The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker Confronts Mike Huckabee on America’s Toxic Relationship With Israel

00:00:00.220 We're about to play you an interview we did with U.S. Ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, two days ago in Israel.

00:00:07.940 In general, it's never worth talking about the backstory behind an interview.

00:00:13.780 It's kind of not the point. It makes it about the interviewer, not the person being interviewed.

00:00:18.900 For one thing, for another, it's not that interesting most of the time.

00:00:23.200 And for another, it's kind of off the record.

00:00:25.980 You know, the other person hasn't consented to you telling the story.

00:00:30.860 So in general, we don't do that. Who'd want to hear that? Let the interview speak for itself.

00:00:35.520 But in this case, we want to tell you just a few things about how this interview came about,

00:00:39.660 because they are pretty interesting, revealing, and now weirdly relevant, apparently.

00:00:47.340 So this interview with Mike Huckabee came about a couple of weeks ago on Twitter.

00:00:52.640 One of our producers showed me, he said something to the effect of,

00:00:55.980 you're talking to Middle Eastern Christians, Tucker Carlson.

00:00:58.440 Maybe you should talk to me.

00:01:00.780 Why don't you come do an interview?

00:01:02.940 And I paused for a minute.

00:01:04.260 I thought in the past about trying to interview Mike Huckabee,

00:01:06.860 whom I've known for over 30 years and worked adjacent to at Fox.

00:01:11.940 And I had mixed feelings about it,

00:01:13.760 mostly because it's hard if you're me to interview Mike Huckabee,

00:01:16.940 because of just the personal affect.

00:01:19.400 Mike Huckabee is jovial, comes off as friendly, he's a grandfather.

00:01:24.220 When annoyed, I can be nasty in interviews.

00:01:27.460 And so it takes a lot of self-control to interview someone like Mike Huckabee,

00:01:32.060 not because I hate him, but because it's hard to ask him tough questions

00:01:35.640 and not come off as a jerk, which I often am.

00:01:39.540 But I thought in this case, yeah, I should definitely do this

00:01:42.540 for a bunch of different reasons.

00:01:45.220 Mainly, the United States is moving toward a big war, a real war with Iran,

00:01:50.960 a regime change war,

00:01:52.820 the biggest war we've had since the invasion of Iraq in the spring of 2003.

00:01:58.480 And Israel is driving that.

00:02:00.260 We are doing this at the behest,

00:02:01.400 at the demand of the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:02:04.640 So it seems like now is the time for more Americans to understand the dynamic

00:02:08.480 between the U.S. and Israel and to call attention to that.

00:02:11.320 And for another, Huckabee's behavior in the last year in Jerusalem as the ambassador

00:02:18.200 has been very, very striking.

00:02:20.980 He famously had a meeting with the most damaging spy in American history.

00:02:28.940 And why did he do that?

00:02:30.500 He hadn't been asked by anybody up until two days ago,

00:02:34.300 why did you do that?

00:02:35.060 So I wanted to be able to ask him that.

00:02:37.040 And so we accepted and then began the usual negotiations

00:02:42.140 about when and where the interview would take place.

00:02:44.060 And we were constrained because we weren't expecting this.

00:02:46.100 We wanted to do it quickly, but we had tons of travel.

00:02:49.660 So we threw them a date, them being the American embassy.

00:02:53.400 We can do it on this date.

00:02:54.560 And they were very accommodating.

00:02:55.920 And then the question became, well, where do we do it?

00:02:57.520 And maybe a Christian holy site.

00:03:00.340 We said, we've got to get in and out really quick.

00:03:02.100 Got to be back to do a bunch of other interviews.

00:03:04.340 But we've got this time frame.

00:03:06.200 They said, well, why don't you do it at the U.S. embassy?

00:03:08.200 Or maybe we set that great U.S. embassy.

00:03:10.360 So the U.S. embassy is about an hour, 55 minutes

00:03:14.100 from the big airport in Israel, Ben-Gurion.

00:03:17.360 So we said, okay, what about security?

00:03:20.560 Now, at this time, the Israeli government,

00:03:23.120 the prime minister included, were attacking me in this show.

00:03:27.240 Netanyahu suggested I was a Nazi, for example.

00:03:30.520 And so we thought, you know, how about security?

00:03:33.780 Obviously.

00:03:36.200 Not because the Israeli government necessarily

00:03:38.040 would do something bad, because there are a lot of people

00:03:39.420 in Israel who think, because they've been told,

00:03:41.860 you know, that I'm an anti-Semite or a Nazi

00:03:44.100 or want to kill Jews.

00:03:45.480 It's kind of a crazy overstatement.

00:03:48.360 All untrue, obviously.

00:03:50.520 But it would be good to have security.

00:03:52.560 And I should say, having done interviews

00:03:56.040 on six out of seven continents over 35 years,

00:03:58.460 I'm not very security conscious at all.

00:04:00.900 Never really feel uncomfortable with this.

00:04:02.340 Seem like a prudent thing to do.

00:04:04.820 So we were told by the embassy spokesman,

00:04:06.720 no, we're not going to provide security.

00:04:09.140 And so we said, okay, I guess we'll get private security.

00:04:12.480 But could we get someone from the embassy

00:04:14.280 to ride in the car with us from the airport to the interview?

00:04:19.900 And we were told, no, could we get what they call

00:04:21.760 a control officer, just an American, with us,

00:04:24.740 you know, in an official capacity as an embassy employee with us.

00:04:28.560 No, quote, for legal reasons, we can't do that.

00:04:31.280 So I thought, well, that's very strange.

00:04:36.400 And then they said, but instead, we're turning you over

00:04:39.120 to the Ministry for Foreign Affairs, MFA,

00:04:42.240 and they're going to arrange everything in Israel.

00:04:44.900 Well, this was within 24 hours of the deputy foreign minister,

00:04:49.220 Sharon Haskell, releasing a video calling me an anti-Semite

00:04:52.120 and an enemy of Israel.

00:04:53.800 This was the person who the embassy was telling us

00:04:56.160 was going to handle all of our travel.

00:04:57.520 So it was at this point that I just called.

00:05:02.000 I called the spokesman for the U.S. embassy in Israel,

00:05:05.480 and I said, okay, I'm an American citizen

00:05:08.560 responding to an invitation from the American ambassador

00:05:13.240 to Israel.

00:05:14.040 And by the way, I'm the son of a U.S. ambassador,

00:05:15.500 so I have some sense, not an expert, obviously,

00:05:17.820 but I have some sense of how this works.

00:05:19.400 And I think that the U.S. ambassador has discretion

00:05:22.680 to send somebody from his office to the airport

00:05:25.060 to accompany someone in.

00:05:27.120 I think that's right.

00:05:28.360 And if it's not right, tell me what law you're talking about,

00:05:31.040 what legal reason you're talking about

00:05:32.520 that would prevent that.

00:05:34.000 And now you're sending me over to a government official

00:05:36.840 who's been calling me a Nazi?

00:05:38.620 That's the person in charge of getting us to the embassy?

00:05:41.960 Like, what is going on here?

00:05:44.280 And the embassy spokesman, who's totally nice,

00:05:47.040 said, well, this was the decision of someone

00:05:48.620 called David Brownstein.

00:05:49.800 He's the DCM, the number two guy in the embassy.

00:05:51.720 And I said, well, put him on a text exchange.

00:05:53.600 He's like, what is going on here?

00:05:56.160 And so Brownstein got on and didn't answer the question,

00:06:00.900 but basically said, well, okay,

00:06:01.880 let's just do the interview at the airport

00:06:03.660 in the diplomatic reception area at the airport.

00:06:07.300 Okay, I said, we're going to be flying in from Europe

00:06:11.740 and we had to be in and out really quickly.

00:06:14.680 So at great expense, we chartered a plane,

00:06:16.700 which I never do because I'm cheap.

00:06:19.140 But we did.

00:06:21.500 And so then I said to them, okay,

00:06:22.660 I want to send you the flight information,

00:06:26.160 tail number, flight number, route.

00:06:29.500 And I want you to pass that on to the Israeli military

00:06:32.020 just so they don't mistake us

00:06:34.720 for an Iranian drone or something.

00:06:36.460 I mean, not to be paranoid,

00:06:37.600 but again, this is probably the most violent country

00:06:40.240 in the world, Israel.

00:06:42.400 Is there a country in the world

00:06:43.620 where a higher percentage of the population

00:06:45.240 has held a gun or shot someone?

00:06:46.540 I mean, I don't know the answer,

00:06:48.160 but this is a country famously waging

00:06:51.300 a seven front war with all of its neighbors.

00:06:55.780 You know, so this is also the country

00:06:58.660 that bombed the USS Liberty,

00:07:01.200 knowing, we know this from NSA intercepts,

00:07:03.200 that it was an American ship.

00:07:04.360 So don't, you know, just send the military

00:07:07.860 our flight information and, you know,

00:07:11.960 we can all just sort of know it's on the record

00:07:13.940 and we can all calm down a little bit.

00:07:15.500 But no, they said, the U.S. Embassy said,

00:07:18.160 no, this is, your flight is not a matter of concern

00:07:22.340 to the Israeli military.

00:07:24.020 I said, okay, now, now you're making me uncomfortable.

00:07:27.720 Isn't the airspace of Israel

00:07:29.780 the purview of the Israeli military?

00:07:32.000 Aren't they in charge of maintaining

00:07:33.960 the integrity of their airspace

00:07:35.180 when you fly over the country of Israel

00:07:37.160 or any country, its military keeps track of you

00:07:40.480 because that's their job.

00:07:42.160 So why wouldn't you send our flight information

00:07:44.180 to the Israeli military?

00:07:46.160 You're making me nervous.

00:07:48.960 I sent this exchange.

00:07:50.800 I took a screenshot of it

00:07:52.240 and sent it to a bunch of people,

00:07:53.140 including in the U.S. government,

00:07:54.900 because I'm not a paranoid person

00:07:56.640 and I'm not a jumpy person.

00:07:59.080 I said, is this weird behavior?

00:08:01.120 Yeah, it's really weird behavior.

00:08:03.320 All of them said that.

00:08:04.760 So I got pretty aggressive

00:08:06.020 and just said, look, you got to do this.

00:08:07.940 Okay, and they, to their credit,

00:08:10.120 got back to us and said, yes, we will do that.

00:08:14.380 But I just thought that was completely bizarre

00:08:16.200 and menacing, by the way.

00:08:18.480 Now, at the same time,

00:08:19.880 and I think this is relevant,

00:08:21.800 certainly it goes to motive,

00:08:22.920 I was attempting to set up a meeting

00:08:24.760 as I have been for the past three months

00:08:27.020 with the prime minister of Israel,

00:08:29.180 Benjamin Netanyahu,

00:08:30.040 who I've dealt with a lot in the past

00:08:32.080 and who denounced me as a Nazi in public,

00:08:36.960 a member of the Woke Reich.

00:08:39.060 And why was I trying to do that?

00:08:40.140 Not an interview.

00:08:40.820 I knew he wouldn't sit for an interview,

00:08:42.440 but I wanted just to meet with him in person.

00:08:44.640 One, to show that I'm willing to go to Israel.

00:08:46.680 I don't hate Israel as a country.

00:08:50.440 But two, just to say directly to him,

00:08:53.460 this is bad.

00:08:55.000 This should be de-escalated.

00:08:56.520 This kind of rhetoric doesn't help anybody,

00:08:59.280 calling people, calling me specifically,

00:09:00.940 a Nazi and an anti-Semite

00:09:03.120 when you know that I'm not.

00:09:04.520 By the way, if I was, I would just admit it.

00:09:06.200 I've said many times,

00:09:07.080 I think anti-Semitism is immoral.

00:09:08.720 It's against my religion,

00:09:10.040 just as hating any group

00:09:11.720 on the basis of their bloodline is immoral.

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00:11:37.040 And so I really pushed hard

00:11:39.080 for this meeting,

00:11:39.620 and I called a lot of people

00:11:40.760 who know him

00:11:41.400 and who are in

00:11:42.260 regular contact with him.

00:11:44.900 In fact, I went to go see

00:11:45.800 some of those people directly.

00:11:47.960 Please, can you help me

00:11:49.620 get a sit down for five minutes

00:11:52.960 with Benjamin Netanyahu?

00:11:54.640 And I probably called

00:11:55.540 or met with six, seven, eight,

00:11:59.060 maybe more people on this question.

00:12:01.160 People in official capacities,

00:12:02.740 people in the Israeli government.

00:12:03.740 I know I know a number of people

00:12:04.820 in the Israeli government,

00:12:05.500 people in Israel,

00:12:06.940 a friend of mine in California

00:12:08.120 who knows him.

00:12:08.840 I mean, I really, really tried.

00:12:10.560 And I did so for two reasons.

00:12:13.600 One, because there was a threat

00:12:15.500 to my family.

00:12:17.040 The Israeli government

00:12:18.000 and Netanyahu himself

00:12:19.100 tried to punish

00:12:20.080 two members of my family.

00:12:21.360 I won't be more specific,

00:12:22.300 but actually punish

00:12:23.080 two members of my family

00:12:24.140 because he, as he has said

00:12:26.100 in public many times,

00:12:27.060 believes in blood guilt, Amalek.

00:12:29.140 You know, when someone

00:12:30.740 commits a crime against you,

00:12:32.220 you punish not just him,

00:12:33.100 but his family, his bloodline.

00:12:34.940 There's no idea

00:12:36.580 that's less Western than that,

00:12:38.360 more anti-Christian than that.

00:12:40.140 Christians reject that.

00:12:42.860 Netanyahu doesn't.

00:12:43.960 That's why he's talking

00:12:44.540 about Amalek.

00:12:45.240 And he was going after

00:12:47.060 my family, literally.

00:12:49.520 So I felt very threatened by that.

00:12:51.860 But moreover,

00:12:52.640 I think it's bad for my country

00:12:53.900 to have people

00:12:56.400 using that kind of language,

00:12:58.160 round them up,

00:12:58.780 bring them to the camps,

00:12:59.720 gas chambers,

00:13:00.540 Nazis, anti-Semitism.

00:13:02.320 It scares the heck out of people.

00:13:04.000 It makes people crazy

00:13:04.740 and hysterical.

00:13:05.760 And certainly in my case,

00:13:06.840 none of that is true.

00:13:07.960 I hate collective punishment.

00:13:09.420 I hate attacking people

00:13:11.620 on the basis

00:13:12.160 of their bloodline.

00:13:13.000 I hate anti-Semitism

00:13:14.300 and anti-white racism

00:13:15.600 and all of this

00:13:16.600 or any kind of racism,

00:13:17.800 period.

00:13:18.280 And I've said that a lot.

00:13:20.280 So using that kind of language

00:13:23.160 against someone

00:13:24.160 who is not fundamentally

00:13:25.360 your enemy,

00:13:26.000 who just, in my case,

00:13:27.240 I want Christians

00:13:28.540 in areas controlled by Israel

00:13:30.960 to be treated with dignity,

00:13:32.620 to have rights.

00:13:34.980 And I don't want

00:13:36.400 the U.S. government

00:13:37.100 involved in a war,

00:13:38.820 a regime change war

00:13:39.760 with Iran.

00:13:40.260 Those are my priorities

00:13:42.460 and I've said them out loud.

00:13:43.560 I have no secret agenda.

00:13:45.080 So to attack me

00:13:46.420 as a Nazi

00:13:47.300 for saying that

00:13:48.500 suggests

00:13:49.300 a total unwillingness

00:13:51.760 to compromise.

00:13:54.900 You know,

00:13:55.060 anyone who doesn't agree

00:13:55.820 with us 100%

00:13:56.640 must be destroyed.

00:13:57.680 His family must be attacked,

00:13:59.000 my family,

00:14:00.400 and must be written off

00:14:02.320 as a Nazi.

00:14:03.400 Well, when you do that,

00:14:04.820 it makes people hysterical.

00:14:06.500 It increases the temperature

00:14:07.740 to a point that,

00:14:08.900 you know,

00:14:09.980 someone's going to get hurt

00:14:10.860 if you keep talking that way.

00:14:12.320 And it's just bad.

00:14:13.260 It's bad for the United States.

00:14:14.200 It's bad for the world.

00:14:15.420 So I wanted to deliver

00:14:16.500 that message.

00:14:17.940 I finally wound up

00:14:18.980 talking to a guy

00:14:19.880 called Yoram Hazoni,

00:14:21.360 who is an Israeli

00:14:22.300 who famously organizes

00:14:24.080 the American

00:14:25.520 National Conservatism

00:14:27.800 conferences.

00:14:29.440 And I said to him,

00:14:30.440 look,

00:14:31.020 you're having

00:14:31.480 a National Conservatism

00:14:32.580 conference

00:14:33.040 in Jerusalem

00:14:34.180 this summer.

00:14:36.080 You asked me to speak

00:14:37.340 at the first,

00:14:37.940 I think the first,

00:14:38.780 National Conservatism

00:14:40.320 conference in the United States.

00:14:41.560 And I did.

00:14:42.640 Obviously,

00:14:43.060 I believe in National Conservatism.

00:14:44.720 America first.

00:14:45.600 I think every nation

00:14:46.260 should put its own people first.

00:14:47.880 That's why you have governments.

00:14:49.680 And I would like

00:14:50.280 to speak at this one.

00:14:51.120 And moreover,

00:14:51.600 I would like you to ask

00:14:52.460 your friend,

00:14:53.020 Benjamin Netanyahu,

00:14:53.700 to meet with me.

00:14:54.820 And we had this sort of

00:14:55.440 long back and forth.

00:14:56.200 And it was,

00:14:56.660 no, you cannot speak

00:14:57.420 at the National Conservatism

00:14:58.540 conference because

00:14:59.480 you're an anti-Semite.

00:15:01.120 No, I'm not, I said.

00:15:02.240 Yes, you are, you said.

00:15:03.740 And I said,

00:15:04.480 well, I really would like

00:15:05.140 to speak to Bibi

00:15:05.740 to kind of de-escalate this.

00:15:07.540 And he said,

00:15:09.020 it would not be

00:15:10.840 in his political interest

00:15:12.520 to meet with you.

00:15:13.680 It's almost verbatim

00:15:14.480 what he said.

00:15:15.480 Therefore, no.

00:15:17.400 So then I realized,

00:15:18.520 you know,

00:15:18.880 you're dealing with people

00:15:19.740 who are unreasonable,

00:15:21.660 who are inflexible,

00:15:23.060 who are in fact fanatical.

00:15:25.900 And then add to that,

00:15:27.080 of course,

00:15:27.340 that my tax dollars

00:15:28.180 are paying them.

00:15:29.640 You know,

00:15:30.460 it's all pretty distressing.

00:15:31.960 So that was the backdrop

00:15:33.880 behind our very brief

00:15:37.020 and highly intense

00:15:38.220 trip to Israel.

00:15:39.000 So we show up

00:15:39.600 on Wednesday,

00:15:40.940 flying from Europe,

00:15:42.300 again,

00:15:42.900 at great expense,

00:15:44.800 and show up

00:15:46.600 at the diplomatic terminal

00:15:47.540 at Ben-Gurion Airport

00:15:48.560 where this interview

00:15:49.780 is going to take place,

00:15:50.960 which is

00:15:51.980 bizarre in itself.

00:15:55.480 A filthy building.

00:15:56.760 The windows are so dirty

00:15:58.080 in the terminal,

00:15:58.760 you can't see out them,

00:15:59.860 barely.

00:16:00.700 There's like exposed drywall.

00:16:02.300 The whole thing

00:16:02.800 is depressing and grim.

00:16:04.240 There's litter outside.

00:16:05.240 Like, what is this?

00:16:06.700 This is the diplomatic terminal

00:16:08.020 in Israel.

00:16:09.220 I thought that was very strange,

00:16:10.500 having been in a lot

00:16:11.160 of diplomatic terminals.

00:16:12.120 I've never seen a rattier one.

00:16:13.300 We go in

00:16:13.920 and Huckabee's there.

00:16:16.200 And of course,

00:16:16.520 he's totally friendly

00:16:17.400 as he always is.

00:16:19.320 Very, very friendly guy

00:16:20.520 and cheerful

00:16:21.840 and we sort of chat.

00:16:23.640 And the whole place

00:16:24.880 is filled with these

00:16:25.740 guys in t-shirts,

00:16:27.400 thuggish looking guys

00:16:28.300 in t-shirts

00:16:28.840 who are some kind of security.

00:16:30.980 So we do the interview.

00:16:32.120 You're about to watch it.

00:16:33.460 It's very long

00:16:34.480 at two and a half hours-ish

00:16:36.000 and I try my hardest

00:16:38.100 to be friendly.

00:16:41.620 I think I kind of succeeded.

00:16:43.100 You can judge for yourself.

00:16:44.920 But I really got the sense

00:16:46.620 and again,

00:16:47.500 you can decide

00:16:48.340 as you watch it

00:16:49.180 that Huckabee was not

00:16:52.380 able to answer

00:16:53.780 any of the questions

00:16:54.460 but also not really in charge.

00:16:56.660 You really got the feeling

00:16:57.660 of a guy

00:16:58.300 sort of trying his best

00:16:59.960 to repeat the talking points

00:17:03.240 but very constrained,

00:17:05.040 like unable

00:17:05.580 to say certain things.

00:17:06.880 Not because those things

00:17:08.140 might harm the interest

00:17:10.040 of the U.S. government.

00:17:11.240 He was happy

00:17:11.980 to attack,

00:17:12.900 for example,

00:17:13.300 the U.S. military

00:17:14.160 and say they're more brutal

00:17:15.260 than the Israeli military.

00:17:16.620 Okay.

00:17:18.120 But unwilling to say

00:17:19.140 certain things

00:17:19.580 because they might reflect

00:17:20.420 poorly on the Israeli government.

00:17:21.820 And you sort of

00:17:25.140 thinking about this

00:17:25.680 for a second,

00:17:26.080 you're like,

00:17:26.320 wait,

00:17:26.480 you're the U.S. ambassador.

00:17:27.980 You're our representative

00:17:29.100 to a foreign country.

00:17:30.660 Why is your red line

00:17:32.160 criticism of that country?

00:17:34.120 Shouldn't you be representing us?

00:17:36.100 And it was very obvious

00:17:37.220 he was representing

00:17:37.960 the Israelis.

00:17:39.640 Obvious.

00:17:40.160 And again,

00:17:40.500 you can judge for yourself.

00:17:41.600 But anyway,

00:17:41.900 so we do this interview.

00:17:43.160 It was cordial.

00:17:43.940 And at the end,

00:17:47.400 we're set to fly out.

00:17:49.240 We have a time.

00:17:49.780 We have to get out.

00:17:50.640 And the plane is sitting

00:17:51.560 right outside.

00:17:52.800 And we're ready to go.

00:17:54.360 And for some reason,

00:17:55.760 the Israelis still have

00:17:56.520 our passports.

00:17:57.720 There are five of us there.

00:18:01.880 And four of us are flying out

00:18:03.200 on this plane.

00:18:03.660 One's flying out commercial

00:18:04.580 with our gear.

00:18:05.760 So my business partner and I,

00:18:07.840 which were standing there,

00:18:08.580 we've never left the airport,

00:18:09.960 never went anywhere.

00:18:10.620 But our two producers

00:18:12.120 have spent the night

00:18:13.220 before in Tel Aviv.

00:18:15.080 And they're called into rooms

00:18:17.000 and given the third degree.

00:18:21.320 Now, keep in mind,

00:18:22.400 they're about to get

00:18:23.280 on a plane and leave.

00:18:24.480 In fact, we're late.

00:18:25.620 We have to get out of there.

00:18:26.860 We have a slot to get out.

00:18:29.260 And security,

00:18:30.920 whoever this is,

00:18:31.540 won't let them go.

00:18:32.780 So I don't really know

00:18:33.380 what's going on at this point.

00:18:34.260 I'm like, where are our guys?

00:18:34.940 We got to get out of here.

00:18:36.300 So one of them comes out

00:18:37.460 and he says,

00:18:37.840 that was the weirdest

00:18:38.320 experience of my life.

00:18:39.380 They asked me questions

00:18:41.220 about the interview.

00:18:42.160 Who did you speak to?

00:18:43.480 Keep in mind,

00:18:44.520 this was like eight feet

00:18:45.580 from where we did the interview.

00:18:47.620 Well, the U.S. ambassador,

00:18:48.800 Mike Huckabee,

00:18:49.280 what did you talk about?

00:18:51.040 Why did you ask those questions?

00:18:52.860 Was it a hostile interview?

00:18:53.900 And of course,

00:18:54.420 everything in the diplomatic terminal

00:18:55.880 is taped.

00:18:56.600 Everything in Israel is taped.

00:18:57.640 It's a police state.

00:18:58.380 It's a surveillance state,

00:18:59.500 obviously.

00:19:00.320 You go to Israel,

00:19:00.960 they put software on your phone.

00:19:04.220 Everybody knows this.

00:19:05.640 They're constantly spying on you

00:19:06.980 more than probably

00:19:07.920 any other country.

00:19:09.380 And so they know the answers

00:19:10.680 to these questions,

00:19:11.360 but they're asking my producer,

00:19:13.740 like, where do you work?

00:19:16.080 How many people work there?

00:19:17.960 Do you go to the office?

00:19:18.960 Where is the office?

00:19:19.720 What are their names?

00:19:21.360 They're doing like an intel op

00:19:23.640 and humiliation exercise

00:19:26.440 on my producer.

00:19:28.260 This isn't security.

00:19:29.420 We're leaving right now.

00:19:32.560 And they're holding his passport.

00:19:34.800 The interrogator is holding

00:19:36.180 the passport in his hand

00:19:37.500 as he's asking these questions.

00:19:39.420 So he's telling me this.

00:19:40.480 And I said,

00:19:41.040 this is the most outrageous thing

00:19:41.920 I've ever heard.

00:19:42.400 Puckabee's gone by this point.

00:19:45.020 You're an American citizen

00:19:46.140 who's just had a conversation

00:19:47.060 with the U.S. ambassador

00:19:48.340 and some thug

00:19:50.120 is demanding details

00:19:52.060 of that conversation?

00:19:54.300 And I hope you didn't answer.

00:19:55.800 And he's like,

00:19:56.460 no, I didn't.

00:19:57.400 I don't know what to say.

00:19:59.200 Meanwhile,

00:19:59.840 our last guy,

00:20:01.200 the youngest man

00:20:02.260 who was traveling with us,

00:20:03.480 our last producer,

00:20:04.400 is still in a room

00:20:05.280 being questioned.

00:20:05.880 So I pull over one of the guys

00:20:07.200 and said,

00:20:07.500 we got to get out of here.

00:20:09.700 So I don't know

00:20:10.380 what this is about.

00:20:11.280 It's outrageous.

00:20:13.600 And,

00:20:14.120 you know,

00:20:15.700 there's nothing I can do

00:20:16.220 about this point,

00:20:16.680 but we got to go.

00:20:18.500 And this woman comes up to me

00:20:19.620 and says,

00:20:19.900 look,

00:20:20.080 let's just go.

00:20:20.940 We're going to bring you

00:20:21.460 to the plane

00:20:22.020 and he'll come later.

00:20:24.260 I said,

00:20:24.860 no,

00:20:25.360 it's my producer.

00:20:26.460 He's being interrogated,

00:20:27.880 asked totally over the top,

00:20:30.060 fully inappropriate questions

00:20:31.380 that have nothing to do

00:20:32.780 with security at all.

00:20:33.920 You know,

00:20:35.400 pull up your website,

00:20:36.360 show us your text exchanges

00:20:37.760 with other people

00:20:38.340 on your staff.

00:20:39.580 What are your politics like?

00:20:41.860 And again,

00:20:42.340 what did you say

00:20:42.980 to the U.S. ambassador

00:20:43.700 and what did he say back to you?

00:20:44.720 Those are not relevant questions

00:20:47.140 if you're trying

00:20:48.080 to keep your country secure.

00:20:49.680 Those are intel questions.

00:20:52.140 And they're over the top.

00:20:54.420 And I said,

00:20:55.000 I want this guy out now.

00:20:56.260 Let's go,

00:20:56.700 you know,

00:20:56.860 we got to go.

00:20:57.360 And they said,

00:20:57.600 no,

00:20:57.740 no,

00:20:57.800 just leave him here.

00:20:59.020 We'll bring him

00:20:59.580 to the plane later.

00:21:00.380 Twice they told me that.

00:21:03.100 Just leave your guy behind.

00:21:04.580 No,

00:21:04.700 I don't think so.

00:21:06.240 So I was enraged by this.

00:21:09.780 Get on the plane.

00:21:11.320 We get a text

00:21:12.000 from a reporter

00:21:12.920 who somehow knew

00:21:13.660 that this had happened.

00:21:15.000 I have no idea how.

00:21:16.620 I had no interest

00:21:17.180 in publicizing it actually.

00:21:20.420 There was,

00:21:21.600 you know,

00:21:22.380 a long trail

00:21:23.920 that showed

00:21:24.440 that the U.S. embassy

00:21:25.500 had been coordinating

00:21:27.020 against us

00:21:28.280 in a public relations battle

00:21:30.220 before we even got there.

00:21:31.960 You know,

00:21:32.200 they were leaking

00:21:32.740 that we demanded

00:21:34.040 to do it at the airport

00:21:35.180 because we were afraid

00:21:36.000 to go into Israel.

00:21:37.320 We're cowards.

00:21:39.820 Okay.

00:21:40.760 We're cowards.

00:21:42.360 Right.

00:21:45.000 And so I just said

00:21:46.080 to the reporter

00:21:46.820 by text,

00:21:47.880 you know,

00:21:48.280 they pulled my guys

00:21:49.220 into a room

00:21:50.000 interrogating them.

00:21:51.160 This is outrageous,

00:21:52.360 et cetera,

00:21:52.700 et cetera,

00:21:52.980 et cetera.

00:21:53.880 The interesting thing is

00:21:55.080 I never heard

00:21:56.780 from Huckabee

00:21:57.720 or anybody

00:21:58.500 to this moment

00:21:59.280 from the U.S. embassy

00:22:00.340 about

00:22:01.020 what security

00:22:02.860 did to my producers.

00:22:05.300 They didn't ask us

00:22:07.160 and instead Huckabee

00:22:08.080 went out

00:22:08.480 and called me a liar.

00:22:11.260 So it raises,

00:22:12.600 again,

00:22:13.500 the question,

00:22:15.240 who exactly

00:22:16.220 is Huckabee

00:22:18.440 working for?

00:22:20.340 We're American citizens

00:22:21.640 in a foreign country.

00:22:22.640 He's our ambassador.

00:22:23.840 He represents

00:22:24.400 our country.

00:22:25.260 We pay his salary,

00:22:26.300 but he's taking

00:22:27.520 the side

00:22:28.160 of the foreign government

00:22:29.360 without even calling

00:22:31.020 to say,

00:22:31.420 hey,

00:22:31.640 what happened

00:22:32.100 to you at the airport?

00:22:33.100 Did you get hassled?

00:22:33.900 Did your guys get hassled?

00:22:35.000 No.

00:22:36.300 He just immediately

00:22:37.480 repeats their lies

00:22:39.560 without even consulting us.

00:22:42.880 So, like,

00:22:43.560 what are we looking at here?

00:22:45.660 We're looking at the reality,

00:22:47.320 which is,

00:22:48.760 if you're an American

00:22:49.680 in Israel,

00:22:50.900 you can be certain

00:22:52.080 that your government

00:22:53.540 will take the side

00:22:54.460 of the Israeli government

00:22:55.980 and not your side.

00:22:57.900 And really,

00:22:58.700 is that so different

00:22:59.580 from the experience

00:23:00.880 of Americans

00:23:01.780 in the United States?

00:23:03.720 Can you be sure

00:23:04.580 that your government

00:23:05.400 will take your side

00:23:06.560 over the Israeli government?

00:23:07.760 No, of course not.

00:23:08.340 They will always take

00:23:09.240 the Israeli government's side

00:23:10.320 over yours.

00:23:12.180 And that's the core problem.

00:23:14.360 Even if you support

00:23:16.980 a war with Iran,

00:23:19.140 I think we really,

00:23:19.940 the most pressing issue

00:23:20.840 for Americans

00:23:21.380 is that we kill

00:23:22.520 the Ayatollah

00:23:23.360 or whatever.

00:23:25.240 You still have

00:23:26.400 a fair expectation

00:23:27.520 that your government,

00:23:28.480 because it is yours,

00:23:30.240 you pay for it.

00:23:31.720 It exists to serve you

00:23:33.020 and for no other reason,

00:23:34.000 you have an expectation

00:23:34.600 that your government

00:23:35.680 will take your side

00:23:37.240 against a foreign government.

00:23:38.380 But the daily lived reality,

00:23:42.120 the obvious truth

00:23:43.240 visible to every single American

00:23:45.120 is that's the opposite

00:23:46.180 of reality.

00:23:48.900 In fact,

00:23:49.700 if you criticize Israel

00:23:51.560 in your country,

00:23:53.160 your government

00:23:54.240 will work to censor you.

00:23:55.920 If there's a standoff

00:23:57.300 between you and Bibi,

00:23:58.400 you know whose side

00:23:59.240 your government's going to take.

00:24:00.400 Bibi's side.

00:24:02.720 That is not sustainable.

00:24:05.720 That is too humiliating.

00:24:08.380 It's too clearly

00:24:09.760 an inversion

00:24:10.660 of the natural order.

00:24:12.420 Your government exists for you,

00:24:14.100 not for a foreign government.

00:24:16.580 But that's not

00:24:18.180 how we live

00:24:19.880 in this country

00:24:20.960 or in Israel.

00:24:21.940 So that's what we learned.

00:24:23.420 And one last thing.

00:24:25.900 The Israelis apparently

00:24:27.700 went,

00:24:30.000 probably with the help of

00:24:31.180 Mike Huckabee,

00:24:33.120 went to

00:24:34.200 the surveillance tape

00:24:35.560 inside the diplomatic terminal

00:24:37.400 and pulled some clip.

00:24:38.860 Of course,

00:24:39.460 getting all their

00:24:40.120 little bots online

00:24:41.580 to promote it

00:24:42.280 of me

00:24:42.960 with my arm around somebody

00:24:44.540 to show that

00:24:46.080 actually I'm lying

00:24:47.380 about what happened.

00:24:50.820 That person was our driver

00:24:52.360 who drove us from

00:24:53.660 the plane to the terminal,

00:24:55.440 a short drive.

00:24:56.680 Very nice guy.

00:24:57.600 Good guy.

00:24:57.960 Israeli guy.

00:24:58.960 And

00:24:59.140 right when we arrived

00:25:00.900 and he said,

00:25:01.520 could I get a picture?

00:25:02.480 Of course.

00:25:04.040 He's a nice man.

00:25:04.860 So I just put my arm around him,

00:25:05.980 took a picture.

00:25:07.140 That's what that is.

00:25:08.400 That was before the interview.

00:25:09.820 It was before

00:25:10.320 our producers

00:25:11.960 were hassled

00:25:12.580 by the thugs

00:25:13.300 and asked

00:25:14.720 ridiculous questions.

00:25:15.820 It was before

00:25:16.220 any of this happened.

00:25:17.160 So

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00:26:44.720 So with that,

00:26:45.780 here is our interview

00:26:47.580 with Ambassador Mike Huckabee.

00:26:51.140 I hope it's informative.

00:26:53.220 Ambassador,

00:26:53.620 thank you very much

00:26:54.620 for having us,

00:26:56.160 for inviting me.

00:26:57.340 I was grateful

00:26:57.900 to be invited.

00:26:58.700 Well, thank you.

00:26:59.080 I was grateful

00:26:59.940 because I don't like

00:27:00.740 all the name-calling.

00:27:03.520 I've engaged

00:27:04.040 in some of it.

00:27:04.800 I want to apologize

00:27:05.440 for that.

