The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker & Charlie Spiering React to the Al Smith Dinner, & Why Democrats Are Turning against Kamala

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00:00:26.300 at tucker carlson.com here's the episode so how how long did you marinate in carmella harris

00:00:34.240 and how do you pronounce her name well as she she issued a ad when she ran for senate featuring

00:00:41.220 children to remind everybody exactly how she expected her name to be pronounced and obviously

00:00:46.860 you know that if she if you diverge from that then you are automatically accused of

00:00:52.420 um all sorts of things but most of all it's a very racist thing to do you saw the same accusation go

00:00:59.160 when donald trump did his al smith dinner speech said kamala and that made a lot of people very

00:01:07.300 angry who are still there how can you be racist if you don't know what race she is well she's i'm not

00:01:12.680 even sure who i'm discriminated against when i'm discriminating against carmella harris or whatever

00:01:16.980 name is right i imagine that if you if somebody mispronounced your first name then perhaps you

00:01:22.720 could say that well if i if i pronounce my own first name at least two different ways as she has

00:01:28.480 we have it on tape um then i think it would be a lot to attack other people for for pronouncing it

00:01:36.260 differently right it's something that if you're that insecure about how people pronounce your name

00:01:41.220 you know it shouldn't be you should just be able to either quietly correct them or be completely just

00:01:48.520 go with it yeah but she's made it very clear and spent money to make it clear this is how i pronounce

00:01:54.180 my name so how long did you spend like staring at kamala harris like how long did you work on this book

00:02:02.660 right so i started in january 2023 just doing the research and pulling everything together

00:02:08.340 so about a year i spent working on researching writing the book and wrapped it up the first draft

00:02:15.280 by the summer of 23 so just to skip to the end and we'll unpack it of course but did by the end of

00:02:22.880 your research did you like her more or less yeah probably less but i learned so much about her that

00:02:30.800 it just seemed you know she she frequently talks about you know never let anyone else tell your story

00:02:37.000 you tell your story she cites this all the time she cited it last night during the al smith dinner

00:02:42.180 video that she did never let anyone else never let anyone else tell your story you tell the story

00:02:48.000 and that statement strikes me as very fundamentally un-american right it seems like if you run for

00:02:54.440 office then if you tell your story it's probably not real there's probably a lot more to the story

00:03:02.040 than your preferred version and so that was a huge part of it just finding out more about her but

00:03:08.380 also just the endless talking about herself she and everyone in her social class and political party

00:03:14.400 all they do is talk about themselves right but only in very scripted ways right or how about at all like

00:03:21.020 talking about yourself is like and the i would say the main thing i mourn as i look back in the world i

00:03:29.300 grew up in that's now gone the thing i miss most is the directive that came very clearly from my family

00:03:35.540 and i think in most families like shut up about yourself already stop talking about yourself it's

00:03:40.200 not about you you freaking narcissist well that's why so much of her campaign depends on her identity

00:03:45.260 no but have you noticed this i mean maybe it's just the culture the angle culture i grew up in like

00:03:49.440 you were not welcome to talk about yourself all the time that was considered just not acceptable

00:03:55.880 at all not it's very rude and pompous like you don't want to be that person yes even politicians

00:04:01.360 are kind of encouraged to talk about other people instead of course but i think for her a huge part

00:04:08.080 of it is just crafting her identity from the very beginning yeah when she first started running for

00:04:12.540 national office she was very focused on creating this image of her as a person

00:04:17.580 um really baking in to her identity first of all that she was the product of that she always cared

00:04:24.440 about politics she always cared about justice she grew up marching and shouting with her activist

00:04:28.960 parents who pushed her in a stroller through these protests and then you know skip a few decades and then

00:04:35.780 suddenly she's sort of the product of uh the overarching progressive movement that somehow she's always been

00:04:44.340 this progressive liberal who has always been very focused on justice and truth and has made it part of

00:04:52.060 her life and part of her biography when that's not really true well it's demonstrably not really true

00:04:58.440 i'm not sure what is true about a couple of episodes in her life that i've heard really nothing about and one

00:05:03.900 is her high school years in canada and i think any adult looking back will concede that high school is

00:05:12.420 the period that forms you more than any other and that period in her life was spent unless i'm

00:05:19.080 misremembering in montreal canada right a huge part of her life was spent in montreal and so you're

00:05:25.180 kind of alienated from any sort of your upbringing so she's definitely alienated from san francisco and

00:05:30.680 the berkeley environment where she was raised kind of brought to a similar location academic

00:05:36.600 neighborhood high middle class i believe you know it was not a not a working or middle class

00:05:43.940 neighborhood in montreal in montreal yeah and she was the product she went to a school with you know a

00:05:49.760 lot of elites in the in the country and was certainly aware of what was going on but it was sort of she

00:05:55.080 was sort of alienated from the overall american experience right well yeah so she did spend her high

00:06:00.360 school years in canada and she might have gone home to california for some of the summers i think

00:06:05.200 there's evidence that she did so to visit her dad on a couple occasions but i don't think she spent much

00:06:10.720 time there did she graduate high school in canada i think so and then then she's canadian i mean why

00:06:16.820 are we playing i'm serious like why are we pretend it's like obama who grew up in indonesia i don't and

00:06:22.460 hawaii i don't understand why we're ignoring everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious you know you are

00:06:29.600 formed by your years in high school and so she's basically she was very inspired by people in her

00:06:35.720 life um people who were in california to go to howard this is definitely a product of kamala harris

00:06:43.360 seeking to sort of seize on an identity by going to howard in dc as you know this historically black

00:06:51.580 university and really sort of embracing that identity and using that as she moved back to california and

00:06:58.340 into the you know went to law school in california and sort of jumped into the legal world

00:07:03.060 yeah it's i mean the the peril obama is a much smarter and more talented i i think than kamala

00:07:10.760 harris but there is a similarity in that both of them have these rootless childhoods not their fault

00:07:18.000 of course broken families pretty tragic family situation for both of them and both of them

00:07:24.100 and neither one of them has anything to do with american black culture at all either genetically

00:07:31.460 or culturally they've just nothing to do with it and both of them decide to become american black

00:07:38.720 people right that's why she brings up who she calls her second mother a lot she was raised in a

00:07:44.380 by her single mom who was always at work and then uh in the same building there was a person who ran a

00:07:50.100 and uh daycare center miss shelton and this is the woman who is actually from the black south

00:07:57.000 she has that black experience she referred to this is the person woman she refers to as her second

00:08:02.320 mother who's a small business owner okay so this is the woman she was talking about in her speech i was

00:08:06.940 totally confused right who is this woman this is uh regina shelton she ran a daycare business in the

00:08:13.280 same building as as their apartment and she helps raise the children while mom's at work and so she

00:08:21.720 describes this woman as her second mother and this is the mother who is connected with the black south

00:08:26.580 that took kamala to you know kamala talks about her taking them to a christian black church where and

00:08:32.480 even she says they sang in the choir at this church and so whenever she's in a place where she's speaking

00:08:39.340 to the black church she refers to this experience whereas when she was running for office in

00:08:44.320 california so she went to a black church once all the time apparently yeah according to kamala got it

00:08:50.560 but at the same time when they were doing magazine articles with kamala harris's real mother she

00:08:55.500 taught said that and they were speaking to certain audiences her real mother said that she grew up in

00:09:01.700 the hindu temple and practiced all of the traditions and uh and believed in all the hebrew in all the

00:09:09.840 hindu uh religious practices so she was actually a polytheist in childhood right and when she first

00:09:17.720 starts running for office there's there's a couple incidents where she starts referring to um this hindu

00:09:25.620 goddess um and using her she uses this hindu goddess at i think it's poverty um who is both she's both a

00:09:38.500 vengeful warrior and also someone who's very loving and so she refers to this goddesses as someone who

00:09:45.300 inspired her decision to get into law enforcement and justice so what yeah so she goddess yes um

00:09:55.620 hindu goddess inspired her to get into justice someone who can be both a vengeful goddess but

00:10:03.040 also a caring and loving goddess was she suggesting that this goddess was real right this this character

00:10:10.380 in her in the mythology of the hindu religion i don't think it's considered mythology i think it's

00:10:16.100 considered real oh from if you truly believe in well yeah if you're a hindu i don't i don't think

00:10:21.000 i think it's fake i think you think it's real it's unclear and it may be entirely real by the way

00:10:24.900 right but from a christian perspective that's demonic so no i'm not right kind of taking sides

00:10:30.680 though i have an opinion but um obviously but as a as a theological matter those couldn't be more

00:10:39.660 incompatible with each other like you can't unless you're running for political office right then you

00:10:45.160 can take those the opposites that's like saying you know it's like you know going to a pita conference

00:10:50.820 in the morning and you know cattle rancher conference in the afternoon and saying i love

00:10:55.060 you both like that's just not possible but those are the best politicians

00:10:58.420 okay you covered the white house for a long time you're more cynical than i am okay that's just

00:11:04.900 interesting so she said she was inspired by a goddess right a hindu goddess to again from a christian

00:11:10.460 perspective a demon i mean that that's what christians think um i guess in the end she also

00:11:15.900 sang in the black choir and about justice and learned about justice and and loving thy name was she a

00:11:21.560 cantor in her synagogue too do you know i don't know maybe that maybe that's doug's role although i

00:11:29.340 don't know if he goes to synagogue very much i don't think so um okay amazing has she ever talked

00:11:35.340 about the canadian part of her childhood no not much oh yeah um that definitely came from her

00:11:44.700 mother and some of her earliest profiles um back when they were just running for her first office as

00:11:50.060 district attorney yeah and trying to make the case that she was a a real genuine person who really

00:11:56.860 wanted the job and had a cultural identity that was close with san francisco and uh really made the

00:12:03.100 best case for her and she was sort of running for office and she mentioned canada then no no canada

00:12:09.020 was not in the uh okay in the but but the goddess stuff was yeah a little bit yeah for sure amazing

00:12:18.060 um so the howard university years did she participate at all politically at howard that

00:12:28.620 we know of well she has a photo right of her protesting at some march on washington but that's

00:12:33.820 pretty much the extent of it she also interned in uh and on capitol hill with the senator um but

00:12:40.860 other than that there doesn't seem to be much very much political activity going on she's yeah a

00:12:45.500 democratic senator um and it's very clear that she's really just enjoying being at college as

00:12:52.780 most of us were when we were in college just enjoying being at college and i don't think the

00:12:57.340 activist streak was very strong back then um so i think the the first time that most americans who

00:13:04.860 are not from california noticed kamala harris was during the cabnaw hearings right but even before

00:13:11.340 that um when she won in 2016 she was sort of the one of the small victories for women

00:13:19.260 at a time when their greatest champion hillary clinton was vanquished by

00:13:23.660 at the time donald trump right and so when she declares victory in 2016 her her race for senate

00:13:31.500 she tears up her speech and delivers something entirely different um really trying to inspire and

00:13:37.420 encourage everybody who's watching and vow to be the next great fighter who's going to go to washington

00:13:43.180 dc and sort of stop donald trump that's kind of her her first message and one of the very first things

00:13:49.500 she does was that election night yeah wow night in november 2016. did she ad-lib that speech no i think

00:13:57.580 she and her staff went behind the scenes and rewrote it yeah yeah very quickly because they saw that

00:14:02.300 that things were not going well for the democratic party and one of her first things she did when she

00:14:07.980 got to washington was deliver a big speech at the women's march and basically saying we are here to

00:14:12.780 fight and so would that was the pink hat march yeah i got caught in that by accident oh most of us who

00:14:20.540 were in the capital were right yeah well i was i was just driving um to the gym to play squash actually

00:14:26.540 and all of a sudden it was over yeah my car was surrounded by all these fat ladies in pink hats

00:14:33.020 i remember thinking i don't know what you know i'm from dc i've been there most of my life and i never

00:14:38.860 seen all these people on 17th street it was one of those days that was very big like some protests you

00:14:44.620 have to really try to sell it as a as a big protest no no that was that was a big march yeah and as

00:14:50.220 someone who's really from the bottom of my heart pro women i just have always really liked women

00:14:54.860 um i started to rethink my position on women just watching the people at that speech they were

00:15:01.740 the most physically unattractive unhappy people i think i'd ever seen in my life i mean they were

00:15:07.740 just really a gruesome bunch it was like it was also a lot of like really like intelligent feminists

00:15:13.900 from washington liberal intelligent feminists who were out in the streets so unhappy it was like

00:15:18.060 every unhappy chick from bethesda was there you know what i mean like the moms you see at the

00:15:23.660 grocery store who just like hate their weak husbands and i just didn't realize that there

00:15:28.620 were a half a million of those people in the area but there were yeah it was very uh so she spoke at

00:15:35.100 that what did she say right she um well it's very interesting because part of her was still kind of

00:15:40.780 clinging to this idea that uh a regular agenda was a female agenda she talks about how you want to

