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00:01:00.160 Of all the great memes and clips on the internet,

00:01:04.180 Fat Kid Falls Off Bike being, of course, the top of the list,

00:01:09.120 really in the last 13 years, 13 years this week,

00:01:13.580 almost nothing created on this planet has surpassed in popularity or sheer hilarity

00:01:20.500 an interview that took place on Ugandan television in December of 2012 on a show called Morning Breeze,

00:01:26.360 the morning show of Kampala, Uganda, in which a trans activist, a woman who now identifies as a man,

00:01:34.840 came on and was asked a series of questions by the host.

00:01:37.880 And if you don't know what we're talking about,

00:01:40.820 here is a two-second clip that reveals the essence of the conversation.

00:01:45.220 Why are you gay?

00:01:46.920 Why are you gay?

00:01:49.800 Let's play that again.

00:01:51.240 Why are you gay?

00:01:52.000 It's still the funniest thing that's ever been on the internet.

00:01:58.380 But why is it funny?

00:02:00.160 And why does almost everyone find it funny?

00:02:04.840 Left, right, straight, gay?

00:02:09.220 Well, because it's kind of the key question.

00:02:12.340 And it's kind of the question that no one in the United States is allowed to ask.

00:02:15.940 Why are you gay?

00:02:17.220 And of course, it's being asked by an East African with kind of a quaint, semi-colonial accent.

00:02:24.300 And, you know, conservatives can laugh at it.

00:02:26.100 Liberals can laugh at it.

00:02:26.980 Really, this is the kind of the only way a white liberal in the United States could ever laugh at a black person.

00:02:31.800 If it's an African expressing non-PC views on homosexuality, why are you gay?

00:02:36.840 And of course, people in the West laugh because the guy's an idiot.

00:02:39.620 Why are you gay?

00:02:40.780 We all know why you're gay.

00:02:43.340 Why are you gay?

00:02:45.700 Actually, we're laughing in part because we're not allowed to ask that question.

00:02:48.820 It's settled, though no one's really explained what about it is settled.

00:02:52.800 If you were to ask the average American, why are people gay?

00:02:55.900 They would probably say, well, they're born that way.

00:02:57.760 And then if you followed up with, well, how exactly does that work?

00:03:00.300 They would have no idea.

00:03:01.240 I'm going to tell you to shut up.

00:03:02.860 Because again, like so many myths or things that we think we know, we don't really know.

00:03:08.840 We can't really explain it.

00:03:10.180 But we do know for dead certain we're not allowed to talk about it.

00:03:13.360 So when some African morning show host in Uganda, wherever the hell that is, asks it out loud, we can't help but laugh nervously.

00:03:22.500 Why are you gay?

00:03:23.440 If you watch the whole interview, and actually it's worth watching because it's really revealing both about Uganda and about the West.

00:03:32.420 The first thing you notice is how polite everybody is.

00:03:36.500 That tone, why are you gay, continued throughout the entire interview, which lasted over an hour, just watched it.

00:03:43.300 And the morning show host, whether you like him or dislike him, was just unfailingly polite to the guest, who was him or herself also unfailingly polite.

00:03:50.760 And they were just sort of talking past each other.

00:03:52.400 The trans activist couldn't really explain why he or she was gay or whether gay was different from trans or what was good about being gay.

00:04:00.260 That was another question the host asked.

00:04:02.120 Why would you want to be gay?

00:04:04.100 And the trans activist just didn't really have an answer.

00:04:07.280 What was amazing was the sweetness of it.

00:04:13.260 It was not a hate crime, not even approaching a hate crime.

00:04:16.360 No conversation like that could take place in the United States.

00:04:19.500 But the host was coming from a position of total certainty that this is just weird and wrong.

00:04:24.280 And that is the consensus in a lot of the world.

00:04:26.340 And it's certainly, famously, the consensus in Uganda.

00:04:30.180 And the consensus in the United States across both parties and pretty much the whole educated population is they're horrible because they think homosexuality is wrong.

00:04:40.840 And we know this because about 10 years later in Uganda, the legislature passed almost unanimously with only, I think, one dissenting vote, a law against something called aggravated homosexuality.

00:04:54.120 Aggravated homosexuality, as of 2023, is a death penalty offense in Uganda.

00:05:02.580 What?

00:05:03.580 Aggravated homosexuality?

00:05:05.280 A death penalty offense?

00:05:06.600 That's medieval.

00:05:08.140 But how is it defined in Uganda?

00:05:09.940 Well, if you read it, and you can because it's online, the Ugandan government defines aggregated homosexuality as gay rape of children,

00:05:21.260 gay rape of the elderly who can't consent, people over 75, gay rape of people who are mentally deficient, and the intentional transmission of deadly diseases to another person.

00:05:35.400 So it's rape and murder, effectively, are against the law, in fact, capital crimes in Uganda.

00:05:44.180 Hmm.

00:05:44.420 It's a little different than advertised, but you would never know it because the entire American political class erupted as one when this law passed in East Africa, thousands of miles away with a non-relevant trading partner with no real military.

00:06:04.020 In other words, there's no actual reason to care about what Uganda does.

00:06:06.840 But everyone here did care, bipartisanly.

00:06:09.620 And we're actually not going to expect you to take our word for it.

00:06:13.540 We're going to go right to the CIA for the answer, meaning Wikipedia.

00:06:17.900 This is the Wikipedia description of the response.

00:06:23.760 President Joe Biden weighed in.

00:06:25.140 This was two years ago.

00:06:26.220 This is 2023.

00:06:27.320 President Joe Biden condemned the law, calling it, quote, a tragic violation of universal human rights, and, quote, the latest development in an alarming trend of human rights abuses and corruption in Uganda.

00:06:39.620 Corruption.

00:06:40.640 So here, the Ugandans, the Ugandans, had the temerity to exercise a democratic process using a legislature elected by the people of Uganda to pass a law almost unanimously with one dissenting vote.

00:07:00.540 And that's corruption.

00:07:02.040 It's almost as corrupt as the anti-gay marriage initiative in California that voters passed, but judges wisely struck down in the name of democracy.

00:07:09.540 Okay, so that was Biden's response.

00:07:11.880 But it wasn't just Biden.

00:07:12.960 Here's Senator Ted Cruz, the self-described conservative from Texas.

00:07:17.620 Here's what he said.

00:07:18.420 He tweeted this.

00:07:19.140 He put this in writing, as he so often does.

00:07:21.580 And we're quoting, any law criminalizing homosexuality or imposing the death penalty for, quote, aggravated homosexuality is grotesque and an abomination.

00:07:33.640 All civilized nations should join together in condemning this human rights abuse.

00:07:39.620 So it's uncivilized to penalize gay rape or the intentional transmission of a deadly disease.

00:07:49.580 That's uncivilized.

00:07:51.000 Seems kind of civilized.

00:07:55.200 But at the time, nobody agreed.

00:07:56.520 This was grotesque, the kind of thing that only Africans would do.

00:07:59.620 It's one step up from cannibalism.

00:08:01.080 Can you believe it?

00:08:02.620 Penalizing gay rape?

00:08:04.760 And the intentional transmission of AIDS?

00:08:06.680 What do they think of next?

00:08:08.620 They'll throw you in a stew pot, savages.

00:08:10.780 You'll notice that Uncle Ted called it an abomination.

00:08:16.420 And the Anglican Communion agreed.

00:08:19.920 Here's Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the leader of the rapidly dying Anglican Communion, which would include the Episcopal Church of the United States, the Anglican State Church of England.

00:08:29.940 He wrote to the Archbishop of Uganda, Christian brother to Christian brother, to express his, quote, grief and dismay at the Church of Uganda's support for the Anti-Homosexuality Act.

00:08:43.820 The head of the Church of England was filled with grief at the thought that rape would be banned and the intentional transmission of AIDS, etc., etc.

00:08:54.500 But it didn't stop with expressions of grief and condemnation and tweets from Ted Cruz.

00:08:59.200 No, it got right to the hard stuff, to the things that matter, meaning money and foreign aid.

00:09:09.340 Here's the World Bank.

00:09:11.100 Immediately, the World Bank swings into action.

00:09:14.480 The World Bank announced it would halt lending to Uganda in response to the new law.

00:09:19.320 No more lending, no more money for you.

00:09:21.300 We're cutting you off.

00:09:22.160 The Financial Institution noted that the act, quote, fundamentally contradicts the World Bank group's values.

00:09:30.720 Ooh, what are the World Bank's values?

00:09:33.460 That'd be interesting to know.

00:09:34.960 You know, in a sane country, contradicting the World Bank's, quote, values would be a sign of virtue, probably.

00:09:45.120 Probably get a merit badge for that.

00:09:47.100 But the World Bank was outraged.

00:09:48.780 They know sin when they see it.

00:09:50.320 Banning gay rape.

00:09:51.600 We'll tolerate a lot, but not that.

00:09:53.260 And then finally, Joe Biden, in October of 2023, spun fully into a frenzy at this point, watching, taking the lead of the World Bank, announced that Uganda would be expelled from the group of sub-Saharan African countries that benefit from tax breaks under the U.S.-African Growth and Opportunity Act, AGOA, because of the country's, quote, gross violations of internationally recognized human rights, which violate the AGOA eligibility criteria.

00:10:20.380 So, that was 2023.

00:10:23.560 So, bottom line, no more money for you.

00:10:28.220 What happened next?

00:10:29.660 Well, Ugandan starved.

00:10:31.100 The next year, there was a famine.

00:10:32.880 I mean, not to laugh at famine, but it's almost unbelievable.

00:10:37.140 So, you ban gay rape of children and the elderly and the mentally disabled, and we're going to starve you out.

00:10:46.600 And boy, did they.

00:10:47.980 The United States shut it down.

00:10:50.740 International aid institutions followed suit.

00:10:53.840 And the next year, Uganda had a famine that is still ongoing.

00:10:57.900 50% of children in Uganda today suffer the symptoms of malnutrition, stunted growth, anemia.

00:11:04.900 50%.

00:11:05.480 Half of all Ugandan kids are starving.

00:11:08.220 And, of course, Uganda's never been a rich country.

00:11:12.080 It's had a lot of turmoil.

00:11:12.960 Idi Amin was from there.

00:11:14.580 Uganda has some problems, for sure.

00:11:16.360 But the year after the West collectively withdrew aid from Uganda, billions in aid, they have a famine, and it's all because they banned gay rape of children.

00:11:32.960 Okay, so I guess the point here is our values are pretty clear.

00:11:39.980 We're for this, and we're totally against questioning it.

00:11:45.320 And if you do, we will hurt you.

00:11:47.820 So what is that?

00:11:50.820 Why are you gay?

00:11:52.340 Maybe that's a question worth asking.

00:11:54.340 But, of course, nobody has.

00:11:58.080 And then you wake up one morning and you realize that supporting homosexuality, which is very different from, like, not hating gays.

00:12:07.200 No one should hate gays.

00:12:09.360 And most Americans don't hate gays.

00:12:11.200 In fact, most of us have to be met in America who did hate gays.

00:12:13.860 I don't know I ever have, at least in the past 30 years.

00:12:16.080 No one hates gays.

00:12:17.700 You know a million gays, and some of them are awesome people.

00:12:20.420 Work for you or your friends or whatever.

00:12:22.240 It's not about hating gays.

00:12:24.560 It's about being forced to say this is an affirmative good, and if you disagree with that, then you are affirmatively bad, and we're going to stoke a famine in your country to punish you.

00:12:36.580 That's literally where we are.

00:12:39.360 And some of us should have been paying closer attention as this movement, never formally declared, not the gay rights movement, but the terror against anyone who opposes gay rights, whatever those are,

00:12:51.320 or worshiping homosexuality, we should have paid closer attention.

00:12:57.260 I'm going to refer you to one of the great clips of the entire Biden administration.

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00:13:12.800 And those will, in a lot of ways, represent the administration.

00:13:14.580 But it's the moment of clarity, those occasional moments of clarity where Biden was really saying something on purpose because he meant it, and he wanted to tell you what was important.

00:13:23.320 Those are the clips that actually define the four disastrous years of Joe Biden.

00:13:28.320 And above all, I would argue, this clip tells you everything you need to know about the values of the U.S. government, of our popular culture, of the West collectively.

00:13:40.040 And once we understand the values, we can assess are those the right values, and can a civilization continue with those values?

00:13:46.140 But first, the clip.

00:13:47.180 Here's Joe Biden describing a trip to downtown Wilmington, Delaware with his dad in 1962.

00:13:53.000 I remember getting out of a car when I was trying to be dropped off at the local city hall to get a job to be the only white employee in the east side of town, in the neighborhood, in the projects, as a lifeguard.

00:14:08.540 My dad was dropping me off so I could go around the block and run and get the application.

00:14:13.620 And two well-dressed men kissed one another as I was opening the door.

00:14:17.900 And I hadn't seen that before.

00:14:19.040 And I turned around, and one walked off to the DuPont building, one walked off to what used to be called the Hercules Corporation.

00:14:26.400 And I looked at my dad, and he just looked at me and said, it's simple, honey.

00:14:29.500 They love each other.

00:14:30.880 It's just basic.

00:14:32.020 There's nothing complicated about it.

00:14:34.320 That's how I was raised, for real.

00:14:38.200 This is the greatest clip ever.

00:14:40.560 And there's just so much.

00:14:41.740 I mean, you could really spend all day getting Talmudic on it, just dissecting it and trying to figure out what it means.

00:14:47.660 I mean, there's so many parts to this.

00:14:49.500 First of all, Biden's dad called him honey?

00:14:52.360 That's weird.

00:14:53.880 What dad calls his boy honey?

00:14:56.020 Honey?

00:14:57.940 Strange.

00:14:58.760 And who knows what it means?

00:14:59.920 I'm not implying anything, but it's weird.

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00:18:12.400 But the main thing to notice is this is 1962, that this supposedly happened in downtown Wilmington, Delaware.

00:18:19.160 And in 1962, what was the state of America's views about homosexuality?

00:18:24.860 Not on individual gaze.

00:18:26.320 This has always been a very, very tolerant country for all minority groups, actually, by any global standard.

00:18:33.200 But the country's official views on, like, gay sex, for example.

00:18:38.380 Well, it was a felony in 49 states in the summer of 1962.

00:18:42.500 The only state in which it was legal, Illinois, had just legalized it several months before.

00:18:47.700 So, having gay sex in the United States when Biden claims this happened was a felony pretty much everywhere.

00:18:56.260 A felony?

00:18:57.580 Very few people ever went to jail for it because no one was really interested in enforcing it.

00:19:02.200 But the laws of the United States mirrored those of pretty much every country in the world from then going back maybe to Athens.

00:19:10.520 Like, people have always been against this.

00:19:12.460 It's always been officially discouraged by every single society.

00:19:15.720 The question is why.

00:19:16.780 That's worth a conversation at some point.

00:19:20.060 Probably not just random bigotry.

00:19:22.600 Every society that we know about ever has had an official policy against gay sex or forms of gay sex.

00:19:32.560 Why, again?

00:19:33.620 Can you explain it to me without getting hysterical?

00:19:35.380 Maybe there's a reason there.

00:19:36.780 Who knows?

00:19:37.420 But that was a state in the United States in the summer of 1962.

00:19:41.760 So, the idea that Joe Biden's drunk used car salesman dad turned to him, this brutish Irish guy who Biden has described many times, and says,

00:19:50.600 Honey, honey, it's just love.

00:19:54.100 It's okay.

00:19:54.900 It's just love.

00:19:55.460 Two guys making out outside the DuPont building in downtown Wilmington.

00:20:00.140 It's totally normal.

00:20:02.740 It's so transparently absurd.

00:20:05.500 It's such an obvious attempt to graft modern values onto an antique setting that it's so clearly fake that amazingly no one laughed.

00:20:19.060 But no one did laugh because no one was allowed to laugh.

00:20:21.240 But that's absurd.

00:20:22.280 Ask anyone who was alive in 1960.

00:20:23.820 You just use common sense.

00:20:24.580 That didn't happen.

00:20:25.180 But notice how Biden frames it.

00:20:26.500 He said he was getting dropped off to get a job as the only white man working in the hood, breaking the color barrier.

00:20:34.940 It wasn't just a summer job.

00:20:36.360 It was a victory for civil rights.

00:20:39.380 And he was the kind of guy who would do that because his family had a long commitment to civil rights as evidenced by his father's kind of casual acceptance of homosexuality.

00:20:49.460 It's just love.

00:20:50.160 It's just love.

00:20:51.580 Okay.

00:20:53.360 So, what do we learn from that?

00:20:54.540 Well, we learn that Biden's, of course, a fabulous.

00:20:55.920 We knew that.

00:20:57.720 But in this specific clip, he's lying for a reason to transmit to the nation its essential values.

00:21:04.520 And at the very top of that list is we are for homosexuality.

00:21:10.080 That's number one.

00:21:11.060 It's right up there with civil rights.

00:21:13.300 People get to vote.

00:21:14.380 People get to have gay sex.

00:21:15.800 That's America.

00:21:16.760 That's our culture.

00:21:18.740 Okay.

00:21:19.020 So, it probably shouldn't surprise you that the self-reported incidents of homosexuality and its many varieties in the United States rose dramatically during that period.

00:21:32.420 And here are roughly the numbers.

00:21:33.880 So, about a little over 10 years ago, 2012, among young people in the United States, about 6% said, yeah, I'm not heterosexual.

00:21:41.840 So, that would be in the range that, you know, we've been told for many years was natural, right?

00:21:46.880 Maybe 10%, a little under 10% if people say they're not heterosexual and whatever, you know, gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual, whatever, but they're not one man, one woman, monogamy people at all.

00:21:58.600 So, that was the number a little over 10 years ago.

00:22:02.880 Last year, the number among young people was over 20%.

00:22:05.900 So, a little more than a decade, you have a threefold increase, 300% increase in self-identified non-heterosexual orientation in a little over 10 years.

00:22:20.520 What are we looking at?

00:22:22.940 Well, we're looking at demographic collapse, among other things, right?

00:22:27.880 Right, but what is the phenomenon actually?

00:22:32.960 Where does this come from?

00:22:34.580 Or to put it in Ugandan terms, why are you gay?

00:22:39.240 Well, let's see.

00:22:41.460 We have been told for the course of my life that you're born gay.

00:22:45.980 It's like handedness or eye color or height.

00:22:48.400 It's just something that you're born with.

00:22:50.760 God created you that way.

00:22:52.780 You are unique.

00:22:54.080 Your iris, your fingerprints, your sexuality, they're all unique to you.

00:22:58.300 And that's something not to be embarrassed of, unless you're a white man, in which case, of course, slink away in shame.

00:23:04.720 Be denied admission to college or a job.

00:23:07.460 But for everyone else, your immutable characteristics are something that you celebrate, that you should be proud of.

00:23:12.660 They're not something that you chose.

00:23:14.360 They're not something you can change.

00:23:15.420 And this is the story that all of us have been told, and most of us, me included, sort of, kind of believe that.

00:23:23.920 Okay.

00:23:24.580 And if that's true, of course, you could never, ever show bias against someone on the basis of his immutable characteristics, because that's wrong.

00:23:32.280 It's also unchristian.

00:23:33.580 And that is true.

00:23:34.180 It is unchristian.

00:23:35.200 To attack someone on the basis of something with which he was born, of course.

00:23:38.560 Really, no one has put this in clearer terms than the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, the former transportation secretary, and as of today, the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination in 2028, Mr. Pete Buttigieg.

00:23:56.060 Here he is.

00:23:56.980 I can tell you that if me being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far, far above my pay grade.

00:24:08.560 And that's the thing I wish the Mike Pence's of the world would understand, that if you've got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me.

00:24:17.920 Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator.

00:24:20.920 Take it up with God.

00:24:22.680 He made me this way.

00:24:24.000 Notice the self-seriousness, the sort of JFK-esque gaze into the distance.

00:24:29.620 Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator.

00:24:34.020 A little drama queen.

00:24:35.720 Yeah, maybe.

00:24:36.380 Okay.

00:24:36.700 But that doesn't really answer the question, why was Pete Buttigieg dating chicks for the first part of his adult life?

00:24:46.140 By his own admission, he was dating women, like a bunch of women.

00:24:49.560 He was openly heterosexual, including in the U.S. military, after the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

00:24:56.940 So it was totally legal to be gay in the military, but Pete was still heterosexual.

00:25:00.320 So the answer, I think most people come to, is, well, he was just ashamed of being gay.

00:25:08.200 Like he couldn't be his true self.

00:25:09.680 He couldn't kind of let it out.

00:25:11.560 Maybe that's true.

00:25:12.560 Though those of us who were living in the United States 10 years ago, remember that there was no sanction against being gay.

00:25:19.220 Tons of gay, televisions filled with gay people.

00:25:21.700 Those of us who worked in television around gay people, great gay people, actually, just being clear.

00:25:26.060 Really nice, good people all day long.

00:25:28.840 Wasn't there anything weird about being gay 10 years ago?

00:25:31.180 15 years ago when Pete Buttigieg was like, I couldn't come to terms with my own sexuality.

00:25:35.940 Because his parents are so repressive.

00:25:37.260 No, they were actually lifestyle liberals.

00:25:39.100 They're big left-wingers, his parents.

00:25:40.460 So probably unlikely that his parents were like, don't be gay, son.

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00:28:23.660 So it's a completely fair question.

00:28:25.880 You were dating chicks not that long ago, a bunch of them, and all of a sudden you're getting all self-serious about how God made you this way.

00:28:33.920 Explain how that works.

00:28:36.200 It's a totally fair question, especially since Pete Buttigieg's whole identity is wrapped up in being gay.

00:28:45.360 His whole identity.

00:28:46.520 It's not like Pete Buttigieg is running for president because he's had such an incredible career as a public servant.

00:28:52.380 He fixed South Bend, Indiana.

00:28:54.080 He's just a really good mayor.

00:28:55.080 Nobody thinks that.

00:28:56.580 Ask anybody in South Bend.

00:28:59.020 He was just a really good driver in the U.S. military who's an awesome transportation secretary.

00:29:05.800 He was a joke as a transportation secretary.

00:29:08.620 Did air travel get better under Pete Buttigieg?

00:29:10.580 Did the roads get fixed?

00:29:13.760 Did anything improve in American transportation during Pete Buttigieg's tenure as transportation secretary?

00:29:19.000 No.

00:29:20.580 He wasn't just lame.

00:29:22.420 He was awful.

00:29:23.580 And in case you don't remember, here's his signature achievement as secretary of transportation identifying racist roads.

00:29:29.580 And the interstate system, the interstate system was built to keep certain groups in and certain groups out.

00:29:34.720 So it was built on a racist system, correct?

00:29:36.420 Yeah, often this wasn't just an act of neglect.

00:29:40.020 Often this was a conscious choice.

00:29:42.120 There was racism physically built into some of our highways.

00:29:45.420 There was racism built in to the highways.

00:29:48.200 There was rebar and a concrete substrate and, of course, gravel and then asphalt poured over the top.

00:29:53.840 But mixed in there, probably in a drum at some point, was actual white racism.

00:29:59.020 It was mixed into the roads.

00:30:00.520 And that's why Pete Buttigieg had to tear them up.

00:30:03.300 That's a real clip.

00:30:04.400 That's not AI, as you may remember.

00:30:07.640 That's insane.

00:30:08.600 That was his tenure as secretary of transportation, not being mean to him.

00:30:15.880 And it's like not even worth dredging that up again, except to make the point that being gay isn't just this thing about Pete Buttigieg.

00:30:26.200 It's the whole point of Pete Buttigieg.

00:30:31.020 It is the reason that he has the plurality of support from Democratic primary voters who are not black.

00:30:41.000 His support among black voters?

00:30:43.700 They're more in the, why are you gay camp?

00:30:46.700 They're not impressed at all.

00:30:48.080 In fact, I'm trying to do the math here.

00:30:49.680 I think his support, Pete Buttigieg's current support among African-American Democratic primary voters is, let's see, around zero.

00:30:58.420 So zero percent in that range, meaning nobody, like no black people.

00:31:02.300 They're not going for it.

00:31:03.760 Why are you gay?

00:31:04.700 You can almost hear them saying that.

00:31:07.180 But among white liberals, Pete Buttigieg's gayness, the fact he's married to a dude called Chasen and has somehow acquired babies, somehow.

00:31:19.680 How do you get babies?

00:31:21.780 Just sort of buy them somewhere, whatever.

00:31:24.420 He has these babies.

00:31:26.880 And he is the model of whatever, a modern gay man.

00:31:33.180 That's the whole point.

00:31:35.780 He is a civil rights hero because of who he sleeps with.

00:31:42.560 Pretty amazing.

00:31:44.220 So two obvious points to make about that.

00:31:46.940 First, do you remember when they used to tell us, we don't care what happens in your bedroom?

00:31:51.760 Do you remember that?

00:31:52.760 We want to keep politics out of the bedroom.

00:31:54.940 We want to keep politicians out of your bedroom.

00:31:56.880 This was a way to justify the Holocaust of abortion, of course.

00:32:00.400 But the line sounded kind of appealing.

00:32:02.640 Yeah, politicians probably stay out of my bedroom.

00:32:04.320 That seems fair.

00:32:05.520 Now your bedroom is the whole point.

00:32:07.460 You've got politicians running on what they do in their bedroom and on the Democratic side succeeding.

00:32:16.140 So that leads very obviously to the second point, which is there are a lot of rewards in store for someone in the Democratic Party, an ambitious politician, someone who really only cares about the goal, which in Pete Buttigieg's case has always been becoming president.

00:32:30.900 Is it bad to come out of the closet and announce that you're gay?

00:32:36.700 No, no, no.

00:32:38.400 That's like the only way you're going to get to the White House.

00:32:41.220 That's the only way.

00:32:42.140 That's your ticket being, quote, gay.

00:32:45.420 Huh.

00:32:45.900 So given that that's obviously true, and given that this guy dated girls as an adult, it's totally fair to ask the question, why are you gay?

00:33:00.220 Like, what is this?

00:33:02.700 Starting to think that maybe it's not genetic or entirely genetic.

00:33:07.100 And if it is, show me the gene.

00:33:09.000 We've decoded the human genome.

00:33:11.460 We can tell you where the gene for eye color comes from.

00:33:14.900 Where's the gay gene?

00:33:16.240 Maybe there is a gay gene, by the way.

00:33:18.300 Lots of things we haven't decoded yet.

00:33:20.520 Maybe it's there.

00:33:22.800 Are you looking for it?

00:33:24.160 Are you trying to answer this question?

00:33:27.240 No.

00:33:28.480 The whole game is to make you be quiet, ashamed, because there's something to do with sex.

00:33:33.200 And what are you, a creep, focused on sex?

00:33:34.920 You're obsessed with gay sex.

00:33:37.120 Sort of a variety.

00:33:37.920 You're obsessed with Israel.

00:33:40.080 Actually not.

00:33:41.700 But you're way up in my face about it.

00:33:44.900 And so I think it's fair to ask you a couple of very simple, straightforward questions, foundational questions like, what is this?

00:33:51.740 Where does it come from?

00:33:52.720 Why is it good?

00:33:54.220 Why is being gay better than not being gay?

00:33:56.260 And if it's not 100% genetic, clearly isn't.

00:34:02.320 If you've had a 300% increase in 10 years, probably not genetic.

00:34:06.660 Unless our genetics are changing at lightning speed.

00:34:10.380 Unless evolution is a much faster process than Darwin ever reckoned.

00:34:14.100 And if it's not entirely genetic, then what are the other factors?

00:34:19.280 And since apart from moral concerns or the concerns of human happiness, does this actually make you happy?

00:34:26.000 And what does it mean to live as a gay person in the United States?

00:34:29.400 What exactly does that look like?

00:34:31.780 Like, what's your life like?