00:27:06.580 But in general,

00:27:07.900 I don't think people

00:27:08.480 should be going

00:27:09.460 immediately to motive

00:27:10.420 calling each other

00:27:11.300 Nazis or anti-Semites.

00:27:12.620 I said I hate

00:27:13.320 the Christian Zionists.

00:27:14.320 I lost control

00:27:15.400 of myself.

00:27:15.960 Of course,

00:27:16.240 I don't.

00:27:17.240 I've apologized for that.

00:27:18.520 I have problems

00:27:19.260 with my anger.

00:27:20.060 And so I just want

00:27:20.600 to apologize to you

00:27:21.260 since you are

00:27:21.560 a Christian Zionist.

00:27:22.740 You and I have known

00:27:23.520 each other for over 30 years.

00:27:25.320 Over 30 years!

00:27:26.140 That is totally true.

00:27:27.160 Back when you were

00:27:27.840 in Little Rock.

00:27:29.120 Yes.

00:27:29.840 I was at the newspaper

00:27:30.500 in Little Rock.

00:27:30.760 It's why I wanted us

00:27:31.360 to have a conversation,

00:27:32.440 talk to each other

00:27:33.480 and not about each other.

00:27:34.600 And I appreciate very much

00:27:36.120 your coming here to...

00:27:37.640 Of course.

00:27:38.120 And I'm only staying

00:27:38.780 a couple hours,

00:27:39.920 unfortunately,

00:27:40.840 because I kind of

00:27:41.820 shoehorned this in.

00:27:42.580 But I hope

00:27:43.240 that I'll be back soon

00:27:44.500 and I hope that I can

00:27:45.820 come back soon

00:27:46.480 because I want to...

00:27:47.780 I actually like,

00:27:48.680 despite what you may hear,

00:27:49.920 I actually like the country.

00:27:50.720 I've been here a lot

00:27:51.340 and there are a lot of things

00:27:53.040 I love about it.

00:27:54.160 And I want to talk

00:27:55.580 to people in it

00:27:56.340 for like a week.

00:27:57.660 Good.

00:27:58.080 And get a better sense of it.

00:28:00.060 So I want to ask you,

00:28:01.240 everyone I've talked to

00:28:02.480 in preparation for this

00:28:04.800 has said the same thing.

00:28:06.320 Jonathan Pollard?

00:28:07.680 Yeah.

00:28:07.780 I'm just going to show

00:28:09.820 the name to you

00:28:10.680 and have you explain.

00:28:11.460 No, I'm glad you asked.

00:28:12.600 You know,

00:28:12.800 interestingly,

00:28:13.720 there's been a lot

00:28:14.400 of things about it.

00:28:15.260 You're the first person

00:28:16.700 who has asked me about it,

00:28:18.900 which I find amazing.

00:28:20.300 So I'm glad you did.

00:28:21.160 Really?

00:28:21.640 Yeah.

00:28:21.960 The very first person.

00:28:22.660 Good.

00:28:22.860 Well, it's better

00:28:23.240 to like hear it.

00:28:24.600 Sure.

00:28:25.320 I met Jonathan Pollard

00:28:26.580 two times.

00:28:27.260 Once I was making

00:28:28.040 a speech in Jerusalem.

00:28:29.140 This has been

00:28:29.500 a few years ago.

00:28:30.300 His wife was still alive

00:28:31.380 at the time

00:28:31.920 and he was there

00:28:33.780 and someone introduced me

00:28:35.960 to him and his wife.

00:28:38.380 I said hello to them.

00:28:39.900 That was it.

00:28:40.900 Hi.

00:28:41.840 Nice to meet Esther,

00:28:43.000 his wife.

00:28:43.520 And that was it.

00:28:44.180 I went and made my speech

00:28:45.140 and I left.

00:28:47.440 Later,

00:28:48.000 his wife passed away

00:28:49.100 here in Israel

00:28:50.300 and I sent him a note

00:28:52.760 and just said,

00:28:53.480 I'm sorry to hear

00:28:53.980 about your wife.

00:28:54.660 I remember meeting her

00:28:55.480 at the hotel

00:28:56.020 and sorry to hear it.

00:28:58.320 He then asked,

00:28:59.820 could he come

00:29:00.520 and see me?

00:29:01.800 He wanted to come

00:29:02.460 and thank me

00:29:02.980 for being kind to him.

00:29:05.420 He came to the embassy.

00:29:07.140 I think we met

00:29:07.820 for maybe 30 minutes.

00:29:09.500 We had a nice,

00:29:10.340 pleasant visit.

00:29:12.240 The funny thing was

00:29:13.200 the New York Times

00:29:13.980 reported that it was

00:29:15.100 a secret meeting.

00:29:17.060 Tucker,

00:29:17.460 if you've ever been

00:29:18.240 to the U.S. Embassy,

00:29:19.200 you would know

00:29:19.640 there's no such thing

00:29:20.500 as a secret meeting

00:29:21.360 at the U.S. Embassy.

00:29:22.400 There are cameras everywhere.

00:29:23.800 You walk through Marines,

00:29:24.820 you walk through security,

00:29:25.980 you walk through the front office

00:29:27.220 and there's a dozen

00:29:27.940 or more people

00:29:28.700 that are going to

00:29:29.660 check you out

00:29:31.280 when you come.

00:29:31.900 And before you get there,

00:29:32.820 you're going to have to

00:29:33.520 give us your passport information.

00:29:35.040 You're going to have to

00:29:35.840 be vetted and screened

00:29:37.300 and all of this stuff.

00:29:38.100 So the idea that it was secret

00:29:39.240 was ludicrous.

00:29:40.560 The whole idea is,

00:29:41.700 look,

00:29:41.860 Jonathan Pollard

00:29:42.500 did something

00:29:42.980 that was terribly wrong.

00:29:45.720 He sold secrets.

00:29:47.720 He shouldn't have done it.

00:29:49.360 He was sentenced

00:29:50.700 to 30 years in prison

00:29:52.180 and spent 30,

00:29:53.420 actually he was,

00:29:54.300 I think,

00:29:54.860 yeah,

00:29:55.140 I think he was sentenced

00:29:56.340 to maybe more

00:29:57.040 than 30 years,

00:29:57.700 but he spent 30 years

00:29:58.580 in prison.

00:29:59.860 Most people convicted

00:30:00.980 of something similar,

00:30:02.680 which was one count,

00:30:04.080 I believe,

00:30:04.420 would have spent

00:30:04.900 two to four,

00:30:05.600 but he spent 30.

00:30:06.940 I don't have a problem

00:30:07.860 with him spending 30

00:30:08.700 because I think

00:30:09.540 what he did

00:30:09.960 was despicable.

00:30:11.100 I'm not defending

00:30:11.760 anything about

00:30:13.020 what he did,

00:30:13.940 but even people

00:30:15.680 like the former

00:30:16.560 director of the CIA,

00:30:19.160 a number of other

00:30:20.900 senators on the Senate

00:30:21.900 Foreign Relations

00:30:22.640 of the Senate

00:30:23.180 Intel Committee

00:30:24.000 said that he should

00:30:26.580 be allowed to leave

00:30:28.040 and move to Israel

00:30:29.080 if he wanted to.

00:30:30.840 So it,

00:30:31.440 to me,

00:30:31.720 was not as big a deal

00:30:33.440 that I had this

00:30:34.660 basically courtesy meeting.

00:30:36.960 He wanted to thank me

00:30:38.160 for being nice to him

00:30:39.340 when his wife died.

00:30:40.500 That's pretty much

00:30:41.220 the story.

00:30:41.380 You advocated

00:30:42.180 for his release

00:30:43.180 when you ran for,

00:30:43.780 I remember it,

00:30:44.540 in 2011,

00:30:46.240 long before he had

00:30:47.180 served 30 years.

00:30:48.760 And I agree with you

00:30:50.180 that there are a lot

00:30:50.740 of people languishing

00:30:51.500 in prison,

00:30:52.260 you know,

00:30:53.040 in our country

00:30:53.480 and in this country

00:30:54.260 and many countries,

00:30:55.500 you know,

00:30:56.080 for longer periods

00:30:56.740 than they deserve.

00:30:57.520 And I think it's

00:30:58.180 a Christian impulse

00:30:59.020 to want to see them free.

00:31:01.620 But this was

00:31:02.860 the greatest traitor

00:31:04.380 in modern American history

00:31:05.880 who sold

00:31:06.680 our battle plans,

00:31:07.880 sold our battle plans

00:31:09.380 against the Soviet Union,

00:31:10.680 our main enemy

00:31:11.160 in the Cold War,

00:31:12.280 to the Israeli government,

00:31:14.620 which according to

00:31:15.300 our Reagan CIA director,

00:31:17.080 Bill Casey,

00:31:18.240 then gave them

00:31:19.100 to the Soviet Union.

00:31:20.360 So this was

00:31:21.500 the most profound

00:31:22.320 betrayal

00:31:22.860 of the United States

00:31:24.660 in my lifetime.

00:31:26.520 Why advocate

00:31:27.380 for that guy's release

00:31:28.520 before he serves

00:31:29.380 his full sentence?

00:31:31.460 If that were the case

00:31:33.800 in 2011,

00:31:35.080 it would have been

00:31:35.760 because I had

00:31:36.420 a number of friends

00:31:37.260 that suggested

00:31:38.400 that he had more

00:31:39.200 than served time

00:31:40.500 and he didn't want

00:31:41.140 to live in the U.S. anymore.

00:31:42.460 He wanted to live

00:31:43.260 in Israel.

00:31:44.700 But my association

00:31:46.200 with him,

00:31:46.740 again,

00:31:46.980 I had never met him

00:31:47.720 until I met him

00:31:48.860 in Jerusalem

00:31:49.660 at a hotel.

00:31:50.580 That was the first time

00:31:51.280 I had ever encountered him.

00:31:53.100 I'm friends

00:31:53.540 with a million bad people

00:31:55.220 or I've talked

00:31:56.160 to a million bad people.

00:31:57.020 I'm sitting here with you.

00:31:58.440 I mean, come on.

00:31:59.880 I mean,

00:32:00.260 she's a saint

00:32:00.800 with tax collectors.

00:32:01.840 So trust me,

00:32:03.100 I do not judge

00:32:04.360 people who are friends

00:32:05.840 or know

00:32:06.660 or enjoy

00:32:07.460 the company

00:32:08.300 of immoral people

00:32:09.280 because it's not

00:32:10.260 an endorsement

00:32:10.820 of their moral behavior.

00:32:13.260 Pollard is different,

00:32:15.020 I think,

00:32:15.600 once you become

00:32:16.160 a U.S. ambassador,

00:32:17.040 the representative

00:32:17.800 of the president

00:32:18.440 of the United States

00:32:19.300 and the United States

00:32:20.700 of America

00:32:21.180 in a foreign country

00:32:22.240 and then you invite

00:32:23.280 not only

00:32:24.800 the most damaging

00:32:26.160 betrayer

00:32:27.540 in our lifetimes

00:32:28.780 but also a guy

00:32:29.660 who continues

00:32:30.300 to advocate

00:32:30.940 for betrayal.

00:32:31.840 So he gave an interview,

00:32:32.880 as I know you know,

00:32:34.300 in 2021

00:32:35.220 to Israeli media

00:32:36.380 in which he said,

00:32:37.080 I would encourage

00:32:38.200 Jewish Americans

00:32:39.580 with security clearances

00:32:40.800 to spy for Mossad

00:32:42.780 against their own country,

00:32:44.160 the United States,

00:32:44.920 because,

00:32:45.420 and I'm pretty much

00:32:46.080 quoting him,

00:32:46.880 all Jews should

00:32:47.740 have dual loyalty.

00:32:50.020 That's a,

00:32:51.060 I mean,

00:32:51.620 that's not repentance.

00:32:52.640 That's not someone

00:32:53.300 who feels bad

00:32:53.960 about what he did.

00:32:54.600 That's someone

00:32:54.900 who's encouraging

00:32:55.700 American Jews

00:32:57.020 to betray their country.

00:32:59.220 That's pretty heavy,

00:33:00.300 don't you think?

00:33:01.020 Oh, I do.

00:33:01.680 And I disagree

00:33:02.820 with that wholeheartedly.

00:33:04.260 I think,

00:33:04.840 let's remember,

00:33:05.440 it was President Trump

00:33:06.340 who probably facilitated

00:33:08.060 his departure.

00:33:10.180 And I'm certainly

00:33:12.560 supportive of President Trump.

00:33:13.820 I think you are.

00:33:15.640 Pollard's not.

00:33:16.180 He called him a madman

00:33:17.120 after your meeting.

00:33:18.220 That's why I say,

00:33:18.940 Pollard is not,

00:33:20.440 for me,

00:33:20.880 the real issue.

00:33:21.700 It was the fact

00:33:23.080 that he did something

00:33:24.860 that was despicable.

00:33:25.800 I'm not denying that.

00:33:27.220 Of course he did.

00:33:28.480 And he paid dearly

00:33:29.520 for it,

00:33:29.840 30 years in prison,

00:33:30.820 and he should have.

00:33:31.580 That's what he should have done.

00:33:32.900 No question about that.

00:33:34.420 But why meet with him

00:33:35.340 in the U.S. Embassy?

00:33:36.440 Your colleagues

00:33:36.960 said they were shocked.

00:33:38.160 They said...

00:33:38.920 Who were the colleagues

00:33:39.820 that said they were shocked?

00:33:40.980 Quoted on background

00:33:41.820 in the New York Times.

00:33:42.660 I think the meeting

00:33:43.460 was in August.

00:33:45.720 This could all be fake.

00:33:46.600 That's why I'm asking you.

00:33:47.580 Well,

00:33:48.220 the same New York Times

00:33:49.480 said it was a secret meeting.

00:33:51.140 And I'm telling you,

00:33:51.740 there's no such thing

00:33:52.540 as a secret meeting

00:33:53.300 in the U.S. Embassy.

00:33:53.960 Do you see why

00:33:54.840 the U.S. ambassador

00:33:56.000 hosting a convicted betrayer

00:33:58.200 of his own country

00:33:58.940 who's encouraging Americans

00:34:00.260 to continue to betray

00:34:01.360 their country

00:34:01.920 would seem shocking?

00:34:03.960 Well,

00:34:04.460 I would say

00:34:05.200 that it wasn't that I...

00:34:06.940 You make it sound

00:34:07.800 like I'm hosting a meeting.

00:34:09.040 I simply met with him.

00:34:10.600 I meet with people

00:34:11.480 all the time.

00:34:12.240 They can just walk in

00:34:13.200 without a...

00:34:13.800 No,

00:34:14.140 they have to have

00:34:14.640 an appointment.

00:34:15.200 Of course they do.

00:34:15.960 Oh,

00:34:16.200 so it is hosting him then,

00:34:17.260 I think.

00:34:17.700 Well,

00:34:17.880 I don't know

00:34:18.200 if it was hosting,

00:34:19.160 but it was certainly...

00:34:20.460 He was able

00:34:22.040 to come to the U.S. Embassy

00:34:23.060 to have a meeting

00:34:23.720 at his request.

00:34:25.160 I did.

00:34:26.400 And frankly,

00:34:27.180 I don't regret it.

00:34:28.180 I met with a lot of people

00:34:29.660 over the course

00:34:30.240 of the time

00:34:30.780 I've been here

00:34:31.320 and we'll meet

00:34:31.860 with a lot more.

00:34:35.180 That's it.

00:34:35.700 So if you spend

00:34:37.180 the evening

00:34:38.200 at my house,

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00:34:39.720 to find yourself

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00:35:39.220 slash Tucker.

00:35:40.400 It's the best.

00:35:41.520 There have been

00:35:42.320 Americans in prison

00:35:44.080 in Israel.

00:35:45.140 There have also been

00:35:46.320 and there continue

00:35:47.280 to be dozens

00:35:48.060 and dozens

00:35:48.560 and dozens

00:35:49.160 of sex offenders,

00:35:51.200 accused sex offenders

00:35:52.060 from the United States

00:35:52.780 who fled to Israel,

00:35:54.120 including one recently

00:35:55.120 an Israeli government official

00:35:56.480 who was caught

00:35:57.600 trying to molest

00:35:58.380 a 15-year-old girl

00:35:59.300 and fled.

00:36:02.260 to Israel

00:36:03.200 and is not going

00:36:03.920 back to the United States

00:36:04.680 to stand charges

00:36:05.420 for attempted molestation

00:36:06.480 of a child.

00:36:07.960 Have you advocated

00:36:08.900 for the Israeli government

00:36:10.560 to return him

00:36:11.620 to the United States?

00:36:12.140 I'm not familiar

00:36:12.780 with that case.

00:36:13.780 It has not come

00:36:14.560 to us at the embassy.

00:36:16.280 So I'm not aware.

00:36:17.900 Is this the person

00:36:18.540 in Nevada?

00:36:19.400 That is correct.

00:36:20.100 Okay, I heard about it.

00:36:20.940 In Clark County,

00:36:21.300 I would imagine so.

00:36:22.180 Yeah, I heard about it,

00:36:23.000 but I heard about it

00:36:23.580 through open source media.

00:36:24.860 It was never something

00:36:25.620 that was presented to us,

00:36:26.720 but I would have

00:36:27.760 no problem

00:36:28.260 with him being

00:36:29.940 extradited back

00:36:30.880 to the U.S.

00:36:31.860 You're the president's

00:36:33.160 and our country's

00:36:33.960 representative

00:36:34.400 in the state of Israel,

00:36:35.380 so I think it would

00:36:36.200 fall to you

00:36:36.820 to advocate

00:36:37.420 with your friend

00:36:38.160 the prime minister

00:36:38.760 to say,

00:36:39.460 wait a second,

00:36:40.000 we have a very close

00:36:40.760 relationship.

00:36:42.200 We're obviously

00:36:43.080 the single largest

00:36:44.420 source of outside funding

00:36:45.300 for this country.

00:36:47.600 How can you

00:36:48.860 take an accused

00:36:49.820 child molester

00:36:50.380 and shield him

00:36:51.040 from American justice,

00:36:52.780 send him back

00:36:53.440 to the United States?

00:36:54.240 Have you ever

00:36:54.640 had that conversation?

00:36:56.120 No, because the prime minister

00:36:57.240 would not be

00:36:57.760 the proper person

00:36:59.260 in Israel

00:37:00.420 that would deal

00:37:01.880 with an extradition.

00:37:03.500 It would go

00:37:03.860 through their

00:37:04.340 court system,

00:37:06.080 and so the prime minister

00:37:06.840 is separate,

00:37:07.600 very similar

00:37:08.300 to what we have

00:37:08.820 in the U.S.,

00:37:09.320 where there is

00:37:09.900 a separation of powers,

00:37:11.060 so it would go

00:37:11.760 through something

00:37:13.100 other than

00:37:13.800 the prime minister.

00:37:15.100 Have you advocated

00:37:15.860 to the courts,

00:37:17.060 to judges,

00:37:18.000 to anybody

00:37:18.680 in the Israeli

00:37:19.260 justice system?

00:37:20.140 There has never

00:37:20.740 been a request

00:37:21.400 for me to engage

00:37:22.480 in that.

00:37:23.040 I would be happy

00:37:23.880 to do it.

00:37:24.240 if the White House

00:37:25.740 sent a message

00:37:26.940 to me,

00:37:27.680 I do work

00:37:28.220 for the president,

00:37:29.200 I serve it

00:37:29.760 as pleasure,

00:37:30.500 if anyone

00:37:31.400 at the White House

00:37:32.100 were to say to me,

00:37:33.140 would you please

00:37:33.940 go and make

00:37:34.940 a case for it?

00:37:35.680 But probably,

00:37:36.540 if that were

00:37:36.940 to happen,

00:37:37.740 it wouldn't come

00:37:38.500 through the embassy

00:37:39.240 as much as it

00:37:40.060 would likely come

00:37:40.760 from the Department

00:37:41.640 of Justice

00:37:42.160 at the U.S.

00:37:43.580 in D.C.,

00:37:44.340 they would make

00:37:44.960 the request.

00:37:45.920 They might involve us,

00:37:47.180 but they very likely

00:37:47.980 would not.

00:37:48.980 Does it seem

00:37:49.520 strange to you

00:37:50.460 that people accused

00:37:51.800 of child molestation

00:37:53.460 in the United States

00:37:54.380 are allowed

00:37:55.520 to have refuge

00:37:58.480 within the borders

00:38:00.100 of our closest ally?

00:38:02.280 That doesn't make

00:38:03.200 sense to me.

00:38:04.380 Well,

00:38:04.700 I would say that

00:38:05.660 if you've molested

00:38:06.560 an American child,

00:38:07.700 shouldn't you be required

00:38:08.560 to stand justice?

00:38:09.160 It's an allegation.

00:38:10.340 Let's be clear.

00:38:11.240 One of the things

00:38:11.880 about our system

00:38:12.660 of jurisprudence,

00:38:13.520 you're innocent

00:38:13.880 until you're proven

00:38:14.700 guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:38:16.460 So if the charges

00:38:17.520 are there,

00:38:18.340 should he be extradited?

00:38:20.020 I would say so.

00:38:20.960 The charges are there.

00:38:21.880 Yeah, okay.

00:38:22.580 So they should be.

00:38:24.000 But that's a Justice Department

00:38:25.280 decision,

00:38:25.960 and they're the ones

00:38:26.660 who should be pursuing it.

00:38:28.120 To my knowledge,

00:38:28.900 they haven't.

00:38:29.320 They certainly haven't

00:38:30.060 engaged the U.S. Embassy over.

00:38:31.360 Why would the Israeli government

00:38:32.520 harbor fugitives

00:38:34.620 from justice

00:38:35.320 in the United States?

00:38:36.560 I'm not sure that...

00:38:38.080 There are dozens

00:38:38.680 and dozens

00:38:39.320 and dozens.

00:38:39.960 In fact,

00:38:40.460 there's an Israeli group

00:38:41.840 that keeps track of them

00:38:43.140 that is dedicated,

00:38:45.020 Jewish-Israeli group

00:38:45.980 dedicated to combating

00:38:47.280 the molestation of children

00:38:48.460 and keeps a long list.

00:38:49.640 And you can look it up

00:38:50.580 and I wouldn't...

00:38:51.080 Tucker, I hope you're not saying

00:38:51.900 that you think the Israelis

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00:38:55.480 Obviously, I'm not saying that.

00:38:56.700 I'm saying that

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00:38:58.160 allows shields.

00:39:00.720 Yeah.

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00:39:06.660 I don't know.

00:39:07.680 But I am not aware

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00:40:53.240 Food Tucker.

00:40:54.060 Well, they are

00:40:55.260 and I'll give you a per,

00:40:56.700 and I just want to make sure

00:40:57.460 that I pronounce this,

00:40:58.540 this man's name correctly.

00:41:00.060 It's Tom, I believe,

00:41:01.840 Alexandrovich?

00:41:03.560 I think that's right

00:41:04.660 and I've written it down

00:41:05.580 but of course my handwriting

00:41:06.420 is so terrible

00:41:06.920 I can't read it.

00:41:10.040 But yes,

00:41:11.480 he is an Israeli,

00:41:12.980 I believe,

00:41:14.200 cyber security official

00:41:15.980 who was at a conference

00:41:17.180 in Las Vegas last year

00:41:18.880 and was caught up

00:41:19.920 in a sting

00:41:20.900 designed to catch people

00:41:23.860 soliciting sex

00:41:24.640 from children.

00:41:25.440 He was one of a number

00:41:26.280 of people arrested for this.

00:41:27.700 He was arraigned

00:41:28.340 and charged

00:41:29.240 and then two days later

00:41:31.160 he fled to Israel

00:41:32.260 and did his first hearing

00:41:33.560 by Zoom.

00:41:34.780 He was allowed

00:41:35.380 for some reason

00:41:36.040 to leave

00:41:36.620 for a foreign country

00:41:37.680 having already been charged

00:41:39.100 for an attempted

00:41:40.220 molestation of a child

00:41:41.320 and he remains here now

00:41:43.580 and there have been

00:41:45.160 many news stories

00:41:45.840 about this

00:41:46.420 and I just wonder

00:41:47.420 if you would ask

00:41:48.520 the Israeli government

00:41:50.060 to put him on a plane

00:41:52.560 and send him back

00:41:53.960 to face justice

00:41:54.900 for attempting

00:41:55.520 to molest

00:41:56.100 an American child.

00:41:57.020 It doesn't seem complicated.

00:41:58.960 No, I wouldn't mind

00:41:59.740 doing that

00:42:00.340 but I want to find out

00:42:01.480 if the Justice Department

00:42:02.520 of the U.S.

00:42:03.100 has already sought

00:42:04.480 to extradite him.

00:42:05.480 Is there anything

00:42:06.000 in process?

00:42:06.700 I don't know.

00:42:07.380 Why wouldn't they

00:42:07.960 seek to extradite him?

00:42:08.940 I have no idea.

00:42:09.440 That's a question

00:42:10.060 for the Justice Department.

00:42:11.660 I have many questions

00:42:12.460 for the Justice Department

00:42:13.440 like why are millions

00:42:15.340 of Epstein files

00:42:16.480 still classified?

00:42:17.960 Why do you think that is?

00:42:18.820 I have no idea.

00:42:19.860 I haven't kept up with that.

00:42:21.400 I've never met the man.

00:42:22.560 I don't know him.

00:42:23.660 You haven't kept up

00:42:24.260 with the Epstein disclosures?

00:42:25.160 I mean only from a distance.

00:42:26.360 I'm 6,000 miles away

00:42:27.680 from D.C. these days

00:42:28.760 and I'm pretty sure

00:42:30.340 that there's so much going on.

00:42:32.480 The current president

00:42:33.100 of Israel, current president

00:42:34.460 who I know you know

00:42:35.300 President Herzog

00:42:36.060 apparently was at Pedo Island.

00:42:38.980 That's what it says

00:42:39.660 in the disclosures

00:42:40.660 and of course we know

00:42:41.660 that the former

00:42:42.060 Prime Minister Ehud Barak

00:42:43.220 was living on and off

00:42:45.040 at Epstein's house

00:42:45.820 so still living

00:42:48.260 high level Israeli officials

00:42:51.120 are directly implicated

00:42:52.700 in Epstein's life

00:42:55.420 if not his crime

00:42:56.340 so I would think

00:42:57.020 that you'd be following this.

00:42:58.880 Only I was not aware

00:43:00.640 that there was any connection

00:43:01.940 with President Herzog.

00:43:02.860 I would be surprised

00:43:03.680 to hear that

00:43:04.080 and I knew there was

00:43:04.760 about the former

00:43:07.360 Prime Minister

00:43:08.000 who apparently had

00:43:09.420 a lot of dealings

00:43:11.340 with Epstein.

00:43:11.940 Business dealings

00:43:12.800 and by the way

00:43:13.620 I'm not alleging anything

00:43:15.360 but I mean it's

00:43:16.260 in yes

00:43:17.840 in the Epstein files

00:43:18.720 and I don't know

00:43:20.260 that I've heard

00:43:20.860 the current president

00:43:21.680 of Israel respond to it

00:43:23.000 but he is listed

00:43:23.980 as a visitor

00:43:24.720 to Pedo Island

00:43:25.660 so that's kind of

00:43:26.800 a big deal.

00:43:28.240 I wonder

00:43:28.860 considering there are

00:43:31.200 so many suggestions

00:43:32.880 in the files

00:43:33.540 as I'm sure you know

00:43:34.400 of sexual abuse

00:43:36.660 and given that

00:43:37.600 Jeffrey Epstein

00:43:38.180 was a convicted

00:43:39.380 sex offender

00:43:40.060 I wonder why

00:43:42.400 the administration

00:43:43.160 you work for

00:43:43.920 would be holding

00:43:44.720 millions of files

00:43:46.880 which I believe

00:43:47.420 belong to the public

00:43:48.360 hidden

00:43:49.460 for quote

00:43:50.140 national security reasons.

00:43:51.320 What would those

00:43:51.820 national security reasons

00:43:52.780 be do you think?

00:43:53.920 Honestly I think

00:43:54.620 you've probably got

00:43:55.240 more access

00:43:55.720 to the White House

00:43:56.440 sometimes than I do

00:43:57.500 you should ask them.

00:43:59.940 But you're the

00:44:00.580 government official

00:44:01.160 representing that

00:44:01.800 White House.

00:44:03.000 In Israel

00:44:03.720 and I represent

00:44:05.380 the U.S.

00:44:06.320 in Israel

00:44:06.840 to the Israeli government

00:44:08.180 from the U.S.

00:44:09.040 government

00:44:09.300 but honestly

00:44:10.540 nobody has presented

00:44:12.300 that to us.

00:44:13.140 We have a pretty

00:44:13.740 dynamic situation here

00:44:15.260 I don't know

00:44:15.620 if you know that or not

00:44:16.420 but there's a lot

00:44:17.560 going on in this

00:44:18.360 part of the world

00:44:18.980 and frankly

00:44:20.000 that has not been

00:44:21.480 top

00:44:22.580 line item.

00:44:24.840 But you're surprised

00:44:25.480 to hear that the

00:44:26.040 current president

00:44:26.700 of Israel

00:44:27.220 whom you know

00:44:28.080 is listed as a visitor

00:44:29.220 to Petto Island.

00:44:30.020 Had never heard that.

00:44:31.020 Never heard it

00:44:31.500 even in the Israeli press.

00:44:33.120 Are you going to ask him

00:44:33.880 next time you see him?

00:44:34.620 I'll be happy to.

00:44:35.540 Talk to him

00:44:35.980 almost every week.

00:44:37.800 I guess what I'm asking

00:44:38.980 is not simply

00:44:40.080 as a representative

00:44:41.180 of my government

00:44:42.080 or a high U.S. official

00:44:43.300 but just as like

00:44:44.000 a man and a father

00:44:44.900 and a Christian

00:44:45.520 how could you resist

00:44:48.140 saying like

00:44:48.660 were you on Petto Island

00:44:49.620 with Jeffrey Epstein?

00:44:50.820 Well if I'm not aware

00:44:51.940 of it and secondly

00:44:52.680 there are a lot

00:44:54.600 of things that go

00:44:55.340 on in the world.

00:44:55.960 I don't question

00:44:56.580 every single person

00:44:57.680 about every single thing

00:44:58.900 that may be alleged

00:44:59.660 of a country.

00:45:00.740 I understand all that

00:45:01.620 but this is the first

00:45:03.040 I've ever heard of this

00:45:03.840 so why do you expect

00:45:05.440 me to have knowledge

00:45:07.200 of something like that?

00:45:08.780 Well because you

00:45:09.700 attacked me

00:45:10.500 personally

00:45:11.220 for suggesting

00:45:12.520 that Jeffrey Epstein

00:45:13.660 had ties to Mossad

00:45:14.820 and you said that

00:45:15.460 You think he does?

00:45:16.600 What's very clear

00:45:17.520 he does from the files.

00:45:18.000 You think he does?

00:45:19.380 Where do you get that?

00:45:21.260 Well the fact

00:45:21.740 that he was in contact

00:45:22.940 repeatedly with

00:45:23.960 members of the Israeli

00:45:24.980 government

00:45:25.300 including the current

00:45:26.360 president and the

00:45:27.100 former prime minister

00:45:27.800 and all kinds of

00:45:28.980 Israeli intel

00:45:30.300 connected people

00:45:31.040 I'm not saying

00:45:31.680 he worked for Mossad

00:45:32.420 I don't think

00:45:33.160 we know that

00:45:34.520 but there's no question

00:45:35.720 that he had

00:45:36.100 extensive contact

00:45:37.040 with CIA.

00:45:37.900 I think you said

00:45:38.420 a turning point event

00:45:40.560 everybody knows

00:45:41.860 Jeffrey Epstein.

00:45:42.980 I said everyone thinks

00:45:43.800 and it turns out

00:45:44.560 everyone was right

00:45:45.260 that he did have

00:45:46.120 I'm not sure

00:45:46.460 everyone was right

00:45:47.340 or everyone thinks.

00:45:48.780 Okay but

00:45:49.120 you said that

00:45:50.160 I was lying

00:45:50.800 and I don't want

00:45:51.380 to make this about me.

00:45:52.340 I don't think I said

00:45:52.660 you were lying Tucker

00:45:53.440 I don't recall.

00:45:54.100 I'm just saying

00:45:54.700 why don't we

00:45:56.480 release all the files

00:45:58.120 and then we don't

00:45:59.260 need to guess.

00:46:00.020 I got no problem

00:46:00.720 with that.

00:46:01.240 Go ahead.

00:46:01.460 Would you call on it

00:46:02.560 well because you

00:46:03.480 weighed in on it

00:46:04.240 and said that

00:46:04.900 this was not true

00:46:06.000 when of course

00:46:06.560 I said there was

00:46:06.900 no evidence.

00:46:08.480 Well there's

00:46:08.840 quite a bit of evidence

00:46:10.140 but you haven't

00:46:11.140 apparently bothered

00:46:11.920 to read any of the files

00:46:13.040 is that what you're saying?

00:46:13.900 I have not read

00:46:16.420 the Epstein files

00:46:18.160 apparently you have.

00:46:19.740 Well they're on the internet

00:46:20.380 but when you say

00:46:21.360 that there's

00:46:22.240 that everybody knows

00:46:23.620 that Jeffrey Epstein

00:46:24.480 was a Mossade

00:46:25.160 is that everyone

00:46:25.640 believes that?

00:46:26.500 I don't think

00:46:27.000 everybody does.

00:46:28.080 I don't know.

00:46:28.820 Well everyone knows

00:46:29.640 that he had contact

00:46:30.720 with and by the way

00:46:32.120 not just

00:46:33.080 Israeli intelligence

00:46:34.740 American intelligence

00:46:35.840 which is much more

00:46:37.060 distressing for me.

00:46:37.880 I'm not Israeli

00:46:38.440 I'm American

00:46:38.980 I don't want my government

00:46:40.020 having any contact

00:46:41.140 with someone like

00:46:41.780 Jeffrey Epstein

00:46:42.340 so the shame

00:46:42.900 I wouldn't either

00:46:43.460 is on the United States

00:46:44.360 as far as I'm concerned

00:46:45.220 just to be totally

00:46:45.920 clear about that.

00:46:47.720 Everyone's very sensitive

00:46:48.640 about the Israel connection

00:46:49.680 not at all sensitive

00:46:50.440 about the U.S. connection

00:46:51.380 which I find very revealing.

00:46:53.380 We should care about

00:46:54.080 what our government

00:46:54.700 does first I think.

00:46:56.620 But since you weighed in

00:46:58.120 on it and said

00:46:59.380 there's no evidence

00:47:00.660 I'm surprised

00:47:02.280 that since that evidence

00:47:03.360 has been

00:47:03.980 open to the public

00:47:05.660 for a month

00:47:06.340 since you've already

00:47:07.060 weighed in publicly

00:47:07.820 on this question

00:47:08.660 that you've made

00:47:10.380 no effort

00:47:10.920 to evaluate

00:47:12.860 that evidence

00:47:13.480 why is that?