00:15:47.900 talk about women's issues i will talk to you about finance i will talk to you about education

00:15:52.540 really trying to separate women have something special to add in those areas right it was like

00:15:57.980 she was just trying to say that during the speech she makes the case that you know all issues are

00:16:03.020 women's issues there's what's feminist economics look like yeah that was kind of her point right

00:16:08.140 it's just like but eventually i think because of the woman's march she kind of does sort of slip

00:16:13.580 into this agenda and certainly with the uh the the issue of abortion she really embraced that

00:16:20.540 but yeah her first idea is that the that women should not have kids women should have the freedom

00:16:28.060 to kill their children in utero makes them more powerful right does what did she mention the

00:16:34.700 goddess when she said that no this is the new connell harris this is what i somehow feel like the

00:16:39.020 goddess may be inspiring that position but i can't prove it right um okay so she gave a talk at the

00:16:44.700 women's march was um jogged my memory was that a big deal was she a major speaker that she was one

00:16:50.060 of many yeah yeah okay you know they get all the senators up on the stage at the same time right

00:16:54.620 they each get a couple minutes so yeah as soon as she got to the senate she spent a lot of time just

00:16:59.500 you know clashing with trump appointees right because that's what you do when you first get to

00:17:04.380 this right yeah for sure get they pick their cabinet and right they go through the the hearings and

00:17:09.820 grandstand if you can if you can make a splash yeah you can make a name for yourself and so

00:17:14.940 one of her first things she torments uh general kelly who was widely respected by partisan

00:17:22.380 majority of senators who viewed general kelly as a true public servant and she yeah she was one of

00:17:27.500 the ones that clashed with him and um prosecuted him and and basically made a name for herself on all

00:17:33.900 the different appointees and then yes then after that it was the whole um jeff sessions russia thing

00:17:42.380 she made a big name of herself then you know grilling jeff sessions and getting him to admit that if he's

00:17:48.620 rushed then he gets nervous and that was a whole big viral moment you know with the with the dawn of c-span

00:17:54.860 every every senator every congressman is looking for these sort of viral moments yeah just you know

00:18:02.220 springboard them into the future and so she really got this reputation as being a fighter someone who

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00:18:26.540 for president it was your chance i call it like the kavanaugh primary whoever does the best dance

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00:22:08.060 and so she spent a lot of time interrupting forcing um angrily

00:22:25.020 aggressively pursuing kavanaugh and trying to get him to trip up if you remember the famous moment

00:22:31.500 when she kind of made up this story when she's asking about whether or not he ever discussed the

00:22:37.740 russia case with any lawyer from this kasowitz firm in washington and kavanaugh's being very

00:22:46.140 careful because he doesn't want to be pushed into a perjury trap but he says you know i can't think

00:22:51.260 of any is there a moment that you're thinking about and she's indicating that yes there is a

00:22:55.180 moment she's thinking about and she's like but you're not going to tell me are you and kavanaugh's

00:23:00.060 still being very careful and it turns out like she never had any evidence of this ever happening

00:23:06.380 but she wanted to get him wanted to catch him in this moment and ultimately reporters were kind

00:23:13.100 of surprised by the end of this great exercise that oh wow she has no evidence that he ever

00:23:19.340 met or spoke about the case with the lawyer from this firm um but yeah it was back in the

00:23:24.700 days when anything russia russia russia related it was hot political news right if you could ever just

00:23:32.300 smear anybody with the very whiff of russia um it was always like a considered a great victory which

00:23:39.740 kind of pales in comparison now yeah looking back like the stupidity of that was just awe-inspiring

00:23:46.540 it was one of the no of the russia stuff like there was it was the idea that the trump campaign was

00:23:54.140 colluding with anybody you know to to actually believe that you would have to know nothing about

00:24:00.060 what the trump campaign was really like where they were you know it was a little disorganized they were

00:24:04.620 not including with each other as you know and um there was never never i mean that was like insane

00:24:12.300 it was evidence-free russia was not a threat to the united states there were a couple of other

00:24:18.620 countries that were playing in a huge way in our elections and still are no one will ever mention

00:24:22.460 them it's not russia to put it mildly everyone in dc knows that russia had no role whatsoever in our

00:24:30.540 domestic politics and they had no sort of agenda that would affect our core interests so like the whole

00:24:37.420 thing was just nuts and everybody went along with it everybody went along with it right like everybody

00:24:45.180 just like from the force of repetition just because you know every channel every newspaper

00:24:50.220 every day was talking about russia people like you know i really think there's something there

00:24:53.580 what it just showed how dumb everybody was or it all just hurt animals including friends of mine

00:24:58.860 for whom i lost a lot of respect i was okay i'm open-minded i'm kind of agnostic on russia and

00:25:05.020 i'm willing to believe anything so where's the evidence yeah you know do you remember this yeah

00:25:11.660 i do and it was it's always very puzzling because it started from this dossier right that they always

00:25:17.980 had in their back pocket but didn't use it during 2016 because they didn't think they had to right but

00:25:23.260 once trump won it was the first thing that they pulled out of their pockets they're like wow we can

00:25:27.420 actually use this was harris big on the russia thing not too much um she she prosecuted uh

00:25:34.780 different trump officials she did get bill barr one time you know asking him if trump had ever

00:25:41.100 asked him to sort of stop the investigation and he he found himself sort of fumbling for words and

00:25:48.460 yeah couldn't really answer the question so she did have some good moments there but

00:25:52.860 yeah i think a lot of it was just she was seen as somebody who was fighting she had this opposing

00:25:59.020 you know she was fighting something else right and people place that excitement because she was the

00:26:05.980 one doing the fighting against this force that they were very unhappy about

00:26:11.340 so how did if you were to summarize how she behaved during the kavanaugh hearings um i mean i think i

00:26:19.100 remember her going all in on the rape stuff or sexual assault stuff right right she was very very adamant

00:26:27.340 about supporting christine blasey ford and was also around the me too movement right she was very

00:26:32.940 she very she honed in on that as a political force that would help her so when it came to that she was

00:26:40.380 just very intent on pushing christine blasey ford as this as this hero as this patriot you know she

00:26:48.620 repeatedly claimed that she believed her when she first spoke before she even met her

00:26:53.900 um she repeatedly said that you know she was a patriot and a hero for coming forward and she

00:27:00.620 really thought that this was the moment that she could really push through and stop kavanaugh you

00:27:05.340 know democrats didn't have much to go on but when when they found out that diane feinstein had this

00:27:11.260 letter from christine ford who wished to remain anonymous um different you know she confronted feinstein

00:27:19.180 about the letter like you better address this once reports started leaking out about the existence of

00:27:23.660 this letter she confronted feinstein and said you better address this or it's going to look real

00:27:28.700 ugly for you so feinstein was eventually forced out to make this letter public to bring them

00:27:34.860 in to bring her into the conversation even though she wanted to remain anonymous

00:27:39.100 and so this woman was ultimately pulled into the fight and senator senators and senate staff who were

00:27:45.740 went through that it was a very tough time for a lot of people in the senate whatever happened so

00:27:50.380 christine blasey ford this is all coming back to me it was about there was a high school party in

00:27:55.500 bethesda it always starts in bethesda doesn't it and um which is a suburb of dc right of course in

00:28:02.700 maryland montgomery county and the and cabnaw supposedly at this

00:28:08.620 high school party 40 35 years before had acted badly and sexually assaulted christine blasey ford is

00:28:16.300 that that was right right that was her uh so then blasey ford basically destroyed her life correct

00:28:23.820 right i you know maybe she's still a progressive hero among some but you certainly we've seen this

00:28:30.460 story before where the democrats will pull an unsuspecting character to weaponize against the

00:28:36.780 republican party and just sort of cast them aside when it's all over well exactly nicely put that's

00:28:41.900 exactly right like whatever happened christine blasey ford is no longer a hero right right like george

00:28:49.340 floyd it's like she was useful for a news cycle they upended her life and then i don't i don't think

00:28:58.460 they've like named any chairs after her makes me think of all the moms who lost their sons in iraq how

00:29:05.500 they were weaponized and held up as paragons of you know this is why the bush administration is evil

00:29:11.260 because we have this poor woman who's suffering the loss of her son they would hoist them up and bring

00:29:15.900 them to all the speeches and then yeah and now all those moms are against moms who have hostages and

00:29:22.060 you know israel no it's totally they brought them on stage and then it turns out oh we can't

00:29:26.620 help your child who's being held hostage so smart able to help them either but we were able to use

00:29:33.660 them politically to it's funny all those iraq moms who are marching against trump i mean rather against

00:29:40.140 bush right they all have my sympathy speaking for myself but they um you know now the democratic party

00:29:48.220 that once you know promoted them and called them heroes is aligned with dick cheney and his repulsive

00:29:54.780 little daughter right you still have you know like whatever you still have remnants of the code

00:30:01.660 pink out there exactly they certainly aren't the champions that no i'm on their side media and we're

00:30:06.700 no longer hailing them as the champions sorry truth and justice sorry to digress but it's just it's

00:30:11.660 just interesting it's a funny things i've forgotten about it is a an interesting time to revisit for sure

00:30:17.260 so but kamala harris becomes more national figure after falsely accusing right brett kavanaugh of

00:30:24.220 sexual assault 40 years ago is that claiming i believe the believe all women believe the victims

00:30:30.380 right this whole me too movement that was kind of around 2018 i believe the 17 18 right around this time

00:30:37.820 that kavanaugh was sort of brought up and right like the the entire movement was kind of leveraged

00:30:42.540 in this whole thing where it's like believe all women and that's our new platform for the democratic party

00:30:48.860 so women don't lie ever no especially about this because they're hindu goddesses or something

00:30:55.580 they're incapable of lying i don't know i don't know about it's funny to find out that 51 of the population just

00:31:01.340 doesn't lie everything they say is just gospel it's just true well you're supposed to because

00:31:06.060 you know that's the those are the new marching orders only it turns out that it didn't go so well

00:31:12.140 does that apply to candace owens or just just christine blasey ford um right just

00:31:20.380 it's just funny to look back i'm sorry i keep interrupting you but it's just funny to right look

00:31:24.220 back it's like a time capsule it's you remember these moments and in retrospect they're so

00:31:30.060 completely absurd it's hard to believe that martha raddatz and joe scarborough and all these other

00:31:34.940 supposedly educated people are saying this stuff with a straight face on television well especially

00:31:39.740 the me too movement i mean women are you joking no come on no and kamala harris was one of the

00:31:48.380 first to see this as like a politically advantageous position to take the me too movement so there's

00:31:53.820 video of her uh marching in san francisco at a parade with championing the me too movement and

00:32:00.060 who's who's along with her um noted celebrity jesse smollett not really he is also right beside her in

00:32:08.620 a me too juicy smollett was a me tour tour back in 2018 and they're both chanting you know up up with

00:32:17.820 education down down with deportation so they're also protesting making this up charlie they're

00:32:24.460 also protesting immigration wearing me too movement gear but what's interesting about that and if you

00:32:30.700 look at the me too movement as a political force look at what they did to al to uh al franken

00:32:38.060 oh yeah he was one of the first democratic victims of me too i defended him right he wouldn't

00:32:43.580 defend himself he's such a cuck he wouldn't even defend himself he did nothing wrong oh right so he

00:32:48.460 was he was a rising political star yeah people were actively he just published a book people were

00:32:55.340 actively talking about him as maybe he's the answer to donald trump he found this populist movement in

00:33:00.540 minnesota that pretty much vanquished the republican party in the state yeah and was this like awkward

00:33:07.420 weird anti-trump right and so people were actively talking about him as a possible presidential candidate

00:33:14.140 but then when you know these allegations start coming out about his behavior who are the first

00:33:20.380 ones to seize on it all the democratic women senators who were also interested in running a

00:33:25.820 presidential campaign i think it was i think it was christian gillibrand that fired the first

00:33:31.020 shot she's the worst not her real name by the way i can't remember her real name no it's all fake

00:33:38.060 um i wish i could remember her real name but it's not even close to kirsten gillibrand but um

00:33:42.860 anyway amy klobuchar kamala harris they're all klobuchar did that they all band together and

00:33:50.860 march to schumer's office and say he's gotta go and and he actually obeyed them right well him and all

00:33:59.260 his colleagues were you know when schumer pulls him into the office and says i can't defend you i can't

00:34:04.620 fight for you what are you gonna do are you gonna fight for yourself and go be rigged over the coals

00:34:12.460 for the rest of your life or do you just go away quietly it seems in franken's case he didn't want

00:34:19.260 to fight that i i know franken well and have known for 25 years yeah but he's a pretty clever guy um

00:34:27.820 has good qualities people in the senate always had good things to say yeah i mean i never hated

00:34:31.740 dal franken but he was ultimately all he really cared about was left-wing ideology and just such

00:34:37.100 a sad and being liked i think broken guy yeah um but again you know charming guy talented guy more

00:34:43.580 talented than most u.s senators for sure but so weak inside sure i think bossed around by his wife