00:34:33.860 How many people do you have sex with?

00:34:35.920 How are those unfair questions?

00:34:36.980 Since you're the one throwing it in my face and telling me I'm not allowed to be against it, maybe I'm allowed to ask the questions I don't really want to ask, don't really want to know the answers to.

00:34:46.440 But since you've made it the North Star of our moral system in the United States, since you're willing to starve an African country because they disagree with it, maybe it's time for me to ask those questions because you push me to.

00:34:57.960 On this and a lot of other issues, if you just back off a little bit, if we could just return to the status quo of, say, 1985, where, yeah, they're gay people, they're great, they're off, you know, whatever, they're here, they're there, whatever, but they're not pushing gay sex on my kids in school.

00:35:17.240 That's clearly not a good idea.

00:35:18.720 Tell me why it is a good idea.

00:35:20.900 And of course, it's a crime to intentionally infect someone with an infectious disease.

00:35:24.700 And of course, it's in fact, the hallmark of civilization to make rape illegal, gay or straight.

00:35:33.840 What?

00:35:35.320 But since you blew up all those previous assumptions and now made them illegal, Uganda, you know, made this crime punishable by death.

00:35:45.000 You made their law punishable by famine.

00:35:48.360 So who's more serious about it?

00:35:49.760 You are.

00:35:50.280 Since you did all of that, how about we just slowly, in a non-hysterical, obviously non-hateful way, ask, what are we looking at?

00:36:01.700 White are you gay?

00:36:03.200 Why is that a good thing?

00:36:04.320 What is it exactly?

00:36:06.700 And there are a lot of people we could ask about this, but we thought, believe it or not, the most articulate person we know to answer these questions is Milo Yiannopoulos,

00:36:15.680 who was very famous 10 years ago as a, what was he called, conservative provocateur, running around the country making the case against liberals as an open, in fact, flamboyant gay man.

00:36:26.820 And that was part of the shtick, right?

00:36:28.940 It's like, we've got a gay guy too.

00:36:30.280 What are you going to say now?

00:36:32.860 You know, we've got black conservatives too.

00:36:34.440 You can't call us racist.

00:36:35.800 We've got a gay conservative.

00:36:37.020 You can't call us homophobes.

00:36:38.380 And so Milo was unleashed on the world.

00:36:41.800 And then in literally one day, he was canceled, really destroyed as a person in a sort of non-scandal that, like so many of that period and of this period, sort of took him right off the stage and never heard from him again.

00:36:56.840 But during the period when he was flitting around America on his dangerous faggot tour, spreading whatever it was, libertarian economics or something to the kids, it became obvious that this guy was actually really smart.

00:37:10.060 You know, even for those of us who were never that interested in the dangerous faggot part of it, if you listen, you thought, well, this guy's not dumb at all.

00:37:17.840 He's actually very thoughtful.

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00:37:23.660 So over the last couple of years, during text conversations, I became aware that Milo had decided that he didn't want to be gay anymore.

00:37:34.340 I thought, that's kind of interesting.

00:37:35.300 I didn't know you could decide you didn't want to be gay.

00:37:37.400 And then you read about it, and it turns out there's a whole industry movement and laws designed to prevent you from deciding not to be gay.

00:37:45.440 Huh?

00:37:46.860 The parts of the United States have banned conversion therapies.

00:37:49.120 You're not allowed to talk to a psychiatrist about not having same-sex attraction.

00:37:54.280 Wow.

00:37:55.040 What is that?

00:37:56.780 Like, once you're in, you can't get out?

00:37:58.160 It's like mandatory gayness?

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00:41:26.640 I want to begin with...

00:41:27.540 You're the only person that will have me on.

00:41:28.380 I'm joking.

00:41:28.780 I'm joking.

00:41:29.580 No, I'm actually really interested.

00:41:31.500 I'm interested in this topic.

00:41:33.400 I've never been interested in it, but I want to begin by asking you...

00:41:36.440 It's icky, isn't it?

00:41:36.800 It's icky.

00:41:37.780 Well, sort of impersonal, but, you know, it's occurred to me,

00:41:40.800 particularly when I have interviewed Republican politicians, particularly neocons over the years,

00:41:45.180 I've always...

00:41:45.680 Sexuality comes to mind.

00:41:46.840 I've always wanted to say, in a Ugandan accent,

00:41:49.580 Are you gay?

00:41:50.600 Why are you gay?

00:41:51.340 So let me ask, are you gay?

00:41:53.920 Were you gay?

00:41:54.900 Like, what is gay?

00:41:56.140 Nobody's gay.

00:41:57.240 Nobody's gay.

00:41:58.320 After that clip, which is the best thing on the internet,

00:42:00.500 he changes the question, the interrogative to a declarative.

00:42:04.700 He says, why are you gay?

00:42:06.680 And she starts, you know, it starts talking.

00:42:08.620 He says, you are gay.

00:42:10.860 It becomes a statement.

00:42:13.000 And this is where he goes, this is where he loses me because nobody is gay.

00:42:22.040 We've been encouraged to think of this.

00:42:24.580 It's an icky subject.

00:42:25.380 Like, straight men don't want to think about that.

00:42:26.440 No, no, it's okay.

00:42:27.340 I mean, it's reached the...

00:42:28.460 But you invited me.

00:42:29.260 Well, I invited you because I have not, you know, not wanted to be engaged with the topic at all.

00:42:36.400 I don't have strong, super strong personal feelings about it.

00:42:39.920 But all of a sudden, it has become like a defining fact of the West that we have a huge gay population.

00:42:47.320 Like, what does that mean?

00:42:48.080 Exporting sodomy.

00:42:48.520 But no one wants to talk about it.

00:42:49.480 Giving aid with, you know, with strings attached.

00:42:53.580 So I've told you, what metaphor am I reaching for with strings attached?

00:42:57.780 Yes, you can, but only if you have a gay pride festival.

00:43:00.520 Right.

00:43:01.580 What is that?

00:43:03.260 Exactly.

00:43:03.880 What is that?

00:43:04.440 Yes, it has been.

00:43:05.020 And all of these things, and with the collapse in people identifying as trans,

00:43:11.380 you're beginning to now see what some of us have always known about homosexuality,

00:43:14.840 which is that this is a product.

00:43:18.920 I mean, there are some people, obviously, who were probably always going to be gay.

00:43:22.260 Tammy Bruce.

00:43:23.820 But, you know, like maybe she might be the only real lesbian.

00:43:26.640 She might be the only real lesbian.

00:43:27.760 I believe when Tammy Bruce tells me that she was only ever into women, I believe her.

00:43:32.280 You know, and I like her, by the way.

00:43:33.900 I think she's great.

00:43:34.700 But she's like the only real lesbian.

00:43:37.940 With gay men, which is completely different, we see the numbers go up, the numbers go down.

00:43:42.860 This is not, without some change in environmental factors,

00:43:46.880 this doesn't make sense if we believe the old lie born this way.

00:43:50.240 If we believe what was in fact invented in the 1980s as a public relations strategy born this way.

00:43:56.580 So what happened back in the days?

00:44:00.420 Gays were in the 80s and with AIDS and all the rest of it,

00:44:02.680 wanting to be out and proud and to wear their sins on their sleeves.

00:44:08.420 And somebody came up with this idea, which caught on and worked.

00:44:15.760 It was twofold.

00:44:17.160 One is, well, what if we say that being gay is like being black or being a woman?

00:44:22.180 Yes.

00:44:23.020 Then they're a bigot.

00:44:24.500 We're not weird.

00:44:25.520 And so it takes the religious, the moral majority's sinful lifestyle choice argument.

00:44:32.040 And it screws them because now they're saying like, you're wrong to be a girl or you're wrong to be black.

00:44:38.100 It was invented.

00:44:38.880 It was invented wholesale by the activists in the 1980s.

00:44:42.200 And the second part of it was, and this is in a book called After the Ball,

00:44:46.000 which is kind of defined how gay activists were going to,

00:44:49.340 well, it really, it was very influential because it was really the book that told gay activists

00:44:56.380 how to get this revolting sin that most people don't even want to think about

00:45:00.920 up front and center, family friendly, and ultimately to the state where we let them adopt children,

00:45:08.740 which is a whole thing we'll get into.

00:45:10.780 And that was, don't talk about bodily functions.

00:45:13.700 Don't talk about effluvia.

00:45:15.640 Just talk about love.

00:45:17.800 Just talk about love.

00:45:18.780 Talk about it in terms of love, like love is love, love wins.

00:45:22.100 And we see this to the present day.

00:45:23.880 Never talk about, you know, the stains on the sheets, the promiscuity, the drugs,

00:45:28.020 the glory holes in Berlin nightclubs.

00:45:30.920 Never talk about any of those things because those things will repel women.

00:45:34.860 And you need moms with gay sons to affirm their homosexuality.

00:45:40.580 And so what is that homosexuality?

00:45:42.400 Long answer for a short question, I understand.

00:45:43.880 In almost every case, and certainly in every male case, it is a trauma response.

00:45:51.680 It is not a sexuality.

00:45:53.060 It is not part of what you are or who you are or a component of your personality or a function.

00:45:58.600 It is a set of behaviors that emerges in people with a number of very easily identifiable common etiologies.

00:46:11.840 One of them is, well, so for instance, among gay, excuse me, among black and Jewish Americans,

00:46:19.320 they report statistically significantly higher rates of homosexuality.

00:46:23.840 Well, why could that be overbearing moms and absent dads?

00:46:27.120 Or in the Jewish case, nebbish fathers.

00:46:29.640 And, you know, you know, like Jewish, my Jewish friends, I always call their marriages are like lion taming, you know,

00:46:37.000 where you have a sort of nebbish, scholarly, bookish dad and a larger than life mom who, you know,

00:46:41.980 one day decides she's going to be a rabbi, you know, that or in the black community, of course, just the fatherlessness.

00:46:49.720 And it's why, why if they're born this way, if you don't have some other better explanation,

00:46:54.080 could it be the case that there are more gays among black and Jewish populations where something's going on here?

00:46:59.960 Why are we getting more trans and more gays and then less gays?

00:47:04.060 Why? Because this is, in fact, a symptom.

00:47:06.880 In fact, this is a product of something.

00:47:09.500 It's the result of something.

00:47:10.640 Well, this was Freud's position, which was kind of conventional wisdom for the better part of 100 years,

00:47:18.340 that this was a response to the environment and particularly to the relationship with the mother that a young boy has

00:47:26.280 and a relationship with his father.

00:47:27.520 I mean, this was like people just assumed that was true when I was a kid.

00:47:32.700 They were not gay haters or homophobes.

00:47:34.880 That was a state of knowledge on the subject.

00:47:37.080 One of the only things Freud got right was that.

00:47:40.620 And it's funny that, you know, the way that that's actually in line with Catholic church teaching

00:47:44.680 and now has become, now you see the terminology in the medical industry has begun to change as well

00:47:51.700 because, you know, now gay people are sort of saturated everywhere.

00:47:56.160 Yeah. You know, like when you get a, it's kind of like America, you get a whole country full of people

00:47:59.880 who are very similar but all think they're really, really individual.

00:48:04.920 That's deep.

00:48:05.580 P.S.

00:48:06.320 Yes, I do know what that looks like.

00:48:08.020 And, you know, sort of America is a very faggotized country in all kinds of ways.

00:48:11.940 That's the technical term.

00:48:12.700 If you want to know the truth about homosexuality, you've got to go to black YouTube and listen to the girls.

00:48:21.060 How do you get to black YouTube, by the way?

00:48:24.200 Well, you know, it's a sort of tumbling.

00:48:26.220 It's a tumbling kind of thing.

00:48:27.740 You find one good video by somebody who's like,

00:48:30.220 Steph Curry, you faggotized.

00:48:32.400 I just, sorry.

00:48:35.100 And then, you know, you'll tumble through the algorithm.

00:48:40.240 I'll send you some links.

00:48:40.940 I'll post some links on my Twitter.

00:48:42.100 I don't know if I dare, but you're saying that's the more honest YouTube.

00:48:45.420 It's the only honest YouTube.

00:48:46.640 It's the only honest anything because you go past the churches and you'll see, you know,

00:48:52.220 the white homo demon stealing your man.

00:48:54.260 And it's not the pastor who comes up with this stuff.

00:48:58.640 It's his wife.

00:48:59.820 It's his wife who's got this, you know, who was trying to set her girlfriend up with somebody.

00:49:04.700 And that was all great.

00:49:06.140 But he went off with a dude, which is, you know, like even, which is sort of equidistant for them

00:49:15.240 from going off with a white girl or whatever.

00:49:17.080 But no, the only honest place where, you know, people will just be like,

00:49:21.180 did it, faggotize, you know, and then they'll go, and then.

00:49:27.700 Amazing.

00:49:28.360 LeBron, faggotize.

00:49:29.980 And they'll go through it all.

00:49:31.280 I mean, for me, the neplus ultra of this genre would be Blac Chyna's mum.

00:49:38.200 Do you know who that is?

00:49:38.980 No.

00:49:39.380 Of course you don't.

00:49:40.140 You remind me of a line from Blackadder sometimes, you know,

00:49:43.080 because you have this sort of like lovely kind of like ingénie kind of thing that you do.

00:49:47.460 And it's like, well, no, I've just, I don't know anything.

00:49:49.880 But do you remember that line from Blackadder, like slumbering octogenarians who claim never

00:49:53.420 to have heard of the Beatles?

00:49:54.920 No, but I get it.

00:49:56.540 He's talking about high court judges.

00:49:57.860 I've never actually heard of Blackadder before.

00:49:59.980 So I.

00:50:00.920 You're kidding.

00:50:01.980 I'm actually not.

00:50:03.320 What?

00:50:04.220 I don't even know what you're talking about.

00:50:07.300 But that's okay.

00:50:07.920 It's not about me.

00:50:08.620 I'm just trying to tell Stephen Fry and Rowan Atkinson got famous.

00:50:12.500 How do you know about Blackadder?

00:50:13.640 I don't know.

00:50:14.260 There are huge gaps.

00:50:15.340 I'm not, I'm not a knowledgeable man.

00:50:17.000 Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans.

00:50:18.380 Well, you say this.

00:50:19.020 Yes.

00:50:19.580 But anyway, so, so, so Tokyo Tony is her name and she's, anyway, you can Google Tokyo

00:50:26.260 Tony.

00:50:26.580 That's your into Black everything.

00:50:28.620 Anyway, she's great.

00:50:29.620 There's a whole, I mean, I mean, YouTube now, the only interesting bits of YouTube that

00:50:32.160 still get views are like these Black shows.

00:50:34.040 They're like, oh, these massively overproduced shows with these incredibly elaborate sets

00:50:38.200 and they've got like, you know, 43 people live watching.

00:50:40.240 But the archives and the clips like go crazy.

00:50:43.000 Anyway.

00:50:46.080 Man, I've got a series of delights ahead of me.

00:50:49.280 Well, you don't have many Black people on the show.

00:50:50.940 So you've got me instead.

00:50:51.900 So you, I'll be, I'll be your, I'll be your African-American contingent.

00:50:57.080 I'll introduce you to these things.

00:50:58.860 So, no, I, I'm kidding.

00:51:00.640 So, so, so this is, you're describing a world into which a lot of conventional propaganda

00:51:06.020 has not yet filtered.

00:51:07.240 Well, it's interesting.

00:51:07.660 Or they're resistant to it or something.

00:51:08.680 It's interesting because why are you gay?

00:51:10.880 Are you gay?

00:51:11.800 The, the, the origin of, of, of, of the, of the born this way I've just, I've just described

00:51:19.560 or just explained.

00:51:20.700 The, the reality is that these communities who experienced this problem a lot, right?

00:51:27.420 The Black community, particularly because of fatherlessness, a lot of gay Black kids.

00:51:31.020 There's just a lot of them have this very blunt and truthful.

00:51:35.680 I mean, I mean, I mean, look, looking at me now, it's impossible to imagine that I used

00:51:41.680 to be a homosexual, but it hadn't entered my mind.

00:51:45.520 No, but, but, but, but I knew you during your flaming stage.

00:51:48.540 So I had heard, but, but, but there are so many like flaming young Black men in America

00:51:57.600 today, especially.

00:51:59.240 And there's a problem this community is dealing with and they don't, you know, Black America

00:52:03.040 is like commendably impervious to a lot of the, of the woke PC language and stuff, you

00:52:08.720 know, like very creditably skeptical of vaccines.

00:52:11.880 Yes.

00:52:12.120 They won't go along with a lot of this stuff like, you know, the proposition, whatever

00:52:15.500 in California, gay marriage.

00:52:16.900 Why?

00:52:17.380 It's Black women who are like holding on the floor.

00:52:19.600 So I love Candace Owens so much.

00:52:20.700 You know, like the ungovernability of Black women is the only thing that might possibly

00:52:23.420 save America.

00:52:24.340 You know, as embodied in our friend Candace, who is just like, you know, she's ungovernable

00:52:29.000 in the best possible way.

00:52:29.820 She's not going along with it.

00:52:30.900 She isn't, to put it mildly.

00:52:33.440 Yeah, fair, fair.

00:52:34.280 She is not going along with it.

00:52:35.820 And Candace is a very beautiful, polished, you know, intelligent and sort of microcosm

00:52:44.400 of a trend that you see everywhere in Black America now, which is like, ain't doing that,

00:52:49.840 ain't doing that, definitely ain't doing that.

00:52:52.400 Wow.

00:52:52.800 And it's very interesting.

00:52:54.340 So they will be very resistant to this stuff.

00:52:58.840 They kind of intuit what white people, I think, have forgotten because, you know, we're just

00:53:02.720 all sort of weak and demoralized and like kind of overburdened with this nonsense.

00:53:08.080 The truth is that homosexuality and in particular conversion therapy is the first thing upon which

00:53:16.840 the liberals tried, what they later did to Trump, which is just this wall of fake news,

00:53:23.800 misinformation, propaganda.

00:53:25.540 It's the first time.

00:53:27.040 I mean, there's other examples around wars and things like that.

00:53:29.580 But when it comes to social issues, it's the first time I think the press just says,

00:53:34.060 oh, hell no.

00:53:35.120 Except they didn't do that because they're white.

00:53:36.580 But, you know, sometimes I lose the characters, get confused.

00:53:39.560 The first time that the media decides this is a social issue, we care about enough because

00:53:50.860 we don't lose our gay friends, that we're going to just lie and demonize and give the

00:53:57.520 full fake news treatment that we later saw in its most sophisticated form leveraged, praise

00:54:03.540 God unsuccessfully, against Trump again and again and again, right?

00:54:06.420 So they start off with this, you know, you were born this way, honey, you are born this

00:54:12.340 way, honey, you are beautiful, whatever you are.

00:54:14.020 No, you're like that because you got raped by a priest or you're like that because your

00:54:17.800 mom was overbearing and your dad wasn't around or you're like that because you failed to form

00:54:22.440 a platonic stable attachments to other men as a child.

00:54:28.560 For some reason, maybe you didn't have a good male role model or whatever, but there is a

00:54:31.840 relatively small number of identifiable and repeated etiologies that mark somebody out

00:54:37.220 as being, you know, vulnerable to this.

00:54:40.880 And you look into the histories of gay people, they'll all deny it.

00:54:42.980 They'll say, no, that's just me.

00:54:44.720 But it's not.

00:54:45.720 And they know, they know because I knew and they know.

00:54:48.720 And I talked to them privately when there's no cameras that I could squeeze it out of them.

00:54:51.720 Eventually that you get there.

00:54:52.740 Yes, there's something about their sexual activity they know isn't right.

00:54:57.400 And it's not just in the technical sense that the sex is sterile and therefore can never

00:55:02.980 be part of the holy sacrament of marriage because it can't be co-procreation with God,

00:55:08.380 right?

00:55:08.700 Yes.

00:55:09.000 Co-procreation with God, meaning, you know, you make a physical body with your wife, but

00:55:14.580 then God puts a soul in.

00:55:16.140 Right.

00:55:16.460 And that's why it's the most precious sacrament because, you know, you do the others, you

00:55:20.320 do your confirmation and the rest of it, but it's leading up to you getting to make something

00:55:23.840 with God, right?

00:55:25.680 Which is the real reason that Lucifer is so mad and because the angels can't do that,

00:55:29.840 right?

00:55:30.420 The angels don't get to participate in creation with our Lord, but every single human being

00:55:35.820 does, you know?

00:55:37.800 And you feel that too when you have kids, even if you don't know what it is, you feel

00:55:41.640 there's something supernatural going on here.

00:55:43.720 This is going to sound completely pathetic, but I have some kind of pathetic simulacrum of

00:55:50.240 it.

00:55:50.400 Now I've become a cat dad, just in the terms of like caring for something helpless.

00:55:55.020 Yes.

00:55:55.720 And it's bringing out of me something that I know is going to lead to fatherhood because

00:56:00.760 I'm responsible for this being that loves and laughs and they do, you know, and, you

00:56:07.900 know, and requires regular, not just maintenance, but affection and to be tended to and love.

00:56:12.920 Like I love dogs.

00:56:13.980 I'm like, I used to be more of a dog guy, but I live in a, I live in a house on the National

00:56:19.260 Register of Historic Places, so I can't have dogs.

00:56:22.000 And I, so I just, I got a cat one day, you know, just because, just because somebody found

00:56:26.640 it in an engine and I was like, I'm so alone.

00:56:29.680 So I said, sure, I'll give me the, give it, give it, give it a, give it a damn kitten.

00:56:33.880 And at that point I wasn't sure I was going to drown it, wear it or, or, or, or, or nurture

00:56:37.400 it.

00:56:37.680 But, but, but I was just like, oh, okay.

00:56:41.120 And being responsible for shaping the personality, which anybody who has animals, who loves animals

00:56:47.480 knows that is a hundred percent real.

00:56:50.540 Responsible for shaping the personality, nurturing that, that being into either being a parent

00:56:55.000 itself or just to being a companion or, or to, to being the best that it can be.

00:56:58.560 Right.

00:57:00.520 It's, it's bringing something out in me, you know, that wasn't present when I was having

00:57:07.480 a lot of what most people would regard as, well, what homosexuals would regard as very

00:57:12.260 desirable kind of sex, you know, with a particular kind of person or whatever.

00:57:17.280 So this, you get to the base of it and you get to the heart of it.

00:57:22.300 If you're sort of one-on-one with the gay, but they will, they won't just talk about the

00:57:25.260 emptiness of their life or the fact that the sex is sterile or whatever, they will know

00:57:28.540 that there's something not quite right.

00:57:30.480 And so.

00:57:31.120 And that its origin is there at something that was not quite right.

00:57:35.000 Have you ever been addicted to anything?

00:57:36.520 Oh yeah.

00:57:37.460 Okay.

00:57:37.880 Big time.

00:57:39.260 So, you know, there's that moment when your mind is flooded and it's all you can think

00:57:43.640 about.

00:57:44.000 Yes.

00:57:44.660 And it's all that you can, you, you, you got to get it out because if you don't do

00:57:50.120 a line or have a smoke or, or do something, if you don't.

00:57:55.260 If you don't get it out, it's just going to be all that you can think about for the

00:57:57.920 rest of the day.

00:57:58.300 It's just driving you crazy because it floods your mind.

00:58:00.560 Yeah.

00:58:02.100 I've been addicted to one or two little things.

00:58:06.100 And I realized my sex works the same way.

00:58:10.520 I believe that.

00:58:11.140 I realized that when I was on a plane, I'm sitting down, you know, 181A, I'm sitting on

00:58:18.100 the plane.

00:58:18.540 I'm like, yeah, I'll have a genotonic girl.

00:58:20.340 And then, you know, like a basketball player, well not basketball player, they're all gay

00:58:23.220 notes, but you know, like a football player would sit next to me, like it would take hold

00:58:26.640 of me.

00:58:27.800 There were times I had to like go to the bathroom and like, you know, because I, because I had

00:58:32.800 to get rid of it because it was, it was taking hold of my mind.

00:58:36.980 It sounds like a demon.

00:58:38.180 Yeah.

00:58:38.780 Because it's what it is.

00:58:40.240 I joke.

00:58:40.840 I say, Gorgoroth, the semen demon, you know, he comes out the way, he doesn't, doesn't

00:58:44.980 visit me very often anymore, you know, but it's totally real.

00:58:47.700 I mean, that stuff is all, it's all real.

00:58:50.140 But I realized that, so I don't do cocaine anymore, but I, you know, it'll shock people

00:58:56.280 to learn I used to be a bit of a cokehead, you know, when I was, you know, that rush of

00:59:01.480 dopamine, the rituals associated with it as well, you know, I was like, oh my God, that's

00:59:07.260 how I feel about sex.

00:59:08.960 And that can't be right.

00:59:10.980 It can't be right.

00:59:12.420 No, it's literally, I'm not just talking about gay sex, but any, that is literally a

00:59:17.240 perversion.

00:59:18.160 Yes.

00:59:18.440 And it is a demon.

00:59:20.500 And it's also other things too, because these things go hand in hand, you know.

00:59:24.120 May I ask how, in your own, with Vasantu Personal, how did you wind up?

00:59:28.320 I think we're there now.

00:59:28.820 Okay, I think we are.

00:59:30.700 No, but.

00:59:31.780 I just told you I wanked on UA1722.

00:59:35.900 I cracked one out in the bathroom.

00:59:37.720 People are never going to sit next to me on planes again.

00:59:39.500 I think we're good.

00:59:40.240 Anyone who's ever been, well, I drank alcohol in the morning.

00:59:42.560 I mean, you know, anyone who's ever been possessed.

00:59:44.280 Please, I'm British.

00:59:44.960 That doesn't count.

00:59:45.600 No, I know, but I'm just saying, anyone who's ever been possessed by an obsession knows that

00:59:51.060 it can totally destroy your behavior.

00:59:52.600 But we spend so much time talking in our society about, you know, gay and it's all good.

01:00:00.780 Of course, you know, gay is good and gay rights are good.

01:00:02.740 In fact, they're the marker of human rights.

01:00:04.340 They're the only human right, really.

01:00:06.620 But.

01:00:07.780 It is the only human right people still care about.

01:00:09.500 You're right to be sodomized.

01:00:11.860 You're right to wake up in the morning, like, and you're like, oh, okay, you're ready to

01:00:16.200 go, are you?

01:00:16.720 And hear that voice in your mind.

01:00:18.080 And it's not a sultry voice.

01:00:19.220 It's not a sexy voice.

01:00:20.340 It's go and get it.

01:00:22.000 It's, you know, it's like, it's, it's, it's Gorgoroth.

01:00:24.180 Anyway, sorry, I'm interrupting you.

01:00:25.500 But it is.

01:00:26.200 That's dark.

01:00:26.960 I've thankfully never.

01:00:28.720 It's one of the few problems I don't have, but I get it.

01:00:32.140 That's why Grindr is so dangerous, you know, it's just like within 20 minutes, they can

01:00:35.500 be in the living room, you know.

01:00:37.760 I want to ask you about that.

01:00:38.980 But first, let me ask about your own life, because you never get to ask, you know, everyone's

01:00:42.520 telling you how proud they are to be gay.

01:00:43.780 And that's great.

01:00:45.160 And all that.

01:00:46.300 But.

01:00:46.480 It's a sin, by the way.

01:00:47.120 Pride is a sin.

01:00:48.080 Well, I agree with that.

01:00:49.660 But you never get to ask, like, what, how did this, how did you start being gay?

01:00:56.000 Like, specifically described with, you know.

01:00:59.200 The way I remember it.

01:01:00.040 In a PG way, right?

01:01:02.140 If you insist.

01:01:03.040 No, the way I remember.

01:01:04.040 We've done enough, I know.

01:01:05.080 The way I remember it is I just did it to piss off my mother.

