The Tucker Carlson Show - TX Gov. Greg Abbott ⧸ TX A.G. Ken Paxton ⧸ Dr. Pete Chambers

00:00:00.000 On Monday, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Biden administration

00:00:14.500 is legally allowed to open the border by force to cut down razor wire along the Rio Grande sector

00:00:20.400 of the U.S.-Mexico border in Texas. The usual suspects voted for this, Sonia Sotomayor,

00:00:25.980 Elena Kagan, Kentaji Brown Jackson, but they were joined by so-called conservative justices,

00:00:31.140 John Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett. So in response to this ruling, which shocked many,

00:00:35.900 the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, drafted a letter, not simply to the administration,

00:00:40.940 but to the world. And here's part of what it says. Under President Biden's lawless border policies,

00:00:45.780 more than 6 million illegal immigrants have crossed our southern border in just three years.

00:00:50.060 That is more than the population of 33 different states in this country. This illegal refusal to

00:00:55.640 protect the states has inflicted unprecedented harm on the people all across the United States.

00:01:01.340 Abbott goes on to say the state of Texas has the authority under the Constitution to,

00:01:05.120 quote, protect itself. That authority is the supreme law of the land, and it supersedes any

00:01:10.100 federal statutes to the contrary. And then, following very quickly, 25 other states with

00:01:15.980 Republican governors signed a letter pledging their support to Texas and its constitutional right

00:01:20.700 to defend itself and this country. Those states include Ohio, Florida, Utah, Nevada, and many

00:01:25.700 others. And then the Biden administration responded. The administration threatened these states,

00:01:31.800 and particularly Texas, with a, quote, 24-hour deadline to allow Border Patrol to reopen the border

00:01:37.180 and to take down the barbed wire. Clearly a collision course. What happens next? We're thankful to be

00:01:42.880 joined now by Governor Greg Abbott of Texas, who joins us by phone from India. Governor Abbott,

00:01:48.300 thank you so much for joining us. If the administration declares that it plans to federalize

00:01:55.320 the National Guard of the state of Texas, your National Guard, what will be your response?

00:02:01.400 Well, first, I'll be shocked. That would be a boneheaded move on his part, a total disaster.

00:02:07.140 But for one, as you might imagine, we are prepared in the event that that unlikely event does occur to

00:02:13.200 make sure that we will be able to continue exactly what we've been doing over the past month,

00:02:17.720 and that is building these barriers, whether it be the Constitutional Wire or other anti-climb border

00:02:24.560 barriers. Whatever we've been building, the Biden administration is now trying to attack us

00:02:29.500 because of it, and we will continue to do exactly what we're doing to expand our denial of illegal

00:02:36.580 entry into the state of Texas.

00:02:39.120 With state employees, I assume, not with National Guard. But can you envision a scenario in which you

00:02:45.220 would put armed state employees on the border instead of the National Guard of Texas?

00:02:49.000 We do have other armed state employees on the border as we speak right at this minute,

00:02:54.120 and there's the Texas Department of Public Safety, as well as other law enforcement officers,

00:02:58.340 as well as National Guard from other states. And you can be assured there will be more National Guard

00:03:03.280 from other states and more law enforcement officers within the state of Texas and other states.

00:03:07.240 And, Tucker, I just signed a law, a new law in the state of Texas that will go into effect on March

00:03:13.260 the 5th that authorizes any law enforcement officer in the state of Texas to be able to arrest anybody

00:03:20.220 coming across the border illegally.

00:03:22.720 Have you spoken to the president or anyone from the Biden White House about what appears to be

00:03:27.800 an imminent collision?

00:03:29.620 I have not, to be clear. I have spoken to the president about the border.

00:03:33.760 I met him on a tarmac in El Paso and talked to him directly about what was going on.

00:03:38.260 I handed him a letter that had in it immediate solutions he could take that would immediately

00:03:43.180 secure the border without the need of any new law to be passed.

00:03:46.600 Despite the fact that I handed him on altogether eight different letters, he has refused to ever

00:03:52.800 respond. My point in telling you that we have laid down the precursor of what's called Article

00:03:58.500 4, Section 4 of the United States Constitution to show that we have been invaded and we have

00:04:06.200 demanded support from the president to safeguard our state, and they have refused to do so eight

00:04:12.360 times. And that authorized me to declare an invasion under Article 1, Section 10 of the

00:04:19.460 Constitution to make sure that Texas is going to be able to use every tool in our arsenal to defend

00:04:25.140 our state. Of the couple of dozen Republican led states who pledged support for you, how many do

00:04:33.160 you think would send National Guard to Texas? I'll be shocked and disappointed if almost all of them

00:04:39.080 do not send. There have been about 10 so far that have sent National Guard or other law enforcement.

00:04:46.660 They now are joined together with us. And this is a fight for the future of America,

00:04:50.440 and they all know it. And so I believe that they will all be in on December.

00:04:55.180 It's just a remarkable moment. And I know you're heading out, but my final question is,

00:04:58.860 how do you see this resolving? What happens next?

00:05:05.240 Well, Texas is going to continue to expand the border barriers that we are erecting,

00:05:12.660 the razor wire that we're putting up, and to continue to gain control of more land over the coming

00:05:18.920 months. I believe, however, that this will all come to an end on January the 20th of next year,

00:05:26.180 because I believe a new president will be sworn in, a president who will actually enforce the

00:05:31.080 immigration laws of the entire country, not just the Texas border, but New Mexico and Arizona and

00:05:36.620 California and the Canadian border also. And we will have safe and secure borders once again,

00:05:41.980 because we will have a president who actually will enforce the laws of the United States of America.

