The Tucker Carlson Show - War With Iran？ The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It

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00:00:15.400 Thanks for joining us, Mr. Prime Minister.

00:00:16.900 Thank you very much.

00:00:17.580 So you had the World Cup a few years ago here.

00:00:20.120 It was very widely covered around the world.

00:00:23.260 And part of the coverage, maybe the majority of the coverage,

00:00:26.560 was not about soccer, football.

00:00:28.340 It was about your country and how it was, you know,

00:00:34.140 needed to come into line with the social mores of the West, etc.

00:00:37.680 There was a lot of lecturing to your country about the way that you live.

00:00:42.260 Did you feel that?

00:00:44.620 Well, it's unfortunate, you know, there are...

00:00:48.080 The whole purpose of hosting the World Cup is to bring the world together in that country,

00:00:53.840 to put the country in the spotlight about the football, about the tournament,

00:00:57.000 and about people coming together.

00:01:00.000 Unfortunately, countries and some NGOs try to use this as an opportunity to attack

00:01:06.880 on values of the society itself, on the values of the country, of the community,

00:01:13.800 by using it as an opportunity to change these values and to impose their own values on our country and our people.

00:01:21.000 That's something that was expected from our side, that we will be attacked.

00:01:27.200 We will be hearing a lot of lectures about values and things that are not belongs to us.

00:01:36.840 And basically, our decision from the beginning that we don't need to change the country for one month tournament.

00:01:45.000 And I cannot change the value of a whole society and impose on them values that I don't believe in.

00:01:51.420 And it's against every principle in our society, against the principles of Islam, against the principles of Christianity as well.

00:01:58.620 And that's basically, we said very clear, we respect everybody who's coming here,

00:02:08.840 as long as they are respecting the laws in that country,

00:02:11.980 as you are expecting from the Qataris when they visit any of your countries in Europe,

00:02:17.120 to respect your laws.

00:02:18.040 And basically, that's what we want from the people.

00:02:22.980 Anything happen in their personal life, it's their personal life.

00:02:26.980 But nothing should happen in public against the laws of the state of Qatar.

00:02:30.880 And we will never change.

00:02:32.840 The problem that those countries and NGOs put a lot of efforts in demonizing this World Cup

00:02:41.920 in order to impose their values,

00:02:45.060 yet there were many things happening around the world,

00:02:51.060 and they are just turning a blind eye.

00:02:52.800 If they put some efforts and energy on those real issues

00:02:57.060 that are affecting the human lives around the world,

00:03:02.180 it would be much better than the waste investment that was in campaigns against the country

00:03:07.540 to change its values, to impose new values,

00:03:10.580 which are not even, you know, related to us.

00:03:16.620 So why do you think that is?

00:03:18.280 This used to be called cultural imperialism.

00:03:20.620 Yeah.

00:03:21.040 You know, taking your values and using force to impose them on another society.

00:03:25.400 But this is probably the richest country per capita in the world.

00:03:28.380 It's free.

00:03:28.920 Qataris can come and go.

00:03:29.740 They don't have to live here.

00:03:30.560 They choose to live here.

00:03:31.380 And your values are thousands of years old.

00:03:35.980 Why would it be important for an NGO?

00:03:38.520 I thought they were supposed to be feeding people,

00:03:39.960 but instead they're yelling at you for not having enough transgender Qataris.

00:03:43.260 Like, what is the point of that?

00:03:44.780 What do you think that actually is?

00:03:47.100 What are they trying to do?

00:03:47.680 Well, I think it's mainly driven by an agenda that these are the things that we would like to see in countries that they are not accepting it,

00:04:01.300 you know, and societies that they are not accepting it.

00:04:03.620 We need to make it normal for them.

00:04:05.880 We need to normalize it.

00:04:07.140 Second, a lot didn't accept the fact that Qatar is a small Arab country, can host a world-class tournament.

00:04:20.020 Basically, they were like, you know, how a lot of attacks that why Qatar won the World Cup, like they don't have even the culture of the World Cup.

00:04:32.040 I don't know what's, you know, what does it mean if I am a country, like a marginal country, I don't have the right to host a world tournament.

00:04:42.620 And this is more about, honestly, like, I see it like more racism and superiority.

00:04:47.060 And that's basically, I think, the main driver for this.

00:04:50.640 So an official here told me a funny story, and I want to check to see if it's true.

00:04:54.660 This person told me that some bureau or commission in the United Nations was raiding the human rights here in Qatar and said,

00:05:05.220 in order to score higher, you have to build nursing homes for your old people to live.

00:05:10.760 And this person tried to explain, you know, we don't have nursing homes because old people, parents live with their children.

00:05:16.640 But you built them anyway in order to get a higher score on this, and they remained empty.

00:05:21.840 Is that true?

00:05:22.720 Well, it is true, actually.

00:05:23.760 They are, like, you know, sometimes when you have international organizations trying to impose certain conditions

00:05:32.800 in order to give you, like, the better status that will make you look good,

00:05:40.220 it requires from you some steps that you will do that it's not even needed here in this kind of society.

00:05:49.480 Look, Qatar is a very small country.

00:05:51.500 The people here, family matters for us.

00:05:56.480 Parents matters for us.

00:05:58.540 We are in debt to our parents until the last day in their life or in our lives, whatever comes first.

00:06:05.880 If someone will leave his parents alone without taking care of it, he will be publicly shamed by the society.

00:06:16.340 It's not really an acceptable custom or habit in this country to have your elder, to have your parents staying in a senior home.

00:06:27.460 He's the one, he's the one, the parents are the ones who took care of us when we were children until we grew up to become independent.

00:06:38.880 And we should, we have the duty to take care of them.

00:06:42.360 And that's really the genuine nature of the Qatari society.

00:06:47.360 So that's why you end up with something that you don't need.

00:06:51.460 It's not, it's not according to your value.

00:06:55.160 It's not according to your religion.

00:06:58.660 But we build it anyway to get, you know, to get the fancy branding.

00:07:03.580 It does, if you take three steps back, it's like, they're mad at you because you don't have enough transgenders.

00:07:10.280 They're mad at you because you don't put your parents in some institution.

00:07:15.420 Maybe they're trying to break up your families.

00:07:18.260 Well, it can be, it can be a reason.

00:07:20.800 Honestly, I don't know what is, what is really the purpose behind this.

00:07:25.260 But we see that, you know, a lot of things that are happening are attacks on humanity in general.

00:07:34.880 It's when you, when you lose the family value, when you lose the connection between the family themselves,

00:07:41.480 you will lose the connection between the people as well on a broader level, on the people in the same neighborhood,

00:07:47.120 on the people in the same region, in the same countries.

00:07:50.260 And that's basically will just make us, you know, as individuals who are, quote unquote, independent from anyone.

00:08:00.120 That's what we will feel.

00:08:01.720 Yet, it will just make our societies vulnerable and easy to be penetrated.

00:08:06.600 That's right.

00:08:07.080 And that's, that's, I think, the main issue that we are facing and the main threat that we are facing.

00:08:12.740 And you have seen, Taker, you, you spent now a few days in Qatar and you have seen, you came to my home and you have seen that my home is surrounded by my family homes.

00:08:24.280 And it's not, I'm not really living in an isolation from, from them.

00:08:29.740 I'm the family, the nuclear family, the bigger family.

00:08:33.920 And it's like, it's all one, one community, one, one family.

00:08:41.360 And basically you can apply this and magnify it to the entire country.

00:08:45.860 This is not the case for Mohammed.

00:08:48.040 This is the case for everyone here.

00:08:51.060 People, even when they move temporarily to another neighborhood or to another place, 10 minutes away from their family, they feel homesick.

00:08:59.600 So it's, it's, we believe that this is supposed to be the case for all the countries where families, families, bonds, matters, families, bonds, really create from you, from your society, a strong society that's not easily penetrated.

00:09:18.940 And that's what create the national unity as well in face of external threats and everything.

00:09:24.420 So that's kind of the key is that when you are cut off, when you're alone, you are powerless and you can be controlled.

00:09:32.760 Yeah.

00:09:34.060 You can be penetrated.

00:09:35.280 You can be penetrated, yes.

00:09:36.720 Very true.

00:09:38.880 Your country has been in the American media sporadically recently and it's under attack for reasons I don't, I don't fully understand.

00:09:47.540 One of the reasons I wanted to come here was to understand why people are mad at you.

00:09:49.900 And, um, I think you've got the biggest overseas U.S. air base right near here.

00:09:56.800 So you're clearly a U.S. ally.

00:09:58.500 Yeah.

00:09:59.460 But I keep reading reference to Qatar as anti-American or pro-Islamist or a threat to the United States somehow.

00:10:08.580 Where do those attacks come from, do you think?

00:10:10.060 Look, we, as a country, we always want to do the right things.

00:10:15.660 And basically the right things, not for, only for our people, but for our people, for our region, and for our friends.

00:10:25.020 And when you are trying to do the right things, sometimes you change your mind, you know, when you hear this kind of criticism.

00:10:36.740 But it wasn't really in our culture because we believe that it serves the real cause behind all these efforts is to bring peace.

00:10:45.880 Peace, peace for the people, peace for the region, and peace for our friends.

00:10:51.520 And basically the peace is, like, is the main foundation for us, for our people to prosper.

00:10:58.780 And peace has a lot of enemies.

00:11:02.880 A lot of enemies who wants to undermine it for political reason, who wants to undermine it for economical reason,

00:11:11.120 who wants to demonize your effort in order to make sure that every step you will take will be suspicious in order to control also the parties that you are helping in that.

00:11:31.900 And basically, they don't know, by doing such a thing, they are not harming us, but they are harming the region,

00:11:43.200 and they are harming our friends, including the United States.

00:11:47.440 And having an ally, like, and partner and friend like Qatar, with the airbase as one example,

00:11:57.140 and working together very closely on a lot of issues, a lot of files,

00:12:03.540 helping bringing Americans' homes from different countries,

00:12:07.460 whether it was in the evacuation of Afghanistan,

00:12:10.360 whether it's in American hostages all around the world,

00:12:14.740 mediating in different conflicts.

00:12:19.120 They basically, if they, you know, keep criticizing Qatar and attacking Qatar,

00:12:24.780 they think that this is just harming Qatar and Qatar reputation.

00:12:32.300 It's not.

00:12:33.320 It's actually because we always, like, you know, we go back to the results.

00:12:38.300 We focus on the outcome,

00:12:40.280 and we think about it that that should be our objective,

00:12:43.680 and we should focus there, and we shouldn't really disturb ourselves with any noise.

00:12:48.100 But they don't know that this is harming the U.S. and the U.S. interests at the end of the day.

00:12:55.420 So, my sense is that part of the criticism and the confusion from Americans,

00:13:02.440 well, I think two causes.

00:13:04.340 One, you have a Hamas office here.

00:13:08.560 And Hamas has been designated, I think, repeatedly by the U.S. government,

00:13:12.040 certainly by the Congress, as a terror organization.

00:13:14.220 And people say, well, how could you have a Hamas office here?

00:13:16.240 What is that?

00:13:16.720 We have to go back to the root of this, of this office.

00:13:23.840 Like, why it's here in the first place.

00:13:26.780 And Hamas office, when it was opened here in the first place,

00:13:30.060 it was opened with full transparency and full consultation,

00:13:34.540 and actually even request from the U.S.

00:13:37.520 The U.S. asked you to put a Hamas office here?

00:13:41.380 They are, actually.

00:13:42.520 They have asked us to open the channels with them

00:13:45.240 and to have an established communication channel,

00:13:47.340 with the same case what was applied to Taliban as well.

