The Tucker Carlson Show - Whistleblower Tony Aguilar Responds to Attacks After Exposing Israel’s War Crimes in Gaza

00:00:00.000 Colonel, thanks for coming back. I wanted to speak to you at greater length, given that after our interview last week, a barrage of attacks against you, some of them sounded kind of serious, came out, and I wanted to give you an opportunity to respond, but also to clarify some of the points that your former employer is making about you.

00:00:19.480 Johnny Moore, who runs the organization, the Gaza Humanitarian Federation, was on television this weekend calling you a liar, suggesting that anyone who criticizes his group is pro-Hamas, et cetera, et cetera.

00:00:32.360 So I'm just going to go through some of the claims against you because you're making some significant statements that will, I think, color people's understanding of what's happening in Gaza, and so I think it's important to do this.

00:00:49.480 So first, I just want to get to your separation from the Army was in January, you left the Army in March, if I'm remembering correctly.

00:01:16.660 What did you do right after you left the U.S. Army after 25 years?

00:01:21.500 So right after my departure from the Army, I had no interests in politics or a second career.

00:01:27.480 My interest was being a stay-at-home dad. I applied at Lowe's, and I was doing part-time Lowe's lawn and garden. Really enjoyed it.

00:01:37.180 What does that mean, Lowe's lawn and garden?

00:01:39.220 So working at the Lowe's hardware store in the lawn and garden section, you know, giving recommendations on weed eaters, what plants to buy.

00:01:49.040 Really?

00:01:49.880 Yeah, I found it very therapeutic.

00:01:52.460 By the way, I love that. I'm not criticizing.

00:01:54.060 I was not looking for a life of stress.

00:01:58.400 I was not looking for a life of attention.

00:02:00.860 I have no social media whatsoever.

00:02:05.080 I don't even have LinkedIn for employment purposes.

00:02:09.360 My family and I enjoy a private life because we enjoy our lives together.

00:02:16.960 I'm not really seeking anyone's approval.

00:02:19.080 I'm not seeking clicks or follows or Instagram likes.

00:02:22.880 So, yeah, when I first got out of the Army, I was keeping things pretty low-key, spending a lot of time with the family.

00:02:31.340 My wife and I are both – my wife and I are co-den leaders together in my son's Cub Scout den.

00:02:38.700 So we co-den lead for my son's Boy Scout den, which is phenomenal.

00:02:47.380 We love it.

00:02:47.820 And just all the things we're involved in and after my years in service and the places I've been and the family moments that I've missed in life,

00:03:00.520 I felt that the rest of my life should be committed to being a good father, raising a good family because I think that's what – that's the next phase in life for me is contributing to the next generation.

00:03:12.960 And for me, that's my son and the youth.

00:03:15.820 So it's pretty much what I was doing.

00:03:18.660 I was not seeking excitement.

00:03:21.220 So you get out after graduating West Point, 25 years in the U.S. Army, Green Beret, Lieutenant Colonel is your rank when you get out, if I'm remembering.

00:03:30.000 I was, yeah.

00:03:30.460 I was a senior ranking Lieutenant Colonel.

00:03:32.380 Yep.

00:03:33.240 And then you wind up working at Lowe's Home and Garden Center.

00:03:37.000 Mm-hmm.

00:03:38.520 And defleeting your son's Boy Scout troop.

00:03:41.280 It's pretty great.

00:03:43.040 But that's not the picture of an activist.

00:03:45.820 I would say it's the opposite.

00:03:46.940 So how did you wind up going to Gaza?

00:03:48.840 You gave an abbreviated version of the story, but if you could just walk us through exactly how that happened.

00:03:54.700 Sure.

00:03:54.980 And, you know, what I would like to remind people and especially remind Mr. Johnny Moore is that, you know, I did not work for GHF.

00:04:01.640 It's very hard to actually find any information about GHF.

00:04:06.360 I work specifically for UG Solutions as a subcontractor for the security component of the greater Gaza Humanitarian Foundation mechanism.

00:04:17.640 Okay, so GHF is a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

00:04:22.220 That's the group about which it's very hard to find any real information.

00:04:27.060 It's very difficult.

00:04:28.020 That is distributing aid in the Gaza Strip.

00:04:32.220 UG Solutions is the security contractor providing security for them as they do that.

00:04:36.840 Is that correct?

00:04:37.280 So the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, by their own accord, they claim to be a non-profit.

00:04:46.620 Okay.

00:04:48.580 GHF is not really a thing in function.

00:04:52.860 They have, again, there's so much that's unknown.

00:04:57.420 It's a very shadowy, shady type of organization.

00:05:00.480 Um, underneath GHF is a company called Safe Reach Solutions.

00:05:07.420 They're another private security contracting firm.

00:05:10.400 They're what's called a prime contract.

00:05:12.520 They hold, they're the, they're the, they're for-profit.

00:05:15.980 Absolutely for-profit, money-making business that has, that's basically the, the, the, the contract.

00:05:23.320 Underneath them, they have subcontracts, almost like building a home.

00:05:26.160 Okay.

00:05:26.680 You got the guy that's building the home.

00:05:27.820 You got all your subcontractors, right?

00:05:29.420 Yeah, of course.

00:05:29.720 So, UG Solutions is a subcontract to the building of this, of this home.

00:05:35.300 Okay.

00:05:35.600 Specifically, providing the armed security component.

00:05:39.920 And no one else under the Safe Reach Solutions framework is authorized to be armed.

00:05:47.980 So, anytime you hear anything about who may have been shooting, it, it was either within Gaza, it's either the Israeli Defense Force,

00:05:58.420 or UG Solutions or UG Solutions.

00:06:00.660 UG Solutions.

00:06:01.180 Now, what is UG Solutions and who owns it and where's it based?

00:06:05.380 So, I got a phone call May 13th.

00:06:08.700 They called me and they were asking, you know, we're, we're specifically looking for recently retired or out of service soft veterans to, to join us on this mission to Gaza to do the distribution of humanitarian aid.

00:06:21.900 And I thought that perhaps this company was humanitarian aid focused.

00:06:27.760 I could find very little on the company, but I did see that they were based in North Carolina.

00:06:33.260 Um, I saw that the, the founder of the company, um, they, his, his claim to fame was that the, you know, he was a, he was a green beret at one point.

00:06:43.680 He served as a green beret in the United States Army.

00:06:45.660 And once he got out, he, he went into some entrepreneurship with a, um, post recovery alcohol hangover drink.

00:06:56.660 Um, I don't know what it was called, um, but it, it kind of gave me pause to think that where's the expertise, where's the experience, where's the, and I thought, okay, maybe, you know, maybe he's just a guy.

00:07:09.320 You ran an energy drink company?

00:07:10.340 Uh, energy drink slash, um, it's, it was advertised as the ultimate hangover beverage for the, for the soft operator that, you know, has a few many drinks the night before can, can get ready for the mission the next day.

00:07:28.640 That was kind of his, his claim to fame is that he, even in, in his, uh, in his, in his biography on the, the website for this company, he calls himself self-titled.

00:07:38.040 I'm not calling him this, this is not me saying it.

00:07:40.260 He calls himself a derelict.

00:07:42.660 So, um, it just kind of gave me pause that, that this is, and I thought, okay, maybe he's just the, you know, the owner, you know, sometimes the owners don't necessarily, um, contribute to the mission.

00:07:55.140 But it did give me pause, um, to think, you know, how, how did all of this come together?

00:08:00.720 How did all this, how did all this come together so quickly in the hiring?

00:08:04.940 And, you know, so they, they called me and the question that I've had many a time, um, that I often ask myself is, why did you, why did you do it then?

00:08:14.420 Yeah, that was my next question.

00:08:15.640 Yeah.

00:08:16.160 Why, um, and I remember I, I sat before, when they called me, I said, my answer is not yes.

00:08:21.560 My answer is not no.

00:08:22.420 No, I'd like to discuss it with my wife and, you know, just consider the timing and, um, let me, let me get back with you.

00:08:29.840 And when I talked to my wife, I told her, I said, hey, going into this full eyes wide open, this is going to be rough.

00:08:38.780 It's probably going to be dangerous because the amount of, um, just the, what I see is like the lack of experience in planning to this magnitude.

00:08:47.040 This is a seriously complex and seriously complicated mission that requires, you know, people that have deep experience in this.

00:08:55.980 This is, again, as I've said, this is not a weekend job.

00:08:58.260 This is not a, you know, let's just go try this out.

00:09:00.960 This requires depth of expertise, which was not present.

00:09:04.100 Um, so I talked to my wife about it and my wife said, well, you know, you do, you have done a lot of that.

00:09:09.660 So you can contribute, you can, you can help, you can be of value.

00:09:13.940 What I really believed in was that if the United States was going to go into Gaza, proclaiming that our method is going to replace the UN, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to do this now.

00:09:30.560 That I wanted to be a part of what I thought at the time was truly an American ideal, an America, you know, an idea of American exceptionalism that America will go in, into the breach, into danger and will help.

00:09:46.400 So that's, that's, that's what I really felt like.

00:09:49.260 I really felt like that America was putting a good foot forward in this to say, like, Hey, we, we respect our ally.

00:09:57.480 We don't want to necessarily get involved or criticize the prosecution of the war, but we also realize and recognize a real need to end the starvation.

00:10:08.200 Um, so I, I really felt that being a part of it was something, um, that was in line with American values.

00:10:17.480 I really wanted to be a part of it.

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00:11:33.260 So, Gazi Humanitarian Foundation, I'm going to go through some of the claims they're making that you were fired.

00:11:43.320 Were you fired?

00:11:44.800 I was not fired.

00:11:45.740 Not only was I not fired, and I've brought some points to discuss to kind of lay out the pathway to my eventual termination in terms of me.

00:11:58.060 You know, they call contract termination that I terminated my contract in writing.

00:12:05.280 So, in terms of contract termination, yes, my contract was terminated.

00:12:10.940 I terminated it in writing.

00:12:12.880 You quit?

00:12:13.740 Essentially, yes, you could say that.

00:12:15.140 I quit in protest, much like those before me.

00:12:18.540 Much like Jake Wood, former director of Gaza Humanitarian Vibration, who stepped down in protest.

00:12:23.080 The second in charge of the entire contract for UG Solutions, who on the 27th of May with a very scathing email to the leadership, to the CEO, stepped down in protest.

00:12:35.200 The, one of the operations directors in the higher level company of Safe Reach Solutions, stepped down in protest.

00:12:43.900 I was not the first, and I was not the last.

00:12:48.180 When I did, I quit in a way to where I wanted to stay involved in the mission.

00:12:55.300 So, I had coordinated to work with Safe Reach Solutions, again, the prime contract, to specifically be working on the humanitarian assistance team, because that would put me in a position to where I could then influence how operations on the sites ran.

00:13:11.680 I would, as the humanitarian assistance team person that had leadership to take charge and to plan accordingly, I could be in charge of how rules of engagement, standard operating procedures, distribution process, organization and planning.

00:13:27.980 And I felt that it was better for me to stay and be involved than to walk away and just leave no one at the wheel.

00:13:38.320 So, I did terminate my contract in writing on the 13th of June and provided it to the leadership in writing.

00:13:46.020 And so, just to be absolutely clear, you were not fired.

00:13:49.240 I was not fired.

00:13:50.180 And you, I suppose, have the email resigning.

00:13:53.940 Not only do I have the email, you know, I have the email chain.

00:13:56.620 I have the, you know, the actual letter itself that I wrote to them.

00:14:01.580 And, you know, you can read it yourself, but this was provided in writing.

00:14:05.640 And what I would continue to ask of UG Solutions and Gaza Humanitarian Foundation with Johnny Moore, who, you know, if he wants to say that I am a liar, I think that that's fair. 0.97

00:14:21.800 He has said that you're a liar. 0.64

00:14:22.920 He has said that I'm a liar. 0.96

00:14:23.820 And that's unfortunate because he doesn't know me.

