The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker Carlson, RFK Jr, and Larry Elder React to Second Trump Shooting

00:00:00.000 Thank you, thank you. I'm really happy to, I'm really happy to be here.

00:00:14.720 It's, I've spent, thank you.

00:00:20.400 It's so funny. I was just in this building in July. I had no idea it was the same building

00:00:36.000 until it was pulling up tonight. I was like, that looks very familiar.

00:00:41.280 I'm so grateful to be here. I am actually. And I just want to be clear, I like every part of

00:00:49.680 the United States. I'm from here. I was born here. I will die here. Hopefully not too soon.

00:00:56.880 But I've made that commitment and I'm going to be buried near my dogs.

00:01:01.680 So, but I love the whole country. I grew up on one coast. I live on the other. Whoever

00:01:05.280 clapped for me being buried next to my dogs, I like you because I feel that way.

00:01:10.960 But I have to say, and this is not pandering. This is totally sincere.

00:01:15.360 I especially love this part of the Midwest. I just love it.

00:01:20.640 And I love it for incredibly shallow reasons that I'll just, first of all, I love to hunt and fish

00:01:30.160 here. I love your muskies. I love your grouse. The friends who I go on an annual hunting trip with

00:01:37.280 in two weeks. The first thing I'm doing when I get off tour is coming back to Wisconsin

00:01:40.560 to catch your fish and try to shoot your birds. I probably won't. Don't worry. They're safe.

00:01:49.040 But the real reason I love the Midwest, particularly this part of it is because I married a girl from

00:01:53.840 this area. And I just love the accent. I think it's hilarious. I've been with her 40 years next

00:02:02.160 week. I met her 40 years ago next week. And when I first started dating her, I thought, you know,

00:02:08.480 I'm sure the accent will sort of lighten up a little bit, you know, over time. It has not at all.

00:02:17.040 It's still a car, a car, which is like a motor vehicle.

00:02:20.160 If I say to my dogs, let's go to the park, they look at me like, what? But if I say the park,

00:02:27.600 bam, they're up. And so I associate that accent with niceness and particularly nice women. So I'm

00:02:35.360 walking through downtown Milwaukee today and I hear people speaking in this accent and I almost want 1.00

00:02:41.280 to walk up and introduce myself and be like, oh, it's so nice to meet you. And I thought, you know,

00:02:45.120 maybe, I don't know, maybe you get shot doing that. But everyone actually was nice. I just think

00:02:51.120 it's the, it's just the sweetest part of the country. So thank you so much. We have it even

00:02:57.440 in my kitchen, the Midwestern sensibility. We're very big on meatloaf in my house, actually. I don't

00:03:03.360 even know if they still serve it here, but in the seventies in the Midwest, everyone ate meatloaf

00:03:07.200 every day. And so we still do. So the reason that it's funny, the reason that we're doing this tour,

00:03:15.040 we're doing, this is where this is our eighth night and we're doing the entire month of September.

00:03:19.520 And the real reason I wanted to do it was it became, we, I now work on the internet.

00:03:24.400 Um, and before then I worked in television and the frustrating thing about, I know. Yeah. Okay.

00:03:30.000 Um, the frustrating thing about both of them is, you know, there's a lot of censorship and now more

00:03:35.920 than ever. And so I just thought to myself, the one thing that you can't censor is a live event.

00:03:41.520 You know, you can really be completely honest because the people are right there. And if you're,

00:03:48.480 you know, in a room full of thousands of people, you can feel, you know, very strong. Now I'm

00:03:54.000 revealing I'm from California, but a vibe coming off the people. And it's just wonderful. And people

00:03:59.680 can be as honest as they want, which is extremely honest. And so I thought, I just need to do that

00:04:05.360 after spending all day worried about what YouTube is doing to our videos. I just want to get out and

00:04:09.680 talk to people directly. So after eight days, I'm thinking, you know, maybe I overstated it,

00:04:14.480 you know, maybe the censorship, the distortion of the facts, the lying, the massive deception

00:04:19.680 machine I've been a part of for 33 years now in the media. Maybe it's not as bad as I thought.

00:04:26.000 And then someone tries to shoot Trump again. Um, I was here actually the last time someone tried to

00:04:32.320 shoot Trump around. I was here in this room. Um, and now I'm back again, two days after. And I,

00:04:39.280 I am shocked watching the lying in real time. Shocked. Um, I was, was it two days ago?

00:04:49.040 And all of a sudden we're getting these reports. I call in there and get all the facts. And then I

00:04:52.880 thought, you know, what are they saying in the media about it? So the first thing, if you tuned in,

00:04:56.080 that you learned was, um, that he was shot by a Trump supporter, which totally makes sense. 0.97

00:05:03.600 The guy loved him so much. He, you know, brought a rifle to the golf course and tried to murder him.

00:05:07.520 I mean, that's kind of the way it works. It's like Putin blowing up his own natural gas pipeline.

00:05:11.200 That makes sense. Totally. He's so evil. He's attacking himself. Right.

00:05:17.200 Self-harm being like sort of the natural. Um, and I'm, I'm watching this. They're literally

00:05:25.760 telling me that this guy whom they've arrested is a Trump supporter. Huh? So you flip channels

00:05:31.920 and then you learn that I flipped over to a channel I used to work on. And there's Lindsey Graham.

00:05:38.640 And I know, I know, I know. He's a Republican Senator from one of the most conservative states.

00:05:45.600 How does that happen? By the way, if democracy is real, how is Lindsey Graham a senator? But whatever.

00:05:51.760 So I'm watching Lindsey Graham and Lindsey Graham's looking right into the camera. He's like, you know,

00:05:55.280 who did this Iran? Iran? So I looked into this. Yeah, that's for sure. Well, it turns out someone 0.99

00:06:04.240 who's yelled warmonger. Well, the guy who shot Trump was also a warmonger. And in fact, the closer you

00:06:09.920 look at it, the more you realize his politics are exactly the same as Lindsey Graham's.

00:06:15.040 He's a neocon. He literally volunteered in Ukraine. And Lindsey Graham's like, no, Iran did. It's like,

00:06:24.320 no, you have no opinions that are different from this guy's. And you're lying to me. And the audience

00:06:30.720 I used to speak to five nights a week, you were lying to them. I'm shouting this in my hotel room. Nobody

00:06:36.240 heard me. My wife was brushing her teeth. She's like, what is that? They're lying.

00:06:42.880 It drove me completely insane.

00:06:47.600 And there's no mention of the fact that this guy who, by the way, has been interviewed by every

00:06:52.320 media outlet in Washington, this guy was like a very famous guy. You may not even know this.

00:06:57.760 There's only really one place to learn any facts at all. And that's Elon Musk's social media app.

00:07:07.760 It's crazy. I don't have a TV at home, so I'm spared most of this. I have no idea what's going on. By

00:07:14.240 the way, I strongly recommend ignorance. If you're looking to stay happy in a moment like this, just 0.69

00:07:20.080 know less. Unfortunately, my job requires me to know more. But if you think about it,

00:07:24.800 did God punish Adam and Eve for ignorance? I don't think he did. He punished them for knowledge,

00:07:31.920 so maybe I shouldn't watch cable news. This was my... I don't want to know what they're saying,

00:07:37.280 but this week I've had to pay close attention. And every single thing is a lie, either directly,

00:07:44.000 or it's a lie much more prevalent and much more sinister. It's a lie by omission. They're just not

00:07:51.200 telling you the facts. And without belaboring the point, I'm using this as just one example among a

00:07:57.360 countless number of examples where reality is completely distorted and the average person has

00:08:03.200 not only no idea, but no way of knowing what the truth is. So the guy who is now in custody for

00:08:08.640 attempted murder against the Republican nominee, the former U.S. president, Donald Trump, that guy has

00:08:15.600 been interviewed countless times by every big media outlet in the United States. He's got, you know,

00:08:21.440 a criminal record, the length of your arm, 20 charges, including possession of weapons of mass

00:08:26.240 destruction. The New York Times didn't bother learning any of that before they held him up as

00:08:29.920 a freedom fighter in Ukraine where he was living. And then the piece describes the contact he's had

00:08:35.760 with members of Congress and their staffs and other U.S. government agencies. You're like, wait a second,

00:08:40.400 that's the same guy who brought a rifle with a scope to a golf course in South Florida to murder

00:08:46.240 Donald Trump. And he's had all these contacts with U.S. government agencies. He's like, I don't know

00:08:50.000 what that's about, but I think it's time to find out. No? Yes. But no one's going to find out.

00:09:01.120 It's just going to be memory-holding. In a week, it will never have happened. And you'll be the crazy

00:09:05.680 person for remembering. People are like, what? Didn't some Trump supporter bring a rifle because

00:09:12.000 you're against gun control or something? It's like, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what happened.

00:09:16.320 A guy who was a darling of the New York Times, who has the exact same worldview as Lindsey Graham,

00:09:23.040 decided to try and murder Donald Trump. And it will be completely gone. It will have disappeared.

00:09:28.160 And so I guess what I would say is that it's of vital importance to get unfiltered information from

00:09:35.200 honest people. Now, how do you know honest people? How do you know if someone is being honest? It's

00:09:39.360 very hard. But one of the main reasons you know, I don't know what you're saying, but I know that

00:09:44.960 I agree with you. If I could hear you, I would shout back whatever you're shouting because I feel like

00:09:50.160 you're on. From the pitch of your voice, I can tell you're onto something.

00:09:57.360 Well, I love you too. I heard that.

00:09:58.960 So here's the answer to the question. How do you know if someone is telling the truth?

00:10:07.200 And this has been my obsession for the last year, having worked in the middle of the deception

00:10:13.200 machine and not even realizing it. You know, until the day you get fired, you're like, what was it

00:10:17.520 like having an alcoholic spouse? Everyone knows, except you.

00:10:20.480 So I'm very fixated on this fact, which is that almost all of the information that we received

00:10:30.400 has been curated and spun and reduced in size. Relevant facts have been omitted. Irrelevant facts

00:10:37.920 have been pushed to the fore in order to manipulate how we feel. And so how do you defeat that? Well,

00:10:44.560 one of the main way that you defeat that your first line of defense are your instincts.