00:34:50.620 that was always my impression franny from portland maine as i recall but um but the point is he didn't

00:34:57.020 do anything wrong and if he had just ridden it out for a week and just let it just hunker down you know

00:35:05.420 go to barbados for a week come back he'd be fine he was an elected united states senator and he gave

00:35:10.300 up his seat voluntarily because four ambitious girls didn't like him i mean wow what a loser

00:35:19.260 are you serious right you wouldn't certainly expect and more people started fighting back

00:35:24.460 ultimately but at the time they were very afraid of the movement it was very much if you were al

00:35:29.100 franken and you just dishonor yourself and your family your kids are ashamed you go down in history

00:35:35.660 as some sort of sexual assaulter right some sort of crypto rapist you give up your own senate seat

00:35:41.820 that you really fought hard for just because kirsten jillibrand or whatever her real name is right

00:35:48.540 wants what you have can you imagine the regret he must feel right i think a lot of democratic donors

00:35:55.740 were not happy with that certainly with jillibrand a lot of democratic donors were not happy when

00:36:00.540 she ran for president in iowa it kind of ended very shortly afterwards because democratic donors

00:36:06.300 were still furious at her taking franken off the table completely false person i'd take carmella

00:36:10.860 harris any day over kirsten jillibrand oh really i there's something about jillibrand that's just really

00:36:16.220 um she's just new yorker so ruthless oh my gosh you have to be that's fascinating so yeah so harris

00:36:24.460 joined the chorus against against uh al franken right at the same time she has somebody in her office

00:36:33.980 that is also under investigation for his own me too stuff when he was back in california so someone in

00:36:42.620 her close circle uh i don't want to get his name wrong but it was somebody very close who was being

00:36:50.380 investigated by you know the justice system in california they ultimately had she was he was

00:36:59.340 sued by a woman for inappropriate behavior and they eventually had to award this woman a big payout

00:37:06.460 because of things that he had done to her in her in his office in his previous job yeah um when kamala

00:37:13.420 harris is informed about it she has no idea she's shocked i had no idea that this was even happening

00:37:20.940 well if he was currently having this case being taken that was already underway by all the rules of

00:37:28.540 the me too movement you're supposed to get rid of this person as soon as you hear about it execute

00:37:32.220 him yeah of course but to have someone on his staff on her staff who was involved in this whole situation

00:37:40.060 and then suddenly claim ignorance when the ruling is issued really doesn't pass the smell test well

00:37:46.380 also i mean kamala harris got her job because she was having sex with a married older man willie

00:37:52.540 brown and then she was montel williams's side piece so it's like i'd love to know her actual

00:37:57.980 perspective on sexual politics it's a little bit different from maybe what she's saying you know

00:38:02.940 what i mean right right i mean if there's one anti-feminist in the state of california it's willie brown

00:38:09.100 right you think although he very much loved to see himself as a feminist no but he would bring

00:38:15.020 real life right but he would bring he would host these events that featured only women

00:38:20.540 and he would talk about how these were great woman empowerment summits i think they're known as ladies

00:38:27.660 one thing and second like look i like willie brown i'm not attacking right around i think he's hilarious

00:38:33.180 because i think he's a little bit more honest but like very honest if there's anybody whose life

00:38:39.180 violates the principles of second wave feminism it's willie brown right i mean honest honest i mean

00:38:45.660 really willie brown yeah okay i think that even bill clinton described him as the real slick will

00:38:55.580 did he really say that yeah oh that's so good now you're making me like them both because i you

00:39:00.380 know you just like flashes of honesty wherever you find them right willie brown was this character

00:39:04.540 in california politics that couldn't be brought down by corruption but he always he was always

00:39:08.940 teasing and joking about corruption yeah it's very if you're having sex with willie brown in order to

00:39:14.060 get a job you know whatever you can deal with your own conscience and with your own hindu goddess on

00:39:20.700 that you know but you definitely can't lecture me on feminism if you've done that i think it's fair to

00:39:25.740 say right i think so i think when you talk to women they would they would agree with that statement

00:39:30.780 you you you know you give up your you gain a lot you get to be attorney general in the state of

00:39:35.100 california and the u.s senator and vice president but you you do give up your right to lecture me

00:39:40.140 about feminism right is that fair a lot of women would agree with that i think that's right i'm just

00:39:44.700 being i'm not judging i'm sure but she she's not allowed to judge either i guess that's what i'm

00:39:50.380 saying it's certainly not without evidence right yeah like that was the whole sorry you had sex with

00:39:55.100 willie brown to get a job so why don't you cool it on the feminism stuff as you discussed with the

00:40:01.180 previous guests like yeah it kicked off her entire career oh of course it did wasn't just that it was

00:40:06.140 he you know willie brown gave her positions of power on state boards gave her that paid handsomely

00:40:12.460 you know she made up to four hundred thousand dollars back in the 90s from can you be specific about

00:40:17.500 which positions uh uninsured i just think it was an insurance now i'm getting vulgar again

00:40:24.460 oh yeah well yeah and then she made so she made about four hundred thousand dollars over a couple

00:40:30.220 years just from these once a month state board positions and that's like you adjust that for

00:40:35.260 today's dollars that's like almost a million dollars oh yeah and then bought her the key you know

00:40:40.300 bought her a bmw helped pay for her wardrobe um really turned her in to kamala harris

00:40:47.100 so there are two ways to look at this and as a charitable man who instinctively likes women

00:40:52.300 and likes kind of plucky up from the bootstrap stories i think you could tell that story in an

00:40:58.300 honest way that might make you admire kamala harris here's this woman who doesn't know anybody

00:41:03.660 she's from canada you know she doesn't she's not from the area really she's i think from she was

00:41:10.940 working at the alameda county prosecutor exactly right in the east bay right and she winds up

00:41:17.260 becoming attorney general the biggest state and she's willing to do whatever it takes to get that

00:41:21.580 including have sex with willie brown and monte williams if you told a story that way i'd say well

00:41:27.500 you know morally it's obviously malodorous but on the other hand this woman has a lot of um a lot of

00:41:37.820 energy she's focused she does what it takes to get what she wants exactly right and she's totally

00:41:44.300 self-made and i think willie brown really opened her up to this world of the possibility for sure

00:41:50.300 if you're a young prosecutor at the age of 29 you see what's possible but being on the arm of willie

00:41:55.900 brown you should have sex with willie brown why wouldn't you look at that and say i can seize

00:42:01.020 this for myself as long as i show up and demand it and willie brown taught her how to do that he

00:42:06.460 talks about in his book like in order to get into wealthy white worlds you force your way into these

00:42:14.620 positions of influence like on museum boards and the arts and you know the charities and you present

00:42:21.980 yourself as this figure then they'll welcome you into these worlds and they'll hoist you up

00:42:27.580 onto these political platforms but okay that's all fine i get it i mean it's a form of prostitution but

00:42:33.660 like you know i try not to judge all i'm saying is why would you be self-righteous and scolding

00:42:40.860 if you like she has no right to be self-righteous about anything or scold anyone and she doesn't

00:42:48.220 need to by the way she could just i don't know tell her story honestly and people might say i would

00:42:52.460 say i kind of get it you know she made something out of not much and i admire that why does she have

00:42:57.500 to lecture the rest of us about the civil rights movement right it's because it's politically

00:43:01.900 advantageous at this point we kind of see that but it's disgusting right we've told you before

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00:45:05.980 but that's democratic politics shut up honey you're from canada stop telling me about the edmund pettus

00:45:11.260 bridge like you had nothing to do with that right no right but she's not from alabama no no no she

00:45:19.180 definitely uh embraced this agenda as her own yeah and breast embraced her her identity if anybody

00:45:26.700 questions her identity she's just like i'm not even going to take the time to discuss this with you

00:45:31.580 with you um if you have a problem with me being black that's your problem

00:45:35.740 being black oh so black oh it's hilarious right and when you talk to black women and in politics like

00:45:46.380 they know but they also see her as someone who could do the job it's just so fake so

00:45:54.380 she did uh brett bear's show the other night right it's the first interview i've ever seen where after

00:46:01.020 the interview everyone tells you ignore all the substance of everything she said and focus only

00:46:07.420 on the style all of her defenders like focusing on the styling wow just the fact that she did this

00:46:12.780 interview she won whereas do an interview with brett bear that's open i mean it's all so stupid but

00:46:19.740 what i i didn't read any of the coverage of it because you know the lesson was obvious for me i didn't

00:46:24.540 need to be told what the lesson was but i i was really struck by how angry and touchy she was

00:46:31.100 defensive she was nasty she was skillless she was you've seen a million of her interviews is she

00:46:38.220 always is that a theme that you've noticed in the past this is something that was very much a product

00:46:42.860 that sort of boosted her on the public stage which is why she's trying to repeat it you know

00:46:46.780 she had a better than expected debate against donald trump yeah because she was able to

00:46:50.940 tangle with him and demonstrate that i thought she did a pretty good job right not bad right she

00:46:57.580 she needed that the opposition force to campaign against like she needs trump if she doesn't have

00:47:05.260 trump what does she have and so i think that that was part of the calculus of doing the fox news

00:47:10.140 interview it's like if i can just go against something if i can just stand tall and get in a

00:47:15.260 fight with brett bear then i look better by comparison it's like a total asshole i mean that

00:47:20.620 was just my view i mean i don't know maybe i'm completely out of it i you know it's nothing to

00:47:25.500 their gender she just was like screechy and defensive and mad is she right you've seen other

00:47:31.660 interviews like that with her is that she always is it's very interesting because and i talk about

00:47:35.980 this in the book a lot is when she was sort of this like democratic champion in the senate where

00:47:42.780 she was known for repeatedly fighting and getting angry and and doing her utmost to you know crush

00:47:48.460 kavanaugh i think she realized at some point that if i'm going to run for president i need to like

00:47:53.500 be sort of a little more than just this opposing force i need to have an idea an identity that attracts

00:48:02.940 americans to vote for me for president and so that's when she introduces this concept of a joyful

00:48:09.740 warrior she makes a hard pivot away from the fighter and goes on ellen and delivers this elegant

00:48:16.620 soliloquy about the importance of being a joyful warrior about loving your country and fighting for

00:48:22.700 your country and not being angry all the time she had multiple interviews where she's like i'm tired of

00:48:27.340 being mad all the time and i want to be a joyful warrior did she use the phrase joyful warrior repeatedly

00:48:34.540 repeatedly um on ellen in magazine profiles she completely and this is this is actually before kavanaugh

00:48:43.100 because she has this reputation of being a fighter in the senate then she pivots to be a joyful warrior

00:48:48.220 around 2018 then she pivots back to the vengeful warrior when she's fighting kavanaugh and then by the

00:48:56.700 time she's ready to announce her campaign for president in 2019 early 2019 she sort of pivots back to this

00:49:03.820 idea that i'm a joyful warrior and all i care about is speaking truth joyful so you've looked pretty

00:49:09.900 closely to her life you just wrote a book about her how many instances did you stumble across

00:49:15.180 of joy true genuine joy very hard to find very hard to find she's very guarded she's very guarded

00:49:21.660 she's a very private person and she's uncomfortable talking about herself she talks about it all the

00:49:26.140 time she's just like i'm just not comfortable talking about myself but she never stops talking

00:49:30.220 about herself i know this except in the specific ways like being raised in a middle-class family

00:49:36.540 being the product of her community being what community is she talking about right the san

00:49:41.500 francisco community but she's from canada right like what the hell is she talking about when she's

00:49:47.500 talking about the community she's talking about her childhood community that she grew up in

00:49:52.060 leaving the canada part out entirely and then just pretending she's always been

00:49:56.460 from oakland which she's actually from berkeley but she doesn't like to talk about it

00:50:01.500 yeah i mean what yeah i am from that area so i know it well and there are like no black people

00:50:11.580 there i don't even know what she's talking about there in in san francisco no oh there's like one

00:50:16.780 and a half black neighborhoods tiny percentage of population i think she is the daughter of an

00:50:22.380 academic elite right her father and mother too right right her father and mother were sort of hard-left

00:50:29.420 academics they were not necessarily the marching and shouters i mean i'm sure they went to a few

00:50:35.100 protests but they were very much intellectual activists they're very can i ask is um her father

00:50:41.660 attacked her at one point didn't he right and this is for using her jamaican identity to sort of defend

00:50:48.700 the idea of smoking weed legalizing weed yeah he was horrified by that it's the rare occasion where he

00:50:56.060 just without permission went out and wrote an angry essay essay you know explicitly saying i wish i

00:51:04.780 with i wish to categorize you know categorically disassociate myself from this brand that she's

00:51:11.900 selling of her jamaican heritage being the reason why she supports legalized marijuana yeah because i mean

00:51:19.020 if you actually are jamaican the idea that everyone in jamaica's you know peter tosh is right offensive it's

00:51:25.340 offensive right he was very angry so she doesn't get along with him then clearly no no and then he

