The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker Responds to the Israel Lobby Defeating Thomas Massie and Killing MAGA

00:00:00.000 I was thinking last night when Massey lost in Kentucky, I was thinking back to Trump's inauguration, the morning of the Trump inauguration, which amazingly was only last year, last January, January 20th.

00:00:11.940 And I was in Washington for that, and Trump invited me to church on the morning before he was sworn in, and so, of course, I went.

00:00:19.480 And it was at St. John's, the Episcopal Church in Lafayette Square, where pretty much every president has gone on the morning of the inauguration.

00:00:25.960 So I showed up, happens to be my denomination, the Episcopal Church, so I know the church

00:00:30.500 pretty well.

00:00:30.980 I know people who work there.

00:00:32.060 So I was pretty excited about going and saying a prayer for this presidency.

00:00:37.120 So I'm standing outside, it may be 6.45 in the morning, and it is freezing.

00:00:42.180 And if you've been to Washington in the winter, you know it's mostly pretty temperate.

00:00:45.960 But the cold days are very cold, and there's something about the cold in a city that is

00:00:49.480 biting.

00:00:49.980 Even if you like cold, it's tough.

00:00:51.540 And this was probably 12 degrees and windy.

00:00:54.820 And I remember that very well because we were standing in line in a security line waiting to go through the magnetometer.

00:01:00.720 And the Secret Service was there.

00:01:01.820 It was a whole rigmarole and dogs.

00:01:03.360 And they were taking forever.

00:01:05.080 It's not their fault, but the protocols are complex.

00:01:07.760 And it was awful staying.

00:01:09.900 They were kind of stamping our feet and grousing.

00:01:12.020 Not many people.

00:01:12.840 It was a pretty small church service.

00:01:14.220 But the people were standing in line were like, let's get going and get into church.

00:01:17.120 and as we're standing there feeling freezing

00:01:19.820 waiting to be searched by federal law enforcement 0.99

00:01:22.580 a woman brushed by me on the left side 1.00

00:01:26.320 kind of walking fast 1.00

00:01:27.600 older woman not very tall

00:01:30.560 and I recognized her

00:01:31.640 and it was Miriam Adelson 0.99

00:01:33.580 and she blew past me and everybody else in line 1.00

00:01:37.060 and went right to the front 0.99

00:01:38.480 right to the magnetometer 0.90

00:01:39.720 announced who she was 0.95

00:01:40.920 and walked on in

00:01:42.380 and I thought to myself

00:01:44.980 Miriam Adelson

00:01:46.020 Do I know vaguely? Not really. But I knew that she was the biggest or one of the biggest donors to the Trump campaign in Israeli, born in Israel, widow of Sheldon Adelson, the biggest Republican donor, the casino magnet.

00:02:00.740 But more than anything, a fervent neocon. Her main issue is American support for Israel. She says this. It's not a secret. And she spends accordingly.

00:02:09.300 and she brushes past me, I remember thinking this, and everybody else and just walks right 0.80

00:02:15.940 in like she owns the place. And I remember thinking, hmm, I hope this isn't an omen.

00:02:22.100 I hope it's not a sign of things to come. It feels a little bit like a metaphor.

00:02:26.080 I hope that's not real. So I kind of sublimated it, tried not to think about it, finally got

00:02:31.480 into church, sat alone in a pew with Charlie Kirk, had a great time. We were both almost

00:02:37.800 jubilant, really, that Trump had been elected. We didn't think he would, but he did. And we were

00:02:43.860 thrilled, not just because we like Trump, which we did because he's hilarious and fun to talk to

00:02:48.280 and interesting, but because he ran on ideas that we agreed with really strongly. And first among

00:02:57.240 them was the idea, self-evident really, that the U.S. government ought to serve, in fact, it exists

00:03:03.220 to serve the interests of American citizens. And it really has no other role in the world. Doesn't

00:03:07.920 mean it has to strike a bellicose posture toward anyone else. Hurting other people isn't necessary,

00:03:12.720 but helping your own people is the only reason you exist if you're the U.S. government or one

00:03:17.200 of its many employees. And the American president should proceed from that commitment. I am here to

00:03:24.260 serve my people as a father does with his children, an officer with his men, etc. That's leadership.

00:03:29.780 service to the people you lead and a love for those people and both of us were convinced at

00:03:36.080 the time that Donald Trump was that man that he was truly America first and because he was

00:03:42.100 this would be a great moment for our country a much needed relief from a worldview that put

00:03:49.560 America at the bottom of its concerns but that would also change the Republican Party which

00:03:55.120 was meaningful because the Republican Party along with Trump had just taken total control of the

00:03:58.460 country. Both houses in Congress, House and Senate, the White House, majority of the Supreme

00:04:06.460 Court appointed by Republicans, the Republicans were in charge. And we hoped and at the moment

00:04:11.280 we believed that the Republican Party would change along with Trump its new leader and that it would

00:04:17.340 change in one specific way. It would come to put the concerns of Americans first, period. That's

00:04:22.920 it. We can argue about how best to serve them, but serving them has to be the goal.

00:04:27.740 And so we imagine, Charlie Kirk and I, we may have talked about this in The Pew, that we would see the Republican Party suddenly populated by a lot of people like, well, like Thomas Massey.

00:04:37.620 I can't remember if we actually talked about Thomas Massey, but we had before and Charlie Kirk had talked a lot about Thomas Massey.

00:04:45.120 And Charlie Kirk loved Thomas Massey, not just as a person because he was honest and decent, but because Thomas Massey's orientation was purely about what's best for the country.

00:04:54.480 And again, he said it many times, including in this representative interview of Thomas

00:05:01.020 Massey.

00:05:01.660 Here's Charlie Kirk.

00:05:03.200 He loves liberty.

00:05:04.600 He's honest and he's tough, and he's going to really go after the intel agencies.

00:05:10.480 It's Thomas Massey, who's just terrific from Kentucky.

00:05:14.580 Congressman Massey, welcome to the program.

00:05:16.680 Hey, thanks for having me on, Charlie.

00:05:18.680 This might sound like a strange question, but I know it's on everybody's mind.

00:05:22.100 you're going to be on the committee that will oversee the most powerful institutions on the

00:05:26.860 planet, the FBI, the CIA, maybe the IRS. Are you concerned for your own safety and or what they

00:05:35.560 might try to do to blackmail you? Oh, absolutely. By the way, you're not qualified to be on this

00:05:40.720 committee if you don't realize that there will be an effort to discredit me. It's poignant and

00:05:48.020 honestly kind of fascinating in retrospect to hear Charlie Kirk express alarm at the behavior

00:05:53.700 of the intel agencies. Are you afraid they're going to kill you or blackmail you? He says to

00:05:57.600 Thomas Massey. Charlie Kirk was thinking about that even then. It was only eight months after

00:06:04.200 the inauguration, less than that Charlie Kirk, of course, was murdered, assassinated in public in a

00:06:09.040 very, very strange shooting. And at around the same time, Donald Trump pivoted from the promises

00:06:16.920 that we at the time believed

00:06:19.220 to become something completely different.

00:06:21.680 It would have been unimaginable for us

00:06:24.560 sitting in those pews at St. John's

00:06:26.120 across from the White House

00:06:26.960 on the morning of the inauguration

00:06:28.100 to picture Donald Trump

00:06:29.720 covering up the Epstein files,

00:06:31.860 encouraging more secrecy,

00:06:33.600 encouraging more surveillance,

00:06:34.660 more spying on Americans,

00:06:36.580 to be encouraging data centers

00:06:38.120 across the country to abet that surveillance.

00:06:41.660 And above all,

00:06:42.640 it would have been stunning for us.

00:06:44.720 In fact, we wouldn't have been able

00:06:45.420 to comprehend it that morning in January of last year, that Donald Trump would be cheerleading

00:06:51.900 a regime change war in the Middle East against Iran of all Middle Eastern nations, the biggest

00:06:58.820 and most powerful. Because both of us understood the point of Donald Trump and the reason that we

00:07:04.660 supported him was because he would never do anything like that. That morning, the morning

00:07:10.260 of the inauguration, both Charlie Kirk and I believed that Donald Trump had meant what he said.

00:07:15.420 in speech after speech, in public, in conversations with us,

00:07:18.480 endless conversations with both of us on this exact topic.

00:07:22.300 And so if you're trying now to remember the Donald Trump that we thought was real

00:07:26.820 on the morning of the inauguration, here's a reminder.

00:07:30.200 This is a speech that Trump gave in 2020.

00:07:33.180 Biden shipped away our jobs, threw open our borders,

00:07:36.740 and sent our youth to fight in these crazy endless wars.

00:07:39.980 And it's one of the reasons the military,

00:07:41.700 I'm not saying the military is in love with me,

00:07:43.400 the soldiers are. The top people in the Pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing

00:07:49.000 but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the

00:07:54.280 planes and make everything else stay happy. Let's bring our soldiers back home. Some people don't

00:08:00.960 like to come home. Some people like to continue to spend money. One cold-hearted globalist

00:08:07.040 betrayal after another. That's what it was. One cold-hearted globalist betrayal after another.

00:08:15.100 That's what it was. And he was right. That's exactly what it was. One cold-hearted globalist

00:08:22.020 betrayal after another. Betrayals of the United States and its future, the future of our children,

00:08:27.220 including the children that your children may not have because of those betrayals.

00:08:31.440 Charlie Kirk was very upset about this. He was articulate in explaining why he was upset about it.

00:08:35.680 and he sincerely believed that Trump would change it,

00:08:38.420 Trump and people like Thomas Massey.

00:08:41.900 It's hard to imagine what he would think

00:08:44.840 about the remarks that Donald Trump,

00:08:46.680 the same man that he voted for and campaigned for

00:08:48.840 and went to pray for in the church

00:08:50.180 the morning of the inauguration,

00:08:52.200 what he would have thought of the Donald Trump

00:08:53.720 on display yesterday when he said this, watch.

00:08:56.920 I'm right now at 99% in Israel.

00:08:59.960 I could run for prime minister.

00:09:01.280 So maybe after I do this,

00:09:03.580 I'll go to Israel, run for prime minister.

00:09:05.680 I had a poll this morning. I'm 99 percent. So that's the president of the United States

00:09:11.700 bragging about his popularity in a foreign country. I'm 99 percent in Israel. Unmentioned

00:09:18.820 is the fact that he's 35 percent in the United States. 35 percent support from Americans,

00:09:25.420 the people he pledged to represent, to fight for, whose side he promised to take in every

00:09:32.480 conflict, foreign and domestic. And yet there he is bragging about how popular he is in a foreign

00:09:39.100 country, the same country that got us into the war that is causing, to some extent, his unpopularity

00:09:46.240 in this country. Speaking of cold-hearted globalist betrayals, now you can say, well,

00:09:52.760 that's just Trump searching for affirmation wherever he can. Unpopular at home, he retreats

00:09:59.100 into the fantasy of his popularity in another country.

00:10:01.180 Well, yes, true.

00:10:04.120 But it's not a one-time exhibition of this.

00:10:10.440 That president has spent the last year

00:10:14.820 looking outward toward the approval of other nations.

00:10:22.180 That president has spent the last year

00:10:24.800 fighting for people who are not his voters,

00:10:27.460 and in many cases, not even American,

00:10:29.100 and allowing his own country to languish.

00:10:33.800 The last year has not made America great again.

00:10:37.980 The last year has diminished American power

00:10:40.800 at a rate some of us thought was unimaginable.

00:10:44.360 We couldn't have foreseen

00:10:46.060 less than a year and a half ago,

00:10:49.120 sitting in St. John's,

00:10:50.400 the damage that this administration

00:10:53.260 led by that president

00:10:54.840 for whom we campaigned and liked personally

00:10:57.920 could do to this country.

00:11:02.620 How did this happen?

00:11:04.800 Well, historians are going to have to figure that out.

00:11:07.060 What was the change?

00:11:08.440 Was Donald Trump a sleeper cell the entire time

00:11:11.160 working on behalf of Benjamin Netanyahu

00:11:13.000 while pretending to be an America First patriot?