00:47:14.700 I just told you

00:47:15.400 I was

00:47:15.740 certainly not aware

00:47:17.260 that there were

00:47:17.700 some specific

00:47:18.400 allegations

00:47:19.340 I knew about

00:47:20.120 the former prime minister

00:47:21.120 but I don't know him

00:47:23.320 I'm not sure

00:47:24.820 I ever met him

00:47:25.500 in my many times

00:47:26.520 you know

00:47:26.720 I've been to Israel

00:47:27.460 over a hundred times

00:47:28.400 since 1973

00:47:29.400 the first time I came here

00:47:30.560 was 1973

00:47:32.060 July

00:47:32.740 and

00:47:33.900 that's almost

00:47:34.860 53 years

00:47:35.720 of coming and going

00:47:36.820 to this country

00:47:37.700 so I know the country

00:47:39.120 well I know a lot

00:47:39.800 of people here

00:47:40.440 but I don't know

00:47:41.780 everything

00:47:42.140 and I don't know

00:47:43.100 everybody

00:47:43.580 but I do a lot

00:47:44.640 of people

00:47:45.000 of course

00:47:45.660 no and I

00:47:46.600 and I can see

00:47:47.600 your love for it

00:47:48.460 and I

00:47:48.740 I think that's great

00:47:50.080 I but I'm talking

00:47:50.920 about the US

00:47:51.560 government

00:47:52.020 and its responsibility

00:47:53.200 to you know

00:47:54.980 there's a lot of

00:47:55.340 complaint about

00:47:55.920 conspiracy theories

00:47:56.900 and everyone

00:47:57.580 you know

00:47:58.140 he's a hater

00:47:59.060 everyone's

00:48:00.140 assigning motive

00:48:01.060 but there's a way

00:48:02.680 to end these

00:48:03.240 conversations

00:48:03.860 very quickly

00:48:04.780 with facts

00:48:05.500 and I'm highly

00:48:07.420 confused

00:48:08.140 by

00:48:09.840 have you brought

00:48:10.580 this up to the

00:48:11.160 president

00:48:11.500 I mean no

00:48:14.100 I don't

00:48:14.440 I don't work for him

00:48:15.160 I've said this many times

00:48:15.900 I know you don't work for him

00:48:16.580 but you

00:48:16.880 you go to the White House

00:48:18.140 and you see people there

00:48:19.460 you and J.D. Vance

00:48:20.720 are very good friends

00:48:21.480 so have you brought

00:48:22.580 this up to them

00:48:23.220 because

00:48:23.440 I have brought this up

00:48:24.440 in a public

00:48:24.920 many times

00:48:25.480 it's not on my portfolio

00:48:26.080 but apparently

00:48:26.720 it's highly

00:48:27.560 very strongly

00:48:29.340 on your mind

00:48:30.580 and I'm just thinking

00:48:31.480 you should deal with

00:48:32.180 it's a significant

00:48:32.620 concern for me

00:48:33.480 it should be for everybody

00:48:34.740 well there's an

00:48:36.020 accused

00:48:36.420 there is a

00:48:37.100 charged child molester

00:48:38.460 but I'm saying

00:48:38.920 if you are very involved

00:48:40.700 in the details of this

00:48:42.520 I'm not

00:48:43.420 and you think

00:48:44.020 it's the U.S. government

00:48:45.000 that's hiding

00:48:45.700 and shielding somebody

00:48:46.540 then bring it up

00:48:47.200 to the people

00:48:47.660 that you personally know

00:48:48.020 I don't think that

00:48:49.420 I know it

00:48:50.020 because the Justice Department

00:48:51.540 has said

00:48:52.280 we have millions

00:48:53.360 of documents

00:48:53.920 we're not releasing

00:48:54.820 why are they not releasing

00:48:55.900 I'm asking you

00:48:57.340 as a U.S. government official

00:48:58.380 well but

00:48:59.180 what the answer might be

00:48:59.920 a government official

00:49:00.580 at the embassy

00:49:01.920 in Jerusalem

00:49:03.280 that has not

00:49:04.760 one thing to do

00:49:05.680 with the Justice Department

00:49:06.740 and what they're

00:49:07.880 investigating on any

00:49:08.820 given day

00:49:09.300 unless it involves

00:49:10.380 and I don't want to

00:49:11.080 argue or talk in circles

00:49:12.620 but you were the one

00:49:14.320 who brought it up

00:49:15.180 and said it's absolutely

00:49:16.280 not true

00:49:17.100 I was only

00:49:17.960 responding to

00:49:19.280 what I've

00:49:20.120 heard you say

00:49:21.780 okay but now

00:49:22.560 that you know

00:49:22.940 there's evidence

00:49:23.580 and we can settle

00:49:24.340 this debate

00:49:24.840 you haven't looked

00:49:25.460 at the evidence

00:49:26.100 and you're not pushing

00:49:27.320 for the release

00:49:28.040 of the total corpus

00:49:29.220 of evidence

00:49:29.760 and I'm confused

00:49:31.260 because I want

00:49:32.900 to believe

00:49:33.320 that your goal

00:49:33.900 is to get to the truth

00:49:34.940 and the fastest way

00:49:35.780 to do that

00:49:36.420 is by releasing

00:49:37.180 the evidence

00:49:37.880 don't you think

00:49:38.780 you suggest that

00:49:39.480 I can release

00:49:40.120 the evidence

00:49:40.680 I'm suggesting

00:49:41.300 you could call

00:49:41.820 for it right now

00:49:42.640 well I

00:49:43.340 fine

00:49:44.040 call for it

00:49:44.860 let's have it all open

00:49:46.280 I thought it was

00:49:46.960 being all opened up

00:49:48.020 for everything

00:49:49.020 once it's open

00:49:49.800 I hope you'll read it

00:49:50.660 because it's

00:49:51.260 really interesting

00:49:53.000 and then it puts

00:49:53.680 to rest

00:49:54.180 a lot of the

00:49:55.900 debate

00:49:56.860 and it ends

00:49:57.580 the name calling

00:49:58.220 because we can say

00:49:59.040 here it is right there

00:49:59.980 and we don't have

00:50:01.180 to call people names

00:50:01.960 we can just assess

00:50:02.900 the documents

00:50:04.100 let me ask you

00:50:05.540 would you bring it up

00:50:06.200 I hope you will

00:50:06.860 bring it up

00:50:07.320 to people

00:50:07.920 at the White House

00:50:08.540 oh I've brought

00:50:09.260 I'm bringing it up

00:50:10.540 right now

00:50:11.160 I'm bringing it up

00:50:12.020 now

00:50:12.360 and I'm asking

00:50:13.720 I just want to say

00:50:14.380 this one last time

00:50:15.140 as the U.S. ambassador

00:50:16.380 to Israel

00:50:17.160 I hope that you

00:50:18.960 will make

00:50:19.640 a formal request

00:50:20.840 to the Israeli government

00:50:22.080 to send

00:50:23.520 every accused

00:50:25.060 sex offender

00:50:26.020 in this country

00:50:27.860 back to the United States

00:50:29.020 to face justice

00:50:30.320 and I don't understand

00:50:31.980 why that hasn't been done

00:50:33.060 I'm confused

00:50:35.180 well we'll try to clear up

00:50:37.700 all the confusion

00:50:38.600 that we have

00:50:39.040 well if someone's been accused

00:50:40.000 of trying to molest a child

00:50:41.340 I think it's

00:50:41.920 then certainly

00:50:43.000 and I'll check

00:50:44.100 with the Justice Department

00:50:45.020 because it is a DOJ issue

00:50:46.580 and it would be handled

00:50:47.520 through DOJ

00:50:48.660 the U.S.

00:50:49.780 to the court systems

00:50:51.020 in Israel

00:50:51.700 that's how it would be handled

00:50:52.860 but the first step

00:50:54.220 is the Israeli government

00:50:55.300 saying yes

00:50:56.040 we will allow you

00:50:56.680 to extradite

00:50:57.240 this person back

00:50:58.120 the person is being

00:50:58.860 shielded by the government

00:50:59.760 that's why the person's here

00:51:00.860 that's why he fled here

00:51:02.200 so he wouldn't have to

00:51:02.960 stand trial

00:51:03.400 for trying to molest a child

00:51:04.580 I want to get

00:51:06.200 to the

00:51:06.640 as I said at the outset

00:51:07.980 I

00:51:08.660 said something awful

00:51:10.840 that I regret

00:51:11.440 that my wife

00:51:12.060 barked at me about

00:51:12.920 I lashed out

00:51:14.620 at

00:51:15.020 Christian Zionists

00:51:16.620 and evangelicals

00:51:17.720 and I just want to

00:51:18.440 say again

00:51:19.100 that I'm sorry

00:51:19.660 I've always liked them

00:51:22.160 because they're pro-life

00:51:22.960 and they're also

00:51:23.400 really nice people

00:51:24.080 so for the third time

00:51:25.560 I'm sorry that I said that

00:51:26.760 I think

00:51:28.280 part of my problem

00:51:29.440 was I don't understand

00:51:30.420 the theology

00:51:31.280 and you are

00:51:33.220 not a

00:51:34.180 fake Baptist minister

00:51:35.400 you're an actual minister

00:51:36.440 you had a church

00:51:37.060 for many years

00:51:37.700 you're an actual theologian

00:51:38.880 so

00:51:39.160 and I mean this

00:51:39.900 with sincerity

00:51:40.460 I hear people say

00:51:42.680 those who bless

00:51:44.220 Israel will be blessed

00:51:45.280 I know it's a reference

00:51:46.200 to Genesis

00:51:46.940 I don't understand

00:51:49.280 the connection

00:51:49.820 between that concept

00:51:51.040 and modern Israel

00:51:52.800 and the geopolitical world

00:51:55.660 and so I'm going to

00:51:56.220 stand back

00:51:56.680 and ask

00:51:57.320 let's first define

00:51:58.240 because you know

00:51:59.440 from my days

00:52:00.040 as a debater

00:52:00.680 in high school

00:52:01.240 and college

00:52:01.720 one of the things

00:52:02.280 I knew

00:52:02.720 you didn't start

00:52:03.460 the debate

00:52:03.860 until you defined

00:52:04.480 the terms

00:52:04.900 let's define the terms

00:52:06.220 thank you

00:52:06.600 what is

00:52:07.420 what is a Christian Zionist

00:52:09.660 what does that mean to you

00:52:11.780 what does it mean

00:52:13.340 I don't know

00:52:14.140 it's the people

00:52:15.360 who call me a Nazi

00:52:16.320 for asking what Israel means

00:52:17.880 that's kind of my

00:52:18.660 I don't even know

00:52:19.820 but here's the point

00:52:20.620 if you say

00:52:22.380 a Christian Zionist

00:52:23.540 is a person

00:52:24.140 who has a brain virus

00:52:26.240 and is guilty of heresy

00:52:28.640 that's a pretty big charge

00:52:29.700 I know

00:52:30.140 I shouldn't have made it

00:52:31.160 I shouldn't have made it

00:52:32.000 I made it out of anger

00:52:32.980 and ignorance

00:52:33.600 and I'm

00:52:34.760 Christian

00:52:35.380 I think we can agree

00:52:36.540 as somebody who follows

00:52:37.560 Jesus Christ

00:52:38.300 exactly

00:52:38.780 has a personal relationship

00:52:40.160 with Jesus Christ

00:52:41.580 believes in his death

00:52:42.960 burial

00:52:43.280 resurrection

00:52:43.860 has repented of one's sins

00:52:46.260 and have accepted him

00:52:47.720 as one's savior

00:52:49.300 would that be fair

00:52:50.180 Christian

00:52:50.780 define that

00:52:52.160 Zionist

00:52:53.240 a Zionist

00:52:54.860 simply means

00:52:55.820 a person who believes

00:52:56.880 that the Jewish people

00:52:58.520 have a right

00:53:00.120 to have a homeland

00:53:02.040 where they have security

00:53:03.360 and safety

00:53:04.020 did you believe

00:53:05.240 that the Jews

00:53:06.540 have a right

00:53:07.020 to live in Israel

00:53:07.680 do you believe

00:53:08.700 that Jews have a right

00:53:09.620 to live in Israel

00:53:10.200 I

00:53:11.420 that would be a Zionist

00:53:12.700 that's all a Zionist is

00:53:13.640 I have a million questions

00:53:15.360 about what

00:53:16.360 all of those terms mean

00:53:17.620 but conceptually

00:53:19.580 I wish Israel

00:53:20.940 no harm

00:53:21.400 I don't want to see

00:53:22.860 do you want them

00:53:23.480 to have a place

00:53:24.860 where they can live

00:53:26.120 with safety

00:53:27.160 and security

00:53:27.640 so I saw this

00:53:29.560 recently

00:53:30.360 in an extremely

00:53:31.260 telling exchange

00:53:32.480 between the lieutenant

00:53:33.320 governor

00:53:33.720 of Texas

00:53:34.740 who I know

00:53:35.380 and I've always liked

00:53:36.180 and a woman

00:53:37.000 I don't know

00:53:37.520 I've never met

00:53:38.100 who's on the

00:53:39.460 religious liberty

00:53:40.120 commission

00:53:40.600 or something

00:53:41.080 and she said

00:53:42.700 I'm a Catholic

00:53:43.560 but I'm not a Zionist

00:53:45.180 and

00:53:45.820 they have this

00:53:47.040 ferocious exchange

00:53:48.080 and

00:53:48.680 he kept saying

00:53:49.820 and everyone on the panel

00:53:50.440 seemed to keep saying

00:53:51.300 you have to believe

00:53:53.300 in Israel's right

00:53:54.240 to exist

00:53:55.000 which I've never

00:53:56.120 kind of questioned

00:53:56.760 just for the record

00:53:57.440 but it did raise

00:53:58.340 two questions

00:53:59.180 I think are really important

00:54:00.180 and I hope you'll answer them

00:54:01.540 one is

00:54:02.780 where does that right

00:54:03.640 come from

00:54:04.100 I would say

00:54:05.400 it comes from

00:54:05.980 essentially

00:54:06.700 you could say

00:54:07.360 it comes from the Bible

00:54:08.360 I would say

00:54:09.100 that it does

00:54:09.680 but it comes also

00:54:11.000 from a long iteration

00:54:12.680 of historical precedence

00:54:14.200 going to the Balfour Declaration

00:54:16.020 of 1917

00:54:17.820 it comes from

00:54:19.320 the League of Nations

00:54:19.980 1927

00:54:20.860 it comes from

00:54:21.700 the United Nations

00:54:23.340 1947

00:54:24.280 the Declaration of

00:54:25.920 Independence

00:54:26.740 of the Israel State

00:54:27.680 in May of 1948

00:54:28.840 they were immediately

00:54:30.180 attacked

00:54:30.700 they won the war

00:54:31.580 they were attacked

00:54:32.380 again in 1956

00:54:33.340 they won the war

00:54:34.440 they were attacked

00:54:35.080 again in 1967

00:54:36.120 by five countries

00:54:37.120 they won the war

00:54:37.840 they were attacked

00:54:38.760 again in 1970

00:54:39.620 in the Yom Kippur War

00:54:41.040 they won the war

00:54:42.120 the point is

00:54:43.300 does Israel

00:54:44.260 have a right

00:54:45.020 to exist

00:54:45.680 they also had wars

00:54:46.920 in 1982

00:54:47.540 in Lebanon

00:54:48.180 they've had

00:54:48.580 the Tefadas

00:54:49.500 two of those

00:54:50.240 they've had

00:54:51.160 Lebanon again

00:54:52.040 in 06

00:54:52.580 I was there

00:54:53.280 no I'm very familiar

00:54:55.180 with the modern history

00:54:55.980 of the state

00:54:56.480 pretty familiar

00:54:57.620 I think

00:54:58.200 but a Zionist

00:54:59.500 simply means

00:55:00.100 somebody who believes

00:55:01.240 that Israel

00:55:02.280 has a right to exist

00:55:03.200 now the question is

00:55:03.940 do you believe

00:55:04.500 Israel has a right

00:55:05.300 to exist

00:55:05.740 I guess

00:55:06.020 I mean I want

00:55:06.880 Israel to exist

00:55:07.800 well no but

00:55:08.360 I want to know

00:55:08.800 what that means

00:55:09.340 so like

00:55:09.720 do other countries

00:55:10.460 have a right

00:55:10.800 to exist

00:55:11.260 well they do exist

00:55:13.280 do they have

00:55:13.680 a right to exist

00:55:14.540 you keep saying

00:55:15.200 Israel has a right

00:55:16.080 to exist

00:55:16.680 and I want to know

00:55:17.440 what other countries

00:55:18.220 have a right

00:55:18.700 they have a legal right

00:55:19.220 because every

00:55:20.220 international body

00:55:21.440 in the last 100 years

00:55:23.060 has said

00:55:24.280 the Jewish people

00:55:25.340 have a right

00:55:25.880 to their indigenous homeland

00:55:27.460 so that's a legal right

00:55:28.700 do they have a biblical right

00:55:30.260 I would say that yes

00:55:31.420 but you may say

00:55:32.360 they don't

00:55:32.880 I don't know

00:55:33.460 I'm actually

00:55:34.000 sincerely interested

00:55:35.120 in finding out

00:55:35.740 what you mean

00:55:36.180 by a biblical right

00:55:36.960 but first

00:55:37.860 to the legal right

00:55:38.640 does any other country

00:55:40.080 on the planet

00:55:40.880 have the same right

00:55:43.040 that Israel has

00:55:44.640 to exist

00:55:45.280 well you could say

00:55:46.140 does Jordan

00:55:46.820 have a right

00:55:47.360 to exist

00:55:47.960 when it was

00:55:48.780 trans Jordan

00:55:49.580 and the Brits

00:55:50.540 came and divided

00:55:51.700 up the Middle East

00:55:52.540 and they gave

00:55:53.120 some land

00:55:54.560 to Jordanians

00:55:55.460 and they gave

00:55:55.960 some land

00:55:56.420 to the Saudis

00:55:57.140 and they gave

00:55:57.620 some land

00:55:58.140 to various

00:55:59.580 Middle Eastern countries

00:56:00.660 and it was all

00:56:01.400 carved up

00:56:02.080 and the French

00:56:03.300 gave Lebanon

00:56:04.360 its right to exist

00:56:05.700 do they have

00:56:06.500 a right to exist

00:56:07.320 do they

00:56:07.960 well why not

00:56:09.360 okay

00:56:10.380 so that's my

00:56:11.400 so every country

00:56:12.700 does the U.S.

00:56:13.140 have a right to exist

00:56:14.060 I'm asking you

00:56:14.900 okay and I'm telling you

00:56:15.880 I think the U.S.

00:56:16.560 has a right to exist

00:56:17.520 okay

00:56:18.140 we came here

00:56:19.420 we came there

00:56:20.440 we're in Israel

00:56:21.520 now talking

00:56:22.160 but does the U.S.

00:56:23.480 have a right to exist

00:56:24.320 does anyone question

00:56:25.340 whether we have

00:56:25.940 a right to exist

00:56:26.760 I don't

00:56:27.400 yeah

00:56:27.760 but I

00:56:28.940 of course I'm for America

00:56:30.200 good for you

00:56:31.180 but I

00:56:32.060 so every

00:56:33.160 current country

00:56:34.680 on the map

00:56:35.660 has the same

00:56:36.520 right to exist

00:56:37.600 that Israel

00:56:38.300 has

00:56:38.900 is that what you're saying

00:56:39.620 I think what we're saying

00:56:40.700 is that when a country

00:56:41.860 has established itself

00:56:43.100 and it is following

00:56:44.580 international law

00:56:45.600 it has been

00:56:46.820 deemed

00:56:47.840 by numerous

00:56:49.500 bodies

00:56:50.000 that it is

00:56:51.180 indigenous

00:56:51.740 to its homeland

00:56:52.620 as Israel is

00:56:53.800 this is its homeland

00:56:55.320 it goes back

00:56:56.060 3,800 years

00:56:57.140 to the time

00:56:57.660 of Abraham

00:56:58.160 it's not that

00:57:00.040 the Jewish people

00:57:01.720 just showed up here

00:57:02.660 in 1948

00:57:03.420 and said

00:57:03.920 we're going to

00:57:04.800 have some land

00:57:05.680 hold on

00:57:05.940 so those are

00:57:07.000 two different tracks

00:57:07.840 and I just want to

00:57:08.300 make sure that we

00:57:08.780 separate them

00:57:09.220 so I understand

00:57:09.700 each one separately

00:57:10.380 so you're saying

00:57:11.660 there's the

00:57:12.220 modern legal framework

00:57:13.460 and so you said

00:57:14.620 a country that abides

00:57:15.640 by international law

00:57:16.680 has a right to exist

00:57:17.540 I would say

00:57:18.520 that that is a part

00:57:19.900 of its existence

00:57:21.460 would the inverse

00:57:22.280 be true

00:57:22.640 that a country

00:57:23.060 that does not

00:57:23.640 abide by international law

00:57:24.780 forfeits its right

00:57:25.620 to exist

00:57:26.040 not necessarily

00:57:27.240 if it has

00:57:27.760 the capacity

00:57:28.460 to stay

00:57:29.080 and make

00:57:30.080 its case known

00:57:30.800 but there have

00:57:31.620 been Jewish people

00:57:32.480 in this land

00:57:33.440 in this very land

00:57:35.040 for 3,800 years

00:57:37.920 okay

00:57:38.900 so

00:57:39.820 but you're saying

00:57:42.320 as the modern

00:57:43.600 nation state

00:57:44.780 with borders

00:57:45.480 and a military

00:57:46.280 and a Knesset

00:57:47.260 and just all the

00:57:48.240 kind of trappings

00:57:49.300 of a modern country

00:57:50.160 all of which I support

00:57:51.180 that country

00:57:53.580 has

00:57:54.000 every country

00:57:55.040 on the planet

00:57:55.940 has the same right

00:57:57.960 as Israel

00:57:59.020 to exist

00:57:59.760 because it does exist

00:58:01.100 is that what you're saying

00:58:01.780 I'm just trying to understand

00:58:02.540 the concept here

00:58:03.360 well I think

00:58:04.020 what we're trying to get to

00:58:05.360 is Christian Zionism

00:58:06.540 and you've taken this

00:58:07.520 way off the road here

00:58:09.400 I don't know that I have

00:58:10.160 I don't need to

00:58:11.000 Christian Zionism

00:58:12.220 is a separate thing

00:58:12.800 but I just keep hearing people say

00:58:14.280 Zionism is the belief

00:58:16.420 that's the fundamental argument

00:58:17.520 that's going on

00:58:18.200 does Israel

00:58:18.840 have a right

00:58:20.380 to live

00:58:21.920 in their indigenous

00:58:23.020 ancient historical

00:58:24.440 land

00:58:25.160 a land that has been

00:58:26.760 affirmed

00:58:27.680 throughout international

00:58:28.780 organizations

00:58:29.600 a land that has

00:58:31.320 direct ties

00:58:32.280 to the Jewish people

00:58:33.440 I just want to know

00:58:34.100 if this is a universal principle

00:58:35.520 I guess that's what

00:58:36.140 I'm getting at

00:58:36.700 because if it's not

00:58:38.040 then it's meaningless to me

00:58:39.400 because as a Christian

00:58:40.440 I believe in

00:58:41.160 universal principles

00:58:42.260 something is right

00:58:43.120 for everyone

00:58:43.800 or it's wrong

00:58:45.420 for everyone

00:58:46.080 we don't believe

00:58:47.160 in special cases

00:58:48.100 I don't think

00:58:48.700 if the Jews

00:58:49.100 didn't have this land

00:58:49.980 would the Jews

00:58:51.080 have a right

00:58:52.360 to any land

00:58:53.080 I don't know

00:58:54.840 I'm not attacking

00:58:55.660 the Jews

00:58:56.120 I'm asking

00:58:56.780 if this applies

00:58:57.740 to every people

00:58:59.380 and every nation

00:59:00.260 does every nation

00:59:01.180 have the same right

00:59:02.420 to its own homeland

00:59:03.900 to its own physical land

00:59:05.240 that you say Israel does

00:59:07.160 I feel like we're

00:59:08.160 in a rabbit hole here

00:59:09.040 no I think it's

00:59:09.700 a very straightforward question

00:59:10.660 does that right

00:59:11.620 extend to other countries

00:59:12.760 other than Israel

00:59:13.400 but the most important thing

00:59:14.380 that is going on

00:59:15.200 in our culture right now

00:59:16.440 is whether or not

00:59:17.260 the people that are

00:59:17.920 yelling in the streets

00:59:18.640 from the river to the sea

00:59:19.780 whether that's

00:59:21.500 a legitimate point of view

00:59:23.320 to say that there

00:59:24.720 should not be

00:59:25.540 a Jewish homeland

00:59:26.840 there should not be

00:59:27.920 a Jewish state

00:59:29.040 you'll never hear me say that

00:59:30.300 I just want to know

00:59:31.180 I know you haven't said it

00:59:31.820 but that's the argument

00:59:33.040 it's one of the arguments

00:59:34.120 going on globally

00:59:35.060 and the United States

00:59:36.780 excuse me

00:59:37.760 has a pretty narrow view

00:59:39.880 I would say

00:59:40.460 in our media culture

00:59:41.200 what's happening

00:59:41.800 around the world

00:59:42.340 there are plenty of countries

00:59:43.560 having this debate

00:59:44.340 Stonehenge is a lot older

00:59:46.700 than the first temple

00:59:48.740 in Israel

00:59:49.160 and it was built

00:59:50.200 by the same people

00:59:51.120 who live there now

00:59:52.420 it's the same people

00:59:53.180 and they are being

00:59:54.440 pushed off their island

00:59:55.620 and outnumbered

00:59:56.200 by people from other places

00:59:57.300 and so in Great Britain

00:59:59.060 in Ireland

01:00:00.620 which is also

01:00:01.860 a country

01:00:03.420 with a nation

01:00:04.440 of people

01:00:05.280 a race if you will

01:00:06.540 that is being displaced

01:00:07.600 replaced

01:00:08.480 who are they being replaced by?

01:00:10.220 immigrants

01:00:10.540 okay

01:00:11.000 from other places

01:00:11.880 I just wanted to clarify

01:00:12.680 because I was one of the

01:00:13.760 well just as a demographic matter

01:00:15.860 it's just like

01:00:16.360 you can look at the numbers

01:00:17.100 it's not controversial

01:00:17.940 just look at the numbers

01:00:18.660 there'll be a minority

01:00:19.580 in their country

01:00:20.180 and their people

01:00:21.440 have been there

01:00:22.120 longer than

01:00:23.260 than Jews have been

01:00:24.780 in Israel

01:00:25.180 and so they're having

01:00:26.200 this debate too

01:00:26.740 that's all I'm saying

01:00:27.640 and lots of places

01:00:29.060 are having this debate

01:00:29.920 sure

01:00:30.220 so does that principle

01:00:32.040 apply to everyone

01:00:33.340 or is it specific

01:00:35.360 just to Israel?

01:00:37.120 I think it applies

01:00:37.860 specifically

01:00:38.540 to Israel

01:00:39.560 it applies to anyone

01:00:40.440 who can prove

01:00:41.620 that they have some

01:00:42.320 connection to the land

01:00:43.320 and connection to the history

01:00:44.360 and connection to

01:00:45.040 international law

01:00:45.920 but Israel

01:00:47.040 I think

01:00:47.400 does have

01:00:47.860 an extraordinary

01:00:48.700 why do you keep bringing up

01:00:48.720 international law

01:00:49.640 so if

01:00:50.660 again

01:00:51.200 but let me finish this

01:00:52.700 Tucker

01:00:53.020 because here's the

01:00:53.920 here's the point

01:00:55.180 we're talking about

01:00:55.800 Christian Zionism

01:00:56.760 the idea that

01:00:57.740 as a Christian

01:00:58.440 I believe in both

01:00:59.340 the Old and the New Testament

01:01:00.380 why wouldn't I?

