This is Gavin Newsom - And, This Is Gaming Culture & Gen-Z Nihilism With Content Creator Brandon ＂Atrioc＂ Ewing

00:00:00.000 I do want to start talking about Gen Z men.

00:00:02.140 They range from angry to openly nihilistic.

00:00:05.600 They can't go back to the status quo, Gavin.

00:00:07.540 They just can't.

00:00:08.300 Seems like the DNC as a whole is trying to run a very similar playbook

00:00:12.960 that didn't work and is wondering why they're not getting different results.

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00:00:19.200 And this is Brennan Ewing, a.k.a. Atriok.

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00:03:20.980 Hi, Brandon Ewan.

00:03:22.040 Hey.

00:03:22.360 Welcome, brother.

00:03:23.120 Gavin, pleasure.

00:03:23.720 It's good to be with you.

00:03:24.640 A.K.A. Atriot.

00:03:26.900 You got it right.

00:03:27.660 Your online name, which we'll get to in a minute.

00:03:30.480 And for folks that don't know you, millions of people do because they watch you religiously.

00:03:34.940 You're a rock star on YouTube, content creator, a Twitch live streamer, speed runner.

00:03:40.920 We'll talk about what the heck that means.

00:03:42.700 People are wondering, what am I talking about?

00:03:44.820 But also really focused on building community around marketing, around business.

00:03:49.240 And that's what your background represented, working at Twitch, working at NVIDIA.

00:03:53.660 We can talk about AI chips.

00:03:55.540 But I really wanted you on because with so much focus on what happened a few weeks ago with

00:04:03.120 Charlie Kirk and Tyler Robinson, the person who's been accused, some of the gaming questions and issues that came up,

00:04:09.640 some of the memes that were allegedly part of some components of the investigation.

00:04:15.780 And the broader conversations we're having in this country around the manosphere and what's happening with gaming culture generally, issues of boys and men, everything about this.

00:04:26.740 And it kept coming back to you.

00:04:28.460 So I'm grateful.

00:04:29.380 I hope it didn't all come back to me.

00:04:30.660 I all came back to you as a guy that can explain to unpack all of this stuff.

00:04:36.540 We talked about this before this.

00:04:39.280 And I wanted to, first of all, I want to say, you mentioned millions of people might know my stuff.

00:04:44.540 Maybe a little less than that.

00:04:45.740 But the people that know me, I think they'll like me.

00:04:47.760 People that don't know me, when they hear content creator or YouTuber or Twitch streamer,

00:04:51.460 I think they have an instant dislike, and I don't really blame them.

00:04:56.520 Like, I don't think that's, I think most people have an instant distrust of someone who has that as their job.

00:05:01.840 And I get it.

00:05:03.220 So I want to try and get across why people are turning to this, why this is becoming a new form of media.

00:05:09.520 And also understand that, like, if you don't, if this is not for you, I get it.

00:05:13.420 It's not, yeah.

00:05:14.340 No, but it should be.

00:05:15.320 But people, I mean, it explains more things in more ways on more days, particularly to parents.

00:05:18.900 I mean, I've got four young kids, and it's pretty overwhelming, the gaming culture that's out there.

00:05:23.900 So, I mean, what is it?

00:05:24.740 I mean, 70-plus percent of teenagers are active gamers?

00:05:29.120 Is that?

00:05:29.480 Among men, I assume it's higher.

00:05:30.740 I think it's a lot higher.

00:05:31.260 Even higher, right?

00:05:31.900 Yeah.

00:05:32.340 So I wanted to start with that.

00:05:33.720 You know, and I don't think this is your stance, but it's, like, really important for me to get across early.

00:05:37.820 It feels like in the wake of what happened with Charlie Kirk, there is a re-ignition of old, old, old debates

00:05:44.780 around how video games, violent video games are the problem.

00:05:47.440 And I just want to be so clear, from my POV and from the POV of my audience, who's, again, younger Gen Z men,

00:05:53.860 that's an insane, insane way to look at this.

00:05:56.580 You know, South Korea, Japan, UK, Germany, France, they all have the same rate of video game playing,

00:06:02.380 and they have none of the violent crime, or a small fraction of the violent crime.

00:06:05.240 That's exactly right.

00:06:05.720 There is no real correlation with it.

00:06:07.940 Yep.

00:06:08.440 So what I'll say is it's an easy scapegoat.

00:06:11.180 It is a really easy scapegoat.

00:06:12.480 Yeah.

00:06:12.600 And we can go into this for a while, but...

00:06:14.480 No, and by the way, full stipulate, could not agree with you more.

00:06:17.440 Okay.

00:06:17.680 As someone that's deeply focused on the issue of gun violence, mass shootings, and all these things,

00:06:23.600 and sort of the lazy punditry that comes back to this gaming culture has been completely debunked, 100%.

00:06:29.540 Yeah.

00:06:29.800 So could not agree with that more, just stipulating an alignment of thinking on that.

00:06:34.180 No, sure.

00:06:34.800 And then, you know, now they're saying, I think they're about to haul the head of Reddit, and Discord, and Twitch,

00:06:40.400 and all these people in front of Congress.

00:06:42.440 Listen, these...

00:06:45.560 The addiction to these things...

00:06:46.900 And there's something that is addiction.

00:06:47.920 I will say, some young men are spending a large percentage of their time on these platforms.

00:06:52.820 This is a symptom.

00:06:53.840 This is a symptom of them having almost nowhere else to go.

00:06:56.600 Yeah.

00:06:56.840 And especially when I talk about gaming, the idea that gaming is driving isolation,

00:07:01.700 and not isolation is leading to people trying to find an escape or connection through gaming,

00:07:06.580 it's the other way around.

00:07:07.700 I mean, that is what's happening.

00:07:08.840 So, I don't know if you have children, you have young boys?

00:07:11.880 Four young kids, yeah.

00:07:13.240 Can I ask what age your boys are?

00:07:14.920 Oldest just turned 16, and the two boys, 9 and 13.

00:07:19.180 Are they gamers?

00:07:19.860 Are they Roblox?

00:07:20.840 Are they Fortnite?

00:07:21.440 Every single day, I am battling, man.

00:07:27.040 Battling them on YouTube, watching someone else play Minecraft.

00:07:30.700 Yeah.

00:07:31.000 Watching someone else play a video game.

00:07:33.240 They're obsessed, buddy.

00:07:34.080 And so, what I would say is, you know, I assume you do the normal thing parents are doing,

00:07:38.660 especially in SF, they limit screen time, things like that.

00:07:40.500 But, to be honest, if you told them they can't play Roblox, or they can't play Fortnite,

00:07:44.680 you would make them less socially...

00:07:46.560 Like, they are less able to connect to their friends nowadays.

00:07:48.560 Yeah.

00:07:48.880 That is how they're doing.

00:07:49.880 That is...

00:07:51.080 I know it's a generation disconnect, but that is not the problem.

00:07:55.140 The young men that are turning to Discord servers and gaming are trying to find friends

00:08:00.140 and connection.

00:08:00.660 They are logging on after work and hanging out in voice chats with their friend and having

00:08:04.120 a good time.

00:08:05.000 This is, like, the one thing that's keeping them sane in a world that is going, I think,

00:08:08.780 increasingly insane and not offering them economic opportunities.

00:08:11.320 I love that.

00:08:11.820 Let's unpack, because, you know, I think a lot of people, obviously, YouTube people are familiar

00:08:15.700 with.

00:08:16.140 There's a sort of generation, though, that's heard of Twitch.

00:08:19.180 Yeah.

00:08:19.420 There's heard of Kik, that's heard of Discord, but they don't know what these things are.

00:08:24.260 Reddit, maybe people are a little bit more familiar with.

00:08:26.700 But talk to me.

00:08:27.520 And when I started, I mean, Twitch is sort of a go-to for a lot of folks in the gaming

00:08:31.980 space.

00:08:32.400 But explain what these are, what these platforms represent, how they started, and what they've

00:08:37.620 become.

00:08:38.320 Yeah.

00:08:38.600 So I worked at Twitch right around the time it started.

00:08:41.180 It was a very lucky thing for me, because I was a ASU, Arizona State University, the

00:08:45.640 Harvard of the Southwest, they call it, graduate.

00:08:48.940 And, you know, middling grades.

00:08:50.840 And I played a lot of games.

00:08:51.840 And it was very, very lucky that I found this route into Twitch, which was a website which

00:08:57.420 allowed gamers to broadcast themselves online.

00:08:59.580 That was the idea.

00:09:00.180 I'm playing the game.

00:09:01.440 Maybe I'm particularly good at it.

00:09:02.860 Maybe I'm funny while I play it.

00:09:04.400 And people that also played the game found that to be entertaining, and they would start

00:09:07.940 to build communities and audiences, and it would grow.

00:09:09.660 And tell me, at what time were people starting to really, I mean, was it a particular individual

00:09:14.540 that said, hey, I'm going to put myself online?

00:09:17.180 Was there a moment that marked consciousness of this whole, I mean, because it's become

00:09:20.840 a gigantic business, and we'll get to that in a moment.

00:09:24.080 But was Twitch really the first to really popularize as a platform?

00:09:27.580 Yeah.

00:09:27.900 Twitch was the one that found this niche early.

00:09:31.500 And what years are we talking about?

00:09:32.980 2014-ish.

00:09:34.000 That's around when I joined.

00:09:36.060 And it grows.

00:09:36.680 And then around COVID, it explodes.

00:09:38.960 Explodes.

00:09:39.360 Because everyone's stuck at home, and it just hits the right time in the right place.

00:09:43.120 Let's back up a little bit.

00:09:44.460 You discovered Twitch as someone not just doing content, but someone that was marketing

00:09:50.560 the content.

00:09:51.500 Were you working for Twitch?

00:09:52.180 I never had any interest in doing content myself.

00:09:54.420 I was at Twitch, and they needed someone to go on camera every now and then, and I was

00:09:58.220 the one stupid enough to volunteer.

00:09:59.820 And I got some training, and I was using the program.

00:10:02.240 And you got on camera, and you started doing what?

00:10:03.860 You started explaining the video.

00:10:06.460 No, you know, here's the thing.

00:10:08.440 So what I'm saying might sound completely unwatchable to someone who doesn't play video

00:10:13.120 games.