00:11:15.640 Maybe.

00:11:16.640 Hard to imagine that.

00:11:18.860 This is someone who tends to externalize everything,

00:11:21.780 who tends to say what he's thinking,

00:11:23.580 probably doesn't have the self-control

00:11:24.840 to be a long-term sleeper agent.

00:11:27.920 and so if that's true if trump really did change completely not just by six degrees but by 180

00:11:35.820 degrees what caused the change what was the moment where donald trump decided i really don't care

00:11:42.260 what the people who voted for me think in fact i don't think i like them very much

00:11:45.200 and what i really care about is what a foreign prime minister and some widowed casino magnet

00:11:53.600 think of me. Who knows what caused that change? But the change is demonstrable.

00:12:01.220 When did you first notice? I'll tell you when I first noticed it was last summer.

00:12:05.300 And the spark wasn't the war with Iran. It was the Epstein files.

00:12:12.860 Why the Epstein files? Well, out of nowhere, the president who had effectively told his voters

00:12:19.800 that he would declassify the Epstein files

00:12:21.980 along with the files pertain to all kinds of controversial

00:12:25.220 and much discussed events

00:12:27.220 around which conspiracy theories have grown,

00:12:29.260 notably the JFK assassination,

00:12:31.160 but not just that, all of them.

00:12:33.860 There's too much secrecy in the federal government.

00:12:36.420 That's what the president,

00:12:38.540 the now president said again and again.

00:12:40.420 Why is there secrecy?

00:12:41.300 Because secrecy hides corruption.

00:12:43.420 You can't be corrupt in the open, of course.

00:12:46.100 you need to be shielded by secrecy by the way this is a president who was indicted

00:12:53.680 and threatened with the rest of his life in prison for violating secrecy laws secrecy laws which were

00:13:00.120 not written to protect american national security of course not and they haven't they didn't prevent

00:13:05.920 jonathan pollard stealing our key military secrets and giving them to the israeli government which

00:13:11.280 promptly gave them to the soviets that didn't help at all no those laws were written

00:13:15.940 to prevent you, the people who pay for the federal government, from learning what the

00:13:19.900 federal government is actually doing. Secrecy abets corruption. It's obvious. None of this can

00:13:26.340 thrive in sunlight. It dies, famously. And so the pledge, the promise, the core promise

00:13:33.560 behind America First and Drain the Swamp and every other slogan, all of which I loved,

00:13:39.000 I'll just say it and love to this day. The pledge behind all of those was to let people know what

00:13:47.040 their own government is doing, both because they have a right to know and because once they do

00:13:52.140 know, the corruption will stop. It's about corruption. It's about a justice system that

00:13:57.760 does not treat every person as a citizen, much less a child of God, but treats them as members

00:14:02.640 of castes. And members of some castes have to obey the law and members of other castes don't.

00:14:08.260 There is not equal treatment under the law. Therefore, there is no justice. Therefore,

00:14:12.300 the most basic promise of America, which is that you will be judged by what you do,

00:14:17.540 is invalid. And so is democracy itself. How can you vote for things if you don't know what they

00:14:23.040 are? Well, you can't. You have no control in a world where the most important facts are hidden

00:14:30.920 from you. And that obvious observation, which spoke not just to Republicans, but to a lot of

00:14:38.420 non-Republicans, famously, people who made up the Trump 2024 coalition, that promise was the promise.

00:14:47.060 The government will work for you and you alone, and you will know that because you're going to

00:14:51.280 know what the government is doing. Because of course, foreign lobbying of your government or

00:14:57.820 lobbying by big pharma or lobbying by anybody of your government is by definition corruption

00:15:03.440 because it gives more weight to the preferences of a small group of people than to the majority.

00:15:08.740 It's a betrayal. It's a corruption of democracy. It is corruption.

00:15:13.180 And there is probably no figure in modern history who embodies corruption more perfectly than

00:15:19.280 Jeffrey Epstein. Not because he was the worst person who ever lived. He wasn't. He was just

00:15:24.860 an employee in a much larger structure. He wasn't making independent decisions. Come on now.

00:15:30.460 But he got away with it. Jeffrey Epstein somehow won Powerball in the state of Oklahoma and

00:15:36.540 collected almost $30 million. Jeffrey Epstein won Powerball. Okay, now, how'd that happen?

00:15:41.960 Wasn't from Oklahoma. No one's ever explained how he won. The feds looked into it. No explanation.

00:15:47.520 He just somehow collected almost $30 million from Powerball. Okay, now, so what's the lesson there?

00:15:54.440 The lesson and the reason it's funny

00:15:55.800 is because the system is rigged

00:15:57.440 and everyone knows it's rigged

00:15:58.720 and Epstein proves that it's rigged.

00:16:01.360 And at some point it was rigged

00:16:02.700 apparently against Epstein.

00:16:04.700 How do we know that?

00:16:06.580 Well, because on July 6th, 2019,

00:16:09.840 he was arrested at Teterboro Private Airport

00:16:11.960 outside New York City

00:16:13.260 on a flight from Paris

00:16:15.060 and he was charged with basically

00:16:16.660 the same crimes he'd been charged with

00:16:17.920 back in 2006 by the state of Florida.

00:16:21.600 Now, you would think that that would be

00:16:23.360 not allowed, double jeopardy

00:16:26.020 while the feds made the case.

00:16:27.060 Well, that was, those were state charges.

00:16:28.680 These are federal charges,

00:16:29.940 but he had a federal

00:16:31.020 non-prosecution agreement.

00:16:33.060 It's not a defense of Jeffrey Epstein,

00:16:34.960 of course.

00:16:36.820 It's merely noting the obvious,

00:16:38.380 which is what the Justice Department

00:16:39.800 did to Jeffrey Epstein in 2019

00:16:41.960 was very weird.

00:16:43.700 And no one has ever explained

00:16:44.320 why they did that.

00:16:45.140 But what we do know

00:16:45.920 is that a month and three days

00:16:47.760 after he was arrested at Titoboro Airport,

00:16:49.920 he was dead and he was murdered.

00:16:53.360 That's obvious.

00:16:55.340 And it was never investigated.

00:16:57.380 That's a fact.

00:16:59.100 So what does that add up to?

00:17:01.700 Well, I don't know.

00:17:03.540 Draw your own conclusions.

00:17:04.700 Here you have a guy who's entangled with multiple intel agencies from a bunch of different countries, notably the United States and Israel, but also British intelligence, probably the French, the usual panoply.

00:17:16.320 And he's running around the world as an arms dealer and a connector, and he's got some relationship to 9-11.

00:17:21.920 What is that?

00:17:22.500 He wins Powerball.

00:17:23.360 he's operating at the highest levels he's not running anything but he's operating at those

00:17:28.260 levels and he knows a lot a lot a lot and one day he is summoned back from paris and arrested

00:17:34.220 and a month later he's murdered so it stands to reason that anyone involved in any of that

00:17:40.660 probably had direct involvement in his murder

00:17:43.860 no one ever asked these questions that's not considered interesting because it's not related

00:17:50.480 to sex. But it may be a little bit closer to the heart of why this is such a touchy subject for

00:17:55.840 this administration. Because keep in mind, Donald Trump was president in 2019. And it was his

00:18:01.720 attorney general, Attorney General Barr, the son, strangely, of the man who had given Jeffrey Epstein

00:18:08.200 his first job teaching at the Dalton School and then helped get him a job at Bear Stearns,

00:18:12.260 and then launched him into whatever world he occupied until he was murdered

00:18:15.900 under the authority of Attorney General Barr.

00:18:20.700 Kind of weird.

00:18:22.140 Well, so weird that at very least it demands an explanation,

00:18:26.000 which we've never received.

00:18:27.980 In any case, probably not going to receive one anytime soon

00:18:31.720 because the president who could explain it

00:18:34.500 was remarkably touchy about the subject.

00:18:37.680 Very, very touchy.

00:18:39.300 And whenever it came up,

00:18:41.100 and this was a shock to a lot of his supporters,

00:18:43.200 he didn't just brush it off and say,

00:18:44.920 oh yeah, we'll get to that

00:18:45.900 after we fixed the economy

00:18:47.140 and lowered gas prices

00:18:48.220 and made it possible

00:18:48.840 for your son to get a job.

00:18:51.400 Now, his response was,

00:18:53.460 well, hysterical. 1.00

00:18:54.520 Shut up! 1.00

00:18:55.960 Anyone who asks about Epstein 1.00

00:18:58.240 is not my supporter

00:18:59.260 and I don't want your support.

00:19:00.320 He said that in a Truth Social post

00:19:01.900 at the time, last summer.

00:19:03.320 Look it up.

00:19:05.020 And so for those of us

00:19:05.960 who campaigned for Trump

00:19:06.780 and voted for him and liked him,

00:19:08.360 the first thought was,

00:19:08.960 what is this?

00:19:10.320 Isn't the whole point

00:19:11.340 of your administration

00:19:12.120 to drain the swamp?

00:19:14.920 Isn't this why you got elected?

00:19:17.160 So you could end this two-tiered system 0.99

00:19:19.660 where some people get to molest kids

00:19:21.040 and win Powerball in Oklahoma 0.95

00:19:22.140 and everything's fine until they're murdered somehow,

00:19:25.140 but no one could ever figure out how?

00:19:27.960 And the rest of us who get arrested

00:19:31.900 for having three beers and driving to 7-Eleven,

00:19:35.220 get arrested because you make a mistake on your tax form.

00:19:38.240 Not all of us have a Department of Justice

00:19:41.480 ordered respite from federal audits.

00:19:44.920 Some of us are subject to federal audits

00:19:47.260 and know that we'll get them if we step out of line.

00:19:50.600 So it would be nice, and again,

00:19:52.260 this was the promise of the campaign

00:19:53.700 and of the administration

00:19:54.460 and the reason that some of us filed into church,

00:19:57.360 though behind Mary Madelson,

00:20:00.280 on that cold morning a year and a half ago.

00:20:02.740 Why would Donald Trump shut down any,

00:20:05.960 not just investigation into,

00:20:07.100 but any conversation about the guy

00:20:09.260 who embodies the corruption he was elected to end?

00:20:11.900 that thought has never left my mind and probably the mind of a lot of other people

00:20:17.640 was trump involved in some weird sex thing probably not actually that might be better

00:20:24.960 than the actual answer and the actual answer may be that donald trump is covering up for

00:20:31.680 exactly the people he was elected to expose so that was the moment well apparently thomas

00:20:39.440 Massey didn't get the memo, but that is totally off limits. Talk about whatever you want. You can

00:20:44.880 make fun of Kamala Harris's teeth, but you don't talk about Epstein because the whole point of the

00:20:49.460 Republican Party is to make sure that we don't talk about Epstein. Isn't that right? Isn't that

00:20:52.340 what he became a Republican? Thomas Massey didn't get the memo and he started saying in his kind of

00:20:57.360 autistic forthright way, what about Epstein? I want to know about Epstein. And rather than just

00:21:02.920 brush him off or blow him off or ignore him, Donald Trump fixated on him and began to hate

00:21:09.540 Thomas Massey. And in a move that may reveal what the Epstein story is really about,

00:21:16.660 he made common cause with some of his biggest donors. Those would include

00:21:19.540 Paul Singer. Paul Singer, a liberal who is somehow one of the biggest donors in the Republican

00:21:26.900 Party and John Paulson and, of course, Miriam Adelson. And they colluded, in effect, to destroy

00:21:34.540 Thomas Massey. Now, Thomas Massey, in addition to calling for more disclosure of the Epstein 0.52

00:21:41.500 documents, which, by the way, belong to the citizens of the United States, they aren't the

00:21:45.060 personal property of any federal bureaucrat. They belong to the people of the country who also,

00:21:50.800 by the way, own the federal detention center in which Epstein was murdered and are therefore

00:21:56.320 owed an explanation of who murdered him and why, and why hasn't that person been arrested.

00:22:02.000 In any case, Thomas Massey demanded this. But Thomas Massey also had another distinction,

00:22:08.380 another asterisk by his name. Out of 217 Republicans in the Congress,

00:22:13.400 Thomas Massey is the only one who's never taken money from the Israeli lobby. He's the only one.

