We Followed the World’s Deadliest Illegal Mass Migration Route. Here Is What We Found.
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In this episode, we re joined by the founders of the documentary The Trail of Migrants to talk about their journey to becoming the first Americans to travel across the Atlantic Ocean on a boat from Africa to the West Coast of the United States.
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So I just love the idea of this documentary so much,
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where you actually go to the places along the trail of migration into the West.
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We started in Mauritania, and then we went to the Canary Islands,
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But, you know, so does Spain, the Canary Islands.
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And we went to mainland Spain, to France, and the United Kingdom.
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And that is the launch point where a lot of these so-called migrants leave on boat
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But Mauritania nowadays is the main launch point.
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They sort of come from all over the Sahal and Maghreb up north.
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And then from south, they'll come from like Sierra Leone.
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And it's also geographically situated near the Canary Islands, so it's convenient.
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But they also leave from countries like Senegal or, like, I think they leave from Jordan sometimes.
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It's kind of crazy, though, that you as an American and your brother also,
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just two Americans, can know exactly how this works.
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And somehow you know the migrant route and the means of transporting hundreds of thousands,
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Yeah, well, we've been studying this for a while.
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We studied this very intensively here in the United States.
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As I said to you earlier off camera, you know, we were the first Americans, as far as I'm aware.
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I mean, somebody could contact me if this is incorrect, but I'm not aware of anybody else that's done it.
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We were the first Americans to go from South America, from Ecuador to the U.S. border.
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And when you look at what's going on in Europe, a lot of the same organizations are running the show out there as well.
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And so if you know, okay, you just read the news.
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From there, it's not really that difficult to start putting it together.
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And, you know, as long as you know what NGOs to go check out, you know what questions to ask, you'll figure it out.
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I think in the minds of most Americans, certainly our view of immigration is from Latin America to the United States.
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It's like starts with Mexican farm workers and then it's all about America.
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And then when we think of Europe, we think of refugees from the Syrian wars, you know, Muslims from the Levant.
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And, but African migration is like a lot of it from the most violent continent in the world.
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So I can't just be like, well, it's just like this one group, right?
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So it's many people, you know, I would say, you know, at the highest level, like if we're looking at this from an airplane,
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it really is the populations, the native populations of Europe not realizing that this is an existential threat.
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Because if they did, you know, they would be up in arms tomorrow.
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And these politicians, these are feckless people for the most part.
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They're less concerned about the present and more concerned about winning the next election, right?
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And so, you know, if there was enough pressure from the native population, this would stop tomorrow.
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So like at the highest level, that's really what it is, is that, you know, the natives don't realize what a threat this is.
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And it is, it's existential and it's the end of Europe and it will be the end of the United States as well, the West in general.
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Now, at the lower levels, if we're looking at who's actually doing this, you're talking criminal organizations.
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You're talking opportunist countries who use this as a means to get, you know, financial aid, financial support, almost like blackmail.
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And you're looking at non-governmental organizations, many of them.
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I mean, they should be investigated, audited, prosecuted, a lot of them, but, you know.
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So the King Daddy above everything is the United Nations.
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And their Migration Wing, which is the International Organization of Migration.
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And really, everywhere you go and where you see this stuff, and by everywhere you go, I mean, when you're at key border crossing points.
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For example, in the Americas, for example, you know, when you're going to, when these people cross the Darien Gap, which I've crossed with my brother, we've trekked through that jungle.
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There is a town called Nacoakli, which is on the Colombian side.
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And that's like the launching point where they, from there, they get on a boat, they go to the mouth of the jungle, and they start trekking across.
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Now the flow has, you know, stopped under Trump.
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So I do think if we get, you know, Gavin Newsom, for example, in 2028, this could start again.
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But, you know, we don't have to go there for now.
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But you have IOM workers there, and what they were doing is they were handing out, I don't know what else to call them.
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It sounds crude, but rape kits where these women, they would hand to migrant women kits that had condoms, day after pills, and whistles, like in case you're getting raped in the jungle.
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And then they pop out on the other end if they make it, God willing.