00:10:13.500 Yeah.

00:10:13.760 But over the past, since 2014 to now, the platform has changed dramatically.

00:10:18.220 The biggest thing on the website is not games at all.

00:10:20.300 It's just people talking to the camera about their lives, about the news, about what's going

00:10:24.340 on in the world.

00:10:25.220 People are just using it because it's a real direct connection.

00:10:27.500 Yeah.

00:10:27.700 Okay?

00:10:28.480 And so that has become the main thing.

00:10:30.740 The gaming is still a big part of Twitch, but it's into the culture.

00:10:33.880 You might play games a little bit during the day, then Switch talking about the news,

00:10:36.160 Switch talking about watching YouTube videos.

00:10:37.540 Right.

00:10:37.660 You can do anything.

00:10:38.900 So that's the path that we went on.

00:10:42.060 Yeah.

00:10:42.240 At the time, I'm sorry, what was your, sorry.

00:10:44.680 No, just at the time you were, what was the biggest content that was being provided at

00:10:49.160 that time?

00:10:49.600 Was it, was there a particular game that was mostly popularized or that was disproportionately

00:10:54.080 being popularized?

00:10:55.160 Yeah, what blew it up?

00:10:55.660 So I, again, first it was COVID and then I would say, you know, celebrities started to

00:11:00.940 go on every now and then.

00:11:02.120 And I think Drake played with Ninja, some Fortnite and that every, every, every, I know I was

00:11:07.020 there.

00:11:07.200 I saw every little step would blow Twitch up a little bit more and then it started to

00:11:09.900 get bigger and bigger.

00:11:10.720 Right.

00:11:11.200 But what I would say is it's spread beyond Twitch now.

00:11:13.500 It's got kick.

00:11:14.160 It's got YouTube.

00:11:15.400 It's TikTok live.

00:11:16.780 Right.

00:11:16.880 What I'm saying is people right now are just engaging through content creators because

00:11:19.980 they have this more direct one-to-one connection.

00:11:22.880 I actually, what I'll say, what it is, is, um, and you probably deal with this as a challenge

00:11:27.740 when you're trying to speak.

00:11:28.720 Like people are very, very tired of inauthenticity.

00:11:33.040 Yeah.

00:11:33.280 That's what I, that's what I feel.

00:11:34.360 People feel like everyone's out to sell them something.

00:11:36.520 Everyone's out to get them.

00:11:37.320 And even content creators are doing this.

00:11:38.860 Yeah.

00:11:39.340 But they're trying to find somebody they can trust.

00:11:42.100 That is the main thing.

00:11:43.260 Right.

00:11:43.600 Is trust.

00:11:44.320 And so you're saying kids are going online and they, and they end up looking for that.

00:11:47.500 They see someone they can identify with through a medium that they're already identified

00:11:51.980 with, a game that they have in common or interests that they have in common.

00:11:56.400 And, and, and so Twitch figured this thing out.

00:11:59.300 Um, and, but, and you made an important point.

00:12:01.580 Twitch is not, it's not just a platform exclusively for gaming.

00:12:04.560 Not even close.

00:12:05.100 The biggest thing on the platform is not gaming.

00:12:06.620 Just, I think that's a shock to some people, but it really is just people talking, people

00:12:10.440 having fun.

00:12:10.960 And it's these sort of areas of interest where you get into these group chats and there's

00:12:16.040 sort of an interactivity.

00:12:17.200 People are engaged in a two-way conversation, not just one.

00:12:20.220 Yeah.

00:12:20.680 Yeah.

00:12:20.860 It's live.

00:12:21.220 I mean, at a big enough chat, you're not really talking one-to-one, but the idea is

00:12:25.080 people feel like their voice is somewhat being heard.

00:12:27.560 And what's the difference between Twitch and Discord?

00:12:30.360 So Discord is just a chat room.

00:12:32.100 And that's why it's kind of funny.

00:12:33.340 You know, uh, there's a lot of, um, among Gen Z, there's these memes going around about

00:12:38.400 people getting messages from their parents.

00:12:40.160 I heard you're using Discord.

00:12:41.060 Were you talking to this?

00:12:42.280 Tyler?

00:12:42.440 Like, it's, it's just the chat.

00:12:43.840 It's nobody's, it's your own private little room with your friends.

00:12:47.200 Discord is the platform.

00:12:48.080 It's like saying, I heard you're using an iPhone.

00:12:50.380 Did the killer use an iPhone?

00:12:52.160 Did you, you know what I'm saying?

00:12:53.100 It's just a, you're not in the same, uh, group.

00:12:56.140 And you're referring to, cause there was, I mean, you, you, you hear about Discord often

00:13:00.900 in the context of some of these more high profile instances.

00:13:04.800 Yeah.

00:13:04.940 Obviously this Tyler Robinson is accused of, of, accused of shooting Charlie Kirk, uh, used

00:13:11.540 a Discord.

00:13:12.540 Yeah, but he used a Discord chat room with his friends.

00:13:15.140 Nobody else is, it's, you know, and it's any, any medium could have done this.

00:13:18.860 The, the idea that Discord is uniquely, uh, brewing people like this is, is, uh, unsubstantiated.

00:13:25.840 Got it.

00:13:26.240 So the gaming area, the gaming, most of the gaming platforms, YouTube's sort of dominant

00:13:30.700 in this space.

00:13:31.440 Yeah.

00:13:31.760 Along with Twitch, who else is sort of emerging in the gaming space as the platform, the sort

00:13:36.920 of to-go platform?

00:13:38.200 Yeah.

00:13:38.420 I would say YouTube and Twitch is the vast, vast majority of people doing this.

00:13:43.820 You could talk about Kick, you could talk about Rumble, you could talk about the more

00:13:46.680 fringe, wild ones, but, uh, Twitch and YouTube.

00:13:50.280 And YouTube is the 800 pound gorilla in the space.

00:13:52.580 It really is mostly YouTube.

00:13:53.680 That's where people are getting it.

00:13:54.200 That's where I'm putting out my content online.

00:13:55.720 That's where most people are getting it.

00:13:57.460 And so you started just as you, you just were there in Arizona.

00:14:01.600 You're just getting good on games.

00:14:03.060 You just, you know, you just found just sort of a proclivity for it.

00:14:06.040 You're loving it.

00:14:06.900 You remember the first game you were like deep into, like you're just obsessed with.

00:14:10.280 Okay.

00:14:10.580 Well, no, here's what I want to say is like, this is me in Arizona.

00:14:14.120 I've graduated.

00:14:15.080 I'm trying to find a job.

00:14:16.780 I had okay grades and the, and the college is not some incredible degree.

00:14:20.700 Okay.

00:14:21.180 So I'm, I'm figuring it out.

00:14:23.100 And, and thanks to a lucky opportunity and thanks to the economy being in a better spot

00:14:27.320 at the time, I get this last chopper out of nom.

00:14:30.440 It feels like where I get a decent chance to, to go off and make enough money to now I can,

00:14:37.180 uh, you know, I'm married.

00:14:38.440 I have a, I have a house that I'm paying down.

00:14:40.560 It's expensive.

00:14:40.880 But so, uh, I have friends now who are younger than me that are like, I have a friend who's

00:14:46.240 graduating from Berkeley, uh, computer science, smart guy.

00:14:50.060 He's graduating in an environment that is a hundred times harder to get a job than it

00:14:54.580 was in 2014, 2015.

00:14:56.100 It's not his fault.

00:14:56.920 He didn't do anything different.

00:14:58.180 So that is going to make him more likely to be nihilistic.

00:15:02.600 It's more likely to make him disengage from the system, more likely to make him angry at

00:15:06.920 politicians left and right.

00:15:08.220 It's just, it's not, it's tough to say that like, I just find it for, and you're not doing

00:15:13.860 this, but I'm saying I'm finding it frustrating.

00:15:15.840 The endless pointing to discord, Reddit, Twitch, it's, this has nothing to do with it.

00:15:22.620 It is, it is the situation where people are, are more and more desperate.

00:15:26.380 Uh, for a direction to go.

00:15:28.400 So yeah, I can tell you about a game I played.

00:15:30.100 I mean, I played, I played, I wasted my college on a game like League of Legends.

00:15:33.600 I wasted, you know, but I, but you didn't waste your, because you created a career.

00:15:38.620 I got lucky.

00:15:39.480 I mean, I don't, I don't think that's, uh, and what I do now has almost nothing to do

00:15:43.620 with gaming.

00:15:44.000 I'll be honest with you.

00:15:44.600 My, my audience hates when I game.

00:15:47.260 But you're a world record holder.

00:15:49.020 So people have an understanding who we're talking to here.

00:15:51.520 And you crushed it.

00:15:53.340 World record holder, what, for Hitman, right?

00:15:55.640 Yeah.

00:15:55.920 There's a game called Hitman where you, uh, you know, you're, you're flying around and

00:15:59.420 I, listen, I, I, uh, that is a time of my life where I was here.

00:16:03.780 I started doing this when I was working at NVIDIA.

00:16:05.540 I was working some insane hours and I wanted to come home and disengage.

00:16:08.680 I wanted to just play video games and I wanted some friends in the chat to do it.

00:16:11.880 That did pretty well.

00:16:13.280 And it started to take off.

00:16:14.160 Then after COVID, I started talking about, you know, I'm an avid reader.

00:16:17.740 I'm reading the news every day and I want to talk, I just give my thoughts.

00:16:20.340 That started to take off.

00:16:21.560 And eventually that was enough that I could leave a job that was really stable and good

00:16:24.260 at NVIDIA to try and do this full time.

00:16:26.220 And you started to be able to monetize it at that level.

00:16:28.620 Sure.

00:16:28.800 Yeah.

00:16:28.980 Working for one of the great chip companies on planet earth.

00:16:32.000 Yeah.

00:16:32.260 And now one of the biggest market cap companies, quite literally.

00:16:34.880 In human history.

00:16:35.440 In the world.

00:16:35.880 Yeah.

00:16:36.000 Uh, and, and, and you started making the kind of money that you said, man, I'm just full

00:16:40.040 time now on this.

00:16:41.740 I was full.

00:16:42.300 Yeah.

00:16:42.440 Nothing majority about a content creator.

00:16:44.360 Quite the contrary.