00:14:27.800 I have opinions about him, but I don't know him either.

00:14:31.120 But to say that I'm a liar, I served our country for 25 years in uniform.

00:14:36.560 And what I would say is that America made me.

00:14:43.240 Graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point.

00:14:45.700 I served in the Army for 25 years.

00:14:47.860 Answered the call, not just once, twice, three, four times, but 12 to fight and battle for the ideals of this nation.

00:14:54.360 So for him to call me a liar, I think that all veterans and all Americans should take pause and think about who's calling me a liar.

00:15:04.060 Someone that has spent his entire life self-serving with PR firms and selling Bibles and whatever else it is he does on the side, you know.

00:15:13.880 Who is Johnny Moore?

00:15:15.160 Do you know?

00:15:15.740 Have you met him?

00:15:16.520 I have not met him.

00:15:17.840 I didn't shake his hand and talk to him.

00:15:20.680 I saw him when he came to visit very, very briefly.

00:15:23.900 So what I would call a photo op.

00:15:27.180 So he does not work in Gaza?

00:15:29.520 Oh, absolutely not.

00:15:30.540 He's only, I mean, I think he's only.

00:15:32.680 So what's interesting is that this entire time that this operation has been going on now for, you know, operating since the 26th of May till now.

00:15:41.140 So breaking 70 days.

00:15:44.720 He's only been there one time for a photo op.

00:15:47.520 I find it appalling.

00:15:48.680 Wait, he doesn't work out of Gaza?

00:15:51.260 Absolutely not.

00:15:52.360 I should say we put in three interview requests for Johnny Moore.

00:15:55.820 He's not even in Israel.

00:15:58.500 Oh.

00:15:59.260 So how is he running the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation?

00:16:02.960 From his flat in Virginia, I guess.

00:16:08.180 I don't know.

00:16:08.600 I don't know where he lives.

00:16:09.680 But I know that he's, he is, he is not in Israel.

00:16:13.880 He is not in Gaza.

00:16:16.700 He does, he doesn't have an act.

00:16:19.100 So it's what it feels like to me is that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is a side project resume item for Mr. Johnny Moore.

00:16:31.820 It's not something that he's dedicated to, and it's not something that he has the expertise and the acumen to understand how to run.

00:16:41.760 Does he have any background in distributing humanitarian relief that you know of?

00:16:46.760 No.

00:16:47.080 And what's important to understand is that going with a missionary organization to somewhere and distributing some meals or providing, you know, religious support, that isn't humanitarian assistance.

00:17:03.140 Humanitarian assistance is an operation.

00:17:05.480 It's a very complex operation.

00:17:06.920 A million people from starving to death is different from.

00:17:09.200 It's not just food.

00:17:10.720 It's water, medical, veterinarian services to make sure that we're not, we don't have a rabid animal population.

00:17:17.140 Right.

00:17:17.240 It's, it's so many things that the, that experts within the United Nations that, that are educated, that, that spend their lives to become experts in are very, very, very good at doing.

00:17:29.220 So to think that we can just take that on and do it is, it's very, it's a very arrogant way of looking at this problem.

00:17:39.920 So Johnny Moore has no background in this.

00:17:42.340 He's not there.

00:17:44.380 I just saw him interviewed on Fox News and he suggested you and everyone else who's criticized the operations of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation are pro-Hamas.

00:17:52.820 Are you pro-Hamas?

00:17:54.420 I am not pro-Hamas. 0.96

00:17:55.440 That's, um, that's a pretty heavy charge.

00:17:59.520 I mean, Hamas is a designated terror organization.

00:18:02.400 Yes.

00:18:02.780 I mean, that is, um, that is a heavy charge to lay on somebody from such a, from, from, from an individual that carries such little weight.

00:18:11.260 Yeah.

00:18:11.560 Um, so.

00:18:12.260 Okay.

00:18:12.520 Yeah.

00:18:13.800 Doesn't sound like the Christian response to criticism to me, but what do I know?

00:18:17.400 Well, I would say on his appearance on Fox, you know, in just the short time I've been doing this with no PR firm and no, no polished background.

00:18:25.880 I was a soldier.

00:18:26.900 And after I was a soldier, I worked a blue collar job and I, I call myself a husband and a father.

00:18:33.300 I don't call myself, uh, by any other name.

00:18:35.600 And, um, since this story has broke from Hollywood to Bollywood, polar bears to penguins, people want this story because it's the truth.

00:18:45.800 Not because of me, because the world wants to hear the truth for once.

00:18:50.360 It's interesting though.

00:18:51.300 I mean, the, the forces against you organized immediately.

00:18:54.920 And I mean, they had a press conference attacking you.

00:18:57.700 They did.

00:18:57.860 And during that press conference, which I watched, they didn't respond to a single, not one of the allegations you made about their conduct in Gaza.

00:19:04.540 Not one.

00:19:05.500 Instead, it was a litany of attacks on you.

00:19:07.300 So I just want to continue to go through some of them.

00:19:09.060 Absolutely.

00:19:09.400 To get your response.

00:19:10.220 So the most damaging in, from my perspective, by far was the fact, and they showed the signal messages that you had written complimentary texts to the management of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation at the time you now say you were dissatisfied with their conduct.

00:19:26.880 Did you write those texts?

00:19:28.140 And if so, why?

00:19:28.880 So those text messages that they had captured out of signal Snapchats were something called impact statements.

00:19:36.340 Those from, from me, those weren't to the leadership of GHF, nor were they to the leadership of SafeReach Solutions.

00:19:45.120 Those were specifically to the, the Americans on contract under UG Solutions specifically.

00:19:52.840 That, that is who I worked for and who I worked for only.

00:19:55.180 The chief operations officer of UG Solutions, who was Ford at the time, directed me in writing.

00:20:05.780 I mean, directed me in writing to, to daily create these impact statements to include a photo and something positive.

00:20:17.720 At that point, the, the contractors were really run down.

00:20:21.120 We were running 24 to, to, to, to 48 hours.

00:20:24.820 There was very little organization.

00:20:27.440 And, and, and it was keen that everyone was becoming quickly unmotivated.

00:20:34.360 So I was asked, so I, I, I did send out a picture once from, from one of the days we were there that was a, that was a nice photo of a boy who was happy.

00:20:44.240 And I think it's, as a leader, which I am, though I was not in a direct leader position there in the beginning, I was promoted to one, but leaders don't gripe down.

00:20:56.860 Leaders gripe up.

00:20:58.300 As a leader, did I make my issues and my complaints and my dissatisfaction absolutely known to the leadership directly in writing and in verbal?

00:21:08.600 Absolutely.

00:21:10.220 But the contractors that are there, that are, that are doing everything they can to the best of their ability with a complete lack of information.

00:21:19.220 And I will also say that the Gaza humanitarian foundation has set them up for failure with no legal protection.

00:21:25.860 So my position in that was that I want to contribute to the mission and the men and my gripes and my issues are with the leadership.

00:21:36.400 I was directed to do that.

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00:22:55.060 You're saying that the texts that they waved around at the press conference and that Johnny Moore—

00:23:01.880 Those are signal chats.

00:23:02.980 Signal chats.

00:23:03.720 Yes, sir.

00:23:04.660 Those were messages of encouragement to your men, not to the leadership of either organization.

00:23:12.360 I did not have any authorization, nor did I have the capacity to send anything up and out.

00:23:16.940 I had no contact information other than our signal chat groups for UG Solutions.

00:23:22.020 I had no communication with anyone above that.

00:23:24.600 There was—my communiques went to the men.

00:23:29.080 Now, they did go up to GHF from the COO of UG Solutions.

00:23:35.380 He would send them up, but they did not come from me.

00:23:37.600 Okay, so you were not—so your position is you were not complementing the conduct of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

00:23:43.980 You were saying to the guys providing security for this benighted operation that, you know, they're doing their best.

00:23:51.920 Keep going, guys.

00:23:52.560 And for the most part, the 277 up to 314 men on contract—and I say men because they all are men.

00:24:01.420 There were no females on the contract, no women on the contract, but—so I use that term specifically.

00:24:06.260 But the men on the contract, majority are veterans, combat veterans.

00:24:11.440 Yep.

00:24:11.700 And they felt that they were doing the right thing.

00:24:13.600 The lack of leadership and guidance is what has led to where we are now.

00:24:18.580 In fact, not just a lack of guidance, but the guidance of do what the IDF do.

00:24:26.180 So not the lack of guidance, but the giving of just completely unethical and immoral guidance.

00:24:34.460 That's not how the United States—we don't follow other people's lead.

00:24:39.720 We set the standard.

00:24:41.380 So that raises the question that I'm going to ask you in just a moment, which is, like, who's working for whom here and where's the money come from?

00:24:46.960 But first, let me get to one last criticism of you, which was that you weren't even in the field very often.

00:24:53.900 That's what they're claiming.

00:24:55.200 Yeah, and, you know, that's both disappointing and surprising because every photo that they put in that PowerPoint to show different things are pictures that I took on location.

00:25:12.100 I was on a distribution site in Gaza every day, 24th of May, mid-SDS-1, and I brought these for you so you can look at them there.

00:25:25.700 Yep.

00:25:25.900 Every single day is a photo of me or a photo taken by me that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation then used in their public releases.

00:25:37.980 You took all these pictures?

00:25:41.060 All of the photos that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation released publicly until the 13th of June were taken by me.

00:25:50.080 Okay.

00:25:50.660 Well, I guess that pretty much proves your point, doesn't it?

00:25:52.960 I was not only there.

00:25:55.960 I was there when others were not.

00:25:57.820 But case in point, we had, and you may have found this story amusing, we had 30 Palestinian volunteers, local workers, so Palestinians that worked with us on the sites.

00:26:14.520 In a lot of the photos, they're the ones that you see with the blue vests, and they were there to work with us to help with communication, to help, you know, they're from the local population, to help with the crowd as much as they could.

00:26:28.720 And they were brought on to the location, but GHF and SRS hadn't budgeted the money to feed them.

00:26:42.280 So for a foundation that's supposed to be feeding people, thus far they've proven that they can't even feed their own employees.

00:26:49.500 So, myself and one of the humanitarian team workers who works for SRS, there was no, there was nothing else we could do because it was Shabbat and everything was closed in Israel.

00:27:01.500 The only thing open was Domino's Pizza.

00:27:04.500 So we ordered 32 Domino's Pizzas.

00:27:07.120 From where?

00:27:08.200 There's a Domino's in Gaza?

00:27:10.080 In Israel.

00:27:11.080 Oh.

00:27:12.180 In the Israeli side.

00:27:14.160 And we went to go pick them up, and then with an armored vehicle, with armored personnel,

00:27:19.500 myself and two others, armed, we delivered Domino's Pizza to security distribution site one so that the local Gazan workers or the local Palestinian workers could eat that night.

00:27:31.320 Because GHF and SRS had no plan in place to feed our local Palestinian workforce.

00:27:39.440 We delivered them pizza.

00:27:41.300 I would also like to add that we did it in less than 30 minutes.

00:27:44.300 I hope they tipped you.

00:27:45.720 So, it sounds, so I think you've, to my satisfaction, you've batted down the three main claims they made against you, but those are not the only claims.

00:27:54.660 I don't know if Gaza Humanitarian Foundation or Johnny Moore are saying this directly, but your family's been attacked.

00:28:00.280 Yes.

00:28:01.040 Extensively.

00:28:01.700 Yes.

00:28:02.300 Since you told your story.

00:28:04.360 Um, where's that coming from and what's your reaction to it?

00:28:09.460 Um, I think that there's a lot of, so, um, a lot of, um, attacks and, or, or hate against my, um, my, my service record.

00:28:21.440 That.

00:28:22.140 Were you honorably discharged?

00:28:24.340 Not only was I honorably discharged.