00:05:46.600 But in the next year, are you concerned about any kind of conflict between state forces,

00:05:53.120 whether state employees or National Guard and federal forces?

00:05:56.080 So, Tucker, all we can do is be as prepared as possible, deploy as many people as possible,

00:06:01.780 do as much as possible to put up more border barriers, and deny illegal entry. And our head is

00:06:10.460 down. We're working hard, regardless of what the Biden administration is doing.

00:06:13.960 Governor Greg Abbott of Texas, joining us now from India. Thank you very much, Governor.

00:06:20.000 Thank you. Take care.

00:06:21.600 The state of Texas appears to be on a kind of collision course with the Biden administration,

00:06:26.280 with the federal government over the southern border. Can it be protected, or must the invasion

00:06:31.940 continue? The Supreme Court has waited on this to some limited extent, but it hasn't solved the

00:06:38.360 problem or answered the question. So what happens now? Things are moving very quickly. And it seemed

00:06:43.820 like there was no one better to tell us what the future may hold than the Attorney General of the

00:06:48.480 State in Question, Ken Paxton, who joins us now. Mr. Attorney General, thank you so much for coming on.

00:06:53.900 So that's the question. Where does this go? It seems like there are two large forces speeding

00:06:59.960 toward each other. No one's swerving. What happens, do you think?

00:07:03.060 You know, I don't think anybody knows exactly what happened, because we're in uncharted territory

00:07:06.400 where we have a federal government that has largely not just ignored federal law, not just

00:07:11.880 ignored their constitutional role to protect the state and the country. They're actually participating

00:07:17.300 with cartels and bringing people here as fast as they possibly can. I just don't think we've ever

00:07:23.520 seen anything like this in our country, where we have a federal government not just not doing their job,

00:07:27.800 but affirmatively working with bad people to do bad things to the country. I just,

00:07:33.860 I don't remember anything like this. So can I just ask you to stop there? Since you're a law

00:07:37.400 enforcement, you're the chief law enforcement officer of your state, can you assess whether what the

00:07:42.060 Biden administration is doing now is strictly speaking criminal? Are they breaking the law in

00:07:47.080 how they're handling the border? I think they are. I mean, they're taking federal law and

00:07:52.820 dismantling it. He has a constitutional duty to implement what has been put in place

00:07:59.620 by the elected representatives. Yes.

00:08:02.580 And he's just not doing that. And he's making up his own rules as we go that allow the cartels to

00:08:08.820 gain a foothold, a really strong foothold in the United States, not just in my state,

00:08:13.380 but really across the, they're building a network across the country so that they can keep doing this

00:08:18.640 well after Biden's gone. So just to like the next few days or weeks or months or who knows,

00:08:26.020 the Biden administration has effectively threatened your state and said, you've got 24 hours to do

00:08:31.200 something. What are they demanding that you do? And where does this go short term? Do you think?

00:08:37.860 You know, I'm not, I'm not exactly sure what we're supposed to do. I mean, is it,

00:08:41.340 we're supposed to let them help them cut down wire and fences. We weren't ordered to do that by

00:08:46.380 anybody that, that, that I know of. And so we have no obligation to help them violate federal

00:08:52.700 law and we're not going to do it. And I don't think Abbott's going to give in. I certainly don't

00:08:56.760 plan on giving in. So they're pushing us to help them and we're not going to help them violate

00:09:01.580 federal law. We're going to try to defend our border the best we can with the resources we have.

00:09:06.140 And, you know, my job is to do it in court. Abbott has other resources at his disposal and I hope

00:09:11.620 he uses every single one of them to stop this. He, the governor, Greg Abbott, told us this morning

00:09:17.580 from India that there are at least 10 states that have sent National Guard to Texas. Has there,

00:09:26.940 is this, something like this ever happened in the last, say, hundred years that you're aware of?

00:09:32.120 I know that they've sent different states. I know Ron DeSantis has sent troops and I believe

00:09:37.400 Ducey, when he was in office, sent troops. But nothing to this scale, nothing since the Civil War

00:09:45.140 that I know such a conflict has existed between the federal government and the states. This is really

00:09:51.420 new territory for us. I think it's new territory for anybody living because we have not seen this type

00:09:56.640 of conflict between the federal government, basically ignoring all of their duties. And I can't even

00:10:01.980 imagine actually Texas, when it became into the union, agreeing to come into the union if they

00:10:08.540 knew that the federal government wasn't going to defend the border. That, that would have never

00:10:12.400 happened. I'm not sure there would have ever been a constitution that was joined by states if they

00:10:17.660 ever thought that the federal government wasn't going to defend them. And if they didn't, they couldn't

00:10:22.220 do any, that states couldn't do anything about it. That doesn't make any sense.

00:10:24.820 Right. They didn't ever imagine that a dictator president would decide to change the population

00:10:28.840 to win elections forever. I don't think that even entered their minds. So what would happen

00:10:35.100 if Biden decides to, quote, federalize the National Guard of Texas?

00:10:40.720 Look, he can do that. Any president can do that. I think that that pretty much ends his election

00:10:45.640 possibilities. Not that they're that good now anyway, but this is becoming the number one issue.

