The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker & Steve Bannon on Jay Jones’ Desire to Genocide Republican Kids and the Future of the Right

00:00:00.000 No sooner has a temporary peace been declared in the Middle East than America has not one but two leaked text scandals to chew over.

00:00:09.740 Amazing. Now, almost no matter what is in the leaked text, a leaked text scandal is a fun scandal because it's inherently salacious.

00:00:17.620 People text under the false presumption that what they're writing is private, and so they relax, they're unguarded.

00:00:24.060 And very often, however, they're wrong, and those texts come out.

00:00:27.980 It's happened to me.

00:00:30.000 And what you learn when you read them is what people are saying and presumably thinking in private.

00:00:35.180 So it's kind of a window into a person's private life.

00:00:37.640 It's very much like a sex tape, and it's irresistible.

00:00:41.340 Everybody loves a leaked text scandal.

00:00:45.480 What's interesting, really, is are they meaningful?

00:00:50.640 Does it actually tell you something about the person who's texting?

00:00:53.780 Well, that all depends on the context.

00:00:55.080 There are plenty of things you text throughout the course of a day if you're an average American that really don't reflect a lot about who you really are or what you really think, much less what you intend to do.

00:01:04.460 If you text, that girl's so hot. 1.00

00:01:06.640 Do you plan to sleep with her?

00:01:08.120 Maybe.

00:01:08.920 Maybe not.

00:01:09.940 In fact, likely not.

00:01:10.920 But the presumption to many readers is that you do.

00:01:15.480 So it's misleading inherently. 0.72

00:01:17.260 If you say something really ugly, does that mean you're an ugly person?

00:01:20.640 Well, that all depends.

00:01:22.840 How vehemently did you say it?

00:01:24.200 Did you repeat it?

00:01:24.860 Did you explain why you thought it?

00:01:26.000 Again, context really matters, and leaked texts can be grossly unfair and misleading to the person from whom they're leaked because they don't actually reveal the character of the texter.

00:01:39.800 And moreover, by the way, who wants to be reduced to his ugliest text?

00:01:43.400 Not many of us.

00:01:44.240 But they're still interesting, and they can reveal a lot about the people who sent them.

00:01:48.980 So let's go in order through the details of the two leaked text scandals now roiling this country because not simply the text but the response to the text tells you a lot about the state of American politics and particularly about the differences between the two major parties in how they responded.

00:02:08.060 So first up, the Republican scandal, and it comes to us from Telegram, which is a supposedly pretty secure texting app, and we're going to read some of them.

00:02:18.540 So these kids were texting to each other.

00:02:20.720 These are young Republicans texting each other on a group chat on Telegram.

00:02:25.300 This somehow wound up on Politico, and they are saying things like this.

00:02:29.900 They're referring to African-Americans as, quote, the watermelon people.

00:02:33.340 Here's someone else saying that, and we're quoting, everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber. 0.96

00:02:39.480 And finally, someone on the group text called someone, and I'm quoting now, retarded. 0.97

00:02:44.520 So these are young Republicans from across the country texting each other.

00:02:49.720 They are young men.

00:02:51.140 And you might think at first glance that these are kind of young men texts.

00:02:56.220 These are mildly or in some cases more than mildly edgy.

00:03:00.780 And they're kind of showing off to each other.

00:03:03.340 So how bad is this?

00:03:04.380 Well, you probably wouldn't say it at Thanksgiving dinner.

00:03:08.460 But is it a death penalty offense?

00:03:10.920 Well, let's check in with some of the guardians of public morals on the Republican side. 0.97

00:03:16.000 First up, this is a statement from the Young Republicans, National Young Republican Board of Directors.

00:03:22.640 And we have no idea who these people are, but you can imagine affluent, unmarried gentlemen shepherding these young Republicans through their political growth.

00:03:30.620 I'm not saying they need FBI background checks, but you can just sort of imagine in your mind who these guys are.

00:03:36.820 And we're assuming they're guys.

00:03:37.840 Of course they are.

00:03:38.920 We're quoting.

00:03:39.540 This is their response to these naughty texts leaked to Politico.

00:03:43.900 Quote, we are appalled by the vile and inexcusable language revealed in the Politico article published, a vile and inexcusable.

00:03:52.180 Such behavior is disgraceful.

00:03:54.580 Not just vile and inexcusable, but disgraceful.

00:03:56.740 It's unbecoming of any Republican.

00:03:59.100 And it stands in direct opposition to the values our movement represents.

00:04:05.600 Bracket values that are not in any way articulated by the Board of the Young Republicans.

00:04:09.000 But whatever, they stand against those values.

00:04:11.140 Those involved must immediately resign from all positions within their state and local young Republican organizations.

00:04:17.100 We must hold ourselves to the highest standards of integrity, respect, and professionalism.

00:04:23.720 Well, it's an unequivocal statement of disgust.

00:04:27.400 Next up, this is Congressman Mike Lawler.

00:04:30.540 Seems like a nice enough guy from New York.

00:04:33.280 He's a young man whose donors were very offended by this.

00:04:36.860 And so he wrote this, Mike Lawler, acting on behalf of people who pay him money, no question.

00:04:41.720 Quote, the deeply offensive and hateful comments reportedly made in a private chat among members of the New York State Young Republicans are disgusting. 0.78

00:04:50.700 Not only deeply offensive and hateful, but disgusting.

00:04:54.360 They should resign from any leadership position immediately and reflect on how far they have strayed from basic human respect and decency. 0.99

00:05:03.740 You, sir, the one who called somebody retarded, are indecent.

00:05:07.020 You have strayed from public decency. 0.96

00:05:11.000 That is Mike Lawler's position.

00:05:13.020 So these kids, and who knows how old they are, none of them over 30, no question about it, texting each other in the middle of the day, blowing off work.

00:05:20.600 Look, on Telegram, these kids should resign their positions, hang their heads in shame, and reflect on the indecency of their text exchange with their buddies.

00:05:30.940 So that's the position of official republicandom to these boys.

00:05:36.180 If you didn't know better, you might think that the whole purpose of being an official republican is to keep your party within certain bounds.

00:05:45.000 Not of decency.

00:05:46.560 No.

00:05:47.740 But certain bounds whose rules are written maybe by the other party.

00:05:52.600 Hmm.

00:05:53.580 This looks a lot like gatekeeping, not the preservation of decency.

00:05:57.680 Why do we think that?

00:05:58.440 Well, because there is widespread indecent behavior among republican officials, not just indecent sexual behavior, though doubtless that exists too, but out in the open, public indecency.

00:06:10.020 For example, people taking money from the payday loan lobby.

00:06:14.380 Yes, that happens.

00:06:15.440 Or from foreign governments.

00:06:18.420 That happens too.

00:06:19.880 Or openly advocating for pointless wars in which Americans get killed.

00:06:24.660 For no reason in which our treasury is drained on behalf of somebody else, not us.

00:06:30.920 There are plenty of republicans who support all of that.

00:06:34.380 Lindsey Graham, for example.

00:06:35.940 How many American deaths would you estimate Lindsey Graham is responsible for? 1.00

00:06:41.160 Not simply as a man who frequently articulates the need to go die for some other country, but as a man who votes to start wars that get Americans killed.

00:06:50.880 Has Mike Lawler denounced him as indecent?

00:06:53.440 Should he be reflecting upon his sins?

00:06:57.140 Nope.

00:06:58.440 Lindsey Graham is a republican elder in good standing, beloved by everybody because he's funny.

00:07:04.440 What about the republicans who constantly, constantly telling us that we need to pledge allegiance to a foreign country?

00:07:19.660 Are those people traitors?

00:07:21.140 Have they committed an indecent act?

00:07:22.420 No, they're all totally fine.

00:07:25.680 But according to Mike Lawler and the board of the National Young Republicans Organization, these kids are done.

00:07:32.380 So the response, and that's the interesting part of this story really, not the fact that someone got called retarded or said someone should go to the gas chambers.

00:07:39.660 But the response was quick and it was unequivocal.

00:07:43.380 The party will not tolerate this, the Republican Party.

00:07:46.160 And what's interesting about this story is that it appeared against the backdrop of a bigger and longer story when the beginning of the beginning of this month out of Virginia, where there's a very tight race for attorney general.

00:07:57.680 It's one of those positions that very few people outside of politics consider important, but within politics is considered the key position in any state.

00:08:05.220 It's the head lawyer in the state.

00:08:06.260 That person has an awful lot of power and the race in Virginia includes the Republican incumbent standing up against a 36-year-old man called Jay Jones.

00:08:17.900 Jay Jones is a former delegate in the Virginia House.

00:08:20.680 And a few years ago, Jay Jones became very annoyed, apparently, with the head Republican in the House of Delegates.

00:08:30.660 And he expressed his anger at this man in a text exchange with a Republican delegate.

00:08:36.480 Interesting.

00:08:37.260 With a woman. 0.97

00:08:38.880 And that text exchange unfolded this way.

00:08:41.600 Now, I'm going to read this verbatim and you can decide whether this is lacking context or not.

00:08:45.840 So this is Jay Jones, the 36-year-old then delegate, black guy, now running for attorney general.

00:08:53.560 And he's talking about a man called Todd Gilbert, the head Republican in the Virginia House.

00:08:57.880 And he says of Gilbert, he's speaking to Kerry Conyer, who's a fellow delegate Republican.

00:09:02.460 He says, if these guys go before me, if they die before me, I will go to their funerals to piss on their graves, send them out awash in something.

00:09:10.240 To which Kerry Conyer, who clearly is kind of a decent person, says, Jay Jones. 0.77

00:09:15.960 And then Jones responds this way.

00:09:17.620 Three people, two bullets.

00:09:19.980 Gilbert, Hitler, and Paul Pott. 0.98

00:09:22.380 Gilbert gets two bullets to the head. 0.96

00:09:24.180 Spoiler. 0.70

00:09:25.360 Put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people you know, and he receives both bullets every time.

00:09:31.180 Jay, says Kerry Conyer, please stop.

00:09:34.760 Jay says, LOL.

00:09:35.720 Okay, okay.

00:09:36.280 Then she says, if it really bothers me when you talk about hurting people or wishing death on them, it isn't okay, no matter who they are.

00:09:45.800 So at this point, she calls him.

00:09:48.960 Kerry Conyers calls Jay Jones and says, I'm really bothered by our tax exchange.

00:09:52.880 Do you mean that?

00:09:54.520 Do you really wish death on the head Republican in the House? 1.00

00:09:58.420 And Jay Jones says, not only do I wish death on him and his wife, I also wish death on their children. 0.98

00:10:03.440 He says that, and we know he says it because he repeats it in this text exchange, which followed their phone conversation. 0.98

00:10:10.220 He says, she says this to Jay Jones.

00:10:12.800 You weren't simply asking questions and you know it, Jones.

00:10:15.980 I genuinely was.

00:10:16.800 I wasn't attacking you.

00:10:18.140 I was trying to understand your logic.

00:10:20.280 She says, you weren't trying to understand.

00:10:22.160 You were hoping Jennifer Gilbert's children would die.

