets

01:23:05.060 with nothing I mean what do you think that

01:23:07.640 inspires in people's hearts anger rage hatred

01:23:12.140 you know Barry Weiss just interviewed Senator

01:23:16.060 John Fetterman and asked like oh what you know

01:23:18.880 why do you think there's this rise in

01:23:20.820 anti-Semitism it's the social media platforms

01:23:23.760 you know it's algorithms how could they do this

01:23:25.820 no Barry we keep seeing children slaughtered

01:23:29.260 and guess what Americans don't like that

01:23:31.260 how about stop slaughtering the children

01:23:33.480 and this issue that you're you know fired up about

01:23:36.820 might actually calm down a little bit

01:23:38.620 but they just don't get it because they think

01:23:41.180 that Israel is entitled to doing what it's doing

01:23:43.880 and I disagree

01:23:44.740 yeah and I don't think that I should be required

01:23:48.960 to pay for it or denounced as a Nazi

01:23:51.020 but it's interesting and very distressing to me

01:23:54.500 since I spent my whole life on the right

01:23:56.300 whatever that is I'm beginning to ask

01:23:57.940 what is that exactly

01:23:58.900 but I thought that one of the pillars

01:24:02.120 of non-liberal thought

01:24:03.620 one of the main reasons Trump got elected

01:24:05.500 last November was because

01:24:07.400 we on the right

01:24:09.460 are opposed to censorship

01:24:11.240 and I sincerely am on the deepest level

01:24:13.480 I would never submit to that

01:24:14.700 under any circumstances

01:24:15.620 because I think it it's the thing

01:24:17.560 that separates the free from the enslaved

01:24:19.660 if you're free you can't tell me

01:24:22.140 what to think or say period

01:24:24.060 and of course it's the most American of all values

01:24:26.840 so I thought that that was a sacrosanct principle

01:24:31.600 and that it would never be violated by anyone

01:24:34.000 and we can disagree

01:24:34.700 but like you could never try to prevent me from saying it

01:24:37.440 and I wake up and maybe I just missed this

01:24:40.180 I didn't know this

01:24:42.020 all of a sudden

01:24:43.320 everybody I know

01:24:45.080 Barry Weiss

01:24:46.180 and that creepy guy from the Babylon Bee

01:24:49.780 and you know all these people

01:24:51.220 it turns out like

01:24:51.860 they spend all day

01:24:53.680 thinking about how to prevent other people from talking

01:24:56.580 and working to prevent other people from talking

01:24:59.060 Barry Weiss

01:24:59.720 is at the top of that list

01:25:01.400 here's a media executive

01:25:02.900 the head of CBS News

01:25:04.640 whose real interest is

01:25:06.440 imposing censorship on the country

01:25:08.280 on behalf of another country

01:25:09.320 I just

01:25:10.040 I don't know does that shock you

01:25:11.800 or maybe I'm just too naive

01:25:12.900 I did not see that coming at all

01:25:14.620 yeah you're a little bit naive

01:25:17.620 so I did see it coming

01:25:19.060 I think I am

01:25:19.720 I agree

01:25:20.300 because the truth is

01:25:22.540 you know

01:25:23.040 there are very few people

01:25:24.860 who are sincere

01:25:26.060 in wanting to protect free speech

01:25:28.240 because as soon as

01:25:30.320 there is speech

01:25:32.100 that offends their sensibilities

01:25:34.820 all of a sudden

01:25:35.960 they're not in favor of protecting free speech

01:25:38.780 so protecting speech matters the most

01:25:43.600 when you are hearing speech you dislike

01:25:46.220 because you have to think about how

01:25:48.820 wanting to censor people

01:25:50.820 who are engaged in rhetoric you don't like

01:25:53.040 is definitely going to come back around to you

01:25:54.900 and you know

01:25:56.780 as someone who has been on the left

01:25:59.580 for most of my adult life right

01:26:01.240 I remember thinking to myself

01:26:02.880 for all the people on the left

01:26:05.460 who are like hell-bent on engaging in censorship

01:26:07.780 do you guys

01:26:08.760 understand history

01:26:10.360 do you know how this is going to work out for you

01:26:12.380 if you keep engaging like this

01:26:13.960 and so I just

01:26:15.220 I just think that

01:26:18.020 what's particularly gross

01:26:20.300 about what's happening in this current moment

01:26:22.200 is that

01:26:23.480 the censorship has to do

01:26:25.900 with speech

01:26:26.960 that is critical of a foreign country

01:26:29.680 that's right

01:26:30.020 and that's unacceptable

01:26:32.240 okay it's unacceptable

01:26:33.660 we are able to

01:26:35.040 be as critical as we want

01:26:36.600 of our own government

01:26:37.720 which should also be protected

01:26:39.240 obviously

01:26:39.980 but the idea

01:26:41.540 that

01:26:42.480 I mean

01:26:43.400 the other thing I want to just quickly say

01:26:45.040 I know this is a little bit

01:26:46.060 of a tangent

01:26:46.640 but I have to get this out

01:26:47.800 Ahmed Ashara

01:26:50.760 playing basketball

01:26:52.940 with members of our military

01:26:54.660 in the United States White House

01:26:56.400 on U.S. soil

01:26:57.940 okay

01:26:59.120 a so-called former

01:27:00.920 Al-Qaeda

01:27:01.420 terrorist

01:27:02.260 visiting New York City

01:27:05.100 for the U.N. General Assembly

01:27:06.880 is such an insult

01:27:08.560 to the American people

01:27:09.820 unacceptable

01:27:11.220 so while you have the Mark Levins

01:27:13.300 and people like him

01:27:14.800 constantly defaming people

01:27:17.060 as jihadists

01:27:18.500 Islamists

01:27:19.380 terrorists

01:27:19.960 hey you got any word about

01:27:21.560 Al-Shara

01:27:22.340 cozying up to the Trump administration

01:27:24.720 are we okay with that?