00:10:50.820 When you come into a state like Texas that I think people can clearly see, we're just trying to

00:10:55.780 protect ourselves from crime and terrorism and a lot of bad consequences. I don't think

00:11:00.720 now these liberal sanctuary cities know the same, same problem. They've got just a little bit of

00:11:05.040 what we have and they know that this is real. So I think it's becoming more, Americans are becoming

00:11:10.120 more aware. And I think if Joe Biden decides to force that onto us by taking over the National Guard,

00:11:16.200 I think it's an automatic loss he's done. And so, you know, in some ways, you know, we have to suffer

00:11:22.000 with the consequences for a few months if he does that, which I still hope he doesn't. But in the

00:11:26.540 end, he loses the election. Absolutely. If he does that. Do you think it's possible that he will?

00:11:32.160 I mean, I guess it's possible to know, but what, what would you rate the likelihood?

00:11:37.060 You know, I don't know. I mean, I don't really think Biden's thinking about this much. I think

00:11:41.280 it's his, his, his handlers, whoever behind the scenes making those decisions. If I knew who that was,

00:11:45.880 I could probably better give you an answer, but you know, I, I have no idea what he'll do because

00:11:51.300 I don't think he knows what he's going to do. And I, after he's done, I'm not sure he even would

00:11:55.460 recognize what he did. So if I knew who was making that decision, I could actually direct questions

00:12:00.480 at him or somebody could, I think that would be helpful, but we don't know who's running the

00:12:04.060 country right now. Yeah. No, I don't, I've never met someone who could answer conclusively who's in

00:12:09.040 charge of the United States. Obviously it's not him. So what does Texas in the meantime plan to do to

00:12:13.980 secure the border on behalf of the whole country, by the way, not just your state, but all of us,

00:12:17.500 what are you going to do? Yeah, we're fighting for our lives. Uh, we are, we have several lawsuits

00:12:22.900 that this one comes back to, to the fifth circuit. So we're back in court on this very issue of them

00:12:28.400 cutting down our wire. So it's not over. And I'm still hopeful that somewhere along the way,

00:12:33.240 the Supreme court will figure this out and realize the damage that they're, they're creating for the

00:12:38.260 states and the conflict that they're allowing between the federal government and the states that they,

00:12:42.100 they should just not do. They should require that there, if there's federal law and there's a

00:12:47.200 constitution that it be enforced. So, but we have other cases that we're dealing with. We, we've got

00:12:51.280 the Shelby park case where we've taken control of that park. And I, I, I think the governor is just

00:12:55.920 going to hold onto it. And, and I think we also have this March 5th date looming where we've already

00:13:00.980 been sued by the federal government, by the ACLU, because the state has passed laws that go into effect

00:13:06.600 in March where we can deport people that are here illegally and we're going to do it. So we've got 1.00

00:13:11.500 a lot of conflict ahead. We get the Buies case, which is also up at the fifth circuit, which will

00:13:16.700 be heard by the entire court, I think in the coming months. So there's numerous cases where the court

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00:15:13.280 This is uncomfortable. You don't have to answer it if you don't want to, because it's not about you.

00:15:17.700 It's about someone you work with, but for three years, the governor of Texas hasn't done a lot to protect

00:15:21.860 the country from illegal immigration. I would argue very frustrating to watch. All of a sudden, 0.62

00:15:26.180 he's taken center stage, and he seems pretty resolved, pretty resolute on this question.

00:15:32.620 Is it your sense that this is a genuine change of heart?

00:15:36.140 It sure looks like it. I mean, I think just the numerous incidences that we've tried to stop this

00:15:46.620 legally, and they just keep changing up what they do. So we'll win, or we'll get some version of

00:15:53.100 winning, and then they come back and try something else. So I think he has become ultimately frustrated

00:15:58.020 with this. And once he's resolute, I don't think he's backing down. I think he will fight this to

00:16:03.940 the bitter end. And he realizes the consequences of us not doing that is we're going to lose American

00:16:09.460 lives. We've got kids dying from fentanyl overdoses. We know that we've got people crossing the border 0.95

00:16:13.940 that are terrorists, and we're not catching them. And we know that we're going to be dealing with the

00:16:19.460 cost of this for decades. And it's insurmountable if we let this continue.

00:16:25.300 Yeah. So you mentioned a moment ago, the cartels and their role in this. Can you expand on that?

00:16:31.620 And I'm not sure most Americans understand the hold that drug and human trafficking cartels from

00:16:37.620 Latin America now have in the US. What do you know about that?

00:16:41.860 I know that they have become significantly more powerful during the Biden administration,

00:16:46.100 because the money that they're making has massively increased from the time that Trump was in office,

00:16:51.860 because Trump was doing things like enforcing federal law that actually worked. And a lot of

00:16:56.900 people say we need to fix our immigration system. Well, maybe we do, but we certainly need to enforce 1.00

00:17:01.220 the laws we have. We know that it works because Trump did it. Since that time, the cartels worked

00:17:07.220 with the Chinese in importing fentanyl. We've lost thousands and thousands of kids and over 100,000

00:17:12.980 Americans to fentanyl overdoses, and they had no idea that they were taking fentanyl. And so

00:17:18.020 the challenge that we have in front of us is we have the cartels making 10 to $12,000 a person.

00:17:24.100 So the more people they bring into the country, the more money they make and the more they're able

00:17:29.540 to build their network. And they're not going to want to give this up when they're making billions

00:17:34.100 of dollars on drugs, human trafficking, sex trafficking, other crimes, and importing people.

