The Tucker Carlson Show - Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life

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00:00:28.620 Roger, thanks a lot for joining us.

00:00:31.720 So here's how I understood your story.

00:00:34.860 This is what I read.

00:00:36.120 You are being extradited from Spain, an ally in Western Europe, a NATO country, to the United States by the U.S. Justice Department to face life in prison, 109 years, for tax evasion.

00:00:49.800 You're not a U.S. citizen.

00:00:51.280 The period that you're being charged with evading American taxes, you are not a U.S. citizen.

00:00:55.740 And so whenever I see a story that says the U.S. government is extraditing somebody for tax evasion to put them in prison for 109 years, my first thought is maybe it's not really about the taxes.

00:01:09.300 Maybe there's something more to this story.

00:01:11.660 Could there be another reason the U.S. government is angry at you and wants to put you in prison for the rest of your life?

00:01:17.220 Yeah, to be honest, I think they're not really angry about taxes at all.

00:01:20.540 I think they're just angry about my lack of obedience and lack of, you know, kissing their ring.

00:01:25.160 I was the first person in the entire world to start investing in the Bitcoin ecosystem and investing in businesses that made it easy for people to use Bitcoin as money and as cash for people all over the world.

00:01:35.680 And I was promoting it since 2011 as, hey, stop using the U.S. dollar, stop using euros, stop using yen, start using Bitcoin.

00:01:42.260 We have an alternative in which each individual anywhere on the planet can be in charge of their own money completely without needing permission from any politician or any government anywhere in the world.

00:01:49.800 And when you're a government that loves controlling people through the control of the money supply, that's very, very threatening to their control of the world.

00:01:56.660 So, of course, they didn't like that at all.

00:01:58.600 And I knew that this sort of thing was dangerous, and I thought the safest path for me would be to not be a U.S. citizen.

00:02:04.220 So in 2014, I renounced my U.S. citizenship and became a citizen of the world effectively.

00:02:10.460 But my new nationality is St. Kitts, which is a wonderful little island in the Caribbean.

00:02:14.720 And I thought that that would be safe for me, and I could promote Bitcoin from there and obey.

00:02:20.240 Even though I may disagree with plenty of laws, I do my best to obey them because I know when you're advocating for things that change the world, governments don't like that and they can come after you.

00:02:29.660 So I told all my tax attorneys and everybody else, we have to do everything perfect so that there's no room for the U.S. government to give me a hard time about any of this.

00:02:36.340 And more than a decade after I had already renounced my U.S. citizenship, and just a couple of weeks after I published a book on the hijacking of Bitcoin, how it no longer works as peer-to-peer cash for the world, and it's been morphed into something that is just a digital asset that people are speculating on the price on, rather than something that can compete with the U.S. dollar and the euro and the yen for use as currency around the world.

00:02:56.240 Suddenly, right after my book gets published, it exposes how people claiming to work for intelligence agencies hijack Bitcoin to do that.

00:03:03.360 Suddenly, I get arrested and tossed in jail in Spain and trying to be extradited to face more than 100 years in prison.

00:03:10.020 I'm 45 today. I think my odds of being alive with conventional technology in 109 years from now aren't looking too good.

00:03:17.260 So effectively, to die in prison is what they want because they're so upset about the things I've been saying and the way I've been promoting cryptocurrency around the world.

00:03:23.880 As the founder of Bitcoin.com, co-founder of XRP and Blockchain.com and a bunch of other companies, I literally seeded the entire first generation of cryptocurrency companies.

00:03:32.740 And so they're furious at me for trying to have something that can compete with the U.S. dollar as the world's medium of exchange and currency.

00:03:40.580 Now, I should just add an editorial comment. I mean, I am an American citizen and will remain one, I hope.

00:03:47.420 So I'm not against the U.S. dollar in principle. It's that the mismanagement of the U.S. dollar, I think, by the people in charge of it, the U.S. government, the Federal Reserve, has made it kind of a sketchy proposition long term.

00:04:02.160 It's like their mismanagement has forced people to think about alternatives.

00:04:05.140 And one of the most promising alternatives was Bitcoin.

00:04:10.520 And it was, I remember very well, since I'm 55, when it first appeared, the idea was this is a way for people to conduct business, to buy goods and services without being controlled.

00:04:22.540 To have, as you said, control over their own money, autonomy.

00:04:25.200 And it has become instead this asset class.

00:04:27.680 And I'm very interested in how exactly that happened.

00:04:31.000 And so if you wouldn't mind explaining the thesis of your book, what you saw, how that happened, you say subterfuge by the intel agencies played a role.

00:04:41.680 I'll stop talking and let you explain what you saw.

00:04:44.880 Yeah, I think to get started on that, we'll have to back up more than 25 years ago.

00:04:49.240 So when I was a very young man, I ran for political office as a libertarian in California and called for, you know, lower taxes, less government in every area and everywhere.

00:04:58.780 And this was in the year 2000.

00:05:00.740 And for those of us that are old enough to remember, in the late 1990s, there was an incident in Waco, Texas, where there was a religious group there with, you know, a bunch of adults, but a bunch of kids.

00:05:10.540 Some of them, you know, three, four, five years old, like little kids.

00:05:13.580 And even if the parents were religious nuts, the ATF and FBI literally burnt to death everybody in their home there and then posed for photos on top of the corpses of little kids.

00:05:25.420 And that sort of thing is not okay. 0.97

00:05:27.400 And the FBI and ATF are a bunch of murderers for murdering kids.

00:05:30.980 And even if the parents are, you know, doing something illegal, you don't murder the kids over that.

00:05:35.380 And that's exactly what they did.

00:05:36.820 And so in the debate with the Republican and Democratic candidates, I called the ATF a bunch of murderers that they are for having done that.

00:05:44.040 And boy, did they not like that.

00:05:45.460 I was a 20, 21-year-old kid that had seven or eight employees.