01:01:01.200 I'm a person of the book

01:01:02.080 there are 80 million

01:01:03.320 evangelical Christians

01:01:04.340 in the United States

01:01:05.280 what makes us

01:01:06.700 who we are

01:01:07.560 is our adherence

01:01:08.900 to the scripture

01:01:09.500 our belief

01:01:10.440 that the Bible

01:01:11.060 all of it

01:01:11.960 not part of it

01:01:12.760 but all of it

01:01:13.440 is the word

01:01:13.960 of the living God

01:01:14.660 so if I believe

01:01:15.820 in the Old and the New Testament

01:01:16.900 I do believe

01:01:17.880 that

01:01:18.840 there is a

01:01:20.660 very specific call

01:01:22.340 to the Jewish people

01:01:23.920 that started with Abraham

01:01:24.980 and he called them

01:01:26.700 out of

01:01:27.040 what is now

01:01:28.120 modern day Iraq

01:01:29.000 said

01:01:29.380 come where I send you

01:01:30.960 he came

01:01:32.140 this is the land

01:01:33.080 Genesis 12 3

01:01:34.560 he says

01:01:35.920 I will bless those

01:01:37.260 who bless you

01:01:37.840 curse those

01:01:38.400 who curse you

01:01:39.080 in Genesis 17

01:01:40.920 he looks out

01:01:42.100 of the world

01:01:42.680 he says

01:01:43.040 look

01:01:43.440 and this is

01:01:43.980 where I'm

01:01:44.420 giving you

01:01:44.940 the land

01:01:45.380 and since that time

01:01:47.460 there have been

01:01:48.100 people living

01:01:49.380 in this land

01:01:50.780 connected to

01:01:52.120 that moment

01:01:52.700 of history

01:01:53.280 so there is

01:01:54.380 a historical

01:01:55.060 connection

01:01:55.780 that is unbroken

01:01:57.120 you've said that

01:01:59.280 and I want to ask you

01:02:00.480 what that means

01:02:00.960 a little more specifically

01:02:01.580 if that's okay

01:02:02.120 but first let me

01:02:02.900 just say

01:02:03.620 that you could say

01:02:04.640 the same thing

01:02:05.220 of Britons

01:02:05.680 who've been there

01:02:06.240 in their land longer

01:02:07.300 is anyone

01:02:08.020 trying to tell

01:02:08.780 the Britons

01:02:09.200 the Brits

01:02:09.980 they can't live

01:02:10.520 there anymore

01:02:10.940 no

01:02:11.940 what's happening

01:02:12.760 but they are

01:02:13.260 saying that

01:02:13.620 to the Jews

01:02:14.240 okay

01:02:16.440 but I just

01:02:17.180 wonder if you

01:02:17.520 would extend

01:02:17.840 the same sympathy

01:02:18.940 or the same

01:02:19.340 principle

01:02:19.740 you seem like

01:02:20.700 this is

01:02:21.080 you think

01:02:21.500 I'm trying

01:02:21.720 to trap you

01:02:22.140 I'm not

01:02:22.580 I'm at all

01:02:23.280 trying to trap you

01:02:23.900 it would be as

01:02:24.780 simple as saying

01:02:25.640 native Britons

01:02:27.000 have the same

01:02:27.600 problem

01:02:27.860 there's no problem

01:02:27.880 with the native

01:02:28.460 Brits

01:02:29.240 having their land

01:02:30.220 but my point is

01:02:31.240 I don't know

01:02:31.800 that there is

01:02:32.300 a biblical

01:02:32.900 connection

01:02:33.520 for the Brits

01:02:34.460 but I would say

01:02:35.640 take that off the table

01:02:37.300 and I think

01:02:38.380 there's still

01:02:38.960 a basis

01:02:39.840 for the Jews

01:02:41.320 having this

01:02:42.240 little bitty strip

01:02:43.140 of real estate

01:02:43.960 and it is

01:02:44.520 I'm not even

01:02:45.040 arguing with you

01:02:45.640 I'm just trying

01:02:46.140 to at all

01:02:46.680 I'm just trying

01:02:47.300 to understand

01:02:47.660 what it is

01:02:48.260 that you're saying

01:02:48.840 because it's

01:02:49.440 it's not obvious

01:02:50.640 to me

01:02:51.080 and maybe it's

01:02:51.820 an IQ problem

01:02:52.640 but I'm having

01:02:53.300 trouble understanding

01:02:53.920 this

01:02:54.100 but let me

01:02:54.980 just go back

01:02:55.420 to just

01:02:55.940 clarify one thing

01:02:57.280 you've brought up

01:02:58.080 international

01:02:58.520 at least twice

01:02:59.160 maybe three times

01:02:59.900 as a basis

01:03:01.360 for Israel's

01:03:02.200 legitimacy

01:03:02.740 if Israel

01:03:04.480 was out of

01:03:05.160 compliance

01:03:05.620 with international

01:03:06.380 law

01:03:06.740 whatever that is

01:03:07.700 would it be

01:03:08.900 less legitimate

01:03:09.500 depends on

01:03:11.000 if the law

01:03:11.900 and the way

01:03:12.320 it's applied

01:03:12.800 is legitimate

01:03:13.640 there are some

01:03:14.680 applications

01:03:15.480 of so-called

01:03:16.220 international law

01:03:17.000 that are not

01:03:17.480 legitimate

01:03:17.800 look at the

01:03:18.380 ICC

01:03:18.860 or the ICJ

01:03:19.840 I agree

01:03:20.200 utterly ridiculous

01:03:21.340 one of the reasons

01:03:22.220 I'm so grateful

01:03:22.920 President Trump

01:03:23.660 and Secretary Rubio

01:03:25.140 are pushing hard

01:03:26.160 trying to get rid

01:03:28.100 of the ICC

01:03:28.780 and the ICJ

01:03:29.660 is because

01:03:30.260 they have become

01:03:31.240 rogue organizations

01:03:32.420 that are no longer

01:03:33.340 really about

01:03:34.120 an equal application

01:03:35.700 of law

01:03:36.500 and justice

01:03:36.900 I don't know enough

01:03:37.620 about it

01:03:38.180 to say if that's

01:03:39.140 true or not

01:03:39.660 but I just

01:03:41.740 I'm interested

01:03:42.200 that you yourself

01:03:43.340 appeal to

01:03:44.280 international law

01:03:45.300 as a basis

01:03:46.160 of Israel's

01:03:47.240 legitimacy

01:03:47.260 but what I'm looking at

01:03:47.920 is the whole

01:03:48.760 of the last

01:03:49.420 100 years

01:03:50.500 the Balfour Declaration

01:03:51.440 is not exactly

01:03:51.980 international law

01:03:52.740 by the way

01:03:53.060 it was

01:03:53.240 latter I think

01:03:54.220 it was maybe

01:03:54.900 maybe not law

01:03:56.100 but it was a declaration

01:03:57.320 it was a

01:03:58.860 an assumption

01:04:00.140 and a declaration

01:04:01.260 that was done

01:04:02.120 by Lord Balfour

01:04:03.020 in the

01:04:03.420 in Great Britain

01:04:04.740 at that time

01:04:05.720 this land

01:04:06.940 was under

01:04:07.700 the British mandate

01:04:08.480 and he said

01:04:09.740 the Jews should have

01:04:10.820 the land

01:04:12.560 that was theirs

01:04:13.600 from 3800 years ago

01:04:15.240 it was simple as that

01:04:16.240 right

01:04:16.480 and I'm not debating that

01:04:17.720 I'm just

01:04:18.000 it was not

01:04:19.660 it was not international law

01:04:21.000 it was a colonial power

01:04:22.040 saying okay

01:04:22.580 but then later

01:04:23.060 it was under national law

01:04:24.360 under the League of Nations

01:04:25.300 under the United Nations

01:04:26.520 and then

01:04:27.160 because of the victories

01:04:28.600 that Israel had

01:04:29.440 against those

01:04:30.020 who tried to annihilate them

01:04:31.420 and it wasn't just

01:04:32.380 that they were trying

01:04:32.920 to take a little piece

01:04:33.720 of their land

01:04:34.160 they tried to annihilate them

01:04:35.700 and there is still

01:04:37.300 to this day

01:04:38.020 the shouts of

01:04:39.140 from the river

01:04:39.600 to the sea

01:04:40.180 and Tucker

01:04:40.600 that means

01:04:41.060 only one thing

01:04:41.940 not

01:04:43.100 the shrinking

01:04:44.480 of Israel

01:04:45.100 but the annihilation

01:04:46.480 of Israel

01:04:47.020 I don't think

01:04:47.580 that's different

01:04:47.960 I don't think

01:04:48.440 you can say

01:04:49.320 that you know

01:04:49.880 what it means

01:04:50.440 actually

01:04:50.880 because you don't know

01:04:51.640 what's in people's hearts

01:04:52.520 so why don't we just

01:04:53.900 deal with the facts

01:04:54.620 maybe some people

01:04:55.320 mean it

01:04:55.580 I know it's in their mouths

01:04:56.540 I know it's in their minds

01:04:57.700 but I'm not

01:04:58.560 look you'll never hear me say that

01:05:00.040 what you will hear me say

01:05:01.340 is I'm confused

01:05:02.140 by what the definitions are

01:05:03.520 so let's go through this

01:05:04.460 you've appealed to Genesis

01:05:05.780 Genesis 15

01:05:06.760 says it's Abram

01:05:08.280 it's pre-Abraham

01:05:09.140 it's Abram

01:05:09.700 receives from God

01:05:11.620 the news

01:05:12.240 that his descendants

01:05:13.360 will inherit the land

01:05:14.500 and you tell me

01:05:15.180 as the theologian

01:05:16.320 if I'm getting this wrong

01:05:17.240 but from

01:05:18.380 the Euphrates

01:05:19.840 to the Nile

01:05:20.480 I think

01:05:21.600 I think that's right

01:05:22.300 and that would

01:05:24.520 include

01:05:25.240 like basically

01:05:25.800 the entire Middle East

01:05:26.580 that would be

01:05:27.620 the Levant

01:05:28.520 so that would be

01:05:29.280 Israel

01:05:29.920 Jordan

01:05:30.620 Syria

01:05:31.360 Lebanon

01:05:31.860 it would also be

01:05:32.480 big parts

01:05:33.280 of Saudi Arabia

01:05:34.920 and Iraq

01:05:35.820 it would be

01:05:36.440 I mean

01:05:36.760 not sure it would go

01:05:37.300 that far

01:05:38.020 I mean it would be

01:05:38.620 a big piece of land

01:05:39.560 but here's the point

01:05:40.200 it would be a lot of

01:05:41.120 places that are now

01:05:42.220 countries

01:05:42.880 that this

01:05:43.640 particular area

01:05:45.100 that we're talking about now

01:05:46.520 Israel

01:05:47.880 is

01:05:49.320 is a land

01:05:51.580 that God gave

01:05:52.520 through Abraham

01:05:53.680 to a people

01:05:54.980 that he chose

01:05:55.680 it was a people

01:05:56.940 a place

01:05:57.560 and a purpose

01:05:58.320 we can look at it

01:05:59.780 that way

01:06:00.240 Christian Zionism

01:06:02.020 I want to go back

01:06:02.620 because that's where

01:06:03.100 we started

01:06:03.500 I'm not going to

01:06:03.940 let you off on this

01:06:04.660 because you have

01:06:05.400 said it three times

01:06:06.440 that God gave

01:06:07.520 this land

01:06:08.180 to this people

01:06:09.780 and so it is

01:06:10.700 entirely fair for me

01:06:12.080 with respect to ask

01:06:13.040 what land are you

01:06:13.620 talking about

01:06:14.200 because I just read

01:06:15.400 Genesis 15

01:06:16.120 as I have many times

01:06:16.880 and that land

01:06:18.520 I think it says

01:06:19.500 from the Nile

01:06:21.080 to the Euphrates

01:06:21.960 which is

01:06:22.660 once again

01:06:23.960 basically the entire

01:06:25.000 Middle East

01:06:25.520 so God gave that land

01:06:26.860 to his people

01:06:28.020 the Jews

01:06:28.460 or he didn't

01:06:29.320 you're saying

01:06:30.320 he did

01:06:31.040 what does that mean

01:06:33.200 does Israel

01:06:33.980 have the right

01:06:34.960 to that land

01:06:36.300 because you're

01:06:36.980 appealing to Genesis

01:06:37.980 you're saying

01:06:38.860 that's the original

01:06:40.040 deed

01:06:40.780 it would be fine

01:06:43.700 if they took it all

01:06:44.520 but I don't think

01:06:45.700 that's what we're

01:06:46.360 talking about here today

01:06:47.460 what would be fine

01:06:48.200 well it's exactly

01:06:48.840 what we're talking about

01:06:49.400 today

01:06:49.600 but here's what

01:06:50.420 I don't think

01:06:51.080 you think it would be

01:06:51.680 fine if the state

01:06:52.360 of Israel

01:06:52.800 took over

01:06:53.480 they don't want

01:06:53.940 to take it over

01:06:54.560 they're not asking

01:06:55.980 to take it over

01:06:56.600 but you're saying

01:06:57.220 that the reason

01:06:57.960 that Israel

01:06:58.740 is legitimate

01:06:59.820 has this inherent

01:07:00.760 right to exist

01:07:01.680 is in part

01:07:02.680 because God gave it

01:07:03.840 to his people

01:07:05.020 and I am going

01:07:06.640 to the same Bible

01:07:07.460 that you're referring to

01:07:08.340 and noticing

01:07:08.860 that that is a huge

01:07:10.380 piece of land

01:07:11.140 so if God gave them

01:07:12.640 that land

01:07:13.200 then they have a right

01:07:14.040 to take it now

01:07:14.720 by your definition

01:07:15.900 unless I'm missing

01:07:16.640 something completely

01:07:17.120 I think you're missing

01:07:17.740 something because

01:07:18.520 they're not asking

01:07:19.820 to go back

01:07:21.020 to take all of that

01:07:22.060 but they are asking

01:07:23.020 to at least take the land

01:07:24.480 that they now

01:07:26.420 occupy

01:07:27.000 they now live in

01:07:28.180 they now own

01:07:29.520 legitimately

01:07:30.180 and it is

01:07:31.920 a safe haven

01:07:33.180 for them

01:07:33.640 may I ask though

01:07:34.440 as because you're appealing

01:07:35.960 you're explaining

01:07:36.640 what Christian Zionism

01:07:37.400 is and your theological

01:07:38.560 beliefs

01:07:39.180 and you think

01:07:40.720 you just said

01:07:41.180 it would be fine

01:07:41.860 with you

01:07:42.320 if the state

01:07:42.800 of Israel

01:07:43.280 took all of

01:07:44.420 all of Syria

01:07:45.540 all of Lebanon

01:07:46.320 that's

01:07:48.260 that's really

01:07:49.100 not exactly

01:07:49.840 what I'm trying

01:07:50.360 I'm asking

01:07:50.920 is that what you said

01:07:51.580 I thought that's

01:07:52.000 what you just said

01:07:52.560 it was somewhat

01:07:53.440 of a hyperbolic

01:07:54.380 statement

01:07:54.900 in that

01:07:55.340 you know

01:07:55.980 if that's what

01:07:56.580 you feel like

01:07:57.280 that we're talking

01:07:57.980 about

01:07:58.220 but it isn't

01:07:58.900 we're talking

01:07:59.900 about this land

01:08:01.140 that Israel

01:08:02.200 the state of Israel

01:08:03.300 now lives in

01:08:05.720 and wants

01:08:07.680 to have peace in

01:08:08.660 they're not trying

01:08:09.800 to take over

01:08:11.040 Jordan

01:08:11.440 they're not trying

01:08:11.960 to take over

01:08:12.480 Syria

01:08:12.880 they're not trying

01:08:13.420 to take over

01:08:14.080 Iraq

01:08:14.980 or anywhere else

01:08:16.180 but they do

01:08:17.320 want to protect

01:08:18.120 their people

01:08:18.940 and they're not

01:08:20.100 trying to take

01:08:20.520 over Lebanon

01:08:21.020 but you're saying

01:08:21.940 that as

01:08:22.720 a religious man

01:08:23.680 as a Christian

01:08:24.280 a Christian Zionist

01:08:25.240 you agree

01:08:25.980 with a lot

01:08:26.920 of religious

01:08:28.060 communities

01:08:28.420 here in Israel

01:08:29.020 that the

01:08:29.760 justification

01:08:30.680 for this country

01:08:31.820 is theological

01:08:32.460 it's a contract

01:08:33.420 between God

01:08:34.000 and his people

01:08:34.600 and I'm telling

01:08:35.720 you that that

01:08:36.280 contract

01:08:36.760 includes a tract

01:08:38.380 of land

01:08:38.820 that is much

01:08:39.940 larger

01:08:40.380 than the current

01:08:41.440 nation state

01:08:42.100 so you may be

01:08:42.840 a bigger Zionist

01:08:43.780 than even the Jews

01:08:44.640 are that live

01:08:45.260 I'm trying to

01:08:45.960 understand the

01:08:46.560 implications

01:08:47.060 of your theology

01:08:48.000 for geopolitics

01:08:49.240 because you're

01:08:50.160 saying that

01:08:50.900 the present

01:08:51.680 government

01:08:52.200 of Israel

01:08:53.000 has a moral

01:08:54.260 right to take

01:08:55.160 over what are

01:08:55.680 now other

01:08:56.260 people's countries

01:08:57.040 no I didn't

01:08:57.700 say that

01:08:58.140 then what are

01:08:58.680 you saying

01:08:59.100 I'm simply

01:08:59.680 saying that

01:09:00.900 the people

01:09:01.440 who live

01:09:01.800 in Israel

01:09:02.180 I think

01:09:04.140 have a right

01:09:04.600 to have

01:09:04.940 security

01:09:05.460 have safety

01:09:06.440 they have a

01:09:07.280 right to be

01:09:07.800 able to live

01:09:09.300 in this land

01:09:10.960 that they have

01:09:11.980 a connection

01:09:12.520 to for 3800

01:09:13.800 I told myself

01:09:14.280 and I said

01:09:14.640 a prayer

01:09:14.900 not get annoyed

01:09:15.820 but as someone

01:09:16.700 who is

01:09:17.320 you know

01:09:18.520 the father

01:09:18.900 of daughters

01:09:19.500 when I see

01:09:21.180 child molesters

01:09:22.560 hiding in Israel

01:09:24.820 and escaping

01:09:25.700 American justice

01:09:26.620 I think

01:09:27.240 I have a right

01:09:28.220 to safety

01:09:28.680 in my country

01:09:29.440 too

01:09:29.760 so you can

01:09:30.200 understand that

01:09:30.800 I think

01:09:31.440 most people

01:09:31.980 feel they have

01:09:32.560 a right

01:09:33.160 to safety

01:09:33.840 I do think

01:09:35.080 Israel has

01:09:35.740 a right to safety

01:09:36.360 and I hope

01:09:37.560 that for them

01:09:38.220 and I'm sincere

01:09:39.460 but I'm an American

01:09:40.720 and I have a right

01:09:42.120 to safety

01:09:42.500 in my country

01:09:43.240 too

01:09:43.520 don't you agree

01:09:44.280 and I think

01:09:45.220 so but I just

01:09:46.120 want to get

01:09:46.440 to this point

01:09:46.960 if Israel

01:09:49.200 were to say

01:09:50.280 God gave us

01:09:51.400 in Genesis 15

01:09:52.540 all of Lebanon

01:09:54.160 all of Syria

01:09:55.900 all the way up

01:09:57.440 to Iraq

01:09:58.080 would that be

01:09:59.280 legitimate

01:09:59.640 in your view

01:10:00.380 I don't think

01:10:01.140 in this particular

01:10:01.880 day and time

01:10:02.720 they're asking

01:10:04.120 for it

01:10:04.560 would it be

01:10:04.880 legitimate

01:10:05.260 I'm not sure

01:10:06.220 that it would be

01:10:06.920 why

01:10:07.360 because you just

01:10:08.200 said that

01:10:08.500 God gave it

01:10:09.560 to them

01:10:09.840 that there

01:10:10.240 there is

01:10:10.560 an understanding

01:10:12.980 that the people

01:10:14.200 of Israel

01:10:14.560 today

01:10:15.000 now if they

01:10:16.420 end up getting

01:10:17.000 attacked by all

01:10:17.800 these places

01:10:18.420 and they win

01:10:19.360 that war

01:10:19.880 and they take

01:10:20.480 that land

01:10:21.040 then okay

01:10:21.640 that's a whole

01:10:22.420 other discussion

01:10:24.020 but you and I

01:10:25.480 started out

01:10:26.080 we started talking

01:10:27.820 about something

01:10:28.480 simple

01:10:28.920 Christian

01:10:29.940 Zionism

01:10:30.940 and now you

01:10:32.160 because I don't

01:10:32.960 the core of

01:10:33.620 Christian Zionism

01:10:34.480 you said

01:10:35.040 and I'm quoting

01:10:35.500 you

01:10:35.860 is the

01:10:37.060 understanding

01:10:37.580 the belief

01:10:38.060 the theological

01:10:38.600 understanding

01:10:39.080 that Jews

01:10:41.000 have a moral

01:10:42.260 and legal

01:10:43.080 we went through

01:10:43.800 the legal

01:10:44.080 moral deriving

01:10:46.000 from the biblical

01:10:46.600 promises

01:10:47.280 in our Bible

01:10:48.380 which we share

01:10:49.560 with the Jewish

01:10:50.120 people

01:10:50.480 the first part

01:10:51.180 of the Old Testament

01:10:51.820 that it derives

01:10:54.040 from God's promise

01:10:54.860 to the Jews

01:10:55.980 and so I have

01:10:57.860 two questions

01:10:58.480 what are the

01:10:59.540 borders

01:10:59.900 of that

01:11:01.260 and who are

01:11:03.640 those people

01:11:04.880 in 2026

01:11:06.120 and you're not

01:11:07.540 the first person

01:11:08.100 I've asked

01:11:08.520 but you're the

01:11:09.260 most reasonable

01:11:10.240 most gentle

01:11:10.840 most theologically

01:11:11.720 informed person

01:11:12.520 so I'm really

01:11:13.140 hoping for an answer

01:11:14.000 the first question

01:11:15.480 was the borders

01:11:16.060 I can't get an answer

01:11:16.960 those borders are

01:11:18.000 so I'm going to give up

01:11:19.180 but the second question

01:11:20.580 is every bit is pressing

01:11:21.420 which is who are

01:11:22.040 the people

01:11:22.460 who are the

01:11:24.180 modern

01:11:24.480 yes who are

01:11:25.260 who are the

01:11:25.940 descendants

01:11:26.340 so we know

01:11:27.140 and I believe

01:11:27.800 and I agree

01:11:28.260 with you

01:11:28.620 as a Christian

01:11:29.320 that God promised

01:11:30.600 this land

01:11:32.160 from modern day

01:11:34.000 Iraq

01:11:34.360 to modern day

01:11:35.040 Egypt

01:11:35.340 to this people

01:11:36.600 the Jews

01:11:37.340 to Abram's

01:11:38.400 actually not

01:11:38.900 to Abram's

01:11:39.740 descendants

01:11:40.140 as it says

01:11:41.400 in Genesis 15

01:11:42.500 who are his

01:11:44.100 descendants now

01:11:44.780 and how do we

01:11:45.240 know who they are

01:11:46.000 I think they're

01:11:46.820 the Jews

01:11:47.240 and we know

01:11:47.700 who they are

01:11:48.180 because they've

01:11:48.680 always been

01:11:49.260 a Jewish people

01:11:50.240 there has been

01:11:51.240 an unbroken line

01:11:52.420 of Jewish people

01:11:53.180 and they've lived

01:11:54.420 in this land

01:11:55.480 for 3800 years

01:11:57.340 sometimes not very

01:11:58.480 many of them

01:11:59.080 because they were

01:11:59.840 chased out all over

01:12:00.720 the world

01:12:01.060 they were hunted

01:12:01.580 down

01:12:01.960 they were almost

01:12:02.940 annihilated

01:12:03.560 during the Holocaust

01:12:04.460 they came back

01:12:06.040 to this day

01:12:06.940 Tucker

01:12:07.200 they represent

01:12:07.720 you know how many

01:12:08.180 Jews there are

01:12:08.700 in the whole world

01:12:09.220 please

01:12:09.740 I understand

01:12:10.700 first of all

01:12:11.620 the greatest

01:12:12.320 genocide of Jews

01:12:13.440 no one ever mentions

01:12:14.240 was by the Romans

01:12:15.780 where they were

01:12:16.480 literally banned

01:12:17.700 from Jerusalem

01:12:18.420 for 500 years

01:12:19.740 yeah of course

01:12:20.600 and it's all awful

01:12:22.140 and I'm opposed

01:12:22.760 to all of that

01:12:23.580 I'm opposed

01:12:24.020 to mass killing

01:12:24.840 of anybody

01:12:25.580 period

01:12:26.160 I'm opposed

01:12:26.640 to killing

01:12:27.000 I'm glad to hear you

01:12:27.100 say that

01:12:27.520 I mean it

01:12:28.820 yeah

01:12:29.160 I believe that

01:12:30.100 my question is

01:12:33.340 and it's not a

01:12:34.500 bumper sticker answer

01:12:35.220 it's a sincere answer

01:12:36.160 how do we know

01:12:37.200 because what you're

01:12:38.340 saying is that

01:12:39.760 certain people

01:12:40.500 have a title

01:12:41.320 to a highly

01:12:42.440 contested region

01:12:43.640 they own it

01:12:44.860 in some deep sense

01:12:45.780 so I think

01:12:47.000 it's fair to ask

01:12:47.720 who are they

01:12:48.720 and how do we know

01:12:49.820 so the current

01:12:50.760 prime minister's

01:12:51.520 ancestors

01:12:51.980 weren't from here

01:12:53.700 within recorded history

01:12:54.880 he has no deed

01:12:56.240 Bibi Netanyahu

01:12:57.780 on one side

01:12:58.580 his family's from Poland

01:12:59.340 they're from Eastern Europe

01:13:00.220 so how do we know

01:13:02.420 that he has a connection

01:13:03.480 to the people

01:13:04.440 who God promised

01:13:06.460 the land to

01:13:06.980 Abram's descendants

01:13:07.760 how do we know that

01:13:08.620 well if you take

01:13:09.560 the genealogies

01:13:10.520 that come not only

01:13:11.440 from the Old

01:13:11.960 but the New Testament

01:13:12.780 you see that

01:13:13.420 there is a

01:13:14.120 historical connection

01:13:15.360 through the entirety

01:13:17.040 of the Old

01:13:17.540 and the New Testament

01:13:18.300 that details

01:13:19.820 the Jewish connection

01:13:21.520 to this land

01:13:22.360 does that include

01:13:23.040 Bibi's family

01:13:23.880 how do we know

01:13:24.440 that if his family

01:13:25.240 comes here

01:13:25.940 but how do we know

01:13:27.460 it's the same people

01:13:28.440 why is that crazy

01:13:30.680 if you say to me

01:13:32.300 if they speak

01:13:33.160 the same language

01:13:33.840 if they worship

01:13:34.500 the same God

01:13:35.240 if they follow

01:13:35.820 the same Bible

01:13:36.660 if they follow

01:13:37.740 the same cultures

01:13:38.580 and traditions

01:13:39.240 and they always pray

01:13:41.160 next year in Jerusalem

01:13:42.260 and they pray

01:13:42.880 for the peace

01:13:43.400 of Jerusalem

01:13:43.900 and they pray

01:13:44.620 facing toward Jerusalem

01:13:45.920 does that not give you

01:13:47.340 a little bit of a clue

01:13:48.340 as to who they are

01:13:48.940 let's go through

01:13:49.440 those things

01:13:49.920 because I would like

01:13:50.740 to have a rational

01:13:51.320 this is a conversation

01:13:52.300 I've wanted

01:13:52.820 bless you

01:13:53.300 thank you for doing this

01:13:54.200 let's just go through

01:13:56.940 those things

01:13:57.420 okay

01:13:57.680 so one of the things

01:13:58.680 I admire most about Israel

01:13:59.560 is they resurrected

01:14:00.340 a dead language

01:14:01.140 in 1948

01:14:01.920 good for that

01:14:03.300 well they really

01:14:04.640 didn't resurrect it

01:14:05.660 it was existent

01:14:07.620 okay

01:14:08.020 I'm not

01:14:08.560 that's not

01:14:08.980 that's a compliment

01:14:09.920 I'm not slighting

01:14:10.580 no no no

01:14:10.860 but it is the first time

01:14:11.840 in all of human history

01:14:12.620 that a language

01:14:13.340 has survived

01:14:14.880 through this length

01:14:15.880 of time

01:14:16.400 it's

01:14:16.920 I would call it

01:14:18.240 you might not

01:14:18.980 but I would call it

01:14:19.760 a miracle

01:14:20.460 one of many

01:14:21.960 okay

01:14:22.300 that you can

01:14:22.900 I think it's wonderful

01:14:24.440 as someone who loves language

01:14:25.480 Netanyahu's parents

01:14:26.940 did not speak Hebrew

01:14:28.080 okay

01:14:29.020 they didn't live

01:14:29.760 in this region

01:14:30.440 Netanyahu

01:14:32.220 the founders of this country

01:14:33.420 were mostly secular

01:14:34.740 some of them

01:14:35.200 were avowed atheists

01:14:36.180 they were not

01:14:37.000 praying for the peace

01:14:38.000 of Jerusalem

01:14:38.280 they weren't praying

01:14:38.780 at all

01:14:38.960 because they didn't

01:14:39.240 believe in God

01:14:39.700 there's no genealogy

01:14:42.160 linking their families

01:14:43.440 to the people

01:14:45.680 of this land

01:14:46.340 3,000 years ago

01:14:47.200 they're none

01:14:47.520 so how do we know

01:14:49.880 since they didn't

01:14:50.660 share a language

01:14:51.240 they didn't share

01:14:52.280 a religion

01:14:52.880 they had no religion

01:14:53.860 whatsoever

01:14:54.520 how do we know

01:14:57.000 that they had a right

01:14:59.080 to come here

01:14:59.980 from Eastern Europe

01:15:00.900 and

01:15:01.340 but they were

01:15:02.940 scattered

01:15:03.380 take the land

01:15:03.940 they were scattered

01:15:04.760 I understand that

01:15:05.720 they were scattered

01:15:06.480 all over the world

01:15:07.760 there were many

01:15:08.280 in Ethiopia

01:15:08.740 they were in Russia

01:15:09.760 they were in Poland

01:15:10.600 they were

01:15:11.940 throughout Asia

01:15:13.260 Jews were all

01:15:14.740 over the place

01:15:15.200 but they were still Jews

01:15:16.300 but they were still Jews

01:15:18.240 okay so then

01:15:18.840 let me get to the nub

01:15:19.800 of the question

01:15:20.320 since again

01:15:20.940 a lot is at stake

01:15:22.380 a lot of money

01:15:22.900 is at stake

01:15:23.460 land is very valuable

01:15:24.640 Israel has a lot

01:15:26.820 of resources

01:15:27.400 by the way

01:15:27.860 if you're accused

01:15:28.300 of a crime

01:15:28.640 you can hide here

01:15:29.300 that's a pretty good

01:15:29.940 passport to have

01:15:30.660 it's a good thing

01:15:32.440 right

01:15:32.760 so who's entitled

01:15:34.280 to it

01:15:34.820 I don't understand

01:15:36.960 and you're very

01:15:38.200 discouraged in the United States

01:15:39.140 from asking this question

01:15:40.000 for some reason

01:15:40.620 it's a totally

01:15:41.200 rational question

01:15:41.800 no I'm not discouraged

01:15:42.460 no you're not discouraging

01:15:43.360 others do

01:15:44.060 you're like the only person

01:15:44.800 I could have this conversation

01:15:45.480 with

01:15:45.620 shut up Nazi

01:15:46.720 it's a foundational question

01:15:49.120 are you speaking

01:15:50.680 of an ethnic group

01:15:52.340 or a religious group

01:15:54.080 well I think you're looking

01:15:55.740 at for many people

01:15:57.120 it is religious

01:15:57.860 there are people

01:15:58.960 who may not have

01:16:00.500 a deep religious

01:16:01.780 connection to Judaism

01:16:03.020 but they're still Jews

01:16:04.140 okay so it's

01:16:05.340 an ethnic category

01:16:06.060 it is ethnic

01:16:06.880 but it is also religious

01:16:08.140 it is rooted in religion

01:16:09.760 you can't take it

01:16:11.020 out of it

01:16:11.580 now that means

01:16:12.380 then how can an atheist

01:16:13.600 well I will tell you this

01:16:14.560 there are some people

01:16:15.240 who say I'm Christian

01:16:16.520 they never go to church

01:16:17.580 they never pray

01:16:18.800 they never read their bible

01:16:20.160 they don't tithe

01:16:21.060 but they're not entitled

01:16:21.840 to citizenship

01:16:22.380 on the basis of that

01:16:23.320 they're not entitled

01:16:23.980 to

01:16:24.360 they still call themselves

01:16:25.420 Christian

01:16:26.060 even though

01:16:26.840 they identify

01:16:27.900 in that way

01:16:28.680 here's the difference

01:16:29.580 you're saying

01:16:30.380 that people who have

01:16:31.960 this

01:16:33.400 identification

01:16:34.640 have a deed

01:16:37.020 to a huge chunk

01:16:39.040 of land

01:16:39.520 on the Mediterranean

01:16:40.360 okay

01:16:41.300 so there's

01:16:42.260 you know

01:16:43.600 it's a right

01:16:44.600 you keep telling me

01:16:45.300 it's a right

01:16:45.940 and so it's totally

01:16:47.600 fair to say

01:16:48.260 if you come

01:16:48.640 to my house

01:16:49.040 and say

01:16:49.260 I've got the title

01:16:49.840 to your house

01:16:50.300 I get to ask

01:16:51.520 may I see it

01:16:52.320 where'd you get it

01:16:53.700 and that's exactly

01:16:55.140 what happened here

01:16:55.560 people from Europe

01:16:56.240 Eastern Europe

01:16:57.140 came here

01:16:57.780 in a lot of cases

01:16:58.920 atheists

01:16:59.600 and kicked out

01:17:01.440 a lot of people

01:17:02.100 who lived here

01:17:02.740 they bought land

01:17:03.320 well but

01:17:03.960 they did not just

01:17:04.940 throw people out

01:17:06.440 they bought a lot of land

01:17:07.260 there's no question

01:17:07.740 about that

01:17:08.200 they did buy a lot of land

01:17:08.760 but they also

01:17:09.300 in 1948

01:17:09.960 kicked out

01:17:11.240 a lot of people

01:17:12.680 in the war

01:17:13.700 it was a war

01:17:14.860 I agree

01:17:15.240 I'm not

01:17:15.620 look I'm not

01:17:16.120 want to relitigate

01:17:17.340 the history

01:17:17.860 I'm just saying

01:17:18.260 it's a fact

01:17:18.800 okay

01:17:19.180 including a lot

01:17:20.040 of Christians

01:17:20.480 a lot of Christians

01:17:21.800 wound up fleeing

01:17:23.900 and they lost their homes

01:17:25.440 and they've never

01:17:25.820 been allowed back

01:17:26.540 and all of this

01:17:27.840 was justified

01:17:28.460 on the basis

01:17:29.380 of this identity

01:17:30.700 that forms

01:17:32.440 that is the ticket

01:17:33.760 to the right

01:17:34.320 that you keep referring to

01:17:35.420 so my question

01:17:36.520 is very simple

01:17:37.180 I'm going to wait

01:17:37.620 patiently for an answer

01:17:38.580 does this right

01:17:39.460 derive from

01:17:40.280 religious affiliation

01:17:41.460 or from genetics

01:17:43.280 and I would say

01:17:44.080 it's both

01:17:44.580 but I would also say

01:17:45.900 that when you said

01:17:46.460 that Christians

01:17:47.000 were kicked out

01:17:47.660 Tucker

01:17:48.440 Christianity

01:17:49.100 is growing

01:17:50.060 in Israel

01:17:50.940 and there is a big lie

01:17:52.980 that goes out there

01:17:53.800 but let me finish this

01:17:55.140 because I keep hearing

01:17:56.700 that Christians

01:17:57.640 are really not

01:17:59.400 treated well

01:18:00.040 in Israel

01:18:00.420 that's simply

01:18:01.240 that's a lie

01:18:02.180 it is a lie

01:18:03.480 there are lots of

01:18:04.100 different

01:18:04.260 there were 34,000

01:18:05.360 Christians in Israel

01:18:06.180 in 1948

01:18:06.980 there are 184,000

01:18:08.500 Christians here today

01:18:09.480 and by Israel

01:18:10.200 what are you counting?

01:18:12.220 you're talking

01:18:12.860 about the land?

01:18:14.620 what territory

01:18:15.320 are you counting

01:18:16.200 you're counting

01:18:16.980 Israel proper

01:18:17.920 or are you counting

01:18:18.760 the West Bank

01:18:20.000 as well

01:18:20.520 and Gaza

01:18:20.980 I mean

01:18:21.540 when you say Israel

01:18:22.920 those numbers

01:18:23.480 apply to what land mass?

01:18:25.140 it would be

01:18:25.680 in Israel proper

01:18:26.620 there are 184,000

01:18:28.600 now I'll tell you

01:18:29.680 where Christians

01:18:30.780 are not doing very well

01:18:31.980 they're not doing

01:18:33.200 very well

01:18:33.680 in the Muslim

01:18:34.140 controlled countries

01:18:35.180 there's almost

01:18:36.620 no Christians

01:18:37.640 in Qatar

01:18:38.520 for example

01:18:39.320 except those

01:18:40.160 who live in the

01:18:40.720 Christian ghetto

01:18:41.460 who are the

01:18:42.180 service workers

01:18:42.980 I'm sorry

01:18:43.640 I don't want to

01:18:44.580 argue with you

01:18:44.980 there are many

01:18:45.680 more Christians

01:18:46.320 in Qatar

01:18:46.800 than there are

01:18:47.200 in Israel

01:18:47.700 that's not true

01:18:48.940 it actually is true

01:18:50.100 and I refer you

01:18:50.740 to Wikipedia

01:18:51.220 Mr. Ambassador

01:18:52.040 Wikipedia

01:18:52.580 I refer you

01:18:54.240 to the government

01:18:54.800 of Qatar

01:18:55.140 the government

01:18:55.500 of Israel

01:18:55.880 these are

01:18:56.380 knowable facts

01:18:57.240 in Jordan

01:18:58.560 the numbers

01:18:59.160 are down

01:18:59.540 in Syria

01:19:00.080 the numbers

01:19:00.460 are down

01:19:00.820 in Lebanon

01:19:01.160 the numbers

01:19:01.580 are down

01:19:01.840 there are

01:19:02.300 about twice

01:19:03.580 as many Christians

01:19:04.440 but they live

01:19:05.260 in the enclave

01:19:06.340 they are not

01:19:07.000 native Qataris

01:19:08.500 okay

01:19:09.560 we're mixing

01:19:10.480 so many different

01:19:10.980 categories here

01:19:11.580 I'm just saying

01:19:12.160 I get things wrong

01:19:12.840 all the time

01:19:13.280 you've just gotten

01:19:13.920 something wrong

01:19:14.460 and I think

01:19:14.780 it's important

01:19:15.120 to acknowledge it

01:19:15.780 there are many

01:19:16.320 more Christians

01:19:16.780 in Qatar

01:19:17.160 than there are

01:19:17.560 in Israel

01:19:17.880 fact

01:19:18.320 how many

01:19:18.800 now you caught me

01:19:21.020 I don't know

01:19:21.600 I can look at my phone

01:19:22.560 but I was just there

01:19:23.460 and there are many more

01:19:24.340 like whatever

01:19:24.920 but I just want to

01:19:26.060 get to the point

01:19:27.260 that forms the basis

01:19:29.420 of this whole conversation

01:19:30.380 which is

01:19:31.180 who has a right

01:19:32.540 to the land

01:19:33.500 and you said

01:19:34.920 it's a mixture

01:19:35.480 of religion

01:19:36.080 and ethnicity

01:19:36.920 because as I noted

01:19:38.740 and you agree

01:19:39.460 many of the founders

01:19:40.800 maybe the majority

01:19:41.440 of the founders

01:19:41.880 of modern Israel

01:19:42.560 did not believe

01:19:43.100 in God at all

01:19:43.560 so they were not

01:19:44.480 religious Jews

01:19:45.100 they weren't religious

01:19:45.880 at all

01:19:46.040 they were atheists

01:19:46.640 they said they were

01:19:47.620 atheists

01:19:47.960 I believe them

01:19:48.560 so that suggests

01:19:50.960 it's ethnic

01:19:51.520 but it's also true

01:19:53.060 as you well know

01:19:53.780 because there's

01:19:54.360 a famous court case

01:19:55.060 about this

01:19:55.580 that ethnic Jews

01:19:57.560 who convert to

01:19:58.240 Christianity

01:19:58.760 do not have

01:19:59.940 the right of return

01:20:00.620 that was settled

01:20:01.540 by the Israeli

01:20:01.980 Supreme Court

01:20:02.520 I'm very confused

01:20:05.360 so that would suggest

01:20:06.420 it's not ethnicity

01:20:07.100 because you

01:20:08.680 invalidate your Jewishness

01:20:10.760 by converting

01:20:11.300 to Christianity

01:20:11.880 there are a number

01:20:12.660 of Messianic Jews

01:20:13.760 who live in Israel

01:20:14.860 who are here

01:20:16.620 I'm aware of that

01:20:17.540 it's a significant number

01:20:18.600 but you're not contesting

01:20:19.580 what I'm saying

01:20:20.260 because it's a very

01:20:21.860 famous court case

01:20:23.040 the right of return

01:20:24.600 has to do with

01:20:25.660 your mother

01:20:26.480 your grandmother

01:20:27.520 it has to do with

01:20:28.680 family ties

01:20:29.480 so it's ethnic

01:20:29.700 there is a lot of

01:20:30.980 sure ethnicity

01:20:31.960 ethnicity is a big part

01:20:32.920 of the right of return

01:20:33.800 great

01:20:34.160 to make Aliyah

01:20:35.100 to come to Israel

01:20:36.500 to live here

01:20:37.740 then if both of your

01:20:39.240 parents are Jewish

01:20:40.220 and you have

01:20:41.860 an ethnic right

01:20:42.840 to land

01:20:43.280 you are one of

01:20:43.920 Abram's descendants

01:20:44.680 but you convert

01:20:46.600 to Christianity

01:20:47.320 how is it you don't

01:20:48.220 have the right to return

01:20:49.040 I'm totally confused

01:20:50.160 but I know a number

01:20:51.080 of people

01:20:51.560 who have returned

01:20:52.820 as Christians

01:20:53.720 but have Jewish

01:20:54.960 history

01:20:55.940 are you saying

01:20:57.020 that Jews

01:20:58.280 who convert

01:20:58.860 to Christianity

01:20:59.700 have a right

01:21:01.360 a legal right

01:21:02.760 to return

01:21:03.540 because I

01:21:03.920 I know that they do

01:21:05.000 whether

01:21:06.080 when you say

01:21:07.400 do they have a right

01:21:08.300 to return

01:21:08.800 do they prove

01:21:09.940 it's a legal category

01:21:11.080 as in any government

01:21:12.020 which is by

01:21:12.840 their family

01:21:14.000 history

01:21:14.600 their grandmother

01:21:15.300 their mother

01:21:15.820 and there are

01:21:17.020 many

01:21:17.780 aspects of that

01:21:19.200 I've read it

01:21:19.640 I think

01:21:19.820 but I know

01:21:20.340 that these are people

01:21:21.180 who are Christian

01:21:21.920 and they came here

01:21:23.360 made Aliyah

01:21:24.240 they had Jewish

01:21:25.680 blood

01:21:26.520 Jewish history

01:21:27.360 they were Christian

01:21:29.000 Messianic

01:21:30.620 but they came here

01:21:32.060 and they were welcomed here

01:21:33.760 and they were given

01:21:34.800 full legal rights

01:21:35.720 absolutely

01:21:36.480 and a passport

01:21:37.120 so clearly

01:21:38.200 that's not

01:21:39.680 it's not true

01:21:40.500 that you invalidate

01:21:42.060 your right of return

01:21:43.020 by converted Christianity

01:21:44.020 that's just false

01:21:44.800 I'm not aware of that

01:21:46.500 I know that there are

01:21:47.580 a number of Christians here

01:21:48.680 I go to church

01:21:49.360 with Christians

01:21:49.840 every week here

01:21:50.640 of course

01:21:51.440 but do you have a right

01:21:52.880 to come and say

01:21:53.840 I am an ethnic Jew

01:21:55.340 even though I practice

01:21:57.160 Christianity

01:21:57.840 therefore I have

01:21:58.860 every bit

01:21:59.640 as much right

01:22:00.580 to move into

01:22:01.840 a settlement

01:22:02.300 in the West Bank

01:22:03.060 or into East Jerusalem

01:22:04.080 or anywhere I want

01:22:05.100 Galilee

01:22:06.460 anywhere

01:22:06.960 because I'm returning

01:22:09.020 to the land

01:22:09.720 of my forefathers

01:22:10.600 I have a legal right

01:22:11.500 in the state of Israel

01:22:12.400 even though I've converted

01:22:13.500 to Christianity

01:22:14.000 you're saying

01:22:14.560 that's true

01:22:15.300 I'm saying

01:22:16.100 I know people

01:22:16.980 have done it

01:22:17.460 now can I tell you

01:22:18.760 what the law

01:22:19.400 specifically is

01:22:20.220 I'm not sure

01:22:21.040 well it's really

01:22:21.900 significant

01:22:22.520 I'm not

01:22:23.200 I don't have any

01:22:23.860 Jewish roots

01:22:24.500 so therefore

01:22:25.140 I cannot quote you

01:22:26.940 the law

01:22:27.340 if you want me

01:22:27.860 to do that

01:22:28.280 I'll look at it

01:22:28.860 well it really matters

01:22:29.740 because you're saying

01:22:30.840 in fact people

01:22:32.160 in the United States

01:22:32.600 are being called

01:22:33.180 anti-Semites

01:22:34.600 a lot of them

01:22:36.520 including me

01:22:37.320 because

01:22:38.360 they somehow

01:22:39.800 don't believe

01:22:40.540 that Israel

01:22:41.280 has a right

01:22:42.080 to this land

01:22:43.080 do you think

01:22:43.980 Israel has a right

01:22:44.660 to this land

01:22:45.180 no you haven't

01:22:45.900 defined what the land

01:22:47.060 is and you haven't

01:22:47.900 defined who Israel is

01:22:49.020 so I really don't know

01:22:50.260 it is the land

01:22:51.200 they're living in

01:22:51.880 now the borders

01:22:52.640 that they have

01:22:53.360 the borders

01:22:53.880 are moving

01:22:54.700 the borders

01:22:55.080 have moved

01:22:55.440 in the last year

01:22:56.220 what do you mean

01:22:57.280 the borders

01:22:57.640 have moved

01:22:58.060 well they are

01:22:58.880 the 1967 borders

01:23:00.540 I'm including

01:23:01.340 you know

01:23:02.240 the West

01:23:03.040 East Jerusalem

01:23:03.440 and Judea

01:23:04.820 and Samaria

01:23:05.380 what are the borders

01:23:07.120 of Judea

01:23:07.560 and Samaria

01:23:08.060 well you basically

01:23:09.660 take the

01:23:11.060 Jordan River

01:23:12.120 and it's

01:23:13.960 west of the Jordan River

01:23:15.560 to the Mediterranean Sea

01:23:17.200 to the Lebanon border

01:23:18.600 and Israel did have

01:23:20.680 control of the Sinai

01:23:21.980 they gave that

01:23:22.680 to Egypt

01:23:23.480 they had control

01:23:24.700 of it

01:23:24.980 they gave it away

01:23:26.140 in 1979

01:23:27.000 in the peace agreement

01:23:28.220 but

01:23:30.360 okay

01:23:30.820 so

01:23:31.040 whatever you call it

01:23:33.320 the land that was

01:23:34.500 taken from Jordan

01:23:35.520 in 1967

01:23:36.700 you call it

01:23:37.460 Judea and Samaria

01:23:38.240 there's a significance

01:23:39.100 to that

01:23:39.820 that I

01:23:40.240 don't fully understand

01:23:42.000 I'm not against it

01:23:42.800 it's the biblical

01:23:43.360 it's the biblical

01:23:44.360 80% of the Bible

01:23:45.960 happened in Judea

01:23:47.060 and Samaria

01:23:47.540 but we've also established

01:23:48.520 that the Bible

01:23:49.100 gives Jews the right

01:23:50.520 to occupy the land

01:23:51.980 from the Nile

01:23:52.680 to the Euphrates

01:23:53.380 so I'm very confused

01:23:55.180 by why we've shrunk

01:23:56.360 the land

01:23:57.720 and why we're

01:23:58.600 Israel has shrunk

01:24:00.040 the land

01:24:00.860 they have made

01:24:02.040 that decision

01:24:02.680 that's why

01:24:03.240 they gave away

01:24:03.840 Gaza

01:24:04.240 they gave away

01:24:05.320 the Sinai

01:24:05.760 they've given away

01:24:06.780 a lot of things

01:24:07.560 Abram's descendants

01:24:10.820 are the ones

01:24:11.540 who have the right

01:24:12.100 to have this land

01:24:12.820 correct?

