This is Gavin Newsom - And, This Is Gaming Culture, & Gen-Z Nihilism With Content Creator Brandon ＂Atrioc＂ Ewing

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00:03:14.520 All right, Brandon Ewan.

00:03:15.420 Hey.

00:03:15.720 Welcome, brother.

00:03:16.480 I have a pleasure.

00:03:17.100 It's good to be with you, a.k.a. Atriok.

00:03:20.280 You got it right.

00:03:21.020 Your online name, which we'll get to in a minute.

00:03:23.840 And for folks that don't know you, millions of people do because they watch you religiously.

00:03:27.560 You're a rock star on YouTube, content creator, a Twitch live streamer, speed runner.

00:03:34.300 We'll talk about what the heck that means.

00:03:36.080 People are wondering, what am I talking about?

00:03:38.180 But also really focused on building community around marketing, around business.

00:03:42.720 And that's what your background represented, working at Twitch, working at NVIDIA.

00:03:47.020 Yep.

00:03:47.200 We can talk about AI chips, but I really wanted you on because with so much focus on what happened

00:03:55.100 a few weeks ago with Charlie Kirk and Tyler Robinson, the person who's been accused, some

00:04:00.900 of the gaming questions and issues that came up, some of the memes that were allegedly part

00:04:05.860 of some components of the investigation.

00:04:09.640 The broader conversations we're having in this country around the manosphere and what's

00:04:13.940 happening with gaming culture generally, issues of boys and men, everything about this.

00:04:20.120 And it kept coming back to you.

00:04:21.820 So I'm grateful.

00:04:22.740 I hope it didn't all come back to me.

00:04:24.040 I all came back to you as a guy that can explain to unpack all of this stuff.

00:04:29.900 We know, we talked about this before this.

00:04:32.640 And I wanted to, first of all, I want to say, you mentioned millions of people might know

00:04:36.960 my stuff, maybe a little less than that.

00:04:39.100 But the people that know me, I think they'll like me.

00:04:41.000 People that don't know me, when they hear a content creator or a YouTuber or a Twitch

00:04:44.580 streamer, I think they have an instant dislike and I don't really blame them.

00:04:49.880 Like, I don't think that's, I think most people have an instant distrust of someone who has

00:04:54.240 that as their job and I get it.

00:04:56.560 So I want to try and get across why people are turning to this, why this is becoming a

00:05:01.920 new form of media.

00:05:02.880 And also understand that like, if you don't, if this is not for you, I get it.

00:05:06.780 It's not, yeah.

00:05:07.520 No, but I mean, it should be, but people, I mean, it explains more things in more ways

00:05:10.900 on more days, particularly to parents.

00:05:12.400 I mean, I've got, I've got four young kids and it's pretty overwhelming, the gaming culture

00:05:16.640 that's out there.

00:05:17.240 It's all, I mean, what is it?

00:05:18.080 I mean, 70 plus percent of, of teenagers are active gamers.

00:05:22.460 Is that?

00:05:22.860 Among men, I assume it's higher.

00:05:24.100 I think it's a lot higher.

00:05:24.640 Even higher, right?

00:05:25.260 Yeah.

00:05:25.700 So I wanted to start with that, you know, and I don't think this is your stance, but it's

00:05:29.060 like really important for me to get across early.

00:05:30.560 It feels like in the wake of what happened with Charlie Kirk, there is a reignition of

00:05:36.500 old, old, old debates around how video games, violent video games are the problem.

00:05:41.020 And I just want to be so clear from my POV and from the POV of my audience, who's again,

00:05:46.080 younger Gen Z men, that's an insane, insane way to look at this.

00:05:49.940 You know, South Korea, Japan, UK, Germany, France, they all have the same rate of video

00:05:55.260 game playing and they have none of the violent crime, but small fraction of the violent crime.

00:05:58.500 That's exactly right.

00:05:59.080 There is no real correlation with it.

00:06:01.300 Yep.

00:06:01.800 So what I'll say is it's an easy scapegoat.

00:06:04.560 It is a really easy scapegoat.

00:06:05.860 Yeah.

00:06:05.960 And we, we can go into this for a while, but.

00:06:07.860 No, and by the way, full stipulate, could not agree with you more as someone that's

00:06:11.760 deeply focused on the issue of, of gun violence, mass shootings and all these things.

00:06:16.960 And sort of the lazy punditry that comes back to this gaming culture has been completely

00:06:21.580 debunked 100%.

00:06:22.900 Yeah.

00:06:23.140 So could not agree with that more.

00:06:25.000 Just stipulating an alignment of thinking on that.