00:22:19.820 And Thomas Massey's never been opposed to Israel in any sense. You can search the archive for

00:22:25.560 Thomas Massey attacking Israel or Jews or anything on the topic. Doesn't seem that interested. Thomas

00:22:32.080 Massey's position is a principled one and a consistent one going back decades. The United

00:22:37.180 States has a lot of problems and maybe first among them is a debt problem. The United States is

00:22:41.340 bankrupt, beyond bankrupt. The United States is so deeply in debt that its creditors are worried

00:22:46.780 and we cannot afford to send any more foreign aid to anyone. That would include Egypt,

00:22:54.400 and it would very much include the largest recipient of foreign aid by far,

00:23:00.820 which is Israel, which is not strategically important to the United States in any sense.

00:23:04.580 We receive nothing of value from Israel, nothing.

00:23:09.080 And when you compare whatever tech we receive, the spyware on our phones, 0.55

00:23:14.760 against the cost in dead Americans and in American dollars,

00:23:20.180 and in the total isolation now of the United States, 0.69

00:23:23.860 which is in part the result of our alliance with Israel,

00:23:26.260 it's not a good deal for us. 0.70

00:23:28.500 And so Thomas Bessie has stood alone all of these years.

00:23:31.000 He's made zero headway in stopping aid to Israel

00:23:34.180 or in even changing minds about Israel.

00:23:37.180 But he has persisted in his lonely,

00:23:40.820 principled campaign against foreign aid.

00:23:44.020 And so because of that,

00:23:45.440 Trump colluded with three of his donors,

00:23:50.620 including his biggest, Mary Madelson,

00:23:52.780 to destroy Thomas Massey and to end his career in Congress 0.99

00:23:57.760 by beating him in the Republican primary

00:23:59.560 in the 4th District of Kentucky,

00:24:02.300 a place we can bet Mary Madelson has never been to 0.98

00:24:05.320 and could not find on a map 0.99

00:24:06.680 and in which she has no real interests.

00:24:09.520 And that makes you wonder,

00:24:10.660 well, why would she and her fellow neocon billionaires

00:24:14.440 spend tens of millions of dollars

00:24:16.420 to kick Thomas Massey out of the Congress. 0.99

00:24:19.620 And of course, because Israel, that's it. 0.58

00:24:22.800 Thomas Massey criticized, not Israel,

00:24:25.140 but America's relationship with Israel.

00:24:27.580 And that can't be allowed.

00:24:30.580 What's interesting is that it wasn't just Trump

00:24:32.880 and it wasn't just his donors,

00:24:34.820 Mary Madelson and Paul Singer and Paulson and the rest.

00:24:39.620 It was the entire American news media,

00:24:43.240 left and right.

00:24:45.120 Here's CBS News interviewing Thomas Massey about his race

00:24:49.480 in really one of the remarkable clips of the past month.

00:24:52.160 Watch this.

00:24:53.000 There have been more than $32 million spent on a primary

00:24:58.560 in this congressional district,

00:25:00.000 which is now the most expensive House primary ever in the United States.

00:25:05.080 Is it worth it?

00:25:06.480 You'd have to ask Miriam Adelson on May 20th if it was worth it.

00:25:10.760 Because, you know, they tried to buy my vote for 14 years

00:25:13.900 and it was never for sale.

00:25:15.820 Now they're trying to buy a seat here in Kentucky.

00:25:18.480 You know that kind of criticism doesn't sit well with fellow Republicans,

00:25:22.020 at least in the House Republican Conference,

00:25:24.520 that there are others who have accused you of all sorts of things

00:25:29.040 regarding Israel, regarding the state of Israel,

00:25:32.900 regarding the Israeli government, regarding Jewish Americans.

00:25:36.060 Are you anti-Semitic?

00:25:37.780 They're trying to tell you that it's anti-Semitic for me

00:25:41.920 to expose the fact that the Republican Jewish coalition

00:25:45.840 has spent millions of dollars in this race.

00:25:48.880 That a dual citizen, Miriam Adelson,

00:25:51.580 who even Trump says is more loyal to Israel

00:25:54.240 than the United States,

00:25:55.460 has spent millions of dollars in this race. 0.97

00:25:57.580 Those are mere facts.

00:25:59.220 And it's really-

00:26:00.100 It's a yes or no.

00:26:00.760 Are you anti-Semitic or not? 0.94

00:26:01.780 Oh, hell no. 0.61

00:26:02.440 I'm hell no anti-Semitic.

00:26:04.520 But here's the danger that AIPAC runs.

00:26:06.820 They've been too cute by a half.

00:26:08.500 They've tried to get Mike Johnson,

00:26:09.840 and he's willingly done this,

00:26:11.120 conflate in resolutions on the House floor

00:26:13.960 that anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism.

00:26:17.140 Or even worse yet,

00:26:18.100 that if you don't support Benjamin Netanyahu's war in Gaza,

00:26:21.580 then you're anti-Semitic.

00:26:22.900 That's absolutely false.

00:26:24.520 And it does Jewish Americans a big disfavor

00:26:27.400 to equate the two.

00:26:29.200 You gotta wonder what that kid from CBS News is being paid

00:26:31.820 and does he ask himself, is it worth it?

00:26:34.540 So he of course asked the question to Massey,

00:26:37.600 which is not a question, it's slander posing as a question.

00:26:40.240 you know, are you an anti-Semite? There's no evidence Massey's an anti-Semite. He's never

00:26:44.360 said anything, not one thing, anti-Semitic, ever, because he's not an anti-Semite. Are you an

00:26:49.840 anti-Semite? To which Massey says, no, actually, the Republican Jewish coalition is spending

00:26:53.320 millions to beat me because I don't believe in sending more money to Israel to fund their

00:26:59.700 genocide against the Palestinians. He doesn't say that, but that's what this is about. Should

00:27:03.940 the United States government pay for a genocide? No, would be the answer for most people.

00:27:09.720 But the reporter doesn't even listen to it.

00:27:11.880 Are you an anti-Semite?

00:27:12.700 Yes or no?

00:27:14.600 So she almost was Massey and said,

00:27:15.620 well, yeah, yeah, well, I'm an anti-Semite,

00:27:17.120 but I mean, what?

00:27:19.120 Are you an anti-Semite?

00:27:21.520 So the reporter gets to say it twice. 0.93

00:27:24.040 Anti-Semite, anti-Semite.

00:27:25.300 When Massey's critique of our foreign aid package

00:27:29.660 to Israel has nothing to do with Judaism,

00:27:33.700 Jewish ethnic identity,

00:27:35.120 it has no connection whatsoever to blood libel

00:27:37.740 or well poisoning or any of the historical examples

00:27:42.240 that are often dredged up to compare 0.93

00:27:44.400 people like Thomas Massey to, you're a Nazi.

00:27:47.460 He's in no sense a Nazi.

00:27:48.620 In fact, he's an anti-authoritarian,

00:27:50.920 unlike the reporter from CBS News,

00:27:52.840 who's bludgeoning him over the head with slander.

00:27:55.880 So you may say to yourself,

00:27:56.640 well, of course, that's CBS News.

00:27:57.800 You may not even be aware that that was bought

00:28:00.380 by a huge contributor to the IDF,

00:28:04.440 the Israel Defense Forces.

00:28:05.400 And part of the rationale, maybe the main rationale for having CBS News at all at this point is to ask questions like that.

00:28:12.160 If you didn't know those facts, you might think, well, that's just the mainstream media, the lamestream media.

00:28:18.420 Using the same tactics they always have, slander, innuendo, attacks posing as questions, not bothering to listen to the answer, totally interested in the reality of anything, pushing an agenda.

00:28:31.560 And you'd be right.

00:28:32.580 But what's so revealing is that it wasn't just liberal mainstream CBS news.

00:28:40.300 It was what's often incorrectly described as the far right, the far right.

00:28:47.760 Far right, meaning, I don't know, anyone who's against mass migration who raises his voice or something.

00:28:54.680 But that would include Mark Levin, someone who spent a lot of his life denouncing the lamestream media.

00:29:04.560 And yet, if you listen to Mark Levin's critique of the Massey race, it's identical to the CBS News critique of the race, which is Massey has no valid points.

00:29:16.900 It's impossible to imagine Massey could be opposing aid to Israel, except out of personal

00:29:24.700 hatred, animus out of anti-Semitism.

00:29:27.400 It's impossible to imagine any Americans who could support something so crazy as not sending

00:29:33.080 billions to Israel. 0.76

00:29:33.940 So the only people supporting Massey must be radical jihadis.

00:29:38.560 Here's Mark Levin.

00:29:40.020 I'm looking at the support from Massey.

00:29:41.780 it's the most radical jihadis in our country it is democrats it is talib

00:29:51.800 i mean think of it's rand paul the reprobates

00:29:56.180 the miscreants and i underscore the malcontents are moving behind massey

00:30:05.040 and they're raising tons of money.

00:30:09.900 And Massey is supported by all the elements

00:30:11.800 that support Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Iran.

00:30:20.060 Why is that?

00:30:22.300 He's supported by all the American haters and Jew haters

00:30:26.700 and many of the Christian haters in this country.

00:30:29.020 Why is that? 0.98

00:30:30.620 They're Jew haters. 0.80

00:30:32.440 They support Islamic jihad, whatever that is. 0.99

00:30:37.580 It's actually not so ludicrous that it's funny.

00:30:40.380 It's precisely what the CBS News guy just said to him. 0.99

00:30:43.680 Well, clearly you're a Jew hater. 0.99

00:30:45.040 You're an anti-Semite. 0.97

00:30:47.280 And Massey is the perfect foil for this because he sincerely isn't.

00:30:50.220 He doesn't even fully understand what the guy's talking about.

00:30:52.140 No, I just don't think we should send money to a foreign country.

00:30:55.780 They're mad at Massey.

00:30:57.100 Why?

00:30:57.400 one Republican out of 217

00:31:02.260 who hasn't taken money from the Israeli lobby.

00:31:04.680 Why are they so mad at him?

00:31:05.400 Why was it so important for the Israeli lobby

00:31:08.000 to spend tens of millions of dollars

00:31:11.020 to crush this guy?

00:31:13.380 He wasn't stopping really the status quo in any way.

00:31:17.520 He did help get some of the Epstein files.

00:31:19.200 Some of the Epstein files released

00:31:20.320 and God bless him for that.

00:31:21.500 He tried his hardest.

00:31:22.800 But one man against 216 other members of his party

00:31:26.720 he's not going to get very far by definition. So why don't you just leave him alone? Why force

00:31:29.840 the issue? Why are they so mad at this guy? Why is Trump so mad at him? Why is Miriam Adelson so mad?

00:31:36.260 And of course, the answer is because Thomas Massey was willing to say out loud that there

00:31:39.460 is an Israel lobby. There is a foreign country whose supporters in the United States in positions

00:31:46.820 of prominence are making campaign contributions purely on the basis of what's good for a foreign

00:31:53.980 country. Their loyalty is not to the United States. It's to a foreign country. Well, that's

00:32:00.000 just true. It's just a fact. But you can't say that. Why can't you say it? Well, because it's

00:32:05.140 true. That's why. If it was a lie, if you were claiming the earth was flat, they'd ignore you.

00:32:11.440 But precisely because it is true, it's the truest thing. In fact, it's the definitive

00:32:16.520 fact in American politics. You're not allowed to say it. And he did. Now, why do we say that's true?

00:32:23.320 Isn't that an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory?

00:32:27.180 Well, I don't know.

00:32:29.780 Let's go to the Israeli press, 1.00

00:32:31.360 which for all its many faults

00:32:32.800 is a little bit more honest.

00:32:34.080 It's a little bit less constipated

00:32:35.680 in its use of language.

00:32:37.600 They can kind of say things out loud

00:32:39.080 because who's watching?

00:32:40.760 Haaretz, the traditionally liberal paper in Israel,

00:32:43.320 publishes an English language edition.

00:32:45.420 And here was its headline yesterday.