00:28:27.300 I was, I was honorably discharged under what's called a, a 100% combat-related special compensation, which is rare.

00:28:37.100 So, in the military, when you retire, there's the VA process, separate process.

00:28:42.500 Everybody can apply to that.

00:28:43.360 Through the military, through DOD, there's the combat-related special compensation process to where if what you've endured is directly as a result of combat, you can have a further special compensation to where not only am I a 100% totally and permanently disabled U.S. Army veteran honorably discharged with, with honors.

00:29:06.560 Um, the Army has also credentialed me with 100% combat-related special compensation, meaning that my, my injuries and wounds, um, afford me to where none of my income is taxed because of the sacrifice I made for this country.

00:29:24.360 And, and you were, you know, commended and awarded a medal for bravery at least once.

00:29:30.620 So, what, what are the, what's the criticism exactly of your service record?

00:29:34.940 So, what I think is, um, well, so, individuals have, who, who think that they know me, who don't.

00:29:42.100 Again, all of these people that have attacked my family and I, we think it's, um, we find it amusing because they all do it from behind a keyboard, from behind some Twitter handle.

00:29:54.320 No one's come on the record.

00:29:56.080 Here I am, on the record.

00:29:58.020 My name, my reputation, my life.

00:30:01.840 You can find me on the internet.

00:30:03.960 I'm here.

00:30:05.840 But people that choose to attack me do it behind a pseudonym or behind their keyboard.

00:30:12.260 If America thinks that that, that anybody should trust that, um, I don't think, I don't think most Americans do.

00:30:20.960 And the attacks I've had is that, oh, well, of course he's never seen anything that brutal before because he, well, he was SF, he never saw combat.

00:30:30.480 He didn't command a special forces company.

00:30:32.280 And what I would like to say to people out there that think otherwise, not only did I command a special forces company in third special forces group, first battalion.

00:30:40.700 And I was also the battalion's executive officer and deployed that entire battalion to combat.

00:30:45.960 I was then offered a second command to command the United States Army survival, evasion, resistance, and escape school.

00:30:52.260 So, not only did I command a special forces operational combat unit, I also commanded the United States Army's SEER school at Fort Bragg.

00:31:03.940 So, for anybody that wants to say that, well, he commanded here and didn't command that, um, you can, you can FOIA my DD-214 and you can read it.

00:31:14.100 I don't, I'm a little confused though, what exactly did you do wrong?

00:31:17.560 Why?

00:31:18.220 And they attacked your marriage, they attacked your wife.

00:31:21.260 Yeah.

00:31:21.760 Your service record, there's no evidence that any of it's true.

00:31:25.340 I've looked into all of it.

00:31:26.580 It's, they're lies, at least that's my conclusion.

00:31:30.000 But what exactly is your crime?

00:31:32.400 What did you do wrong?

00:31:34.420 So, people would, you know, the, in the United States Army, to make it to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.

00:31:41.900 You know, people talk about Colonel, General Officer.

00:31:45.380 Those are all nominative.

00:31:47.240 Those are like, um, icing on the cake.

00:31:51.220 The, the golden, the, the golden pen, the golden watch, if you will, is O5, Lieutenant Colonel, Command Select, Battalion Command.

00:32:00.840 And I commanded a battalion, an operational battalion that deployed.

00:32:05.240 For people to say that, oh, well, he commanded a, a, this battalion instead of that battalion, from coming from people that have never commanded.

00:32:13.080 These individuals that, that bash me online, never held a command in their entire lives.

00:32:17.840 But why are they bashing you in the first place?

00:32:19.760 I don't understand.

00:32:20.520 So, here's the story you just told.

00:32:23.040 You get out a long lifetime, 25 years, distinguished career, um, highest level.

00:32:30.140 And then you work at Lowe's Home and Garden Center and run a Cub Scout troop.

00:32:36.000 And then you decide you're going to go over and try and pass out food to starving people.

00:32:40.680 And then you decide what they're doing is immoral and you say so.

00:32:44.080 So, I mean, those all seem like the right thing to do.

00:32:48.720 I don't really know where's your crime exactly.

00:32:51.420 Is it, you criticize the behavior of a company that's serving a foreign government and that makes you a criminal?

00:32:56.680 Or like, why are you being attacked?

00:32:58.540 I don't really get it.

00:33:00.120 I think that the, the criticism of something that is very lucrative when it comes to money.

00:33:08.320 So, I would portend, although I have no proof because I have no way of knowing this.

00:33:14.600 I don't even, I don't even know.

00:33:16.180 I haven't even, I haven't even seen the posts myself. 0.99

00:33:18.800 And to be quite honest, they're, they're clowns. 0.95

00:33:21.200 My family members have looked at them and they're all under, I think one guy calls himself Green Beret nap time. 0.97

00:33:26.900 Oh yeah, I'm, I'm really going to lose sleep over what that guy thinks of me.

00:33:30.360 Um, so the, uh, it, part of it is ignorance.

00:33:37.260 It's people who haven't been there think they know because of what they heard from their buddies who also haven't been there.

00:33:45.640 To the men that are there, mark my words, because I have lived it.

00:33:52.600 When they come home and the adrenaline wears off and the $1,380 a day stops and life goes back to normal.

00:34:03.240 And you have to look at your children and you have to look at your wife and you have to look at yourself in the mirror.

00:34:11.220 It's going to come to you.

00:34:13.980 And when that day comes, you're going to want to tell the truth.

00:34:18.520 I've seen it.

00:34:19.320 I was on site with these men where they see things and they're like, what are we doing?

00:34:23.340 That's not right.

00:34:24.460 That shouldn't be.

00:34:25.500 And they, they, it's easy to ignore it when you're in Gaza, where seemingly people don't care, where you can report 30 deaths outside of a distribution site and have Johnny Moore say it didn't happen and get away with it.

00:34:42.860 It's, it's criminal.

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00:35:48.020 Johnny Morris said it didn't happen.

00:35:50.640 Johnny Morris seemed to deflect every instance of, and again, what I find interesting is that the people that are coming out and speaking to the atrocities aren't Hamas.

00:36:02.140 Doctors, surgeons, Americans.

00:36:05.340 Johnny Morris says they're pro-Hamas.

00:36:06.840 Oh yeah, anybody, anybody that, that, that has anything critical to say of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation automatically becomes labeled by Mr. Johnny Moore as Hamas.

00:36:21.300 And that is dangerous.

00:36:23.120 This is not the 1950s where, you know, I'm a patriotic American.

00:36:28.780 Well, didn't you spend like decades fighting radical Islam with a rifle? 0.98

00:36:33.340 Spent decades fighting radical Islam from, from grassroots to long entrenched radical Islam in the moral Islamic liberation front in Southeast Asia.

00:36:43.340 You know, you know, new radical Islam in the Middle East is a different flavor than the old entrenched grassroots radical Islam in Southeast Asia.

00:36:50.900 And I have been a part of both.

00:36:51.900 So, how does it feel to be written off as a Hamas supporter?

00:36:58.080 Me?

00:36:58.580 Yeah.

00:37:00.180 If it came from anybody that I held to be credible, maybe I would care.

00:37:03.640 But, I mean, who, who is Johnny Moore?

00:37:07.980 I mean, I think it's, I think yesterday when he was on Fox, it was, it made my heart warm that you could hear outside of the Fox studio the protesting.

00:37:15.940 In fact, the, the host said, um, we have some people outside exercising their, their constitutional rights and yes, continue the protest, go to his house and protest because he is lying to the American people.

00:37:30.220 And it's really sad.

00:37:32.080 So, if Mr. Johnny Moore wants to call me Hamas or call me a name or say that I don't know what I'm doing or say that, that, that I'm a liar, it matters not to me because the American people know better.

00:37:45.980 Where's, show us your books, Johnny, show us where the money comes from.

00:37:50.820 So, what do you know?

00:37:52.120 I, I know you made it clear that you didn't work for Ghazi Humanitarian Foundation, but you worked providing security for them through a couple of different layers.

00:38:00.660 But, where does their money come from?

00:38:04.300 I don't know.

00:38:05.100 And what's, what's appalling to me is that that exact same question you asked her is the same question that every member of Congress that I spoke to over the last two weeks has asked me.

00:38:14.940 They, I mean, you've made the point with, and you did the math on it, that they are not feeding the population of Gaza, despite what they say.

00:38:23.340 And they can't because they don't have enough distribution centers.

00:38:25.860 They've got three working distribution centers in a country of over two million people.

00:38:29.860 So, that just doesn't make any sense.

00:38:32.240 But, they are bringing in truck, truckloads of food.

00:38:35.920 Who's paying for that? 0.60

00:38:37.160 I mean, there's money here, right?

00:38:39.180 There's money.

00:38:40.460 There's a lot of it.

00:38:41.080 And there's no indication of where it's coming from at all.

00:38:43.620 No, no indication.

00:38:45.060 The only indication anyone has to include, again, not just lonely old peon me, but Congress.

00:38:53.260 Our United States Congress has no idea where the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation's money comes from, other than the 30 million that came to the State Department last month.

00:39:04.000 Who do they work for?

00:39:05.060 Do we know?

00:39:05.860 Don't know.

00:39:07.920 So, I mean, Gaza's controlled by the Israeli military.

00:39:11.020 In fact, the prime minister of Israel just announced 20 minutes ago that the Israeli military is now going to occupy all of Gaza.

00:39:19.600 So, they must work for the IDF.

00:39:22.680 I mean, I can't.

00:39:23.540 Do you think that they do?

00:39:24.300 So, from, in terms of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation at that level, that high level, I can't say.

00:39:33.440 I would think that there's probably a higher entity.

00:39:36.900 Now, SafeReach Solutions, which is the actual contract mechanism, like the actual execution of the contract, does answer to, and the client is, the IDF.

00:39:51.180 And that was told directly to me, looking at me in my face by the operation.

00:39:54.940 So, they're the contractor that provides security or everything else as well?

00:39:59.680 For SRS?

00:40:01.100 Yeah.

00:40:01.380 So, SRS, one of the subcontractors is UG Solutions for Security.

00:40:05.660 One of the subcontractors is another company called Arkell out of Louisiana.

00:40:09.180 It's very hard to find anything about them.

00:40:12.340 They provide the trucking and the driving.

00:40:14.360 And then there's another company called LMCC underneath SRS.

00:40:17.640 That's an Israeli company that provides the construction materials for the sites.

00:40:21.240 Okay, so, SafeReach Solutions is the contractor that handles, like, all the details for passing out aid from building the facilities to providing men with guns to protect them.

00:40:36.160 SRS is what most people would think GHF would be doing.

00:40:40.000 Right, exactly.

00:40:40.700 Yes, sir.

00:40:40.920 Okay.

00:40:41.600 So, and they work for the IDF.

00:40:43.600 Yes, sir.

00:40:44.600 Okay, so this is an IDF operation.

00:40:46.080 I mean, the way I would describe it is that the United States is providing a humanitarian assistance mechanism that is not providing food, nor water, nor assistance.

00:40:56.960 That what I would call is an appendage of the Israeli Defense Force.

00:41:01.560 So, if you consider the combat operations that have been going on in southern Gaza, in any combat operation, you have an offensive force and you have a sustainment force.

00:41:12.340 You have a shaping force.

00:41:13.480 If the active combat, activated combat reserve units in the south are the combat component conducting offensive operations, SRS, thereby Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, I would call shaping operation number one.

00:41:30.940 Displace the population, move the population, allow for phase two, the ending of Operation Gideon's Chariots. 0.53

00:41:41.080 That just ended last night.

00:41:43.480 That started when we got there, like the day after we got into country.

00:41:46.860 What was the purpose of that operation?

00:41:48.360 To clear the entire central portion of the enclave.

00:41:51.880 Of Gaza. 0.52

00:41:52.980 Yes.