00:10:26.400 To which you would expect, Jay Jones said, I don't want our kids to die.

00:10:29.280 I was just trying to make a rhetorical point, right?

00:10:31.440 Nope.

00:10:32.500 Jay Jones says, yes. 1.00

00:10:34.860 I do want them to die. 0.99

00:10:36.460 I've told you this before. 1.00

00:10:37.960 Only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy.

00:10:43.700 To which Conyers says, I point blank asked you more than three times and you dug in that you meant it.

00:10:51.340 I'm honestly questioning a lot today.

00:10:53.160 And he writes back in the clearest sentence ever uttered in a private text exchange. 0.96

00:10:58.680 I mean, I do think Todd and Jennifer are evil and they're breeding little fascists. 0.96

00:11:05.220 Yes, I think that. 1.00

00:11:07.140 They're evil and they're breeding little fascists who deserve to die. 0.99

00:11:10.840 Anyway, this is not one of those text exchanges where you have to guess at the context or the intent. 0.99

00:11:18.300 This is an exchange between two people, one of whom is calling for the murder of children and the other is trying really hard from the context here to talk him out of thinking that.

00:11:28.080 You don't really mean that, do you, Jay Jones?

00:11:29.600 Yes, I do.

00:11:30.540 Yes, I do mean that.

00:11:31.480 Now, there are so many levels of irony here.

00:11:35.460 The most obvious is this is a leading Democrat who wants to be the chief law enforcement officer in the state who is a gun control advocate calling for the murder of kids.

00:11:45.880 Okay.

00:11:46.880 And calling for the murder of kids because they're related to adults he doesn't like. 0.95

00:11:51.920 This is African ethics. 0.81

00:11:53.500 This is the Hutu mentality. 0.99

00:11:55.800 This is guilt by blood.

00:11:57.960 There is nothing less Western than this.

00:11:59.900 This is the idea that you are tainted or you're virtuous because of how you were born.

00:12:08.580 This is a collective understanding of the world.

00:12:10.980 This is tribal.

00:12:12.580 And if you think it through, this is what identity politics inexorably leads to.

00:12:18.380 It leads toward giving some people rewards and others very dire punishments based on how they look and based on who their parents are.

00:12:25.440 There is nothing less Western than this, but Jay Jones embraces it completely.

00:12:32.260 And the man that he's talking about, by the way, Todd Gilbert, then the head Republican.

00:12:37.760 Is not famous as some kind of firebrand.

00:12:43.300 He's just sort of a normal guy.

00:12:45.300 So what is going on here exactly?

00:12:47.880 What's going on here is what we see all around us.

00:12:51.820 You have two parties, one of which is committed to polite language.

00:12:56.720 And the other is committed to following the logic of their own belief, identity politics, being the core belief of the Democratic Party, to its logical extension.

00:13:07.080 And the logical extension is some groups get the rewards and other groups get killed.

00:13:12.540 This is the logic of a lot of the world, by the way.

00:13:14.440 It's the logic of Africa, all of Africa. 0.98

00:13:17.160 It's the logic of the Middle East. 0.95

00:13:18.920 It is not the logic of America, of our politics, of our civil society, of our religion.

00:13:26.760 It's the opposite.

00:13:29.540 So why did it take leaked text exchanges for us to find this out?

00:13:34.540 We're going to speak to the head Republican in the House of Delegates in Virginia in a minute and ask.

00:13:39.960 But there are a couple of things to point out.

00:13:41.380 But this man, Jay Jones, is almost a perfect representative of his party. 0.61

00:13:50.640 He is black. 0.54

00:13:52.740 And because he is, he has very often been the victim of racism because that's what it is to be black in America. 0.85

00:13:59.940 You don't get a fair shot.

00:14:01.460 No one takes you seriously.

00:14:02.360 You're constantly being attacked.

00:14:04.300 And he's talked about this quite a bit.

00:14:06.000 Here is Jay Jones talking about his experience as a black man in America.

00:14:09.560 All across this commonwealth, whether it's a confederate flag hanging on the highways here in the commonwealth,

00:14:15.620 whether it is our restrictive voting laws that we've worked to update in the legislature, we've got so much work to do.

00:14:21.860 We know that our system is inequitable and unjust.

00:14:24.900 If you've ever been to a correctional facility or a jail in this commonwealth,

00:14:28.260 you'll see that the faces are predominantly black and brown.

00:14:31.440 That doesn't make any sense.

00:14:33.060 We've got to make sure we update this system, start from scratch to make sure that it's going to work for every single person.

00:14:38.500 As a black Virginian who has experienced racism and discrimination firsthand, I know what this is all about.

00:14:45.000 So that's the thing about Jay Jones.

00:14:46.420 He's seen racial discrimination firsthand.

00:14:48.760 In the state where he lives, literally in his state, there was a person who had a confederate flag.

00:14:55.160 So he's lived it.

00:14:56.080 I mean, he's not crossing the Edmund Pettus Bridge to face off fire hoses, but it's pretty close.

00:14:59.460 Someone flew a confederate flag in his state.

00:15:02.100 Here he is again.

00:15:03.980 This is another quote from him, which I'll read.

00:15:05.980 This is Jay Jones during the Ralph Northam, former Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, blackface scandal.

00:15:12.480 When it turned out that Ralph Northam had worn blackface at a party in college decades before.

00:15:19.180 Literally true.

00:15:20.460 Ralph Northam was also openly for infanticide.

00:15:22.600 Not a problem.

00:15:23.140 But he wore blackface at a party once and no one was more rattled, almost undone by this, than Jay Jones. 0.57

00:15:30.480 Listen to Jay Jones at the time.

00:15:31.700 To me, and many people like me, these events are a window into a struggle that defines daily life for African Americans from the day we are born until the day we die.

00:15:43.640 And despite the generations of suffering and sacrifice, my own life has been impacted by the overt and covert racism that has haunted my ancestors for hundreds of years.

00:15:53.020 And it wasn't always overt racism thrown in my face.

00:15:57.200 It was the casual racism, the subtle comments, the jokes from white acquaintances who had the luxury of thinking about race as fodder for humor.

00:16:06.080 The black Virginia that is still oppressed by vestiges of Jim Crow in our legal system, that fears law enforcement, is mocked in yearbooks and photos year after year after year and looks skeptically at white Virginia because of the generations past.

00:16:21.420 So you can see Jay Jones has felt the pain, he's felt the sting, the bullwhip on his shoulders, the German shepherds at his heels, fighting for equality in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

00:16:32.880 And you know that from the world he grew up in.

00:16:36.600 Jay Jones is the grandson of a prominent lawyer in Norfolk.

00:16:41.200 Jay Jones' father went to boarding school in Princeton.

00:16:44.700 He became a judge, just like Jay Jones' mother.

00:16:47.520 Jay Jones went to the most expensive private school in Norfolk.

00:16:51.980 Then he went from there to William and Mary.

00:16:54.640 And then he was forced to endure the University of Virginia Law School.

00:16:57.680 Now we haven't seen the deal he cut with financial aid, but we can guess he probably paid nothing for any of that.

00:17:04.420 And that's the racism he has felt.

00:17:06.100 Now the man he's attacking, by the way, the man whose children he would like to murder, went to public school.

00:17:12.820 The white guy, he went to public school.

00:17:15.080 He's not the grandson of a rich lawyer.

00:17:18.460 His dad did not go to Princeton.

00:17:19.760 He's not the son of two judges.

00:17:21.740 But he is a white guy. 0.96

00:17:23.100 Therefore, he's the oppressor. 0.90

00:17:24.900 This is a very familiar script.

00:17:27.300 You thought it ended when cancel culture went away.

00:17:30.520 But of course, cancel culture didn't go anywhere.

00:17:32.060 It's in full force.

00:17:32.980 And it always will be until it's smashed.

00:17:35.260 Why?

00:17:36.460 Well, because it's the source of power.

00:17:37.740 It's a source of moral authority.

00:17:39.800 Victimhood is power.

00:17:42.580 And so the one thing that you can't give up is your victimhood.

00:17:46.720 And that's how we wound up at this very weird place that we are now where the richest and most entitled people in our society,

00:17:52.640 the people who have derived the greatest benefits from our society, persist in telling you day after day that they are the oppressed.

00:17:59.040 They need security.

00:18:00.340 People are being mean to them.

00:18:01.680 Oh, I've got to have security.

00:18:02.720 You better pay for it, by the way, because your rhetoric has endangered me.

00:18:06.000 You don't know the pain that I suffer with.

00:18:09.320 Billionaires say this all the time.

00:18:11.740 People like Jay Jones, coddled, growing up not in the hood, but in a household of two judges, one of whom went to Princeton,

00:18:21.220 going probably for free to a local white private school.

00:18:26.240 This guy is telling you that he's Medgar Evers.

00:18:29.160 And the thing is, this is 70 years after Brown v. Board of Education, 70 years since the Supreme Court banned segregation.

00:18:42.380 And here's this guy, the product of the best Norfolk has to offer, again, probably for free, someone ought to ask him, is telling us that he's a victim.

00:18:53.740 So if 70 years later, politicians are still saying that, then you're starting to figure out that this will never end because it's the key to their power over you.

00:19:05.140 So the second interesting thing about what Jay Jones says, which I think any normal person would say is instantly disqualifying,

00:19:15.220 it's not an offhand remark about how someone's retarded or should go to the gas chamber, by the way, not just the gas chamber at Auschwitz, but just the gas chamber. 0.88

00:19:24.120 Could be the California penal gas chamber, not specified, but whatever.

00:19:30.860 The kid said it, ugly thing to say, shouldn't have said it.

00:19:33.760 But that kid is being written out of Republican politics.

00:19:37.760 And this guy, who has two separate long text exchanges and a phone call where a Republican friend is trying to talk him out of genocidal intent, 0.99

00:19:49.360 says again and again and again, no, I want to kill the children because they're little fascists because of the blood in their veins or the color of their skin or whatever. 0.99

00:19:56.860 They're in the wrong tribe. 1.00

00:19:57.760 They should be killed. 1.00

00:19:59.000 That's pretty heavy. 1.00

00:20:01.480 And for a chief law enforcement officer of a major American state, that is disqualifying.

00:20:05.800 If that's not disqualifying, then nothing is disqualifying.

00:20:09.040 Has Jay Jones been disqualified?

00:20:10.400 No, he could win.

00:20:11.940 He could win the election.

00:20:13.400 Early voting is in progress right now.

00:20:14.840 Of course, that's the point of early voting.

00:20:16.600 It's to make sure people vote before they know anything.

00:20:22.520 He could win.

00:20:24.120 And one of the reasons he could win is because the Democratic Party of Virginia and nationally has formed a phalanx around him to protect him.

00:20:32.860 The Black Caucus of Virginia elected black legislators in Virginia because he's in their tribe are defending him flat out.

00:20:38.560 But Trump is bad, they say. 0.99

00:20:39.720 Trump is bad. 0.58

00:20:41.140 Really? 0.95

00:20:41.620 Has Trump called for the children of Americans he disagreed with to be murdered because they're related to people he disagrees with?