00:05:48.860 My business was starting to take off.

00:05:50.660 And I wound up being the only person in the entire world to be prosecuted for selling the Firecracker on eBay, even though tons of other resellers were selling it.

00:05:58.420 Cabela Sporting Goods Catalog was selling it.

00:06:00.400 These were being sold all over the place.

00:06:01.620 I was literally the only person in the entire history of the world to be prosecuted for selling those without a permit.

00:06:07.240 And it wasn't about the fact that I sold them without a permit.

00:06:10.340 It was they were mad about the things that I had said.

00:06:12.200 And they even said as much in one of the discussions with my attorneys and the prosecutors and the ATF agents.

00:06:18.100 The ATF agent literally, at one point, he pounded his hand on the table and said, you didn't hear the things that he said, referring to me calling them murderers. 0.97

00:06:24.260 And if you burn to death a bunch of kids, you're a murderer. 0.71

00:06:27.600 And that's exactly what they did.

00:06:29.440 And so I wound up actually signing a plea deal to do 10 months in federal prison.

00:06:33.740 If I had taken it to trial and lost, which I would have because I was guilty of the laws written, I sold firecrackers without a license, I would have done seven or eight years in prison.

00:06:43.780 And so at that point, I no longer felt safe in the U.S.

00:06:46.400 I had been politically persecuted already.

00:06:49.080 And so literally the day I was allowed to leave the U.S., I left.

00:06:51.940 But the way I became a libertarian, I wasn't born a libertarian.

00:06:55.520 I started somehow I found a book by Ludwig von Mises and then found some Milton Friedman and then later David Friedman.

00:07:01.740 And then Murray Rothbard is the author that really changed my life.

00:07:04.560 And it was just music to my ears recently hearing Millet down in Argentina talking about how Murray Rothbard was also one of the economists that influenced his life the most.

00:07:12.920 And I want to urge anybody, pick up anything by Murray Rothbard.

00:07:15.980 It'll change your entire view of the world.

00:07:17.700 But in these books on economics, I learned about the origin of money and how something comes to be used as money.

00:07:23.020 And it has to be durable, easily divisible.

00:07:25.400 It has to be portable.

00:07:27.400 It has to be easily recognizable.

00:07:28.940 It has to be difficult to counterfeit.

00:07:30.220 It has to have these certain characteristics that make it usable as money.

00:07:33.260 And so I read these economics books.

00:07:34.740 I thought, okay, that makes sense.

00:07:36.440 That sounds plausible.

00:07:37.980 But then when I went to federal prison, inside prison, everybody's using things as money.

00:07:42.940 Everybody's buying and selling things with each other.

00:07:44.520 And the things they're using are tobacco, postage stamps, and top ramen soups.

00:07:49.280 And if you think about it, all those things have those characteristics.

00:07:51.680 They're easily transportable.

00:07:52.740 They're durable.

00:07:53.500 They're easily recognizable.

00:07:55.120 They all have some additional use case, right?

00:07:56.840 You can mail a letter.

00:07:57.560 You can eat the soup.

00:07:58.320 You can smoke the tobacco.

00:07:59.760 And all those things just naturally, without any order from a guard or any inmate or anybody,

00:08:03.840 they just naturally come to be used as money.

00:08:06.500 And so then we fast forward more than a decade later there, Bitcoin came along.

00:08:12.560 And I had the theoretical knowledge from the books that I had read.

00:08:16.280 And I had the practical experience from my time in prison.

00:08:18.860 There was no doubt in my mind whatsoever that people were going to start using Bitcoin as money.

00:08:24.240 And so I thought, oh, this is every libertarian's dream come true.

00:08:26.760 Suddenly now we're going to have a choice.

00:08:28.280 And I'm not against the U.S. dollar or the yen or the euro.

00:08:31.320 I'm pro-choice.

00:08:32.240 I think people should be able to choose what form of money they want to use.

00:08:35.460 And whether it's the dollar, the euro, the yen, or Bitcoin or some other cryptocurrency out there,

00:08:39.280 I think people deserve the right to have that choice.

00:08:42.060 And I want to see that enabled.

00:08:44.300 And so when Bitcoin came along, the first step was for me to buy a bunch of Bitcoin.

00:08:47.920 I bought my first Bitcoin when they were less than a dollar each.

00:08:50.760 And then my business, MemoryDealers.com,

00:08:52.540 became the first established business in the entire world to start accepting Bitcoin for payments.

00:08:56.720 And we started advertising.

00:08:57.660 We accept Bitcoin.

00:08:59.100 Not a single customer paid us initially in Bitcoin,

00:09:01.020 but it got worldwide media attention for the first time.

00:09:04.480 And I remember it was in June of 2011.

00:09:08.040 And in the course of two, maybe three weeks,

00:09:09.740 the price of Bitcoin went from around $3 a Bitcoin to $30 a Bitcoin.

00:09:14.040 And that was the first time in the history of Bitcoin up to that point

00:09:17.400 in which it started to get some worldwide media attention.

00:09:20.420 And what an interesting thing happened.

00:09:23.000 So the main discussion forum where everybody up to that point was talking about Bitcoin

00:09:26.180 was a website called BitcoinTalk.org.

00:09:28.100 And suddenly when it was getting some media attention around the world and international

00:09:31.700 newspapers, this forum that had worked wonderfully up to that point where people could discuss

00:09:35.880 things became flooded with bots, just posting comments that were just, you know, fluff and

00:09:40.300 made literally, they DDoSed the forum to the point that it was unusable.

00:09:44.560 And anybody that came there because they heard about Bitcoin in the media that week,

00:09:48.280 they weren't able to learn about it because there's just so many posts saying, you know,

00:09:51.280 buy, sell, oh no, and just saying nothing of any substance whatsoever.

00:09:55.900 So somebody out there literally made the forum unusable as early as 2011.