00:16:45.320 It's just the opposite.

00:16:46.320 I don't know.

00:16:46.760 I mean, no, it's, you're an entrepreneur.

00:16:48.280 You're a small business person.

00:16:49.520 You put something out there, took a risk.

00:16:51.900 Uh, you're on a platform.

00:16:53.160 You're taking a passion.

00:16:54.460 Uh, you're sharing it, uh, in a very public way.

00:16:57.040 You're building an audience and marketing it.

00:16:58.760 I mean, that's pretty.

00:16:59.460 I appreciate everything you're saying.

00:17:01.040 And it's nice of you to say, but there, as with all things, there's some aspect of hard work

00:17:05.120 and some aspect of luck.

00:17:06.100 And there's a, and the idea that this is the path that everyone could just, you know,

00:17:10.560 I, I, I can think of so many times things could have gone a different way.

00:17:13.840 Right.

00:17:14.080 And I'll be in a different spot.

00:17:15.680 And.

00:17:15.940 And you'll acknowledge, I mean, and, and I think it's just important to illuminate.

00:17:18.740 I mean, but a lot of people are finding this path, right?

00:17:21.400 I mean, this is becoming the opportunity.

00:17:23.540 You kind of are lately, huh?

00:17:25.280 No, yeah, well, no, I mean, I'm not going to, we'll see what happens, but it's in terms

00:17:29.160 of my future, Jesus, but it's no, but it's, but it's interesting to me.

00:17:32.320 I mean, it's, I think it's people just to understand and absorb a sort of this digital

00:17:36.880 first experience.

00:17:37.840 I mean, there's a whole generation that frankly, they, they're digital.

00:17:42.240 Obviously we talk about digital immigrants versus digital natives, uh, in sort of a lazy

00:17:46.100 vernacular, but this whole digital first experience is, is radically changing everything, including

00:17:51.660 sports.

00:17:52.160 So we're going to get to that in a moment, but, but the gaming culture is real.

00:17:56.620 It's growing.

00:17:57.520 You've got stadiums now quite literally filled physical stadiums with people watching these

00:18:03.600 e-sports, uh, and other people playing games, uh, to a degree that I don't think most people

00:18:10.060 fully absorb or understand.

00:18:11.600 Yeah.

00:18:11.920 That's how I started.

00:18:12.660 I went to a study abroad in South Korea and they had these big tournaments and I was blown

00:18:17.300 away and I was like, let's get this in America.

00:18:19.160 Let's start.

00:18:19.580 It happened without me, but I came back and started to work in that space and that blew

00:18:23.980 up.

00:18:24.400 But again, I can't tell you enough, uh, this, like the e-sports is, is really a small part

00:18:30.560 of what is becoming this online, um, influencer first culture.

00:18:35.520 If you were to spend some time browsing Twitch, you would not see as much gaming as you're thinking

00:18:39.780 on the high.

00:18:40.520 It really is people just looking for human connection, humans to talk to.

00:18:45.000 And I'm not saying this is all a good thing.

00:18:46.920 I'm not saying everyone should be spending all their time on these platforms.

00:18:49.900 I am just saying that it's, it's a very natural response to, to things getting more expensive,

00:18:55.140 to looking for, to finding people who have shared some similar values or ideas as you

00:18:58.840 across the world.

00:19:00.120 So.

00:19:00.560 No, I love that.

00:19:01.280 I want to get to all that.

00:19:02.080 Cause I mean, there's those deep issues, generational issues that, uh, we've, we've been talking

00:19:07.400 about on the podcast with a number of people in the past and, and it's off the chart, particularly

00:19:11.280 for men.

00:19:11.840 And, and so I just want to unpack it a little bit more, just again, for people that are

00:19:15.280 not fully, uh, that just don't have the level of understanding the space, but you, you talk

00:19:20.600 about e-sports and I just think it's an interesting space in this context.

00:19:24.880 You say it's a relatively small space, but it's not a small amount of investment that

00:19:28.920 it seems people are making.

00:19:29.880 I was just reading about Michael Jordan, uh, Shaquille O'Neal, Beckham, uh, folks putting

00:19:34.760 tens of millions of dollars, uh, into e-sports teams.

00:19:38.780 I mean, this thing, this thing's growing.

00:19:41.140 Yeah.

00:19:41.360 But what I'll tell you is being dead honest, Gavin, a lot of them are going to lose their

00:19:44.700 shirt on this.

00:19:45.380 It's not, you know, I've been around the e-sports space a while and a lot of people have gotten

00:19:49.980 burned.

00:19:50.600 The problem is it's really hard to monetize the user.

00:19:53.040 They, they, they love watching it.

00:19:54.700 They love watching it for free.

00:19:56.040 They don't, you know, there's not a, there's not a lot of in-person stadium buying merch

00:19:59.260 going.

00:20:00.000 Right.

00:20:00.280 The business economics of e-sports are interesting, but it is growing in terms of viewership and

00:20:04.300 it'll get there, but they got way ahead of their skis.

00:20:07.040 I think a lot of people are, are coming down off the highs.

00:20:09.740 You know, it was like, it was one of those things, almost every business, there's some

00:20:11.940 story about 2021.

00:20:13.120 It was crazy.

00:20:14.060 Yeah.

00:20:14.340 And then it's, that's, that's happening with these.

00:20:16.160 It was kind of, it was at a peak 2021.

00:20:17.960 Yeah.

00:20:18.240 2021.

00:20:18.860 It was like, you could do the salaries were insane.

00:20:21.120 They were getting paid absurd amounts for these players to sit in the room and play games.

00:20:24.520 It's less now, you know, it's, it's, and I, you know, Rick Fox of the Lakers put a bunch

00:20:29.160 of money into a team lost, you know, had to get out.

00:20:31.260 And I'm saying it'll happen, but I'm not going to be one of those guys.

00:20:35.080 It's like e-sports is right here.

00:20:36.700 Get your money.

00:20:37.220 You know, it's, it's a grassroots thing.

00:20:38.960 It's growing.

00:20:39.300 And so you're, what's interesting about you is not only your history and, and, and, and,

00:20:44.620 and how you've evolved in terms of your own career path and, and going into these aspects

00:20:49.980 and disciplines, but the marketing background and the business background and the work you're

00:20:53.620 doing on a new podcast, uh, lemon, it was lemonade, lemonade stand.

00:20:57.120 And you're talking about business and branding, et cetera, but you mentioned just in, in reference

00:21:01.680 and passing something that I think is interesting and, and for folks, again, may not be familiar

00:21:05.820 with on Fortnite in particular, which I just remember my kids watching religiously to your

00:21:10.560 point during COVID, uh, excessively as a parent from my perspective.

00:21:16.020 Uh, but, uh, from their perspective, they were, I just got on it, dad.

00:21:19.800 What do you mean?

00:21:20.320 I've only been on for 10 minutes, but I remember turning it on one day and they're listening to

00:21:23.980 a concert.

00:21:24.440 I'm like, what are you guys listening to?

00:21:25.560 It's like, I think it was Marshmallow or.

00:21:27.460 Oh yeah.

00:21:27.720 They did concerts.

00:21:28.460 Yeah.

00:21:28.660 No.

00:21:28.800 And they, so that fascinated me to this integration for live concerts, uh, Travis Scott, that is,

00:21:34.920 I think Ariana Grande, uh, may have done one also brands, right?

00:21:38.760 I mean, you've got Nike now working on those and those platforms, Louis Vuitton.

00:21:43.420 Um, I mean, tell me a little bit about that.

00:21:45.120 Give us a sense of what that integration as well.

00:21:47.700 Yeah.

00:21:48.000 I mean, it is as crazy as it can sound from someone outside of it.

00:21:52.980 It's people all over the world in a digital world, watching these concerts together.

00:21:56.040 They can see each other.

00:21:56.880 They're jumping around.

00:21:57.520 They're having a good time.

00:21:58.540 And it's just becoming where the culture, that is where I think there is such a line

00:22:03.380 if you grew with it or you didn't.

00:22:05.040 And, uh, and I think that is what allows me to talk about other things with the lingo

00:22:10.320 and the references that they use, because it's just something they're native to a hundred

00:22:15.500 percent.

00:22:15.880 But I, you know, I think people will, will come around to it.

00:22:21.340 I, you know, here's an example, uh, for e-sports, all of the biggest ways to watch it are not,

00:22:28.100 you know how you watch the NFL through the NFL's official broadcast or a pirated version

00:22:32.920 if you're young, but you're watching the official commentators, uh, for e-sports, it doesn't

00:22:37.160 happen that way.

00:22:37.940 They make an official broadcast and then a million people will restream it and all their

00:22:41.480 own commentary.

00:22:42.140 And those guys get way more viewers than the official broadcast.

00:22:45.600 Right.

00:22:45.740 And we're starting to see that happen with sports where they'll have like the Manning

00:22:49.160 cast for the NFL who a lot of rights issues are in the way, but eventually they're going

00:22:52.800 to crack the code because the average person wants to see this stuff filtered through someone

00:22:57.220 they trust and understand.

00:22:58.480 And it's speaking to them like a regular person, right?

00:23:00.480 That's going to happen in sport.

00:23:01.480 It's going to happen all over that.

00:23:02.500 The democratization of all of this stuff is happening and it is reaching sports now.

00:23:08.300 And it's going to, it's going to happen to things you understand as well.

00:23:10.720 But, um, yeah, it's weird seeing it live, you know, gaming has been on the cutting edge

00:23:15.800 of this because I, again, back to my original point, it's just where people are finding

00:23:19.360 friends and connections where they can find it.

00:23:20.840 Right.

00:23:21.280 It's filling a void that they need filled.

00:23:23.480 So this, so let's go back to that.

00:23:25.160 And we'll go back to your reference, sort of this, these moments that sort of mark the

00:23:28.980 accelerant.

00:23:29.640 And obviously COVID was just off the charts in terms of just people trying to connect,

00:23:34.520 feeling totally isolated, disconnected, and they can find those relationships online.

00:23:38.240 They could find those groups of interest.

00:23:40.400 They can, they can literally develop friendships and relationships online that they otherwise

00:23:45.300 wouldn't have had necessarily the opportunity, particularly during COVID.

00:23:48.420 Talk to me about, you know, those years, you talk about 2021 representing sort of a peak

00:23:53.680 of consciousness.

