The Tucker Carlson Show - Whistleblower Exposes the Real Puppet Masters Controlling the State Department and Plans for Gaza

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00:00:59.940 So you were marched out of the State Department two weeks ago. You left involuntarily. And I want

00:01:06.600 to hear why. But first, what did you do there? What was your job at the state?

00:01:09.640 I was a press officer in the Near Eastern Affairs Bureau. Started September 2024. Essentially,

00:01:16.580 the main bread and butter role of a press officer is twofold. One is preparing the spokesperson

00:01:22.400 before they go on the podium and do their daily press briefing.

00:01:25.660 Yeah.

00:01:25.800 And second, reporters ask questions all the time. So a reporter with XYZ outlet submits a question,

00:01:33.340 and it's our job to use cleared lines, or cleared meaning approved lines, and send them back

00:01:39.760 to the reporter. And if you ever read an article and it says, a State Department spokesperson said,

00:01:47.100 X, those are press officers taking those cleared lines and sharing it with that reporter.

00:01:53.460 Who clears the lines?

00:02:15.020 Good question. So a press officer will draft the lines. From there, it will go up a ladder,

00:02:24.740 essentially. So there'll be desk officers, leadership in the Indian press office itself,

00:02:31.580 and then it goes up to the seventh floor, meaning the Secretary's Policy Planning Office,

00:02:37.160 the Deputy Secretary of State's Office. But it's not themself. You're not going to get the Deputy

00:02:42.280 Secretary of State looking at this, right? It's going to just be like a staffer who represents

00:02:45.580 that equity. So it becomes an inclusive process to make sure everyone has eyes on it. And if there

00:02:53.040 are flags, they'll let you know. For example, you could be drafting a line on Israel, but it involves

00:02:59.620 Lebanon. But there's another press officer and a whole other desk and leadership working on Lebanon

00:03:04.880 that might have an equity that you may not be aware of that they'll edit the line.

00:03:09.600 So describe the bureau that you work for, Near Eastern Affairs.

00:03:12.600 Yes.

00:03:12.900 What is that?

00:03:13.720 Well, it's an old school name. It basically means anything involved in the Middle East.

00:03:18.580 So it's Morocco to Iran, essentially.

00:03:21.360 The whole Middle East, not just the Levant, like the whole Middle East.

00:03:23.740 Yeah. Near East, yeah. They need to update the name. I think people are aware. But yeah,

00:03:27.960 it's the entire Middle East. So they use all these acronyms. So Israeli-Palestinian Affairs

00:03:36.360 is IPA or ISPAL. Saudi, Oman, Yemen, Bahrain, that whole grouping is ARP for Arabian Peninsula.

00:03:43.680 And then North Africa is its own entity as well, from Morocco to Egypt, goes under NA.

00:03:48.860 Okay. So it's the Levant, the Gulf, Iran, yeah. North Africa.

00:03:56.660 Huh. Interesting. And that's all in the same bureau. So the State Department divides the world into bureaus.

00:04:03.460 Correct.

00:04:04.240 Which are often called desks, correct?

00:04:05.840 Correct. So from Canada down to Chile's WHA, Western Hemisphere Affairs, Asia's EAP, East Asia Pacific.

00:04:15.280 So we have all these divisions.

00:04:18.060 Europe, Africa.

00:04:19.460 Correct. E-U-R for Europe, Africa's AF. I was an NEA and I was a press officer there,

00:04:27.120 originally covering Lebanon, Jordan, just for a couple months. And I quickly shifted to ISPAL.

00:04:34.100 Israel-Palestine.

00:04:35.300 Israel-Palestine.

00:04:36.240 Whoa. So that's the hottest of all desks, I would think.

00:04:41.680 Most scrutiny, most at stake, rhetoric, most closely supervised, I'm just guessing, but right?

00:04:50.020 Yes, it's true. The press officer for Israeli-Palestine affairs, you're on a stage constantly

00:04:57.080 because you're getting the most questions from reporters, for good reason. The spokesperson

00:05:02.260 is going to deal with the most questions at the podium about the topic. And so it was

00:05:09.220 a compliment, yet difficult for me to process the fact that it was requested from various people

00:05:16.500 in leadership when the administration was changing in January. They said, hey, I know you've only been

00:05:23.400 here for a couple months, but we're going to put you in this position, which was surprising,

00:05:27.820 but I wanted to take on the challenge at the time.

00:05:30.460 Really? So you were asked to do that by the incoming administration, by the Trump administration?

00:05:34.500 It was, well, it was people from, it was leadership in NEA, which some of them were civil servants,

00:05:41.280 but they were experienced people that recognized how heavy of a topic it was going to be coming in.

00:05:46.900 Huh. How do you get current on that? How do you do your research?

00:05:51.060 So it's multifold. So we do receive like, in terms of standard mainstream media,

00:05:57.040 we do get like copies of articles and coverage. And it's not necessarily politically

00:06:02.920 isolated, at least in the beginning it wasn't. So I would see everything in my email inbox,

00:06:08.380 plus personally, right? I'm always absorbing things. And you're only going to be a good press officer

00:06:12.940 if you're reading Twitter and the standard emails you're getting through the inbox.

00:06:18.820 Yeah.

00:06:19.220 So you're absorbing a lot of information and it's not just the details. Like, of course,

00:06:24.100 if I have a question, I'm going to go to the Israel experts at the State Department. So if

00:06:29.800 there's a detail I don't know, there might be a desk officer or someone like that that would know

00:06:35.000 the numbers or the challenges that I need for a specific press line. For me though, as a press

00:06:43.000 officer, my addition in those conversations is like more stylistic. Okay. If we put this line out

00:06:49.020 there, we're going to invite these problems, or it's good if we say it this way, because

00:06:53.280 this will help us, it'll defend us in this other way. So it was a stylistic endeavor from day to day.

00:07:02.660 And you don't have full control because obviously the personality of someone at the podium is going

00:07:08.040 to say it one way, even though I was hoping this line would deliver this other way, right? You don't

00:07:12.860 have full control, but you do have a-

00:07:15.600 Who's the spokesman for the Near East?

00:07:17.440 Well, right now it's more the spokesperson for the entire department that I was briefing.

00:07:22.140 Oh, okay.

00:07:22.440 So it was Tammy Bruce. She left. And then there's deputies that are currently-

00:07:27.220 Where did Tammy Bruce go?

00:07:28.340 She's going to the UN, from my understanding.

00:07:31.100 Okay. So were you given parameters? Like, how do you get your orders? Like, we do say this,

00:07:40.960 we don't say that.

00:07:41.700 So the main day-to-day activity, and I think people may or may not be aware of, but are

00:07:48.160 probably not aware of, is that I have these packets called press guidance, called PG.

00:07:53.080 So on Tuesday and Thursday, which are the days that a spokesperson would go on to the podium,

00:07:58.440 I would have all the sample questions. And some of them are tasked from the main press

00:08:05.160 office in, at the State Department. But I also would come up with my own questions. Like,

00:08:11.240 hey, we're getting this question a lot. We need to have lines for this. We can't leave

00:08:15.660 this alone. So I'd have, I'd create a packet, clear it through the building, like I was saying

00:08:20.340 earlier, through the seventh floor. And then I'd present that brief to the spokesperson about

00:08:25.500 two hours before she went on to the podium.

00:08:27.220 How do you know what the official U.S. position, especially on that topic, Israel-Palestine,

00:08:33.880 I mean, that's, again, the most politicized area there is, and the stakes are high. So how do you

00:08:41.040 know what the official U.S. position is on that conflict?

00:08:43.840 It's a very good question. And especially in the beginning of the administration, it's a bit of

00:08:47.460 an art. You're taking the gold for a press officer or lines for the principles. Essentially,

00:08:54.040 if President Trump says something, if Special Envoy Whitcoff says something, I take those quotes

00:08:59.040 and I'm like, okay, that's policy. So if he's talking about-

00:09:03.480 And I think that's literally true, right? I mean, the president sort of unilaterally

00:09:07.280 can form our foreign policy.

00:09:08.500 Yeah. And there's no questioning, like a quote that comes from our principle, especially President

00:09:12.220 Trump or Secretary Rubio for the State Department is often the case. So I would take those lines

00:09:20.040 and it would answer certain questions that would come up. Where are we with the ceasefire?

00:09:24.040 Oh, Special Envoy Whitcoff went on XYZ Sunday show. So I'm going to pull that line and I'll

00:09:31.080 brief the spokesperson and then she or he can quote Special Envoy Whitcoff at the podium

00:09:36.240 again, because that's the policy. That's the easiest way of doing it. You don't always

00:09:39.440 have quotes. So what would happen instead is you kind of have-

00:09:43.040 Did you ever get a question on that?

00:09:45.000 Question on?

00:09:46.040 Well, I mean, if you say, you know, you should respond in this way and then cite the president

00:09:50.700 or Steve Whitcoff or Secretary Rubio, then that kind of ends the conversation, right?

00:09:55.580 It should end the conversation. What was surprising, and this will go back to when I ended up departing

00:10:01.860 and getting fired in August, was that on a specific question, one of the three events I think led

00:10:08.620 up to my firing was on a Monday, we received a question about forced displacement, which is

00:10:18.020 essentially ethnic cleansing, and what our policy was about Israel intending to move Palestinians and

00:10:24.500 Gaza to South Sudan.

00:10:26.400 So-

00:10:26.620 To South Sudan?

00:10:27.360 Yeah, that was every two or three months, we had a new reporting would come out. In the

00:10:33.360 spring, it was they're moving Palestinians and Gaza to Libya. There was a rumor about Somaliland,

00:10:40.080 even though we don't recognize Somaliland, but there was reporting about, are we going to

00:10:44.340 do an exchange where we recognize Somaliland, but they have to take on Palestinians. And then

00:10:49.040 we had an Ethiopia round. And then the last round that I witnessed before I left was South

00:10:56.440 Sudan. So-

00:10:57.880 And so that appears in somewhere in the press?

00:11:00.780 Appears somewhere in the press, and we received a question. What's your response to this reporting?

00:11:06.020 And then I came up with a line, but it wasn't a line that like, I just came up out of the

00:11:12.960 blue. It was something that President Trump and Special Envoy Whitcoff had said in other

00:11:17.420 words in the spring. I said, we do not support forced displacement.

00:11:21.040 And why, what did they say about it? So that was your interpretation of what they said. Do

00:11:26.100 you remember what they said, what Whitcoff and Trump said on that topic?

00:11:29.260 So specifically Special Envoy Whitcoff said something, we're not, said something along

00:11:32.860 the lines of, we're not trying to evict anybody.

00:11:34.860 Right.

00:11:35.420 So from, as a press officer, there's an art to it, right? Because you're not, you can

00:11:39.860 sometimes do the exact quote, or you can just come up with a new line that reflects that quote.

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00:15:45.560 I think forced displacement and eviction are synonyms. Any fair person would say that.

00:15:50.380 Right. And keep in mind, this had already been cleared. It was approved for about a couple weeks

00:15:55.820 before this particular question popped up because the Ethiopia rumor was like July 28th. So I put it

00:16:01.840 in the PG, put it in the packet, cleared through. I briefed it multiple times. So when that question

00:16:07.700 came up, I said, I actually probably have the right to just send that line because it cleared so many

00:16:12.740 times. But to be extra careful, I sent it out to the, uh, uh, the, the spokesperson and their staff

00:16:21.320 and made sure the, the most important equities were re-clearing it. And from my understanding,

00:16:28.880 now I wasn't on the chain, but from my understanding, they went to the secretary's

00:16:32.440 office and they cut that line of, we do not support forced displacement. The only other bullet that we

00:16:38.680 have, which is, um, uh, pretty standard is we don't discuss private, diplomatic conversations,

00:16:45.420 which is standard. I would always say, you know, the investigation is ongoing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:16:50.100 Exactly. Yeah. It's one of those lines. So that, that line was there. So that's all we ended up

00:16:56.880 providing. Um, so there's some sensitive, which I found very odd because out of the three events,

00:17:05.520 I'll, I can get into the other ones, but that was like number two. But when the day or the two days

00:17:09.940 before I was, uh, fired that Thursday and Friday, the only feedback that I got, because, because my

00:17:16.080 bureau was confused as to why, uh, the secretary's office was coming down on me. Right. Cause they

00:17:21.280 don't know me. They don't, I don't interact with a random press officer at NEA. Right. Maybe a little

00:17:25.380 bit more because of the sensitive topic, but chances are generally low. My leadership has said,

00:17:30.720 hey, they're asking where you got that line from, from Monday. I'm like, today's Thursday.