00:13:50.900 And look, at the end of the day,

00:13:54.140 if you have a presence of someone in your country

00:13:58.000 and you are engaging and talking,

00:14:00.120 it doesn't mean that you are endorsing his ideas.

00:14:02.620 It doesn't mean that you are supporting him.

00:14:06.020 We are, our, the purpose of this office was to facilitate peace,

00:14:10.600 to stabilize the region,

00:14:12.620 and to make sure that always it's serving the purpose.

00:14:16.320 And you can go through even everything that,

00:14:21.360 all the events that happened in the recent 10 years

00:14:24.400 since the office was officially opened here in Duhal.

00:14:29.060 How many peace deals have been brokered from that office through that channel?

00:14:33.600 Many of them.

00:14:34.760 2014 was the discussion and the negotiations was initiated here

00:14:40.500 and ended in Egypt.

00:14:42.500 in 2018, 2020, and 21 with all those escalations

00:14:50.820 and many of escalations that we avoided to prevent the wars.

00:14:58.120 There are many, plenty of them.

00:15:00.020 You will lose count.

00:15:01.100 Then, after 7th of October,

00:15:04.940 the first hostage deal that released the hostages,

00:15:08.780 the women and children, was 109,

00:15:12.080 and the foreigners, was 109 hostages.

00:15:15.300 November 23 happened through that office.

00:15:19.320 Second hostage deal, which we are going through right now,

00:15:23.760 it was produced out of this office.

00:15:26.100 So, the office is a communication channel.

00:15:29.420 And it doesn't make me, you know,

00:15:33.820 feeling shy that I speak with someone whom I have a disagreement with.

00:15:38.780 President Trump spoke with North Korea.

00:15:44.040 He didn't shy out of him.

00:15:45.540 He met with him.

00:15:46.340 He engaged with him.

00:15:47.380 He wants to put an end for the conflict.

00:15:49.540 He wants to make a deal with him.

00:15:51.680 He's a deal maker.

00:15:52.780 And this country basically is brokering deals.

00:15:57.480 Initially at the request of the U.S. government.

00:15:59.800 Yes.

00:16:01.020 And it continued like everything that we did looked at.

00:16:04.500 But I'm confident that throughout the years

00:16:10.920 that I've been working under the leadership of the Amir,

00:16:17.320 we are sure that every step we are taking,

00:16:20.760 we are very transparent, coordinating with the U.S.

00:16:25.420 and making sure that we are doing the right thing.

00:16:30.700 So, I have nothing wrong that I did that I am shying away from.

00:16:34.860 I know that we have a lot of attacks.

00:16:38.780 And unfortunately,

00:16:40.460 we have attacks from the U.S. legislation,

00:16:46.980 like from the Congress many times,

00:16:48.880 that although we did it at the request of the government,

00:16:54.820 yet the Amir always tells me that

00:16:59.740 if we are able to save a single life,

00:17:04.800 it's worth everything.

00:17:07.260 And I'll tell you something.

00:17:09.020 We've been under a significant attack

00:17:11.020 in the last 15 months

00:17:12.200 during this war in Gaza.

00:17:16.580 Unbelievable.

00:17:17.140 No one would handle such an attack.

00:17:21.840 And we worked tirelessly on achieving this deal.

00:17:27.340 And the moment we went out to announce

00:17:30.900 that deal being achieved

00:17:32.380 and we see the celebration in the streets,

00:17:34.620 whether it's in Gaza or in Israel,

00:17:36.640 that moment makes us forget everything.

00:17:44.720 You've been attacked by the U.S. Congress.

00:17:47.140 So, the core question for me is,

00:17:50.800 if Qatar is an enemy of the United States,

00:17:53.280 why is our air base here?

00:17:55.100 Have there been calls to remove the air base?

00:17:57.540 Well, there are, like, some voices

00:17:59.480 who are unfortunately very much misinformed

00:18:03.560 that this is very critical for the U.S.,

00:18:08.280 for the U.S. security

00:18:09.240 to be here in this region.

00:18:11.220 And, you know,

00:18:13.880 actually, the base itself,

00:18:15.300 when it's moved in the first place,

00:18:17.080 it was moved after September 11th

00:18:19.180 to Doha.

00:18:20.480 And it was a very risky decision

00:18:22.700 for any country to take it.

00:18:24.060 And we took it.

00:18:24.980 We took it because of the friendship

00:18:26.780 that we have with the U.S.,

00:18:27.880 because of the partnership

00:18:29.880 that we are committing ourselves

00:18:31.460 together with the U.S.

00:18:33.100 and it turned out to be, like,

00:18:38.140 the most important U.S. base

00:18:39.680 outside the United States.

00:18:41.720 And basically,

00:18:42.800 it served the security

00:18:44.500 of the United States,

00:18:45.740 but also it served

00:18:46.820 the stability of this region.

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00:21:32.260 So the president's envoy

00:21:33.700 in this region

00:21:34.700 and to Ukraine

00:21:35.800 and globally

00:21:36.680 at this point

00:21:37.260 is Steve Witkoff,

00:21:38.060 his friend.

00:21:40.040 And Witkoff,

00:21:42.240 who I think has done

00:21:42.940 a good,

00:21:43.460 for the record,

00:21:44.020 I think has done

00:21:44.400 a good job,

00:21:45.440 but was attacked

00:21:47.260 in some U.S. media

00:21:48.900 for his,

00:21:49.900 he had done business

00:21:50.620 in your country

00:21:51.620 and he was attacked

00:21:53.280 as a tool

00:21:54.100 of your government.

00:21:56.040 Well, you know,

00:21:56.840 sometimes when you

00:21:57.760 read the reports

00:21:58.640 about Qatar,

00:21:59.500 Qatar, like,

00:22:00.220 you feel that

00:22:00.860 this is a superpower

00:22:01.940 that controls,

00:22:03.220 you know,

00:22:03.500 everyone

00:22:03.880 and everyone

00:22:04.760 is a tool

00:22:05.380 in the hand of Qatar.

00:22:07.560 Like,

00:22:08.040 this is all a joke.

00:22:09.960 Steve is

00:22:10.660 a respected businessman.

00:22:13.060 He has done business.

00:22:14.200 We didn't do anything

00:22:15.100 wrong with him.

00:22:16.300 We have done business.

00:22:17.560 I've known him

00:22:18.400 for a long time.

00:22:19.360 I attended his son's wedding.

00:22:21.440 I have a personal relationship

00:22:22.880 and all this happened

00:22:24.160 before even

00:22:24.840 the election,

00:22:26.340 you know,

00:22:27.960 before the election

00:22:28.920 taking place.

00:22:29.740 This was,

00:22:31.200 I think,

00:22:31.680 last February,

00:22:32.860 just months

00:22:34.000 before the election.

00:22:35.940 And this friendship

00:22:37.620 and relationship,

00:22:39.200 it means that

00:22:40.300 there is a trust

00:22:40.980 between two people

00:22:41.960 and this trust

00:22:43.460 will, of course,

00:22:44.300 matters for,

00:22:45.560 you know,

00:22:46.420 the working relationship

00:22:47.460 that we have

00:22:48.820 and partnership

00:22:50.040 that the U.S.

00:22:50.840 and Qatar has.

00:22:52.380 And it benefited

00:22:53.200 the deal

00:22:53.840 at the end of the day.

00:22:55.180 The man

00:22:55.660 traveled all the way.

00:22:57.540 He stayed here.

00:22:58.420 He spent a few days

00:22:59.360 in Doha.

00:23:00.380 He participated

00:23:01.000 with us

00:23:01.600 in the negotiation.

00:23:02.700 He pushed

00:23:03.240 when it was required.

00:23:06.500 He did a great job.

00:23:08.280 We,

00:23:09.020 as,

00:23:09.580 you know,

00:23:10.320 as partners,

00:23:11.280 we achieved

00:23:11.740 the deal

00:23:12.060 at the end

00:23:12.480 of the day.

00:23:13.820 The deal

00:23:14.300 wouldn't be achieved

00:23:15.560 without,

00:23:16.240 you know,

00:23:17.580 with Qatar

00:23:18.080 single-handedly

00:23:18.920 or with the United States

00:23:20.200 single-handedly.

00:23:21.360 It means all of us.

00:23:22.600 All of us

00:23:23.160 are one team

00:23:23.860 and work together.

00:23:26.700 Now,

00:23:27.540 people are attacking him

00:23:29.800 for his relation

00:23:31.860 with Qatar

00:23:32.280 and being a tool

00:23:33.300 in Qatar.

00:23:34.680 If you go back

00:23:35.840 and trace back

00:23:36.700 those people

00:23:37.620 who are not interested

00:23:38.740 in having a deal,

00:23:40.000 not interested

00:23:40.680 in having,

00:23:42.060 they put their

00:23:43.280 political interests

00:23:44.340 ahead of the

00:23:47.140 interests

00:23:47.900 of even

00:23:48.520 the hostages

00:23:49.400 themselves.

00:23:51.780 How many family

00:23:53.140 in Israel

00:23:56.280 celebrated

00:23:57.800 the return

00:23:58.360 of their loved ones?

00:23:59.720 I'm not going

00:24:03.120 to talk about

00:24:03.740 Gaza.

00:24:04.400 There's hundreds

00:24:05.540 of thousands

00:24:06.240 of people.

00:24:07.760 They've been fed

00:24:08.580 after a very long war.

00:24:12.100 But just,

00:24:12.880 you know,

00:24:13.260 if you look at this

00:24:14.560 and look at

00:24:15.360 the ones

00:24:16.840 who attacked

00:24:17.540 someone

00:24:19.040 like Steve Whitcoe,

00:24:21.040 who achieved

00:24:22.480 and succeeded

00:24:23.320 reaching this deal

00:24:25.440 because of

00:24:26.240 his relation

00:24:26.800 with Qatar

00:24:27.380 is to make sure

00:24:29.360 that the next time

00:24:30.460 he calculates

00:24:34.980 his steps.

00:24:35.800 But Steve

00:24:36.840 is a great man,

00:24:38.700 straight shooter.

00:24:40.440 It doesn't matter

00:24:41.240 for him

00:24:41.660 as it doesn't matter

00:24:42.480 for us.

00:24:43.980 We are friends,

00:24:45.000 yes,

00:24:45.280 this is something

00:24:45.900 I feel proud of.

00:24:48.760 That I have

00:24:49.620 many friends

00:24:50.080 in the United States

00:24:50.800 and those friends

00:24:52.740 might become,

00:24:54.720 you know,

00:24:55.320 in certain positions

00:24:56.940 whether in this

00:24:59.160 administration

00:24:59.740 or in the future

00:25:00.500 administration.

00:25:02.340 It doesn't mean

00:25:03.500 that,

00:25:04.120 you know,

00:25:05.060 those friends

00:25:05.680 will be like

00:25:06.680 a tool

00:25:08.100 in our hand

00:25:09.360 or in Qatar hand.

00:25:11.040 And basically,

00:25:12.140 the people

00:25:14.140 who are using this,

00:25:15.160 they just,

00:25:15.620 you know,

00:25:16.720 the problem

00:25:17.340 that they cannot

00:25:18.200 take it

00:25:18.660 that a small country

00:25:21.040 can get the results.

00:25:22.660 They always

00:25:23.500 have to think

00:25:24.240 about an external

00:25:25.140 factor that

00:25:25.960 bringing them

00:25:27.120 these results.

00:25:27.880 And when they

00:25:28.400 look at it

00:25:28.880 as a small country

00:25:29.720 and with this

00:25:31.800 amount of resources,

00:25:33.660 the first thing

00:25:34.400 that will come

00:25:34.880 to their mind,

00:25:35.400 oh,

00:25:35.560 they are bribing

00:25:36.240 everyone.