00:23:54.740 But what, what, what do you see start to really take shape during those COVID years?

00:23:58.900 I mean, so after 2020, there's a lot of new money, both from Trump and Biden floating around

00:24:07.000 the economy.

00:24:07.500 They both did a lot of stimulus and printing and that went into tech startups and that went

00:24:13.080 into, uh, e-sports and that went into Twitch and that went into all this stuff.

00:24:18.020 And there was a lot of it floating around.

00:24:19.520 There was, uh, you know, I remember, um, there was the GameStop stock craze and everyone wanted

00:24:23.960 to find someone to watch on that.

00:24:25.400 And that was, these things became cultural flashpoints that were taking place entirely

00:24:29.240 online.

00:24:29.860 And then after 2021, we started to get inflation, a lot of inflation that made doing things

00:24:36.240 that weren't online more expensive and more difficult.

00:24:38.900 That's combined with COVID.

00:24:40.600 And so these things, I think, combined to push people more into online spaces than perhaps

00:24:46.440 natural law would dictate.

00:24:48.220 I mean, that, that is what happened.

00:24:49.640 And so, um, it's good and bad.

00:24:51.740 You know, as a content creator, COVID was, uh, uh, exposure to an entirely new audience.

00:24:56.540 It grew a lot bigger, but it's not, I wouldn't say it was a good thing for overall.

00:25:00.380 I, you know, that's not how I'd frame it.

00:25:02.700 And what, in, in, in what way is it not?

00:25:04.420 I mean, the unhealthy aspects are what you try to get offline so you can get back into

00:25:09.700 a line and reconnect with people back in the real world.

00:25:12.240 I mean, well, in what way was it, was it, what I'm saying is I think people, people want

00:25:17.940 to do that naturally, they just can't, they just, it is just more difficult.

00:25:22.480 You know, I, I don't know if we want to get to it now, but I, I do want to start talking

00:25:26.880 about Gen Z men and, uh, the issue I'm seeing, not all of them are like, it's a broad, diverse

00:25:34.160 group, of course.

00:25:34.660 And, and it's a huge point in my audience and I'm hearing them, I'm hearing their, their

00:25:38.940 thoughts a lot.

00:25:40.680 They range from angry to openly nihilistic.

00:25:45.100 And the nihilism is what's coming is what I sense growing a little bit where they're

00:25:49.980 disillusioned.

00:25:50.740 You know, I think around 22, three, four, you probably saw this on the political side.

00:25:55.860 They drifted more conservative because they thought that would be the solution.

00:25:59.680 Right.

00:26:00.000 And as Donald Trump has proven to be not the answer to any of their problems.

00:26:02.800 And in fact, making a lot of them worse, making the inflation worse, making the economy

00:26:05.940 worse, making, then they are now just drifting into open nihilism.

00:26:09.680 And that, that is what I'm saying.

00:26:10.840 And I'm not to, to blame that on the, the methods they're using to try and not be that

00:26:17.140 is crazy.

00:26:17.720 It's not, that's not the issue.

00:26:18.840 It's not the discord.

00:26:19.660 It's not the, yeah.

00:26:20.880 Right.

00:26:21.420 No, I, no, I appreciate that.

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00:30:39.440 In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions

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00:31:36.960 But it does beg sort of the larger consciousness that came out of the Trump campaign as it relates

00:31:47.060 to, you're right, he obviously dominated, particularly with young men, but outperformed

00:31:52.540 in ways that I think surprised a lot of folks and invested a lot of time and energy into

00:31:57.640 spaces where a lot of young men were and where a lot of young men are.

00:32:01.800 We talk about podcasts.

00:32:03.140 We talk about this sort of manosphere, broadly defined, which is something that needs to

00:32:06.880 be unpacked.

00:32:08.120 But he did invest that time and energy to meet people, quote unquote, where they are.

00:32:15.760 And we didn't see that commensurate investment from the Democratic Party.

00:32:19.460 Certainly didn't see it from Biden or Harris.

00:32:21.400 We're not really seeing it now.

00:32:23.220 I think I appreciate what you're doing here.

00:32:24.780 And I like this podcast is a good step.

00:32:27.260 But, you know, I saw a piece from Hester Klein the other day where he talked about how it's

00:32:33.120 seems like, and again, I'm going to be candid here.

00:32:35.640 It seems like the DNC as a whole is trying to run a very similar playbook that didn't

00:32:42.260 work and is wondering why they're not getting different results.

00:32:45.260 It is shocking to me that with as bad as Trump is doing, and it really is.

00:32:51.780 Again, if I want to be your Gen Z whisperer for a second, again, I'm a millennial.

00:32:55.360 I'm 34.

00:32:56.040 They're going to call me old.

00:32:56.920 My hairline's bad.

00:32:58.240 You're going to call me old bald.

00:32:59.600 Trust me.

00:33:00.520 Old man.

00:33:00.980 They are turning on Donald Trump in a way that will come apparent pretty soon.

00:33:09.280 But they're not turning towards the Democratic Party.

00:33:12.380 That's the difference.

00:33:12.860 Yeah.

00:33:13.040 Yeah.

00:33:13.360 They're equally as upset with them, which is what I think the problem is.

00:33:17.120 And it's kind of crazy that it's not being capitalized on more.

00:33:20.660 And I will give you credit.

00:33:21.740 I think what you have been doing is kind of breaking through the noise.

00:33:24.620 It's showing a little bit of, I don't know, a spine of a willingness to stand up to what

00:33:29.440 he's doing, but if I can be honest, all right, here's what I'll say.

00:33:36.880 And you haven't announced anything, and this is not, but there's a theoretical world where

00:33:40.540 you're going to run for president.

00:33:41.660 I'm just going to say it.

00:33:42.500 You don't say anything.

00:33:43.420 Okay.

00:33:43.720 This is a virtual world.

00:33:45.560 Yeah.

00:33:45.860 Yeah, a virtual world.

00:33:47.040 Right.

00:33:47.360 The betting markets have you leading.

00:33:48.840 Okay?

00:33:49.600 There's a theoretical world.

00:33:50.560 And if I can get somebody who's not militarizing the National Guard and somebody who's not

00:34:00.460 shutting down TV shows that disagree with them and somebody who's not threatening free

00:34:04.700 and fair elections, that's a huge win already.

00:34:06.640 It's a low bar to clear.

00:34:07.600 It's an easy clear.

00:34:08.360 Pretty low bar, but I get it.

00:34:09.420 But, you know, realistically, from the audience that I'm talking about, because again, I

00:34:14.740 think I got lucky.

00:34:15.640 I got the last chapter out of Nam.

00:34:16.460 I'm feeling fine.

00:34:17.940 They can't go back to the status quo, Gavin.

00:34:21.320 They just can't.

00:34:21.940 They will continue to grow more upset and populist and nihilistic unless things seriously change.

00:34:30.460 Like, they have to change on a more fundamental level.

00:34:32.780 Look, so let's start to unpack this, because, I mean, I love the clarity as you painted this

00:34:38.980 picture.

00:34:39.520 I mean, it's, you know, it's pretty black and white terms, as you painted it.

00:34:43.040 I mean, just like this notion of nihilism, of just like not giving a shit about anything

00:34:48.060 and blowing the whole goddamn thing up.

00:34:49.780 And the most extreme example would be someone like Tyler Robinson.

00:34:51.960 If you look at, you know, his, and I'm not a psychoanalyst, I'm not an expert, but there

00:34:55.800 seems to be a nihilism to these kind of actions and from young people in general that is rising

00:35:00.560 where it just feels like, if I can't get a house, if you're a young man, I can't get

00:35:04.400 a partner, I can't find a way to be up, to feel roots in the society that I'm in, then

00:35:10.580 I'm going to drift out of it.

00:35:12.040 I'm going to disengage.

00:35:13.900 And they would find any tool to do it.

00:35:16.540 In fact, I would say that one of the healthiest things they can do is gaming and Discord, because

00:35:20.420 that's with other people.

00:35:21.280 They are finding friends.

00:35:22.840 The Discord chats that I'm in are not making me or radicalize.

00:35:25.620 I'm connecting with people all over the world.

00:35:27.160 It's great.

00:35:27.620 But in fact, you know, here's an example.

00:35:29.940 I don't know if you've heard about what happened in Nepal recently.

00:35:31.760 Can I?

00:35:32.080 Of course.

00:35:32.480 No.

00:35:32.780 Remarkable with Instagram.

00:35:33.900 Yeah.

00:35:34.320 Yeah.

00:35:34.580 So Nepal, their Gen Z youth was deeply upset about rising youth unemployment, rising poverty.

00:35:42.000 And they were posting about it on social media and they were getting angry.

00:35:44.740 Then the government tried to ban social media.

00:35:46.660 And that's when they took the streets.

00:35:47.960 That's when they're going.

00:35:48.580 That's when they're rioting.

00:35:49.780 That's when they're going crazy, because these are the last outlets people have.

00:35:54.320 So I just want to give that perspective here, is that if Congress is going to haul Discord

00:36:00.260 and Twitch and Reddit up there and think that restricting them or banning them is going

00:36:04.100 to solve this problem, it is not.

00:36:06.420 I'd be so clear.

00:36:07.280 It is not.

00:36:07.720 It's going to make it more virulent.

00:36:11.140 No, look, I think what you're saying is profoundly important.

00:36:15.280 And I'm not trying to go back, but I want to paint this picture because I want to land

00:36:20.200 exactly where you're going.

00:36:22.800 Because I think what you're saying needs to be said, because there were these trend lines

00:36:28.240 that predate all of this for decades and decades.

00:36:31.700 And we have the first generation, this Gen Z, that literally is poised to do much worse

00:36:36.500 than their parents' generation.

00:36:37.980 This is the first generation in our lifetime, my lifetime certainly, but literally in American

00:36:42.900 history where that would be the case.

00:36:44.880 And so this is code red.

00:36:46.580 And it's led to suicides.

00:36:48.080 It's led to dropouts.

00:36:49.140 It's led to all kinds of related issues.

00:36:51.240 And these guys are screaming, disproportionately men in some respects, and no one's paying

00:36:56.820 any damn attention.

00:36:58.140 And now we're looking at things.

00:36:59.740 And I love what you're saying.