00:32:47.860 Look at this.

00:32:48.820 There it is.

00:32:49.400 The most consequential Republican primary

00:32:51.560 for Israel is happening in Kentucky.

00:32:56.380 Now, why would the Republican primary

00:32:59.780 in the fourth district of the Commonwealth of Kentucky,

00:33:03.680 a place doubtless most Israelis had never visited

00:33:06.120 or can locate,

00:33:07.960 why would that be so important for Israel?

00:33:11.840 Well, because lots of things they tell you are not true

00:33:16.120 are entirely true. 0.98

00:33:17.720 First among them is Israel could not exist 0.75

00:33:19.300 without the United States in its present form. 0.89

00:33:21.560 its ambitions would be at best vastly curtailed 0.99

00:33:25.200 because everything outside its borders that Israel does 0.80

00:33:29.640 is done with American tax dollars

00:33:31.140 and with the backstop of the lives of American servicemen. 0.58

00:33:35.180 So without that, the Greater Israel Project is done. 0.73

00:33:39.440 Israel can exist in its 48 borders maybe. 0.93

00:33:42.260 It probably can't hold onto its 67 borders, 0.97

00:33:44.480 which is to say, Gaza, West Bank, it's going to be a slog 0.94

00:33:47.640 because the United States makes that possible. 0.99

00:33:51.560 Israel's expansion is paid for

00:33:53.760 and guaranteed by the United States taxpayer. 0.84

00:33:56.900 And anyone who says that out loud,

00:33:58.780 that is absolutely true.

00:34:00.280 There's nothing more true in global politics than that.

00:34:03.040 But anyone who says it reveals the game

00:34:05.440 and must be destroyed. 0.92

00:34:07.840 And that's why even in Israel, 0.51

00:34:10.660 they know that beating Thomas Massey

00:34:13.880 is priority number one.

00:34:16.360 But on its face,

00:34:18.100 that sounds like an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

00:34:21.560 a Republican primary in a minor Republican state,

00:34:26.660 not even a state, a commonwealth, whatever that is,

00:34:29.260 is being orchestrated from Israel

00:34:32.180 with Israel's interests in mind, not America's interests? 0.62

00:34:35.580 What are you, a Nazi?

00:34:38.220 Not in Israel, you're not, if you say that, 0.99

00:34:40.020 because it's true. 1.00

00:34:41.740 And they said it.

00:34:43.920 So Massey says, well, it's AIPAC,

00:34:45.860 the Republican Jewish coalition.

00:34:47.320 They're the ones opposing me.

00:34:48.940 It's not a groundswell of support from within the district for my opponent, Ed, whatever

00:34:54.520 his name is, Galran or Galra.

00:34:56.260 No one even knows how to pronounce his name.

00:34:57.640 He's not a, I mean, is he a real person?

00:34:59.380 I don't know.

00:35:00.900 His only real meaningful campaign pledge is to bring back the draft.

00:35:04.580 The draft?

00:35:06.660 How many people are in support of a draft?

00:35:08.660 How many people of draft age are in support of a draft?

00:35:11.980 None.

00:35:13.980 Why would you want a draft?

00:35:15.440 Do the Joint Chiefs want a draft?

00:35:16.920 Would it make the military better if we had a draft?

00:35:18.940 Why would we have a draft?

00:35:21.500 When entire wars are fought with drones,

00:35:24.380 do we need a draft?

00:35:26.400 Ed Galrin or Galrine or whatever

00:35:28.180 this composite figure is calling himself

00:35:30.220 wants a draft.

00:35:32.300 Can you think of a more totalitarian

00:35:35.000 and less popular position

00:35:37.240 for any person running for office

00:35:39.820 to take than I want a draft? 0.85

00:35:41.820 Vote for me and I will take your child 1.00

00:35:43.680 and send him to go die for Israel. 1.00

00:35:45.420 Is that actually a campaign pledge? 0.90

00:35:46.740 He made that pledge.

00:35:48.940 So Massey's point is, this guy who refused to have a single debate with the incumbent, not one, who has no obvious support in the district, this guy only has a chance because AIPAC, from whom I've never taken a dollar, the only Republican who's never taken money from AIPAC, AIPAC is on his side.

00:36:10.880 That's Thomas Massey's position, to which CBS News and Mark Levin and all the other 0.86

00:36:16.840 dumb people in MAGA world, that's anti-Semitic. 0.91

00:36:21.680 Really now, let's see what AIPAC has to say about it. 0.99

00:36:26.180 Minutes after Massey was declared the loser, AIPAC, AIPAC, the dreaded AIPAC, whose name

00:36:32.240 we're not allowed to say, AIPAC sent out this tweet in public on Twitter.

00:36:36.640 Here's what they said.

00:36:37.220 we're quoting pro-israel americans are proud to help defeat anti-israeli candidates being pro-israel

00:36:48.020 is good policy and good politics and good politics exclamation point in other words the second massey

00:36:56.440 loses apac announces we did it we did it we bumped this guy off he criticized us we're literally an

00:37:03.720 unregistered foreign lobby who exists not to help the United States or its citizens,

00:37:07.940 but a foreign country that couldn't exist without our aid anyway, whose aims are so

00:37:12.620 far from ours that they are hurting us gravely, whose population may love Trump, but in a lot of

00:37:20.280 ways hate Christian Americans. That's why they're spitting on nuns. That country doesn't like this 1.00

00:37:27.020 member of Congress. Therefore, we're going to take him out. And by the way, we did.

00:37:29.560 Oh. So in other words, AIPAC is saying out loud something that if you said out loud might get you fired from your job or investigated by the Trump DOJ, which, by the way, has just announced a multi-city anti-antisemitism tour led by Leo Terrell, the chief of anti-Semitism enforcement or something, a Fox News contributor with, I think, 11 IRS liens against him over more than 10 years.

00:37:59.400 There's a guy who's sort of wondering,

00:38:01.080 like, how'd you get into federal service

00:38:02.180 if you have a problem paying federal taxes?

00:38:04.040 We'll leave that between him and the IRS.

00:38:05.620 Maybe he'll get his own exemption from IRS audits.

00:38:07.660 We'll see.

00:38:09.340 But that guy is leading a tour of the United States

00:38:12.960 to try and do something with the imprimatur

00:38:15.640 of the Department of Justice,

00:38:16.940 which is to say people with guns

00:38:18.320 about the most pressing problem in this nation,

00:38:21.360 which is criticism of Israel.

00:38:22.860 Because yes, criticism of Israel

00:38:24.740 is now officially defined as anti-Semitism.

00:38:27.620 So when they tell you

00:38:28.680 you're committing anti-Semitism,

00:38:30.180 what they're saying is

00:38:31.640 you're critical of a foreign nation.

00:38:33.440 And that's now a crime.

00:38:35.520 And rather than explain to you

00:38:37.200 why it's so important

00:38:38.120 and so good for you

00:38:39.320 and the grandchildren you hope to have

00:38:41.760 to support Israel,

00:38:43.200 like, you should get on board.

00:38:44.120 That's a great deal.

00:38:44.940 Israel's awesome.

00:38:46.160 Here's how they help us. 1.00

00:38:47.580 Here's why you should be all in an Israel. 0.95

00:38:50.140 Here's why the thousands of children 1.00

00:38:52.640 they've murdered in Gaza 1.00

00:38:53.640 deserve to be killed 1.00

00:38:54.880 because they were future terrorists. 1.00

00:38:56.540 Make your case. If you have a case, make it. Tell us what you think. Instead of doing that,

00:39:01.880 the Trump administration is taking the position that noticing is hate. Just noticing it. That's

00:39:09.660 hate. It's anti-Semitism. It's a crime. That's the official message from the Department of

00:39:15.800 Justice, which is using your tax dollars to intimidate you into shutting up about something

00:39:21.040 that AIPAC is bragging about publicly.

00:39:27.880 It's hard to know what this is.

00:39:30.420 I mean, clearly it's not a sincere effort

00:39:32.140 to reduce antisemitism.

00:39:35.120 If you're going to gin up antisemitism,

00:39:37.140 if you're going to make people feel bitter,

00:39:39.040 if you wanted people to blame their problems

00:39:40.740 on Jews, whoever they are, 1.00

00:39:42.900 this is exactly what you would do. 1.00

00:39:45.440 Of course.

00:39:46.360 So it's not an effort to reduce antisemitism

00:39:49.140 And you wouldn't have Leo Terrell, the Fox News contributor, with 11 IRS liens against him.

00:39:58.640 That's your public servant, really?

00:40:00.600 You wouldn't have that guy leading a multi-city tour to screech at you about how you're a bad person for not liking Israel.

00:40:07.860 And by the way, possibly a criminal for not liking Israel.

00:40:10.360 You wouldn't attack the only truly sacred right this country protects, which is the freedom of speech,

00:40:17.140 on behalf of a foreign country

00:40:18.520 if you were trying to eliminate anti-Semitism.

00:40:21.060 Of course not.

00:40:22.860 This is something else.

00:40:24.880 This is a humiliation exercise.

00:40:26.620 This is designed to let you know 0.93

00:40:28.320 that there is now a caste system in place

00:40:31.240 under which skepticism of one group

00:40:35.040 is a lot more serious than skepticism of another group.

00:40:38.780 Another word for this that was very common on Fox News

00:40:40.880 and in fact it emerged many times from Donald Trump's mouth

00:40:42.800 was identity politics.

00:40:44.420 That's identity politics.

00:40:46.420 We should instead have politics based on citizenship.

00:40:49.680 If you're a citizen, you are equal to me under the law.

00:40:52.660 There are no distinctions beyond that.

00:40:55.060 God may make distinctions beyond that, but we're not God.

00:40:58.180 We're a government.

00:40:59.360 And in our government, the people own the country.

00:41:02.260 They are shareholders in this enterprise, and you treat them all the same until proven

00:41:07.380 otherwise.

00:41:07.880 That's our justice system.

00:41:09.780 You can criticize anyone you want equally.

00:41:12.680 every American citizen

00:41:14.440 is allowed to use

00:41:15.200 the same words

00:41:16.040 regardless of what

00:41:17.320 his parents look like

00:41:18.200 because we don't have

00:41:19.180 castes

00:41:19.720 because we're not India 1.00

00:41:20.380 we reject

00:41:25.220 identity politics

00:41:26.440 that was the promise

00:41:27.180 that's why BLM

00:41:28.000 was wrong

00:41:28.500 all of a sudden

00:41:29.380 you had to worship 1.00

00:41:29.980 black people like gods 1.00

00:41:31.020 rather than just 0.82

00:41:31.440 treating them like

00:41:31.920 friends or neighbors

00:41:32.660 or citizens

00:41:33.160 or just people

00:41:33.780 because that's what they are

00:41:34.780 that's what every person

00:41:36.400 is just a person

00:41:37.100 good on a good day

00:41:39.140 bad on a bad day

00:41:40.200 smarter

00:41:41.540 taller

00:41:42.020 richer

00:41:42.420 or poorer, shorter, fatter, you know, different in some ways,

00:41:46.320 but fundamentally all the same and equal under the law.

00:41:50.160 Because this country is governed the same way heaven is governed

00:41:55.080 by universal principles.

00:41:57.060 If something is wrong, it is wrong for everyone.

00:41:59.620 If something is okay, it's okay for everyone.

00:42:02.460 We don't make those distinctions.

00:42:05.040 Because when we do, it's called corruption.

00:42:08.080 That's what corruption is.

00:42:09.620 Different rules for me than for you.

00:42:12.420 But all of a sudden, you have, led by this administration, the one that Charlie Kirk

00:42:17.460 and I were so hopeful about in church that morning in January of last year, you have

00:42:23.480 the most aggressive and the most threatening outbreak of identity politics, maybe in this

00:42:28.460 country's history.

00:42:30.200 You have the Justice Department endorsing the idea that criticism of a foreign nation

00:42:34.460 is potentially a crime.

00:42:35.680 And you have certain states banning it, like Florida, under Ron DeSantis.

00:42:40.320 No, that's a hate crime.

00:42:41.120 You can't criticize that country or our relationship with it.