00:10:50.880 I have come to believe this. You know, when someone's lying, you can feel it. And I know this

00:10:57.120 because I have so many dogs. Here's no, I'm serious. My dogs cannot speak English that I'm aware of.

00:11:04.880 And yet if you come to my house and you're weird, my dogs know immediately.

00:11:09.680 They can smell weirdness on you. They can smell deception on you. They don't like you at all.

00:11:13.760 They will bark at you. They will cower in the corner. Now, how is that? They don't,

00:11:18.000 they haven't seen your tax returns. They haven't talked to your wife, but they know.

00:11:23.280 And they know because we all know. If you get a vibe off someone that suggests deception,

00:11:31.680 that person is lying. If you get a vibe that suggests weirdness, Tim Walls, for example.

00:11:37.520 I'm just saying.

00:11:38.240 First of all, I went to boarding school in the 80s in New England. Okay. We had doormasters like Mr.

00:11:46.640 Walls. The second I saw that guy, I was like, he's not babysitting in my house. I'm sorry. No way.

00:11:54.960 Oh, that's so unfair. No, it's not. No, it's not. Because my instincts didn't just alert me to this.

00:12:01.200 They screamed it full volume. This guy's a creeper. Period. Therefore, I don't have the evidence 0.98

00:12:09.920 necessary to indict in a court of law. I don't. I'm not going to press charges against Tim Walls.

00:12:14.880 Someone may at some point. It's not going to be me. Because I don't have the information. I have the

00:12:19.520 instinct and that's all I need. And the same is true, very true, for deception. And if you're watching

00:12:25.200 someone, I don't want to name names because I don't know what I mean, Lindsey Graham, and you look at

00:12:28.960 that person and you're like, I think that person is trying to sell me something. I think that person

00:12:34.400 may not be telling the full truth. You are right. You are right. Our main weakness as people is that

00:12:40.640 we override the truth as delivered by our instincts, by our higher mind, and we talk ourselves out of

00:12:47.360 knowing what we already know. You already know. And you know because God gave you those instincts as

00:12:56.160 maybe the most important gift you received at birth to protect you from deception and harm. Your instincts

00:13:03.920 are not trying to sell you something. They're not trying to get elected to anything. Their only job is to

00:13:10.560 serve you. So do not ignore them. You know lying when you hear it. I felt this during COVID. I don't I don't

00:13:19.600 think I passed high school biology. Pretty sure I didn't. I may have gotten the answers on the test from my

00:13:26.160 then girlfriend, now my wife. Actually, I did. I'll just be honest. I did. I cheated. Okay, I didn't. I did. I've

00:13:34.320 never admitted that to anyone. Don't tell my children. But that's true. I just didn't understand it. And so I

00:13:39.760 cannot pretend to be grounded in the hard sciences because I'm not. I'm deeply grounded in human nature

00:13:45.600 and in the way that people communicate because that is my job. And when they started telling me things

00:13:50.320 on television, I knew instantly they were lying. I had no idea why. I didn't know what the larger

00:13:57.520 purpose was. I still have no idea. I can speculate. I won't do it here. What was that? What was the point

00:14:05.520 of that? Well, to increase their power, to make weed stores more profitable and close down churches?

00:14:11.920 Yeah, I got that. But what was the big picture goal of that? I don't know. But I knew the first day

00:14:20.480 when I watched Tony Fauci talk on my show, I interviewed him. I had no idea Tony Fauci was

00:14:26.320 lying. I booked Tony Fauci. Tony Fauci is like the longest serving federal employee who lives in my

00:14:30.880 neighborhood in DC. Yeah, lock him up. Well, he's not locked up. He's wandering through our dog park

00:14:37.120 with Secret Service protection at your expense, by the way. Do you have Secret Service protection?

00:14:41.920 Yeah, no. He hasn't been locked up. He's been rewarded in Georgetown University. He's paying him

00:14:47.200 even more money in federal tax dollars as a hero. But I, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever,

00:14:54.160 only unerring instinct, saw Tony Fauci in that interview. And I was like, you're lying.

00:15:01.200 I didn't say that on TV, but I felt it so strongly. And I spent the next week trying to figure out what

00:15:05.200 he was lying about. And then it became really obvious. All of us are capable of that. Every one

00:15:10.240 of us is capable of that. And the truth, by contrast, hits very differently. When you hear somebody

00:15:16.480 tell a true thing, say something out loud, something you never heard before, something you've

00:15:20.480 heard a million times, but never thought about. When you hear a true word, it resonates within you

00:15:28.080 like a tuning fork. It hums. You can't get it out of your head. You may not know why it's true,

00:15:35.280 but you know that it is. The word, the true word is the most powerful force in the world.

00:15:43.920 In the beginning was the word. And when we hear something true, we know it. And the only reason

00:15:56.080 that we don't act on it is because we've been talked out of it by professional liars, or we doubt our own

00:16:03.280 gut instincts about it. And so what I would say to you is, do not doubt your instincts. If you see

00:16:10.640 someone, if you see Carmela Harris up there saying, vote for me, I'm actually a farmer from downstate

00:16:17.120 Illinois. You can see the black earth in my hand. That's my tractor behind me. Vote for me. I'll give

00:16:23.200 you a tax cut and a free AR-15 or whatever. She's basically making that pitch. She's running as some 1.00

00:16:31.120 kind of right winger. Have you noticed this? Yeah. The defund the police chick is somehow now a

00:16:36.640 conservative? Right. Okay. Got it. I don't even need to know her history. I don't need to know

00:16:41.680 anything about her. I listened to her talk and I think you're lying. And this is before I even know

00:16:48.000 that she was, you know, Montel Williams side piece or whatever. I know nothing about her.

00:16:56.240 That's just verification of what I already felt. I knew that without even calling Montel and asking him.

00:17:05.600 I knew who you were and we all do. So I would say hone your spidey senses these next six weeks

00:17:16.800 because you're going to be lied to at a volume with a level of aggression you've never seen before.

00:17:22.320 And the command will always be the same. Ignore what's right in front of your face. You didn't

00:17:26.880 see that. That's not real. You're crazy. That's really the message. You're crazy.

00:17:32.560 You can only trust us. The rest is disinformation. Okay. First of all, 1.00

00:17:37.520 anyone who uses the phrase disinformation is a liar.

00:17:44.080 Period. We're done.

00:17:48.640 Disinformation is not a category. There's only one category, truth or falsehood. That's it.

00:17:55.360 Disinformation is another way of saying, you're saying something that's inconvenient

00:18:02.640 to me. You are criticizing me. I don't like what you're saying. Shut up or go to jail.

00:18:08.880 That's not a valid category. That's totalitarianism. That's tyranny. 0.99

00:18:12.880 Disinformation. So anyone who uses the word disinformation is immediately on the liar's

00:18:19.280 side. Don't listen to another word. That person is your enemy. Listen only to people who care about

00:18:26.000 the only thing that is worth caring about, which is, is it true or not? Is it actually true? And the

00:18:35.120 people who care about whether it's true are your guides through a dark time. And they're your only

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00:21:27.840 So the first who's going to join me in just a second is my friend, Larry Elder, who I've known for a

00:21:49.120 really long time, who's a wonderful man. And of the many things that we have in common, Larry Elder

00:21:58.720 and I are both from Southern California, which used to be the kind of thing that, you know,

00:22:03.920 you bragged about. Now I tell everyone I'm from Sheboygan. No one believes me, but I tell them that.

00:22:10.080 Actually, Waukesha, but whatever.

00:22:11.520 But it used to be, I'm 55. When I was a kid, we felt very sorry for anybody who was not from

00:22:19.600 Southern California. You wouldn't say it right to their face because you don't want to be mean,

00:22:23.280 but we just thought they were deeply, deeply unfortunate. They just didn't know or they

00:22:26.480 couldn't afford the bus fare or whatever. But if you didn't live in Southern California,

00:22:29.840 we were sad for you because it was such a wonderful place. It was the greatest place.

00:22:34.400 It was the apogee of human civilization. And I still think that.

00:22:37.680 And it matters what's happened to California. And I find myself, since I live as far from

00:22:43.040 California as you can possibly live in the state of Maine now, you know, it's like a distant fact to

00:22:48.960 me. It's like a typhoon in Bangladesh. Like, I feel sad, but it doesn't really affect me.

00:22:55.040 But it actually does affect me. It's our largest state, actually. And it is a bellwether. What happens

00:23:01.760 in California does tend to move east inexorably. And so we have to care. And what is happening in

00:23:09.120 California? Well, I can promise you the entire American news media colludes to hide the truth

00:23:15.760 of what's happening in California from you because they don't want you to know what they want to do to

00:23:21.760 you is the truth. And Larry Elder knows he cares enough to have run for the governorship of California.

00:23:30.320 He's probably the last sensible person who ever will. It's a one party state. But he made an honorable

00:23:36.400 and good faith effort to dislodge Gavin Newsom. Some of us were really rooting for him. I had him on for

00:23:44.400 his announcement one Thursday night. And the next night was my last show because I got fired. So I wasn't

00:23:49.200 able to cheer him on from my perch at a TV channel. But I was certainly from the sidelines. So Larry

00:23:56.400 Elder is going to come out in about 30 seconds and tell us what the state's actually like. Because

00:24:01.280 you should know, even if you live here in the beautiful, unchanged Midwest. And the second person

00:24:05.920 we're going to talk to is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

00:24:08.720 And the one thing I would say about Bobby, who I've been friendly with and really admired for a long

00:24:21.360 time, before it was even cool, I had some secret opinions about pharma that I didn't want to share

00:24:27.520 in public since they were our biggest advertiser. But I have for many years thought he was on,

00:24:34.080 you know, on the scent. Like one of my dogs hunting down a pheasant in a cornrow. I was like,

00:24:42.000 yeah, you're getting warmer there, Bobby. But Bobby's life is amazing. I could go on for hours,

00:24:48.160 I'll do it in one sentence. What's happened to Bobby Kennedy over the last 18 months gives me hope

00:24:53.760 hope for this country. Because there's no one, you know, there's no one who's more of a Democrat

00:24:59.120 than Bobby Kennedy. He's now campaigning for Donald Trump. How did that happen? And it,

00:25:06.240 it happened because partisan politics, I'm just learning this in my advanced middle age,

00:25:14.080 is a lie, actually. So if you wake up in a world where Lindsey Graham goes on cable news

00:25:20.160 and pretends that he's on your side as he's lying right to your face to send your children

00:25:23.600 to go die in some pointless foreign war. And Bobby Kennedy is actually trying to save your children

00:25:29.920 from dying young from preventable disease. And if you're like me, you've never voted for a Democrat

00:25:35.120 in your life, and you never are going to. But you ask yourself like, wait a second, maybe this is all

00:25:40.720 fake, actually. And it is. The real divide is not between Republicans and Democrats. The real divide

00:25:51.440 is between liars and people brave enough to tell the truth.