00:17:35.480 You're four days later. They're asking me where I, where I got this line that I drafted, but they

00:17:41.340 cut it. I went through the procedure, right? I cut it. They cut it. And then the reporter

00:17:45.380 never saw that line. Did they explain why they cut it? No. They, all I got from, all I heard,

00:17:50.680 all I, all I witnessed was the, uh, acting spokesperson saying. So you were, um, paraphrasing

00:17:56.400 the envoy, Steve Wyckoff and the president of the United States, Donald Trump, when you said the

00:18:02.540 United States does not support a forced in forced displacement. Yep. I don't think we do support

00:18:09.380 that. Do we, by the way? I won't hope so. Yeah. One would hope not. Right. And especially

00:18:14.820 we're not going to pay for that. Um, and they cut that out, but didn't explain why. Right. And then

00:18:20.680 your supervisors came to you and said, Hey, they're complaining about you basically. Right. And they

00:18:24.840 didn't, they only specified that line, just like the act of drafting it. And I was like,

00:18:29.220 I have a track record. Um, and they asked me Thursday afternoon and Friday morning twice

00:18:34.380 in a row, which is very odd for a random bullet. I was like, I have a, I have the evidence from

00:18:38.260 July 28th of clearing this press guidance with that line. And here are the irrelevant quotes.

00:18:43.460 Did anyone say, by the way, you may not know this, but the United States does support

00:18:47.580 forced displacement. No one said that. No one said that. But by the way, sorry, I got it wrong.

00:18:52.700 Um, we're all about forced displacement. Okay. We want to, we want kind of want to

00:18:57.080 trail a tear situation here because we're for that. It's, it's tragic because it's such a standard

00:19:02.740 bonker. Yeah. That's something you would want to advertise. You want to put out there that we're

00:19:07.700 against this. Like, Hey, we still have some moral standing somewhere. Um, and when the Washington Post

00:19:13.440 piece came out, like the yesterday, two days ago saying where there's some plan involving

00:19:18.780 the consultations of Tony Blair of, of moving Gauzen's out and we, we, but we may pay for

00:19:26.960 something, a piece of it. And I'm like, why? So is this why I got fired? It's because I was,

00:19:32.640 I was still sticking through this line and they saw me as some kind of obstacle, which I wasn't

00:19:37.400 because I was going through the exact procedures they wanted. But I knew that when I was fired

00:19:41.320 as someone who was again, close with political appointees and was civil servants and was pretty

00:19:46.880 well-established in NEA. Again, like I said earlier, you don't get this role covering Israeli

00:19:52.260 Palestinian affairs on a whim. Um, and I'm subtly pushed out. That means things are going to go

00:19:57.280 into a very radical direction. Uh, well, yeah, I should also say, cause I, I know that you will

00:20:02.800 be attacked and I'll be attacked for speaking to you, uh, on the following grounds. This guy's a

00:20:07.400 partisan Democrat who liked Bernie. He was a saboteur, a wrecker. Um, I know from our conversations

00:20:14.860 off camera, at least what you said to me was basically agreed with Trump's foreign policy

00:20:20.000 instincts, you know, fewer pointless wars, like get along with more people. Yeah. That was always,

00:20:27.140 that's fair. I've, I've always been an advocate for ending endless war on a personal level.

00:20:32.800 And so when president Trump is saying, Hey, we don't want to get into any forever wars. I'm like,

00:20:37.920 that's great. And we technically started with a ceasefire in Gaza and started the administration.

00:20:43.320 That was something to, to, uh, we could expand it on. We were, uh, speaking to the Iranians.

00:20:48.380 So there's so many chances for true peace, but things went in the wrong direction. I would say

00:20:54.140 somewhere in the summer, right? Uh, I remember listening to president Trump's speech in Saudi

00:21:00.920 in May where he was talking about amazing speech. Love that speech. I remember I was, I was like,

00:21:05.560 I was cheering. Exactly. And in my, in my cubicle at the state department, I was like,

00:21:09.440 he's a great speech. I was too. That was one of the best speeches ever given. And I was like,

00:21:13.340 this is, this is amazing. It was ballsy too. Yes. Speech. Calling out neocons. Like,

00:21:17.560 Oh, I know. No one calls out neocons in DC, right? Like we, we brushed that under the rug.

00:21:22.080 We kept moving. Right. You still see him as an analyst here and there on TV.

00:21:26.000 Here and there. They dominate the biggest cable news channel. Yes. I'm aware. Yeah. Yeah. So,

00:21:30.620 so glad to see that. But then why two weeks later, were we sabotaging our own talks with Iran and then

00:21:37.120 bombing them? Right. So the events, like the idea that I'm some partisan is, is just wrong. I,

00:21:45.640 yes, on a personal, uh, Avenue, I don't want any more endless wars. And, but president Trump was in

00:21:51.900 line with that. Uh, and I was going, I was doing my job in line with the procedures that were necessary

00:21:56.780 every single day. Yeah. But it sounds like you agreed with him. So I guess that's my point. If you,

00:22:00.440 you liked that, I mean, I don't know, you know, a lot of these, some of the labels are real,

00:22:05.600 but some of them are also created and certainly sustained in order to keep people from listening

00:22:10.260 to each other. So they don't discover they actually agree on a lot. Yeah. And if you love the Saudi

00:22:14.760 speech and I love the Saudi speech, then we're probably not too far from each other then. Cause I

00:22:20.720 thought that, and that was a Donald Trump speech. And by the way, if you're such a partisan Democrat,

00:22:24.020 you're admitting on camera that you love to Donald Trump speech. You're not too partisan, I guess. Uh,

00:22:29.720 but anyway, I just want to say, cause I'm here. I'm honestly, it matters. Yeah. It's like,

00:22:33.360 it's the, it's the, it's the issues we have in foreign policy that I matter, that I care

00:22:36.600 about. I don't care about the labels per se. Well, I don't either. Well, they're clearly

00:22:39.940 meaningless. Yes. If we're both cheering on the, the Riyadh speech. So yes. Okay. I just

00:22:44.440 wanted to establish that. So you start hearing from your bosses like, Hey, what is this thing

00:22:49.160 that you put in there about opposing forced displacement? Yeah. We've always. Yeah. Four

00:22:55.480 or five days earlier, not even like the next day. There was like a delay annoyance. It was weird.

00:23:01.380 Huh? So you said that there were three examples of this where they found problems with your work.

00:23:07.660 Right. And some of this, it kind of made sense from hindsight cause I didn't like in the moment I

00:23:13.320 didn't realize, but Sunday, um, Israel had, had, uh, uh, struck a tent with several journalists

00:23:20.660 living inside, including Anas who would, who millions of people had watched cover the events

00:23:25.580 in Gaza. Uh, they all died. I drafted a line, a few lines. And by the way, there were not

00:23:31.300 saw some softy lines. The only thing that was there that they didn't like was I did share

00:23:36.420 condolences, which is pretty standard, uh, uh, policy. Condolences. What do you mean?

00:23:43.200 So I said, we share condolences for the families of the killed journalists. That's all.

00:23:47.960 Well, that sounds, that sounds like hate speech to me. Yeah. Condolences to the families of people

00:23:53.440 who got killed. Yeah. Noncombatants killed in war. Yep. Yep. And what's so disappointing too,

00:23:59.680 was that. Wait, wait. So what, so what happened when you put that in there? I was immediately told,

00:24:05.060 um, from a senior official that we don't know what Anas did essentially. And I was like,

00:24:14.360 that's odd. And it's what he did. Like, we don't know what his like conduct was. Like,

00:24:19.580 we don't know. We need like, we need more information. He might, it was, she or he was

00:24:24.040 alluding to the fact that he may have done something or he's a, he's a problematic actor

00:24:30.880 in some way, but it was weird. Okay. I, I, let me just say, I would be totally comfortable

00:24:36.420 sharing condolences with Osama bin Laden's family. I hate Osama bin Laden. On the other hand,

00:24:41.860 if somebody dies, it's okay to say, I'm sorry to his family that.

00:24:46.840 He had a toddler.

00:24:47.980 That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

00:24:49.480 That's immaterial. I would say that to the family of an executed murderer in a prison. It doesn't mean

00:24:55.980 I support the murderer or the murderer, but this is family. Like that's okay. That's called like

00:25:00.880 human decency. And anyone who's against that. Yeah. And it seemed that we're setting up this

00:25:07.260 constant, this is, this is my issue that I noticed from the get-go, a constant deferring to Israel.

00:25:13.240 It was like waiting for some statement, like let them speak first. And then on Monday, Israel said,

00:25:18.200 all Hamas, which is a throwaway line they've used. All Hamas meaning what?

00:25:24.420 They're journalists. We're all Hamas?

00:25:26.320 Yeah. Or at least on us, if I remember correctly. And so they brushed that away.

00:25:30.480 Were they?

00:25:31.920 Look, my point when I heard that was, what does our intelligence say? If they were like being super

00:25:38.240 strict and said, Hey, we're going to, we're going to triple check using our U.S. intelligence

00:25:44.200 of who these people are? Maybe, maybe, right? I still don't agree with cutting the condolences

00:25:50.620 line, but sure. But why is there, oh, Israel said this, done.

00:25:55.200 We don't have intel services?

00:25:57.400 Right. Right. So what's with the instinct to defer to Israel when we have the entire apparatus

00:26:03.180 that could check that? And then by Tuesday-

00:26:05.280 We've got like 17 different intelligence services in this country that take, you know,

00:26:08.860 a trillion dollars a year or whatever the actual budget is. And we don't consult them at all.

00:26:13.220 We wait for the Israeli spokesman to tell us what reality is.

00:26:17.940 Awful.

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00:30:31.060 Right. And that came up on any topic that was somewhat sensitive or waiting for Israel to make

00:30:40.020 a move. Does the State Department have any position that contradicts the position of the

00:30:44.300 Israeli government that you're aware of? No. I think the closest, I think for U.S. interest,

00:30:53.920 we do. But in our current policy and posture, we do not. So- Not one. The closest we got-

00:31:01.140 Do you have any siblings? I do.

00:31:02.960 Do you love them? I love them. Do you have any sticking points with them? Is there something

00:31:06.720 you don't fully agree on? As any siblings do.

00:31:08.740 Exactly. Exactly. So loving someone or having an alliance with someone or even like sharing the

00:31:15.040 same parents as somebody doesn't mean that you have to agree on every little point.

00:31:19.560 It would be weird if you did.

00:31:20.780 It would be weird.

00:31:22.060 Yeah.

00:31:22.820 Identical twins have disagreed.

00:31:24.320 This is getting a little weird. Why is it acting like this? It's very strange.

00:31:27.780 Um, and I, the closest we came and there was no follow through with, was when, uh, I actually

00:31:36.740 liked the statement. It was a thousand other things that I had personal issues, which was

00:31:41.060 irrelevant. But Ambassador Huckabee, when there was like these, these tie bit attacks against

00:31:44.560 the Christians in West Bank, he did put out a statement saying, these attacks are unacceptable.

00:31:48.300 We call on Israel to investigate, but there's no follow through, right?

00:31:51.480 What do you mean?

00:31:52.960 He had a statement that said-

00:31:54.000 Oh, I remember it very well.

00:31:55.160 There's no follow, yeah. There's no, there's no follow through. And like, you're like,

00:31:58.340 oh, that's a good statement. That's, I'm like, wow.

00:32:00.580 You can't attack Christians with U.S. tax dollars. Sorry.

00:32:03.300 Yeah. Yep.

00:32:04.220 And not allowed.

00:32:05.140 Yep.

00:32:05.500 I don't care who you are.

00:32:06.620 And it was, it was just a, it was one statement and then there was no like, and if we got questions

00:32:10.820 like, hey, what's the status of the investigation? We refer you to Israel, right? So-

00:32:16.360 So no one at the State Department looked into it?

00:32:18.680 Not that I saw.

00:32:19.440 Well, this is a majority Christian country, but nobody felt like that would be a good

00:32:25.320 use of American tax dollars to find out what this was or ask anybody any questions.

00:32:29.360 And that's the thing. Each time there's a call for investigation, a very rare opportunity

00:32:32.860 that that's in front of us, there's no follow through. The strong statement, we did the thing

00:32:38.220 and you don't hear about it for, for weeks and months.

00:32:41.580 So there's no one at the State Department who cared?

00:32:43.020 Look, I don't want to speak for the entire, I mean, I think there were people that cared.

00:32:48.540 I think there are Christians.

00:32:49.540 Well, I cared. I cared.

00:32:50.420 And look, there are-

00:32:51.000 A lot.

00:32:51.580 There are civil servants or political appointees, foreign service officers that see, see all

00:32:56.380 of this and they're, and they're concerned. And, but it's the, it's, it's this style of

00:33:02.740 constantly deferring to Israel that's at the forefront. So we can criticize up to a certain

00:33:08.940 point. And it's awful because if we want Israel to investigate, then we should be following

00:33:18.620 up and ask, Hey, what happened to the investigation? I thought you were going to investigate. Where's

00:33:21.180 the, where are the prosecutions? Who, who did all the damage?

00:33:25.240 Who did this and why?