00:25:38.720 I'm a country

00:25:39.520 like any other country.

00:25:41.480 I'm operating

00:25:42.340 like any other country.

00:25:43.600 I protect

00:25:44.040 my people's interests.

00:25:44.980 I protect

00:25:46.020 my region's interests.

00:25:48.240 I protect my friends.

00:25:50.060 And that's what

00:25:50.620 will always

00:25:51.140 continue the same way.

00:25:53.740 So,

00:25:54.540 Trump gets selected

00:25:55.540 in November,

00:25:56.620 inaugurated in January,

00:25:57.840 and immediately,

00:25:59.280 there's a ceasefire.

00:26:00.620 Almost immediately,

00:26:01.280 with Steve Whitcock,

00:26:03.000 leading the negotiations

00:26:04.600 with your help.

00:26:05.180 But that's coming

00:26:07.420 after years

00:26:08.460 of bloodshed,

00:26:11.940 utterly destabilizing

00:26:13.240 this part of the world,

00:26:14.040 the world itself.

00:26:15.500 Where was the

00:26:16.040 Biden administration

00:26:16.740 during all of that?

00:26:19.020 Look,

00:26:20.140 Tucker,

00:26:21.180 what's really

00:26:22.900 making me feel sad

00:26:24.180 that the agreement

00:26:26.080 that we have achieved

00:26:27.040 on 15th of January

00:26:28.180 this year

00:26:29.080 is almost 95%

00:26:34.120 the one,

00:26:35.540 the framework

00:26:36.160 that's been agreed

00:26:36.880 in December

00:26:37.660 and the agreement

00:26:38.620 that's been agreed

00:26:39.320 in March 24.

00:26:41.680 and it took

00:26:43.700 all these months

00:26:44.680 in order to,

00:26:47.240 you know,

00:26:49.840 to put it in motion.

00:26:53.460 With the previous

00:26:54.480 administration,

00:26:55.320 we were working

00:26:56.220 very closely.

00:26:58.660 I mean,

00:26:59.820 the director of CIA

00:27:00.920 is someone

00:27:01.840 that I worked with,

00:27:03.840 I respect a lot.

00:27:05.400 And we did,

00:27:07.060 you know,

00:27:08.380 a lot of work together.

00:27:09.500 the partnership

00:27:11.540 was honestly,

00:27:13.900 you know,

00:27:16.280 an exemplary.

00:27:18.120 But

00:27:18.400 at the end

00:27:20.060 of the day,

00:27:21.640 I think it's

00:27:24.060 the calculations

00:27:26.100 of

00:27:26.760 one party

00:27:28.780 over the other.

00:27:30.680 That

00:27:31.080 why would I do it now?

00:27:33.480 Let me wait.

00:27:35.980 And then

00:27:36.780 President Trump,

00:27:37.640 of course,

00:27:38.100 they know

00:27:39.920 there is no,

00:27:41.220 like,

00:27:41.540 there is no deal

00:27:42.260 happening

00:27:42.700 before the inauguration

00:27:44.400 as he announced.

00:27:46.220 It might have

00:27:46.760 consequences.

00:27:48.060 And I believe

00:27:48.640 that was,

00:27:49.460 that played a big

00:27:50.520 role in this.

00:27:52.260 But the fact is

00:27:53.240 they couldn't get

00:27:53.820 a deal done

00:27:54.300 and he did.

00:27:56.500 I think

00:27:57.220 this is,

00:27:58.320 look,

00:27:58.860 also the way

00:28:00.180 that Steve

00:28:01.260 has managed

00:28:01.900 to represent

00:28:04.600 President Trump

00:28:05.440 was also

00:28:06.240 a very effective way.

00:28:08.100 one of the

00:28:09.160 criticisms

00:28:09.580 of your country

00:28:10.560 is that you're

00:28:11.000 too close to Iran.

00:28:13.300 And I should say

00:28:13.800 you're very physically

00:28:14.420 close to Iran.

00:28:15.080 Yeah,

00:28:15.240 we are physically

00:28:15.800 close to Iran.

00:28:16.000 How close?

00:28:17.740 It's

00:28:18.100 around 120 miles

00:28:20.600 away.

00:28:21.780 Right across the water?

00:28:22.720 Yeah.

00:28:23.740 It's just,

00:28:24.540 you know,

00:28:25.720 you can have a boat

00:28:26.640 ride in 90 minutes

00:28:28.240 you are there.

00:28:28.700 so what is,

00:28:32.080 how would you

00:28:32.460 describe your

00:28:32.860 relationship with Iran

00:28:33.820 and why do you

00:28:34.620 think you're being

00:28:35.020 criticized for it?

00:28:35.900 Look,

00:28:36.340 it's,

00:28:38.160 you know,

00:28:38.520 Iran has

00:28:39.160 a lot of

00:28:39.980 problems

00:28:41.280 with the West.

00:28:42.980 We understand that.

00:28:43.960 We acknowledge that.

00:28:44.760 They have problems

00:28:45.540 with the region,

00:28:46.500 with countries

00:28:47.080 in the region.

00:28:47.680 Yes.

00:28:48.120 At the end of the day,

00:28:50.800 Iran is,

00:28:53.980 you know,

00:28:54.280 our next door neighbor.

00:28:56.220 And we have to have,

00:28:57.720 to maintain

00:28:58.200 a good relation

00:28:59.300 with all our neighbors.

00:29:01.740 We have a lot of things

00:29:03.220 in common

00:29:05.220 when it comes to

00:29:06.480 the gas field,

00:29:08.080 the largest gas field

00:29:08.940 in the world.

00:29:10.300 It's partnership

00:29:11.500 between us

00:29:12.120 and Iran.

00:29:12.860 It's half,

00:29:13.560 two-thirds of it

00:29:14.600 in the Qatari territory

00:29:15.800 and one-third

00:29:16.480 is in the Iranian territory.

00:29:18.120 This is in the Gulf.

00:29:19.140 This is under sea.

00:29:20.000 Yeah.

00:29:20.420 This is the one

00:29:21.200 in the Gulf Sea.

00:29:23.480 You have,

00:29:25.040 I have to coordinate

00:29:26.160 on environmental issues

00:29:27.920 like,

00:29:28.540 for example,

00:29:29.160 the water

00:29:29.700 contaminations.

00:29:31.820 I have to

00:29:33.000 coordinate

00:29:34.200 on security issues

00:29:35.440 like smuggling.

00:29:38.900 I have to have

00:29:40.220 this relationship,

00:29:42.080 this working relationship

00:29:43.020 with Iran.

00:29:44.280 But also,

00:29:45.000 when you

00:29:45.320 think about it

00:29:46.800 from a bigger

00:29:47.680 perspective,

00:29:49.020 it's for the interest

00:29:49.920 of the region

00:29:50.580 to have a better

00:29:51.620 relation for everyone

00:29:52.900 in the region

00:29:53.440 with Iran.

00:29:53.980 And you have seen

00:29:55.300 that there is

00:29:56.040 a huge progress

00:29:58.060 in the relationship

00:29:59.080 with Iran

00:30:00.960 and the GCC,

00:30:01.600 between Iran

00:30:02.220 and the GCC

00:30:02.860 in the last few years.

00:30:04.780 And basically,

00:30:05.900 even the disagreement

00:30:08.180 that we had

00:30:09.480 in certain policies,

00:30:10.480 for example,

00:30:11.020 we worked

00:30:11.980 against each other

00:30:12.800 in Syria

00:30:13.420 for 14 years.

00:30:16.260 Against Iran.

00:30:17.280 Against Iran, yeah.

00:30:18.140 Right,

00:30:18.360 which was backing

00:30:19.040 Hezbollah

00:30:19.660 in the Europos.

00:30:20.480 And the same thing

00:30:22.000 in Lebanon.

00:30:23.080 And those differences

00:30:24.680 are put aside

00:30:27.780 when it comes

00:30:28.420 to the bilateral.

00:30:29.520 We made

00:30:30.460 the bilateral

00:30:31.120 as a relationship

00:30:32.920 of necessity

00:30:34.280 that we need

00:30:36.180 to have this

00:30:38.520 engagement together

00:30:40.220 all the time.

00:30:41.680 Those disagreements,

00:30:43.080 we talk about them,

00:30:44.400 we try to understand

00:30:45.400 each other's concern,

00:30:46.660 and we try to

00:30:47.660 find a common ground.

00:30:49.620 And basically,

00:30:50.520 that's what we expect

00:30:52.260 from other countries

00:30:53.220 to do

00:30:53.600 when they are,

00:30:55.300 you know,

00:30:56.200 around neighbors

00:30:57.860 that some others

00:31:00.040 have disagreements with.

00:31:01.680 You need to engage.

00:31:03.700 Now,

00:31:04.040 this is criticized

00:31:06.600 in the U.S.

00:31:08.120 that we are

00:31:08.860 close to Iran.

00:31:10.760 In terms of what?

00:31:12.620 In terms of

00:31:13.860 policies that has

00:31:15.220 controversies

00:31:16.320 with the U.S.?

00:31:18.440 It's not true.

00:31:19.800 Our policies

00:31:20.500 have been very clear.

00:31:21.780 Our policy

00:31:22.500 is based on principles.

00:31:24.180 Our policy

00:31:25.120 has zero enemies.

00:31:27.240 We have to have

00:31:28.060 friends with everyone.

00:31:29.500 We would like

00:31:30.060 to see peace

00:31:30.800 in our region.

00:31:31.900 We would like

00:31:32.300 to see peace

00:31:32.960 around the world.

00:31:35.040 If there are,

00:31:36.260 if we see

00:31:36.900 innocent people

00:31:38.080 under attack,

00:31:39.000 whatever their backgrounds,

00:31:41.160 we will always

00:31:42.060 help them

00:31:43.280 and we'll support them.

00:31:44.700 These are the things

00:31:45.500 that our policy

00:31:46.780 stands for.

00:31:48.620 So,

00:31:49.340 if they see me

00:31:50.920 that,

00:31:51.440 you know,

00:31:52.060 this is like

00:31:53.740 putting me

00:31:54.820 on a club

00:31:55.500 on the other,

00:31:56.420 they are watching me

00:31:57.480 from thousands

00:31:58.160 miles away.

00:31:58.840 They don't know

00:31:59.380 what's happening

00:31:59.900 in this region.

00:32:01.360 They have no knowledge

00:32:02.360 about it.

00:32:04.040 this relationship,

00:32:05.440 it's an important

00:32:07.720 relationship,

00:32:08.500 not for me,

00:32:09.100 for the entire GCC

00:32:10.180 and for the entire

00:32:11.020 GCC stability.

00:32:12.720 Look,

00:32:12.960 Tucker,

00:32:13.300 I think that

00:32:14.120 there is

00:32:15.320 a misunderstanding

00:32:18.020 or let's say

00:32:20.820 maybe it's more

00:32:22.120 about a legacy issue

00:32:23.340 that the U.S.

00:32:26.900 needs to take care

00:32:28.200 of the whole world

00:32:29.000 problem.

00:32:29.420 This shouldn't be the case.

00:32:34.180 Each region

00:32:34.940 needs to address

00:32:36.080 their own problems.

00:32:38.040 Needs to make sure

00:32:39.000 that this region

00:32:39.780 is stable.

00:32:40.820 The U.S.

00:32:41.440 is the friend

00:32:42.940 and the ally

00:32:43.620 and partner

00:32:44.720 of all the GCC

00:32:45.700 countries.