00:17:40.180 I think as they gain power and they gain more assets, that network is getting built out during

00:17:47.380 Biden's administration. And the next president, hopefully Trump, is going to get stuck with

00:17:51.860 dealing with that. So you're the attorney general of one state out of 50. Merrick Garland is the

00:17:56.500 attorney general of all 50 states. If you know this, he must know this. Why has Merrick Garland,

00:18:03.220 apart from the obvious answer, he hates America, but why hasn't he done anything about this?

00:18:08.100 So this, I think this is a plan. I mean, this is clearly a plan, right? This is a strategy.

00:18:13.700 It's just like their election strategies. They have, this is a strategy that started on day one

00:18:17.860 when, when Joe Biden said, well, we're not going to deport anybody. And of course he brought people

00:18:22.180 in like Merrick Garland who were fine with not enforcing federal law, who didn't care if the

00:18:26.180 constitution was, was honored by the president or him. And so their goal is simple. I think they,

00:18:32.980 it's, it's two things. They want more votes and this is a way of getting them here. And then they'll want

00:18:37.060 to give amnesty and they are bringing them mostly to Republican States. And they also want to hurt

00:18:42.340 Republican States. I believe because there are costs associated with this. And right now in America,

00:18:47.780 people are voting with their feet. They're leaving California, Illinois, New York,

00:18:50.820 and they're going to Florida and they're going to Texas and they're going to Tennessee. They're going

00:18:54.340 to Republican States because it's a better life and they don't have to deal with the higher taxes and

00:18:59.540 the regulations and they're going to have a better life for their families. And so the Democrats

00:19:03.780 realize this, Biden and his team realize this. So part of the, the way of dealing with that is,

00:19:08.100 well, let's just hurt Republican States. Let's bring more crime for them to deal with. 1.00

00:19:12.580 So it's less likely that people want to go there. Let's bring in more costs. So it's,

00:19:17.060 they have to have higher taxes to pay for all this illegal immigration that they didn't ask for, 0.59

00:19:21.380 but the federal government brought to them. So I think it's a twofold strategy,

00:19:24.660 harm the Republican States, do as much damage. And if it means some kids die or some people die,

00:19:29.620 they are willing to trade that to get the votes and the damage to Republican States.

00:19:34.740 And people would say, how cynical, but I'm looking at what they're doing, not what they're saying.

00:19:40.820 In the 1980s, when I lived there, California was the richest state, the least corrupt state,

00:19:44.900 had the best schools, the best roads. And now of course it's the most corrupt state,

00:19:49.220 one party state, and it's unlivable. And immigration did that. No other thing did that, 0.99

00:19:54.100 just immigration. So why wouldn't that happen in Texas, which has been their goal from the beginning anyway?

00:19:58.740 It's going to happen. It's going to happen all over the country. It's in,

00:20:03.140 particularly in Republican States, because that's where they're bringing most of the illegals. That 1.00

00:20:07.220 is the strategy. Fill up the Republican States to deal with the problems, the crime, the costs. 0.62

00:20:13.060 And then also, Hey, there'll be more voters. They'll have kids. Those people will vote and they presume

00:20:19.060 that those votes will go their way. And that's the strategy. Because if you turn this into,

00:20:23.220 if you turn Texas and a few other states Democrat, we effectively are California. We have a one

00:20:28.340 party system where there's not accountability, there's not competition. There's not a way for

00:20:32.740 the voters to change things if the system is rigged so that only one party is in power. And that is

00:20:39.300 ultimately the strategy of the Democratic Party, create one party where the voters don't have a choice.

00:20:45.860 So I think what you're saying is factually supported. I mean this with respect, I think it's

00:20:50.180 very obvious. Why is this so clear to you and not at all clear to say 95 percent of Republican senators

00:20:58.260 in Washington? You know, that's a good question. It seems so obvious to me. I don't know why it

00:21:05.700 wouldn't be obvious to most of our leadership, but it's true even in Texas. You know, we have a Texas

00:21:10.740 House that is cooperating with the Biden administration to do a lot of bad things,

00:21:16.100 including trying to impeach me. And I don't understand that either, but they're willing

00:21:19.540 individually to, at least in the Texas House, sell out for power, for their own personal

00:21:26.020 power, for their own personal benefit. Instead of doing things like protect the state on election

00:21:30.420 integrity or the border or participate in things that really matter to our voters, they're listening

00:21:35.300 to the House Democrats who are directed by the Biden administration. And of course our speaker ends

00:21:40.180 up being elected by House Democrats. So there's a lot of infiltration. The Democrats have

00:21:44.020 infiltrated the Republican Party and they've been very smart about it. And even though we're a

00:21:47.940 majority state of Republicans, they control the Texas House. And so I don't know if that's what's

00:21:53.140 going on in Washington because I don't have as much time to pay attention to it, but it's very clear

00:21:57.700 and it should be very obvious to every American, let alone every Republican, that we are moving

00:22:03.380 towards a one party system. And that is the goal. Is that the same Speaker of the House in Texas who was

00:22:09.460 videotaped drunk in the House? Yeah, he's running for reelection. He's got a really great opponent,

00:22:16.020 David Covey, and hopefully that guy will beat him. We're also running a lot of challengers against

00:22:21.060 some of these very bad Republicans. And we're hopeful that we'll have a lot of wins, enough wins that

00:22:26.180 Dade Phelan won't be Speaker. And we can hopefully have a Republican Speaker elected by Republicans and

00:22:31.620 not Democrats. That's where we're trying to go. And unfortunately for the last 15 years,

00:22:36.100 the Democrats have, yeah, yeah. That guy, he's, you saw him. I mean, it's clear where his priorities

00:22:42.500 are. They're out of control. Yeah. It's like a frat house down there. And not in a fun way.