00:10:01.540 And around that same time, we already know that the CIA was interested in Bitcoin because

00:10:05.240 they're asking different Bitcoin developers to, hey, can you explain Bitcoin to us?

00:10:08.800 So way back when the vast majority of the world hadn't even heard of Bitcoin yet,

00:10:12.420 the CIA was looking into it and somebody was actively preventing it from spreading as quickly

00:10:16.500 as it otherwise could have by shutting down the forum effectively.

00:10:19.220 When so many new people were coming to Bitcoin to learn about it for the first time.

00:10:23.320 And in the early days, everybody knew though, Bitcoin was supposed to be money for the world.

00:10:27.320 Bitcoin was supposed to be used for payments as peer-to-peer cash for the world.

00:10:30.360 And that's how people were using it.

00:10:31.860 And, you know, I was doing payroll on it and I was paying my suppliers overseas.

00:10:34.560 I hosted the first Bitcoin meetup ever in China about it.

00:10:37.840 Like I was really doing my best to spread this all over the world, including, you know,

00:10:41.600 paying for national radio ads for it.

00:10:43.860 Like it was really, really spreading.

00:10:45.040 But then later in, I believe, 2012, a person using the name John Dillon, who claimed to work

00:10:52.660 for intelligence, spent more than $10,000.

00:10:56.640 I forget the exact amount, but a significant sum of money to start producing propaganda

00:11:01.360 to trick people into thinking that by keeping the blocks on Bitcoin small, it would make it

00:11:07.080 more decentralized.

00:11:07.820 And literally the exact opposite of the truth, the exact opposite of the way Satoshi Nakamoto,

00:11:12.740 the creator of Bitcoin, designed it and promoted it, and the exact opposite of the way that

00:11:16.160 people were using it.

00:11:16.960 And nobody believed the propaganda initially.

00:11:19.480 But then later, this giant wave of censorship took place.

00:11:22.780 Anonymous people that nobody knows their real names managed to get control of all the main

00:11:26.660 discussion platforms for Bitcoin.

00:11:29.260 And then suddenly, one day overnight, nobody was even allowed to advocate for Bitcoin being

00:11:33.120 used as money.

00:11:33.820 And they censored anybody that tried to do that.

00:11:37.620 And initially, everybody saw through it.

00:11:39.080 But then everybody that came to Bitcoin after the censorship began, they just started believing

00:11:43.700 it.

00:11:44.640 And today, the main people that are out there promoting Bitcoin, they literally say, oh,

00:11:48.520 Bitcoin shouldn't compete with the US dollar.

00:11:50.860 Bitcoin, you shouldn't use it as money.

00:11:52.620 You shouldn't use it to pay for things.

00:11:54.140 Like Bitcoin is just a digital asset.

00:11:55.560 You should just hold it.

00:11:56.820 And it's the exact opposite.

00:11:58.460 They've, through the censorship and the propaganda, they've literally hijacked Bitcoin.

00:12:02.400 And I literally wrote an entire book about it.

00:12:04.480 You can find more at hijackingbitcoin.com.

00:12:06.780 It's available on Amazon and everywhere else.

00:12:08.980 And lo and behold, just a couple of weeks after the book is published, I get arrested.

00:12:13.760 And now I'm facing 109 years in federal prison for having exposed the way in which Bitcoin

00:12:18.300 was hijacked.

00:12:19.060 And you can think all day long that the new version of Bitcoin that people are promoting

00:12:23.420 is better.

00:12:23.940 OK, but you can't admit that it wasn't hijacked.

00:12:26.560 And luckily, now we have thousands of different cryptocurrencies.

00:12:29.020 And I support competition, right?

00:12:30.280 I was never a Bitcoin maximalist or any other cryptocurrency maximalist.

00:12:33.960 I'm a utilitarian freedom maximalist.

00:12:36.260 Whatever gives the most utility and is the most useful for the most people around the

00:12:39.280 world to improve their lives and create more economic freedom that leads to more economic

00:12:42.820 growth.

00:12:43.500 That's what I want to be out there and promote to the world.

00:12:46.460 So a bunch of questions.

00:12:48.420 But let's just begin with the core promise of Bitcoin, as we both remember vividly, was

00:12:53.860 that I would be able to conduct transactions, buy goods and services privately without federal

00:13:00.860 control, that there was anonymity because it was digital.

00:13:06.540 And I could sort of have freedom in the things that I bought.

00:13:12.760 How exactly did they control conversation about that?

00:13:18.900 You say that they censored the discussion boards.

00:13:23.460 Can you explain exactly how that works?

00:13:25.780 So there were two main discussion platforms where everybody was talking about Bitcoin.

00:13:30.240 And that one was called BitcoinTalk.org.

00:13:32.480 And then another was OurBitcoin on Reddit.

00:13:35.240 And everybody was busy talking about Bitcoin in those places.

00:13:37.800 And the same anonymous individual managed to get moderatorship position or ownership of both

00:13:42.460 of those forums.

00:13:43.120 And one day, he decided to turn on the censorship and they would ban anybody that would state

00:13:49.640 anything that wasn't in line with the small block propaganda about Bitcoin.

00:13:55.040 And when the censorship first began, people started a thread on Reddit complaining about

00:13:58.480 the censorship.

00:13:59.600 At that point, it was the most upvoted thread ever in the entire history of that Bitcoin subreddit.

00:14:05.180 And what did they do?

00:14:06.040 They then deleted that post as well and banned the people that were participating in that post.

00:14:10.200 And the censorship still goes on to this very day.

00:14:12.260 If you go on OurBitcoin or BitcoinTalk.org and post anything in favor of Bitcoin being

00:14:16.420 able to scale to be money for the world, they will ban your account.

00:14:19.580 And it's really, really a shame.

00:14:20.960 So the average person that's involved in Bitcoin today, they just see, oh, the price

00:14:24.220 is about $100,000 each.

