The Tucker Carlson Show - Tulsi Gabbard

00:00:00.000 so try to think back to 2013 it wasn't that long ago we had air travel and electricity and

00:00:17.380 air conditioning it was part of the modern era 2013 tulsi gabbard who was in her early 30s had

00:00:23.460 just been elected from hawaii she was a member of congress first term a democrat and not just a

00:00:29.880 democrat she was the single most famous freshman that year and she was feted by her party the

00:00:36.080 democratic party made her vice chair of the dnc as a freshman that year and she was on the cover of

00:00:43.060 magazine she was the future of the democratic party it was 2013 fast forward 11 years to the beginning

00:00:52.640 of 2024 that very same person was a headliner at cpac the conservative political action committee

00:01:00.660 and not only did she speak there she was arguably the most popular person who spoke there this year

00:01:06.380 11 years later here's part of what she said our democracy is under attack

00:01:11.360 the perpetrators of this attack are those who in the name of saving our democracy are destroying it

00:01:21.560 i don't use these words lightly every one of us who loves this country and who cherishes peace and

00:01:29.480 freedom should be very alarmed by those who driven by their insatiable hunger for power

00:01:35.800 are actively undermining all that we stand for and almost every single day if you're paying attention

00:01:41.580 to the news and the headlines there is some new assault and some new attack

00:01:46.600 now it's the democrat elite and the swamp creatures in washington who are doing all that

00:01:51.860 they possibly can to keep us the american people from a very simple thing having the freedom to choose

00:01:58.520 who we want to be our next president

00:02:00.860 and it is clear through their actions they have no respect for us and they have no respect for our

00:02:12.660 fundamental rights as citizens of this democratic republic they are so terrified that we the people

00:02:21.040 may make what they think is the wrong choice that in the name of protecting democracy and saving us from

00:02:29.920 ourselves they're actually destroying our democracy and taking away our freedom

00:02:33.460 wow you can see why she was the most popular speaker at cpac this year but again 11 years from

00:02:40.820 vice chair of the dnc to headlining cpac some people have asked well wait a second that's awfully fast

00:02:47.420 this must be an op she must be a secret lefty or a cia agent well of course we can't know

00:02:55.360 but if she was she'd probably be getting something out of it she'd be really rich but no tulsi gabbard

00:03:01.460 is probably the least rich famous person in the united states she is not cashed in just the opposite

00:03:05.540 she's actually really suffered for her change of heart so what was the process that led her from

00:03:12.800 freshman in congress 11 years ago to headliner at cpac this year it's a very interesting story and

00:03:18.800 she's written in a book that's just come out for love of country leave the democratic party behind

00:03:24.000 and she's joining us today to explain what exactly happened in her life tulsi gabbard joins us now thank

00:03:28.880 you very much thank you so much and congrats on the book and i have to say the first thing that jumped

00:03:33.520 up tulsi is one of the most rock solid honorable people i've ever met says joe rogan and um i can

00:03:41.240 attest to that that is true i feel the same way thank you uh so how but i can also see why people

00:03:47.780 are like what is this yeah tulsi gabbard from hawaii probably the most reliably democratic liberal state

00:03:54.540 argument there may be but subjective but pretty close if not the most and now this like what happened

00:04:01.800 it's it's you know a lot has happened in that 11 year as you were talking i'm just thinking through

00:04:07.700 like gosh has it only been has it only been 10 11 years but uh it to me it just shows how

00:04:15.440 insane today's democratic party has become yes really truly you know i joined the democratic party

00:04:22.140 uh in 2002 i was 21 years old when i ran for the state house in hawaii and as you know i come from

00:04:30.700 you know my parents have are very independent minded people they raise all of us five kids to be

00:04:35.440 critical thinkers and independent minded make make your own decision but do your research

00:04:39.780 and figure out why you are coming to this conclusion or why you are coming to this decision and so when

00:04:46.040 i decided to run for office in hawaii um there wasn't just like well of course i'm going to be a

00:04:50.880 part of this party or that party because you know somebody told me to her because it was like a family

00:04:55.300 generational thing none of that was there and so i really started to look at um you know hawaii's

00:05:00.900 history in politics why was hawaii such a strong democratic state as it still is now it's it's a

00:05:07.460 little bit less so but uh at that time what i saw was a party that uh welcomed free thinkers it was truly

00:05:16.600 a big tent party even in their own words um it was a party that stood up for civil liberties it's a

00:05:23.180 party that stood up for freedom of speech and was willing to fight for it that is true it was a

00:05:27.480 party that in hawaii's history fought for working people fought for average everyday americans against

00:05:34.420 the the corporate industrial complex which in hawaii was the big four plantation owners back in the day

00:05:40.980 and so it was because of those reasons and looking at leaders like jfk

00:05:46.020 so can i ask you for people aren't familiar with the history of the state which is actually very

00:05:49.660 interesting it is completely different from the history of any other of the 49 states yes

00:05:53.880 it was almost like a feudal system yeah in hawaii is that fair it was it was and going back

00:06:00.100 and this is where there was a big shift and and people in the political world ask all the time is

00:06:05.260 like why why did hawaii become such a strong democrat state uh it was because there were four

00:06:11.760 major landowners that came in and essentially took the land uh from the local people uh through the queen

00:06:18.480 in jail and decided okay well here's what we're going to do we're going to start growing sugarcane

00:06:23.140 we're going to start growing pineapples and they essentially installed themselves as the government

00:06:28.260 of what was then the territory of hawaii and uh local people really didn't have a whole lot of say

00:06:34.400 in it but through that process there were immigrants coming from japan and from the philippines

00:06:39.400 from portugal from places all over the world seeking opportunity getting work visas and work contracts

00:06:45.880 to go and work in the fields and these massive plantation owners essentially treated them like

00:06:51.640 crap subhuman living conditions abysmal pay and and essentially what what we would call complete

00:07:00.100 abuse in in in this day and age uh but they got away with it because they the people had no

00:07:06.060 voice uh when one group started to rise up and say hey we got to stick together and demand better

00:07:11.720 living conditions and better pay let's say it was the filipinos who did it and they said okay well

00:07:16.880 fine we're just gonna have the japanese workers come in and take over your fields and leave you with

00:07:22.780 nothing and so pitting one group against the other so in hawaii it was uh it was the ilwu union primarily

00:07:30.180 that came in and actually started to organize workers and there was a a couple of democrat political

