The Tucker Carlson Show - September 17, 2024


Tucker Carlson, RFK Jr, and Larry Elder React to Second Trump Shooting


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 36 minutes

Words per Minute

159.18195

Word Count

15,367

Sentence Count

1,194

Misogynist Sentences

12

Hate Speech Sentences

19


Summary

In this episode of the podcast, I talk about how much I love the Midwest and why it's just the sweetest part of the country. I also talk about why I decided to do a live show in front of thousands of people for the first time in 33 years, and why I think it's one of the most important things you can do in your life to be honest with your audience and let them know that they can be as honest as they want without fear of censorship or fear of lying. I hope you enjoy it and tweet me if you do! with any questions or comments. Timestamps: 1:00 - I m so grateful to be in the Midwest 4:30 - The Midwest is a sweet, sweet place 5:00 I m from the coast 6:15 - I love to hunt and fish here 8:20 - My wife is from Wisconsin 9:40 - The accent 10:30 11:20 What's up with the Midwest? 12:15 13:40 14:15 My wife s accent 15:00 | What do you like about it? 16:15 | I m in love with it 17:30 | My wife's accent 18:40 | I love it 19:20 | My dogs 21:30 // 22:00 Is it weird? 23:00 What are you like? 26:00 Do you like it here? 27:10 28:10 | What's your favorite part of my hometown? 29: Is it nice? 30:00 / 32:00 Are you missing something? 31:00? 35:00 Can I do something better? 36:00 // 33:00 Where do you want me to go back to the Midwest ? 37:00 How do you think I m going to go to the next stop on my next stop? 39:00 Why do I like it more? 40:00 I m coming back to Wisconsin? 45:00 My favorite place? 41: Is there a better place to eat meatloaf? 46:00 @ least? 47:00 Don t forget to send me a picture of you? 44:00 Thank you, I m thinking I m having a good time in this area? , 47:40 Do you have a question or a question?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Thank you, thank you. I'm really happy to, I'm really happy to be here.
00:00:14.720 It's, I've spent, thank you.
00:00:20.400 It's so funny. I was just in this building in July. I had no idea it was the same building
00:00:36.000 until it was pulling up tonight. I was like, that looks very familiar.
00:00:41.280 I'm so grateful to be here. I am actually. And I just want to be clear, I like every part of
00:00:49.680 the United States. I'm from here. I was born here. I will die here. Hopefully not too soon.
00:00:56.880 But I've made that commitment and I'm going to be buried near my dogs.
00:01:01.680 So, but I love the whole country. I grew up on one coast. I live on the other. Whoever
00:01:05.280 clapped for me being buried next to my dogs, I like you because I feel that way.
00:01:10.960 But I have to say, and this is not pandering. This is totally sincere.
00:01:15.360 I especially love this part of the Midwest. I just love it.
00:01:20.640 And I love it for incredibly shallow reasons that I'll just, first of all, I love to hunt and fish
00:01:30.160 here. I love your muskies. I love your grouse. The friends who I go on an annual hunting trip with
00:01:37.280 in two weeks. The first thing I'm doing when I get off tour is coming back to Wisconsin
00:01:40.560 to catch your fish and try to shoot your birds. I probably won't. Don't worry. They're safe.
00:01:49.040 But the real reason I love the Midwest, particularly this part of it is because I married a girl from
00:01:53.840 this area. And I just love the accent. I think it's hilarious. I've been with her 40 years next
00:02:02.160 week. I met her 40 years ago next week. And when I first started dating her, I thought, you know,
00:02:08.480 I'm sure the accent will sort of lighten up a little bit, you know, over time. It has not at all.
00:02:17.040 It's still a car, a car, which is like a motor vehicle.
00:02:20.160 If I say to my dogs, let's go to the park, they look at me like, what? But if I say the park,
00:02:27.600 bam, they're up. And so I associate that accent with niceness and particularly nice women. So I'm
00:02:35.360 walking through downtown Milwaukee today and I hear people speaking in this accent and I almost want
00:02:41.280 to walk up and introduce myself and be like, oh, it's so nice to meet you. And I thought, you know,
00:02:45.120 maybe, I don't know, maybe you get shot doing that. But everyone actually was nice. I just think
00:02:51.120 it's the, it's just the sweetest part of the country. So thank you so much. We have it even
00:02:57.440 in my kitchen, the Midwestern sensibility. We're very big on meatloaf in my house, actually. I don't
00:03:03.360 even know if they still serve it here, but in the seventies in the Midwest, everyone ate meatloaf
00:03:07.200 every day. And so we still do. So the reason that it's funny, the reason that we're doing this tour,
00:03:15.040 we're doing, this is where this is our eighth night and we're doing the entire month of September.
00:03:19.520 And the real reason I wanted to do it was it became, we, I now work on the internet.
00:03:24.400 Um, and before then I worked in television and the frustrating thing about, I know. Yeah. Okay.
00:03:30.000 Um, the frustrating thing about both of them is, you know, there's a lot of censorship and now more
00:03:35.920 than ever. And so I just thought to myself, the one thing that you can't censor is a live event.
00:03:41.520 You know, you can really be completely honest because the people are right there. And if you're,
00:03:48.480 you know, in a room full of thousands of people, you can feel, you know, very strong. Now I'm
00:03:54.000 revealing I'm from California, but a vibe coming off the people. And it's just wonderful. And people
00:03:59.680 can be as honest as they want, which is extremely honest. And so I thought, I just need to do that
00:04:05.360 after spending all day worried about what YouTube is doing to our videos. I just want to get out and
00:04:09.680 talk to people directly. So after eight days, I'm thinking, you know, maybe I overstated it,
00:04:14.480 you know, maybe the censorship, the distortion of the facts, the lying, the massive deception
00:04:19.680 machine I've been a part of for 33 years now in the media. Maybe it's not as bad as I thought.
00:04:26.000 And then someone tries to shoot Trump again. Um, I was here actually the last time someone tried to
00:04:32.320 shoot Trump around. I was here in this room. Um, and now I'm back again, two days after. And I,
00:04:39.280 I am shocked watching the lying in real time. Shocked. Um, I was, was it two days ago?
00:04:49.040 And all of a sudden we're getting these reports. I call in there and get all the facts. And then I
00:04:52.880 thought, you know, what are they saying in the media about it? So the first thing, if you tuned in,
00:04:56.080 that you learned was, um, that he was shot by a Trump supporter, which totally makes sense.
00:05:03.600 The guy loved him so much. He, you know, brought a rifle to the golf course and tried to murder him.
00:05:07.520 I mean, that's kind of the way it works. It's like Putin blowing up his own natural gas pipeline.
00:05:11.200 That makes sense. Totally. He's so evil. He's attacking himself. Right.
00:05:17.200 Self-harm being like sort of the natural. Um, and I'm, I'm watching this. They're literally
00:05:25.760 telling me that this guy whom they've arrested is a Trump supporter. Huh? So you flip channels
00:05:31.920 and then you learn that I flipped over to a channel I used to work on. And there's Lindsey Graham.
00:05:38.640 And I know, I know, I know. He's a Republican Senator from one of the most conservative states.
00:05:45.600 How does that happen? By the way, if democracy is real, how is Lindsey Graham a senator? But whatever.
00:05:51.760 So I'm watching Lindsey Graham and Lindsey Graham's looking right into the camera. He's like, you know,
00:05:55.280 who did this Iran? Iran? So I looked into this. Yeah, that's for sure. Well, it turns out someone
00:06:04.240 who's yelled warmonger. Well, the guy who shot Trump was also a warmonger. And in fact, the closer you
00:06:09.920 look at it, the more you realize his politics are exactly the same as Lindsey Graham's.
00:06:15.040 He's a neocon. He literally volunteered in Ukraine. And Lindsey Graham's like, no, Iran did. It's like,
00:06:24.320 no, you have no opinions that are different from this guy's. And you're lying to me. And the audience
00:06:30.720 I used to speak to five nights a week, you were lying to them. I'm shouting this in my hotel room. Nobody
00:06:36.240 heard me. My wife was brushing her teeth. She's like, what is that? They're lying.
00:06:42.880 It drove me completely insane.
00:06:47.600 And there's no mention of the fact that this guy who, by the way, has been interviewed by every
00:06:52.320 media outlet in Washington, this guy was like a very famous guy. You may not even know this.
00:06:57.760 There's only really one place to learn any facts at all. And that's Elon Musk's social media app.
00:07:07.760 It's crazy. I don't have a TV at home, so I'm spared most of this. I have no idea what's going on. By
00:07:14.240 the way, I strongly recommend ignorance. If you're looking to stay happy in a moment like this, just
00:07:20.080 know less. Unfortunately, my job requires me to know more. But if you think about it,
00:07:24.800 did God punish Adam and Eve for ignorance? I don't think he did. He punished them for knowledge,
00:07:31.920 so maybe I shouldn't watch cable news. This was my... I don't want to know what they're saying,
00:07:37.280 but this week I've had to pay close attention. And every single thing is a lie, either directly,
00:07:44.000 or it's a lie much more prevalent and much more sinister. It's a lie by omission. They're just not
00:07:51.200 telling you the facts. And without belaboring the point, I'm using this as just one example among a
00:07:57.360 countless number of examples where reality is completely distorted and the average person has
00:08:03.200 not only no idea, but no way of knowing what the truth is. So the guy who is now in custody for
00:08:08.640 attempted murder against the Republican nominee, the former U.S. president, Donald Trump, that guy has
00:08:15.600 been interviewed countless times by every big media outlet in the United States. He's got, you know,
00:08:21.440 a criminal record, the length of your arm, 20 charges, including possession of weapons of mass
00:08:26.240 destruction. The New York Times didn't bother learning any of that before they held him up as
00:08:29.920 a freedom fighter in Ukraine where he was living. And then the piece describes the contact he's had
00:08:35.760 with members of Congress and their staffs and other U.S. government agencies. You're like, wait a second,
00:08:40.400 that's the same guy who brought a rifle with a scope to a golf course in South Florida to murder
00:08:46.240 Donald Trump. And he's had all these contacts with U.S. government agencies. He's like, I don't know
00:08:50.000 what that's about, but I think it's time to find out. No? Yes. But no one's going to find out.