01:27:26.140 oh he doesn't like Hezbollah

01:27:28.880 okay

01:27:30.040 so I guess he's our ally

01:27:31.340 because he doesn't like Hezbollah

01:27:33.000 it's

01:27:34.320 it's just

01:27:34.840 disgusting

01:27:35.800 how much our government

01:27:37.700 again

01:27:38.160 regardless of which administration

01:27:39.700 we're talking about

01:27:40.480 I mean

01:27:40.840 the

01:27:41.340 the Biden administration

01:27:43.240 probably would have done the same thing

01:27:44.620 to be honest with you

01:27:45.440 right

01:27:45.760 and

01:27:46.100 and it's just

01:27:46.980 sick to me

01:27:47.980 that

01:27:48.480 all of a sudden

01:27:49.320 actual terrorism

01:27:50.560 the terrorism

01:27:51.660 that took out

01:27:52.920 thousands of our own people

01:27:54.520 and ended up dragging us

01:27:56.760 into

01:27:57.320 lengthy wars

01:27:58.660 in the Middle East

01:27:59.260 that killed more of our soldiers

01:28:00.620 and tons of innocent civilians

01:28:02.460 by the way

01:28:03.120 that's okay

01:28:04.060 we're just going to forget about that

01:28:05.400 we're going to wipe the slate clean

01:28:06.620 because

01:28:07.200 this Al-Qaeda terrorist

01:28:08.900 doesn't like Hezbollah

01:28:10.140 and is good for Israel

01:28:11.400 it's insane

01:28:12.300 it's absolutely insane

01:28:13.580 well and the irony is

01:28:14.420 I really want to get that out

01:28:15.240 the irony

01:28:15.680 no and I'm so glad you said that

01:28:17.120 I mean

01:28:17.480 it raises a lot of questions

01:28:18.780 about 9-11

01:28:19.460 by the way

01:28:20.060 I was told that Al-Qaeda did 9-11

01:28:21.920 and killed

01:28:22.620 3,000 Americans

01:28:24.020 and I spent

01:28:25.200 20 years

01:28:26.000 adjusting my life

01:28:26.900 accordingly

01:28:27.340 and covering all this nonsense

01:28:28.760 around the world

01:28:29.500 and really believing that

01:28:31.020 so if that's true

01:28:31.980 how

01:28:33.000 how do we have an Al-Qaeda leader

01:28:34.160 playing basketball

01:28:35.020 with American servicemen

01:28:36.960 A

01:28:38.240 B

01:28:38.800 I was also told that

01:28:40.560 you know

01:28:42.280 the Arab countries are the problem

01:28:43.440 right

01:28:44.020 so I happen to be

01:28:44.900 in an Arab country

01:28:45.800 with

01:28:47.040 you know

01:28:47.680 well connected people

01:28:48.700 in that country

01:28:49.220 people who run that country

01:28:50.120 the day

01:28:51.400 that Assad

01:28:52.380 landed in Moscow

01:28:53.320 and this character

01:28:54.260 took over Syria

01:28:55.120 and I just happened to be there

01:28:56.720 so I asked

01:28:57.640 like who is this guy

01:28:58.460 and they were

01:28:59.380 I mean

01:28:59.740 their instinct was

01:29:00.600 this is bad

01:29:01.380 this guy's like a

01:29:02.380 jihadi

01:29:03.020 he's a radical

01:29:03.680 they hate the jihadis

01:29:04.600 by the way

01:29:04.880 the leaders of

01:29:05.720 prosperous Arab countries

01:29:07.240 probably of all Arab countries

01:29:08.320 because they're a threat to them

01:29:09.420 so they really don't like

01:29:11.280 Islamism

01:29:12.100 I'm sorry Mark Levin

01:29:12.920 who I don't think

01:29:13.860 has ever traveled

01:29:14.280 outside our borders

01:29:14.920 but that's just a fact

01:29:15.800 and

01:29:17.100 they were

01:29:17.980 very wary of this guy

01:29:19.440 extremely wary of him

01:29:20.600 and bothered by the whole thing

01:29:21.880 and they understood

01:29:22.440 that it was Turkey and Israel

01:29:23.460 that did this of course

01:29:24.520 and for their own ends

01:29:26.620 but

01:29:27.480 they didn't like this guy

01:29:28.680 they thought he was too dirty

01:29:29.660 and then

01:29:30.020 so to see him now

01:29:31.220 celebrated

01:29:31.940 at the White House

01:29:33.880 it's like

01:29:34.460 okay

01:29:35.520 so let's talk about 9-11 again

01:29:37.580 you know

01:29:39.420 like

01:29:39.640 what was

01:29:40.240 what was that

01:29:41.200 did

01:29:41.800 did that rate

01:29:42.680 evoke those questions

01:29:43.740 in your mind

01:29:44.320 I mean

01:29:46.500 absolutely

01:29:47.660 but you know

01:29:49.380 Tucker

01:29:49.800 I'm the bad guy

01:29:51.260 because

01:29:51.920 I acknowledged

01:29:53.680 FBI files

01:29:54.800 that detailed

01:29:55.500 the so-called

01:29:56.120 dancing Israelis

01:29:57.040 okay

01:29:57.580 I'm the bad guy

01:29:58.340 but

01:29:59.500 having

01:30:00.920 wait

01:30:01.300 why is that bad

01:30:02.020 why is that bad

01:30:03.080 to have

01:30:03.580 if you have

01:30:04.280 if you arrest foreigners

01:30:05.540 on your soil

01:30:06.240 for celebrating

01:30:06.980 the biggest terror attack

01:30:08.000 in your history

01:30:08.640 why

01:30:09.680 why are you

01:30:10.660 the criminal

01:30:11.260 for just pointing that out

01:30:12.540 well

01:30:14.120 well

01:30:14.500 because they were Israelis

01:30:15.840 of course

01:30:16.520 oh

01:30:17.300 okay

01:30:17.840 it's that simple

01:30:18.540 it's that simple

01:30:19.520 if they were

01:30:21.020 I mean

01:30:21.500 let's