00:07:36.580 leaders who had failed uh at the polls previously because they didn't have the votes they came in

00:07:42.280 and said hey look we're gonna fight for you and they did and that was when hawaii shifted from

00:07:46.960 republican to democrat control because the democrat party at that time was the party of the people

00:07:52.220 didn't matter where you were from didn't matter your background how much money you made or didn't

00:07:56.480 made your education or anything else they were the party of the people uh battling against the the

00:08:02.640 the elite and so so i this the reason why this story is important is because you look at that

00:08:10.500 legacy in my home state of hawaii and then you look at what's happening in our politics today

00:08:16.840 where unfortunately the democrat party and those in charge of it are now the party of the elite

00:08:25.720 who are way out of touch with the experience of everyday working people across this country

00:08:32.560 uh and and it it is unfortunate um it is unfortunate that that party has gotten so far away from its

00:08:40.860 roots uh its roots of being a party that celebrated freedom its roots of being a party that fought for

00:08:46.000 for civil liberties to one now where with the biden harris administration uh and the democrat elite

00:08:53.160 across washington are intentionally politicizing and weaponizing the tools of our own government

00:09:01.620 and their friends in big tech and social media and their friends in the mainstream media

00:09:05.740 to take away our freedoms to take away our right to free speech to violate our privacy and our civil

00:09:13.140 liberties they have become the party of war uh in in every respect uh unfortunately the democrat party

00:09:22.020 has become a party that is is undermining the very fabric of our country of our freedom of our constitution

00:09:30.160 and the rule of law uh which is why ultimately i i left the democratic party and i'm why it's why i am

00:09:38.120 sounding the alarm bells as we head into this very critical election year about really what's at stake

00:09:44.100 the reason that i know you're sincere is because you left the democratic party at exactly the moment

00:09:49.960 that it solidified its position as the party of the rich yeah and there's so many rewards that you can

00:09:55.660 receive if you sign up so i i know a million people who've moved in the other direction you know joe

00:09:59.460 scarborough or stewart stevens or steve schmidt or all the guys from the lincoln project bill crystal

00:10:04.420 right and they've all been rewarded for it a lot because there's a lot of money to pass around if

00:10:09.740 you do that but you left at exactly the moment when you could have gotten kind of rich by staying

00:10:16.180 and reading the talking points yeah it when i first got elected in uh 2012 it was it was it was a race

00:10:24.120 that i was not supposed to win if you listen to anybody who knew anything about politics

00:10:27.880 um and i i won that election zero support from any you know local or national democratic party

00:10:37.500 individuals or the party as a whole it it was imagine this uh the people's voices were heard

00:10:44.680 through their votes and they were sick and tired of of the pay-to-play corrupt politics and uh

00:10:52.360 wanted a new direction and a fresh direction of leadership and so it was it was a hard-fought

00:10:59.140 uh election but i i had no idea what was in store when i actually went to washington so what did you

00:11:06.280 notice i mean well first of all the obvious is very far away it's just so far it is physically

00:11:11.300 it is uh and and you would think in the age of technology that distance wouldn't matter so much

00:11:18.480 but it kind of does yeah it does a lot um but shortly after my primary election i got a call

00:11:23.720 from nancy pelosi saying hey do you want to uh speak during prime time at the democratic convention

00:11:29.180 coming up and i was like uh yes how old were you i was 31 what a trip that must and i said i would

00:11:37.880 like to speak about veterans um i was serving in the hawaii national guard at the time i'm still

00:11:43.440 serving the u.s army reserve now but to me hey here's an opportunity to speak to millions of people

00:11:48.520 across the country about the people who are nearest and dearest to my heart my brothers and sisters and

00:11:54.560 so the whole thing was it was quite surreal because i didn't i didn't seek it out i didn't know i didn't

00:12:00.960 know how that machine worked uh but i found myself getting these phone calls uh from people within the

00:12:08.880 democratic party like hey go and speak at this like premier event that like most people don't get

00:12:16.520 invitations to and a couple of weeks after i was in office i got a call saying hey what would you say

00:12:22.620 if you were asked to serve as vice chair of the dnc and i was just literally my response was like

00:12:28.420 what does the vice chair of the dnc do i don't know nothing about this what what do you really

00:12:32.900 want from me what are you asking of me uh ultimately said yes because this is an opportunity to be in a

00:12:38.520 position to make some positive change uh but these kinds of things kept on happening uh over

00:12:44.780 over the yeah it's kind of my first year first couple years in office but and you'll appreciate this

00:12:52.580 is one of the major turning points uh that started to slow down the the the fanfare and and like the

00:13:01.880 the headlines of like i remember there was one at the democratic convention i don't know if it was

00:13:07.680 cnn or msn someone someone's like oh i wonder who's gonna play tulsi gabbard in a movie like all this

00:13:12.420 stuff i'm like this is so weird but that summer of 2013 my first year in congress um as you know

00:13:21.360 one of the main reasons that i ran for congress was because of the experiences that i'd had on both

00:13:26.500 of my middle east deployments uh where i experienced the cost of war firsthand serving in a medical unit

00:13:32.760 and i wanted to be in a position where i could help influence and impact those foreign policy decisions

00:13:39.740 that were directly impacting uh my brothers and sisters in uniform i didn't realize that

00:13:47.340 um my opportunity to be able to do that would happen so quickly but it was august of 2013 that

00:13:54.680 president obama announced then president obama announced that he was going to seek authorization

00:13:59.420 to use military force from congress to go and drop some bombs on syria in what would be kind of the

00:14:04.720 first volley of regime change war there and um i was on the foreign affairs committee at the time

00:14:12.660 august most members of congress are at home during recess and i was home in my district and i remember

00:14:18.540 like it was yesterday uh pumping gas at the gas station and this woman came up to me and i'd never

00:14:27.280 met her before local local lady came she grabbed my arm and looked at me with this intensity in her eyes

00:14:37.180 telling me that her son had just come home from iraq and she had been terrified that he wouldn't come home

00:14:48.320 he was finally home with her and now they wanted to they wanted to send him back to another war

00:14:55.720 in another country and begged me please tulsi don't let them take my son from me geez

00:15:03.460 and as the next couple of days went on i would bump into more people like that in the supermarket or

00:15:13.800 just around town who were absolutely terrified um i went back to washington we held all the committee

00:15:22.680 hearings open hearings classified briefings and i went in with an open mind and give me all of the