00:37:00.760 We're looking at the platforms and not the underlying damn issues.

00:37:03.280 Yeah, a couple of stats.

00:37:03.900 Oh, sorry.

00:37:04.400 No, but yeah.

00:37:05.040 But I want to get to, and I want you to hold those stats because I think they're incredibly

00:37:07.740 important.

00:37:08.600 But I want to go back just so, again, just because so many people want to understand,

00:37:13.820 and these are not root causes, but they're component parts of this larger conversation.

00:37:19.060 We talk about the manosphere.

00:37:20.600 What does that mean to you?

00:37:22.600 I mean, what is it?

00:37:23.200 This is an investment that I think Trump and the Republicans made into spaces that are not

00:37:29.100 even inherently political.

00:37:30.800 They are spaces where people are talking about wrestling or UFC or video games or just finding

00:37:39.760 connection, often with other men, and just trying to understand similar experiences in

00:37:43.400 the world.

00:37:44.100 And they invested in those spaces.

00:37:45.600 And then, hey, you like this?

00:37:47.300 Also on the side, let's stop the woke mind virus.

00:37:52.060 Or you know what?

00:37:52.400 It would be something like that.

00:37:53.380 It would be, Kamala Harris is not going to help you out.

00:37:56.300 That's the idea.

00:37:57.160 And they would mix that in with things people already like.

00:37:59.440 And it became very easy to slide in.

00:38:02.160 And what's crazy, I don't think it's that hard for the Democrats to join these spaces.

00:38:07.740 Most people like watching sports.

00:38:09.120 Most people like, it's not rocket science.

00:38:12.080 And I think, again, I can't overstate how it feels like a ball somewhere is being dropped

00:38:17.740 when you can't speak even semi-authentically to people that are not from a different world.

00:38:23.240 They're not that crazy.

00:38:25.900 That's a problem that I would point out.

00:38:28.520 And I think they did a good job with it.

00:38:29.700 But I will also say this.

00:38:31.320 Listen, we're going to fight in this country about social issues left and right forever,

00:38:36.960 it seems.

00:38:37.280 And I really noticed that in the wake of this Charlie Kirk thing where it's just an endless

00:38:41.520 amount of noise from every direction.

00:38:43.660 You are inundated with it on social media.

00:38:45.700 Every take goes viral in every direction.

00:38:47.900 And nobody's making any progress and no one's making any forward motion.

00:38:51.700 But what I'll say is the main thing that I am seeing and feeling was a deep resentment

00:39:01.280 around costs and inflation and housing.

00:39:03.660 And I truly think whichever side can solve those problems will dictate, not dictate, but

00:39:09.800 will take the lead on social issues.

00:39:12.520 People will go whatever direction is going to offer them solutions on that.

00:39:16.400 And because Trump has not done that, like he promised, there's already a reverse boomerang

00:39:21.440 starting.

00:39:21.800 OK, it's going to go the other way, regardless of whether or not anyone reaches out to podcasts,

00:39:26.420 there will be a reverse boomerang.

00:39:27.940 But if it goes this way and that isn't solved again, it'll be an even stronger.

00:39:32.480 That is how it's going to play out.

00:39:34.360 I'm certain of it.

00:39:35.560 So, yeah.

00:39:38.520 Yeah.

00:39:38.760 So you're talking, I mean, it's, you know, unpacking this a little bit.

00:39:41.580 It's it's not just about politics.

00:39:43.180 I mean, you talk about nihilism or broadly defined.

00:39:45.640 I mean, this is just, you know, despair.

00:39:47.880 It's economics.

00:39:48.520 It's economics.

00:39:49.020 I really is.

00:39:49.760 Yeah.

00:39:50.180 And so, you know, one thing as a goal of mine on this podcast is to try and get you

00:39:56.800 not because I understand you have to win.

00:39:59.960 Not a win.

00:40:00.500 OK, I'm just you have to gain support.

00:40:02.260 You're a politician.

00:40:03.000 You have to represent more than just some individual base.

00:40:06.060 And I think what you're doing, talking to people politically different than you is a

00:40:10.220 big step.

00:40:10.780 And that's awesome.

00:40:11.240 And I think that's cool to gain voters.

00:40:13.180 Um, and gain, understand more and understanding.

00:40:17.000 Yeah.

00:40:17.100 No BS.

00:40:17.800 Like gain understanding.

00:40:18.760 I mean, Charlie Kirk on this show is when we launched this podcast is the first.

00:40:21.840 And I mean, and I got big people were pissed.

00:40:24.800 I, and you know, what's funny is, is, uh, I respected more for that.

00:40:28.940 I, I, I tried to do some research and watch some of these.

00:40:31.040 Some of the comments are, are brutal on you and you did it anyway.

00:40:33.300 And I respect you to keep doing it.

00:40:34.420 Yeah.

00:40:34.900 But so, um, I'm not here to like push you in a direction that is going to make it harder

00:40:41.300 to get a broader base.

00:40:42.320 I think politicians should for try to represent people that aren't directly aligned with them.

00:40:45.980 What I'm trying to get you to understand is like, uh, I think I want to push you a little

00:40:51.740 bit more economically on, you know, in this country from like the forties to the eighties,

00:40:57.100 we had an extremely low Gini coefficient of inequality.

00:41:00.840 It was, it was low and flat for years, a strong rising middle class and people broadly feeling

00:41:07.900 were, were proud of their country.

00:41:10.720 They were, and it wasn't like Marxism.

00:41:12.760 It wasn't, you know, it was a capitalist country and businesses could thrive, but people felt

00:41:18.020 like they had a real chance.

00:41:18.860 And since we've allowed this increased consolidation, since we've continually used government funds

00:41:25.560 to prop up the stocks and housing of elderly boomers that own it all, it is, it has become

00:41:31.340 more, it's a ladder that is fewer and fewer rungs to get on.

00:41:34.520 And, uh, so if, if there isn't substantive change on that front, nothing else matters.

00:41:42.140 It's what I'm saying.

00:41:42.520 I really believe that nothing else matters.

00:41:44.340 It doesn't, it won't break through.

00:41:46.440 Um, and I understand that, you know, these boomers vote too.

00:41:50.060 I, I, again, people give you a lot of crap for California housing.

00:41:53.600 I, it's a tough problem.

00:41:54.860 The more I look into it, it's, I used to be someone who just threw around blame really

00:41:58.240 easily.

00:41:58.540 And now I read more, it gets me depressed because it's like, it's an impossible complex problem.

00:42:02.840 People that have the housing, they put their life savings into it.

00:42:05.780 That's the retirement.

00:42:06.800 If you try to bring housing prices down, well, then now this person's mad.

00:42:09.540 I get it.

00:42:10.420 But if it doesn't change, we're screwed.

00:42:13.000 There's no getting around this.

00:42:14.320 This is an angry nihilistic generation that wants change badly.

00:42:17.540 No, and what was the, quote unquote, California housing crisis going back decades and decades

00:42:21.700 to supply demand imbalance, nimbyism, issues around localism.

00:42:25.720 Now it's one, now it's across the board, all across the United States.

00:42:29.540 People are feeling those pressures.

00:42:30.860 And that's why I think, as you brought up Ezra Klein a moment ago, we had him on the

00:42:34.740 podcast too, the whole abundance agenda and focusing on away from process paralysis and

00:42:41.300 lawfare and all of the nimbyism to a yimby yes in my backyard, not no in my backyard mindset

00:42:47.160 in order to break through that and to start to address that supply demand imbalance to lower

00:42:53.660 costs, to ultimately provide more points of opportunity.

00:42:57.780 So I think you're 100% right.

00:42:59.840 And I think it's only reinforced the broader analysis by the fact there's a lot of Trump

00:43:04.460 supporters that otherwise would be Bernie supporters as well or vice versa.

00:43:09.660 So there's this sort of notion of populism and not in the pejorative sense, but truly representative

00:43:14.740 sense, recognizing what's missing and giving voice to that.

00:43:19.500 Now, the question is the prescriptions that Trump's offering, as you suggest, I couldn't

00:43:23.960 agree with you more, are sort of proven to do precisely the opposite.

00:43:28.060 I mean, the largest tax increase on middle class and working folks, i.e. tariffs, inflation

00:43:33.380 that's now starting to go back up in Fed policy that is actually not accelerating in terms of

00:43:39.320 decline in interest rates.

00:43:40.580 But because of those uncertainties, particularly as it relates to pressure and inflation, now

00:43:46.540 is not necessarily moving as quickly to lower borrowing costs as we had otherwise hoped.

00:43:51.460 So I totally agree with that.

00:43:53.740 So let's talk just about that.

00:43:55.100 I mean, Scott Galloway is-

00:43:56.840 I took his class.

00:43:57.840 When I was at NVIDIA, I was in Scott's class, and he's one of the people.

00:44:00.900 The way he spoke, not even the content of what he said, the way he presented, I was like,

00:44:05.400 that is something I can learn from, and I took to that to when I was starting to stream,

00:44:10.740 yeah.

00:44:11.080 And Scott, for those that don't know, we also have out in the pod as well.

00:44:15.320 He's, I mean, he really speaks to the Gen Z generation.

00:44:18.900 He speaks in generational terms as theft.

00:44:22.020 You look at this big, beautiful bill and all this massive tax cuts that are burdening

00:44:27.880 the generation that is increasingly already feeling like no one gives a damn about them.

00:44:32.660 Yeah.

00:44:32.820 So it just reinforces, I think, the called arms that you're suggesting here in terms

00:44:37.560 of consciousness, that is, as it relates to the moment.

00:44:40.340 Yeah.

00:44:40.620 And again, you know, I think these trends were in a bad direction before Trump, but he

00:44:45.860 has done absolutely nothing to help.

00:44:48.880 I mean, the big, beautiful bill is a disaster.

00:44:51.420 It is a massive multi-trillion dollar credit card swipe that we younger people are going

00:44:55.920 to have to pay.

00:44:56.380 And I don't know, it, it, it, it's, it, I'm not suggesting, um, getting rid of social

00:45:04.140 security or anything, but it is, it is frustrating as a young working person that the biggest line

00:45:09.500 item on the government budget is checks to older people, many of whom have houses and

00:45:13.900 have a paycheck to afford, you know, it is just, I think we are not seeing enough go to

00:45:20.940 people that are trying to get started in this, in the country and, and, and get on the ladder.