01:30:22.020 let's just be honest here

01:30:23.580 if the

01:30:24.680 individuals

01:30:25.500 who were arrested

01:30:26.920 that day

01:30:28.100 weren't Israeli

01:30:29.380 and were instead

01:30:30.340 let's say

01:30:31.440 Lebanese

01:30:32.500 right

01:30:33.400 or Syrian

01:30:33.880 or anything else

01:30:34.840 um

01:30:36.120 it wouldn't be controversial

01:30:37.880 to talk about that

01:30:38.960 in fact

01:30:39.880 you would be

01:30:40.440 encouraged to talk about that

01:30:41.980 and so

01:30:43.160 it's just

01:30:43.880 it's just

01:30:44.460 the whole thing

01:30:45.580 is sick

01:30:46.680 because

01:30:47.100 I was in high school

01:30:48.220 when 9-11 happened

01:30:49.100 so I remember

01:30:50.200 what America was like

01:30:51.280 prior to 9-11

01:30:52.480 9-11

01:30:53.440 crushed this country

01:30:55.180 yes

01:30:55.660 9-11

01:30:56.400 convinced Americans

01:30:57.600 to give

01:30:58.980 some of their

01:30:59.600 civil liberties

01:31:00.360 away

01:31:00.820 to our

01:31:01.320 to our

01:31:02.080 federal government

01:31:03.160 in the name

01:31:04.060 of national security

01:31:05.120 9-11

01:31:06.400 encouraged

01:31:07.420 the United States

01:31:08.380 to go

01:31:08.960 to the Middle East

01:31:10.500 and engage

01:31:11.040 in wars

01:31:11.480 that we should

01:31:11.980 not have

01:31:12.540 engaged in

01:31:13.460 especially Iraq

01:31:14.680 and

01:31:15.720 it hasn't

01:31:16.600 ended

01:31:16.800 since then

01:31:17.400 I mean

01:31:17.920 9-11

01:31:19.320 is what

01:31:20.240 persuaded

01:31:21.420 the American people

01:31:22.240 that it was

01:31:22.620 a good idea

01:31:23.420 to go

01:31:24.520 into

01:31:24.980 debt

01:31:25.840 in order

01:31:27.040 to fight

01:31:27.440 these wars

01:31:28.020 we had

01:31:28.560 an economic

01:31:29.060 surplus

01:31:29.580 in the beginning

01:31:30.920 of the

01:31:31.640 Bush administration

01:31:32.680 we are now

01:31:33.800 drowning

01:31:34.420 in federal debt

01:31:35.420 38 trillion dollars

01:31:36.640 it's getting worse

01:31:37.380 every single

01:31:38.520 year

01:31:39.080 and

01:31:40.680 just to go

01:31:41.440 back to what

01:31:41.820 you said

01:31:42.060 about Ben Shapiro

01:31:42.800 he and I

01:31:43.820 were debating

01:31:44.280 on a CNN

01:31:44.880 panel

01:31:45.360 where the

01:31:46.380 topic of

01:31:47.440 social security

01:31:48.400 came up again

01:31:49.080 and he just

01:31:49.620 kept talking

01:31:50.060 about how

01:31:50.400 social security

01:31:51.040 is bankrupting

01:31:52.400 this country

01:31:53.380 when I

01:31:54.760 challenged him

01:31:55.460 by mentioning

01:31:56.340 the trillions

01:31:57.680 of dollars

01:31:58.320 the United States

01:31:59.280 has spent

01:31:59.840 on yes

01:32:00.840 supporting Israel

01:32:01.880 through you know

01:32:03.540 military aid

01:32:04.360 but also

01:32:05.200 other things

01:32:05.960 like bribing

01:32:06.640 Egypt

01:32:07.020 to play

01:32:07.400 nice

01:32:07.660 with Israel

01:32:08.240 and the

01:32:08.960 trillions

01:32:09.240 of dollars

01:32:09.660 that we

01:32:10.020 have fought

01:32:10.600 in wars

01:32:12.020 on behalf

01:32:13.120 of Israel

01:32:13.980 you don't think

01:32:14.880 that that's

01:32:15.380 crushing our

01:32:16.100 economy a little

01:32:16.740 bit you don't

01:32:17.120 think that's

01:32:17.560 contributed to

01:32:18.140 our debt

01:32:18.520 far more

01:32:19.500 than our

01:32:20.140 social security

01:32:20.760 system which

01:32:21.400 I will admit

01:32:22.320 yeah there is

01:32:23.980 a funding issue

01:32:24.740 there but

01:32:25.600 Americans have

01:32:26.120 paid into

01:32:26.480 that system

01:32:27.140 Americans are

01:32:28.680 entitled to

01:32:29.320 that system

01:32:29.980 right

01:32:30.340 okay

01:32:30.660 they weren't

01:32:31.660 handed that

01:32:32.620 money

01:32:32.960 that money

01:32:33.680 is the result

01:32:34.420 of their hard

01:32:35.060 work and

01:32:35.460 their contributions

01:32:36.120 to that

01:32:36.440 program

01:32:36.900 what has

01:32:38.220 Israel

01:32:38.620 contributed

01:32:39.080 to the

01:32:39.360 United States

01:32:40.080 and why

01:32:41.120 are they

01:32:41.860 entitled

01:32:42.380 to us

01:32:43.860 literally

01:32:44.480 taking out

01:32:45.940 loans like

01:32:46.660 going into

01:32:47.220 debt just

01:32:47.900 to hand

01:32:48.360 them more

01:32:48.780 money it's

01:32:49.320 insane

01:32:49.820 30 billion

01:32:51.260 dollars since

01:32:52.560 October 7th

01:32:53.660 has been funneled

01:32:54.580 from the United

01:32:55.100 States to

01:32:56.000 Israel for

01:32:56.920 them to carry

01:32:57.440 out what I

01:32:58.000 believe are

01:32:58.520 atrocities in

01:32:59.960 Gaza in the

01:33:01.260 West Bank in

01:33:02.440 Lebanon in

01:33:03.480 Syria in

01:33:04.820 Yemen I mean

01:33:05.400 the list

01:33:06.020 goes on and

01:33:06.800 on and

01:33:07.120 on a name

01:33:07.700 a country

01:33:08.740 they haven't

01:33:09.240 bombed so

01:33:11.060 I just think

01:33:12.640 that it's