00:15:29.080 information um i want to make sure that i do my due diligence before i take a position or make a

00:15:35.960 decision on this and ultimately uh secretary carrey came in and briefed us the answers to very direct

00:15:44.400 questions that i had such as what is our objective what what is your objective in wanting to go and start

00:15:52.400 another war in another country uh what do you how do you think they will respond uh what will you do next

00:16:01.680 what is that second third fourth order of of effects and consequences that will always happen uh

00:16:08.260 and the the the question you know when i said what is your objective uh i believe it was secretary

00:16:16.240 carey or someone from the state department who said well you know we don't want to deliver a decapitation

00:16:23.840 we don't want it to be a pinprick we want this to be a punch in the gut and send a message

00:16:28.780 and my question was okay so a punch in the gut like what will you do when they respond they said well we

00:16:38.200 don't think they'll we don't think there'll be a response that's your plan you don't think there

00:16:43.900 will be a response gary said if somebody came up and punched you in the gut would you like just not

00:16:50.500 respond if they don't respond they've got some pretty you know weaponized powerful friends uh you

00:16:57.940 don't think they'll respond and what if they don't respond to us but they respond by attacking some of

00:17:02.560 our friends who may be in the region all of these different kinds of questions there's like well we just

00:17:07.400 don't think they'll do that well what happens next well you know we think this will send a strong

00:17:12.420 message and and it's the same kind of like political bs talk that means nothing and is so

00:17:21.800 disconnected from the reality of the people on the ground who have to live with those consequences

00:17:28.400 and it really surprised me and maybe i shouldn't have been surprised but it surprised me that after

00:17:33.740 so many years of looking back at the massive mistakes of iraq that they could be so glib and just

00:17:41.160 saying oh we'll just go drop some bombs and send a message and and that'll be it they learned nothing

00:17:46.340 they learned nothing and so i i penned an op-ed and uh published it and i was i was certainly the first

00:17:54.680 democrat maybe the first member of congress to to come out in opposition to president obama's request

00:18:00.300 and uh within hours of publishing that op-ed i got a call from the white house uh and essentially

00:18:08.800 what they said was how dare you how dare you go against your president how dare you go against

00:18:18.100 the president who came from your home state not a moment of the conversation there wasn't much of a

00:18:25.280 conversation first of all but they were not interested at all in the reason for my opposition

00:18:31.720 which i i stated pretty clearly in the op-ed how how well uh thought out this decision was it was not

00:18:39.800 made haphazardly they weren't interested in my experience that i brought that helped inform my

00:18:45.540 decision of having deployed twice to the middle east before uh and it it told me a lot about them that

00:18:51.640 they were more uh concerned with and they cared more about like being a good member of the team

00:18:57.720 and go team obama and go team democrats than they were concerned about um the actual consequences

00:19:05.760 of the very serious request that he was saying he would come to congress with it sent a strong message

00:19:14.580 to them as well that i wasn't the person that they thought i was going to be in in someone who could

00:19:22.360 be puppeteered who could be bullied into just uh going along with the boss or whatever they had in

00:19:29.820 mind uh that was kind of the beginning of of their realization that okay this one thinks for herself and

00:19:37.240 she's not afraid to take a stand so i mean at that point you know they have two options they can

00:19:42.180 either try and crush you you're a freshman so it's a little early for that and they've also ginned up

00:19:46.580 the publicity machine on your behalf you probably weren't even aware of this but most people come

00:19:51.360 most congressmen come to washington no one ever hears no one knows they're there yeah everyone knew you

00:19:56.260 were there yeah so they can try and crush you or they can try and suborn you bribe you give you stuff

00:20:02.820 to win you over yeah what did they try um you know it's it is kind of the public things like i i remember

00:20:11.920 and i think you'll get a kick out of this being invited to the white house correspondence dinner

00:20:16.240 my first year in congress yeah i had guys who've been in congress coming up to me saying gosh tulsi

00:20:22.800 how come you got invited i've been here for four terms eight years and i still haven't gotten invited

00:20:28.280 to that and i was uh you know i was like do you want to go i really don't like going to these kind of

00:20:35.780 things i hate these big kind of parties and social things like you can have my seat but but it was that

00:20:40.980 kind of thing where oh go to this embassy for this fancy party like all this stuff that unfortunately

00:20:48.100 too many members of congress um find very very appealing and get some kind of i don't know

00:20:58.600 i i don't want to use the word fulfillment because it's not fulfilling but but i guess it it um it's what

00:21:04.840 they want and i i didn't want any of that so so the things that they were putting before me

00:21:11.740 um were not attractive to me at all and um it all it all uh kind of definitely came crashing down in

00:21:22.920 2016 when i uh when i took a step that uh to go after hillary clinton when she was running for

00:21:31.280 president the democratic primary i was vice chair of the dnc and i saw that the mainstream media

00:21:37.980 they were all saying she was the most qualified person ever to run for president

00:21:43.160 and listing out all of the titles that she has held but not a single one of them was

00:21:47.980 questioning or holding to her account holding her to account for her record on foreign policy or

00:21:53.380 or challenging her on what kind of commander-in-chief

00:21:55.860 share the job that she had done in any of those jobs like that was irrelevant and then right the

00:22:00.520 the actual record of what happened what tell us what happened in libya actually for for you you know

00:22:06.700 for her pushing uh for the the regime change in libya and what happened as a consequence there are so

00:22:12.280 many different examples for sure so so you said that out loud what happened then i resigned as vice

00:22:19.600 chair of the dnc um why because the rules said that as officers of the dnc you can't take sides in a

00:22:28.880 partisan primary uh the dnc itself under debbie wassman clearly was in every way tilting the scales for

00:22:38.660 hillary clinton uh but i resigned as vice chair of the dnc and endorsed bernie sanders around this single

00:22:44.460 issue of foreign policy yes specifically because uh while i disagreed with bernie on on a bunch of

00:22:50.880 things he was certainly more of a non-interventionist uh than the warmonger that hillary clinton is and i

00:23:00.800 knew that would provide me with a platform to have a voice and actually speak the truth to the american

00:23:06.160 people about her record and how dangerous she would be if she were ever our president and how

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00:25:00.080 so what happened when you did that i did i announced it on meet the press on a sunday morning didn't tell

00:25:11.460 anybody i was doing it no one before i went and and uh made that announcement on that show monday

00:25:18.500 morning came back to work and a lot of a lot of my democrat colleagues were basically reading um you know