00:09:01.120 It's just going to be memory-holding. In a week, it will never have happened. And you'll be the crazy
00:09:05.680 person for remembering. People are like, what? Didn't some Trump supporter bring a rifle because
00:09:12.000 you're against gun control or something? It's like, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what happened.
00:09:16.320 A guy who was a darling of the New York Times, who has the exact same worldview as Lindsey Graham,
00:09:23.040 decided to try and murder Donald Trump. And it will be completely gone. It will have disappeared.
00:09:28.160 And so I guess what I would say is that it's of vital importance to get unfiltered information from
00:09:35.200 honest people. Now, how do you know honest people? How do you know if someone is being honest? It's
00:09:39.360 very hard. But one of the main reasons you know, I don't know what you're saying, but I know that
00:09:44.960 I agree with you. If I could hear you, I would shout back whatever you're shouting because I feel like
00:09:50.160 you're on. From the pitch of your voice, I can tell you're onto something.
00:09:57.360 Well, I love you too. I heard that.
00:09:58.960 So here's the answer to the question. How do you know if someone is telling the truth?
00:10:07.200 And this has been my obsession for the last year, having worked in the middle of the deception
00:10:13.200 machine and not even realizing it. You know, until the day you get fired, you're like, what was it
00:10:17.520 like having an alcoholic spouse? Everyone knows, except you.
00:10:20.480 So I'm very fixated on this fact, which is that almost all of the information that we received
00:10:30.400 has been curated and spun and reduced in size. Relevant facts have been omitted. Irrelevant facts
00:10:37.920 have been pushed to the fore in order to manipulate how we feel. And so how do you defeat that? Well,
00:10:44.560 one of the main way that you defeat that your first line of defense are your instincts.
00:10:50.880 I have come to believe this. You know, when someone's lying, you can feel it. And I know this
00:10:57.120 because I have so many dogs. Here's no, I'm serious. My dogs cannot speak English that I'm aware of.
00:11:04.880 And yet if you come to my house and you're weird, my dogs know immediately.
00:11:09.680 They can smell weirdness on you. They can smell deception on you. They don't like you at all.
00:11:13.760 They will bark at you. They will cower in the corner. Now, how is that? They don't,
00:11:18.000 they haven't seen your tax returns. They haven't talked to your wife, but they know.
00:11:23.280 And they know because we all know. If you get a vibe off someone that suggests deception,
00:11:31.680 that person is lying. If you get a vibe that suggests weirdness, Tim Walls, for example.
00:11:37.520 I'm just saying.
00:11:38.240 First of all, I went to boarding school in the 80s in New England. Okay. We had doormasters like Mr.
00:11:46.640 Walls. The second I saw that guy, I was like, he's not babysitting in my house. I'm sorry. No way.
00:11:54.960 Oh, that's so unfair. No, it's not. No, it's not. Because my instincts didn't just alert me to this.
00:12:01.200 They screamed it full volume. This guy's a creeper. Period. Therefore, I don't have the evidence
00:12:09.920 necessary to indict in a court of law. I don't. I'm not going to press charges against Tim Walls.
00:12:14.880 Someone may at some point. It's not going to be me. Because I don't have the information. I have the
00:12:19.520 instinct and that's all I need. And the same is true, very true, for deception. And if you're watching
00:12:25.200 someone, I don't want to name names because I don't know what I mean, Lindsey Graham, and you look at
00:12:28.960 that person and you're like, I think that person is trying to sell me something. I think that person
00:12:34.400 may not be telling the full truth. You are right. You are right. Our main weakness as people is that
00:12:40.640 we override the truth as delivered by our instincts, by our higher mind, and we talk ourselves out of
00:12:47.360 knowing what we already know. You already know. And you know because God gave you those instincts as
00:12:56.160 maybe the most important gift you received at birth to protect you from deception and harm. Your instincts
00:13:03.920 are not trying to sell you something. They're not trying to get elected to anything. Their only job is to
00:13:10.560 serve you. So do not ignore them. You know lying when you hear it. I felt this during COVID. I don't I don't
00:13:19.600 think I passed high school biology. Pretty sure I didn't. I may have gotten the answers on the test from my
00:13:26.160 then girlfriend, now my wife. Actually, I did. I'll just be honest. I did. I cheated. Okay, I didn't. I did. I've
00:13:34.320 never admitted that to anyone. Don't tell my children. But that's true. I just didn't understand it. And so I
00:13:39.760 cannot pretend to be grounded in the hard sciences because I'm not. I'm deeply grounded in human nature
00:13:45.600 and in the way that people communicate because that is my job. And when they started telling me things
00:13:50.320 on television, I knew instantly they were lying. I had no idea why. I didn't know what the larger
00:13:57.520 purpose was. I still have no idea. I can speculate. I won't do it here. What was that? What was the point
00:14:05.520 of that? Well, to increase their power, to make weed stores more profitable and close down churches?
00:14:11.920 Yeah, I got that. But what was the big picture goal of that? I don't know. But I knew the first day
00:14:20.480 when I watched Tony Fauci talk on my show, I interviewed him. I had no idea Tony Fauci was
00:14:26.320 lying. I booked Tony Fauci. Tony Fauci is like the longest serving federal employee who lives in my
00:14:30.880 neighborhood in DC. Yeah, lock him up. Well, he's not locked up. He's wandering through our dog park
00:14:37.120 with Secret Service protection at your expense, by the way. Do you have Secret Service protection?
00:14:41.920 Yeah, no. He hasn't been locked up. He's been rewarded in Georgetown University. He's paying him
00:14:47.200 even more money in federal tax dollars as a hero. But I, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever,
00:14:54.160 only unerring instinct, saw Tony Fauci in that interview. And I was like, you're lying.
00:15:01.200 I didn't say that on TV, but I felt it so strongly. And I spent the next week trying to figure out what
00:15:05.200 he was lying about. And then it became really obvious. All of us are capable of that. Every one
00:15:10.240 of us is capable of that. And the truth, by contrast, hits very differently. When you hear somebody
00:15:16.480 tell a true thing, say something out loud, something you never heard before, something you've
00:15:20.480 heard a million times, but never thought about. When you hear a true word, it resonates within you
00:15:28.080 like a tuning fork. It hums. You can't get it out of your head. You may not know why it's true,
00:15:35.280 but you know that it is. The word, the true word is the most powerful force in the world.
00:15:43.920 In the beginning was the word. And when we hear something true, we know it. And the only reason
00:15:56.080 that we don't act on it is because we've been talked out of it by professional liars, or we doubt our own
00:16:03.280 gut instincts about it. And so what I would say to you is, do not doubt your instincts. If you see
00:16:10.640 someone, if you see Carmela Harris up there saying, vote for me, I'm actually a farmer from downstate
00:16:17.120 Illinois. You can see the black earth in my hand. That's my tractor behind me. Vote for me. I'll give
00:16:23.200 you a tax cut and a free AR-15 or whatever. She's basically making that pitch. She's running as some
00:16:31.120 kind of right winger. Have you noticed this? Yeah. The defund the police chick is somehow now a
00:16:36.640 conservative? Right. Okay. Got it. I don't even need to know her history. I don't need to know
00:16:41.680 anything about her. I listened to her talk and I think you're lying. And this is before I even know
00:16:48.000 that she was, you know, Montel Williams side piece or whatever. I know nothing about her.
00:16:56.240 That's just verification of what I already felt. I knew that without even calling Montel and asking him.
00:17:05.600 I knew who you were and we all do. So I would say hone your spidey senses these next six weeks
00:17:16.800 because you're going to be lied to at a volume with a level of aggression you've never seen before.
00:17:22.320 And the command will always be the same. Ignore what's right in front of your face. You didn't
00:17:26.880 see that. That's not real. You're crazy. That's really the message. You're crazy.
00:17:32.560 You can only trust us. The rest is disinformation. Okay. First of all,
00:17:37.520 anyone who uses the phrase disinformation is a liar.
00:17:44.080 Period. We're done.
00:17:48.640 Disinformation is not a category. There's only one category, truth or falsehood. That's it.
00:17:55.360 Disinformation is another way of saying, you're saying something that's inconvenient
00:18:02.640 to me. You are criticizing me. I don't like what you're saying. Shut up or go to jail.
00:18:08.880 That's not a valid category. That's totalitarianism. That's tyranny.
00:18:12.880 Disinformation. So anyone who uses the word disinformation is immediately on the liar's
00:18:19.280 side. Don't listen to another word. That person is your enemy. Listen only to people who care about
00:18:26.000 the only thing that is worth caring about, which is, is it true or not? Is it actually true? And the
00:18:35.120 people who care about whether it's true are your guides through a dark time. And they're your only
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00:19:05.280 front door of say your house for everybody in the world to see. Maybe that would be fine. Maybe
00:19:11.280 not. And while you're at it, actually take a copy of that same list of everything you've looked at on
00:19:15.040 the internet and post it in the break room at work. And then in fact, go farther than that,
00:19:20.400 blow that up and put it on a billboard over a major highway on your commute to work. Here's
00:19:25.120 everything I've been looking at on the internet. Would you want to do that? You don't have to be a
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00:21:27.840 So the first who's going to join me in just a second is my friend, Larry Elder, who I've known for a
00:21:49.120 really long time, who's a wonderful man. And of the many things that we have in common, Larry Elder
00:21:58.720 and I are both from Southern California, which used to be the kind of thing that, you know,
00:22:03.920 you bragged about. Now I tell everyone I'm from Sheboygan. No one believes me, but I tell them that.
00:22:10.080 Actually, Waukesha, but whatever.
00:22:11.520 But it used to be, I'm 55. When I was a kid, we felt very sorry for anybody who was not from
00:22:19.600 Southern California. You wouldn't say it right to their face because you don't want to be mean,
00:22:23.280 but we just thought they were deeply, deeply unfortunate. They just didn't know or they
00:22:26.480 couldn't afford the bus fare or whatever. But if you didn't live in Southern California,
00:22:29.840 we were sad for you because it was such a wonderful place. It was the greatest place.
00:22:34.400 It was the apogee of human civilization. And I still think that.