00:14:26.040 And Michael Saylor is talking about, you know, pay your taxes and don't be inflammatory.

00:14:30.240 Don't compete with the US dollar.

00:14:31.600 That's going to make Visa and MasterCard and the government angry.

00:14:34.360 Don't do any of that.

00:14:35.240 He's saying literally the exact opposite of what everybody was saying in the beginning of Bitcoin,

00:14:38.840 which is like this finally gives people a choice as to what form of money they were

00:14:42.180 to use.

00:14:42.840 And so imagine if everybody was using Bitcoin as money in commerce to, you know, do their

00:14:47.600 payroll and buy things online and pay for everything.

00:14:50.840 How would the US government be able to give billions and billions of dollars to Ukraine

00:14:54.620 when most people don't want that to happen?

00:14:56.500 How would they be able to spend billions and billions of dollars on all these foreign wars

00:14:59.640 that most people don't want to be able to have happen?

00:15:01.620 They wouldn't be able to just inflate it out of thin air.

00:15:04.080 Suddenly, government would be much, much more accountable to the people.

00:15:06.840 And, you know, they teach everybody in school, oh, government, you know, government works

00:15:10.800 for the people.

00:15:11.800 Well, if people were using a hard asset cryptocurrency as money in everyday life, government really

00:15:16.380 would have to be much more accountable to the people than they are today.

00:15:19.400 And that's why government doesn't want that.

00:15:21.180 So that's why they've been doing everything they can to subvert Bitcoin and prevent people

00:15:24.800 from being able to use cryptocurrencies as money in daily life, whether it's from tax

00:15:28.240 policy or tax reporting or exit taxes or anything else.

00:15:31.600 They're making it as difficult as possible.

00:15:33.380 In fact, even the people that are in the studio here that we're recording this with, I offered

00:15:37.360 to pay them in cryptocurrency.

00:15:38.520 The reason they didn't want it is because they're scared of the tax ramifications around it,

00:15:41.720 because government's going to lose control of the money supply.

00:15:44.900 And if they lose control of the money supply, they lose control of most of their control

00:15:48.580 of society.

00:15:49.060 But if you believe in individual rights and individual freedom and people being in charge

00:15:52.860 of their own destiny, it's a wonderful thing when government loses the ability to control

00:15:56.500 people's lives.

00:15:57.240 And that's why I'm so excited about Bitcoin.

00:15:59.220 I've been involved almost, you know, 15 years.

00:16:01.080 I've been promoting cryptocurrencies as currency for people worldwide, whether you're, you know,

00:16:05.360 stuck in Spain awaiting extradition or in the U.S. or anywhere else on the planet.

00:16:09.720 Cryptocurrencies is for everybody.

00:16:11.440 And they need to go head to head and compete with the U.S. dollar and the euro and the yen

00:16:15.320 and the ruble and everything else.

00:16:16.560 Because when people have more choices, their lives are better off and it results in more

00:16:20.640 economic freedom.

00:16:21.860 More economic freedom results in more economic growth.

00:16:24.160 And more economic growth raises everybody's standard of living, which literally makes

00:16:27.620 every single person's life on the planet a better off.

00:16:29.880 And that's why it's such an exciting thing for me to be involved in.

00:16:33.080 And that's why I'm doing it despite risking 109 years in federal prison for just telling

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00:21:36.340 So the original promise was Bitcoin will make you free and then it became quickly through

00:21:40.720 subversion, Bitcoin will make you rich.

00:21:43.280 And that was enough to kind of derail the promise.

00:21:46.420 I should note that you are rich from Bitcoin.

00:21:49.740 I mean, and you could very easily kind of not say anything and just be happily rich with

00:21:55.400 Bitcoin because you bought a lot of it early.

00:21:58.280 And so it sounds like your ideological commitment is overriding your financial interests.

00:22:05.340 It's not even close for me.

00:22:06.640 So like I was a multimillionaire before Bitcoin had ever even been invented.

00:22:10.760 I had my own tech companies in Silicon Valley that had done very well for me.

00:22:13.560 Lots of people talk about, oh, win Lambo and I'm going to sell my Bitcoin and buy a Lambo.

00:22:17.840 I had had multiple Lamborghinis before Bitcoin had ever even been invented.

00:22:21.300 When Bitcoin came along, I was such a big believer in Bitcoin that I sold my Lamborghini

00:22:25.140 to buy more Bitcoin.

00:22:26.640 That's how excited I was about this philosophically and emotionally and intellectually because this

00:22:31.740 is literally one of the best tools the world has ever seen to give individuals more control

00:22:36.360 over their own lives.

00:22:37.140 And so I was headed in the exact opposite direction of most of the people that are involved in

00:22:40.940 Bitcoin today.

00:22:41.960 I was selling things to buy more Bitcoin because I knew this was going to become money for the

00:22:46.580 world.

00:22:46.900 And today, maybe it'll be Bitcoin.

00:22:48.880 Maybe it'll be a different cryptocurrency.

00:22:50.120 But cryptocurrencies are still certainly the way of the future.

00:22:53.180 And remember, today is 2024.

00:22:56.700 When Bitcoin first came out, there was no Apple Pay.

00:22:59.280 There was no Zelle.

00:23:00.100 There was barely any of this thing.

00:23:01.280 Like there was almost no competition.

00:23:02.520 But governments successfully delayed the adoption of cryptocurrencies so that now suddenly the

00:23:07.240 traditional financial systems had a chance to catch up and get a lot more done.

00:23:11.280 And it's just really, really frustrating because life is short as anybody, you know, as each

00:23:16.800 year goes by, they go by faster and faster.

00:23:19.880 And there's less and less of each of our lifespans left.

00:23:22.840 We need the benefits brought by cryptocurrency as soon as possible.

00:23:25.800 And we know all the benefits for the world as soon as possible.