00:22:48.100 Last question. I'm in Texas a lot. I have a lot of family who live there. And people I know who are

00:22:53.940 in Texas every day say that it's very obvious just from living there, driving around there,

00:22:59.860 that this invasion has degraded the quality of life in the state. Do you feel that?

00:23:07.300 Yeah. I mean, you feel it, especially in the large cities, but it's, it depends,

00:23:11.140 you can find city, other little cities that were overrun as well. But like, you know, you know,

00:23:15.140 in Austin, I have to be there a lot. I live in more of the Dallas area, but in Austin, for sure,

00:23:20.980 you see the crime, the fact that I don't really want to be downtown like I used to. I used to be

00:23:24.820 downtown all the time because that's where the capital is. And I find myself not feeling as safe

00:23:28.900 because I know the crime rates are higher. And part of that is this, this huge problem with

00:23:33.140 illegal immigration. That's true. And I think a lot of our major cities here and it's going to get 1.00

00:23:39.620 worse. And my even bigger fear is this whole thing with these terrorist cells that I believe will be,

00:23:45.220 they're being established now because we aren't controlling the border.

00:23:49.540 I mean, the schools and hospitals of Texas are paid for by American citizens, Texans,

00:23:57.380 for their benefit. How could they possibly handle an influx of people this large?

00:24:04.900 Like, what's it like to go to the emergency room in San Angelo right now or San Antonio? What's,

00:24:09.700 what's that like? I think especially a lot of these smaller hospitals are going out of business.

00:24:16.020 They just can't afford the, the Medicare, Medicaid costs that they're, they're incurring

00:24:20.740 as a result of this illegal immigration problem. And I think you're going to see more hospitals go 0.91

00:24:25.060 out of business. I think, I mean, you saw what happened in New York. They were clearing out of

00:24:28.580 school so that, or so that illegals could come to school and the kids that are from there can't, 0.99

00:24:33.860 can't even go. That's going to be more and more of a problem as these numbers continue

00:24:37.700 to increase. We're going to all feel it. And it's just a matter of time before the entire nation

00:24:43.140 directly feels this and that's going to continue to grow.

00:24:46.900 Yeah. Well, there needs to be some very vigorous response to that because that's the destruction

00:24:51.060 of our nation. So I appreciate Ken Paxton, Attorney General of Texas. Thank you for the time and for

00:24:56.100 that explanation. Hey, thank you. Thank you.

00:25:00.340 There's not one power center in this country, the media, the government at all levels and both

00:25:06.740 parties, big business. There's not one power center in the United States that would like to

00:25:10.740 see secure borders. And so of course we haven't had secure borders and now we're being invaded

00:25:15.460 and no one's really doing anything about it. So it was just a matter of time before citizens who

00:25:20.740 love their country, in many cases who have served their country overseas, decided to get a little more

00:25:26.340 active in protecting their country. And that's why we're about to see the take our border back

00:25:31.380 convoy. It begins on January 29. Truckers, bikers, anyone who wants to come and protect the United

00:25:38.340 States and demand that our government secure our southern border is welcome. They'll be driving

00:25:44.980 to Texas and one of the people who will help them navigate that state is Dr. Pete Chambers. Chambers is,

00:25:51.540 true to his title, a physician. He's a former Green Beret. He was recently down in Eagle Pass,

00:25:55.700 Texas, and here's part of what he saw. Dr. Chambers from Eagle Pass, Texas. Today's the 18th of

00:26:02.260 December. We're out here at the point of entry. 5,000 are sitting on the ground right now. It's

00:26:08.500 increasing as we go along. Information that we've received says another 7,000 should be processed

00:26:15.220 through this particular point by morning. Joe and I have been here many times. Last time we were down

00:26:21.700 here we were in uniform and now I'm a civilian and in the army of God. So we'll keep telling truths

00:26:30.340 and you need to get this video to your legislators and tell them, in the state of Texas particularly,

00:26:37.140 this is out of control. So not surprisingly, Dr. Pete Chambers has been attacked by dying

00:26:45.620 legacy media outlets as a deeply scary person because your country being invaded is not scary. It's all

00:26:51.540 totally normal. We thought it would be worth talking to Dr. Pete Chambers about what he expects to happen

00:26:56.980 with this convoy and his role in it. He joins us now. Dr. Chambers, thank you so much for coming on.

00:27:01.860 It's great to be here, Tucker. So what can we expect with this convoy? Can you describe

00:27:09.700 what it is and what its purpose is? Right. This is a peaceful assembly. This is what

00:27:15.460 we do as Americans. This is how we get, we shed light to a subject. This shedding of the light

00:27:21.140 will result in exposing really what an open border policy looks like. Yes. We know that,

00:27:28.740 that, you know, we know the problem sets in Texas, but literally I could, I promise you this,

00:27:33.380 that 40 miles north of that border, there would be people that will never have heard

00:27:36.980 of the border problem because they just watch mainstream media. Yes. And so this is what that

00:27:41.540 is about. And so can you tell us the root of the convoy and who you expect to join it?