00:25:28.020 drafting their political eulogies for me just like you're done you're done tulsi uh hillary will be president

00:25:36.760 you will not get a single dime for your district anything that your community needs for your

00:25:42.080 district or my district not for your campaign not for me for my district they've never given me anything

00:25:47.000 for any of my campaigns and and i'm totally fine with that but that my district and my constituency in

00:25:54.480 hawaii would be punished for for doing what i did i also learned that there is an actual list of

00:26:02.760 people who are um you know blacklisted i suppose uh and i was told that it would take years and years

00:26:11.540 and years to ever work my way off that list um i i was chuckling at all they said this out loud they

00:26:17.360 thought this or they said it oh yeah no no no these were these were many conversations walking to and

00:26:21.980 from votes with different people who are pulling me aside um and offering their condolences their

00:26:27.260 political condolences to me uh because that i had i had made a decision that they said would be

00:26:34.040 uh equal to my politic the death of my political future that's crazy yeah msnbc i remember doing an

00:26:43.360 interview i think it was one of the first debates that that uh bernie and hillary had um in florida i

00:26:51.140 think it was and uh an msnbc anchor said like aren't you afraid of the clintons and what they'll do

00:26:58.400 and i said no i'm not afraid but i thought it was quite curious that he felt compelled to ask that

00:27:07.160 question with concern in his voice yeah well people who've been around them knew yeah so you still

00:27:14.520 though were in the party when did it become clear like i can't i can't represent this party anymore

00:27:19.780 it it was uh in the fall of of 2022 uh there were a lot of critical midterm elections uh happening

00:27:30.300 that year increasingly over time and it wasn't one specific thing that that caused me to make this

00:27:37.040 decision but it was increasingly over time uh a couple of things obviously the the radical change

00:27:43.280 that the democratic party leadership went through uh in in really truly become a woke warmongering party

00:27:50.640 of the elite um but also it was it was a recognition that i had done all i could to to try to change the

00:28:02.740 party from within uh i i tried as vice chair of the dnc i tried as a candidate running for president in

00:28:10.420 2020 in the democratic primary and uh the things that i was talking about about bringing the party

00:28:16.820 back to its roots bringing the party back to being the party of the people and the party of freedom

00:28:20.800 uh the party of of peace and security it not only fell on deaf ears i was booed by you know the the party

00:28:30.460 elite for having the audacity to push for these sorts of things yeah you're this is a very restrained

00:28:37.600 version of what i saw they didn't just boo you they accused you of being an agent for a foreign power

00:28:43.600 and a disloyal american and an evil person yeah i mean i saw that it's true and it you know it's it's

00:28:52.720 such a crazy crazy accusation to make obviously completely baseless and the media never asked

00:29:00.080 hillary clinton for evidence of this traitorous treasonous act that she's accusing me of as a sitting

00:29:06.360 member of congress and as a soldier wearing our country's uniform um yeah an officer right yes and

00:29:13.580 and and here's that the problem is is that it works and that's why they continue even now how many years

00:29:21.780 later they continue to fall back on the russia russia playbook it's a russian asset they've used this

00:29:27.440 against you they've used this against donald trump and they continue to come back to this but i'm not

00:29:32.060 an officer in the united states army and you are so it's a little weird to say i mean hillary clinton

00:29:37.380 i will never forget it accused you of being a disloyal person that's a crime under the military

00:29:45.460 code i think it is yeah it is and one that would not only be grounds for them to remove my security

00:29:52.760 clearance but it would be grounds for discharge and it would be grounds for uh you know enforcement

00:29:59.760 under the uniform code of military justice yeah if you're actually working for a foreign power as a

00:30:04.940 military officer you can be executed for it so like it's not a small thing to say so rather than just

00:30:10.420 saying you know tulsi gabbard's an idiot or i disagree with her or whatever they went right to that

00:30:15.280 the heaviest thing you could ever say about somebody about an american

00:30:18.120 that was all foreign policy related right yes that's the way it felt to me i it was foreign

00:30:25.220 policy related um and it was related to the fact that i had i i had the um i had the audacity to go

00:30:34.320 against them to challenge the elite of the democratic party which is hillary clinton and it's barack

00:30:40.340 obama and it's it's the people who surround them uh in the military industrial complex in the media

00:30:48.000 industrial complex those who are pushing and it's not limited the democratic party of course mitt romney

00:30:55.000 also called me a treasonous uh person who is a russian asset or something along those lines so

00:31:01.980 um you know they they are all part of this permanent washington elite who cannot allow for

00:31:12.760 uh those who challenge them to go unscathed uh because

00:31:18.440 their their whole existence is based around that it's a base it's based around power and where they

00:31:27.200 get their power from and the main source of power obviously is the exercise of military force yes

00:31:32.140 it's the most powerful it's the most powerful thing we are the most powerful military right in the world

00:31:38.080 and that's what's so offensive about them and what they're advocating for is is they they treat our

00:31:48.080 military um it's like and actually i don't want to say they forget uh because they're not stupid

00:31:55.580 they really don't care about the men and women who make up our military and who live and die by

00:32:04.040 the consequences of their actions whether they're holding office or not hillary clinton and barack

00:32:11.560 obama are not in office right now but they still continue to wield immense power in influencing the

00:32:17.560 decisions that are being made so can i just sort of sidebar but i think relevant interesting are you

00:32:23.180 answering the question that everyone watching has which is who is running the government at this point

00:32:27.220 it's obviously not joe biden you you think hillary i i there it's not a a leap of of imagination to

00:32:33.900 know that that's true when you look at the people who are in joe biden's administration

00:32:37.620 they are the the the people who were the right hands for the obama administration for president obama

00:32:45.040 and for for hillary clinton uh when hillary clinton said herself the other day she said oh yeah i talk to

00:32:51.160 the white house every day so it's not it is no shock or surprise uh who the influences are behind

00:32:58.340 the policies that are coming out of this white house that many people say is the most radical and

00:33:05.740 woke white house that our country has ever seen oh well there's there's no question about it

00:33:11.400 but as this was happening to you i mean i'm sure you don't want to go to the white house

00:33:17.380 correspondence dinner good for you tiresome but on the other hand it is a lot easier and much more

00:33:24.000 pleasant to be loved than it is to be hated i think it's just true and so as you became like really

00:33:32.140 hated by the leadership of the democratic party and they weren't hiding it at all no did you ever