00:25:58.000 And Bobby Kennedy's in the latter category, as you're about to find out. So with that, I am

00:26:04.480 honored to introduce for an update on the biggest, most important state, the golden state of California,

00:26:10.000 my friend, Larry Elder.

00:26:22.640 Larry Elder, I'm so honored you're here.

00:26:26.640 Are you aware that Tucker does not wear socks?

00:26:28.800 I don't wear socks. No, I don't. You get to a certain age and you're like, you know,

00:26:34.640 I still pay my taxes and get a driver's license, but there's some things I'm not doing.

00:26:38.080 I don't want to know what else you don't wear.

00:26:44.800 I'm in a commando unit, let me just say that.

00:26:49.200 Excuse me, I beg your pardon. It doesn't take much for me to get

00:26:53.200 right to the vulgar newsroom and deep inside me.

00:26:55.040 Um, so, Larry, you, as I said, I got fired right after you announced I was sitting. 0.89

00:27:03.360 I killed your show.

00:27:04.320 You did, you did.

00:27:05.840 I came on this show on Thursday and I announced I was running for president.

00:27:10.080 And by the way, this is kind of the scene of the crime for me.

00:27:14.480 You had the first GOP debate here in Milwaukee, and I was required to get three polls where I was at

00:27:21.520 one percent or better to qualify. So I turned in three polls where I had one percent or better.

00:27:26.480 I get a phone call from Ronna McDaniel and she said, one of the polls you can't use.

00:27:31.280 I said, which one? She said, Rasmussen. I said, why?

00:27:34.080 She said, because it's affiliated with the Trump campaign.

00:27:36.400 And it is true that the rules are, if anybody commissions a poll,

00:27:40.800 that person can't use it, nor can any other candidate use it.

00:27:43.920 So after the announcement was made that Elder didn't qualify,

00:27:47.440 Rasmussen puts out a tweet and says, we're not affiliated with Trump.

00:27:50.080 There's no reason why Elder can't use me. So I submitted a fourth one.

00:27:53.040 And she said, you submitted it too late.

00:27:56.320 So my lawyer is the former chair of the Federal Election Commission, Tucker.

00:28:00.240 And he told me that by failing to apply the debate criteria fairly to Elder,

00:28:05.120 what the RNC did essentially was to give an in-kind contribution to the eight candidates

00:28:10.240 who did make it on the debate stage. And based on the value of the time at Fox News,

00:28:14.480 that's a hundred million dollars. So I told them, I flew here to Milwaukee anyway,

00:28:19.120 on the eve of the debate. I said, if you don't put me up there by two o'clock,

00:28:22.720 I'm going to file a complaint with the FEC for a hundred million dollars.

00:28:27.040 And tick, tick, tick. I thought they were going to blink. They did not.

00:28:29.520 So they didn't put me on, as you know, and I have filed that complaint.

00:28:32.480 So we'll find out what happens.

00:28:33.600 So I guess my takeaway would be, are you saying the RNC is not totally on the level?

00:28:41.920 Shockingly. I think their goal, Tucker, was to reduce the number of candidates.

00:28:45.520 They thought that 17 was too many in 2016. They wanted to reduce it to a more manageable number.

00:28:50.880 I guess. I don't really know. And Tucker, I wasn't trying to displace Donald Trump.

00:28:56.880 I knew he was going to be the nominee. But there are some issues I thought were not talked about.

00:29:00.880 And I felt, if I could get those issues front and center, I'd do my job.

00:29:04.400 Most notably, the number one domestic problem in America, by far, is the epidemic of fatherlessness.

00:29:12.320 Forty percent.

00:29:17.840 Forty percent of all American kids now enter the world without a father in the home married to the mother.

00:29:22.560 Twenty-five percent of black kids in 1965, now 70 percent.

00:29:26.720 Twenty-five percent of white kids now enter the world without a father in the home married to the mother. 0.65

00:29:31.360 And the stats are clear. If you're raised without a father, you're five times more likely to be poor and commit crime.

00:29:37.440 Nine times more likely to drop out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in jail.

00:29:41.520 Now, what's happened? In the mid-60s, a Democrat, Lyndon Johnson, launched the so-called War on Poverty.

00:29:46.560 And since then, we've incentivized women to marry the government and incentivize men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility. 1.00

00:29:52.640 And nobody's talking about it.

00:29:56.160 So, the neighborhood you grew up in, the state you grew up in, you grew up with your dad at home.

00:30:03.760 We've talked about your dad. It sounds like an amazing guy.

00:30:06.080 But that wasn't weird, was it?

00:30:08.960 It was unusual when I was growing up for a mother and a father not to be in the home.

00:30:14.080 Now, it is unusual for a mother and a father in the inner city to be in the home.

00:30:18.400 And that's the big difference. My father never knew his biological father.

00:30:23.440 My last name, Elder, is the name of some man who was in his life the longest, maybe three, four years.

00:30:28.320 I'm not even sure that Elder formally adopted my dad, but my dad began using his name.

00:30:32.320 His mother could neither read nor write. She was irresponsible, lived off a series of boyfriends. 1.00

00:30:36.640 My dad, at the age of 13, comes home and starts quarreling with his mom's then-boyfriend. Elder was long gone.

00:30:42.800 And the mother sided with the boyfriend and threw my father out of the house, never to return.

00:30:48.800 Athens, Georgia, Jim Crow South at the beginning of the Great Depression.

00:30:52.720 And my father picked up trash, cleaned up barns, did whatever he could, became a Pullman porter on the train.

00:30:58.160 They were the largest private employer of blacks in those days.

00:31:00.960 And this little black boy from Athens, Georgia traveled all over the country, Tucker,

00:31:05.040 and came to this state called California, the city called Los Angeles.

00:31:08.400 And my dad was blown away. You could walk through the front door of a restaurant, sit down and get served.

00:31:14.480 So he made a mental note, maybe someday he'll relocate to California.

00:31:17.280 My dad always had packages of crackers and 10 cans of tuna, because you never knew in the South,

00:31:21.760 if you'd be able to get a meal. Pearl Harbor, my dad joined the Marines.

00:31:26.400 I asked him why. Are there any Marines here?

00:31:29.760 Are there any Marines here? Oorah. You know what I'm going to say. 0.94

00:31:32.880 I asked my dad why he joined the Marines. He said two reasons.

00:31:35.840 They go where the action is. And I love the uniforms.

00:31:40.400 Good reason. So my dad was stationed on the island of Guam.

00:31:43.440 He was in charge of cooking for the colored soldiers because the military was segregated in those days.

00:31:47.440 My dad can look at a cake and tell you what's in it.

00:31:49.600 So the war is over. He goes back to Chattanooga, Tennessee, where he met and married my mom

00:31:53.120 to get him a job as a short order cook. 0.98

00:31:55.200 He goes to three or four restaurants and he's told, we don't hire niggers. 0.98

00:31:59.600 Goes to an unemployment office. The lady says, you went through the wrong door. 0.97

00:32:02.320 My dad goes to the hall and sees colored only, goes through that door to the very same lady who sent him out. 0.98

00:32:07.680 My dad came home to my mom and said, this is BS. I'm going to L.A. where I was before the war,

00:32:11.600 get me a job as a cook. So he comes out to L.A., walks around and he's told, you don't have any references.

00:32:18.320 My dad said, I need references to make ham and eggs.

00:32:22.080 Goes to an unemployment office, this time just one door.

00:32:25.920 Nothing's available. He said, what time do you open?

00:32:28.720 She says, nine o'clock, what time do you close? She said, fine. My dad said, I'll be sitting in that

00:32:31.760 chair until you find something. Sat in the chair for a whole day, came back the next day, sat there

00:32:35.440 until lunch. She called him up. She said, I have a job for you. I don't know whether you're going to

00:32:39.680 want it. My dad said, of course I'm going to want it. I'm starting a family. What is it? It's a job

00:32:43.040 cleaning toilets and Nabisco brand bread. My dad did that for 10 years, took a second full-time job at

00:32:48.560 another bread company cleaning toilets, cooked for a family on the weekend because they wanted my mom to be a 1.00

00:32:52.880 stay-at-home mom, went to night school to get his GED. After getting his GED, went to night school to learn how to operate a restaurant. 0.99

00:32:58.400 The man never slept, which is why he was so grouchy all the time.

00:33:08.640 And my dad started a little cafe, 47 years old, ran until his mid-80s. When my dad retired, he owned

00:33:16.160 that building. He owned the property next to it, plus the house is still in our family right now. He retired

00:33:21.360 with a net worth of above a million dollars.

00:33:26.560 So I tell you that story, Tucker, to say that being raised by a single mom is not a death sentence. You're still 1.00

00:33:33.120 responsible. Life is still all about choices. My dad was a lifelong Republican. My mom was a lifelong Democrat. You should have been in the house.

00:33:40.480 My dad said, Democrats want to give you something for nothing. You try to get something for nothing. You almost always end up getting

00:33:45.600 nothing for something. And my dad would say this, hard work wins. You get out of life what you put into it.