00:27:46.740 Right. So, so right now they're going to be leaving out of on the 29th, uh, Virginia beach,

00:27:52.500 which is where the 1607 covenant, the landing, uh, which signified the, uh, John Smith landing in 1607,

00:28:00.660 where they play the planet across on the beach and said, Hey, we, this is a covenant to this nation

00:28:05.220 to God. Uh, and, and then they're going to leave from there and they're going to go down through 0.99

00:28:09.380 Florida. They're going to cut across highway 10 through Louisiana, Baton Rouge, Houston into a

00:28:14.820 dripping Springs, Texas, where I'll be working out of, and then onto near Eagle pass. Now I'm part of the

00:28:20.900 advisory of this. And as I, as I advise, I used to be in that same unit that's down there. That's the

00:28:27.620 unit that has a streamer on it from the Alamo. It's very historic Texas unit. And so they are down

00:28:32.900 there holding line. And I know those soldiers, I worked with them. I, I, I took care of them as a

00:28:38.820 doctor with, uh, operation Lone Star. They're busy. So the, the, the convoy is going to go just a little

00:28:45.060 bit shy, just a little bit to the north, really, uh, in a, in an area about 30 miles away in

00:28:50.660 Kimado, Texas to a children's camp, a lady, a beautiful lady down there who has taken care

00:28:55.460 of orphans and widows. You can't write this stuff in a book. I couldn't make this up, but she was

00:29:00.420 overrun. First of all, by the COVID mandates that said, you got to shut down. You can't keep running

00:29:05.060 this shelter. Number one, number two, she was overrun by the numbers of volumes of, uh, illegals 1.00

00:29:12.340 that were coming through her neighborhood, trying to get into her food pantry. And then number three,

00:29:16.900 the cartels are a significant presence in that area because that is the end point of

00:29:21.620 where they do the end around. So we are looking at the bright, shiny object that is Eagle Pass.

00:29:26.900 That's a bright, shiny object. Look here. The droids that you're not looking for, if you will,

00:29:31.300 are just to the north, right in that location. And so what, what this is going to do is it could

00:29:36.340 bring light to it because we have to understand that there is a constitution, both state and federal,

00:29:41.540 and that we have to number one, expose those that argue things in the the Gellian dialectics,

00:29:47.380 if you will, of tort law and look at the constitution, which is exactly what this is

00:29:51.700 a focus on the constitution. We, the people, that's why we, the people will be riding along

00:29:56.820 mama bears, cops, veterans, truckers, uh, and going to that location to bring light. There is nothing

00:30:03.940 nefarious about this. There is matter of fact, I am suggesting to them that they, that they,

00:30:08.980 and they know this, they know this, that this is a peaceful demonstration. This is, this is how this

00:30:13.140 will be.

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00:30:31.700 Who's paying for this? I, I assume George Soros is not the private equity oligarchs and the head,

00:30:40.180 the hedge fund managers, probably not sending cash to finance this whole thing. Is it self-financed?

00:30:46.980 This is self-financed. This is give, send, go. If you go to the take your, take our border back.com

00:30:52.260 website, there's a way to find that, but this is unlike what I saw on the border. And I can tell you

00:30:57.940 who all the actors are with that. And there would be a longer discussion of where that money comes

00:31:02.340 from. Um, perhaps we should, perhaps we should go to Mexico first and drive across the border at

00:31:07.860 the point of entry and just say, Hey, we need one of those bags of cash that you've given out to the

00:31:12.020 illegal folks. Who's giving those bags of cash out. Do you think that is a, well, it, it, it's many

00:31:18.740 different ways, but, uh, sometimes to charities when they do get to the U S side, uh, sometimes UNESCO,

00:31:24.180 a UN organization under the IOM, who is going to hand them a card. Really? It's a debit card

00:31:30.260 with a phone. And that is funded illegally through, uh, the United States back channels,

00:31:35.140 uh, into UNESCO and that money's been, uh, tracked and we know about this. We have the receipts on it

00:31:41.220 and, uh, it'll just take time to keep, uh, elucidating those that aren't listening in DC.

00:31:46.100 I'm, I'm a little confused though. I mean, if, if you commit an armed robbery and I drive you from

00:31:51.940 the liquor store to my house and put you up for the night, I'm an accessory to your crime and I can

00:31:55.780 be arrested. If there are UN officials abetting crimes against the United States, why aren't they

00:32:01.140 in prison? Why don't, why aren't they arrested immediately? Exactly. And if, and if there are

00:32:06.180 people that, that have taken an oath to the constitution who are also in, in that line of,

00:32:11.540 of decision-making processes, the U S constitution says this, and this is what I, this is why I know that

00:32:17.060 everyone in the government should agree with me, the same oath that I took, they took. If they don't

00:32:23.300 follow that, they're either aiding or abetting, they are, uh, treasonous or they are, um, there,

00:32:30.740 it is dereliction of duty. So yeah, there's a lot of things that should be accountable. And that is one

00:32:36.180 of the things that is, uh, that we're seeking is you gotta shed light on it to get the accountability.

00:32:41.140 Absolutely. I'm, I'm really struck as I watch massive protests in Europe against the carbon

00:32:46.980 tyranny by farmers, for example, in Germany, that we don't have anything like that here. We haven't

00:32:52.260 had a large scale protest against the people in charge since January 6th, over three years ago.

00:32:58.180 And that of course was the point of persecuting the innocent that day was to stop future protests.

00:33:02.900 And it's worked. Are you concerned that this protest is ripe for subversion by the intel agencies,

00:33:11.540 by the Biden administration, and that you'll be persecuted in the way that the January 6th

00:33:15.860 protesters were? I'm, I'm not concerned in a sense for personal concern, but I I'm concerned that, uh,

00:33:23.300 that a bad light would be shed prior to it already has. Uh, and then, and that's okay that people are

00:33:28.580 have a right for that. We fought for that, but, but it's not okay to disparage something that is,

00:33:33.860 uh, that has a really peaceful intent, but understand this, that because of comfort in

00:33:38.580 this country, sometimes people don't stand up for what they believe is right. And that's a sin of

00:33:42.900 omission. That is, that is, that's just as bad as being a perpetrator to me, in my personal opinion.