01:01:08.580 But that's not true.

01:01:09.880 I think that's, that's self-mythologization.

01:01:12.060 You know, like I, I did, and I did take a lot of drug dealers home when I was, it was.

01:01:15.300 Were you close to your mom?

01:01:17.080 When I was in high school.

01:01:18.260 She married.

01:01:19.460 So, so, so I'll answer your question.

01:01:21.120 I'll skip back first.

01:01:22.100 Let me, let me do that first.

01:01:23.440 So my dad was in organized crime.

01:01:27.700 Funny, charismatic, brilliant.

01:01:29.820 And there are things about, like, maybe Alex Jones that remind me of him a little bit.

01:01:36.460 Just in that kind of, like, just in manner, you know.

01:01:40.220 Like a bit of a bruiser, but with the heart, you know, like, you know, like, you know,

01:01:43.820 like he's a bad guy with a heart of gold.

01:01:45.560 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:46.260 I've known a few.

01:01:47.260 Yeah.

01:01:47.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:48.180 No, like, I cleave to that kind of personality.

01:01:50.880 It reminds me a little bit of the good bits of my dad, right?

01:01:52.840 But there was another section, which Alex does not have, which was that, you know, he was

01:01:58.340 a bad guy.

01:01:58.900 And I saw him do really bad things to people.

01:02:00.960 I would come down.

01:02:02.040 I've told this story before, but I would come down.

01:02:03.900 Sometimes the kitchen door would be closed and I would hear, you know, Nicky, Nicky,

01:02:07.340 I'm giving up a life of crime.

01:02:09.420 I'm turning over a new leaf.

01:02:10.600 I'm not going to do anything that's going to give me any more than 18 months.

01:02:13.880 You know, it's funny, but.

01:02:15.680 It's all about goals, Milo.

01:02:18.680 Yeah.

01:02:19.560 But he was a bad guy.

01:02:20.500 And I saw him do things that really frightened me.

01:02:23.240 And, you know, he was in pubs and nightclubs in a, you know, running, running the clubs

01:02:30.440 and the security and sort of like, you know, he's gone now, so I can say it, laundering

01:02:35.060 millions, you know, like, blah, blah, between those two, you know, like the security, these

01:02:40.200 security guards are on $120 an hour, huh?

01:02:42.700 Yeah.

01:02:43.140 Yes.

01:02:43.380 Yes, officer.

01:02:45.860 Oh, yeah.

01:02:46.480 Oh, yeah.

01:02:46.880 Aren't you?

01:02:47.280 Tell him, tell him what you're on.

01:02:48.120 It's like 110, 120, 120, you know.

01:02:50.160 So he used to let me sit in the booth and like do the stamps and I would watch people

01:02:57.120 go in and I'd watch the behaviors of like low socioeconomic, white, working class, like

01:03:04.500 in their 20s, just, you know, just drinking, effing, you know.

01:03:08.160 And, and, and then I saw some of the things my dad did and they would start with that

01:03:15.340 joke.

01:03:15.820 They'd start with that very charming joke.

01:03:17.180 They'd start with that alluring joke.

01:03:18.340 And my dad had like a degree in, my dad had a master's in fine art.

01:03:21.020 He was a great sculptor and painter, but that, but that was the charming bit of him.

01:03:25.280 The dark bit was, you know, like he would say to people, can I use bad language on this

01:03:29.620 show?

01:03:29.740 Yes, yes, you may.

01:03:31.320 Because you can bleep it.

01:03:32.300 But my dad would say like, listen, just because you're in a wheelchair, don't give you the

01:03:37.440 right to be a cunt.

01:03:38.840 And he would grab the wheelchair, spin it around and like walk people up to, you know, like

01:03:45.020 to parking lot edges and stuff like that.

01:03:46.680 And I'm sitting in the car like, you know, or he'd go collecting, which means protection

01:03:53.680 rackets and he would, and he would, you know, I would overhear like, Julian, could you take

01:04:00.500 your glasses off, please?

01:04:02.260 I was like, I don't want to get glasses in my finger when I poke your fucking eye out.

01:04:06.060 It's very charming, very funny, like very Tony Soprano kind of like that kind of ilk,

01:04:09.680 you know.

01:04:11.440 But, but I saw some of it.

01:04:13.760 And I think maybe somewhere in my head was like, yeah, if that's being a man, I think I'm

01:04:17.920 out.

01:04:18.620 Because I was a child, I was frightened.

01:04:20.980 And then my mother left him and married it.

01:04:23.680 A new guy, and he was very like, sort of a nice guy now, but, but he would go through

01:04:31.200 all my stuff.

01:04:31.760 Like if I had papers, you know, if I was reading something for school or whatever, he would

01:04:35.420 like, when I was out, go through every page and just sort of leave it like this.

01:04:38.900 It's just that I knew that he'd been in there, you know, and that kind of like invasive,

01:04:43.580 like, like just horrifying, like, you know, it was just for a very sensitive artistic child

01:04:47.900 like me, you know, already on my way then, you know, having, I had a much larger than

01:04:52.300 life grandmother who was like, you know, egging this stuff on.

01:04:55.480 And, and by this time I had had some interactions, sexual interactions with a Roman Catholic priest

01:04:59.560 who's dead now, has been dead for a long time, but that had obviously, you know, that fed

01:05:02.760 into it all as well.

01:05:03.780 Wait, wait, stop, stop.

01:05:06.180 That obviously fed into, right.

01:05:08.100 Well, if you're being molested.

01:05:10.280 Yeah.

01:05:10.560 Well, yeah.

01:05:10.960 Also the molestation.

01:05:11.940 No, but, but really for me, this is, this is why it's important to do the other stuff

01:05:15.600 first before you get, oh, and I was raped by a priest.

01:05:19.200 But, but, but, but, but, but this sort of psychological torture as I, as I experienced

01:05:25.240 it was, you know, sort of like, so I had no private space anywhere and I knew that all

01:05:30.620 the men in my life were just not things I wanted to become.

01:05:33.200 Yes.

01:05:33.580 And then I cast my, see if you let me get to it.

01:05:35.140 Uh, then I cast my mind back to a lovely old rich man in a frock, Father Michael.

01:05:39.400 Uh, and I, and I, and I, who had not been like that with me.

01:05:46.740 And one of the things that got me into trouble 10 years ago was when I said, I felt like the

01:05:52.380 kind of the aggressor in that situation.

01:05:53.660 I didn't know what bad stuff it had done to me.

01:05:55.580 And at that time I didn't, um, you know, I made a couple of jokes that got, uh, GOP Inc.

01:06:02.500 Uh, hot and bothered because they're all faggots.

01:06:04.720 Um, uh, they, they weren't, they, they weren't happy about the, some of the truths that we're

01:06:08.860 talking about today, kind of toppling out, you know?

01:06:11.360 Um, and so these things combined the, having what I perceived to be at that time, I perceived

01:06:21.320 as a child to be consensual sexual experiences with a older man who was a kindly, he was a

01:06:27.900 kindly sweetheart, you know, he was, I think of him now as a harmless old queen, you know?

01:06:33.060 And of course he, what he was doing was not harmless.

01:06:35.340 Well, you have a right to any opinion you want about the experiences that happened to

01:06:38.660 you.

01:06:38.960 Well, apparently not.

01:06:39.880 Well, I've been retired for some time as a result.

01:06:42.260 Um, but you know.

01:06:43.800 Well, I continue to believe that people are allowed to formulate their own opinions about

01:06:48.140 their own lives.

01:06:48.800 I think you should be able to talk about your rape however you like, uh, you know.

01:06:52.380 I kind of agree with that.

01:06:53.280 And not necessarily have to go on live international television and apologize for it like I did,

01:06:57.080 but I'm not bitter.

01:06:58.000 Um, so, unfortunately, unfortunately I, I, I carved out a much, I have a, a new kind of

01:07:05.940 career and a new life now that I much prefer.

01:07:08.380 It's more satisfying, lucrative, blah, blah, blah.

01:07:11.360 We'll talk about it later.

01:07:11.840 So I, I haven't gone crazy like so many of my friends and it's funny watching them because

01:07:17.440 I see some of the, in the way that their personalities have become kind of empty and sharded and become

01:07:22.200 filled with wickedness.

01:07:23.400 I see some of the things that I have been working over the last 10 years to get away from that

01:07:26.920 created this, this sexual behavior.

01:07:29.460 They've become facultized, you know?

01:07:32.280 Well, there does seem to be, um, a connection, but it does, you know, the incidence of closeted

01:07:40.880 homosexuality on the right is like overwhelming.

01:07:44.960 It's like way above what you would imagine is statistically probable.

01:07:48.800 Three straight guys on the right.

01:07:50.180 It's like Alex, you, and I have a floating wild card just in case I forgot anybody.

01:07:55.160 You know, like who else is there?

01:07:56.720 What, what else is there?

01:07:57.880 I mean, maybe the Tates, but who else is there?

01:07:59.780 What is that?

01:08:00.980 Um, I don't understand.

01:08:03.000 There's such a long, um, there's such a long relationship, a long happy marriage between

01:08:08.620 conservative politics and homosexuality.

01:08:10.880 And it's easy to joke about it and say, oh, it's, it's, um, you know, all of the bells

01:08:15.780 and smells and frocks of the religious dimension to it all, or it's the, uh, pomp and circumstance

01:08:20.800 of power, or it's, but the New Testament is really tough on homosexuality.

01:08:25.260 So I don't see it as a, that's not, certainly not a Christian thing.

01:08:28.620 It's not a Christian thing, but of course it's easy to understand with the sort of obscene,

01:08:33.200 obese heresies of the type that obtain in this country.

01:08:36.800 I mean, I mean, in a country where prosperity gospel can thrive, who would be surprised,

01:08:42.420 right?

01:08:42.700 It's not an authentic faith as we would know.

01:08:45.060 I sometimes tease you about your, your denomination, but Episcopalian, uh, Episcopalian churches is,

01:08:49.620 is, is as close to us as it's possible to get.

01:08:52.260 And it was designed to be, um, a mirror to high Anglicanism, which was indistinguishable

01:08:56.120 from Catholicism and, you know, at its, sorry, at its best, it's, it's a very similar, um,

01:09:02.060 uh, creed, you know, to, and, and, and with a very similar style and similar beliefs, you

01:09:05.880 know?

01:09:06.180 Yeah.

01:09:06.420 So, but, but, but as soon as you wander away from that in America, just like mental.

01:09:11.480 So, but what is, and I'm not attacking anybody and I never want to out people because I don't,

01:09:18.600 you know, it's not my business, right?

01:09:20.080 I think I've never done it.

01:09:22.860 And, uh, I mean, maybe I live, I live to out people, I live to out people, uh, on which

01:09:28.120 subject, Cory Booker, um, did you say, but what is that?

01:09:32.180 Why is there, why is it so common on the right?

01:09:36.900 Well, of course on the left too, but on the right with closeted gaze, like I don't get

01:09:41.600 that.

01:09:41.620 It's an interesting question.

01:09:42.540 I've never heard a really good answer to, I'll be honest with you.

01:09:45.080 Uh, uh, I, I suppose I should have a good answer to that, but I don't.

01:09:47.900 And I, I think, but I think if it's about anything, it's about the exercise of power

01:09:52.320 over others.

01:09:53.100 Yes.

01:09:53.780 Because.

01:09:54.640 I feel that.

01:09:54.900 I have no idea exactly why that's true, but I feel that that's true.

01:09:57.740 What's the worst thing about magic?

01:10:00.260 It's not that you can turn a person into a frog or you can, uh, make yourself look more

01:10:05.760 beautiful or you can, whatever.

01:10:07.360 What's the worst thing about magic is that it robs others of agency that you can make

01:10:11.160 them do things they don't want to do.

01:10:12.660 The worst and most sinister bit of magic is that you can, uh, trick someone or compel

01:10:18.100 someone against their will to fall in love with you or to, uh, or to throw themselves

01:10:22.620 off a cliff.

01:10:23.240 It's a kind of slavery.

01:10:24.040 Yeah.

01:10:24.320 Exactly.

01:10:25.020 The, the most frightening thing about magic is its ability to compel the wills of others.

01:10:30.320 Yes.

01:10:30.520 Right.

01:10:30.880 And that's what I think homosexuals are seeking when they, because they feel so powerless in

01:10:35.680 their own lives and have this understanding that they are broken people without agency over

01:10:40.180 their own sex lives, over their bodies, over that down there.

01:10:45.200 Like I don't even have control over me, but I'm damn well, we're going to have control over

01:10:48.800 you.

01:10:49.460 That's, I think a lot of it.

01:10:50.920 And, and so if you, if you dovetail that in with the, I know you're telling the truth

01:10:55.080 here.

01:10:55.200 I don't fully understand what you're saying, but I, it comports with a lot of what I've

01:10:58.880 seen.

01:10:59.160 I feel as though if you, if you are a person who intuits that you have a lack of, of control,

01:11:06.060 of power, of, of agency over your own drives, your own desires, your, your own urges, and

01:11:14.960 the, even your biological, anatomical, your, your physical responses, like I can't stop

01:11:22.860 getting aroused by men.

01:11:24.880 What is that?

01:11:27.340 You're going to want to exercise power elsewhere over others.

01:11:31.040 Oh, that's so interesting.

01:11:32.600 And being sucked into the nexus of intersectional blah, blah, blah, blah, you might, you're going

01:11:38.480 to be tempted by explicit magic as well as the implicit magic of whatever.

01:11:44.860 And so, you know, dovetail that with right-wing authoritarianism and, and, and, and, and I have

01:11:49.140 to say, I'm sorry to say it, I must say it, some dimensions, in some respects, I can see

01:11:56.780 that that might be something that attracts homosexuals to the Catholic church, for instance.

01:12:00.280 Just the illusion of being, being, being a bishop, I mean.

01:12:03.480 Or National Review magazine, you know, which is.

01:12:06.440 You don't just say to me, it's all right.

01:12:07.260 I'm happy to talk about the, the, the, the, the, the Catholic element of it.

01:12:09.660 I mean, the bishops are all faggots.

01:12:11.320 I mean, they're all whoopsies.

01:12:13.500 They're all whoopsies.

01:12:15.220 Gays.

01:12:16.140 I like, I like that one.

01:12:17.200 You know, it, it contains within it a kernel of the sort of a slapstick that I think we

01:12:21.980 have to, I, one of the ways I got myself off it was, was, was imagining myself in that

01:12:26.980 situation as ridiculous.

01:12:28.620 Like, I can't even perceive that I would do something so ridiculous.

01:12:33.760 Like laughing at it became, because you know, I laughed as the death of arousal, right?

01:12:37.900 I totally agree.

01:12:38.400 So I read this, I read the, or I, or, or something like that went off the back of my head.

01:12:42.020 Well, anyone who's ever been laughed at naked can tell you that.

01:12:44.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:45.040 Well, never have, but.

01:12:45.740 Um, uh, uh, I haven't either.

01:12:47.760 I'll tell you.

01:12:50.140 No, but, but I mean, you know, like, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a favorite,

01:12:52.960 famous, like British, uh, particularly a British, like injunction, you know, that laughter is

01:12:57.220 the death of arousal or whatever.

01:12:58.980 Um, uh, and, and I just thought, okay, well, how about if I start thinking about it as ridiculous?

01:13:04.180 Cause it is ridiculous.

01:13:04.960 I mean, like you and the football team, like it is ridiculous.

01:13:08.120 Uh, and so that's one of the ways I was talking about it, but, but no, this, this, this,

01:13:10.960 that is so true, uh, seeing themselves as powerless, even to control their own bodies

01:13:19.200 and knowing on some level, I think homosexuals seek out those places.

01:13:22.520 Um, and you know, you see on the left as well.

01:13:24.720 So this is why you might want to bomb Iran and Venezuela.

01:13:28.140 Yeah, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.

01:13:29.640 What's gayer?

01:13:30.620 What's gayer?

01:13:31.380 I'm not saying he was a practicing homosexual physically, but wasn't, is there anything gayer

01:13:34.420 than John McCain's like bloodlust?

01:13:36.460 Uh, uh, seen through this, seen through this prism.

01:13:40.660 I mean, he's even got the fat friend.

01:13:42.440 It's his daughter.

01:13:43.380 Um, you know, like he even bred, he even bred the fat best friend, you know, like, is there,

01:13:47.840 is there a, is there a more ostentatious like fag hag in America than Meghan McCain?

01:13:52.720 Uh, you know, she hates herself.

01:13:54.080 She's fat.

01:13:54.580 She's crazy.

01:13:55.160 She's every gay man's dream.

01:13:56.540 Uh, you know, she can't dress.

01:13:58.300 Um, uh, you know, she, she, she, she, she, why is that every gay man's dream?

01:14:02.340 Um, because they want to visit upon their female friends, um, the cruelty they wish that

01:14:08.900 they could perform on their mothers.

01:14:12.920 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:14:16.720 Um, they want to make her feel fat and ugly and ridiculous because that's what their mother

01:14:22.740 did to them.

01:14:23.660 And there was no dad around to protect them on their mother was just this overbearing,

01:14:26.840 terrible, you know, sort of the Jungian devouring mother.

01:14:29.640 Um, all of this has been banned in the United States.

01:14:31.920 So I don't even think people are familiar with these concepts anymore.

01:14:34.540 So, so I'll try to keep it simple.

01:14:36.400 Uh, you imagine like, um, imagine like a, a, a female, like Lutheran pastor or a, or,

01:14:43.260 or a female Jewish rabbi.

01:14:45.240 And that is like, you know, Hey, it's great to grieve.

01:14:50.860 That's for a TV show, but, but, you know, one of those, right?

01:14:54.380 This is horrible, overbearing monstrousness that on some level, the homosexual knows is what's

01:14:59.740 made him like this.

01:15:01.620 Cause he knows dad wasn't around.

01:15:02.960 So mom did it.

01:15:04.160 Right.

01:15:04.400 This is what, by the way, this is why trans was so popular because it got parents off the

01:15:08.680 hook.

01:15:09.080 If you've got a gay kid, you know, you did something, but if your kid has a disease and

01:15:12.400 was born into the wrong body, well, that's not your fault, is it?

01:15:14.400 And you get all the sympathy.

01:15:15.440 And all your friends are like, Oh, do you got a trans kid?

01:15:17.620 How tough are you?

01:15:18.420 No, you got a faggot because you raised a faggot because you're a terrible parent.

01:15:22.000 You know, that's what's really going on.

01:15:23.260 They want to avoid that.

01:15:24.080 So instead, no, I'm going to chop its ding dong off and say it's got a disease.

01:15:28.680 Like that's why it was so popular with single moms.

01:15:31.180 Amazing.

01:15:31.920 Amazing.

01:15:32.480 That's why, that's why trans was so popular with single moms.

01:15:34.300 Cause it got them off the hook.

01:15:35.620 It means they didn't turn their son gay when they know they did.

01:15:38.900 They know they did.

01:15:39.560 They know they did.

01:15:40.120 And the sons know they did.

01:15:41.140 And the sons grow up being cruel to women because of what mom did to them.

01:15:48.420 So they're hostile toward their moms, even though many gay men I've known have had very

01:15:54.480 close relationship.

01:15:55.700 Right, right, right.

01:15:56.320 But it's a toxicity.

01:15:57.720 It's a codependent relationship that they know is, they can't.

01:16:01.280 So sometimes they can't visit this cruelty on their mom because they have this close relationship

01:16:04.640 with their mom, but they do it on other women.

01:16:06.260 It's redirected, right?

01:16:08.260 It's transferred onto other women.

01:16:11.540 Cause they love a mommy.

01:16:12.560 Like, what would I do without my mom?

01:16:13.560 But on some level they know that she did that.

01:16:16.020 She did that.

01:16:16.500 Um, so, so they force women into ever more uncomfortable and ever uglier outfits and

01:16:25.340 throw them down runways on, you know, in 10 inch heels or they, um, you know.

01:16:31.300 So you think the fashion industry is acting this out?

01:16:34.440 Of course it is.

01:16:35.840 I mean, what other explanation could there be for the intolerable ugliness of the catwalk?

01:16:40.220 You are blowing my mind on so many levels.

01:16:44.440 I can't even.

01:16:45.480 I mean, sure.

01:16:46.760 We used to have, when society was working properly, you would go, have you ever seen

01:16:51.340 Mrs. Harris Goes to Paris?

01:16:52.560 No.

01:16:53.140 It's a lovely movie about a char lady, a, um, a, um, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a housekeeper.

01:16:57.680 Yes, a housekeeper, yes, to, to, to, to Americans.

01:16:59.220 Um, see, I didn't know a char woman, and you've never seen Mrs. Harris Goes to Paris.

01:17:03.620 Um, yeah, who, who dreams of one day owning a couture d'or dress, like the person she works for, right?

01:17:10.840 And she saves up, and she saves up, and there's calamities with her money, and, you know, some, some boyfriend losing, whatever.

01:17:15.560 And eventually, she manages to go to Paris, and she manages to get the dress, right?

01:17:19.980 And when society was properly ordered, there were these aspirational, um, beauty standards,

01:17:25.500 and these aspirational lifestyle goals that included gorgeous tailoring, and beautiful, um, uh, um, silhouettes for women that accentuated their, uh, you know, their gorgeous characters.

01:17:37.340 It's not like that now, is it?

01:17:39.640 It's not like that now?

01:17:40.520 No, and, and it's funny, I don't know much, I don't know really anything about fashion, but I love female beauty, of course.

01:17:46.920 But you don't see any of it on the catwalk now.

01:17:48.660 Exactly.

01:17:49.360 In fact, you see.

01:17:50.520 You see the opposite.

01:17:51.360 You see the opposite.

01:17:52.320 You see, you see, you see, manufactured ugliness.

01:17:55.260 Gay men turning women into the demons they see themselves as.

01:17:59.760 Um, you see gay men, look at, look at, the most, who's the most celebrated woman on the stage at the moment, is, is the, the, um, Gorgon opposite Ariana Grande, whose name I forget now.

01:18:10.940 Um, you know, this, this, this, this, this Nosferatu, like, black Nosferatu, um, who's, seems to be sucking the life force out of poor Ariana, who's, I think, gonna die within the next few weeks.

01:18:21.240 Uh, if you've seen, if you've seen, if you've seen that singer's, um, physique lately, um, she's sort of, but this, this, this, this, this, this appalling apparition, um, Cynthia or something, I think, uh, of course she's called Cynthia.

01:18:37.740 Um, you know, with these, with these claws, you know, and you look at the silhouette and you're like, that's literally Nosferatu.

01:18:45.020 It's literally Nosferatu.

01:18:46.060 And I know a gay man did that.

01:18:47.160 And, of course, a gay man then put her on stage in Jesus Christ Superstar as our Lord.

01:18:51.840 Did you know that?

01:18:52.760 No.

01:18:53.200 Have you seen, have you seen the person I'm talking about, right?

01:18:54.620 No.

01:18:55.200 Okay.

01:18:55.520 Well, you'll Google it later, but, um, it's this spindly, it's just, just straight up goblin looking black woman.

01:19:02.740 Like, and I, and I, you know, I'm not trying to have like a, a, a, a Rose, a, a, a, a, a Roseanne moment, um, although she was right.

01:19:09.700 Um, you know, whatever, but this woman is like, you know, like, like ugly by any racial stage, just, just monstrous looking, right?

01:19:16.060 Just, just.

01:19:17.160 What our mothers might've called a deeply unfortunate, right?

01:19:20.740 Yeah.

01:19:21.480 Um, I mean, practically circus level.

01:19:24.880 And of course she's the heroine of, of the billion dollar franchise now, Wicked.

01:19:29.500 And she's, um, and she's on stage as Jesus, which, which.

01:19:36.880 So it's an act of hostility is what you're saying.

01:19:38.700 Exactly.

01:19:39.560 Exactly.

01:19:40.500 And, and, and so the, these gay men who feel the will of Gorgoroth inside them.

01:19:47.040 And he's like, do it, do it, uh, you know, and, and, and, and go turn these women into

01:19:51.340 the demons they see inside themselves, you know, the demons they see acting on.

01:19:55.580 This is a, a lot deeper than I expected when I, when I texted you to have this conversation.

01:20:01.480 It's more than you would imagine from a guy wearing this t-shirt.

01:20:04.080 No, it's not actually.

01:20:05.260 And by the way, can I say one thing that's bothered me for years when I was a child?

01:20:09.560 There was a lot of creativity coming from gay men in the United States.

01:20:13.440 Like they were.

01:20:13.860 It's all gone now.

01:20:14.380 I know.

01:20:15.300 And it's Dave Rubin is, is responsible.

01:20:17.280 I know him personally, but I mean, like.

01:20:19.260 But do you know what I'm talking about?

01:20:20.480 I mean.

01:20:20.960 Of course.

01:20:21.700 And why?

01:20:22.700 Because.

01:20:23.080 A lot of free thinking.

01:20:24.380 And I was related to one of them.

01:20:25.980 And I spent a lot of time in my house, lived in my house when I was a kid and gay died of

01:20:30.280 AIDS, you know, but, and had a lot of problems.

01:20:32.720 But in some, but I will say creative, free thinking, like truly free thinking.

01:20:39.100 Gore Vidal was like the archetype.

01:20:41.500 This is Burkean.

01:20:42.440 There are no Gore Vidal's in gay world that I'm aware of.

01:20:45.100 They're all like conformists and supporting the, the man.

01:20:49.300 Like what?

01:20:50.180 Well, the only one, the only ones these days are ex-gay.

01:20:53.100 But do you know what I'm talking about?

01:20:54.240 Yes.

01:20:54.520 And it's Burkean.

01:20:55.480 It's because creativity arises out of order.

01:20:57.760 There has to be limits.

01:20:58.580 And if homosexuality is not proscribed as wretched and kept at the fringes where it

01:21:03.420 belongs, creativity dies.

01:21:05.480 And what do you get?

01:21:06.520 Because you don't have those people playing with the limits.

01:21:08.540 You don't have the taboo breakers.

01:21:10.000 You don't have the artists, the creatives living at the limits of society.

01:21:14.360 They're brought instead.

01:21:15.580 And I have to say.

01:21:16.480 I think the gay community such as this is one of the least creative, most conformist

01:21:20.720 elements of our society.

01:21:22.100 I never thought I would say that.

01:21:23.360 They become the enforcers just like.

01:21:25.000 They're the enforcers.

01:21:25.920 They're the Praetorian guard for Apple and Microsoft.

01:21:28.760 What the hell?

01:21:29.520 Just like the white women of folklore who are responsible for all evil.

01:21:35.740 But they become like turbocharged Karens, you know?

01:21:39.240 And it's the white women who welcome in the white single moms typically.

01:21:45.340 But single moms generally, I think, who bring in a drag queen story hour.

01:21:50.400 Because there's no gay people like banging down the door.

01:21:52.540 No, that's right.

01:21:53.800 There's no gay people like.

01:21:55.100 So true.

01:21:55.380 Excuse me.

01:21:55.760 Can I come read your kids?

01:21:57.020 Do you mind?

01:21:57.400 Can I come read stories to your kids?

01:21:58.260 No, they're not.

01:21:59.840 They're not.

01:22:00.820 But there are demons out there who will come do it if you invite them.

01:22:03.860 Because what do you have to do with demons?

01:22:05.540 Open a portal.

01:22:06.640 Open a doorway.

01:22:07.940 You know?

01:22:08.360 Yes, I do.

01:22:09.420 These women open the doorway and in comes, you know, three little pigs.

01:22:16.140 But the gays now have taken the mantle over from, you know, what we used to, I mean, we used

01:22:28.060 to say, didn't we?

01:22:28.700 We used to say white single moms are the root of all evil.

01:22:31.360 Like, you know, kind of half joking because of all this crazy stuff they support.

01:22:34.700 But now it's homosexuals.