01:33:12.960 important to

01:33:13.360 have these

01:33:13.660 conversations and

01:33:14.620 I understand

01:33:15.120 that people

01:33:15.620 like Mark

01:33:16.100 Levin will

01:33:16.780 get very

01:33:17.500 irritated by

01:33:18.300 it will

01:33:18.560 get very

01:33:19.060 offended by

01:33:19.660 it because

01:33:20.160 well he

01:33:21.740 can't respond

01:33:22.340 to it

01:33:22.640 effectively or

01:33:23.560 substantively you

01:33:24.840 can't defend

01:33:25.460 the indefensible

01:33:26.460 the only thing

01:33:27.120 you can try

01:33:27.500 to do is

01:33:27.900 shut people

01:33:28.380 up but

01:33:29.380 some people

01:33:29.760 can't be

01:33:30.360 silenced I'm

01:33:31.940 one of them

01:33:32.380 you're another

01:33:33.280 one of them

01:33:33.780 and they can

01:33:35.340 go ahead and

01:33:35.740 smear us all

01:33:36.420 they want but

01:33:37.320 you know when

01:33:38.600 it comes to

01:33:39.160 the marketplace

01:33:40.560 of ideas I

01:33:42.740 think Americans

01:33:43.300 have spoken in

01:33:44.720 regard to who

01:33:45.240 they agree with

01:33:45.780 the most on

01:33:46.260 this matter and

01:33:46.900 it's because they

01:33:47.620 have felt the

01:33:49.000 economic

01:33:49.500 ramifications of

01:33:51.320 the US alliance

01:33:52.420 with Israel

01:33:53.000 I don't see

01:33:55.160 how this

01:33:57.820 particular set

01:33:59.760 of beliefs

01:34:01.660 wins any

01:34:03.020 election so

01:34:03.840 if you only

01:34:04.440 care about

01:34:05.040 serving a

01:34:05.600 foreign power

01:34:06.220 an irrelevant

01:34:06.920 foreign power

01:34:07.600 you're not

01:34:07.860 getting anything

01:34:08.400 in return for

01:34:09.160 it and you

01:34:10.580 don't care at

01:34:11.280 all about the

01:34:11.960 condition of

01:34:12.480 your own

01:34:12.800 country I

01:34:14.180 just don't see

01:34:14.760 a market for

01:34:15.620 that I mean I

01:34:16.380 disagree with

01:34:16.900 it of course

01:34:17.580 I'm repulsed

01:34:18.320 by it of

01:34:18.880 course but as

01:34:19.800 a sort of

01:34:20.720 matter of

01:34:21.060 democratic

01:34:21.420 principle I

01:34:21.960 don't see how

01:34:22.340 you get to

01:34:22.900 51% in an

01:34:24.160 election with

01:34:24.720 that I just

01:34:25.120 don't think

01:34:25.640 that has a

01:34:26.020 future at

01:34:26.580 all I think

01:34:27.200 most people

01:34:27.620 look at that

01:34:27.940 and like no

01:34:28.500 so why

01:34:31.120 wouldn't there

01:34:31.760 be some

01:34:32.680 convergence from

01:34:34.320 either side

01:34:35.740 all sides

01:34:36.560 why wouldn't

01:34:37.160 you have

01:34:37.500 like a

01:34:37.840 true let's

01:34:39.220 just argue

01:34:39.780 about what

01:34:40.140 to do to

01:34:40.980 help America

01:34:41.520 party like

01:34:42.600 isn't that

01:34:43.060 inevitable

01:34:43.560 I feel like

01:34:45.940 that's in

01:34:46.660 some regard

01:34:47.660 forming

01:34:48.420 already

01:34:48.880 you know

01:34:51.120 the two

01:34:52.040 party system

01:34:52.780 I don't

01:34:53.340 think bodes

01:34:53.960 well for

01:34:54.420 the American

01:34:55.000 populace

01:34:56.320 like I

01:34:56.640 think what

01:34:57.240 actually makes

01:34:57.940 a lot more

01:34:58.400 sense is

01:34:59.560 maybe don't

01:35:00.780 fully disregard

01:35:01.380 labels if

01:35:02.120 that's something

01:35:02.920 that you're into

01:35:03.520 you want to

01:35:04.060 think about

01:35:04.740 labels but

01:35:06.020 consider that

01:35:07.040 there are

01:35:07.760 areas of

01:35:08.380 agreement

01:35:08.760 actually vast

01:35:09.720 areas of

01:35:10.180 agreement

01:35:10.440 between the

01:35:11.540 two sides

01:35:12.160 especially as

01:35:12.820 it pertains

01:35:13.380 to foreign

01:35:14.340 policy especially

01:35:15.480 at this current

01:35:16.220 moment so

01:35:17.360 the idea

01:35:18.500 that I

01:35:19.260 wouldn't be

01:35:19.780 willing to

01:35:20.820 align myself

01:35:22.640 with someone

01:35:23.660 on the right

01:35:24.280 who I might

01:35:24.920 have a ton

01:35:25.600 of other

01:35:25.900 disagreements

01:35:26.440 with but

01:35:27.360 we have the

01:35:28.020 agreement on

01:35:28.880 hey we need

01:35:29.520 to find a

01:35:31.000 way to

01:35:31.680 organize and

01:35:33.020 get our

01:35:33.860 federal government

01:35:34.600 to prioritize

01:35:35.320 us I'm going to

01:35:36.340 work with people

01:35:36.960 who agree with

01:35:37.800 me on that I

01:35:38.720 don't care where

01:35:39.160 they land on the

01:35:39.700 political spectrum

01:35:40.400 you know

01:35:40.960 and if they're

01:35:42.480 willing to admit

01:35:43.360 fault in public

01:35:45.000 in a sincere way

01:35:46.280 anyone who will

01:35:47.000 do that is an

01:35:48.020 ally of mine

01:35:48.680 whether they

01:35:49.200 regard me as an

01:35:49.880 ally is another

01:35:50.360 question but I

01:35:51.060 regard anyone

01:35:52.040 willing to do

01:35:52.580 that as an

01:35:52.960 ally both for

01:35:53.740 moral reasons