01:24:13.920 yes

01:24:14.160 okay

01:24:14.660 why don't we do

01:24:15.860 genetic testing

01:24:16.600 on everybody

01:24:17.200 in the land

01:24:17.940 and find out

01:24:18.480 who Abram's

01:24:19.000 descendants are

01:24:19.740 it's really simple

01:24:20.700 we've cracked

01:24:21.200 the human genome

01:24:21.840 we can do that

01:24:22.820 why don't we do that

01:24:24.360 would you be

01:24:24.820 against doing that?

01:24:27.140 I have no idea

01:24:28.520 what that would prove

01:24:30.320 I mean maybe it would be

01:24:31.540 what do you mean

01:24:32.060 it would prove

01:24:33.040 who Abram's descendants

01:24:33.880 are and who has

01:24:34.780 a right to live here

01:24:37.140 and who doesn't

01:24:38.000 according to the theology

01:24:39.140 that you yourself

01:24:39.880 just explained

01:24:40.560 and so I'm very confused

01:24:42.780 as to why we don't do that

01:24:44.100 if you believe the theology

01:24:45.940 that you've just explained

01:24:46.800 to me

01:24:47.260 would we do that

01:24:47.960 all over the world?

01:24:49.440 this is the only country

01:24:50.780 in the world

01:24:51.340 that you've said

01:24:52.100 has this covenant

01:24:54.560 with God

01:24:55.300 that this people

01:24:56.540 have a moral

01:24:57.680 and legal right

01:24:58.540 to the land

01:24:59.260 what about people

01:25:00.120 who convert to Judaism

01:25:01.140 would they have a right?