00:23:27.900 Like, let's not waste time if that's exactly what governments around the world have been

00:23:31.100 doing.

00:23:31.400 They've been delaying and hindering the adoption of cryptocurrency as money, which is literally

00:23:36.360 delaying the progress of all of humankind and all of human society.

00:23:39.200 And it's really frustrating to see that happen.

00:23:41.900 The most frustrating part, from my perspective, is the inability to use cryptocurrency, apparently,

00:23:48.460 with any privacy.

00:23:49.860 I mean, that is the core promise.

00:23:51.940 I'll be, you know, I earned the money, didn't do anything wrong.

00:23:55.180 And I would like to buy something that's sort of no one's business, whether I'm buying it

00:24:00.080 or not.

00:24:01.580 And I would like to do that in privacy.

00:24:02.000 I don't think that's a weird thing to want.

00:24:04.160 It's a human thing to want.

00:24:06.080 And is that possible?

00:24:08.660 This is my question.

00:24:09.640 Is it now possible to conduct any kind of business with crypto anonymously?

00:24:14.860 So in the early days, everybody thought Bitcoin was basically anonymous and people treated

00:24:18.940 it that way.

00:24:19.600 And then websites came up that were selling things that governments might not necessarily

00:24:23.740 want you to buy.

00:24:24.960 And people were using Bitcoin for that because they thought it was basically anonymous.

00:24:28.080 And then later on, we found out that it wasn't anonymous at all.

00:24:31.200 But additional steps were taken to make Bitcoin even less anonymous.

00:24:34.620 And today, most people are just using custodial wallets, which are, you know, it's not even a

00:24:38.280 wallet.

00:24:38.520 It's just an account.

00:24:39.240 And it's no more private than your Bank of America or PayPal account.

00:24:42.480 In fact, it's even less private than those things because anybody can take a look at

00:24:45.800 the blockchain and see what's there.

00:24:47.300 But luckily, there's other cryptocurrencies out there that do give people more privacy.

00:24:51.080 So there's things like Monero, which most people are now using if they want some privacy.

00:24:55.100 But there's even more exciting technologies and coins out there.

00:24:57.600 There's another one called Zeno that allows anybody to create their own privacy token in

00:25:01.460 which nobody can see what's going on.

00:25:03.320 And if you really want to get the three-letter agencies upset or governments upset, there's

00:25:07.560 a project called Confidential Layer, which is creating a bridge from Bitcoin

00:25:12.360 Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Ethereum onto Zeno.

00:25:15.440 So you can take Bitcoin with no privacy at all or Ethereum with no privacy at all and

00:25:19.200 bridge it permissionlessly with no custodian and no central point of attack onto Zeno.

00:25:24.380 And when it's on Zeno, you have very, very strong privacy with that as well.

00:25:27.540 And so I think that's going to make a whole lot more privacy come to the entire

00:25:30.600 cryptocurrency ecosystem.

00:25:32.540 But governments are going to hate that.

00:25:34.140 Like Monero that I mentioned before, it's preemptively banned from being listed on most

00:25:37.940 exchanges in most of the world at this point.

00:25:39.920 And that's simply because governments have much less of an ability to spy on people that

00:25:44.140 are using things like Monero or Zeno.

00:25:46.160 And that's why I'm a big fan of things like Monero or Zeno today.

00:25:50.160 But in fact, today, I would be embarrassed to promote.

00:25:53.200 I am embarrassed to promote Bitcoin to people today because the transactions are slow, expensive,

00:25:58.100 unreliable, and you have no privacy.

00:25:59.940 I'd be proud to promote something like a Monero or a Zeno or a Zcash or a Zcoin or any of these

00:26:04.120 privacy tools out there because those are the ones that provide more individual control

00:26:08.780 to people and more privacy and more economic freedom to people over the world.

00:26:12.060 People are claiming that Bitcoin is freedom money, but I'm really afraid that they're

00:26:15.000 literally building the financial prison walls around themselves.

00:26:17.660 Like if you look at what's going on in El Salvador, everybody's excited about Bitcoin

00:26:20.880 there, but they're all using custodial accounts that the government can see every single transaction

00:26:25.440 you're making and they can freeze your account at any time.

00:26:28.360 That's the exact opposite of economic freedom.

00:26:30.280 That's economic government control.

00:26:31.700 And so anybody that's paying attention should be really, really concerned about this, and

00:26:35.720 they should be advocating the use of cryptocurrencies in which individuals can actually have control

00:26:39.340 of their own money and have control over their own lives, their own destiny.

00:26:42.120 And maybe that'll be Bitcoin, thanks to this new technology called Confidential Layer that

00:26:47.820 bridges it onto Zeno.

00:26:49.240 And I don't know what it's going to be, but we need to be really, really careful because

00:26:53.360 it could wind up that before we know it and before we realize it, we've built the financial

00:26:57.820 prison walls around us and it's too late to get out and too late to escape.

00:27:00.520 So let's be aware of this today and watch out.

00:27:06.420 A lot of people in the crypto world, I think, are admirable people.

00:27:10.020 I'm friends with some of them.

00:27:11.280 One you mentioned, actually, people I like and admire and largely agree with.

00:27:15.880 But I'm a little bit confused as to why you're the only person I've ever heard say what you

00:27:19.800 just said.

00:27:20.500 Why aren't the people promoting various cryptocurrencies also sounding the alarm that none of the transactions

00:27:27.940 you conduct using these currencies are private.

00:27:29.940 In fact, they're very easily trackable by government.

00:27:31.900 Why is nobody saying that?

00:27:33.160 Because the censorship and propaganda works.

00:27:35.520 Lots of people are saying that, but very few people other than myself have a big enough

00:27:39.820 platform or a loud enough voice to get much attention.

00:27:42.460 And because I had such a big platform and big voice, boom, suddenly I'm looking at 109 years

00:27:46.880 in prison.