00:51:31.180 is he was forced to take that actually he lives in washington dc what yeah harris's father lives in

00:51:38.220 washington dc the father who denounced her right what does he do what's this tell me that story why

00:51:43.580 haven't i heard that yeah um we had some reporters from the daily mail which is where i work and uh they

00:51:49.820 sort of tracked him down and he does actually live in a house not too far away from kamala harris and

00:51:55.580 it does not look like they spend a lot of time together if at all i think the last time he posted

00:52:00.620 photos of an adult kamala harris and him together were from many years ago before she came to washington

00:52:07.260 and he does a lot of work with economics and jamaica and the world bank i don't but he's also semi-retired

00:52:13.180 at this point so yeah he's just kind of this figure that exists in dc but has no close connection

00:52:18.780 with his daughter has he ever talked about her other than to write an op-ed attacking her he wrote

00:52:23.580 in a brief piece about his jamaican heritage and how kamala harris was connected to that uh he wrote

00:52:30.700 that for a jamaican newspaper where he talks about his life and you know having kamala at a young age

00:52:38.540 and then you know becoming distanced and it eventually estranged entirely from her

00:52:44.540 um yeah it's a very sad story he talks that he writes in his book his book about you know marxist

00:52:51.180 economics he talks about you know this book is dedicated to my daughters kamala and maya

00:52:56.700 and i from whatever relationship we have like it's a little bit of a sad story because it seems like he

00:53:02.300 was kind of pushed out of the family's life entirely after after quite some time

00:53:07.980 yeah um i mean he wasn't at any of her victory parties for her political races he did not attend

00:53:15.340 her inauguration kamala never personally invited him to an inauguration i think the times did a story

00:53:21.660 a couple weeks ago that said somehow he got an invitation through an intermediary but he was

00:53:26.540 never asked personally to come by his daughter ouch yeah yeah women who are mad at their dads

00:53:33.020 you know tend to um not all but a lot of them end up at wearing pink hats at women's marches and

00:53:40.780 in general if you're a father and your daughter grows up to be a man hater it's probably kind of your

00:53:46.460 fault right yeah fair you sort of take on that responsibility you know yeah you know that yeah

00:53:53.100 you know that it's your your fault right it is don't have a relationship with your daughter then

00:53:57.420 that's kind of yeah if she's running around promoting abortion right should occasion some

00:54:02.860 soul searching on your part i would say but um as as a father of daughters i can say that but um

00:54:09.180 so anyways she comes to dc speaking of relationships how and she's chosen by joe biden who was promised

00:54:15.260 america to give us what we really want which is a female black vice president well they totally rejected

00:54:21.580 it during the campaign when her failed presidential campaign when she thought she was launching this

00:54:27.980 historic future forward looking campaign in 2019 in january of 2019 when she announces her run for

00:54:35.660 president um it doesn't go well and it goes really badly and i'm sorry to elide right right over that

00:54:43.820 so she announces how long does she run for president she's one of the first out of the gate she has all

00:54:49.340 the support from many of the donors many of the major media elites you know she has this moment with

00:54:55.740 people like rachel maddow who says you know i do think that you are one of our strongest candidates

00:54:59.980 and i do think that you're going to make it to the final finishing line it's really an

00:55:04.380 impressive effort by the elite in the entire party they want to see connell harris succeed and they're

00:55:10.540 very bullish about her chances when she gets into the race it's such a funny funny race so the

00:55:15.580 the the the candidate the democrats really want is the socialist but he criticizes the banks so he

00:55:22.220 cannot be allowed to be the nominee because you can't criticize banks right that's immoral criticizing

00:55:28.460 banking and we're a little squeamish about you universal health care right but kamala harris

00:55:34.060 we don't actually want to give democratic voters anything they really want right so when she runs as

00:55:39.740 this uh you know she moves herself so far to the left right before she runs for president she's

00:55:45.580 become this like radical leftist candidate even more radical than bernie sanders himself she endorses

00:55:51.820 medicare for all but when she's up on the debate stage and they're like but if you have medicare

00:55:56.380 for all this means getting rid of private health care and she's like that's right i agree and then when

00:56:01.980 she gets enormous pushback media coverage the health insurance industry uh then she walks it back

00:56:10.700 and says well actually i don't mean that um i'm sure private insurance will still be around and i want

00:56:15.980 it to be around even though there is socialized health care well it's not really how it works but

00:56:21.100 if you if you you know can pivot quickly to say that and then she makes the same mistake again

00:56:26.540 and this is when you know you obviously have a core democratic party that wants to see you as

00:56:32.380 like this leftist champion like bernie sanders is right connor harris really wants to be that figure

00:56:38.620 and is doing her most desperate attempt to win sort of the bernie sanders mantle but the bernie

00:56:45.260 sanders supporters are very angry with her for even pretending to be a socialist democratic socialist

00:56:50.220 right because she's not and so i think that there was a very well she's a tool of the banks

00:56:56.940 right and the neocons and every other sort of evil institution and democratic party land

00:57:02.860 well she's willing to do the bidding of anybody who can get her in power she's not she was never

00:57:08.220 known in california as someone who is you know she talks about this we keep going back i'm sorry but uh

00:57:14.060 she talks how much about how she fought the big banks to win this massive mortgage settlement after

00:57:20.540 after the disastrous 2008 crash yeah um but yeah what she didn't lead the charge it was led by eric

00:57:28.060 schneiderman from new york who sort of rallied any progressive attorney general of a state

00:57:34.140 many who have gone on to have successful political careers and been like this is our moment if we

00:57:40.140 fight the big banks and earn a bigger settlement then we are automatically seen as champions and so

00:57:45.820 she fought the big banks and got a bigger settlement but she still settled and well she's a tool of the

00:57:51.660 rich right has been always the the banking industry the abortion industry the war industry it she's

00:58:00.060 she's a little foot soldier for industry i mean that's always has been right right and activists have

00:58:05.340 all been very frustrated with her unwillingness to take risks until she's running for president and then

00:58:11.100 she's suddenly for everything uh she's for reducing red meat consumption she's for banning plastic

00:58:18.060 straws she's for decriminalizing prostitution despite her mixed record on that she's for legalizing

00:58:25.420 marijuana um she just totally pivots and becomes this this figure who supports every single radical

00:58:32.540 agenda item during the democratic primary and yet well that makes sense as a feminist because if

00:58:39.660 obviously if you're for women you want to encourage them to sell their bodies like slaves

00:58:43.580 right right right yeah and apparently this is you go on you know black needed to sell this as

00:58:51.020 as something that you want yeah something about freedom we need what you need is decriminalization

00:58:56.540 of prostitution and an abortion to sell more weed kill your children and smoke more weed and that's

00:59:03.500 about freedom that's about success that's that's the that's the opportunity economy that we want to sell

00:59:09.340 yeah that's the agenda of the goddess um so her her presidential campaign despite a vigorous endorsement

00:59:19.100 from white ladies like rachel maddow crashes and burns like right the dogs won't eat the dog food

00:59:24.380 correct right how she goes to iowa once she hits iowa it's her whole life she's lived in a in a one party

00:59:32.540 state california and the idea there is to get the backing of the elites the donors and then raise enough

00:59:38.780 money to just plaster the air with advertising right then you win and as long as you have the blessing

00:59:44.620 of the elites then you can pretty much win in california you don't have to necessarily go on the ground

00:59:50.380 and convince voters um you just need those three things and so she goes into this primary in iowa

00:59:57.420 with sort of the the same focus right win the blessing of the elites raise a bunch of money

01:00:03.500 run all the advertisements and then when she hits the ground in iowa she suddenly finds that democrats

01:00:10.460 are not they're they're willing to listen but when they listen to her they're not satisfied with what

01:00:15.180 they're hearing they see her on the debate stages making the case for all these progressive policies

01:00:20.860 but then when she's asked to defend them she's either walking back or changing her mind on these issues

01:00:26.140 on top of it all in the beginning very beginning of her campaign is when the jesse the jesse smollett

01:00:31.580 stuff breaks and that's when she sort of rushes to his defense and is is the first candidate sort of

01:00:38.140 leading the march for justice for jesse so she sends out a tweet it's like wait hold on stop stop here you

01:00:45.900 are making fun of her she's totally fake but in one sense she is a legitimate pioneer she was the first

01:00:52.700 across the not the edmund pettus bridge but the jesse smollett bridge like she was there facing off

01:00:59.020 the guard dogs and fire hoses on behalf of jesse smollett right right she was lead she led the entire

01:01:06.140 democratic primary field to defend jesse smollett and then she still hasn't apologized for that by the

01:01:14.220 way so she still hasn't taken down the tweet in some sense a civil rights hero if you define civil

01:01:18.700 rights is like fake hate crimes right yeah right so uh and she's never apologized for that no she's

01:01:24.460 never apologized for it she expressed regret that it happened but she never apologized for was it

01:01:30.780 passive constructive construction like very much that it happened yeah yeah this is not spontaneous

01:01:37.340 basically like this is not good for people who have real hate crimes so but she still has the tweet

01:01:43.420 defending him as one of the smartest that's still up that's still up just like her you know the the

01:01:49.420 famous minnesota bailout of the protesters in minneapolis yeah yeah that's still alive too so

01:01:55.580 she's not she's not one to apologize very much i don't know it happens with a lot of politicians

01:02:00.060 certainly joe biden doesn't like to apologize for anything yeah it's it's so telling whereas you know

01:02:05.820 if you want to be strong apology is the only way right and people saw her as like the anti-biden so when

01:02:11.740 she first goes out on the debate stage and basically calls him a racist when they ask him

01:02:18.380 about the accusations of women of unwanted touching and groping she says i believe all women and they

01:02:24.140 have the right to say that so she's one of the first ones to sort of tackle biden as this out of

01:02:29.980 touch dinosaur who no longer belongs on the national stage she said as much during the debate you know

01:02:35.980 trying to be nice i'm not calling you a racist but let me call you a racist that's if essentially what

01:02:41.020 she said he wasn't enthusiastic enough about busing yeah they she pulled that from biden's past but at

01:02:48.860 the same time he's out there talking about the good old days when he worked with segregationists

01:02:52.540 and everybody got along and certainly the modern left was like well you can't do that i don't want

01:02:57.980 that i don't want joe biden busing was a disaster and it didn't help anybody it crushed white kids it

01:03:04.300 crushed black kids it destroyed public schools in the united states i'd love to hear someone explain why

01:03:08.860 busing was a good idea right in what sense was it a good idea like how where did that work exactly

01:03:14.700 and give me the numbers to show that it worked it didn't work it was horrible and the people who

01:03:19.340 promoted it sent their own children to private school so like i i don't know the fact that she

01:03:24.860 got up there on stage and yelled at biden who's a pig i'm not defending biden but like the one place

01:03:30.860 he's been right in his career was to oppose busing busing was immoral as hell and nobody called her on it

01:03:36.700 it was weird what was weird is that she was projecting herself as somehow this victim of

01:03:41.580 segregation and and suffrage and growing up in berkeley california and growing up in montreal i

01:03:47.260 mean that's where she went to high school that's where she went to high school was she was a lot

01:03:50.700 of segregation that little girl was me you know talking about riding the bus from one wealthy

01:03:57.420 california enclave to another right and trying to embrace this idea that she was somehow this great

01:04:03.260 civil rights figure it was rather offensive to a lot of black people who were just like well it's

01:04:07.580 just insane what about white people i mean the whole thing is nuts the idea that whatever without

01:04:13.500 even getting into busing but i would just love to hear someone defend busing on its own terms

01:04:18.060 like where was busing a success who benefited from it exactly right and when they asked her well what's

01:04:23.100 your position on busing she she found herself unable to explain yeah and they really like well why are we

01:04:29.420 talking about busing anyway right it was just it was it was an attempt to just find any cudgel at all

01:04:34.540 to hit joe no it's totally right it made a big splash did you really say that why are we talking

01:04:38.380 about it in the first place no that's what i'm saying but when they asked her for her position on

01:04:42.700 busing she's like well i don't know like she didn't have a good answer of what how whether or not she

01:04:48.060 would support federal busing gosh this is you don't have to it's such an obvious political attack well but

01:04:55.660 you don't even need to try that hard to expose her she exposes herself it's also fake a lot of bad

01:05:02.860 things going on in the world that honestly not many of us can have an effect on rising crime failing

01:05:09.580 schools a tanking economy what can you do about that well not a lot but you can get your own house

01:05:16.540 in order and above all you can spend money with merchants with companies that support your values

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01:05:59.820 at a time with wise spending supporting people who support your family not funding people who hate you

01:06:06.380 if you want to do that public square.com is the answer public square.com

01:06:27.500 was she ever popular in california did you ever find evidence that she was

01:06:31.340 like had majorities just widely accepted she won her elections pretty handily except for the

01:06:36.220 the one race she had problems with was running through um the district the attorney general's