01:25:02.720 well you've just

01:25:03.500 you've just said

01:25:05.940 I mean there are

01:25:06.380 converts to Judaism

01:25:07.380 so you just told me

01:25:08.800 they can make Aliyah

01:25:09.620 they may not have

01:25:10.560 DNA

01:25:10.600 you've just told me

01:25:11.660 that it doesn't matter

01:25:13.320 you told me

01:25:14.580 moments ago

01:25:15.500 trying to keep track

01:25:16.640 that it doesn't matter

01:25:18.320 whether or not

01:25:19.280 you believe in God

01:25:20.580 or whether or not

01:25:21.180 you practice Torah Judaism

01:25:22.920 or rabbinic Judaism

01:25:23.980 which is something

01:25:24.640 else that I

01:25:25.700 I don't even know

01:25:26.940 if we should

01:25:27.280 I don't even know

01:25:27.800 what that means

01:25:28.380 but it doesn't matter

01:25:30.120 whether you're

01:25:30.400 quote a religious Jew

01:25:31.600 or not

01:25:32.380 what matters

01:25:33.740 is that you are part

01:25:35.160 of the Jewish people

01:25:36.600 to whom God gave this land

01:25:39.820 that extends

01:25:40.780 from the Nile

01:25:41.440 to the Euphrates

01:25:42.020 and so

01:25:43.300 if you believe that

01:25:44.500 wouldn't you want to know

01:25:45.940 with a burning passion

01:25:47.260 who those people are

01:25:48.760 and because of science

01:25:49.760 we can now know

01:25:50.640 who those people are

01:25:52.120 so why aren't we

01:25:53.720 finding out

01:25:54.700 I guess you could

01:25:56.680 propose a DNA test

01:25:58.340 for everybody

01:25:58.880 who comes here

01:25:59.700 everybody who lives here

01:26:00.740 but the point is

01:26:01.640 I'm comfortable

01:26:01.980 with secular nation states

01:26:03.100 where it's

01:26:04.620 none of this is done

01:26:05.680 on the basis of blood

01:26:06.780 I'm uncomfortable

01:26:07.920 with that

01:26:08.180 I'll just say that

01:26:08.880 but there are people

01:26:09.720 who may not have

01:26:10.640 bloodlines

01:26:11.380 but who have converted

01:26:12.320 to Judaism

01:26:13.040 are they going to be

01:26:14.880 able to live here

01:26:15.580 are you going to

01:26:15.940 kick them out

01:26:16.440 by your standards

01:26:17.460 they can't live here

01:26:18.380 because you've just

01:26:19.380 told me

01:26:20.000 that they have a right

01:26:21.200 to live here

01:26:21.740 because God gave them

01:26:23.000 the land

01:26:23.360 because they're

01:26:24.040 the descendants

01:26:24.900 of Abram

01:26:25.500 they're the descendants

01:26:26.340 of Abraham

01:26:26.880 but if they're

01:26:27.760 the spiritual descendants

01:26:28.780 of Abraham

01:26:29.340 and they've now

01:26:30.180 decided that they're

01:26:32.400 converting to Judaism

01:26:33.560 then do they have

01:26:35.880 a right to live

01:26:36.480 in Israel

01:26:36.840 well there's a whole

01:26:38.760 legal literature

01:26:39.760 in Israel

01:26:40.460 on that question

01:26:41.420 and my understanding

01:26:44.080 is that certain

01:26:45.240 types of modern

01:26:46.480 Judaism

01:26:46.980 qualify a person

01:26:48.260 and other types

01:26:49.480 don't

01:26:50.040 is that your

01:26:51.500 understanding

01:26:52.000 I don't believe

01:26:54.440 that people converted

01:26:55.520 and I could have

01:26:56.540 this wrong

01:26:56.900 but I know people

01:26:58.080 who face this person

01:26:59.260 I don't believe

01:27:00.880 people who've

01:27:01.560 converted

01:27:01.980 in a reform

01:27:03.060 synagogue

01:27:03.760 have the right

01:27:05.360 of return

01:27:05.780 I don't think that

01:27:06.920 because I know

01:27:07.560 people who've

01:27:07.980 married into

01:27:08.460 Jewish families

01:27:09.160 and they find out

01:27:10.440 they don't have

01:27:10.960 the right of return

01:27:11.840 so that is

01:27:13.560 perplexing to me

01:27:14.680 yeah I know

01:27:16.140 you know

01:27:16.800 my experience

01:27:17.380 is a little

01:27:17.780 different than yours

01:27:18.400 I know people

01:27:19.140 who have

01:27:21.640 definite Jewish

01:27:23.560 connections

01:27:25.180 family relations

01:27:27.900 but now they're

01:27:29.040 Christian

01:27:29.420 some are not

01:27:30.760 necessarily

01:27:31.300 practicing Jews

01:27:32.440 they're not

01:27:32.960 they're more

01:27:33.800 secular Jews

01:27:34.560 as you've discussed

01:27:35.360 but they come

01:27:36.540 back here

01:27:37.040 okay I'm not

01:27:37.980 against that

01:27:38.460 I've just

01:27:38.780 I'm just wondering

01:27:39.480 since you have

01:27:40.640 since you began

01:27:41.220 this conversation

01:27:41.860 by asking me

01:27:42.560 did I think

01:27:42.980 they had a right

01:27:43.600 to come here

01:27:44.140 yeah

01:27:44.540 my question was

01:27:45.960 on what basis

01:27:47.260 do they have the right

01:27:48.000 and you said

01:27:48.740 because God

01:27:49.380 granted it

01:27:50.060 yeah

01:27:50.340 and I also said

01:27:51.040 because that

01:27:51.540 there should be

01:27:52.120 a land where

01:27:52.660 Jews could live

01:27:53.480 in peace

01:27:54.740 and safety

01:27:55.140 and I asked you

01:27:56.300 what a Jew was

01:27:56.900 and you couldn't

01:27:57.340 answer it

01:27:57.820 you said

01:27:58.240 it partly is

01:27:59.740 religious

01:28:00.000 but doesn't

01:28:00.360 have to be

01:28:00.780 it's partly

01:28:01.120 genetic

01:28:01.420 but it doesn't

01:28:01.860 have to be

01:28:02.460 and so that

01:28:03.600 you can see

01:28:04.100 why I'm confused

01:28:04.520 I think I was

01:28:05.000 very clear

01:28:05.480 that being Jewish

01:28:07.160 is an identification

01:28:08.160 either through

01:28:09.540 blood

01:28:09.980 or through

01:28:10.880 faith

01:28:11.340 that you're

01:28:12.500 Jewish

01:28:12.840 it may be

01:28:14.280 that you're

01:28:14.740 a blood Jew

01:28:15.520 but you don't

01:28:17.020 necessarily

01:28:17.560 practice Judaism

01:28:18.640 just like there

01:28:19.280 are people

01:28:19.680 who say

01:28:20.160 they're Christian

01:28:20.740 but they don't

01:28:21.500 do a thing

01:28:22.160 to demonstrate

01:28:23.180 what Christian

01:28:23.840 there are a lot

01:28:24.120 of bad Christians

01:28:24.620 including me

01:28:25.200 some of the time

01:28:25.760 a lot of the time

01:28:26.540 but I don't have

01:28:27.980 a right

01:28:28.460 to real estate

01:28:30.120 on the basis

01:28:30.800 of my claim

01:28:31.420 of Christian

01:28:31.740 you don't have

01:28:31.980 a right

01:28:32.320 to real estate

01:28:33.260 if you're

01:28:34.160 talking about

01:28:34.540 a specific parcel

01:28:35.460 but if you're

01:28:36.480 talking about

01:28:36.960 a land

01:28:37.540 I think what

01:28:38.140 we're talking

01:28:38.640 about is

01:28:39.160 that's all

01:28:39.640 I'm saying

01:28:40.660 and there was

01:28:41.580 a designation

01:28:42.280 to the family

01:28:43.380 of nations

01:28:43.880 of the world

01:28:44.460 that there would

01:28:45.720 be a Jewish

01:28:46.320 homeland

01:28:47.020 let's get to

01:28:48.100 that point

01:28:48.700 because I think

01:28:49.200 you've taken us

01:28:50.440 on several trails

01:28:51.500 here and I'm not

01:28:52.140 sure we can

01:28:52.720 follow them all

01:28:54.400 but is there

01:28:56.260 a reason

01:28:57.060 that the Jewish

01:28:58.360 people that represent

01:28:59.360 and I want to

01:28:59.940 get back to this

01:29:00.560 because you didn't

01:29:00.900 let me finish

01:29:01.340 a while ago

01:29:01.800 they represent

01:29:03.000 0.2%

01:29:04.460 of the world's

01:29:05.040 population

01:29:05.620 in the entirety

01:29:07.120 of the world

01:29:07.540 there are about

01:29:07.860 16 million Jews

01:29:08.960 total

01:29:09.340 and 8 million

01:29:11.420 of them live here

01:29:12.160 the rest live

01:29:13.280 mostly in New York

01:29:14.840 or South Florida

01:29:15.480 and a few other places

01:29:16.840 okay

01:29:17.260 so this is a

01:29:19.240 small population

01:29:20.200 of people

01:29:20.700 they have

01:29:23.580 connection

01:29:24.060 to this land

01:29:24.840 historically

01:29:26.200 biblically

01:29:27.060 do they

01:29:28.020 yes they do

01:29:29.220 if bb's

01:29:30.560 family

01:29:31.620 we know they

01:29:32.200 lived in

01:29:32.540 Eastern Europe

01:29:33.120 there's no

01:29:33.780 evidence they

01:29:34.340 ever lived here

01:29:34.980 he's not

01:29:35.920 religious

01:29:36.380 but in what

01:29:37.040 ancestrally

01:29:37.560 do you have

01:29:39.240 his family tree

01:29:39.800 no we don't

01:29:40.620 do you

01:29:41.000 he doesn't

01:29:42.180 so no one

01:29:42.760 does that's

01:29:43.160 the point

01:29:43.580 so how do

01:29:44.140 we know

01:29:44.540 that he has

01:29:44.900 any connection

01:29:45.280 to the land

01:29:45.820 at all

01:29:46.280 and if there

01:29:46.800 has been

01:29:47.120 a practice

01:29:47.660 of Judaism

01:29:48.320 and a connection

01:29:49.500 to the language

01:29:50.160 the bible

01:29:50.700 the land

01:29:51.440 his ancestors

01:29:52.340 didn't

01:29:53.380 he doesn't

01:29:54.320 practice Judaism

01:29:55.400 in any rigorous

01:29:56.080 way

01:29:56.460 his ancestors

01:29:57.760 didn't live here

01:29:58.400 they didn't

01:29:58.780 speak the language

01:29:59.420 and there's no

01:29:59.920 evidence they

01:30:00.400 ever lived here

01:30:01.040 so on what

01:30:01.480 basis does he

01:30:02.280 have a right

01:30:02.540 to be here

01:30:03.060 he very much

01:30:03.080 speaks the

01:30:03.560 language

01:30:03.900 he has fought

01:30:05.120 for the land

01:30:05.720 his family

01:30:06.800 has fought

01:30:07.180 for the land

01:30:07.580 I feel like you're

01:30:07.640 dodging a very

01:30:08.720 obvious question

01:30:09.740 which is where

01:30:10.240 does this right

01:30:10.700 come from

01:30:11.240 and the reason

01:30:12.100 it's meaningful

01:30:12.600 is because there

01:30:13.780 are a lot of

01:30:14.580 people in

01:30:16.000 the territory

01:30:17.200 that Israel

01:30:17.700 controls today

01:30:18.540 particularly in

01:30:19.060 the West Bank

01:30:19.680 who through

01:30:22.220 genetic testing

01:30:22.860 we can know

01:30:23.720 their families

01:30:24.400 have been here

01:30:24.780 for thousands

01:30:25.240 of years

01:30:25.780 we don't know

01:30:26.660 whether they

01:30:26.960 practiced Judaism

01:30:27.700 whether they

01:30:28.100 were Samaritans

01:30:28.900 pre-Islam

01:30:30.880 we don't know

01:30:31.600 that

01:30:31.880 a lot of them

01:30:33.120 we know

01:30:33.400 have been

01:30:33.700 Christians

01:30:33.980 for 2,000

01:30:34.600 years

01:30:34.980 they

01:30:36.340 have less

01:30:38.660 of a right

01:30:39.400 to the land

01:30:40.640 than someone

01:30:41.660 whose ancestors

01:30:42.800 the only thing

01:30:43.660 we know about

01:30:44.040 them is they

01:30:44.400 lived in

01:30:45.000 Latvia

01:30:45.880 or Poland

01:30:46.700 they're Eastern

01:30:47.200 European

01:30:47.540 how does that

01:30:49.120 work

01:30:49.520 they're Jewish

01:30:50.500 by what

01:30:51.600 definition

01:30:52.060 they're Jewish

01:30:53.100 by their

01:30:53.640 but how do

01:30:54.400 we know

01:30:54.580 they have

01:30:54.820 any connection

01:30:55.320 they're Jewish

01:30:55.780 by their

01:30:56.260 faith

01:30:56.600 they're Jewish

01:30:57.160 by the

01:30:58.020 connection

01:30:58.480 to the

01:30:58.860 language

01:30:59.180 Jewish

01:31:00.040 by the

01:31:00.520 connection

01:31:00.820 to the

01:31:01.200 Torah

01:31:01.500 but how do

01:31:03.340 we know

01:31:03.680 that

01:31:03.920 Bibi

01:31:04.240 specifically

01:31:04.840 Bibi's

01:31:05.540 ancestors

01:31:06.040 ever lived

01:31:06.560 here

01:31:06.740 how do we

01:31:07.240 know that

01:31:07.620 I'm not

01:31:10.400 sure if I

01:31:10.940 understand

01:31:11.240 your question

01:31:11.840 how do we

01:31:12.800 know if

01:31:13.580 the Prime

01:31:13.960 Minister

01:31:14.260 of Israel's

01:31:15.340 ancestors

01:31:15.900 ever lived

01:31:17.020 maybe I

01:31:17.640 could ask

01:31:18.020 you how do

01:31:18.440 we know

01:31:18.660 they didn't

01:31:20.120 I mean

01:31:20.940 it's on the

01:31:21.580 basis of the

01:31:22.180 claim that

01:31:22.520 they did

01:31:23.140 that all

01:31:24.520 kinds of

01:31:24.960 things happen

01:31:25.440 people are

01:31:25.880 displaced

01:31:26.340 there's a

01:31:27.100 money flow

01:31:28.420 I mean

01:31:28.660 it's a big

01:31:29.280 question

01:31:29.740 a lot

01:31:30.180 hangs on

01:31:30.660 this

01:31:30.800 it's not

01:31:31.140 some theoretical

01:31:31.720 thing like

01:31:32.340 oh you know

01:31:33.260 do my

01:31:33.540 grandparents do

01:31:34.160 this or do

01:31:34.520 that

01:31:34.640 it's like

01:31:34.900 no no

01:31:35.220 we have a

01:31:35.560 right to be

01:31:35.920 here because

01:31:36.320 my ancestors

01:31:36.840 were here

01:31:37.160 okay how do

01:31:37.640 we know

01:31:37.800 they were

01:31:37.980 here

01:31:38.240 I'm totally

01:31:42.580 unable to

01:31:44.320 process what

01:31:44.980 you're trying

01:31:45.600 to get at

01:31:46.120 it goes back

01:31:47.540 do Jewish

01:31:48.600 people have

01:31:50.180 any land

01:31:51.520 on this

01:31:52.140 planet that

01:31:53.440 should be

01:31:53.920 theirs

01:31:54.360 I feel that

01:31:55.360 way about

01:31:55.760 all peoples

01:31:56.480 I feel that

01:31:57.100 way about

01:31:57.300 Jewish

01:31:57.540 peoples

01:31:57.900 I feel that

01:31:58.500 way about

01:31:58.860 okay then

01:31:59.260 then you

01:31:59.660 don't mind

01:32:00.120 them having

01:32:00.560 this

01:32:00.780 is there

01:32:00.920 any

01:32:01.260 is there

01:32:01.820 any

01:32:02.100 country

01:32:02.660 let me

01:32:03.000 ask you

01:32:03.300 this

01:32:03.480 bluntly

01:32:04.020 is there

01:32:04.460 any

01:32:04.740 country

01:32:05.240 that

01:32:06.180 European

01:32:06.720 peoples

01:32:07.480 have a

01:32:07.820 right to

01:32:08.140 exclusively

01:32:08.700 I think

01:32:11.320 they have

01:32:11.900 attained

01:32:12.760 their land

01:32:14.240 through

01:32:14.800 conquest

01:32:15.960 I mean

01:32:16.560 let's ask

01:32:17.340 ourselves

01:32:17.700 have the

01:32:17.780 Britons

01:32:18.040 attained

01:32:18.300 their land

01:32:18.780 through

01:32:18.980 conquest

01:32:19.420 or they've

01:32:19.780 always been

01:32:20.100 there

01:32:20.260 the Romans

01:32:20.800 the Greeks

01:32:21.420 we've had

01:32:21.840 all these

01:32:22.280 let's speak

01:32:22.940 no no

01:32:23.380 let's

01:32:23.620 well you

01:32:24.160 could certainly

01:32:24.500 say that

01:32:24.760 here the

01:32:24.980 Romans

01:32:25.280 the Romans

01:32:25.760 controlled

01:32:26.160 this as

01:32:26.580 you know

01:32:26.820 and they

01:32:27.040 expelled

01:32:27.320 all the

01:32:27.680 Jews

01:32:27.900 Jerusalem

01:32:28.400 amen

01:32:29.020 I don't

01:32:29.620 want them

01:32:29.840 to control

01:32:30.220 it

01:32:30.380 I'm anti-Roman

01:32:31.440 okay we're

01:32:31.860 on the same

01:32:32.140 page

01:32:32.340 okay

01:32:32.560 but my

01:32:33.840 question is

01:32:34.280 very simple

01:32:34.840 is there

01:32:36.040 any European

01:32:36.880 peoples that

01:32:37.820 possesses the

01:32:38.560 same right

01:32:39.360 to their

01:32:39.760 land that

01:32:40.240 the Jews

01:32:40.900 including people

01:32:41.700 whose ancestors

01:32:42.260 lived in

01:32:43.280 Eastern Europe

01:32:43.960 possess here

01:32:45.220 the Britons

01:32:46.380 we know

01:32:46.940 the British

01:32:47.440 people

01:32:47.800 the Scandinavian

01:32:48.460 people

01:32:48.960 the Irish

01:32:50.580 people

01:32:51.020 their ancestors

01:32:52.620 have been there

01:32:52.980 for thousands

01:32:53.360 of years

01:32:53.600 that's provable

01:32:54.260 through genetic

01:32:55.960 testing

01:32:56.320 do they have

01:32:57.580 a right

01:32:58.040 to their land

01:32:58.740 exclusively

01:32:59.300 is anyone

01:33:00.060 saying they

01:33:00.540 don't

01:33:00.860 yes

01:33:01.160 of course

01:33:02.060 yes

01:33:02.920 no one

01:33:04.260 will say

01:33:04.520 they will

01:33:04.880 and I'm

01:33:05.180 asking you

01:33:05.600 do they

01:33:05.900 have that

01:33:06.240 right

01:33:06.500 and I'm

01:33:08.620 not sure

01:33:08.960 what

01:33:09.200 what that

01:33:10.200 question

01:33:10.680 involves

01:33:11.320 because

01:33:11.760 no one

01:33:12.320 is trying

01:33:13.220 to force

01:33:13.900 them out

01:33:14.580 of their

01:33:15.040 land

01:33:15.560 of their

01:33:15.980 homes

01:33:16.420 but here

01:33:17.480 hold on

01:33:17.920 why won't

01:33:19.100 you answer

01:33:19.380 that question

01:33:19.900 because I

01:33:20.580 just did

01:33:21.180 so the

01:33:22.060 Irish

01:33:23.080 people

01:33:23.700 have the

01:33:24.260 same

01:33:24.580 right

01:33:24.940 to their

01:33:25.360 land

01:33:25.760 I don't

01:33:26.300 know that

01:33:26.560 they have

01:33:26.840 a biblical

01:33:27.460 connection

01:33:28.080 but I'm

01:33:29.180 a bible

01:33:29.960 believer

01:33:30.440 so that

01:33:31.200 is important

01:33:31.740 to me

01:33:32.080 it's also

01:33:32.440 a principle

01:33:33.120 and that

01:33:34.260 is

01:33:34.500 and you've

01:33:34.860 said it

01:33:35.180 15 times

01:33:35.840 sometimes

01:33:36.120 people have

01:33:36.720 land

01:33:36.960 because they

01:33:37.560 they were

01:33:38.840 able to

01:33:39.340 attain it

01:33:39.820 through war

01:33:40.440 they were

01:33:40.860 able to

01:33:41.280 attain it

01:33:41.680 when it

01:33:41.900 was challenged

01:33:42.460 I understand

01:33:42.940 that

01:33:43.220 there's all

01:33:43.660 kinds of

01:33:43.940 consulate

01:33:44.200 but we can't

01:33:44.820 say that

01:33:45.060 about the

01:33:45.300 Irish

01:33:45.520 the world

01:33:45.780 borders

01:33:46.360 change

01:33:47.020 all the

01:33:47.760 time

01:33:48.100 not

01:33:48.340 actually

01:33:48.820 the borders

01:33:49.560 of the

01:33:50.100 island

01:33:50.560 of England

01:33:51.220 have not

01:33:51.640 changed

01:33:51.920 nor

01:33:52.340 nor

01:33:53.180 the island

01:33:54.900 of Ireland

01:33:55.320 those are just

01:33:55.800 two examples

01:33:56.520 you've got

01:33:57.000 the indigenous

01:33:57.460 people there

01:33:58.220 do they have

01:33:59.400 a moral right

01:34:00.760 to that

01:34:01.440 as their

01:34:01.860 homeland

01:34:02.280 and I think

01:34:03.480 they would

01:34:03.760 probably say

01:34:04.500 yes we do

01:34:05.240 because we

01:34:05.640 have ancient

01:34:06.240 history to it

01:34:06.960 what do you think

01:34:07.220 I've never

01:34:08.880 thought about

01:34:09.480 whether

01:34:09.720 now that I'm

01:34:10.180 raising the

01:34:10.660 question

01:34:10.960 and you've

01:34:11.280 spent a lot

01:34:11.640 of time

01:34:11.880 thinking about

01:34:12.360 the right

01:34:12.660 of the

01:34:12.920 Jewish

01:34:13.100 people

01:34:13.320 to their

01:34:13.600 homeland

01:34:13.880 do the

01:34:14.560 Irish

01:34:14.840 have the

01:34:15.200 same

01:34:15.420 right

01:34:15.620 to a

01:34:15.880 homeland

01:34:16.200 as long

01:34:18.180 as they

01:34:18.440 can defend

01:34:18.880 it

01:34:19.060 and as

01:34:19.700 long

01:34:19.920 as they

01:34:20.240 can defend

01:34:21.480 it

01:34:21.780 but Tucker

01:34:22.240 here's the

01:34:22.700 point

01:34:22.900 wait a second

01:34:23.340 wait hold on

01:34:24.560 hold on

01:34:24.840 now you just

01:34:25.540 flip category

01:34:25.960 you're the

01:34:26.340 minister here

01:34:27.000 yeah and I'm

01:34:27.920 telling you

01:34:28.240 they can defend

01:34:29.280 it and if they

01:34:30.080 can't defend it

01:34:30.640 they lose the

01:34:31.200 right

01:34:31.280 tell you that

01:34:31.760 I think that

01:34:32.380 what is very

01:34:33.720 very special

01:34:34.320 here is that

01:34:35.080 there is a

01:34:35.700 biblical as

01:34:36.860 well as an

01:34:37.320 ethnic and a

01:34:38.720 historical so

01:34:40.160 you can take

01:34:40.720 any one but if

01:34:41.560 you add them

01:34:42.020 all together

01:34:42.800 biblical historical

01:34:44.020 and ethnic you

01:34:45.560 have a very

01:34:45.980 strong case that

01:34:47.500 the Jewish people

01:34:48.220 are living in a

01:34:48.880 land that is

01:34:49.760 indigenous to

01:34:50.540 them that has

01:34:51.640 been their

01:34:52.020 historic homeland

01:34:52.920 for 3800 years

01:34:54.040 you can repeat

01:34:54.520 it and you can

01:34:55.240 also look in the

01:34:56.020 archaeology the

01:34:56.920 stones cry out

01:34:58.260 okay you've been

01:34:58.980 to the city of

01:34:59.500 David for a

01:35:00.040 so you know

01:35:01.660 then that

01:35:02.860 and I love it

01:35:03.800 it's an amazing

01:35:04.940 place it may be

01:35:05.700 the greatest

01:35:06.100 archaeological discovery

01:35:07.280 in all of history

01:35:08.240 because it's

01:35:09.560 stunning and they

01:35:11.120 still continue to

01:35:12.100 find things that

01:35:13.000 date the Jewish

01:35:14.320 people to this

01:35:15.700 land archaeologically

01:35:16.940 for 3800 years

01:35:18.780 we can date the

01:35:20.180 Britain the British

01:35:21.120 people to their

01:35:21.880 land much longer

01:35:22.680 much thousands of

01:35:24.200 years longer

01:35:24.620 Stonehenge is

01:35:25.300 3000 years older

01:35:26.540 than any building

01:35:28.160 built by

01:35:29.420 the descendants

01:35:30.600 of Abram in

01:35:31.500 this country

01:35:31.980 and so I

01:35:32.580 just it's fine

01:35:33.460 yeah I'm not

01:35:34.440 trying to invalidate

01:35:35.200 anyone's right

01:35:35.880 I'm just wanting

01:35:36.680 you to affirm

01:35:37.360 that right but

01:35:37.860 it makes you

01:35:38.240 uncomfortable and

01:35:38.920 you won't and

01:35:39.580 I don't know why

01:35:40.120 because I've never

01:35:41.280 honestly sat down

01:35:42.340 and asked myself

01:35:43.540 are the lines

01:35:45.520 around the

01:35:46.440 it's an island

01:35:47.100 so we know what

01:35:47.640 the lines are

01:35:48.320 I'm saying but

01:35:49.400 are those lines

01:35:50.400 are those rooted

01:35:52.800 in something other

01:35:54.380 than the historical

01:35:55.940 connection well

01:35:57.060 great then they

01:35:57.900 should have it

01:35:58.900 but that's a

01:35:59.480 question

01:35:59.820 but then you

01:36:00.440 said if they

01:36:00.820 can defend it

01:36:01.540 and if they

01:36:01.900 can't defend it

01:36:02.340 they lose the

01:36:02.780 right

01:36:03.000 but I didn't

01:36:03.880 say it was

01:36:04.220 exclusive one or

01:36:04.980 the other I

01:36:05.440 think you're

01:36:05.860 really going off

01:36:07.080 the trail

01:36:07.580 I just want to

01:36:07.940 know if these

01:36:08.600 principles apply

01:36:09.440 universally or if

01:36:10.240 they only apply to

01:36:11.180 the people of

01:36:11.660 Israel

01:36:11.920 and my answer

01:36:12.920 appears to be

01:36:13.720 just the people

01:36:14.180 of Israel

01:36:14.500 they're the only

01:36:14.880 ones with these

01:36:15.360 rights and I

01:36:15.840 just reject that

01:36:16.600 I didn't say

01:36:17.660 that but I'm

01:36:18.700 saying we are

01:36:19.700 talking about

01:36:20.600 Israel we're in

01:36:22.100 Israel we're

01:36:23.260 talking about

01:36:23.760 Christian Zionism

01:36:24.580 because you've

01:36:25.180 made some

01:36:25.540 disparaging statements

01:36:26.540 about Christian Zionist

01:36:27.540 you've apologized

01:36:28.620 for which I

01:36:29.500 appreciate and

01:36:30.660 now we're trying

01:36:31.220 to define Christian

01:36:32.280 and Zionist and

01:36:34.180 it seems like we've

01:36:35.000 gone way way off

01:36:36.700 of that

01:36:37.100 as you suggested

01:36:38.060 as a former

01:36:38.580 debater at the

01:36:39.180 outset I'm trying

01:36:39.840 to get to terms

01:36:40.540 and a common

01:36:41.060 understanding of

01:36:41.640 what the words

01:36:42.120 mean and I'm

01:36:43.480 no closer to

01:36:44.360 that than I was

01:36:45.600 when I began

01:36:46.140 you're not closer

01:36:46.920 to the term

01:36:47.400 Christian what

01:36:48.040 that means

01:36:48.520 I think it's

01:36:49.520 someone who

01:36:49.840 follows Jesus

01:36:50.480 and that's my

01:36:51.360 next question

01:36:52.040 there are a lot

01:36:52.620 of Christians in

01:36:53.320 the West Bank

01:36:53.940 and there

01:36:58.920 there were a

01:36:59.540 fair amount of

01:37:00.000 Christians in

01:37:00.520 Gaza and some

01:37:02.320 of them have

01:37:02.700 been killed

01:37:03.140 there were

01:37:03.640 5,000 in

01:37:04.460 Gaza

01:37:04.740 yeah

01:37:05.340 yeah

01:37:05.960 and church

01:37:08.420 two different

01:37:08.960 churches were

01:37:09.820 hit by the

01:37:11.500 IDF

01:37:12.020 Christian hospital

01:37:12.940 was hit seven

01:37:13.500 times by the

01:37:14.060 IDF

01:37:14.400 and I don't

01:37:14.980 understand

01:37:15.580 they were not

01:37:16.540 hit seven times

01:37:17.520 they were

01:37:17.920 there were

01:37:18.860 different

01:37:19.240 I know

01:37:19.860 and one of

01:37:20.540 the times

01:37:20.960 it was a

01:37:21.600 rocket that

01:37:22.140 was shot

01:37:22.540 by Hamas

01:37:23.640 and all

01:37:24.980 the news

01:37:25.380 agencies

01:37:25.820 reported that

01:37:26.540 the IDF

01:37:27.460 shot the

01:37:28.080 rocket

01:37:28.400 they said

01:37:29.180 the IDF

01:37:29.700 ever hit

01:37:30.080 the hospital

01:37:30.520 or the

01:37:30.800 churches

01:37:31.120 they did

01:37:31.760 why

01:37:32.620 accidentally

01:37:33.300 because

01:37:34.120 and they

01:37:34.460 apologized

01:37:34.900 for it

01:37:35.480 and it

01:37:36.480 was very

01:37:36.880 unfortunate

01:37:37.300 but they

01:37:37.840 also

01:37:38.220 you've got

01:37:39.080 to remember

01:37:39.460 there were

01:37:39.760 times

01:37:40.200 Hamas

01:37:41.240 often hid

01:37:42.220 caches

01:37:43.000 of arms

01:37:43.760 under

01:37:44.640 hospitals

01:37:45.280 were you

01:37:45.700 bothered

01:37:46.020 by the

01:37:46.400 fact that

01:37:46.880 the IDF

01:37:47.820 hit

01:37:49.020 Christians

01:37:49.680 I'm

01:37:50.760 bothered

01:37:51.040 that anyone

01:37:51.780 got killed

01:37:52.460 in Gaza

01:37:52.940 but you

01:37:53.340 know why

01:37:53.640 I'm bothered

01:37:54.020 because here's

01:37:55.340 the thing

01:37:55.700 you can't

01:37:55.980 say that the

01:37:56.460 Christians are

01:37:56.940 Islamic extremists

01:37:57.880 no but I can

01:37:58.900 say that

01:37:59.300 I would expect

01:37:59.940 you to side

01:38:00.420 with the

01:38:00.740 Christians over

01:38:01.340 the secular

01:38:01.760 government of

01:38:02.300 Israel

01:38:02.680 but I would

01:38:03.640 look at it

01:38:04.140 even more

01:38:04.700 broadly

01:38:05.040 I would

01:38:05.480 ask you

01:38:05.920 this

01:38:06.280 why was

01:38:07.660 there so

01:38:08.020 much

01:38:08.180 suffering

01:38:08.560 and continues

01:38:09.500 to be

01:38:09.840 suffering

01:38:10.120 in Gaza

01:38:10.580 it's because

01:38:11.780 Hamas

01:38:12.420 which could

01:38:13.700 have built

01:38:14.020 a Singapore

01:38:14.540 built a

01:38:15.100 Haiti

01:38:15.360 they have

01:38:16.660 a land

01:38:17.060 mass the

01:38:17.540 size of

01:38:17.960 Las Vegas

01:38:18.620 they built

01:38:19.660 tunnels

01:38:20.120 underneath

01:38:20.720 that are

01:38:22.380 larger than

01:38:23.040 the London

01:38:23.440 underground

01:38:23.940 over 500

01:38:24.640 miles of

01:38:25.320 tunnels

01:38:25.600 they didn't

01:38:25.980 build it

01:38:26.280 to move

01:38:26.680 people from

01:38:27.300 one hospital

01:38:27.880 to the

01:38:28.220 other

01:38:28.440 one marketplace

01:38:29.400 to the

01:38:29.820 other

01:38:30.040 but to

01:38:30.620 hide

01:38:30.860 terrorists

01:38:31.380 to hide

01:38:32.100 weaponry

01:38:32.660 and on

01:38:33.460 October the

01:38:34.040 7th

01:38:34.340 they went

01:38:34.620 over there

01:38:34.940 and they

01:38:35.180 massacred

01:38:35.820 1200

01:38:36.360 civilians

01:38:37.240 massacred

01:38:38.480 mutilated

01:38:39.160 humiliated

01:38:40.740 them

01:38:40.980 you're never

01:38:41.660 going to get

01:38:42.040 me to defend

01:38:42.560 Hamas

01:38:42.920 sorry

01:38:43.440 please don't

01:38:44.200 I'm not

01:38:44.740 going to

01:38:45.320 but I'm

01:38:45.760 I'm appalled

01:38:46.960 by it

01:38:47.400 how many

01:38:47.820 civilians

01:38:48.200 have been

01:38:48.540 killed

01:38:48.880 by the

01:38:49.160 IDF

01:38:49.480 in Gaza

01:38:49.860 we don't

01:38:50.600 know

01:38:50.880 what's your

01:38:52.540 guess

01:38:52.840 well the

01:38:53.500 only numbers

01:38:54.000 we have

01:38:54.400 come from

01:38:54.860 this dubious

01:38:55.700 entity called

01:38:56.460 the Gaza

01:38:57.020 health ministry

01:38:57.760 you know who

01:38:58.100 that is

01:38:58.540 well why doesn't

01:38:59.400 Israel have

01:39:00.200 some kind of

01:39:02.700 count on it

01:39:03.180 we also know

01:39:03.860 that a lot of

01:39:04.620 the people who

01:39:05.100 were killed

01:39:05.460 were in fact

01:39:06.220 warriors

01:39:06.600 sadly

01:39:07.160 how many kids

01:39:07.860 were killed

01:39:08.240 we don't

01:39:09.100 know

01:39:09.440 what's your

01:39:10.620 guess

01:39:10.980 I don't

01:39:12.400 know

01:39:12.640 I'm sure

01:39:13.380 it was

01:39:13.760 thousands

01:39:14.400 and it's

01:39:15.340 thousands

01:39:15.640 some of

01:39:17.140 the kids

01:39:17.500 who were

01:39:17.740 killed

01:39:18.120 had been

01:39:19.000 recruited

01:39:19.460 to be

01:39:20.520 in the

01:39:21.420 military

01:39:21.960 kids as

01:39:23.120 young as

01:39:23.500 14 years

01:39:24.540 old

01:39:24.940 do you

01:39:26.900 hear yourself

01:39:27.560 I wonder

01:39:28.320 I just

01:39:28.720 said that

01:39:29.220 there were

01:39:29.540 kids as

01:39:29.940 young as

01:39:30.260 14 that

01:39:30.840 were recruited

01:39:31.480 to be

01:39:31.820 Hamas

01:39:32.220 soldiers

01:39:33.080 who were

01:39:33.860 given

01:39:34.080 arms

01:39:34.620 how do

01:39:35.180 you feel

01:39:35.580 about the

01:39:36.040 kids being

01:39:36.420 killed

01:39:36.680 I think

01:39:36.960 it's

01:39:37.120 horrible

01:39:37.520 you know

01:39:38.300 what I

01:39:38.480 also think

01:39:38.840 is horrible

01:39:39.260 I think

01:39:40.000 it's

01:39:40.200 horrible

01:39:40.620 that 1200

01:39:41.140 people were

01:39:41.820 slaughtered

01:39:42.400 by people

01:39:43.020 across the

01:39:43.560 border

01:39:43.780 and 252

01:39:45.360 people were

01:39:45.900 taken hostage

01:39:46.600 48 of the

01:39:47.800 1200 were

01:39:48.640 Americans

01:39:49.180 three more

01:39:49.720 and then

01:39:50.580 when

01:39:51.080 Hamas

01:39:52.900 could have

01:39:53.920 ended this

01:39:54.600 on October

01:39:55.080 the 8th

01:39:55.440 and given

01:39:55.700 all the

01:39:56.040 hostages

01:39:56.460 up they

01:39:56.820 didn't

01:39:58.080 leaving

01:39:58.460 no choice

01:39:59.240 you're never

01:39:59.860 going to get me

01:40:00.480 to defend

01:40:00.900 Hamas

01:40:01.320 I'm not

01:40:02.220 pro Hamas

01:40:02.860 I'm totally

01:40:03.980 opposed to

01:40:04.560 slaughtering

01:40:04.940 innocents

01:40:05.340 whether Hamas

01:40:06.360 does it

01:40:06.820 or whether

01:40:07.520 the government

01:40:07.980 of Israel

01:40:08.380 does it

01:40:08.740 in much

01:40:09.280 larger numbers

01:40:10.320 and the reason

01:40:11.020 I'm opposed

01:40:11.520 to it

01:40:11.940 is because

01:40:12.720 I'm a

01:40:13.000 Christian

01:40:13.300 and I

01:40:13.720 believe

01:40:14.060 that all

01:40:14.720 souls

01:40:15.220 are created

01:40:15.680 by God

01:40:16.260 I

01:40:16.660 do not

01:40:17.840 disagree

01:40:18.220 with that

01:40:18.640 wholeheartedly

01:40:19.420 but I

01:40:19.780 said how

01:40:20.200 many children

01:40:20.860 have been

01:40:21.760 killed

01:40:21.820 war is a

01:40:22.340 horrible thing

01:40:22.960 period

01:40:23.300 and we

01:40:24.300 don't know

01:40:24.740 we know

01:40:25.100 that a lot

01:40:25.520 of the

01:40:25.720 numbers

01:40:26.060 were reported

01:40:27.720 by Hamas

01:40:27.940 but you said

01:40:28.220 you think

01:40:28.580 thousands of

01:40:29.380 children have

01:40:29.960 been killed

01:40:30.440 yeah and a lot

01:40:31.120 of times

01:40:31.420 you know why

01:40:31.760 they got killed

01:40:32.260 because Hamas

01:40:33.020 would gather

01:40:33.560 up the

01:40:34.720 children

01:40:35.140 and put them

01:40:36.340 in the

01:40:37.100 targets

01:40:37.580 do you know

01:40:38.240 what Israel

01:40:38.620 does

01:40:39.080 they send

01:40:40.720 page messages

01:40:41.840 and they send

01:40:43.300 texts to every

01:40:44.480 cell phone in

01:40:45.240 Gaza and they

01:40:45.960 say we're going

01:40:46.380 to hit this

01:40:46.820 particular target

01:40:47.700 they drop

01:40:48.820 leaflets and

01:40:50.060 they announce

01:40:50.620 where they're

01:40:51.000 going to hit

01:40:51.360 nobody does

01:40:52.160 that

01:40:52.460 the US

01:40:53.280 doesn't do

01:40:53.820 that

01:40:54.140 Israel does

01:40:55.360 that in

01:40:55.940 order to

01:40:56.560 prevent

01:40:57.020 let me finish

01:40:57.760 this they do

01:40:58.600 this in order

01:40:59.400 to prevent

01:41:00.020 civilian

01:41:00.600 casualties

01:41:01.720 what Hamas

01:41:03.280 does

01:41:03.660 they say

01:41:04.700 oh this is

01:41:05.440 the target

01:41:05.960 and by gun

01:41:07.180 point they

01:41:07.960 push people

01:41:08.720 into those

01:41:09.480 various places

01:41:10.340 and then when

01:41:11.540 people get

01:41:12.100 killed

01:41:12.500 they say look

01:41:13.560 Israel just

01:41:14.100 slaughtered these

01:41:14.680 people even

01:41:15.320 though it was

01:41:15.820 Hamas who

01:41:16.460 moved them

01:41:17.040 into harm's

01:41:17.880 way knowing

01:41:18.480 that it was

01:41:19.300 going to put

01:41:19.960 them in a

01:41:20.440 place of

01:41:21.540 danger and

01:41:22.360 death and

01:41:22.980 destruction and

01:41:24.060 they do that

01:41:24.720 because they

01:41:25.380 don't care you

01:41:26.280 say you care

01:41:26.960 about life I

01:41:27.700 care about

01:41:28.200 life it's

01:41:29.640 interesting that

01:41:30.280 they don't care

01:41:31.080 about life

01:41:31.960 I'm not saying

01:41:32.460 that Hamas does

01:41:33.260 you're never

01:41:33.820 going to get me

01:41:34.300 to defend Hamas

01:41:35.080 I'm good I'm

01:41:35.840 anti-Hamas

01:41:36.280 said that three

01:41:36.820 times and I

01:41:37.440 believe your

01:41:38.300 dig at the

01:41:39.040 United States

01:41:39.580 is very

01:41:39.920 revealing

01:41:40.380 why is it

01:41:41.580 revealing

01:41:41.940 because your

01:41:43.060 priorities are

01:41:43.980 very clear

01:41:44.620 no no no

01:41:45.220 yes they

01:41:45.680 are no

01:41:46.200 yes they

01:41:46.780 are and

01:41:47.160 as an

01:41:47.420 American

01:41:47.720 permit me

01:41:48.280 a moment

01:41:48.680 okay of

01:41:49.480 outrage

01:41:49.880 because I

01:41:51.300 said many

01:41:53.340 civilians have

01:41:53.960 been killed

01:41:54.360 yeah you

01:41:54.980 said right in

01:41:55.800 the middle of

01:41:56.540 your elaborate

01:41:57.320 defense of the

01:41:58.140 IDF's killing

01:41:59.160 of civilians

01:41:59.720 including children

01:42:00.540 you said they

01:42:01.740 do a better

01:42:02.280 job than the

01:42:03.220 United States

01:42:03.660 does that's my

01:42:04.160 country and

01:42:04.800 my government

01:42:05.320 it's my

01:42:05.880 country

01:42:06.300 what flag am I

01:42:07.520 wearing here

01:42:08.020 well I'm asking

01:42:09.620 why is it

01:42:10.660 what flag am I

01:42:11.180 wearing

01:42:11.420 well that's of

01:42:12.480 course my flag

01:42:13.280 as well

01:42:13.740 and it's my

01:42:14.360 flag it's who I

01:42:15.220 serve

01:42:15.440 so why the

01:42:16.000 dig at the

01:42:16.340 United States

01:42:16.980 it's not a

01:42:17.840 dig at them

01:42:18.580 it was

01:42:18.700 no no no no

01:42:19.480 you you've

01:42:20.060 totally misrepresented

01:42:20.940 what did you

01:42:21.360 mean by that

01:42:21.900 I did not take

01:42:23.080 a dig at the

01:42:23.840 U.S.

01:42:24.360 what I'm saying

01:42:24.980 is the IDF is

01:42:25.680 more humane than

01:42:26.280 the U.S.

01:42:26.780 I'm saying

01:42:27.240 military

01:42:27.580 no I'm just

01:42:28.540 saying that

01:42:29.060 Israel takes

01:42:30.000 steps that

01:42:30.680 we don't

01:42:31.260 take and

01:42:31.680 no other

01:42:32.240 country that

01:42:32.860 I'm aware

01:42:33.280 of takes

01:42:33.800 to try to

01:42:34.720 prevent

01:42:35.020 because no

01:42:35.860 matter what

01:42:36.280 Israel does

01:42:36.880 they're going

01:42:37.860 to get accused

01:42:38.360 of genocide

01:42:39.140 that may be

01:42:39.540 right and

01:42:40.200 I'm just

01:42:41.260 telling you

01:42:41.700 that they

01:42:42.020 but then let

01:42:42.400 me ask you

01:42:42.880 on that

01:42:43.100 question

01:42:43.340 that's such

01:42:45.000 a politically

01:42:45.360 loaded

01:42:45.640 but I resent

01:42:46.340 the idea

01:42:46.820 that you

01:42:47.100 think that

01:42:47.460 I'm not

01:42:47.780 loyal to

01:42:48.320 the U.S.

01:42:48.740 you just

01:42:49.340 said

01:42:49.620 look I'm

01:42:50.540 not saying

01:42:51.000 you're not

01:42:51.220 loyal I'm

01:42:52.000 merely noting

01:42:53.040 what you

01:42:53.320 just said

01:42:53.820 which was

01:42:54.460 that the

01:42:55.040 IDF

01:42:55.920 takes greater

01:42:57.200 pains in

01:42:57.800 the U.S.

01:42:58.200 military does

01:42:59.520 to spare

01:43:00.300 civilian lives

01:43:01.160 and I guess

01:43:01.780 my question

01:43:02.500 is when

01:43:03.500 was the

01:43:03.840 last time

01:43:04.660 the U.S.