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And then they're put in UN camps, and you have the IOM there as well, and giving them aid, handing out maps, that sort of thing.
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You know, what we got on camera was honestly the most incredible thing maybe that I've ever gotten on hitting camera, where we were in the Canary Islands.
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These, a boatload of these people had just got off on the island of El Hierro.
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And, you know, they're taken off the boat, they're processed, and they're put on a bus, and they're driven to a camp.
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And the entire time I'm looking for the United Nations, I'm trying to find these people.
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And, you know, I'm feeling like, are we going to get anything out of this?
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And I see this man in a blue vest, and I know who that is.
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So I talk to him, and we arrange a meeting, and we take him out.
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And this is when people watch the documentary, they'll see this.
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And so this guy's job was to, or is to, I believe he's still working with them, is when these so-called migrants come in to pay them money and get information from them.
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You know, who did you pay to smuggle you up here to Europe?
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To get information ostensibly so that they could prosecute, be prosecuted by European countries.
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But what we could get into, and what we caught on camera, this guy was so corrupt and admitted to such a corrupt system that he was part of.
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That's another Catholic charity that flies them from the Canary Islands to Europe.
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Hebrew Immigrant Aid Societies that Alejandro Mayorkas sat on the board of.
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So the net result of this, the end point of this long journey is Western Europe, where the benefits are the highest.
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You know, they were the richest countries in the world.
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And the effect has been a radical decline in quality of life for Europeans and in the state of their cities.
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There's a clip in this documentary that I just want to put on the screen now.
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And this is your exchange with a migrant in Paris.
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Here's the situation out here in front of the Eiffel Tower.
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We had all these guys, these vendors, that sell out here in front of the Eiffel Tower.
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See, they get very upset when you start talking to them.
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To be completely honest, I didn't even feel this when it happened.
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There was just a bunch of blood coming down my face.
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But the pain is starting to come in a little bit.
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I just can't believe how much I'm bleeding right now.
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This is what happens when you let a bunch of foreigners from barbaric cultures that can't
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I felt sorry for your brother, but I'm also grateful that you got that on tape.
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And you know, the thing is, in Europe, you can't get that information because they have
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I mean, they put people in jail for taking the COVID facts.
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That bash you over the head with, you know, Eiffel Tower souvenirs.
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Well, he got jumped and, you know, my brother saved my life.
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I got mobbed by these people and he came in, started throwing hands.
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And then, you know, I got up and sort of broke away.
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They could have got, they gave a very like BS attempt to try to get them.
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And, you know, the police out there told us that, you know, if they make the wrong move
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But if you use, you know, if you, the wrong type of force with these invaders, you might
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Um, I mean, the racial dynamic here is just almost, it's almost unbelievable.
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Um, they're protected because they're not white.
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Um, just, I mean, I don't really have any reason to say one way or the other.
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Cause I know a lot of them come from Western Africa, but they could have been from, from
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It's, it kind of takes your breath away to watch that.
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Which was the center of civilization, supposedly.
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It's a, it's one of the most beautiful cities, right?
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And, um, you know, the thing is though, that is a, uh, pretty light occurrence compared
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And when asked a question, just physically attack someone and steal stuff and then get away
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with it is like a level of a, like, where's the gratitude?
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And, you know, certain fish don't mix in the same aquarium.
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Like these people, you know, I will, I will tell you this.
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One of the takeaways that I got from this was, and I'm not downplaying what the U.S.
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is, you know, facing its own sort of existential crisis when it comes to this.
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But, you know, I will say when you compare these people that are coming from Africa and
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the Middle East compared to the people that we got from like Venezuela, Colombia, and sort
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of the Central American states, it, it is much different.
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I mean, those people, those people will assimilate much better.
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You know, they're all, for example, you could film them and they're cool.
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The Africans, if you try filming them, they would try to take your head off.
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I mean, Latin America is very different from sub-Saharan Africa, completely different.
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It's much worse than Latin America by any measure.
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And this explains, this is a U.N. worker explaining to you how this happened in the first place and
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that there are incentives the rest of us don't see.