01:22:35.600 I have to be honest with you.

01:22:38.400 I bear some responsibility for this because it was me, 10 years ago, mainstreaming homosexuality

01:22:45.940 into the Republican Party.

01:22:46.740 It's the great regret of my life.

01:22:48.180 I have more so than anything I've done to my own soul, which is a lot.

01:22:53.820 It's the great regret of my life because it has given rise to horrors I never imagined.

01:22:59.100 Let me say, Lennon said, you know, all revolutionaries come to hate their children.

01:23:02.180 You know, while the gay horrors that I've given birth to, Lady Marga, Nick Fuentes, I mean,

01:23:06.360 they keep me up at night.

01:23:07.640 They keep me up at night.

01:23:08.540 Why did you mention Dave Rubin?

01:23:12.960 What's his role?

01:23:13.800 Well, because he is at the vanguard, along with another of other gays in public life,

01:23:18.780 of introducing children into the equation.

01:23:22.460 Because when you do what I did, which is like, gays just like everyone else.

01:23:26.900 You'd be a normal gay.

01:23:27.700 I remember, and this is the thing I regret more than anything else in the world.

01:23:30.780 There's a video of Ross Matthews in 2017 on Twitter saying,

01:23:34.500 so I came home and landscapers have been in.

01:23:38.020 We're getting more citrus.

01:23:39.220 You can never have too much citrus.

01:23:40.800 And people were asking me, Ross, what do you think about this Milo guy?

01:23:44.660 And I'm like, Milo, Milo, how low can you go?

01:23:48.080 I don't know who this person is, but I read it.

01:23:49.800 And he says, I'm getting letters.

01:23:52.080 This is Milo guy.

01:23:52.800 He's resigning from Breitbart or something.

01:23:54.200 And he says, I'm getting letters from people who say, you make it okay that I have a gay son,

01:23:59.640 because if he grows up, he doesn't have to be like Ross Matthews.

01:24:02.480 And I was like, no, they should be like Ross Matthews.

01:24:05.340 They should be like Ross Matthews.

01:24:06.580 They shouldn't be like Dave Rubin.

01:24:08.720 Like you might not even know unless you watched him for a little bit,

01:24:12.040 because this domesticity of homosexuals has killed all the things that were good about gays

01:24:16.900 that made them like tolerable.

01:24:18.440 And instead has given them this grotesque parody, this simulacrum of domesticity,

01:24:25.900 which has, of course, in their never-ending hunger, expanded to include babies.

01:24:33.580 And now we have the Buttigieg couple buying black children.

01:24:38.920 I thought you weren't allowed to buy people.

01:24:42.000 I thought-

01:24:42.200 Oh, no, you can if you're homosexual.

01:24:44.320 But I thought that was-

01:24:45.060 It's called adoption or surrogacy or whatever, but you can buy them.

01:24:46.960 I thought it was called slavery.

01:24:48.500 In fact, you have to buy them, and it's quite expensive.

01:24:51.740 It's some online slave market?

01:24:54.960 It doesn't cover-

01:24:55.480 No, no, no.

01:24:56.080 It's the government.

01:24:59.600 But Dave Rubin has like frankensperm babies.

01:25:06.460 Like he mixed his effluvia with that of his husband.

01:25:12.880 I mean, this is real.

01:25:13.960 This is physical.

01:25:16.200 Gave it a stir and hoped for the best.

01:25:18.900 And whichever one we get, we get.

01:25:21.240 And planted it in some highly paid woman we'll never know the name of,

01:25:25.040 the real mother of those children.

01:25:27.740 And, you know, he and his catamite are on the internet,

01:25:34.180 you know, with these signs like, it's coming with these two dates.

01:25:36.720 And I'm like, yeah, you're damnation.

01:25:39.200 That's the date you're counting down to.

01:25:41.700 The date you're-

01:25:44.180 How is that conservative?

01:25:46.500 Oh, because it's family, you see.

01:25:48.040 Because it's-

01:25:49.240 The sleight of hand that's going on is they're like,

01:25:54.040 well, gays are just like everybody else.

01:25:55.760 So we should behave like everybody else,

01:25:57.720 which means we should have kids.

01:25:58.740 And if we don't physically have kids,

01:26:00.420 because our sex is this like demonic, sterile horror show,

01:26:03.180 then we'll buy them.

01:26:04.740 And then we'll look like we've got-

01:26:06.300 I mean, that's how bad it is.

01:26:09.140 That's how bad it is.

01:26:09.860 And so you have the-

01:26:11.660 I love-

01:26:12.780 I don't know if it says anything about Republicans versus Democrats,

01:26:15.980 but you have like Dave Rubin,

01:26:18.880 for whom buying a child is not good enough.

01:26:21.300 It must be his own.

01:26:22.560 You know?

01:26:23.080 Like the conceit of that.

01:26:26.080 So on the right, you've got this sort of techno-conceit Frankenbaby.

01:26:33.400 And on the left, they adopt blacks.

01:26:36.560 You know?

01:26:37.260 Like, you know, you've got these two wispy, wiry faggots

01:26:41.920 who adopted two black babies.

01:26:43.840 It's, I mean, isn't Buttigieg just the most interesting character of our age?

01:26:48.260 Like, I mean, he doesn't look like he looks like an intensely boring homosexual.

01:26:51.720 Like, it's everything gay people shouldn't be.

01:26:53.220 But it's so interesting, the fact that, I mean,

01:26:54.940 clearly he wasn't gay, like at the beginning.

01:26:57.560 Well, he had girlfriends.

01:26:58.640 Right.

01:26:58.820 So he wasn't gay, but he made himself gay.

01:27:01.340 I made that point because actually I had gay men who worked for me

01:27:05.600 who were more in tune with this than me.

01:27:08.380 I'm not in tune at all.

01:27:09.600 I just didn't, I thought Peter put his judge into the joke,

01:27:12.000 but they said, well, he's not really gay.

01:27:14.880 And I was like, no.

01:27:16.340 So, but what does that mean?

01:27:18.040 Well, his sexuality, like all homosexuality,

01:27:22.440 is a function, a product, a symptom.

01:27:25.920 What is his homosexuality a symptom of?

01:27:28.000 It's of his vaulting ambition.

01:27:30.740 Buttigieg timed it perfectly so that post-Obama,

01:27:35.040 the gay guy with the black kids,

01:27:37.980 perfect presidential candidate.

01:27:41.420 So to the, I think to the heterosexual brain,

01:27:43.880 it's like, are you really saying a guy would switch his,

01:27:46.820 quote, sexuality in order to get a better job?

01:27:50.880 Yeah.

01:27:52.300 Yeah.

01:27:52.960 Women do it all the time.

01:27:54.260 Um, lesbianism, it's got nothing to do with male homosexuality.

01:27:58.900 Just look, everybody knows they got a college girlfriend.

01:28:01.240 It was a, they got a girlfriend who was a lesbian in college.

01:28:03.400 Yeah.

01:28:03.860 Everybody.

01:28:04.480 Like you could barely find a woman who hasn't played around with a woman.

01:28:08.180 Um, Queen Victoria didn't believe that this was sex

01:28:10.820 or that two women would do that with one another.

01:28:12.540 And she refused to accept that women even did that,

01:28:14.920 um, very wisely realizing that, uh, lesbianism wasn't real.

01:28:18.780 And, uh, so lesbianism wasn't illegal in Britain for a long time

01:28:22.840 when male homosexuality was.

01:28:24.580 But, um, female sexuality is known in the studies to be far more malleable.

01:28:29.120 Women go backwards and forwards.

01:28:30.600 That's true.

01:28:31.120 Men all the time.

01:28:32.140 And, and, and, and, you know, lesbianism is like a, is, is, is a,

01:28:35.260 is a, um, social and political decisions.

01:28:38.080 It's a series of social and political decisions.

01:28:39.620 I mean, women want, uh, companionship.

01:28:41.740 They want stability.

01:28:42.200 They want safety.

01:28:43.060 Uh, they can find that in a woman, you know,

01:28:44.620 like you can find that in a, in a butch dyke

01:28:46.240 just as easily as you can find it in an American man these days.

01:28:48.680 Um, I, I'm sorry.

01:28:51.160 Uh, you know, at least, at least she can cash in her Harley Davidson.

01:28:53.980 What have you got?

01:28:54.880 Um, you know, but, um, sorry.

01:29:00.260 Uh, you know, uh, I love the jackets.

01:29:02.400 We'll go for something.

01:29:03.380 Uh, you know, uh, the warehouse full of eyeliner you've got.

01:29:07.900 Um, no, I, I, um,

01:29:10.180 I joke, but only slightly.

01:29:11.400 We've seen women do it.

01:29:13.580 Seen women do it.

01:29:14.820 They do all the time.

01:29:15.900 They choose to be lesbians all the time.

01:29:17.440 Uh, so, so, so you don't find it,

01:29:19.800 you don't find the...

01:29:21.000 I realize it sounds extreme and implausible.

01:29:23.180 Well, to, I, to me anyway, it's like, really?

01:29:25.780 But we're dealing with a sociopath here.

01:29:27.440 We're dealing with somebody who's,

01:29:29.120 who's entirely divorced from his own emotional,

01:29:31.960 from his own feelings, right?

01:29:33.420 We're dealing from somebody,

01:29:34.460 we're dealing with somebody who will do anything,

01:29:36.780 go anywhere, be anything,

01:29:40.120 I mean, are you telling me, like,

01:29:42.940 is it, is it so crazy

01:29:44.700 that he would get,

01:29:46.980 that he would have a boyfriend

01:29:48.200 and adopt these kids?

01:29:50.240 Is it so much more insane

01:29:51.680 than a gay man, uh, uh,

01:29:53.720 living in the closet

01:29:54.420 and having, and having a wife

01:29:55.440 and having sex with her

01:29:56.200 and producing children with her?

01:29:57.080 Is that so nuts?

01:29:58.180 Like, okay, so there's probably more sex involved.

01:29:59.440 Fair, fair.

01:30:00.100 Is it, is it, is it, like,

01:30:01.820 isn't it just like that on steroids?

01:30:03.460 Like, is it so bonkers?

01:30:04.940 And that's where gay people should be,

01:30:06.200 by the way, in the closet

01:30:06.960 praying to get better.

01:30:08.240 Um, uh, but, but is it so wild?

01:30:11.360 It's not wild.

01:30:12.200 No, you're right.

01:30:12.980 I just hadn't thought of it that.

01:30:14.900 And, and, uh,

01:30:15.700 gay men have been doing that for centuries.

01:30:17.840 Well, I know, I know a bunch of them.

01:30:19.620 Right, right, right, of course we,

01:30:20.500 well, you work in,

01:30:22.500 and I used to work in, uh,

01:30:23.640 conservative media,

01:30:24.740 and, uh, uh, uh,

01:30:26.340 it's all of them.

01:30:28.240 It's everybody.

01:30:28.880 It's everybody.

01:30:29.520 They're all faggots.

01:30:30.940 Um, they're all gay.

01:30:32.000 All of them are gay.

01:30:32.800 All of them are gay.

01:30:33.720 Like, everyone is gay.

01:30:34.600 I haven't said anything about it

01:30:35.760 for, like, 30 years

01:30:36.620 just because of my, just,

01:30:37.760 general Anglo commitment

01:30:39.340 to not get involved

01:30:40.200 in other people's business.

01:30:41.740 But, it's so noticeable.

01:30:44.120 I, I just don't know what,

01:30:45.040 I, clearly there's something

01:30:46.240 going on here.

01:30:47.720 Yeah, I think it's the exercise

01:30:49.260 of power of others

01:30:49.960 as we talked about.

01:30:50.600 I think it's really smart.

01:30:52.180 But in this case,

01:30:54.120 the Buttigieg,

01:30:54.640 I find him fascinating

01:30:55.420 because, because he's,

01:30:56.720 he's misjudged,

01:31:02.260 but only slightly,

01:31:04.340 what would be required

01:31:06.100 to be the perfect

01:31:07.340 presidential candidate

01:31:08.340 like in 2028, 2024, right?

01:31:10.860 And he starts off

01:31:11.560 and he's got girlfriends.

01:31:12.340 He's in the military.

01:31:15.100 He's living a normal,

01:31:17.940 like, American life.

01:31:20.060 And then,

01:31:23.380 chasen.

01:31:25.420 I mean,

01:31:26.180 like, if you want to,

01:31:27.380 they say that,

01:31:28.000 um,

01:31:28.340 ex-gays often go for,

01:31:29.540 like,

01:31:29.760 uh,

01:31:29.960 near Eastern women,

01:31:31.280 um,

01:31:31.980 because they're not sexually demanding

01:31:33.000 and they look like boys from behind,

01:31:34.060 you know,

01:31:34.240 like sort of Malaysian girls,

01:31:35.440 um,

01:31:35.860 you know,

01:31:36.060 when they come to have wives.

01:31:37.180 Uh,

01:31:37.600 but isn't chasen kind of like

01:31:38.880 the closest thing you can get to a girl?

01:31:40.440 Um,

01:31:40.920 closest,

01:31:41.260 you know,

01:31:41.380 sort of,

01:31:41.820 if you need a simulacrum of a woman,

01:31:43.260 you know,

01:31:43.320 flip him over,

01:31:43.880 it could be a girl,

01:31:44.720 you know?

01:31:45.640 Um,

01:31:46.140 I don't think I know what chasen looks like.

01:31:49.280 His,

01:31:49.700 well,

01:31:50.160 you're,

01:31:50.540 you're blessed.

01:31:51.220 Um,

01:31:51.600 his husband is,

01:31:52.660 is,

01:31:54.360 if you don't know that,

01:31:55.740 then you might know the expression aged out twink or,

01:31:57.720 uh,

01:31:57.940 but,

01:31:58.240 but,

01:31:58.540 um,

01:32:00.300 he,

01:32:00.760 he's about as the most,

01:32:01.840 the most effeminate man that you could,

01:32:03.300 you could,

01:32:03.820 Oh,

01:32:04.160 is that true?

01:32:04.740 Yeah.

01:32:05.260 Um,

01:32:05.980 not in the kind of like,

01:32:07.600 so,

01:32:07.940 so there's,

01:32:08.440 whereas Pete has that kind of fake radio voice,

01:32:10.400 it's like,

01:32:10.680 yeah,

01:32:11.480 yeah,

01:32:11.720 yeah,

01:32:11.940 yeah.

01:32:12.260 So,

01:32:12.580 you know,

01:32:12.880 yeah,

01:32:13.140 yeah.

01:32:13.460 So,

01:32:13.820 so,

01:32:13.920 you know,

01:32:14.600 um,

01:32:16.940 and it is a fake voice cause you can get,

01:32:18.560 you can find recordings of him earlier and,

01:32:20.480 and he's got more into it,

01:32:22.320 the more gay his life has become.

01:32:24.220 Really?

01:32:25.020 Yeah.

01:32:25.260 Like the,

01:32:25.620 the,

01:32:25.840 the,

01:32:26.140 the base diaphragm.

01:32:28.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.780 It's like,

01:32:29.420 talk from your stomach,

01:32:30.320 Pete,

01:32:30.580 talk from your stomach.

01:32:31.100 You can imagine Jason before he goes on stage.

01:32:32.980 Remember babes from your stomach.

01:32:34.420 He's like,

01:32:34.660 yeah,

01:32:35.140 yeah,

01:32:35.560 yeah.

01:32:37.320 From down here.

01:32:39.200 You just imagine,

01:32:40.400 you know,

01:32:40.880 remember what Lindsay said,

01:32:42.400 uh,

01:32:42.680 you know,

01:32:42.900 the speech coach who taught him how to sound heterosexual,

01:32:45.360 uh,

01:32:45.540 you know,

01:32:45.900 but no,

01:32:47.040 no,

01:32:47.200 the,

01:32:47.380 the,

01:32:47.640 the,

01:32:47.800 the,

01:32:47.840 it's,

01:32:48.120 it's going down.

01:32:48.880 It's like sinking.

01:32:49.700 It's like,

01:32:50.040 there's something in there working its way through this,

01:32:53.820 like achingly slow form of peristalsis,

01:32:56.900 you know,

01:32:57.200 just like gradually finding its way down.

01:33:00.020 Eventually he's going to sound like Gorgoroth.

01:33:01.460 Um,

01:33:02.000 uh,

01:33:02.300 you know,

01:33:02.560 he's going to sort of really realize his full potential.

01:33:04.980 Um,

01:33:05.740 no,

01:33:06.100 he,

01:33:06.380 he,

01:33:06.740 um,

01:33:08.180 he's fake.

01:33:10.640 He's not gay.

01:33:11.900 He's not gay.

01:33:12.680 He's not gay.

01:33:13.120 There's a doubt in my mind.

01:33:14.520 Uh,

01:33:14.800 he's not gay,

01:33:15.220 but he's performing homosexuality because,

01:33:18.420 and including having the sex,

01:33:19.700 you know,

01:33:20.400 uh,

01:33:20.660 but probably not a lot of it.

01:33:21.400 I mean,

01:33:21.500 you don't imagine them,

01:33:22.320 you know,

01:33:23.220 well,

01:33:23.400 I don't want you to imagine anything because I'm,

01:33:24.880 I don't,

01:33:25.240 I don't wish to,

01:33:25.920 to,

01:33:26.140 to leave a unpleasant taste in your mouth like that.

01:33:27.820 But,

01:33:28.180 but I'll,

01:33:29.440 I'll,

01:33:29.760 I'll,

01:33:29.980 I'll,

01:33:30.320 I'll suggest to your viewers that there,

01:33:32.900 it's not a particularly sexually active couple,

01:33:35.220 which might also explain how it's possible for somebody to do that.

01:33:41.360 Right.

01:33:42.060 In the same way that,

01:33:42.900 that a,

01:33:43.320 a DL gay guy wouldn't be a particularly sexual husband.

01:33:46.520 Right.

01:33:47.240 Are,

01:33:47.780 uh,

01:33:48.380 gay marriages monogamous?

01:33:51.040 That's funny.

01:33:53.280 Oh,

01:33:53.760 you mean it?

01:33:55.040 Well,

01:33:55.440 I sense that they're not having known some,

01:33:57.140 um,

01:33:58.540 but are any,

01:33:59.300 I guess is what I would ask.

01:34:00.820 I mean,

01:34:01.060 I think you get that sort of elderly antiques dealer in Kentucky.

01:34:05.440 You know,

01:34:05.940 you get that,

01:34:06.440 you get so good.

01:34:07.480 You know,

01:34:07.840 we have a Senator like that,

01:34:09.720 um,

01:34:10.200 uh,

01:34:10.480 who,

01:34:10.860 you know,

01:34:11.300 I think if,

01:34:12.020 if,

01:34:12.320 if he,

01:34:13.420 if he found a husband who was prepared to put up with,

01:34:15.600 um,

01:34:16.980 I really shouldn't,

01:34:17.880 I really shouldn't,

01:34:18.560 but look up the lady bugs.

01:34:20.760 Uh,

01:34:21.060 look,

01:34:21.720 look,

01:34:21.900 look up his lady bugs.

01:34:23.600 Um,

01:34:23.880 it's on,

01:34:24.560 it's on the internet.

01:34:25.200 We have so many senators like that.

01:34:26.880 It's crazy.

01:34:27.540 Well,

01:34:27.720 I think people know the one I mean.

01:34:28.940 Oh,

01:34:29.140 the actual one from Kentucky.

01:34:30.700 No,

01:34:31.080 no,

01:34:31.380 no.

01:34:31.720 Um,

01:34:32.500 um,

01:34:33.440 a little bit over,

01:34:34.420 uh,

01:34:34.660 you know,

01:34:34.880 you know,

01:34:35.060 you can imagine he sort of invites his friend,

01:34:36.900 uh,

01:34:37.120 a Jasper in for a mint julep,

01:34:38.500 uh,

01:34:39.000 you know,

01:34:39.340 you know,

01:34:39.900 and it's like,

01:34:40.240 do you want to just sit there while I'm going to get myself,

01:34:42.340 uh,

01:34:42.720 you know,

01:34:44.140 like,

01:34:44.340 like,

01:34:44.860 um,

01:34:46.420 yes,

01:34:46.700 of course there are loads,

01:34:47.620 loads,

01:34:47.920 but I'm thinking of,

01:34:48.600 of the one in particular,

01:34:49.400 everybody kind of,

01:34:51.020 um,

01:34:51.400 you said you don't out people,

01:34:52.420 so I feel like.

01:34:53.000 No,

01:34:53.240 sorry,

01:34:53.620 sorry,

01:34:53.920 sorry.

01:34:54.240 I'm not going to use Mitch McConnell's name.

01:34:57.000 Um,

01:34:57.020 but.

01:34:57.360 It was Lindsey Graham.

01:34:58.080 Oh,

01:34:58.300 sorry.

01:34:58.800 Um,

01:34:58.820 uh,

01:34:59.000 but,

01:34:59.180 but,

01:34:59.400 um,

01:34:59.520 uh,

01:34:59.860 no,

01:35:00.240 I,

01:35:00.400 uh,

01:35:01.660 it's a shame,

01:35:02.660 isn't it?

01:35:02.940 This,

01:35:03.360 the,

01:35:03.460 the falling over the,

01:35:04.680 the,

01:35:04.860 the,

01:35:05.000 like,

01:35:05.260 how long are you going to stagger on?

01:35:06.960 They're determined to turn themselves into the goblins that,

01:35:09.500 that dictate their behavior.

01:35:11.020 Well,

01:35:11.160 that's the thing about,

01:35:12.180 and I'm not,

01:35:13.060 yeah,

01:35:13.380 it's that there's,

01:35:14.180 there's a bloodthirstiness.

01:35:15.660 That's just really distressing and offensive to me.

01:35:19.280 But actually,

01:35:19.920 but think about it like this,

01:35:21.680 the sassy,

01:35:23.920 vindictive,

01:35:25.780 catty cruelty of the homosexual.

01:35:30.300 Imagine what he'd be like if you gave him a nuclear button.

01:35:33.900 Right?

01:35:34.980 Sounds stupid,

01:35:35.920 but it's,

01:35:36.320 it's a continuum.

01:35:37.560 It's a spectrum,

01:35:38.280 right?

01:35:38.680 And so those gays that have the will to power,

01:35:41.100 they go get some and they use it to bomb people or to,

01:35:46.120 um,

01:35:47.800 bully or to,

01:35:48.620 I mean,

01:35:48.900 how much must they all get off on the fact that they are all having sex and nobody would dare touch it.

01:35:55.760 Nobody,

01:35:56.040 nobody outs them.

01:35:56.940 Nobody says a thing.

01:35:58.320 And they're all living lies to their,

01:35:59.840 this is,

01:36:00.580 I mean,

01:36:00.760 we were joking earlier about,

01:36:02.300 um,

01:36:02.600 about outing people,

01:36:03.460 but like,

01:36:03.760 that's why I have a thirst for it because it's hypocrisy.

01:36:07.700 It's public hypocrisy.

01:36:08.680 I'm not interested in outing like,

01:36:10.340 you know,

01:36:11.000 Joe Simpson who has a corner store.

01:36:13.400 Right.

01:36:13.540 I'm interested in outing people who are misrepresenting themselves to the public.

01:36:17.500 And I'll,

01:36:18.220 you know,

01:36:18.440 somebody just got married with wedding pictures and with engagement pictures that are so absurd.

01:36:23.800 I know.

01:36:24.120 I figured him out,

01:36:24.720 by the way,

01:36:25.480 I figured him out.

01:36:26.420 I could never work out this guy.

01:36:28.400 I was like,

01:36:29.020 what is it that's off with you?

01:36:30.660 And I realized he always wants a bigger laugh than the joke he tells commands.

01:36:35.020 And it's because he's actually obese,

01:36:37.120 but in the body of a merely fat person.

01:36:39.780 Like,

01:36:40.200 if you think of him as like 400 pounds,

01:36:42.640 he suddenly makes sense.

01:36:43.800 Because he's always doing this,

01:36:44.700 you know,

01:36:46.420 and you're like,

01:36:47.120 oh,

01:36:47.440 you're a fat person.

01:36:48.680 You're a giant fat person.

01:36:49.960 So he's like a really fat gay in the body of like a,

01:36:53.280 a merely slightly overweight gay.

01:36:57.580 And,

01:36:58.020 and it's suddenly his personality begins to make sense.

01:37:00.240 He does all these like fat,

01:37:01.360 you know,

01:37:01.560 he's got these like fat tics that fat people do to like get a bigger laugh than,

01:37:05.660 than their wit would normally allow for,

01:37:08.180 you know,

01:37:08.680 you know what I mean?

01:37:10.040 Like,

01:37:10.300 and everybody,

01:37:10.980 and everybody laughs long anyway,

01:37:11.960 because they're fat.

01:37:13.280 You know,

01:37:13.880 the fat people are just funny because they're fat,

01:37:15.780 you know,

01:37:16.220 and he's like,

01:37:16.840 he's like,

01:37:17.560 he acts like he's funny because he's fat,

01:37:19.080 but he's not fat.

01:37:19.660 You're talking about?

01:37:20.680 Cory Booker.

01:37:21.400 Yeah.

01:37:21.880 Yeah.

01:37:22.380 So just back to the question though,

01:37:24.420 is,

01:37:24.640 so is monogamy an expectation in a gay marriage?

01:37:27.960 No,

01:37:28.320 I think,

01:37:29.200 well,

01:37:29.820 I think it's an aspiration.

01:37:31.020 I think it's a,

01:37:33.080 I think it's a stated ambition.

01:37:35.140 But,

01:37:35.780 but,

01:37:36.340 but,

01:37:36.820 but,

01:37:36.900 you know,

01:37:37.600 like all ambitions,

01:37:38.520 you know,

01:37:38.780 we,

01:37:39.000 we,

01:37:39.200 we state something we know we can never reach because in grasping for it,

01:37:43.900 we,

01:37:44.160 we,

01:37:44.340 we,

01:37:44.720 you know,

01:37:44.880 we achieve greatness.

01:37:46.280 And so,

01:37:46.660 and so maybe they only have sex with 20 people.

01:37:49.660 A year instead of 200,

01:37:50.760 you know,

01:37:52.120 and that's,

01:37:52.780 that's gay.

01:37:53.720 That's,

01:37:54.020 that would be,

01:37:54.640 that would be gay fidelity.

01:37:56.960 That would be gay.

01:37:57.420 Really?

01:37:57.940 Oh yeah.

01:37:59.220 I'm not even going to say,

01:37:59.900 I mean,

01:38:00.080 I'm maybe I'll tell you,

01:38:00.760 but like,

01:38:01.280 because there's no woman there to enforce it.

01:38:03.220 So I've always,

01:38:03.960 exactly.

01:38:04.700 And the,

01:38:05.240 and normally no kids to the,

01:38:07.100 blah,

01:38:07.200 blah,

01:38:07.260 blah.

01:38:07.440 How could you use your children?

01:38:08.540 But this is why,

01:38:09.140 this is why living,

01:38:10.200 this is why living on the DL in marriage with a woman is the optimum environment for a homosexual.

01:38:19.340 Because all of the social cues are pushing them to do the,

01:38:23.120 what they know that they should be doing anyway,

01:38:24.760 which is working on eradicating these disordered urges as the religious,

01:38:30.800 religious ex-gays would put it,

01:38:36.620 or,

01:38:36.940 or,

01:38:37.020 or unwanted same-sex attraction as the reparative therapists would have it.

01:38:42.160 whatever it is,

01:38:44.880 all of the,

01:38:45.480 the,

01:38:45.740 the cues and the pressure is moving them in the right way.

01:38:49.720 And so,

01:38:50.300 you know,

01:38:50.460 I mean,

01:38:50.700 that's,

01:38:50.920 that's,

01:38:51.240 it's,

01:38:51.520 it's,

01:38:51.820 it's good.