01:06:42.140 race there was a formidable republican still in the state steve cooley yeah who posed a pretty big

01:06:47.260 threat but did she when i've often heard people say but i've never checked it myself that when she ran

01:06:53.660 for president she did not have anywhere near majority support in her own state right is that correct

01:06:59.900 that was the big problem is that she thought she could use california as a springboard like obviously

01:07:07.340 they will rally around me in california and push me forward as the next great leader of the

01:07:11.420 of the democratic party but people in california did not she was so low in the polls in california

01:07:16.940 she had to quit before she got to the california primary because they obviously favored bernie

01:07:21.900 yeah well bernie's not allowed because the donors didn't like bernie right there was although there was

01:07:26.940 that well and then the biggest i think the moment that was critical for her campaign she was still

01:07:33.100 kind of limping along even after the biden attack some people liked it some people didn't and most

01:07:39.020 you know and more importantly the the people who were really in charge of the party and who was

01:07:43.580 going to win were not happy with and i think that's kind of why she pulled back like with biden's

01:07:50.220 record and if you're a democrat a young rising democrat and if you really want to take out joe biden

01:07:56.220 if you go at him hard for about four or five months on his record you can pretty much turn

01:08:01.100 the entire i think you could have turned the entire party against him but because he was sort of seen

01:08:08.380 as maybe the only one who could defeat donald trump i think that there was a lot of force

01:08:13.580 from the establishment democratic party this is like look just leave him alone he might be what we need

01:08:20.140 it's just crazy that the anti-white party in the end nominated an old straight white guy right blowing

01:08:27.260 past the position of fear right the fake black lady the gay guy who may not even really be gay i don't

01:08:33.500 really know but the guy who claims he's gay anyway and they pick you know a 76 year old straight white

01:08:42.380 guy really with all this baggage and history of democrats past right it's like yeah it's just

01:08:48.940 interesting so oh the moment that effectively ends her campaign as i was saying is the moment that

01:08:54.860 tulsi gabbard had the courage to get on stage and call her out as a fake progressive yeah as a warmonger

01:09:00.300 right and uh i think that really deep six her campaign crushed her she was never able to recover from

01:09:07.420 that she there was several attempts at reboots um you know at one point standing for censorship of

01:09:13.100 president trump on twitter that somehow she was going to leverage her entire political reboot on

01:09:18.140 this idea of censoring president donald trump or even progressives like elizabeth warren were like

01:09:23.420 what are you doing how is that even legal this doesn't even make any sense aren't she weren't

01:09:26.940 she the attorney general you're supposed to be a i think you're supposed to support free speech

01:09:31.900 as part of the constitution yeah but at the same time she she delivered a speech at the

01:09:36.940 naacp that said i will increase the number of attorneys at the department of justice to go

01:09:44.540 after hate speech and misinformation on social media and these social media companies better be very

01:09:50.620 afraid for what i want to do yeah don't give up like we need to hold them responsible for everything

01:09:56.380 that's posted on there yeah for criticizing us it shouldn't be right allowed how do people like that

01:10:02.220 who weren't even meaningfully attached to this country in any way or understand what it is

01:10:07.020 how do they get positions of power i don't understand like how could someone like kamala harris who

01:10:12.940 obviously doesn't like the united states but doesn't even really understand it like she gets

01:10:17.420 to administer our laws there's something wrong with our system don't you think right i think it's very

01:10:22.700 much focused on how can we find a willing participant to do everything we say and say and be willing to be

01:10:28.940 flexible on a number of different issues someone who doesn't have any core values is easier to

01:10:34.300 manipulate easier to manipulate yeah and i think that they saw her as somebody which is part of the

01:10:39.820 reason why they chose her as vice president this is someone who obviously has the support of the biggest

01:10:46.460 donors who also has been out in the streets during the george floyd protests um you know backing the idea of

01:10:54.620 these protests and what better person to be president biden's running mate than the person who accused

01:11:02.540 him of being a racist than the lady from the hr department which is what she really is bring her

01:11:07.100 into and that's sort of what she that was sort of how she leveraged her way into the front of the pack

01:11:13.260 right it was during the entire black lives matter george floyd protests of 2020 that tore up the entire

01:11:20.220 country and i think that many in the democratic party thought that she was necessary to tack on to

01:11:27.420 biden who clearly had his problems during the debates on his on black issues you know suggesting to

01:11:33.580 to black families that if they didn't play the record player at night they were raising their children

01:11:37.260 wrong and telling all these bizarre stories of you know relationships with black people and we're just

01:11:45.100 totally out of touch so i do think they felt that they needed to put the obama coalition back together

01:11:51.340 and if he was going to have a chance of winning in order to do that you need a person of color on the ticket

01:11:56.140 yeah i think that's like the um rich white liberal way of understanding black people right

01:12:02.140 and i bet you money that biden in the end will wind up doing better with black voters than kamala harris

01:12:09.420 i bet you i bet you money i mean i'm off it it clearly was in south carolina right when

01:12:14.540 he won all the black vote in south carolina well yeah because of jim cliburn he

01:12:21.660 became the nominee after south carolina and they found out that you know black people actually like

01:12:26.460 him and will vote for him then it was like time to clear the field and i get that right and i bet he

01:12:31.340 was the vice president for the first black president and well yeah but he's just also he he's a little bit

01:12:38.060 slightly more authentic than her like she's so obviously fake right but what do i know um

01:12:45.820 i do know that she's rachel maddow's version of a black candidate

01:12:52.380 you know what i mean but anyway um so okay so she gets chosen by biden was there any jog my memory

01:12:59.900 real contest were there other people under consideration right because he famously came

01:13:05.420 out when he's trying to seal the deal with bernie he comes out during a debate in the spring saying

01:13:09.900 i will choose a woman vice president and got a little splashed nobody remembers the substance of

01:13:15.420 the debate just that headline right yeah and then it became you know as he's exploring the idea like

01:13:21.020 who that you know there's a number of women he really liked but certainly um on the top of the

01:13:25.180 list were some of these sort of um these figures like gretchen whitmer of michigan who he felt was

01:13:34.220 kind of this this fun rising power in michigan who was kind of populist when she ran for office

01:13:40.380 and kind of had this idea of fixing the damn roads you know that's just music to the ears of this

01:13:45.580 this future president that just wants to fix infrastructure that's one of his biggest issues

01:13:50.700 so he's certainly attracted by her amy klobuchar was also someone else that he was interested in

01:13:55.420 bringing on board someone who he thought would be good but it became very clear that and then

01:14:01.740 certainly his campaign advisors as well um believe that no it's not just enough to have a woman on

01:14:07.420 the ticket we need a woman of color on the ticket because if you look back at hillary clinton

01:14:11.420 she lost a lot of the black vote because she chose color by the way right it's uh dependent on

01:14:19.740 the people that vote for democrats right the big part of their so i feel like he really wanted to

01:14:27.340 pick a gretchen whitmer or an amy klobuchar and certainly the biden family was not happy with the

01:14:34.380 idea of kamala harris as vice president he's the she's the one that actually came out and attacked him

01:14:39.500 for being a racist so when it became clear if you remember hillary clinton she chose tim kane who

01:14:47.580 one of the most vanilla people in the senate as her running mate and she also lost a lot of

01:14:52.540 the black votes so the smart people consultants in washington are saying the times demand that we

01:14:58.380 choose a woman of color a black woman they are the dumbest people i've ever met um so biden looks at

01:15:05.660 this these options and he has on his top of the list as he's heading into it it's kamala harris

01:15:14.060 susan rice who has a good relationship with from his time in the biden administration or in the obama

01:15:19.900 administration and um so those are sort of his top two picks and the fact that susan rice is even

01:15:27.980 being considered seriously shows that she was that you know they do not want kamala susan rice was jill's

01:15:35.740 favorite but ultimately between his conversations with his donors with his advisors and certainly with

01:15:42.860 obama himself he was urged to sort of put the past behind him and choose kamala harris and so it's

01:15:48.140 interesting i know susan rice pretty well and i think she's a scary person who's motivated basically

01:15:54.860 by hate but she's capable she's a real person right kamala is not a real person is totally fraudulent

01:16:02.620 just dei pick but susan rice is not and susan rice is a pretty serious person and like if you had it

01:16:09.900 might have been difficult to run a campaign with susan rice right i don't feel like she may i've

01:16:15.020 always been kind of impressed by susan rice even though i fear susan rice and i think i don't think

01:16:19.340 she's a particularly good person but i i definitely have some respect for susan rice um she was my

01:16:26.300 neighbor for years oh really yeah i you know for for any conservative they would see susan rice as the

01:16:33.900 face of benghazi and why would you ever want well the whole benghazi story was bullshit in the first

01:16:39.260 place right and the amount of lying by conservative media about benghazi in enrages me the point of

01:16:44.380 benghazi was they were moving weapons from qaddafi's weapon stockpiles to syria to fight an undeclared war

01:16:53.900 that only hurt the united states and those a lot of those weapons are going to islamic extremist groups

01:16:59.340 and that was the actual story and that was suppressed because the neocons didn't want to

01:17:03.820 talk about that wow and i just sat in in rage for years watching this benghazi i mean the benghazi

01:17:09.900 story was real right people died the reason true tragedy but right no one was allowed to ask like

01:17:16.060 what were all those ci officers doing in benghazi in the first place there was i think it was rand paul

01:17:20.860 who was sort of the only one did you ever hear anyone ask like what was that wait wait a second why

01:17:26.140 yeah fascinating just as someone from dc i'm like wait a second why were there that many cia personnel

01:17:32.540 in this one town huh and i remember asking that myself in television and having a producer say to

01:17:38.620 me that's not really the story and i was like well actually i think it is the story it's part of the

01:17:42.780 story anyway it's the context of the story right sorry i've been mad about this for a decade no i'm

01:17:48.380 i'm only saying that i'm not susan rice right i'm not endorsing anything that susan rice has ever done

01:17:53.900 i think susan rice is one of the reasons that the country is so screwed up right now all i'm saying

01:17:59.740 is if your job is to run the government you don't want to pick someone who's like pathetic like kamala

01:18:08.540 harris who's not done a single thing in her entire life right and is just clearly not a capable person

01:18:14.300 can't make a decision doesn't have a clear doesn't have much experience had never done anything like

01:18:20.620 even obama delivered a great speech that everybody thought was the had healed the nation he was a

01:18:26.460 talented guy he was a figure right kamala harris was never a figure exactly and uh i mean susan

01:18:32.700 they really wanted her to be they they started by calling her it's just your classic rich white liberal

01:18:37.820 view of the world it only all that matters is your skin color right it's not so different from the

01:18:44.540 segregationist view of the world which they also supported you know their parents supported in the

01:18:49.340 democratic party it's just like all that matters is what color you are anyway whatever don't get

01:18:54.060 me going but um okay so they pick her what's her relation you say jill biden was actually for susan rice

01:19:02.300 right what is the relationship between kamala and the bidens once she gets chosen so i really think

01:19:09.900 that joe biden felt that he could that kamala would be his buddy he really wanted a buddy vice president and

01:19:15.420 he really thought kamala could rise to the occasion and learn how to be a good vice president because

01:19:20.780 he had been a vice president yes he knew what it took for eight years for everything you can say about

01:19:25.100 joe biden he was very deferential to the president and he was very loyal to him and worked very hard

01:19:33.340 like obama's not sort of uh a warm glowing figure that wants to be friends with everybody

01:19:39.500 and but biden sort of wormed his way into a buddy type relationship with obama and they actually got

01:19:47.660 along pretty well when they were in office despite you know obvious frictions between the two camps

01:19:53.340 that always happens but i think that he thought that kamala harris would sort of drop everything and

01:19:58.780 become wholly united to his vision and his campaign but they found out very soon after they took office

01:20:06.380 that no kamala harris had no interest in being joe biden's buddy had no interest in taking hard

01:20:12.700 issues off his plate or defending him i think it was very clear from the moment she got into office

01:20:17.820 she was here for the next step in her career and she was going to do everything possible to sort of

01:20:23.260 preserve her political future and not waste it on this aging joe biden who is clearly on his way out

01:20:30.140 it's nicely put wait so you're saying that joe biden picked a ruthless careerist loyal to no one but

01:20:36.940 herself right and was shocked to discover that she was a ruthless careers loyal to no one but herself

01:20:41.500 and someone who was not competent and she's dumb

01:20:48.700 wow do you think they were really surprised by that i think so i think i think biden really thought

01:20:53.900 that she would rise to the occasion and realize the nature of the job well he was senile then huh yeah

01:21:00.220 i guess so um but yeah it became very clear that she was not there to help him she was there to

01:21:09.180 the next step in her career and she kind of has this kind of has this this this kind of aspect goes

01:21:16.540 back throughout her entire career right she she rises with willie brown and then when willie brown

01:21:21.660 leaves office she kicks him under the bus um basically saying if he commits any crimes i'm going