00:33:51.520 You cannot control the outcome, Larry, but you are 100% in control of the effort. Before you

00:33:56.320 bitch, moan, or whine about what somebody did to you or said to you, go to the mirror, look at it, and ask 0.99

00:34:00.720 yourself, what could I have done to change the outcome? And finally, he said, no matter how hard you work, 1.00

00:34:05.040 how good you are, sooner or later, bad things are going to happen, how you deal with those bad things,

00:34:08.800 tell your mother and me, if we raised a man.

00:34:15.280 He sounds like an amazing man, but he never made the sale politically with your mom.

00:34:22.080 No. Live to be 95 years old. During Watergate, you should have been a fly on the wall. My dad thought

00:34:28.080 Watergate was inconsequential. Even if Nixon sent the plumbers in there to bug Larry O'Brien's office,

00:34:35.520 my dad thought it was, so what? No evidence whatsoever that Nixon did it. He covered it up.

00:34:40.880 My dad thought it was inconsequential. And he said, over time, you're going to realize

00:34:44.720 this is no reason to get rid of a president. My mom thought it was horrific. She hated Nixon. 0.92

00:34:49.600 The polls now show most people believe that what Nixon did does not rise to the level of him leaving

00:34:54.560 office. My dad was right. Well, you know, it turned out that Deep Throat was the number two man

00:35:02.240 at the FBI working in concert with the CIA to crush his sitting president. So something we've seen

00:35:09.760 subsequently, but your dad was onto that. You know, you graded on the curve. Now look at the Biden crime

00:35:15.760 family, $27 million, all this corruption. What Nixon did was inconsequential compared to what's going

00:35:21.920 on right now. He didn't get rich in China, that's true. No, he sure didn't. So California, your home

00:35:30.480 state, my home state, give us a status report from the left coast, if you would. I think this story

00:35:37.440 probably illustrates how bad things are. I ran for governor, as Tucker pointed out. I ran in the recall

00:35:43.440 election. It was a two-part deal. The first part is, do you want this man recalled? And a 50% plus one

00:35:50.320 that said yes. Whoever got the most votes on the replacement side would have become governor.

00:35:55.200 I got 49% of the votes on the replacement side. The next highest person got 9%. The 49% was exactly

00:36:01.280 the same percentage that Schwarzenegger got in 2003 when he successfully recalled a previous governor.

00:36:07.360 Since then, there are 5% more registered Democrats, 25% fewer registered Republicans,

00:36:12.880 and 50% more registered independents. And independents in California vote Democrat. There hasn't been a

00:36:18.000 Republican elected statewide in California in 20 years. So the race is over. I collected,

00:36:24.800 I raised $27 million in eight weeks, three and a half million votes. California has 58 counties.

00:36:30.800 On the replacement side, I carried 57 to 58 counties. The only one I didn't carry was San Francisco.

00:36:36.080 I didn't spend one dime or one minute campaigning there because I thought it was a lost cause. I lost

00:36:40.080 that by 149 votes. So the race is over, Tucker. I go to a restaurant in the west side of LA to meet a

00:36:48.080 buddy of mine. He's late. So I'm sitting at a table. There's a table next to me with two ladies. I think

00:36:53.840 they feel sorry for me because I'm sitting by myself. We start talking. It turns out they're 85 years old.

00:36:59.440 They've known each other since the second grade. One was celebrating her 85th birthday. And they told me

00:37:05.280 they were Jewish. One said she was a human rights activist. One said she was a psychotherapist.

00:37:09.280 And then about 15, 20 minutes into the conversation, one of them said, wait a minute. I know you.

00:37:15.920 You're that guy that ran for governor. You're that Larry Elder. She said, guess who we voted for?

00:37:20.560 I said, you didn't vote for me. She said, how do you know that? I said, let's see. We're on the west side

00:37:24.560 of LA. You're both Jewish. You're a human rights activist. It doesn't take Columbo to put that

00:37:29.760 together. You didn't vote for me. And they said, we didn't. Let me ask you something. How do you feel about

00:37:34.080 the way Gavin Newsom shut down the state in a more severe way than did any other governor because

00:37:39.040 of COVID while sitting up there at that French laundry restaurant, yucking it up with the very 0.98

00:37:43.360 same people that drafted the mandates, not wearing a mask, not social distancing? They said we were

00:37:48.720 outraged by that. How do you feel about the fact that a million people have left California the last

00:37:53.120 three years, the first time anybody's left this state in 150 years? We've lost friends. How do you

00:37:58.640 feel about the homelessness? They both told me that they had a homeless encampment near their homes,

00:38:02.000 and they were outraged by it. I said, how do you feel about the quality of schools?

00:38:05.280 Do you have kids? Yes. Did you put any of your kids in the Los Angeles Unified School District?

00:38:09.520 No, we would not because the schools are substandard.

00:38:14.160 So here we are completing each other's sentences, and you didn't vote for me.

00:38:18.080 I said, have you ever had a conversation with a conservative Republican before?

00:38:22.000 They said, no. She said, what are you drinking? I said, double vodka, splash of cranberry.

00:38:27.440 Other one said, what are you eating? I said, well, I wasn't going to have steak.

00:38:29.920 Now I'm going to upgrade it to lobster. You pay for the meal.

00:38:33.600 So we had a marvelous time. They had never had a conversation. Another one,

00:38:38.720 I have some back issues, and so a buddy of mine recommended a massage therapist. So he gave me

00:38:43.680 a dress. I'm assuming it's going to be some office building. I turn down a residential street.

00:38:47.120 It's a house. I knock on the door. Lady opens the door. She's got tattoos everywhere, 1.00

00:38:52.000 ear piercings everywhere but her eyeballs. I smell this big flume of marijuana. Not that I would

00:38:58.080 know what that smells like, of course. I've read about it. So she's working on my back,

00:39:04.320 and she's playing Motown music, which is my favorite genre of popular music. And you name

00:39:08.640 the song, I can tell you about it. They played my girl. I said, that was written by Smokey Robinson.

00:39:12.800 He wrote the song for David Ruffin, the lead singer of the Temptations. This song is written by Marvin

00:39:17.120 Gaye. Marvin Gaye was trying to dissuade it from doing that What's Going On album by Barry Gordy,

00:39:22.400 because he wanted to control. I went over every single, and she said, I know who you are. When

00:39:28.080 you contacted me to make your appointment, I knew who you were. I wasn't going to say anything.

00:39:32.720 Had I known you were this funny and this personable, I would have voted for you. I said,

00:39:38.960 do you know any Republicans? She said, no. I said, none. She said, no. I said, news bulletin.

00:39:45.200 We have personalities. We have senses of humor. I mean, honestly.

00:39:51.040 Well, I mean, in her defense, I remember that campaign very well, and I think the

00:39:56.880 LA Times called you a white supremacist. No, no, no, no.

00:40:00.720 Maybe she thought you were a white supremacist. I don't know.

00:40:02.560 Let's be accurate. I was called the black face of white supremacy. 0.93

00:40:06.080 Sorry, sorry. I worked very hard for that title, Tucker. 0.96

00:40:09.520 What does that even mean? I never figured. That's like a zen cone. That's the sound of

00:40:15.840 one hand clapping. I don't even understand it. Well, I've been on radio for 30 years,

00:40:21.120 and the first six months I was on radio, every third caller called me an Uncle Tom or a sellout

00:40:25.600 or a bootlicker, bug-eyed, bootlicking Uncle Tom, Sambo Tom. So I'm on the radio for about six months, 0.68

00:40:31.120 and I'm walking to a restaurant, and there are a couple of brothers sitting on a brick wall.

00:40:36.160 Based on the way they were dressed, they weren't investment bankers, and one of them said,

00:40:41.360 Larry Elder, I hate you, and I love you. Come on over here.

00:40:46.160 Now, Tucker, I'm thinking, if they were going to shoot me, they'd have done it by now.

00:40:50.800 I can't outrun a bullet. Might as well go over there. So I went over. He goes,

00:40:54.320 you know, I've been listening to you about four, five months now, 1.00

00:41:00.560 and at first I couldn't stand your black ass. 1.00

00:41:02.480 But the more I started listening to you, the more I said, 1.00

00:41:06.960 he ain't doing nothing but telling people to get off their ass and stop complaining. 1.00

00:41:10.640 You're like castor oil. It don't taste good going down, but it's good for you. Keep it up. 1.00

00:41:15.600 A lot of bad things going on in the world that honestly, not many of us can have an effect on.

00:41:28.160 Rising crime, failing schools, a tanking economy. What can you do about that? Well,

00:41:34.240 not a lot, but you can get your own house in order. And above all, you can spend money with merchants,

00:41:40.640 with companies that support your values, that are making this a better country and not a worse

00:41:44.960 country. But how do you find those companies? Well, that's where Public Square comes in.

00:41:50.000 Public Square actively curates the best products from America's small businesses to help families

00:41:54.800 lead happier, healthier, more productive, and connected lives. That means fewer errands to big

00:42:00.000 box stores, less searching to find wholesome alternatives to the garbage being offered in

00:42:05.120 our culture and more quality time spent with people you love most. If you want to fix your

00:42:10.080 country, you've got to strengthen yourself and your home and you need to spend your dollars where

00:42:13.920 they do good and not bad. Rebuilding America takes place one small change at a time with wise spending,

00:42:22.240 supporting people who support your family, not funding people who hate you. If you want to do that,

00:42:28.320 publicsquare.com is the answer, publicsquare.com.

00:42:47.440 That's such a great description. All I'm doing, all I'm doing is telling the truth.

00:42:52.320 Um, you mentioned, truth, George Floyd, um, four months worth of protests, violent protests,

00:43:02.560 25 people killed, 2,000 police officers wounded, $2 billion in insured property damage, maybe another

00:43:09.520 billion or two in uninsured property damage, Tucker. All because of what happened to George Floyd.

00:43:14.960 However you feel about what happened to George Floyd, however you feel about what Derek Chauvin did or

00:43:19.520 didn't do. There is zero evidence that what happened to George Floyd had anything whatever

00:43:26.000 to do with his race. Zero. The lead prosecutor, the lead prosecutor was a black man. And I'm a lawyer.