00:22:37.680 And it matters what's happened to California. And I find myself, since I live as far from
00:22:43.040 California as you can possibly live in the state of Maine now, you know, it's like a distant fact to
00:22:48.960 me. It's like a typhoon in Bangladesh. Like, I feel sad, but it doesn't really affect me.
00:22:55.040 But it actually does affect me. It's our largest state, actually. And it is a bellwether. What happens
00:23:01.760 in California does tend to move east inexorably. And so we have to care. And what is happening in
00:23:09.120 California? Well, I can promise you the entire American news media colludes to hide the truth
00:23:15.760 of what's happening in California from you because they don't want you to know what they want to do to
00:23:21.760 you is the truth. And Larry Elder knows he cares enough to have run for the governorship of California.
00:23:30.320 He's probably the last sensible person who ever will. It's a one party state. But he made an honorable
00:23:36.400 and good faith effort to dislodge Gavin Newsom. Some of us were really rooting for him. I had him on for
00:23:44.400 his announcement one Thursday night. And the next night was my last show because I got fired. So I wasn't
00:23:49.200 able to cheer him on from my perch at a TV channel. But I was certainly from the sidelines. So Larry
00:23:56.400 Elder is going to come out in about 30 seconds and tell us what the state's actually like. Because
00:24:01.280 you should know, even if you live here in the beautiful, unchanged Midwest. And the second person
00:24:05.920 we're going to talk to is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
00:24:08.720 And the one thing I would say about Bobby, who I've been friendly with and really admired for a long
00:24:21.360 time, before it was even cool, I had some secret opinions about pharma that I didn't want to share
00:24:27.520 in public since they were our biggest advertiser. But I have for many years thought he was on,
00:24:34.080 you know, on the scent. Like one of my dogs hunting down a pheasant in a cornrow. I was like,
00:24:42.000 yeah, you're getting warmer there, Bobby. But Bobby's life is amazing. I could go on for hours,
00:24:48.160 I'll do it in one sentence. What's happened to Bobby Kennedy over the last 18 months gives me hope
00:24:53.760 hope for this country. Because there's no one, you know, there's no one who's more of a Democrat
00:24:59.120 than Bobby Kennedy. He's now campaigning for Donald Trump. How did that happen? And it,
00:25:06.240 it happened because partisan politics, I'm just learning this in my advanced middle age,
00:25:14.080 is a lie, actually. So if you wake up in a world where Lindsey Graham goes on cable news
00:25:20.160 and pretends that he's on your side as he's lying right to your face to send your children
00:25:23.600 to go die in some pointless foreign war. And Bobby Kennedy is actually trying to save your children
00:25:29.920 from dying young from preventable disease. And if you're like me, you've never voted for a Democrat
00:25:35.120 in your life, and you never are going to. But you ask yourself like, wait a second, maybe this is all
00:25:40.720 fake, actually. And it is. The real divide is not between Republicans and Democrats. The real divide
00:25:51.440 is between liars and people brave enough to tell the truth.
00:25:58.000 And Bobby Kennedy's in the latter category, as you're about to find out. So with that, I am
00:26:04.480 honored to introduce for an update on the biggest, most important state, the golden state of California,
00:26:10.000 my friend, Larry Elder.
00:26:22.640 Larry Elder, I'm so honored you're here.
00:26:26.640 Are you aware that Tucker does not wear socks?
00:26:28.800 I don't wear socks. No, I don't. You get to a certain age and you're like, you know,
00:26:34.640 I still pay my taxes and get a driver's license, but there's some things I'm not doing.
00:26:38.080 I don't want to know what else you don't wear.
00:26:44.800 I'm in a commando unit, let me just say that.
00:26:49.200 Excuse me, I beg your pardon. It doesn't take much for me to get
00:26:53.200 right to the vulgar newsroom and deep inside me.
00:26:55.040 Um, so, Larry, you, as I said, I got fired right after you announced I was sitting.
00:27:03.360 I killed your show.
00:27:04.320 You did, you did.
00:27:05.840 I came on this show on Thursday and I announced I was running for president.
00:27:10.080 And by the way, this is kind of the scene of the crime for me.
00:27:14.480 You had the first GOP debate here in Milwaukee, and I was required to get three polls where I was at
00:27:21.520 one percent or better to qualify. So I turned in three polls where I had one percent or better.
00:27:26.480 I get a phone call from Ronna McDaniel and she said, one of the polls you can't use.
00:27:31.280 I said, which one? She said, Rasmussen. I said, why?
00:27:34.080 She said, because it's affiliated with the Trump campaign.
00:27:36.400 And it is true that the rules are, if anybody commissions a poll,
00:27:40.800 that person can't use it, nor can any other candidate use it.
00:27:43.920 So after the announcement was made that Elder didn't qualify,
00:27:47.440 Rasmussen puts out a tweet and says, we're not affiliated with Trump.
00:27:50.080 There's no reason why Elder can't use me. So I submitted a fourth one.
00:27:53.040 And she said, you submitted it too late.
00:27:56.320 So my lawyer is the former chair of the Federal Election Commission, Tucker.
00:28:00.240 And he told me that by failing to apply the debate criteria fairly to Elder,
00:28:05.120 what the RNC did essentially was to give an in-kind contribution to the eight candidates
00:28:10.240 who did make it on the debate stage. And based on the value of the time at Fox News,
00:28:14.480 that's a hundred million dollars. So I told them, I flew here to Milwaukee anyway,
00:28:19.120 on the eve of the debate. I said, if you don't put me up there by two o'clock,
00:28:22.720 I'm going to file a complaint with the FEC for a hundred million dollars.
00:28:27.040 And tick, tick, tick. I thought they were going to blink. They did not.
00:28:29.520 So they didn't put me on, as you know, and I have filed that complaint.
00:28:32.480 So we'll find out what happens.
00:28:33.600 So I guess my takeaway would be, are you saying the RNC is not totally on the level?
00:28:41.920 Shockingly. I think their goal, Tucker, was to reduce the number of candidates.
00:28:45.520 They thought that 17 was too many in 2016. They wanted to reduce it to a more manageable number.
00:28:50.880 I guess. I don't really know. And Tucker, I wasn't trying to displace Donald Trump.
00:28:56.880 I knew he was going to be the nominee. But there are some issues I thought were not talked about.
00:29:00.880 And I felt, if I could get those issues front and center, I'd do my job.
00:29:04.400 Most notably, the number one domestic problem in America, by far, is the epidemic of fatherlessness.
00:29:12.320 Forty percent.
00:29:17.840 Forty percent of all American kids now enter the world without a father in the home married to the mother.
00:29:22.560 Twenty-five percent of black kids in 1965, now 70 percent.
00:29:26.720 Twenty-five percent of white kids now enter the world without a father in the home married to the mother.
00:29:31.360 And the stats are clear. If you're raised without a father, you're five times more likely to be poor and commit crime.
00:29:37.440 Nine times more likely to drop out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in jail.
00:29:41.520 Now, what's happened? In the mid-60s, a Democrat, Lyndon Johnson, launched the so-called War on Poverty.
00:29:46.560 And since then, we've incentivized women to marry the government and incentivize men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility.
00:29:52.640 And nobody's talking about it.
00:29:56.160 So, the neighborhood you grew up in, the state you grew up in, you grew up with your dad at home.
00:30:03.760 We've talked about your dad. It sounds like an amazing guy.
00:30:06.080 But that wasn't weird, was it?
00:30:08.960 It was unusual when I was growing up for a mother and a father not to be in the home.
00:30:14.080 Now, it is unusual for a mother and a father in the inner city to be in the home.
00:30:18.400 And that's the big difference. My father never knew his biological father.
00:30:23.440 My last name, Elder, is the name of some man who was in his life the longest, maybe three, four years.
00:30:28.320 I'm not even sure that Elder formally adopted my dad, but my dad began using his name.
00:30:32.320 His mother could neither read nor write. She was irresponsible, lived off a series of boyfriends.
00:30:36.640 My dad, at the age of 13, comes home and starts quarreling with his mom's then-boyfriend. Elder was long gone.
00:30:42.800 And the mother sided with the boyfriend and threw my father out of the house, never to return.
00:30:48.800 Athens, Georgia, Jim Crow South at the beginning of the Great Depression.
00:30:52.720 And my father picked up trash, cleaned up barns, did whatever he could, became a Pullman porter on the train.
00:30:58.160 They were the largest private employer of blacks in those days.
00:31:00.960 And this little black boy from Athens, Georgia traveled all over the country, Tucker,
00:31:05.040 and came to this state called California, the city called Los Angeles.
00:31:08.400 And my dad was blown away. You could walk through the front door of a restaurant, sit down and get served.
00:31:14.480 So he made a mental note, maybe someday he'll relocate to California.
00:31:17.280 My dad always had packages of crackers and 10 cans of tuna, because you never knew in the South,
00:31:21.760 if you'd be able to get a meal. Pearl Harbor, my dad joined the Marines.
00:31:26.400 I asked him why. Are there any Marines here?
00:31:29.760 Are there any Marines here? Oorah. You know what I'm going to say.
00:31:32.880 I asked my dad why he joined the Marines. He said two reasons.
00:31:35.840 They go where the action is. And I love the uniforms.
00:31:40.400 Good reason. So my dad was stationed on the island of Guam.
00:31:43.440 He was in charge of cooking for the colored soldiers because the military was segregated in those days.
00:31:47.440 My dad can look at a cake and tell you what's in it.
00:31:49.600 So the war is over. He goes back to Chattanooga, Tennessee, where he met and married my mom
00:31:53.120 to get him a job as a short order cook.
00:31:55.200 He goes to three or four restaurants and he's told, we don't hire niggers.
00:31:59.600 Goes to an unemployment office. The lady says, you went through the wrong door.
00:32:02.320 My dad goes to the hall and sees colored only, goes through that door to the very same lady who sent him out.
00:32:07.680 My dad came home to my mom and said, this is BS. I'm going to L.A. where I was before the war,
00:32:11.600 get me a job as a cook. So he comes out to L.A., walks around and he's told, you don't have any references.
00:32:18.320 My dad said, I need references to make ham and eggs.
00:32:22.080 Goes to an unemployment office, this time just one door.
00:32:25.920 Nothing's available. He said, what time do you open?