00:42:43.620 At the very same time, the people encouraging you to go along with this and threatening you

00:42:47.620 if you don't are bragging that everything you're not allowed to say is in fact true.

00:42:54.240 That's all this is.

00:42:55.600 It's a way to make it really clear.

00:42:57.780 Jeffrey Epstein gets to win Powerball somehow.

00:43:01.840 His murderers walk free.

00:43:03.620 We're not even going to investigate it.

00:43:06.000 But you watch yourself.

00:43:07.460 Watch yourself now.

00:43:08.200 that's exactly what's going on but maybe the most obvious example of what's going on

00:43:15.900 happened last night and it wasn't just the fact that ed galreen or whatever the guy's name is who

00:43:20.760 even knows who cares as he won somebody and this was cruel brought a video camera to his quote

00:43:29.560 victory party now remember this is a guy who just beat a seven term incumbent and check the numbers

00:43:36.880 on this. It's not that easy to beat an incumbent, a seven-term incumbent who is wildly popular,

00:43:42.300 even by the standards of Republican states. Thomas Massey wasn't just popular. He was

00:43:46.440 wildly popular in his district. And the election results over the past seven terms proved that.

00:43:51.460 Look him up. So this guy, Ed, whatever his name is, just wins. And his one campaign promises to

00:43:58.520 draft your son and send him to Iran, but he wins anyway. How did he win? Well, obviously,

00:44:03.440 people were just so thrilled by the idea of a draft

00:44:05.340 that they just lifted Ed

00:44:07.460 Galroon onto their

00:44:09.500 shoulders and carried him across

00:44:11.400 the finish line and then they all streamed

00:44:13.540 into the victory hall for beers

00:44:15.640 and high fives and maybe some brats

00:44:17.380 you imagine that

00:44:19.460 must have happened people woke up

00:44:21.480 one morning and realized their congressman

00:44:23.540 who we thought was honest and principled and decent

00:44:25.660 a family man whose four children love him

00:44:27.460 who built his own home

00:44:28.360 the embodiment of the America

00:44:31.040 you thought you lived in

00:44:33.440 This independent has self-respect

00:44:35.120 and reverence for God in nature.

00:44:37.280 That's what you thought of him?

00:44:38.780 And you realize, no, no, no, he's like a liberal

00:44:41.000 who's actually being supported by the jihadis, 1.00

00:44:43.320 who's like some kind of sex criminal. 0.99

00:44:45.600 Because that's what they told you. 0.97

00:44:47.060 We need Ed Galroon, the draft guy.

00:44:50.840 And we're thrilled he got it.

00:44:52.220 Well, let's take a look.

00:44:53.080 Let's take a peek at what Election HQ last night

00:44:56.800 at Ed's victory party actually looked like.

00:45:03.440 I've covered a lot of victory parties in my life, a lot, more than 10, and some lost parties too.

00:45:29.800 that's the weirdest thing I've ever seen

00:45:33.140 there's no one there

00:45:34.140 what percentage of the people in that room

00:45:36.240 know Ed Galroon

00:45:38.480 are related to him

00:45:40.720 are his neighbors were paid to be there

00:45:42.980 we don't know the answer

00:45:44.580 there's nobody there

00:45:46.280 so how'd this guy win

00:45:48.960 well he won on mail-in ballots

00:45:50.420 and we'll sort of leave it to

00:45:53.080 online sleuths to

00:45:54.640 determine whether that's legitimate or not

00:45:57.220 who knows

00:45:58.020 because if you're willing to pour tens of millions of dollars

00:46:01.380 into a Republican primary in the 4th District of Kentucky,

00:46:03.860 you're probably willing to do whatever it takes.

00:46:06.280 And maybe they did.

00:46:06.840 We don't know that.

00:46:07.780 Not alleging it.

00:46:09.780 But we do know that's not what democracy looks like.

00:46:13.600 Democracy is the process by which people express their will,

00:46:17.760 by which they say,

00:46:18.980 this is how we want our country to be run

00:46:20.720 because it's our country.

00:46:21.720 It doesn't belong to Miriam Adelson

00:46:23.140 or Paul Singer or Israel

00:46:26.060 or big pharma for that matter

00:46:28.320 or any other small group of rich people.

00:46:32.200 It's not the play thing of billionaires.

00:46:34.780 It doesn't belong to the oligarchs.

00:46:35.860 It belongs to us.

00:46:37.340 And here's what we want.

00:46:39.260 And you can't ignore us

00:46:40.560 because we're the owners here.

00:46:42.280 And this is shareholders meeting

00:46:43.600 and we're voting.

00:46:46.160 And when people win in a race like this,

00:46:48.540 there's evidence of it.

00:46:49.980 And that evidence takes very familiar forms.

00:46:53.600 Enthusiasm, joy,

00:46:55.240 and just sheer numbers.

00:46:56.540 Like people show up.

00:46:57.260 They can't believe it.

00:46:58.220 We beat the evil Thomas Massey 1.00

00:46:59.760 with his jihadi backers. 1.00

00:47:01.420 This is a blow against Islamic jihad, 0.59

00:47:05.440 whatever that is. 0.98

00:47:08.020 Islamic jihad, 0.95

00:47:09.520 which along with Hamas 1.00

00:47:10.800 is one of the big problems 0.97

00:47:11.900 in the fourth district of Kentucky.

00:47:14.240 They've been very, very concerned

00:47:15.720 about Islamic jihad and Hamas

00:47:17.160 and Hezbollah

00:47:18.120 for a long time in Covington.

00:47:21.080 But anyway,

00:47:21.700 there was no such display.

00:47:23.060 And so it makes you wonder

00:47:24.460 this election itself.

00:47:26.600 Was it another part

00:47:29.220 of the humiliation ritual?

00:47:30.580 Was it a way of saying

00:47:31.820 to the rest of us,

00:47:32.740 people sort of believed

00:47:33.560 in democracy,

00:47:34.200 it's all fake?

00:47:35.800 We can get a guy

00:47:36.720 whose last name

00:47:37.440 we can't pronounce elected

00:47:38.400 on a platform

00:47:39.040 everybody in America hates

00:47:40.420 because we can.

00:47:41.920 Because we're billionaires

00:47:42.740 and you're not.

00:47:44.280 And of course,

00:47:44.740 our priorities are not aligned

00:47:45.640 with yours.

00:47:46.020 In fact, we hate your priorities 1.00

00:47:46.940 and we hate you. 0.96

00:47:48.260 We're going to do this anyway. 0.86

00:47:49.820 Even in Kentucky,

00:47:50.480 we can do it.

00:47:52.140 It's possible

00:47:52.880 that's the message

00:47:53.500 they were sending.

00:47:54.460 Pretty certain, actually.

00:47:56.940 So on one level, this is the saddest moment in a long time.

00:48:00.300 It's not just the death of Thomas Massey's immediate political career, which may be resurrected.

00:48:05.540 One never knows.

00:48:07.000 It's obviously the death of MAGA, whatever that was.

00:48:10.380 But it's also, of course, the end of the Republican Party, as we thought we knew it.

00:48:15.620 The Republican Party of right now bears absolutely no resemblance to the Republican Party we thought we had just elected less than a year and a half ago.

00:48:24.100 None at all. Its parties are completely different. Its slogans are completely different. It is not

00:48:30.960 the same thing. And maybe there's a working majority somewhere of people who support the

00:48:37.800 new priorities of the Republican Party. But the question would be, where is that?

00:48:41.700 Haaretz readers clearly do. They think that was the most important race in America.

00:48:45.500 Amazing that they were following it. But in this country, nobody supports this. Nobody does.

00:48:54.680 And so that's not all bad.

00:48:58.720 And it's not bad because the one thing we know

00:49:02.020 is that nothing will be the same after this.

00:49:05.080 This is too much.

00:49:06.260 They went too far.

00:49:08.060 This is a victory,

00:49:09.080 but it's likely a pure victory actually.

00:49:11.780 Because we now know,

00:49:14.000 because it's been confirmed,

00:49:15.160 how the system actually works.

00:49:16.640 And no, it's not a democratic system.

00:49:17.780 It bears no resemblance to a democratic system at all.

00:49:21.080 A small number of people

00:49:22.660 who are more concerned about a foreign country

00:49:24.680 than our country decide who gets elected.

00:49:27.800 No, that's not a hateful conspiracy theory.

00:49:30.820 That's a demonstrable fact that they admit.

00:49:34.800 So it's on the basis of that that we can proceed.

00:49:37.160 And by that, I mean the truth.

00:49:38.540 That's the truth.

00:49:39.840 What people whispered about,

00:49:41.140 those crazies on the internet

00:49:42.260 has now been proven for everyone to see.

00:49:44.480 Nothing will ever be the same again.

00:49:47.600 And you got to think it's going to be a little better

00:49:49.540 because there will be actual reform.

00:49:52.080 We have gone too far.

00:49:54.660 And so whatever comes next,

00:49:56.320 whether it's in the Republican Party or outside it,

00:49:59.060 is likely to be much more honest and direct

00:50:01.820 and less ashamed.

00:50:03.860 Much more willing to tell the truth

00:50:06.060 as uncomfortable as it may make some people.

00:50:08.440 Because the truth is always worth telling.

00:50:10.060 Always.

00:50:11.220 And a politics based on anything

00:50:12.460 but the truth is always poisonous.

00:50:15.700 So yes, this is a low point.

00:50:17.300 Is it the end point?

00:50:18.080 Not at all.

00:50:19.580 It's the beginning.

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00:51:21.880 Rich Barris has been following this for a long time,

00:51:25.560 not as a candidate, but as a pollster,

00:51:28.900 as someone who is constantly measuring

00:51:31.240 what people want and think.

00:51:33.500 He's on the Republican side.

00:51:35.200 We think he's really insightful.

00:51:36.660 There are not many pollsters we trust

00:51:37.720 or ever want to talk to,

00:51:38.820 but he's at the top of the list

00:51:39.920 and he joins us now.

00:51:40.880 Rich, are you there?

00:51:42.240 I'm here.

00:51:43.040 Thanks for having me, Tucker.

00:51:44.040 Thanks so much for doing this.

00:51:45.680 So that's my assessment of what we just saw.

00:51:50.460 I think it's obvious that Massey would not have lost without the Republican Jewish coalition 0.52

00:51:55.720 and a few neocon billionaires weighing in on behalf of a foreign country. 0.58

00:52:00.180 Do you think that's a fair read?

00:52:03.480 Oh, 100 percent.

00:52:04.600 I mean, just so the folks at home understand, we've never seen anything like you may have

00:52:08.060 heard that this was the most expensive primary in history.

00:52:10.840 But to give people at home an idea, primaries on the Republican side, in a district like this, you may spend $500,000.

00:52:19.860 Maybe it goes to $2 million, Tucker.

00:52:21.720 We have never seen anything like this.

00:52:23.780 This isn't even an expensive media market, Kentucky 4.

00:52:26.860 You have Louisville, but this is not like a New York or California or even some of the Florida media markets.

00:52:32.440 This was an insane amount of money.

00:52:34.960 And what does that buy you?

00:52:36.700 Look, in the clip you just played, there was a guy that I noticed when I saw that clip,

00:52:41.740 and he's waving around a white sign with a Sharpie marker written, lower prices.

00:52:46.060 He probably has no idea that one of the few appearances that his candidate made,

00:52:51.080 he was asked about gas prices in the Iran war, and he flatly said the Iran war was worth spiking gas prices.

00:52:57.760 So look, that's what $35 million buys you.

00:53:01.360 They drove up turnout.

00:53:02.920 Guys, this wasn't about AIPAC.

00:53:04.340 it wasn't a referendum on AIPAC. Just to give people an idea what I mean by that,

00:53:08.800 AIPAC will never run ads. They didn't do it in the Chicago suburbs where they targeted a Democrat.

00:53:15.280 It was anti-war and anti-foreign aid. You will never hear the ad. And then at the end of the

00:53:19.620 ad, it says, this message was paid for by the American right, AIPAC. They're very good at

00:53:24.200 running these through other party groups and making the election about something else.