01:38:52.520 Alan Turing,

01:38:53.140 for God's sake,

01:38:53.580 you know,

01:38:53.740 I was living like that.

01:38:54.860 Who was?

01:38:55.560 Alan Turing,

01:38:56.240 you know,

01:38:56.520 the,

01:38:57.020 he was living like that.

01:38:58.880 And they castrated him anyway,

01:39:00.100 which seems a bit mean to me after the war,

01:39:01.880 after he,

01:39:02.260 after he'd won the war for them.

01:39:03.200 It's like,

01:39:03.420 okay,

01:39:03.700 that's,

01:39:04.120 that's all brilliant,

01:39:04.700 but we're going to chemically castrate,

01:39:05.900 you know,

01:39:06.360 it's in a bit gratuitous to me.

01:39:07.540 It's like,

01:39:07.740 I let him crack one out after he won the bloody war for you.

01:39:14.480 All right.

01:39:15.080 All right.

01:39:15.360 So Britain can,

01:39:16.360 Brits can be savage like that,

01:39:17.920 you know.

01:39:18.400 So do you know,

01:39:19.540 like the happiness level of people who are involved in like promiscuous gay sex?

01:39:28.160 Like what's it?

01:39:28.620 When you,

01:39:29.600 when you live that kind of life,

01:39:36.320 you're living,

01:39:36.720 you're living deep,

01:39:37.740 in profound denial.

01:39:39.820 And it comes from,

01:39:41.720 I read something in,

01:39:43.580 maybe it's the Atlantic or,

01:39:44.860 or,

01:39:45.040 or Mother Jones,

01:39:45.760 of all places,

01:39:47.240 you know,

01:39:47.780 some left-wing gay guy who just wrote about this really beautifully.

01:39:50.640 I'll try to find it in Twitter after this,

01:39:51.800 but he said,

01:39:53.480 when,

01:39:53.720 when,

01:39:53.920 when,

01:39:54.260 when homosexuals are young,

01:39:56.260 they realize they have to put on different faces for different people.

01:39:59.420 I guess the racial equivalent would be code switching,

01:40:01.140 right?

01:40:01.480 Yeah.

01:40:02.280 And they,

01:40:03.000 and,

01:40:03.320 and the effect of this on a person who has disordered urges,

01:40:06.960 unlike someone who just happens to be black,

01:40:08.740 is that it begins to like,

01:40:11.020 create cracks.

01:40:12.180 And ultimately that turn into like shards in the personality,

01:40:14.580 like bits of the personality,

01:40:15.740 like burst,

01:40:16.460 ping,

01:40:16.720 ping off like a chandelier that fell to the floor.

01:40:19.920 And,

01:40:19.940 it's so sad.

01:40:21.120 Yeah.

01:40:21.600 And it produces the space for profound denial of the type that most homosexual men find themselves in,

01:40:29.440 where that flooding of addictive urge is mistaken for healthy and normal sexual attraction.

01:40:37.520 And so,

01:40:40.280 I kind of stumbled when I,

01:40:43.160 when I looked into,

01:40:44.880 I just woke up one day and I was like,

01:40:46.600 and I was married to a dude,

01:40:49.880 to my shame.

01:40:50.980 And I,

01:40:52.200 who's now like the ex-wife from hell,

01:40:53.760 my God.

01:40:56.020 Look,

01:40:56.900 if there's no other reason to like not be gay,

01:40:59.340 just imagine like how bad a black homosexual ex-wife is.

01:41:03.440 Oh,

01:41:03.900 like,

01:41:04.420 I'm not,

01:41:05.680 I'm not even going to go there.

01:41:06.800 You don't even want to know.

01:41:09.060 It's like,

01:41:09.380 oh,

01:41:09.560 sorry,

01:41:09.920 it was two sports cars a year.

01:41:10.940 It wasn't enough.

01:41:11.440 Okay.

01:41:11.660 All right.

01:41:11.920 Okay.

01:41:12.180 All right.

01:41:13.940 Don't even,

01:41:15.120 but,

01:41:15.400 when I woke up one day and I,

01:41:20.500 I woke up one day and I looked over and I was like,

01:41:23.720 oh no,

01:41:24.480 I don't want to do this anymore.

01:41:25.580 Like hell is real.

01:41:26.620 I don't want to go there.

01:41:27.800 And it just hit me like,

01:41:29.100 well,

01:41:29.240 after it was growing,

01:41:30.240 you know,

01:41:30.480 while I was just like,

01:41:31.100 no,

01:41:31.280 no,

01:41:31.380 I really don't want to go there.

01:41:32.620 And I,

01:41:33.160 no,

01:41:33.660 what am I doing?

01:41:36.800 And the way that I started to address this,

01:41:41.240 I kind of stumbled upon a crude version of what the enlightened,

01:41:47.160 like they don't call it conversion therapy anymore.

01:41:48.280 They call it reintegrative therapy.

01:41:50.220 Because it's reintegrating those shards and those,

01:41:52.540 and those broken,

01:41:53.500 and those broken bits of like memory that lead to the wrong output.

01:41:57.060 We're talking about detail if you want to,

01:41:58.160 but I,

01:42:00.340 I,

01:42:00.860 I stumbled upon kind of like a crude version of that.

01:42:04.720 So when I was trying to stop myself from doing this stuff,

01:42:06.660 I was using like hot oil on my thighs.

01:42:08.720 I was like doing things,

01:42:09.920 you know,

01:42:10.140 like,

01:42:10.500 like,

01:42:10.820 like that hurt.

01:42:13.740 And I was trying to rewire my brain.

01:42:18.220 Cause I read a lot of,

01:42:19.020 you know,

01:42:19.200 psychology,

01:42:19.700 anthropology books and stuff like that.

01:42:20.660 So I thought,

01:42:21.140 I don't know.

01:42:21.480 I thought sex urge is such a basic and powerful urge.

01:42:24.380 It's gotta be hard.

01:42:25.380 I just thought I knew what I was doing.

01:42:26.300 So I was like,

01:42:26.860 every time I get aroused,

01:42:28.040 I'm going to go and do something that hurts,

01:42:29.740 you know?

01:42:30.060 And so I took the,

01:42:31.400 I took the,

01:42:32.740 um,

01:42:33.980 you know,

01:42:34.220 like paying my taxes.

01:42:35.160 No,

01:42:35.280 uh,

01:42:35.760 you know,

01:42:35.960 like having sex with black people.

01:42:39.620 Uh,

01:42:39.860 no,

01:42:40.060 no,

01:42:40.280 no.

01:42:40.600 Um,

01:42:41.040 uh,

01:42:41.500 I,

01:42:42.080 I,

01:42:42.300 I did something immediately to try to,

01:42:44.920 to,

01:42:45.080 to redo that.

01:42:45.740 And there's,

01:42:46.020 there's a,

01:42:46.380 there's a much better way to do it,

01:42:47.980 uh,

01:42:48.220 which I can talk to you about,

01:42:49.000 but,

01:42:49.720 um,

01:42:51.040 I was,

01:42:51.520 I was,

01:42:52.020 I think I was recognizing in that,

01:42:55.660 that I had this,

01:42:58.120 that something had jumped the tracks in my brain.

01:43:00.300 Right.

01:43:00.960 And I was having a,

01:43:02.340 uh,

01:43:02.620 an incorrect response to a particular stimulus.

01:43:05.960 As a result of damage,

01:43:08.020 trauma,

01:43:08.400 whatever.

01:43:09.240 And that,

01:43:09.780 um,

01:43:11.080 and that it was a little bit like being a PTSD victim or,

01:43:13.940 or,

01:43:14.080 or some other kinds of sexual deviance.

01:43:15.920 Right.

01:43:16.860 Um,

01:43:17.400 and that I,

01:43:19.180 I knew,

01:43:20.360 I knew that I could train my way out of it because at the same time I had been

01:43:26.520 returning to the Catholic faith of my childhood.

01:43:29.520 And I had been speaking to a dear friend.

01:43:33.180 She's a very brilliant professor in Chicago.

01:43:36.080 She's a,

01:43:36.580 um,

01:43:37.720 world's leading expert on a Marian devotion in the middle ages.

01:43:40.240 And she's,

01:43:40.740 you know,

01:43:40.900 she was,

01:43:41.280 she was,

01:43:41.920 she was kind of like feeding me this rich material about,

01:43:44.520 you know,

01:43:44.700 training the soul in virtue.

01:43:45.680 And,

01:43:46.000 and,

01:43:46.200 and,

01:43:46.400 and I,

01:43:46.700 and I was,

01:43:47.440 I was like,

01:43:47.780 okay,

01:43:47.920 well,

01:43:48.040 if I can do it about that,

01:43:49.540 because I'm getting pretty good at that.

01:43:51.520 Like,

01:43:51.740 what about this?

01:43:52.920 And so I,

01:43:53.400 I did this stuff and,

01:43:54.920 and I,

01:43:55.880 and I,

01:43:56.160 I got myself as far as celibacy,

01:43:58.060 which is where I'm coming.

01:43:59.140 In January,

01:43:59.820 it'll be five years.

01:44:00.760 Um,

01:44:01.400 of celibacy.

01:44:02.280 Yeah.

01:44:02.480 And the good thing about the male libido is the less you have,

01:44:07.460 the less you want,

01:44:08.440 uh,

01:44:09.080 which married men can tell you is this is the only reason they're still married.

01:44:13.360 Um,

01:44:13.960 you know,

01:44:14.600 uh,

01:44:14.940 it's like sugar though.

01:44:15.880 The more you eat,

01:44:16.420 the more you want.

01:44:17.080 It is exactly like that.

01:44:18.200 Why?

01:44:18.500 Because it's an appetite,

01:44:19.720 not a sexual,

01:44:21.200 uh,

01:44:21.940 orientation.

01:44:22.600 It's an appetite.

01:44:23.200 It's an addiction.

01:44:24.920 Um,

01:44:25.520 and the more that you have cocaine or Adderall,

01:44:27.900 the more that you are likely on a given Tuesday afternoon to be like,

01:44:30.700 Ooh,

01:44:31.040 lime would be nice.

01:44:31.780 Or Ooh,

01:44:32.260 why don't I have a little,

01:44:33.380 little,

01:44:34.160 um,

01:44:34.460 little instant release,

01:44:35.320 30 milligrams.

01:44:35.900 I'll get me through the day.

01:44:36.560 You know,

01:44:37.360 um,

01:44:38.260 it works the same.

01:44:39.480 It functions the same.

01:44:40.680 It is the same.

01:44:41.380 I remember reading during the AIDS,

01:44:43.500 uh,

01:44:44.080 period,

01:44:44.600 about,

01:44:45.360 you know,

01:44:45.460 like the number of sexual partners a year,

01:44:47.860 which is like crazy high.

01:44:49.580 Um,

01:44:49.820 I think it's all banned.

01:44:50.600 I don't want to talk about it anymore,

01:44:51.540 but,

01:44:52.000 um,

01:44:53.400 uh,

01:44:53.840 and thinking,

01:44:54.460 you know,

01:44:54.820 if those were all like hot girls,

01:44:56.720 what I want to sleep with 75,

01:44:58.460 probably wouldn't be able to get through it.

01:45:00.640 Honestly,

01:45:01.040 I don't think most trade men would.

01:45:02.240 It'd be like,

01:45:02.620 yeah,

01:45:02.900 you know,

01:45:03.540 I mean,

01:45:04.180 you know,

01:45:04.460 men are obviously pigs and like variety and all that.

01:45:06.640 you've hit on something real,

01:45:07.900 which is that.

01:45:08.720 Well,

01:45:09.040 I'm trying to be as honest as I can.

01:45:10.380 I'm sure I'll be mocked for this,

01:45:11.440 but I did wonder like if it's,

01:45:13.000 could you go there's something wrong with the act itself?

01:45:15.580 If you're doing with that many people,

01:45:16.980 right?

01:45:17.700 Yes.

01:45:18.460 Now there's a component of it where it's like the,

01:45:21.760 the women are setting up the friction there.

01:45:24.760 They're the ones with the precious jewel.

01:45:27.140 You know,

01:45:28.260 they're setting up barriers to,

01:45:29.660 right?

01:45:30.160 Men will put out,

01:45:31.000 like if,

01:45:31.740 if a man wants to have sex,

01:45:32.780 like they're normally the person asking for the sex,

01:45:34.640 right?

01:45:34.840 Right.

01:45:35.020 They're normally the ones who are seeking the sex.

01:45:38.160 Women,

01:45:39.320 normally the ones who are,

01:45:40.500 I wouldn't say withholding it,

01:45:42.860 but regulating the access to it,

01:45:44.540 let's say,

01:45:45.180 as the enforcers.

01:45:46.080 For sure.

01:45:47.620 Take that away.

01:45:48.900 And of course,

01:45:49.800 and put two men on there and you're like,

01:45:51.200 well,

01:45:51.320 if they both want it,

01:45:52.000 they're both going to do it all the time.

01:45:52.880 Of course.

01:45:53.580 But that doesn't really explain.

01:45:56.600 Exactly.

01:45:57.120 Doesn't explain.

01:45:57.520 That was my thought.

01:45:58.480 It's like,

01:45:58.860 if there was no limit,

01:46:00.560 if,

01:46:00.860 if good looking women wanted to,

01:46:02.540 this is my younger self thinking this,

01:46:04.140 if they wanted to sleep with me as much as I want to sleep with them,

01:46:07.160 I still don't think I'd sleep with 75 of them in a year.

01:46:09.820 Cause that sounds kind of gross.

01:46:11.440 Well,

01:46:11.880 I mean,

01:46:12.300 by gay standards,

01:46:13.340 that's a practically celibate.

01:46:17.300 I mean,

01:46:18.340 maybe not these days with the boring gays that adopt the children who don't have sex with each other and just molest the kids.

01:46:23.140 But,

01:46:23.380 but by,

01:46:25.180 by the old fashioned gay standards of the taboo breaking promiscuous,

01:46:31.060 I mean,

01:46:31.300 I grew up in London.

01:46:34.140 Taking a lot of fucking drugs,

01:46:35.940 going to a lot of clubs,

01:46:37.320 going to Ibiza.

01:46:38.120 And then of course,

01:46:38.600 you know,

01:46:38.780 like in London,

01:46:39.380 you had a circuit of clubs,

01:46:41.640 trade and beyond and,

01:46:42.720 and,

01:46:43.000 and DTPM,

01:46:44.740 whatever.

01:46:45.580 It was like a circuit every weekend.

01:46:47.160 It was four continuous days,

01:46:48.540 right?

01:46:48.920 Which you could only really do with drugs.

01:46:50.360 And,

01:46:50.480 and during that time stops off for sex.

01:46:53.160 Um,

01:46:54.580 I mean,

01:46:55.020 75 is like,

01:46:56.760 takes you up to February.

01:46:59.060 Actually,

01:46:59.700 I mean,

01:47:00.640 I probably was a lot worse than usual and I,

01:47:02.940 group scenarios and whatever,

01:47:04.360 but yeah,

01:47:04.980 I mean,

01:47:06.480 it doesn't fully explain the grotesque extent.

01:47:09.680 And by the way,

01:47:10.680 it's always the gay couples that are basically lesbians that live sterile,

01:47:15.000 like they live these like sexless lives who are incensed when you dare to talk about gay promiscuity.

01:47:20.240 It's not because gay promiscuity doesn't exist.

01:47:21.680 It's because they don't have access to it.

01:47:23.080 Um,

01:47:24.060 uh,

01:47:24.460 but most gays do.

01:47:26.140 And what,

01:47:28.900 what we just,

01:47:29.860 what we are thinking about in our,

01:47:31.100 in our hypothetical example of,

01:47:32.480 of,

01:47:32.820 of two men doesn't explain the full grotesque extent of it.

01:47:36.680 And it's because there is something unsatisfying about gay sex.

01:47:41.400 Um,

01:47:42.080 well,

01:47:43.100 that was my assumption.

01:47:44.320 And you're correct.

01:47:45.420 And it's,

01:47:45.720 it's,

01:47:46.000 it's,

01:47:46.300 so,

01:47:50.040 so Catholic natural law and,

01:47:52.020 and,

01:47:52.300 and,

01:47:52.800 the way that a lot of therapies work,

01:47:54.340 they start with this presumption that things are working properly when they are performing the function for which they were designed.

01:48:01.260 Yes.

01:48:01.660 Right.

01:48:02.800 Clearly a,

01:48:04.000 an erect member going into the wrong orifice is not doing,

01:48:09.280 um,

01:48:09.820 is not performing the function for which it was designed.

01:48:11.500 Right.

01:48:12.080 So sex that ends that way too,

01:48:14.700 cannot possibly be satisfying.

01:48:16.680 It's not permissible,

01:48:18.040 uh,

01:48:18.620 spiritually.

01:48:19.260 It's not satisfying physically.

01:48:21.060 So if you take Catholic church,

01:48:22.740 church teaching,

01:48:23.140 for instance,

01:48:23.620 just,

01:48:23.740 I think that's real and that's true for eating and it's true for beauty and it's true for the sex is sterile.

01:48:29.480 But every pleasure that's like a righteous pleasure satisfies you.

01:48:34.260 Yeah.

01:48:35.040 Let only 15 of them.

01:48:36.220 Right.

01:48:36.520 But like justice feels good.

01:48:37.920 You know,

01:48:38.140 when you see somebody wicked get the comeuppance and you're like,

01:48:40.360 yeah,

01:48:40.860 and that feels like a lot of,

01:48:42.880 that feels,

01:48:43.880 it feels a little like,

01:48:45.360 um,

01:48:46.060 uh,

01:48:46.320 as you say,

01:48:46.880 righteous pleasures,

01:48:47.480 all of which tend toward the kind of satisfaction that you,

01:48:53.300 uh,

01:48:53.520 that a lot of people describe getting,

01:48:55.380 um,

01:48:56.400 in Holy Communion.

01:48:57.760 It's filling.

01:48:58.360 Right.

01:48:58.660 It is filling.

01:48:59.300 It is filling.

01:48:59.860 That little wafer is very filling.

01:49:01.260 Right.

01:49:01.940 Um,

01:49:02.760 the further you get away from that,

01:49:04.060 the less satisfying things are by volume,

01:49:06.540 if you like,

01:49:07.140 that tiny little wafer,

01:49:09.420 which is complete,

01:49:10.620 you feel like you don't need to feel,

01:49:14.600 eat,

01:49:15.940 drink,

01:49:16.860 think,

01:49:17.600 pray,

01:49:17.840 anything else the rest of your whole life,

01:49:18.880 you just feel like perfect in that moment.

01:49:20.420 Like,

01:49:20.680 like you have,

01:49:21.380 because you are just in that brief moment in dialogue with,

01:49:25.380 with our Lord in,

01:49:27.100 in some fashion.

01:49:29.580 And you're like,

01:49:30.640 that's my Sunday vibes,

01:49:32.920 you know,

01:49:33.260 like whatever it is.

01:49:34.600 And it's not until Monday morning that life kind of comes,

01:49:36.720 comes back at you.

01:49:37.780 The further you get away from that,

01:49:39.040 the more stuff you need to approach the same level of satisfaction.

01:49:42.420 Think about like,

01:49:43.380 um,

01:49:44.500 uh,

01:49:45.120 uh,

01:49:45.700 the,

01:49:45.900 the fake sugar you have,

01:49:46.800 right?

01:49:47.440 Uh,

01:49:47.840 over here.

01:49:48.340 Um,

01:49:48.820 the,

01:49:49.080 the,

01:49:49.240 the cornstarch,

01:49:50.080 whatever it's called,

01:49:51.120 how much Hershey's chocolate you have to eat to feel the same as two squares of

01:49:55.080 capris,

01:49:55.680 right?

01:49:57.020 Or how many Reese's peanut butter cups equals a steak?

01:50:00.120 Yeah,

01:50:00.540 yeah,

01:50:00.760 yeah,

01:50:00.920 exactly.

01:50:01.220 Well,

01:50:01.480 I really noticed that.

01:50:02.580 I mean,

01:50:02.800 by the way,

01:50:03.460 you,

01:50:03.860 you know,

01:50:04.280 Halloween candy,

01:50:05.100 you can,

01:50:05.960 I don't know,

01:50:06.440 I don't know much about calories,

01:50:07.620 but you could eat like millions of calories,

01:50:09.780 but you can eat six pounds of steak.

01:50:12.240 It's just not possible.

01:50:13.040 But the point is that not that sugar is bad necessarily,

01:50:16.480 but that,

01:50:17.160 um,

01:50:18.140 this fake sugar that has that waxy taste that's not really,

01:50:21.700 you need so much more of it to feel satisfied,

01:50:23.780 to get your sugar hit.

01:50:24.620 That is totally right.

01:50:25.360 And in so doing,

01:50:26.980 you have so many more calories,

01:50:28.760 right?

01:50:29.200 And you start to get fat.

01:50:31.180 And,

01:50:31.420 uh,

01:50:32.060 and,

01:50:32.400 and,

01:50:32.560 and then,

01:50:33.240 then,

01:50:33.620 then you need not just six Cokes,

01:50:35.220 but eight Cokes a day instead of one.

01:50:38.000 So,

01:50:38.380 so homosexual sex is sterile.

01:50:41.800 It's not capable of leading to production,

01:50:44.600 excuse me,

01:50:45.360 of procreation,

01:50:46.020 right?

01:50:46.480 Uh,

01:50:46.840 uh,

01:50:47.100 you cannot make a baby with gay sex.

01:50:49.300 It is spiritually unsatisfying in addition to being,

01:50:52.760 and of course these two things are connected physically unsatisfying too.

01:50:56.660 And when you start to think about like everything working,

01:51:02.740 performing the function for which it was designed,

01:51:05.060 like doing that for which it was intended,

01:51:08.000 you start to realize why gay sex is like,

01:51:10.420 is,

01:51:10.660 is,

01:51:10.900 is,

01:51:11.200 is not hitting,

01:51:12.140 you know?

01:51:12.920 And this is the basis.

01:51:14.180 This is the start.

01:51:14.960 This is where the therapy begins.

01:51:16.500 It begins.

01:51:17.320 But can I just ask you one last question before you describe how your life has changed?

01:51:21.080 And I don't mean to rush onto that.

01:51:22.260 No,

01:51:22.400 no,

01:51:22.620 no.

01:51:22.900 I'm fascinated by it,

01:51:23.780 but I,

01:51:24.160 I just find it so interesting.

01:51:24.920 So,

01:51:25.240 so you spent like an hour and 20 minutes describing the hell that you lived.

01:51:29.280 You thought it was hellish.

01:51:30.880 You left.

01:51:32.360 Um,

01:51:33.780 and you,

01:51:34.900 it sounds like you feel better and certainly resolved,

01:51:38.020 but you're not encouraged to feel that way.

01:51:40.740 Like there's something about the life,

01:51:42.400 that you live.

01:51:43.520 That's treated like a gang initiation or something like you can check in,

01:51:47.200 but you can never leave.

01:51:48.140 Like you're not welcome to leave.

01:51:50.080 Well,

01:51:50.300 just look at the comments.

01:51:51.240 You get like,

01:51:51.780 um,

01:51:52.460 forgive the language,

01:51:54.220 but,

01:51:54.660 um,

01:51:55.420 under every post that I will make online or every,

01:51:57.960 every,

01:51:58.640 you know,

01:51:58.940 on the rare occasion,

01:51:59.880 I might say something about this in an interview.

01:52:02.600 One phrase keeps popping up over and over again in the comments.

01:52:06.480 You can't unsuck a dick.

01:52:09.240 Meaning there's no salvation for you.

01:52:11.400 Once you're gay,

01:52:11.920 you're gay.

01:52:12.820 You're gay.

01:52:13.880 You're homosexual.

01:52:15.060 But that's it.

01:52:15.680 Who's pushing that?

01:52:16.460 The stain that that leaves,

01:52:18.760 right?

01:52:19.180 Which is profoundly,

01:52:20.400 and,

01:52:20.600 and,

01:52:20.800 and Christian.

01:52:21.400 I mean,

01:52:21.520 we think about Isaiah,

01:52:22.320 right?

01:52:22.520 You know,

01:52:22.780 your sins may be scarlet,

01:52:23.680 but they'll be washed white as snow.

01:52:25.600 Saul became Paul.

01:52:25.840 Saul became Paul.

01:52:27.180 Right.

01:52:27.640 Doesn't exist for these people.

01:52:29.700 And it's often leftist,

01:52:31.420 but not always.

01:52:34.800 Insisting on this permit,

01:52:36.320 the permanence of this stain.

01:52:38.080 And it's,

01:52:38.540 there's more to it than merely just,

01:52:40.340 I hate you and I want you to hurt or you're doing something stupid or whatever.

01:52:45.060 It's,

01:52:45.380 it's,

01:52:45.680 it's,

01:52:46.020 there's something more going on and it's people are terrified by the idea that this might not be an intrinsic part of a person's personality or nature.

01:53:02.260 Why?

01:53:02.740 Why are they afraid of that?

01:53:04.080 I thought we were for personal choice.

01:53:06.300 Well,

01:53:06.420 we're all a bit afraid of that,

01:53:07.560 aren't we?

01:53:07.820 Because we're all kind of like,

01:53:09.100 you know,

01:53:09.320 we see other people who are,

01:53:10.980 are,

01:53:11.620 um,

01:53:12.420 doing well in life or who have got themselves out of a sticky situation or,

01:53:16.820 you know,

01:53:17.100 who left their phone on the table when they went to the bathroom in the break,

01:53:20.100 um,

01:53:20.680 or whatever.

01:53:22.380 And,

01:53:22.800 and who,

01:53:23.520 um,

01:53:25.440 and who lash out against others who do seem to be achieving something.

01:53:32.420 Redemptive.

01:53:33.580 And isn't it true that one of those characterizations of the demons is that they're,

01:53:38.480 you know,

01:53:39.560 in the presence of the light and the presence of good of the word of God,

01:53:43.200 they hiss and spit.

01:53:45.240 Right.

01:53:46.160 And it's not necessarily these people are gay themselves,

01:53:48.440 but they,

01:53:48.720 they took to confront the horror that a gay person might be able to un-gay means that whatever,

01:53:57.280 whatever you've got going in your life,

01:53:59.040 you could fix easy,

01:53:59.980 you know,

01:54:00.520 but you don't want to,

01:54:01.880 do you?

01:54:02.240 You don't want to get better.

01:54:03.220 You don't want to stop.

01:54:05.120 Because if he can stop having sex with men,

01:54:09.380 knowing what a powerful compulsion urge that is for most men,

01:54:13.020 you know,

01:54:14.380 that might mean I have to stop drinking.

01:54:16.240 That might mean I have to stop taking drugs.

01:54:18.500 That might mean I have to stop being a fat ass.

01:54:21.220 That might mean I have to stop being cruel,

01:54:24.040 being vindictive,

01:54:25.180 abusive,

01:54:25.680 malicious.

01:54:25.960 And I think that part of it is certainly that we have become a society that encourages vice over virtue,

01:54:36.560 that aggressively pushes sin.

01:54:38.820 Yes.

01:54:39.740 Why?

01:54:40.980 Because dumb,

01:54:42.980 dependent people are easier to control because dumb,

01:54:45.980 dependent people living paycheck to paycheck enslaved not only to,

01:54:50.880 and we,

01:54:51.260 and we live in a particularly evil environment now where we're not just enslaved to things,

01:54:59.300 we're enslaved to the mechanisms by which we get them.

01:55:02.100 Compound interest,

01:55:03.460 you know,

01:55:03.760 you know,

01:55:04.340 our,

01:55:04.560 our,

01:55:04.780 our car payments,

01:55:05.840 all this kind of stuff,

01:55:06.320 like 50 year mortgages.