00:32:28.720 She says, nine o'clock, what time do you close? She said, fine. My dad said, I'll be sitting in that
00:32:31.760 chair until you find something. Sat in the chair for a whole day, came back the next day, sat there
00:32:35.440 until lunch. She called him up. She said, I have a job for you. I don't know whether you're going to
00:32:39.680 want it. My dad said, of course I'm going to want it. I'm starting a family. What is it? It's a job
00:32:43.040 cleaning toilets and Nabisco brand bread. My dad did that for 10 years, took a second full-time job at
00:32:48.560 another bread company cleaning toilets, cooked for a family on the weekend because they wanted my mom to be a
00:32:52.880 stay-at-home mom, went to night school to get his GED. After getting his GED, went to night school to learn how to operate a restaurant.
00:32:58.400 The man never slept, which is why he was so grouchy all the time.
00:33:08.640 And my dad started a little cafe, 47 years old, ran until his mid-80s. When my dad retired, he owned
00:33:16.160 that building. He owned the property next to it, plus the house is still in our family right now. He retired
00:33:21.360 with a net worth of above a million dollars.
00:33:26.560 So I tell you that story, Tucker, to say that being raised by a single mom is not a death sentence. You're still
00:33:33.120 responsible. Life is still all about choices. My dad was a lifelong Republican. My mom was a lifelong Democrat. You should have been in the house.
00:33:40.480 My dad said, Democrats want to give you something for nothing. You try to get something for nothing. You almost always end up getting
00:33:45.600 nothing for something. And my dad would say this, hard work wins. You get out of life what you put into it.
00:33:51.520 You cannot control the outcome, Larry, but you are 100% in control of the effort. Before you
00:33:56.320 bitch, moan, or whine about what somebody did to you or said to you, go to the mirror, look at it, and ask
00:34:00.720 yourself, what could I have done to change the outcome? And finally, he said, no matter how hard you work,
00:34:05.040 how good you are, sooner or later, bad things are going to happen, how you deal with those bad things,
00:34:08.800 tell your mother and me, if we raised a man.
00:34:15.280 He sounds like an amazing man, but he never made the sale politically with your mom.
00:34:22.080 No. Live to be 95 years old. During Watergate, you should have been a fly on the wall. My dad thought
00:34:28.080 Watergate was inconsequential. Even if Nixon sent the plumbers in there to bug Larry O'Brien's office,
00:34:35.520 my dad thought it was, so what? No evidence whatsoever that Nixon did it. He covered it up.
00:34:40.880 My dad thought it was inconsequential. And he said, over time, you're going to realize
00:34:44.720 this is no reason to get rid of a president. My mom thought it was horrific. She hated Nixon.
00:34:49.600 The polls now show most people believe that what Nixon did does not rise to the level of him leaving
00:34:54.560 office. My dad was right. Well, you know, it turned out that Deep Throat was the number two man
00:35:02.240 at the FBI working in concert with the CIA to crush his sitting president. So something we've seen
00:35:09.760 subsequently, but your dad was onto that. You know, you graded on the curve. Now look at the Biden crime
00:35:15.760 family, $27 million, all this corruption. What Nixon did was inconsequential compared to what's going
00:35:21.920 on right now. He didn't get rich in China, that's true. No, he sure didn't. So California, your home
00:35:30.480 state, my home state, give us a status report from the left coast, if you would. I think this story
00:35:37.440 probably illustrates how bad things are. I ran for governor, as Tucker pointed out. I ran in the recall
00:35:43.440 election. It was a two-part deal. The first part is, do you want this man recalled? And a 50% plus one
00:35:50.320 that said yes. Whoever got the most votes on the replacement side would have become governor.
00:35:55.200 I got 49% of the votes on the replacement side. The next highest person got 9%. The 49% was exactly
00:36:01.280 the same percentage that Schwarzenegger got in 2003 when he successfully recalled a previous governor.
00:36:07.360 Since then, there are 5% more registered Democrats, 25% fewer registered Republicans,
00:36:12.880 and 50% more registered independents. And independents in California vote Democrat. There hasn't been a
00:36:18.000 Republican elected statewide in California in 20 years. So the race is over. I collected,
00:36:24.800 I raised $27 million in eight weeks, three and a half million votes. California has 58 counties.
00:36:30.800 On the replacement side, I carried 57 to 58 counties. The only one I didn't carry was San Francisco.
00:36:36.080 I didn't spend one dime or one minute campaigning there because I thought it was a lost cause. I lost
00:36:40.080 that by 149 votes. So the race is over, Tucker. I go to a restaurant in the west side of LA to meet a
00:36:48.080 buddy of mine. He's late. So I'm sitting at a table. There's a table next to me with two ladies. I think
00:36:53.840 they feel sorry for me because I'm sitting by myself. We start talking. It turns out they're 85 years old.
00:36:59.440 They've known each other since the second grade. One was celebrating her 85th birthday. And they told me
00:37:05.280 they were Jewish. One said she was a human rights activist. One said she was a psychotherapist.
00:37:09.280 And then about 15, 20 minutes into the conversation, one of them said, wait a minute. I know you.
00:37:15.920 You're that guy that ran for governor. You're that Larry Elder. She said, guess who we voted for?
00:37:20.560 I said, you didn't vote for me. She said, how do you know that? I said, let's see. We're on the west side
00:37:24.560 of LA. You're both Jewish. You're a human rights activist. It doesn't take Columbo to put that
00:37:29.760 together. You didn't vote for me. And they said, we didn't. Let me ask you something. How do you feel about
00:37:34.080 the way Gavin Newsom shut down the state in a more severe way than did any other governor because
00:37:39.040 of COVID while sitting up there at that French laundry restaurant, yucking it up with the very
00:37:43.360 same people that drafted the mandates, not wearing a mask, not social distancing? They said we were
00:37:48.720 outraged by that. How do you feel about the fact that a million people have left California the last
00:37:53.120 three years, the first time anybody's left this state in 150 years? We've lost friends. How do you
00:37:58.640 feel about the homelessness? They both told me that they had a homeless encampment near their homes,
00:38:02.000 and they were outraged by it. I said, how do you feel about the quality of schools?
00:38:05.280 Do you have kids? Yes. Did you put any of your kids in the Los Angeles Unified School District?
00:38:09.520 No, we would not because the schools are substandard.
00:38:14.160 So here we are completing each other's sentences, and you didn't vote for me.
00:38:18.080 I said, have you ever had a conversation with a conservative Republican before?
00:38:22.000 They said, no. She said, what are you drinking? I said, double vodka, splash of cranberry.
00:38:27.440 Other one said, what are you eating? I said, well, I wasn't going to have steak.
00:38:29.920 Now I'm going to upgrade it to lobster. You pay for the meal.
00:38:33.600 So we had a marvelous time. They had never had a conversation. Another one,
00:38:38.720 I have some back issues, and so a buddy of mine recommended a massage therapist. So he gave me
00:38:43.680 a dress. I'm assuming it's going to be some office building. I turn down a residential street.
00:38:47.120 It's a house. I knock on the door. Lady opens the door. She's got tattoos everywhere,
00:38:52.000 ear piercings everywhere but her eyeballs. I smell this big flume of marijuana. Not that I would
00:38:58.080 know what that smells like, of course. I've read about it. So she's working on my back,
00:39:04.320 and she's playing Motown music, which is my favorite genre of popular music. And you name
00:39:08.640 the song, I can tell you about it. They played my girl. I said, that was written by Smokey Robinson.
00:39:12.800 He wrote the song for David Ruffin, the lead singer of the Temptations. This song is written by Marvin
00:39:17.120 Gaye. Marvin Gaye was trying to dissuade it from doing that What's Going On album by Barry Gordy,
00:39:22.400 because he wanted to control. I went over every single, and she said, I know who you are. When
00:39:28.080 you contacted me to make your appointment, I knew who you were. I wasn't going to say anything.
00:39:32.720 Had I known you were this funny and this personable, I would have voted for you. I said,
00:39:38.960 do you know any Republicans? She said, no. I said, none. She said, no. I said, news bulletin.
00:39:45.200 We have personalities. We have senses of humor. I mean, honestly.
00:39:51.040 Well, I mean, in her defense, I remember that campaign very well, and I think the
00:39:56.880 LA Times called you a white supremacist. No, no, no, no.
00:40:00.720 Maybe she thought you were a white supremacist. I don't know.
00:40:02.560 Let's be accurate. I was called the black face of white supremacy.
00:40:06.080 Sorry, sorry. I worked very hard for that title, Tucker.
00:40:09.520 What does that even mean? I never figured. That's like a zen cone. That's the sound of
00:40:15.840 one hand clapping. I don't even understand it. Well, I've been on radio for 30 years,
00:40:21.120 and the first six months I was on radio, every third caller called me an Uncle Tom or a sellout
00:40:25.600 or a bootlicker, bug-eyed, bootlicking Uncle Tom, Sambo Tom. So I'm on the radio for about six months,
00:40:31.120 and I'm walking to a restaurant, and there are a couple of brothers sitting on a brick wall.
00:40:36.160 Based on the way they were dressed, they weren't investment bankers, and one of them said,
00:40:41.360 Larry Elder, I hate you, and I love you. Come on over here.
00:40:46.160 Now, Tucker, I'm thinking, if they were going to shoot me, they'd have done it by now.
00:40:50.800 I can't outrun a bullet. Might as well go over there. So I went over. He goes,
00:40:54.320 you know, I've been listening to you about four, five months now,
00:41:00.560 and at first I couldn't stand your black ass.
00:41:02.480 But the more I started listening to you, the more I said,
00:41:06.960 he ain't doing nothing but telling people to get off their ass and stop complaining.
00:41:10.640 You're like castor oil. It don't taste good going down, but it's good for you. Keep it up.
00:41:15.600 A lot of bad things going on in the world that honestly, not many of us can have an effect on.
00:41:28.160 Rising crime, failing schools, a tanking economy. What can you do about that? Well,
00:41:34.240 not a lot, but you can get your own house in order. And above all, you can spend money with merchants,
00:41:40.640 with companies that support your values, that are making this a better country and not a worse
00:41:44.960 country. But how do you find those companies? Well, that's where Public Square comes in.