00:41:54.000 From what's called the Morag Corridor, which runs east to west, just north of the sites, through Rafa, Mawasi, Kanyunis, Berish, up to the Neserim Corridor.

00:42:05.400 So, yeah, that was the objective of Operation Gideon's Chariots, which, as of last night, came to an end.

00:42:15.320 Highly criticized because they didn't accomplish that task entirely.

00:42:18.580 But now they're shifting into the next phase, which, from a military perspective, if you are trying to absolutely destroy a nation, that's exactly what you would do.

00:42:33.780 You conduct wide area security, you conduct offensive operations, you establish control, and then you occupy.

00:42:41.280 And that's what they're doing.

00:42:42.380 What's happening in Gaza is often described as a war, and you said you heard and saw small arms fire, mortars, artillery barrages, but they were all coming from the IDF.

00:42:54.740 Did you see counterfire?

00:42:57.080 Were they fighting against an armed enemy?

00:43:00.680 Was it actually a war?

00:43:02.060 Did you ever see any Palestinians committing acts of violence when you were there?

00:43:06.180 In all the days that I was there, and again, GHF, who, again, their lawyers and their press personnel have gone there for some photo shoots.

00:43:19.240 I've been to every site.

00:43:20.740 I've seen the IDF around every location.

00:43:22.840 I've seen the IDF, operational graphics, and array of their battle forces.

00:43:27.920 I've seen it with my own eyes.

00:43:29.000 Because I have never, in the entire time that I was there at every site, seen an armed Palestinian.

00:43:37.220 Not one?

00:43:38.100 Not one.

00:43:40.340 So, the artillery, the mortars, the small arms, I mean, they were not defending themselves?

00:43:52.180 No, sir.

00:43:52.900 The IDF, again, I'd like to clarify in terms of the position that the IDF is in, the Israeli Defense Forces, the position that they've been put in, in the South, is untenable, operationally unsound.

00:44:11.480 And they, they shouldn't be, to have active, and I put that on GHF, because when the IDF said, here are these sites, we put them in operational combat zones, that's why Jake Wood stepped down.

00:44:26.080 Jake Wood, on the 26th of May, day one, cut the ribbon, yellow shovel, or golden shovel, here we go, supposed to give us a big pep talk.

00:44:33.300 He stepped down.

00:44:34.940 And who is he exactly?

00:44:36.240 Jake Wood was the previous Johnny Moore, if you will.

00:44:39.540 He was the guy in charge of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, that as soon as this thing kicked off, we're going live, he stepped down, and then members-

00:44:47.560 Has he ever explained why he stepped down?

00:44:49.360 I, I have not, I've never met the man.

00:44:52.760 I don't know much about him, other than when we were about to kick the whole thing off, there was going to be this, you know, kind of this pep talk, you know, great, you know, go forth and do great things.

00:45:04.760 And then it was, hey, pep talk's canceled because he stepped down.

00:45:09.780 It was kind of, it left kind of us, kind of a lot of us just thinking, what is this?

00:45:15.800 Well, so this all starts, you were there from the very beginning, there are almost 300, all over 300 American contractors providing security.

00:45:26.980 When you start to see the Israeli military shooting unarmed people, including children, does anyone talk about this at night?

00:45:34.240 Like, I can't believe what we're watching.

00:45:35.620 Yes, and in fact, in some of the videos that have been taken, that I've taken, and I think it's another interesting story to go down the, you know, how the videos got released because UG Solutions released them themselves, which was ironic.

00:45:51.060 But in one of those videos, I'm walking, and one of the other contractors with me says, it shouldn't be this way.

00:45:58.420 It didn't have to be this way.

00:46:00.000 We didn't need to do this.

00:46:01.180 And what he's talking about is the fact that the Palestinian crowd was calm and controlled, and they were leaving.

00:46:07.660 We held off.

00:46:09.240 Yeah, what's wrong?

00:46:10.700 No, I just, I didn't want to get to the, I know, I know.

00:46:15.160 When you're trying to push thousands of people through a very small exit, it doesn't happen quickly.

00:46:20.840 So as they're leaving, UG Solutions personnel following the lead, it's what the IDF do.

00:46:26.380 So spraying with pepper spray, stun grenades, warning shots, this contractor, he's walking next to me, and he says, clearly, it's in the conversation of the video, shouldn't be this way.

00:46:40.220 We shouldn't be doing this.

00:46:41.620 It didn't have to be this way.

00:46:43.360 And I said, and I say to him in the video, like, hey, you know, because he was, he was one of the leaders of the mobile team.

00:46:50.160 He wasn't in charge on site.

00:46:51.260 So he was just a, he didn't have the authority, but I was like, hey, you did it, he did a very good job of maintaining his composure.

00:46:58.700 And I said, hey, you did a good job.

00:47:00.020 This isn't on you.

00:47:01.360 You know, we did, you did what you could, but people recognize it and people are coming forward.

00:47:07.000 There are a number of, at least close to a dozen now of other contractors that have either come out off the record and some that will soon, that are multiple coming on the record.

00:47:17.580 So the Ghazi Humanitarian Foundation and Safe Reach Solutions and UG Solutions, they can, they can bash me, bury me, make fun of me, all they want. 0.98

00:47:28.580 It doesn't bother me.

00:47:29.940 Got no, I've got skin in this game, but what they think bothers me not.

00:47:36.160 Others are coming behind me.

00:47:37.800 Is GHF going to call everybody a liar?

00:47:40.440 Are they going to call everybody a disgruntled employee?

00:47:43.660 Was I disgruntled?

00:47:44.620 Everybody a Hamas supporter. 0.99

00:47:46.000 Everybody's a Hamas supporter. 1.00

00:47:47.380 All of these American veterans that raised their right hand to serve our country in uniform for decades when Johnny Moore didn't serve his country a day.

00:47:53.840 He's going to call us all Hamas.

00:47:55.600 He's going to call us all liars.

00:47:58.780 We're all disgruntled employees.

00:48:00.420 So put that on me.

00:48:01.920 Put it all on me.

00:48:03.300 I support Hamas. 1.00

00:48:04.620 Say it. 0.76

00:48:05.560 I, I, I'm a horrible employee.

00:48:08.360 I, I didn't perform.

00:48:11.440 Say, say your worst because those that are coming behind me.

00:48:16.000 You're going to say that about them too?

00:48:18.620 You can't.

00:48:19.760 And the truth is coming.

00:48:24.100 What did you think of the IDF?

00:48:25.640 Did you deal with them when you were there?

00:48:27.600 I did.

00:48:28.200 And, um, the Israeli defense forces in the, that were specifically activated to conduct operations in the south, in Gaza, were reserves.

00:48:40.260 Right.

00:48:40.880 Reserves called forth.

00:48:43.500 Um, rapidly.

00:48:44.600 So there wasn't a lot of training.

00:48:47.620 Almost none.

00:48:48.460 I think they probably got even less training than the UG Solutions guys did before they went in.

00:48:51.940 And that's pretty abhorrent.

00:48:53.860 Um, not disciplined.

00:48:56.760 Um, not professional soldiers.

00:48:58.760 It's not, it's not what they do.

00:48:59.920 Um, not impressed with their, with their, um, proficiency and performance.

00:49:06.380 Because, granted, as a reserve force that's called up and immediately put into combat, I mean, when the United States calls up reserve forces, we put them through an extensive preparation.

00:49:15.040 For sure.

00:49:15.680 Absolutely.

00:49:16.620 They're, you know, because it's not their profession.

00:49:19.440 These soldiers didn't get that.

00:49:21.500 And they were thrown into the fire.

00:49:23.140 Thrown into the fire by the Israeli government into a precarious, untenable situation that, that no army should have to deal with.

00:49:32.260 You should not put food distribution sites in an active combat area.

00:49:39.220 What did, I mean, were there officers aware of the fact that they were shooting kids?

00:49:43.340 Um, I believe that they were, they were all aware.

00:49:49.040 And I, and I think that on the, at the lower level, um, and it's starting to, it's starting to come out now.

00:49:55.060 There are, there have, every day, there are more and more IDF soldiers that are returning home.

00:50:01.020 Again, as I said, when these contractors come home and the adrenaline's gone and you're not living and you're not in the situation anymore.

00:50:10.200 And you have to look yourself in the mirror and those things come back to you that we shouldn't have done that.

00:50:14.780 We shouldn't have allowed that.

00:50:16.540 Same thing that's happening with these IDF soldiers.

00:50:18.780 They're reservists.

00:50:19.700 They're in there for 90 days.

00:50:21.220 They come home.

00:50:22.560 Almost like clockwork.

00:50:23.660 As they come out of that field, as they come out of the field and they decompress, they have to look at themselves in the mirror.

00:50:28.680 Remember, when you're in there and you're in war and the fog and friction of war alter your compass, alter your, your azimuth, your moral compass.

00:50:40.300 And when you step back into society where there's expectations of civilization and that moral compass straightens up again, there's a lot to answer for.

00:50:52.340 It's happening.

00:50:53.420 A lot of the IDF that are there that are serving are coming out and saying like, yes, we were ordered to shoot the children. 0.94

00:50:58.480 We were ordered to shoot. 0.86

00:50:59.280 By their officers. 0.96

00:51:00.240 By their officers, by their units.

00:51:01.980 You mentioned a food, a food distribution site where there were 30 dead bodies.

00:51:09.820 That was, um, it was 20.

00:51:12.100 20.

00:51:12.600 Yes.

00:51:12.780 That was secure distribution site number three on the 16th of July.

00:51:16.140 How do you kill 20 people?

00:51:18.320 Was there like a, a revolt of the people?

00:51:21.020 Do they go after the IDF or how does that happen?

00:51:24.680 So, um.

00:51:25.540 That's a lot of people.

00:51:26.600 I was not physically there.

00:51:29.200 However, what, what GHF put out in their press release was that it was a stampede.

00:51:35.620 It wasn't away from the site.

00:51:37.800 It wasn't near the site.

00:51:38.960 It was on the site.

00:51:40.520 It was smack dab in the middle of the distribution site where, where starving human beings are collecting food.

00:51:46.860 It was a stampede.

00:51:48.520 That stampede killed 20 people.

00:51:52.960 Now they say that one was stabbed.

00:51:55.360 I've never seen any documentation of that, but 20 were killed.

00:51:58.740 So if you fire live ammo, was there live ammo being fired?

00:52:01.880 Absolutely.

00:52:02.600 As quote, again, the, even the, the lawyer for UG Solutions who spoke against me said that Aguilar is a liar. 0.90

00:52:13.780 Though our forces may shoot warning shots at their feet and over their heads, we don't shoot at them.

00:52:20.220 Well, thank you, Mr. Contract Attorney, for admitting to a war crime on the record.

00:52:24.740 Because shooting at an unarmed population, targeting, shooting at them, shooting in their direction intentionally to control them, is specifically prohibited in the protocols of the Geneva Convention.

00:52:35.740 So thank you, Mr. Attorney, for putting that on the record.

00:52:38.880 When people get shot to death or trampled at a distribution site, what happens to the bodies?

00:52:43.840 Does, does Gaza Humanitarian Foundation bury the bodies?

00:52:47.200 Oh, no, no.

00:52:48.060 Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, Safe Reach Solutions, UG Solutions, we don't have anything to do with it.

00:52:53.500 The IDF will come in, collect up the bodies and, or, or the IDF will allow the International Red Cross Red Crescent to come in and take the bodies, in this case, from site number three to the Al Nasser Hospital.

00:53:07.480 And what I find interesting in that very instance, that same day, July 16th, 20 people killed on site three.

00:53:16.480 GHF even put it in a release, sadly, to report that 20 Palestinians or 20 civilians were killed on site.

00:53:24.080 Hamas did it. 0.95

00:53:26.000 Hamas started the stampede.

00:53:27.280 But then when the hospitals, when the surgeons in Nasser Hospital said, we received 30 dead bodies from, or excuse me, 20, 20 dead bodies from this site.