01:21:27.020 to throw him in jail and you're sort of kicks him under the bus as someone that's no longer

01:21:32.060 politically relevant right he said that yeah when she's running for district attorney everyone

01:21:36.220 that's all people wanted to talk about this is this is the woman who dated willie brown she's

01:21:41.500 obviously corrupt and she's like no willie brown i'm done with him he has no influence on me even

01:21:47.340 though he's behind the scenes raising money for her she essentially throws willie brown under the

01:21:52.540 bus i don't think it's a good idea to date kamala harris and that's that's the picture that's emerging

01:21:57.660 right right do you agree with that certainly not in her early career no and she didn't eventually

01:22:03.980 i just want people listening to this to remember do not date kamala harris unless you're doug emhoff and

01:22:08.380 then perhaps you can get remarried to a 50 year old woman and uh who's has a career path

01:22:18.700 into national politics but he's pretty tough on the ladies though i mean he's he runs a tight ship

01:22:22.940 he'll run he'll smack he'll smack you in the valet line if you get mouth there's been some great

01:22:26.860 reporting at the daily mail about that i'm sorry i'm getting ahead of the story so so so joe biden

01:22:33.580 right thinks that kamala harris is going to be his little friend right his little black friend

01:22:39.100 actually his cool black certainly a supportive supportive a supportive force to sort of ease up

01:22:45.740 all the tension he's getting from women and and black people maybe will help try and make the ladies

01:22:50.700 settle down yeah yeah so um he really because obama did this to biden right he anytime he had a thorny

01:22:58.940 issue be like i'm gonna put sheriff joe in charge of this and he's gonna take care of it and biden

01:23:03.420 realize what obama was doing but he just sort of grinned and be like yep i'm the vice president

01:23:07.660 this is what we do um so right away the first thing for kamala harris it's like we need you to

01:23:15.100 take a thorny issue off our plate we're going to put you in charge of immigration and we all saw how

01:23:21.580 that went right and yeah she was very adamant about i'm not in charge of immigration i'm not the

01:23:28.380 immigration czar i'm only in charge of root causes in the northern triangle he was very adamant about

01:23:35.420 that even correcting joe biden behind the scenes when he's in congress he's like and kamala is going

01:23:40.780 to take care of the immigration problem and she was like actually no mr president i am only handling

01:23:47.340 the root causes of immigration maybe it's mayorkis or or somebody else that's actually going to handle

01:23:54.860 the immigration problem for you because that's not my job but you know now we have this whole thing

01:24:00.060 like she was never the border czar but she was in charge of the messaging on immigration when she

01:24:06.940 made her trip to guatemala and told migrants do not come if if you come i believe you'll be sent away

01:24:17.260 well we all saw how effective that messaging was so it's very clear that the administration really

01:24:24.220 wanted to take her to take this issue off the plate to be the messenger on immigration

01:24:28.540 and she sort of wriggled out of that assignment ultimately you know did she succeed at any aspect

01:24:34.700 of the root causes i think they might have some metrics to say she did but did she fix mexico she

01:24:39.900 certainly didn't finish oh fix any root causes as we know it's also absurd um and root causes is always

01:24:46.220 a dodge not that there aren't root causes there are but whenever you see a politician pivot from

01:24:51.980 well let's get to the core the problem right to its root causes you realize that politician is just

01:24:58.780 punting right yeah so what was um in the end joe and jill biden's view of kamala harris disappointment

01:25:10.300 i think i think they really hoped she would rise to the occasion when there's reporting done that you

01:25:15.180 know joe biden said that she was work in progress just a few months ago he still believes that she was

01:25:24.460 making her way but probably hadn't have risen and seized the the imaginations of the american public

01:25:31.980 as well as they had hoped as being the sort of transformational figure historic figure

01:25:36.060 right like how can you not just instantly become an american icon yeah but with kamala harris it was a

01:25:43.180 very big struggle american icon certainly obama was an american icon right yeah but she's a member of

01:25:52.220 the master race so we have to worship her but no that's not how it really works in in the end if i

01:25:58.540 can just restate the obvious obama who i think was evil and bad for america but he was really talented

01:26:04.220 mm-hmm and i don't think it was because he was black he's just talented no it was he was very

01:26:10.300 talented and very but it was people like joe biden who's like wow you know he was the one on the

01:26:16.060 record calling but it's just praising him for being an articulate black guy just shows exactly it just

01:26:21.260 shows how racist the the rich white liberal is because all they see in obama is black and they're

01:26:26.620 like oh we just get some black person in here so when we can call black that person will become an american

01:26:31.020 icon and it's like no that's right you kind of have to earn it right and imagine if you're kamala

01:26:35.820 harris right you're brought into the democratic party as this as this this transformational figure

01:26:40.700 as this icon you're they view you as the female obama it's very insulting right because they don't

01:26:46.140 it's so insulting it's insane but this and this happened with tulsi gabbard too because if you remember

01:26:52.540 and i've she's done a number of great interviews with rogan with you um where she talks about how when she

01:26:58.300 first got and when she was first elected to congress the democratic party immediately brings

01:27:03.500 her into the higher echelons of power not the important ones right but the one vice chair of

01:27:08.620 the dnc yeah bring her into these positions because she's seen as this obvious person that we need to

01:27:17.260 center our agenda on to show how diverse and how open we are to new personalities and new people and

01:27:24.860 how fresh and young and interesting we are and the minute she diverts from the you know she talked

01:27:31.020 about this how she was celebrated by all of course democrats and the minute she diverts from the agenda

01:27:36.940 to warn about war in syria which is something she profoundly believes in war she's been to war

01:27:43.020 she does not like war but the minute she diverts from the agenda everyone's like oh i'm so sorry

01:27:49.740 your political career is over and now we're going to ostracize they never listened to what she said

01:27:54.540 i mean her views didn't change no she believed that when she got elected from hawaii but all they saw

01:28:02.140 was the way she looked right because they're racist and they judge people on the basis of their race

01:28:07.340 that's the definition of racist and they saw her and they're like oh she's not white therefore she's

01:28:13.580 great and they never heard a word she uttered even when she ran for president they just ignored her

01:28:19.660 they didn't well by that point they hated her because they they finally picked up on the fact

01:28:23.420 that she was against their whole agenda right but and she took out one of their star

01:28:30.700 their star people well she's tough yeah and she's great she's genuinely believes in things she's not

01:28:35.340 fake tough like harris right yeah it's like on the verge of tears when brett bayer asked her a question

01:28:41.020 it's like oh my gosh um so jill biden is very famous in dc this is a product of my reporting

01:28:47.660 from living down the street from her um as like a real bitch as someone who's you know tough and nasty

01:28:55.020 and i always tough girl from philly and she's on the record saying i am willing to forget the attacks

01:29:03.900 i will never forgive yeah i mean she's that i mean that's certainly you know her reputation

01:29:10.860 in dc over the 35 years i lived in the same city as her she was definitely regarded as

01:29:17.500 a bitch so i always wondered how did she get along with kamala harris now i don't think they ever

01:29:23.020 got along i think and it was very clear in events they say the things like we're so proud of you

01:29:28.700 thank you kamala yeah yeah right uh when she was selected you know jill biden was there to offer cookies

01:29:35.500 and pretend that everything's normal but yeah you don't forget those kinds of attacks against your

01:29:40.300 husband but good for her by the way i'm on i'm on dr jill's side on that right like you're obviously

01:29:46.940 part of have been in politics for a very long time so you're used to people attacking your husband and

01:29:52.380 certainly joe biden he was attacked for he always wanted to be president and he was always pushed

01:29:57.580 aside by the elites so she did have a chip on her shoulder yeah fair yeah and even joe biden himself i

01:30:03.100 mean when they finally reached this position they are people who were repeatedly thrust out of the

01:30:08.540 conversation and pushed aside and mocked and belittled until they needed him and so oh but

01:30:15.900 wait you get four years and then it's time for you to go we're done with you so what happened i mean

01:30:22.700 this just happened this summer yeah but it's maybe because it did just happen it's hard to understand

01:30:27.980 exactly what that was um what like what do you think that was and did kamala harris have a role i

01:30:34.460 assume she had a role in pushing biden out of course right the official narrative is that you

01:30:39.820 know she woke up one morning and had pancakes and bacon with her nieces and was working on a puzzle

01:30:45.740 and joe biden called her out of the blue and said i'm getting out of the race and i'm going to endorse

01:30:51.420 you for president and then she jumped and got on the phone and within 12 hours on the phone she wrapped

01:30:58.460 up the entire nomination that's the story that's the official story is it actually yeah so this is

01:31:04.940 single-handedly got on the phone eating anchovy pizza and sweats wearing her sweats and made it

01:31:12.220 enough phone calls to where she could wrap up the entire nomination in in a day so this is the so

01:31:17.180 that's the official that's the official tell lies that are so absurd they know we're not going to

01:31:22.940 believe them but they don't care they have actually i missed all this they that was the story that's

01:31:28.540 sort of the official story well that's just soviet i mean that's just absolutely crazy yeah so but we

01:31:35.660 know for three weeks maybe four from from after the debate in june to the day that joe biden announced

01:31:43.580 that he was stepping down there was a furious amount of activity behind the scenes pelosi schumer and

01:31:50.620 you know that kamala harris has to publicly backing joe the whole way but what are her people doing

01:31:59.180 behind the scenes is there no effort to sort of make sure that you're being considered come on to be

01:32:06.540 his heir which is your rightful position these are politicians politics is what they do right i mean

01:32:11.820 that's why they got into this that's how their brains work there's people behind you who are working

01:32:15.900 of course like of course you can claim to my ability i was doing nothing yeah there's people

01:32:21.100 who support you who tend who will get power from you if you were elected that are working on your

01:32:27.020 behalf that just happens organically out of our political system right it's been going on for

01:32:32.780 generations so you have to imagine that there was always going to be this this idea that there might be

01:32:41.420 an actual convention where we go and choose the candidate that we want there might be a democratic

01:32:47.900 process it's like uh yeah like a democratic process what do they call it a brokered convention

01:32:51.820 yeah or democracy i think they call it yeah something like that because it's so fragile so very fragile but

01:32:57.180 so very strong well it obviously doesn't exist if your presidential candidate gets the job without

01:33:05.500 anyone voting on it then that you don't have democracy right so i think that pelosi and people

01:33:10.940 did want to see a choice because they had hoped that the strongest candidate would emerge i think a

01:33:16.620 lot of the reason why biden ran for re-election in the first place is because he and many in the

01:33:20.860 democratic party and certainly in 2023 nobody thought that kamala harris could win a race for president

01:33:29.260 against donald trump not even win a primary they just didn't think he was ready right and that's

01:33:36.380 what's so fascinating like when i published the book a lot of what i was you know reporting and

01:33:42.860 researching was 23 in in dc when they when washington dc had thoroughly rejected her and we're even having

01:33:49.580 conversations of why not get rid of her entirely on the ticket we need somebody else if joe biden's

01:33:54.380 gonna win again so that we went from there i mean washington's cruel right you you show up and you

01:34:02.060 are not ready and you make mistakes as she clearly did during her first three years and that's pretty

01:34:07.020 well chronicled then they turn on you they don't see you as valuable and they had officially most of

01:34:13.260 washington thought she was a complete joke she didn't have you know there's not like these these

01:34:19.100 defenders or people who actually want to see you succeed in washington they're all rooting for

01:34:24.220 your failure and they only respect you if you prove them wrong and conal harris clearly wasn't

01:34:28.860 proving them wrong at this point in 23 so when she's ultimately kept on the ticket it's for obvious

01:34:35.260 reasons like we can't just kick her aside and and bring gretchen whitmer in to save the day

01:34:40.540 to run with joe biden right it's tough yeah it's tough you're you're beheld by the same

01:34:45.980 identity politics that you embrace to get her to this position

01:34:49.020 oh yes you're hung by your own petard yes that is um i mean it was it was obvious this was going

01:34:57.500 to happen i wasn't surprised at all i was a little surprised um that she picked tim walls if you want

01:35:05.660 a gay guy why not just go with pete butta judge what what was the thinking there um i don't know too much

01:35:14.060 other than what's been reported right it's just that ultimately she selected tim wall she had a

01:35:19.580 prior relationship in fact tim walls first appeared on the campaign trail when she went to minnesota

01:35:25.820 to visit a planned parenthood clinic for being the historic first vice president to actually campaign

01:35:31.900 at a planned parenthood at an abortion tim walls was right there cheering her on kind of wholesome

01:35:36.940 uplifting deal right like this is what we're for these are totally normal people right and so i think

01:35:42.700 that she met him there and at various points in her career and found him to be an entertaining

01:35:49.260 figure likable figure right figure you know we met at an abortion clinic and uh got along real well

01:35:56.380 he seemed kind of fussy and bubbly and so i thought i would pick him yeah they actually met

01:36:00.780 at an abortion clinic i don't know if that's the first time but that was definitely a pivotal moment