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Every boat that arrives here, the Mafia gets between 50,000 to 60,000 euros.
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When money goes off, everything is, everything is...
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But what I'm saying is it doesn't seem like Spain wants to stop it.
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Why does the Spanish government want this to continue?
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Because, you know, the Spanish government, we don't want for it to stop.
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Because every year, the Spanish government receives a huge amount of money from the European Union.
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Every year, the European Union gives more than 3 billion to Spain.
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Spain's government will take 1 billion in suitcase.
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Maybe the government spoke with, like, 10 people from Mauritania.
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Those people that the government is going to meet with, the money is not by check.
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We're talking something serious about my brother.
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I love how the random African guy tells you the truth about the economics behind it.
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No, but I'm just saying there is, and you notice this when you go to Africa, there is
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Like, it's not a place where people say what they think they have to say.
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They just kind of say what's obvious, which is what I like about Africa.
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That's the NGO that flies them from the Canary Islands to the European mainland.
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But that was the most incredible undercover footage that I've ever gotten.
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When it comes to this beat, like the illegal immigration beat, that's like the holy grail.
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Because everybody asks, how is this allowed to take place?
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And here you have a United Nations representative admitting on camera that at least one of the
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reasons why it's allowed to continue is that Spain gets this money ostensibly to stop the
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But what they really do is they slow it down enough to a trickle.
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There's still thousands coming in, but they slow it down a little bit, act like they're
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doing something so that they can keep getting the money, skim the money off the top, and
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How much did you spend on this whole enterprise?
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Yeah, and it took us about two and a half months.
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But if you and your brother are taking off with 30 grand and some cameras and getting to
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the truth of the situation, where are the rest of the news organizations in the West?
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I'm going to give the Europeans a break here because I'm an American.
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And so when I got this footage and then we're trying to get it to debut on TCN and we're
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talking to lawyers about getting E&O insurance and all this stuff, there was discussion like
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you can't really be doing this in the European Union.
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It's different out there as far as their rights to film people and get certain things.
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But I'm an American now and I have the First Amendment on my side.
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And so if they try coming out, there's really not much there can do.
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Like we have companies supposed to be covering the news.
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This is the biggest news story in a thousand years and they're not covering it at all.
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I guess I'm giving the Europeans a break because if there was a European that tried doing
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this that was living in Spain or Germany, they'd have...
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But we are and our news organizations have a lot more money and experience than you do
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They're supposed to be purveyors of truth, which some are to some extent.
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And, you know, I'm friends with James O'Keefe and James O'Keefe talks about this a lot,
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which is that it's just so costly to do real journalism.
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That's why, you know, organizations like Fox, they just have the independent people come on
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now because they have the independent people break the story, take all the risk, and then
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I mean, you were with Fox, maybe you know better than I, but I feel like that wasn't
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Maybe they would do their own stories, but now it's just mostly independent people because
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it's just so costly to do these things and so dangerous for the big organizations.
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I saw them spend millions and millions and millions on fake interviews.
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They'd fly out, you know, 30 people a week early to do some interview to the head
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of state where they never asked a single real question.
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It's the most profitable news organization in the world.
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I mean, you spend 30 grand, you can't even buy a nice new car for 30 grand.
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Like, that's not much money in the scheme of things.
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And when there's not, nothing's going to get done.
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I just, I just think that your initiative is a mark of shame for the rest of the media.
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So here's a clip that I'm not sure I really understand, but I want to know what it means.
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French woman explains queers only migrant facility.
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Let's just watch this and then you can interpret it.
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Just a few miles from where we were jumped, men like the ones who attacked us turn up
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at Artis, an NGO that helps illegal immigrants apply for asylum.
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Could you, could you tell me more about what, what's the...
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This is, this is for migrant to help people for asylum.
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You know, the clip that comes after that is we are in a Catholic charity's facility in
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And then we were talking to a guy and we asked, you know, hey, do people like BS about being,
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And the guy says, yeah, he's like, all the migrants that come over here that, all the
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migrants that are coming here that claim to be LGBTQ, it's BS.