00:32:47.060 So,

00:32:47.740 the U.S.

00:32:48.360 expects from us

00:32:49.360 to come to them

00:32:51.720 with vision

00:32:53.040 that this is

00:32:54.160 the way we would

00:32:54.900 like to see

00:32:55.360 the region

00:32:55.800 and that's the way

00:32:56.980 we are going

00:32:57.740 to work on the region

00:32:58.600 and we would like

00:32:59.860 to have also

00:33:01.120 your support

00:33:01.740 in that direction.

00:33:03.420 That's,

00:33:04.000 I believe,

00:33:04.320 how the relationship

00:33:05.040 should work

00:33:05.620 between us

00:33:06.500 and the U.S.

00:33:08.700 Not,

00:33:09.820 I'm waiting

00:33:10.400 for the U.S.,

00:33:11.460 what's the problem

00:33:12.320 between them

00:33:12.960 and Iran

00:33:13.380 and then I based

00:33:14.260 my dealing

00:33:15.060 with Iran

00:33:15.480 based on

00:33:15.940 what the U.S.

00:33:16.640 want.

00:33:17.300 The U.S.

00:33:17.760 is waiting

00:33:18.540 to listen to me

00:33:19.320 what I need

00:33:19.980 from Iran

00:33:20.500 because I am

00:33:21.500 the friend of the U.S.

00:33:22.820 and Iran

00:33:23.180 is my next door neighbor.

00:33:25.800 And basically,

00:33:26.460 I think this

00:33:27.120 misunderstanding

00:33:27.920 or let's say

00:33:29.420 the legacy issue,

00:33:30.500 that's what's

00:33:31.140 driving this

00:33:31.840 whole narrative

00:33:32.500 floating here and there.

00:33:35.400 I think that,

00:33:36.380 you know,

00:33:40.420 one day

00:33:40.980 everything will be

00:33:42.400 resolved diplomatically.

00:33:43.960 If I take a stand

00:33:45.100 against my neighbor

00:33:45.920 because of

00:33:48.220 an external issue,

00:33:50.200 very strong stand,

00:33:53.060 what I'm going

00:33:54.320 to do

00:33:54.680 with those

00:33:56.500 two adversities

00:33:57.240 come together.

00:34:00.500 So I think

00:34:01.140 it's the policy

00:34:01.680 of your government

00:34:02.280 that you oppose

00:34:03.000 Iran getting

00:34:03.580 nuclear weapons.

00:34:04.680 Certainly,

00:34:05.060 your neighbors

00:34:05.440 are on the record

00:34:07.060 against it.

00:34:08.480 How close

00:34:09.200 do you think

00:34:09.720 Iran is

00:34:10.500 to getting

00:34:10.840 a nuclear weapon,

00:34:11.680 to building one?

00:34:12.840 Well,

00:34:13.100 look,

00:34:13.780 actually,

00:34:15.420 a nuclear weapon

00:34:16.160 is bad for the region,

00:34:17.120 for any country,

00:34:17.780 whether it's Iran

00:34:18.320 or any other country.

00:34:19.600 But also,

00:34:20.400 like,

00:34:20.660 when it comes to,

00:34:21.840 you know,

00:34:22.160 developing a nuclear program,

00:34:23.360 there are concerns,

00:34:24.340 of course,

00:34:24.780 whenever any nuclear program

00:34:26.500 is developed

00:34:26.960 around your region.

00:34:28.220 And those concerns

00:34:29.040 can be not only

00:34:30.660 military concerns,

00:34:32.060 but also security

00:34:33.200 and, like,

00:34:33.880 safety concerns.

00:34:35.520 As I mentioned to you,

00:34:37.300 if the water

00:34:38.520 is contaminated,

00:34:39.520 the nuclear

00:34:40.400 facilities

00:34:42.100 of Iran

00:34:43.400 are on the other

00:34:44.780 side of the coast.

00:34:45.720 It's closer to Doha

00:34:46.680 than Bahrain itself.

00:34:48.360 So the risks

00:34:48.960 and the threats

00:34:49.560 is affecting me,

00:34:51.080 my country,

00:34:51.740 affecting other countries

00:34:52.720 in the GTC more,

00:34:53.800 even.

00:34:54.100 So there's a nuclear

00:34:54.720 side directly

00:34:55.420 across from you.

00:34:56.160 Yeah.

00:34:56.920 And that's basically,

00:34:58.340 you know,

00:35:00.460 that's why

00:35:01.180 it's putting

00:35:02.020 the entire region

00:35:03.180 in a lot of risk

00:35:04.760 if there is

00:35:05.320 no clear standards

00:35:07.260 for managing

00:35:09.360 those nuclear facilities

00:35:10.540 and those clear standards

00:35:11.660 ensuring that

00:35:12.600 this is

00:35:13.680 a nuclear

00:35:14.280 power plant

00:35:16.180 that will be used

00:35:17.360 for peaceful use.

00:35:18.180 Now,

00:35:20.000 who's right

00:35:21.080 and who's wrong?

00:35:21.980 This is not

00:35:22.460 for me to judge.

00:35:23.520 Yet,

00:35:24.680 what we would like

00:35:25.540 to see,

00:35:26.080 we would like

00:35:26.580 to see

00:35:27.080 a nuclear program

00:35:29.840 that have

00:35:30.500 complying

00:35:31.840 with the international

00:35:32.640 standard.

00:35:33.260 We are speaking

00:35:33.920 with the Iranians

00:35:34.680 all the time

00:35:35.300 that we need

00:35:36.720 to work together,

00:35:37.480 we need to work

00:35:38.060 with the IAEA

00:35:39.080 in order to ensure

00:35:39.960 that those standards

00:35:41.360 are followed.

00:35:43.020 There are a lot

00:35:43.840 of news

00:35:45.360 and headlines

00:35:46.160 we see that Iran

00:35:47.380 is close

00:35:48.100 to a nuclear weapon.

00:35:49.600 This is nothing

00:35:50.180 we have ever heard,

00:35:52.520 we have ever seen,

00:35:53.480 I mean,

00:35:53.800 or experienced.

00:35:54.980 Even our engagement

00:35:56.200 with the leaders there,

00:35:59.540 even with the supreme leader,

00:36:01.140 he said very clearly

00:36:03.320 that he has issued

00:36:05.420 a fatwa

00:36:06.000 or a declaration

00:36:08.020 that Iran

00:36:08.940 will never

00:36:09.420 go for a nuclear bomb.

00:36:11.160 and basically

00:36:12.920 this has also

00:36:16.380 its moral status

00:36:17.440 within the country.

00:36:19.220 So,

00:36:20.420 I hope that

00:36:21.260 we can reach

00:36:22.380 to a solution,

00:36:23.240 a diplomatic solution

00:36:24.100 where

00:36:24.520 there is

00:36:27.040 prosperity

00:36:27.780 for the region,

00:36:28.580 sanctions are lifted,

00:36:29.540 nuclear programs

00:36:30.320 are peaceful

00:36:30.800 and assurances

00:36:31.980 for the entire region.

00:36:34.420 And

00:36:34.820 this will be,

00:36:36.640 I think,

00:36:37.300 a booster

00:36:40.380 for the region

00:36:41.120 development

00:36:41.600 and prosperity.

00:36:43.420 So,

00:36:43.940 there's a great deal

00:36:44.480 of pressure

00:36:45.000 in Washington

00:36:45.620 on the White House

00:36:46.260 and on the Congress

00:36:47.300 to participate in

00:36:48.400 or sign off

00:36:49.260 on

00:36:49.660 an attack,

00:36:51.940 an aerial bombardment

00:36:52.880 of the Iran

00:36:54.320 nuclear sites,

00:36:55.520 however many

00:36:56.060 there actually are,

00:36:57.720 one of which,

00:36:58.300 as you said,

00:36:58.620 is directly across from you,

00:36:59.600 so you think about this a lot.

00:37:02.000 What would be

00:37:02.660 the consequences

00:37:03.360 if that happens?

00:37:04.760 And that's not theoretical,

00:37:06.180 as you know,

00:37:06.780 that could happen

00:37:07.860 soon.

00:37:09.220 What would happen next?

00:37:11.000 Well,

00:37:11.200 I think it will just,

00:37:12.740 will be a start

00:37:14.060 of a war

00:37:15.060 that will

00:37:15.840 spread

00:37:16.560 all over the region

00:37:17.740 and

00:37:18.240 basically,

00:37:19.600 do we expect

00:37:20.180 from any country

00:37:21.080 to get attacked

00:37:22.520 and to stay silent?

00:37:24.200 There will be a reaction.

00:37:25.540 Those reactions

00:37:26.180 and retaliations,

00:37:27.960 where is it going to be?

00:37:29.820 Are they going to reach

00:37:31.080 thousands miles away?

00:37:33.160 They are going to be

00:37:33.840 in the region

00:37:34.280 and basically,

00:37:35.900 every country

00:37:36.580 in the region

00:37:37.060 are concerned

00:37:37.740 from such a step

00:37:39.580 because

00:37:40.100 it will affect

00:37:41.540 our security,

00:37:43.480 number one,

00:37:44.180 but also

00:37:44.840 for countries

00:37:46.240 like the U.S.,

00:37:46.900 it will affect

00:37:48.840 their security as well.

00:37:50.560 They have

00:37:51.100 a big stake

00:37:52.400 in that region,

00:37:53.680 whether it's

00:37:54.740 on military

00:37:55.540 bases,

00:37:57.460 whether it's

00:37:58.120 in energy facilities

00:37:59.180 in that region.

00:38:03.460 Economic interest.

00:38:06.340 Forget about everything.

00:38:07.600 Educational facilities.

00:38:10.020 So,

00:38:10.800 all those,

00:38:11.620 you know,

00:38:12.340 interests

00:38:13.900 will be affected

00:38:15.020 if

00:38:15.620 something,

00:38:17.080 God forbid,

00:38:18.020 erupts

00:38:18.400 in that region.

00:38:20.320 look,

00:38:23.100 we,

00:38:25.080 there is no way

00:38:26.520 that

00:38:28.520 Qatar

00:38:29.460 would,

00:38:32.600 you know,

00:38:33.160 support

00:38:33.880 any kind

00:38:34.760 of military

00:38:35.420 step

00:38:35.860 in that region.

00:38:38.220 And we will not

00:38:39.380 give up

00:38:39.900 until we see

00:38:40.940 a diplomatic solution

00:38:42.060 between the U.S.

00:38:43.100 and Iran.

00:38:43.760 This needs

00:38:44.380 to reach

00:38:45.480 to an agreement.

00:38:46.580 May I ask,

00:38:47.220 just going back a second,

00:38:48.060 you've said

00:38:49.840 that there's

00:38:50.560 the Iranian

00:38:51.120 nuclear facility

00:38:51.900 directly across

00:38:53.000 the water

00:38:53.440 from you.

00:38:54.480 If that were

00:38:55.560 blown up

00:38:56.760 and nuclear material

00:38:58.520 wound up

00:38:59.220 in the water

00:38:59.720 since it's

00:39:00.180 right on the water,

00:39:01.060 what would happen

00:39:01.560 to the water?

00:39:03.180 This would be

00:39:03.840 basically

00:39:04.740 entirely contaminated.

00:39:06.460 We have run

00:39:07.160 this exercise

00:39:08.040 of risk

00:39:08.620 in the country

00:39:09.300 a few years ago

00:39:10.260 before we bought,

00:39:11.500 before we built

00:39:12.500 our reservoirs.