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00:50:39.180 And do you see it from, I mean, so there's tax policy that's obviously profound and outsized.

00:50:48.720 Yeah.

00:50:49.180 You know, it's interesting.

00:50:50.280 We had Steve Bannon on as well.

00:50:52.000 And, you know, he was arguing for progressive tax policy.

00:50:55.220 I said at a certain point, I said, Steve, you sound like your governor of California,

00:50:59.260 arguing for California's progressive tax policy.

00:51:02.220 Yeah.

00:51:02.500 He argues for Lena Kahn as well.

00:51:04.200 It's a shocker to me.

00:51:04.860 I'm a huge Lena Kahn fan.

00:51:06.120 And I want to, I wanted to push that with you as well.

00:51:07.900 Listen, those years I'm talking about, those low inequality years in America,

00:51:14.360 again, probably golden years of America, maybe social policy we can improve,

00:51:17.620 but that's the golden years of economically.

00:51:19.460 The key things of that era, we had strong unions.

00:51:22.620 We had a progressive tax policy that had high tax rates on the richest people.

00:51:28.280 We had an antitrust enforcement that stopped constant consolidation.

00:51:33.820 Again, this Jimmy Kimmel thing, people aren't talking enough about how it's so clearly Nexstar

00:51:39.380 trying to merge with Tegna to get an inordinate amount of affiliates in this country.

00:51:44.420 And they are just saying whatever Trump wants to hear so that they can get this bill signed.

00:51:49.140 Amen.

00:51:49.360 It all comes back to economics is what I'm trying to really get across.

00:51:55.120 And it's a core part of my content is we can fight forever on social issues and we always will.

00:52:02.580 And in a social media area, I just realized how useless it is because algorithms will give you the opinion you want and the one you hate.

00:52:09.300 And they'll make that one look stupid.

00:52:10.500 And they'll give you the comments that support you.

00:52:12.260 And it's just no point in arguing.

00:52:13.980 I'm tired of it.

00:52:14.700 Most people are tired of it.

00:52:16.160 And so I just think we have to just, we got to really focus in on the economics because that's where we're going to make a difference.

00:52:23.580 People can feel that change.

00:52:25.100 They can feel, rents are going down in LA.

00:52:27.840 I've noticed it.

00:52:29.160 I saw Stetley.

00:52:31.400 People do feel it.

00:52:32.560 It takes a while.

00:52:33.600 They probably don't give everybody credit.

00:52:34.880 They're not giving it.

00:52:35.360 But it happens.

00:52:37.300 If you guys could get in California, the high-speed rail built.

00:52:40.660 I know it's, I know it's like an impossible legal challenge and everyone blocks it every step.

00:52:44.660 I'm not.

00:52:45.040 We're on the other side of the legal.

00:52:46.340 We're on the other side of the environmental.

00:52:47.500 We're actually starting to lay track.

00:52:48.980 We're actually decades and decades.

00:52:50.820 I can't make up for the past.

00:52:52.020 Okay.

00:52:52.300 But I can, I have to be accountable to the present.

00:52:54.780 And we're finally laying tracks.

00:52:56.420 We're finally moving forward on the damn project.

00:52:59.200 2,270 parcels had to be procured through eminent domain and other means.

00:53:05.200 Decade of just, just moving, you know, like in quicksand.

00:53:09.220 Injured.

00:53:09.940 Injured.

00:53:10.380 And then all the environment, all that now is behind us, finally moving to lay the damn

00:53:16.500 track.

00:53:16.660 And I want to say, when someone gets on that train and rides it and it makes their life

00:53:20.600 5, 10% more convenient, they notice.

00:53:23.780 They feel it.

00:53:24.580 That stuff does matter.

00:53:26.740 And I just, it's too often.

00:53:29.080 So let's say you talk about housing, rents, rents too damn high.

00:53:32.520 Sure.

00:53:32.840 Housing, transportation.

00:53:34.580 What else?

00:53:35.200 I mean, how about wages?

00:53:36.280 I mean, is that.

00:53:36.700 Sure.

00:53:37.120 So Gen Z men.

00:53:38.240 Yeah.

00:53:39.020 Unemployment for Gen Z men who are college graduates is the same as those that haven't graduated

00:53:43.660 college.

00:53:44.240 They're getting this degree and getting no material benefit in terms of the stats.

00:53:48.920 No, that's just, and that's just started.

00:53:50.680 We're just starting to see that take shape.

00:53:52.600 There was always that college premium.

00:53:54.640 Yeah.

00:53:54.760 And now for the first time with these remarkable, it's, this was not quote unquote, as people

00:53:59.680 said, oh, you've got this sort of useless philosophy degree and you can't get a real

00:54:03.980 job with it.

00:54:04.760 No, these are folks with actual degrees in computer science and they can't.

00:54:08.640 They can't get a job.

00:54:10.060 And, and by the way, philosophy is not useless.

00:54:12.440 In fact, in many ways, philosophy is the preferred course.

00:54:15.780 Nowadays.

00:54:16.340 Nowadays.

00:54:17.060 Which is.

00:54:17.220 Maybe I'll stream it.

00:54:18.100 Um, no, so, so yeah, they are, they are, um, sorry.

00:54:24.400 Uh, no.

00:54:24.960 So, I mean, you're reentering a job market.

00:54:26.420 It's more difficult than ever.

00:54:27.380 People.

00:54:27.860 Oh, now people don't even want to go to college.

00:54:29.860 Right.

00:54:30.120 I mean, you get this Peter Thiel frame.

00:54:31.920 So look, not only did they not getting the premium from going to college, college has

00:54:36.540 never been more expensive for these young men, especially for these Gen Z people who had

00:54:41.440 to go to college during COVID.

00:54:42.720 I can't tell you what a sucker punch it has to be to pay way more than your parents ever

00:54:48.780 paid to go to zoom college where.

00:54:51.560 Yeah.

00:54:52.140 And, and this is not, you know, we talk about discord and Reddit and gaming changing the

00:54:56.700 world.

00:54:56.880 I got to talk to you as well as well about, uh, AI and, and chat GPT.

00:55:02.100 Listen, governor, I, I don't know if someone else that your staff is telling you this every

00:55:06.180 high school in California, and there's great ones.

00:55:08.280 Every college in California, people are cheating with chat GPT.

00:55:12.100 Professors are writing rubrics, chat GPT, and then grading with chat GPT.

00:55:15.800 People are paying absurd amounts of money to get, to do not to, it's all a farce.

00:55:21.040 And I'm not saying it's everybody.

00:55:21.960 People are very smart and learning, but this is happening.

00:55:24.400 And, uh, we have, again, this is a bigger problem with Trump, but our secretary of education

00:55:29.300 is like from the WWE.

00:55:31.120 It's, it's literally, it's ridiculous.

00:55:33.340 Yeah, literally.

00:55:34.160 I'm not joking.

00:55:34.920 I think you're making that up actually was the co-founder.

00:55:37.700 It's Linda McMahon.

00:55:38.380 She and her husband.

00:55:39.480 Yes.

00:55:39.800 And I see a speech with her and she's talking about how these kids need to learn about a

00:55:44.100 one.

00:55:44.540 She doesn't even know what a, she can't even pronounce it.

00:55:46.700 A one.

00:55:47.140 And this is changing literally education rapidly.

00:55:50.100 So again, I, I, I, I hate to put it all on you.

00:55:54.020 You're one person in it, but I'm just, this is my, my id screaming out to the void that

00:55:58.360 I'm hearing is like, things are changing rapidly.

00:56:01.000 And I don't feel like the DNC particularly is like throwing out the old playbook.

00:56:06.680 Yeah.

00:56:06.960 That's, that's it.

00:56:08.660 It just won't work.

00:56:10.100 And, and are you, and when you, when you, when folks that you're interacting with, are

00:56:14.920 they, I'm, is this a gender issue as well from the perspective?

00:56:19.280 That's an interesting question.

00:56:20.480 Uh, definitely.

00:56:22.100 It feels like young women are adapting more to the society we have now.

00:56:25.720 They are just finding a way to get to college, get on the corporate ladder.

00:56:29.580 And, you know, I think Scott Galloway talks about this.

00:56:32.620 There's an idea generally that, uh, men are fine dating socioeconomically equal or down

00:56:39.260 and women generally want to date equal or up.

00:56:41.720 So it reduces the amount of partners available for men who can't get on the economic ladder,

00:56:46.660 which makes them more disengaged and more, you know, it's a, it's a snowball effect.

00:56:51.600 Again, it's not women's fault, but this is, this is what's happening.

00:56:54.060 And, and it creates this, um, this simmering, uh, misogyny in online spaces.

00:57:00.160 And it creates this, but it comes back to economics is all I can say over and over again

00:57:03.840 is, is it comes back to economics.

00:57:05.140 And again, if I could spoil it down to one word, it's like radicalism is when no house,

00:57:10.980 if you can't get a house, if you don't see a path to get a house.

00:57:14.580 And I hear this all the time.

00:57:16.480 They're there.

00:57:17.120 Some of them are working, they're working decent jobs.

00:57:19.340 They're working hard.

00:57:19.920 It's not even feasible in a lot of these cities to ever get a house.

00:57:24.500 You can't save up enough without taking on an absurd amount of debt ever.

00:57:28.200 It's just not possible.

00:57:29.760 And, uh, and if you picked one thing to focus in on, that would be it because they, that's

00:57:36.440 the biggest thing to put you as part of society or outside of society.

00:57:39.920 If once you feel like you can get on that ladder, you're okay.

00:57:42.540 You can, you can calm down.

00:57:43.840 You can find a party, you can vote, but if you can't see that, it's what's the point?

00:57:48.580 What, why am I doing it?

00:57:49.460 Why am I working this job for a boss?

00:57:51.100 I hate for wages that are only okay.

00:57:53.300 I'm never going to get another step up.

00:57:55.940 So yeah.

00:57:56.760 Yeah.

00:57:57.140 Uh, I feel like I've said that enough.

00:57:58.940 I, I, no, no, I look, I, again, I appreciate it.

00:58:01.580 And, and, and again, bouncing back and forth because it's, I think it's important.

00:58:05.180 You, you talk about, you, you brought up the frame was the word misogyny.