00:06:27.560 No, sure.

00:06:28.000 And then, uh, you know, they're now they're saying, I think they're about to haul the

00:06:31.620 head of Reddit and discord and Twitch and all these people in front of Congress.

00:06:35.720 Listen, these, the addiction to these things, and there's something that is addiction.

00:06:41.280 I will say some, some young men are, are spending a large percentage of their time on these platforms.

00:06:46.020 This is a symptom.

00:06:47.220 This is a symptom of them having almost nowhere else to go.

00:06:49.960 Yeah.

00:06:50.420 And especially when I talk about gaming, uh, the idea that gaming is driving isolation and

00:06:55.160 not isolation is leading to people trying to find an escape or connection through gaming.

00:06:59.940 It's the other way around.

00:07:01.060 I mean, that is what's happening.

00:07:02.180 So I don't know if you, you have children, you have young boys, four, four young kids.

00:07:06.300 Yeah.

00:07:06.620 Can I ask what age your, your boys are?

00:07:08.300 Oldest just turned 16.

00:07:09.520 And, uh, the, the two boys, nine and 13.

00:07:12.520 Are they gamers?

00:07:13.220 Are they Roblox?

00:07:14.240 Are they Fortnite?

00:07:15.060 Are they every single day?

00:07:18.480 I am battling, man, battling them on YouTube, watching someone else play Minecraft.

00:07:23.980 Yeah.

00:07:24.360 Watching someone else play a video game.

00:07:26.540 They're obsessed, buddy.

00:07:27.440 And so what I would say is, you know, I assume you do the normal thing, uh, parents are doing,

00:07:32.040 especially in SF, they limit screen time, things like that.

00:07:33.800 But to be honest, if you told them they can't play Roblox or they can't play Fortnite, you

00:07:38.360 would make them less socially.

00:07:39.900 Like they are less able to connect to their friends nowadays.

00:07:41.940 Yeah.

00:07:42.200 That is how they're doing.

00:07:43.340 That, that is, I know it's a generation disconnect, but that is not the problem.

00:07:48.320 The young, the young men that are turning to discord servers and gaming are trying to

00:07:52.920 find friends and connection.

00:07:53.940 They are logging on after work and hanging out in voice chats with their friend and having

00:07:57.500 a good time.

00:07:58.160 This is like the one thing that's keeping them sane in a world that is going, I think, increasingly

00:08:02.580 insane and not offering them economic opportunities.

00:08:04.720 I love that.

00:08:05.200 Let's unpack.

00:08:05.900 Cause I, you know, I think a lot of people, obviously YouTube people are familiar with,

00:08:09.480 there's a sort of generation though, that that's heard of Twitch.

00:08:12.660 Yeah.

00:08:13.020 They're sort of kick that's heard of discord, but they don't know what these things are

00:08:17.540 Reddit.

00:08:18.000 Maybe people are a little bit more familiar with, but talk to me.

00:08:20.820 And when I, when I started, I mean, you Twitch is sort of a go-to for a lot of folks

00:08:24.920 in the gaming space, but explain what these are, what these platforms represent, how they

00:08:29.660 started and what they've become.

00:08:31.280 Um, yeah, so I worked at Twitch right, right around the time it started, uh, and it was

00:08:34.900 a very lucky thing for me because I was a ASU Arizona state university, the Harvard of

00:08:39.380 the Southwest, they call it, uh, uh, graduate and, uh, you know, middling grades.

00:08:44.200 And I played a lot of games and it was very, very lucky that I found this route into Twitch,

00:08:48.260 which was a, a website, which allowed gamers to broadcast themselves online.

00:08:52.820 That was the idea.

00:08:53.520 I'm playing the game.

00:08:54.800 Maybe I'm particularly good at it.

00:08:56.100 Maybe I'm funny while I play it.

00:08:57.680 And people that also played the game found that to be entertaining and they would start

00:09:01.300 to build communities and audiences and it would grow.

00:09:02.800 And tell me what, what time were people starting to really, I mean, was it, was it a particular

00:09:07.360 individual, uh, that said, Hey, I'm going to put myself online.

00:09:10.440 Was there a moment that marked a consciousness of this whole, I mean, cause it's become a

00:09:14.640 gigantic business and we'll get to that in a moment.

00:09:17.300 Uh, but was Twitch really the first to really popularize as a platform?

00:09:20.960 Yeah.

00:09:21.240 Twitch was the one that, that, that found this niche early for, you know,

00:09:25.180 and what years are we talking about 2014 ish that's around when I, when I joined and it

00:09:29.720 grows and then around COVID it explodes because everyone's stuck at home and it becomes, it

00:09:35.120 just hits the right time in the right place.