00:43:36.400 The most important part of a trial is the opening statement. And in the opening statement, he took

00:43:40.640 pains to say the police in general were not on trial. The Minneapolis PD in general was not on trial.

00:43:45.840 This individual is on trial for what he did or what he didn't do to, uh, George Floyd. And he never

00:43:51.280 even intimated that the officer committed a hate crime. He was never charged with a hate crime.

00:43:56.880 Yet you had all these protests all over the country based upon the assumption that what happened to

00:44:01.680 George Floyd had to do with his race when there was zero evidence of it. The police kill more whites 0.97

00:44:07.120 every year than blacks. They kill more unarmed whites every year than blacks. Most people couldn't name an 1.00

00:44:11.600 unarmed white person because nobody cares. If an unarmed white person gets killed, as my mother 1.00

00:44:16.880 puts it, he's just a dead fly. But an unarmed black person gets killed, in comes CNN, in comes the New 0.98

00:44:22.320 York Times. They make a big deal out of it without any understanding whatsoever what's really going on.

00:44:27.040 It's been studied for decades. The police are more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a

00:44:32.320 black person than a white person. By far. It's a lie. There's a website called Policemag.com, 0.97

00:44:39.600 and they asked self-described, very liberal people, how many unarmed black men did the police kill in

00:44:44.560 2019? Fifty percent of the self-described unarmed black people thought the, of the, of the unarmed,

00:44:52.960 fifty percent of the self-described liberals thought the police killed one thousand unarmed black men in

00:44:58.080 2019. Eight percent thought they killed 10,000. What you asked about the regular liberal people,

00:45:04.640 self-described? Thirty-nine percent of self-described liberal people thought the police killed one thousand

00:45:09.920 unarmed black men in 2019. Five percent thought they killed 10,000. The answer, according to the 1.00

00:45:14.720 Washington Post database, was twelve. Twelve. That's the gap between what the left thinks is going on

00:45:22.240 versus what is really going on, which accounts for why we had four months of protests in the streets of

00:45:26.160 America in 2020. So the, the numbers you just cited were publicly available. They were, they were right 1.00

00:45:31.680 there. Right there. But no one cited them except you and a few other people. So this is my last

00:45:37.360 question and most important question before I bring Bobby Kennedy out. What advice would you give to the

00:45:42.560 people in this room, since you are in that one hundredth of one percent of the population who says what he

00:45:48.160 really thinks, how would you encourage people to have heart to do the same? What makes you different?

00:45:54.560 Why are you able to just go on the website and see that it's incorrect and just say it in public when

00:45:59.840 most people are afraid to do that? What advice? It's what you said in your monologue. Think for yourself.

00:46:04.160 Use your own judgment. Be skeptical. Ingest the news in a discriminating way. The Media Research

00:46:12.240 Center found that ABC, NBC, CBS, 85 percent of their coverage was positive regarding Kamala Harris

00:46:19.840 and Walls. Ninety-three percent of it was negative regarding Trump and Vance. And ABC News was the

00:46:26.480 worst. Of 25 stories they've done since Kamala Harris became the presumptive nominee, 100 percent have been

00:46:33.440 positive. Ninety-three percent of the ones for Donald Trump have been negative. And ABC alone from CBS, NBC,

00:46:41.120 is the only one of those three that has never referred to Kamala Harris as a liberal or even

00:46:46.560 a progressive. You're being lied to. Use your own common sense. Use your own judgment. And thank goodness

00:46:52.160 for alternative sources of news like Tucker, like a Glenn Beck.

00:46:55.840 Think for yourself. It's not that hard. Larry Elder, you're a hero. Thank you. Thank you.

00:47:13.440 So, as noted at the outset, I would like to ask this man to join us. Bobby, thank you for doing this.

00:47:25.840 So, I hate to ask you this because it's almost too sensitive, but it just happened. And so, I can't,

00:47:42.000 I can't not ask you. There was a second, appears to be a second assassination attempt

00:47:47.360 on Donald Trump in just a couple months. What do you make of this?

00:47:51.760 I don't know what to make. I mean, I think we're seeing an impact, at least partially. I mean,

00:48:03.280 I don't know if the, I just don't know enough about what's happened. And I've been reading some of the

00:48:10.480 internet stuff about the connections that this man may or may not have had to the intelligence agencies,

00:48:19.280 etc. But I don't know what to make of it. I do know that there's a, there's an antagonism and a violence

00:48:30.000 in our society now that I feel is orchestrated. I feel that we're living in a,

00:48:36.240 a, and you remember a couple of years ago when they had the, the Walls Occupy Wall Street movement,

00:48:51.760 and they were trying to frame this debate as the 99% against the 1%. And I think, I feel like since then,

00:49:01.760 we've all been turned against each other where it's 50% against 50%. And at, you know, when the king

00:49:09.200 and queen go out on the balustrades of their castle and they look out across their people and they're

00:49:16.160 all fighting each other, they go back to the banquet hall and they pop champagne corks because they know

00:49:22.720 nobody's coming over the wall against them. And boy, is that true. And I think, you know, so many of the,

00:49:34.640 I mean, I, I announced my campaign almost 18 months ago. And what I said at that point is I'm not going

00:49:43.040 to feed into the vitriol or the anger or the name calling, the demonization of my opponents. I'm going

00:49:49.520 to be civil, um, to all of them. And I'm going to try to identify values that all of Americans have in

00:49:59.200 common rather than focusing on these smaller issues that are used, the kind of cultural issues

00:50:07.200 that are used to keep us all at each other's throats. Because I, you know, I've watched what's

00:50:12.880 happening in this country. And there's all these systems that have been put in place

00:50:17.680 to shift wealth and power upwards, to clamp down totalitarian controls on the rest of us.

00:50:23.040 And they all kind of culminated during COVID where we saw all of our 3.3 million businesses shut down

00:50:31.520 with no due process, no just compensation. 4.3 trillion dollars shifted from the American middle

00:50:38.720 class to this new oligarchy, um, that of billionaires. We created during five, during 500 days, 500 new

00:50:51.360 billionaires were created, the lockdown. And the American middle class has essentially been obliterated

00:50:59.520 in this country. And, oh, I think one of, and all this money is being shifted up to, you know, to Blackrock

00:51:10.240 and State Street and Vanguard and the, the other big, uh, financial houses and big pharma and big tech and big

00:51:19.920 ag and big, big food that are strip mining the American public of wealth, sucking it upward and, uh, and leaving

00:51:31.600 nothing below. And the way that they keep that system in place, that they keep us from doing anything about

00:51:38.000 it. It's to keep us all hating on each other. And one of the things that I admire about you is that

00:51:52.640 you have more children than I do, which is not that easy. Uh, you have a lot of children and you have made

00:51:58.080 your campaign about them, which used to be a pretty conventional thing. Politicians would run on children, 0.67

00:52:02.800 help the children, save the children, the next generation. You're one of the very few people who still 0.93

00:52:06.880 talks like that. Explain if you would, because I think you're sincere when you talk about it,

00:52:12.480 how children, your children, uh, and other people's children, mine, have inspired you to stay in

00:52:19.120 politics when you could have just gone away and gone back to L.A. How my kids inspired me to do that?

00:52:27.760 You know, let me finish the thought that I think I left incomplete on that last question.

00:52:33.120 I think the anger that we have at each other also turns into violence. And, you know, when my uncle

00:52:40.800 was running for president, I mean, when my uncle was president in 1963, there was a tremendous anger

00:52:48.000 that was coming out of the civil rights movement and other things that he was doing, shutting down

00:52:54.720 the, um, you know, the war against Castro and the war against, uh, against Russia. There was tremendous

00:53:02.160 anger and poison. When he landed in Dallas on November 22nd, there was a full page ad in the, in the mid,

00:53:11.120 the big newspaper in Dallas saying, wanted dead or alive, and with a picture of my uncle on it. And there

00:53:16.240 were posters all over the street that day. And there was, you know, my uncle was clearly

00:53:24.080 killed by the C.I.A. But there were,

00:53:32.960 but, but there was, there was also an anger that had been sown, um, across the American landscapes at

00:53:41.120 that time that I think, you know, contributed to this atmosphere of violence that led to his death,

00:53:47.120 Martin Luther King's death, my father's death five years later, and all the other assassinations

00:53:53.200 that we saw during the 1960s. So I, I just wanted to complete that thought.

00:53:57.280 But that was, I mean, that was over 60 years ago. And that institution, you know, those files are still

00:54:01.760 classified as you well know better than most. And those institutions remain intact. And except for

00:54:07.920 one series of hearings in 1975, there's been no meaningful effort to reform them. And you sort

00:54:14.160 of wonder, like, at what point do we learn the truth about everything federal agencies have done

00:54:19.520 with our money and our name? And at what point are they reformed? Yeah, I mean, I think it's really,

00:54:27.120 you know, we pad, there's an act called the JFK Assassination Papers Act. It requires all those

00:54:33.520 documents be released to the American public by 2018, all the documents pertaining to my uncle's

00:54:38.800 death. And President Trump, when he ran the first time in 2016, promised to release them,

00:54:45.840 and then he didn't, which always struck me as odd. And then President Biden ran promising to release

00:54:53.520 them, and he didn't. I had the opportunity recently to ask President Trump directly why he did not release

00:55:00.480 them. And he said that Mike Pompeo called him and said, uh, please do not let me relate, make me to

00:55:10.160 release these. It is going to be a calamity for our country. But President Trump says if he, at this

00:55:19.440 time, if he's going to release them, and I believe that he will.

00:55:22.720 So can I just ask, why would Mike Pompeo, who I don't think was even born or had just been born

00:55:32.800 when your uncle was murdered, why would he have an interest in keeping those documents secret?