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Or is there some way to test for gayness at these facilities?
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So, but to be clear, the reason that people are saying they're gay is not because they
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want to be more fashionable, but because the French government or European governments give
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You know, why would they let these people in to begin with?
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So, well, now if they're gay and they come from some Islamic republic, wow, well, now
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They're going to be thrown off a roof in Tunisia or something.
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So, but there's, is there any calculation at all on the part of European governments as to
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like, what will these people do to improve our country?
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And I'm, this is happening in many different countries, but I'm telling you about the route
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They're given plane tickets and they're flown to Madrid or Barcelona.
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And they're put in camps where they'll be there for many years.
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Like, over two years, some of them were telling us.
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And they're just waiting for their papers and they don't do anything all day.
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They're saying, you know, no working, no eating, no working, no, I forget what else
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But the point where you fly them to your continent, like, does it occur to nobody that
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There's no evidence they've added anything, only detracted.
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So why would you accept the, why would you let the planes land?
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And maybe it's that clip you showed a minute ago that they're getting paid to do it.
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Yeah, well, again, there's many different interest groups, you could say, that are allowing this
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You know, again, at its core is that this is national suicide and people don't, the general
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And then beyond that, it's just opportunists, clearly.
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And people don't, you could say they hate the country.
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But whatever it is, that's ultimately why this is allowed to continue.
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And, you know, it's this adherence to like international norms, in quotes, you know, you
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had like the 1951 UN Refugee Convention, and that came after World War II.
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And then you had the 1967 Protocol, which so the 1951 Convention basically said, you know,
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Like there were so many stateless people after World War II, you have to give them a place
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You can't kick them back to a country where they could be facing persecution.
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But the 1951 UN Protocol only applied from that moment and before.
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So any future events, you know, the 1951 Protocol didn't apply.
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Then you had the 1967 Protocol, which basically said, okay, now going forward, this is the
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1951 Convention is going to cover everything going forward.
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And so you have a lot of countries now that have basically enshrined this in law.
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In the United States, it's the Refugee Act of 1980.
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And if we didn't have that, for example, you know, a lot of the people that come over
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here that are just economic migrants claiming that they're refugees, and they really have
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no standing, but they claim that they're facing some sort of violence.
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The only reason why this whole system exists where they come here, we catch them, we give
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them a court date and release them is because of the 1980 Refugee Act, which is built on this
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And so my point is, it's this idea of these international post-World War II norms that,
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you know, national leaders are just too cowardly to do it.
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And the whole point, obviously, was to eliminate, you know, you don't want white majority countries
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But they're actually not dangerous, and they're the source of our civilization.
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Well, it's stoppable, but, you know, how reversible is it?
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We're talking about the most powerful countries on earth here.
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But regardless, I mean, the European Union as a whole, look, they're trying to go to war
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Well, what's interesting is that Mertz has admitted in private,
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at least, that they can't raise an army in Germany because it will be majority Muslim
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because the Germans aren't having kids and the Muslims are, and they actually don't
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want to give hundreds of thousands of young Muslim men weapons.
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Like they're worried about what would happen if they did that.
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So they can't raise an army in Germany already.
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And so I wonder, I guess if it's gotten to that point, we just have to readjust to a
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And I don't really want to, you know, I don't want to speak for the Europeans.
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I will say that something, it almost feels like impotent to sit here and be like, well,
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I mean, it really is a matter of life and death, national survival.
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And, you know, literally every day that goes by, it gets worse.
00:31:08.040
And the only way that I could see them reversing it is with, is not without some sort of serious,
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like civil conflict, because these people will fight back.
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I mean, look, what do you see here in the United States?
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That was just from pointing a camera at the guy.
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I mean, look, when we were in France, there was a Frenchman who, not far from where we
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were, we were in Calais and not far from there.
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While we were there, somebody got beheaded in a parking lot by these people.
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So these are very serious, high testosterone men.
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That IOM worker, the one that we played the clip of earlier, this guy was so corrupt.