00:53:39.740 IDF and GHF said, they're lying.

00:53:43.160 You just, you just said that 20 people were killed on your site.

00:53:46.340 Now the doctors are coming forward and saying, yes, we did receive 20 trampled dead bodies.

00:53:50.220 Now you're saying they didn't?

00:53:51.260 How did Hamas kill, trample the people to death?

00:53:55.860 The claim is that on site number three that day, Hamas incited a stampede.

00:54:01.920 How? 0.90

00:54:02.660 That is absolutely ludicrous.

00:54:07.400 Site number three.

00:54:09.680 On the 28th of May.

00:54:12.640 Site number three had a very similar situation.

00:54:16.140 Site number three is, each site's kind of got its own flavor, if you will.

00:54:20.620 So each site's kind of like its own, its own arena.

00:54:24.440 Site number three, because it's right in the middle of, between site number two and an IDF base, it's very canalized when the foot traffic from the Morag Corridor comes south into the site.

00:54:35.220 It's very congested.

00:54:36.320 It's very tight.

00:54:38.660 The exit is very tight and the exit is also very constrained with debris, just mounds of rubble.

00:54:45.560 So when the people are leaving, there's really nowhere for them to go except continuing to be pushed through this small exit.

00:54:52.520 It is the perfect setting for a stampede of human beings.

00:54:57.780 It's if it was created for that.

00:55:01.640 On the 28th of May, site number three.

00:55:04.220 It is a bottleneck.

00:55:04.740 It is a bottleneck surrounded by razor wire and surrounded by fighting positions where IDF have machine guns.

00:55:12.800 And they're firing live rounds.

00:55:14.700 Firing live rounds.

00:55:15.480 When you hear UG Solutions or anyone talk about a quote-unquote warning shot, there's no such thing as a warning shot.

00:55:23.360 I've never heard of that before.

00:55:24.440 What does that mean?

00:55:24.940 The United States military doesn't use it because firing a bullet is firing a bullet.

00:55:31.080 Escalation of force would be, for an example, if I was in Baghdad as a combatant, an actual under Title X authority under the United States Constitution fighting as a belligerent in war.

00:55:42.320 I can't just walk up to somebody and be like, oh, that looks like Al-Qaeda. 0.95

00:55:45.280 I'm going to shoot them. 1.00

00:55:46.160 There's to be a threat. 1.00

00:55:46.780 And the process of that threat is where, unless you are engaged in active combat, you feel a threat.

00:55:52.920 It's typically, you have signage, like, hey, don't go past this point, right?

00:55:58.660 Then you shout, show, and then you shoot. 0.99

00:56:01.600 And when you shoot, you shoot to kill. 1.00

00:56:03.680 You're not shooting a warning shot. 0.99

00:56:05.540 Warning shot is such a misnomer.

00:56:08.180 It's not a thing.

00:56:09.940 Bullets are bullets.

00:56:10.320 Are these 5-5-6 rounds?

00:56:11.960 They are not only 5-5-6 rounds.

00:56:13.560 They are 5-5-6 M8-55 green-tipped steel core armor-piercing rounds.

00:56:18.740 Yep.

00:56:19.840 So, what's the lethal distance of a round like that, fired flat?

00:56:25.120 Like, how far does it travel?

00:56:27.540 Oh, well, considering, like, if I was on an M4 range, you know, I'm shooting at, for a qualification, I'm shooting out to 300 meters at the furthest pop-up target.

00:56:38.900 But, um, maximum, like, maximum effective range of, with that M4 is out to 500, but out to 800 to 1,000 in terms of where the bolt travels with its velocity.

00:56:52.300 That's what I'm saying.

00:56:52.860 Yeah, very far.

00:56:54.420 So, if you're firing thousands of rounds, even if you're firing over people's heads, like, where do those bullets go?

00:57:00.460 Where are those bullets going?

00:57:01.760 So, when-

00:57:02.080 What's the answer?

00:57:02.640 When UG Solutions says, we fire towards the sea, the sea's a big place.

00:57:08.240 And you know what?

00:57:08.900 The sea crashes into a beach.

00:57:12.520 And you know what's along that beach on the coastal road in Gaza?

00:57:16.320 Hundreds of thousands of civilians.

00:57:19.260 So, when UG Solutions says that our men fire into the air or towards the beach, well, thank you again, Mr. Attorney, for just verifying to the world that you are shooting bullets into a crowd of unarmed civilians.

00:57:30.320 Because what lines the entire coast from north to south of the Mediterranean Sea in Gaza?

00:57:35.940 Thousands of human beings.

00:57:38.180 Have you ever, I mean, you had 12 deployments.

00:57:45.400 So, have you ever seen anything like that anywhere else?

00:57:47.740 I have never experienced, witnessed, been a part of anything that was that uncontrolled, undisciplined, barbaric, immature, and what I would call just a reckless endangerment.

00:58:03.200 But we are not dealing with, we're not, first of all, UGS contractors in Gaza are not belligerent combatants.

00:58:13.260 We're there on a tourist visa.

00:58:14.820 Tourists.

00:58:15.220 And you carried a firearm?

00:58:18.260 Fully automatic firearm.

00:58:19.660 Where'd you get the gun?

00:58:21.660 UG Solutions provided them to us from an Israeli company called IWI.

00:58:25.240 It's a very, it's an Israeli company that makes this weapon.

00:58:27.720 All of our weapons, our shotguns, our pistols, our machine guns, our fully automatic rifles, all came from IWI.

00:58:37.920 So, you land on a tourist visa and they hand you an automatic rifle.

00:58:41.420 And we didn't qualify it on it either.

00:58:43.600 Really?

00:58:43.980 We did not qualify on our weapon system, which was a requirement in the contract, which is why I brought this up as a point.

00:58:50.180 Because zeroing your weapon, as you know, you calibrate the weapon to you.

00:58:55.520 Of course.

00:58:56.680 Qualifying is a whole nother stage.

00:58:59.180 Once you zero the weapon and it's calibrated to you, you demonstrate your proficiency.

00:59:03.840 Can I use this?

00:59:05.440 It's even the most elite of military forces zero and qualify on any weapon that they use.

00:59:12.740 Immediately.

00:59:13.460 Immediately.

00:59:13.980 It's the first thing you do.

00:59:15.260 In fact, the contract itself, the contract even states that we must demonstrate proficiency and qualify on our weapon before we go into Gaza.

00:59:26.060 No one, not one person, no one qualified on their weapon system.

00:59:30.840 So, they handed you a rifle and...

00:59:34.380 They handed us rifles, pistols, and machine guns, of which we didn't qualify on any of them.

00:59:40.220 Had you operated those specific weapons before?

00:59:42.580 No.

00:59:42.880 I mean, very few people.

00:59:44.840 I mean, maybe there are a couple guys that are enthusiasts within...

00:59:50.620 You know, they have rifles that may have an IWI rifle.

00:59:53.800 I'd never heard of it.

00:59:54.700 I don't own one, but no.

00:59:56.040 Oh, these were actually manufactured by IWI.

00:59:59.040 Manufactured.

00:59:59.520 Not just given to us by IWI.

01:00:01.240 These are IWI rifles made in Israel.

01:00:04.440 Right off the...

01:00:05.140 You'd never operated that kind of rifle before?

01:00:08.380 I would say the majority, very, probably very, very, very, very few, if any, of the contractors had ever operated that weapon.

01:00:16.340 I had never even seen one.

01:00:17.660 I wasn't even aware of it.

01:00:18.800 And they just handed it to you?

01:00:19.660 Gave it to me.

01:00:20.160 And when they first handed it to me, and I looked at it, and the options were safe, single, fully automatic, I was like, whoa, this is serious.

01:00:30.720 Not even the United States Army Infantry gives weapons that are fully automatic.

01:00:36.720 For humanitarian assistance?

01:00:38.320 Loaded.

01:00:38.860 They give you ammunition as well.

01:00:40.840 210 rounds of M855 Green Tip Steel Core armor-penetrating ammunition.

01:00:46.440 Why Green Tip ammo?

01:00:47.840 You know, I really, I really don't, well, again, the Israelis gave us that. 0.99

01:00:54.300 But was there, is there a reason?

01:00:57.000 You wouldn't give someone that type of ammunition in a very closed, condensed space like that unless you either had no regard for human life, civilian human life, or you were intentionally trying to kill civilians at distance.

01:01:12.440 It's, when we were given that ammunition, I thought it was absurd.

01:01:15.400 I was like, I thought we were going into Gaza to deliver humanitarian aid, and we had a weapon only, only to defend ourselves against an imminent threat of death.

01:01:25.660 Meaning, I don't pull that trigger.

01:01:27.320 Not a warning shot.

01:01:28.620 Not a celebratory shot.

01:01:30.220 I do not pull that trigger unless I am directly threatened with the imminent threat of death.

01:01:35.360 So, why are you giving me steel core armor-penetrating, I wouldn't say armor-piercing, but armor-penetrating ammunition that can shoot through sand berms like knife, like a hot knife through butter?

01:01:48.560 What are we doing?

01:01:49.760 Well, that's what, that's what the IDF gave us.

01:01:51.920 That's what we're going to use.

01:01:52.660 I'm like, yeah, but aren't we paying for it?

01:01:55.540 It's part of the contract, right?

01:01:56.560 We're paying for it.

01:01:57.360 Can't we dictate what we buy?

01:01:59.140 Well, this is all they have.

01:01:59.900 And I'm like, that's not true.

01:02:01.740 That's, I'm, that's entirely not true.

01:02:04.240 So, you passed out food.

01:02:07.760 Your job was to provide security at sites where they were passing out food, but you have said that they didn't pass out water because it was too expensive.

01:02:16.300 How, how does that work exactly?

01:02:18.620 Is there a lot of water in Gaza?

01:02:21.300 And the food you're passing out requires water to cook it, right?

01:02:24.380 It was like dried beans and corn and stuff.

01:02:27.240 Yeah, it's kind of like your kid turned 16 and they walk outside and you got the big bow on the Pontiac and it's like, happy birthday.

01:02:34.240 And you give them the keys and it's got no gas in it. 0.99

01:02:37.060 Real jerk move, right? 0.98

01:02:38.940 So, to give people food that requires water to cook it and then give them no water. 0.98

01:02:46.880 And in order to get to the food, they have to walk eight kilometers and then walk eight kilometers back to their house to cook it.

01:02:52.700 And you give them no water.

01:02:55.040 It's, it's so inhumane and evil that it can only be deliberate.

01:03:01.320 Is there a lot of water in Gaza?

01:03:04.660 There's none.

01:03:05.560 I mean, other than cisterns from rainwater, remnants of old wells that, that may be still operating at a very low level.

01:03:13.000 But in terms of municipal type water, freshwater, tap water, absolutely not.

01:03:20.620 So how do, I mean, is anyone else bringing water into Gaza?

01:03:23.360 No.

01:03:24.780 No water?

01:03:26.300 No.

01:03:26.700 That's why if you saw on the news today, just today, and this is not just in Western media, this is in Israeli news.

01:03:31.960 N12, channel 13.

01:03:34.000 I watch all the Israeli news, breaking news on my, I'm just into it now.

01:03:39.100 And the, the new, or the, the, the now realized danger is that they're, they're critically low and running out of water, which should not surprise anybody.

01:03:53.600 How would they be getting it?

01:03:54.800 We're not, the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation isn't providing any.

01:03:57.340 Um, did you bring this up?

01:04:03.380 We brought this up on the very first day and not just myself, other contractors, other people that have a conscience that were like, okay, I see this child or this woman breaking into a box of food and it's all dried goods.

01:04:19.360 No prepared goods, all dried goods that require water to make, that require effort to make.

01:04:27.800 There's no water.

01:04:28.720 And we asked that.

01:04:30.400 And we were told, well, the IDF said no to water.