00:20:48.860 Probably not.

00:20:50.440 And if he ever does do that, every normal person will call for him to step down because that is disqualifying.

00:20:55.680 But according to the Black Caucus of Virginia, no, no, no.

00:20:59.100 Jay Jones is good enough.

00:21:01.840 And it's not just on a statewide level.

00:21:04.400 It's at the national level.

00:21:06.300 Here's Nancy Pelosi defending Jay Jones. 0.99

00:21:09.040 Watch.

00:21:09.300 There is a Democrat running for attorney general who's embroiled in a scandal over text messages in which he, the Democrat, said that the GOP speaker of the House of Delegates should get two bullets to the head for how he paid tribute to a former moderate Democratic lawmaker who died.

00:21:27.440 He has apologized.

00:21:29.160 Should he get out of the race?

00:21:32.080 Well, that's up to the people, the leaders in Virginia.

00:21:36.340 They have said he has apologized.

00:21:38.720 What I understand is they say that on balance, he's a better person to be attorney general.

00:21:45.020 He's a better.

00:21:45.920 In what sense, Ms.

00:21:48.220 Former Speaker, is this man a better choice to be attorney general of the state of Virginia?

00:21:53.260 Of course, no one will ever ask her that.

00:21:54.460 You'll notice that CNN truncated the quotes where he's kind of offering up some rhetorical.

00:21:59.860 If you had three, two bullets, you know, who would you kill? 0.99

00:22:03.040 And left out the part where he says we should kill the children, too. 1.00

00:22:05.900 And he goes full Hutu, full African, and says we should kill the children, the children, because they're a little fascist, because their parents are fascists. 1.00

00:22:14.720 Kill the wife. 1.00

00:22:16.140 Kill the boar. 1.00

00:22:16.980 Kill the farmer. 1.00

00:22:17.900 That's what that is. 1.00

00:22:19.880 That's kill the boar. 1.00

00:22:20.660 Kill the farmer. 1.00

00:22:22.720 CNN left that out. 1.00

00:22:24.480 Of course.

00:22:26.540 But Nancy Pelosi just says, well, he's better.

00:22:29.360 Well, in what sense is he better?

00:22:30.740 How could you be?

00:22:33.540 How could anything be worse than that?

00:22:35.700 And the answer is, of course, abortion, another form of killing.

00:22:38.700 That's all they care about.

00:22:40.080 They want the ritual to continue.

00:22:42.080 And somewhere in her reptile brain, she understands that a Democratic AG will be more likely to protect abortion than a Republican.

00:22:52.300 And that's it.

00:22:53.100 That's the only issue that matters.

00:22:54.800 That's the only domestic issue that matters.

00:22:58.320 It's neocon foreign policy and abortion.

00:23:01.620 That's all that matters to the Republican Party, because that's all that matters to its donors.

00:23:05.320 And both are incredibly dark. 0.98

00:23:07.260 Both are about killing.

00:23:09.980 That's what connects them. 1.00

00:23:11.420 Neocon foreign policy, kill them. 1.00

00:23:14.100 Abortion, kill them. 1.00

00:23:14.940 And both make the people who espouse them feel like God. 1.00

00:23:18.180 That's the appeal.

00:23:19.220 They're not policies.

00:23:20.020 They're rituals.

00:23:21.100 They're Canaanite rituals.

00:23:22.920 Of course.

00:23:23.560 They're sacrifices.

00:23:24.220 But that's the most important thing.

00:23:26.340 And it's so important to her and to her party that she's willing to be a little bit embarrassed.

00:23:32.020 I'm sure part of her, I mean, she grew up Catholic in Baltimore 80 years ago. 0.98

00:23:36.380 Part of her is thinking, ooh, kill the children? 0.99

00:23:38.720 Can we really support that?

00:23:39.740 And then those instincts are overridden by what she knows to be true, which is anything that jeopardizes abortion must be stopped, no matter what.

00:23:50.860 And that's also clearly the calculation of Abigail Spanberger.

00:23:54.260 Now, she's a member of Congress from Northern Virginia.

00:23:57.340 She's also probably the single creepiest person to serve in the House. 1.00

00:24:01.680 A former CIA officer, actual CIA officer, or for some Saudi think tank.

00:24:05.920 And then the CIA as an officer, which you think would disqualify someone immediately from serving in the Congress.

00:24:12.640 How can you be an intel officer and then serve in the Congress?

00:24:15.200 That's not a good idea because it further blurs the lines between intel gathering and governing, which are blurred enough.

00:24:22.500 But Abigail Spanberger, who's kind of the perfect distillation of the low IQ lefty suburban mom, is running for governor right now and winning still against the Republican candidate, Winsome Sears. 1.00

00:24:35.360 And in their only debate the other night, Winsome Sears saw an advantage in talking about Jay Jones and put this question directly to Abigail Spanberger.

00:24:42.380 This is someone who's running on your ticket.

00:24:45.080 His name will be right next to hers on Election Day.

00:24:48.880 What do you think of this?

00:24:50.820 Amazing exchange.

00:24:51.840 Watch this.

00:24:52.900 He must leave the race because Jay Jones advocated the murder, Abigail.

00:24:57.100 The murder of a man, a former speaker, as well as his children who were two years, two and five years old.

00:25:05.780 You have little girls.

00:25:07.800 Would it take him pulling the trigger?

00:25:10.100 Is that what would do it?

00:25:11.560 And then you would say he needs to get out of the race, Abigail? 0.82

00:25:15.420 You have nothing to say?

00:25:18.080 Abigail.

00:25:18.460 What if he said it about your two children, your three children?

00:25:23.540 Is that when you would say he should get out of the race, Abigail?

00:25:29.280 You're running to be governor.

00:25:33.260 Imagine that.

00:25:34.240 The self-discipline that takes to just sit there as your opponent says things that are indisputably true

00:25:41.140 and no normal person you would hope in the United States would disagree.

00:25:43.900 You can't call for the murder of somebody's small children just because you don't like his politics.

00:25:48.900 And she can't even say, look, it's awful.

00:25:52.980 I get it.

00:25:54.420 But I'm not running for attorney general.

00:25:56.780 I'm running for governor.

00:25:57.880 And I'll let voters decide or whatever.

00:25:59.180 She shouldn't say anything.

00:26:00.820 And you would think as a mother herself, inside, deep inside somewhere,

00:26:04.900 would be just a basic human revulsion to the idea.

00:26:08.420 So either that doesn't exist or, much more likely, giving her the benefit of the doubt,

00:26:15.580 she understands that the Democratic Party is only about power.

00:26:21.640 And in order to achieve power, you need numbers.

00:26:25.320 You need the most offices you can get.

00:26:29.740 And then you can wield power.

00:26:31.260 Not for any specific end, but for its own sake.

00:26:34.020 And they have that goal ever present in mind.

00:26:38.980 Safety in numbers, stick together, and we win.

00:26:43.320 And when we win, we can do whatever we want.

00:26:46.580 Not make the country better, but we can do what we want.

00:26:49.600 Our tribe will be in charge.

00:26:51.740 That's the imperative.

00:26:53.380 And they are focused on that relentlessly at every single level.

00:26:59.340 I can promise you, if the Young Democrats organization had a group chat leaked,

00:27:06.520 which of course wouldn't happen because no Young Democrat would send his own group chat to Politico

00:27:13.260 to screw his friends, like that just wouldn't happen because there's loyalty among thieves.

00:27:18.540 But if that did happen, there's no doubt that the Young Democrats of America Association would just ignore it.

00:27:26.200 They would do what Abigail Spanberger did, which she was willing to do.

00:27:30.760 And the amazing thing is that woman who couldn't answer the most reasonable, simple question, 1.00

00:27:36.760 are you for murdering kids, is likely to be elected the next governor of Virginia. 0.76

00:27:42.600 So without getting too hysterical or fear-mongery or making the bogus claim that every Democrat wants to kill every Republican, 0.90

00:27:51.180 that's not true.

00:27:53.260 But there is, unmistakably, a hunger for violence among some Democratic leaders.

00:28:00.000 There's no question.

00:28:00.580 Well, now it's been revealed.

00:28:01.360 And so the Charlie Kirk murder and the shooting of Steve Scalise, the attempted murder of Lee Zeldin, etc., etc., etc., etc.,

00:28:09.840 these were not anomalies.

00:28:10.940 These were not randoms.

00:28:12.580 They may have been lone gunmen with no accomplices or social media history.

00:28:16.740 We may hear that again soon.

00:28:18.200 But they're in no sense disconnected from the larger movement, which is totally committed to total control.

00:28:26.740 And anyone who stands in the way of that and their children is a valid target. 0.71

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00:32:08.600 And now to the specifics of the Virginia case.

00:32:12.700 Terry Kilgore is the, I think, longest serving,

00:32:15.380 certainly the leading, the top Republican in the Virginia House of delegates.

00:32:19.740 Knows everybody involved in this.

00:32:21.920 Terry, thanks so much for joining us.

00:32:24.760 Jay Jones, who is this guy?

00:32:27.640 And were you aware that he was fantasizing about genocide

00:32:31.700 when you worked with him?

00:32:33.480 No.

00:32:34.360 He's, I served in the general assembly with him, Tucker,

00:32:36.880 and served with him for a few years.

00:32:39.020 Served with his dad for probably 10 years.

00:32:42.040 His dad was a great individual.

00:32:43.840 We served on courts of justice together and commerce and labor together.

00:32:47.420 So, no, I had no idea that anyone would be fantasizing about killing a speaker

00:32:52.740 of the house or his two kids who are two and five years old.

00:32:55.920 It was just, when I first heard this, this was crazy.

00:33:00.220 I just thought, no, this couldn't be true.

00:33:02.440 But it is true. 0.90

00:33:03.620 You did see Jay Jones, though, when the blackface scandal happened several years ago,

00:33:09.380 jump up and down about how he'd been the victim of racism.

00:33:12.860 You're from Southwest Virginia, which is overwhelmingly white and poor. 0.89

00:33:16.740 This is a black guy or part black guy or whatever.

00:33:19.620 He says he's a black guy from Norfolk, whose dad went to boarding school in Princeton.

00:33:24.940 Both parents are judges.

00:33:25.960 He goes to private school and then UVA law school.

00:33:28.000 He is a child of privilege if there ever was one.

00:33:29.960 And did anyone, when he was going on about how he was the victim of racism, ever say,

00:33:33.460 hey, son, you're a rich kid. 0.99

00:33:34.460 Shut up. 0.99

00:33:35.920 Well, I mean, no, I don't think they did. 0.98

00:33:38.600 But every Democrat at that time, every Democrat called for Ralph Northam to resign.

00:33:44.440 It was Abigail Spamberg called on Ralph Northam to resign.

00:33:49.240 But switch to today, no Democrat, not one, not a single Democrat has called on Jay Jones

00:33:56.400 to resign.

00:33:57.380 And you know why?

00:33:58.020 Because they lose attorney general if they call on Jay Jones to resign.

00:34:03.540 There's no decency there.