00:33:26.460 Yeah.

00:33:26.740 Yeah.

00:33:27.680 But we'd never hear the, we'd never hear the follow up.

00:33:29.900 So there's no, as far as you're aware, mechanism in the State Department to, because you've

00:33:36.140 described a relationship that's unique. There's no other country in the world that has this

00:33:40.680 relationship with the United States. And a lot of resources go into supporting that

00:33:45.300 country, but there's no mechanism in the United States, in the U.S. State Department to like

00:33:49.740 follow up on this?

00:33:51.680 Look, on, in the public realm, because I was working, I work as a press officer, right?

00:33:59.100 So I'm always working with reporters and how, like this, the presentation, those things

00:34:02.700 matter. So if there was a system of following up, I didn't see it. It's possible. Personally,

00:34:10.460 I kind of doubt it. But on the public realm-

00:34:13.900 Well, if they followed up, you would have known about it because what if somebody asks

00:34:16.460 you?

00:34:17.140 Right. And you would think that if there was follow up, you'd want to advertise it too.

00:34:21.780 Like, Hey, we followed up. But they were, they were, the preference was to defer and deflect

00:34:28.740 and give Israel more time.

00:34:29.940 Nobody gives a shit. You persecute, you know, Christians with American tax dollars. Nobody

00:34:34.000 cares.

00:34:34.240 Yeah. Yeah.

00:34:37.340 Sorry. You're making me mad. No, it's just a frustrating, it's frustrating.

00:34:41.820 I know, it is.

00:34:42.500 It's frustrating to see people get shat, because it's not a, it's not a neutral situation.

00:34:46.060 Like some people are winning and some people are losing. And if the losers are people that

00:34:51.300 you, you know, didn't do anything wrong, the Christians aren't in Hamas. Like what, what's,

00:34:56.000 what's their crime?

00:34:56.800 Look, the scenes, the scenes are horrific. So on a human level, it shouldn't matter. But

00:35:01.660 if that's the whole thing of having Ambassador Al could be there, it's like, at least maybe

00:35:06.120 you'll care about this. And then, yeah, you put a strong statement out, but don't follow

00:35:09.000 up.

00:35:09.300 Yeah. They don't care at all.

00:35:10.100 What's the point?

00:35:10.400 Yeah. Right. The, the self-described Christians don't care at all about the Christians.

00:35:14.480 And by the way, the whole justification for all of this, you just said it, these journalists

00:35:18.340 get blown up. They were Hamas. Okay. End of conversation. No one can plausibly claim that

00:35:24.620 a Christian family are in Hamas. Okay. So like what, tell me, you can't claim that they're

00:35:29.960 in Hamas while simultaneously claiming that Hamas is a, you know, group of jihadis. They're

00:35:36.100 Islamic extremists, which they also claim constantly, which I don't, I don't know if

00:35:40.020 that's true, by the way, it seems more like a political organization, but whatever it is,

00:35:43.200 they're telling us constantly they're Al-Qaeda. So it can't also be true that Christians are

00:35:48.140 a member of Al-Qaeda. Sorry.

00:35:49.620 Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:50.260 So then we know they're not in Hamas. So why did they get killed? Why was their church

00:35:54.300 blown up? Why were they killed in that hospital? Like, what is this? And there's not one person

00:35:57.840 in the State Department who cares enough to get to the bottom of that question.

00:36:01.040 Yeah. And all you saw, I mean, all I saw, President Trump did call Prime Minister Netanyahu

00:36:05.760 and Netanyahu gave an apology for the church that was attacked in Gaza.

00:36:10.360 One of many.

00:36:11.780 But there's, there's never follow-up. There's never like, hey, we, this, this is the prosecution.

00:36:16.560 This is where our investigation landed. It's this quick two-hour brush on the rug, put a

00:36:23.100 statement out, and then you don't hear anything ever again.

00:36:27.620 Yeah. Wow. Okay. The third example of work that you produced that your superiors were unhappy

00:36:38.720 with and that led ultimately to your firing was what?

00:36:41.080 So it was a Tuesday. So that's a press guidance day of all the sample questions. It was actually

00:36:46.540 arguably, um, we, we said OBE, which meant overcome by events, which means that we're like

00:36:53.060 beyond its relevancy, but like it was still could have come up. So I put it, I left it in

00:36:57.660 there was a reaction to Speaker Johnson visiting the settlements in the West Bank. And, um, I had

00:37:06.600 a line pretty standard and kind of not, not very specific, but it said we support stability

00:37:12.680 in the West Bank.

00:37:14.180 Stability?

00:37:14.780 Yeah. We support stability. That's all. So, and the, the last, well, the last piece was

00:37:19.540 comma, um, which helps secure Israel. Right. But the, I think the stable comment was, I don't

00:37:27.460 know, too much. Cause if we say we want to stable West Bank, are we accidentally being critical

00:37:32.260 of something Speaker Johnson or Israel is doing? Right. So.

00:37:36.580 What is that? I flesh that out if you don't mind.

00:37:38.720 Sure.

00:37:39.380 I mean, I know, I know what you're saying, but I'm not sure everyone knows.

00:37:42.120 I, I, yeah, it's a good question. So.

00:37:43.620 So why would the U.S. government, so the U.S. government is against extending condolences

00:37:47.960 to the families of non-combatants killed.

00:37:50.500 Okay.

00:37:51.580 Correct.

00:37:52.120 And the U.S. government is also now in favor of the forced movement of large populations

00:37:59.340 outside their borders.

00:38:00.180 Right. Okay. And now you're saying the U.S. government is against stability.

00:38:05.020 Right.

00:38:05.540 How are we against stability? Why is stability a bad thing?

00:38:08.360 Now, stability is a word that's used a lot. And we are on paper saying we support stability

00:38:13.280 in the region all the time. But in this specific context, when discussing settlements, it will

00:38:18.840 sound like we're critiquing Israel indirectly by saying we support stability in reaction to

00:38:25.660 a question about settlements. Right. So that was how I interpreted the issue.

00:38:29.820 So in other words, that would, you might be suggesting that the U.S. government opposes

00:38:33.860 radical demographic change in the West Bank.

00:38:38.000 Right. Right. Now I have this line, again, just like the forced displacement, it had cleared

00:38:42.840 previously. But this is where what was discussed when this first broke my firing in the Washington

00:38:50.260 Post was that senior officials from Embassy Jerusalem, David Milstein specifically, would

00:38:57.280 occasionally pop into my docs. Now, it didn't happen every single day.

00:39:00.360 Pop into your docs?

00:39:01.280 Like at a Google Doc, right? Or it wasn't a Google Doc. It was, I don't know, the brand

00:39:06.460 doesn't matter. But some internal system.

00:39:08.480 Yeah. An internal system. I would share it with, in the morning, the equities I was mentioning,

00:39:13.560 one of the equities is Embassy Jerusalem.

00:39:16.380 Okay. So an equity, just for State Department speak, people haven't heard it, tell us what

00:39:20.440 an equity is.

00:39:21.060 Someone has some stake in those lines.

00:39:24.920 And Embassy Jerusalem does, obviously, because they're the ones that are-

00:39:27.980 The U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem.

00:39:29.840 The U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem.

00:39:30.980 American diplomats posted to Israel.

00:39:32.900 On those press briefing days, I would share it with them for them to review the document

00:39:37.580 and be like, okay, these are our press lines for these sample questions. Are you okay with

00:39:41.680 them? Now, it was interesting because they often did not clear, they didn't reject it.

00:39:47.280 They just, with a non-response, because the press officers there would defer up the chain

00:39:52.320 to David Milstein and Ambassador Huckabee, because they didn't want to put their name on it.

00:39:57.400 Because if it's something they didn't like, no one wants their name on a press guidance

00:40:00.940 that wasn't approved by these influential people.

00:40:03.620 Who is David Milstein?

00:40:05.080 He is the senior advisor to Ambassador Huckabee.

00:40:08.380 And what's his, how old is he?

00:40:10.020 What's his background?

00:40:11.200 Is he a career diplomat or-

00:40:13.720 He's a, from my understanding, he's a political.

00:40:16.040 I believe he worked on the Hill.

00:40:18.720 Oh, did he work for Ted Cruz?

00:40:20.300 Yes.

00:40:20.880 Yes, he worked for Ted Cruz.

00:40:21.960 Okay.

00:40:22.080 And he is the stepson of your best friend, Mark Levin.

00:40:27.940 He's Mark Levin's stepson?

00:40:29.480 Yeah.

00:40:30.640 He's working at the State Department?

00:40:32.640 Correct.

00:40:33.440 Interesting.

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00:41:48.840 So David Milstein is a political guy working now for Mike Huckabee in Jerusalem,

00:41:54.680 and he was going through your lines.

00:41:57.820 Correct.

00:41:58.080 Now, on paper, he could be, but the way that he would edit my docs as aggressively as he would,

00:42:09.880 and we can get into this, but the other statements and pieces that were reported in the Washington Post,

00:42:16.020 he would push a certain agenda that was very aligned with Israel that I found very problematic.

00:42:20.820 Now, in this specific example, because we're discussing the third example of why I was fired,

00:42:25.580 was that he changed the stability line to, we commend Speaker Johnson for visiting Judea and Samaria.

00:42:34.900 So we, as a government—

00:42:36.600 What's Judea and Samaria?

00:42:38.560 It's a term that is religious.

00:42:45.180 It's about Israel's land grab of the West Bank.

00:42:49.580 Are Judea and Samaria, like, administrative districts?

00:42:53.520 No, it's not.

00:42:54.460 Is there a mayor of Samaria?

00:42:55.860 Nope, doesn't exist.

00:42:57.980 Okay, so there's no actual place called Judea and Samaria.

00:43:01.000 No, we call—

00:43:01.700 Like, the civil authorities don't recognize Judea or Samaria.

00:43:04.360 Nope.

00:43:04.860 Okay.

00:43:05.320 Nope.

00:43:05.760 It's the more extreme wing of the elements of the Israeli government,

00:43:10.640 and David Milstein was in line with that language,

00:43:15.660 and it's designed to erase any paucity and legitimacy that this is supposed to be Israeli land.

00:43:22.840 So the point is, by using those terms, they're biblical terms,

00:43:26.580 they refer to regions described in what Christians call the Old Testament,

00:43:29.780 and the point is to remind everybody that this land was promised by God

00:43:33.840 to the Jewish people, to the Hebrew people,

00:43:37.280 and that, you know, anyone who's lived there subsequently for the last 3,000 years has no right to it.

00:43:42.120 Right.

00:43:42.360 That's the point, but from a sort of government perspective,

00:43:48.920 Judea and Samaria are not real places in that they're not—

00:43:53.360 Not recognized, not used.

00:43:54.580 Not nation-states, they're not provinces, they're not—

00:43:57.980 And—

00:43:58.900 Do they have clearly defined borders?

00:44:00.760 Not from my understanding.

00:44:01.540 I mean, they do not.

00:44:02.580 And that would give you—

00:44:04.360 What the fuck?

00:44:06.120 It opens the door to more land grabs, you know?

00:44:08.880 Okay, but if a place doesn't have a clearly defined border,

00:44:13.640 then how can the U.S. government refer to it in any kind of official capacity?

00:44:19.980 They can.

00:44:20.700 They can.

00:44:21.240 And it's scary, too, because if you look at the airstrikes that Israel are doing,

00:44:24.180 like Israel is doing in Syria,

00:44:26.580 and they're building settlements even outside the Golan Heights,

00:44:29.060 it's all part of this—

00:44:30.880 I don't know what it is,

00:44:34.360 this idea of a greater Israel that people are discussing that was beyond these borders.

00:44:38.460 So it's scary, and it's against the stability of the region that we've been calling for

00:44:43.200 as a government for decades.

00:44:45.680 So certainly in the modern era,

00:44:47.720 definitely since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1918,

00:44:52.260 you know, you've had clear borders between countries.

00:44:54.920 In fact, we're fighting a war against Russia right now

00:44:56.820 on the premise that they violated those borders by moving into eastern Ukraine.

00:45:00.420 So, like, the U.S. government takes borders very seriously,

00:45:04.000 obviously not including our own.

00:45:06.100 But as a matter of, like, statecraft and diplomacy,

00:45:09.080 that really, really matters.

00:45:10.820 So you would never use a phrase in an official communication

00:45:15.440 that referred to a place whose territory you couldn't define.

00:45:20.620 That would be—

00:45:21.340 100%.

00:45:22.180 —fucking crazy to do something like that.

00:45:24.020 100%.

00:45:24.600 —okay.

00:45:25.320 So you think this Milstein guy,

00:45:28.840 who is Mark Levin's stepson,

00:45:30.820 you say, it's almost like you're making this up,

00:45:33.160 it's like a joke,

00:45:34.120 who worked for Ted Cruz in the Senate,

00:45:37.860 he added this to the statement.