01:04:34.040 Well, who's in charge here?

01:04:36.040 I mean, I thought we were doing the humanitarian aid.

01:04:38.140 Well, we are, but we're not going to push back on it because water would be three times more expensive per truckload than we can bring in equal to that of three trucks of food and more food is better than, than, than limiting that for water.

01:04:49.580 And I'm like, I think someone that was actually educated in humanitarian assistance and providing humanitarian aid and someone that was a nutritionist that was well-versed in feeding people would probably disagree with that.

01:05:03.880 I would disagree with that.

01:05:05.080 Water?

01:05:06.220 In the United States Army, if you're in the field and conducting combat operations, I mean, not having water is a sin.

01:05:14.900 You don't go without water.

01:05:16.440 So, us providing no water for food that has to be cooked with water is almost like a slap in the face.

01:05:27.360 It's dehumanizing.

01:05:28.480 Where is, has Johnny Moore addressed this?

01:05:30.640 No, because Johnny Moore won't answer any questions.

01:05:33.920 And to be fair, I don't think he doesn't answer it because he's a bad guy.

01:05:40.420 I think he doesn't answer it because he doesn't know.

01:05:42.920 He knows nothing.

01:05:44.480 I'd be willing to take, I think it's a very charitable view.

01:05:46.880 When I heard him suggest that anyone who criticizes him and his, quote, life-saving work is working for Hamas, that's when I began to wonder if he was really a good guy. 0.97

01:05:55.300 Because good people don't immediately deflect in that way and accuse their critics of working for a terror group.

01:06:01.020 There are legitimate questions.

01:06:02.160 You don't have to be a Hamas sympathizer to ask, are you delivering enough water?

01:06:06.720 I think that's very inflammatory and bombastic to think that anyone that would speak out against seeing travesty and dehumanization is automatically labeled as Hamas because you don't agree with his perception.

01:06:25.440 Well, especially if he's an American army colonel from San Antonio who spent 25 years fighting radical Islam.

01:06:31.360 I think it's a little much.

01:06:32.120 Whose wife served in the military.

01:06:33.320 Yeah.

01:06:33.580 Whose parents served in the military.

01:06:34.940 Yeah.

01:06:35.500 Yeah.

01:06:36.760 That's, so I don't, you know, I think that others can judge whether Johnny Moore is a good guy, but I don't think he gets the presumption of good guy-ness after he says something like that.

01:06:45.680 That would be my position on that.

01:06:47.040 I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt.

01:06:49.320 No, I think, and bless you for it.

01:06:51.180 You're a better man than I.

01:06:51.780 Never met him.

01:06:53.360 So you brought this up.

01:06:55.060 They said it's too expensive.

01:06:56.480 Too expensive.

01:06:56.720 And the IDF doesn't want the Gazans to have water, so no water for them.

01:07:02.920 Yeah, the, the, again, the, when there wasn't a cooperative discourse with the IDF in terms of how many trucks, how much food, which sites, which times, it was directed and there was no conversation.

01:07:15.380 It was, you will deliver to this site during these times, these many trucks, you will distribute this much at this time, and that is it.

01:07:24.880 So the IDF is totally in charge, it sounds, operationally.

01:07:28.360 The IDF gets to dictate when we go in because they control access into Gaza.

01:07:33.060 So when all of our trucks get loaded, we can't go into Gaza proper from Karim Shalom until the IDF say it's okay.

01:07:40.700 Sometimes they don't let us in.

01:07:42.000 And you worked with the IDF on and off over your career.

01:07:45.500 I have, and various.

01:07:46.640 What did you think of the IDF when you were in the, in the Army?

01:07:51.240 Overall, as holistically, not impressed.

01:07:56.180 Now, there are some units within the IDF, within the Israeli Defense Force and with the Israeli Ministry of Defense that, that are good.

01:08:03.080 Yes.

01:08:03.840 Professional, good, best of the best.

01:08:05.820 Famous.

01:08:06.220 Writ large, not impressed.

01:08:09.060 Interesting.

01:08:09.660 And not because necessarily that they're, that they're bad soldiers, but it's leadership, poor training, poor equipment.

01:08:18.640 This, this idea that, you know, and, and part of it is that when you think about the, the Israeli Defense Force, they're not, the, the Israeli military structure doesn't call themselves an army or a navy or an air force.

01:08:33.020 They're Israeli defense force.

01:08:34.580 They defend Israel.

01:08:36.360 Yes.

01:08:36.880 They're not, they're not expeditionary.

01:08:39.880 They're not like the United States Army that has to train to fight wars overseas.

01:08:44.980 They, they, they defend within.

01:08:47.200 And for the most part, they're fighting an enemy now at this point that are women and children and old men.

01:08:57.040 It's not hard to defeat and annihilate an enemy when your enemy, the majority of them are under the age of 15. 0.99

01:09:07.140 It's easy to shoot kids.

01:09:08.560 It's, it's, it's, it's almost, you have to have a sense of cognitive dissonance to do it.

01:09:19.980 But you almost have to separate yourself from the situation, which is why I've said many of these contractors, if they have a conscience, which I think many of them do because they've served in the military and they know what right and wrong looks like.

01:09:29.920 And in the IDF that when that separation of that cognitive dissonance between your morals and what you're doing comes back to you as a human, it hits hard.

01:09:41.120 And in the coming days and weeks, as this operation, as Operation Gideon's Chariots has ended, and the Israeli army has to refit into this restructuring for occupation, which is a whole new ballgame.

01:09:56.480 Occupational army, U.S. Army World War II, U.S. Army post-invasion of Iraq, that's when things get really nasty. 0.75

01:10:05.400 That's when things get really gray.

01:10:07.160 We think that things are complicated and complex now, wait until you put an occupation army under the streets of Gaza City.

01:10:13.080 If you don't mind fleshing out the difference between what's going on now and a, and a formal occupation.

01:10:19.500 So right now in the South, so consider if you're a, um, a combat force, infantry, armor, tanks, artillery, you're maneuvering, you're maneuvering against an enemy or not.

01:10:32.440 In this case, I didn't see many enemy out there.

01:10:34.200 I didn't see any enemy out there.

01:10:35.260 When you're an army of occupation, you then become static.

01:10:40.720 You become routine.

01:10:42.940 You become identifiable.

01:10:44.660 That's when counterinsurgency often resonates the most is that, so right now, if I were Hamas, while the active war is going on, the offensive, I'm laying low. 0.81

01:10:56.520 I'm hiding, I'm going to come out and get killed.

01:11:00.160 When the occupation begins, that's when the, the insurgency presents itself in armed violence.

01:11:08.300 Yeah, that's when you have permanent bases that can be blown up.

01:11:11.100 It's violent and it's going to get deadly.

01:11:14.060 And as the, well, more deadly.

01:11:16.520 And if the United States doesn't set a firm tone of what's acceptable and what's not, no longer can we have this IDF, do what you will. 0.86

01:11:27.180 And we'll just kind of, we'll play back up.

01:11:29.120 No, we cannot.

01:11:30.580 The president of the United States needs to set clear, firm expectations and boundaries with our ally.

01:11:36.880 Because this occupation, two things will happen.

01:11:40.940 One, it's going to become extremely violent, grotesquely violent.

01:11:46.660 Markava tanks being blown up on the Saladin road going into Gaza.

01:11:50.900 The Israelis won't like it. 0.99

01:11:52.900 But then also, when forces begin to go into Gaza City and people, other people start to see the amount of starvation and destitute and destruction.

01:12:08.120 It's going to bring the world to its knees.

01:12:12.060 And it's not going to be a year from now.

01:12:14.040 It's not going to be months from now.

01:12:16.320 Days from now.

01:12:19.300 When the rest of the world sees what Gaza looks like, is that what you're saying?

01:12:23.580 Yes, because if you consider, so the Spaniards, the Jordanians, and the French have each gone in and dropped airdrop.

01:12:32.440 But, um, airdrop is ineffective because each aircraft you see flying over, pushing out bundles, that's only the equivalent of half of one truck.

01:12:45.220 It's not much at all.

01:12:49.040 Half of one truck only feeds a couple hundred people.

01:12:52.960 One meal.

01:12:54.660 Not to consider what hits the ground and explodes.

01:12:57.620 Most of it doesn't make it to the ground safely.

01:12:59.960 So, those airdrops were for show.

01:13:03.620 For the first time in a long time, others besides the Israeli Defense Force Air Force have seen what Gaza looks like from above.

01:13:19.400 And the Israeli government specifically said no media in the aircraft.

01:13:23.200 But, some of the crew on these aircraft, the Spaniards, the French, the, um, the Jordanians, saw that and went back to their governments and were like, this is beyond words.

01:13:36.480 And I can attest to that.

01:13:37.680 Wait, just from the air?

01:13:39.580 It was obvious to them the devastation?

01:13:41.620 So, when, um, when they're conducting, um, equipment drops, in this case, food pallet drops, I mean, it's at a lower altitude.

01:13:50.720 It's not like it's from, you know, it's not like from 10,000 feet in the air.

01:13:53.600 No, it's like 800 feet.

01:13:53.820 It's from a lower altitude, which you get a pretty good view of the ground, of the ground from above.

01:13:58.680 And, and the scale of devastation in Gaza, that, not that I just, you know, I'm not talking about someone that saw this from the outside, or someone that saw pictures, or someone that looked at a picture and assessed it.

01:14:11.240 It was there, touched it, felt it, smelled it.

01:14:14.480 And what's it smell like?

01:14:17.440 So, very, you know, for those that have experienced it, um, the smell of death, human death, has a very unforgettable smell.

01:14:27.200 You mean, like, rotting bodies?

01:14:29.420 Rotting bodies, starvation, the body just breaking down.

01:14:34.380 And when that's in mass, it's overwhelming.

01:14:38.580 I, I smelled this, this same smell once in, um, in, in, in Baghdad during the, um, during the 2006 timeframe, during the, the height of the sectarian violence, when Sunni and Shia were just slaughtering each other.

01:14:54.140 And one of our jobs that we had to do during that time was on our patrols, we would take, uh, uh, a truck and a trailer and we would load bodies.

01:15:03.500 Many of veterans have, have done this.

01:15:05.200 This is, this is recorded history.

01:15:07.020 We would load with the Iraqi army.

01:15:09.080 We'd go through neighborhoods and load bodies because they had just been slaughtered.

01:15:14.200 Families slaughtered.

01:15:16.140 Um, that smell did that, um, in terms of picking up the bodies.

01:15:21.320 Yeah.

01:15:21.540 Yeah.

01:15:21.780 That, well, while in Baghdad in the height of sectarian violence during the, my very first deployment as a platoon leader, um, and many, a veteran can attest to this because we had to do it.

01:15:31.740 Um, um, we, we would have to move through on our combat patrols.

01:15:36.560 We would have to take army trucks and trailers with Iraqi army personnel to load up bodies because there were so many. 1.00

01:15:45.660 That's, that smell is something you never forget.

01:15:49.500 So in Gaza, standing on the berm of site number four, looking north to Gaza city.

01:15:58.200 So if you're standing on site number four and you're looking south, you see Beriche and you see everything to the south towards the Egyptian border.

01:16:05.400 If you're standing on the northern berm, you're looking at Gaza city, the, the apocalypse. 1.00

01:16:15.180 It's the only thing I can describe it as.

01:16:16.900 Well, in the evening, when that coastal wind comes over the Mediterranean and sweeps through and that hits you in the face, it smells like death.

01:16:28.300 And to that scale, mark my words, someone that's seen it, someone that's lived it, someone that's touched it, someone that's felt it.

01:16:36.240 When the world gets a look at what's in Gaza city and Jibalia and Southern Erez on the Gaza side of the border.

01:16:43.540 The world will not tolerate it.

01:16:48.040 So what I would say to every American leader, politics aside, put the politics aside.