00:34:06.080 Why are they so focused on attorney general?

00:34:09.660 But, well, it's the chief law enforcement officer of the Commonwealth.

00:34:14.100 The attorney general has the right to sue or to join suits, to join these nationwide suits

00:34:20.000 against the Trump administration that everybody's wanting to go against.

00:34:23.260 That's one of their keys because that's what Jay Jones has said.

00:34:25.880 I'm going to be suing Donald Trump.

00:34:28.540 And that's what they want.

00:34:30.300 And that's why it's so important for them to have the attorney general's office.

00:34:34.440 But if you look at Jay Sumerres, you know, his mother escaped the communist Cuba.

00:34:39.340 He worked his way through college and law school.

00:34:42.500 Great guy.

00:34:43.200 Jay Sumerres served with him in the House.

00:34:45.740 He was in the House.

00:34:46.480 And he's just a great individual.

00:34:49.500 He's the Republican incumbent.

00:34:51.060 He's the Republican.

00:34:51.820 Attorney general.

00:34:52.200 Exactly.

00:34:52.860 So this conversation, this text exchange happened several years ago.

00:34:57.880 And when it happened, the Republican to whom he was texting, I don't have any idea what

00:35:03.320 that was about, but it happened, sent this exchange to the speaker who was being threatened

00:35:09.440 by Jay Jones, whose children being threatened by Jay Jones, did he tell anybody about it?

00:35:14.940 Did you hear about it then?

00:35:16.820 No, I didn't hear about it at that time.

00:35:18.680 I was majority leader at the time.

00:35:20.140 I didn't hear about it, to be perfectly honest.

00:35:22.900 I didn't know anything about it until the Friday that all this was released.

00:35:28.060 And no, I think Todd was just handling it, you know, in a way Todd normally handled things.

00:35:34.960 Todd's a great guy, good friend.

00:35:37.520 You know, his two little kids are just precious little kids, two little boys, you know, in

00:35:43.120 school now.

00:35:43.900 But at that time, they were around the general assembly all the time.

00:35:46.660 Everybody knew the Gilbert kids and Jay Jones would have known the Gilbert kids.

00:35:52.100 That's what's terrible about this whole situation.

00:35:55.320 It wasn't like, hey, I want to kill a kid who's from another country. 0.98

00:35:59.040 You would know this kid, these kids, because you run the general assembly.

00:36:03.480 That's horrifying.

00:36:04.760 So Todd got out, he got out, he's no longer serving, is that correct?

00:36:09.280 No, he's no longer serving.

00:36:11.080 He is now a Commonwealth attorney, assistant Commonwealth attorney in Page County.

00:36:16.440 I talked to him this past week just to check on him.

00:36:19.220 And the bad thing about it is now there has to be police presence where his kids are.

00:36:25.640 And that's what's because they still receive threats.

00:36:29.980 And that's what's bad about this whole ordeal.

00:36:33.680 So how is Jay Jones being treated?

00:36:36.040 I know no one's called for him to get out of the race, but this is again, I said at the 0.99

00:36:40.200 outset, there are lots of leaked, leaked text is an invasion of privacy.

00:36:43.660 So I'm generally against leaking texts.

00:36:45.340 I've been the victim of it.

00:36:46.960 I'm kind of sympathetic to people whose texts are leaked, but this is so unequivocal.

00:36:51.440 The guy, she says, are you sure you want to kill the kids?

00:36:54.380 Yes, I am. 0.99

00:36:55.320 This is so over the top.

00:36:56.640 How can this guy even have a job in Virginia of any kind?

00:37:00.540 Well, I mean, that that's a good point.

00:37:02.080 I mean, you know, this is this was terrible.

00:37:05.240 What the by him doubling down, as you said earlier, that just made it even worse.

00:37:10.580 You know, he didn't say, oh, no, I was just kidding.

00:37:13.400 Yeah, you know, but no, he doubled down.

00:37:16.820 She gave him an opportunity.

00:37:18.180 Kerry gave him an opportunity and he doubled down on that after she gave him the opportunity.

00:37:23.960 So he said what he said.

00:37:26.080 He meant what he said.

00:37:27.500 And I would just like for one Democrat to come out and say, hey, he should resign.

00:37:33.900 He does not need to be the chief law enforcement officer of the Commonwealth of Virginia.

00:37:37.620 How how long have you been in an elected office?

00:37:41.160 I've been in the House of Delegates, 32 years.

00:37:44.520 And before that, I was the Commonwealth attorney in Scott County for six years.

00:37:48.160 So I've been 38 years of my life.

00:37:50.680 I've been in the public.

00:37:52.740 And as you said, growing up in rural southwest Virginia, you know, first my brother and I,

00:37:58.800 first of our family to graduate from college and grew up in a blue collar family.

00:38:03.880 You know, we didn't have all these privileges that a lot of folks had.

00:38:07.280 So, you know, it's southwest Virginia and growing up from down there, you know, you have

00:38:14.220 certain values, you know, as you know, you're in the you're on the tail end of the Appalachian

00:38:19.000 Mountains up there.

00:38:19.920 So, you know how the values are in rural America.

00:38:23.300 They're different.

00:38:25.220 Yeah.

00:38:25.460 Well, I mean, when your dad goes to Princeton as a judge and you're claiming to be the victim

00:38:30.480 of racism when you went to the most, you know, expensive school, it does suggest a certain

00:38:37.760 kind of entitlement.

00:38:39.540 Does this give you the creeps a little bit that people you served with are dreaming about

00:38:46.360 killing kids?

00:38:47.020 I mean, it does. 0.64

00:38:49.360 It makes you think.

00:38:50.640 I've never had those dreams.

00:38:52.220 I've never had those thoughts.

00:38:53.460 I mean, why would you ever have thoughts like that unless you really, truly just hated someone?

00:38:58.740 You really, truly hated someone.

00:39:00.620 And this was all about gun control.

00:39:02.300 This was an argument we was having about, we were having about gun control in the General

00:39:06.420 Assembly.

00:39:06.740 And that's what some of these texts were related to.

00:39:12.980 So, you know, I'm not going to get mad over anything like that.

00:39:17.060 I don't care what the issue is.

00:39:18.840 I mean, would I be disappointed in certain votes?

00:39:21.560 Yes.

00:39:21.900 But would I get that far along where I'm threatening someone or their kids?

00:39:26.960 Absolutely not.

00:39:28.080 Common decency, Christian values are not going to let you go.

00:39:31.540 That shouldn't let you go that far.

00:39:33.280 What's the problem with Spanberger?

00:39:34.560 Why wouldn't she, I mean, she stared ahead like a robot, like some kind of creepy bot.

00:39:39.860 Like, what was that?

00:39:41.380 I mean, she looked like a deer. 0.99

00:39:42.980 And I like deer.

00:39:43.880 Come on.

00:39:44.200 I like deer.

00:39:45.280 She looked like a deer in the headlines. 0.96

00:39:47.260 I was just sitting there like, who in the world told her just to stare?

00:39:50.980 I mean, you know, if she won't answer for her kids that she wouldn't want her kids to be in this situation, is she going to protect your kids? 0.51

00:40:00.100 That's what I would be asking if I was doing some serious.

00:40:03.840 I say, if she won't protect her kids, is she really going to protect your kids?

00:40:08.000 And that's a no.

00:40:09.280 And what's going on with her soul?

00:40:11.180 I mean, I know she was a CIA officer, so that's already a fair question.

00:40:14.380 But I mean, how could someone like that be governor?

00:40:17.320 I mean, the polls are tightening.

00:40:21.560 We're seeing a big shift in Virginia.

00:40:24.060 We're watching the polls move our way.

00:40:26.840 And we just hope it's been, it's quick enough.

00:40:29.380 Of course, we got this early voting, you know, 45 days out, which was, I didn't vote for, which is crazy.

00:40:34.900 You know, it's too long because things do change, as, you know, as we were talking about here today.

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00:40:44.500 We hope that we, I think Meares has caught up and is ahead.

00:40:48.140 So that's some good news.

00:40:50.200 But, you know, we just need to keep pushing.

00:40:52.480 That's unbelievable.

00:40:53.640 Terry Kilgore, head Republican in the Virginia House.

00:40:56.700 Thank you very much for doing this.

00:40:58.560 Thank you.

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00:44:48.140 So the question is, is this a national trend?

00:44:52.000 You don't want to be paranoid.

00:44:53.060 You don't want to take, you know, one act of violence and extrapolate out and start slandering

00:44:57.620 half the country's population.

00:44:58.980 But there is a theme here.

00:45:00.740 It's unmistakable.

00:45:02.200 Steve Bannon is one of the deepest thinkers on the right, has noticed this, thought about

00:45:06.960 it, and joins us now.

00:45:08.380 Steve, thanks so much for doing this.

00:45:10.360 What do you, what do you, the Jay Jones thing seems, I'm hard to shock, but it does seem like

00:45:17.080 next, kind of a next level escalation.

00:45:21.180 It's definitely up the escalatory ladder, Tucker.

00:45:25.180 And as a native Virginian, it's pretty, it's pretty shocking that no one's, what's shocking

00:45:30.300 is not so much that he thought these horrible thoughts, which is bad enough, but that no

00:45:34.200 one's come out and condemned him.

00:45:36.400 It's been absolute silence.

00:45:38.040 And of course, the Democrat nominee, it's just a word salad.

00:45:44.760 She can't even explain it.

00:45:45.760 So it's, it shows you how radicalized the democratic parties become, but I think people

00:45:50.760 better get ready.

00:45:51.560 It's going to get a lot worse.

00:45:52.600 And I think that's because you saw the Supreme court today, the, the argument about, um, you

00:45:58.800 know, DEI districts.

00:46:00.520 You've seen this controversy over the mid decade, um, census.

00:46:06.300 Uh, you've seen the redistricting fight.

00:46:07.980 We could pick up 21.

00:46:08.920 If you add all that together, I think the times is saying on the, on the, on the DEI alone,

00:46:14.100 the racial imbalance, I think the times has us picking up 12 seats, political, 19 seats.

00:46:19.220 That does not include all the redistricting fights, which is another 21 gross seats there.

00:46:25.100 And you add in really doing a real census where illegal aliens are not counted.

00:46:29.400 They're never going to take back the house and the Senate.

00:46:32.400 And so you're only going to, what gets me is we're on an arc that they're only progressively

00:46:37.540 going to get more violent.

00:46:39.020 Uh, and you can see this in their worship of Mangini, the worship of this, uh, the alleged

00:46:45.320 assassin of, uh, of Charlie Kirk.

00:46:47.860 Uh, so I think it's going to get a lot worse.

00:46:52.140 Given that, and I hope you're wrong, but I sense you're not.

00:46:55.580 What do you make of Mike Lawler's, Congressman Mike Lawler's response and the governing board

00:47:02.640 of the National Young Republicans organization to these text messages, which I'm not endorsing, 0.93

00:47:06.820 by the way, but, you know, calling someone a retard or these kids should be destroyed. 0.89

00:47:13.000 Like, it's an, it's an interesting contrast that Republicans kind of are very quick to 0.98

00:47:18.440 shame their own.