00:58:08.780 Yeah.

00:58:09.340 And, and finding back to the sort of manosphere, it comes in many forms and manifestations.

00:58:14.300 So I think there's sort of a laziness, quote unquote, the manosphere, what it means or doesn't

00:58:17.920 mean, but there are misogynistic aspects of the manosphere.

00:58:22.180 And there are people that have been very successful in that space.

00:58:25.780 The sort of Andrew Tate's of the world in some respects.

00:58:29.760 I mean, the fair, unfair, Adrian Ross and, uh, you know, the Joel Peterson type.

00:58:33.940 Sure, yeah.

00:58:34.280 Um, I mean, what, what do you, what do you make of that in the context of the vernacular

00:58:37.800 of the world that, uh, you, you've been navigating and generationally, uh, what you're sort of

00:58:43.540 understanding of all that.

00:58:44.560 Yeah.

00:58:44.660 I'll tell you the worst part about content creation.

00:58:46.580 Uh, Gavin Newsom is that my, that's funny.

00:58:51.080 My, uh, my dad's a lifelong Republican.

00:58:53.680 He, uh, not, not a Trumper, thank God, but, but he, uh, so I don't think he's the world's

00:58:58.460 biggest Gavin Newsom fan, maybe, but I did a very small, uh, uh, interview with you a while ago,

00:59:03.540 like a live stream and, uh, I called you Gavin.

00:59:06.160 Yeah.

00:59:06.420 He called me afterward.

00:59:07.260 He said, you call him governor.

00:59:09.060 Okay.

00:59:09.540 I appreciate him, but I also appreciate you.

00:59:12.280 Gavin works.

00:59:12.760 He's a military guy.

00:59:13.600 I'm called new scum, buddy.

00:59:14.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:59:15.700 I think you can take it.

00:59:16.220 I could handle Gavin better than new scum, which, uh, the six year olds used to call me.

00:59:21.440 Hell of a thing when an 86 year old's calling me that.

00:59:24.100 89, Mr. Trump, you're 89.

00:59:26.860 Uh, the misogyny.

00:59:28.120 Okay.

00:59:28.420 Here's the thing about consecration is you have a direct financial incentive at all times

00:59:34.540 to feed into people's resentment and to feed into their anger and to feed into it is just

00:59:40.660 the way the algorithms work.

00:59:42.420 I thought about this deeply in the wake of Charlie Kirk.

00:59:44.600 I was thinking about what I wanted to say.

00:59:45.880 And I was looking around the internet and I realized it doesn't matter what I say.

00:59:48.720 It'll just be fed to the person that agrees with me.

00:59:51.040 It doesn't.

00:59:52.120 If I say something that pisses somebody off, they'll never see it again.

00:59:55.040 It'll, it'll go into the void.

00:59:56.560 We are going through an algorithm that just decides what you want to see.

01:00:00.320 So in that case, there is a strong financial incentive to tell people who can't find a

01:00:05.860 house or a partner that it's immigrants fault or it's women's fault, or it's, uh, you know,

01:00:10.960 whoever it's, or it's the woke mind virus or what they'll tell you it's someone's fault.

01:00:14.980 And that's very comforting.

01:00:16.520 Yeah.

01:00:16.760 It's very, very comforting.

01:00:17.880 If you're in that spot to have an enemy, to have someone you can rally around and get

01:00:22.180 angry at, and, uh, again, on the space I'm in and Twitch, the most right wing aspects

01:00:27.940 of Twitch are mostly talking about how, man, these woke people are ruining gaming, you know,

01:00:32.640 cause it's people want to play games.

01:00:34.000 They'll be like, Oh, there's, there's these female characters lead it in leading the game.

01:00:38.880 And it's like, again, this is a tiny problem, but it unites these people.

01:00:42.760 It's something to rally around.

01:00:43.880 And so, um, yeah, yeah.

01:00:47.900 It's a, it's a symptom is what I'll say though, is that misogyny, I mean, it's probably amplified

01:00:51.700 by this, but it's because they are resentful and someone is going to fill that void and

01:00:55.480 tell them it's this person's problem.

01:00:57.040 So is that, I mean, is that why tell me, I mean, a lot of these spaces, I mean, then there's

01:01:02.540 sort of that echo chamber, then you get that confirmation bias, the algorithms reinforcing

01:01:07.000 that your worldview is colored in, it's amplified, it becomes bigger, uh, and you become more

01:01:12.860 convinced or ideological in that space at the same time.

01:01:16.260 And in some places that leads you, uh, to, uh, you know, comfortable place, other places

01:01:21.660 can leave you a radicalized place, uh, which could manifest offline and pretty, you know,

01:01:27.800 pretty significant ways.

01:01:29.040 Right.

01:01:29.600 Yeah.

01:01:29.860 What I'll say is people have gotten radicalized in human history without these platforms.

01:01:35.300 Yeah.

01:01:35.880 And it's because it's, you know, it's usually when inequality has reached a breaking point.

01:01:40.600 You go to the twenties and thirties or whatever in, in, uh, Germany.

01:01:44.320 I don't think they were, I don't think Germans were a different people.

01:01:48.160 They were just, they had hyperinflation.

01:01:50.000 They had bad economic problems and it led to radicalization.

01:01:52.200 This happens in human history all over people.

01:01:54.620 People feel like they can't get on the ladder.

01:01:56.500 They start going to edges.

01:01:58.060 I do think that the internet has made it faster.

01:02:00.960 It's made it quicker.

01:02:01.720 It's made it more virulent.

01:02:02.540 It lets people, uh, get larger groups quick.

01:02:05.400 I, I, I, there's a danger to that, but it's not the, it's not the core of the problem.

01:02:10.340 It's not banning.

01:02:11.720 It will not change things.

01:02:12.860 What I'm trying to say.

01:02:13.520 Yeah.

01:02:13.880 No.

01:02:14.300 And the example of Nepal is a cautionary tale in that respect.

01:02:19.140 That's a hell of a cautionary tale.

01:02:20.620 People don't, they're not familiar with it.

01:02:22.400 I mean, just look that up and to see what happened and have just an almost just, they lit a match.

01:02:27.800 No, they did.

01:02:28.260 And how almost overnight, uh, that radically has changed the course of the direction.

01:02:32.320 It's actually incredible because, uh, you know, I'm in Nepalese, their Gen Z movement

01:02:37.760 is all in a giant 800,000 person discord server.

01:02:41.840 And they're voting to decide the next prime minister, which they interim prime minister,

01:02:45.240 they're gonna have an actual vote, but it's, it is a wild, uh, count, small example of how

01:02:50.900 the internet is going to fuse with these actual resentments to create change, whether people

01:02:56.300 like it or not, unless they're addressed.

01:02:58.160 What do you just, in terms of addressing more broadly what's going on in the internet, what's

01:03:03.820 your sort of broader sense of social media's responsibility in that space to police itself,

01:03:09.400 to police, to police, um, well, speech, uh, to deal with the extremes, to, uh, to have

01:03:19.500 at least some cues that express some concern.

01:03:22.760 Yeah.

01:03:22.940 Uh, if things, I mean, or is it just complete, it's a very tough question.

01:03:27.900 I don't know if I have the answer to it because the answer everyone will give you is obviously

01:03:33.320 there's some speech that is too far, but nobody knows, you know, people have such different

01:03:38.140 views.

01:03:39.020 And so, uh, one person's, this is a totally normal, fair thing to say is the other person

01:03:43.880 that's horrible.

01:03:44.700 This information needs to be banned.

01:03:45.860 And we've seen the shoe on both feet.

01:03:47.580 Now we've seen people that are really mad about, uh, the way Twitter handled itself during

01:03:53.720 COVID are now hyper-defending the president's right to take down a late night host for making

01:03:59.400 a mild jab in his direct, I mean, it's, people are very hypocritical on this front because

01:04:03.580 free speech sounds great when it's the speech you like.

01:04:06.380 So I don't, I don't, I don't have the, I'm not the guy to give you the right answer on

01:04:09.660 that.

01:04:09.860 I would just say, um, you know, human history has shown time and time again, the censorship

01:04:15.800 is, is, is a tool for people that cannot win in the public sphere.

01:04:21.140 They can't find a way to, to get their point across.

01:04:23.160 Yeah.

01:04:23.300 So is violence.

01:04:24.180 Yeah.

01:04:24.400 And violence.

01:04:24.840 Yeah.

01:04:25.000 A hundred percent.

01:04:25.800 Yeah.

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01:09:42.860 What about, let's go back to just AI generally.

01:09:46.580 I mean, how is that?

01:09:47.620 And I'm just curious in terms of just what's happening in the gaming space as well, more broadly.

01:09:52.760 Yeah.

01:09:53.080 Even in the e-sports space.

01:09:54.940 What's happening as well, gambling.

01:09:56.520 How, I mean, and how it just seems to me that's sort of an iterative part of all of this as well.

01:10:02.480 We talk about, you know, Kik and others.

01:10:04.620 It sort of seems like they're moving more and more in that direction.

01:10:08.700 Crypto, gaming, I mean, or gambling.

01:10:12.340 I mean, just maybe illuminate a little bit.

01:10:14.520 Yeah, I would love to talk to you about, you know, people are talking about how video games are the problems with young men.

01:10:20.480 I'll tell you, the biggest two things that are destroying young men's ability to get financially on their feet is crypto and gambling, sports gambling particularly.

01:10:29.300 These two things are a viral cancer that are just ripping these people's ability to get a financial leg up apart.

01:10:37.740 Young men are attacked with ads nonstop on offering.

01:10:43.200 Because, again, if you are financially stuck, if you don't see a path to, with your normal wages, getting a house, then you have to take that 100x bet.

01:10:51.480 You have to take that odd.

01:10:52.220 You have to take that crazy bet.

01:10:53.220 And whether that's punting all your money on a weird meme coin and praying, or it's putting it on a seven-leg parlay on DraftKings, that is why they're doing this.

01:11:03.240 And that is just stealing their money every day, and it's making them more frustrated and depressed.

01:11:10.300 Again, I find those two things.

01:11:11.700 I speak about them all the time.

01:11:13.000 Those two things and buy now, pay later.