00:53:28.280 And they made this election about loyalty to Trump. Is he loyal enough to Trump? Is he loyal

00:53:32.800 enough to the party. And some of the questions around some of the immigration votes. And what

00:53:37.580 do you do in a Republican primary with that? You drive up turnout with boomers. And that is the 0.56

00:53:42.580 lesson here, Tucker. Thomas Massey was clobbering Ed Galrin with millennials three to one, three to

00:53:48.660 one, not two to one, not one and a half to one. Younger people need to vote and Republicans need

00:53:54.800 to get it through their heads right now. You use the word I've been using. This was a Pyrrhic

00:53:58.780 victory. Congratulations. You spent thirty five million dollars you needed in November to get

00:54:04.060 rid of the last conservative in the U.S. House of Representatives to replace him with a neocon

00:54:09.580 that the American people rejected 20 years ago and didn't elect Republicans again until Donald

00:54:15.760 Trump's brand of America first came around. This is a pyrrhic victory that they'll suffer for later.

00:54:21.940 They've got to know that they do. OK, do OK, so do they? I mean, this is the end of

00:54:27.760 the Republican Party, not just that I support it, I would never ever, it's immoral to support

00:54:33.020 this in my opinion, but anti-free speech, pro-killing, I mean, it's grotesque in every

00:54:38.900 way. But it's also the end of the Republican Party that we had in the beginning of something

00:54:44.980 new and deeply unpopular. They got to know that. They do. And I'm just going to tell a story. I

00:54:50.720 won't blow them up. But being a pollster, unfortunately, I get bombarded by donors and

00:54:57.440 people who want to pick my brain because they think they're privileged and they're entitled

00:55:00.600 to that phone call. But last night and having several conversations, three of them flatly told

00:55:06.540 me when I was making the argument that, OK, good job. You did it. Thirty five million dollars to

00:55:11.780 win by nine points. Now compare that to when Donald Trump targeted Liz Cheney, folks, who was

00:55:17.000 really a rhino, who was really a neocon, who really supported never ending war. Liz Arrington barely 1.00

00:55:22.020 needed that amount of money and she thrashed Liz Cheney by more than 30 points. It was the biggest 1.00

00:55:26.620 election defeat for any sitting incumbent in history and it didn't require 35 million votes

00:55:31.880 so you beat him you sent him home he's going to take five percent of his vote with him libertarians

00:55:37.380 are going to be mad they're going to do what they did to republicans in 18 which is run candidates

00:55:41.760 independents and libertarians pulling one and a half here two and two and a half there costing

00:55:47.280 republican seats because there will be races that close that third party vote share actually cost

00:55:52.380 them that race. And for what? And the answer basically was, we don't care about November.

00:55:57.940 Stop worrying about November. That's something we can worry about later. The pendulum swings

00:56:02.420 down the road. This is what I got out of it. And you said it and you addressed it in your monologue.

00:56:08.580 They really do feel that Thomas Massey or anyone who opposes foreign aid, who doesn't support

00:56:16.400 unfettered, give their unfettered support to Israel and their ventures in the Middle East,

00:56:21.140 they cannot separate that from anti-Semitism. They think that they're anti-Semites in secret

00:56:27.440 and they're couching that anti-Semitism in some phony philosophy that they can't vote for foreign

00:56:35.360 spending. And over the course of 45 minutes, it dawned on me, they believe this. They really do

00:56:41.400 believe it. At first, for a long time, I thought it was just junk. And it was just typical, almost 0.99

00:56:46.840 left wing kind of use of how you expand the definition to impose a label on somebody like

00:56:52.120 the left does with racism and xenophobia, which causes a backlash. Because when you do that,

00:56:59.000 you actually wind up creating more of what you're trying to put down, right? If you're constantly

00:57:03.560 calling somebody anti-Semitic for having a difference in opinion over foreign policy,

00:57:07.600 you're almost assuredly going to create more anti-Semitism, which by the way, Mark Levin

00:57:12.400 called me an anti-Semite for pointing out and it gets sustained. But they, and I thought that, 0.59

00:57:18.520 you know, maybe they were just being careless and reckless by doing this. And it really did

00:57:23.540 dawn on me last night that they believe it. They believe it. Is there any, I mean, if you think

00:57:27.940 about what they're defending, so they're defending two things. One, the proposition that it's okay

00:57:32.680 to be more loyal to a foreign country than your own country. And two, the behavior of that foreign 0.53

00:57:39.400 country, which is not only out of bounds and unacceptable, but I mean, what Israel has done

00:57:46.060 in the last two and a half years to people within areas it controls, murdering women and children

00:57:51.280 by the tens of thousands. I mean, that will never be forgotten in history. Is there any sense that

00:57:57.400 you get that they're like ashamed of any of this? Is there any sense of they're doing something

00:58:01.640 wrong or is it entirely like displacement? Like anyone who criticizes or notices it,

00:58:06.060 they're the real criminals. Yeah, that's a good question. I think the answer is no. And the reason

00:58:11.960 is, you know, over the last year, you know, I'm a public pollster and my job is to conduct the

00:58:16.400 research and not convey my own opinion, but try to get people to understand what voters are thinking

00:58:21.160 and why they are thinking the way they are. And over the last year, just polling has been met

00:58:27.000 with incredible blowback. And recently I reviewed this internal report. It's an Israeli government

00:58:32.200 report and basically admits they have a massive problem in the West, particularly among younger

00:58:37.180 people in America. Israel's image has suffered badly. How are they going to confront this and

00:58:42.020 how are they going to overcome this and still keep their special relationship with the United States

00:58:47.080 and alliances or at least friendly relations with other Western countries? Going through all of

00:58:52.960 these bullets, they couldn't decouple what we were talking about either. Even in the, this is a

00:58:57.480 government report. They couldn't decouple it. But also not one single prescription had anything to

00:59:05.640 do with curbing Israel's behavior. And that concerned me because, I mean, yeah, it all came 0.95

00:59:11.000 down to censorship, Tucker, right? Censorship, some form of coercion. We're going to do this.

00:59:15.600 We're going to lean on these people. We're going to use our friendships and relationships here

00:59:18.840 to address that group of people. None of it was dealing with curbing their own behavior. And that

00:59:24.200 is from a, you know, for just public polls and point of view, that's their problem. One of the

00:59:29.480 things that jumped out at me last year was it was different. It was something we've never measured

00:59:34.120 before. Young Americans, and when I say young, I mean under 45, even those who identified as

00:59:40.320 America first, viewed what was happening in Gaza as a genocide. And we have never seen that before,

00:59:46.200 right? I mean, typically the line that we all hear, like the Fox News lines, the human shields,

00:59:51.500 the normal stuff. That worked for a very long time on people. I think younger people are less,

00:59:58.800 they're a less myth-believing society. I don't think they are than boomers, for instance. 0.81

01:00:03.880 And they're going to have to confront that reality. They just can't steamroll it because 0.96

01:00:08.120 the more they try to steamroll over these people and their belief that they're entitled to their

01:00:12.460 opinion, the more backlash they're going to get. And they acknowledge they had this issue with the

01:00:17.300 left, but here's what I think that they're missing from what is coming from the right now.

01:00:21.500 I think people don't fully appreciate, especially millennial men who supported Donald Trump, Generation Z men who supported Donald Trump, they don't appreciate that these voters, many of them never voted, they have no vote history or very little vote history, came out for Donald Trump in 24 because they believe that he and J.D. Vance were really their last chance.

01:00:41.320 their last chance at getting to right the ship in the country and to have a future that people

01:00:46.100 who lived before them had, right? Their inheritance was being squandered. The economy is just garbage.

01:00:51.580 It costs much to live. There's no point to go to school. Nobody is appreciating that they have 1.00

01:00:57.420 this point of view. And now they look for better, for worse, fair or not. They look at Israel

01:01:03.380 with a little bit of contempt now because they feel like they derailed their presidency.

01:01:09.500 They kind of hijacked it and they're going to whether you agree with that or not, it's kind of irrelevant, irrelevant.

01:01:15.160 That's how they feel. And if you don't address it, it's just going to blow up in your face because 10 years from now, you know, the first boomers turned 80 this year, Tucker, 10 years from now, if Republicans can't put together a coalition like the one that supports Thomas Massey, you're not going to win a general election.

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01:02:49.020 So, I mean, that's so, what you're saying,

01:02:52.600 and I'm not denigrating it in any way.

01:02:54.720 I think it's really smart,

01:02:55.860 but it's also basically the conclusion

01:02:58.060 that anyone who's paying any attention

01:02:59.480 or all would come to.

01:03:00.320 You don't have to be a pollster

01:03:01.580 or fluent in math.

01:03:03.120 I thought so too.

01:03:03.960 I mean, no,

01:03:04.720 I think it's kind of self-evident

01:03:05.980 what you just said,

01:03:07.200 and I'm grateful that you said it.

01:03:08.660 So anyone who is pushing the party

01:03:12.620 into a series of positions

01:03:14.360 that the public hates

01:03:15.680 is by definition

01:03:17.320 trying to destroy the party, no?

01:03:19.740 Yeah, this is the,

01:03:21.000 this is the a b choice i was trying to convey to people uh before the iran war for instance which is

01:03:28.020 you have to decide and if you're from the right if you're of the right you'll understand this

01:03:33.840 better obviously if you thought going into 2024 democrats were the existential threat to the

01:03:40.140 country lawfare they were locking up a former president he literally had to win in order to

01:03:45.880 ensure he wouldn't spend potentially the rest of his life in jail. I mean, we crossed the Rubicon,

01:03:51.200 Tucker, before 24. And if you truly believe that, then you would, nothing, nothing would come before

01:03:58.800 that. The Iran war could crack the coalition up, could break up the Republican party, and it just

01:04:04.880 isn't worth it, right? Because if you go back to democratic control, we're all in danger. We're

01:04:10.180 literally in danger. So if you believe that line of argument, which I believe was a valid argument,

01:04:15.380 And I think that's a big part of why Donald Trump was elected pretty easily, right, compared to 16.

01:04:22.300 If you believe that, then there's really no way to square how you would put that at risk for the interest of a foreign nation.

01:04:30.820 Really, there's no way to put that together.

01:04:33.380 You're either prioritizing the viability of the coalition health to make sure that you stay in power or you're prioritizing something else.

01:04:41.980 And if you're doing that, then, yeah, I mean, we have to conclude that you're just trying to break up the party.

01:04:46.500 And honestly, in the conversation I was talking about last night, the truth is, and I think a lot of people at home don't know this, the truth is a lot of these people donate to Democrats anyway.

01:04:56.500 Their issue is not whether or not Republicans control the House or the White House.

01:05:00.320 They really don't care, guys.

01:05:01.900 As long as they have a majority, bipartisan majority, that preserves the foreign policy, you know, water spigot, you know, and preserves the special relationship, then they're good.

01:05:13.920 That's their aim.

01:05:15.760 They don't really care about the viability of the Republican Party.

01:05:18.500 Because they don't care about the country, of course. 0.70

01:05:21.160 I mean, by definition, if your top issue is Israel, you should have no authority in the United States because you're by definition disloyal to the United States. 0.96

01:05:30.400 I mean, it just seems like a definitional fact.

01:05:35.300 So let me ask, I've watched politicians work through their campaign messages,

01:05:40.560 and there's a keen attention to polling and to popularity of the message.

01:05:44.740 What should our message be?

01:05:45.820 How many people will agree with this?

01:05:47.540 You've obviously spent your life with this, so you know better than I.

01:05:50.600 How many people would you guess in the United States are for, in order, 0.59

01:05:55.580 covering up the Epstein files, the draft, and unlimited support for what Israel's doing in Gaza?