00:47:21.340 They'll always fold.

00:47:23.420 Establishment Republicans will always fold on, as you know this, better than anybody in

00:47:28.220 any fight.

00:47:29.080 They're going to fold and they're going to try to be supplicants to the media.

00:47:34.520 They're going to be, try to be supplicants to the media, kind of chamber of commerce,

00:47:38.300 big donor attitude that we want to be invited to the parties.

00:47:41.640 We want to be in the club.

00:47:43.000 We want to have the New York times write nice things about us.

00:47:46.040 That's where we're heading towards a civil war.

00:47:50.000 I don't think there's any doubt.

00:47:51.180 We look to the indices out there and the, and the, these are unbridgeable divides right

00:47:55.960 now and getting deeper.

00:47:57.340 And the democratic party is getting more and more radical.

00:47:59.780 Look, everything we're dealing with right now is about illegal aliens. 0.97

00:48:03.260 Whether it's, they want to spend a trillion dollars on their healthcare, whether they're

00:48:07.320 demanding a census that counts them, uh, for congressional racism, for electoral

00:48:11.500 college, uh, whether it's the mass deportations that we're trying to get done in Portland,

00:48:16.700 Chicago, Los Angeles, everything's right.

00:48:19.360 If they don't have illegal aliens, if they don't have a foreign entity in here and folks 0.98

00:48:24.760 in here, they don't have a, there's no way for them to put together the votes.

00:48:29.240 They love democracy, but it's just the math doesn't work.

00:48:31.720 You saw the Supreme court today.

00:48:33.540 You see these redistricting fights and the redistricting fights are kind of like the kids

00:48:37.320 in this chat room.

00:48:38.180 If we had enough stones and urgency and maximalization strategy, the 21 would already be up on the

00:48:45.120 table, right?

00:48:46.020 We'd be now executing how you do it.

00:48:47.880 We have to do a whole fight about that.

00:48:50.140 So the establishment, because they come up in this paradigm where the established order

00:48:56.160 controls everything and they want to be part of the established order.

00:49:00.260 And we see that we got here, you know, we've gotten here over 40 or 50 years and we've

00:49:05.100 won enough times as Republicans, the house, the Senate, the presidency, the country's basically

00:49:11.320 on a cliff of an abyss.

00:49:12.900 And if it hadn't been for Trump with all his imperfections, the country be over.

00:49:17.740 So, um, it's just going to get worse.

00:49:20.300 We're going to always have like this thing in Kansas where they're going to throw, you 0.98

00:49:24.140 know, people under the bus immediately and cower and be supplicants and ask for forgiveness

00:49:28.360 for people who are not worthy of us asking for forgiveness.

00:49:33.360 And, uh, the fight is going to get more intense.

00:49:36.200 The left is going to get more radical.

00:49:38.100 They're going to go up more of the escalatory ladder.

00:49:40.320 Look, man, Jeannie's a hero to them.

00:49:42.460 You got to face, and, and, and, uh, and Mondami, he he's a Marxist jihadist.

00:49:48.100 That's going to win.

00:49:48.980 I don't know, by 15 points or so in New York city, Sadiq Khan, everything they have is even

00:49:54.840 more radical than you can anticipate.

00:49:56.480 It's getting worse every day.

00:49:59.200 Um, they're not being reasonable.

00:50:00.560 There's nothing, and it's really nothing to debate.

00:50:02.280 We have this chasm.

00:50:03.980 And to me, it's the problem.

00:50:06.300 The issue I have is that the Trump administration is in Pam body and the, and the crew are not

00:50:11.960 moving quickly enough.

00:50:13.260 They had a thing today in the oval, which was great about stopping, you know, violence

00:50:16.980 in the streets.

00:50:17.400 That's great.

00:50:18.000 And I appreciate that, but we have to focus on the deep state.

00:50:21.080 We have to focus on taking this apparatus.

00:50:23.300 We only have a short window of time, I think, to be able to do this.

00:50:27.580 And we're not prioritizing it.

00:50:29.080 And we're not hiring enough U S attorneys to focus on it.

00:50:31.500 And we're not getting that.

00:50:32.300 If we don't get that done, these statistics we're putting out and the great job at cash

00:50:36.080 and people and Dan Bonner doing about arresting bad guys is not going to matter because you're

00:50:39.980 going to have more bad guys later invited, invited back in by these people.

00:50:43.980 So now it's time to, I think, maximize our own strategy, seize the institutions and move

00:50:50.020 with a sense of urgency.

00:50:51.760 Can you give a couple examples of what you think DOJ should be doing right now?

00:50:57.920 Well, first of all, I think DOJ, we've got attorneys.

00:51:00.020 I think we've got to go back to the beginning.

00:51:01.500 You have to go back to the, you have to go back to the election.

00:51:04.540 You have to go back to January 6th.

00:51:06.120 Look at Nancy Pelosi. 0.76

00:51:07.180 There's a young reporter, Alison Steinberg over at Lindell TV.

00:51:11.820 She asked Nancy Pelosi a question today about January 6th, about the national guard.

00:51:16.120 And Nancy Pelosi turned around, screamed at her from a few feet away. 0.99

00:51:18.920 Shut up. 0.99

00:51:19.980 How can you ask that? 1.00

00:51:21.080 They're so sensitive about January 6th.

00:51:23.020 So you've got to go back to the stolen election of 2020.

00:51:25.180 You've got to go back to January 6th.

00:51:27.320 You have to take the whole continuum.

00:51:28.540 You have to go back to the initial, the whole thing on, on crossfire hurricane.

00:51:33.460 You have to put the, you have to adjudicate everything they did and we have to do it in public,

00:51:37.700 even throwing the pandemic in there and the response, the summer of love,

00:51:40.960 all of it.

00:51:42.540 We, if to keep this Republic and keep it as a constitutional Republic, we have to be fair

00:51:47.360 about this.

00:51:48.200 We have to be transparent about it.

00:51:50.080 We have to adjudicate it by the rule of law, but it has to be done.

00:51:54.280 And you see, we're making a surprise.

00:51:55.720 You got Comey with a couple of charges on appetizer, John Bolton, you know, maybe with

00:52:01.120 a couple of Tisha James, but it's not good enough and it's not fast enough.

00:52:04.480 And the only way we're going to solve this is U.S. 0.78

00:52:07.300 attorneys.

00:52:07.620 I think we're 25 or 30 short is what I'm hearing.

00:52:10.520 There's just some sort of backlog and you can't, you can't depend on a Halligan coming 1.00

00:52:15.360 out of nowhere and being able to drop a couple right away.

00:52:18.480 We have to take apart the deep state.

00:52:22.660 We have to do it now in every aspect that's happened over the last couple of years.

00:52:25.740 You know, Charlie's, I know you were at the student action summit down at Tampa and normally,

00:52:31.560 you know me, I'm running out there, we're at war.

00:52:33.220 And I'm dropping the mic and running around like a madman.

00:52:35.400 I told Charlie before, I said, this is going to be very different.

00:52:38.200 I said, I'm going to go out with what I call the Tampa resolves.

00:52:41.140 And it is, we have to prioritize everything else we're working on.

00:52:45.400 It has to be to go after the deep state.

00:52:47.420 That combination of national security, intelligence, law enforcement, the Pentagon, its interconnections

00:52:54.580 with Wall Street and big tech, that we have to do that.

00:52:58.280 If we don't go after that and do it now with a sense of urgency, we're never going to have

00:53:03.200 another shot.

00:53:03.820 This is the time we have to do it.

00:53:05.140 We have to make it a priority.

00:53:06.200 And I said, you're going to find out something.

00:53:07.800 And it's the third resolve I said was, no, do it now, do it with urgency.

00:53:11.860 And the third was, who's ever not with us is against us.

00:53:16.880 This is the best way we can unmask everybody.

00:53:19.500 Because this is not going to be pleasant.

00:53:21.500 It's not going to be easy.

00:53:23.200 You and I are called, you're called more names than I am.

00:53:25.700 But we're both, you know, by the Tel Aviv Levin crowd, we're called everything, right?

00:53:30.580 They're going to do more of that because the deep state is also connected with certain of

00:53:35.160 our allies.

00:53:36.280 You have to go do this and you have to do it.

00:53:38.560 It's not going to be pleasant.

00:53:39.420 You're going to get thrown out of your country club, maybe.

00:53:43.380 But if you're going to save the republic, we have to do this now.

00:53:46.440 And a part of that, you're going to see if you do that, the political, the escalating

00:53:51.500 political violence of the more and more radical left and quite frankly, more and more of the

00:53:55.960 central apparatus of the Democratic Party is going to be gutted.

00:53:59.800 And that's why I think, you know, President Trump, I know, wants to focus.

00:54:03.060 Todd Blanche talked about today in the Oval Office.

00:54:05.640 It has to happen.

00:54:06.600 And it's only going to happen, I think, if people like you and myself and some others

00:54:10.560 keep saying, hey, guys, I understand you got a thousand things you're working on, but

00:54:14.740 we have to start to rank order priorities.

00:54:18.120 And this has to be the priority right now for President Trump.

00:54:21.500 I mean, there are so many places you could start, but it seems obvious that you would

00:54:25.840 start with the FBI.

00:54:27.060 And we now know it's confirmed that there were hundreds of plainclothes FBI agents in

00:54:32.720 the crowd on January 6th.

00:54:34.620 So that changes.

00:54:35.980 That's not crowd control.

00:54:37.300 That's that's political subversion.

00:54:39.880 And it kind of confirms what a lot of people have been saying for a number of years now,

00:54:45.300 that there was a fake element that there are a lot of sincere people protesting what they

00:54:50.060 thought was the theft of the election.

00:54:51.180 But there were also clearly agitators in the crowd.

00:54:55.400 It was a setup to some extent, obviously, hundreds of plainclothes FBI agents.

00:55:00.720 And, you know, I almost got fired for saying that a couple of years ago was obvious to me.

00:55:04.720 But now we know it's true.

00:55:05.580 In fact, it's worse than we thought it was.

00:55:06.900 How many FBI officials have been fired for that?

00:55:12.560 No, I mean, you continue to ask how many have been let go.

00:55:15.500 I think a handful.

00:55:17.280 I don't know.

00:55:18.080 It hasn't been enough to register with any type of headcount that OMB is doing or budget.

00:55:26.760 The budget increase.

00:55:27.540 Look, I love Cash and I love Dan Bagino.

00:55:29.820 Cash is like a brother to me.

00:55:31.440 But there are two guys hanging on by their fingernails.

00:55:35.240 The same with Pam and Todd.

00:55:37.500 This is why I say the official inside the U.S.

00:55:39.460 attorney, the main justice, you need about another 25 or 30 of these prosecutors.

00:55:43.420 You've got to get on with it.

00:55:44.780 The FBI, look, I for a long time have said, I think we've got to bifurcate.

00:55:49.440 It's too big, too complicated, covers too much stuff.

00:55:51.760 Like the counterterrorism, you've got to bifurcate it.