01:43:05.380 military killed

01:43:06.300 this many

01:43:06.960 civilians

01:43:07.580 do you know

01:43:08.740 well it

01:43:09.980 could have

01:43:10.180 been Nagasaki

01:43:10.960 Hiroshima

01:43:11.720 could have

01:43:12.620 been Iraq

01:43:13.780 Afghanistan

01:43:14.500 we don't

01:43:15.960 know the

01:43:16.220 full number

01:43:16.540 and I

01:43:16.760 think most

01:43:17.440 Christians

01:43:17.920 would say

01:43:18.280 all of those

01:43:18.760 things were

01:43:19.100 atrocities

01:43:19.640 because

01:43:20.000 innocents

01:43:20.400 were killed

01:43:20.740 in large

01:43:21.080 numbers

01:43:21.480 and we

01:43:21.900 don't

01:43:22.240 believe in

01:43:22.640 that

01:43:22.920 and

01:43:24.280 so that's

01:43:26.040 not really

01:43:26.380 a defense

01:43:26.960 is it

01:43:27.400 war is a

01:43:28.040 horrible

01:43:28.340 thing

01:43:28.660 Tucker

01:43:28.940 and there

01:43:29.380 are people

01:43:29.820 who end

01:43:30.400 up

01:43:30.700 unfortunately

01:43:31.960 being killed

01:43:32.680 that shouldn't

01:43:33.080 have been

01:43:33.400 I would tell

01:43:34.620 you that

01:43:34.960 I wish

01:43:35.720 that none

01:43:36.180 of those

01:43:36.480 people

01:43:36.840 in Gaza

01:43:37.620 had been

01:43:38.640 killed

01:43:39.020 after October

01:43:39.940 the 8th

01:43:40.160 well I say

01:43:40.660 not none

01:43:41.160 of them

01:43:41.680 I'm glad

01:43:42.260 Mohammed

01:43:42.960 Sinwar

01:43:43.340 was killed

01:43:43.820 I'm glad

01:43:44.300 that some

01:43:44.660 of those

01:43:44.940 warriors

01:43:45.320 the people

01:43:45.800 who masterminded

01:43:46.680 and carried

01:43:47.220 out the

01:43:47.840 atrocities

01:43:48.420 like

01:43:48.620 14 year old

01:43:49.400 Hamas

01:43:49.840 operatives

01:43:50.380 how do you

01:43:50.760 feel about

01:43:51.040 their deaths

01:43:51.480 if they

01:43:52.160 participated

01:43:52.700 in that

01:43:53.380 then

01:43:54.360 God

01:43:55.580 help

01:43:55.860 them

01:43:56.020 I'm telling

01:43:57.060 you

01:43:57.200 what does

01:43:57.380 that mean

01:43:57.740 God

01:43:57.940 I don't

01:43:58.240 know

01:43:58.360 that they

01:43:58.640 were 14

01:43:59.640 years

01:43:59.940 no but

01:44:00.420 I'm telling

01:44:00.800 you

01:44:01.060 that when

01:44:01.800 someone commits

01:44:02.640 the acts

01:44:03.140 of atrocity

01:44:03.840 and then

01:44:04.800 they hold

01:44:05.320 hostages

01:44:05.840 if these

01:44:06.240 were your

01:44:06.580 children being

01:44:07.140 held hostage

01:44:07.700 in Gaza

01:44:08.400 what would

01:44:09.600 you do

01:44:09.820 to get

01:44:10.060 them out

01:44:10.340 I wouldn't

01:44:10.700 want to

01:44:10.920 kill 14

01:44:11.420 year olds

01:44:11.780 I'll tell

01:44:12.180 you that

01:44:12.520 let me

01:44:12.760 ask you

01:44:13.100 something

01:44:13.340 would you

01:44:13.720 do

01:44:13.940 whatever

01:44:14.360 it took

01:44:14.800 to get

01:44:15.060 your kids

01:44:15.460 back

01:44:15.720 if they

01:44:15.960 were being

01:44:16.280 tortured

01:44:16.680 raped

01:44:17.060 starved

01:44:17.520 I would

01:44:17.640 not kill

01:44:18.000 children

01:44:18.420 period

01:44:18.780 well I'm

01:44:19.860 just telling

01:44:20.300 you

01:44:20.620 and I

01:44:21.100 would never

01:44:21.400 make excuses

01:44:22.060 for killing

01:44:22.520 children

01:44:22.860 either

01:44:23.180 and I'm

01:44:23.720 not talking

01:44:24.220 about

01:44:24.520 targeting

01:44:25.160 children

01:44:25.620 I'm talking

01:44:26.140 about

01:44:26.360 you told

01:44:26.580 me that

01:44:26.880 14 year olds

01:44:27.620 deserve to

01:44:28.180 die because

01:44:28.640 they're working

01:44:29.060 for him

01:44:29.400 I'm telling

01:44:30.000 you

01:44:30.180 my question

01:44:30.680 is can

01:44:31.000 you hear

01:44:31.260 yourself

01:44:31.700 I do

01:44:32.280 hear

01:44:32.480 myself

01:44:32.980 so do

01:44:33.420 you think

01:44:33.580 a 14 year

01:44:34.120 old child

01:44:34.520 has agency

01:44:35.100 do you think

01:44:36.220 that he

01:44:36.480 deserves to

01:44:37.120 die because

01:44:37.680 he's being

01:44:38.040 used by

01:44:38.480 adults

01:44:38.820 isn't his

01:44:39.220 death a

01:44:39.660 crushing

01:44:39.980 tragedy

01:44:40.260 if he's

01:44:40.500 holding a

01:44:40.980 gun

01:44:41.240 and he's

01:44:42.400 pointing it

01:44:42.980 at someone

01:44:43.540 who's trying

01:44:44.080 to save

01:44:48.780 I'm telling

01:44:49.540 you war

01:44:50.060 is a

01:44:50.340 horrible

01:44:50.620 thing

01:44:51.020 it's a

01:44:51.800 horrible

01:44:52.160 thing

01:44:52.420 and a lot

01:44:52.900 of innocent

01:44:53.360 people die

01:44:54.120 I'm the one who

01:44:54.200 thinks war

01:44:54.620 is a horrible

01:44:55.080 thing

01:44:55.360 I'm trying

01:44:57.320 to explain

01:44:57.740 how horrible

01:44:58.120 it is

01:44:58.440 and you're

01:44:58.820 saying that

01:44:59.180 the 14

01:44:59.600 year old

01:44:59.820 deserved

01:45:00.100 to die

01:45:00.600 we don't

01:45:01.420 execute

01:45:01.700 14 year

01:45:02.180 olds

01:45:02.240 I don't

01:45:03.620 know

01:45:03.780 what

01:45:03.940 you're

01:45:04.140 saying

01:45:04.420 I never

01:45:04.760 said

01:45:05.140 deserve

01:45:05.860 to die

01:45:06.600 I say

01:45:07.340 there are

01:45:07.640 people

01:45:07.920 who die

01:45:08.480 that is

01:45:09.220 unfortunate

01:45:09.740 but I'm

01:45:10.720 saying that

01:45:11.160 you are

01:45:11.900 not giving

01:45:12.360 Israel credit

01:45:13.120 for having

01:45:13.780 done

01:45:14.140 everything

01:45:14.660 they possibly

01:45:15.460 could

01:45:15.880 to a level

01:45:17.060 that quite

01:45:17.520 frankly in

01:45:18.160 urban warfare

01:45:18.880 there has

01:45:19.880 never been

01:45:20.380 a war

01:45:20.760 that has

01:45:21.220 been documented

01:45:21.540 Israel but

01:45:22.220 it's a

01:45:22.500 foreign

01:45:22.720 country

01:45:23.120 and I

01:45:23.400 would much

01:45:23.700 rather

01:45:23.900 criticize

01:45:24.280 a foreign

01:45:24.640 country

01:45:24.920 than my

01:45:25.260 own

01:45:25.580 feel free

01:45:26.320 to do

01:45:26.620 that

01:45:26.820 they can

01:45:27.160 but you

01:45:27.580 pivoted

01:45:28.120 against

01:45:28.540 our

01:45:29.560 country

01:45:30.060 no

01:45:30.460 Israel

01:45:31.060 has done

01:45:31.300 a better

01:45:31.580 job

01:45:31.920 than our

01:45:32.220 military

01:45:32.500 no

01:45:32.980 I simply

01:45:33.680 gave you

01:45:34.660 the

01:45:35.000 illustration

01:45:35.580 and I

01:45:36.300 helped

01:45:36.560 you

01:45:36.700 understand

01:45:37.240 that

01:45:38.120 Israel

01:45:38.480 goes

01:45:38.900 to

01:45:39.140 links

01:45:39.520 that

01:45:39.720 no

01:45:39.960 other

01:45:40.180 country

01:45:40.560 including

01:45:41.160 ours

01:45:41.560 goes

01:45:41.900 to

01:45:42.200 in

01:45:42.900 the

01:45:43.080 middle

01:45:43.320 of an

01:45:43.660 urban

01:45:43.940 war

01:45:44.400 and yet

01:45:45.060 Israel

01:45:47.520 fewer

01:45:47.900 civilian

01:45:48.520 deaths

01:45:49.060 in an

01:45:49.700 urban

01:45:49.960 war

01:45:50.320 than

01:45:50.620 any

01:45:50.940 urban

01:45:51.260 war

01:45:51.600 of

01:45:51.880 record

01:45:52.280 you

01:45:52.480 said

01:45:52.620 you

01:45:52.720 didn't

01:45:52.860 know

01:45:52.980 how many

01:45:53.280 civilian

01:45:53.840 deaths

01:45:54.020 there

01:45:54.200 were

01:45:54.460 so how

01:45:54.800 can you

01:45:55.060 say

01:45:55.220 that

01:45:55.380 if you

01:45:55.600 took

01:45:55.920 Gaza's

01:45:57.040 numbers

01:45:57.760 Hamas

01:45:58.380 numbers

01:45:58.700 you said

01:45:58.940 you didn't

01:45:59.220 know what

01:45:59.520 the numbers

01:45:59.900 are

01:46:00.240 we don't

01:46:00.640 you just

01:46:00.860 told me

01:46:01.180 that

01:46:01.320 how can

01:46:01.800 you say

01:46:02.040 it's a

01:46:02.340 lower

01:46:02.500 number

01:46:02.920 but if

01:46:03.520 you took

01:46:03.900 the numbers

01:46:04.320 that they

01:46:04.640 reported

01:46:04.980 which is

01:46:05.320 like 50,000

01:46:06.280 24,000

01:46:06.920 25,000

01:46:07.840 of those

01:46:08.180 were actual

01:46:08.780 warriors

01:46:09.280 how many

01:46:10.080 civilians

01:46:10.520 if you

01:46:10.920 if you

01:46:11.260 take

01:46:11.560 all

01:46:11.880 those

01:46:12.080 range

01:46:12.600 from

01:46:12.840 120,000

01:46:14.160 to 78

01:46:14.880 those ones

01:46:15.640 I just

01:46:15.960 read

01:46:16.140 I don't

01:46:16.360 know if

01:46:16.540 that's

01:46:16.720 real

01:46:16.940 I don't

01:46:17.600 know

01:46:17.880 either

01:46:18.360 I'm asking

01:46:18.940 you

01:46:19.220 those numbers

01:46:20.760 I've not

01:46:21.720 heard

01:46:22.120 have not

01:46:23.000 read

01:46:23.300 the numbers

01:46:23.840 that I think

01:46:24.440 are more

01:46:24.840 reportable

01:46:25.440 are somewhere

01:46:25.860 in the

01:46:26.140 60,000

01:46:26.800 range

01:46:27.160 where do

01:46:27.520 those

01:46:27.640 come from

01:46:28.160 from the

01:46:29.660 Gaza

01:46:29.960 health

01:46:30.280 ministry

01:46:30.800 which is

01:46:31.320 from

01:46:31.620 I think

01:46:32.960 they are

01:46:33.420 I don't

01:46:34.220 think that

01:46:34.520 they're

01:46:34.680 accurate

01:46:35.000 but I'm

01:46:35.360 saying

01:46:35.660 let's

01:46:36.280 just

01:46:36.520 assume

01:46:36.820 that the

01:46:40.300 most

01:46:40.700 widespread

01:46:43.180 numbers

01:46:43.860 the largest

01:46:44.680 numbers

01:46:45.120 that have

01:46:45.420 been reported

01:46:45.880 out of

01:46:46.200 Gaza

01:46:46.440 by Hamas

01:46:47.340 let's

01:46:48.120 assume

01:46:48.460 they're

01:46:48.660 true

01:46:48.960 that's

01:46:50.440 what I'm

01:46:50.680 saying

01:46:50.980 I'm not

01:46:51.400 saying

01:46:51.640 they are

01:46:51.960 true

01:46:52.260 but assume

01:46:53.100 they're

01:46:53.300 true

01:46:53.460 let's

01:46:53.740 just

01:46:53.940 take

01:46:54.280 them

01:46:54.440 at

01:46:54.580 their

01:46:54.720 word

01:46:55.000 then

01:46:55.960 you

01:46:56.100 still

01:46:56.460 have

01:46:56.840 a

01:46:57.100 lower

01:46:57.460 number

01:46:58.100 of

01:46:58.900 civilians

01:46:59.440 killed

01:47:00.320 than

01:47:00.520 in

01:47:00.680 any

01:47:01.000 urban

01:47:01.440 warfare

01:47:01.960 environment

01:47:02.480 in

01:47:02.720 modern

01:47:03.000 history

01:47:03.400 fact

01:47:04.080 is

01:47:05.460 that

01:47:05.600 a

01:47:05.720 fact

01:47:05.920 yes

01:47:06.240 what

01:47:06.620 are

01:47:06.680 you

01:47:06.780 comparing

01:47:07.100 it

01:47:07.320 to

01:47:07.540 to

01:47:09.340 any

01:47:09.760 urban

01:47:10.700 warfare

01:47:10.960 name

01:47:11.160 one

01:47:11.380 Iraq

01:47:12.660 Afghanistan

01:47:13.880 where in

01:47:14.380 Iraq

01:47:14.620 where in

01:47:14.860 Afghanistan

01:47:15.260 there aren't

01:47:15.600 many urban

01:47:15.980 areas in

01:47:16.340 Afghanistan

01:47:16.740 I don't

01:47:17.140 think there

01:47:17.320 was any

01:47:17.560 fighting in

01:47:17.980 urban areas

01:47:18.420 in Afghanistan

01:47:18.940 Kabul

01:47:19.400 I don't

01:47:20.480 know

01:47:20.580 was there

01:47:20.860 was there

01:47:21.280 were there

01:47:21.520 pitched battles

01:47:22.020 in Kabul

01:47:22.440 over long

01:47:22.880 periods of

01:47:23.280 time

01:47:23.500 I don't

01:47:24.040 20 years

01:47:24.740 in Kabul

01:47:25.660 I don't

01:47:26.420 throughout

01:47:26.580 all of

01:47:27.100 Afghanistan

01:47:27.500 but what

01:47:28.100 so what

01:47:28.460 were those

01:47:28.760 rates

01:47:29.140 you're

01:47:31.460 talking about

01:47:31.800 what are

01:47:32.000 the rates

01:47:32.440 there

01:47:32.740 you just

01:47:33.460 the number

01:47:33.840 of people

01:47:34.400 who were

01:47:34.700 killed

01:47:35.020 into the

01:47:36.520 tens of

01:47:36.920 thousands

01:47:37.340 I'm

01:47:38.580 asking you

01:47:39.580 to

01:47:39.960 I don't

01:47:40.600 know the

01:47:40.860 answer

01:47:41.120 I've never

01:47:41.580 heard of

01:47:41.900 any of

01:47:42.220 this

01:47:42.360 you brought

01:47:42.740 it up

01:47:42.980 you said

01:47:43.540 the IDF

01:47:44.660 has killed

01:47:45.220 a lower

01:47:46.220 proportion

01:47:46.920 of civilians

01:47:47.880 in urban

01:47:48.760 warfare

01:47:49.140 than in any

01:47:49.820 urban

01:47:50.120 conflict

01:47:50.560 in modern

01:47:50.940 history

01:47:51.280 I'd never

01:47:52.260 heard that

01:47:52.580 before

01:47:52.880 I don't

01:47:53.380 know what

01:47:53.660 are the

01:47:54.380 controls

01:47:54.740 for that

01:47:55.140 and you

01:47:55.680 said

01:47:55.880 the US

01:47:57.340 military

01:47:57.920 killed

01:47:58.500 more

01:47:58.860 civilians

01:47:59.320 would you

01:47:59.660 agree

01:48:00.040 that the

01:48:00.560 real

01:48:00.820 tragedy

01:48:01.320 was that

01:48:01.840 Hamas

01:48:02.260 continued

01:48:02.740 to force

01:48:03.440 this war

01:48:04.080 hold on

01:48:04.820 you just

01:48:05.340 once again

01:48:06.220 said that

01:48:06.920 the IDF

01:48:07.520 is more

01:48:07.860 humane

01:48:08.240 than the

01:48:08.480 United States

01:48:08.980 military

01:48:09.380 you just

01:48:09.920 said that

01:48:10.400 you said

01:48:11.140 in Iraq

01:48:12.060 and Afghanistan

01:48:12.680 the US

01:48:13.280 military

01:48:13.620 killed more

01:48:14.600 civilians

01:48:15.100 than the IDF

01:48:15.980 did in Gaza

01:48:16.520 you just

01:48:16.960 told me

01:48:17.220 I never

01:48:17.480 heard that

01:48:17.760 before

01:48:18.040 and my

01:48:19.140 question is

01:48:19.740 how do

01:48:20.000 you know

01:48:20.280 that

01:48:20.440 what are

01:48:20.700 those

01:48:20.880 numbers

01:48:21.220 and I'm

01:48:21.940 trying to

01:48:22.460 explain to

01:48:23.000 you

01:48:23.240 that there

01:48:24.040 were

01:48:24.280 extraordinary

01:48:25.760 efforts

01:48:26.440 to keep

01:48:27.440 the numbers

01:48:28.120 I think

01:48:29.660 they were

01:48:29.940 tens of

01:48:30.380 thousands

01:48:30.740 I'll get

01:48:31.220 them for

01:48:31.580 you

01:48:31.840 well you

01:48:32.440 brought it

01:48:32.760 up

01:48:32.880 that's the

01:48:33.200 only reason

01:48:33.460 I'm pushing

01:48:33.920 you

01:48:34.160 I'm wearing

01:48:35.380 a flag

01:48:35.920 I've worked

01:48:36.540 for a

01:48:36.860 country

01:48:37.160 and you

01:48:38.000 pretended

01:48:38.460 or alleged

01:48:39.760 that somehow

01:48:40.720 I'm not

01:48:41.220 loyal to this

01:48:41.920 and I'm

01:48:42.280 criticizing

01:48:42.760 my own

01:48:43.180 country

01:48:43.480 and I'm not

01:48:43.720 a better

01:48:43.860 job than

01:48:44.580 the US

01:48:45.020 military

01:48:45.580 in Iraq

01:48:46.740 and Afghanistan

01:48:47.380 and I said

01:48:48.340 what are the

01:48:48.780 numbers

01:48:49.140 and you said

01:48:49.780 I don't

01:48:50.100 know

01:48:50.380 so on

01:48:51.800 what basis

01:48:52.300 are you

01:48:52.560 making the

01:48:53.080 claim

01:48:53.520 that the

01:48:54.060 IDF

01:48:54.520 in Gaza

01:48:55.400 spared

01:48:56.560 more civilians

01:48:57.340 than the

01:48:57.840 US Army

01:48:58.560 and Marine

01:48:59.100 Corps did

01:48:59.740 in Afghanistan

01:49:00.980 and Iraq

01:49:01.540 why are you

01:49:02.080 saying that

01:49:02.620 like on what

01:49:03.780 basis are you

01:49:04.280 saying that

01:49:04.760 from the

01:49:05.520 conversations

01:49:06.080 that I've

01:49:06.520 had with

01:49:06.900 the people

01:49:07.280 who fought

01:49:07.700 there

01:49:07.940 and I

01:49:08.660 don't have

01:49:09.060 the exact

01:49:09.600 numbers for

01:49:10.200 you

01:49:10.440 but what

01:49:11.620 I'm trying

01:49:12.000 to help

01:49:12.420 you to

01:49:12.720 understand

01:49:13.220 and I

01:49:13.600 don't think

01:49:13.960 you're

01:49:14.240 willing to

01:49:14.840 go there

01:49:15.300 is that

01:49:16.260 there was

01:49:16.820 no desire

01:49:18.280 to kill

01:49:19.320 people

01:49:19.700 indiscriminately

01:49:20.540 in Gaza

01:49:21.020 I don't

01:49:21.360 think there

01:49:21.600 was any

01:49:21.860 desire to

01:49:22.300 kill people

01:49:22.700 indiscriminately

01:49:23.340 in Iraq

01:49:24.380 Afghanistan

01:49:24.920 let me

01:49:26.440 just say

01:49:26.720 I think

01:49:27.060 I know

01:49:27.600 a bunch

01:49:27.860 of people

01:49:28.040 who served

01:49:28.280 in the

01:49:28.460 IDF

01:49:28.860 and I

01:49:29.720 don't

01:49:30.080 believe

01:49:30.340 your

01:49:30.540 average

01:49:30.820 IDF

01:49:31.160 soldier

01:49:31.360 wants

01:49:31.580 to kill

01:49:31.820 innocents

01:49:32.240 I just

01:49:32.600 want to

01:49:32.760 be really

01:49:33.080 clear about

01:49:33.520 that

01:49:33.740 I don't

01:49:34.000 think most

01:49:34.380 soldiers

01:49:34.680 want to

01:49:35.060 do that

01:49:35.420 I think

01:49:36.260 a lot

01:49:36.580 of them

01:49:36.840 in our

01:49:37.500 country

01:49:37.900 in Israel

01:49:39.020 wind up

01:49:39.780 doing that

01:49:40.320 because that's

01:49:40.780 what war

01:49:41.200 is about

01:49:41.600 and it

01:49:41.900 really hurts

01:49:42.380 them

01:49:42.560 I know

01:49:42.820 people who've

01:49:43.240 done it

01:49:43.520 personally

01:49:43.980 really well

01:49:44.720 and it

01:49:45.080 wrecks their

01:49:45.640 lives

01:49:45.920 but I don't

01:49:47.360 think your

01:49:47.580 average

01:49:47.720 soldier wants

01:49:48.160 that in

01:49:48.640 this country

01:49:54.920 as the

01:49:55.180 prime minister

01:49:55.640 your friend

01:49:56.100 Benjamin

01:49:56.480 Netanyahu

01:49:57.000 gave in

01:49:57.440 the aftermath

01:49:57.980 of October

01:49:58.820 7th

01:49:59.640 including one

01:50:00.720 in November

01:50:01.400 of that year

01:50:02.200 when he

01:50:03.180 referred to

01:50:03.720 Amalek

01:50:04.260 now Amalek

01:50:05.460 is a

01:50:06.280 reference

01:50:06.820 a biblical

01:50:07.460 reference

01:50:07.860 of course

01:50:08.220 you'll be

01:50:08.440 very familiar

01:50:09.020 with that

01:50:09.520 the Amalekites

01:50:10.840 were a

01:50:12.060 tribe

01:50:12.620 described

01:50:13.120 throughout the

01:50:13.700 Bible

01:50:13.900 particularly

01:50:14.340 in 1 Samuel

01:50:15.100 that obstructed

01:50:16.780 the Jews

01:50:17.580 as they fled

01:50:18.060 Egypt

01:50:18.400 and God

01:50:19.860 tells

01:50:21.400 Samuel

01:50:22.140 to give

01:50:23.040 the instructions

01:50:23.720 to Saul

01:50:24.520 to kill

01:50:25.660 the Amalekites

01:50:26.980 and he says

01:50:29.340 and I'm sure

01:50:29.820 you remember

01:50:30.220 this

01:50:30.480 this is in

01:50:30.900 1 Samuel

01:50:31.320 15

01:50:31.820 of course

01:50:32.500 I'm sure

01:50:32.860 I know

01:50:33.460 you know

01:50:33.720 it

01:50:33.940 he says

01:50:35.160 kill the

01:50:35.800 men

01:50:36.060 kill the

01:50:36.940 women

01:50:37.240 kill the

01:50:38.100 children

01:50:38.500 kill the

01:50:39.400 infants

01:50:39.960 kill the

01:50:40.900 donkeys

01:50:41.540 kill the

01:50:42.200 camels

01:50:42.560 kill everything

01:50:43.280 and Saul

01:50:45.440 spares

01:50:46.720 the king

01:50:47.380 and he

01:50:48.760 spares

01:50:49.260 the animals

01:50:50.520 and for

01:50:51.860 that

01:50:52.260 he is

01:50:53.320 punished

01:50:53.700 by God

01:50:54.240 that is

01:50:55.520 genocide

01:50:56.000 God is

01:50:56.700 calling for

01:50:57.080 genocide

01:50:57.620 of the

01:50:58.920 Amalekites

01:50:59.460 of Amalek

01:51:00.040 and the

01:51:01.360 prime minister

01:51:01.940 of Israel

01:51:02.540 at least

01:51:03.220 once I

01:51:03.700 believe on

01:51:04.120 other occasions

01:51:05.220 described the

01:51:06.280 Palestinians in

01:51:07.140 Gaza as

01:51:07.700 Amalek

01:51:08.180 that's calling

01:51:08.620 for genocide

01:51:09.180 and you

01:51:10.340 know that

01:51:10.820 I totally

01:51:13.120 disagree

01:51:13.700 tell me then

01:51:14.220 what it means

01:51:14.860 because

01:51:15.260 to say that

01:51:16.680 Israel

01:51:17.040 was attempting

01:51:18.260 to commit

01:51:18.760 genocide

01:51:19.160 first of all

01:51:19.900 that's simply

01:51:20.880 not true

01:51:21.360 I'm saying

01:51:22.040 what is the

01:51:22.420 prime minister

01:51:22.720 talking about

01:51:23.340 why would he

01:51:23.900 refer to the

01:51:24.680 Palestinians as

01:51:25.380 Amalek

01:51:25.820 you would have

01:51:26.640 to ask him

01:51:27.220 I don't know

01:51:27.840 I know what

01:51:28.300 Amalek is

01:51:29.960 I do understand

01:51:30.900 1 Samuel 16

01:51:32.260 I get all that

01:51:33.040 15

01:51:33.200 1 Samuel 15

01:51:34.640 but I do

01:51:35.940 understand

01:51:36.260 and it's widely

01:51:37.780 known

01:51:38.200 so if you say

01:51:39.620 our enemy is

01:51:40.400 Amalek

01:51:41.040 and we are

01:51:41.820 proceeding on the

01:51:42.680 basis of God's

01:51:43.560 commands to us

01:51:44.300 you are calling

01:51:45.240 for genocide

01:51:45.900 tell me how I'm

01:51:47.160 missing something

01:51:48.020 because if Israel

01:51:48.660 wanted to commit

01:51:49.280 genocide

01:51:49.680 they could have

01:51:50.400 done it in

01:51:50.740 two and a half

01:51:51.140 hours

01:51:51.320 we can debate

01:51:52.040 what's happened

01:51:52.640 in Gaza

01:51:53.200 I'm asking you

01:51:54.260 why the leader

01:51:55.040 of this country

01:51:56.120 ask him

01:51:57.080 well what do you

01:51:58.040 think

01:51:58.380 I don't know

01:51:59.520 does that bother

01:52:00.340 you at all

01:52:00.840 people

01:52:02.160 I don't know

01:52:03.900 what he meant

01:52:04.800 I don't know

01:52:05.360 if it was an

01:52:06.020 illustrative metaphor

01:52:07.080 I think what he

01:52:08.460 was saying was

01:52:09.180 that we're not

01:52:10.340 going to let

01:52:10.920 anything keep us

01:52:11.980 from getting our

01:52:12.660 hostages back

01:52:13.500 their sons and

01:52:14.160 their daughters

01:52:14.660 who are being

01:52:15.380 brutalized

01:52:16.440 raped

01:52:16.840 tortured

01:52:17.360 starved

01:52:18.000 beaten

01:52:18.460 come on

01:52:19.340 Mr.

01:52:19.620 Minister

01:52:19.800 there are many

01:52:21.100 examples of

01:52:21.940 justice in the

01:52:22.900 Bible

01:52:23.260 Israel gets accused

01:52:25.320 of genocide

01:52:25.940 regularly

01:52:26.600 I'm not accusing

01:52:27.500 Israel of anything

01:52:28.700 I'm saying that the

01:52:29.400 prime minister of

01:52:30.260 Israel described

01:52:32.040 the Palestinians

01:52:32.800 as Amalek

01:52:33.780 I'm asking why

01:52:37.340 of all the

01:52:37.980 references in the

01:52:38.960 Bible and there

01:52:39.520 are many to

01:52:40.340 justice and there

01:52:42.360 are many to

01:52:42.840 reconciliation

01:52:43.420 that is a

01:52:44.300 reference to

01:52:44.740 genocide as you

01:52:45.720 know killing

01:52:46.340 every man

01:52:46.940 woman

01:52:47.760 child and

01:52:49.080 infant

01:52:49.540 I'm quoting

01:52:50.140 and their

01:52:51.240 animals

01:52:51.640 wiping them

01:52:53.040 from the

01:52:53.560 earth

01:52:53.800 and when

01:52:54.160 they don't

01:52:54.600 do that

01:52:54.840 they're

01:52:55.000 punished

01:52:55.380 when you

01:52:58.120 say that

01:52:58.800 at the

01:52:59.140 outset of

01:52:59.660 a war

01:53:00.260 and then

01:53:00.800 you wind

01:53:01.360 up with

01:53:01.780 massive

01:53:02.220 civilian

01:53:02.620 casualties

01:53:03.160 maybe not

01:53:03.800 as big

01:53:04.100 as they

01:53:04.320 were in

01:53:04.600 Iraq

01:53:05.040 then I

01:53:06.660 have to

01:53:06.920 ask you

01:53:07.280 what

01:53:07.560 is that

01:53:08.400 and is

01:53:08.820 that kind

01:53:09.340 of thinking

01:53:09.820 consistent

01:53:10.520 with western

01:53:11.740 values and

01:53:12.280 with christianity

01:53:13.100 do we as

01:53:13.660 christians

01:53:14.040 believe it's

01:53:14.740 okay to

01:53:16.000 kill people's

01:53:16.600 children

01:53:16.900 no we

01:53:18.380 don't and

01:53:19.000 neither do

01:53:19.600 the israelis

01:53:20.300 because they

01:53:20.740 didn't go

01:53:21.160 after their

01:53:21.640 children if

01:53:22.460 they'd have

01:53:22.760 wanted to

01:53:23.160 kill all

01:53:23.540 their

01:53:23.700 children

01:53:24.060 tucker they've

01:53:25.100 got the

01:53:25.380 military capacity

01:53:26.340 they could

01:53:26.760 have done it

01:53:27.180 in less

01:53:27.660 than a day

01:53:28.280 i've heard

01:53:28.700 you say

01:53:29.040 that i

01:53:29.340 know i

01:53:29.540 mean i

01:53:29.720 guess they

01:53:30.040 could have

01:53:30.360 done

01:53:30.480 okay but

01:53:31.120 why didn't

01:53:31.580 they

01:53:31.780 why didn't

01:53:32.860 they i

01:53:33.280 think there

01:53:33.580 are a lot

01:53:33.780 of decent

01:53:34.120 people in

01:53:34.520 israel

01:53:34.720 don't want

01:53:35.180 that but

01:53:35.660 i'm

01:53:35.800 talking

01:53:36.020 you think

01:53:36.360 that the

01:53:36.640 prime

01:53:36.840 minister

01:53:37.080 wanted to

01:53:37.720 wipe out

01:53:38.300 every single

01:53:39.080 person in

01:53:39.640 gaza do

01:53:40.040 you really

01:53:40.440 think that

01:53:40.860 i'm asking you

01:53:41.060 what you

01:53:41.460 think is the

01:53:42.100 u.s representative

01:53:43.060 of our

01:53:43.820 government

01:53:44.280 i don't think

01:53:45.160 that that's

01:53:45.560 what he

01:53:45.960 wanted to

01:53:46.620 do

01:53:46.840 did you

01:53:47.140 ask him

01:53:47.700 why are you

01:53:48.380 referring

01:53:48.720 i never had

01:53:49.220 to ask him

01:53:49.880 that

01:53:50.240 why

01:53:50.620 because i

01:53:51.860 never saw

01:53:52.380 any evidence

01:53:53.280 any evidence

01:53:54.460 that israel

01:53:55.480 tried to wipe

01:53:56.460 out every

01:53:57.100 single person

01:53:57.780 i just gave

01:53:58.980 you examples

01:53:59.640 that they tried

01:54:00.560 to save

01:54:01.360 civilian lives

01:54:02.240 but i'm not

01:54:02.660 by the way

01:54:03.500 i'm not

01:54:04.020 as i've said

01:54:04.760 and i mean

01:54:05.580 this i i

01:54:06.520 i think most

01:54:07.580 soldiers in

01:54:08.280 most armies

01:54:08.880 including the

01:54:09.900 israel defense

01:54:10.360 force don't

01:54:11.380 want to kill

01:54:11.800 civilians i just

01:54:12.620 don't believe

01:54:13.140 that i think

01:54:13.620 there are some

01:54:14.060 lunatics can i

01:54:14.700 ask you something

01:54:15.280 yes you

01:54:16.300 platformed a

01:54:17.020 guy you had

01:54:17.460 him on your

01:54:17.800 show tony

01:54:18.360 aguilar don't

01:54:19.300 platform anyone

01:54:20.140 well you

01:54:20.980 interviewed not

01:54:21.660 a liberal so i

01:54:22.320 don't platform

01:54:22.780 okay you you

01:54:24.220 interviewed tony

01:54:25.700 aguilar who

01:54:27.680 claimed that

01:54:29.920 idf soldiers

01:54:30.860 killed a little

01:54:32.120 boy in his

01:54:32.820 presence that

01:54:34.380 didn't happen

01:54:34.960 okay it did

01:54:36.220 not happen

01:54:36.820 i don't know

01:54:37.620 let me give

01:54:38.040 you the story

01:54:38.260 i don't know

01:54:38.460 if you know

01:54:39.400 whether it

01:54:39.900 happened or

01:54:40.380 not well i

01:54:40.980 can tell you

01:54:41.480 why i know

01:54:42.120 it didn't

01:54:42.500 happen because

01:54:43.640 we found that

01:54:44.380 little boy less

01:54:45.140 than a week

01:54:45.540 later all

01:54:46.360 right i was

01:54:47.080 involved heavily

01:54:48.000 involved in

01:54:49.080 helping to

01:54:49.640 extricate him

01:54:50.520 from gaza four

01:54:52.360 different countries

01:54:53.120 were involved in

01:54:53.920 getting he and

01:54:54.660 his mother to

01:54:55.340 safety get them

01:54:56.520 out of there

01:54:56.880 tony aguilar is

01:54:58.520 a liar okay

01:54:59.680 tony aguilar claimed

01:55:01.700 that he saw an

01:55:02.940 idf soldier shoot

01:55:04.000 the little boy he

01:55:05.660 was fired from

01:55:07.120 the ghf for

01:55:09.400 cause and he

01:55:11.040 begged for his

01:55:11.620 job back and

01:55:12.280 they wouldn't give

01:55:12.660 it back because

01:55:13.220 they didn't want

01:55:13.680 him and he told

01:55:14.960 them that if they

01:55:15.620 didn't give his

01:55:16.240 job back that he

01:55:17.820 would burn them

01:55:19.020 down okay so he

01:55:20.260 goes out now let me

01:55:21.100 finish this because

01:55:21.840 it's important for

01:55:22.540 you to understand

01:55:23.160 right so this guy

01:55:25.560 then goes out and

01:55:27.060 makes up this story

01:55:27.980 that he witnessed

01:55:28.980 idf soldiers shooting

01:55:30.500 a little boy i don't

01:55:31.780 know that he made it

01:55:32.400 up he seemed to

01:55:33.040 believe it to me it's

01:55:34.160 possible he's wrong i've

01:55:35.300 been wrong many

01:55:35.880 times well this is

01:55:37.240 a little bit more

01:55:37.940 than just missing a

01:55:39.040 fact he claimed to

01:55:40.400 be an eyewitness to

01:55:41.620 the murder of a

01:55:42.500 little boy a little

01:55:43.860 boy that a week

01:55:44.540 later we found and

01:55:46.140 you're sure it's the

01:55:46.720 same little boy we're

01:55:47.340 absolutely sure you

01:55:48.140 know that because we

01:55:50.080 have pictures of him

01:55:51.200 we had descriptions of

01:55:53.180 him we know his name

01:55:55.020 we know his mother okay

01:55:56.720 he was extricated out of

01:55:58.480 gaza it was a very

01:55:59.360 delicate situation to

01:56:00.620 get him out because if

01:56:01.400 hamas had found out that

01:56:02.520 he was still alive they

01:56:03.420 would have killed him in

01:56:04.600 order to validate

01:56:05.300 aguilar's story how do

01:56:06.640 you know that so he

01:56:07.120 gets out how do you

01:56:08.640 know hamas would have

01:56:09.420 killed him why wouldn't

01:56:10.840 they wouldn't they

01:56:11.500 have wanted to kill him

01:56:12.200 because that way they

01:56:13.380 could have said that this

01:56:14.220 story was true that

01:56:15.120 will are if i'm just

01:56:16.480 telling you what you're

01:56:17.280 saying is true and i have

01:56:18.540 no basis of knowing yeah

01:56:20.020 i'm really glad because i

01:56:21.220 don't want little kids to

01:56:22.100 get killed even 14 year

01:56:23.400 olds okay you shouldn't

01:56:24.320 want anyone to but let me

01:56:25.300 ask you is it true he

01:56:26.400 also made the claim and

01:56:27.800 he had audio of it um and

01:56:30.100 video too that uh u.s

01:56:32.880 contractors were using

01:56:35.520 live ammunition to

01:56:38.260 disperse crowds and he

01:56:39.360 had video of that do you

01:56:40.580 know if is did he make up

01:56:41.700 that video there were

01:56:43.440 times here's what

01:56:44.400 happened crowds would

01:56:46.200 come toward the sites

01:56:47.600 they were given verbal

01:56:48.560 warnings and then they

01:56:50.260 were given additional

01:56:52.000 verbal warnings and they

01:56:53.020 were shots were fired

01:56:54.200 either in the air

01:56:55.080 sometimes in the ground

01:56:56.120 and if they continue to

01:56:58.020 come and threaten there

01:57:00.000 were times when there

01:57:00.960 were people who were

01:57:02.540 uh engaged in in

01:57:04.960 firefights that happened

01:57:06.440 oh they were armed

01:57:07.180 sometimes they were they

01:57:09.000 were can you do you know

01:57:10.140 of specific instances where

01:57:11.280 they were armed i can

01:57:12.920 probably get you some

01:57:14.000 specific information about

01:57:15.400 that i think i know the

01:57:16.220 answer to that i don't

01:57:16.820 think there's any evidence

01:57:17.740 at all that they were

01:57:18.300 but i also know that are

01:57:19.280 you okay with using live

01:57:20.860 ammunition um at aid

01:57:23.840 distribution sites for

01:57:25.040 families women and

01:57:26.180 children very rarely did

01:57:27.360 this happen near how

01:57:28.320 about at all are you

01:57:29.140 okay with that no i'll

01:57:30.820 tell you what i'm not

01:57:31.380 okay okay no no no i

01:57:32.560 think you are so trying to

01:57:34.020 put words in my mouth

01:57:35.060 you said that they were

01:57:36.640 firing back but then

01:57:37.960 there's no evidence that

01:57:38.780 they were on a sunday

01:57:39.540 afternoon i can remember

01:57:40.720 when there was widespread

01:57:42.040 reports on bbc cnn and

01:57:44.020 the new york times and

01:57:44.900 they said that 27 people

01:57:46.220 were killed at a feeding

01:57:47.180 site we had video

01:57:49.160 extensively over that

01:57:50.320 site not one single

01:57:52.180 person not only were they

01:57:53.340 not shot nobody was shot

01:57:54.540 at there was not one bit

01:57:56.440 of violence that happened

01:57:57.400 at that feeding site

01:57:58.260 trying to get me to

01:57:58.860 defend bbc i'm not gonna

01:58:01.040 do that it's like

01:58:02.200 defending hamas i i agree

01:58:04.000 with you i don't believe

01:58:04.980 anything i see in the

01:58:05.640 media it's just that it's

01:58:07.220 really simple if people

01:58:08.320 are using and these were

01:58:09.780 american contractors by

01:58:10.840 these are not israelis

01:58:11.700 that i'm aware of

01:58:12.460 american contractors run

01:58:14.460 by some crypto minister or

01:58:16.700 something was running the

01:58:17.500 group um if they're using

01:58:19.840 live ammunition at an aid

01:58:22.320 distribution site that

01:58:23.540 strikes me as totally

01:58:24.480 unacceptable they were not

01:58:26.580 firing does it seem

01:58:28.020 acceptable to you they

01:58:29.200 were not firing if people

01:58:30.280 got killed there's a way

01:58:32.400 some of those people got

01:58:33.440 killed because hamas were

01:58:34.620 trying to keep them from

01:58:35.780 getting to the aid

01:58:36.660 distribution sites because

01:58:37.940 hamas was controlling the

01:58:39.240 food hamas made 500

01:58:41.200 million dollars selling the

01:58:42.720 food that was supposed to

01:58:43.600 be given away for free

01:58:44.660 defend hamas and what they

01:58:45.780 were trying to do is to

01:58:47.260 keep people from going to

01:58:48.520 the sites where they were

01:58:49.280 getting food for free when

01:58:50.880 we said ghf up the first

01:58:53.680 thing that happened i know

01:58:54.900 but i'm telling you the

01:58:55.700 first thing that people

01:58:56.460 said was wow this is the

01:58:57.780 first time we've had food

01:58:58.820 that we got for free is it

01:59:00.320 okay to buy it unarmed

01:59:01.320 people i just told you it

01:59:02.700 wasn't that's awful yeah

01:59:04.160 it's awful of course it's

01:59:05.420 awful um are all lives

01:59:07.480 equal do you think of

01:59:08.780 course they are so the

01:59:09.820 death of a palestinian is

01:59:10.880 every bit as important

01:59:13.620 significant as the death

01:59:14.620 of a palestinian is every

01:59:14.880 bit as important significant

01:59:16.040 as the death of a palestinian

01:59:16.880 there's no such thing as a

01:59:18.760 human soul that god made

01:59:20.180 that is less valuable than

01:59:22.420 another that i'm pro-life

01:59:23.760 me too i believe that every

01:59:25.260 life has intrinsic worth

01:59:26.440 and value there's no such

01:59:27.440 thing as a worthless or a

01:59:29.200 completely disposable life

01:59:31.300 that's what makes me pro-life

01:59:32.800 tucker i totally agree and

01:59:34.220 i believe that from the

01:59:34.940 conception until the end of

01:59:37.520 natural life why i would

01:59:38.720 never say when confronted

01:59:40.420 with the death of children

01:59:41.440 war is terrible because it

01:59:43.580 minimizes the deaths of

01:59:44.580 those children it's awful i

01:59:46.240 don't think it minimizes i

01:59:47.660 think it it is outrageous

01:59:49.480 it's a terrible thing i wish

01:59:51.600 we never had war why do we

01:59:52.800 have war we're about to

01:59:54.620 have one with iran it looks

01:59:55.900 like how many americans do

01:59:57.000 you think will die in that

01:59:57.760 war i hope none none died

02:00:00.520 last year when we uh

02:00:01.980 participated in the 12-day

02:00:03.660 war not one you said 20

02:00:05.660 000 would die and they

02:00:06.640 didn't i said could and they

02:00:08.160 could have and they could die

02:00:09.800 now and that's a real risk

02:00:11.160 how many boots on the

02:00:11.980 ground do you think the u.s

02:00:12.960 is supplied for israel over

02:00:14.580 the course of its life

02:00:15.520 how many times have we put

02:00:18.200 soldiers on the ground for

02:00:19.160 israel well we had the iraq

02:00:20.700 war um which was for israel

02:00:22.660 no one for israel how was it

02:00:24.620 for us well because it was a

02:00:26.660 retribution against 9-11 now

02:00:28.200 was it the best idea was was

02:00:30.080 iraq involved in that one our

02:00:32.680 government thought so why are

02:00:35.180 9-11 documents still

02:00:36.280 classified i have no idea should

02:00:38.100 they be unclassified i think so

02:00:39.720 all of them right i have no

02:00:41.240 problem with that me too i like

02:00:42.720 transparency i like sunlight i do

02:00:44.700 i hope you'll call for that i

02:00:45.660 like free press i like free

02:00:46.760 speech i totally i really i like

02:00:48.860 all of that but if no if there

02:00:50.800 was no connect i've never seen

02:00:52.160 i'm open to anything but i've

02:00:53.340 never seen any connection

02:00:54.280 between the government of

02:00:56.060 saddam hussein that the

02:00:56.840 secular baithist government of

02:00:58.360 saddam hussein and the terror

02:01:00.160 attacks of 9-11 i don't know

02:01:01.720 that there were i don't know

02:01:02.920 right so so i'm not sure but i

02:01:04.440 don't know how so why did we

02:01:05.620 spend that israel's fault

02:01:06.840 well benjamin netanyahu now

02:01:09.500 prime minister of course

02:01:10.820 exerted lots of pressure openly

02:01:12.860 on the u.s government to take

02:01:14.640 out to regime change the saddam

02:01:16.160 government i was there it was in

02:01:17.420 washington and um and they

02:01:20.600 complied i don't think there's

02:01:22.220 any way to read it i don't do you

02:01:23.460 think israel leads the u.s and

02:01:25.860 pushes them and tells them what to

02:01:27.740 do

02:01:27.980 not on everything of course you

02:01:30.360 think what i think let me be

02:01:31.820 specific i think the uh israeli

02:01:34.300 government strongly pushed the

02:01:35.900 united states to take out saddam

02:01:38.280 hussein but there's no question

02:01:39.780 about that i think the israeli

02:01:41.460 government right now on bb

02:01:43.320 netanyahu has been in the white

02:01:44.400 house seven times in one year

02:01:46.080 yeah pushing for uh regime change

02:01:49.560 in iran i think they're on the

02:01:50.820 verge of convincing this

02:01:52.060 administration to affect regime

02:01:55.480 you think the president is weak

02:01:56.860 and is being pushed not saying

02:01:58.620 that i know i know i know the

02:02:00.180 president's being pushed why do

02:02:01.120 you think a foreign leader was in

02:02:02.940 the white house seven times in one

02:02:04.160 year are you okay with that

02:02:05.280 that's a lot you know israel is not

02:02:08.400 just a friend or an ally it is a real

02:02:10.740 partner we have an incredible

02:02:12.080 relationship with israel in

02:02:14.160 intelligence and in military in

02:02:16.900 culture in values you know to to be

02:02:21.080 shocked that the israeli prime

02:02:23.160 minister would have that many

02:02:24.400 meetings

02:02:24.820 it's a lot but i i want to ask you

02:02:27.740 the question do you think president

02:02:28.960 trump

02:02:29.400 is weak enough to let bb netanyahu

02:02:32.540 i don't push him into something

02:02:34.060 that he doesn't want to do i don't

02:02:35.220 look i think and i don't know of

02:02:37.780 course the answer to every question

02:02:38.960 including this one but i think the

02:02:41.220 president president trump really

02:02:42.700 doesn't like nuclear proliferation and

02:02:45.640 i don't think he wants iran to have a

02:02:47.400 bomb i think he really sincerely i hope

02:02:48.960 you don't want them to have a bomb

02:02:50.260 want them to have a bomb i don't want

02:02:53.500 anyone to have a bomb including israel i

02:02:55.120 don't know why we're okay with israel

02:02:56.500 having nuclear weapons i'm not i'm not

02:02:58.180 okay with pakistan having them i'm not

02:03:00.160 okay with saudi having them israel's

02:03:02.860 nuclear weapons were created of course

02:03:06.000 with nuclear materials stolen from the

02:03:07.880 united states from a nuclear plant in

02:03:09.260 pennsylvania as i know you know i'm

02:03:10.920 opposed to all of it i don't like

02:03:12.460 nuclear weapons it's mass murder as

02:03:14.140 far as i'm concerned so no i don't

02:03:16.080 want iran to have a bomb obviously the

02:03:18.860 question is what are the potential

02:03:21.200 costs and you have to factor that into

02:03:23.320 any decision and what are the cost if

02:03:25.780 they were to get a nuclear bomb they've

02:03:27.800 said for 47 years death to america

02:03:30.220 well i don't think they target us i

02:03:32.160 don't think they've targeted president

02:03:33.800 trump specifically yeah they've hired a

02:03:36.800 person to assassinate iran bbc and

02:03:39.480 hamas not defending him good all i'm

02:03:42.280 we're in agreement on that i want our

02:03:44.120 country is not thriving and we're

02:03:46.560 spending you know tens and tens and

02:03:49.200 tens of billions of dollars over time

02:03:51.000 defending israel and helping it

02:03:53.260 prosecute all you know where that money

02:03:54.460 goes goes to a lot of places but let's

02:03:57.380 let's talk about that a minute 3.8

02:03:59.420 billion dollars a year that money goes

02:04:02.160 right back to the u.s to purchase

02:04:04.060 weapons systems for example every round

02:04:07.100 of ammo that the idf shoots is

02:04:09.100 manufactured just outside where i live

02:04:11.380 in little rock arkansas the components

02:04:15.060 a lot of them for the iron dome and the

02:04:17.000 era 3 missile defense systems yeah are

02:04:19.240 manufactured near camden arkansas which

02:04:21.980 needs it by the way camden's

02:04:23.340 economically depressed you know the

02:04:24.740 area i do and there are thousands and

02:04:27.780 thousands of american jobs and there

02:04:29.780 are billions and billions of dollars

02:04:32.040 of expenditures that israel makes in the

02:04:37.020 u.s and buys the things that we know how

02:04:40.160 defense contracting works i'm from

02:04:41.720 washington no i i know this i guess what

02:04:43.820 i'm saying is america's not thriving at

02:04:46.040 all and you think it's israel's fault i i don't

02:04:49.360 think it's israel's okay well good because i i think i just think that what

02:04:52.400 we're doing isn't working at all and america's not rich the

02:04:56.020 president is doing some amazing things to get us back on

02:04:58.820 attacking trump okay i'm merely saying that over say the last 20

02:05:02.720 years america's not gotten richer or freer um at all and i come to

02:05:08.740 israel and the infrastructure we're flying in and i said to my buddy i was

02:05:11.940 like man the looks first it looks great i love the agriculture in israel because

02:05:15.240 it's beautiful i love green i love plants i remember when it didn't look

02:05:18.740 like that yeah yeah first time i came in 53 years ago

02:05:21.300 it's great it did not look like great looks a lot nicer than our country and it

02:05:24.960 has higher standard of living it has nicer

02:05:27.300 roads uh than the united states and so it's

02:05:31.560 like okay why are we sending all this money to a

02:05:35.360 country that has a higher standard of living than ours

02:05:37.180 i don't know that they have a higher standard of living they do actually

02:05:39.800 they have free health care they also free abortion are you okay with that

02:05:42.620 i personally don't like that why would we be subsidizing why would we send any

02:05:47.080 money why would we send any money to a country that provides free abortion

02:05:50.820 because the money that we send does not pay for health care it does not pay for

02:05:54.680 abortion it pays for military it's like if they don't spend it on this

02:05:58.340 they'll spend it on that but they do spend it on that and then we get

02:06:00.640 many more times back and the return on the investment why don't we say we're not

02:06:04.500 sending you any more money as long as you have free abortion well that would be a

02:06:08.640 policy decision i would be for that i would be okay with it because i hate

02:06:12.320 abortion i think it's horrible how much do you hate it i hate it why are we

02:06:15.100 sending the money if they're paying for free because they're not paying for

02:06:17.800 abortions with the money and because we in turn get billions of dollars the

02:06:23.440 return on investment is estimated somewhere between 400 and 1200 i've heard

02:06:26.860 these numbers i just live there and i know and i'm by the way i'm for

02:06:31.980 american manufacturing the defense industry is totally corrupt and seedy as

02:06:37.700 you know however i like to see american companies thrive like it's complicated

02:06:41.880 i'm not an extremist or an absolutist on really anything other than abortion

02:06:45.760 however net net as we say our country's not really thriving and i we're also

02:06:53.440 totally broke is that the case is it because we've done a lousy job controlling

02:06:57.120 our borders a lousy job of controlling lots of things it's a lot of things yeah but

02:07:01.160 we own that i think president trump is doing remarkable things to turn it around

02:07:05.880 i think i cannot imagine any president trump i know but if you're saying the

02:07:09.660 country is in trouble let's say we're out of money

02:07:11.800 actually is what i'm credit to what the president is doing to get us out of debt

02:07:15.660 because i think that what he's doing economically i'm not supporting hamas

02:07:19.260 and i'm not attacking trump okay just with those baseline agreements

02:07:22.820 it's also true that like our debt is not sustainable and so given that

02:07:27.900 like what do you think it will cost what what did it cost to move all these

02:07:31.700 to move the fleet off iran into the persian gulf a lot less than it would to

02:07:36.280 bury a lot of americans if they ever got a long-range ballistic missile

02:07:39.420 a lot less yeah tucker i want you to understand that when

02:07:44.320 iran has told us for 47 years they're going to kill us

02:07:47.280 do you think they would do it if they had the capacity militarily what would happen

02:07:51.860 even if iran took out any of the energy facilities in the gulf or took out a bunch

02:08:00.800 of them what would happen to the united states

02:08:03.720 economy do you think well our economy probably would survive because we have

02:08:08.900 energy independence thanks to president trump would survive our economy is what

02:08:13.240 would happen to markets what what do you think it would be a terrible thing to

02:08:17.260 happen globally it's why iran is a global threat it's why iran through its

02:08:21.760 proxies tucker this is another thing people they're not blowing up energy

02:08:24.740 infrastructure right now but if we try to regime change them they have said that

02:08:28.760 they will i don't know if they will or not i don't either is that a risk that

02:08:31.480 they have their own problems to defend if they try to do that and they lose

02:08:36.520 their own energy capacity worried about so if they took out and i again i don't

02:08:40.560 know what's going to happen and i guess we're not supposed to think about

02:08:43.140 worst case because that makes us pro-islamic or something but i'm an

02:08:47.180 american and i don't want a depression in our country it's too fractured and

02:08:51.080 unstable right now i don't think we want that at all okay none of us want that

02:08:54.360 none of us want not right now we don't not at all i don't want it i don't want it

02:08:58.400 next year next week 10 years now all these states are basically in a state of

02:09:02.360 insurrection against the federal government they're not enforcing the most

02:09:05.320 basic law of the land which is immigration and thank goodness president

02:09:09.200 trump is pushing back and he's great i'm just saying to force if all of a

02:09:13.240 sudden compliance markets just tanked and gas tripled or whatever and you had

02:09:19.100 you know like a severe recession or something worse

02:09:22.840 that's a massive cost and i don't see anybody factoring in that possibility

02:09:28.240 irana said it will do it you've said 10 times they're evil okay i believe you

02:09:31.780 then why wouldn't they take out the qatari gas fields they share with qatar

02:09:36.500 or refining petrochemicals extraction in any of the gulf countries that that

02:09:41.840 would cripple us list well were you worried energy wise again we have

02:09:46.540 independence because president trump put measures in place that gave us the

02:09:51.800 capacity we set international energy prices in the united states

02:09:54.900 in some ways we do because our own market and our own production has a whole lot to