00:45:40.480 —correct.

00:45:41.040 —and then did it go out?

00:45:42.600 —so from that point, I cut it

00:45:45.360 because I even accepted most of his edits in the document

00:45:49.400 because going to battle with him was a whole headache

00:45:52.820 because he'll call, he'll push certain things.

00:45:55.460 He was known for doing that.

00:45:56.960 Like, he'll—

00:45:57.720 David Milstein's phone call was not a favorite thing for folks.

00:46:02.460 —like, what was it like?

00:46:03.100 Tell us for those of us who don't work with Mark Levin's stepson at the State Department.

00:46:07.000 —Sure, sure.

00:46:07.740 So he would call and he would just push,

00:46:11.300 like, why was that removed?

00:46:12.480 Or why was X, Y, Z done?

00:46:15.140 Very often.

00:46:15.920 And if you said no,

00:46:18.080 there was a tendency to go up the chain

00:46:20.980 in order for him to push the agenda of any given day.

00:46:24.580 And this is something that I dealt with since very early.

00:46:26.700 —Where is his—

00:46:27.340 Okay, so is he the DCM or—

00:46:29.100 —Nope.

00:46:29.500 He's just a senior advisor to Ambassador Huckabee.

00:46:32.400 —He's like an assistant to the U.S. Ambassador to Israel.

00:46:35.500 —Correct.

00:46:35.820 And he—

00:46:36.820 Just sticking with the public reporting from Washington Post,

00:46:40.300 like, he would push in one occasion

00:46:42.480 statements that were in the voice of Secretary Rubio,

00:46:46.200 not even the spokesperson.

00:46:47.200 And he drafted them.

00:46:48.020 He would push them through and be like,

00:46:49.080 I want this statement out.

00:46:50.980 —I want this statement out?

00:46:52.500 —Yeah, like, he would go through and be like,

00:46:54.200 I drafted this.

00:46:55.160 This is the statement I want.

00:46:56.920 I would go through the process of clearing it,

00:47:00.560 but he would fight for it.

00:47:02.300 Like, he'd be in the document

00:47:03.160 getting in arguments with people one by one

00:47:05.460 in order to kind of overwhelm the process

00:47:09.420 and get certain—

00:47:12.180 his agenda out there the way he wanted.

00:47:15.480 And it's very difficult.

00:47:16.240 You can stop—

00:47:16.560 —On what authority?

00:47:17.540 I mean, that's pretty cheeky behavior

00:47:19.220 for a guy who's an aide to Mike Huckabee,

00:47:21.880 the former cable news host.

00:47:23.180 —He would call around the building,

00:47:24.020 and it was very consistent and persistent.

00:47:30.320 —But he lives in Jerusalem.

00:47:32.440 —He does.

00:47:32.760 —What do you mean, call around?

00:47:33.800 —And policy comes from D.C.

00:47:35.620 Like, this is—

00:47:36.500 obviously, they have influence

00:47:37.500 and they have discussions,

00:47:38.600 but the policy comes from D.C.

00:47:40.180 —What do you mean, call around?

00:47:42.260 —He would go either laterally

00:47:44.500 or up the chain and call various people

00:47:46.280 and say,

00:47:47.980 hey, Ambassador Huckabee will cite Huckabee,

00:47:51.560 usually,

00:47:52.320 and say, wants this done

00:47:54.200 or for X, Y, Z reason.

00:47:57.580 And if that person didn't pick up,

00:48:00.180 it would go to the next person.

00:48:01.000 So even if we were discussing equities earlier,

00:48:04.340 if one particular equity said,

00:48:06.040 we can't do this,

00:48:07.660 then he would go up,

00:48:09.980 well, I don't care,

00:48:11.160 because this guy above you may clear it.

00:48:13.740 —What?

00:48:14.380 —How does he have everyone's number?

00:48:16.920 —That's what I was wondering.

00:48:19.340 I don't know.

00:48:19.740 —But David Milstein,

00:48:22.640 an assistant in the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem,

00:48:25.740 that's, I just want to restate,

00:48:28.100 I mean, growing up around this,

00:48:29.420 that's not a high-level post.

00:48:31.640 It's like zero authority to do anything.

00:48:33.640 —And it's drafting a statement on behalf,

00:48:36.180 this is very audacious,

00:48:37.480 to draft a statement on behalf of Secretary Rubio.

00:48:39.820 —The Secretary of State.

00:48:40.680 —Yes.

00:48:40.940 —In one occasion,

00:48:42.060 again, referring just to the public reporting,

00:48:44.540 was the statement

00:48:46.140 to condemn Ireland

00:48:49.360 for considering

00:48:51.420 a bill

00:48:53.920 that would put economic sanctions on Israel.

00:48:56.060 —Condemn Ireland?

00:48:56.980 —As you can imagine, folks—

00:48:59.980 —So David Milstein was demanding,

00:49:02.260 in effect,

00:49:02.920 that the Secretary of State

00:49:03.840 condemn Ireland?

00:49:06.100 Because Ireland defended

00:49:07.240 the government of Israel?

00:49:08.000 —Yeah.

00:49:08.560 Actually, if I remember correctly,

00:49:09.620 strongly condemn,

00:49:10.320 which doesn't really,

00:49:11.300 in typical Mike speaking,

00:49:12.040 you don't know how strongly.

00:49:12.820 But yeah,

00:49:13.660 strongly condemn Ireland.

00:49:15.780 —As a nation?

00:49:17.180 —Well,

00:49:17.960 the government, I guess.

00:49:20.240 I don't,

00:49:20.480 I don't remember the language, but—

00:49:23.040 —Did Rubio read it?

00:49:25.140 —That was a rare occasion

00:49:26.420 where it went up the ladder

00:49:28.320 and it was eventually killed,

00:49:31.440 but it required

00:49:32.180 the European Affairs Bureau

00:49:33.740 and NEA and everyone to,

00:49:35.460 it took a lot of effort

00:49:36.400 because he was so,

00:49:38.000 laser-focused

00:49:39.580 on getting that through.

00:49:40.940 And who is—

00:49:41.860 —Would that be good

00:49:42.580 for the United States,

00:49:43.640 condemning Ireland?

00:49:44.700 —It would be good for Israel.

00:49:46.340 Could use our political

00:49:47.780 and diplomatic capital

00:49:49.100 on this statement

00:49:51.760 that would punish Ireland

00:49:54.760 for considering something.

00:49:56.240 —The official story

00:49:57.640 on 9-11

00:49:58.460 is a complete lie.

00:50:00.280 The 9-11 report

00:50:01.500 is a joke.

00:50:02.560 —You have the CIA

00:50:04.480 following two men

00:50:06.320 all over the planet

00:50:07.840 and then eventually

00:50:08.600 even to America, right?

00:50:10.180 And you don't tell the FBI.

00:50:12.360 9-11 commissioned

00:50:13.200 the cover-up.

00:50:14.240 —So what did happen?

00:50:21.080 What did the government know?

00:50:22.880 What did foreign governments know?

00:50:24.840 There was a cover-up.

00:50:26.380 Why?

00:50:27.080 It's been nearly 25 years

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00:50:56.720 Did you ever see,

00:50:59.020 it sounds like you had

00:50:59.760 a lot of contact

00:51:00.420 or could see

00:51:01.140 David Milstein at work a lot.

00:51:02.680 It sounds like

00:51:02.980 he was a pretty big figure

00:51:03.940 in your office in D.C.,

00:51:05.120 though he's an assistant to them.

00:51:06.760 —It was very sudden.

00:51:07.540 It was like,

00:51:08.060 oh, you don't hear from him

00:51:08.760 for three days.

00:51:09.300 All of a sudden,

00:51:09.900 you're getting a phone call

00:51:10.840 and a bunch of edits

00:51:11.380 on something

00:51:11.740 and they disappear again.

00:51:12.680 —Did he have your cell?

00:51:14.060 —The work cell.

00:51:15.040 —Yeah, he did.

00:51:16.040 How do you get your number?

00:51:17.580 —Well, at that point,

00:51:18.700 early on,

00:51:19.480 I think someone asked

00:51:21.500 that I share it with him.

00:51:22.740 So that was on my end.

00:51:25.300 —Wow.

00:51:26.160 But did you ever see

00:51:28.020 David Milstein

00:51:29.020 like thinking about

00:51:30.840 what's good for the United States

00:51:31.960 or getting aggressive

00:51:33.540 on behalf of what

00:51:34.460 our interests might be

00:51:35.720 as distinct

00:51:36.160 from Israel's interests?

00:51:37.460 —I perceived a lot

00:51:38.480 of his actions

00:51:39.200 as very

00:51:40.160 Israel-first

00:51:41.700 from my point of view

00:51:43.180 because that statement

00:51:44.440 didn't make sense.

00:51:45.660 Those edits,

00:51:46.280 the press lines

00:51:47.020 didn't make sense.

00:51:49.220 And in particular,

00:51:50.500 with Judea and Samaria,

00:51:51.680 that not only

00:51:53.160 would not make sense

00:51:54.820 for how dangerous it is

00:51:55.700 for what that means

00:51:56.460 because,

00:51:56.860 as you discussed,

00:51:58.300 there's no land barrier

00:51:59.280 to that,

00:52:00.100 but it hurts

00:52:01.040 our relationships

00:52:01.660 with the region.

00:52:02.480 For example,

00:52:03.360 we rely on Jordan

00:52:04.240 for so many things,

00:52:05.520 but if we start

00:52:06.260 calling it Judea and Samaria,

00:52:08.560 that undermines

00:52:09.460 our military relationship,

00:52:11.640 our relationship

00:52:12.400 dealing with refugees

00:52:13.260 in Jordan.

00:52:14.040 —Well,

00:52:14.200 so some of that land

00:52:14.940 is in Jordan.

00:52:16.600 —Exactly.

00:52:17.860 —Right.

00:52:18.360 So,

00:52:18.800 I mean,

00:52:19.140 you can't,

00:52:20.400 I mean,

00:52:20.720 if,

00:52:21.260 yeah,

00:52:22.980 that would cause problems.

00:52:24.660 —And that's one example,

00:52:25.580 like the whole region

00:52:26.640 —So these are not,

00:52:27.340 this is diplomacy.

00:52:28.400 This is the State Department

00:52:29.280 of the United States of America,

00:52:30.520 which is still

00:52:31.340 a global superpower

00:52:32.120 even now.

00:52:33.340 And so Jordan,

00:52:35.800 the Jordanian economy

00:52:36.980 relies on U.S. aid.

00:52:38.880 —Yep.

00:52:39.600 —We proffer that aid

00:52:40.600 at the request of Israel

00:52:41.880 because Jordan

00:52:43.120 is filled with refugees

00:52:44.180 in the 1948 war

00:52:45.500 that created Israel

00:52:46.400 and subsequent refugees,

00:52:47.540 67,

00:52:48.120 and filled with refugees,

00:52:49.280 including from Syria,

00:52:50.480 a war that we fought

00:52:52.160 on behalf of Israel.

00:52:53.220 So we pay Jordan,

00:52:54.320 we also pay Egypt

00:52:55.160 to keep them calm.

00:52:57.060 And now you're saying

00:52:58.520 he wanted to issue

00:52:59.320 a statement saying

00:53:00.280 to Jordan,

00:53:01.380 by the way,

00:53:02.960 part of your territory

00:53:04.220 and what you thought

00:53:05.040 was a sovereign nation

00:53:05.900 actually doesn't belong to you.

00:53:07.940 —Yeah.

00:53:08.500 And just,

00:53:09.100 so,

00:53:10.980 terrible.

00:53:13.160 And so,

00:53:13.980 we can go back

00:53:15.140 to that day three

00:53:15.760 because I cut that line.

00:53:18.580 And,

00:53:19.400 by the way,

00:53:20.440 this isn't a unilateral action

00:53:21.980 by me.

00:53:22.640 There are others

00:53:23.540 who agree with me.

00:53:24.740 So I'm not doing it

00:53:25.420 with the backing

00:53:25.940 of my own thoughts.

00:53:27.880 —Well,

00:53:28.080 that's not a hard one.

00:53:29.000 Judea and Samaria,

00:53:29.800 I mean,

00:53:30.740 isn't there,

00:53:32.040 I mean,

00:53:32.280 it's been a long time

00:53:32.940 since we're in the State Department,

00:53:33.800 but I mean,

00:53:34.080 I always thought there was like a,

00:53:36.620 like there's a protocol to things,

00:53:38.080 which in some cases is silly,

00:53:39.320 but some cases is real.

00:53:40.440 Like,

00:53:41.000 do we refer to that region

00:53:43.100 as Judea and Samaria

00:53:44.560 or don't we?

00:53:45.500 Like,

00:53:45.720 this is something

00:53:46.220 that's been gone over before,

00:53:47.420 correct?

00:53:47.880 —Yeah.