00:33:37.000 think like maybe it's just easier to kind of pretend bombing siri is a good idea did you ever question

00:33:43.320 your decision to say no no no i i knew what that that would be true i knew that there was certainly

00:33:51.240 an easier path to take yeah you think it was kind of laid out for me when i first got there

00:33:57.680 but i i never second guessed my decision um my decisions about these different positions that i took

00:34:06.060 um i never regretted them uh never not to this day and i never will because i didn't go to

00:34:14.940 washington to be loved by the people who live and exist and thrive in that bubble well sure i get it

00:34:22.460 and their their love is not worth having no totally agree but their money's good yeah and i think you're

00:34:28.140 the only famous person i've ever met who flies coach and you're certainly the only very very well-known

00:34:34.180 member of congress and former presidential candidate i've ever met in my entire life who didn't cash in

00:34:39.600 personally and i know that is factually true yeah so like do you ever think like maybe i don't know

00:34:47.340 it's easier to fly first class maybe i should have just it's not worth it okay it's not worth it do you

00:34:53.800 think it's weird that we never talk about the money involved like i just know that from living there

00:34:57.680 yeah and from knowing a lot of well-known people who've you know become famous in politics yeah

00:35:02.640 and there's not one of them not one not literally not one on either side who's not in the top one

00:35:08.200 percent for income but you're not no why doesn't anyone ever say that yeah because because it is the

00:35:15.900 assumed norm it's not the exception what they're doing is the norm so why would they talk about it

00:35:21.600 there's nothing to talk about because they assume that every member of congress whether you're a democrat

00:35:25.520 a republican the day you walk out you get your payday what did you get when you walked out uh

00:35:32.360 nothing nothing i had to come up with a plan of you know like all right uh we got to figure out how

00:35:39.540 we're gonna pay the bills how much how much money had you amassed it during your oh you know i every

00:35:45.680 financial advisor would probably uh be very disappointed because you know my my husband and i were you know i'd

00:35:54.460 like okay we got it we got a couple of months we got a couple of months that we can make it through

00:35:58.280 we got to come up with we got to come up with a plan uh otherwise before you'd have to sell your

00:36:02.700 weekend house or sure the imaginary weekend house yeah no it's were you able to buy a big house when

00:36:11.500 you're in congress of uh no no no no we had we we bought a house um i don't think you ever came to

00:36:20.120 our house there but but here here's i'll give you a little hint where uh and we shared it with

00:36:25.880 my sister and her husband uh but we did buy a house in a in a neighborhood that was affordable

00:36:31.060 in dc and we found out the first week that we were there that uh we tried to order takeout from

00:36:38.080 someone oh oh in dc oh you lived in the hood i knew that and and as soon as you're like okay put

00:36:43.180 the order in and everything else and as soon as i i gave them the address they're like oh no we don't

00:36:49.120 deliver to that neighborhood we won't cross that bridge we won't cross the anacostia bridge

00:36:53.920 to get to your house we call the other side of the river literally um anyway it it's you know there

00:37:04.120 there was a question that a reporter asked me a couple of years i forget two or three years after

00:37:08.860 i'd been in congress they're like okay you've been here a while now um you know do you feel like you

00:37:15.000 fit in and it was a surprising question to me and i said no i don't ever want to fit in here this is

00:37:23.400 not like this is not my home uh i'm grateful to get out of here as quickly as possible as soon as

00:37:29.920 votes are done as often as possible get back to my community in hawaii or get get out and visit

00:37:35.060 other communities in the country and and remain very closely connected to the people who i am i am

00:37:43.640 you know i'm there to serve and as you know we've talked about this before there's just there

00:37:49.340 there are far too many politicians from both parties who spend their time uh at social hours

00:37:57.260 and happy hours with lobbyists uh than they do actually spend time at home does anyone ever oh

00:38:04.720 that's certainly true and they have sad sad personal lives almost not all but most as you

00:38:11.240 know but i'm always amazed by the financial disclosures and again just since this is the

00:38:17.460 last question but since no one else talks about it i will and you see these members of congress who

00:38:21.920 are you know some cases they're clever maybe even smart some cases are just pretty ordinary actually

00:38:27.060 and they're so rich relative to the mean oh yeah does anyone and i have no idea how they made all

00:38:33.780 that money i'm with no clue at all how nancy pelosi is just so rich or how she her stock picks are like

00:38:39.800 way better than warren buffett's like how does that happen but um does anyone ever talk about that

00:38:45.920 internally like on the hill no because most of them benefit from it i love these these like

00:38:52.900 accounts on x and on instagram that pop up now that are actually tracking i don't know how they do

00:38:58.780 it i really don't know how they figure it out but they are tracking what she's buying and what other

00:39:04.500 members of congress are buying nancy pelosi's stock tracker oh yeah that's definitely one of them

00:39:09.080 but they're like hey everybody pay it it is it's incredible to see um and and when you watch that

00:39:15.480 and i'm so glad for the transparency that they're providing to people uh in real time almost but but

00:39:21.440 it's no wonder why she and others democrats and republicans who could very easily pass the legislation

00:39:29.680 that says no member of congress or the senate or their spouse or their senior staff should be allowed

00:39:36.660 to trade in stocks period full stop it's such an obvious way to stop even the perception if you want

00:39:44.700 to claim like innocence or whatever there should be no perception that our elected leaders are profiting

00:39:51.220 off of the knowledge that they have as policymakers that directly impact industry and businesses

00:39:56.640 that's a no-brainer to me i introduced legislation i was in congress to do that many people have since

00:40:02.240 then there's been a lot of talking conversation why hasn't it gone anywhere that's why because they

00:40:07.620 profit off it so they don't of course they don't uh want to talk about that's just an easy one it is

00:40:13.260 and frankly like why why do they need to be forced when i you know i'm not gonna i'm not some kind of

00:40:19.680 stock trader but you know when i was like 23 and 24 i had like five thousand dollars in my savings

00:40:25.640 accounts like okay cool let me learn a little bit about stocks i put some money in some stocks and

00:40:29.200 i don't remember how they did but i knew i i knew immediately like going into congress

00:40:35.620 perception is reality yes and so it doesn't matter like well i've had this stock for 15 years or

00:40:41.720 whatever it doesn't even matter what it is i got rid of uh i i did not participate in anything related

00:40:48.720 to stocks or stock trading or buying or selling or anything for the entire time that i was in

00:40:54.120 congress and it's not some like oh look at me i'm so great it's just common sense that we have people