00:27:47.260 I don't think that's a coincidence at all.

00:27:50.060 And again, if the solution to ideas or people saying things that you don't agree with is

00:27:55.400 more debate and more discussion and more free speech, whereas most of the people promoting

00:27:59.840 Bitcoin at this point, they've taken the exact opposite.

00:28:02.240 They've been supporting the propaganda and the censorship, which I'm on the exact opposite.

00:28:07.060 In fact, initially, when the debate started happening as to what should be the proper scaling

00:28:10.820 method for Bitcoin, my heart was already on what was called like the big block side, but

00:28:15.660 I wanted to be open to the other arguments.

00:28:18.660 And so I was just quiet and started listening.

00:28:20.920 And as I tried to listen, suddenly one side started to try and censor the other side.

00:28:25.340 And I already knew I was on the side of free speech.

00:28:27.280 And so as soon as one side tried to censor the other side, I knew, OK, it's time for me

00:28:31.120 to speak up now.

00:28:31.760 I'm on the side of free speech and I'm on the side of Bitcoin being able to scale in

00:28:35.160 the original way that the Bitcoin white paper described as peer-to-peer cash for the entire

00:28:39.720 world that's very different than just the speculative asset.

00:28:42.620 And everyone today is excited.

00:28:44.100 Bitcoin's about almost $100,000.

00:28:46.420 Maybe it would have been $100,000 half a decade ago if it hadn't been hijacked and hadn't

00:28:50.760 been destroyed in its usefulness as cash for the world.

00:28:53.340 So you need to look at what's seen and what's not seen.

00:28:56.000 And what we see today, OK, it's close to $100,000.

00:28:58.480 What's not seen is what it could have been if companies like Microsoft and Expedia and these

00:29:02.960 other big companies around the world didn't have to stop accepting Bitcoin because of its

00:29:06.940 slow transaction fees, slow transaction times and unreliable transactions and lack of privacy

00:29:12.200 as well.

00:29:12.720 So it's really disappointing.

00:29:14.820 But thank you for giving me a platform to help sound the alarm because I don't want to

00:29:18.320 see the entire world wind up imprisoning themselves inside of some sort of a financial prison that

00:29:23.220 they're building, even if it has a cool sounding name like Bitcoin.

00:29:26.100 Who is Satoshi?

00:29:27.840 I don't know.

00:29:28.900 And if anybody knows, I'm not aware of that.

00:29:32.080 But whoever he is or wherever he is, he literally invented one of the most important things in

00:29:36.480 the entire history of humankind up there on par with how important the invention of electricity

00:29:40.540 or the transistor or the Internet was.

00:29:42.120 It really is one of the most world changing technologies ever.

00:29:45.540 And so whoever he is, wherever he is or they are or she is, they deserve their privacy because

00:29:50.160 clearly that's what they want.

00:29:52.120 So it doesn't sound like you're suspicious that Bitcoin was created by the intel agencies

00:29:57.800 as a way, as a kind of trap for people.

00:30:02.140 I don't think it was created that way initially, but I am suspicious and I do think that the

00:30:07.560 intelligences and other groups have converted it and hijacked it into becoming a financial

00:30:12.420 trap.

00:30:13.260 I just want to apologize, by the way, I was laughing off camera saying you're so great at

00:30:18.900 explaining this.

00:30:19.520 No wonder they want to put you in prison.

00:30:20.800 I shouldn't have laughed at that.

00:30:22.660 It's sort of an awful thing to say because they actually are trying to put you in prison.

00:30:26.100 And so rather than making fun of something so awful, I would love to know if you think

00:30:33.460 you're actually going to go to prison.

00:30:34.640 I mean, is there any way to stop this?

00:30:36.900 Yeah, there's a lot of ways to stop this.

00:30:38.220 But the most useful way, I think, is to get the public to speak out, right?

00:30:41.440 Like the more people that speak out, the safer all of us can be.

00:30:45.320 And so one of the most egregious things here, too, is like the IRS with guns on their hip,

00:30:51.180 they literally showed up at my attorney's office and my accountant's office.

00:30:54.940 So they raided my attorney's office, right?

00:30:56.800 You're not supposed to be able to do that in the U.S.

00:30:58.980 Like you're supposed to be able to talk to your attorneys and that's supposed to be private.

00:31:02.660 And so all the information is available over at a website that supporters set up at

00:31:07.300 freerogernow.org.

00:31:09.140 They recently filed what's called a motion to dismiss, where you can literally see with

00:31:13.900 your own eyes that the U.S. government is literally lying in their indictment.

00:31:18.740 And the proof is up there with the emails between myself and my attorneys.

00:31:21.180 You can go and see.

00:31:21.860 Please go take a look at it.

00:31:23.100 Don't take my word for it.

00:31:24.240 Like, take a look at that motion to dismiss.

00:31:26.380 They're lying.

00:31:27.260 They're lying to the court in Spain.

00:31:28.780 They're just lying every which way because they don't want the world to know the truth

00:31:31.920 about cryptocurrencies that they can be used to empower individuals to have control of

00:31:35.400 their own lives beyond the control of, you know, politicians who have never met you and

00:31:39.040 they don't know about you and your life.

00:31:40.320 And most of them don't care about you one bit.

00:31:42.420 So like the fact that now people anywhere on the planet have access to money that can

00:31:45.920 they can use to escape inflation or they can use it to escape other, you know, oppressionary

00:31:49.600 tactics.

00:31:51.120 Cryptocurrency is an amazing, amazing tool for freedom around the world.

00:31:53.940 And governments are the opposite of freedom.

00:31:55.640 They don't like people having more freedom.

00:31:56.900 And that's why they don't like cryptocurrency.

00:31:58.100 And that's why they're trying to shut me up.

00:32:00.380 I wish I had even more hard proof, but I don't think it's a coincidence.