00:53:48.880 No,

00:53:49.080 we don't.

00:53:50.140 —We don't.

00:53:50.700 We never have.

00:53:51.420 —Secretary Rubio

00:53:52.460 did not use it.

00:53:53.720 President Trump

00:53:54.340 did not use it.

00:53:55.920 Ambassador Huckabee has.

00:53:58.740 Now,

00:53:59.220 that was,

00:53:59.540 that's different.

00:54:00.480 —Did anyone ever ask

00:54:01.340 Ambassador Huckabee,

00:54:02.120 what land specifically

00:54:03.500 are you referring to

00:54:04.440 when you say that?

00:54:05.160 —Not from what I've seen.

00:54:06.140 —Because reporters

00:54:07.140 are morons,

00:54:07.800 that's why.

00:54:08.820 When someone asks

00:54:09.260 like an obvious question,

00:54:10.100 like Judea and Samaria,

00:54:10.820 where's that?

00:54:11.340 Can you draw it for me

00:54:12.060 on a map?

00:54:13.660 Show me the boundaries

00:54:14.640 of this place

00:54:15.300 you're talking about.

00:54:16.000 —Well,

00:54:16.020 even if they did ask,

00:54:17.020 the lines wouldn't even

00:54:18.260 answer the question directly,

00:54:19.840 right?

00:54:20.020 Because in person,

00:54:21.480 they should have asked him,

00:54:22.160 yes,

00:54:22.380 I agree.

00:54:22.800 —What are you talking about?

00:54:24.340 Where is that?

00:54:25.580 —Yeah.

00:54:26.180 —No one will ever

00:54:27.020 ask that question.

00:54:27.780 —And Ambassador Huckabee

00:54:28.720 always had extreme comments

00:54:30.540 either in person

00:54:31.720 or on his Twitter account.

00:54:35.060 But for most of my time

00:54:37.300 at the State Department,

00:54:39.160 the response would be,

00:54:40.660 well,

00:54:40.920 those are Ambassador Huckabee's words.

00:54:42.560 We do this dance.

00:54:45.060 But now,

00:54:46.200 now that I,

00:54:46.600 especially after firing me,

00:54:48.380 you're getting an unleashed

00:54:49.780 Embassy Jerusalem

00:54:50.980 because who's going to

00:54:51.620 do anything to stop them?

00:54:53.740 Because they already had

00:54:54.660 so much influence

00:54:55.320 to begin with.

00:54:56.520 But when I'm used

00:54:57.920 as an example,

00:54:58.800 they fire me

00:54:59.460 as someone who

00:55:00.180 did the very basic thing

00:55:01.960 of cutting a line

00:55:02.980 that did not make sense.

00:55:04.580 —It's also inconsistent

00:55:05.660 with longstanding

00:55:06.740 U.S. policy.

00:55:07.740 —Right.

00:55:08.400 And if you want to keep your job,

00:55:09.660 who in the future

00:55:10.340 is going to want to—

00:55:11.500 —I'm not—

00:55:11.960 Here's where you're

00:55:12.520 confusing me.

00:55:13.220 Now,

00:55:13.440 I know that you say

00:55:15.100 he's Mark Levin's

00:55:16.380 stepson,

00:55:16.800 but, I mean,

00:55:17.320 nobody takes

00:55:18.440 Mark Levin seriously

00:55:19.580 and no one watches

00:55:20.580 his show

00:55:21.080 and, like,

00:55:21.520 he's just not a real,

00:55:22.620 not a real person.

00:55:23.680 He's, like,

00:55:23.940 an angry old man

00:55:24.580 on Twitter.

00:55:25.560 Who cares

00:55:26.540 who stepson he is?

00:55:27.640 Like,

00:55:27.800 why doesn't anyone say,

00:55:29.000 hey,

00:55:30.120 tell that Milstein kid

00:55:31.340 to shut the fuck up?

00:55:32.840 Like,

00:55:33.020 that's not hard.

00:55:33.800 Why doesn't someone do that?

00:55:36.080 —Honestly,

00:55:36.540 that was,

00:55:37.040 that was my question.

00:55:38.220 I did not know

00:55:39.260 why people

00:55:40.160 would, like,

00:55:42.040 people would,

00:55:42.800 would acknowledge

00:55:44.260 the pushiness,

00:55:45.320 but that's all

00:55:46.140 I really got.

00:55:47.720 —No one ever

00:55:48.240 told him to stop?

00:55:50.880 It was difficult

00:55:51.740 to say no to him

00:55:52.520 on a lot of occasions.

00:55:54.160 —Why?

00:55:54.340 —So,

00:55:54.540 people did say no,

00:55:56.020 but it took a lot of effort.

00:55:57.380 So,

00:55:57.740 from my vantage point,

00:55:59.600 I'm wondering

00:56:00.560 why would someone

00:56:02.120 have so much influence

00:56:02.880 and why are people

00:56:03.440 almost tiptoeing

00:56:04.920 around it,

00:56:05.820 right?

00:56:05.940 —It sounds like they were.

00:56:07.180 —Right?

00:56:07.520 And you would have to

00:56:08.360 take a group effort

00:56:09.920 of, okay,

00:56:10.400 this bureau and this bureau

00:56:11.460 don't want to put

00:56:11.940 this statement out

00:56:12.580 and then

00:56:13.440 it would

00:56:14.500 go away,

00:56:15.640 but that was it.

00:56:17.260 —So,

00:56:17.380 it was really

00:56:17.760 a lot of this,

00:56:18.460 you think,

00:56:18.940 based on your experience,

00:56:19.840 was coming from

00:56:20.320 this one guy?

00:56:22.040 —Correct.

00:56:22.680 Now,

00:56:23.280 it was him,

00:56:24.360 although you're right

00:56:25.400 that he does have

00:56:26.100 limitations over his title,

00:56:27.200 right?

00:56:27.340 He can't,

00:56:28.240 an advisor to

00:56:28.900 Ambassador Huckabee

00:56:29.460 can't fire me,

00:56:30.800 but he does have

00:56:32.160 particular people

00:56:33.660 on the seventh floor,

00:56:35.280 and what I mean by

00:56:35.680 seventh floor is people

00:56:36.580 around Secretary Rubio,

00:56:38.320 that,

00:56:39.420 from my perspective,

00:56:40.320 he looped in

00:56:43.780 the neocons

00:56:45.120 that were

00:56:45.700 influential,

00:56:47.340 and they had

00:56:48.420 the power to do so.

00:56:49.640 So,

00:56:49.940 he would rile them up

00:56:51.040 on Israel

00:56:52.340 or me

00:56:52.940 or whatever

00:56:53.640 issue there was,

00:56:54.920 and they would come down.

00:56:56.080 So,

00:56:56.700 my firing didn't

00:56:57.720 come from

00:56:58.660 Milstein.

00:56:59.880 —Of course.

00:57:00.720 —It came from

00:57:01.540 Secretary Rubio's staff,

00:57:03.780 and these are like

00:57:04.440 a couple of

00:57:05.600 Heritage Foundation guys

00:57:07.540 who want foreign policy.

00:57:08.880 You can say,

00:57:09.540 oh,

00:57:09.700 President Trump,

00:57:10.440 you know,

00:57:10.840 he's going to have

00:57:11.240 Heritage guys there.

00:57:12.120 That's his right

00:57:13.940 as someone who won

00:57:14.460 the election.

00:57:15.240 But if you listen

00:57:16.540 to President Trump

00:57:17.060 on foreign policy,

00:57:18.520 it doesn't make sense

00:57:19.240 to have a bunch

00:57:20.260 of Heritage guys

00:57:20.800 around you.

00:57:22.160 —So,

00:57:22.760 you said that

00:57:23.680 Milstein,

00:57:26.000 who is a nobody

00:57:27.920 on the org chart,

00:57:29.820 had sort of

00:57:31.440 amazing power,

00:57:32.220 including making

00:57:33.800 personnel decisions

00:57:34.740 effectively,

00:57:35.560 because he would

00:57:36.740 just go everyone's,

00:57:37.680 up over everyone's head

00:57:39.100 along the chain,

00:57:40.260 up to and including

00:57:41.840 the seventh floor

00:57:42.600 management level

00:57:43.840 at the State Department,

00:57:45.680 and had influence

00:57:46.680 with people

00:57:48.100 on Secretary Rubio's

00:57:49.880 staff.

00:57:50.320 Do you know who?

00:57:51.620 —My understanding

00:57:52.760 was that

00:57:53.600 it was his deputy

00:57:54.360 chief of staff

00:57:55.120 that came down

00:57:56.460 in order to

00:57:57.940 essentially fire me.

00:58:01.560 Now—

00:58:01.720 —I think that'd be

00:58:02.220 Dan Holler,

00:58:03.020 formerly of Heritage.

00:58:04.300 —Possible.

00:58:04.920 —Possible.

00:58:05.260 —Okay.

00:58:05.720 —Yeah.

00:58:06.720 —So,

00:58:07.260 you'd heard that?

00:58:07.980 —I heard that.

00:58:08.760 —But it was pretty

00:58:09.520 clear to you

00:58:10.920 that it was

00:58:12.100 David Milstein,

00:58:13.340 this assistant

00:58:14.040 to the U.S.

00:58:15.040 ambassador

00:58:15.520 to a foreign

00:58:16.240 country,

00:58:16.720 who was

00:58:19.280 basically line

00:58:20.760 editing statements

00:58:22.000 out of

00:58:22.740 State Department HQ.

00:58:25.000 —Yeah.

00:58:25.680 And it was another

00:58:26.460 hint, too,

00:58:27.520 was that

00:58:27.980 I had flagged

00:58:29.660 for the

00:58:30.160 spokesperson's

00:58:32.040 staff

00:58:32.420 the intention

00:58:34.340 to add

00:58:35.040 Judaism area.

00:58:36.320 Just the FYI,

00:58:37.060 this happened,

00:58:37.540 right?

00:58:38.500 And the next

00:58:39.520 day,

00:58:39.800 which was

00:58:40.000 Wednesday,

00:58:41.280 instead of

00:58:42.920 moving along,

00:58:45.060 the staff

00:58:45.500 asked,

00:58:47.840 actually the

00:58:48.540 acting spokesperson

00:58:49.160 asked to speak

00:58:50.080 with David Milstein

00:58:50.640 about the West Bank

00:58:51.680 lines,

00:58:52.160 but without me.

00:58:53.780 And then the

00:58:54.200 next day

00:58:54.900 is when,

00:58:56.760 Thursday,

00:58:57.660 is when

00:58:58.200 people started

00:58:59.120 coming down on me.

00:59:00.400 So,

00:59:01.260 the way I

00:59:01.680 pieced it

00:59:02.000 together was

00:59:02.780 that conversation

00:59:03.720 about West Bank

00:59:04.800 lines and

00:59:05.880 Milstein being

00:59:06.800 aware that I

00:59:07.300 cut the

00:59:07.580 Judea and Samaria

00:59:08.060 line led

00:59:09.780 to the

00:59:10.820 Thursday-Friday

00:59:11.500 crackdown from

00:59:12.380 the secretary's office.

00:59:13.020 —Just to be

00:59:13.200 clear,

00:59:13.680 again,

00:59:14.240 putting Judea

00:59:15.220 and Samaria

00:59:16.000 in an official

00:59:16.960 U.S.

00:59:17.340 government

00:59:17.540 communication is

00:59:18.440 like using

00:59:18.780 the term

00:59:19.180 Narnia or

00:59:20.160 something.

00:59:20.700 It's not

00:59:21.140 a real place.

00:59:22.580 This is

00:59:23.180 fantasy land,

00:59:24.480 and it's

00:59:25.540 beneath a great

00:59:26.880 power to even

00:59:27.600 have dumb

00:59:28.400 conversations like

00:59:29.320 this.

00:59:29.680 —It opens

00:59:29.940 the door to

00:59:30.500 instability.

00:59:30.980 It opens

00:59:31.960 door to

00:59:32.860 hurting our

00:59:34.080 relationship

00:59:34.420 significantly

00:59:34.940 with our

00:59:35.360 partners.

00:59:36.640 It doesn't

00:59:37.220 serve U.S.

00:59:38.620 interests.

00:59:39.580 —At all.

00:59:40.180 —At all.

00:59:42.100 —Okay.

00:59:43.940 Did anyone else

00:59:44.980 at the State

00:59:45.340 Department share

00:59:45.880 these views?

00:59:47.040 Like,

00:59:47.300 that crosses,

00:59:49.220 just as someone

00:59:49.760 from D.C.,

00:59:50.360 I just like,

00:59:50.760 no,

00:59:50.940 that crosses

00:59:51.520 like a bright,

00:59:52.240 bright line.