01:16:56.220 We need to be on the right side of history because our allies are close.

01:17:02.140 Some of our, you know, we say that Israel is one of our closest allies.

01:17:05.160 Some of our closest allies, France, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia are all standing and we're not.

01:17:15.780 That says something.

01:17:16.800 Have you brought this to the attention of American lawmakers?

01:17:25.520 I have.

01:17:26.380 And some of them have taken action.

01:17:28.820 Congressman Castro, I had a very good conversation with his staff and him.

01:17:33.280 Senator Warnock.

01:17:35.340 Senator Tillis.

01:17:37.300 Senator Van Hollen.

01:17:39.240 What did Tillis say?

01:17:40.040 Well, Senator Tillis, you know, as a Republican, his, his concern is, is because we have a large constituency of North Carolina, North Carolinians, veterans.

01:17:49.740 Oh, yeah.

01:17:50.240 Who are in Gaza armed.

01:17:53.000 On a tourist visa.

01:17:55.160 Lied to with no protections.

01:17:57.860 That's his constituency.

01:17:59.220 I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm one of his people.

01:18:03.060 So.

01:18:04.300 Yeah, people need to, people need to take notice.

01:18:06.620 This is not a political party line.

01:18:08.560 This is humanity.

01:18:09.360 So when you go into Tillis's office, who's a very strong pro-Israel guy, big neocon, big neocon, and you tell him this story, how does he treat you?

01:18:19.640 So we talked to, we talked to his staff on, on, at his invite, his professional staff that gave notes to him.

01:18:26.940 And, but every meeting I had with, with Congress, whether they were Republican or Democrat.

01:18:31.940 When I sat down and I told them the truth of it, we have Americans, U.S. citizens, veterans, that we put into Gaza, armed to stave off a hungry, starving population with no rules of engagement on a tourist visa.

01:18:52.320 One of the staffers even spit out his coffee when I said it.

01:18:57.500 Explain the significance of, of being an armed combatant from a foreign country on a tourist visa.

01:19:05.020 Why is that bad?

01:19:05.880 Well, anytime, you know, imagine if you will, if someone came from France to the United States to visit, just to see New York City, check out the sites.

01:19:16.640 And they wanted to be here for a few days.

01:19:18.760 So they, they would enter, you know, blue passport, bloop, go through, clear, get your little ticket.

01:19:25.260 You're on a tourist visa.

01:19:27.380 Imagine coming from France to go check out the Big Apple and you're walking around with a fully automatic machine gun, a pistol, a shotgun, and armor piercing rounds.

01:19:36.300 That would be absurd.

01:19:40.000 Now, would I continue to say what?

01:19:44.480 So in other words, I mean, you have no protection at all.

01:19:48.140 You have no legal protection.

01:19:49.280 Not only do you have legal, not have any legal protection under the Israeli government, we're there under the good graces of just hoping that, you know, that, that at some point, some Israeli official doesn't see what we're doing and saying like, that's criminal.

01:20:02.520 Right now, everybody's just like, just do it because nobody sees it.

01:20:05.780 But man, are we, I would call it, you know, like back in the day, we're riding dirty.

01:20:11.180 We don't have any legal protection.

01:20:13.100 And no rules of, what do you mean by that?

01:20:16.060 With no rules of, so the, I feel it's, it would have been incumbent upon safe reach solutions as the plan to issue a rules of engagement, but they did not.

01:20:24.760 So a rules of engagement is something, and even the, the most elite units in the United States military get briefed on and rehearse a rules of engagement.

01:20:36.360 That's what makes it-

01:20:36.720 Yeah, what can you do under what circumstances and what can't you do?

01:20:39.360 That's right. 0.77

01:20:39.840 Especially when it comes to pulling a trigger to shoot a bullet, to kill a human, when all of those humans are unarmed civilians.

01:20:48.940 That's, that's something that throughout the history of the world that we, from, from the battle of Jericho, I've been there.

01:20:55.560 I wasn't in the battle of Jericho, but I went to Jericho on my way out of Israel.

01:21:00.900 From Jericho to what we're seeing now, the world has always had the notion of protecting and safeguarding the vulnerable unarmed population.

01:21:13.600 It's what the Geneva Convention and humanitarian law is based on.

01:21:18.400 We've always done that.

01:21:20.360 Why is it different now?

01:21:21.560 Except in the book of Esther.

01:21:22.640 Sure.

01:21:23.160 Yeah.

01:21:23.500 They're genocided, but whatever.

01:21:25.660 Excuse me.

01:21:28.280 Yeah.

01:21:31.260 Again, did the Americans you were with, like having a, I don't know if there's beer for sale in Gaza, but whatever you do at night after a long day of watching civilians get shot at distribution centers,

01:21:42.880 did anyone say, man, this is, this is kind of nuts?

01:21:47.440 So the, the contractors that I mostly spent my time with, because remember I was the, as soon as we got into country, I was promoted to be the Joint Tactical Operations Center team leader.

01:21:59.720 So I had a small team who predominantly worked out of the Joint Tactical Operations Center.

01:22:05.960 Um, I had additional duties laid upon me by the leadership of UG Solutions in terms of taking pictures and, you know, being this pseudo PR person because they had no one to do PR slash this pseudo operations person.

01:22:19.000 So that's why you took all the pictures.

01:22:20.640 So taking all the pictures I was told to do in writing, I didn't take that because it was a hobby.

01:22:28.320 I had no intention of taking, like prior to getting there in my, in my, my phone.

01:22:34.380 I mean, I still had a flip phone before I went because I wanted to get a new one.

01:22:37.460 Um, so I could watch movies on the plane.

01:22:40.460 Um, in, in, in getting there, like the only pictures I had on my phone were like a few from, you know, some family stuff and not a phone picture taker.

01:22:52.620 Um, so all the pictures you showed me, the ones right here with the dates on them and it's, he basically took pictures every single day you were there.

01:22:59.940 It looks like they're all timestamped.

01:23:02.260 Um, you were asked to take these by your employer?

01:23:05.380 Told.

01:23:06.100 Told.

01:23:06.960 Not asked.

01:23:08.440 Told.

01:23:09.080 There's a, you know, this email here from, uh, and I think it's funny when they say about my, my performance here is that, you know, so this is an email.

01:23:18.700 I have this, um, email here from Mr. John Corrigan, who is the chief operations officer of UG Solutions.

01:23:25.740 Pretty important job.

01:23:27.360 Boss.

01:23:28.200 Ish.

01:23:28.480 And this is back to the headquarters in North Carolina.

01:23:33.600 To me, just a lonely old contractor.

01:23:36.680 I'm not going to say the guy's name that he sent it to.

01:23:39.100 Please add Tony who CC'd to our headquarters distribution list.

01:23:44.840 He produces the daily impact report that I've directed him to do.

01:23:48.420 And he does all ground planning for movement for our team.

01:23:52.280 Critical player to the operation.

01:23:54.860 That was on June 2nd.

01:23:56.220 Someone that's not a good performer.

01:23:59.140 Someone that was fired.

01:24:01.200 On June 12th.

01:24:03.300 The day before, UG Solutions apparently said that they fired me.

01:24:06.700 Which they did not.

01:24:10.480 Tony.

01:24:10.920 You've done a great job in taking photos and videos, which have been a tremendous asset to UG Solutions.

01:24:19.540 Apologies if this has caused any consternation for you.

01:24:23.520 We know that you are fully aligned with UG policies and are a member of the team.

01:24:28.240 This is on the 12th of June.

01:24:30.880 Fired me?

01:24:31.500 No.

01:24:34.880 You resigned, what, the next day?

01:24:37.220 I already had my resignation typed up that day.

01:24:39.280 What is important about this day on the 12th of June, which I think is, it would be funny if it wasn't so upsetting, is that all of the pictures that I took every day, go out into the field, take pictures, document, let's tell the truth.

01:24:57.080 Well, the truth that I grew up with is the truth of the truth.

01:25:00.820 You don't get to, you don't get to cherry pick the truth.

01:25:04.220 So every picture, every video, everything I took from the good to the bad to the indifferent.

01:25:09.420 When I came back, I uploaded into the, they established a Google share drive for me specifically every day.

01:25:15.720 That was one of my tasks.

01:25:17.040 Come back from a site, sit down at the computer, upload the photos and videos, and then wipe them from my phone.

01:25:22.800 They didn't want me to have them.

01:25:23.600 Why didn't they want you to have them?

01:25:27.680 They didn't want anybody, so in the contract, they specifically state that any photos, written experience, pictures or video are the sole proprietary property of UG Solutions.

01:25:42.080 How you own an idea or a thought, I don't know, but sure.

01:25:48.580 So I'd upload them and then wipe them, upload them and then wipe them.

01:25:52.560 So I didn't have them.

01:25:53.600 On the 11th of June, the Jerusalem Post, which I think is funny because they were also one of the ones that ran the Tony's a liar, which was, it's just absurd to think about it because they, that actual news outlet took one of my photos and used it on the front page of their magazine.

01:26:17.500 It's a, it's a, it's on there.

01:26:18.780 It's a picture of a boy holding a box of aid.

01:26:23.180 And in fact, John Ackrey, who was on the press release that GHF did today, asked me if he could use that photo as part of his personal collection because he thought it was so compelling and impactful to tell the story of what was going on in Gaza.

01:26:36.940 He called me on the phone.

01:26:38.080 I don't even know who he was.

01:26:38.900 And I said, yes, you can use it for your personal collection.

01:26:42.620 So all of my pictures went into this share drive.

01:26:48.320 That picture made it to the Jerusalem Post.

01:26:50.660 I got blamed.

01:26:52.080 Oh, you sent your picture out to the media.

01:26:53.340 I was like, I didn't send a picture out to the media.

01:26:54.680 I don't even have them.

01:26:56.940 So I email the chief operations officer like, Hey, John, can you clarify this?

01:27:00.820 Because kind of getting some heat.

01:27:03.100 And he does.

01:27:03.760 And he clarifies, Hey, that he says, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't you that did it.

01:27:08.620 It was, you know, we, I'll read it.

01:27:16.020 So I'm not a good employee.

01:27:17.220 Gentlemen, and this is to all the leadership of UG Solutions.

01:27:23.560 Tony, you've done a great job of taking photos and videos, which have been an asset.

01:27:27.700 We know you've kept those internal and point to point with me and me only.

01:27:32.960 The issue we had is that one of our Israeli political folks at the highest level,

01:27:38.640 who we believe had compartmentalized access to certain materials that we owned,

01:27:43.680 that we agreed to share.

01:27:45.060 Turns out he accessed the photos and now he has them all.

01:27:54.740 Well, we have told him to explicitly not share these.

01:27:58.360 He has shared these with the media and we have no control over the photos.

01:28:02.540 We have since shut down access to only UG personnel.

01:28:06.980 Apologies.

01:28:07.540 This costs any consternation.

01:28:09.280 We know you're fully aligned to policy.

01:28:10.880 Bottom line, we attempted to fulfill a request from our Israeli partners

01:28:15.460 and they took advantage of us upon themselves without coordination

01:28:22.740 to their government and higher headquarters.

01:28:26.020 And now all of the media, meaning pictures and photos, are out.

01:28:30.280 Funny, is that days later when I got back to the United States,

01:28:36.340 I got all of my videos and pictures back that I took from an Israeli citizen. 0.99

01:28:44.400 Like, these people are clowns. 0.97

01:28:47.520 So they've made a bunch of specific allegations against you at a press conference and media appearances. 0.97

01:28:55.200 It sounds like you can refute all or most of them with documentation, all of them.

01:29:00.960 Are you going to sue them for slander?

01:29:02.780 Because it sounds like slander.

01:29:03.820 Suing is so laborious.

01:29:11.080 You know, I just, I really want all of this.

01:29:14.940 I want the story to get out and I want our government to take action so I can enjoy the pre-fall fishing.