00:39:14.080 We had

00:39:14.660 the water

00:39:15.780 that we use

00:39:16.480 for our people

00:39:17.340 is from

00:39:18.080 desalimation

00:39:18.680 and we don't

00:39:19.920 have rivers,

00:39:21.140 we don't have

00:39:21.860 water reserves

00:39:22.600 and basically

00:39:25.020 the country

00:39:25.940 would run out

00:39:26.580 of water

00:39:27.020 in three days.

00:39:28.780 The whole country?

00:39:29.460 The whole country.

00:39:31.100 Now,

00:39:31.520 after the reservoirs,

00:39:32.600 we increased

00:39:33.040 that capacity

00:39:33.740 and we are

00:39:34.420 keep increasing it.

00:39:36.260 But this is

00:39:37.400 not only applied

00:39:38.300 for Qatar.

00:39:40.340 This is applied

00:39:41.160 for Qatar,

00:39:41.760 this is applied

00:39:42.240 for Kuwait,

00:39:42.960 this is applied

00:39:43.480 for UAE.

00:39:44.260 it's all

00:39:46.460 of us

00:39:46.900 in that part.

00:39:50.940 So,

00:39:51.680 if that

00:39:52.660 nuclear site

00:39:54.000 gets blown up

00:39:55.100 and nuclear material

00:39:55.800 winds up

00:39:56.280 in the water,

00:39:56.900 none of those

00:39:57.540 countries have

00:39:58.120 water?

00:39:59.580 No water,

00:40:00.720 no fish,

00:40:02.620 nothing.

00:40:03.340 Like,

00:40:04.340 it has no life.

00:40:06.920 Oh,

00:40:07.300 so that would be

00:40:07.980 a history-changing

00:40:09.420 environmental catastrophe.

00:40:10.440 It is an

00:40:11.020 environmental catastrophe.

00:40:12.240 That's why I'm,

00:40:13.120 you know,

00:40:14.100 that's why I'm

00:40:14.600 telling you

00:40:14.980 that the position

00:40:16.960 of Qatar

00:40:18.440 in the map

00:40:19.180 and the region

00:40:22.140 with Iran,

00:40:24.220 a lot of people,

00:40:25.260 they don't even

00:40:26.420 understand it.

00:40:27.160 I remember

00:40:27.660 once I went

00:40:29.240 to,

00:40:30.180 you know,

00:40:33.060 visit the U.S.

00:40:33.920 Congress

00:40:34.220 and I was meeting

00:40:35.220 with one U.S.

00:40:36.320 senator

00:40:36.580 and we

00:40:38.540 were talking

00:40:39.060 and discussing

00:40:39.500 about Iran

00:40:40.220 and he said

00:40:42.640 basically

00:40:43.100 you don't have

00:40:44.080 you don't have

00:40:46.540 to deal with them

00:40:47.320 and I drew

00:40:48.940 for him

00:40:49.400 a map

00:40:49.780 on his desk.

00:40:52.320 For the first time

00:40:53.040 he realized

00:40:53.680 that

00:40:54.100 this is,

00:40:55.600 these two countries

00:40:56.300 are that close

00:40:57.260 to each other.

00:40:59.520 So,

00:41:00.180 there are a lot

00:41:00.720 who doesn't

00:41:01.500 see this region

00:41:02.840 as close,

00:41:04.480 you know,

00:41:05.400 to Iran

00:41:05.900 and like

00:41:06.420 it's too intertwined.

00:41:10.400 So,

00:41:10.900 they don't have

00:41:11.220 maps in the Senate?

00:41:12.640 No,

00:41:13.020 they do have maps

00:41:13.760 but probably

00:41:14.320 they don't know

00:41:14.840 how to spot Qatar.

00:41:18.120 We are very small.

00:41:21.080 Do you think,

00:41:22.520 I mean,

00:41:23.020 to the extent

00:41:23.300 you can say,

00:41:23.940 I should say

00:41:24.300 you're the prime minister

00:41:24.920 but you're also

00:41:25.340 the foreign minister

00:41:25.960 so you,

00:41:27.420 this is what you do

00:41:28.220 all day,

00:41:29.100 every day.

00:41:30.760 But to the extent

00:41:31.440 you can say,

00:41:32.260 do you think

00:41:32.960 that the Iranian

00:41:33.660 government

00:41:34.220 is willing

00:41:35.900 to de-escalate

00:41:37.680 through negotiation,

00:41:40.040 open up its nuclear sites

00:41:41.120 to international inspection

00:41:42.100 of some kind,

00:41:43.360 reassure the world

00:41:44.040 they're not two weeks away

00:41:44.980 from getting a bomb

00:41:45.680 as we read

00:41:46.240 practically every day

00:41:47.120 on the internet,

00:41:48.140 whether it's true or not.

00:41:49.320 I mean,

00:41:49.540 do you think

00:41:49.920 that's achievable?

00:41:51.320 Well,

00:41:52.120 I think it is achievable

00:41:53.160 and actually

00:41:53.920 all the engagement

00:41:54.980 that we had

00:41:55.800 with Iranian officials

00:41:57.440 as I mentioned to you

00:41:59.560 we were just there

00:42:04.320 a few days ago

00:42:05.200 actually

00:42:05.560 and engaging

00:42:06.120 with the president,

00:42:07.000 engaging with the

00:42:07.560 Supreme Leader,

00:42:08.180 with the foreign minister

00:42:08.980 over there

00:42:09.580 in order to find

00:42:10.900 a diplomatic solution

00:42:11.800 and basically

00:42:12.760 they are willing

00:42:14.400 to engage,

00:42:16.240 they are willing

00:42:16.700 to get

00:42:18.760 to a level

00:42:20.200 that creates

00:42:21.200 comforts

00:42:21.780 for everybody

00:42:22.300 and most importantly

00:42:24.820 they are focused

00:42:25.820 on lending

00:42:26.800 their relationship

00:42:27.460 with the region

00:42:28.080 and that's

00:42:28.920 something

00:42:30.080 in itself

00:42:31.340 it can create

00:42:33.040 a lot of progress

00:42:33.880 in every front

00:42:35.400 with Iran.

00:42:36.460 So I believe

00:42:37.100 there is an opportunity.

00:42:38.060 Now

00:42:38.660 we

00:42:41.500 you know

00:42:42.040 we come back

00:42:42.860 to the question

00:42:43.780 the chicken and egg

00:42:44.680 and the egg

00:42:45.580 which come first

00:42:46.760 I believe

00:42:48.020 we should forget

00:42:50.060 about these questions

00:42:51.200 and you know

00:42:52.100 get the parties together

00:42:53.300 start to understand

00:42:55.480 each other's concerns

00:42:56.460 and basically

00:42:58.200 if everything

00:42:59.320 is complying

00:43:00.060 with the international standards

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00:43:03.380 why we don't have a deal.

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00:45:49.660 in the United

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00:45:50.260 increasing

00:45:50.600 sanctions on

00:45:51.260 Iran.

00:45:52.880 I didn't know

00:45:53.600 that was

00:45:53.800 possible but

00:45:54.320 Iran has

00:45:54.720 been under

00:45:55.100 some form

00:45:55.940 of sanctions

00:45:56.340 for almost

00:45:56.700 50 years.

00:45:59.560 46 years I

00:46:00.480 think.

00:46:01.660 Have they

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00:46:04.100 intended goal?

00:46:05.200 and bigger

00:46:07.980 picture, have

00:46:08.560 you ever

00:46:08.940 seen sanctions

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00:46:11.920 achieve their

00:46:12.860 intended goal?

00:46:14.280 Look, this

00:46:15.160 issue is very

00:46:16.780 controversial.

00:46:18.580 First, as a

00:46:19.900 principle for my

00:46:21.420 country, for

00:46:22.080 state of Qatar,

00:46:23.420 we see unilateral

00:46:24.240 sanctions are

00:46:25.020 ineffective.

00:46:26.080 And it's

00:46:26.460 punishment of

00:46:27.080 punishing the

00:46:27.740 people, not

00:46:29.000 punishing a

00:46:30.080 country or

00:46:30.700 regime.

00:46:31.600 That's number

00:46:32.080 one.

00:46:32.100 They still have

00:46:32.540 the revolutionary

00:46:33.100 government from

00:46:33.760 1979 in power,

00:46:34.960 right?

00:46:35.200 Yeah.

00:46:35.800 I mean, if

00:46:36.540 it would lead

00:46:38.860 to a result,

00:46:39.960 we wouldn't

00:46:40.520 be in that

00:46:41.960 situation until

00:46:42.700 now.

00:46:42.920 Fidel Castro

00:46:43.460 died in

00:46:44.020 Havana after

00:46:45.640 50 years of

00:46:46.420 U.S.

00:46:46.760 sanctions.

00:46:47.280 So just

00:46:48.220 going back,

00:46:49.100 sanctions, what

00:46:49.860 does it create?

00:46:50.840 It pressures

00:46:51.160 the people,

00:46:52.460 it storms

00:46:52.820 them, it

00:46:54.100 creates black

00:46:54.700 markets, it

00:46:55.920 creates a

00:46:56.620 whole illegal

00:46:57.320 system.

00:46:58.960 If the

00:47:00.300 sanctions are

00:47:00.840 coming out of

00:47:01.500 the U.S.,

00:47:02.500 it actually

00:47:03.480 prevents all

00:47:04.580 the U.S.

00:47:05.340 interests or

00:47:06.260 companies to

00:47:07.840 have business

00:47:08.480 and lose the

00:47:09.420 opportunities for

00:47:10.220 other countries.

00:47:12.040 So I don't

00:47:13.380 see a world

00:47:14.000 where the

00:47:14.360 sanctions work.

00:47:16.580 Honestly, for

00:47:19.040 us, as I

00:47:20.080 told you, it's

00:47:20.900 a core principle

00:47:21.680 in our foreign

00:47:22.300 policy, we

00:47:22.840 refuse, we

00:47:23.920 don't support

00:47:25.780 sanctions at

00:47:26.640 all.

00:47:27.820 And sanctioning

00:47:29.020 countries I'm

00:47:29.600 talking about.

00:47:31.040 And sanctioning

00:47:31.820 countries is

00:47:32.720 just making

00:47:34.520 the situation

00:47:35.140 much worse.

00:47:36.220 Well, can I

00:47:36.460 just ask, so

00:47:37.060 three of the

00:47:37.540 biggest oil

00:47:37.940 producing countries

00:47:38.720 in the world,

00:47:40.400 Venezuela,

00:47:41.380 Russia, Iran,

00:47:42.540 have been under,

00:47:43.980 I mean, the

00:47:44.400 most extensive

00:47:44.960 sanctions in

00:47:45.720 history.

00:47:46.180 Yes.

00:47:47.460 They're still

00:47:47.980 selling oil,

00:47:48.640 though.

00:47:48.940 Oh, yeah.

00:47:50.400 Like a lot of

00:47:51.180 oil.

00:47:51.680 Yeah, much

00:47:52.060 better.

00:47:52.640 Yeah.

00:47:53.160 I think it's

00:47:54.560 mainly it's

00:47:58.980 sold in

00:47:59.580 different means,

00:48:00.560 in different

00:48:00.880 currencies.

00:48:02.160 And look,

00:48:03.800 Tucker, I

00:48:04.260 recall when

00:48:05.480 the Russian

00:48:07.820 sanction came

00:48:08.500 out at the

00:48:09.540 beginning,

00:48:09.980 beginning of

00:48:11.420 the war

00:48:11.820 between Russia

00:48:13.000 and Ukraine.

00:48:14.280 I had an

00:48:15.160 interview in

00:48:16.720 one of the

00:48:17.200 U.S.