01:55:08.160 Yeah.

01:55:08.320 Thanks Trump.

01:55:09.320 How many years of that are we just paying down the interest before we own a brick in the house?

01:55:13.460 You know,

01:55:14.120 we're now enslaved to these,

01:55:16.380 these like meta addictions or these additional layers of,

01:55:19.400 of problem,

01:55:19.980 which mean that we can't even do anything about our lives because one missed paycheck.

01:55:23.200 And we're,

01:55:23.440 you know,

01:55:24.600 we can't do anything.

01:55:25.920 Totally true.

01:55:26.420 We can't do anything about it because we're locked in from every single angle into our addictions,

01:55:31.300 into our compulsions,

01:55:32.600 into the bad food that we eat at the supermarket because it's cheap.

01:55:35.900 And the,

01:55:36.560 and the TV we watch,

01:55:37.840 we know we shouldn't.

01:55:38.540 And the video games that are fine by themselves,

01:55:40.460 but which,

01:55:40.840 you know,

01:55:41.220 20 hours,

01:55:41.940 20 hours over the weekend,

01:55:43.000 like that's a lot,

01:55:43.640 bro.

01:55:44.040 You know,

01:55:44.560 just all this stuff and it's packaged and it's pushed and it's encouraged.

01:55:48.720 And just look at the sponsors.

01:55:50.900 I looked at the sponsors of Jimmy Kimmel's show when he was taken off the air.

01:55:57.260 And it's donuts and banks.

01:55:59.500 Look at the sponsors of Jimmy Kimmel's show and you're like,

01:56:03.380 oh my God,

01:56:04.320 like these are evil,

01:56:06.460 wretched,

01:56:07.000 terrible people who just want you fat,

01:56:09.720 stupid,

01:56:10.400 and quiet.

01:56:12.380 There's no question in my mind you're telling the truth.

01:56:15.580 It's too obvious.

01:56:17.200 They want you dumb independent.

01:56:18.300 And do you think the relentless promotion of homosexuality is part of that?

01:56:22.800 Because it is relentlessly,

01:56:24.480 tirelessly promoted,

01:56:25.880 period.

01:56:26.560 Anyone says it's not,

01:56:27.420 it's a liar.

01:56:27.980 It's more incapacitating.

01:56:30.260 What is more incapacitating?

01:56:31.300 Having no control over your own sexual desires.

01:56:32.980 And just look at how comfy capitalism has made itself with homosexuals.

01:56:39.680 Like,

01:56:40.080 oh,

01:56:40.420 you've got no kids?

01:56:41.380 Well,

01:56:41.540 perhaps you'd like these designer clothes.

01:56:43.400 You know,

01:56:43.880 oh,

01:56:44.320 you don't have any dependents?

01:56:45.660 Well,

01:56:45.880 maybe you'd like to spend way more than you should on this cruise.

01:56:48.920 You know,

01:56:49.320 or whatever.

01:56:50.560 I mean,

01:56:50.840 a boat cruise.

01:56:51.300 You know,

01:56:52.160 oh,

01:56:52.880 all your disposable income is yours to spend.

01:56:56.960 Well,

01:56:57.460 perhaps you'd like to try.

01:56:58.800 We do have a special this evening,

01:57:00.540 sir.

01:57:01.700 Like,

01:57:02.180 our pan roasted blah,

01:57:04.000 blah,

01:57:04.140 blah,

01:57:04.300 blah,

01:57:04.460 blah,

01:57:04.620 blah.

01:57:05.460 You know,

01:57:05.900 they used to call it the pink pound in England.

01:57:09.140 This disproportionate ability of gays to spend,

01:57:13.920 which has a reinforcing effect.

01:57:16.020 It's like a,

01:57:16.740 like a,

01:57:17.740 I don't know the economic term,

01:57:19.740 but you probably do.

01:57:20.600 It has like a,

01:57:21.320 a magnifying or,

01:57:22.580 or,

01:57:22.820 or,

01:57:23.080 or,

01:57:23.280 or a fortifying effect because of course,

01:57:26.120 gays spend more.

01:57:26.800 So you market more to gays.

01:57:27.880 So you get more,

01:57:28.520 you know,

01:57:28.800 so you get more of them.

01:57:30.260 Yes.

01:57:30.840 And then other people begin to acquire gay taste,

01:57:33.300 which has happened to women and is now happening to men because it's seen as a prestige or a luxury or a,

01:57:38.880 or a desirable kind of lifestyle.

01:57:40.340 So you see men as the charming ladies of YouTube would tell us,

01:57:45.240 thagatized,

01:57:46.180 who are,

01:57:46.980 are,

01:57:47.300 are acquiring gay habits and get like,

01:57:50.340 I mean like soul cycle for it.

01:57:51.760 I mean,

01:57:51.980 please,

01:57:53.320 uh,

01:57:53.480 like what are these people doing?

01:57:55.720 It's like,

01:57:56.160 you're in Lycra and you want me to see your ass.

01:57:58.180 Got it.

01:57:58.560 Cause this is doing nothing.

01:58:01.000 What are their gay habits or men acquiring?

01:58:04.280 Uh,

01:58:04.820 definitely,

01:58:05.720 um,

01:58:06.360 uh,

01:58:06.620 food,

01:58:07.240 which I mean,

01:58:07.880 like if you're,

01:58:10.200 if you're a chap,

01:58:12.520 as far as in the hotel last night,

01:58:13.820 um,

01:58:15.020 as I was thinking about this show and I looked at the menu and I was like,

01:58:18.360 there's nothing on here for men.

01:58:20.260 And it was all these like seafood,

01:58:23.700 um,

01:58:24.480 uh,

01:58:24.940 a bit,

01:58:25.380 but,

01:58:25.580 but,

01:58:25.680 but hand,

01:58:26.760 whatever.

01:58:27.240 And the guy that was serving me had a huge ginger beard.

01:58:30.560 Um,

01:58:31.700 God bless him.

01:58:32.600 And,

01:58:33.100 and I said,

01:58:33.560 you don't eat here.

01:58:35.000 And he said,

01:58:35.920 well,

01:58:36.160 and I said,

01:58:36.460 you don't eat here.

01:58:37.220 Where do you eat?

01:58:37.740 And he said,

01:58:38.020 I said,

01:58:38.300 okay,

01:58:38.480 fine.

01:58:38.920 And I said,

01:58:39.460 is there anything on here that you would eat aside from this?

01:58:42.100 Uh,

01:58:42.460 and it didn't say how big the filet was,

01:58:43.900 but I was like,

01:58:44.460 what is it?

01:58:44.820 Six ounces.

01:58:45.820 We need four of those.

01:58:46.980 And he was like,

01:58:47.660 yeah.

01:58:47.940 You wouldn't eat anything because there's nothing for men on the menu.

01:58:53.800 Cause it's all this like airy fairy,

01:58:55.380 unsatisfying calorie rich,

01:58:57.360 full of like,

01:58:58.300 you know,

01:58:58.580 flavor,

01:58:59.220 but no protein food for girls.

01:59:02.860 All food for girls.

01:59:03.760 Look at the menu in your favorite restaurant.

01:59:05.220 Look at the menu in every restaurant.

01:59:06.640 There's no food for men on it.

01:59:07.700 I mean,

01:59:09.460 like where,

01:59:10.240 where is it?

01:59:11.620 Uh,

01:59:11.860 even,

01:59:12.180 even like a heroic meat,

01:59:13.580 like lamb.

01:59:16.180 It's like $78 to this little,

01:59:19.000 this little,

01:59:19.460 like,

01:59:20.200 thanks.

01:59:21.680 Thanks so much.

01:59:23.580 What is that?

01:59:24.480 That's not man food.

01:59:25.980 So food for sure.

01:59:27.640 I mean,

01:59:27.880 clothing,

01:59:28.460 let's not even,

01:59:29.520 um,

01:59:30.220 uh,

01:59:30.860 uh,

01:59:32.300 sexual habits.

01:59:33.540 Women,

01:59:33.920 uh,

01:59:34.400 have become thagatized by,

01:59:36.300 by the promiscuity culture.

01:59:37.700 That their gay best friends,

01:59:38.740 um,

01:59:39.180 you know,

01:59:39.440 like to,

01:59:40.400 to sort of have a nudge and a wink kind of relationship with like,

01:59:43.160 oh,

01:59:43.260 I don't do it,

01:59:43.980 but who's this?

01:59:44.680 Oh,

01:59:45.120 just Jamal.

01:59:46.160 Uh,

01:59:46.340 you know,

01:59:46.920 you know,

01:59:48.380 um,

01:59:49.060 uh,

01:59:50.520 who's this?

01:59:51.080 That's not the guy that you were with like three days ago.

01:59:53.200 Quiet girl.

01:59:54.520 Um,

01:59:54.980 sorry about her.

01:59:55.820 You know,

01:59:56.100 like just all that kind of stuff.

01:59:57.400 Um,

01:59:58.000 and,

01:59:58.280 and,

01:59:58.460 and men,

01:59:59.220 just the way in which the self-destructive,

02:00:04.280 um,

02:00:05.620 sacrifice,

02:00:06.320 uh,

02:00:06.660 uh,

02:00:06.800 self-sacrifice,

02:00:07.560 the,

02:00:07.780 the,

02:00:07.960 the relinquishment of,

02:00:09.140 of,

02:00:09.420 of the will to the most addictive version of everything is very gay.

02:00:16.520 Very gay.

02:00:17.240 Most addictive version of everything.

02:00:19.320 So like if gay sex is like addiction,

02:00:22.060 where it just floods your mind with like the chemicals where you can't get it out of your head,

02:00:26.400 like we were talking about right at the beginning.

02:00:27.600 Yeah.

02:00:28.360 Well,

02:00:28.560 the food has become like that and the clothes have become like that.

02:00:32.080 And,

02:00:32.360 and,

02:00:32.760 and,

02:00:32.860 you know,

02:00:33.160 like men buying designer clothes has always been a bit sussed to me.

02:00:36.820 Oh,

02:00:37.020 I totally agree.

02:00:38.040 Like I'm,

02:00:38.460 I mean,

02:00:38.700 I do it because I'm like,

02:00:40.080 I've got about another three years where I can still get away with this.

02:00:42.560 And then I'm going to have to just be straight.

02:00:43.900 But,

02:00:44.300 but,

02:00:44.340 but,

02:00:44.700 but,

02:00:44.900 you know,

02:00:45.200 but,

02:00:45.880 well,

02:00:46.580 I can still do it,

02:00:47.680 you know,

02:00:48.140 and then I'm going to have to find like some,

02:00:49.560 some,

02:00:49.980 like,

02:00:50.660 uh,

02:00:51.200 I'm going to have to find my own nudge and a wink thing.

02:00:52.860 Like,

02:00:53.040 oh no,

02:00:53.480 they're not Dr.

02:00:54.100 Romano.

02:00:54.400 They're Arulano.

02:00:55.160 Oh,

02:00:55.360 that's the,

02:00:55.720 it's the,

02:00:56.140 um,

02:00:56.560 it's the late Pope Benedict XVI's,

02:00:58.500 uh,

02:00:58.780 favorite shoemaker from,

02:00:59.900 you faggot ass.

02:01:01.620 You know,

02:01:02.020 stop it.

02:01:03.520 Uh,

02:01:03.720 you know,

02:01:03.880 I'm going to have to give all this up.

02:01:04.960 But,

02:01:05.500 um,

02:01:06.560 but somebody's been heterosexual all their life.

02:01:08.000 Like,

02:01:13.900 what are you doing?

02:01:14.600 It's Chanel that doesn't do men's clothes.

02:01:15.920 Um,

02:01:16.220 what are you doing in Dr.

02:01:17.080 Gabbana?

02:01:17.480 What are you doing in Versace?

02:01:18.820 Why are you spending a thousand dollars on a pair of shoes?

02:01:22.040 That is not like a,

02:01:23.240 uh,

02:01:24.020 like a tactical or a,

02:01:26.100 and even that stuff.

02:01:27.120 Oh my God.

02:01:28.240 Like the,

02:01:28.660 the faggotization of like the,

02:01:30.880 of the,

02:01:31.840 you know,

02:01:32.280 you can go,

02:01:32.620 now you can go to Cryptech and you can get the,

02:01:34.620 um,

02:01:35.020 Versace of camo.

02:01:36.100 Uh,

02:01:36.700 it's just like,

02:01:38.700 which,

02:01:38.960 which their salespeople will even call it that.

02:01:41.120 Not on the website because men don't like that.

02:01:42.620 but,

02:01:42.680 but,

02:01:43.180 you know,

02:01:43.540 like,

02:01:43.900 there's now like designer camo,

02:01:45.520 uh,

02:01:46.520 where it's like,

02:01:47.180 I mean,

02:01:47.580 I know I have it,

02:01:48.360 but,

02:01:48.460 uh,

02:01:48.700 but,

02:01:49.160 you know,

02:01:51.920 uh,

02:01:53.060 faggotize,

02:01:54.040 faggotize.

02:01:54.640 Everything is,

02:01:55.020 look at the consumatories.

02:01:55.760 Who's making these decisions?

02:01:56.980 Women.

02:01:57.620 And we,

02:01:57.920 and we have this women,

02:01:58.940 women in the marketing departments,

02:02:00.620 women in the,

02:02:01.080 in the advertising,

02:02:01.980 women on social media,

02:02:03.000 everything's going gay.

02:02:04.000 And,

02:02:04.480 and,

02:02:04.780 and,

02:02:05.200 and it's,

02:02:05.980 it's justified.

02:02:07.020 And just the same way the pink pound is self-reinforcing this thing.

02:02:09.580 We always say,

02:02:10.100 Oh,

02:02:10.340 women make most of the purchasing decisions in most houses.

02:02:12.740 Shut up.

02:02:13.340 Like it doesn't mean every man has to go out looking like he wants to drop on his knees in a,

02:02:17.660 in a,

02:02:17.960 in a,

02:02:18.300 um,

02:02:19.000 in a,

02:02:19.240 in a public park or in a toilet,

02:02:21.200 just because,

02:02:21.740 just because his wife chooses what washing powder they use.

02:02:25.500 Like,

02:02:25.800 stop it.

02:02:28.100 Everything has gone gay.

02:02:29.680 Everything's gone gay.

02:02:30.300 I mean,

02:02:31.040 it just,

02:02:31.460 just,

02:02:31.700 just every bit of life.

02:02:32.620 I mean,

02:02:32.780 music,

02:02:33.460 um,

02:02:33.940 I mean,

02:02:34.220 now we,

02:02:34.640 now we force heterosexuals to listen to Lil Nas X,

02:02:37.360 um,

02:02:37.920 you know,

02:02:38.400 and,

02:02:38.720 and,

02:02:38.900 and,

02:02:39.480 and this sort of,

02:02:40.440 um,

02:02:41.400 you know,

02:02:41.720 endless turnover of,

02:02:42.860 of,

02:02:43.120 of,

02:02:43.760 of preening homosexual crooners,

02:02:46.080 um,

02:02:46.440 that we call pop stars.

02:02:47.760 There aren't any anymore because,

02:02:49.000 um,

02:02:50.000 you know,

02:02:50.780 pop stars require a kind of like heroic manly virtue,

02:02:53.640 I think,

02:02:54.180 that is just,

02:02:54.660 just gone now.

02:02:55.600 It's just not there anymore.

02:02:56.340 So if you wanted to weaken a society to the point of collapse,

02:02:59.240 faggotize it,

02:03:00.540 it's not feminization.

02:03:02.920 That's a,

02:03:03.340 that's a mistake to believe that.

02:03:04.980 It's not,

02:03:05.740 society is not becoming feminized.

02:03:07.420 It's becoming faggotized.

02:03:09.540 It's become,

02:03:10.420 it's,

02:03:10.620 it's,

02:03:10.980 it has been gayed,

02:03:13.220 you know,

02:03:14.120 and it's,

02:03:15.140 um,

02:03:16.680 and,

02:03:16.980 and,

02:03:17.100 and it's,

02:03:17.520 it's like the difference between effeminacy and femininity,

02:03:21.280 right?

02:03:21.860 You look carefully at the behaviors.

02:03:23.640 It's like,

02:03:23.820 it might've started off feminized,

02:03:26.220 like you said,

02:03:26.740 oh,

02:03:26.820 the HR departments have kind of like feminized language in the

02:03:29.120 corporate sphere and blah,

02:03:30.740 blah.

02:03:30.840 It might've started that way,

02:03:31.920 but the gays took over very soon afterwards.

02:03:34.560 And so now we don't have a feminized public square.

02:03:37.780 We have a faggotized public square.

02:03:39.260 And it's hardly surprising given that everybody in Congress and

02:03:42.100 everybody in the Senate and everybody in the party and

02:03:44.000 everybody on TV and everybody else that you've ever heard of on

02:03:46.580 television and everybody on all the TV shows are gay.

02:03:50.160 It's not a shocker.

02:03:52.560 This would be the result.

02:03:53.400 Cause even if they might be living,

02:03:55.120 um,

02:03:58.420 uh,

02:03:58.840 uh,

02:03:59.120 DL lives,

02:04:00.200 they still like what they like and they're still going to do it.

02:04:03.440 Oh yeah.

02:04:04.160 So let's have that little cocktail,

02:04:05.680 you know,

02:04:05.840 like they still do it.

02:04:06.660 You see a DC,

02:04:07.420 like these,

02:04:07.660 these,

02:04:08.280 these,

02:04:08.500 these men in DC,

02:04:09.760 like drinking their little champagnes and things.

02:04:12.040 So when you are,

02:04:13.940 I mean,

02:04:14.260 a lot of this,

02:04:14.840 it's like walking into a room full of women and there's all this

02:04:17.500 stuff going on,

02:04:18.020 but you have no idea what it is.

02:04:19.440 It's a daily occurrence for me,

02:04:21.920 but,

02:04:22.140 um,

02:04:22.680 you know,

02:04:23.160 something's going on,

02:04:23.900 but you,

02:04:24.240 you know,

02:04:25.020 you don't quite get the right,

02:04:26.300 right.

02:04:26.480 But it's the wrong frequency.

02:04:27.740 You're not recognizing it because it's not feminine.

02:04:29.440 Cause you'd recognize it.

02:04:30.180 If it was feminine,

02:04:30.660 you'd know what you were looking at.

02:04:31.800 But when you go to Washington,

02:04:33.280 when you were flitting around Washington as a,

02:04:36.860 when,

02:04:37.080 what was your dangerous faggot tour?

02:04:39.120 Is that what it was called?

02:04:39.900 Yes.

02:04:40.180 I think,

02:04:40.540 I think the verb would be flit.

02:04:42.460 Or perhaps flounce.

02:04:44.740 There was some flouncing.

02:04:45.980 I saw it.

02:04:47.100 There was,

02:04:47.640 there was a bit of flouncing.

02:04:48.540 Do you know,

02:04:48.800 the funny story,

02:04:49.900 perfect,

02:04:50.440 sorry to cut you off.

02:04:51.300 No, no, no.

02:04:51.420 Again,

02:04:51.660 I've been doing the whole day,

02:04:52.260 but,

02:04:52.720 um,

02:04:53.300 uh,

02:04:53.640 a perfect illustration of the faggotization of society.

02:04:56.840 I'm,

02:04:57.440 my bus,

02:04:58.160 my giant dangerous faggot tour bus is in a parking lot,

02:05:00.900 um,

02:05:01.600 just outside Washington DC.

02:05:03.120 And,

02:05:03.720 um,

02:05:04.600 uh,

02:05:04.940 Mike Pence's advanced team are planning to put him in the same hotel.

02:05:08.560 And they have to change.

02:05:09.980 No,

02:05:10.240 no,

02:05:10.760 stop.

02:05:11.280 But they have to change.

02:05:12.200 I mean,

02:05:12.380 he's like spiritually gay for sure,

02:05:14.160 but,

02:05:14.300 but he has to change hotels and divert his,

02:05:17.520 I mean,

02:05:17.660 this is the,

02:05:18.160 the,

02:05:18.620 you know,

02:05:18.860 this is the incoming vice president of the United States,

02:05:20.640 right?

02:05:21.380 Uh,

02:05:21.700 to make way for the faggot.

02:05:25.660 Just saying.

02:05:26.680 It wasn't like,

02:05:27.760 not the first time.

02:05:28.620 They could,

02:05:28.880 they could have come to me and said,

02:05:31.060 would you mind?

02:05:31.520 Cause we have like the,

02:05:32.360 the,

02:05:32.400 the,

02:05:32.700 the,

02:05:33.000 the vice president elect,

02:05:34.580 like whatever,

02:05:35.260 or,

02:05:35.600 or coming in.

02:05:36.600 Well,

02:05:36.720 I mean,

02:05:36.960 this is 2017.

02:05:37.600 So he is the vice president by then.

02:05:38.840 Um,

02:05:39.240 uh,

02:05:39.640 uh,

02:05:39.820 you know,

02:05:39.980 we have the vice president,

02:05:41.000 you know,

02:05:41.260 coming through like,

02:05:42.040 would you,

02:05:42.300 and we would have said,

02:05:42.960 yeah,

02:05:43.080 sure.

02:05:43.340 We'll,

02:05:43.580 we'll,

02:05:43.740 we'll,

02:05:44.040 you know,

02:05:44.540 we'll go to the,

02:05:45.300 we'll go to the residence in.

02:05:46.780 Um,

02:05:47.260 but no,

02:05:47.700 they just,

02:05:48.220 they just changed all of his plans,

02:05:50.300 not mine,

02:05:51.000 to make way,

02:05:51.660 to make space for the faggot.

02:05:54.160 Perfect analogy,

02:05:54.840 isn't it?

02:05:55.180 Perfect.

02:05:55.760 But you picked up that vibe a lot when you were in Washington.

02:05:58.440 Oh my God.

02:05:59.440 The number of people who,

02:06:00.740 sorry,

02:06:01.120 you told me you don't help people.

02:06:03.860 Um,

02:06:04.360 no,

02:06:04.660 I mean,

02:06:04.960 I think allegations have been roundly disproven,

02:06:07.260 haven't they?

02:06:07.860 Um,

02:06:08.160 no,

02:06:08.340 but you know,

02:06:08.820 the number of people who were just,

02:06:10.780 I mean,

02:06:11.060 they didn't quite say hop on my lap,

02:06:12.840 but.

02:06:14.360 So you,

02:06:15.220 I mean,

02:06:15.480 cause you're on that,

02:06:16.440 wavelength.

02:06:16.940 Well,

02:06:17.060 10 years ago,

02:06:17.560 I was very beautiful.

02:06:19.140 And,

02:06:19.520 uh,

02:06:19.920 I didn't notice.

02:06:22.040 Um,

02:06:22.360 no,

02:06:22.520 of course you didn't notice.

02:06:24.180 I've been upset about it ever since.

02:06:30.740 Tucker never said I was,

02:06:32.120 no,

02:06:32.720 um,

02:06:33.080 uh,

02:06:33.560 no,

02:06:33.760 I was,

02:06:33.940 I was very good looking,

02:06:34.880 you know,

02:06:35.060 I was in shape and was the rest of it.

02:06:36.220 And,

02:06:36.360 and,

02:06:36.540 and,

02:06:36.900 and now,

02:06:37.840 I mean,

02:06:37.980 it was,

02:06:38.320 it was,

02:06:38.840 it was like a daily avalanche.

02:06:41.140 Really?

02:06:41.720 Never needed to visit Niagara Falls.

02:06:43.480 I just,

02:06:44.300 just like,

02:06:45.280 it was like,

02:06:45.620 I've got a,

02:06:46.780 I've got,

02:06:47.240 I've got a giant torrent,

02:06:48.860 uh,

02:06:49.100 coming out.

02:06:50.000 Let me,

02:06:50.480 let me,

02:06:50.700 I won't finish that metaphor,

02:06:51.580 but,

02:06:52.080 um,

02:06:52.420 no,

02:06:52.620 it's just,

02:06:52.880 just,

02:06:53.120 just,

02:06:53.460 no,

02:06:53.680 it's like a torrent.

02:06:54.800 So how has your life changed day to day now that you're celibate and getting away from

02:07:01.120 trying to over,

02:07:03.120 overcome your gay sexual impulses?

02:07:07.080 I don't really have them anymore.

02:07:08.360 Not,

02:07:08.580 not,

02:07:09.000 not often.

02:07:10.560 Um,

02:07:11.220 my life is,

02:07:14.020 so,

02:07:14.340 so I've learned,

02:07:15.900 well,

02:07:17.520 the first thing to say is that dogs have stopped barking at me.

02:07:20.080 What?

02:07:20.840 Um,

02:07:22.300 I mean,

02:07:22.580 I used to set dogs off,

02:07:23.880 like really set dogs off.

02:07:25.900 Like they would go crazy around me.

02:07:27.820 And when I stopped,

02:07:28.720 yeah,

02:07:29.340 yeah.

02:07:29.680 With hostility or affection?

02:07:31.020 I mean,

02:07:31.300 they can sense evil,

02:07:31.980 you know,

02:07:32.620 um,

02:07:33.820 my spiritual director.

02:07:35.240 I can only tell this joke because it's my spiritual director that said it.

02:07:39.800 I said,

02:07:40.440 do you think it's because they can sense evil?

02:07:42.180 He said,

02:07:42.500 no,

02:07:42.740 it's because you don't smell like blacks anymore.

02:07:48.500 Look,

02:07:49.040 the priest said it.

02:07:50.840 Let the record reflect.

02:07:51.900 I'm not laughing.

02:07:52.360 Uh,

02:07:53.740 you know,

02:07:54.140 dogs have,

02:07:54.660 dog,

02:07:54.880 dogs have a famous,

02:07:56.140 complex relationship with,

02:07:58.020 with,

02:07:58.300 with certain people.

02:07:59.520 Um,

02:07:59.720 uh,

02:08:01.540 I'm sure that's not what it was,

02:08:02.580 but,

02:08:02.900 but,

02:08:03.180 um,

02:08:03.420 maybe,

02:08:04.120 no,

02:08:04.380 but,

02:08:04.500 but,

02:08:04.760 um,

02:08:06.200 you know,

02:08:06.520 the biggest thing that happened to me,

02:08:09.060 wait,

02:08:09.520 can't you stop?

02:08:10.080 Did dogs,

02:08:10.640 are you being serious about dogs?

02:08:12.120 I'm a hundred percent serious.

02:08:12.920 I mean,

02:08:13.080 like there's a two photos of me,

02:08:15.120 like snuggling with puppies,

02:08:16.700 like,

02:08:17.000 okay,

02:08:17.200 you got me.

02:08:17.740 But other than that,

02:08:18.660 almost every other dog,

02:08:20.240 like would just go nuts anywhere around me.

02:08:22.300 Uh,

02:08:22.500 my,

02:08:22.800 my,

02:08:23.260 I set up a loving firm last year with a friend and,

02:08:25.800 and,

02:08:26.220 um,

02:08:26.680 and her dogs just went,

02:08:29.060 any time I was even in the vicinity until I started making these changes.

02:08:34.460 And then it was like,

02:08:35.520 and now they're like,

02:08:39.400 it's,

02:08:40.100 it's,

02:08:40.200 it's bizarre.

02:08:41.580 I,

02:08:42.040 I mean,

02:08:42.420 I'm a cat person now cause I kind of have to be,

02:08:44.480 but,

02:08:44.760 but,

02:08:45.080 um,

02:08:45.360 but I'm a great lover of dogs.

02:08:47.840 Like,

02:08:48.160 I think you are too.

02:08:49.260 Yes.

02:08:49.520 Um,

02:08:49.800 a great lover of dogs and,

02:08:51.660 you know,

02:08:52.240 what they lack in intellectual sophistication,

02:08:54.720 uh,

02:08:55.280 versus their feline,

02:08:56.580 uh,

02:08:56.880 compatriots.