01:35:54.380 it's my religion

01:35:55.240 but also for

01:35:56.800 practical reasons

01:35:57.440 the only reason

01:35:58.300 that we bombed

01:35:59.760 ineffectively bombed

01:36:01.260 the nuclear sites

01:36:02.200 in Iran is

01:36:03.100 because no one

01:36:03.880 ever acknowledged

01:36:05.140 that Iraq was a

01:36:06.740 mistake Libya was a

01:36:07.660 mistake Afghanistan

01:36:08.560 the 20 year

01:36:09.460 occupation was a

01:36:10.180 mistake

01:36:10.560 having nothing

01:36:11.360 to do with how

01:36:11.680 we withdrew we

01:36:12.340 shouldn't have

01:36:12.660 been there for

01:36:13.420 20 years it was

01:36:14.680 all a mistake and

01:36:15.540 nobody ever

01:36:16.760 admitted it much

01:36:17.600 less took

01:36:17.900 responsibility much

01:36:18.700 less accepted

01:36:19.640 punishment or

01:36:21.000 sanction for it

01:36:21.800 and if you don't

01:36:22.860 do that it

01:36:24.120 doesn't get better

01:36:24.780 it just gets

01:36:25.240 worse

01:36:25.720 well what's

01:36:28.000 amazing is how

01:36:29.760 quickly people

01:36:30.680 not only forget

01:36:32.360 about all the

01:36:33.340 lies that were

01:36:33.860 told to the

01:36:34.400 American people to

01:36:35.540 manufacture consent

01:36:36.860 to get us into

01:36:37.680 that war that

01:36:38.360 preemptive war in

01:36:39.120 Iraq

01:36:39.520 Iraq even

01:36:40.800 people who

01:36:41.300 remember for

01:36:43.380 some reason

01:36:44.140 allow themselves

01:36:45.260 to be propagandized

01:36:46.660 into believing

01:36:47.320 that Iran is a

01:36:49.060 real threat to

01:36:50.160 America

01:36:50.880 right and if

01:36:53.300 Iran was really a

01:36:54.180 threat to America

01:36:54.860 I don't think

01:36:56.620 they would hit the

01:36:57.760 US government up

01:36:58.700 and let us know

01:36:59.880 hey just to save

01:37:01.720 face with our

01:37:02.320 population since you

01:37:03.680 attacked us and

01:37:04.620 our nuclear sites

01:37:05.580 we're gonna drop

01:37:06.880 a few missiles

01:37:08.080 in this area

01:37:09.580 near a US air

01:37:10.720 base but we

01:37:11.160 want you to

01:37:11.540 evacuate all your

01:37:12.520 soldiers because

01:37:13.680 we don't want

01:37:14.080 anyone to get

01:37:14.640 killed

01:37:15.120 yeah real

01:37:16.460 threat to the

01:37:17.500 United States

01:37:18.240 okay in reality

01:37:20.020 Iran is a threat

01:37:20.940 Iran is a threat

01:37:21.820 to Israel there's

01:37:23.200 no question about

01:37:23.940 that yes because

01:37:24.920 Iran is now the

01:37:26.960 only country left

01:37:28.080 that isn't willing

01:37:30.160 to sit by and

01:37:32.500 allow Israel to

01:37:34.020 engage in an

01:37:34.860 expansionist project

01:37:36.040 that involves

01:37:37.660 slaughter land

01:37:39.440 theft and really

01:37:41.600 much of what we've

01:37:42.420 been seeing over the

01:37:43.040 last two years

01:37:43.720 you said a few

01:37:45.900 minutes ago that

01:37:46.580 you're proud to be

01:37:47.460 Armenian but that

01:37:49.840 fundamentally you're

01:37:51.760 American and that

01:37:53.780 suggests to me that

01:37:54.840 the idea of my

01:37:56.480 group versus your

01:37:57.300 group zero sum

01:37:59.180 identity politics

01:38:00.300 you're rejecting

01:38:02.340 that in favor of

01:38:03.920 some more

01:38:04.260 universalist

01:38:05.040 connection to

01:38:06.420 other people

01:38:06.920 we're all kind

01:38:07.580 of in this

01:38:08.060 together

01:38:08.440 yeah in favor

01:38:10.880 of America

01:38:12.620 and Americans

01:38:13.460 absolutely because

01:38:15.000 if you you know

01:38:16.420 my brother actually

01:38:17.060 confronted me about

01:38:17.740 this and I think

01:38:18.300 he made a really

01:38:18.760 good point it made

01:38:19.780 me start thinking

01:38:20.440 differently you

01:38:22.240 know he kind

01:38:22.640 of referred to

01:38:23.600 America devolving

01:38:25.120 into like a

01:38:25.960 commuter country

01:38:26.980 right where people

01:38:29.100 come here and

01:38:30.480 they they don't

01:38:33.320 see themselves as

01:38:34.320 Americans they're

01:38:35.400 born here they

01:38:36.020 don't see themselves

01:38:36.720 as Americans they

01:38:37.640 kind of see this as

01:38:38.580 like the land of

01:38:39.400 opportunity but they

01:38:42.280 think my identity is

01:38:44.280 not an American my

01:38:45.320 identity is I'm

01:38:47.440 white I'm black I'm

01:38:48.920 Latino I'm Armenian

01:38:50.100 whatever and you

01:38:52.060 kind of like segregate

01:38:53.080 yourself into these

01:38:54.260 like high school like

01:38:55.420 cliques where everyone

01:38:56.500 else is your enemy

01:38:57.460 right and it's yeah

01:38:58.740 you can't be thinking

01:38:59.980 about Americans that

01:39:01.800 way there has to be

01:39:02.800 something that bonds

01:39:04.440 us together an

01:39:05.740 identity that brings

01:39:07.220 us together and that

01:39:08.300 identity is that we

01:39:09.400 are Americans we

01:39:10.800 should want to see

01:39:11.680 this country thrive and

01:39:13.600 I think a lot of