00:48:17.900 media channels,

00:48:18.780 and I said

00:48:20.180 very clearly

00:48:20.760 that sanctions

00:48:22.760 will only

00:48:24.160 create a

00:48:25.220 parallel

00:48:25.680 marketplace

00:48:27.660 for other

00:48:30.120 currencies.

00:48:31.460 So the

00:48:32.760 dollar-dominated

00:48:33.780 international

00:48:34.960 currency, you

00:48:36.580 will start to

00:48:37.260 see people

00:48:37.840 moving, countries

00:48:38.760 moving away

00:48:39.440 from that.

00:48:40.300 Yes.

00:48:40.780 By the time.

00:48:42.180 So it won't

00:48:43.020 benefit.

00:48:44.460 It won't

00:48:44.940 benefit, it

00:48:47.140 won't get you

00:48:47.760 what you want.

00:48:49.080 It's the

00:48:49.420 contrary.

00:48:50.620 That's

00:48:51.100 basically what's

00:48:53.020 been, you

00:48:53.700 know,

00:48:54.160 at the end,

00:48:55.840 like any

00:48:56.440 country, like

00:48:57.020 Venezuela, for

00:48:57.800 example, or

00:48:58.440 Iran, they

00:48:58.940 need to

00:48:59.260 survive, they

00:48:59.820 need to

00:49:00.100 feed their

00:49:00.460 people, they

00:49:00.980 need to

00:49:01.540 get, you

00:49:03.000 know, at

00:49:03.640 least the

00:49:04.000 basic

00:49:04.240 requirements

00:49:04.940 that they

00:49:06.020 want.

00:49:07.020 They will

00:49:07.560 find ways to

00:49:08.200 sell their

00:49:09.020 oils, they

00:49:10.260 will find

00:49:10.700 ways to

00:49:11.180 use other

00:49:11.660 currencies, they

00:49:12.740 will find

00:49:13.140 markets who

00:49:13.760 will accept

00:49:14.180 them, and

00:49:15.940 you know,

00:49:16.700 selling them

00:49:17.360 and buying

00:49:17.820 from them.

00:49:18.320 And that's

00:49:20.800 basically you

00:49:21.460 created like a

00:49:22.760 parallel markets.

00:49:24.740 And that's

00:49:25.440 what I've been

00:49:26.720 saying.

00:49:27.320 So you cut

00:49:28.180 out U.S.

00:49:28.740 countries, you

00:49:29.320 weaken the U.S.

00:49:30.260 dollar, you

00:49:31.000 make the

00:49:31.880 country more

00:49:32.440 repressive,

00:49:33.880 inevitably, but

00:49:35.260 you don't

00:49:35.800 dislodge the

00:49:36.540 leadership, whether

00:49:37.420 it's Putin,

00:49:38.980 Chavez

00:49:39.240 Maduro, the

00:49:40.240 Ayatollahs in

00:49:40.760 Iran, Fidel

00:49:42.060 Castro, and you

00:49:43.900 don't prevent

00:49:44.380 them from selling

00:49:44.960 their oil in

00:49:45.440 international

00:49:45.800 markets.

00:49:46.240 So why

00:49:46.860 exactly would

00:49:47.560 you levy

00:49:47.980 sanctions?

00:49:48.360 Honestly, look,

00:49:49.200 from at least

00:49:50.340 my humble

00:49:51.560 experience looking

00:49:52.420 at all those

00:49:53.380 sanctioned

00:49:53.860 countries, in

00:49:55.880 the last, let's

00:49:57.040 say, you

00:49:57.980 know, I always

00:49:58.820 like to talk

00:49:59.440 about my

00:49:59.920 tenor and

00:50:00.800 diplomacy, which

00:50:01.720 is ten years.

00:50:02.440 In the last

00:50:02.800 ten years, I've

00:50:03.460 seen a lot of

00:50:03.980 sanctions floating

00:50:04.760 around on a lot

00:50:06.020 of countries.

00:50:07.820 None of these

00:50:08.520 sanctions has

00:50:09.320 achieved the

00:50:09.760 results that's

00:50:10.760 intended for.

00:50:12.700 I mean, I

00:50:13.160 think that's

00:50:13.460 true.

00:50:13.740 It's not an

00:50:14.180 ideological point.

00:50:14.900 I think that's

00:50:15.660 factually true,

00:50:16.600 right?

00:50:16.880 It is

00:50:17.280 factually true,

00:50:17.920 yeah.

00:50:18.260 So why do

00:50:19.160 we keep doing

00:50:20.820 it?

00:50:21.100 Just, you

00:50:21.640 know, if you

00:50:23.020 go and name

00:50:23.960 a single

00:50:24.640 country that

00:50:26.040 has a

00:50:27.440 regime change

00:50:28.100 or an

00:50:30.840 entire behavior

00:50:32.380 change to the

00:50:33.240 good because

00:50:34.620 of sanction,

00:50:35.560 you will not

00:50:36.020 find any.

00:50:40.140 Okay, so

00:50:40.860 again, I don't

00:50:42.900 think what you're

00:50:43.360 saying should be

00:50:43.940 controversial because

00:50:44.540 it's provable.

00:50:45.600 Yeah.

00:50:45.900 Go to

00:50:46.120 Wikipedia.

00:50:46.940 Yeah.

00:50:48.280 So why, I

00:50:49.980 mean, just, I

00:50:51.000 think this morning I

00:50:51.800 was reading, we're

00:50:52.360 going to sanction

00:50:53.020 this person more.

00:50:55.540 There's got to be

00:50:56.200 some reason that the

00:50:57.360 U.S.

00:50:57.680 Congress and

00:50:58.340 various administrations

00:50:59.300 have continued to

00:51:00.060 want to do this,

00:51:01.060 even though there's

00:51:01.920 absolute proof that

00:51:04.160 it doesn't work.

00:51:05.400 What would be the

00:51:06.280 reason to do it?

00:51:07.500 Well, look, as I

00:51:08.480 told you, you know,

00:51:09.180 when, you know,

00:51:11.060 some, I don't

00:51:11.960 know, honestly,

00:51:12.720 we can ask this

00:51:13.860 question more for

00:51:14.940 U.S., you know,

00:51:16.500 legislator and

00:51:17.360 policymakers, but

00:51:18.360 I think from my

00:51:21.040 perspective, this is

00:51:22.000 when you have,

00:51:23.740 like, if you don't

00:51:25.840 talk to the other

00:51:26.620 party, if you

00:51:29.000 don't want to use

00:51:30.120 military, which is

00:51:31.660 something that we

00:51:32.880 never advise for,

00:51:34.520 the only tool will

00:51:36.040 be, will remain in

00:51:36.980 your hand is

00:51:37.720 sanctioned to show

00:51:39.180 power and to show

00:51:39.980 leverage, which

00:51:40.860 some people, they

00:51:42.420 think that this is

00:51:43.280 leverage and power,

00:51:44.320 which is not.

00:51:46.520 Well, it doesn't

00:51:47.220 seem to be.

00:51:48.040 No.

00:51:48.620 Power is measurable,

00:51:49.940 right?

00:51:50.520 Actually, look, as,

00:51:53.040 you know, just, you

00:51:55.760 know, if you go

00:51:56.400 through every, like,

00:51:57.660 every sanctioned

00:51:58.480 countries, it never

00:52:00.200 achieved the objective.

00:52:01.040 That's what I want to

00:52:02.140 say.

00:52:02.560 Yeah.

00:52:03.080 I think that's

00:52:05.080 true.

00:52:06.340 Um, how does

00:52:09.460 the Ukraine war

00:52:10.400 end, do you

00:52:11.380 think?

00:52:12.900 Well, look, you

00:52:14.540 know, there is

00:52:16.440 lesson that history

00:52:18.040 taught us, that

00:52:20.720 there is no war

00:52:21.700 started with one

00:52:25.860 of the parties

00:52:26.460 wants the war.

00:52:27.280 Always two parties,

00:52:28.380 they don't want the

00:52:29.080 war, and they end

00:52:30.140 up in a war.

00:52:31.760 And there is no

00:52:32.740 war ended without

00:52:35.340 a negotiation.

00:52:36.340 around the

00:52:37.220 negotiation table

00:52:38.080 to find a

00:52:38.980 peaceful solution.

00:52:41.660 How, despite

00:52:43.140 how long it

00:52:43.760 took.

00:52:45.180 So, this war

00:52:46.220 will end at the

00:52:47.020 end of the day

00:52:47.760 around the

00:52:49.680 negotiations.

00:52:50.460 Now, if you

00:52:52.000 look at the

00:52:53.580 recent efforts

00:52:54.340 that President

00:52:55.580 Trump is doing

00:52:56.920 and together

00:52:59.040 with the

00:52:59.640 kingdom of

00:53:00.120 Saudi, I

00:53:01.440 believe this is

00:53:02.100 the right direction,

00:53:03.000 the right path

00:53:03.640 forward.

00:53:04.200 war, because

00:53:05.320 you know, we

00:53:07.540 were like, when

00:53:08.920 the war started

00:53:09.840 as a state of

00:53:12.020 Qatar, we

00:53:13.120 always like, you

00:53:14.060 know, express

00:53:15.620 our willingness to

00:53:18.380 help, to support,

00:53:19.440 if there is any

00:53:21.060 chance for

00:53:21.480 mediation.

00:53:22.740 We looked at it,

00:53:23.880 it's something far

00:53:24.720 away, it's in

00:53:25.360 Europe.

00:53:25.960 Yet, we have some

00:53:27.300 experience in

00:53:28.000 mediation, which is

00:53:29.080 a track record that we

00:53:30.220 have built throughout

00:53:30.940 the year.

00:53:32.300 And we saw that

00:53:33.360 this conflict is too

00:53:34.320 complicated, we

00:53:35.140 tried to break it

00:53:36.860 down to smaller

00:53:38.360 mediation efforts, and

00:53:39.620 we were working on

00:53:40.620 the children file, for

00:53:41.880 example, Russian and

00:53:42.900 Ukrainian children,

00:53:43.620 bringing them back to

00:53:44.400 their families.

00:53:45.980 We were working on

00:53:47.360 the energy file, but

00:53:48.540 unfortunately, it

00:53:49.460 didn't work out.

00:53:52.640 In order to build a

00:53:54.660 foundation for, you

00:53:56.660 know, someone like

00:53:58.640 President Trump to

00:53:59.480 come and to

00:54:00.600 broker a peace

00:54:02.200 deal.

00:54:03.320 I believe it is

00:54:04.340 the moment.

00:54:04.960 I believe that the

00:54:06.040 steps that's being

00:54:06.820 taken are the

00:54:07.600 right steps.

00:54:08.920 And basically, the

00:54:10.060 way it ends, it

00:54:10.940 should be the way

00:54:11.920 that it addresses

00:54:14.080 both countries'

00:54:14.900 concerns.

00:54:16.060 I think that the

00:54:19.100 Ukrainians have

00:54:19.740 legitimate concerns

00:54:20.600 that they need to

00:54:21.460 address, and the

00:54:22.360 Russians have

00:54:22.880 legitimate concerns

00:54:23.640 that the

00:54:24.340 Ukrainians need to

00:54:25.000 address.

00:54:25.980 And I believe this

00:54:26.940 will never

00:54:27.700 reach a solution

00:54:30.040 unless there

00:54:32.120 is some, you

00:54:33.500 know, direct

00:54:36.240 talks between

00:54:37.440 them, and

00:54:38.980 also some

00:54:41.740 demonstration of

00:54:43.620 support from the

00:54:44.780 partners of both

00:54:46.640 Ukraine and

00:54:47.180 Russia, that they

00:54:48.580 need to put an end

00:54:49.320 for this, and they

00:54:50.080 need to understand

00:54:50.860 each other's

00:54:51.400 concern, and they

00:54:52.040 need to take them

00:54:52.660 into consideration.