00:59:52.800 —Yeah,

00:59:52.980 look,

00:59:53.840 there are

00:59:55.220 folks who

00:59:57.920 might be

00:59:58.180 close to

00:59:59.060 that worldview,

01:00:00.640 but from

01:00:02.360 my personal

01:00:02.960 interactions,

01:00:04.860 Milstein was

01:00:05.400 the farthest

01:00:06.300 out there.

01:00:08.420 —Did I have

01:00:09.780 to ask you this,

01:00:10.400 but I just want

01:00:10.980 to be clear,

01:00:11.500 I don't think

01:00:12.000 you should

01:00:12.360 punish people

01:00:13.400 for their

01:00:13.740 relatives,

01:00:14.140 so I'm not

01:00:14.800 mad at David

01:00:15.340 Milstein

01:00:15.640 because his

01:00:16.260 stepfather

01:00:16.740 is a douche.

01:00:18.320 I mean,

01:00:18.480 that's certainly

01:00:19.000 not his fault

01:00:19.660 at all,

01:00:20.180 and neither

01:00:21.300 is David Milstein

01:00:22.060 Mark Levin's

01:00:23.300 fault,

01:00:23.640 so I just

01:00:24.020 want to be

01:00:24.240 clear about

01:00:24.540 that.

01:00:24.780 I don't

01:00:25.100 believe in

01:00:25.460 collective

01:00:25.700 punishment,

01:00:26.420 unlike some

01:00:27.380 other countries

01:00:27.960 like Israel,

01:00:28.780 which is big

01:00:29.160 on collective

01:00:29.500 punishment.

01:00:29.940 I oppose it

01:00:30.680 completely as

01:00:31.420 a Christian,

01:00:31.980 so I'm not

01:00:33.000 engaging in it

01:00:33.760 here,

01:00:34.280 but did you

01:00:35.760 ever see Mark

01:00:36.260 Levin over

01:00:36.640 there?

01:00:36.980 Did he have

01:00:37.380 any role in

01:00:38.140 the operation

01:00:39.720 of the State

01:00:40.200 Department?

01:00:40.900 I never came

01:00:41.280 across anything.

01:00:42.140 I think there's

01:00:42.540 a lot happening

01:00:43.360 above my head

01:00:44.540 regardless,

01:00:45.340 just even my

01:00:46.160 firing,

01:00:46.700 it's like

01:00:47.060 Embassy

01:00:48.100 Jerusalem was

01:00:48.740 contacting this

01:00:49.280 guy who

01:00:49.680 was then

01:00:49.980 trying to

01:00:50.380 crack down

01:00:50.680 on me,

01:00:51.060 and then

01:00:51.360 it's a

01:00:51.960 mystery for

01:00:52.380 a day or

01:00:52.660 two why

01:00:52.940 that's

01:00:53.120 happening,

01:00:53.460 and then

01:00:53.720 it becomes

01:00:54.340 clear.

01:00:55.340 So those

01:00:56.740 conversations are

01:00:57.460 concerning,

01:00:58.000 and it makes

01:00:58.860 me question,

01:00:59.460 like if we're

01:01:00.400 talking about

01:01:00.940 the Saudi

01:01:01.340 speech in

01:01:01.760 May of

01:01:02.000 President

01:01:02.220 Trump,

01:01:02.700 how do

01:01:03.140 we go

01:01:03.400 from that

01:01:04.700 kind of

01:01:04.960 statement

01:01:05.240 to these

01:01:06.540 kind of

01:01:06.800 policies?

01:01:07.680 And so

01:01:08.000 that is my

01:01:09.000 biggest question

01:01:09.600 out of all

01:01:09.920 of this,

01:01:10.220 is why did

01:01:10.780 this pivot

01:01:11.120 happen,

01:01:12.100 and what

01:01:13.260 does this

01:01:13.520 mean for

01:01:14.100 Israel policy

01:01:14.800 moving forward?

01:01:15.320 It's already

01:01:15.540 extreme to

01:01:16.020 begin with.

01:01:16.780 Is it going

01:01:17.380 to become even

01:01:17.840 more radical?

01:01:18.800 It already

01:01:19.360 has.

01:01:20.720 Does anybody

01:01:21.520 else, I mean,

01:01:22.340 are there other

01:01:22.840 people at State

01:01:23.500 Department?

01:01:24.060 So, you know,

01:01:25.760 you came in not

01:01:26.800 as a former

01:01:27.300 Trump staffer,

01:01:28.020 but as someone

01:01:28.440 who, as you've

01:01:29.040 said, agreed

01:01:30.000 with his

01:01:31.260 basic impulse

01:01:32.320 on foreign

01:01:32.720 policy, which

01:01:33.240 is like, hey,

01:01:33.860 let's have more

01:01:35.480 peace, less

01:01:35.940 war.

01:01:36.200 there must

01:01:38.000 have been

01:01:38.240 other people

01:01:38.720 there who

01:01:39.080 were like

01:01:39.460 full-blown

01:01:39.840 America first

01:01:40.480 people, I

01:01:40.920 would think,

01:01:41.560 would hope.

01:01:42.820 Did any of

01:01:43.260 them ever say

01:01:43.800 to you, this

01:01:44.500 isn't really

01:01:44.960 America first?

01:01:46.900 It's true.

01:01:47.500 It's, look,

01:01:48.640 people were

01:01:49.300 happy after

01:01:50.300 Trump won

01:01:50.860 when, like,

01:01:52.640 okay, we're

01:01:52.940 getting Trump

01:01:53.720 too, but we

01:01:55.020 don't have

01:01:55.560 John Bolton

01:01:56.260 and Michael

01:01:56.760 Peo and

01:01:57.780 Nikki Haley

01:01:58.220 back again,

01:01:59.280 right?

01:02:00.940 The issue

01:02:01.780 is a lot of

01:02:02.520 the personnel

01:02:02.940 problems are

01:02:03.560 still there,

01:02:04.220 but at a

01:02:05.700 more, it's

01:02:07.580 more subtle.

01:02:08.440 Like, an

01:02:08.700 ambassador

01:02:09.020 Huckabee, to

01:02:09.620 me, is still

01:02:10.220 part of that

01:02:10.640 same grouping

01:02:11.160 in terms of

01:02:12.060 the damage it

01:02:12.820 can do in

01:02:13.260 our foreign

01:02:13.700 policy, right?

01:02:15.600 And, uh,

01:02:17.480 well, so give

01:02:18.100 me an example

01:02:18.600 of the damage

01:02:19.180 you think

01:02:19.560 Huckabee has

01:02:20.060 done to

01:02:20.400 American foreign

01:02:20.960 policy, since

01:02:21.940 you paid close

01:02:22.860 attention to his

01:02:23.680 statements, and I

01:02:24.560 really haven't.

01:02:25.960 Well, that's,

01:02:26.480 it's the lack

01:02:28.080 of accountability

01:02:28.800 for, uh,

01:02:30.800 well, having

01:02:32.700 Milstein around

01:02:33.560 adding

01:02:33.800 Judea and

01:02:34.060 Samaria, you

01:02:34.540 know, right?

01:02:34.840 Like, these

01:02:35.160 are your

01:02:35.460 trusted senior

01:02:36.420 advisors, right?

01:02:37.900 And so, there's

01:02:39.100 that, there's

01:02:39.660 the no follow

01:02:40.180 through on

01:02:41.280 what happened

01:02:41.860 in Taipei

01:02:42.520 and in the

01:02:43.000 West, in the

01:02:43.660 West Bank, and

01:02:44.380 what happened

01:02:44.680 to the church

01:02:45.080 in Gaza.

01:02:46.100 It's our

01:02:46.460 entire Israel

01:02:47.600 policy.

01:02:48.180 He goes out

01:02:49.060 there, there

01:02:50.420 were tweets

01:02:50.880 from several

01:02:51.380 weeks ago

01:02:51.820 where he was,

01:02:52.500 uh, attacking

01:02:53.900 the UK prime

01:02:54.600 minister, an

01:02:55.620 ambassador was.

01:02:56.980 He started

01:02:57.700 calling the

01:02:58.840 prime minister

01:02:59.340 out for, um,

01:03:01.460 questioning Israel's

01:03:02.220 conduct in Gaza,

01:03:02.920 and he, he

01:03:04.140 said, if you,

01:03:05.320 something along

01:03:05.900 the lines of, um,

01:03:08.040 if it wasn't for

01:03:08.600 Dresden, you'd all

01:03:09.580 be speaking German.

01:03:10.440 So, green

01:03:11.400 lighting, the

01:03:11.940 slaughter of

01:03:12.680 Palestinians,

01:03:13.760 essentially,

01:03:14.060 think it's okay,

01:03:15.040 which was

01:03:15.500 horrific language.

01:03:16.660 He endorsed

01:03:16.780 Dresden?

01:03:18.400 It's, it's on

01:03:19.020 Twitter.

01:03:19.720 It was, it was

01:03:20.400 horrific.

01:03:20.800 The bombing of

01:03:21.260 Dresden?

01:03:21.900 I, the way, yeah,

01:03:22.800 he was comparing,

01:03:23.720 he was comparing

01:03:24.400 Dresden to

01:03:25.580 what's happening

01:03:26.820 in Gaza and

01:03:27.460 saying, I don't

01:03:27.940 think there's

01:03:28.420 anybody, it's, it's

01:03:29.400 hardly a pro-Hitler,

01:03:30.400 I'm anti-Hitler,

01:03:31.040 for whatever it's

01:03:31.660 worth, just to be

01:03:32.260 clear, it's, it's

01:03:33.700 hardly pro-Nazi to

01:03:35.080 say that what the

01:03:36.560 allies did in the

01:03:37.240 British, really,

01:03:37.880 mostly at Dresden

01:03:38.920 was a war crime.

01:03:40.020 I mean, nobody,

01:03:40.760 nobody would say

01:03:42.340 otherwise.

01:03:42.980 He endorsed

01:03:43.620 Dresden, the

01:03:44.240 Dresden bombing?

01:03:45.180 Who gives an

01:03:45.800 ambassador the

01:03:47.020 green light to

01:03:48.840 poke at a, a

01:03:51.240 allies prime

01:03:52.220 minister, the UK,

01:03:53.580 a true ally, um,

01:03:55.760 and to, um,

01:03:57.780 like the, the,

01:04:00.180 the nonchalant

01:04:02.880 attitude towards

01:04:03.820 like the slaughter

01:04:04.500 of people, both in

01:04:05.440 Dresden or in

01:04:06.400 comparing it to

01:04:06.900 what's happening in

01:04:07.460 Gaza, is, it's,

01:04:08.980 yeah, that's, that's

01:04:09.740 not, um, so of

01:04:10.760 course, that's not,

01:04:11.420 that's not the

01:04:12.000 Christian view, you

01:04:12.960 know, murdering

01:04:13.440 innocence is always

01:04:14.240 wrong, period.

01:04:15.680 That is damaging

01:04:16.680 who does it.

01:04:17.880 And I despise the

01:04:19.420 UK and its prime

01:04:20.300 minister, and I'm

01:04:20.900 totally happy to

01:04:21.600 urinate on both,

01:04:22.520 but it should be

01:04:23.640 from the perspective

01:04:24.300 of what's good for

01:04:24.900 the United States,

01:04:25.520 not what's good for

01:04:26.440 another country,

01:04:27.680 like, that's

01:04:28.040 bonkers.

01:04:29.100 That's really, yeah.

01:04:31.240 Does anybody say

01:04:32.280 anything about that,

01:04:33.140 like, internally?

01:04:34.200 Is there any effort

01:04:34.820 to?

01:04:35.040 Well, yeah, all the

01:04:35.280 time, people are

01:04:35.680 like, oh, cringe,

01:04:36.420 people cringe at it

01:04:37.260 when they see all,

01:04:37.780 saw those tweets,

01:04:39.240 but.

01:04:39.800 Well, so typically

01:04:40.580 in an administration,

01:04:42.480 um, you know, the

01:04:43.560 ambassador serves the

01:04:45.820 president as his

01:04:47.660 diplom, you know, the

01:04:49.460 chief diplomat in the

01:04:50.560 country to which he's

01:04:51.140 posted, and, you

01:04:53.020 know, there are a

01:04:54.080 million examples all

01:04:55.020 the time of the

01:04:55.880 ambassador getting

01:04:56.560 called back to

01:04:57.460 Washington or getting

01:04:58.220 a cable from D.C.,

01:04:59.360 whoa, that's not our

01:05:00.320 policy, you know,

01:05:01.820 pull it in line with

01:05:02.580 what the president's

01:05:03.300 view is because that's

01:05:04.140 who you work for.

01:05:05.540 Right.

01:05:05.820 So if, and did

01:05:06.980 anyone do that with

01:05:07.600 Huckabee?

01:05:09.020 Never.

01:05:10.020 You have, he's

01:05:12.020 representing Secretary

01:05:13.100 Rubio, Secretary

01:05:13.840 Rubio is representing

01:05:14.960 the president, and no

01:05:17.220 one is stopping

01:05:18.020 Ambassador Huckabee from

01:05:18.820 going fully unleashed.