01:36:05.100 right it was like okay um wow i didn't know that that's it's one of the first times you see tim

01:36:13.900 walls on camera which i didn't recognize him at the time but going back and looking at her speeches

01:36:18.620 there he's right behind her clapping the whole time so i you know you assess people by what they do

01:36:23.580 but also by their relationships who are they close to and in her case i'm looking at the men in her life

01:36:29.260 and i see well obviously montel williams and willie brown um i know both of them um i like them both

01:36:38.460 better than the men currently in her life but the men now in her life would be her dad who is not in

01:36:43.500 her life in her life writing an op-ed attacking her not invited to her own inaugural you see tim walls who

01:36:51.260 is you know i guess her little gay friend or whatever but creepy guy hanging out at abortion clinics

01:36:56.860 together and then you see her husband the nanny impregnator who smacked a woman in the face

01:37:05.660 um what is that right when i did the reporting from the book and and i certainly did not pick

01:37:12.620 up on this but in washington at the time he was widely celebrated widely liked they really do people

01:37:18.380 in washington people in washington dc really like doug emhoff they thought he was this gregarious fun

01:37:23.180 which looks like it loved being in power and was just a golfer doing the best he could to back up

01:37:29.180 kamala harris and he would do all these panels about how his number one job was to you know defend

01:37:35.180 this idea of of having a strong woman in office well they love the beta male and it's always the beta

01:37:40.940 male was punching women in the face but whatever yeah but where did she meet him unfortunate what is that

01:37:46.780 they met but right i think it was right as she ran right after she won her second term

01:37:56.300 well it would have been in 2014 but right as she's getting ready to go national and she talks about in

01:38:02.460 her book how it wasn't easy to be a political figure being a single woman talks about how she was treated

01:38:08.940 differently and how it was a struggle so i do think ultimately she you know i'm sure they had a great

01:38:14.460 dating relationship and that they they've found enough in common to where they felt that you know

01:38:20.140 it was worth pursuing do you think she let him smack her around i don't see that no yeah i think doug's

01:38:26.940 been sufficiently tamed kept in his place yeah he's been tamed by the despite all the reporting of who doug

01:38:33.660 was before like he has definitely been put in his place and yeah and realizes his job and he's enjoying

01:38:42.220 the benefits of being a a man who supports strong women and i think that's why a lot of people i

01:38:48.860 think that was a step too far for a lot of the people that spoke to the daily mail it's like no

01:38:52.700 you are not this but they all are any male feminist has probably hit a woman i mean that's the whole

01:38:58.140 point of being a male feminist is to hide the fact that you treat women the fact that you're a monster

01:39:02.140 right obviously um every woman knows that by the way if you just ask a woman who are the men to be

01:39:08.140 afraid of is the one who's always telling you how is that right oh yeah any man who describes himself

01:39:13.740 as a feminist is probably a physical danger to you yeah wow sure well i mean i'm i'm from california

01:39:19.580 so i've seen this my whole life lived in washington yes for a very long time but emhoff um were did they

01:39:26.620 like publicly date i i missed all this were they was it well known that they were dating was he a big

01:39:32.780 political figure in california who is he no he's an entertainment lawyer yeah and so he was connected

01:39:38.620 by one of commonless friends and i think that they ended up together because obviously it's very

01:39:47.340 good in this time of your life to not be a single person i think that's especially if you're pursuing

01:39:52.300 higher office you don't want to be a single person and you know um and you shouldn't be it's

01:39:57.740 right and i'm not saying this in a mean way just honestly that kind of job is so hard

01:40:02.940 if you're not going to have somebody in your corner oh i agree yeah i'm not i'm sympathetic

01:40:07.580 to kamala harrison that way sure and they very much talk about doug as being this figure someone

01:40:13.340 she can come home and vent to and talk to and um even though she made the decision to go basically

01:40:21.420 be the president when he's at soul cycle exercising with friends and he doesn't find out until he gets

01:40:27.180 back to his car no he he admitted he admitted being at soul cycle with his gay friends yeah

01:40:32.220 that's what he said and he said he didn't find us real i mean how could it not it just

01:40:40.060 i was where else would you be how can you you like there has to be obvious evidence of that you

01:40:45.100 wouldn't make up that story it's just so unbelievable imagine yourself saying that when my wife got the

01:40:51.740 nod that she was going to run for president i was at soul cycle with my gay friends and i think he

01:40:56.220 said that that's what he said and then he said when i got back to my car i picked up my phone and

01:41:00.620 called her and she said where the f have you been man if one of my college roommates did something like

01:41:06.300 that i would call him up and say what are you thinking seriously wouldn't you yeah i would say

01:41:13.500 what yeah you made it and certainly yeah i mean it seems like she very much made the decision on her

01:41:19.420 own without you know time to think about it with friends and family maybe they had had this discussion

01:41:24.460 beforehand that if it if she ever got the call she could just go for it but doesn't sound like most

01:41:30.540 politicians are like well i gotta think about it with friends and family before i know you gotta

01:41:34.860 talk to your husband right your spouse yeah or your wife right yeah not friends and family your

01:41:41.580 spouse the person you're married to right right and then your kids they don't have kids she doesn't

01:41:46.700 have kids but but yeah then i guess your friends and family but your spouse is the first person you

01:41:52.380 should at least have a phone call before you accept it but we both should be on the same page or you're

01:41:57.340 not really married right well obviously this these are obvious things to non-political people it's not

01:42:02.780 just kamala harris she's not the only one with a fake marriage and politics like most of them seem

01:42:07.420 to have those but but i just want to say that out loud because it is really sick it's not normal and

01:42:13.580 we should just acknowledge that so we remember what normal is normal is when you have a marriage it's

01:42:17.980 a partnership a full partnership where if you're going to make a major life decision you talk it over

01:42:22.060 with your spouse that's my experience well of course or else it's not a real marriage right i mean

01:42:27.660 is that the whole point of marriage i think so i thought so right it is certainly just say i'm not

01:42:32.620 very familiar with um sort of the marriages that you're describing well that's just a roommate

01:42:37.500 situation yeah um so wow these stories came out in your paper can you just describe for maybe people

01:42:46.300 haven't been reading the daily mail so what are the stories that we've what have we learned about doug

01:42:50.540 emhoff right um that he had this relationship with this pretty professional pretty successful female

01:42:56.540 lawyer and that he struck her in the face when they were at a public event together and then

01:43:02.220 afterwards he kind of forced his way into her taxi even after the incident and basically was like well

01:43:10.700 this is just the product of of our relationship and you know this woman is clearly very upset very

01:43:17.660 um frightened by what he's done but he doesn't necessarily it's not let's there's no attempt to

01:43:28.060 heal or it just seems like it's the product of what happened that night and he certainly doesn't seem to

01:43:34.140 repented from that certainly not publicly do you okay so the but he the bottom line is he was dating a

01:43:39.020 woman there in can france south of france right at the film festival but at some aids event as i remember

01:43:45.660 yeah and he hits her in the face waiting out of jealousy she says waiting for their car in the

01:43:53.420 valley line mm-hmm i think that's the allegation is is it real i mean it's october of an election year

01:43:59.660 do you believe that's a real story certainly like the evidence that we've gathered in the fact and the

01:44:05.500 testimony you know the evidence from that night is certainly more real than any other accusation we've

01:44:11.820 heard about um a lot of men politicians recently really um can you imagine if maybe somebody accused

01:44:21.660 mike pence of doing that right would they would the media actually care about that i don't know um

01:44:29.980 that's a whole nother mike pence is a whole nother story man i don't know what to think there but

01:44:34.300 or any other no no of course no i see your right that if if the partisan positions were switched of

01:44:39.420 course if donald trump jr was obviously slapping women in the face would that be a big story and

01:44:44.300 really hard spinning her around right with his hand right so but when you say testimony can you

01:44:49.500 tell us what that is you talked to other people who were there well it wasn't my story at the daily

01:44:54.220 mail but but yeah the reporters who worked on the story and the editors who worked on the story

01:44:59.660 um spoke with a lot of witnesses about what had happened who recall that day the day that she called

01:45:08.220 them to tell them what happened and this you know corroborated evidence with evidence of the flight

01:45:14.860 ticket there's certainly enough there and you had a great conversation with megan kelly who came away

01:45:20.220 you know megan kelly's pretty a sharp lawyer right she came away saying she's very sharp she it was very

01:45:26.300 interesting to hear her talk about it and say you know i believe it all but she's a experience these

01:45:31.740 type of men that do these things and b um knows enough to smell whether or not a story is fake

01:45:39.020 yeah it's i guess and who does he go to to sort of wipe it all away joe scarborough

01:45:44.380 so funny joe scarborough is like well what about all this stuff and the tabloids and and doug emhoff

01:45:53.820 just looks him straight in the eyes like we can't get distracted from our mission here oh so emhoff

01:45:59.900 never denied it no i think his team did in some passive language but he certainly hasn't personally

01:46:07.420 so but bottom line you're convinced and again you work at the publication that ran this story

01:46:13.740 that this is a real person and your reporters oh i've heard people say oh we know who this woman is

01:46:20.300 like if the mainstream media was actually concerned about validating the story they could pursue it

01:46:29.100 yeah but as is often the case when you have an uncomfortable narrative or in the last days of an

01:46:35.260 election you know i guess we didn't get censored right and we didn't uh they didn't call it russian

01:46:41.740 disinformation and ban us from social media i think they're trying to just make it go they really would

01:46:47.660 like it to go away of course right which it will and the fact that you're talking about it and megan

01:46:51.420 kelly is talking about it is very inconvenient for their campaign you know it just it's look i i just

01:46:56.780 want to be consistent however i don't like doug emhoff's politics i feel sorry for him um just

01:47:02.700 because his life seems depressing but i don't like his politics but i also know that there have been a

01:47:07.500 lot of people whose politics i also don't like who've been destroyed by false accusations of sexual

01:47:13.740 harassment physical abuse like there's a lot of falseness around me too claims including people i know

01:47:23.020 and um had one of them on the other day mark alprin and so i just i just want to be fair right and i'm

01:47:31.020 also really uncomfortable with any accusation from an anonymous source against someone we name like so

01:47:36.060 we we name the person who's been accused but we don't name the accuser i just want to say for the

01:47:40.140 record i think that's immoral i don't think we should have anonymous accusations but whatever it seems very

01:47:45.740 common now but i just want to make sure that that um so you believe this they know who this is and

01:47:52.460 this seems like a real thing right i do believe it and when you have multiple witnesses that are

01:47:56.780 willing to say something means that they're deeply upset by what happened and not only that they're

01:48:00.780 deeply upset by the person he's being portrayed it's like they saw it happen witnesses you had you

01:48:06.060 interviewed your paper interviewed witnesses you saw it happen i think that they were witnesses who were

01:48:10.380 there who the woman talked to right wow the woman who you know this isn't uh this isn't you know we

01:48:17.820 can't be too cavalier but this isn't a christian christine blasey ford accusation this is something

01:48:22.620 where multiple people are and it wasn't it wasn't 40 years ago right this is something that happened

01:48:28.700 very recently amazing do you think that story has penetrated at all well certainly you and megan have

01:48:35.500 talked about yeah but which yeah has and donald trump made a joke about it well and not about the

01:48:43.100 violence story but he made a joke about the nanny story and during so that story is that emhoff

01:48:47.820 impregnated his nanny right and that that just seems like a fact he actually addressed it and said that yes it

01:48:53.500 happened huh um it has kamala respond said no no no and it's very it's one of those stories right you

01:49:06.460 don't ask about that if you ever want to get an interview with kamala harris again that's not

01:49:11.340 something you bring up right so certainly a lot of media figures aren't interested in asking about that

01:49:16.300 story how do you assess the coverage of her just kind of meta question here as a reporter as someone

01:49:23.740 who's really tried to cover kamala harris yeah that's what i've kind of you know because i remember

01:49:29.900 obama and i remember how the media was how they acted during the obama administration and if they

01:49:37.820 had actually held him accountable on a few things then it might have gone better yeah i think as a

01:49:42.860 journalist you kind of want to just hold people accountable and puncture through like their false

01:49:48.700 narratives reveal who they really are kind of expose their weaknesses yeah warn the american people like

01:49:55.100 this is the type of person that you would vote for yeah this is how they act behind the scenes this is

01:50:00.540 who they really are they're we're not going to let the politician tell their own story that's not good

01:50:05.900 for america that's not good for democracy you have to know the full story and you have to have

01:50:11.260 impartial people looking into it but you but kamala harris as a hero of the civil rights movement has

01:50:17.740 a story has exclusive rights to her own story right you don't get to tell her story right and you can

01:50:22.300 write your book every politician writes a book before they run for a higher office look at ronda

01:50:27.420 santus he published a book telling his whole story yeah but we don't just take the biography and

01:50:32.140 run with it as as the next american icon they have to earn that and certainly well we get to

01:50:38.460 we get to ask questions don't we that's our that's what we like to do i think yes actually uncover