00:41:00.240 in great positions of power why should they be forced to do something with the passage of a law

00:41:04.440 why don't they just do the right thing and say you know what we get that even an innocent thing

00:41:10.020 could be perceived as insider trading we're just not going to go there

00:41:12.980 because it's too lucrative to give up and they know they can get away with it

00:41:19.580 so it's it's interesting so you have explained and thank you the history of hawaii which i think

00:41:25.660 is directly relevant to the choices that you've made and and as far as i know it's everything is

00:41:30.360 true um and so the party has changed a lot in just the brief time that you you were that you remember

00:41:39.100 of it a lot dramatically unrecognizable but also in the process of going through all these experiences

00:41:45.320 and being attacked by people who thought who said they were your allies you've got to change yeah

00:41:50.900 i've changed dramatically in 20 years just through you know we all do if we're honest so how have you

00:41:57.080 changed like what perceptions of yours are different from what they were five years ago

00:42:00.740 you know it is it is that that the like the last five years um that it became more and more

00:42:09.700 clear to me how many people especially the democratic party uh in washington specifically

00:42:17.420 uh how little they think of the constitution and you know i think the last five years especially are

00:42:26.080 pretty pivotal because you look at what happened with covid for example as a starting point of how

00:42:32.180 people both at the federal level at the state level county level in a lot of places when given just a

00:42:36.860 little bit of power man they they took advantage of that and continued to abuse that power in a way

00:42:44.420 that just didn't make sense it didn't make sense you know when they're like okay well for public safety

00:42:50.560 everybody's got to stay in indoors and you can't go to church and you can't even worship you know out

00:42:55.500 like in hawaii on the beach you can't you can't have like an outdoor service uh but if you're gonna go

00:43:03.080 and do a black lives matter march that that actually rises above any public health and safety concerns

00:43:09.520 that we talked about and so that's okay uh the the the politically motivated decisions that were being

00:43:15.580 made in the midst of what they were calling this you know the greatest health epidemic of our time

00:43:19.740 uh i think exposed pretty deeply to a lot of people uh that it was really all just about power and how

00:43:27.500 little they were concerned about things like freedom and civil liberties and the ability for us to make

00:43:32.940 our own choices for ourselves and then it just continued to escalate more and more with the

00:43:39.020 biden harris administration um in in how they were undermining the rule of law continuing to this day

00:43:46.980 uh and how willing they were to both directly and indirectly uh censor blacklist and smear

00:43:55.200 um everyday americans across the country if you happen to challenge them whether it be on covid or

00:44:02.340 be on uh things like and this this was uh i think this was the thing that that caused mit romney to

00:44:08.920 to call me a treasonous liar was saying hey there are um u.s funded dod funded bio labs in ukraine

00:44:19.500 that should be secured because there's a war going on over there and the last thing we or the world

00:44:26.240 needs is anything going on in those bio labs being unleashed in a way that could pose a threat to

00:44:35.900 people that that was seen as uh but i should just say you weren't guessing no you got that it was

00:44:43.560 confirmed in any case in a public exchange in the senate between marco rubio of florida the sitting

00:44:49.420 republican senator and victoria newland the undersecretary of state who volunteered it on camera

00:44:55.540 yes so and it was on the dod website talking about their long history right of funding these bio labs

00:45:05.700 not only in ukraine but in many other countries because they around the world outside u.s law

00:45:11.020 rights they can and it's it's bioweapons research obviously but you but you were just you i don't

00:45:17.580 even think you said that you just said basically what the undersecretary of state said in the senate

00:45:23.080 right and then you have a creature like mit romney calling you um a traitor to your country um so what

00:45:32.520 do you think of him like what is that why would he be so committed to a lie that he'd be willing to

00:45:38.920 try to destroy your character he is part of that neocon neolib establishment in washington

00:45:47.980 that poses a direct threat to our republic to our democracy and to our freedom and that that really

00:45:56.700 is at the heart of why i chose to leave the democratic party seeing people and and yep got it

00:46:04.700 he's a republican but he took the same position as hillary clinton and many other democrats uh who

00:46:12.820 don't care about our country that's what it comes down to they don't care about our country i challenged

00:46:17.440 mit romney i sent him a legal letter challenging him on his accusation for the very reason that we talked

00:46:23.660 about as a uniformed officer serving united states army uh his accusation as a u.s senator

00:46:30.700 is is is is a crime punishable by death so if you're going to make that accusation as he did on

00:46:38.380 what was then known as twitter you better freaking back it up

00:46:41.860 is it a little if you take three steps back it's like obviously mit romney is emotionally a child

00:46:53.480 he's very much a sub genius he's like not a genius i'll just put it that way and he's made hundreds of

00:47:00.580 millions of dollars in our economy like what does that tell you about our economy like how could a

00:47:06.100 guy like that get so unbelievably rich like there's something systemically wrong right yeah yeah i mean

00:47:13.840 there there's a whole i think there's a huge and and i i think this will be the topic of

00:47:18.960 the next book that i'll write is as we talk about the military industrial complex there is a corporate

00:47:24.880 industrial complex for sure that exists as well i'm all about capitalism but when you look at the

00:47:31.080 monopolies yeah that's not capital that's not capitalism at all you look at how many small

00:47:36.200 businesses are suffering in this country because of over regulation by government and because they

00:47:41.340 can't afford to pay millions tens of millions of dollars to have lobbyists going and scratching the

00:47:46.320 back of politicians so that they can create the loopholes that allow their business to thrive

00:47:50.820 at the cost of the the mass majority of the small businesses in our country and the elimination of

00:47:57.480 competitiveness true true competition which capitalism is all about true competition uh in

00:48:03.580 our country and and that's how when you look at people like mitt romney and you see how they have

00:48:07.800 done uh so well that that's that's the reason why he's just so disgraceful um it's hard to believe

00:48:13.900 he's real but he he is so how did he respond when you said didn't his silence was he didn't respond at

00:48:20.540 all did not respond at all not to my lawyer and not on twitter and and not in any way uh shape or form

00:48:29.140 uh which it it didn't it didn't surprise me it's so dishonorable it is it is it is i i am so grateful

00:48:39.600 and really truly feel like it is a privilege to be able to serve our country in uniform uh april makes

00:48:48.360 21 years for me um i'm grateful to serve as a battalion commander currently where i have the

00:48:54.820 opportunity to work with incredible americans uh who come from all over the country and who deeply