01:05:19.760 And that's why my

01:05:21.720 very basic edits and

01:05:25.180 suggestions from the,

01:05:26.280 from that week was

01:05:27.860 such a red flag that

01:05:29.240 they had to get rid of

01:05:29.740 me immediately.

01:05:30.600 What that means is

01:05:32.600 that if we're not

01:05:33.380 stopping Ambassador

01:05:34.720 Huckabee at that

01:05:35.560 level, that becomes

01:05:36.360 policy.

01:05:38.200 Yes.

01:05:38.860 Yes, that's right.

01:05:39.920 Right?

01:05:40.300 So that's it.

01:05:40.840 And, and if I'm going

01:05:43.600 to be fired for, for

01:05:45.160 lines of what were, or

01:05:48.000 should be, and I think

01:05:49.420 are, President Trump's

01:05:50.860 views, then things are

01:05:53.000 moving in a more radical

01:05:53.640 direction, and they will.

01:05:56.100 Yeah, I mean, I guess I

01:05:58.180 am for moving in a bunch

01:05:59.360 of different radical

01:05:59.960 directions, like banning

01:06:01.080 high interest loans.

01:06:02.200 Yes.

01:06:02.680 You know, I'm strongly

01:06:03.400 for that.

01:06:04.460 What I'm not in favor of

01:06:06.360 is moving in radical

01:06:07.800 directions on behalf of a

01:06:09.060 foreign country whose

01:06:10.220 interests are not

01:06:10.780 the same as ours, that

01:06:11.720 are aligned in some

01:06:12.500 things and diverge at

01:06:13.480 other points, but they're

01:06:14.360 not the same.

01:06:15.380 Why would you want to be

01:06:16.220 radical on behalf of

01:06:17.280 another country?

01:06:18.900 Right.

01:06:19.300 It makes no sense.

01:06:20.340 Well, it's unpatriotic.

01:06:21.880 Yes.

01:06:22.060 It's totally wrong, and

01:06:23.460 it's America last.

01:06:24.600 It's also a form of

01:06:26.180 treachery, I think,

01:06:28.280 subverting our foreign

01:06:29.300 policy on behalf of

01:06:30.420 another country that I

01:06:32.220 wasn't, I'm not a

01:06:33.080 citizen of that country.

01:06:33.800 What do you, that's my

01:06:34.200 tax dollars.

01:06:35.000 What are you doing?

01:06:36.420 Right?

01:06:37.140 Right.

01:06:37.580 And we did all of this.

01:06:39.060 We're burning

01:06:39.720 diplomatic capital,

01:06:40.520 left and right.

01:06:41.920 Australia, the UK,

01:06:44.360 Canada, we've all these

01:06:47.380 US allies considering

01:06:48.280 recognizing the

01:06:49.080 Palestinian state, and

01:06:50.300 we're going out there

01:06:51.060 attacking them one by

01:06:52.740 one on behalf of

01:06:56.100 Israel.

01:06:56.860 Those are our partners.

01:06:58.120 Is it worth it?

01:06:59.000 But we're also not, I

01:06:59.780 mean, they've, all those

01:07:00.700 countries have basically

01:07:01.620 eliminated human rights in

01:07:02.640 their own countries,

01:07:03.620 eliminated freedom of

01:07:04.460 speech, freedom of

01:07:05.300 movement, freedom of

01:07:06.080 association.

01:07:06.680 They've got political

01:07:07.520 prisoners.

01:07:08.680 It's crazy what those

01:07:09.840 countries are doing to

01:07:10.700 their own citizens.

01:07:11.340 We don't say a word.

01:07:12.820 But if they criticize a

01:07:13.740 foreign, another country,

01:07:15.020 then we attack them?

01:07:16.700 Yeah.

01:07:16.960 We have other issues we

01:07:18.660 could discuss with them,

01:07:19.520 but instead we choose to

01:07:22.960 make Israel this odd red

01:07:25.940 line.

01:07:26.300 And it takes a lot of

01:07:28.220 diplomatic capital to

01:07:29.640 attack your allies.

01:07:31.320 We need them for so many

01:07:32.440 things.

01:07:33.740 It doesn't matter if it's

01:07:35.260 trade or war or some

01:07:38.320 resolution of the UN.

01:07:39.660 This is terrific.

01:07:40.560 So I just said, I want to

01:07:41.580 ask you a couple of just

01:07:42.400 policy questions.

01:07:43.520 I mean, and just if you

01:07:45.120 don't mind.

01:07:45.780 Sure.

01:07:46.200 Because they're

01:07:46.600 speculative, but I just

01:07:48.620 want to draw on information

01:07:50.240 that you gleaned in your job

01:07:51.760 at the State Department.

01:07:53.520 What is, as non-emotional

01:07:55.680 and clinical as you can

01:07:56.500 be, what is the plan here

01:07:59.800 with Gaza and the West

01:08:01.060 Bank?

01:08:02.100 What do you think?

01:08:02.840 I keep wondering, like,

01:08:04.080 okay, you know, every day

01:08:06.200 it's a, no, we killed

01:08:07.140 them, but it was a mistake

01:08:08.400 or we thought they were

01:08:09.060 Hamas.

01:08:09.400 Okay, got it.

01:08:09.940 But like, what is the

01:08:12.260 plan?

01:08:12.840 Are they really going to

01:08:13.400 move 2 million people out

01:08:14.600 of Gaza?

01:08:15.120 Do you think that's

01:08:15.560 actually going to happen?

01:08:18.020 That's, this is what I'm

01:08:19.100 afraid about.

01:08:20.320 On the West Bank, I think

01:08:22.380 we were setting up a

01:08:25.680 annexation, and I think

01:08:28.220 the news from the past

01:08:29.040 couple of days shows

01:08:29.760 that that's true.

01:08:30.520 What does annexation

01:08:31.380 mean?

01:08:32.420 There's going to be an

01:08:34.480 Israeli takeover of the

01:08:35.980 West Bank, and basically

01:08:37.420 Area C is, was supposed

01:08:39.260 to be where the

01:08:40.240 Palestinians had full

01:08:40.880 control.

01:08:41.840 Israelis want to take

01:08:43.420 over that and call the

01:08:45.220 entire West Bank and

01:08:48.560 call it, say it's part

01:08:49.700 of Israel.

01:08:51.220 And that will require...

01:08:52.560 Then do the Palestinians

01:08:53.720 live there, get voting

01:08:54.500 rights?

01:08:54.800 These are all questions

01:08:56.980 that they have not

01:08:57.680 answered, and I don't

01:08:58.680 believe anyone wants to

01:09:00.020 answer.

01:09:00.800 Why?

01:09:01.000 It's such an obvious

01:09:01.580 question.

01:09:03.000 I know.

01:09:03.660 What's your plan?

01:09:04.640 Why does no one ask that

01:09:05.760 question?

01:09:06.640 People even ask, even the

01:09:08.000 IDF in some occasions

01:09:09.580 asks, like, hey, this is a

01:09:10.700 military takeover.

01:09:11.380 What are we going to do?

01:09:12.340 Like, and the ministers

01:09:13.540 don't care.

01:09:15.080 For whatever it's worth,

01:09:16.060 it's not my country, and

01:09:17.040 I'm not that interested, but

01:09:18.320 I just notice that the IDF

01:09:21.040 for all the grief that it

01:09:22.760 takes, it's actually been a

01:09:24.700 voice of restraint in Gaza

01:09:27.060 and the West Bank, at least

01:09:28.200 publicly.

01:09:28.720 They're like, wait a second,

01:09:29.640 you're asking us, I mean,

01:09:30.320 they're just a military.

01:09:30.900 They flagged going into

01:09:31.540 Gaza City.

01:09:32.100 They're like, hey, this is

01:09:32.680 going to be the same thing.

01:09:35.000 They're just a military with a

01:09:36.180 bunch of reservists, you know,

01:09:37.920 some professionals, but lots

01:09:38.820 of reservists.

01:09:39.580 And like every military, they

01:09:41.080 kind of want to know why

01:09:41.940 they're putting their lives at

01:09:42.840 risk.

01:09:43.140 At least that's my read on it.

01:09:44.660 Yeah, it's true.

01:09:46.780 And that's a whole other

01:09:49.180 discussion, but I am worried

01:09:50.540 about the like political and

01:09:52.100 direction of Israel.

01:09:53.680 It's going to be more and more

01:09:54.860 extreme and those guardrails are

01:09:57.720 gone, but they're taking over

01:10:00.260 the West Bank.

01:10:01.820 We don't know what that looks

01:10:02.720 like.

01:10:02.980 It's extremely dangerous.

01:10:04.420 And what's the pretext?

01:10:06.180 Because like the residents of the

01:10:08.700 West Bank had nothing to do with

01:10:10.620 the attacks on southern Israel,

01:10:13.520 right?

01:10:14.200 But it opens the door because

01:10:15.520 you're so focused on Gaza and

01:10:17.400 this is...

01:10:18.500 But is there a justification for

01:10:19.860 it?

01:10:20.020 Is it like they don't have any

01:10:21.360 hostages in the West Bank, do

01:10:22.560 they?

01:10:23.020 No, no, there is no

01:10:24.420 justification.

01:10:25.300 It's what's awful is that

01:10:27.720 instead of focusing on

01:10:30.820 securing the release of the

01:10:31.780 hostages or just securing

01:10:35.260 their own country, they've used

01:10:36.940 this entire war, it's nearly

01:10:39.060 two years now, to pursue

01:10:42.160 opportunities.

01:10:42.880 We're going to bomb Beirut and

01:10:45.660 kill all these civilians.

01:10:46.780 We're going to bomb Syria, kill

01:10:51.000 civilians on too many occasions

01:10:53.060 there, the bombing raids on

01:10:55.100 Yemen, start a potential war with

01:10:57.520 Iran that if President Trump

01:10:58.740 hadn't ended it, could have

01:10:59.460 gotten to a...

01:11:00.380 Could have spiraled.

01:11:02.160 And so it's very dangerous that

01:11:04.260 we're letting Israel take the

01:11:05.960 front seat of our U.S.

01:11:07.620 foreign policy when we have the

01:11:09.300 power to end these wars

01:11:10.540 immediately.

01:11:10.880 Well, we're paying for them.

01:11:11.980 We're paying for them.

01:11:12.980 And we paid for the, you know,

01:11:15.040 the Israeli strikes on Iran.

01:11:18.020 And I've said this to, you know,

01:11:22.060 anyone who will listen, I think

01:11:23.000 this will end the Republican

01:11:24.000 Party.

01:11:24.500 I don't think they're going to get

01:11:25.160 elected to anything anytime soon

01:11:27.600 after this if they don't pull

01:11:29.060 back and establish independence

01:11:31.500 from this, Israel, any other

01:11:33.240 foreign power.

01:11:33.940 It's not about Israel.

01:11:34.780 It's about any letting any other

01:11:36.420 foreign country run your country.

01:11:38.380 That's you can't have that.

01:11:39.980 Everyone hates it.

01:11:40.880 It's super unpopular and it's

01:11:42.360 very obvious.

01:11:43.580 And if you want more Republicans

01:11:46.320 in office, you can't act like

01:11:47.760 this.

01:11:48.100 Like, I think they're blowing up

01:11:49.100 the party over this.

01:11:50.000 That's my feeling.

01:11:50.940 I'm saying this with love.

01:11:51.940 I'm unlike you.

01:11:52.840 I've been a pretty vote that

01:11:55.500 much.

01:11:55.700 But when I vote, it's Republican,

01:11:56.960 you know.

01:11:58.060 It's true.

01:11:58.600 They voted for America.

01:11:59.340 I wouldn't vote for this.

01:12:00.540 No way.

01:12:01.180 Absolutely.

01:12:01.940 And think about the there's on

01:12:04.920 one end.

01:12:05.380 It's the America first aspect.

01:12:06.520 That's very disappointing

01:12:07.360 because this is America last in

01:12:09.580 every possible way.

01:12:10.920 And on the on the endless war

01:12:12.640 front, every campaign, every

01:12:14.340 winning presidential candidate

01:12:16.480 said we're not going to get

01:12:18.140 we're trying to avoid these wars

01:12:19.680 and they don't follow through.

01:12:21.120 And yet we're not funding this

01:12:22.880 this this disaster in Gaza.

01:12:26.400 But do you think that those

01:12:28.560 so there I mean, estimates

01:12:30.180 fair, we don't know people have

01:12:31.100 been killed in Gaza.

01:12:32.780 No one's allowed to find out.

01:12:34.360 Yeah.

01:12:35.180 60K is definitely.

01:12:36.840 What do you think the real

01:12:37.720 number is in Gaza?

01:12:41.180 I've read other folks who

01:12:43.920 like give their estimates and

01:12:45.180 it's always 100,000 up to 200,000

01:12:48.560 even more.