01:39:14.260 people who do

01:39:14.960 immigrate to this

01:39:15.720 country want to see

01:39:16.900 this country thrive they

01:39:17.880 love this country and

01:39:19.320 they hate what has

01:39:20.180 happened to their

01:39:20.780 country right the

01:39:21.480 freedoms that they

01:39:22.860 were not afforded in

01:39:23.960 their country of

01:39:24.700 origin but make no

01:39:26.640 mistake about it if

01:39:27.720 you are here and you

01:39:29.660 think well I'm just

01:39:31.420 here to reap the

01:39:32.260 benefits of what this

01:39:33.780 country offers but I

01:39:34.920 don't really care about

01:39:35.740 the Armenian the

01:39:36.620 American identity or

01:39:38.200 experience I just then

01:39:41.540 you don't get it you

01:39:42.240 just don't get it I

01:39:43.140 mean I don't know what

01:39:43.840 else to say one of the

01:39:45.460 things that I disagree

01:39:46.760 with Ben Shapiro most

01:39:47.900 strongly on and I just

01:39:49.600 want to be clear I don't

01:39:50.160 hate Ben Shapiro at all

01:39:51.720 and we disagree

01:39:53.220 obviously on the use

01:39:54.440 of force on Israel

01:39:56.020 strongly but that

01:39:58.580 doesn't make me

01:39:59.260 emotional Ben is

01:40:00.220 looking at the world

01:40:00.860 from a completely

01:40:01.440 different perspective

01:40:02.080 which I reject but I'm

01:40:03.600 not mad about it what

01:40:04.460 makes me mad is the

01:40:06.400 way that he describes

01:40:07.140 the United States as

01:40:08.200 like this economic

01:40:08.920 zone totally divorced

01:40:11.000 from the actual people

01:40:12.280 who live there and

01:40:13.520 their customs and

01:40:14.900 their history and

01:40:15.780 their instincts and

01:40:16.820 their connections to

01:40:17.500 each other and to

01:40:18.500 regions to physical

01:40:19.860 reality he has no

01:40:21.700 regard for that at

01:40:22.600 all in the way that

01:40:23.680 big companies have no

01:40:24.580 regard for that at

01:40:25.520 all like shut up and

01:40:26.620 freeze your eggs and

01:40:27.160 get back to work and

01:40:28.020 I feel like that's

01:40:30.180 dehumanizing doesn't

01:40:31.160 quite describe that

01:40:33.020 attitude it's an

01:40:34.260 attitude that doesn't

01:40:35.360 see people as human

01:40:36.560 and in the service of

01:40:38.640 what making money I

01:40:39.820 mean it's everything

01:40:40.880 about that I dislike I

01:40:42.240 feel like that's never

01:40:42.880 challenged on the right

01:40:43.880 increasingly it's not

01:40:44.920 challenged on the left

01:40:45.700 either it used to be big

01:40:47.060 time less and less but

01:40:49.080 certainly on the right

01:40:49.820 people anyone who

01:40:50.920 challenges it is to

01:40:51.800 write it as a

01:40:52.280 socialist I'm not

01:40:53.000 quite sure what that

01:40:53.540 means I don't think I'm

01:40:54.640 a socialist never have

01:40:55.800 been but I don't think

01:40:57.460 that we should tell

01:40:58.380 people that they have

01:41:00.180 no right to live in the

01:41:01.420 town where they were

01:41:02.080 born like okay so who

01:41:03.660 are we serving here what

01:41:05.060 is the point of this

01:41:05.740 exercise to maximize

01:41:07.200 maximize profits to

01:41:08.600 you like what I don't

01:41:10.240 know like what is that

01:41:11.280 well the first thing I

01:41:13.680 thought of as I

01:41:15.240 listened to Ben

01:41:16.300 Shapiro make that

01:41:16.940 argument was oh so I

01:41:20.100 shouldn't have the

01:41:20.720 ability to stay close to

01:41:22.380 my family like think

01:41:23.820 about yeah think about

01:41:25.200 what ties you to the

01:41:26.800 community you live in

01:41:27.800 right the community you

01:41:29.020 grew up in it's your

01:41:30.540 family it's your friends

01:41:32.960 it's your job a lot of

01:41:35.520 people aren't able to

01:41:36.640 work remotely and part of

01:41:38.680 the reason why it's so

01:41:39.420 expensive to live in you

01:41:41.540 know some of these cities

01:41:42.480 cities or the most

01:41:43.520 expensive parts of this

01:41:44.940 country is because

01:41:45.780 whether we like it or

01:41:46.860 not a lot of the jobs

01:41:48.160 are concentrated there

01:41:49.440 so I would love nothing

01:41:50.700 more than to live in a

01:41:52.320 part of the country that

01:41:53.180 isn't as overcrowded as

01:41:55.480 LA is to be honest with

01:41:56.840 you like I want to be in

01:41:57.800 nature I want a little

01:41:58.760 more of a rural

01:41:59.420 experience but I don't

01:42:00.800 have that luxury because

01:42:02.140 I do have to work and my

01:42:03.880 job is located here in

01:42:05.000 Los Angeles and any other

01:42:07.220 media job I want unless I

01:42:08.960 work for myself is going

01:42:10.320 to be in a big city like

01:42:12.140 New York so it's just

01:42:15.320 this really interesting

01:42:17.000 idea like I don't think

01:42:18.800 most Americans are

01:42:20.020 walking around feeling

01:42:21.060 entitled like most

01:42:22.180 Americans aren't thinking

01:42:23.200 to themselves hey you