01:29:22.080 I'd like to get back to work at Lowe's.

01:29:24.940 You're going back to Lowe's Home and Garden.

01:29:26.440 Oh, yeah, I, like I said, it was, it's therapeutic to not have to worry about so many issues and just help people, you know.

01:29:35.620 Yes.

01:29:36.040 So, but again, you know, to all these letters, you know, UG Solutions and GHF may say, well, we still fired him.

01:29:46.060 Two things I'd like to ask GHF.

01:29:49.160 I would like the termination letter.

01:29:51.480 I would like their firing letter.

01:29:52.760 I want it.

01:29:53.660 I want to frame it.

01:29:54.540 I want you to put it in my office as a, as the worst employee of the month of the worst employer that I've ever worked for.

01:30:04.820 Give it to me.

01:30:05.600 Give me my termination letter if you fired me.

01:30:07.720 You notice when they put up this slew of documents that they never provided a termination letter.

01:30:12.380 Give it to me.

01:30:13.280 Show us.

01:30:14.520 I'd like to have it actually.

01:30:16.940 But this letter I think is really just tops the Sunday with a nice cherry.

01:30:22.120 This is from UG Solutions Corporate from the COO back in, so they had a CEO stateside and they had a COO forward, kind of like a home and away team.

01:30:32.600 I read this on breaking points, but I think it's appropriate for this.

01:30:36.000 Dear Tony, as your engagement with UG Solutions concludes, we extend our gratitude for your contributions to our mission in Israel and Gaza.

01:30:45.480 We appreciate your flexibility and adaptability throughout the deployment and your willingness to support the mission in a variety of ways.

01:30:53.880 While your current assignment ends, please let us know if you are interested in future opportunities to work with UG Solutions.

01:31:00.460 This is on the 24th of June.

01:31:05.180 I left the next day.

01:31:09.300 Does that sound like signed by the COO?

01:31:13.960 So what this whole smear campaign sounds like to me is I'm the only person in their entire construct of a company that, one, has the depth of knowledge that I have of what actually happened and what's going on.

01:31:29.660 One, but two, can corroborate as an eyewitness, as a human being, as a carbon-based life form, having been on the ground in Gaza, to corroborate all of the video.

01:31:39.360 The video of the guy shooting and then saying, yee-haw, hell yeah, think you got one?

01:31:43.720 That was in that drive that got released to the Israeli government.

01:31:48.100 It's out there.

01:31:49.360 There's no denying it.

01:31:50.100 I watched it.

01:31:59.660 Yeah, so what happened to the boy, Amir?

01:32:12.800 Yes, Amir.

01:32:14.320 Interesting.

01:32:14.960 Who was apparently murdered, and then your former employers trotted out a picture claiming he was still alive, but it was a different person.

01:32:25.800 Yeah.

01:32:26.280 Do we know anything about what happened to his body, whether his family knows where he was killed?

01:32:32.600 Yeah, so, you know, Johnny Moore, who claims to be this evangelical, last time I checked, you know, we should know every hair on one's head, God does.

01:32:39.840 In their smear package of information, they said, Mr. Aguilar claims that this young boy was killed on the site.

01:32:50.480 Well, here's a picture of him two days later.

01:32:54.440 The picture that they used of Amir two days later, and also the pictures of Amir, are pictures that I took.

01:33:02.680 They used photos that I took to discredit photos that I took.

01:33:07.760 Look, you can't even wrap your head around it.

01:33:11.900 So, the picture here that they said is Amir is on the 1st of June at site number 4, timestamped in my phone because I have the original.

01:33:23.540 Site number 4 and site number 2 are 26 kilometers away through a combat zone that no civilian can traverse between the two.

01:33:31.860 So, how did Amir get from site 2 on the 28th of May to site 4 on the 1st of June?

01:33:36.580 Well, he didn't.

01:33:38.420 One, because he's dead.

01:33:39.700 Two, because it would have been impossible unless somewhere in Gaza they now have the ability to, you know, Star Trek beam people to another location. 0.88

01:33:48.020 Would have been impossible.

01:33:49.400 Do we know anything about his family or how that was?

01:33:52.380 So, they questioned it, right?

01:33:53.500 So, an NGO reached out to me after the story broke and they said, do you happen to know what site and what day?

01:34:03.080 Well, I do.

01:34:04.180 I know exactly what site, exactly what day.

01:34:06.080 I even know exactly what time.

01:34:08.020 And I provided that information to them.

01:34:09.380 They immediately energized their NGO network within Gaza to begin looking, backtracking.

01:34:16.500 Nasser Hospital, backtracking, asking, taking the picture around, kind of like old, on the milk carton days.

01:34:23.960 Yes.

01:34:24.320 And they found his mother, his stepmother.

01:34:29.020 His mother and father had both been killed.

01:34:31.320 His father was killed in an Israeli airstrike.

01:34:33.420 His mother had been killed.

01:34:34.280 His stepmother has been looking for him since the 28th of May.

01:34:38.280 And that photo that I took of him is the last she'd seen him alive.

01:34:43.820 She now has this photo.

01:34:45.480 I've seen her.

01:34:46.100 I actually, yesterday, I had the, I had the real special opportunity.

01:34:55.140 I got to talk to her on the phone with a translator.

01:34:57.920 She and I Zoomed together.

01:34:59.180 And she asked me, what did he say?

01:35:02.960 What did he look like?

01:35:04.720 How was he?

01:35:05.440 And I just told her, I was like, he's a beautiful boy, happy, real strong spirit.

01:35:15.620 And she's like, do you, do you think I'll ever find him?

01:35:22.060 And this isn't just me saying this and it's non-verifiable.

01:35:24.880 I talked to her on a interview with an activist group where there were hundreds watching.

01:35:32.600 So everybody can verify this.

01:35:35.440 How hard it is to tell a mother that her son is dead.

01:35:41.900 He was killed in May and yesterday was August and she hasn't seen him.

01:35:47.000 Nothing.

01:35:48.300 She's been looking for him.

01:35:50.440 Now, Johnny Moore would say that's Hamas propaganda.

01:35:55.160 So, Tony Aguilar, who has no contacts really anywhere, who's back in the United States, managed to orchestrate this Hamas kabuki theater facade simply to discredit the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

01:36:12.880 How arrogant must you be?

01:36:16.820 This is a Christian? 0.98

01:36:17.720 This is a Christian evangelist?

01:36:20.040 This boy was killed.

01:36:22.740 And instead of accepting what we can do to change it, I have a great recommendation.

01:36:27.620 Let's not put humanitarian aid food distribution sites in the middle of combat zones.

01:36:34.120 That would be a great start to not killing innocent people to include.

01:36:42.020 I thought, you know, and again, confirmation.

01:36:45.500 She even said, Amir.

01:36:47.660 She's like, I've been looking for Amir.

01:36:49.300 I didn't make this up.

01:36:50.940 Touch this boy.

01:36:51.900 I looked him in the eyes.

01:36:53.160 And what?

01:36:53.920 I thought he was maybe six or seven.

01:36:56.800 He was 10.

01:36:57.660 That's how emaciated he is.

01:37:03.140 Don't put food distribution centers in the middle of combat zones.

01:37:07.220 So, my last question is, what other steps should the U.S. government take to make this better and to avoid what you have said a number of times is going to be an international cataclysm

01:37:22.280 when the world sees what's going on in Gaza that the U.S. is supporting and paying for?

01:37:27.080 What should the U.S. government do now?

01:37:30.820 Today, Mr. John Ackrey, who I think is the second in command of GHF, second in charge, whatever his title is.

01:37:40.340 He was introduced by Mr. Chapin Fay, who's their spokesperson, who, by the way, also has no experience in humanitarian assistance or the military.

01:37:47.500 So, for Mr. Chapin Fay to say that I don't know what I'm talking about in terms of lines of sight or fields of fire, give me a break.

01:37:54.760 What is, who, he's the spokesman?

01:37:57.160 Chapin Fay is the paid spokesman for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a spokesman they had to hire and pay once my story broke.

01:38:06.080 So.

01:38:06.700 Where's he from?

01:38:07.680 Do you know?

01:38:08.060 No idea.

01:38:08.900 I mean, his entire life and background has just been PR.

01:38:11.500 PR.

01:38:14.220 It's.

01:38:17.280 It's insulting.

01:38:19.120 But.

01:38:20.600 Mr. John Ackrey has said, we would like to propose a plan for the U.N. and for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation to work together.

01:38:27.960 No.

01:38:29.960 No.

01:38:31.680 The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation does not have the capacity.

01:38:35.260 It does not have the logistics.

01:38:37.560 It does not have the experience.

01:38:39.160 It does not have the personnel to do half, part, or any part of the humanitarian assistance operation.

01:38:46.280 What the United States should do is stop with this rhetoric that the United Nations is giving away all of its food to Hamas.

01:38:54.940 That has been disproven.

01:38:57.660 Disproven.

01:38:58.220 Re-engage the United Nations.

01:39:01.720 Take all that money that we're giving to line the pockets of profiteers who spend most of it on PR firms and spokespersons and lawyers, apparently.

01:39:09.980 And allow the United Nations to use it to not only expand their operations, but this would be a really good idea.

01:39:18.540 Instead of the IDF sitting and just videotaping and watching U.N. trucks getting ransacked, perhaps provide some security for them.

01:39:27.640 Just like, so I think it's ironic when Johnny Moore celebrates that not one of our trucks has been attacked.

01:39:35.600 Well, you have them driving on a road that's in an area where there are no Palestinians that live within tens of miles.

01:39:43.140 Armed to the teeth by IDF and armed Americans.

01:39:46.540 Of course, they're not getting ransacked.

01:39:49.620 It's almost like you're in the stands of the football field and you're saying, well, I didn't get tackled today.

01:39:56.660 You're not even on the field.

01:39:58.700 So, how about we provide some security assistance to the United Nations to go into these sites?

01:40:06.100 Not arming or armed security, just a security presence to assist them in delivery, to empower the United Nations that has doctors and nurses and humanitarian assistants and nutritionists and people that feed people and people that know what they're doing and people that know how many calories come in a meal and how many people, how many calories someone needs that can provide water.

01:40:31.360 That'd be a great start.

01:40:32.380 Water.

01:40:32.680 Water.

01:40:33.920 The United Nations mechanism should be put back in full force today.

01:40:38.980 The United States should stop.

01:40:41.160 Do not spend another dime on the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation because it is not achieving any modicum of a goal of feeding anyone.

01:40:52.420 It is not.

01:40:54.140 It's proven that it's a failure.

01:40:57.020 Why it's a failure?

01:40:58.320 We can dissect that in the annals of history.

01:41:00.300 I've got some ideas, but it's failed.

01:41:04.160 Have you had any contact with anyone from Gaza Humanitarian Foundation in the last couple weeks?

01:41:08.960 I have never had any contact from anyone within the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation at all, period, ever.

01:41:15.280 So the fact that they can so bodaciously say that I'm a liar and they've never even spoke to me, it's pretty bold.

01:41:22.800 I don't know.

01:41:25.240 Other than Mr. Johnny Moore and Mr. Chapin Fay, the spokesman, I have no idea what human beings are in the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

01:41:35.460 Much less who pays the bills.

01:41:39.340 Much less who pays the bills.

01:41:40.580 How much is everyone making, yeah.

01:41:41.500 Who's making what.

01:41:43.120 Love to see that.

01:41:45.780 Well, I think you've done a lot so far.

01:41:48.300 Colonel, thank you very much.

01:41:49.700 Thank you.

01:41:50.340 For spending all this time.

01:41:51.300 It's been really happy that I can come up here and be in the studio.

01:41:54.460 It's a great experience and thank you.

01:41:56.540 Thanks for watching.

The Tucker Carlson Show - August 06, 2025

Whistleblower Tony Aguilar Responds to Attacks After Exposing Israel’s War Crimes in Gaza

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