00:55:54.400 I think you put the counterterrorism, first off, you downsize it and you put it in the intelligence

00:55:59.020 part over DHS and you have a reorganization of that.

00:56:02.340 This is law enforcement.

00:56:03.460 I'll be tied to U.S. attorneys.

00:56:04.680 We ought to have a much smaller federal police force, which this is.

00:56:09.000 It ought to have a much tighter mandate.

00:56:11.060 We have to have much more control because, look, the scandal of the FBI is twofold.

00:56:15.120 Number one is what they did and the mentality and the organizing principles inside the FBI

00:56:21.440 that made it that you would do it.

00:56:24.640 And it was career enhancing to do it.

00:56:26.020 In fact, you would not think of not doing it.

00:56:27.920 The whistleblowers were a handful.

00:56:29.120 I mean, I'd sit on the worm every day and say, hey, look, you're not going to be able

00:56:32.920 to use the SS excuse that, hey, I was just following orders.

00:56:37.400 We've only had a handful of whistleblowers.

00:56:40.220 And we know from the other day of even getting this information you're talking about and others

00:56:44.100 talking about came from.

00:56:45.220 It's not that Dan and Cash admit we don't control it.

00:56:49.220 We didn't get the information.

00:56:50.160 This came through a whistleblower.

00:56:51.200 This came through some person that was afraid of getting wrapped up in this.

00:56:55.000 But the FBI, to me, should be downsized by two thirds.

00:56:58.840 First off, by splitting it up and then going through.

00:57:00.960 Because remember, the second part of the scandal, and maybe the more important, is that Ray

00:57:05.900 bald-faced lied to people for years and years and years.

00:57:10.040 And the oversight, it just kind of went over the oversight.

00:57:12.260 If we hadn't won and come back from nowhere, because they never thought we were coming back,

00:57:16.780 right, that's one of the reasons they were so blatant, we wouldn't know any of this today

00:57:19.900 because Congress didn't perform its functions.

00:57:21.840 And I might add that this was a Republican administration.

00:57:26.200 It was President Trump's administration.

00:57:27.620 And we can kind of control for a moment the apparatus of which they lied to us.

00:57:32.540 And there was no follow-up on the oversight.

00:57:34.120 It's just, OK, so Ray was able to kind of worm out of it.

00:57:37.340 It's so deep, it requires to me a—you have to go with a trenching tool and dig them out.

00:57:43.700 And we've got to have cash in Dan's back to do that.

00:57:46.740 We're not doing it right now.

00:57:47.960 And you can't depend upon just a random whistleblower to have an active conscience, right?

00:57:53.760 You can't depend upon the kindness of others.

00:57:55.540 We have to do this.

00:57:56.540 And it's going to be unpleasant. 0.97

00:57:57.580 And the New York Times is going to say you're a bunch of fascists. 0.98

00:57:59.980 And the New Yorker is going to say terrible things about you. 0.98

00:58:02.760 But, hey, who cares?

00:58:04.000 We're trying to save our country right now.

00:58:05.440 And now we've won everything.

00:58:06.880 If we don't take advantage of every freaking moment because we're burning daylight, this is going to pass.

00:58:13.620 There's going to be all kind of other issues come up.

00:58:15.380 And we're just going to go, OK, let's go have another election.

00:58:17.520 It's not enough.

00:58:18.920 We've already wasted months and months and months in this Iran-Qatar insanity, you know, totally unrelated to the United States. 0.99

00:58:26.160 Insanity.

00:58:27.100 But also you sort of wonder, like, what's the cost?

00:58:30.340 Not just the financial cost, but the cost in attention and priority.

00:58:34.120 The opportunity cost.

00:58:35.320 Huge.

00:58:35.600 What is this impulse you've been in Republican politics really at the center of it for so long where Republicans seem to spend most of their time policing, the leaders policing their members and their voters?

00:58:49.220 Like, what is that?

00:58:50.600 It's the abused spouse syndrome or whatever.

00:58:54.380 By the way, the policing is immediate and constant, right?

00:58:59.080 And almost like Cromwell.

00:59:01.300 I mean, the policing is immediate.

00:59:04.340 And there's no discussion about how this happened or whatever.

00:59:06.960 But for the left, you let them get away with the most egregious crime.

00:59:10.080 And they know that.

00:59:11.320 They know that institutionally the party is weak.

00:59:16.220 Because the party is, one, not a party of government, obviously, of individuals, but it's attracted, and you know this better than anybody, just people who kind of want to get along, who want to have people not say bad things about them, you know.

00:59:31.580 And the way to do that is just to go along.

00:59:33.460 And if we can make some changes on the margin, it would work.

00:59:36.520 If that strategy worked, the country wouldn't be on the edge of the abyss.

00:59:42.840 Even with Trump, we are on the edge of the abyss.

00:59:46.220 And people, and many people waking up to it, the MAGA base knows it.

00:59:49.520 They got the pitchforks.

00:59:50.460 They're ready to roll.

00:59:51.500 In fact, every day when I do the show, they're blowing me up of, hey, why are we not doing more about the deep state?

00:59:56.180 Why are we not naming names?

00:59:57.260 Why are people out there?

00:59:57.940 Which is great.

00:59:58.540 So we have a voting base of blue-collar and middle-class people who are saying, we've had a belly full of this, and we want action, right?

01:00:07.280 And you have still a political apparatus that continues to say, because even Dan Bongino, those guys are police.

01:00:13.520 Look when our people go up to Capitol Hill.

01:00:16.140 They get as tough a grilling by the Republicans oftentimes as they do the Democrats.

01:00:21.080 The Democrats are still over the top.

01:00:22.880 It's insane.

01:00:23.280 But there's still the correction police, the be politically correct is still there and still the mentality of it.

01:00:32.000 The only way we're going to do that is to just take action and get some scalps.

01:00:37.960 And that's why I think you're starting to see through some of these indictments, maybe Bolton, but it's not enough, and you're not getting to the central apparatus part, which we have to get to.

01:00:46.960 I mean, a lot of the political consultants at the highest level Republican political consultants seem very consumed with knocking off Marjorie Taylor Greene or Thomas Massey.

01:00:59.660 You don't have to agree with everything those people are calling for, but you can't say they're liberal.

01:01:05.460 They're not liberal.

01:01:06.180 I mean, Massey's kind of a libertarian, but he's a lot more conservative than, I don't know, Lindsey Graham or Michael Lawler by any measure.

01:01:12.740 And yet they seem like they're spending 80% of their day trying to find a primary challenger for Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:01:20.260 Like, what is that?

01:01:21.820 Is that, I mean, it almost seems like subversion to me.

01:01:25.960 They're so, look, they're so tied to the Israel first money. 0.67

01:01:30.920 This is what's, they're trying to crush Massey out in, and Massey's not perfect, right?

01:01:35.460 So MTG, I'm very close to MTG.

01:01:37.800 She's not perfect.

01:01:38.640 You know, she flipped and went with McCarthy, but she's a firebrand, and she's a fighter, and when a fight counts, she's going to be there with you. 0.90

01:01:44.660 Well, and they're both sincere.

01:01:46.000 That's the thing.

01:01:46.740 Yes.

01:01:47.660 That's, look, I don't agree with everything.

01:01:49.120 I do agree with everything Marjorie says, but I don't agree with everything Massey says, but he's totally sincere.

01:01:53.800 He's not getting paid to say these things.

01:01:55.900 He means it, and isn't that who you want on your side?

01:02:00.140 Here's, well, they don't.

01:02:01.740 Look, Luntz and these guys, remember, if you look back up at Capitol Hill, and I know you know the math here, we only have a handful of MAGA people, right?

01:02:09.940 If you look in the Senate, we've got maybe Eric Schmidt, maybe Josh Hawley, both from Missouri.

01:02:15.100 In the House, we've got a handful.

01:02:17.160 We've got a handful.

01:02:18.640 Because they look at Trump as a passing summer storm.

01:02:22.700 It could be bad, but it's going to pass.

01:02:24.900 And this is why I'm saying we have to have a sense of urgency.

01:02:27.720 We're burning daylight.

01:02:28.640 They just hope to tap President Trump along.

01:02:31.060 And they'll get to the midterms, and then, you know, 2028, and they'll just, you know, Ted Cruz already had a big article in the Daily Telegraph.

01:02:39.640 He's already putting his team together.

01:02:41.140 I know it's totally random.

01:02:43.000 It's totally random from your interview and that Israel First has to have a candidate since they just got crushed here in the last couple of days.

01:02:52.560 But it is because certain vested interests want people to kind of toe to a line, right?

01:02:59.940 And if you fall outside that, they're going to come after you.

01:03:02.860 And I think that's why it behooves us.

01:03:06.220 Look, Fox just had the first interview, I think, with Mount Dominic, right?

01:03:11.060 He gets on there, six minutes.

01:03:13.860 They've got a big debate tomorrow night.

01:03:15.480 The only question was about Gaza and Israel.

01:03:19.820 They're asking this guy.

01:03:20.920 With everything else going on and, quite frankly, how he's a Marxist-Shihadist, but he has kind of taken populism and, you know, talked about affordability.

01:03:28.740 You think you might want to get in back of the Working Families Party and DSA and how they replicate the Trump, you know, turning point, war room, precinct strategy for ground game for low information, low propensity voters.

01:03:42.100 And this is why they're blowing guys out, because they had no money at first against Cuomo.

01:03:45.600 Now, we're not going to talk about that.

01:03:46.900 We're going to talk about arresting Bibi Netanyahu.

01:03:50.180 You haven't given Trump credit.

01:03:51.900 And what do you think about the Gaza piece?

01:03:53.540 Literally five minutes, the first interview, five minutes, all about Israel.

01:03:57.540 This is just this obsession with it.

01:04:01.020 And when I gave that keynote speech to kind of wrap up the National Conservatism Conference, which has kind of got a strong neocon, you know, take on it, I said, to quote T.E. Lawrence from The Seven Pillars of Wisdom, what they told him at the time when he showed up at Cairo's military headquarters, they said, look, the Middle East is a sideshow to the main event, the Western Front.

01:04:24.080 And the Arab revolt is a sideshow to a sideshow. 0.87

01:04:27.560 And I said, the Middle East right now for us, with everything geopolitically going on in the economic war, China, and our nation sliding toward a civil war around insurrection with a party like the Democrats have an escalatory ladder of violence.

01:04:42.360 The Middle East is a sideshow, and the Israel issue is a sideshow to a sideshow. 0.93

01:04:47.800 That's full stop.

01:04:49.120 And you can't let it be the central thing that you revolve around.

01:04:53.720 And I'm a supporter of Israel, and I'm a supporter of the Jewish people.

01:04:57.040 But the Israel-first aspect of this has taken our eyes so far off the ball because they kept saying it's going to tear MAGRA apart.

01:05:03.860 It's not going to tear MAGRA apart because it's not a big enough fundamental issue to tear us apart.

01:05:08.840 And that's why we have to focus on the time that we have to really take down the central thing that President Trump will be known for.

01:05:15.960 One will be some of this piece on the Eurasian landmass, et cetera.