01:06:06.620 You know, the best way to answer that is to tell you that we have pulled different messages that

01:06:12.780 have come out of, you know, the different, we know some of them have presidential aspirations,

01:06:16.640 and we know what the messages are going to be going into the midterms. And one of them was

01:06:21.680 articulated very well on the Democratic side by Jon Ossoff. And we just, you know, we simply ask

01:06:27.660 people, look, we're going to read you a statement from somebody. We're not going to tell you who it

01:06:31.620 is, but we want you to tell us whether you agree or disagree with this. The Republican, the typical

01:06:36.860 Republican line, one came from Trump, one came from Rubio, got about 53% agreement across the

01:06:43.260 board. The Democratic one was from Jon Ossoff, and it got over 80% agreement, including a little

01:06:49.680 bit more, 42% of Republicans, which directly said, you know, Trump promised to expose the 0.73

01:06:55.500 Epstein class. Instead, he covered for them. It was a speech that, you know, circulated a lot on

01:07:00.580 social media. Nobody. And I think this goes to the generational divide that we're dealing with

01:07:05.760 in this country. And the answer to a lot of people who are upset over what happened last night

01:07:10.020 is that young people have to vote. You're leaving, especially on the Republican side,

01:07:13.720 You're essentially leaving your – the direction that your party is going to go.

01:07:19.160 You're leaving it up to a group of people that is a minority in their own generational cohort.

01:07:25.420 And what I mean by that is that – yeah, Republican boomers are what we call over here the Fox boomer con.

01:07:30.360 We're not trying to insult anybody.

01:07:31.940 It's just that it obviously makes up so clearly who these people are.

01:07:36.760 The Fox boomer con is not even a majority of boomers themselves.

01:07:41.540 and boomers, really, we can split up into two groups. And the older boomer element particularly

01:07:46.840 is the one that votes so heavily in Republican primaries. The Galvin campaign, which was really

01:07:52.120 the Trump people, did a great job getting them out and expanding the electorate with those people. 0.89

01:07:57.220 The problem is younger people, until they have families, they don't really ratchet up their

01:08:03.620 primary vote history. And it is a simple answer to people who are feeling, as I heard from

01:08:09.220 countless people last night. Vote. You should have just voted. You have the power. The boomers

01:08:15.980 are kind of on their way out. I'm trying to be mean here. I'm just saying they've had their 1.00

01:08:20.340 electoral dominance for years now. I mentioned before the first of them turned 80. Republicans

01:08:25.600 better realize millennials will soon be the dominant voting group sooner than people expect.

01:08:30.520 But as of right now, Gen X and millennials alone could have a real impact on the direction of who

01:08:36.000 gets nominated in these parties and unfortunately they just don't vote tucker how do you think well

01:08:41.980 actually before i ask you about what's going to happen in the future the question of the draft

01:08:46.160 am i imagining this or are people suddenly talking about this the neocons seem anxious

01:08:51.640 to have a draft all of a sudden the white house through its spokesman denied

01:08:56.220 that they had ruled it out sorry for the double negative basically the question was are you going

01:09:03.960 to try to institute a draft. And the response was, we're not going to answer that question.

01:09:07.540 We're thinking about it. Am I, am I being paranoid? I mean, Goulburn just ran on a draft.

01:09:13.660 What is the draft? Where's that coming from? Honestly, nothing, there's nothing could make

01:09:20.540 you paranoid these days. Every time you think we've seen the last of it, or we've seen the

01:09:24.940 worst of it, or we're at the end of the absurdity, we, we get something else, you know, every day,

01:09:30.420 it seems, you know, and this is the voters too. This is voter sentiment. Every day they wake up

01:09:35.760 with something new that they just cannot believe that would ever happen under Donald Trump.

01:09:40.900 So, I mean, I just wouldn't put, I would hate to tell you that I spoke to this person or that

01:09:46.420 person and they told me, I don't worry about it. That's just, you know, bloviating or people 1.00

01:09:49.800 speaking off the cuff because I have, but then I've had these experiences in the last year with

01:09:55.440 other issues. And then two months later, it becomes a serious issue. Amnesty is one of them,

01:09:59.700 by the way. You'd never think of something like that happening even before Trump was elected

01:10:04.840 or even in Trump's first term. It just seemed unthinkable. He wouldn't do it.

01:10:09.180 And now here we are, and it's a very serious push. I mean, I think the president's with somebody

01:10:13.580 who's, if not Maria Salazar, Michael Lawler has to be one of the most pro-amnesty Republicans in

01:10:19.520 the House of Representatives used with him today. Well, the neocons love amnesty because the point

01:10:23.960 is not simply to help Israel, but to destroy the United States. And Michael Lawler is all in on

01:10:28.500 destroying the United States. There's no question about that. So what is the public's view of the

01:10:34.420 war in Iran? This thing has always been unpopular. This is one of the more, you know, head scratching

01:10:41.360 isn't even a strong enough term, but this is something that's left me dumbfounded. We have

01:10:47.300 never seen a president try to start a war or start one without selling it to the public first. I mean,

01:10:53.400 Yes, folks. I mean, I know I'm 44. You know how long Herbert Walker Bush, I mean, he lied to do it,

01:10:58.780 but do you know how long he took to sell the first Gulf War to the people in the United States?

01:11:04.260 We heard about babies being thrown out of incubators. Of course, that was a total charade, 0.53

01:11:09.240 but at least they put the charade on even George Bush himself. After 9-11, Tucker,

01:11:14.720 they didn't just go into Iraq. We were in Afghanistan. They had the buildup. They used

01:11:18.320 it as a pretext, and George Bush really made his case. This was, and those, by the way,

01:11:23.400 those conflicts became popular. This thing never became popular. And the president didn't even try

01:11:29.000 to sell it. The closest we got, there's always a rally around the flag effect where the president's

01:11:34.580 voters want to support what he's doing. So even if they don't really support it, they'll temporarily

01:11:39.920 say, yeah, I kind of, I'm with them on this. We couldn't get it any closer to oppose plus nine.

01:11:45.740 The thing started at, you know, 21% support, 70% opposition, and it's almost right back to there

01:11:51.560 now. The next time we poll it, which is soon, it's going to be in two days, I bet it's back

01:11:56.120 to that level or maybe even worse because now we've seen gas prices and some of the other things

01:12:00.880 that the American public really didn't want. And this is gas prices, casualties. We did ask them

01:12:07.040 about this before the war kicked off. Would you be willing to tolerate the pain at the pump? Would

01:12:12.860 you be willing to tolerate zero to 5,000, 5,000 to 10,000 casualties? I mean, the answer was zero

01:12:18.720 casualties and no pain at the pump. It just wasn't a priority. And I think, again, for people who

01:12:23.580 say, well, yeah, they had to stop him getting the, you know, getting the nuclear program back

01:12:28.020 off the ground. I mean, guys, the bottom line is people are tired of this because they're not

01:12:33.300 seeing their own needs at home being met. It's simple, you know, Maslow hierarchy of needs kind

01:12:39.200 of thing. I mean, people can't meet their basic needs, let alone anywhere else up the pyramid.

01:12:44.300 if they can't meet their basic needs, they're not going to care about the needs of other nations.

01:12:48.920 And they may say, and it might be, you know, you could play a game with a poll on how you

01:12:52.800 were to question Tucker, but Americans will never prioritize their own needs over some of the needs

01:12:58.460 of another country. I mean, you know, they'll never put the needs of another country over

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01:13:58.120 It was sold, the president sold it, not, I don't think in a straightforward way, by saying Israel wants us, we have to help Israel.

01:14:06.500 he sold it by saying

01:14:08.600 Iran can't have a nuclear weapon 1.00

01:14:10.340 and that's the most important thing

01:14:11.520 do you remember any polling this winter

01:14:14.440 in January or February that showed

01:14:16.800 excuse me fear of

01:14:18.600 Iran getting a nuclear weapon at the

01:14:20.620 top of voter concerns were people really worried

01:14:22.500 about that no I mean we do

01:14:24.560 rank distribution for most important

01:14:26.400 issues weekly which is different than

01:14:28.460 just simply asking which is your most important

01:14:30.620 voting issue and the reason we do it

01:14:32.460 like that is because we want people to rank them

01:14:34.420 so we can see you know sometimes people have secondary

01:14:36.440 and tertiary issues that they vote on. They're not just voting on one issue all the time.

01:14:40.860 Foreign policy hasn't crept above seventh place. Trump's entire term. We actually established the

01:14:47.620 White House focus tracker, which since CBS News or Iran before, they tried to copy and the Wall

01:14:52.660 Street Journal tried to copy it once or twice too. But we asked people whether or not they think the

01:14:56.860 Trump administration is too focused on foreign policy, not enough on domestic, vice versa.

01:15:02.160 Maybe they're too focused on domestic, not enough on foreign policy. And then whether or not they're

01:15:06.040 striking the right balance. That tracker has been 60 north of 60 percent on the side of too focused

01:15:12.660 on foreign policy, not enough on domestic for the better part of now two and a half months. But it

01:15:18.060 has always been majority feeling that he is too distracted with foreign policy. So what does this

01:15:25.540 mean for the next two big election cycles, the midterms and the general in two years? Yeah. As

01:15:31.800 of right now, Republicans are going to get creamed. I mean, anyone saying otherwise is just

01:15:37.980 gaslighting or glazing you out there. The New York Times poll that came out the other day,

01:15:42.620 that mirrors our polling almost perfectly. A generic ballot is 11 points. Folks, that's historic.

01:15:48.480 That's worse than 2018. Republicans redistricted, which is good. They came out on top in the

01:15:53.740 redistricting world, helped buffer against some of those losses. But when you're talking about

01:15:58.420 leads like 10, 11 points. You're talking about Trump districts that are 10, you know, Trump plus

01:16:04.520 10, Trump plus 11. We're way outside of whether or not you could win or hold battleground districts.

01:16:10.200 You have to make sure that you don't lose any that are within the swing. And that always happens.

01:16:15.220 There are always districts that nobody sees coming. And then so-and-so gets unseated. That

01:16:19.580 always happens. This looks like a bloodbath right now, Tucker. It does. And the sad part about it

01:16:24.380 is it was fixable if you look at our generic ballot trend you'll see it republicans had a lead

01:16:30.200 since i believe it was mid 2021 they had a lead on the generic ballot and didn't lose it until

01:16:37.440 until july of 2025 what happened in july of 2025 epstein and then and then followed by bombing

01:16:44.380 bombing the three nuclear sites in iran i've been calling that like a almost like a two-piece a one

01:16:49.940 two combo, right to the chin of MAGA. That's what put MAGA down. I mean, it really isn't any deeper,

01:16:57.000 more difficult than that. People elected Donald Trump to focus on their domestic needs, to focus

01:17:02.120 on those broken promises and those betrayals that he said in his own inauguration, to remedy that,

01:17:10.460 to fix that, to make it right, to be their retribution, to use his own words. They weren't

01:17:16.020 talking about foreign policy retributions. They were talking about squaring things at home.

01:17:20.800 And the reason the Epstein issue hurt so bad, I think it's a minor correction in his strategy

01:17:27.740 wouldn't even have damaged him that much. I think people would have given him a lot of grace. But

01:17:31.480 people who don't understand why it hurt him don't understand that Epstein was a symbol.

01:17:37.380 He was a proxy of that ruling class that Trump ran against. And it's not just a ruling class

01:17:43.000 that rigs the system and, you know, games it for their own gain. It's a class that rigs it,

01:17:48.860 gains it for their own gain at their expense. So they wanted these people punished and held

01:17:54.300 to account. And this was basically one of the worst things he could have done. And from that

01:17:58.980 on to pivoting to foreign policy was just more than the base could take, Tucker.

01:18:03.920 And it revealed his side of Trump. I mean, he was so touchy about Epstein. And I do suspect it has

01:18:09.900 to do with the way

01:18:10.580 Epstein died

01:18:11.540 during Trump's

01:18:12.560 first term

01:18:13.220 everyone has forgotten

01:18:14.620 but he revealed

01:18:17.940 when pushed

01:18:18.860 during famously

01:18:19.760 during that cabinet meeting

01:18:20.920 and someone asked him

01:18:21.560 a question about Epstein

01:18:22.300 and he attacked

01:18:23.660 his own voters on it

01:18:24.980 like if you're interested

01:18:26.520 in Epstein

01:18:27.000 you're a bad person

01:18:28.120 you're part of a 0.99

01:18:28.920 Democrat hoax

01:18:29.740 or something like that

01:18:30.560 and I think

01:18:31.000 people who really

01:18:32.820 like Trump

01:18:33.560 were stung by that

01:18:34.960 why is he attacking me

01:18:36.100 I just want to end

01:18:36.980 corruption in Washington

01:18:38.040 like what was that

01:18:39.900 When that happened, I instantly thought back to Rush Limbaugh, and he repeated it in one

01:18:45.800 of his last, it might have been his very last broadcast, where he explained that no matter

01:18:50.180 what the media does to Donald Trump, no matter what the FBI does to Donald Trump, it doesn't

01:18:54.060 matter.