00:55:37.520 Well, clearly, it's not to protect any individual, because virtually all the individuals who were

00:55:45.920 directly involved in my uncle's death are now dead. And many of those have, you know, gave deathbed

00:55:53.360 confessions or gave confessions of various kinds before they died. But it must, the only, I think,

00:56:01.440 the only supposition that is rational is that it's about protecting an institution. And I think, you know,

00:56:09.280 in the last tranche of documents that were released, and the New York Times even reported this,

00:56:18.960 and the Times has been one of the major bulwarks against conspiracy theories that, you know, that

00:56:24.320 depart from the single shooter Lee Harvey Oswald killed John Kennedy. They've been the big bulwark

00:56:31.680 against that. So it's extraordinary that they finally reported that Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset.

00:56:39.280 And that the CIA went to great lengths to conceal that, not only for the Warren Commission, and as

00:56:46.160 most of you probably know, Alan Dulles, who was the head of the CIA, who my uncle fired after the Bay of

00:56:54.640 Pigs, had then come back into public life to get himself appointed to the Warren Commission. And he was

00:57:03.680 really the only commissioner that was there for every meeting. He was the only one that was paying

00:57:09.360 attention. All of the other ones, like Chief Justice Warren was the Chief Justice Supreme Court. He had a

00:57:15.440 full-time job. The other ones were congressmen and senators and other well-known individuals

00:57:21.280 who were fully occupied by their work. The only one for whom it was a full-time job was Alan Dulles.

00:57:29.360 And his function was to make sure that any questions about the CIA involvement were quashed.

00:57:37.200 And he concealed the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald had been recruited into the agency in 1957 and 1958

00:57:45.680 and sent on a mission to Russia, which was a false defection mission, and then brought back to this

00:57:51.840 country. And so the first, and you know, many of us who've been studying the assassination knew this,

00:57:58.080 but has never been reported in the mainstream press. And after that last tranche of documents was released

00:58:05.280 five years ago, the New York Times finally acknowledged that. And there may be other

00:58:11.440 information related to that that they don't want released, but I have no idea what it is.

00:58:16.720 So what does it take? I mean, you can't have a democracy in a system where the public has no idea

00:58:21.280 what its government is doing, and that's what we have now. So how do you fix that? What would it take to

00:58:25.680 actually bring transparency to the federal agencies? Yeah, I mean, let me answer that in a second, but

00:58:33.440 but to follow up on your, what you, you know, why this is important for democracy. My, when I was a kid,

00:58:44.000 it was unthinkable that the United States government would lie to the American public. It was, it was in,

00:58:50.960 it was just, no American would believe that. And

00:58:57.920 the first time, and you know, we didn't, you know, there'd been, there'd been this, this tremendous

00:59:03.520 resistance to starting the CIA in this country. The OSS had, had been created, which is the first

00:59:11.520 intelligence agency that we had during World War II. But Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, were very,

00:59:16.800 very, very reluctant to do it, because they said secret police agencies are associated with totalitarian states.

00:59:26.240 The Gestapo, the Stasi, Savak in Iran, Peep in Chile, and that, and the KGB in Russia, and that

00:59:38.720 they're not something that are consistent. They're antithetical to democracies. You can't have them.

00:59:43.680 They're inconsistent with the democracy. So they've been very reluctant to do it. And then in 1948,

00:59:49.920 and so they disbanded the OSS after World War II. And then Truman became convinced that we had one 0.96

00:59:58.800 weapon, really, which was the atomic bomb. And he didn't want to use that. And he wanted to be able to

01:00:05.360 fight wars without getting involved in conventional wars. And so they created the CIA to do certain

01:00:12.880 things, to do espionage, which is intelligence gathering in 1948. And Dulles had come in very early

01:00:21.200 and changed the function of the agency to be kind of a paramilitary agency to fix elections,

01:00:26.160 assassinate leaders and do all the dirty tricks. My uncle fired him. But until when I was a kid,

01:00:36.480 it was just incomprehensible that the US government would lie. The first time Americans had inklings that

01:00:43.360 the government would lie was in May of 1960, while my uncle was running for president. And a U-2,

01:00:53.840 a secret CIA plane, a U-2 was not Air Force, it was the CIA, was shot down over Russia. And the US

01:01:03.520 government, it was a secret program. Those planes flew so high, and you could not see them with the

01:01:09.520 naked eye. And we, nobody in the world knew that we had them. They were flying at 60 or 70,000 feet.

01:01:17.120 And we believed they couldn't be shot down. In fact, there was a mole in Langley in the CIA who had

01:01:23.680 given the plans to the U-2 to the Russians, and it allowed them to shoot it down. And when they shot 0.54

01:01:29.600 them down, the Russians accused us of violating their airspace. And Alan Dulles told Eisenhower,

01:01:38.400 just lie about it. Because there's no way they have proof, and the pilot has committed suicide.

01:01:44.560 Because they gave him a cyanide shot, and they were under orders to kill themselves.

01:01:50.560 Well, Gary Francis Powers had chickened out. And he had parachuted to the ground,

01:01:57.120 and they had captured him. And the Russians didn't say that at first.

01:02:00.160 They just made the accusation. Eisenhower, at Dulles's advice, went on national TV,

01:02:07.600 and told the world and the American public, this is a lie. The Russians are lying. We do not have this

01:02:13.440 program. And then the Russians produced Gary Francis Powers, and Americans for the first time said,

01:02:20.000 oh my god, our president lied to us. And it was shocking. I remember back then. And then when my

01:02:27.440 uncle was killed, the Warren Commission report came out, and about half the people in this country just

01:02:33.520 said, that's not true. The government's lying. But they were dismissed as conspiracy theorists.

01:02:39.680 And then in 1973, the Pentagon Papers were released. And that was 27 volumes of thousands and thousands of

01:02:50.880 systematic lies. U.S. government officials, including presidents, had been lying to the American people.

01:02:57.840 And that's when everybody just said, oh, they lie all the time. And then, you know, since then,

01:03:05.680 we've now been convinced. I think most of the people in this room believe that any time a government

01:03:11.040 official tells you anything, if his lips are moving, he's lying to you.

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01:04:31.840 So why did so many people fall for the COVID lies?

01:04:47.280 I, you know, I think that the COVID, the COVID was, was, was in, I won't say the whole thing was a

01:04:57.520 PSYOP, but there was a PSYOP accompanying COVID. And, and they were manipulating,

01:05:06.000 they were, they were using these, you know, that we were hardwired in our reptilian core of our brain

01:05:12.960 to, when we're encountered something fearful, to retreat into authorities, into authorities that

01:05:19.120 are going to protect us. And those buttons were being pushed full time. We were seeing on CNN,

01:05:25.280 the chyrons every 20 minutes, the new death counts from COVID. The, the, the announcers on TV,

01:05:32.560 and by the way, television and radio and newspapers were calling all of that time when we, when we made

01:05:41.360 that big departure and the government really started systematically lying to us, which I think began

01:05:48.000 with the Warren Commission report. And that's why I think we have to go back and really get the answers

01:05:53.600 on that to write the ship. But during many of those years, the, the press was calling government

01:06:01.520 on its lies, but during COVID, they completely stopped and they were going along with it. And

01:06:07.280 if you tried, if any of us tried to say, well, wait a minute, um, you know, like I, in, in May of 2020,

01:06:16.640 I said, it's all the government agencies were saying the vaccines are going to prevent transmissions.

01:06:25.520 And I said on my, my Instagram account, the monkey studies show that they cannot prevent

01:06:32.240 transmission. I didn't say that because I was guessing it or I was, you know, paranoid. I was

01:06:37.600 reading the monkey studies and the monkey studies. They had given the vaccines to half the monkeys and

01:06:43.760 they had given a placebo to the other half. And they all got COVID and they all got the same amount

01:06:49.760 of, uh, uh, concentrations in their nasal pharynxes. I reported those studies, which were their studies.

01:06:57.120 And I got thrown off of Instagram and called a conspiracy theorist. Oh, you had all the press. And then,

01:07:03.200 and as you know, as you know, for the next year, they were telling us, you got to get this because

01:07:09.280 it's going to protect grandma. Right. You remember when they were telling us that

01:07:16.160 and they knew it was a lie. And yet all the press went along with it and everybody else. And, uh, and

01:07:23.360 I think, you know, Americans were, most Americans were terrified. I'll tell you, you and I have talked

01:07:29.840 in the past about, um, about the CIA program called MKUltra. So the CIA during the 1950s and 1960s developed

01:07:41.280 all of these programs to do social controls, to control individuals and populations. They were,

01:07:49.040 they were trying to develop, for example, Manchurian candidates, an unwilling assassin using hypnosis,

01:07:56.400 using psycho, psychedelic drugs, using torture, using isolation, sensory deprivation,

01:08:04.720 all kinds of methods that they were exploring, not only for manipulating individuals, but manipulating

01:08:09.840 entire populations. How do you get populations to comply? And that, that, that group of, of studies

01:08:19.920 was called MK, MKNiomi, MKDietrich, MKUltra. MK stands for mind control. And that's what they were

01:08:30.160 looking for, ways to control people's minds and perceptions. And one of the studies that they

01:08:38.960 funded was a study called the Milgram experiment that took place at Yale. And it was a young associate

01:08:46.320 professor named Stanley Milgram. And he brought about 70 subjects into this experiment. They were

01:08:54.240 from every walk of life. They were black and white. They were students. They were professors.

01:08:59.760 They were business people from the community, every kind of person. And he would sit the subject at a

01:09:05.920 table. And there was a person in the next room who was invisible to them, but they could hear.

01:09:11.040 They said, they were told that person is strapped to a chair and that he will be given an electric

01:09:18.240 shot when you, when you twist this tile. The subject would be told to twist the tile.

01:09:25.120 Dr. Milgram was there with a white lab coat and all these kind of ornaments that, that bespoke his

01:09:32.800 authority and his trustworthiness. And he would tell them, turn it up, turn it down, turn it up. And

01:09:40.080 when they turned it up, they could hear the person struggling, screaming, pleading. And a lot of the

01:09:46.640 subjects would say to Dr. Milgram, I don't want to do it again. And he would tell them, do it anyway.