00:33:49.300 So when I took off my uniform and left, and I, and I say this, you know, I'm in the army of God,

00:33:54.580 there is no club. I think that they're trying to think there's an army of God who, you know,

00:33:57.620 they're going through the books right now, trying to figure out where are these guys at?

00:34:00.420 This is just a figurative speech because I don't worry about what man thinks about me.

00:34:05.540 I, I adhere to the law and I take care of those that are oppressed. That's what a green braid does. 0.98

00:34:10.500 And I didn't take off the uniform and just say, well, now I'm just going to go,

00:34:13.940 you know, willy nilly, uh, didn't change my, my character. So yeah, I'm not worried about what

00:34:19.700 those people think. Let me explain a little story. This is an interesting one. You're going to like this

00:34:24.820 in Del Rio, Texas, about a year and a half ago, 17,000 Haitians showed up at that bridge.

00:34:29.700 I don't know if you remember them under the bridge and they were very well on the Monday. We were

00:34:33.540 right. So I was in the, in the chopper. When we showed up, got on the ground, 50 national guards,

00:34:38.100 probably about 25 DPS guys, troopers, and maybe about 15, 20, um, the custom border patrol.

00:34:45.220 Now my dog and myself held them off for about 12 hours on the border, just barking,

00:34:50.500 right? Because we're getting overwhelmed. But at some point they had to say, all right,

00:34:53.940 we've got to let them in. They're just coming across. That was the same time that that horse

00:34:56.820 whipping thing, you know, he had the split reins. It looked like he was whipping. He wasn't,

00:35:00.660 he was 400 meters away from me. That just was a camera shot. But here's what happens. Now we set

00:35:05.460 it up. We've got things under control. We're in a, we're in an operations tent. And, uh, and here

00:35:10.740 comes the FBI and they come busting in and I'll never forget it. Lady comes in wearing a, you know, 1.00

00:35:15.460 Hillary Clinton pantsuit and says, Hey, there's a, there's a white supremacist group out here 1.00

00:35:21.300 and they're, you've got to, you know, they're on the list. And I said, well, who are they?

00:35:26.180 And she said, this particular organization, don't remember. They were there providing, um,

00:35:30.500 sandwiches to us guys that were out there working all night and all day. And they were

00:35:34.900 actually Hispanic group from, you know, McAllen. So sometimes they might be a little wrong,

00:35:41.380 but I think that the danger in this is those media sources that are actively provoking to

00:35:47.460 do what's a globalist agenda to separate Americans does that they act on it because it's a story,

00:35:54.260 right? But they take the story instead of doing their own homework, they take that and come in and

00:35:58.580 try to set the narrative with those of us on the tactical level on the ground. And we just laughed

00:36:03.460 at her and said, okay, thanks. Here's the flyer. Go get a sandwich from one of the supremacists. 0.98

00:36:08.500 To the, to the liberal light white lady mind, you know, everyone they disagree with is white 1.00

00:36:12.820 supremacist. Um, what, just interested, whatever happened to those 17,000 Haitians

00:36:18.260 who stormed our country illegally? Have they, are they back in Haiti? 0.98

00:36:24.020 Well, senior Mayorkas, uh, he said that that was going to happen. And that's not what happened

00:36:28.580 because we follow the tail numbers. The planes went to, uh, they flew out of, some of them flew

00:36:32.820 out of Laughlin air force base, which is the United States air force base close to Del Rio.

00:36:36.900 Some of them got on buses. The first or second bus that led out of, uh, out of Eagle Pass,

00:36:42.020 I'm sorry, out of Del Rio. Uh, they overtook the bus driver and, and disappeared into the periphery of

00:36:48.500 Texas. Um, and they, what do you mean they overtook the bus driver?

00:36:53.860 They, they used force and stopped the bus driver and got off the bus and took off.

00:36:57.780 Then why aren't they in prison? I mean, what is this? This is, I'm sorry to interrupt your story.

00:37:01.940 That's, that's no, no, that this is, this is our life down here. This is what we see. It's

00:37:06.900 ridiculousness. So for me, I'm not surprised by any of this. Um, particularly that night, 0.87

00:37:13.700 that video that you played, that was, uh, 18 December, that was ended up being about 12,500.

00:37:19.060 But the rest of the story, about 3000, I went to the civic center in San Antonio,

00:37:24.340 and that ended up being a job fair for the cartel. So we followed them, we as citizens,

00:37:30.260 and figured out what they were doing was the cartel guys would drive up and then they would,

00:37:34.580 it was like a hiring frenzy, like something on LinkedIn, but it was there in the civic center.

00:37:39.780 And so we are, we are, uh, aiding and abetting an invasion on not only on the border, but every

00:37:46.180 state is a border state at this point. It's also, it's hard, just hard to comprehend that no one's

00:37:52.340 done anything about this for three years. And it, it'll be a completely different country

00:37:55.780 in a decade because of this and not a better one. Let me ask you often hear, um, this migrant 1.00

00:38:01.380 wave described as quote, military age males. You spent a lot of time there. What, what percentage

00:38:06.820 would you say are military age males? That has changed. Um, it predominantly was family units.