00:41:50.000 Public Square actively curates the best products from America's small businesses to help families
00:41:54.800 lead happier, healthier, more productive, and connected lives. That means fewer errands to big
00:42:00.000 box stores, less searching to find wholesome alternatives to the garbage being offered in
00:42:05.120 our culture and more quality time spent with people you love most. If you want to fix your
00:42:10.080 country, you've got to strengthen yourself and your home and you need to spend your dollars where
00:42:13.920 they do good and not bad. Rebuilding America takes place one small change at a time with wise spending,
00:42:22.240 supporting people who support your family, not funding people who hate you. If you want to do that,
00:42:28.320 publicsquare.com is the answer, publicsquare.com.
00:42:47.440 That's such a great description. All I'm doing, all I'm doing is telling the truth.
00:42:52.320 Um, you mentioned, truth, George Floyd, um, four months worth of protests, violent protests,
00:43:02.560 25 people killed, 2,000 police officers wounded, $2 billion in insured property damage, maybe another
00:43:09.520 billion or two in uninsured property damage, Tucker. All because of what happened to George Floyd.
00:43:14.960 However you feel about what happened to George Floyd, however you feel about what Derek Chauvin did or
00:43:19.520 didn't do. There is zero evidence that what happened to George Floyd had anything whatever
00:43:26.000 to do with his race. Zero. The lead prosecutor, the lead prosecutor was a black man. And I'm a lawyer.
00:43:36.400 The most important part of a trial is the opening statement. And in the opening statement, he took
00:43:40.640 pains to say the police in general were not on trial. The Minneapolis PD in general was not on trial.
00:43:45.840 This individual is on trial for what he did or what he didn't do to, uh, George Floyd. And he never
00:43:51.280 even intimated that the officer committed a hate crime. He was never charged with a hate crime.
00:43:56.880 Yet you had all these protests all over the country based upon the assumption that what happened to
00:44:01.680 George Floyd had to do with his race when there was zero evidence of it. The police kill more whites
00:44:07.120 every year than blacks. They kill more unarmed whites every year than blacks. Most people couldn't name an
00:44:11.600 unarmed white person because nobody cares. If an unarmed white person gets killed, as my mother
00:44:16.880 puts it, he's just a dead fly. But an unarmed black person gets killed, in comes CNN, in comes the New
00:44:22.320 York Times. They make a big deal out of it without any understanding whatsoever what's really going on.
00:44:27.040 It's been studied for decades. The police are more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a
00:44:32.320 black person than a white person. By far. It's a lie. There's a website called Policemag.com,
00:44:39.600 and they asked self-described, very liberal people, how many unarmed black men did the police kill in
00:44:44.560 2019? Fifty percent of the self-described unarmed black people thought the, of the, of the unarmed,
00:44:52.960 fifty percent of the self-described liberals thought the police killed one thousand unarmed black men in
00:44:58.080 2019. Eight percent thought they killed 10,000. What you asked about the regular liberal people,
00:45:04.640 self-described? Thirty-nine percent of self-described liberal people thought the police killed one thousand
00:45:09.920 unarmed black men in 2019. Five percent thought they killed 10,000. The answer, according to the
00:45:14.720 Washington Post database, was twelve. Twelve. That's the gap between what the left thinks is going on
00:45:22.240 versus what is really going on, which accounts for why we had four months of protests in the streets of
00:45:26.160 America in 2020. So the, the numbers you just cited were publicly available. They were, they were right
00:45:31.680 there. Right there. But no one cited them except you and a few other people. So this is my last
00:45:37.360 question and most important question before I bring Bobby Kennedy out. What advice would you give to the
00:45:42.560 people in this room, since you are in that one hundredth of one percent of the population who says what he
00:45:48.160 really thinks, how would you encourage people to have heart to do the same? What makes you different?
00:45:54.560 Why are you able to just go on the website and see that it's incorrect and just say it in public when
00:45:59.840 most people are afraid to do that? What advice? It's what you said in your monologue. Think for yourself.
00:46:04.160 Use your own judgment. Be skeptical. Ingest the news in a discriminating way. The Media Research
00:46:12.240 Center found that ABC, NBC, CBS, 85 percent of their coverage was positive regarding Kamala Harris
00:46:19.840 and Walls. Ninety-three percent of it was negative regarding Trump and Vance. And ABC News was the
00:46:26.480 worst. Of 25 stories they've done since Kamala Harris became the presumptive nominee, 100 percent have been
00:46:33.440 positive. Ninety-three percent of the ones for Donald Trump have been negative. And ABC alone from CBS, NBC,
00:46:41.120 is the only one of those three that has never referred to Kamala Harris as a liberal or even
00:46:46.560 a progressive. You're being lied to. Use your own common sense. Use your own judgment. And thank goodness
00:46:52.160 for alternative sources of news like Tucker, like a Glenn Beck.
00:46:55.840 Think for yourself. It's not that hard. Larry Elder, you're a hero. Thank you. Thank you.
00:47:13.440 So, as noted at the outset, I would like to ask this man to join us. Bobby, thank you for doing this.
00:47:25.840 So, I hate to ask you this because it's almost too sensitive, but it just happened. And so, I can't,
00:47:42.000 I can't not ask you. There was a second, appears to be a second assassination attempt
00:47:47.360 on Donald Trump in just a couple months. What do you make of this?
00:47:51.760 I don't know what to make. I mean, I think we're seeing an impact, at least partially. I mean,
00:48:03.280 I don't know if the, I just don't know enough about what's happened. And I've been reading some of the
00:48:10.480 internet stuff about the connections that this man may or may not have had to the intelligence agencies,
00:48:19.280 etc. But I don't know what to make of it. I do know that there's a, there's an antagonism and a violence
00:48:30.000 in our society now that I feel is orchestrated. I feel that we're living in a,
00:48:36.240 a, and you remember a couple of years ago when they had the, the Walls Occupy Wall Street movement,
00:48:51.760 and they were trying to frame this debate as the 99% against the 1%. And I think, I feel like since then,
00:49:01.760 we've all been turned against each other where it's 50% against 50%. And at, you know, when the king
00:49:09.200 and queen go out on the balustrades of their castle and they look out across their people and they're
00:49:16.160 all fighting each other, they go back to the banquet hall and they pop champagne corks because they know
00:49:22.720 nobody's coming over the wall against them. And boy, is that true. And I think, you know, so many of the,
00:49:34.640 I mean, I, I announced my campaign almost 18 months ago. And what I said at that point is I'm not going
00:49:43.040 to feed into the vitriol or the anger or the name calling, the demonization of my opponents. I'm going
00:49:49.520 to be civil, um, to all of them. And I'm going to try to identify values that all of Americans have in
00:49:59.200 common rather than focusing on these smaller issues that are used, the kind of cultural issues
00:50:07.200 that are used to keep us all at each other's throats. Because I, you know, I've watched what's
00:50:12.880 happening in this country. And there's all these systems that have been put in place
00:50:17.680 to shift wealth and power upwards, to clamp down totalitarian controls on the rest of us.
00:50:23.040 And they all kind of culminated during COVID where we saw all of our 3.3 million businesses shut down
00:50:31.520 with no due process, no just compensation. 4.3 trillion dollars shifted from the American middle
00:50:38.720 class to this new oligarchy, um, that of billionaires. We created during five, during 500 days, 500 new
00:50:51.360 billionaires were created, the lockdown. And the American middle class has essentially been obliterated
00:50:59.520 in this country. And, oh, I think one of, and all this money is being shifted up to, you know, to Blackrock
00:51:10.240 and State Street and Vanguard and the, the other big, uh, financial houses and big pharma and big tech and big
00:51:19.920 ag and big, big food that are strip mining the American public of wealth, sucking it upward and, uh, and leaving
00:51:31.600 nothing below. And the way that they keep that system in place, that they keep us from doing anything about
00:51:38.000 it. It's to keep us all hating on each other. And one of the things that I admire about you is that
00:51:52.640 you have more children than I do, which is not that easy. Uh, you have a lot of children and you have made
00:51:58.080 your campaign about them, which used to be a pretty conventional thing. Politicians would run on children,
00:52:02.800 help the children, save the children, the next generation. You're one of the very few people who still
00:52:06.880 talks like that. Explain if you would, because I think you're sincere when you talk about it,
00:52:12.480 how children, your children, uh, and other people's children, mine, have inspired you to stay in
00:52:19.120 politics when you could have just gone away and gone back to L.A. How my kids inspired me to do that?
00:52:27.760 You know, let me finish the thought that I think I left incomplete on that last question.
00:52:33.120 I think the anger that we have at each other also turns into violence. And, you know, when my uncle
00:52:40.800 was running for president, I mean, when my uncle was president in 1963, there was a tremendous anger
00:52:48.000 that was coming out of the civil rights movement and other things that he was doing, shutting down
00:52:54.720 the, um, you know, the war against Castro and the war against, uh, against Russia. There was tremendous
00:53:02.160 anger and poison. When he landed in Dallas on November 22nd, there was a full page ad in the, in the mid,
00:53:11.120 the big newspaper in Dallas saying, wanted dead or alive, and with a picture of my uncle on it. And there
00:53:16.240 were posters all over the street that day. And there was, you know, my uncle was clearly
00:53:24.080 killed by the C.I.A. But there were,
00:53:32.960 but, but there was, there was also an anger that had been sown, um, across the American landscapes at
00:53:41.120 that time that I think, you know, contributed to this atmosphere of violence that led to his death,
00:53:47.120 Martin Luther King's death, my father's death five years later, and all the other assassinations
00:53:53.200 that we saw during the 1960s. So I, I just wanted to complete that thought.