01:09:54.720 Some of them began crying because they did not want to twist it up. But 67% of them turned it up to 250

01:10:03.680 volts where it was marked potentially lethal. And what Dr. Milgram says, you can look this up,

01:10:12.640 Milgram experiment on Wikipedia. I wouldn't believe Wikipedia, anything you read in Wikipedia, but this

01:10:18.480 thing is actually true. And 67% turned it up to potentially fatal. And what Milgram concluded was that

01:10:32.960 a figure of authority can persuade

01:10:36.320 people, the average person, 67% of people to override their most closely and fundamentally held values and do

01:10:50.800 things that they know are totally wrong. If they're told to do that by authority. And during the

01:10:56.480 COVID, I felt like we were all involved in a giant Milgram experiment where we had a medical doctor.

01:11:04.560 Which doctor to be more specific? Well, we had Dr. Fauci, we all know, and

01:11:19.840 who was telling us to do things that we knew were wrong. And he knew they were wrong. He would say,

01:11:26.480 one week, masks don't work privately and publicly. And two weeks later,

01:11:31.040 everybody put them on. Everybody put two of them on. And, and he, he would say, you know,

01:11:39.040 he said very publicly that if you got, if you get an infectious respiratory illness, you do not need

01:11:46.320 a vaccination. And yet he changed his mind. And he said, the best vaccine you can have is to have to

01:11:52.720 have the disease. There's nothing better. You'll never beat it. Then he said, even if you've had it,

01:11:59.280 you need to get the shot. So they were telling us things that they knew were wrong, but we,

01:12:04.640 we were doing it because it was an authority telling us. And then, and it also, there's another

01:12:09.840 phenomena that anybody who disagrees with that authority becomes the enemy. They become dangerous.

01:12:18.480 They have to be silenced. Now, the good news is that 33% of the people in the Milgram experiment got up and

01:12:28.480 walked out.

01:12:33.840 Those are the people in this room right now.

01:12:35.600 That's the people here right now.

01:12:37.120 So how do you break this spell? So I just think it's, I, the most interesting thing about you,

01:12:52.000 if I can say as an outsider watching carefully, is you don't need to do any of this. You've suffered

01:12:56.720 a great personal cost, I would say. Certainly in prestige in the world that you've grown up in and

01:13:02.960 banned from the New York Times and people call you crazy, but you do it anyway. So...

01:13:08.960 I'm not crazy!

01:13:11.280 No, but it's, it's true. So, and you've taken a lot of heat from, you know, people who are close

01:13:18.080 to you, but you do it anyway. Do you think that telling the truth out loud is enough to break

01:13:23.760 the Milgram experiment spell? Yeah, I mean, I, I think that's how we break it. Enough people have to

01:13:30.320 say, we're not going to do that. And if, if, and when you do it, I mean, there's a couple of

01:13:40.400 rules about totalitarian systems. One is, any, any power that the government takes away from us,

01:13:51.200 it will never relinquish voluntarily. Rule number two, any power that the government takes from us,

01:13:59.040 it will ultimately abuse to the greatest extent possible. And number three, nobody ever complied

01:14:08.720 their way out of totalitarianism. You have to resist.

01:14:19.280 What powers does the government now have that it didn't have 10 years ago?

01:14:24.480 Well, they have the power now to, uh, to revoke all of our constitutional rights. So,

01:14:29.600 and you know, that sounds like hyperbole, but think about it. They, they figured out, you know,

01:14:35.360 the, the most important right is freedom of speech. And Hamilton, Madison and Adams said,

01:14:41.360 we put that in the first amendment, freedom of expression, because all the other rights are

01:14:45.360 dependent on it. And I've said this to you before, Tucker, that any government that has the power to

01:14:52.000 silence its critics has license for any atrocity. And they knew that. So they put it first. And we saw this

01:14:59.760 dynamic during COVID. As soon as they realized that they could silence us, they could censor doctors,

01:15:07.200 they could censor scientists, they could censor individuals who were injured. They could stop them

01:15:12.000 from talking about their injuries. They could stop parents from talking about their children's injuries.

01:15:18.400 They did all these things to us. And we put up with it. And the press went along with it.

01:15:23.040 And very shamefully, they became, they became, they became vehicles, stenographers for government

01:15:32.960 propaganda. And we all went along with it. And then what did they do? They immediately went after

01:15:39.120 the other leg of the first amendment was freedom of religion. They closed every church in this country 0.87

01:15:44.720 for a year. Could you imagine? Can you imagine if somebody told you five years ago, the government's

01:15:53.520 going to close every church in this country, you would say there's no way that that's going to happen.

01:15:58.000 And yet it happened. And they went after the third leg of the first amendment, which is freedom of

01:16:03.600 assembly with these social distancing mandates that had no scientific basis. And they went after the

01:16:11.680 fifth amendment, which is property rights. They shut down 3.3 million businesses with no due process,

01:16:18.560 no just compensation, no public hearing, no environmental impact statement, no notice and

01:16:26.480 comment rulemaking. All of the procedures that guaranteed democracy in the regulatory process were

01:16:34.880 abandoned. And you just had one guy, a 50-year bureaucrat who's never been elected to anything,

01:16:41.200 who says shut down all your businesses. Shut down the small businesses, but keep Target and Walmart open.

01:16:48.880 And shut down the churches, but keep the liquor stores open.

01:16:55.440 And keep Facebook and all the people who are cooperating with the government, Facebook,

01:17:01.360 Instagram, Google, and who are censoring speech for us, keep all them open. And shut down all the

01:17:07.840 little guys and destroy our communities. We put up with it. Then they got rid of jury trials. The

01:17:15.280 Seventh Amendment says no American shall be denied the right of a trial before a jury of his peers in

01:17:22.160 case of controversies exceeding $25 in value. Well, there's no pandemic exception. There's no epidemic

01:17:33.280 exception. And yet they said, shut down. Any corporation, any hospital, any doctor who injured you

01:17:45.040 negligently, recklessly, without, who was involved in applying a countermeasure cannot be sued, no matter

01:17:53.040 how grievous their, their, their behavior, no matter how egregious your injury. And for the first time,

01:18:01.280 so these are all, and then the Fourth Amendment guarantees against illegal searches and seizures.

01:18:08.560 You know, it was all completely abandoned with these track and trace surveillance measures that

01:18:13.840 we were all subjected to where you had to give your medical records before you leave your home.

01:18:18.400 So virtually all of the rights in the Constitution, except the Second Amendment,

01:18:23.440 and probably because there is a Second Amendment.

01:18:32.080 That was the only one they didn't mess with. But all the other ones they got rid of. So if you're asking,

01:18:37.600 you know, what's changed? That's what's changed now. They said to us, oh, we're going to give all

01:18:44.080 those back to you. And they did. So today we have those back. But they've established this very,

01:18:50.320 very dangerous precedent, where if there's another emergency, and you know, they can cook up a pandemic

01:18:56.880 anytime they want. That's what gain of function is all about. And they, and anytime if there's the next,

01:19:06.400 the monkeypox pandemic, or the dengue pandemic, or you know, or the Ebola pandemic that are all in the pipeline,

01:19:14.400 when those happen, we again are going to be asked to abandon all of our rights. And most people are

01:19:20.240 going to put up with it. And yeah, not all people.

01:19:26.560 So what happens when there is the next emergency? And maybe it's not, maybe it's a war.

01:19:33.120 And maybe it's a war. Maybe it's, maybe it's an economic collapse.

01:19:36.720 Well, that's right. So how do we respond when we're told to abandon the Bill of Rights,

01:19:42.400 our birthright? How do we respond?

01:19:45.200 As I said, we resist, resist, resist.

01:19:49.280 The Constitution was written for hard times. It wasn't written for easy times. It was written for

01:20:06.240 hard times. And you know, and I've said this to you before, Tucker, that during the American

01:20:14.560 Revolution, there were two large epidemics, one of them a malaria epidemic that decimated the armies

01:20:23.440 of Virginia. And then there was a smallpox epidemic that decimated the army of New England at the very

01:20:29.600 time that Benedict Arnold, who was our greatest general, our greatest military strategist during the

01:20:35.520 war, had captured the city of Montreal and captured Canada. And because of the smallpox epidemic of

01:20:44.400 the American troops, he didn't have the manpower to hold the city and had to withdraw. Otherwise,

01:20:51.600 Canada today would be part of the United States. And the framers of the Constitution knew that.

01:20:58.080 And between the end of the revolution and 1792, when we ratified the Bill of Rights through that

01:21:06.720 10-year period, there were epidemics in every city in our country, malaria epidemics, smallpox,

01:21:12.800 yellow fever, cholera, typhus, typhoid, that killed tens of thousands of people, decimated population.

01:21:20.160 All the framers knew about that, but they did not put an epidemic exception in the United States

01:21:25.280 Constitution. And during the Civil War, the Confederates were sending agents provocateurs northward

01:21:36.160 into U.S. cities to drum up draft riots. And those draft riots were threatening the entire structure of

01:21:44.800 union society and the military efforts. And Abraham Lincoln, in an effort to avert any more draft riots,

01:21:53.680 began arresting these Confederate agent provocateurs when they came into the northern cities before they

01:22:01.760 did anything wrong. That was a violation of habeas corpus. But he said, we've got to do it because

01:22:08.320 it's vital for the life of our nation. At that time, over 600,000 Americans had died in the Civil War.

01:22:17.360 And it's the equivalent of 12 to 15 million people dying today. And our country was being torn apart,

01:22:26.000 and we didn't know if it was going to survive. So the life of the nation was at stake.

01:22:31.120 And that case that his habeas corpus declaration was challenged in the Supreme Court, and Justice Roger

01:22:39.440 Taney said, you can't do it. Even if the life of the nation is at stake, even if tens of thousands of

01:22:46.560 lives are at stake, you can't do it. It's the Constitution. It was written for hard times.

01:22:53.360 There is no circumstance in which it can be waived. And I think that we all have to remember that.

01:23:00.080 Do you foresee, you said resist, resist, resist. I remember growing up, you know, nonviolent resistance

01:23:13.680 in the name of civil liberties was considered a great virtue, the most American of all virtues.