01:42:24.620 know what I'm a bum and I

01:42:26.000 sit on the couch all day

01:42:27.060 and I don't make any

01:42:27.800 money but I deserve to

01:42:29.320 live in a multi-million

01:42:30.520 dollar mansion paid for

01:42:31.820 by the United States

01:42:32.560 government no there are

01:42:34.700 countless Americans in

01:42:36.220 this country who work more

01:42:38.540 than 40 hours a week and

01:42:40.280 still can't make ends

01:42:41.760 meet something is broken

01:42:43.180 in the system and putting

01:42:45.700 the onus on Americans and

01:42:47.300 making them out to be

01:42:48.180 lazy bums is what offends

01:42:49.580 me the most to be honest

01:42:50.660 well sure when Ben Shapiro

01:42:52.120 says blaming the system

01:42:53.540 rather than blaming

01:42:54.760 yourself your own lack of

01:42:56.000 creativity initiative

01:42:56.840 intelligence whatever your

01:42:57.920 problem is is immoral and

01:43:00.940 that is a kind of long time

01:43:03.040 refrain on the so-called

01:43:04.680 right and there are things

01:43:05.620 about it that I agree with I

01:43:06.900 do think you should blame

01:43:07.740 yourself first I'm trying to

01:43:09.460 force myself to be in the

01:43:10.320 habit of that I did

01:43:11.020 something wrong I'm going

01:43:11.700 to admit it I think that's

01:43:12.600 really important for the

01:43:14.020 sake of preserving your

01:43:14.720 soul and also by the way

01:43:16.160 you get credibility when

01:43:16.960 you're honest about yourself

01:43:17.860 it's easy to be honest about

01:43:18.820 other people you're fat but

01:43:21.140 it's hard to say I'm fat

01:43:22.340 right so like I agree with

01:43:24.540 it on one level but it's

01:43:27.860 also just not true like we

01:43:29.900 are subject to forces that

01:43:32.020 we can't control it's just a

01:43:33.500 fact I didn't write the tax

01:43:34.620 code for example I don't have

01:43:37.220 any control over the hiring

01:43:38.700 standards at various companies

01:43:40.320 or the admission standards at

01:43:41.460 various schools those are

01:43:43.880 systemic problems it's just

01:43:45.320 it's just a fact they are

01:43:47.000 systems those are rules

01:43:49.000 written by other people over

01:43:50.360 which I have no control so

01:43:51.460 for Ben Shapiro to say it's

01:43:54.120 outrageous it's a conspiracy

01:43:55.540 theory to blame the system

01:43:57.340 does make me suspect maybe

01:43:58.660 you're a beneficiary of a

01:43:59.880 system that you can't

01:44:00.540 actually defend and so you're

01:44:02.280 attacking me for asking

01:44:03.440 questions about that system

01:44:04.400 that's just my reaction to

01:44:05.680 what he said I mean it

01:44:08.040 comes across that way for

01:44:09.240 sure obviously I don't know

01:44:11.020 what the motivations of Ben

01:44:12.240 Shapiro really happened to

01:44:13.360 me what I do know is that

01:44:15.440 when it comes to government

01:44:18.240 handouts he never really

01:44:21.300 seems to have a problem with

01:44:22.220 the government handouts that

01:44:23.140 get sent abroad right to

01:44:25.300 other countries you get what

01:44:26.840 I'm saying so there's that

01:44:28.380 but you know the the other

01:44:30.980 thing is even if you're

01:44:34.080 doing well even if you're

01:44:35.640 affluent do you really want

01:44:37.840 to live in a country where

01:44:38.800 as soon as you walk outside

01:44:39.820 your door there's a massive

01:44:41.060 homeless encampment oh I

01:44:42.740 agree you know do you really

01:44:44.880 want to live in a country

01:44:45.540 like that because I don't do

01:44:47.260 you want to live in a country

01:44:48.100 where close to a hundred

01:44:49.700 thousand of your fellow

01:44:51.800 Americans are dying of drug

01:44:53.200 overdoses and our government

01:44:54.840 seems to not really care much

01:44:56.660 and in fact exploits that as a

01:44:58.800 talking point to justify a

01:45:01.020 potential war with Venezuela

01:45:02.520 which has nothing to do with

01:45:03.800 fentanyl by the way I know so

01:45:07.280 yeah and what actually last

01:45:09.420 question on this but I just

01:45:10.480 want to clear it up so played

01:45:13.620 that tape of Ben you know

01:45:15.840 attacking me because I really

01:45:17.820 like Venezuela's anti-usury laws

01:45:20.960 sorry I do don't think you

01:45:22.960 should charge 600 percent

01:45:24.300 interest annually on a payday

01:45:25.840 loan I don't think that should

01:45:26.780 be allowed period so I guess

01:45:29.280 I'm a socialist but I think

01:45:31.040 it's predatory and cruel and

01:45:32.820 it's it's slavery so no but in

01:45:36.800 that litany he said you know

01:45:39.780 Maduro's bad okay I'm sure you

01:45:42.020 know he's a dictatorial seems to

01:45:44.000 be and he's importing fentanyl

01:45:46.340 into the United States not

01:45:48.220 meaningfully true probably true in

01:45:50.380 some you know but but he's not

01:45:51.940 Venezuela is not the main source

01:45:53.260 of fentanyl in the United States

01:45:53.920 it's not even close that's