00:53:57.280 But that was, I mean, that was over 60 years ago. And that institution, you know, those files are still
00:54:01.760 classified as you well know better than most. And those institutions remain intact. And except for
00:54:07.920 one series of hearings in 1975, there's been no meaningful effort to reform them. And you sort
00:54:14.160 of wonder, like, at what point do we learn the truth about everything federal agencies have done
00:54:19.520 with our money and our name? And at what point are they reformed? Yeah, I mean, I think it's really,
00:54:27.120 you know, we pad, there's an act called the JFK Assassination Papers Act. It requires all those
00:54:33.520 documents be released to the American public by 2018, all the documents pertaining to my uncle's
00:54:38.800 death. And President Trump, when he ran the first time in 2016, promised to release them,
00:54:45.840 and then he didn't, which always struck me as odd. And then President Biden ran promising to release
00:54:53.520 them, and he didn't. I had the opportunity recently to ask President Trump directly why he did not release
00:55:00.480 them. And he said that Mike Pompeo called him and said, uh, please do not let me relate, make me to
00:55:10.160 release these. It is going to be a calamity for our country. But President Trump says if he, at this
00:55:19.440 time, if he's going to release them, and I believe that he will.
00:55:22.720 So can I just ask, why would Mike Pompeo, who I don't think was even born or had just been born
00:55:32.800 when your uncle was murdered, why would he have an interest in keeping those documents secret?
00:55:37.520 Well, clearly, it's not to protect any individual, because virtually all the individuals who were
00:55:45.920 directly involved in my uncle's death are now dead. And many of those have, you know, gave deathbed
00:55:53.360 confessions or gave confessions of various kinds before they died. But it must, the only, I think,
00:56:01.440 the only supposition that is rational is that it's about protecting an institution. And I think, you know,
00:56:09.280 in the last tranche of documents that were released, and the New York Times even reported this,
00:56:18.960 and the Times has been one of the major bulwarks against conspiracy theories that, you know, that
00:56:24.320 depart from the single shooter Lee Harvey Oswald killed John Kennedy. They've been the big bulwark
00:56:31.680 against that. So it's extraordinary that they finally reported that Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset.
00:56:39.280 And that the CIA went to great lengths to conceal that, not only for the Warren Commission, and as
00:56:46.160 most of you probably know, Alan Dulles, who was the head of the CIA, who my uncle fired after the Bay of
00:56:54.640 Pigs, had then come back into public life to get himself appointed to the Warren Commission. And he was
00:57:03.680 really the only commissioner that was there for every meeting. He was the only one that was paying
00:57:09.360 attention. All of the other ones, like Chief Justice Warren was the Chief Justice Supreme Court. He had a
00:57:15.440 full-time job. The other ones were congressmen and senators and other well-known individuals
00:57:21.280 who were fully occupied by their work. The only one for whom it was a full-time job was Alan Dulles.
00:57:29.360 And his function was to make sure that any questions about the CIA involvement were quashed.
00:57:37.200 And he concealed the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald had been recruited into the agency in 1957 and 1958
00:57:45.680 and sent on a mission to Russia, which was a false defection mission, and then brought back to this
00:57:51.840 country. And so the first, and you know, many of us who've been studying the assassination knew this,
00:57:58.080 but has never been reported in the mainstream press. And after that last tranche of documents was released
00:58:05.280 five years ago, the New York Times finally acknowledged that. And there may be other
00:58:11.440 information related to that that they don't want released, but I have no idea what it is.
00:58:16.720 So what does it take? I mean, you can't have a democracy in a system where the public has no idea
00:58:21.280 what its government is doing, and that's what we have now. So how do you fix that? What would it take to
00:58:25.680 actually bring transparency to the federal agencies? Yeah, I mean, let me answer that in a second, but
00:58:33.440 but to follow up on your, what you, you know, why this is important for democracy. My, when I was a kid,
00:58:44.000 it was unthinkable that the United States government would lie to the American public. It was, it was in,
00:58:50.960 it was just, no American would believe that. And
00:58:57.920 the first time, and you know, we didn't, you know, there'd been, there'd been this, this tremendous
00:59:03.520 resistance to starting the CIA in this country. The OSS had, had been created, which is the first
00:59:11.520 intelligence agency that we had during World War II. But Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, were very,
00:59:16.800 very, very reluctant to do it, because they said secret police agencies are associated with totalitarian states.
00:59:26.240 The Gestapo, the Stasi, Savak in Iran, Peep in Chile, and that, and the KGB in Russia, and that
00:59:38.720 they're not something that are consistent. They're antithetical to democracies. You can't have them.
00:59:43.680 They're inconsistent with the democracy. So they've been very reluctant to do it. And then in 1948,
00:59:49.920 and so they disbanded the OSS after World War II. And then Truman became convinced that we had one
00:59:58.800 weapon, really, which was the atomic bomb. And he didn't want to use that. And he wanted to be able to
01:00:05.360 fight wars without getting involved in conventional wars. And so they created the CIA to do certain
01:00:12.880 things, to do espionage, which is intelligence gathering in 1948. And Dulles had come in very early
01:00:21.200 and changed the function of the agency to be kind of a paramilitary agency to fix elections,
01:00:26.160 assassinate leaders and do all the dirty tricks. My uncle fired him. But until when I was a kid,
01:00:36.480 it was just incomprehensible that the US government would lie. The first time Americans had inklings that
01:00:43.360 the government would lie was in May of 1960, while my uncle was running for president. And a U-2,
01:00:53.840 a secret CIA plane, a U-2 was not Air Force, it was the CIA, was shot down over Russia. And the US
01:01:03.520 government, it was a secret program. Those planes flew so high, and you could not see them with the
01:01:09.520 naked eye. And we, nobody in the world knew that we had them. They were flying at 60 or 70,000 feet.
01:01:17.120 And we believed they couldn't be shot down. In fact, there was a mole in Langley in the CIA who had
01:01:23.680 given the plans to the U-2 to the Russians, and it allowed them to shoot it down. And when they shot
01:01:29.600 them down, the Russians accused us of violating their airspace. And Alan Dulles told Eisenhower,
01:01:38.400 just lie about it. Because there's no way they have proof, and the pilot has committed suicide.
01:01:44.560 Because they gave him a cyanide shot, and they were under orders to kill themselves.
01:01:50.560 Well, Gary Francis Powers had chickened out. And he had parachuted to the ground,
01:01:57.120 and they had captured him. And the Russians didn't say that at first.
01:02:00.160 They just made the accusation. Eisenhower, at Dulles's advice, went on national TV,
01:02:07.600 and told the world and the American public, this is a lie. The Russians are lying. We do not have this
01:02:13.440 program. And then the Russians produced Gary Francis Powers, and Americans for the first time said,
01:02:20.000 oh my god, our president lied to us. And it was shocking. I remember back then. And then when my
01:02:27.440 uncle was killed, the Warren Commission report came out, and about half the people in this country just
01:02:33.520 said, that's not true. The government's lying. But they were dismissed as conspiracy theorists.
01:02:39.680 And then in 1973, the Pentagon Papers were released. And that was 27 volumes of thousands and thousands of
01:02:50.880 systematic lies. U.S. government officials, including presidents, had been lying to the American people.
01:02:57.840 And that's when everybody just said, oh, they lie all the time. And then, you know, since then,
01:03:05.680 we've now been convinced. I think most of the people in this room believe that any time a government
01:03:11.040 official tells you anything, if his lips are moving, he's lying to you.
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01:04:31.840 So why did so many people fall for the COVID lies?
01:04:47.280 I, you know, I think that the COVID, the COVID was, was, was in, I won't say the whole thing was a
01:04:57.520 PSYOP, but there was a PSYOP accompanying COVID. And, and they were manipulating,
01:05:06.000 they were, they were using these, you know, that we were hardwired in our reptilian core of our brain
01:05:12.960 to, when we're encountered something fearful, to retreat into authorities, into authorities that
01:05:19.120 are going to protect us. And those buttons were being pushed full time. We were seeing on CNN,
01:05:25.280 the chyrons every 20 minutes, the new death counts from COVID. The, the, the announcers on TV,
01:05:32.560 and by the way, television and radio and newspapers were calling all of that time when we, when we made
01:05:41.360 that big departure and the government really started systematically lying to us, which I think began
01:05:48.000 with the Warren Commission report. And that's why I think we have to go back and really get the answers
01:05:53.600 on that to write the ship. But during many of those years, the, the press was calling government
01:06:01.520 on its lies, but during COVID, they completely stopped and they were going along with it. And
01:06:07.280 if you tried, if any of us tried to say, well, wait a minute, um, you know, like I, in, in May of 2020,
01:06:16.640 I said, it's all the government agencies were saying the vaccines are going to prevent transmissions.
01:06:25.520 And I said on my, my Instagram account, the monkey studies show that they cannot prevent
01:06:32.240 transmission. I didn't say that because I was guessing it or I was, you know, paranoid. I was
01:06:37.600 reading the monkey studies and the monkey studies. They had given the vaccines to half the monkeys and
01:06:43.760 they had given a placebo to the other half. And they all got COVID and they all got the same amount
01:06:49.760 of, uh, uh, concentrations in their nasal pharynxes. I reported those studies, which were their studies.
01:06:57.120 And I got thrown off of Instagram and called a conspiracy theorist. Oh, you had all the press. And then,
01:07:03.200 and as you know, as you know, for the next year, they were telling us, you got to get this because
01:07:09.280 it's going to protect grandma. Right. You remember when they were telling us that
01:07:16.160 and they knew it was a lie. And yet all the press went along with it and everybody else. And, uh, and
01:07:23.360 I think, you know, Americans were, most Americans were terrified. I'll tell you, you and I have talked
01:07:29.840 in the past about, um, about the CIA program called MKUltra. So the CIA during the 1950s and 1960s developed
01:07:41.280 all of these programs to do social controls, to control individuals and populations. They were,
01:07:49.040 they were trying to develop, for example, Manchurian candidates, an unwilling assassin using hypnosis,
01:07:56.400 using psycho, psychedelic drugs, using torture, using isolation, sensory deprivation,
01:08:04.720 all kinds of methods that they were exploring, not only for manipulating individuals, but manipulating
01:08:09.840 entire populations. How do you get populations to comply? And that, that, that group of, of studies
01:08:19.920 was called MK, MKNiomi, MKDietrich, MKUltra. MK stands for mind control. And that's what they were
01:08:30.160 looking for, ways to control people's minds and perceptions. And one of the studies that they
01:08:38.960 funded was a study called the Milgram experiment that took place at Yale. And it was a young associate
01:08:46.320 professor named Stanley Milgram. And he brought about 70 subjects into this experiment. They were
01:08:54.240 from every walk of life. They were black and white. They were students. They were professors.