02:08:57.580 They make up for in like intuition,

02:08:59.540 you know,

02:08:59.880 they do like,

02:09:00.640 like,

02:09:00.800 they're like babies.

02:09:01.500 They're like,

02:09:01.660 they got a little Holy spirit in them or something.

02:09:03.020 They're just like,

02:09:03.500 they know good guys from bad guys.

02:09:05.040 Dogs just couldn't be around me.

02:09:07.180 That's amazing.

02:09:08.280 I mean,

02:09:08.640 I'm sure not all gay people have that thing,

02:09:10.480 but,

02:09:10.720 but it's just a,

02:09:11.320 uh,

02:09:11.600 just a sign of something that changed.

02:09:13.200 The biggest thing that changed me though,

02:09:14.440 which is not like a big,

02:09:16.360 the biggest thing to me,

02:09:17.400 because I live quite an internal life,

02:09:18.780 you know,

02:09:18.940 like most of my,

02:09:19.640 most of my life is up here.

02:09:20.520 Right.

02:09:21.380 Um,

02:09:21.980 the biggest thing that happened to me is I started caring what happened in stories.

02:09:26.820 Like spoilers started to bother me and I couldn't figure out what that was about.

02:09:31.300 Um,

02:09:31.980 like 10 years ago when the Star Wars movie came out just before Christmas,

02:09:36.780 when no one had had the chance to see it,

02:09:38.260 I tweeted,

02:09:39.020 Han Solo dies,

02:09:40.120 uh,

02:09:40.540 you know,

02:09:41.000 like a thousand people unfollowed me.

02:09:42.620 I thought,

02:09:42.800 how could you,

02:09:43.500 ah,

02:09:43.820 you know,

02:09:44.100 you're the worst person.

02:09:45.240 I was like,

02:09:45.620 what are you talking about?

02:09:46.600 It's like a stupid space movie.

02:09:48.100 Like get a grip.

02:09:49.440 But I started to care maybe because I started to care what happens to me.

02:09:54.180 I've started to care what happens in stories.

02:09:56.180 Like the plot matters.

02:09:57.560 I'm no longer just looking at the surface,

02:10:00.260 at the,

02:10:01.440 um,

02:10:02.260 well,

02:10:02.460 at the surfaces.

02:10:03.600 And I'm not looking at the dresses on the women or the accents,

02:10:08.280 or,

02:10:08.600 or at least not just looking at those things anymore.

02:10:10.320 Like,

02:10:10.800 I want to know that the story has a happy ending.

02:10:15.340 Because I think,

02:10:16.260 you know,

02:10:17.180 cleaving to my faith more closely,

02:10:18.800 I've become more aware that the universe has a happy ending and I want a happy ending.

02:10:23.860 And that's the biggest thing that's happened to me,

02:10:27.320 like in my,

02:10:27.840 in my head,

02:10:28.340 in my soul,

02:10:29.020 you know?

02:10:29.700 Did you not care about yourself as much?

02:10:32.380 No,

02:10:32.680 of course not.

02:10:33.340 Of course not.

02:10:34.020 But I've gone from,

02:10:34.960 I went from somebody who liked Oscar Wilde because I liked the witty lines and the sparkling surface of it,

02:10:43.040 to somebody who appreciates instead now,

02:10:48.800 or at least reads it differently now for the subversion,

02:10:53.380 for the little eddies in language he uses,

02:10:55.480 which are meant to show,

02:10:57.220 you know,

02:10:57.560 this kind of like disintegrating way of life.

02:11:00.080 And I read it historically now.

02:11:03.660 History,

02:11:04.080 like I never read history books because nothing mattered before or after.

02:11:08.360 It's just like today because I'm in a grip of an addiction.

02:11:11.220 But now I read biographies.

02:11:12.580 I never did that before.

02:11:14.660 Well,

02:11:15.060 because a narcissist doesn't care about other people's lives.

02:11:17.340 Right.

02:11:17.500 But I knew,

02:11:17.840 I knew stuff,

02:11:18.680 but I didn't like,

02:11:19.660 I didn't want to know details.

02:11:21.300 And I,

02:11:21.520 and I,

02:11:21.860 now I feel,

02:11:23.840 I mean,

02:11:24.160 Myers-Briggs is a lot of old shit,

02:11:25.580 but,

02:11:25.900 but I'm like my,

02:11:27.680 my personality type,

02:11:29.260 such as it is,

02:11:30.000 it's completely changed.

02:11:31.360 And I don't know exactly.

02:11:34.000 Yeah.

02:11:34.860 I mean,

02:11:35.300 I know I look and sound like pretty similar,

02:11:37.440 but the way that I,

02:11:39.660 because I have the same sense of humor,

02:11:40.560 like I have some bits of personality that I have,

02:11:42.080 but the way that I acquire information has changed.

02:11:45.500 Like I,

02:11:46.040 like,

02:11:46.780 I forget the distinctions because it is a lot of shit,

02:11:49.380 but,

02:11:49.720 but you know,

02:11:50.180 like the intuitive to the sensory or whatever,

02:11:52.640 it feels,

02:11:53.120 it feels now like I can,

02:11:54.580 I feel more in tune now.

02:12:00.200 Like before there was kind of like a sheet of glass,

02:12:02.300 like some critical ironic distance between me and the world.

02:12:04.280 Yes.

02:12:04.920 Didn't really want to engage with it,

02:12:06.660 you know?

02:12:06.880 Yes.

02:12:07.600 And now I'm like,

02:12:08.780 I want to grab the wood.

02:12:09.860 Sorry.

02:12:10.220 I'll rephrase that.

02:12:11.120 I want,

02:12:11.620 you know,

02:12:11.920 I want to like,

02:12:12.880 now I want to grab a different kind of wood.

02:12:14.580 No,

02:12:14.860 I want to,

02:12:15.360 I want to like know what it's made of and where it's from and,

02:12:18.180 and,

02:12:18.400 and look at it and think about it.

02:12:20.180 And,

02:12:20.620 and like,

02:12:21.480 so this is how you ended up,

02:12:23.180 huh?

02:12:23.680 You know,

02:12:24.120 you know,

02:12:24.540 like,

02:12:25.000 like that,

02:12:25.500 that didn't used to occur to me at all.

02:12:27.440 I'd just be like,

02:12:28.280 yeah,

02:12:28.460 it's cool.

02:12:28.900 I love the aesthetic.

02:12:29.460 It's really nice.

02:12:30.420 I love what you're going on.

02:12:31.160 What is this?

02:12:31.840 Shabby chic.

02:12:32.820 You know,

02:12:33.140 like,

02:12:33.480 and I just wouldn't know.

02:12:35.220 And now I'm just like,

02:12:36.280 this is alive.

02:12:37.080 This is like,

02:12:37.680 it,

02:12:38.000 like I,

02:12:38.500 now I get,

02:12:39.700 I didn't get when you first started.

02:12:41.200 I was like,

02:12:42.000 like this about the set.

02:12:43.220 And now I'm like,

02:12:43.920 no,

02:12:44.080 no,

02:12:44.220 no,

02:12:44.440 no,

02:12:44.560 no.

02:12:44.780 So you were a prisoner of ironic detachment.

02:12:47.720 Yeah.

02:12:48.260 Yeah.

02:12:48.660 Like this,

02:12:49.180 this kind of like,

02:12:50.300 everything's got to be matter.

02:12:51.480 Everything's got to be whatever,

02:12:52.380 because I was afraid of engaging with the material critically.

02:12:55.320 Yes.

02:12:56.040 And authentically,

02:12:56.380 you know,

02:12:57.160 I was afraid of engaging with the material.

02:12:59.620 And,

02:12:59.740 and,

02:12:59.980 and now I'm not.

02:13:00.800 Can I just say,

02:13:01.240 can I just brag indirectly?

02:13:03.880 Even when you were,

02:13:05.240 I first met you in the green room at some Fox show years ago,

02:13:08.120 many years ago.

02:13:10.140 And you were in full.

02:13:12.240 Full fag.

02:13:12.880 Yeah.

02:13:13.160 Yeah.

02:13:13.600 Oh,

02:13:14.260 ridiculous.

02:13:14.780 It was a lot.

02:13:15.220 It was a lot.

02:13:15.800 Parody of,

02:13:16.700 it was a parody of a gay man.

02:13:18.180 Yeah.

02:13:18.740 I thought,

02:13:19.100 I thought you were deep anyway.

02:13:20.480 I could see that in you.

02:13:21.920 Sorry,

02:13:22.480 not bragging.

02:13:23.840 I always thought that.

02:13:25.260 I mean,

02:13:25.600 it was a compliment to both of us.

02:13:26.780 No,

02:13:26.840 but I,

02:13:29.360 I perceive that.

02:13:30.460 Now when I do gay things,

02:13:31.400 I do it like a Margaret Thatcher accent,

02:13:32.960 because now it's not really me anymore.

02:13:34.520 You know,

02:13:34.780 like it was a compliment.

02:13:35.560 No,

02:13:35.840 I saw that though.

02:13:36.780 I saw that instantly.

02:13:38.060 Like first day,

02:13:38.660 I remember we were,

02:13:39.220 yeah,

02:13:39.560 exactly where we were standing.

02:13:40.500 But,

02:13:40.800 but when you see somebody that way,

02:13:42.500 I mean,

02:13:42.680 there are,

02:13:42.960 there are gay people who are not deep,

02:13:44.780 you know,

02:13:45.260 Dave Rubin,

02:13:46.720 you know,

02:13:47.100 people who just,

02:13:48.060 there's no one shallower.

02:13:48.920 There's no,

02:13:49.520 they're there.

02:13:50.120 There's nobody behind,

02:13:51.300 there's nobody behind there.

02:13:52.380 Oh,

02:13:52.580 I know.

02:13:52.880 It's just that.

02:13:54.120 And you read his book,

02:13:54.900 you know,

02:13:55.080 you read his book and it's like,

02:13:56.740 Candace made me read his book.

02:13:59.100 Really?

02:13:59.720 She made me,

02:14:00.780 he did,

02:14:01.320 I mean,

02:14:01.660 his book,

02:14:02.120 like,

02:14:02.280 don't burn this book.

02:14:03.440 I'm like,

02:14:03.720 I'd have to buy it first.

02:14:04.740 I'd have to know.

02:14:05.680 I'd have to have heard of it.

02:14:07.220 I'd have to acknowledge it really as a book.

02:14:09.220 No,

02:14:09.700 please,

02:14:10.180 the spacing,

02:14:11.000 like the margins and the,

02:14:12.880 oh my God.

02:14:13.700 I mean,

02:14:14.280 you know,

02:14:14.800 from,

02:14:15.580 from having so many successful books,

02:14:16.980 like all the publishing tricks,

02:14:18.040 like,

02:14:18.120 you know,

02:14:18.300 if your,

02:14:18.660 if your manuscript comes in short,

02:14:21.020 you're like,

02:14:21.760 you know,

02:14:22.940 we probably both had that happen to us from time to time.

02:14:26.260 There was this,

02:14:27.060 there was this rumor that I,

02:14:28.540 there was this rumor that I didn't write my books.

02:14:30.900 It was this team,

02:14:31.700 a fleet of,

02:14:32.420 of assistants.

02:14:33.820 And so the first interview I gave about my,

02:14:35.720 my book about the,

02:14:36.500 the last Pope,

02:14:37.500 the book had been out two months.

02:14:39.300 And I said,

02:14:39.840 sounds brilliant.

02:14:40.560 I can't wait to read it.

02:14:43.740 But you know,

02:14:44.300 I was like,

02:14:44.940 well,

02:14:45.060 you know,

02:14:45.400 when you actually have like stuff going on,

02:14:47.060 you're too busy to write it.

02:14:47.920 And then you write other people's books when in the fallow periods.

02:14:49.980 Anyway.

02:14:50.980 So,

02:14:51.980 you know.

02:14:52.540 I actually have a famous friend who never read any of his books.

02:14:54.800 No,

02:14:55.020 of course not.

02:14:55.200 And he had a million of them.

02:14:56.020 Come on.

02:14:56.520 Yeah.

02:14:56.860 Bill O'Reilly,

02:14:57.540 probably,

02:14:58.060 but.

02:14:58.260 That's very much a TV thing.

02:14:59.900 Yeah,

02:15:00.140 it is,

02:15:00.400 it is,

02:15:00.620 it is.

02:15:00.880 And I was on tour and stuff.

02:15:02.000 So,

02:15:02.200 but I did actually write mine as it happens.

02:15:04.060 I had a research assistant,

02:15:05.000 but actually a very great guy,

02:15:07.280 Alan Bukhari,

02:15:07.900 who's now writing a book about Gamergate,

02:15:09.120 the great untold story about how Trump happened,

02:15:12.620 which is completely topic for another day.

02:15:15.080 But what was the question?

02:15:20.400 Well,

02:15:20.760 the question was how you've changed as a person.

02:15:25.360 I do.

02:15:25.940 I still go off on tangents.

02:15:27.580 Yes.

02:15:27.740 But you were saying that you have an appreciation for.

02:15:30.140 For the future and for things beyond yourself,

02:15:32.040 whereas you didn't before.

02:15:33.160 I'm back in the room.

02:15:36.280 Now,

02:15:36.800 now,

02:15:37.320 now,

02:15:37.820 now I will,

02:15:39.520 I care what happens at the end of stories.

02:15:43.340 Like I,

02:15:43.960 I used to read it for the wit

02:15:45.960 and try to remember the sparkling dialogue.

02:15:48.080 Right.

02:15:48.280 To semi-plagiarize it in conversation or whatever,

02:15:51.260 you know?

02:15:51.700 Yeah.

02:15:51.900 and you know,

02:15:54.140 I see a little of this change

02:15:55.880 in another friend of mine

02:15:57.440 and George Santos.

02:15:59.900 What a good guy he is.

02:16:01.500 I can't help but like him.

02:16:03.060 I always liked him.

02:16:03.440 You can't help but like him.

02:16:04.680 I totally agree.

02:16:05.560 I always liked him.

02:16:06.260 I was just like,

02:16:06.960 oh,

02:16:07.140 he's so likable.

02:16:08.960 And he's likable.

02:16:11.480 He would be likable if he was thin,

02:16:13.320 which is how likable he is.

02:16:15.900 I never thought of that.

02:16:17.420 He'd be likable,

02:16:18.280 even if he was skinny.

02:16:19.120 That's how likable he is.

02:16:20.460 He's especially,

02:16:21.420 he's especially lovely as being jolly.

02:16:23.320 But I've noticed in him

02:16:27.980 some little changes,

02:16:29.780 some adjustments along these lines

02:16:31.200 since he's had his reckoning

02:16:32.780 and his,

02:16:33.320 you know,

02:16:33.680 I mean,

02:16:33.980 he had to confront something.

02:16:37.480 I make a prediction.

02:16:40.280 Guarantee you the guy doesn't die gay.

02:16:43.700 Guarantee you George doesn't die gay

02:16:45.160 because he's going to see his behavior,

02:16:48.180 the Walter Mitty stuff,

02:16:49.620 as being in dialogue with,

02:16:51.940 dependent on,

02:16:52.640 congruent with the other damage.

02:16:55.760 Guarantee it.

02:16:57.140 Guarantee it.

02:16:59.160 I'm still so uncomfortable with this topic

02:17:02.140 that I'm not going to broach that with him,

02:17:03.480 but I think you're qualified to do that.

02:17:06.000 Well,

02:17:06.220 I'm on Tim Paul with him soon,

02:17:08.080 so maybe I will.

02:17:09.640 So how do you change?

02:17:11.080 Like,

02:17:11.260 what's the process?

02:17:12.240 This thing that we're not allowed to talk about,

02:17:15.280 which is,

02:17:16.140 and I can't,

02:17:17.120 gay conversion therapy.

02:17:18.840 We don't call it conversion therapy anymore.

02:17:20.380 But that's what it was called, right?

02:17:21.700 They were trying to ban it.

02:17:23.480 You were required to be gay.

02:17:25.700 I remember thinking like,

02:17:26.980 and by the way,

02:17:27.600 I've never been anti.

02:17:28.560 What are you converting from and to?

02:17:30.220 No,

02:17:30.360 but also the idea

02:17:31.200 that you're not allowed to change.

02:17:33.680 Like,

02:17:33.860 what?

02:17:34.540 That's when I realized.

02:17:35.260 It's the biggest thing.

02:17:35.860 Why are you keeping people gay

02:17:37.160 against their will?

02:17:38.700 You keep it.

02:17:39.120 Well,

02:17:39.960 that's when my mind,

02:17:41.580 as someone who's always been,

02:17:42.680 I guess,

02:17:43.040 pro-gay or whatever,

02:17:44.220 I'd never really been that involved in it.

02:17:46.100 It's one of the least attractive things about you.

02:17:48.140 Yeah,

02:17:48.300 I agree.

02:17:48.980 I agree.

02:17:49.680 But I started,

02:17:50.220 my brain started to change a little bit

02:17:51.580 when they were like,

02:17:52.000 we're going to ban gay conversion therapy.

02:17:53.660 And I was like,

02:17:53.980 I thought the whole point was,

02:17:54.920 you can be whatever you want to be,

02:17:56.060 which I was kind of for.

02:17:57.500 But now you're gay.

02:17:58.620 You must stay that way.

02:17:59.780 It's respectable for you to be pro-gay

02:18:01.540 if the basis of your pro-gayness

02:18:04.680 is that they're trying to force people to stay gay.

02:18:07.120 Well,

02:18:07.420 no,

02:18:07.800 no,

02:18:07.900 that's when I started to change.

02:18:09.040 I was like,

02:18:09.360 what are we talking about here?

02:18:10.580 You're not allowed.

02:18:11.700 So you're going the wrong way.

02:18:12.520 Yeah,

02:18:12.680 no,

02:18:12.860 you're just off on this.

02:18:14.640 That just blew my mind

02:18:16.100 when they tried to ban that.

02:18:17.360 I was like,

02:18:17.760 this is not what they told me it was.

02:18:19.260 They're trying to force people

02:18:20.320 to stay gay against their will.

02:18:21.760 Yes.

02:18:22.220 I mean,

02:18:22.600 it's bizarre.

02:18:24.600 There's a Supreme Court case right now.

02:18:27.580 The ruling will come next year

02:18:30.020 about whether or not

02:18:32.080 bans on gay conversion therapy

02:18:33.840 are constitutional,

02:18:34.780 whether it's legal to do it.

02:18:36.220 So we'll find,

02:18:37.120 the craziest thing I've ever heard.

02:18:39.840 Well,

02:18:41.340 the Supreme Court's kind of like,

02:18:42.620 it always struck me,

02:18:43.800 at least until recently,

02:18:44.800 I guess,

02:18:45.280 with the injection of the DEI,

02:18:47.560 like lunatic.

02:18:49.540 Isn't that the greatest chart

02:18:51.020 you've ever seen?

02:18:51.680 The greatest graph of my life.

02:18:53.580 How much Ketanji Brown Jackson talks.

02:18:56.300 It's the greatest,

02:18:57.800 it's the greatest chart I've ever seen.

02:18:59.180 Self-esteem is in inverse proportion

02:19:01.060 to ability.

02:19:01.820 Yeah,

02:19:02.060 we're aware of that.

02:19:03.280 It's the greatest chart I've ever seen.

02:19:05.200 And then you got,

02:19:05.720 and then you got old Clarence in your life.

02:19:07.800 Right.

02:19:08.360 One word.

02:19:09.480 It is the greatest chart.

02:19:10.840 I just saw it.

02:19:13.220 And my reaction was,

02:19:14.540 that tracks.

02:19:15.340 And we had in the Supreme Court,

02:19:16.760 and probably,

02:19:17.140 maybe so,

02:19:17.560 I mean,

02:19:17.760 it's sort of down the line,

02:19:18.680 isn't it,

02:19:18.920 Democrat?

02:19:19.160 Up until recently,

02:19:20.320 it was,

02:19:20.500 you know,

02:19:20.720 it was really just like,

02:19:21.740 Catholics be Jews on the Supreme Court.

02:19:23.880 I don't think there are any Protestants

02:19:25.120 on the Supreme Court.

02:19:26.660 I don't think there are now.

02:19:28.400 There is one,

02:19:29.260 Neil Gorsuch is an Episcopalian.

02:19:31.380 Yeah,

02:19:31.780 but you're just over the fence.

02:19:34.320 No,

02:19:34.520 but I mean,

02:19:34.800 there was a while where,

02:19:35.840 you got a little toe in the Tiber.

02:19:39.120 This country was founded and created

02:19:40.840 by Protestant men,

02:19:42.440 and there's not a single one

02:19:43.300 on the Supreme Court.

02:19:43.940 Yeah,

02:19:43.960 but there's a fifth of them are Catholic.

02:19:46.200 The smart ones.

02:19:46.940 Only in Rhode Island,

02:19:49.960 but whatever.

02:19:50.620 Another day.

02:19:54.020 When you see that kind of

02:19:56.900 civilizational clash,

02:19:58.540 as it seems to me that it is one,

02:20:01.140 I can't help but hope

02:20:04.020 if they're not going to do Obergefell,

02:20:07.860 that they at least let people

02:20:09.640 get away from being gay.

02:20:12.660 Like at least let people leave.

02:20:14.600 At least let people leave.

02:20:18.920 Because I had to fumble my way

02:20:21.740 with hot oil on a stove

02:20:24.740 and like hurting myself

02:20:27.720 to eventually get to a point

02:20:29.800 where I was not

02:20:33.020 seeing a particular stimulus

02:20:34.700 and automatically having

02:20:36.420 a particular arousal response.

02:20:38.480 Is that what you want?

02:20:39.660 Is that what they want?

02:20:40.820 Is that what they want everybody

02:20:41.660 to have to do

02:20:42.280 to sit at home

02:20:43.740 and abuse themselves?

02:20:45.420 To sit at home

02:20:46.300 and like hurt themselves?

02:20:47.680 To get rid of

02:20:48.520 these unwanted,

02:20:50.080 disordered urges

02:20:51.480 that are making them miserable,

02:20:53.260 that are hurting other people,

02:20:54.600 that are hurting them,

02:20:55.900 that are the product of trauma,

02:20:57.380 that are a trauma response.

02:20:58.500 Is that what you want?

02:20:59.980 You want people to sit at home

02:21:00.920 and do it to themselves?

02:21:02.340 I don't think so.

02:21:03.220 I think it's what they want.

02:21:04.240 I think destroying people

02:21:05.300 is what they want.

02:21:06.040 But I don't think

02:21:06.860 it's what we want,

02:21:08.780 you know?

02:21:08.980 I agree.

02:21:09.960 So how do people change

02:21:12.740 and what is the process?

02:21:14.620 Well,

02:21:15.840 the father of this stuff,

02:21:19.140 the most,

02:21:19.580 I mean,

02:21:19.780 there are some quacks.

02:21:21.000 Oh, I bet.

02:21:21.840 We're not going to lie about it.

02:21:23.180 But the father of the stuff,

02:21:24.800 the most respectable stuff

02:21:26.580 with the highest success rate,

02:21:28.600 the guy's name was

02:21:29.580 Joseph Nicolosi.

02:21:31.600 And you can't find

02:21:32.800 most of his books on Amazon.

02:21:34.100 OBSP.

02:21:36.200 Actually?

02:21:37.020 Yeah.

02:21:37.720 Why?

02:21:38.780 Because they're suppressed?

02:21:41.640 So,

02:21:42.320 that just tells you

02:21:43.500 that right there,

02:21:44.660 if they're banning books.

02:21:46.220 Okay, yeah, okay.

02:21:47.140 Well,

02:21:47.340 I'm not such a,

02:21:48.780 I'm not such an anti-book ban guy.

02:21:50.660 You're a bit more

02:21:51.000 of a free speech fund.

02:21:53.240 What were the Nazis burning?

02:21:54.680 What were they burning?

02:21:55.540 Ask them.

02:21:57.280 I know,

02:21:57.640 I'm very aware of that.

02:21:59.620 I guess what I'm just saying,

02:22:01.220 I'm not.

02:22:01.240 You're more of a free speech fund.

02:22:02.020 I am.

02:22:02.500 I am a free speech.

02:22:03.080 I have evolved

02:22:03.820 into more of an authoritarian

02:22:04.900 over the last 10 years.

02:22:07.060 Well,

02:22:07.480 I'm not even having that debate.

02:22:08.660 I'm just saying

02:22:09.280 that you know

02:22:10.600 what's important to people.

02:22:11.880 You know what they're lying about

02:22:12.900 by what they try and hide.

02:22:14.300 Sure.

02:22:14.900 We can agree that's right.

02:22:16.540 And we can also agree

02:22:17.280 that all of the,

02:22:18.160 all of the Jewish trans doctors

02:22:21.980 need to have their books burned.

02:22:23.120 But,

02:22:23.520 when,

02:22:30.460 he wrote about this stuff

02:22:32.060 over decades

02:22:33.260 had a very

02:22:34.420 tempestuous relationship

02:22:37.480 with the bodies

02:22:39.460 in psychology

02:22:40.140 and all the rest of it

02:22:40.920 and psychiatry.

02:22:42.460 But,

02:22:42.580 you know,

02:22:43.100 he's,

02:22:43.520 he's the person to read

02:22:45.880 if you want to understand

02:22:47.680 how people become gay

02:22:49.020 and how many of them

02:22:50.540 have got out of it.

02:22:51.260 So his,

02:22:51.940 for me,

02:22:52.400 the most important book

02:22:53.120 is Shame and Attachment Loss.

02:22:54.280 It's kind of got a

02:22:55.340 yellowy green cover.

02:22:56.800 And the good news is

02:22:59.360 that although

02:22:59.920 Dr. Nicolosi

02:23:01.900 has left us,

02:23:02.700 his son,

02:23:03.540 Joe Jr.,

02:23:04.700 is still in the practice

02:23:06.780 and is still training therapists today.

02:23:08.600 He's based in California,

02:23:10.120 obviously.

02:23:11.780 And,

02:23:12.340 and so he's still working today.

02:23:14.880 And,

02:23:15.000 and today,

02:23:15.500 the way that the therapy

02:23:16.560 that Joe Jr. does

02:23:18.980 presents itself is,

02:23:21.120 it's,

02:23:22.200 okay,

02:23:23.140 it looks weird.

02:23:24.680 It looks really weird.

02:23:26.080 It's peculiar looking.

02:23:28.460 It's almost funny looking

02:23:29.780 when you see,

02:23:30.780 when,

02:23:31.020 you know,

02:23:31.340 because sometimes

02:23:31.900 they'll film a session

02:23:32.580 as a demonstration,

02:23:33.500 you know,

02:23:34.740 but it,

02:23:36.980 and it almost looks

02:23:38.280 sort of like a,

02:23:40.600 like something you might see

02:23:41.500 from Ally McBeal,

02:23:42.380 like smile therapy

02:23:43.140 or something,

02:23:43.620 right?

02:23:44.960 But for a lot of patients,

02:23:46.600 it's showing enormous progress

02:23:48.800 and progress we measure

02:23:49.700 as the amount

02:23:53.140 of arousal,

02:23:54.500 same,

02:23:54.760 unwanted same-sex feelings

02:23:56.220 like are just like,

02:23:57.220 I didn't,

02:23:57.840 wait a minute,

02:23:58.540 did I,

02:23:59.840 I don't think I like

02:24:00.880 got the hots for anyone

02:24:02.140 this week,

02:24:02.640 you know?

02:24:03.280 Yeah.