00:38:12.340 When I was down there a year and a half ago, a year ago, uh, 22nd of May was my last day in uniform

00:38:17.220 last year. Um, now it is about 60%. And then I'll just give you the numbers from that particular

00:38:23.460 night on December the 18th, about 60% male. This particular group was primarily out of Venezuela.

00:38:30.420 But when I get information that comes up to the border, because we have people all the way down 0.78

00:38:34.180 into the daring gap that report to us, these are just citizens, former military guys. And they tell

00:38:39.460 us what's going on. The next wave is going to be Yemenis. Think about this. They're bombing Yemen right 1.00

00:38:44.500 now. The next thing you do is get displaced persons, just like they did in, uh, hot a lot 1.00

00:38:49.460 root bond camps in the Syrian Jordan border, but Jordan sent them up through, through Europe. These

00:38:55.060 are coming straight to the Darien gap and coming to us. So yes, there are more fighting age males now 0.97

00:39:01.940 per capita because of the fact that, uh, my, my opinion, most dangerous course of action, most likely

00:39:09.460 this is the spectrum. Um, I have to think about the most dangerous and it's to, it's to just

00:39:15.300 destable this country, destabilize this country. This is a Marxist technique. This could be mixed

00:39:21.780 in with a little bit of Cloward Piven doctrine. This could be mixed in a little bit of Saul Linsky

00:39:26.900 to create a need for us to have the government save us. We're from the government. We're here to help

00:39:32.980 you. All right. Well, no, because your tweet that you asked out there, I'm going to quote it.

00:39:37.940 Where are the Texans? I'm sitting there screaming, we're right here and come and get on a horse and 0.64

00:39:42.580 we'll show you. But we, the people are going to, are going to expose these things because we have

00:39:47.140 to, this is our backyard and there's nothing humanitarian about this, but we have to make

00:39:51.940 sure that our legislators understand because I've lost a lot of faith. I still have faith in a few.

00:39:56.740 Uh, they have to understand that they have to adhere to that same oath and many of them don't

00:40:00.260 have an oath. We've, we've done some FOIAs and found that out as well. It's pretty interesting,

00:40:04.180 uh, in the Biden administrations, particularly. So I think most people, and I'm sure you're in

00:40:10.580 this group would, would like to live in a country where the government that they hire and pay for

00:40:17.060 solves these problems like securing the nation against invasion. Um, but they're not. And so

00:40:22.660 citizens are stepping into the breach. Do you have any hope that governor Greg Abbott of Texas 0.92

00:40:28.420 will change his longstanding policy of supporting open borders and, and really crack down? Do you

00:40:35.780 think it's real? You know, the, since I've been on the border, I've done numerous talks on the optics

00:40:40.900 and the reality of operation Lone Star since I got out, because I had to start telling the truth

00:40:45.620 because I just couldn't stand that what we were doing was 90% optics and 10% reality, uh, in stopping

00:40:52.500 anything. Uh, we counted a lot of heads and we apprehended, if you will, the, the numbers on a piece of

00:40:58.340 paper. So now there is a constitutionally written document that came out the 24th, you know, not

00:41:05.860 two days ago, uh, that is constitutionally driven. I love it, but we have to look at the way that they

00:41:12.580 were arguing in court. And this is where I want, you know, the citizens to do their part is to talk to

00:41:17.780 A.G. Paxton, who I, I admire. And I've, I've, I've had discussion with and say, you can't use tort law

00:41:25.220 in the fifth circuit, uh, amicus brief. Exactly. If you look at the references, they didn't use the

00:41:30.260 constitution. They used tort law, case law, and that's never going to fly because the job of the

00:41:36.260 federal government is to provide security for this nation period. Once again, I said, we agree

00:41:42.660 that the oath is an oath. So if you agree on that, then you're going to be guilty of, uh, treason. If you

00:41:50.500 know that this is an invasion, it is, I mean, how many deaths of Americans sometimes, and this is

00:41:55.780 going to be ugly, but hacked to death. We've heard of stories that, uh, raped by illegals 1.00

00:42:01.940 coming in, doing this. How many warrants this invasion? At what point do we say this is enough? 0.98

00:42:09.460 Really kind of amazing. Uh, let, let last question for you, Dr. Chambers is,

00:42:14.820 is your expectation that this will proceed peacefully and will it end here? I mean,

00:42:19.060 if Abbott clearly has been committed to open borders in effect, if not in word,

00:42:24.740 if he doesn't secure the Texas border, like what happens next?

00:42:30.900 Well, there has to be some teeth in this, in this declaration of, of emergency. Uh,

00:42:35.940 he hasn't declared emergency, uh, border invasion. That has to be, we have to declare that the cartels,

00:42:41.460 actually terrorist organizations, foreign terrorist organizations, transnational criminals.

00:42:47.060 And then we have to go after that because until we do that, there's no teeth in this. There's,

00:42:51.300 there's none right now. It'll be us standing in the line, protecting our individual properties,

00:42:56.100 which we have a right to, but it's not how it'd be. As far as the convoy, it's going to go over fine.

00:43:00.580 And there's going to be those naysayers. I'm not worried about that. That's,

00:43:03.380 we don't put our worries in that. Yeah. Well, I hope they don't infiltrate it like they did

00:43:07.620 January 6th and make you look like terrorists. So Godspeed, Dr. Pete Chambers. Thank you very much

00:43:14.820 for joining us. I appreciate it. Yes, sir.

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 27, 2024

TX Gov. Greg Abbott ⧸ TX A.G. Ken Paxton ⧸ Dr. Pete Chambers

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