01:08:59.760 They were business people from the community, every kind of person. And he would sit the subject at a
01:09:05.920 table. And there was a person in the next room who was invisible to them, but they could hear.
01:09:11.040 They said, they were told that person is strapped to a chair and that he will be given an electric
01:09:18.240 shot when you, when you twist this tile. The subject would be told to twist the tile.
01:09:25.120 Dr. Milgram was there with a white lab coat and all these kind of ornaments that, that bespoke his
01:09:32.800 authority and his trustworthiness. And he would tell them, turn it up, turn it down, turn it up. And
01:09:40.080 when they turned it up, they could hear the person struggling, screaming, pleading. And a lot of the
01:09:46.640 subjects would say to Dr. Milgram, I don't want to do it again. And he would tell them, do it anyway.
01:09:54.720 Some of them began crying because they did not want to twist it up. But 67% of them turned it up to 250
01:10:03.680 volts where it was marked potentially lethal. And what Dr. Milgram says, you can look this up,
01:10:12.640 Milgram experiment on Wikipedia. I wouldn't believe Wikipedia, anything you read in Wikipedia, but this
01:10:18.480 thing is actually true. And 67% turned it up to potentially fatal. And what Milgram concluded was that
01:10:32.960 a figure of authority can persuade
01:10:36.320 people, the average person, 67% of people to override their most closely and fundamentally held values and do
01:10:50.800 things that they know are totally wrong. If they're told to do that by authority. And during the
01:10:56.480 COVID, I felt like we were all involved in a giant Milgram experiment where we had a medical doctor.
01:11:04.560 Which doctor to be more specific? Well, we had Dr. Fauci, we all know, and
01:11:19.840 who was telling us to do things that we knew were wrong. And he knew they were wrong. He would say,
01:11:26.480 one week, masks don't work privately and publicly. And two weeks later,
01:11:31.040 everybody put them on. Everybody put two of them on. And, and he, he would say, you know,
01:11:39.040 he said very publicly that if you got, if you get an infectious respiratory illness, you do not need
01:11:46.320 a vaccination. And yet he changed his mind. And he said, the best vaccine you can have is to have to
01:11:52.720 have the disease. There's nothing better. You'll never beat it. Then he said, even if you've had it,
01:11:59.280 you need to get the shot. So they were telling us things that they knew were wrong, but we,
01:12:04.640 we were doing it because it was an authority telling us. And then, and it also, there's another
01:12:09.840 phenomena that anybody who disagrees with that authority becomes the enemy. They become dangerous.
01:12:18.480 They have to be silenced. Now, the good news is that 33% of the people in the Milgram experiment got up and
01:12:28.480 walked out.
01:12:33.840 Those are the people in this room right now.
01:12:35.600 That's the people here right now.
01:12:37.120 So how do you break this spell? So I just think it's, I, the most interesting thing about you,
01:12:52.000 if I can say as an outsider watching carefully, is you don't need to do any of this. You've suffered
01:12:56.720 a great personal cost, I would say. Certainly in prestige in the world that you've grown up in and
01:13:02.960 banned from the New York Times and people call you crazy, but you do it anyway. So...
01:13:08.960 I'm not crazy!
01:13:11.280 No, but it's, it's true. So, and you've taken a lot of heat from, you know, people who are close
01:13:18.080 to you, but you do it anyway. Do you think that telling the truth out loud is enough to break
01:13:23.760 the Milgram experiment spell? Yeah, I mean, I, I think that's how we break it. Enough people have to
01:13:30.320 say, we're not going to do that. And if, if, and when you do it, I mean, there's a couple of
01:13:40.400 rules about totalitarian systems. One is, any, any power that the government takes away from us,
01:13:51.200 it will never relinquish voluntarily. Rule number two, any power that the government takes from us,
01:13:59.040 it will ultimately abuse to the greatest extent possible. And number three, nobody ever complied
01:14:08.720 their way out of totalitarianism. You have to resist.
01:14:19.280 What powers does the government now have that it didn't have 10 years ago?
01:14:24.480 Well, they have the power now to, uh, to revoke all of our constitutional rights. So,
01:14:29.600 and you know, that sounds like hyperbole, but think about it. They, they figured out, you know,
01:14:35.360 the, the most important right is freedom of speech. And Hamilton, Madison and Adams said,
01:14:41.360 we put that in the first amendment, freedom of expression, because all the other rights are
01:14:45.360 dependent on it. And I've said this to you before, Tucker, that any government that has the power to
01:14:52.000 silence its critics has license for any atrocity. And they knew that. So they put it first. And we saw this
01:14:59.760 dynamic during COVID. As soon as they realized that they could silence us, they could censor doctors,
01:15:07.200 they could censor scientists, they could censor individuals who were injured. They could stop them
01:15:12.000 from talking about their injuries. They could stop parents from talking about their children's injuries.
01:15:18.400 They did all these things to us. And we put up with it. And the press went along with it.
01:15:23.040 And very shamefully, they became, they became, they became vehicles, stenographers for government
01:15:32.960 propaganda. And we all went along with it. And then what did they do? They immediately went after
01:15:39.120 the other leg of the first amendment was freedom of religion. They closed every church in this country
01:15:44.720 for a year. Could you imagine? Can you imagine if somebody told you five years ago, the government's
01:15:53.520 going to close every church in this country, you would say there's no way that that's going to happen.
01:15:58.000 And yet it happened. And they went after the third leg of the first amendment, which is freedom of
01:16:03.600 assembly with these social distancing mandates that had no scientific basis. And they went after the
01:16:11.680 fifth amendment, which is property rights. They shut down 3.3 million businesses with no due process,
01:16:18.560 no just compensation, no public hearing, no environmental impact statement, no notice and
01:16:26.480 comment rulemaking. All of the procedures that guaranteed democracy in the regulatory process were
01:16:34.880 abandoned. And you just had one guy, a 50-year bureaucrat who's never been elected to anything,
01:16:41.200 who says shut down all your businesses. Shut down the small businesses, but keep Target and Walmart open.
01:16:48.880 And shut down the churches, but keep the liquor stores open.
01:16:55.440 And keep Facebook and all the people who are cooperating with the government, Facebook,
01:17:01.360 Instagram, Google, and who are censoring speech for us, keep all them open. And shut down all the
01:17:07.840 little guys and destroy our communities. We put up with it. Then they got rid of jury trials. The
01:17:15.280 Seventh Amendment says no American shall be denied the right of a trial before a jury of his peers in
01:17:22.160 case of controversies exceeding $25 in value. Well, there's no pandemic exception. There's no epidemic
01:17:33.280 exception. And yet they said, shut down. Any corporation, any hospital, any doctor who injured you
01:17:45.040 negligently, recklessly, without, who was involved in applying a countermeasure cannot be sued, no matter
01:17:53.040 how grievous their, their, their behavior, no matter how egregious your injury. And for the first time,
01:18:01.280 so these are all, and then the Fourth Amendment guarantees against illegal searches and seizures.
01:18:08.560 You know, it was all completely abandoned with these track and trace surveillance measures that
01:18:13.840 we were all subjected to where you had to give your medical records before you leave your home.
01:18:18.400 So virtually all of the rights in the Constitution, except the Second Amendment,
01:18:23.440 and probably because there is a Second Amendment.
01:18:32.080 That was the only one they didn't mess with. But all the other ones they got rid of. So if you're asking,
01:18:37.600 you know, what's changed? That's what's changed now. They said to us, oh, we're going to give all
01:18:44.080 those back to you. And they did. So today we have those back. But they've established this very,
01:18:50.320 very dangerous precedent, where if there's another emergency, and you know, they can cook up a pandemic
01:18:56.880 anytime they want. That's what gain of function is all about. And they, and anytime if there's the next,
01:19:06.400 the monkeypox pandemic, or the dengue pandemic, or you know, or the Ebola pandemic that are all in the pipeline,
01:19:14.400 when those happen, we again are going to be asked to abandon all of our rights. And most people are
01:19:20.240 going to put up with it. And yeah, not all people.
01:19:26.560 So what happens when there is the next emergency? And maybe it's not, maybe it's a war.
01:19:33.120 And maybe it's a war. Maybe it's, maybe it's an economic collapse.
01:19:36.720 Well, that's right. So how do we respond when we're told to abandon the Bill of Rights,
01:19:42.400 our birthright? How do we respond?
01:19:45.200 As I said, we resist, resist, resist.
01:19:49.280 The Constitution was written for hard times. It wasn't written for easy times. It was written for
01:20:06.240 hard times. And you know, and I've said this to you before, Tucker, that during the American
01:20:14.560 Revolution, there were two large epidemics, one of them a malaria epidemic that decimated the armies
01:20:23.440 of Virginia. And then there was a smallpox epidemic that decimated the army of New England at the very
01:20:29.600 time that Benedict Arnold, who was our greatest general, our greatest military strategist during the
01:20:35.520 war, had captured the city of Montreal and captured Canada. And because of the smallpox epidemic of
01:20:44.400 the American troops, he didn't have the manpower to hold the city and had to withdraw. Otherwise,
01:20:51.600 Canada today would be part of the United States. And the framers of the Constitution knew that.
01:20:58.080 And between the end of the revolution and 1792, when we ratified the Bill of Rights through that
01:21:06.720 10-year period, there were epidemics in every city in our country, malaria epidemics, smallpox,
01:21:12.800 yellow fever, cholera, typhus, typhoid, that killed tens of thousands of people, decimated population.
01:21:20.160 All the framers knew about that, but they did not put an epidemic exception in the United States
01:21:25.280 Constitution. And during the Civil War, the Confederates were sending agents provocateurs northward
01:21:36.160 into U.S. cities to drum up draft riots. And those draft riots were threatening the entire structure of
01:21:44.800 union society and the military efforts. And Abraham Lincoln, in an effort to avert any more draft riots,
01:21:53.680 began arresting these Confederate agent provocateurs when they came into the northern cities before they
01:22:01.760 did anything wrong. That was a violation of habeas corpus. But he said, we've got to do it because
01:22:08.320 it's vital for the life of our nation. At that time, over 600,000 Americans had died in the Civil War.
01:22:17.360 And it's the equivalent of 12 to 15 million people dying today. And our country was being torn apart,
01:22:26.000 and we didn't know if it was going to survive. So the life of the nation was at stake.