00:54:54.260 And the

00:54:54.880 partners' role is to

00:54:56.540 give them the

00:54:57.060 assurances and the

00:54:57.920 comfort that those

00:54:59.780 considerations will be

00:55:00.780 taken seriously.

00:55:02.840 I hate to say it, but

00:55:03.680 I think Russia's

00:55:04.380 partners are probably

00:55:05.320 willing to express

00:55:07.500 support for a

00:55:08.800 settlement.

00:55:09.180 I don't know if

00:55:09.920 Ukraine's are, and

00:55:10.920 that would be Europe,

00:55:12.120 Great Britain, and

00:55:14.000 Western Europe.

00:55:14.860 And, I mean, you

00:55:15.680 just saw the prime

00:55:16.220 minister of Britain

00:55:18.340 say the other day,

00:55:19.280 we're going to send

00:55:20.020 British troops to

00:55:21.660 Ukraine.

00:55:21.980 Well, it's, you

00:55:24.200 know, at the end of

00:55:25.020 the day, as I told

00:55:25.920 you, it's an issue

00:55:28.120 between Russia and

00:55:28.880 Ukraine, and they

00:55:29.940 need to address it

00:55:32.360 themselves.

00:55:32.940 They need to get the

00:55:34.320 assurances that, you

00:55:36.640 know, both countries

00:55:37.780 need.

00:55:41.080 I think that within,

00:55:42.840 even within the EU,

00:55:44.240 not everyone is sharing

00:55:45.480 the same opinion, I

00:55:46.580 believe.

00:55:47.000 But at the end of the

00:55:47.840 day, they will come

00:55:48.620 down to a conclusion

00:55:50.680 that this issue needs

00:55:52.040 to be settled

00:55:52.700 peacefully, and this

00:55:54.140 issue needs to take

00:55:55.100 into consideration

00:55:55.760 everyone's concern.

00:55:57.920 You participated in

00:56:00.740 a successful ceasefire

00:56:03.080 between Israel and

00:56:05.960 Gaza, and who knows

00:56:08.100 if that lasts.

00:56:09.600 I mean, I don't know

00:56:10.000 when this is going to

00:56:10.500 air, so I don't even

00:56:11.080 want to speculate.

00:56:12.560 But clearly, it's been

00:56:14.520 awful for everybody.

00:56:16.040 It's certainly been

00:56:16.860 awful for Gaza.

00:56:17.500 It's been awful for

00:56:18.160 its neighbors.

00:56:19.020 I think it's been

00:56:19.600 really bad for Israel.

00:56:20.540 I mean, it's just kind

00:56:21.440 of hard to see an

00:56:21.860 upside.

00:56:23.640 So, how would you, if

00:56:26.180 you were in charge, fix

00:56:27.460 this, you know, 80-year-old

00:56:30.520 conflict for good?

00:56:34.660 It's going back to the

00:56:37.360 basics.

00:56:38.420 You know, if you look

00:56:43.060 at the history since

00:56:45.900 Madrid declaration,

00:56:47.500 in the 90s, where Israel

00:56:52.220 needed to be integrated

00:56:54.000 in the region, economic

00:56:56.280 normalization should

00:56:58.500 happen between the

00:56:59.640 countries in the region,

00:57:00.520 and a political horizon

00:57:04.660 for the Palestinians to

00:57:06.120 establish their own state

00:57:07.680 on the borders of 1967,

00:57:10.100 which is according to the

00:57:11.720 security council resolutions.

00:57:15.200 Since that time, until

00:57:17.220 today, we didn't see

00:57:19.360 anything, but the

00:57:20.440 situation is going

00:57:21.220 backward.

00:57:22.440 More settlements, more

00:57:24.800 violence, more, you know,

00:57:29.600 policies which are

00:57:30.720 destructive for the

00:57:31.800 Palestinians, unfortunately.

00:57:33.080 And basically, we are

00:57:37.940 expecting from the

00:57:39.780 Palestinians, you know,

00:57:41.500 just to obey, to stay

00:57:43.700 quiet, and not, you know,

00:57:46.600 there will not, never be

00:57:47.960 anything instigated.

00:57:49.520 This is normal, you know,

00:57:53.040 when you have, you know,

00:57:55.700 a situation that's lasting

00:57:58.060 that long, to have this

00:58:00.820 kind of turbulence all the

00:58:02.080 time.

00:58:02.820 And I'm not talking here

00:58:04.120 about 7th of October, I'm

00:58:05.700 talking about the entire

00:58:06.760 period.

00:58:09.160 How many wars we had?

00:58:11.300 We had a lot of them.

00:58:13.600 A lot of people, we hear

00:58:14.940 them saying that we need

00:58:16.680 to try something new.

00:58:19.640 We need to try things

00:58:20.820 that we are not even, you

00:58:24.100 know, thinking about.

00:58:26.180 Yes, we agree.

00:58:28.240 The two-state solution.

00:58:29.760 We've been talking about,

00:58:30.780 we never tried this.

00:58:32.960 Have we ever tried this

00:58:34.280 and didn't work?

00:58:36.620 Does this country that's

00:58:38.900 established next to Israel

00:58:41.100 will be a threat for

00:58:42.360 Israel?

00:58:42.660 It's a threat as long as

00:58:45.660 it's not a country.

00:58:49.460 And we said that we are

00:58:50.980 willing to provide security

00:58:52.100 guarantees for Israel.

00:58:53.500 We, all of us, we will be

00:58:56.880 integrated together as one

00:58:59.040 region.

00:59:00.240 And demilitarize Palestinian

00:59:01.620 state, even.

00:59:03.360 So it's not even like, you

00:59:05.200 know, fully independent.

00:59:07.440 Not even a real country.

00:59:08.600 Yeah.

00:59:08.740 It's demilitarized.

00:59:09.880 So it's, it's basically like

00:59:12.340 everything you are offering

00:59:14.260 and in exchange, we all, we

00:59:17.240 were always like, you know,

00:59:19.380 either because of their

00:59:20.640 political situation in

00:59:21.880 Israel, like we were always

00:59:23.460 faced by rejections.

00:59:26.100 There were just few leaders

00:59:27.500 in Israel who had the

00:59:29.900 courage to come out and to

00:59:31.840 say that this is, this is the

00:59:34.500 only solution.

00:59:35.340 This is the only way forward.

00:59:36.480 But in the last few years, we

00:59:39.180 didn't see any of them.

00:59:42.660 Do you think Donald Trump can

00:59:44.860 force a Palestinian state?

00:59:47.220 I think, you know, look,

00:59:48.840 President Trump, he's, he's a

00:59:50.380 great dealmaker.

00:59:51.140 He's a great businessman.

00:59:52.220 He's very successful.

00:59:53.240 He made, brokered many deals

00:59:55.480 around the world during the first

00:59:57.580 administration.

00:59:58.260 And I believe if we will have

01:00:02.120 peace one day, this is the best

01:00:04.360 opportunity for us with someone

01:00:05.760 like President Trump.

01:00:09.080 Are you, is Qatar at net zero?

01:00:11.640 I know there was some enthusiasm

01:00:13.020 on making sure you got to net

01:00:14.220 zero.

01:00:15.900 Well, if you see, you know, the

01:00:18.100 largest exporter of LNG at net

01:00:20.140 zero, I think there is something

01:00:21.460 happening wrong.

01:00:24.240 Does that mean you're dead if you're

01:00:25.600 at net zero?

01:00:25.960 We are, look, we are, we are

01:00:28.680 committed, first of all, that, you

01:00:31.320 know.

01:00:32.720 Wait, aren't you supposed to pretend

01:00:33.880 you're getting to net zero?

01:00:35.940 Look, I'm not, I'm not, you know,

01:00:37.820 going to pretend anything that I'm

01:00:40.580 not going to do, but the gas has

01:00:44.780 proven that it is the most important

01:00:47.660 reliable baseload source of energy

01:00:50.320 for the next century, maybe.

01:00:52.600 So, and the gas is much cleaner than a

01:00:58.240 lot of other energy resources.

01:01:01.720 And it's benefiting the environment,

01:01:04.180 benefiting a lot of countries,

01:01:05.560 switching from coal to gas.

01:01:07.720 And that's what we are producing.

01:01:09.240 That's what we are focusing on.

01:01:11.180 Now, countries who were just, you

01:01:14.000 know, rushing to get to net zero and

01:01:16.040 trying to impose some, you know, green

01:01:19.900 policies that are not realistic, they

01:01:22.260 are attracting from those policies

01:01:23.680 now.

01:01:24.860 Yeah.

01:01:25.360 You see them like, you know, some of

01:01:28.400 them, they are going back to coal.

01:01:30.500 Well, they're also on the verge of

01:01:31.780 revolution in some cases because they

01:01:33.520 destroyed the lives of their people.

01:01:34.940 So it's, it's basically, also, it's

01:01:37.780 not fair when you try to impose, you

01:01:42.600 know, these kinds of regulations in

01:01:44.260 countries that they have their

01:01:45.780 resources not, not being developed, not

01:01:48.140 being exploited.

01:01:49.580 And they have no electricity even, like

01:01:52.420 Africa, for example.

01:01:53.660 And you want to make sure that no,

01:01:55.460 everything there is green, there's

01:01:56.860 everything to reach net zero, and you

01:01:59.260 are not allowed to come and to exploit

01:02:01.820 your energy.

01:02:03.280 But they don't have electricity.

01:02:07.360 So the whole concept, I think it's,

01:02:10.860 right now, there is a lot of debate.

01:02:12.500 There is a lot of, you know, argument

01:02:14.700 about it.

01:02:15.520 And I'm not sure if the world will be

01:02:17.940 able to achieve it.

01:02:18.740 Look, we understand the danger of the

01:02:20.960 climate.

01:02:22.060 We understand the danger of the climate

01:02:24.180 change.

01:02:25.160 But it doesn't mean that we shoot

01:02:27.020 ourselves on the foot.

01:02:28.660 We need to think about it wisely.

01:02:30.600 We need to think about it gradually.

01:02:32.620 And look, Tucker, honestly, maybe I

01:02:37.840 told you in a separate meeting that,

01:02:41.180 you know, the pyramid of the needs of

01:02:46.780 the people, first security, then food

01:02:52.500 and water, then health, energy,

01:02:58.400 education, education, strong economy,

01:03:02.040 and then climate change and the

01:03:03.840 environment.

01:03:04.920 So we are living in a region that

01:03:06.840 barely handling the three, like, the

01:03:10.480 three layers of foundation.

01:03:14.240 And people like coming and, you know,

01:03:17.540 trying to impose on us the tip of

01:03:19.900 that.

01:03:20.760 We need to make sure that our

01:03:22.080 neighbors, our surroundings are

01:03:23.400 secured.

01:03:25.240 We need to ensure that they are fed.

01:03:27.480 We need to ensure that they have

01:03:28.900 enough health care.

01:03:29.960 We need to ensure that they have a

01:03:31.320 good education.

01:03:32.280 We need to make sure that they have

01:03:33.440 energy, access to energy in the first

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01:05:03.040 It does seem like things have changed just

01:05:10.260 in the past six months, partly because of the

01:05:14.900 electricity needs of AI, of EVs, all the stuff

01:05:17.960 baked in the cake, the clear limits of

01:05:20.720 renewables, like they can't actually run a

01:05:22.540 modern society.

01:05:23.220 That's all obvious now.