01:50:44.860 interesting things about people that yeah and paint a bigger portrait than just the one that's on their

01:50:51.020 campaign ad their campaign slogan so i do i do find that very rewarding i think every journalist should

01:50:57.020 find that rewarding like who is the real kamala harris what does she believe in turns out not much

01:51:01.500 um if there's any issue she's never changed her position on or one issue she actually cares about

01:51:08.700 and can speak passionately about it's abortion i think that's her number one why do you think she's

01:51:14.380 so is this someone who never had children i'm not attacking her i feel sorry for her children are a source

01:51:19.020 of joy really the only enduring source of joy so um speaking of joy so i'm i'm definitely not attacking

01:51:25.180 her for that at all i feel really bad for her but why but it's just interesting that someone who never

01:51:31.260 had kids would be so committed to abortion like what do you think that is yeah i'm not sure um it's

01:51:36.700 it's obviously something that she has dealt with she's obviously had people in her life

01:51:41.500 who have dealt with she had an abortion she's not anyone asked her she's never publicly said anything

01:51:47.260 about it she's constantly talking about other people's abortions and abortion abortion abortion abortion

01:51:53.100 why is it out of bounds say have you had an abortion right because if you had you would

01:51:58.220 certainly expect that you would be this you would champion that moment since it's the expression of

01:52:03.340 human freedom if i'm running around talking about how we need how you know abortion subsidized

01:52:08.940 appendectomies then i think it's fair to say have you ever had an appendectomy right if there's

01:52:12.860 nothing to be ashamed of then why does nobody ask her i don't get that i don't you know i'm kind of

01:52:16.300 sick of playing along with all this stuff i must say all these weird taboos that only serve one

01:52:21.580 political party where there's some things you're supposed to talk about but only in a certain way

01:52:25.580 other things you're never allowed to talk about certain people have a right to tell their own

01:52:29.260 story other people who have no right to talk at all like i'm just who makes these rules and

01:52:33.340 why are we playing along with them right has any pro-choice woman who is in political office

01:52:40.540 shared her experience of having an abortion yeah i mean i really just for the record don't

01:52:44.620 want to hear about other people's abortions or abortion at all it's killing it's but if it

01:52:48.060 is the if it is the act of ultimate human freedom and you and you campaign on this well they're the

01:52:53.740 ones who are talking about it constantly so maybe maybe you would consider that this would be but if

01:52:58.140 brett bear had said to her the other night um you know madam vice president have you ever you talk

01:53:02.380 about abortion have you ever had one i mean i think he would have been fired from his job for saying

01:53:07.020 right and he certainly would become instantly a villain and you sort of wonder like why if there's

01:53:13.740 nothing wrong with abortion if you're supposed to shout your abortion or like tim walls is

01:53:19.340 very obviously gay i look at him i'm like well you're gay and i'm sure i'll be attacked for

01:53:24.300 saying that maybe he's not gay but he certainly seems gay right and you immediately say where's

01:53:28.700 your evidence oh i don't have any evidence i'm just saying the guy looks super super gay to me

01:53:33.100 but they're the ones always running on being like it's great to be gay okay if it's great to be gay then

01:53:37.340 why is it an attack on him for me to say that and why would it be out of bounds to be like hey

01:53:42.700 tim walls you seem super gay are you gay have you ever slept with dudes like if you asked that

01:53:47.980 question you would you'd be fired from your job you're just asking that now it's very controversial

01:53:52.780 right but why would it be controversial if there's nothing wrong with it right then why is it so

01:53:57.500 offensive to ask that question i don't like this doesn't make any sense i think ultimately democrats

01:54:02.060 feel like these issues are very private which is why they campaign so strong they're so private

01:54:06.220 really you've got a lgbtq plus parade in san francisco new york seattle every big city in

01:54:14.540 the country people having sex in the street so it's not private right they're telling my kids constantly

01:54:19.900 that it's a good thing so there's nothing private or forbidden or taboo about it now right just to be

01:54:25.500 clear those are right and then you have to keep the hell out of my bedroom we are the okay party of

01:54:31.180 privacy but if there's nothing wrong with being gay which is certainly in a position in fact it's

01:54:35.580 morally superior to being heterosexual obviously they say that in effect if the state department's

01:54:40.940 pushing it on every country around the world then why would it be somehow crazy or out of bounds or

01:54:47.020 taboo or offensive for me to say to tim walls you seem gay it's not an attack right are you gay

01:54:53.420 what but you know as well as i do that if i had an employer which i don't i would immediately be

01:55:01.260 fired for saying right so like what is that that doesn't make any sense and why are we playing along

01:55:05.260 with it that's my that's my point yeah i'm not gonna ask that question and by the way i wouldn't

01:55:13.740 either because i don't really want to know about tim wallace's sex life i don't want to know about

01:55:18.700 anyone's sex life i want to stop talking about our sex lives actually immediately right and i want to

01:55:22.620 talk about this in the past forcing other people in other countries to talk about their sex lives

01:55:26.620 i just want to declare a truce on race and sex and abortion i don't want to hear about your abortion

01:55:31.740 right i don't want you to talk about abortion shut up about abortion about your sex life about your race

01:55:37.900 that's the world that i want to live in but they're not allowing me to live in that world so as long

01:55:42.780 as they're not allowing me to live in that world why am i playing along with rules that are rigged

01:55:47.100 against me right these are fair questions right so why don't you ask him why don't you ask tim

01:55:52.060 walls that question about abortion no no just say hey tim walls you seem gay not attacking you but i've

01:55:59.340 seen the video of you doing jazz hands yeah are you gay have you ever had sex with a man i don't know

01:56:04.380 if i would i don't know if i would have enough evidence to make that no no but it just seems that

01:56:09.900 way uh-huh it's kind of my impression yeah are you gay would but that would that would go badly

01:56:16.060 for you wouldn't it right i would never i would never ask that question not all of us have the

01:56:23.500 the freedom to ask that question or the same like interest in that question well i don't have any

01:56:29.180 interest in it he's the one who's constantly he's the one who ran a gay straight alliance where he's

01:56:33.260 talking to children about their sex lives so right there that's a criminal offense in my book you

01:56:38.300 don't get to talk to other people's kids about their sex lives period yeah freak right but there

01:56:43.580 he's bragging about it okay you know why am i barking you charlie don't mean to bark at you

01:56:51.500 i don't know just trying to be rational for a second yeah it makes sense you know when you learn

01:56:55.740 to when you look at the what our media has become and when you wonder when you look at the questions

01:57:02.060 that they ask when they get the privilege you know interviewing a presidential candidate is now a

01:57:07.100 privilege right bestowed on you and you have to demonstrate that you're worthy on a number of

01:57:13.180 issues right the first person that got an interview with kamala harris was the woman from msnbc who

01:57:19.660 publicly said she didn't need to do interviews and then suddenly she gets an interview so that's what

01:57:24.860 our that's what our media has become right so you're you're filling me in on so much that i've missed

01:57:29.660 who at msnbc said that kamala harris didn't need to do it uh stephanie brule

01:57:33.340 stephanie brule she was on bill moire and said kamala harris doesn't need to do interviews

01:57:40.140 because it's so obvious that donald trump is the worst and that she's the best i mean i'm paraphrasing

01:57:46.060 stephanie brule the perky business reporter from msnbc yeah she was a business reporter

01:57:51.980 really checked i think so yeah yeah i mean she was the first one to ask she was the first one to

01:57:59.180 get a major well i guess dana bash got the first one right with uh tim walls and kamala harris but

01:58:05.420 stephanie brule got the first solo sit down with kamala harris i think that's true and yeah she

01:58:11.420 publicly said on bill moire then why does she even need to do media when it's very obvious that

01:58:17.260 she's the best candidate compared to trump wow that's crazy right she's just so great we don't

01:58:28.220 need to talk to her that's her position as journalists right that's the and she's the

01:58:32.940 one who got the first interview right i think it's because i think donald trump said something nasty

01:58:38.300 about her so that obviously about stephanie rule right which is why you instantly get elevated

01:58:43.260 i don't know stephanie rule we did not overlap i were i once worked there um she's good on camera

01:58:50.140 but i i haven't seen her on tv in a long time because i don't have a tv but right she you're

01:58:55.100 free well i am kind of free but i also miss stuff so i'm grateful that you're filling me in that's

01:58:59.340 amazing that she said that yeah so i'm i just want to boil it down and these are just my perceptions and

01:59:06.300 you can obviously disagree but i don't think you're likely to get a kamala harris interview

01:59:11.500 hope springs eternal no it's very true she has uh it's been reported that she has an enemies list

01:59:20.380 of reporters because she's very thin-skinned when it comes to coverage yes she hates anything poorly

01:59:26.780 written and i think one of the biggest examples of that was when she was very angry with the vogue

01:59:31.020 cover that came out after she won the vice presidency she was very displeased with this vogue cover of

01:59:36.220 her standing there in her chucks you know her sneakers and uh she was very upset by that was

01:59:43.660 one of the first controversies of her life so vogue was too tough on her vogue was ran and very

01:59:49.100 insensitive racially insensitive ignorant cover and she was very displeased by that what was it

01:59:55.260 a candid she didn't know she was posing for a vogue photo she was posing she just didn't know that would

01:59:59.340 be the cover she got to choose the outfits and the background but that was supposed to be inside

02:00:04.540 the magazine but it was not the cover to put her on the oh she was very upset about it people found

02:00:09.340 it very demeaning are you serious yeah it was one of the biggest controversy before she even took office

02:00:15.420 this was one of the biggest controversies of her career and that was even even the narcissism of rich

02:00:23.660 people in this country it's just it really doesn't even the biden team communications team was like

02:00:29.340 can we tone it down a little bit of it we don't want this to be the first major

02:00:33.180 controversy of our ministry of our we haven't even taken office yet and this is already what was

02:00:37.580 racially insensitive about it i'm not sure i think portraying her in a casual manner

02:00:44.620 was uh something she did not appreciate but i thought she was she was a joyful warrior

02:00:50.860 a joyful casual warrior so you just you just can't with someone like that right but the point is is

02:00:59.260 that she has an enemies list of reporters who don't appreciate her rise to power and any time that they

02:01:04.700 stray from the official common harris narrative then she's not going to do an interview with you

02:01:10.300 which is why you have um so many reporters being very cautious very careful and she certainly earned

02:01:16.060 that reputation throughout her whole presidential campaign i mean reporters and editors were very

02:01:20.300 familiar with getting angry responses from the way they covered kamala harris as a presidential

02:01:25.500 candidate i honestly feel like this is like some kind of weird right-wing parody meant to discredit

02:01:34.380 people like kamala harris i mean she's she's like living down to every stereotype but totally fragile

02:01:41.340 indecisive narcissistic this is not the female leadership we were promised at all this is like right

02:01:49.100 are all are all are all politicians narcissistic yes pretty much they are for sure oh definitely

02:01:55.980 she's not the only one i just want to be clear yeah but also you know being thin-skinned narcissistic

02:02:03.180 um very adamant about how you're covered um and very angry with how you're treated that's kind of if

02:02:10.700 if she called a vogue racist then we're dealing with i don't think she actually said that but

02:02:16.540 people close to her were upset of it for that yeah okay um last question are you going to make sure

02:02:23.740 that she sees this interview do you think she'll watch is she going to send this over to her press team

02:02:29.900 yeah i think i will and see if they have any response but ultimately i think that's going to

02:02:36.540 affect your there's a lot of people who are talking about kamala harris in a way that she would not

02:02:40.060 approve of yeah and up until this point she's decided just to ignore it but i think like there's enough

02:02:47.100 people talking about you've had some great people on who including an attorney from san francisco what's

02:02:53.500 her army dylan yeah army very very she was not a source for the book but very insightful yeah

02:02:59.500 growing up in that neighborhood and experiencing kamala harris for who she is i mean very insightful

02:03:04.620 interview and i think there's a lot of people talking about who the real kamala harris is that

02:03:09.980 i think that's why ultimately she feels like she has to come out and do a media tour because she has to

02:03:14.460 distract from the conversations that are actually taking place it's not working well you'd think she'd feel

02:03:19.580 obligated just because that's how democracy works voters have a right to information about you before

02:03:26.060 they vote on you right but she doesn't feel that way well and obviously as these news institutions lose

02:03:32.220 the power to control the masses and cheerlead for you even though you don't give them interviews

02:03:39.820 then what's the benefit

02:03:44.060 yeah i mean we don't have a working it's just north korean press agency here so

02:03:48.300 yeah well bless you and the daily mail and anyone else who retains a commitment to telling the

02:03:56.220 truth you know imperfectly because we're people but you know trying um i don't think we can function

02:04:03.420 as a free country without it so i appreciate your doing it well thanks so much for having me

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The Tucker Carlson Show - October 20, 2024

Tucker & Charlie Spiering React to the Al Smith Dinner, & Why Democrats Are Turning against Kamala

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