01:22:31.120 And that case that his habeas corpus declaration was challenged in the Supreme Court, and Justice Roger
01:22:39.440 Taney said, you can't do it. Even if the life of the nation is at stake, even if tens of thousands of
01:22:46.560 lives are at stake, you can't do it. It's the Constitution. It was written for hard times.
01:22:53.360 There is no circumstance in which it can be waived. And I think that we all have to remember that.
01:23:00.080 Do you foresee, you said resist, resist, resist. I remember growing up, you know, nonviolent resistance
01:23:13.680 in the name of civil liberties was considered a great virtue, the most American of all virtues.
01:23:18.560 I don't hear that anymore. But is that what you foresee? I would say, you know, that we all have a
01:23:25.840 duty to do that. We all have a duty to resist in whatever way is going to be most effective in
01:23:32.720 resisting the tyranny. And, you know, and we, you know, right now, Tucker, it's really more important
01:23:44.240 than ever because, and it's going to take more courage than ever. And it'll probably take, you know,
01:23:48.640 whatever it's going to take, it's going to take more than we've ever given. And the reason for that
01:23:53.280 is because of the emergence of all of these new technologies for surveillance and control.
01:24:00.240 And we all know about them. I mean, we, you know, that AI, the emergence of AI is going to allow the
01:24:07.600 intelligence agencies, powerful entities, not only to control us, but to warp our vision,
01:24:13.920 our understanding of reality. And we already have all of the, it's been the ambition of every
01:24:19.840 totalitarian system in the history of mankind to control every aspect of human behavior,
01:24:26.240 our interactions with each other, our relationships, our communications, our transactions,
01:24:32.480 our movements, the books we read, the, our, our letters to each other, communications with each other.
01:24:39.680 Of course, they've never been able to do that, but now they can, they can look at everything.
01:24:44.400 And, you know, you all had this experience. I, you know, I, two years ago, my wife and I,
01:24:53.120 in the privacy of our bedroom, we're talking about the fact that our mattress was, was, was becoming saggy.
01:25:02.720 The next morning, both of us got three mattress ads on our cell phones. And that's when it brought it
01:25:09.920 home to me that, you know, they're listening to everything we say all the time.
01:25:14.000 Did you replace the mattress?
01:25:15.840 I replaced my cell phone.
01:25:22.160 You know, we have all these devices. You have GPS. A lot of you are wearing GPS watches. We have
01:25:30.960 GPS in our cell phone that is tracking us all the time. You have GPS in our car. There's facial
01:25:37.040 recognition systems with, there are now permits issued or 415,000 low altitude satellites that
01:25:44.560 are going to circle the globe or that are stationary across the globe all the time. Bill Gates,
01:25:50.800 his company has 65,000 permits for satellites. He says his company alone,
01:25:57.200 his company alone is going to be able to look at every square inch of the earth 24 hours a day.
01:26:03.120 Oh, and you know, we all have Siri and Alexis in our home. See, we, you know, it's very convenient,
01:26:10.240 but Siri is not working for you. Siri is working for Bill Gates and for, you know, for these companies
01:26:18.320 that are monetizing the data. And every time you cough, every time you sneeze, every time your baby cries,
01:26:25.120 Siri knows it. And that's being logged somewhere. All these communications, our conversations with each
01:26:30.400 other are all being logged. This isn't paranoid. These are corporations are doing this because
01:26:35.920 they're mining our data in order to monetize it. But the same companies that are mining our data
01:26:43.120 are also sharing that data with the NSA and all of it's stored somewhere. And, you know, for all the
01:26:49.360 reasons that we've always, human beings have been in democracies have been paranoid about government
01:26:55.680 and keeping track of their, you know, private conversations, of their personal interactions.
01:27:03.360 You know, we need to be worried about that today. And all of these, all of these technologies mean
01:27:11.360 that the, you know, it's going to be very, very difficult for us to hold on to our constitutional
01:27:18.640 rights in the, in the coming decades. And particularly if I think if President Trump
01:27:24.560 lose this election and Kamala Harris wins, I think, I don't think there's any consciousness
01:27:33.840 in the Democratic Party that this is a bad thing. I think the Democratic Party now believes
01:27:39.440 they can no longer trust the public. They don't trust the demos. They believe that
01:27:44.080 the public needs to be controlled, that the information we get needs to be controlled.
01:27:49.520 It has to be censored, that the big, you know, threat to us is disinformation and misinformation,
01:27:54.800 which is, is anybody who tells you that is lying to you. Anybody who tells you that is trying to
01:28:01.600 manipulate you. But you're, you're a big person. You can make up your own mind about what is true and
01:28:08.880 not true. My kids do it. I say to my kids, look at this, look at this, this, this posting on Instagram
01:28:18.560 where, you know, the dog is eating the alligator. And they're like, Dad, you, you need to fact check
01:28:25.280 that. So everybody, everybody knows that you got to do research, right? And that you don't believe
01:28:32.640 everything you read on the internet. Louis Brandeis, our chief, our justice, Supreme Court justice.
01:28:40.320 The remedy for bad information is more information. It's never censorship. Censorship is a way to control.
01:28:49.440 Bobby,
01:28:52.240 speaking of President Trump, you've endorsed him for a number of reasons, but he did give us
01:28:57.680 this operation warp speed. To what degree do you hold him culpable for succumbing to the fear
01:29:04.320 you've talked about? Well, I, I absolutely hold him culpable, but here's what, and for a lot of other
01:29:12.160 things, you know, that I disagreed with in the first Trump administration, I, you know, I didn't like
01:29:17.840 seeing Scott Gottlieb cash in at FDA and Alex Azar running HHS. And, you know, oil, uh, lobbyists running
01:29:27.360 the interior department, coal lobbyists running EPA, telecommunication lobbyists running, uh, running
01:29:34.000 the, uh, FCC, et cetera. I talked to President Trump at length about this, and he said, look,
01:29:41.600 when I got elected in 2016, I didn't know how to govern. And to tell you the truth, it was
01:29:48.080 kind of surprising that we got it won the election. And he said, I was, I was immediately
01:29:56.560 inundated by lobbyists and business people. And they're all saying, you point this guy,
01:30:01.120 point that guy, point that guy. And he said, I did it. And I wish I hadn't. And, uh, and,
01:30:08.240 you know, and he, he understands that Scott Gottlieb was cashing in, and he did a hundred billion
01:30:15.360 dollar favor for Pfizer and then went back to work for Pfizer on his board of directors.
01:30:22.240 And, you know, and so I think that President Trump has said to me that we're going to do
01:30:28.400 something different this time. And that's why, that's why he launched the transition team
01:30:44.800 five months before he takes power. The last time he did his transition team, he started in January.
01:30:50.160 He's now launched it. I'm on it. Tulsi's on it.
01:31:04.560 You know, Donald Jr. is on it. And, you know, a lot of, I, I had an impression that Donald Jr. was
01:31:11.440 kind of a lightweight. And, but I've gotten to know him and he's exactly the opposite of that. He's very
01:31:18.640 thoughtful. He's really well-informed and he understands who the bad guys are. He does not
01:31:24.320 like the neocons. He does not like the constant wars. He does not, he doesn't, he wants to restore
01:31:32.960 public health. He loves the environment. He loves the rivers and the streams and the waterways. And he
01:31:38.400 wants to protect those things. And, um, you know, I have nothing but respect for him. And, uh, it's a,
01:31:46.560 there's a lot of really, really good, uh, energy that is part of this transition team now. So.
01:31:52.800 So that, that leads to my, to my, I agree with your assessment of John Jr. completely. And then,
01:31:58.480 as you know, having lived around famous people your whole life, the perceptions of people are
01:32:02.640 sometimes accurate, sometimes are the opposite of what you're told. And he's definitely in that
01:32:07.120 category. Um, how do you envision your role, your role in a Trump administration? Uh, you know, I,
01:32:14.400 President Trump has asked me specifically to do two things. One, to help unravel the,
01:32:24.960 the, the capture of the agencies by, uh, by corrupt influence. In other words, to drain the swamp.
01:32:32.640 And, uh, you know, I, I, I gotta say something about President Trump. Uh, President Trump has
01:32:47.440 to make extraordinary gifts. And one of them is that he has very, very good instincts. And when he
01:32:52.320 came out the first time, you remember, he was, uh, very against the lockdowns publicly. He was for
01:33:00.880 hydroxychloroquine. He, he was, he was for alternative medicines. He was, uh, he was against the mass.
01:33:10.560 He was doing, but he got, but all of his, he was surrounded by bureaucrats who, and, you know,
01:33:17.680 knowledgeable experts who, you know, ultimately pushed back on those assumptions and get him, got him,
01:33:25.440 you know, got us into some policies that I think were really bad for our country. He's not going to do that
01:33:30.480 again. And his insight, and he wanted to end the wars. He said back then, we don't want to go into
01:33:38.160 Ukraine war. I'd rather make a deal than have a war. So, uh, I think that, um, and he's asked me to do
01:33:45.840 that, and he's asked me to help him end the childhood disease, chronic disease epidemic, and make
01:33:52.560 Americans healthy again. And if given the power to do that, what'll you do? You may, well, I, that's unclear,
01:34:04.080 because there's no, you know, at this point, I'm, thank you. I'm, I, I, like I said, I'm on the
01:34:11.600 transition committee and there's no, uh, there, I don't, we don't have, uh, and, you know, I, I don't
01:34:20.400 have a post for myself that's picked out. I know that I'm going to be deeply involved in helping to
01:34:27.280 choose the people who are, uh, who are, who can run FDA and NIH and CDC in a way that restores public
01:34:37.040 health rather than, rather than... Can you imagine if you're at FDA or NIH and Bobby Kennedy all of a
01:34:48.320 sudden? I mean, they must be dying. They must be dying. But I'll, I'll bring in people to run those
01:35:00.400 agencies like Cali means, like Casey means. You think they're going to, I mean, they have nightmares
01:35:13.360 about that. Yeah, they should. Yeah. And they should. Bobby Kennedy, thank you. May they have
01:35:20.800 more nightmares. Larry Elder, thank you very much. The big tech companies censor our content. I hate
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