02:10:00.620 do with what those world costs are going to be if you took saudi energy

02:10:03.860 production or qatari energy production or emirati energy production and that is

02:10:08.000 that is making an assumption that if there were regime change that they would

02:10:12.520 be more effective at attacking than we would be defending and that's a pretty

02:10:16.940 can we defend the the straits for moose can we defend all of that energy

02:10:21.020 infrastructure is anyone even asking these questions or it's all like a

02:10:23.800 markle event episode they're like they're bad they are certainly asking the

02:10:27.520 questions that's part of the whole process

02:10:29.360 is it i've raised this before and it's like shut up katarlson you're taking

02:10:34.680 money from the jihadis i've never taken a dime from

02:10:38.020 anybody obviously i just care about the united states and it freaks me out and no

02:10:43.720 one else seems worried about this and caring about the u.s you should care about

02:10:47.560 the fact that the proxies of iran have moved globally 12 central and south

02:10:52.880 american countries have hezbollah deeply embedded venezuela one of the worst

02:10:57.420 they're in the western hemisphere already do we know how would you rank that on

02:11:02.020 the on the like list of concerns for the average american hezbollah and i doubt

02:11:06.780 most americans think about it i think about it because i know what they do

02:11:09.780 i know that if it weren't for iran there wouldn't be a mosque there wouldn't be

02:11:13.620 the hudis there wouldn't be hezbollah we wouldn't have the problem on the

02:11:17.140 border with lebanon we wouldn't have the problem with yemen

02:11:19.520 we wouldn't have the problem on the border with lebanon as i'm an american i'm not

02:11:23.340 having any problems on the border with lebanon right now

02:11:25.580 i live in maine we don't have problems on the border of lebanon like what are you

02:11:28.800 even talking about no offense there's 700 000 americans who live in israel for

02:11:32.260 one thing does that matter to you well of course

02:11:34.820 every american okay well good every life you say matters the same so that should

02:11:38.820 matter when they start my country like i'm

02:11:41.460 just saying like shelling civilians and civilians get killed in this place

02:11:45.280 that should matter to all of us but i mean there's a genocide going on

02:11:49.180 like in all kinds of different countries there there's a lot that's sad and

02:11:53.500 broken about the world we know that as christians satan rules the world

02:11:57.080 but our job as like members of a nation state is to look after

02:12:02.960 our community our families right so i don't think any of the concerns that

02:12:07.960 you've just raised which i think are all real i'm not disputing them at all

02:12:11.080 or even in like the top hundred for americans so how can the u.s

02:12:14.980 government be spending this much time and money worrying about things that are

02:12:17.920 not on the list of americans concerns do we have self-government does it matter

02:12:23.000 what americans actually think or it doesn't of course it does but it also

02:12:25.920 matters how much does it matter what the threat

02:12:27.680 is to americans do you think there's a threat to americans because of the

02:12:31.400 proliferation of the proxies in iran conceivably there is i'm not pro iran

02:12:36.500 but but beyond conceivably do you think that they mean it when they say for 47

02:12:41.580 years like in my town and no one's doing anything about it at all and i'm

02:12:45.920 hearing a lot about doing anything about that no one's doing anything about

02:12:48.860 it at all okay that's a fact we have a huge country this is a country the size

02:12:53.740 of new jersey with no resources you know it's just a tiny little country

02:12:58.300 we're from a huge continental-sized country that's totally diverse very very

02:13:03.800 hard to manage and police and we have a lot of problems and i just think if you

02:13:11.240 ask americans what do they want to spend their time and money worrying about

02:13:15.900 fixing improving no one's going to mention the border with lebanon that i

02:13:20.580 know do you think i doubt they will but then

02:13:23.280 why are we doing this don't there would like to think that there are people

02:13:26.100 that the u.s government has monitoring what the threats are to americans long

02:13:31.720 term sure yeah you think there's a threat

02:13:33.800 the question is when people thought there was a threat for 47 years

02:13:37.260 well but i don't know that saddam ever said he was going to take down america

02:13:42.900 but you just the iranian regime has said for 47 years they are

02:13:46.580 well you just if they had the capacity of a long-range ballistic missile

02:13:50.200 and nuclear capability do you think they'd light that puppy up and send it to us

02:13:54.540 i don't know um but i know i know this from sitting here last year four wars that i went

02:13:59.520 through in less than a year the iranians rained down ballistic missiles

02:14:03.760 can i ask you a question like how much does it matter what americans think

02:14:07.660 well it matters every bit what americans think that's why americans vote it's why

02:14:12.420 americans have the opportunity to have free speech we want them to have that

02:14:15.760 okay so what percentage of americans support a war with iran

02:14:18.920 i don't know do you know i do it's i think it's around

02:14:22.080 i saw the numbers yesterday i think it was like 21 percent okay

02:14:25.220 is that enough to have a war with ron

02:14:28.260 we don't live in a world where you have a poll taken to find out whether our policy should be a

02:14:36.300 particular direction because i thought i thought you just said that's direct democracy no we care

02:14:41.280 deeply about it but on the other hand do we make the decisions of foreign policy and even domestic

02:14:47.240 policy based on we care deeply about it in what sense how if we're ignoring it then in what sense

02:14:53.140 do we quote care deeply about it well i think we care deeply when we see there's a threat

02:14:57.980 no but about americans opinions so you've got 350 million americans

02:15:01.780 um they vote they voted in this last election on the basis in part of the promise no more wars

02:15:07.820 okay so now we're about to have a war looks like 80 percent of people are against it in that range

02:15:12.400 let's say 70 but nowhere near majority support for this war and it's not direct democracy but it is a

02:15:19.780 form of democracy it's representative democracy the ultimate form of democracy in our system in a

02:15:24.660 republic because we're not a true democracy we're exactly right it's a mediated democracy it'll be

02:15:28.980 an opportunity for americans to vote if they think that we've made the wrong policy decisions i

02:15:34.320 personally think the president is making the right policy but i guess but you just said it matters

02:15:39.300 deeply what americans think and if the overall majority are against it in what sense does it matter

02:15:45.180 because what i hear is it matters what they think but it really doesn't matter what they think because

02:15:49.300 no you take it in you certainly ingest that and then what do you do with it once you ingest it then

02:15:54.440 you make sure that you have no it goes out the other end obviously no it doesn't no it doesn't

02:16:01.480 tucker but you also have information that the average american may not have they may not know what

02:16:08.240 the threat is how many americans know that hezbollah is in 12 western hemisphere countries how many

02:16:12.820 americans care well i would hope they would all care how many americans know how many people from

02:16:17.840 iran from terrorist cells have come across joe biden's open border how many americans care

02:16:24.740 i definitely care about that okay you why haven't they been rounded up but they're trying but you

02:16:30.120 got all these blue state mayors and governors making it very difficult i get it but thank god

02:16:34.440 president trump is trying to get it done look i'm totally all for that completely okay i guess what

02:16:39.240 i'm saying is that most americans over i've never met an american who thinks other than like the people

02:16:45.560 who have ideological reasons to pretend they think it that the imminent threat to america is anything

02:16:51.120 having to do with iran imminent threats to america include like bankruptcy from too much debt your son

02:16:57.260 od'ing on fentanyl your neighborhood completely changing because unlike israel americans don't have

02:17:03.100 a right to their country it can just be completely changed by their legislature new people can show up

02:17:08.280 from foreign countries and not speak your language and there's nothing you can do about it because you

02:17:10.760 don't have a right because you're not bb can you feel the resentment because it's real i'm not against

02:17:15.780 israel i'm against the total destruction you hide that very well i'm mad at my lawmakers for not

02:17:22.560 protecting my country with the care they've protected israel i don't think that your country

02:17:27.640 my country our country has spent that much time protecting israel i asked you a little bit ago they

02:17:33.780 spent no time protecting my country no i ask you well actually they do how they are the tip of the spear

02:17:40.540 every enemy they have is our country things that are targeted toward us often go through them

02:17:46.560 how do we have 60 million illegal aliens if they protected my country well that we didn't protect

02:17:51.120 our country because we had a president that opened up the borders and didn't give a rip

02:17:54.300 going on since reagan coming in since reagan 1986 yeah but that's 40 years president trump the

02:17:59.380 credit for having it closed the border i'm giving i love the fact i campaign for trump because he

02:18:03.900 said he closed the border he did amen thank you trump but we had reagan then we had bush

02:18:09.240 then we had clinton then we had bush again then we had that guy obama and then you know the

02:18:17.640 presidents yeah and they all presided over my country's total transformation from a nice clean

02:18:24.480 affluent orderly society into like pretty kind of third world actually that's not protecting us

02:18:30.820 that's behaving with total contempt for my country you said a moment ago that we do more

02:18:37.100 are you inferred that we do more for israel than we do for ourselves do you believe that no i don't

02:18:43.560 i didn't say we do more for israel it's like but where's the care where's the concern where's the

02:18:48.260 holy smokes there are drug cartels in your neighborhood you're telling me about the border

02:18:51.960 with lebanon and like hezbollah or hezbollah whatever you call it in some latin american country

02:18:56.560 i don't care there are drug cartels in my neighborhood i know people who've died of fentanyl ods

02:19:01.380 where'd the fentanyl come from probably from china from mexico from china through yeah the

02:19:07.160 precursor chemicals they say come from china i get it and who's in that axis with china

02:19:11.840 iran uh larry fink is in that access with no actually actually the heads of our biggest

02:19:18.800 corporations are in that axis with china i don't care about iran at all i care about america

02:19:25.040 and if blowing up iran makes my country richer and safer i'm for it and if it doesn't i'm totally

02:19:31.600 opposed it's that simple i think most americans feel that way no i asked you a question a little

02:19:36.740 bit ago you never got back to because i think it's an important one because one of the things that i

02:19:41.840 sense a tension with you you feel like that we do too much for israel we're getting nothing from it

02:19:46.800 and i ask you how many no i don't think we're getting how many boots on the ground

02:19:51.160 has the u.s placed on behalf of israel however many went to iraq we did that for israel no i don't

02:19:59.460 think we did but you said we did it because of 9-11 that was the u.s justification for it but it

02:20:05.840 wasn't it wasn't 11 so what was the actual reason well that's the u.s government told us it was for 9-11

02:20:12.400 they told us that they were part of it that they had but they weapons of mass destruction they knew

02:20:15.820 they had nothing with 9-11 obviously there's no evidence but i'm telling you that israel was not in

02:20:20.420 that component but here i had no influence on our decision to invade iraq that's not what the

02:20:24.880 people who made the decision say they say israel let me get back to the point gave us that information

02:20:30.400 about the fake weapons of mass destruction where do you think that question came from bb how many

02:20:33.880 how many americans put their boots on the ground for israel the answer is zero everybody who served

02:20:38.460 in iraq that's not their boots on the ground for israel did not did not where did we get the

02:20:43.140 information about the weapons of mass destruction that wasn't real didn't get that from you're saying we

02:20:47.620 got that from israel that israel was one pushed us into that well absolutely you really believe

02:20:52.460 that i know that for a fact so does every yes this has been uh widely written about and discussed

02:20:57.960 and i'm not attacking israel like they thought it was in their interest to take out a government

02:21:02.380 that was paying the families of suicide bombers i get it i'm not mad at israel about that i never

02:21:07.240 have been i'm mad at the bush administration and all the people who went along with this to the

02:21:13.640 detriment of my country that's who i'm mad at not israel bb is doing what he can for his country

02:21:18.000 whether you agree with him or not i want my leaders to do the same for my country that's it

02:21:21.600 i think the present leadership is doing just that i truly do and i don't think that it's at all accurate

02:21:29.140 to even intimate that tiny little israel is pushing the u.s into something it does not want to do

02:21:36.380 i totally our leaders appear to want to do it our public does not want to do it at all the public does

02:21:42.360 not want war with iran bb does he's gotten seven seven trips to the white house the average

02:21:50.520 american question would be hold on the average american doesn't have that level of access and

02:21:57.520 a foreign leader does seven in one year and now we're moving toward war with iran the average

02:22:03.640 american doesn't want that war the average american is outraged don't you understand i'm not attacking

02:22:08.140 bb at all strongest president i've ever seen in my lifetime going back to eisenhower for a second

02:22:13.640 if you're an american no listen to me tucker for gosh sake i'm not attacking trump if you're trump

02:22:18.520 i know but you're making it sound like that he is being pulled into something that he really doesn't

02:22:24.280 want to do or pulled into something because he's persuaded i'm neither saying that nor implied i was

02:22:29.140 in the meeting last week i was in the meetings last summer i can assure you president trump is not

02:22:34.060 being led into something at all to be clear minister netanyahu to be clear i'm neither saying

02:22:41.040 that nor implying it good what i am stating out loud is true and that's that prime minister netanyahu

02:22:47.320 bb netanyahu has way more influence over americans foreign policy than americans do and we know this

02:22:55.900 because he wants a war with iran the overwhelming majority of americans don't want a war with iran

02:23:01.340 and we're very likely to get a war with iran so who has more influence benjamin netanyahu or 80 percent

02:23:07.600 of americans i'm saying that's outrageous that's all i'm saying i would counter that bb netanyahu does

02:23:13.780 not want a war with iran to say that he wants a war you know who's going to be at the very front of

02:23:20.660 that his people and i don't agree with that i'm with him enough to know he does not want a war he

02:23:27.200 doesn't does does he think that there may be a necessity of taking a war in order to prevent

02:23:33.700 an attack on not just israel i don't want the united states but i think i know too much i mean

02:23:38.480 let's let's be real okay so there was uh you know steve wickhoff in my opinion is just a sterling guy

02:23:44.240 just a good guy excellent good guy yeah that's my view yeah and kind of pro-american and just couldn't

02:23:50.440 be nicer and wants the right thing and he's probably trump's best friend he and maybe jared too are

02:23:56.120 involved in a negotiation with hamas are you mean with iran with iran yeah i'm so sorry okay and

02:24:04.740 the israeli government short circus it by hitting iran so like they what do you mean they short

02:24:15.200 circuit about hitting iran they did everything they could to shut down the negotiations between

02:24:22.800 the united states the trump administration and iran and look i wouldn't they're acting again

02:24:30.200 in their own interest but our country should also act in its own interest that's all i'm saying

02:24:36.800 and so don't tell me that bb doesn't want a war with iran he doesn't if jared kushner and steve

02:24:43.540 wickhoff could be successful in getting the president's demands and keep in mind these are

02:24:48.480 the president's demands what are those demands no enrichment no nuclear weapon quit killing your

02:24:53.620 own people in the streets but the tens of thousands you you and i both agree that it's a horrible thing

02:24:58.820 to kill your own citizens which iran is a horrible thing to kill anybody's citizens anybody's citizens

02:25:03.420 we agree on that except that they're 14 year olds working for hamas but no it's still a tragedy

02:25:09.440 no it is sorry i'm being a jerk you really are being i am i know i know i know i'm such a jerk

02:25:15.580 i'm gonna write down you're right you're right i know he's a jerk oh i am a jerk everyone knows

02:25:20.600 that i mean i'm trying to really trying okay okay no but i agree with you 100 of course it's a

02:25:25.100 tragedy that could be done and i pray it can yes and you know why number one because it would be

02:25:30.280 wonderful for everybody number two if there is a war you're going to be 6 000 miles from it you know

02:25:35.460 where i'm going to be in the bullseye do i want there to be a war no do israelis want there to

02:25:41.540 be a war no how many i keep hearing israel's fighting a seven front war right now what are

02:25:48.960 those seven fronts well you got lebanon you have egypt now egypt is not an active war but you have

02:25:55.740 the muslim brotherhood within egypt you've got the muslim brotherhood in jordan you've got syria

02:26:01.840 wait they're fighting war with jordan with the muslim brotherhood that is in jordan not directly

02:26:06.560 with jordan not the government of jordan but are they you've got hezbollah you've got in lebanon

02:26:11.520 hoodies in yemen you have hamas in gaza you have uh the threats that come from iran

02:26:18.960 and how many is that that's seven that's seven okay i'd give you an eighth one you know the eighth

02:26:24.920 one the media now i would tell you there's an eighth front war they fight how many journalists

02:26:31.020 has israel killed in gaza i don't know over 200 it seems like now are they real journalists

02:26:37.100 because a lot of those people that were supposedly journalists were actually hamas fighters that are

02:26:41.560 documented hamas fighters so that's why i ask you how many are actual journalists you know i i don't

02:26:46.960 know but a lot of them were i mean they worked for big news organizations and they had press written

02:26:50.960 on their chest some of them had unruh cars and they were also working for hamas so do you think that

02:26:57.440 over 200 journalists killed in gaza are all fake journalists who deserve to be killed no idea how

02:27:01.580 many the total number is i i don't have their credentials but i know that there were quite a few

02:27:05.560 there were actually hamas fighters that protected hamas ask the hostages the hostages came back and

02:27:12.740 they started telling about the number of people that were doctors in hospitals that held them hostage in

02:27:17.640 their homes are the number of people who are pretending to be journalists who are actually holding

02:27:21.660 them hostage as someone who's telling you that there's there's a lot more to what as someone

02:27:26.420 whose tax dollars helped pay for killing all those civilians in gaza i feel like i have a right to know

02:27:31.360 how many were killed and israel won't let outside observers in to figure it out and i i'm frustrated

02:27:38.880 i just want to say that my last question is about christians um both christians who visit and

02:27:44.560 christians uh who live here particularly in the west bank um i spoke to someone recently um a christian

02:27:54.240 minister who grew up in a town right outside bethlehem we would know it as shepherd's field

02:27:59.560 um in the new testament where the shepherds were tending their flocks in matthew and of course the

02:28:05.280 angels come and announce the arrival of jesus in nearby bethlehem his family's been christian he says for

02:28:10.140 2 000 years he says his where he grew up is now surrounded by settlements um of people who are

02:28:16.800 not from israel at all a lot of them are from the united states jewish settlements they have different

02:28:21.840 roads uh that the native christians are not allowed to use i don't quite know how that works um and he

02:28:28.340 described a story where his mother was shot outside their house by an idf soldier for reasons no one ever

02:28:35.800 explained she survived um but no one was ever punished for it or even explained why they did it

02:28:40.900 and he basically described being terrorized by settlers uh and i wonder if that's a concern

02:28:47.640 for you for the native population the indigenous population did you say this happened in bethlehem

02:28:53.440 uh it happened in shepherd's field so it's a christian village bethsuhur i think is its name

02:29:01.280 outside right outside bethlehem if it's in bethlehem it's not in bethlehem it's again it's i think it's

02:29:07.120 bethsuhur i believe is the name of the village because there are no israelis in bethlehem none

02:29:13.840 there are no jews in bethlehem are there new settlements outside bethlehem where he is from

02:29:17.740 uh over in in area c but not in area a there are none well he describes the town he grew up in and i guess

02:29:25.680 say i wonder why a christian whose family's been there for 2 000 years there are palestinian

02:29:32.540 christians throughout uh why they in samaria that that's true i've been over to visit them i know

02:29:38.040 regularly i know you have and some have been um you know we've advocated for some that are muslim

02:29:43.860 but they're american citizens and we advocated because there was uh but why can't they just

02:29:48.680 drive into jerusalem to go to the church of the holy sepulcher why do they need a permit to do that

02:29:52.800 if they're from because of the acts of terrorism that has made it impossible to do it but you know

02:29:57.720 how many suicides no no no let me you ask this question so what do we do just say you're a

02:30:02.700 christian oh yeah i'm a christian but you're wearing a suicide bomb do christians do suicide bombs

02:30:07.060 they could they could if all they have to do is just say announce i'm a christian

02:30:12.440 there were over a thousand why don't just get an identity card says i'm christian let me just finish

02:30:16.760 this before israel put the the green line up and before they took great care to put checkpoints in

02:30:26.600 place there were over a thousand suicide bombers in one year it was awful i remember it but i don't

02:30:33.280 think any of them were christians and they might not have been okay but but my point is we could find

02:30:37.840 out if they were so you're saying we just trust somebody if they come up and say i'm a christian i

02:30:41.640 just want to go to the holy sepulcher let me in what i'm saying is that christians have a right

02:30:45.880 to go to the holy sepulcher israel does not own it they've had possession of it since 1967 it

02:30:50.340 doesn't belong to bb it belongs to me and you and every other christian bb was a probably a young

02:30:55.780 person i'm not even sure they no christian should ever be barred from the church of the holy sepulcher

02:31:01.880 should christians be barred from joseph's tomb in nabalus i don't know let's just start with the

02:31:06.460 church of the holy sepulcher and i don't understand on what grounds they can go to our book well they can't

02:31:12.040 if they're christians it bets so who are so i don't understand why they're a threat they're not

02:31:17.260 a threat and why won't you as the christian minister u.s ambassador to the state of israel

02:31:23.800 say to the prime minister you can't allow this your country exists in part because american

02:31:29.440 christians support you so you have to treat us well part of the problem tucker is that in the

02:31:33.740 palestinian authority and that's what we're talking about there are christians look i know some

02:31:38.780 christians who live in bethlehem and that is area a bethlehem was 80 plus percent christian

02:31:45.280 before oslo 80 christian less than 20 muslim today it's flipped it's now 80 plus percent muslim

02:31:52.660 it's very few christian and some of the christians that i personally know and know well are zionist

02:31:59.460 let that surprise you they're zionist and some are let me finish my train of thought here okay so in

02:32:06.060 the palestinian authority they still teach children from the time they're five years old

02:32:11.500 that the greatest thing in the world is to kill jews and if they end up being a martyr and if they

02:32:18.340 kill jews they will get a pension for life if they die and if they don't they'll get a paycheck for

02:32:23.460 life and their families will and it's called the prisoners and martyrs fund it's we call it pay for

02:32:28.820 slay in the u.s it is against our lot of christians collecting on that i don't know zero so my question

02:32:35.760 remains and i'm a little bit frustrated at this point okay because i'm not defending hamas i hate

02:32:39.760 suicide bombing i hate suicide i hate violence i hate the killing of children period why can't a

02:32:45.600 christian who was born there whose family's been there for 2 000 years following jesus for 2 000 years

02:32:50.480 drive because it's really close to the church of the holy sepulcher he poses no threat

02:32:56.460 and why can't the united states government advocate for him to do that we do advocate

02:33:01.220 for americans because that's our job and it doesn't matter whether they're palestinian or

02:33:06.600 israeli we do that but as far as when they how many americans are being held in israeli prisons right

02:33:12.640 now um total i don't have a exact number on that i don't know how can you advocate for them if you

02:33:19.520 don't know how many there are well everyone that we know we go visit our consular goes there almost

02:33:23.580 every week and visits the americans it's not a large number uh as far as americans but when we

02:33:29.840 have them we go we go to their trials when they're on trial so yeah we do a lot more than you've given

02:33:35.320 us credit oh i'm giving you credit no no okay please thank you for doing that because we don't

02:33:39.260 get much no we don't get much by the way not every embassy does that i happen to know for a fact they

02:33:44.060 don't advocate for americans in jail and we take our consular services across into the palestinian

02:33:49.420 authority and help people over there some of those are christian some are not some are muslim but if

02:33:55.040 they're americans and they have american citizens put an american passport we help them that makes me so

02:34:01.100 happy to hear i go to ramallah i sit down with the vice president and the prime minister of the

02:34:06.000 palestinian authority we try to work ways to make things better but the reason that sometimes it's not

02:34:13.680 just a absolute free passage i'll tell you why because there are too many incidences of terrorist

02:34:21.680 acts and israel is not going to allow themselves but the christians didn't do it and they're not

02:34:27.940 going to do it and christians pay for all of this they pay for a lot of horrible it's very you can say

02:34:33.680 it's unfair but here's you can't punish the innocent how's that but you got to somehow make

02:34:38.140 sure that you screen people and that's why the checkpoints let me tell you what happened not too

02:34:42.140 very long ago we had a humanitarian aid truck that came across from jordan the driver was supposedly

02:34:49.160 vetted he was a former jordanian military person he came across the checkpoint everything should be

02:34:55.280 fine right he gets out of his truck he takes a gun and he shoots two of the people i believe it who

02:35:00.740 are the israelis at the checkpoint one of whom was a young person less than a year in the job his

02:35:06.420 mother teaches in the american school where our embassy people go in herzalia i get to make the phone

02:35:11.780 call to the mother i'm going to tell you something it was not the most pleasant day of my life it

02:35:16.360 sounds awful it is awful well then so those kind of incidences are the reason that it is difficult

02:35:21.720 to go from judea samaria or the west bank call it whatever you want but if you're in area a which is

02:35:28.220 under the control of the palestinian authority and your education has been that killing jews is a

02:35:34.860 wonderful thing i'm talking about the christians and i'm with the christians if they go to those

02:35:38.300 schools that's still going to get that education when was the last time there was a suicide bomb

02:35:41.440 detonated by a christian i don't know never let me ask you this look i'm not trying to defend

02:35:46.520 but i'm saying to you that if the curriculum doesn't get changed if the pay for sleigh doesn't

02:35:51.280 get changed that doesn't you have a culture but it you say it doesn't apply maybe it never has

02:35:57.900 happened i don't know whether it has ever happened when will palestinians in the west bank have the

02:36:02.740 same rights as israelis in the west bank are you talking about the ones that live in the

02:36:06.820 palestinian authority i'm talking about people who live in the villages they grew up in

02:36:11.180 yeah but changed hands went from one government to another it makes a difference whether they live

02:36:14.640 under the palestinian authority government or whether they live under israeli if they live

02:36:17.680 under area a do you know the difference i do okay i'm saying if they live under area a they live

02:36:21.900 under the palestinian authority government they don't live under israeli government what but it's

02:36:25.500 controlled by the israeli government completely there's no airport they control the utilities i mean

02:36:29.840 this is it's silly i understand there's a form of self-government but the big decisions are made by

02:36:33.700 the israeli government obviously i've been there i know this and you know it too so how long does

02:36:38.520 this go on you say that god gave the nation of israel the right to this land why not just take it

02:36:43.840 declare it israel and make everyone a citizen i don't understand why that's not happening well

02:36:47.200 you know what there are people who think that that would be a much better well what do you think

02:36:51.100 i think it very well could be and if you ask certain people living in the pa under their very

02:36:57.440 corrupt government where 91 of the people think the government is hopelessly corrupt

02:37:01.040 that's what the numbers are they would tell you that they would be better off sure if the israelis

02:37:06.580 were the governing authority everyone gets voting rights would that be the case if they were all

02:37:11.640 under israeli authority you know there are do you you realize there are lots of arab israelis

02:37:18.140 i know and they vote do you know they serve in the knesset i'm very aware of that and i'm just

02:37:23.380 wondering they serve on the supreme court and did you know that it was an arab who sentenced a

02:37:28.280 former president and prime minister to prison i i know all this the question i just want to know

02:37:32.520 what's going to happen you know how many jews get to help govern saudi arabia or qatar or syria i i'm

02:37:40.380 not but i'm not attacking jews this is a much more open government in society and you make it sound

02:37:46.860 like that the israelis sound that way i'm just asking i do you know what i'm not attacking the

02:37:52.980 nation of israel i'm just wondering what the plan is so i've been hearing my whole life how bad the

02:37:56.920 pa is okay great but what's the plan here so they're moving all these americans people from

02:38:02.220 around the world into settlements subsidized by americans in the west bank now they're not moving

02:38:07.340 them from around the world to the settlements they're people who make aliyah they come i'm just

02:38:11.620 these are is these are israelis who live in israel well there are a lot of people an area c is israel

02:38:18.160 okay okay but does it remain a territory under military control forever does it just become part

02:38:25.020 of the state you're talking about the palestinian authority correct that's the big question do you

02:38:29.620 believe in the two-state solution and if you do i would i would show you a map and i would ask you

02:38:35.720 because this is uh i don't know i don't know what i think i just think you need to treat people like

02:38:41.200 human beings and that's not happening obviously and that would be you don't glorify their killing

02:38:46.280 yeah let them go to their church if they want see the yellow parts yeah that's palestinian authority

02:38:51.460 the tan parts that's area b that's the area that is mixed israel has military authority but the

02:39:02.160 palestinians can live anywhere they want to in there and the blue area that's area c area c is israel

02:39:08.500 and israelis can live in israel that's what it is now when people say they want a two-state solution

02:39:14.200 i love to show them a map like this and i ask them where does that state line up there is no

02:39:21.220 contiguous i don't know it works you know we've got a lot of states in the united states that need

02:39:25.280 help so i'm not going to weigh in on other people's states to be totally honest i just don't want to

02:39:28.840 pay for it anymore and just want to fix our own country but let me ask you one last question which is

02:39:32.740 how christians are treated in jerusalem i've talked to so many who've been spit on

02:39:37.080 uh i talked so many how many uh well two yesterday two okay both catholic clergy and both told me the

02:39:45.180 same thing anglican clergy i interviewed i just had dinner recently with a greek uh patriarch

02:39:51.440 would have been a million stories about this yeah i know there are instances where christians get

02:39:56.740 heckled usually it's people who are wearing clerical robes and they're wearing crosses and it shouldn't

02:40:01.060 happen it's horrible it's as bad for that to happen as it is to spit on somebody wearing a kippah

02:40:05.440 in new york city great terrible it's horrible and actually i should to be fair there is and i just

02:40:10.180 learned this a jewish israeli group that keeps track of christians being spit on in jerusalem

02:40:16.800 because they're offended by it and god bless them for keeping track and for being offended by it

02:40:22.060 but there are an awful lot of examples of that and my question to you you're against it of course

02:40:28.100 you're christian clergy horribly against it what is so is the prime minister the president the foreign

02:40:32.680 minister so is i get it i think every no one would defend that thinking person but what is it

02:40:38.080 why are they spitting it's very limited it's very very isolated where does it come from but for the

02:40:43.240 most part you know what as christians we have freedom of movement here tucker i go to church

02:40:47.640 every sunny i play bass guitar in my church band i get it i don't get hassled being a christian everyone

02:40:53.060 here knows i'm the first evangelical to be ambassador to israel do you think they hate me here no

02:40:59.480 are evangelicals recognized by the state of israel yeah they are yeah okay and and welcomed and

02:41:06.300 appreciated no but like as a as a religious like are there evangelical churches in israel

02:41:11.720 my gosh yes there's 184 000 christians in i know i know and much larger than but there are churches

02:41:19.860 that are non-denominational evangelical here of course there are and and it ranges from when you

02:41:27.040 say non-denominational some of them are affiliated baptist assembly of god some of them are truly

02:41:31.340 non-denominational pentecostal some are messianic churches right where um most of the people are

02:41:39.320 um ethnically jewish but they are messianic yes they believe in jesus there are a lot of those

02:41:45.300 churches and they're spread out all over israel so um but there's freedom you don't oh i there are i

02:41:50.420 know a lot of christians in israel by the way yes and i as i said i really hope i can come back and

02:41:55.060 talk to more but and come to church with me oh i definitely would look okay why and i mean it too

02:42:01.460 yeah why would people spit on like where does that come from i think it's from uh an evil heart

02:42:06.920 yeah what else would it be i agree i mean i don't think anybody would ever spit on another person even

02:42:12.040 if it was you know i don't care what a person's religion is or what a person's nationality is i don't

02:42:17.440 hate anybody i wouldn't spit on anybody i wouldn't heckle anyone then i find it repulsive

02:42:21.980 nothing about it is defensible i will say that the one this was off camera but i interviewed this

02:42:28.860 christian uh leader here and i said oh that's so awful and he goes you know i feel blessed

02:42:35.120 because jesus was spit on and it's an opportunity for humility for me and i thought wow that's a

02:42:41.660 christian let me say this i've been coming in and out of jerusalem and israel for 50 well soon to be 53

02:42:48.580 years before i came as ambassador i made over 100 trips here i've never been spat on i've never had

02:42:55.120 someone yell at me um i've never had an experience where i felt uncomfortable or that i was unwelcome

02:43:03.700 um if you spit on someone wearing a yarmulke in new york city you go right to jail they would not put

02:43:10.420 up with that for one second and they do put up with it here because it still happens i'm not sure

02:43:13.320 they do go to jail in new york city they should and they should go to jail here i'm against it they

02:43:18.500 should go to jail here amen so there were all these uh christian ministers who were brought over

02:43:24.280 here evangelicals in december uh and i think mostly to attack me but also probably the other oh they

02:43:31.560 really weren't here to attack you i'm just joking they were attacking but whatever yeah um and but they

02:43:37.740 were flown over by the state the state paid for it and they had a conference here i got one of the

02:43:43.920 guides that they received when they arrived and i think it's real and it says don't preach about

02:43:49.880 jesus when you're in israel we don't we don't allow that don't do that really yeah why would a

02:43:57.080 christian minister agree not to preach about jesus i'm not sure because i have i've never heard someone

02:44:04.320 tell another christian minister not to do that interesting good well i was i was i mean totally

02:44:10.080 baffled what would be the purpose of going to church as a christian if you didn't talk about

02:44:14.220 jesus agree more thank you i can assure you that that the church i attend we talk about jesus i mean

02:44:19.460 we pray in the name of jesus no no i don't get it to anyone else outside the church are you allowed

02:44:24.520 like could i stand in the corner and just tell people about jesus here you could i'm not saying you'd

02:44:30.220 get applause or that people right that's fine but i'm but i'm saying there are people that there's no

02:44:34.620 law against that though not that i'm aware of the only laws that that i know of you can't proselytize

02:44:41.240 someone under the age of 18 and you cannot offer people things of value in order to cause them to

02:44:47.620 listen to your presentation for example i can't say hey for ten dollars would you let me give you

02:44:52.180 this gospel track and and scream at you can't do that right i don't know if it's enforced i'm not

02:44:58.420 sure i don't ever hear anyone arrested for it but they're no there's no law against just like

02:45:02.800 preaching to walk down to the old city you'll hear people you know out there preaching on the

02:45:08.100 street now are they effective i don't know i'm not sure that people are stopping and falling on

02:45:12.960 their knees and saying this is what i've been waiting for i don't know but what i'm telling you

02:45:17.020 is that the idea that you can't say it i know that there are places in the rest of this region

02:45:23.380 where you can't do that for sure yeah cutter you can't wear a cross in public for sure you can't

02:45:29.380 pray in public i've seen a lot of people wearing crosses in cutter but in cutter no i have but i

02:45:35.400 don't know what the laws are yeah in saudi arabia don't think so i doubt it the one place is an

02:45:40.840 exception is the emiratis and i love those folks because they are so um progressive and they're doing

02:45:48.360 so many things to change the the template of things they have a abraham house that is it is

02:45:55.740 a combination synagogue church and mosque that's pretty amazing isn't it that they have the same

02:46:02.100 building and they use it for all three of the major religions of the world and i think that's

02:46:06.780 incredible um but they're really trying to do things that are beyond what anyone else in the region

02:46:14.240 they change their textbooks they teach that israel is not a nation they should hate or seek to

02:46:21.420 annihilate they've done some remarkable things following all this stuff in the i agree that

02:46:26.360 they have a hindu temple in abu dhabi you've been following all this like hate the muslim stuff going

02:46:31.380 on in the united states on the right i i hear some of it and it's uh it's unpleasant we shouldn't hate

02:46:36.700 anybody amen yeah it's not a good thing hate is a an evil thing yeah i don't uh you know sometimes

02:46:43.900 you say i don't support child killing okay i don't either but i don't support hate in any form i

02:46:49.640 think it's a horrible thing that is such a great standard and i want to hold myself to that and thank

02:46:55.380 you for saying that out loud i don't hate you i hope not governor ambassador thank you very much for

02:47:02.300 spending all this time i appreciate it i'm glad you came oh please come back i will go with me to

02:47:07.280 places and places and a church i want you to see that as christians we're pretty free here amen

02:47:15.580 appreciate it thank you and welcome

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The Tucker Carlson Show - February 22, 2026

Tucker Confronts Mike Huckabee on America’s Toxic Relationship With Israel

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