00:32:04.640 They arrested me as soon as my book came out and I was about to go on a big media tour

00:32:08.160 promoting the fact that Bitcoin has been hijacked.

00:32:10.280 And suddenly they have me arrested and tossed into jail for a month in Barcelona and they were

00:32:14.680 furious that I got out on bail.

00:32:16.140 But this is the first media interview I've done since I've been out.

00:32:18.840 I've been out over six months now.

00:32:20.960 This is a really, really big deal for the entire world.

00:32:24.220 This isn't just an American thing.

00:32:25.380 This is literally affects every single person on the planet.

00:32:28.880 And so like another example of that is, you know, Apple, people all over the world use

00:32:31.700 iPhones.

00:32:32.400 Apple's an American company, but it affects every single person on the planet.

00:32:36.040 Every year, new Apple products come out.

00:32:37.700 People all over the planet that aren't Americans also get to benefit from it.

00:32:40.640 Americans get to benefit from it. 0.79

00:32:42.240 Everybody gets to benefit from it.

00:32:43.760 It's the same with cryptocurrencies.

00:32:45.280 Everybody on the planet, even if it's somebody working on it in the US or Spain or somewhere

00:32:49.180 else, everybody on the planet gets to benefit from it.

00:32:51.780 And, you know, and by benefit from it, I mean, they get to have more control over their own

00:32:56.560 lives, their own finances, their own financial sovereignty.

00:32:59.700 Governments hate that.

00:33:00.560 That's why they're trying to stop it.

00:33:01.800 And that's why they don't want you to read hijacking Bitcoin.

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00:37:03.920 I'm a little bit surprised that the government of Spain is honoring the extradition request.

00:37:19.080 I mean, the U.S. government just sent $100 billion to Ukraine without an audit to the

00:37:23.420 most corrupt country in Europe, $100 billion.

00:37:25.620 Didn't even bother to audit it.

00:37:27.120 You know, and a huge percentage is being stolen.

00:37:28.840 We know that.

00:37:29.440 They don't care.

00:37:30.080 So the idea that the U.S. government is so upset that you, a non-citizen, didn't pay 0.88

00:37:34.660 U.S. taxes, which you're not even obligated to pay, is like absurd on its face.

00:37:40.120 How did the Spanish government participate in what's obviously a grotesque miscarriage of

00:37:47.280 justice?

00:37:47.660 Why would they play along with that?

00:37:48.640 If I can interject, not only are they mad about the taxes, I wasn't an American, and

00:37:53.740 I wasn't living in the U.S., right?

00:37:55.780 This is like, it's so crazy.

00:37:56.860 I was not American, not living in the U.S., and they're claiming I owe them more U.S.

00:38:00.080 taxes on the Bitcoin.

00:38:01.300 Like, it's just absolute insanity.

00:38:03.500 But if you look at it, when there's a political persecution, they just have to make stuff up

00:38:07.360 so they can grab the people. 0.57

00:38:08.380 And the most common way they do it is they use the government tax code because it's so

00:38:11.640 incredibly complicated.

00:38:12.960 Even people that want to comply with every last little detail and how the best professionals,

00:38:16.960 like I did myself, it's too complicated.

00:38:20.040 They can get you if they want you, and that's what they do time and time again.

00:38:23.240 And so in regards to the Spanish government, I have an amazing attorney here, Jaime Campanier.

00:38:27.360 I'm really hoping that he's going to be successful here.

00:38:30.840 He's optimistic about the whole situation, but you don't know.

00:38:34.260 And it's a really terrifying way to live day to day.

00:38:37.100 If I win and that Spain decides not to extradite me, they'll send me or my attorney a letter

00:38:41.440 and say, congratulations, you're not being extradited.

00:38:44.180 If I lose and they decide to extradite me, they don't tell me in advance.

00:38:47.600 They'll just be a knock at my door one morning, and they'll grab me, and they'll put me in jail,

00:38:51.120 and I'll have zero notice whatsoever.

00:38:53.480 I won't be able to return the rental car or tell the landlord or anything else.

00:38:57.140 They'll literally just come to my house, grab me one morning, and I won't know in advance

00:39:00.320 which morning it's going to be.

00:39:01.280 It'll just happen one morning.

00:39:02.460 And so it's not a fun way to live day to day knowing if this is your last day,

00:39:06.280 you know, not in prison potentially for the rest of your entire life.

00:39:09.340 And so, but I'm cautiously optimistic that Spain will be able to see through this and see

00:39:13.980 that what a politically motivated persecution this is by a bunch of people that are just,

00:39:18.520 you know, jealous. Like, if I hadn't been treated so unfairly politically the last time around when

00:39:22.320 I ran for political office and tried to change the system within, I'd still be, you know, a proud

00:39:26.720 flag-waving American today. And I still, the values of my heart are still some of the most

00:39:30.980 American values there are. And if you think about it, people say, oh, you renounced your U.S.

00:39:34.540 citizen, you know, ship. That's not very patriotic. Are you kidding? That's exactly the values

00:39:38.860 that America was founded on. It was a bunch of British people that renounced their citizenship and 0.90

00:39:42.440 said, I don't like laws you guys are passing. I'm not going to be a part of this anymore. So

00:39:46.040 renouncing your citizenship is actually one of the most patriotic American-esque

00:39:49.580 things you can possibly do. And I hope the Spanish government will be able to see. Like,

00:39:54.620 I've been out there, you know, speaking out to the world about the benefits of cryptocurrency.

00:39:59.200 The U.S. government has the most to lose because the dollar is the world reserve currency. So they

00:40:03.060 like it less than even other governments. This is clearly a politically motivated persecution.