01:23:18.560 I don't hear that anymore. But is that what you foresee? I would say, you know, that we all have a

01:23:25.840 duty to do that. We all have a duty to resist in whatever way is going to be most effective in

01:23:32.720 resisting the tyranny. And, you know, and we, you know, right now, Tucker, it's really more important

01:23:44.240 than ever because, and it's going to take more courage than ever. And it'll probably take, you know,

01:23:48.640 whatever it's going to take, it's going to take more than we've ever given. And the reason for that

01:23:53.280 is because of the emergence of all of these new technologies for surveillance and control.

01:24:00.240 And we all know about them. I mean, we, you know, that AI, the emergence of AI is going to allow the

01:24:07.600 intelligence agencies, powerful entities, not only to control us, but to warp our vision,

01:24:13.920 our understanding of reality. And we already have all of the, it's been the ambition of every

01:24:19.840 totalitarian system in the history of mankind to control every aspect of human behavior,

01:24:26.240 our interactions with each other, our relationships, our communications, our transactions,

01:24:32.480 our movements, the books we read, the, our, our letters to each other, communications with each other.

01:24:39.680 Of course, they've never been able to do that, but now they can, they can look at everything.

01:24:44.400 And, you know, you all had this experience. I, you know, I, two years ago, my wife and I,

01:24:53.120 in the privacy of our bedroom, we're talking about the fact that our mattress was, was, was becoming saggy.

01:25:02.720 The next morning, both of us got three mattress ads on our cell phones. And that's when it brought it

01:25:09.920 home to me that, you know, they're listening to everything we say all the time.

01:25:14.000 Did you replace the mattress?

01:25:15.840 I replaced my cell phone.

01:25:22.160 You know, we have all these devices. You have GPS. A lot of you are wearing GPS watches. We have

01:25:30.960 GPS in our cell phone that is tracking us all the time. You have GPS in our car. There's facial

01:25:37.040 recognition systems with, there are now permits issued or 415,000 low altitude satellites that

01:25:44.560 are going to circle the globe or that are stationary across the globe all the time. Bill Gates,

01:25:50.800 his company has 65,000 permits for satellites. He says his company alone,

01:25:57.200 his company alone is going to be able to look at every square inch of the earth 24 hours a day.

01:26:03.120 Oh, and you know, we all have Siri and Alexis in our home. See, we, you know, it's very convenient,

01:26:10.240 but Siri is not working for you. Siri is working for Bill Gates and for, you know, for these companies

01:26:18.320 that are monetizing the data. And every time you cough, every time you sneeze, every time your baby cries,

01:26:25.120 Siri knows it. And that's being logged somewhere. All these communications, our conversations with each

01:26:30.400 other are all being logged. This isn't paranoid. These are corporations are doing this because

01:26:35.920 they're mining our data in order to monetize it. But the same companies that are mining our data

01:26:43.120 are also sharing that data with the NSA and all of it's stored somewhere. And, you know, for all the

01:26:49.360 reasons that we've always, human beings have been in democracies have been paranoid about government

01:26:55.680 and keeping track of their, you know, private conversations, of their personal interactions.

01:27:03.360 You know, we need to be worried about that today. And all of these, all of these technologies mean

01:27:11.360 that the, you know, it's going to be very, very difficult for us to hold on to our constitutional

01:27:18.640 rights in the, in the coming decades. And particularly if I think if President Trump

01:27:24.560 lose this election and Kamala Harris wins, I think, I don't think there's any consciousness

01:27:33.840 in the Democratic Party that this is a bad thing. I think the Democratic Party now believes

01:27:39.440 they can no longer trust the public. They don't trust the demos. They believe that

01:27:44.080 the public needs to be controlled, that the information we get needs to be controlled.

01:27:49.520 It has to be censored, that the big, you know, threat to us is disinformation and misinformation,

01:27:54.800 which is, is anybody who tells you that is lying to you. Anybody who tells you that is trying to

01:28:01.600 manipulate you. But you're, you're a big person. You can make up your own mind about what is true and

01:28:08.880 not true. My kids do it. I say to my kids, look at this, look at this, this, this posting on Instagram

01:28:18.560 where, you know, the dog is eating the alligator. And they're like, Dad, you, you need to fact check

01:28:25.280 that. So everybody, everybody knows that you got to do research, right? And that you don't believe

01:28:32.640 everything you read on the internet. Louis Brandeis, our chief, our justice, Supreme Court justice.

01:28:40.320 The remedy for bad information is more information. It's never censorship. Censorship is a way to control.

01:28:49.440 Bobby,

01:28:52.240 speaking of President Trump, you've endorsed him for a number of reasons, but he did give us

01:28:57.680 this operation warp speed. To what degree do you hold him culpable for succumbing to the fear

01:29:04.320 you've talked about? Well, I, I absolutely hold him culpable, but here's what, and for a lot of other

01:29:12.160 things, you know, that I disagreed with in the first Trump administration, I, you know, I didn't like

01:29:17.840 seeing Scott Gottlieb cash in at FDA and Alex Azar running HHS. And, you know, oil, uh, lobbyists running

01:29:27.360 the interior department, coal lobbyists running EPA, telecommunication lobbyists running, uh, running

01:29:34.000 the, uh, FCC, et cetera. I talked to President Trump at length about this, and he said, look,

01:29:41.600 when I got elected in 2016, I didn't know how to govern. And to tell you the truth, it was

01:29:48.080 kind of surprising that we got it won the election. And he said, I was, I was immediately

01:29:56.560 inundated by lobbyists and business people. And they're all saying, you point this guy,

01:30:01.120 point that guy, point that guy. And he said, I did it. And I wish I hadn't. And, uh, and,

01:30:08.240 you know, and he, he understands that Scott Gottlieb was cashing in, and he did a hundred billion

01:30:15.360 dollar favor for Pfizer and then went back to work for Pfizer on his board of directors.

01:30:22.240 And, you know, and so I think that President Trump has said to me that we're going to do

01:30:28.400 something different this time. And that's why, that's why he launched the transition team

01:30:44.800 five months before he takes power. The last time he did his transition team, he started in January.

01:30:50.160 He's now launched it. I'm on it. Tulsi's on it.

01:31:04.560 You know, Donald Jr. is on it. And, you know, a lot of, I, I had an impression that Donald Jr. was

01:31:11.440 kind of a lightweight. And, but I've gotten to know him and he's exactly the opposite of that. He's very

01:31:18.640 thoughtful. He's really well-informed and he understands who the bad guys are. He does not

01:31:24.320 like the neocons. He does not like the constant wars. He does not, he doesn't, he wants to restore

01:31:32.960 public health. He loves the environment. He loves the rivers and the streams and the waterways. And he

01:31:38.400 wants to protect those things. And, um, you know, I have nothing but respect for him. And, uh, it's a,

01:31:46.560 there's a lot of really, really good, uh, energy that is part of this transition team now. So.

01:31:52.800 So that, that leads to my, to my, I agree with your assessment of John Jr. completely. And then,

01:31:58.480 as you know, having lived around famous people your whole life, the perceptions of people are

01:32:02.640 sometimes accurate, sometimes are the opposite of what you're told. And he's definitely in that

01:32:07.120 category. Um, how do you envision your role, your role in a Trump administration? Uh, you know, I,

01:32:14.400 President Trump has asked me specifically to do two things. One, to help unravel the,

01:32:24.960 the, the capture of the agencies by, uh, by corrupt influence. In other words, to drain the swamp.

01:32:32.640 And, uh, you know, I, I, I gotta say something about President Trump. Uh, President Trump has

01:32:47.440 to make extraordinary gifts. And one of them is that he has very, very good instincts. And when he

01:32:52.320 came out the first time, you remember, he was, uh, very against the lockdowns publicly. He was for

01:33:00.880 hydroxychloroquine. He, he was, he was for alternative medicines. He was, uh, he was against the mass.

01:33:10.560 He was doing, but he got, but all of his, he was surrounded by bureaucrats who, and, you know,

01:33:17.680 knowledgeable experts who, you know, ultimately pushed back on those assumptions and get him, got him,

01:33:25.440 you know, got us into some policies that I think were really bad for our country. He's not going to do that

01:33:30.480 again. And his insight, and he wanted to end the wars. He said back then, we don't want to go into

01:33:38.160 Ukraine war. I'd rather make a deal than have a war. So, uh, I think that, um, and he's asked me to do

01:33:45.840 that, and he's asked me to help him end the childhood disease, chronic disease epidemic, and make

01:33:52.560 Americans healthy again. And if given the power to do that, what'll you do? You may, well, I, that's unclear,

01:34:04.080 because there's no, you know, at this point, I'm, thank you. I'm, I, I, like I said, I'm on the

01:34:11.600 transition committee and there's no, uh, there, I don't, we don't have, uh, and, you know, I, I don't

01:34:20.400 have a post for myself that's picked out. I know that I'm going to be deeply involved in helping to

01:34:27.280 choose the people who are, uh, who are, who can run FDA and NIH and CDC in a way that restores public

01:34:37.040 health rather than, rather than... Can you imagine if you're at FDA or NIH and Bobby Kennedy all of a

01:34:48.320 sudden? I mean, they must be dying. They must be dying. But I'll, I'll bring in people to run those

01:35:00.400 agencies like Cali means, like Casey means. You think they're going to, I mean, they have nightmares

01:35:13.360 about that. Yeah, they should. Yeah. And they should. Bobby Kennedy, thank you. May they have

01:35:20.800 more nightmares. Larry Elder, thank you very much. The big tech companies censor our content. I hate

01:35:33.200 to tell you that it's still going on in 2024, but you know what they can't censor? Live events. And

01:35:38.480 that's why we are hitting the road on a fall tour for the entire month of September, coast to coast.

01:35:44.800 We will be in cities across the United States. We'll be in Rosenberg, Texas with Jesse Kelly,

01:35:49.840 Grand Rapids with Kid Rock, Hershey, Pennsylvania with JD Vance, Reading, Pennsylvania with Alex Jones,

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The Tucker Carlson Show - September 17, 2024

Tucker Carlson, RFK Jr, and Larry Elder React to Second Trump Shooting

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