00:49:01.360 love our country uh it's not a it's not a small sacrifice to make both for those who are serving as

00:49:07.980 active duty service members as well as those who serve in the reserve component there's a reason

00:49:12.760 why we do it and it stems from a deep love for our country and to have a guy like that uh make such an

00:49:21.880 accusation yeah it hits it hits close to home not only for me but the the real issue with that and why i

00:49:29.700 challenged him on it is because when people like mitt romney uh make that kind of accusation people like

00:49:36.880 hillary clinton uh call me a traitor and a russian asset or a puppet of putin

00:49:42.200 i this is not about me it's about the message that they're sending to every serviceman and woman in

00:49:51.740 this country and every american that if you dare to challenge us we will come we will come at you

00:49:58.280 it's always the least american people who make the claim that you're not american enough yeah um

00:50:04.780 so but i do you ever think so again this is demonstrable if anyone who's made it to this

00:50:10.940 point in the conversation can decide you know do i agree or disagree with telsey gabbard that's fine

00:50:16.040 but i don't think any fair person could say you're in this for the money yeah or the accolades just the

00:50:22.320 opposite you're continuing to get deployed and you're not making any money doing that you're doing

00:50:29.460 in any way it's quite a time commitment um do you ever think like maybe politics is not the business

00:50:35.300 for me because i'm just i believe what i believe and i'm and i'm kind of never gonna sell it out

00:50:41.700 maybe you're not transactional enough for that i'm serious uh i i i have never thought of of quote

00:50:52.320 unquote politics as a career yes at all ever and so the different times in my life where i have

00:50:59.860 held public office it's never been well this is what i'm gonna do for the next few decades and then

00:51:05.480 i'll retire uh and it's why i have left at different times um i did not run for re-election when i was

00:51:13.960 serving in the state house because i decided to volunteer and deploy to iraq with my brothers and

00:51:18.060 sisters in the hawaii national guard at the time i did not run for congress uh again in re-election in

00:51:25.100 2020 because i felt like i could um the the climate of the house of representatives had gotten to that

00:51:33.740 point where i felt like i had maximized the impact that i could make there and i could i could be of

00:51:39.500 more influence um at that time on the outside kind of holding their feet to the fire and being able to

00:51:46.380 share exactly what i am now at the american people the truth about what's going on in washington

00:51:50.420 and the truth about these politicians who claim to care for you but show through their actions

00:51:55.200 that they don't more and more brazenly and this is this is really you know you'd ask the question

00:52:01.500 about what happened over the last five years and um yeah how was the change the change really

00:52:08.600 uh where there has been a change it has come from a much deeper appreciation um

00:52:17.560 frankly of of our constitution and the role that our leaders must have in truly upholding the

00:52:27.720 constitution it's obviously something i've i've swore an oath to twice in my life and i care very deeply for

00:52:32.800 uh to see how those in power were so brazenly and continue to so brazenly abuse their power

00:52:42.680 and uh weaponize you know our law enforcement the national security state all of these different

00:52:49.300 tools that are at their disposal increasingly pushing us toward towards a place where our country

00:52:57.960 is being led by a tyrannical government yes the problem is a very real it's a very real danger

00:53:05.560 oh i agree that i i frankly couldn't you know 10 years ago maybe even maybe even you know less than

00:53:13.680 that i i i don't think i would have i don't think i would have said that oh i don't think most people

00:53:19.500 would have said it at all because it seemed like just the the normal disagreements between people

00:53:24.840 with the same goal which is to help the country that's not the case the obviously the problem

00:53:29.020 of the constitution though is that the whole document basically is just like limits on the

00:53:34.000 power and authority of politicians that's the whole purpose of it here's what you can't do

00:53:38.000 to the population but it's in the hands of politicians to uphold yeah so you sure i mean

00:53:45.600 maybe that's like the core problem with our government our system of government is

00:53:50.940 they have to restrain their own power like what if they're like well we don't care about the

00:53:55.900 constitution like old white guys wrote it and they were racist and like it's now invalid

00:53:59.340 and that's exactly where the leaders of today's democratic party for sure that is their mindset but what

00:54:05.300 do you do about that that's that's where going and and actually looking again at our founding

00:54:11.340 documents looking at the declaration of independence looking at the federalist papers

00:54:14.860 yes uh where we are reminded over and over and over again about how our nation's founders

00:54:21.020 continued to say it's we the people that our government does not exist without the consent

00:54:27.120 of the governed and this is the message i'm carrying everywhere across the country is that if you are not

00:54:32.660 happy with the direction that our country is headed um and i think that most people are not happy with it

00:54:40.040 this changes only when we take action only when we take action there's no knight in shining armor

00:54:47.120 that's coming to save the country our founder specifically uh built our country on the foundation

00:54:53.540 of we the people taking ownership and responsibility for the kind of leadership that we want and the kind

00:54:59.440 of future that we want and right now uh i am sounding the alarm and encouraging everyone to sound

00:55:06.720 the alarm the name of my book is for love of country leave the democrat party behind specifically and

00:55:13.080 very directly pointing to those who pose the greatest threat to our democracy to our freedom to our

00:55:20.660 security and our ability to live in peace right now and my concern my my grave concern is that in this

00:55:28.120 next election if president biden or harris or whoever they may put up if it's not president biden if they are

00:55:35.680 allowed to remain in power then we will get to a place where the country that i love that you love

00:55:43.640 that so many of us love and appreciate will become unrecognizable and uh to a place where the freedoms

00:55:52.540 that we are already starting to lose um that that we won't be able to get them back

00:55:58.660 i know i know a lot of people have been to jail in the last three and a half years like a lot and

00:56:06.240 i've interviewed a lot just interviewed one today um and they've gone to jail for their political

00:56:12.000 views and for their willingness to challenge the people in power if biden or if clinton obama get

00:56:19.180 re-elected using biden as a cutout and kamala harris are you worried that i mean we're talking

00:56:27.240 about like actual americans american citizens going to jail we're going to see a lot more of that it

00:56:32.340 feels like to me we are already seeing more of that uh and i have no doubt that that will only escalate

00:56:40.620 dramatically because every time uh you know they could win the election by theoretically one vote

00:56:47.960 and they will run around the country and say well the american people have given us a mandate

00:56:52.520 to continue the great work we are doing for this country well the great work that they see they are

00:56:58.260 doing for this country is actually for themselves and they are completely undermining