01:05:19.740 But the central thing, if he can accomplish it, and we must accomplish it on his tour of duty, is the deconstruction of the administrative state and the destruction of the deep state.

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01:08:51.980 What are the midterms going to look like, do you think?

01:08:54.760 Well, if we get the redistricting things, and I think Mike Davis was on the show earlier, and of course the left is melting down this afternoon after the Supreme Court debates, or the Supreme Court today on the DEI congressional gerrymandering districts.

01:09:15.940 If we get a win there, and we do the redistricting that is only fair to the American people, if we get those, you could add another, you know, 10 or 15, maybe 20 net seats.

01:09:27.740 It'll be quite hard to overcome.

01:09:29.880 We can't, if we allow Hakeem Jeffries, the guys, either steal seats or win seats, and they take over the House, people have to understand, the whole Trump revolution comes to a full stop.

01:09:41.120 They will be subpoenas flying the first day.

01:09:43.060 Trump will be impeached in the first three weeks.

01:09:45.180 Not that he'll be removed from office, but they'll go through the whole rigmarole.

01:09:49.300 You're going to have subpoenas flying everywhere.

01:09:51.180 The whole fight every day will be trench warfare against Hakeem Jeffries and these guys to keep our revolutionary movement going to basically return ourselves to a constitutional republic.

01:10:02.400 That's the stakes of these midterms.

01:10:04.460 And that's why I say every person, every governor, and a lot of these governors are not working with us because guess what?

01:10:10.700 They don't, it's like Cox in Utah.

01:10:12.920 You know, was it Pilsen in Nebraska?

01:10:14.540 They don't want to upset the apple cart.

01:10:16.800 They don't want to have people say bad things about them.

01:10:18.600 So if we get the redistrictings done that are out there to do, and you have a ruling from the Supreme Court that talks about, you know, these are net, I think, times I said 12 and Politico 19.

01:10:30.880 It's a steep hill for Jeffries to overcome.

01:10:35.980 And I think this is a danger also for the country.

01:10:38.480 I think as they see that the democratic process is not going to work for them, that basically the dynamics and demographics of the country, also a revival of, I think, religious – because I think this young generation, 18 to 30s, particularly the men, are the most based generation we've ever had.

01:10:55.000 That if this keeps coming, they're not going to be a win at the ballot box.

01:11:00.160 And so they will go to – you know, in a twist on Clausewitz, they will go to violence of other means politically when the political process and the democracy doesn't work.

01:11:13.360 Because remember, the people that beat the drum of democracy were the Bolsheviks back in 17. 0.89

01:11:17.700 The left uses the same type of language, and people should understand.

01:11:21.060 When they understand that the electoral college has moved away from them, that the House has moved away from them for the legitimate and fair demographics and shifts in the nation, they're going to get more violent, they're going to get more angry, and they're going to get more dangerous.

01:11:37.620 So we have institutions to deal with civil unrest, of course, and one of them is the FBI.

01:11:45.460 And so it seems like it would be a matter of self-preservation.

01:11:49.320 If you're on the side of the Constitution and Heritage America and just like normal people, you would want an institutional law enforcement agency that could keep riots from metastasizing into civil war.

01:12:00.780 So you'd want to make sure the FBI was on the side of the Constitution, no?

01:12:04.620 Like immediately.

01:12:05.160 You would, but I think they're – this is what I'm saying.

01:12:08.440 You have an institutional problem.

01:12:10.100 They're just not a personnel problem.

01:12:12.120 It's just not a Comey or a Ray.

01:12:13.580 Right, right.

01:12:13.900 There's a deep – there's a deep rot.

01:12:15.780 And why?

01:12:17.000 Because remember, the traditional Catholics they went after, that's my parish, and my parents were blue-collar people, started a little traditional Latin Mass parish as a spinoff from the Benedictine Abbey back in the late 70s.

01:12:30.640 And these are the people that have eight and nine kids.

01:12:33.720 A couple of people – the kids go in the Marines or the Navy.

01:12:36.600 It's just the salt of the earth.

01:12:38.720 They have no money.

01:12:40.640 It's blue-collar.

01:12:42.000 That's the parish they focused on to make this thing over the entire country, that this is where extremism is.

01:12:48.900 And you can't have a more Americana place than this.

01:12:51.500 It's the institution that's rotted.

01:12:53.460 When I was in Danbury prison, some of the most remarkable men I've ever met are these men that are in prison for five, six, seven, eight years for praying the rosary outside of an abortion clinic.

01:13:05.620 That's all they did.

01:13:06.420 They go to prison, and of course they have women that are grandmothers in the other prisons.

01:13:10.600 If you look across the board, the FBI, if we think it lost its way under Hoover, and we think institutionally it drifted and even in 9-11, it's just had a terrible track record.

01:13:21.300 There is a deep rot in there that's quite frankly anti-American.

01:13:27.100 So now when really America, you're right, would need it as an institution most, you actually have to go in and institutionally take this thing apart, I think bifurcate it, get the two law enforcement and counterintelligence and intel out of there, and then deal with the law enforcement.

01:13:43.040 But still, layer by layer, you have to take it apart.

01:13:46.180 You have to bring in a new generation of FBI agents, train them up, almost start like Hoover, start it over again, think it through, and then go.

01:13:56.200 Otherwise, you're just putting a Band-Aid on a shotgun wound, and it's not going to work.

01:14:01.160 And I think that that's the mentality.

01:14:02.660 On Capitol Hill, you can see this.

01:14:04.120 There's no budget cuts coming from this.

01:14:06.720 There's no getting the director up there and raking them over the coals about how many personnel have you let go.

01:14:11.760 Let me see the internal reports.

01:14:13.000 We're finding these things out every couple of days from whistleblowers who are getting nervous they may get wrapped up in an investigation, but that's not good enough.

01:14:20.420 That's not systemically going through this.

01:14:23.440 Whose fault is that?

01:14:25.980 I think it's –

01:14:27.880 Wait, where's Mike Johnson?

01:14:30.400 Where's the Speaker of the House in this?

01:14:32.400 No, he's the epitome of what you talk about law.

01:14:34.900 He's the personification of we wouldn't have been in this shape with all the elections we won, right?

01:14:42.620 Both at the presidential level, House Senate.

01:14:44.560 We wouldn't have been in this shape if you had men and women of courage and basically saying, I don't care what they say about me.

01:14:52.380 I don't care if I'm here for two terms or 20 terms.

01:14:54.760 I'm going to get to the heart of this.

01:14:56.120 He's a go-along-to-get-along guy, obviously.

01:14:58.320 And that's the institutional mindset over there.

01:15:01.660 It's kind of a faceless crowd.

01:15:03.420 That's why the Marjorie Taylor Greene's stick out, right?

01:15:07.200 This is why certain people kind of stick out because they are fire breathers, the Matt Gaetzes of the world.

01:15:11.760 If you're a fire breather, you stick out and they want to hammer you down, right?

01:15:16.140 They want to throw you under the bus.

01:15:17.380 So I think that institution has to be changed.

01:15:20.880 But I think we've got to go after the executive branch institution because we're not going to have a lot of time.

01:15:25.380 And we're going to meet tremendous resistance on this.

01:15:27.720 The deeper one, the FBI is bad as the FBI is, which is terrible.

01:15:31.780 When you look at the intelligence apparatus and the national security part with the Pentagon, because remember, why did we just have a huge win in basically breaking the back of the Israel First people? 0.98

01:15:44.420 Because about the Iran-Depersion situation, right? 0.99

01:15:48.500 And we now know from the times of Israel, right, not from the Tucker Carlson show and not from War Room, not from Breitbart,

01:15:55.440 you now know that the War Cabinet's minutes and debate was about a two-year stretch for this nuclear program to really be of danger or kick in.

01:16:05.360 Two years, of which we said all the time, not two days, not two weeks.

01:16:09.360 Yet the CIA, and I say Radcliffe's a guy we ought to bring up and have him testify in front of Congress and grill him.

01:16:15.640 How did he give the president totally different information than Tulsi Gabbard and her team who turned out to be right?

01:16:22.880 And remember, we went for two months, and Tulsi Gabbard was thrown under the bus every day.

01:16:27.400 There was a horrible article about her.

01:16:29.320 She's not a team player. 1.00

01:16:30.320 She's incompetent. 1.00

01:16:31.080 She's overhead.

01:16:32.020 And she got a little bit ostracized there for a minute until people realized, hello, she actually did an aggregate of all the different 17 branches, and she was right.

01:16:44.420 There was no change from her original testimony.

01:16:46.480 It was about two years away or thereabouts, according to the War Cabinet of the Israeli government, the Netanyahu government.

01:16:55.960 And it kind of comports to when Brett Baer pressed him up that Sunday night, was saying, hey, why was this so urgent the other day?

01:17:02.340 And he said, well, you know, we're six months to a year away.

01:17:05.780 That's another bald-faced lie.

01:17:07.020 It's two years.

01:17:07.600 He just debated this the other night.

01:17:08.980 That effort shows us that we have a massive problem in the intelligence apparatus, and that, to me, should be as high a priority as the FBI.

01:17:19.720 You have to do them both.

01:17:21.040 You have to do them now.

01:17:22.320 You have to put a team together to go do it, and the people you put together have to be incredibly tough and incredibly focused.

01:17:28.440 But that's why I think I've been arguing for a special prosecutor for this entire kind of deep state, or at least the conspiracy against Trump in the first term and rolling over to the second term of Clapper and Brennan and all these guys.

01:17:42.240 So I think you either do it that way or internally, if you can do it but hire more U.S. attorneys, cut the FBI down by at least a third immediately, even if you have to give up some things you're working on.

01:17:55.600 Because I think right now that people are saying, hey, look, it's great with the crime thing you did today, Cash, I feel better.

01:18:01.580 But you know what?

01:18:02.460 President Trump's committed to put troops into the cities, and he should if we have to shut this crime down.

01:18:07.800 So let's just start taking the FBI apart.

01:18:10.400 I don't think any one person is to blame.

01:18:13.220 I think it is that there's so much going on.

01:18:15.940 They're so overwhelmed on other topics.

01:18:17.680 We just need to kind of triage this and say, okay, guys, let's think about the end game here.

01:18:23.260 Let's go three years down range.

01:18:26.220 Where do we want to be on these institutions and kind of work back to that to the day?

01:18:31.020 I think you can get great people in there to do it.

01:18:34.260 So you said you think that violence could be coming or is coming, moving towards some kind of national split.

01:18:39.760 There's always a flashpoint that kicks off.

01:18:42.180 Usually it's manufactured.

01:18:43.820 The death of George Floyd, for example.

01:18:46.380 But when that happens, it comes out of nowhere.

01:18:49.180 No one's prepared for it.

01:18:51.060 And Republicans in general, Republican leaders miss what it is.

01:18:58.120 Nikki Haley on the first day of the George Floyd riots cheered on the riots.

01:19:03.520 Many Republicans in Washington reacted to January 6th like it was an actual insurrection.

01:19:09.820 Like they go along with the lie.