01:11:14.960 These buy now, pay later companies are just offering people the ability to buy things they cannot afford and putting them on stuck in debt cycles early, on small purchases.

01:11:25.860 People are buy now, pay later in groceries.

01:11:27.860 And all these three things, yeah, crypto, gambling, I'm glad you bought this out.

01:11:32.140 These things are what I'm seeing among Gen Z the most are just attacking them financially.

01:11:37.260 And at the time when they really don't need it, more than any, boomers can take this.

01:11:42.640 Gen Z cannot take loss of this month's paycheck on a crypto.

01:11:47.960 They just can't do it.

01:11:49.060 And so, yeah, I am strongly, I mean, it's so crazy because we barely regulated crypto under Biden.

01:11:55.840 We were making some progress.

01:11:57.060 And now it's out the window, Gavin.

01:11:59.980 I mean, the president made $5 billion off a meme coin.

01:12:03.380 It's ridiculous.

01:12:04.500 I find it so deeply frustrating when I see these crypto grifters or David Sachs as a crypto czar with all these business interests.

01:12:11.980 It's so frustrating to see them just milk regular people dry on crypto.

01:12:19.740 And then every sports thing you watch is 500 gambling ads.

01:12:24.940 I don't know.

01:12:25.940 Yeah, sorry.

01:12:26.600 I went on a rant there.

01:12:27.600 Those two things actually I'm very passionate about because I don't see the upside.

01:12:31.200 I really don't.

01:12:31.660 I don't see who's benefiting outside of, you know, putting a casino in everybody's pocket is just a stupid idea.

01:12:37.100 No, look, I mean, I'm dealing with my son right now, that 13-year-old is like, Dad, why are you working?

01:12:44.820 You know, you're such a loser.

01:12:46.400 You only make 170 grand a year as governor.

01:12:50.520 It's so pathetic.

01:12:51.360 You know, I'm making, I made, you know, 50 bucks.

01:12:53.400 Look at this, 15 minutes, you know, and look at what now I'm down to three bucks.

01:12:57.000 Wait, no, I make 75.

01:12:58.420 Like, he literally is like an addict waking up late at night, giving me the phone, giving me the phone, just one second to see if he's up.

01:13:04.600 Check stocks.

01:13:05.120 Three dollars.

01:13:05.840 On Robinhood.

01:13:06.620 A hundred percent.

01:13:07.760 Damn.

01:13:08.180 That is what's happening.

01:13:09.640 And that idea of like, why the hell would I work?

01:13:12.460 Why would I add up my money over 30 years?

01:13:14.700 No, he thinks I'm the biggest idiot in the world.

01:13:17.060 Yeah.

01:13:17.360 Yeah.

01:13:18.060 That's what I've seen all the time.

01:13:19.580 You know, I talk finances to my audience a lot.

01:13:21.340 It's a big part of my content is business and finances.

01:13:22.940 And, man, they just, they're being fed this idea that like, saving money is stupid.

01:13:30.180 It's stupid.

01:13:30.780 It'll never work.

01:13:31.580 Inflation's going to eat that away.

01:13:32.620 You have to take these high risk bets.

01:13:34.500 Yeah.

01:13:34.840 But they don't frame them as high risk.

01:13:35.920 They frame them as guarantees.

01:13:37.020 They frame them as shirt.

01:13:38.000 I made the mistake of buying, getting YouTube videos of Warren Buffett, bored.

01:13:43.740 He was bored.

01:13:44.720 Getting him then coloring books that are versions of Warren Buffett's lessons.

01:13:48.900 He's like, who's Warren Buffett?

01:13:50.140 Who's this old guy?

01:13:50.780 Yeah.

01:13:50.960 Who is this guy?

01:13:51.640 What the hell?

01:13:52.940 No.

01:13:53.660 There's this dude that's online, man, that just told me, like literally, I don't even

01:13:57.700 remember who his financial advisor is, but he's some guy, like literally some YouTube

01:14:01.560 guy that is, luckily, we only have a thousand bucks that he's been able to say, so we'll

01:14:09.000 survive his lesson.

01:14:10.580 But hopefully, I'll have an early lesson.

01:14:12.260 Look, I appreciate the lesson, though, you're trying to preach here, at least express, is

01:14:17.660 a deeper understanding of these more systemic issues and that we can get caught up in finding

01:14:22.420 scapegoats.

01:14:23.160 We can get caught up in finding conspiracy theories or just the easy out.

01:14:27.100 And as you suggest, I mean, if the oversight, if the lessons on what is alleged to have

01:14:33.140 occurred with this tragedy with Charlie Kirk is to then haul up people on Discord and the

01:14:40.760 CEOs of Twitch and all of these things, we're missing a deeper, deeper point.

01:14:45.240 I think it's a massive wrong direction that is just going to lead to more of what we're

01:14:51.480 already seeing, more spiraling, more anger, more feel like the politicians don't hear

01:14:54.660 the voice, don't understand.

01:14:57.700 You know, if they want to haul up these CEOs and ask them about how the platforms work,

01:15:02.260 get a better understanding, that's sure.

01:15:03.840 But if they're there to like point the finger that Discord caused this or Twitch caused this,

01:15:08.960 it's, I just, I promise you it's absurd.

01:15:11.800 I promise you it will change nothing.

01:15:15.540 They'll go, they'll go, they'll go deeper into the internet.

01:15:17.700 They'll just burrow deeper somewhere else.

01:15:19.500 These are relatively safe, moderated platforms.

01:15:22.280 These are not the problem.

01:15:23.480 This is, it's just people using the internet to try and find connection where they can't

01:15:27.880 find it in real life because there's, there's not opportunities.

01:15:32.700 Lemonade stand.

01:15:33.960 What's the, what's the goal with the podcast?

01:15:36.220 Is it, is it to illuminate an entrepreneurial mindset?

01:15:38.920 The notion of a lemonade stand.

01:15:40.720 Many of our first business experiences was selling lemonade, differentiating our brand,

01:15:46.680 decommoditizing a commodity, uh, selling it for an extra five cents, 25 cents, or, you

01:15:52.020 know, fresh lemonade versus the sugar version.

01:15:54.640 Uh, what's, uh, what's the idea behind it?

01:15:56.980 Lemonade stand is our podcast.

01:15:58.200 It's, uh, myself, my friend Aiden and my friend Doug, all of them are content creators.

01:16:02.200 Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, you know, you're doing your homework, buddy.

01:16:04.780 Uh, and the idea was we are three guys who are only qualified to run a lemonade stand.

01:16:09.700 We're not, we're not bringing deep expertise here.

01:16:12.120 We have business backgrounds.

01:16:13.200 We have, um, you know, backgrounds of our own.

01:16:15.680 We've started these media, these small media companies, but really we're, we are just going

01:16:19.600 to do our best to understand and read about what's going on and present it in a way with

01:16:24.080 the lingo and the slang and the, of what this audience wants to hear it in.

01:16:28.500 That's the idea.

01:16:29.260 We're not going to be right about everything, but we're not going to be, uh, trying to sway

01:16:34.860 you.

01:16:35.140 We're not going to be trying.

01:16:35.920 We have no ulterior motive.

01:16:37.300 We're just interested in, in talking about it with each other.

01:16:40.940 I love it.

01:16:41.260 Well, it was fun to talk about everything we just talked about with each other.

01:16:44.680 I appreciate you bringing your authentic voice and perspective on this.

01:16:48.220 And I also appreciate your stubbornness on, uh, pay attention to the thing that is the

01:16:52.460 thing that explains all of the other things.

01:16:55.400 And that are these sort of tectonic plates of wealth and income inequality, uh, that are

01:17:01.440 growing and growing in a divide, uh, that is not just a political divide, uh, that is

01:17:06.400 a societal divide.

01:17:07.360 And unless we address, uh, forget which party you're associated with, uh, but the whole fabric

01:17:13.340 of our society is going to fray apart.

01:17:15.540 Hey, Drunk, thanks for being with us.

01:17:17.500 Thank you.

01:17:17.760 Thank you.

01:17:22.460 I'm Jorge Ramos.

01:17:25.660 And I'm Paola Ramos.

01:17:27.180 Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through

01:17:31.420 a time as uncertain as this one.

01:17:33.800 We sit down with politicians, artists, and activists to bring you depth and analysis from

01:17:39.120 a unique Latino perspective.

01:17:40.960 The Moment is a space for the conversations we've been having as father and daughter for

01:17:44.980 years.

01:17:45.420 Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

01:17:52.380 or wherever you get your podcasts.

01:17:54.480 Hi there.

01:17:55.220 This is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast.

01:17:57.900 If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes,

01:18:02.360 then have we got good news for you.

01:18:04.020 Stuff You Should Know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episodes of all

01:18:08.520 time.

01:18:08.820 There's a shootout in broad daylight, people using axes in really terrible ways, disappearances,

01:18:14.380 legendary heists, the whole nine yards.

01:18:16.840 So check out the Stuff You Should Know true crime playlist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple

01:18:21.160 Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

01:18:23.520 The murder of an 18-year-old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years, until

01:18:34.260 a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

01:18:40.800 America, y'all better wake the hell up.

01:18:42.880 Bad things happen to good people in small towns.

01:18:48.160 Listen to Graves County on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

01:18:57.920 podcasts.

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01:19:06.280 Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the On Purpose podcast.

01:19:10.900 Today, I'm joined by Emma Watson.

01:19:14.000 Emma Watson has apparently quit acting.

01:19:16.100 Emma Watson has announced she's retiring from acting.

01:19:18.560 Has anyone else noticed that we haven't seen Emma Watson in anything in several years?

01:19:22.740 Emma Watson is opening up the truth behind her five-year break from acting.

01:19:27.140 Watson said she wasn't very happy.

01:19:29.600 Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

01:19:35.020 you get your podcasts.

01:19:37.100 In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions

01:19:42.620 of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

01:19:46.100 Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you know it.

01:19:51.840 Five, six white people pushed me in the car.

01:19:54.320 I'm going, what the hell?

01:19:55.740 Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.

01:19:59.420 All you got to do is receive the package.

01:20:01.040 Don't have to open it.

01:20:02.040 Just accept it.

01:20:03.120 She was very upset, crying.

01:20:04.960 Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand, and I saw the flash of light.

01:20:08.040 Listen to the Chinatown Sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your

01:20:14.380 podcasts.

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