00:57:03.960 uh the fabric uh that that makes this country what it is that's for sure but are you worried i mean

00:57:10.580 you're in this interesting position because you know they've always they've disliked trump for a long

00:57:16.300 time just like me for a long time they thought they could use you they thought they loved you and

00:57:23.380 so they hate you with a very intense and very specific kind of hate and you've given them the

00:57:29.560 finger at every turn yeah like and you won't stop so like do you ever think to yourself wouldn't be

00:57:35.200 surprised yeah i wouldn't why wouldn't they indict you for being a russian agent or whatever there

00:57:40.300 there's um as we are seeing now uh they are completely willing to use the department of justice and law

00:57:49.160 enforcement to serve their own political means um so so no it wouldn't surprise me at all uh they are

00:57:58.800 they are showing that even without evidence without basis without anything to back up their claims

00:58:05.760 they are uh you know they they and and this is what they've been doing this against trump since he first

00:58:10.880 ran for office in 2016 launching years long investigations into him this whole russia collusion

00:58:17.380 thing things that were you know proven through those investigations like no there there was nothing here

00:58:23.360 uh and there there's been no accountability for them whatsoever which goes back to just emphasizing

00:58:30.560 how critical it is uh if if you are a person who cares about freedom who cares about our country who

00:58:38.960 cares about you know being able to make your own decisions as parents about what kind of education you

00:58:44.300 want for your child if you care about having a safe community for your child to live in if you care about

00:58:49.680 having a a secure country with borders uh the democratic party is is um not the answer it is not the answer

00:59:02.160 they are in fact the problem so you've been um in a lot of different news stories uh talked about as a

00:59:13.660 potential vp choice for trump i have no idea if that's going to happen or not probably unknowable

00:59:19.960 are you open to that if you don't do that what else are you open to what's your plan um

00:59:26.540 i would i would be honored i'd be honored to to serve our country uh in that way or in other ways

00:59:33.680 um and to be in a position to to help president trump if he is if he is re-elected uh to actually

00:59:42.040 address these challenges to help execute those policies that will bring back a secure border

00:59:47.240 that will breathe new life into uh our economy and start to get this radical inflation uh out of

00:59:54.960 control which on that note i i was in a conversation the other day with like two different groups of

01:00:01.740 people uh one one was with a very very wealthy couple and they were saying well gosh you know and

01:00:08.860 they're not fans of president biden either but like you know the economy is not actually that bad

01:00:12.440 stock market's doing all right and you know it's it's not really as bad as a lot of people are saying

01:00:17.020 it is um and then the next conversation was with uh people who are not part of that that wealthy class

01:00:25.200 who were talking about you know a loaf of bread is three times more expensive today than it was

01:00:31.620 six months six months ago or a year ago basic necessities electricity uh food medicine all of

01:00:38.280 the things that that people need just to live and and to try to live in a healthy way uh are far more

01:00:45.000 expensive but they're not making a whole lot more the dollar is going uh you know not not going nearly

01:00:51.500 as far as it needs to in order to be able to afford this inflation and so i i just mentioned that

01:00:57.120 because this disconnect still continues between the elite in washington uh and the reality that

01:01:04.720 they live in versus the reality the rest of us live in in this country and president trump recognizes

01:01:09.900 that i'd love to be in a position to help um to help secure our country and to get us off this path

01:01:19.860 towards world war three and nuclear war that uh the democrat elite and president biden's policies

01:01:27.700 have us on right now so my last question a lot uh has been written about you uh and um a lot has been

01:01:39.520 written about your spiritual life i don't know if any of it's accurate or not um most politicians don't

01:01:44.380 have a spiritual life so i think it it spooks our media that you clearly do you can feel it but i want

01:01:49.700 to ask you a specific question so there was a fairly famous exchange on msnbc a week or two ago

01:01:55.340 with a reporter from politico who was attacking christians and that reporter said um you know the

01:02:02.180 crazy thing about christians is they think their rights come from god when of course the implication

01:02:07.480 is they really are granted by joe biden like what uh where do you think our rights come from our rights

01:02:14.400 come from god it's and it's it's i i saw that clip um and i laughed when i saw it and then i was

01:02:24.860 concerned because i saw the people sitting around the table in one of those panels and they all had

01:02:31.460 serious looks on their faces as they were nodding along with this woman saying this as though like

01:02:37.120 first of all whatever her spiritual beliefs are or the lack thereof that's her business yeah but have

01:02:44.860 you read the declaration of independence ever certainly not recently because again whatever

01:02:51.840 your own personal thoughts may be um the declaration of independence is not they don't mince words yes that

01:03:00.500 that our god-given rights are inalienable and they do come from our creator uh and and again recognizing

01:03:08.880 that as the basis for our founding documents uh is a very powerful message to every person in politics

01:03:18.200 or in power that you don't get to try to take away those rights god gives us those rights only god can

01:03:28.120 take them away and this god complex that so many of our politicians have is at the heart of the problem

01:03:35.980 is they're so eager to put themselves in a position of power where they they believe that they have the

01:03:42.500 power to say what is true and what is not true that something as undeniable as the fact that i am a woman

01:03:49.180 and you're a man is something that they have now declared to be uh a fungible uh label i suppose

01:03:57.200 that you can just say oh you know i i i i believe i'm a man so i'm a man and and and let it be so

01:04:03.980 the this is this is it would be laughable if the consequences weren't so dangerous uh to have people

01:04:11.300 in power who don't recognize that our our rights and freedoms come from god and you follow that track

01:04:19.120 and where does it lead is is they really do believe that they are god or should be god

01:04:24.900 and that they are self-appointing themselves to be in that position of authority

01:04:31.120 and have a lot of tools at their disposal to try to enforce that and that is what is at the heart of

01:04:38.580 the danger that we face as a country right now this is something that transcends party affiliation

01:04:44.020 it transcends how you may like or dislike certain candidates this is the fact and it's the reality

01:04:51.460 that we have to confront ourselves with if we care about peace if we care about freedom if we care about

01:04:57.620 security if we care about our country and our future uh the choice is very clear in this election

01:05:04.480 and what we must do in leaving the democrat party behind tulsi gabbard i don't know what's next for you

01:05:10.780 i don't know what's next for any of us actually but i hope you will keep talking i will thank you for

01:05:14.920 having me thank you it's so good to see you

The Tucker Carlson Show - March 26, 2024

Tulsi Gabbard

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