00:40:07.260 And my faith and hope and, you know, my dreams are with the Spanish government to not extradite

00:40:15.020 me at this point. And I hope they do the right thing and they can see what's going on. But

00:40:18.320 I also, you know, have, maybe I can beat the whole thing at trial as well. But, you know,

00:40:23.820 you never know. You're rolling the dice there, even though I'm completely innocent. But we also could

00:40:27.400 have the Department of Justice, Nairus, just drop all the charges because it's completely,

00:40:31.880 I'm completely innocent. And we literally fought this thing all the way to the Supreme Court in

00:40:36.580 regards to my attorney-client privilege documents. When they finally got access to those documents,

00:40:42.340 they were probably mad because it was me literally telling my attorneys,

00:40:45.140 do everything perfectly, do everything perfectly. I don't want to have any problems. And so

00:40:48.820 they had a big, giant letdown. So there was a Supreme Court case in regards to myself.

00:40:52.520 People need to understand how insane it is that the IRS raided my tax attorney,

00:40:58.220 their office. How can you raid someone's attorney's office to violate attorney-client

00:41:03.460 privilege in the U.S.? That's the stuff that all the U.S. propaganda wants you to believe goes on

00:41:07.320 in Russia all the time and other countries. But they're doing it right, you know, right there

00:41:10.760 at home and where I was born and raised in the United States of America. It's insane that that's

00:41:15.240 going on. So President Biden can do the right thing. He just recently, you know, pardoned his son.

00:41:20.340 He can issue a preemptive pardon for me. Trump, when he gets into office, if anybody knows what

00:41:24.920 it's like to be the victim of lawfare, it's Trump. So I think he'll be able to see it in this case

00:41:29.460 as well. He can issue a preemptive pardon for me as well and a bunch of other people that deserve

00:41:33.500 it. I'm not the only one, right? There's a whole long list of people out there that have been the

00:41:38.520 victim of lawfare. And more often than not, it's people that are engaged in something that the U.S.

00:41:42.440 doesn't like politically. And if you rock the boat and the state doesn't like it, they're going to

00:41:47.420 come after you. And I'm just one more on that long, long, long list of people that they've

00:41:51.720 attacked and trying to destroy their lives. If I wasn't in this business, I wouldn't believe

00:41:57.900 any of this. I wouldn't think anything you were saying was true. I've just seen it so often.

00:42:02.100 Just a specific point. Are you allowed to leave Spain or are you imprisoned by Spain? Can you leave

00:42:09.120 the country? So no, not only can I not leave the country, I'm on an island in Spain, off the coast

00:42:14.300 of Spain called Mallorca. I'm not even allowed to leave this island. I'm not allowed to go on a boat.

00:42:18.920 I'm not allowed to do anything. And every 48 hours, I have to check in with the court and show

00:42:22.760 them my ID and prove that I didn't run away. And again, any day could be my last year. If they

00:42:27.200 decide they are going to extradite me, they'll just show up unannounced and arrest me here in Spain and

00:42:31.200 put me back in the Spanish prison and then at some point ship me to the U.S. prison as well. And so

00:42:35.560 that's like a pretty nerve-wracking way to live day after day here in Spain. So Spain's a wonderful

00:42:41.240 country, but I would love to be here voluntarily.

00:42:42.900 It's shocking that Spain can act as the jailers for the U.S. government on transparently fake

00:42:51.220 charges. So you already spent a month in Spanish prison? What was that like?

00:42:55.880 My Spanish is certainly better than it was before that happened.

00:42:59.140 I bet. You know prison slang.

00:43:02.000 Yeah. And actually, because I'm such a clean-cut, well-spoken guy, there were a couple of other

00:43:07.380 people in the prison starting to think I must be some sort of an American undercover spy spying on the

00:43:12.140 prison. So some of the other inmates were really wary of me and didn't want to speak to me. And

00:43:15.840 luckily, nobody found out who I was or what my role was in regards to cryptocurrency. But some

00:43:21.400 people were awfully suspicious of me, and I was very glad to get out when I finally did.

00:43:25.820 And the U.S. government was very angry that they granted me bail here in Spain. They wanted to hold

00:43:29.720 me in jail in Spain the entire time in a country. I think this was only the second time I'd ever even

00:43:34.780 visited Spain ever. I thought I was only going to be here for four days. There was a cryptocurrency

00:43:38.920 conference about privacy cryptocurrencies here, about Zeno and Monero and things like that.

00:43:43.340 I thought I was just going to be here for that. And I was in the hotel lobby after the conference,

00:43:47.360 and some guy I didn't know came up to me with a thick Spanish accent and said,

00:43:50.460 are you Roger Veer? And I said, yes. And Roger Veer, yes. And like three or four times back and

00:43:54.660 forth. And when I finally convinced him that I was Roger Veer and that we had overcome the language

00:43:58.520 barrier, and I thought he was a crypto guy and wanted to ask for like a, you know, autographed copy of

00:44:02.420 my book or talk about crypto or something. Then he pulled out his badge and said that he has an

00:44:06.360 Interpol arrest warrant. They arrested me right there in the lobby of the hotel in Barcelona and,

00:44:10.820 you know, hauled me off to jail in Spain. And boy, was I not expecting that one bit to happen.

00:44:16.120 And talk about having your world turned upside down. But it just makes me even more motivated

00:44:20.440 because cryptocurrencies are such a powerful, powerful tool for every human being on the planet.

00:44:25.360 How could I not be quiet about spreading this good message to everybody around the world? So

00:44:29.700 congratulations, America. You made me even more motivated to spread cryptocurrency

00:44:33.220 adoption to the world. That is just one of the craziest stories I think I've ever heard.

00:44:39.000 Roger, Godspeed. We are just rooting for you fervently. And I hope this helps in some small way.

00:44:46.760 Anyway, you're in our thoughts. Thank you. My pleasure, Tucker. And if I can ask people that

00:44:50.920 want to show their support, please head over to freerogernow.org. And I would deeply appreciate that.

00:44:55.760 Thank you. Good luck.

The Tucker Carlson Show - December 10, 2024

Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life

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