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And he, when we were there, I paid him 500 euros and he sold me an Excel sheet that showed
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all of the arrivals from the beginning of the year till the date that I met him, which was
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It was like from January till April 15th or something like that.
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And, you know, it showed how many women, how many men, how many children.
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It might be like less than 5% women and a smaller percent children.
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You have no idea who these people are, by the way.
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I mean, these could be Islamic State militants.
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Are they getting their biometrics taken when they get in?
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They try to, I mean, they show up in their documents.
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So, but they do, I mean, I know they fingerprint them.
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I'm not sure if they do like retina scans or what else they might do.
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Ones with HIV get fast track citizenship, I'm sure.
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I mean, we've gotten, I've rode the train of death like three times in Mexico.
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We've been kidnapped by the cartel, my brother and I.
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And I don't want people to think that I'm shitting on Europe.
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I mean, that's where my ancestors come from, right?
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So, as I told you before, myself and my brother,
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we were the first Americans to go from South America to the U.S. border
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And when we were doing that, you know, the fear there was criminal organizations.
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I mean, we got kidnapped by the Gulf cartel at the very end of it.
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Here, when we were doing it, now there was still the criminal element there.
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Like, when we're in Mauritania, I believe I was, you know,
00:33:52.340
But really, what I was afraid of, not just in Mauritania, obviously,
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but, of course, like in Spain and France and the U.K.,
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was not criminal organizations, even though we're going and trying to,
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you know, embed with migrants that are getting smuggled.
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The entire time, I was worried that they were going to realize
00:34:06.260
that there are two Americans walking around with hidden cameras,
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and they're going to bust down our hotel room door
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and pick us up and, you know, haul us off in a paddy wagon.
00:34:13.100
That was honestly what I was more afraid about.
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That's how intent they are in committing suicide.
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government-assisted suicide, government committed suicide,
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as if, like, native-born Britons need more excuses to die or something.
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I will say probably not because it was more or less what I expected.
00:34:47.300
But, you know, it's just another thing to see it in person.
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Did you feel more threat from the migrants coming into Europe
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my brother and I have been embedded with caravans in Mexico.
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We're walking up with them through Mexico and we're, like, in front of the caravan.
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You go shake hands with these people and they almost think it's, like,
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And out there, man, in Europe, it's like, if you point a camera at them,
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look, if there's no police around, they will slit your throat.
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And I don't say this flippantly because, look, I love all people.
00:35:36.960
But, you know, I've employed people that are in Zimbabwe and South Africa,
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But, you know, on the whole, certain fish don't mix in the same aquarium.
00:35:50.180
Yeah, there's a real difference between someone from El Salvador
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I appreciate you doing this, Doc, and letting us air it.
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I'm looking at him sitting over there, scar on his face.
00:36:18.440
It involves, look, it involves people that have had their,
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we've already got footage of people that have had their faces sawed off,
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What's going on in, let's just say, south of the border?
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because we're trying to arrange certain interviews.
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And now a boat's going to try to come around and pick them up.
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In a single generation, Europe has changed forever,
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This is the result of decades of mass migration.
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It's reached up the cultures of Europe completely.
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It's transformed once beautiful cities into slums.
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The governments of Western Europe and the United States and Canada, New Zealand, and Australia
00:37:26.480
They opened their border and they paid for the rest of the world,
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We followed one of the deadliest trade routes on Earth,
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from Africa to the Canary Islands to Spain, France, ending in the UK.
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This is what happens when you let a bunch of foreigners completely overtake their country.
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Along the way, we uncovered the entire system of criminal networks, NGOs,
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and criminal governments coordinating together to destroy the West.
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Everybody that arrive here, the mafia gets between 50 to 60,000 euros.
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All played a role in this massive human trafficking scheme,
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moving people across borders to reshape the West.
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Europeans are being replaced racially, spiritually, culturally in their own homeland, and so are we.
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So they don't catch them there and they bring them back to Spain.
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The only question is, will Europe awaken before it has disappeared?
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If not killed, at least you will get, like, beat up.
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