01:05:25.180 And so a lot of investment funds and politicians

01:05:27.780 have sort of pulled back from the net zero theology.

01:05:32.360 But what's amazing to me is that it seems like some of

01:05:35.520 them really believed it.

01:05:37.800 I mean, in the case of Qatar, you're opening up a new

01:05:41.580 gas field.

01:05:43.040 And I think some, like even energy people laughed at you

01:05:46.620 and said that there's kind of no future for gas.

01:05:49.120 Yeah.

01:05:50.500 Well, look.

01:05:51.340 Why did they say that?

01:05:53.840 This actually happened to us twice.

01:05:57.180 Once when we started

01:05:58.480 the gas exploitation,

01:05:59.840 it wasn't

01:06:01.040 yet the future of the energy.

01:06:03.840 At that time, this was back

01:06:05.360 in the early 90s.

01:06:07.000 And we took the risk.

01:06:11.740 Qatar was in a totally different economic situation

01:06:15.020 at that time.

01:06:16.300 We took a great risk.

01:06:17.720 We put a lot of, you know, pressure on the country

01:06:21.880 and the needs of the country.

01:06:23.820 And apparently, the LNG picked up and became

01:06:28.140 one of the main sources.

01:06:30.580 Then, at the peak of the net zero and the green agenda,

01:06:36.620 we announced the expansion of our production,

01:06:39.420 which was back in 2018.

01:06:41.820 And we decided to go on to invest.

01:06:45.100 And at that time,

01:06:47.660 you can read reports from the IMF, for example,

01:06:52.440 that a lot of countries will end up with a lot of oil and gas,

01:06:59.200 but with no money,

01:07:00.740 because they will have no countries to sell the gas to war.

01:07:03.980 They will have no markets to sell their oil to.

01:07:09.640 And this was just in 2018.

01:07:12.340 And, like, everyone was panicked.

01:07:13.800 In the same year,

01:07:15.680 we have announced that we are going to expand

01:07:17.600 our gas field production.

01:07:19.900 And we are hoping to double it by 2030.

01:07:23.560 So, from 77 million cubic ton,

01:07:26.360 which was peaked in 2011

01:07:27.880 and continued being sustained until today,

01:07:30.080 by 2030, we will reach 144.

01:07:34.780 And that's basically will be the biggest.

01:07:39.540 So, there was a projection in 2018

01:07:41.680 that no one would want to buy your natural gas.

01:07:44.520 After 2050.

01:07:46.500 Who made that?

01:07:48.100 I mean, that's like...

01:07:48.580 That's the IMF report, actually.

01:07:50.160 It's not a projection for Qatar,

01:07:51.820 but it was for the entire GCSE.

01:07:54.120 And basically...

01:07:54.800 That's so far out of whack with observable reality.

01:07:57.500 Like, that's insane, obviously.

01:07:59.480 It's not...

01:08:00.020 It wasn't...

01:08:01.120 I mean, like,

01:08:02.120 we had the debate about this

01:08:04.080 within our government at that time.

01:08:06.920 And we didn't believe it.

01:08:09.300 We have seen that

01:08:10.680 the requirement for the energy

01:08:13.060 will just increase.

01:08:14.280 We were watching the revolution

01:08:16.000 in a lot of technologies.

01:08:18.420 And we have seen that

01:08:21.140 whether it's the green hydrogen,

01:08:24.760 the blue hydrogen,

01:08:26.100 the renewables,

01:08:27.720 all of them,

01:08:28.460 they cannot never be cost-effective

01:08:30.340 in the next 10, 15 years.

01:08:34.480 And maybe more.

01:08:36.400 And they will not be enough.

01:08:37.900 The base load,

01:08:38.600 you will always need an energy mix.

01:08:40.340 And the base load of this mix

01:08:41.720 will be the LNG,

01:08:42.760 which will remain always the gas.

01:08:43.800 So, that was obvious

01:08:46.240 to just interested non-experts like me

01:08:49.520 or just people who read about it

01:08:51.160 like on the side.

01:08:54.500 But the IMF researchers

01:08:56.600 and, you know,

01:08:58.120 energy analysts

01:08:59.040 who came up with this projection,

01:09:00.260 do you think they really believed it?

01:09:01.780 Well, I don't know, honestly.

01:09:03.200 I mean, we were like...

01:09:05.040 At the beginning

01:09:05.720 when we have seen these reports,

01:09:07.660 we were just questioning

01:09:09.800 why they are doing that.

01:09:11.480 But it was like part of the global

01:09:14.160 sustainability agenda.

01:09:16.940 And probably this is an idea

01:09:19.600 that all international organizations

01:09:21.760 agreed to promote.

01:09:22.800 And basically,

01:09:23.880 it's the same thing.

01:09:25.000 Like, you know,

01:09:25.660 when it comes to those organizations,

01:09:29.340 you always see a common agenda item

01:09:30.940 that everyone is advocating

01:09:32.480 toward the same direction.

01:09:33.880 Look, we have nothing...

01:09:34.480 So, they're lying to you

01:09:35.580 in order to keep you from...

01:09:36.480 We have nothing against, you know,

01:09:38.880 the green and the climate change.

01:09:40.420 It's something that all of us,

01:09:42.320 we need for our survival,

01:09:43.660 for our planet, yes.

01:09:45.640 But also,

01:09:46.560 we need to be realistic

01:09:47.440 in our approach.

01:09:48.460 We need to make sure

01:09:49.240 that this progress

01:09:51.680 is not harming us.

01:09:54.220 It's benefiting us.

01:09:55.240 It's not because

01:09:56.280 we want to make sure

01:09:58.040 that the planet lasts forever,

01:10:01.780 that our people

01:10:03.420 doesn't last forever.

01:10:04.840 I mean, it's basically...

01:10:06.620 It's really a miscalculation.

01:10:08.520 Now, another example

01:10:10.220 I want to give you,

01:10:12.160 like, for example,

01:10:13.120 in our partnership

01:10:13.840 with the U.S.

01:10:14.480 in the gas area,

01:10:16.700 we have...

01:10:19.360 During, you know,

01:10:20.920 the time before,

01:10:21.820 like, the fracking

01:10:22.580 and shell gas in the U.S.,

01:10:27.200 we were supplying the U.S.

01:10:29.160 with energy

01:10:29.980 at a certain point of time,

01:10:31.900 and we built this,

01:10:33.460 what's so called

01:10:33.940 the Golden Pass

01:10:34.760 gas in Texas

01:10:36.140 in order to be

01:10:36.960 a receiving terminal

01:10:37.780 for the gas.

01:10:40.720 During President Trump's time

01:10:42.740 in the first administration,

01:10:44.820 we signed with him,

01:10:45.900 we signed during

01:10:46.780 his administration

01:10:47.500 to make it

01:10:48.120 as a sending terminal.

01:10:49.260 So, all the gas,

01:10:50.900 the U.S. gas,

01:10:52.340 will be exported

01:10:54.140 through that terminal,

01:10:55.580 which is a partnership

01:10:56.740 between Qatar Energy

01:10:57.900 and ExxonMobil.

01:10:58.960 So, to explain,

01:10:59.580 you take natural gas

01:11:00.400 out of the ground,

01:11:01.160 it's often found with oil,

01:11:02.120 but then you have

01:11:03.420 to basically freeze it

01:11:05.300 and make it,

01:11:07.260 convert it to a liquid state

01:11:08.460 in order to ship it

01:11:09.220 across the ocean.

01:11:09.980 Yes.

01:11:10.780 So, LNG is

01:11:11.660 liquefied natural gas.

01:11:12.500 That's what you're talking about.

01:11:13.400 Liquefied natural gas, yes.

01:11:14.680 And then you have,

01:11:16.620 also, beside that,

01:11:17.980 during the same meeting

01:11:20.200 when,

01:11:21.680 during the previous administration

01:11:23.160 with President Trump,

01:11:24.220 the first one,

01:11:25.400 we have signed

01:11:26.100 the largest,

01:11:27.180 single largest

01:11:28.080 petrochemical plant

01:11:29.420 in the world.

01:11:30.000 It's called

01:11:31.520 the Golden Triangle,

01:11:32.820 which hopefully

01:11:33.660 will be online

01:11:34.640 very soon.

01:11:35.360 And that's what

01:11:36.040 will provide

01:11:36.720 the basic feedstock

01:11:39.520 for all the industries

01:11:40.600 in the United States,

01:11:42.160 which is

01:11:43.220 the polymers.

01:11:45.060 And this is also

01:11:46.360 a partnership

01:11:46.940 between Qatar Energy

01:11:47.940 and U.S. companies.

01:11:49.500 I mean, looking back,

01:11:50.240 I think we can

01:11:50.820 be a little bit more

01:11:52.860 critical

01:11:54.820 and try to understand

01:11:56.280 what the green agenda

01:11:57.460 was

01:11:58.040 or net zero was.

01:12:00.760 But no one ever

01:12:01.800 explained,

01:12:02.420 without natural gas,

01:12:03.600 how are you going

01:12:04.260 to get fertilizer

01:12:05.020 and plastic?

01:12:06.540 Did anyone ever

01:12:07.120 explain that to you?

01:12:08.040 No, they have no answers.

01:12:09.480 Even, I mean,

01:12:10.140 look,

01:12:10.480 even people

01:12:12.000 with,

01:12:13.420 like,

01:12:13.820 who are adopting

01:12:14.660 the green agenda

01:12:16.580 when they are

01:12:17.540 talking about

01:12:18.060 electricity,

01:12:18.720 for example,

01:12:19.380 generating electricity

01:12:20.340 from green energy,

01:12:21.880 green resources,

01:12:23.480 those electricity

01:12:24.140 will need batteries.

01:12:25.580 Batteries will need

01:12:26.240 lithiums

01:12:27.160 for the AVs.

01:12:28.000 this lithium,

01:12:29.500 when you mine

01:12:30.000 those lithium,

01:12:31.080 what is the effect

01:12:31.800 on the environment?

01:12:33.220 Oh, I know.

01:12:34.280 And,

01:12:34.920 if you calculate it,

01:12:36.860 it's much worse

01:12:38.120 for the planet

01:12:39.200 and for the land

01:12:40.660 than the oil

01:12:41.960 and the gas

01:12:42.480 combined.

01:12:43.840 And maybe from

01:12:44.820 the coal as well.

01:12:46.420 So,

01:12:47.740 it wasn't really

01:12:49.500 well thought of.

01:12:50.460 it was something

01:12:53.180 that I believe

01:12:54.940 was,

01:12:56.720 you know,

01:12:57.100 taken to a direction

01:12:58.440 doesn't serve

01:13:01.200 the interest

01:13:01.680 of the entire world.

01:13:04.340 Does it make you

01:13:05.320 nervous

01:13:05.640 that the smartest,

01:13:06.420 most powerful people

01:13:07.200 in the world

01:13:07.740 could jump to conclusions

01:13:09.040 they didn't think through

01:13:10.260 without evidence,

01:13:12.140 that they could

01:13:12.700 just say something

01:13:13.920 was true

01:13:14.340 without knowing

01:13:15.940 it was true

01:13:16.540 and thinking

01:13:17.080 through the consequences?

01:13:17.960 I mean,

01:13:19.160 it seems like

01:13:19.620 a kind of mass insanity

01:13:20.880 that took over

01:13:21.680 the world.

01:13:23.220 It keeps us

01:13:23.880 up all night.

01:13:25.260 It does,

01:13:25.820 does it?

01:13:26.280 Yeah.

01:13:28.620 Me too.

01:13:29.900 Mr. Prime Minister,

01:13:30.460 thank you very much.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - March 07, 2025

War With Iran？ The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It

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