01:45:54.620 Mexico so established like that's

01:45:56.800 not true what he said so what is

01:45:59.120 the motive in regime changing

01:46:01.380 Maduro and to you know toppling

01:46:03.860 the government of Venezuela what is

01:46:05.060 what is the motive there do you

01:46:06.100 know you know it's I think there

01:46:10.660 are multiple different motives

01:46:12.180 including the fact that former

01:46:14.560 Senator Marco Rubio current

01:46:15.820 secretary of state is a Cuban

01:46:18.260 American has had an axe to grind

01:46:20.380 with Venezuela because of the fact

01:46:22.540 Venezuela is aligned with Cuba and

01:46:25.080 look your sick little personal pet

01:46:28.320 project shouldn't be something that

01:46:30.020 the United States is dragged into

01:46:31.340 and is forced to fund but the other

01:46:33.800 thing I think you know it's funny

01:46:37.520 when the Venezuela story started

01:46:38.860 developing I'm like oh yes finally

01:46:40.600 like a foreign policy story where we

01:46:42.100 don't have to talk about Israel but

01:46:44.120 apparently according to Senator

01:46:45.920 Lindsey Graham there's some weird

01:46:48.540 connection with Hezbollah which I

01:46:50.920 don't I is that true I have no idea

01:46:54.460 but I don't care I don't care like

01:46:57.680 are we gonna go to war with every

01:47:01.900 country that allegedly supports a

01:47:05.420 militia or a group of people that

01:47:08.100 are critical of or not in favor of or

01:47:11.380 even at war with Israel like that's

01:47:13.640 crazy

01:47:14.160 that does seem to be the criterion I

01:47:18.220 heard Lindsey Graham say that and I

01:47:20.440 was reminded that I just you know I'm

01:47:23.160 against the 1983 barracks bombing in

01:47:25.440 Beirut of course it killed all those

01:47:27.320 Marines apparently that was Hezbollah

01:47:29.200 I think it's a little more complicated

01:47:31.260 than that is my very informed

01:47:34.100 impression however I'm against that

01:47:36.660 they did it I'm mad but as a practical

01:47:39.300 matter that was 42 years ago Hezbollah

01:47:42.160 does not play a meaningful role in the

01:47:44.340 decline of the United States that I

01:47:45.500 have noticed so like if you're really

01:47:47.060 obsessed with Hamas Hezbollah and to

01:47:50.000 the exclusion of the issues that

01:47:51.620 actually affect our country that tells

01:47:52.920 me right there that you're not serving

01:47:54.740 our country right mm-hmm yeah I mean

01:47:58.100 yes and also listen if you're worried

01:48:01.360 about terrorist groups that could

01:48:04.700 potentially harm Israel or have harmed

01:48:06.600 Israel take it up with Netanyahu who

01:48:09.000 propped up Hamas and facilitated Hamas's

01:48:11.520 funding I mean I think that's something

01:48:14.440 that should be considered and that's

01:48:16.840 never talked about that's never

01:48:17.980 discussed so currently Israel with the

01:48:20.840 help of the United States is funding

01:48:22.660 these terrorist militias within Gaza one

01:48:28.160 of which Abu Shabab by the way is the

01:48:30.360 leader of one of them I think it's

01:48:31.540 called the popular front he has ties to

01:48:34.800 other terrorist groups like ISIS so why

01:48:39.300 why are we cool with Israel providing

01:48:41.780 arms to that group that seems like

01:48:44.900 basically setting things up for the

01:48:47.400 future terrorist group that the United

01:48:49.920 States will be goaded into helping Israel

01:48:52.180 fight it's it's so obvious if you're

01:48:55.180 paying attention so look to answer your

01:48:58.640 question if it's not harming US national

01:49:01.500 security I don't think we should be

01:49:04.580 involved unless you know there might be

01:49:07.720 some rare instances where it does make

01:49:09.300 sense to get involved right maybe

01:49:10.740 there's some sort of alliance that

01:49:13.080 we're part of and we want to protect

01:49:14.480 our ally but I mean bounds of reason

01:49:17.960 obviously with Israel there are no

01:49:20.320 bounds of reason there are no limits and

01:49:23.340 Americans are just expected to shut up

01:49:25.580 and take it and some of us have decided

01:49:28.060 no we're not going to shut up and take

01:49:29.640 it this is wrong our people are suffering

01:49:32.400 and our priority our priority should be

01:49:34.800 here at home that was the winning

01:49:37.060 message that Trump campaigned on I know

01:49:40.720 so put your money where your mouth is

01:49:43.100 please makes me sad to think about it

01:49:45.340 Anna Kasparian clear thinker a good

01:49:47.480 person as you proved today I think I

01:49:50.060 really appreciate your spending all this

01:49:51.340 time thank you very much thank you

01:49:53.820 Tucker

01:49:54.080 thanks so much for joining us we'll be

01:49:57.600 back next Wednesday

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The Tucker Carlson Show - November 13, 2025

Tucker Carlson on the Israel First Meltdown and the Future of the America First Movement

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