01:18:54.400 It cannot be an external force.

01:18:56.180 They will never break the bond that Donald Trump has with his voters.

01:18:59.280 And the more they attack him, the stronger the bond will get.

01:19:02.200 The only way you can break the bond is if Donald Trump himself breaks the bond.

01:19:06.360 And when he sent that out, Tucker, I just I felt it.

01:19:10.180 I just I've been tracking the Trump coalition since the day he gave his CPAC speech and said, I'm serious about running.

01:19:19.320 I can't I can't let another Bush or another Clinton get in the White House because we're doomed, he said at a CPAC event, which didn't he wasn't as popular as he was now.

01:19:29.440 At that moment, I knew the guy was was for real.

01:19:32.380 And we put him in our tracker for the Republican primary and never forget it.

01:19:36.360 But from that point on, we've been studying that coalition since then.

01:19:39.560 That hurt them.

01:19:40.620 It did.

01:19:41.160 It disappointed a lot of them.

01:19:42.500 And I know a lot of his most ardent supporters still, they'll argue against this.

01:19:47.060 I mean, this is my job.

01:19:48.380 I do this every single day.

01:19:50.660 All I do every day is talk to voters.

01:19:53.220 MAGA has not only split.

01:19:55.220 The question of whether it is split is a done question.

01:19:58.100 It has fractured, and it has transformed.

01:20:01.200 It's split, shrunk, and transformed.

01:20:03.880 And we put this up the other day.

01:20:05.380 I mean, it couldn't have illustrated it better.

01:20:08.400 Going into November 2024, voters who were above the age of 65 actually identified more

01:20:15.060 as a traditional Republican and not a MAGA Republican.

01:20:17.960 If you were below 65 and you were a Republican, you majority identified as either America

01:20:24.300 first or MAGA.

01:20:25.200 We usually put them together and then ask, we'll force people to pick one over the other.

01:20:28.700 if you were a millennial 30 to 45 years old you were 66 percent identifying as MAGA that is now

01:20:38.120 around 40 percent if you were 18 to 29 it was like 56 and now it's 36 if you're 65 again never got to

01:20:48.180 majority it's a majority now and a traditional republican is about 45 so what happened it got

01:20:54.120 older. It got older. And the younger voters who really had so much riding on this thing,

01:21:00.300 they're out. They're out. I didn't know older people were so bloodthirsty. Did you?

01:21:07.620 You know what I think it comes down to, especially with when you study the boomer generation,

01:21:12.400 a lot of people split them into two. And the reason is because the Jones boomers, 0.96

01:21:17.540 you know, which is there's boomer one, boomer two. The Jones avoided the draft and not by their 0.65

01:21:22.460 by choice. It's just their birth year. I think the other generation that was forced to deal 0.53

01:21:27.920 with the war, they were not brought up in an environment like us. You got your news from

01:21:35.720 the mainstream media. There was no way to double check it. There was no online social media

01:21:40.040 podcast. Maybe there was radio here, of course, but it wasn't like it is now. They are still very

01:21:45.800 institutional. I think that's the word. That's probably the fairest word. They were the ones

01:21:51.480 during trump's first term ironically guys they were the ones who more were more likely to believe

01:21:57.020 the collusion hoax because in their minds they're thinking well fox wouldn't be running this if there

01:22:01.900 wasn't some truth to this like fox wouldn't lie to us like this the rest of the country remembers

01:22:07.840 9-11 the rest of the country that you know millennials my generation is a great example

01:22:12.740 we remember being told there were wmds right we remember uh covid by the way that hurt us greatly

01:22:18.900 I mean, it was not, you know, there was health risks for the older generations, but there weren't economic risks. So we're much more sensitive to whether or not institutions are lying to us or not. And I think they're just, you know, more, more trusting. And unfortunately, that leads to more susceptibility for like war propaganda, which is one of the hardest propaganda, you know, forms of propaganda to resist. They are much more susceptible to it.

01:22:42.680 where does this leave people who voted for trump in 2024 the huge number of people who never voted

01:22:50.700 who really bought the promise that he would put the country first and their concerns above

01:22:57.400 those of israel or or anyone else epstein's friends like who they can't they're gonna

01:23:03.540 really vote for the democratic party which hates white people is like a foundational belief i mean

01:23:07.800 they say they do. So I believe them. No, but they can't vote for the Republican Party, which 0.99

01:23:13.280 obviously shares none of their views at all. Like, is there room for a new party for that?

01:23:20.060 Increasingly, we're going to have to start talking about that because the people who

01:23:22.880 did the people who have voted before, but they were maybe low propensity, they voted once or

01:23:27.820 twice. Remember 10x, right? For instance, I mean, the entire point of that was to get people in

01:23:31.960 Michigan and the Rust Belt who don't really vote out to vote. Those people will just stay home.

01:23:37.200 They'll go back to having low propensity vote history, and they just won't vote.

01:23:40.960 The people who are first-time voters, especially if they're younger and they have their lives

01:23:45.420 ahead of them, I mean, the word to describe how they feel right now is basically apoplectic.

01:23:50.640 I mean, it's not really anger.

01:23:51.820 It's more disappointment.

01:23:54.000 And that typically does lead to people staying home.

01:23:57.180 But many of them will participate.

01:23:59.900 In the midterms, I just don't think they will.

01:24:02.060 But they have to figure out what they're going to do in the next general election.

01:24:04.860 I think it's too early now, but I think at this point in our history, we have other examples to go back to and rely on.

01:24:12.360 The last time there was a betrayal of this magnitude, it was read my lips, no new taxes.

01:24:17.880 And instead, he raised taxes and started what?

01:24:21.300 A war, right?

01:24:22.700 And that led to the fracturing of his coalition into the Ross Perot coalition, which put the Republican Party in the wilderness in the dark ages, the political dark ages, for eight years.

01:24:33.880 And it was only until George W. Bush came in 2000, beat John McCain, who was your textbook

01:24:39.640 rhino, foreign policy hawk.

01:24:41.280 He beat John McCain for that primary running on what?

01:24:44.500 Not on post 9-11 policy.

01:24:47.280 He ran on, you know, we can't be the policemen of the world.

01:24:50.380 He rebranded conservatism, compassionate conservatism.

01:24:54.380 That's what it took.

01:24:55.780 So typically, historically, when we do see something like this, it's very, very damaging

01:25:01.100 to that party in power.

01:25:03.440 It just seems like there's such alignment

01:25:04.980 on foreign policy and economics

01:25:07.400 between the Republican and Democratic parties.

01:25:10.600 And I mean, you haven't seen,

01:25:12.460 you said the war is so unpopular,

01:25:14.360 but you haven't seen any mass protests against it.

01:25:17.480 Mass protests are typically funded

01:25:18.680 by left-wing nonprofits,

01:25:20.880 and they're not funding anti-war protests right now.

01:25:23.920 So that's kind of proof to me

01:25:25.200 that this war was, you know,

01:25:28.680 every bit as favored by Chuck Schumer

01:25:31.380 as it was by Donald Trump.

01:25:33.800 So like, that's not an option, right?

01:25:37.140 Yeah, I think in the short term,

01:25:39.520 everyone should probably prepare themselves

01:25:41.320 for whatever you want to call it,

01:25:43.500 the uniparty, the bipartisan war party.

01:25:47.020 We should prepare for them to win in the short term. 0.72

01:25:50.260 If younger voters aren't going to vote,

01:25:52.520 especially in primaries and midterms,

01:25:54.600 we'll be left with two to four years

01:25:57.280 of that being almost inevitable.

01:25:59.160 But this is what I would tell people who are feeling, you know, grim out there.

01:26:03.860 It's only a matter of time. 0.68

01:26:05.600 This is something that the Israel first crowd just wants to deny and pretend isn't reality.

01:26:11.480 The aid signal is way too strong.

01:26:13.740 It is only a matter of time.

01:26:16.600 And just, yeah, I mean, that's our current reality.

01:26:19.840 I mean, it is what it is.

01:26:21.640 So last question.

01:26:22.960 Thank you for your really smart analysis.

01:26:24.820 You've been watching Trump since his famous or not so famous CPAC speech and watching

01:26:31.500 him carefully and polling against everything he says.

01:26:34.660 You saw the change in Trump.

01:26:37.080 Is it a real I mean, do you perceive this as a massive change in worldview for him?

01:26:42.460 And if you do, what do you think accounts for it?

01:26:44.500 Why did this happen?

01:26:46.480 You know, I think it almost doesn't matter what his view is, you know, what he's personally

01:26:51.020 thinking.

01:26:51.560 the perception among voters it's it's a 180 it's completely different they see donald trump in

01:26:59.760 now may of 2026 far differently than they saw him in november of 2024 and that's tragic for

01:27:06.760 the republican party and their their uh you know their aspirations and people there's a deep bench

01:27:11.680 you know there's jd vance there are others you know what what's going to happen to them what's

01:27:15.820 the smartest move for them to make in the future. He, in 2024, made being a Republican cool again.

01:27:22.760 And he won so many more younger votes than Mitt Romney or a Mitt Romney-like candidate

01:27:27.860 could ever win. I would leave you with this too, when we're talking about this generational divide,

01:27:33.480 which is the most important conversation I think to have. Trump actually did one point worse in 24

01:27:39.040 with 65 plus than he did with it with them in 2020 yet he won rather easily even though we

01:27:45.640 lost in 2020 how did he do that right and it's it really the answer is really simple

01:27:52.080 he changed how people view the republican party and he was the oppressed and he was the one you

01:27:58.400 know it's amazing how he did it you know he's like an older billionaire from queens and yet

01:28:03.360 he got Hispanic, especially young Hispanic men to see eye to eye with him, to think,

01:28:09.900 you know what? I can identify with this guy. They're persecuting him. They're coming after

01:28:13.280 him. And a lot of these communities, they know the power of the state and the abuse of the power

01:28:17.260 of the state. They know it better than the rest of us in many cases. And they identified with him

01:28:22.280 over it. That's all gone. I mean, I hate to just be so blunt about it, but the shine's off on that

01:28:27.820 side, Tucker. It's been off. And at this point, it would take a radical pivot to even attempt to

01:28:34.520 get it back. Is there anyone who's polling well in American politics?

01:28:42.160 Not really. Not really. I think in 28, yeah, I mean, that's almost a good thing because this

01:28:48.480 has happened before and for better or for worse, it usually leads to dark horses on both sides of

01:28:53.680 the aisle that basically rise from the ashes of their destroyed political parties and become

01:28:58.720 the leaders of new movements and try to take the country in new directions.

01:29:03.520 Sometimes it ends up fake, like Barack Obama, right?

01:29:06.280 And sometimes it ends up a good thing.

01:29:08.040 We'll see.

01:29:08.440 But at least it provides an opportunity.

01:29:11.080 Richard Barris, so smart.

01:29:12.280 I can't believe you get attacked.

01:29:13.460 You seem as objective as a pollster can be.

01:29:16.440 More even than Frank Luntz, I'll say that.

01:29:19.040 Oh, that's something.

01:29:20.280 That's a part of it.

01:29:21.240 Yeah, I'm surprised myself, but I appreciate that.

01:29:24.480 Thank you for doing this.

01:29:25.940 Anytime, Tucker. All the best.

01:29:27.580 Thanks.

01:29:28.560 And thank you for watching. We'll be back next Wednesday.

The Tucker Carlson Show - May 21, 2026

Tucker Responds to the Israel Lobby Defeating Thomas Massie and Killing MAGA

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