01:19:12.860 And that has huge downstream effects.

01:19:16.780 Will that happen again whenever that flashpoint comes?

01:19:20.160 Certainly.

01:19:20.940 No doubt.

01:19:21.800 Because these are not courageous people.

01:19:23.800 They would rather be supplicants and have approval in the architecture of approval.

01:19:31.780 They would rather go to the side that's going to pat on their head.

01:19:35.060 Here's what I tell people.

01:19:36.240 I gave this talk at Semaphore's, you know, their little Davos they do in the spring when Ben Smith invited me to talk at kind of one of the guys that wrapped it up.

01:19:47.420 And I said, look, you may not like the populist policies I put for economics.

01:19:52.120 You may not like the fact that I push to have a tax increase for the wealthy, right?

01:19:58.360 Because I just do the math and something's going to have to give here.

01:20:01.080 We're just not going to grow our way out of it.

01:20:02.700 But I said, you're going to have a choice.

01:20:04.180 Your choice is Mangini, right?

01:20:09.020 Or really populist nationalism.

01:20:12.660 Because this, and this was before Mondami, so now they've got to count two.

01:20:17.480 But the hero worship of that guy, the hero worship of the alleged assassin, and I'm not even sure, I haven't seen enough to believe he's the assassin.

01:20:27.800 I think it's a much deeper conspiracy.

01:20:30.060 But the hero worship by the radicals on the left, particularly the most radical, which may be these trannies, right? 1.00

01:20:38.660 They're now basically very disturbed men and very manipulative men.

01:20:42.640 That's who most of them are, right?

01:20:44.420 Who are now down on this and want it to be a gunfight.

01:20:48.180 I said, you should watch online and you should watch how they're kind of turned into heroes if you want to see where this thing's going to go.

01:20:56.760 Because it's not going to, with Reddit and these other chat rooms, it's only getting darker.

01:21:01.920 And the more they lose, and particularly the more that they see that structurally the country's changed.

01:21:07.640 And finally, with Trump and others, you've had people that will call that out.

01:21:11.080 The Supreme Court will move on it.

01:21:13.280 People will do these redistrictings that institutionally we will start to at least make some movement there.

01:21:18.360 When they see that it's impossible to take back the House or to take back the Senate.

01:21:23.280 So in Electoral College, I think it's going to be very, very difficult.

01:21:26.940 But even if they take that, we would structurally have the House and Senate as a check and start to do the deconstruction of the ministry of the state with Russ Vogt and the team.

01:21:35.520 They're going to get more violent.

01:21:37.020 They're not going to get more – they're not going to embrace some sort of Martin Luther King or Gandhi, you know, the underlying philosophy and ethics of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

01:21:49.620 They're not going to go – it's not going to be the Beatitudes.

01:21:52.200 They're going to get more dangerous, and you can see this, how they're getting egged on by MSNBC, how they're getting egged on by the corporate media on the left.

01:22:02.600 And so that's why I think we're going to a very dark place.

01:22:05.860 But when you go through hell, let's go through as quickly as possible.

01:22:09.540 And I think we have to stand and face it today so our kids and grandkids don't have to do it.

01:22:14.000 So how should people prepare for that personally, people who have no control over Supreme Court decisions or electoral maps?

01:22:22.200 Like a family, how do you prepare for what you think is imminent?

01:22:26.840 Well, I think, first of all, a family ought to be in your daily life.

01:22:30.760 Like one of our sponsors is My Patriot Supply.

01:22:34.060 Ten years ago, that was looked like as wing nuts, right? 0.98

01:22:37.060 It's a tinfoil hat.

01:22:38.540 It's not a tinfoil hat.

01:22:39.640 You look what's happening to the grid.

01:22:40.940 You look at what's going to happen to these data centers, even the water use of data centers.

01:22:45.000 Number one, as a family unit, I think you ought to get to know each other very well and spend time in each other's life.

01:22:53.360 You ought to have set readings and try to do the underpinnings of our culture more and more and more to really nurture the unit of the family.

01:23:01.960 But number two, I think you've got to get ready.

01:23:03.900 You have to think through, not to be paranoid, but to say, look, in modernity, there's going to be a lot of risk.

01:23:11.980 How is we as a unit rationally mitigate that risk?

01:23:15.000 How do we mitigate the risk to our family, to our food supply, to electricity, to our phones and communications?

01:23:21.800 Let's just go through and maybe assign a great task for a 12-year-old.

01:23:25.600 Hey, think this through for us.

01:23:26.640 So assign all the risk out there for the family without being paranoid and go through a risk mitigation exercise.

01:23:33.820 And to leave that thought is the reason I make everybody comes to work for me watch 12 O'Clock High.

01:23:41.300 It's a movie made in the 1940s.

01:23:43.180 The only there's only two films shown at Harvard Business School.

01:23:45.860 And they show this film about organizational behavior and how you change an organization to make it excellent.

01:23:52.060 Right.

01:23:52.460 And you just know that this family unit, we're going to survive and we're going to thrive.

01:23:58.340 But we're going to do this right.

01:23:59.640 And I think if you just start doing that every day and make it part, you know, just doing reps like you do in football, make it part of the natural reflex of your family, your family unit.

01:24:07.500 And you take leadership in the family, no matter if you're the husband, the wife, the kids, you take leadership in that.

01:24:13.600 We're going to be fine.

01:24:14.460 I think, by the way, I feel actually very good.

01:24:17.860 And one of the reasons I look at this younger generation, particularly men, don't want to downplay women, but the college educated women are so far gone, right, by and large, the left.

01:24:28.660 But if you look at this young generation of men, 18 to 30, they're the most based generation I think we've ever had.

01:24:36.000 And they're coming either with fathers or uncles or older brothers that volunteered for these endless wars and really fought every bit as great as Revolutionary War, the Civil War, World War I, World II, as volunteers in a thankless effort that you might add was pointless too.

01:24:55.740 And I think that that, the strength of that, coupled with this kind of base and the return to, I think you're seeing a return to not just Christian values and reading the Bible, but an interest in the underpinnings of philosophy and theology for the West.

01:25:12.400 They want to know more about Western culture.

01:25:14.200 They want to know why modernity has outlawed America, you know, basically traditional culture.

01:25:19.880 This is, you know, I consider myself a populist nationalist traditionalist. 0.99

01:25:22.960 I don't call myself a conservative, haven't for years, because I think the conservatives are just, they've just acted like pussies. 0.99

01:25:29.460 They roll over all the time and you can't do that. 0.99

01:25:32.120 You have to be as hard or harder than the left.

01:25:34.660 And I think, Tucker, I really feel good.

01:25:37.820 I think we have very dark days ahead of us, both globally with the CCP and others that get sucked into these wars.

01:25:44.060 I think we have very dark days in front of us as a country, but I can start to see the sunlit uplands way, way, way, way, way off in the distance.

01:25:52.060 And so I'm very enthusiastic of where we are, and I think my enthusiasm comes from this young generation who had everything against it.

01:25:59.040 The propaganda in the schools, the destruction of their culture, the outing of them for everything if they didn't fall in line with the most radical things of sexuality or gender or climate change, all these things from the official source.

01:26:10.580 They came through it.

01:26:12.300 To come through that with a set and apparatus that is so radical, trying to either other you or destroy you every day, and they came through that, that shows you we have the basic foundation that we've had from the beginning of every patriot's grave down to the future.

01:26:29.080 And that makes me feel we got this, but we got to get on with it.

01:26:32.800 In the distance, I can see the sunlit uplands.

01:26:37.080 Boy, I'm putting that in my refrigerator.

01:26:38.700 Steve Bannon, Eloquent and Wise, thank you so much for doing this.

01:26:42.860 Tucker, always an honor and an honor to fight the trenches with you.

01:26:47.500 You have taken amazing abuse for helping lead this country.

01:26:54.880 Oh, it's incredible.

01:26:55.620 I mean, and what I love about it, you're still the same Tucker Carlson.

01:27:00.680 You're a hellfellow well-met.

01:27:01.820 You're a nice guy.

01:27:03.080 You haven't become cynical.

01:27:04.400 You haven't become nasty.

01:27:05.940 And people don't, I think, realize all the pressure under, but you're one of the leaders in this country, and we're getting to a better place.

01:27:12.560 We're getting towards that sunlit uplands because guys like you are at the lead, the tip of the spear in this fight.

01:27:18.600 Well, thanks.

01:27:19.060 Well, my wife doesn't even know what happened, so it's in my house.

01:27:22.000 It's not even real.

01:27:22.700 It's so funny.

01:27:25.400 Steve Bannon, great to see you, man.

01:27:26.660 Thank you.

01:27:27.380 Thank you, brother.

01:27:28.620 Thank you.

01:27:29.420 Thank you for watching.

01:27:31.200 Here's to the sunlit uplands on the horizon.

01:27:42.480 We've got a new website we hope you will visit.

01:27:44.740 It's called newcommissionnow.com, and it refers to a new 9-11 commission.

01:27:51.240 So we spent months putting together our 9-11 documentary series, and if there's one thing we learned, it's that, in fact, there was foreknowledge of the attacks.

01:28:02.520 People knew.

01:28:03.960 The American public deserves to know.

01:28:06.060 We're shocked, actually, to learn that, to have that confirmed, but it's true. 1.00

01:28:08.780 The evidence is overwhelming.

01:28:10.120 The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States.

01:28:13.440 They knew they were planning an act of terror.

01:28:15.360 In his passport is a visa to go to the United States of America.

01:28:20.060 A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, to document the event.

01:28:28.040 I didn't know there would be an event to document in the first place because he had foreknowledge.

01:28:31.580 And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9-11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks.

01:28:45.820 They made money on the 9-11 attacks because they knew they were coming.

01:28:50.700 Who did that? 0.91

01:28:51.760 You have to look at the evidence.

01:28:53.980 The U.S. government learned the name of that investor but never released it.

01:28:58.600 Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't, actually.

01:29:04.300 And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not.

01:29:06.700 The public deserves to know what the hell that was.

01:29:10.240 How did people know ahead of time why was no one ever punished for it?

01:29:13.960 9-11 Commission, the original one, was a fraud.

01:29:17.280 It was fake.

01:29:18.940 Its conclusions were written before the investigation.

01:29:21.600 That's true.

01:29:22.540 And it's outrageous.

01:29:23.960 This country needs a new 9-11 Commission, 1.00

01:29:26.880 one that actually tells the truth that tries to get to the bottom of the story.

01:29:31.240 We can't just move on like nothing happened.

01:29:34.000 9-11 Commission is a cover.

01:29:36.680 Something did happen.

01:29:38.560 We need to force a new investigation into 9-11 almost 25 years later.

01:29:44.040 Sorry, justice demands it.

01:29:46.240 And if you want that, go to newcommissionnow.com to add your name to our petition.

01:29:52.020 We're not getting paid for this.

01:29:53.040 We're doing this because we really mean it.

01:29:55.140 Newcommissionnow.com.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - October 16, 2025

Tucker & Steve Bannon on Jay Jones’ Desire to Genocide Republican Kids and the Future of the Right

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