01:12:49.500 So the numbers that I've seen on

01:12:50.980 the estimate scale of

01:12:52.620 are horrific.

01:12:54.780 Do our intel agencies have

01:12:56.420 good estimates on this?

01:12:58.460 I would imagine.

01:12:59.560 But those haven't percolated

01:13:00.760 down to the State Department

01:13:01.980 at your level anyway.

01:13:03.040 Yeah.

01:13:03.540 No, absolutely not.

01:13:04.900 And I wish we could be

01:13:06.920 discussing this.

01:13:07.900 And I'm also horrified not just

01:13:09.860 from the sheer numbers of killed.

01:13:12.100 It's the lingering psychological

01:13:13.540 effect of these of these poor

01:13:14.860 civilians like children

01:13:16.800 who've lost limbs, children

01:13:18.440 who lost parents, who the

01:13:20.400 damage is going to be decades

01:13:22.140 and decades long.

01:13:22.840 For sure.

01:13:24.480 And there will be radicalism,

01:13:26.820 you know, and probably

01:13:27.820 including violence.

01:13:28.880 And I just pray it's not

01:13:30.200 directed against the United

01:13:31.120 States, but I fear that it

01:13:32.340 will be.

01:13:35.600 But that leaves what two

01:13:37.160 million people still in Gaza,

01:13:38.940 Palestinians, mostly Muslim,

01:13:40.860 but also Christians.

01:13:42.220 What happens to them?

01:13:43.460 I just keep wondering what

01:13:44.600 happens to them.

01:13:45.420 Um, there, the policy, the

01:13:47.960 comments, the policies have

01:13:50.360 always shown a certain

01:13:51.580 disdain.

01:13:52.400 Like, oh, we'll pay them off

01:13:53.940 for them to move out.

01:13:54.960 We, um, they're not actually

01:13:57.520 starving.

01:13:58.240 It's all these, they're not

01:14:00.040 only are they getting bombed and,

01:14:01.460 and, uh, and lose their homes

01:14:03.340 and their family members, they're

01:14:04.540 being like thrown around like

01:14:05.920 this, this annoyance.

01:14:07.240 Um, and it's, it's horrible.

01:14:10.540 But just based on the

01:14:11.400 reporting, it looks like we are

01:14:12.560 trying to push them out to a

01:14:13.840 different country.

01:14:14.800 Um, every two months, there's a

01:14:16.200 new rumor.

01:14:16.760 It seems like we're talking to

01:14:17.640 these other countries, um, in

01:14:19.460 Africa.

01:14:19.960 We, the U.S.

01:14:20.720 government is?

01:14:22.080 Well, the, the, depends on each

01:14:24.540 specific, uh, case.

01:14:26.300 There has been reporting that

01:14:27.440 Israel's trying to do this on

01:14:28.680 their own.

01:14:29.700 And if we're involved, and

01:14:31.220 there's also been, uh, uh, some

01:14:33.020 reporting on whether our own, uh,

01:14:35.500 government officials have spoken

01:14:36.760 with like the Libyan government

01:14:38.100 as well.

01:14:38.680 So do you think it's possible

01:14:39.840 that U.S.

01:14:40.560 government officials have talked

01:14:42.280 to foreign governments about

01:14:44.180 accepting the population of Gaza

01:14:46.440 as refugees?

01:14:48.000 Do you think that's possible?

01:14:49.140 Yes.

01:14:49.860 Do you think it's, that happened?

01:14:51.400 I, I, it's probable.

01:14:55.120 That's disgusting.

01:14:57.540 I mean, that's just like shocking

01:14:59.080 to me.

01:14:59.420 I don't want to believe that could

01:15:00.420 be true.

01:15:01.180 Yeah.

01:15:01.480 And why are we doing that?

01:15:02.700 What do we have to do with

01:15:03.560 this?

01:15:04.000 Right.

01:15:04.180 And it's always about our

01:15:05.500 diplomatic power.

01:15:06.440 Like, Israel's diplomatic power

01:15:09.280 is limited, but who can get

01:15:11.000 these objectives done?

01:15:12.880 We can.

01:15:13.880 So that's why.

01:15:15.200 In our last act as a superpower.

01:15:17.560 Yeah.

01:15:18.140 That's why these officials from

01:15:20.000 MC Jerusalem are, are, are

01:15:21.200 dangerous because they're,

01:15:21.980 they're, that connection's

01:15:23.240 being made.

01:15:24.720 Right.

01:15:25.400 On, on.

01:15:26.080 Like you committed, well,

01:15:27.340 first of all, Mike Huckabee

01:15:28.260 endorsing Dresden.

01:15:30.480 You know, I just refer you to

01:15:31.800 the New Testament.

01:15:32.440 That is not, that is not

01:15:34.820 permitted for Christians to be

01:15:36.220 in favor of that.

01:15:36.980 Just, it's just not even

01:15:38.000 close.

01:15:38.500 So I don't know why, I know

01:15:40.340 Huckabee, I've always liked him.

01:15:41.620 I don't know what in the world,

01:15:43.100 if he actually said that, I

01:15:43.960 don't know what he was

01:15:44.540 thinking.

01:15:44.900 I'm going to look it up the

01:15:45.560 second we get off this

01:15:46.420 interview.

01:15:47.380 But that's really shocking to

01:15:49.020 me that he would say

01:15:49.920 something like that.

01:15:51.340 But in general, there's been a

01:15:52.300 coarsening, I think, of people

01:15:53.600 watching this stuff, celebrating

01:15:55.880 pager attacks and people getting

01:15:57.880 their dicks blown off.

01:15:59.580 Stuff.

01:15:59.780 I mean, like, why would we

01:16:00.760 celebrate that?

01:16:02.280 But Ben Shapiro was on there

01:16:03.720 jumping up and down with glee

01:16:04.900 when that happened.

01:16:06.480 So it's, it's, it's a, an

01:16:08.320 indictment of like our, our

01:16:11.680 soul.

01:16:12.800 Why are, why did we lose this

01:16:14.680 ability to empathize with

01:16:15.620 other people?

01:16:15.660 If you think it's thrilling

01:16:16.760 that a country would

01:16:17.780 indiscriminately detonate

01:16:19.300 explosives in people's pockets

01:16:20.720 where they don't know who's

01:16:21.380 holding those things,

01:16:22.200 actually, they don't know

01:16:23.140 who's standing next to them.

01:16:24.880 If you think that's great,

01:16:27.440 you know, um.

01:16:28.640 Children died.

01:16:29.780 Oh, I know.

01:16:31.360 Uh, you know, anyway, I, I've,

01:16:34.980 I'm really sickened by it and

01:16:37.000 I'm infuriated by the

01:16:38.460 requirement to celebrate it.

01:16:39.960 Right.

01:16:40.660 Why are we in this, in this

01:16:42.100 era of, of like celebrating

01:16:46.160 these violent attacks and

01:16:48.200 celebrating a new weapon that

01:16:49.340 comes out, but each time there's

01:16:50.600 a diplomatic endeavor to end a

01:16:52.280 war, it's so controversial and

01:16:54.220 so heavy and people, um, it's

01:16:56.900 sold to people in such a

01:16:57.760 negative way.

01:16:58.500 So that, that dichotomy is, is,

01:17:00.580 is a true problem where.

01:17:01.900 As empires die, people go

01:17:02.960 crazy.

01:17:03.780 This is one of the things that's

01:17:04.980 pretty consistent through

01:17:05.800 history.

01:17:06.700 They lose their sense of

01:17:08.000 reality and they become

01:17:09.140 violent, violence

01:17:10.100 worshipers.

01:17:11.340 And I just hate to see it

01:17:12.640 happening to this country that

01:17:13.700 I love so much and that I'm

01:17:14.940 never leaving, but like, this

01:17:16.380 is really dark.

01:17:17.460 Yeah.

01:17:17.640 It's so dark.

01:17:18.520 It is dark.

01:17:19.300 So what, um, so you don't

01:17:20.780 know bottom line what the plan

01:17:22.600 is for the population of Gaza

01:17:24.600 or the West Bank.

01:17:25.520 Yeah.

01:17:25.740 I do know they cut my line on

01:17:27.060 forced displacement and now

01:17:28.700 there's new reporting on them

01:17:29.700 moving them out of Gaza.

01:17:31.300 So it's not headed into the

01:17:33.600 right direction.

01:17:33.800 So America is for forced

01:17:34.900 displacement.

01:17:35.420 I think this country was

01:17:36.260 founded by people who were

01:17:37.280 so bonkers.

01:17:39.320 Okay.

01:17:39.680 Last question.

01:17:40.420 What was your firing like?

01:17:42.960 Um.

01:17:43.520 Did they explain to you why

01:17:44.580 you were being let go?

01:17:45.460 Never explained anything to

01:17:46.440 me.

01:17:47.040 Um, I, and technically I

01:17:49.360 heard the NEA, my bureau

01:17:50.980 nearest affairs, technically

01:17:52.680 never heard either.

01:17:53.580 So really came from up top.

01:17:56.280 So very odd.

01:17:58.420 Um, I, they did ask me about

01:18:00.120 that line.

01:18:00.660 That's the only hint that we

01:18:01.500 have.

01:18:02.980 Um, look, the state

01:18:05.020 department with all the issues

01:18:06.320 that it has, has, does have

01:18:08.120 amazing patriotic, patriotic

01:18:11.480 Americans working there every

01:18:13.740 day.

01:18:14.160 I worked with them.

01:18:15.200 Um, they're, they're trying

01:18:16.700 their best.

01:18:17.220 They're, they're doing their

01:18:18.500 work.

01:18:19.080 They're smart.

01:18:20.440 And I, I, I miss working

01:18:22.160 with them.

01:18:22.980 I do, uh, uh, I was someone

01:18:25.820 that was well, well

01:18:26.380 established in the building

01:18:27.140 with political appointees and

01:18:28.020 civil servants.

01:18:28.580 And, and it, they just pulled the

01:18:30.600 rug out of, from under me, out

01:18:32.220 of the blue over what I

01:18:34.300 explained to you earlier, which

01:18:35.060 was pretty basic stuff.

01:18:37.280 And, uh, on the Sunday, I

01:18:40.320 believe it was August 17th,

01:18:41.740 lost access.

01:18:43.860 And then I got a text, um, from

01:18:45.740 my contractor letting me know.

01:18:47.600 Did you call, have you called

01:18:48.720 David Milstein to ask what

01:18:50.100 happened?

01:18:51.100 I have not.

01:18:52.100 I have not.

01:18:53.380 Um, maybe we should call him

01:18:55.060 after this.

01:18:56.760 Good.

01:18:57.840 We could.

01:18:58.540 Look, this whole situation was so

01:19:02.460 unexpected.

01:19:02.920 Like I was just living my life,

01:19:04.820 uh, going to work every single

01:19:06.800 day, five days a week.

01:19:08.520 I was doing a lot of overtime.

01:19:10.680 Uh, I drafted tweets that

01:19:12.880 Secretary Rubio put out,

01:19:14.760 including I was up at 11 PM, 12

01:19:17.340 AM, uh, when the horrific killing

01:19:19.320 of those two Israeli diplomats,

01:19:20.720 I was the one who was up in

01:19:22.880 the middle of the night,

01:19:23.640 drafting a tweet for that to

01:19:24.480 come out.

01:19:25.020 The ones who are murdered in

01:19:25.740 the U S.

01:19:26.300 Correct.

01:19:26.760 Yeah.

01:19:27.180 Awful.

01:19:27.540 So I was there for all these,

01:19:29.980 these moments and working

01:19:31.460 alongside people with different

01:19:33.180 political backgrounds and, uh,

01:19:36.300 to know that these, these folks

01:19:38.620 just without discussing with me,

01:19:40.920 without getting to know me,

01:19:41.800 without talking to me, uh,

01:19:43.720 saw those lines and they were

01:19:44.820 like gone.

01:19:46.100 Um, and, uh, it's, it's,

01:19:49.220 it's awful.

01:19:49.740 And, and just in the,

01:19:50.860 in the office itself, it just

01:19:51.780 puts this chilling effect for

01:19:52.760 everybody, you know?

01:19:54.380 So I, I will, I will miss those

01:19:55.980 colleagues, but they're good

01:19:57.120 people and they're going to.

01:19:58.140 I mean, the interest of the

01:19:58.920 United States should be the

01:19:59.760 beginning and the end of the

01:20:00.580 concern of the state

01:20:01.220 department.

01:20:01.860 Yep.

01:20:02.120 Period.

01:20:02.740 Absolutely.

01:20:03.340 So I appreciate your taking the

01:20:04.960 time to do this.

01:20:05.800 Thank you for talking to me.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - September 05, 2025

Whistleblower Exposes the Real Puppet Masters Controlling the State Department and Plans for Gaza

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