02:24:03.740 So,

02:24:05.020 people become,

02:24:06.920 people have

02:24:07.460 gay sex

02:24:08.880 urges

02:24:10.400 for a variety of reasons,

02:24:11.880 you know,

02:24:12.060 so that the,

02:24:13.580 without getting too specific,

02:24:15.200 you know,

02:24:15.340 the passive partner

02:24:16.220 in a gay

02:24:16.960 encounter

02:24:18.460 is

02:24:19.680 looking to take on

02:24:22.360 some of the masculinity

02:24:23.460 he feels he lacks

02:24:24.420 and that's in

02:24:25.440 a literal,

02:24:26.480 physical way

02:24:27.040 and in an

02:24:28.540 emotional way too,

02:24:30.120 right?

02:24:31.220 He's seeking to

02:24:32.520 absorb in some fashion

02:24:35.860 the manliness

02:24:37.040 he feels

02:24:37.500 he doesn't have.

02:24:40.000 Really?

02:24:40.940 Yes.

02:24:42.500 And it makes sense,

02:24:43.620 don't it?

02:24:44.540 Like when you think about it,

02:24:46.020 I've always wondered

02:24:46.700 what that was,

02:24:48.060 but yeah.

02:24:48.680 If you're,

02:24:49.400 if you're,

02:24:49.660 it's a way of,

02:24:50.760 of interacting

02:24:51.680 with the kind of men

02:24:52.900 you've never been able

02:24:53.920 to interact with

02:24:54.600 or who have never

02:24:55.140 like taken you seriously

02:24:55.940 or that you've always

02:24:56.560 kind of like admired

02:24:57.280 from afar or whatever

02:24:58.020 because you have had

02:24:59.000 this like jump tracks

02:24:59.960 thing in your brain

02:25:00.540 from,

02:25:00.980 from neglect

02:25:01.620 or abuse

02:25:01.940 or whatever it is.

02:25:02.440 and so you seek,

02:25:05.000 you want to be,

02:25:05.980 you want to,

02:25:06.860 you feel like it's,

02:25:07.600 it's like getting charged up

02:25:08.640 and this is the way

02:25:09.200 the magic comes in again

02:25:10.140 as you know,

02:25:10.620 like this is how magic works,

02:25:11.900 you know,

02:25:12.060 like magic artifacts

02:25:12.860 got like charged up

02:25:13.620 with evil power.

02:25:14.380 Like that's what,

02:25:15.400 you know,

02:25:15.780 grace doesn't work like that.

02:25:17.000 You know,

02:25:17.320 God doesn't work that way.

02:25:19.000 The infinite,

02:25:20.020 limitless generosity

02:25:21.440 and charity

02:25:22.380 and grace of God

02:25:23.740 doesn't work like that.

02:25:24.620 You don't have to like

02:25:25.260 recharge your,

02:25:26.100 your reserves.

02:25:27.140 Another reason gay sex

02:25:28.000 is unfulfilling

02:25:29.300 because it's refilling

02:25:30.700 a battery

02:25:31.100 that's always depleting.

02:25:32.460 It's like a slow puncture,

02:25:33.600 you know,

02:25:33.920 and you just top it up.

02:25:35.640 You can never fill it up.

02:25:36.300 You can top it up

02:25:36.920 for a moment

02:25:37.400 with,

02:25:37.780 with an encounter like this.

02:25:41.060 Those urges

02:25:41.700 in the first place

02:25:42.500 come from

02:25:43.800 a memory

02:25:47.440 or a thought

02:25:48.240 or something

02:25:49.000 that's leading to

02:25:50.820 this arousal,

02:25:53.340 this,

02:25:53.460 this,

02:25:53.720 this,

02:25:53.960 this,

02:25:54.220 this,

02:25:54.520 this disordered urge

02:25:55.820 and the way

02:25:56.400 to get rid of it

02:25:57.380 feels a little

02:25:59.100 like some people

02:25:59.800 will under,

02:26:00.220 will have heard

02:26:00.900 of maybe CBT

02:26:01.800 although it's different

02:26:02.420 in some important ways.

02:26:04.660 The,

02:26:04.760 the,

02:26:05.020 the,

02:26:05.400 the therapy

02:26:06.400 is three-step.

02:26:07.800 The first,

02:26:08.860 the first thing

02:26:10.520 that you do

02:26:10.900 is you,

02:26:11.540 you produce

02:26:12.340 that state.

02:26:13.500 So you think about

02:26:14.620 or you look at

02:26:15.960 something that will

02:26:16.780 take you to the place

02:26:18.600 that would have

02:26:19.400 produced arousal

02:26:20.800 previously.

02:26:22.400 And then you introduce

02:26:23.400 something unexpected

02:26:24.160 into the brain.

02:26:24.700 and the idea

02:26:26.620 is that you

02:26:27.220 rewire the brain

02:26:28.860 in its,

02:26:29.360 in its,

02:26:29.760 in its plasticity

02:26:30.760 to expect

02:26:32.100 a different outcome

02:26:33.100 when it has

02:26:34.740 that stimulus

02:26:35.220 in future.

02:26:36.280 Right?

02:26:37.280 So,

02:26:38.000 um,

02:26:38.660 the way I did it

02:26:39.620 was to hurt myself.

02:26:41.340 So if I saw

02:26:42.320 a basketball player,

02:26:43.580 I'm not basketball

02:26:43.980 because we're all gay nerds

02:26:44.740 like I said,

02:26:45.180 but a football player,

02:26:46.360 like I said,

02:26:46.900 um,

02:26:47.160 uh,

02:26:47.360 sitting down next to me

02:26:48.200 on a flight

02:26:48.680 or something.

02:26:50.640 I wouldn't get

02:26:51.700 aroused

02:26:53.180 like the blood

02:26:54.540 wouldn't stop flowing.

02:26:55.320 I would get like,

02:26:56.340 you know,

02:26:56.680 like that,

02:26:57.300 um,

02:26:58.440 or something,

02:26:59.220 right?

02:27:00.260 Vaguely.

02:27:01.500 Or at least

02:27:02.620 wouldn't get that,

02:27:03.780 that,

02:27:04.180 um,

02:27:04.640 arousal response.

02:27:05.580 The way that the therapists

02:27:06.760 do it,

02:27:07.200 which is better,

02:27:07.800 is,

02:27:08.840 is a,

02:27:09.300 um,

02:27:10.380 a sort of like,

02:27:10.880 just a completely unrelated

02:27:12.000 feelings neutral

02:27:12.840 kind of a thing,

02:27:13.620 right?

02:27:14.120 And the way it looks

02:27:15.400 is just remarkable.

02:27:16.720 And the third step

02:27:19.280 is just repeat it

02:27:19.860 because there's only two ways

02:27:20.720 you can persuade the brain

02:27:21.520 of things,

02:27:21.860 which is emotional connection

02:27:22.880 and repetition.

02:27:23.460 Nothing else,

02:27:23.800 nothing else works.

02:27:24.460 Those are the only two means

02:27:25.700 of persuasion that work.

02:27:27.160 Emotional connection

02:27:28.060 and repetition.

02:27:29.040 So,

02:27:29.120 so this is why,

02:27:29.820 um,

02:27:31.360 all the late night comedians

02:27:32.740 who aren't funny anymore,

02:27:34.220 their job is not to be funny.

02:27:35.400 Their job is to associate

02:27:36.540 certain things

02:27:37.400 with certain emotional reactions

02:27:38.880 and then to do that

02:27:40.020 every night of the week forever.

02:27:41.460 So,

02:27:42.040 uh,

02:27:42.260 Trump,

02:27:42.820 ew!

02:27:44.100 And then the next night,

02:27:45.100 Trump,

02:27:45.460 ew!

02:27:45.860 and this eventually

02:27:46.600 persuades people

02:27:47.180 that Trump bad,

02:27:48.280 right?

02:27:48.740 Because they're associating

02:27:49.960 an emotional,

02:27:50.840 um,

02:27:51.920 uh,

02:27:52.280 reaction

02:27:52.800 to,

02:27:55.400 to a certain thing.

02:27:56.340 Repeat,

02:27:56.620 repeat,

02:27:56.800 repeat,

02:27:56.980 repeat.

02:27:57.240 It's just programming.

02:27:57.860 It's programming.

02:27:58.580 It's programming.

02:27:59.060 They don't have to be funny.

02:27:59.820 That's not their job.

02:28:01.140 It is not Jimmy Kimmel's job

02:28:02.200 to be funny.

02:28:03.320 It's Jimmy Kimmel's job

02:28:04.400 to repeat and repeat.

02:28:05.500 It's why it's so boring

02:28:06.260 and repetitive,

02:28:06.740 right?

02:28:06.960 Yes.

02:28:07.180 Repeat and repeat

02:28:08.060 and repeat and repeat

02:28:09.080 positive,

02:28:10.380 happy,

02:28:11.300 like Kamala's so brave.

02:28:12.760 Trump's hideous.

02:28:14.000 Oh,

02:28:14.300 disgusting.

02:28:14.780 Isn't he gross?

02:28:16.020 Isn't he,

02:28:16.300 oh,

02:28:16.560 that fat ginger,

02:28:18.000 uh,

02:28:18.300 orange retard,

02:28:19.600 whatever,

02:28:19.920 you know?

02:28:20.720 They,

02:28:21.040 they,

02:28:21.260 they're not talking

02:28:22.120 about him in terms

02:28:22.680 of policy.

02:28:23.140 They're talking

02:28:23.300 about in terms

02:28:23.600 of disgust.

02:28:24.940 Yeah?

02:28:25.260 Because that's

02:28:25.800 an emotional thing.

02:28:26.840 And again,

02:28:27.500 again,

02:28:27.760 again,

02:28:27.980 again,

02:28:28.100 eventually people

02:28:28.620 like Trump,

02:28:29.200 ew,

02:28:29.580 you know?

02:28:30.100 Of course.

02:28:30.660 That's happening.

02:28:31.440 It's just programming.

02:28:32.400 It's why the comedians

02:28:33.060 aren't funny.

02:28:33.640 You're welcome.

02:28:34.240 Um,

02:28:34.840 this is that

02:28:37.240 for virtuous ends

02:28:38.200 because it's

02:28:38.620 what works

02:28:39.000 in the brain.

02:28:39.360 and it very

02:28:41.520 often uses,

02:28:42.960 um,

02:28:43.600 so,

02:28:43.900 so this,

02:28:45.420 people find this

02:28:45.960 strange,

02:28:46.340 but so Aquinas

02:28:47.740 talks about how

02:28:48.460 grace builds

02:28:49.100 on nature,

02:28:49.600 right?

02:28:51.040 Thomas Aquinas.

02:28:51.820 Um,

02:28:53.260 uh,

02:28:53.860 and,

02:28:54.320 and,

02:28:54.820 so there are

02:28:57.800 ways in which

02:28:58.600 our bodies

02:29:00.160 are,

02:29:00.420 are,

02:29:00.600 are,

02:29:01.500 are machines.

02:29:02.920 They,

02:29:03.320 they,

02:29:03.560 they function

02:29:04.760 according to

02:29:05.660 mechanisms

02:29:06.060 and respond to

02:29:07.060 stimulus.

02:29:07.600 And although

02:29:08.180 there's a spiritual

02:29:08.800 dimension to all

02:29:09.500 of this,

02:29:10.500 the way our brains

02:29:11.800 work is trainable.

02:29:13.140 It's trainable

02:29:13.980 like a dog is trainable.

02:29:15.060 It's trainable

02:29:15.400 like anything

02:29:15.760 is trainable.

02:29:17.180 And so,

02:29:18.160 the way this

02:29:19.700 therapy looks,

02:29:20.920 and I provided you

02:29:21.540 with a couple of

02:29:21.980 little examples

02:29:22.520 in video,

02:29:23.240 um,

02:29:24.140 uh,

02:29:24.720 so that you can

02:29:25.260 see it yourself

02:29:25.700 afterwards.

02:29:26.560 The way this

02:29:27.240 therapy looks

02:29:28.340 is,

02:29:32.780 first of all,

02:29:33.640 the,

02:29:33.740 the original

02:29:34.260 stimulus will be

02:29:34.980 produced.

02:29:35.500 And then there

02:29:35.840 may be a pattern

02:29:36.540 of like following

02:29:37.560 a pen around

02:29:38.940 or a particular

02:29:39.800 kind of tapping

02:29:40.320 on the knee

02:29:40.620 or something.

02:29:41.040 It's just intended

02:29:41.840 to be like a

02:29:42.360 neutral,

02:29:43.260 a different outcome

02:29:44.260 from that initial

02:29:45.360 response.

02:29:46.300 So that no longer

02:29:47.560 does the brain

02:29:48.060 go to arousal,

02:29:48.740 but it goes to

02:29:49.000 something else.

02:29:49.720 And that,

02:29:50.680 the,

02:29:50.900 the,

02:29:51.080 it's very

02:29:51.980 common.

02:29:52.400 If you,

02:29:52.780 you see them

02:29:53.220 PTSD survivors,

02:29:54.420 if you've ever

02:29:55.080 been,

02:29:55.460 um,

02:29:56.200 to the VA,

02:29:57.000 you'll see a lot

02:29:57.680 of like this

02:29:58.260 going on in

02:29:59.040 like the treatment

02:29:59.520 rooms.

02:29:59.840 And you're like,

02:30:00.060 what the hell

02:30:00.320 is that?

02:30:00.580 All this.

02:30:01.220 Um,

02:30:01.640 uh,

02:30:01.920 that's,

02:30:02.340 that's what it

02:30:02.740 is.

02:30:02.940 They're,

02:30:03.180 they're,

02:30:03.500 they're,

02:30:03.660 they're produced.

02:30:04.280 They ask them

02:30:04.920 to remember

02:30:05.540 something traumatic

02:30:06.400 from their

02:30:06.920 service.

02:30:07.520 And then

02:30:08.080 something,

02:30:08.740 it's just kind

02:30:09.440 of a little

02:30:09.680 thing.

02:30:10.100 And what's

02:30:10.660 going on is

02:30:11.200 the best way

02:30:13.140 I can kind

02:30:14.160 of describe it

02:30:14.660 is it's like

02:30:16.880 when you press

02:30:17.260 control alt

02:30:17.780 delete and

02:30:18.700 then a couple

02:30:19.040 of other

02:30:19.300 things and the

02:30:19.800 computer reboots

02:30:20.400 without the

02:30:20.720 virus now,

02:30:21.380 you know,

02:30:21.760 like that's not

02:30:22.140 quite how computers

02:30:22.640 work,

02:30:22.920 but,

02:30:23.200 um,

02:30:23.580 uh,

02:30:23.760 you know,

02:30:23.940 it reboots

02:30:24.440 and you're no

02:30:24.860 longer in that

02:30:25.200 situation again.

02:30:25.940 You can do that

02:30:26.600 with the brain,

02:30:27.160 but it takes

02:30:29.120 not just one

02:30:30.220 reboot,

02:30:30.860 but it takes

02:30:31.300 a repeated,

02:30:32.200 um,

02:30:33.540 uh,

02:30:34.260 raising if they,

02:30:36.020 they call it the

02:30:36.640 schema or the

02:30:37.760 target,

02:30:38.260 the thing that

02:30:39.200 produced that

02:30:39.940 unwanted response.

02:30:41.260 And then

02:30:41.840 immediately the

02:30:42.500 introduction of an

02:30:43.480 unexpected outcome.

02:30:44.840 So your brain's

02:30:45.640 like,

02:30:46.300 hang on a second,

02:30:47.420 this happened,

02:30:49.340 so I was expecting

02:30:49.780 that,

02:30:50.340 but then this

02:30:50.860 happened.

02:30:51.780 And then over

02:30:52.540 time,

02:30:53.100 your brain learns

02:30:54.220 to just do that

02:30:55.320 instead.

02:30:56.660 And that instead

02:30:57.400 could just be like

02:30:57.920 something,

02:30:58.440 you know,

02:30:58.720 completely anodyne

02:30:59.480 or it could be

02:30:59.940 like I did,

02:31:00.580 which is,

02:31:01.020 you know,

02:31:01.220 the kind of

02:31:01.540 clunking

02:31:02.180 version of it,

02:31:03.220 which was,

02:31:03.520 you know,

02:31:03.680 something,

02:31:04.080 something painful

02:31:04.540 or unpleasant.

02:31:05.620 And the third

02:31:06.380 step,

02:31:06.680 just do it over

02:31:07.120 and over again.

02:31:08.080 And eventually

02:31:08.780 you see people

02:31:10.620 just have less

02:31:12.720 of those desires.

02:31:13.540 it's the most

02:31:16.740 peculiar thing,

02:31:17.760 but it is being

02:31:18.860 borne out in the

02:31:19.260 studies.

02:31:19.880 And so Joe

02:31:20.780 Jr.,

02:31:21.240 I brought this

02:31:22.080 with me,

02:31:22.380 I'll leave it

02:31:22.920 with you if you're

02:31:23.260 interested,

02:31:23.380 but 144 people

02:31:26.620 in a randomized

02:31:29.600 placebo blind

02:31:30.580 trial,

02:31:31.240 it works.

02:31:32.940 It works.

02:31:34.080 And it works

02:31:34.800 because

02:31:35.440 this,

02:31:38.180 these homosexual

02:31:39.560 urges

02:31:40.340 are not so

02:31:41.600 totally unlike

02:31:42.500 other forms

02:31:43.740 of trauma,

02:31:44.940 other forms

02:31:45.720 of damage,

02:31:46.720 other forms

02:31:47.320 of

02:31:48.060 deviance.

02:31:51.320 This,

02:31:51.640 this same thing,

02:31:52.500 it works on

02:31:53.120 people who

02:31:53.740 are obsessed

02:31:54.780 with rape.

02:31:56.060 Like a guy

02:31:56.880 who can't get off

02:31:57.600 unless he's

02:31:58.040 thinking about

02:31:58.700 raping a girl.

02:31:59.700 Now,

02:32:00.020 rape is something

02:32:00.580 that women

02:32:00.920 love to fantasize

02:32:01.640 about,

02:32:01.980 but perhaps

02:32:02.580 don't necessarily

02:32:03.260 enjoy the reality

02:32:04.520 of,

02:32:04.780 even the reality

02:32:05.260 of play of it,

02:32:06.080 right?

02:32:06.500 It's something

02:32:06.880 women love to

02:32:07.480 think about,

02:32:08.200 but you know,

02:32:08.880 you,

02:32:08.980 you,

02:32:09.360 you,

02:32:09.640 you act

02:32:10.640 that one

02:32:10.980 out without

02:32:11.620 warning,

02:32:12.340 you're sleeping

02:32:13.120 on the couch

02:32:13.600 at minimum.

02:32:17.040 It can,

02:32:17.860 it can help

02:32:18.500 men to enjoy

02:32:19.600 sex lives

02:32:20.720 that don't

02:32:21.200 involve

02:32:21.700 coercion,

02:32:23.100 you know,

02:32:23.440 because they

02:32:24.020 have that sort

02:32:24.480 of thing.

02:32:25.200 And the same,

02:32:26.000 much of the

02:32:26.600 same technique

02:32:28.720 is used with

02:32:29.800 people who have

02:32:30.280 other kinds of

02:32:30.960 trauma,

02:32:31.340 who have other

02:32:32.120 kinds of

02:32:32.900 trauma responses

02:32:33.880 as a product

02:32:35.540 of bad things

02:32:36.440 that happen to

02:32:36.820 them,

02:32:37.240 or as a product

02:32:37.860 of just something

02:32:38.440 going a bit

02:32:38.980 wrong where

02:32:39.360 that track

02:32:40.080 has jumped,

02:32:40.760 you know?

02:32:42.080 And so this,

02:32:44.620 though it looks

02:32:45.120 very odd,

02:32:46.460 is based on

02:32:47.160 decades of

02:32:49.100 research and

02:32:50.900 builds on other

02:32:51.640 therapies for

02:32:52.220 other kinds of

02:32:52.780 trauma,

02:32:53.140 and it looks

02:32:53.960 like it's

02:32:54.220 working.

02:32:55.100 Now,

02:32:55.460 I didn't have

02:32:56.020 this kind of

02:32:56.580 therapy,

02:32:57.000 I will say

02:32:57.560 that.

02:32:58.080 Like I said,

02:32:58.740 I kind of

02:32:59.040 bumbled through

02:32:59.600 on my own,

02:33:00.480 because I'm,

02:33:01.120 you know,

02:33:01.500 stubborn and

02:33:02.520 a loner.

02:33:04.420 But this has

02:33:05.760 started to work

02:33:06.320 for people.

02:33:06.760 When you look

02:33:09.340 back on the

02:33:09.780 life that you

02:33:10.280 led 10 years

02:33:11.080 ago,

02:33:11.380 how do you

02:33:11.680 feel?

02:33:14.720 I feel

02:33:15.280 ashamed.

02:33:17.680 I feel

02:33:18.380 embarrassed and

02:33:19.280 disgusted by the

02:33:19.980 things I did,

02:33:20.560 but I feel

02:33:20.980 ashamed,

02:33:23.260 particularly about

02:33:24.080 10 years ago,

02:33:24.880 about how many

02:33:25.340 people,

02:33:25.960 you know,

02:33:26.740 I thought I was

02:33:27.220 like laying it

02:33:27.720 on thick with

02:33:28.440 this sort of

02:33:28.820 like day

02:33:29.780 med and average

02:33:30.340 kind of,

02:33:30.940 you know,

02:33:32.320 a high sense

02:33:32.820 bouquet performance

02:33:33.680 on stage,

02:33:34.280 and I realized

02:33:34.660 people weren't

02:33:35.080 picking up the

02:33:35.540 layers,

02:33:35.980 maybe.

02:33:36.760 And every

02:33:37.280 talk I ever

02:33:37.840 gave in the

02:33:38.280 Q&A,

02:33:38.660 I said,

02:33:38.940 if I could

02:33:39.600 not be gay,

02:33:40.080 I would push

02:33:40.400 that button,

02:33:40.960 you know?

02:33:41.780 And nobody

02:33:42.500 ever like,

02:33:43.500 that never

02:33:43.980 registered with

02:33:44.440 people.

02:33:45.020 All that they,

02:33:45.640 why?

02:33:46.240 I don't know.

02:33:46.760 All they got

02:33:47.200 was being gay

02:33:47.840 is okay now,

02:33:48.400 being gay and

02:33:49.300 right wing is

02:33:49.540 okay now.

02:33:49.800 And I know

02:33:50.100 that I pushed

02:33:50.480 that button

02:33:50.820 with the left

02:33:51.220 to annoy them

02:33:51.740 because it was

02:33:52.620 absurd at that

02:33:53.140 time,

02:33:53.400 but people

02:33:54.260 never got the

02:33:55.000 message when I

02:33:57.020 said,

02:33:57.780 if I could

02:33:58.060 possibly,

02:33:58.740 I never gave a

02:34:00.080 speech in my

02:34:00.640 life where I

02:34:02.280 told people,

02:34:03.400 go be gay.

02:34:03.860 I said,

02:34:05.940 my first ever

02:34:06.680 appearance on

02:34:07.100 television was

02:34:07.620 with Boy George

02:34:08.300 like 20 years

02:34:09.540 ago.

02:34:10.060 And I said,

02:34:11.100 I feel that

02:34:11.720 something is wrong

02:34:12.340 inside me.

02:34:14.080 And I didn't

02:34:14.880 have the vocabulary

02:34:15.840 to articulate this.

02:34:16.760 And he's like,

02:34:17.080 no,

02:34:17.380 honey,

02:34:17.760 you're perfect

02:34:18.220 just the way

02:34:18.660 you are.

02:34:19.060 I can't do

02:34:19.500 Boy George,

02:34:19.800 but I was like,

02:34:21.380 no,

02:34:21.620 no,

02:34:21.760 I feel that

02:34:22.160 something is

02:34:22.840 wrong in there.

02:34:23.500 And everybody

02:34:24.020 around the table

02:34:24.600 just left,

02:34:25.360 you know,

02:34:25.780 like,

02:34:26.180 thinking like,

02:34:27.780 oh,

02:34:27.960 this is self-hating

02:34:28.560 homosexual.

02:34:29.200 Well,

02:34:30.540 I'm not,

02:34:31.140 I wasn't hating

02:34:31.880 myself,

02:34:32.340 I was hating the

02:34:32.920 things that I was

02:34:33.440 doing because I

02:34:33.880 knew they were

02:34:34.100 hurting me.

02:34:35.240 And I knew even

02:34:35.920 then,

02:34:36.100 I never gave a

02:34:36.580 speech in my

02:34:36.920 whole life where

02:34:37.340 I said,

02:34:37.580 go be gay.

02:34:37.760 Have you ever

02:34:38.200 talked to other

02:34:38.900 gay men who

02:34:39.400 have the same

02:34:39.780 feeling?

02:34:40.620 Yeah,

02:34:41.280 yeah.

02:34:42.640 I think because,

02:34:44.040 I mean,

02:34:44.540 not many of them

02:34:45.380 will articulate

02:34:45.920 it like I do

02:34:46.860 because I am

02:34:48.380 a little bit

02:34:49.000 cuckoo and I

02:34:49.980 don't mind kind

02:34:50.460 of living in

02:34:50.840 public and

02:34:51.300 talking about

02:34:51.740 my feelings.

02:34:52.880 Like,

02:34:53.040 my Twitter is

02:34:53.560 just like this,

02:34:54.940 well,

02:34:55.880 aside from the

02:34:56.360 eight years

02:34:56.740 missing,

02:34:58.140 it's just this

02:34:58.620 like insane

02:34:59.320 stream of

02:34:59.780 consciousness where

02:35:00.360 I'll just say

02:35:00.680 the most like

02:35:01.300 ridiculous,

02:35:02.160 absurd,

02:35:02.480 outrageous

02:35:02.700 things,

02:35:03.140 but it's

02:35:03.320 because people

02:35:04.340 are getting

02:35:04.640 like a tap

02:35:06.160 straight in,

02:35:06.820 you know?

02:35:07.580 It's just what's

02:35:08.320 going on in

02:35:08.760 there today.

02:35:10.380 So I'm

02:35:11.060 comfortable living

02:35:11.620 that way and

02:35:12.580 I'm comfortable

02:35:13.020 expressing myself

02:35:13.920 and talking about

02:35:14.700 myself.

02:35:15.380 And I think

02:35:15.740 now I have

02:35:16.140 a duty.

02:35:17.460 Now I have

02:35:17.880 a responsibility

02:35:18.500 to others

02:35:20.020 because of,

02:35:21.640 because the

02:35:22.000 message didn't

02:35:22.600 land.

02:35:23.680 Like I was,

02:35:24.360 I was,

02:35:25.400 I was not

02:35:26.620 intending to

02:35:27.480 give birth

02:35:28.980 to this huge

02:35:30.180 generation of

02:35:31.080 gay Republicans

02:35:31.920 who now just,

02:35:33.280 I think it's

02:35:33.760 openly,

02:35:34.280 like openly

02:35:34.920 fine to,

02:35:35.980 to,

02:35:36.720 to traffic

02:35:37.660 in babies

02:35:38.340 and to be

02:35:39.760 a gay

02:35:40.260 Republican.

02:35:40.740 And I feel

02:35:41.460 a great deal

02:35:42.040 of responsibility

02:35:42.500 for that.

02:35:43.840 I hate myself

02:35:44.680 for that a little

02:35:45.120 bit.

02:35:45.380 Milo

02:35:47.840 Yiannopoulos,

02:35:48.320 thank you for

02:35:48.900 everything you

02:35:49.300 said.

02:35:49.760 Thank you.

02:35:49.900 For your

02:35:50.300 honesty,

02:35:50.660 I appreciate

02:35:51.020 it.

02:35:51.420 Thanks.

02:35:51.960 And your

02:35:52.260 insight,

02:35:52.840 which is

02:35:53.200 amazing.

02:35:53.620 Thank you.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - December 04, 2025

Why Are You Gay？ Milo Yiannopoulos Explains.

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