00:09:36.400 So let's back up a little bit.

00:09:37.820 You, you discovered Twitch as someone, not just doing content, but someone that was marketing

00:09:43.960 the content.

00:09:44.860 Were you working for Twitch?

00:09:45.560 I never had any interest in doing content myself.

00:09:47.760 I was at Twitch and they needed someone to go on camera every now and then.

00:09:51.200 And I was the one stupid enough to volunteer and I got some training and I was using the

00:09:54.980 program and you got on camera and you started doing what you started explaining, uh, the

00:09:59.540 video talk about the, no, you know, here's the thing.

00:10:01.680 So what I'm saying might sound completely unwatchable to someone who doesn't play video games,

00:10:06.740 but over the past, since 2014 to now, the platform has changed dramatically.

00:10:11.460 The biggest thing on the website is not games at all.

00:10:13.620 It's just people talking to the camera about their lives, about the news, about what's going

00:10:17.700 on in the world.

00:10:18.300 People are just using it because it's a real direct connection.

00:10:20.740 Yeah.

00:10:21.220 Okay.

00:10:21.840 And so that has become the main, the gaming is still a big part of Twitch, but it's, it's,

00:10:26.000 it's into the culture.

00:10:27.200 You might play games a little bit during the day, then switch talking about the news,

00:10:29.520 switch talking about watching YouTube videos.

00:10:31.000 You can do anything.

00:10:32.260 So that, that's the path that we went on.

00:10:35.280 Yeah.

00:10:35.780 Uh, at the time, I'm sorry, what was your, sorry.

00:10:38.100 No, just at the time you were, what was the biggest content that was being provided at

00:10:42.520 that time?

00:10:42.920 Was it, was there a particular game that was mostly popularized or that was disproportionately being

00:10:47.960 popularized?

00:10:48.240 Yeah, what blew it up.

00:10:49.080 So I, again, first it was COVID and then I would say, you know, celebrities started to

00:10:54.300 go on every now and then.

00:10:55.520 And I think, uh, Drake played with Ninja, some Fortnite and that every, every, every, I was

00:11:00.360 there, I saw every little step would blow Twitch up a little bit more and then it started to

00:11:03.280 get bigger and bigger.

00:11:04.080 Right.

00:11:04.320 But what I would say is it's spread beyond Twitch.

00:11:06.680 Now it's got kick.

00:11:07.540 It's got YouTube.

00:11:08.320 It's, it's TikTok live.

00:11:09.920 Right.

00:11:10.240 What I'm saying is people right now are just engaging through content creators because they

00:11:13.560 have this more direct one-to-one connection.

00:11:16.240 I actually, what I'll say, what it is, is, um, and you probably deal with this as a challenge

00:11:21.100 when you're trying to speak.

00:11:22.100 Like people are very, very tired of inauthenticity.

00:11:26.380 Yeah.

00:11:26.660 That's what I, that's what I feel.

00:11:27.740 People feel like everyone's out to sell them something.

00:11:29.880 Everyone's out to get them.

00:11:30.700 And even content creators are doing this.

00:11:32.360 Yeah.

00:11:32.560 But they're trying to find somebody they can trust.

00:11:35.540 That is the main thing.

00:11:36.640 Right.

00:11:36.980 Is trust.

00:11:37.680 And so you're saying kids are going online and they, and they end up looking for that.

00:11:40.860 They see someone they can identify with through a medium that they're already identified with.

00:11:45.740 Yeah.

00:11:45.860 A game that they have in common or interests that they have in common.

00:11:50.320 And, and so Twitch figured this thing out.

00:11:52.660 Um, and, but, and you made an important point.

00:11:54.940 Twitch is not, it's not just a platform exclusively for gaming.

00:11:57.920 Not even close.

00:11:58.460 The biggest thing on the platform is not gaming.

00:12:00.020 Just, I think that's a shock to some people, but it,

00:12:02.460 it really is just people talking, people having fun.

00:12:04.300 And it's these sort of areas of interest where you get into these group chats and there's

00:12:09.400 sort of an interactivity.

00:12:10.560 People are engaged in a two-way conversation, not just one way.

00:12:14.040 Yeah.

00:12:14.180 Yeah.

00:12:14.220 It's live.

00:12:14.580 I mean, at a big enough chat, you're not really talking one-to-one, but the idea is people

00:12:18.760 feel like their voice is somewhat being heard.

00:12:20.780 And what's the difference between Twitch, Twitch and Discord?

00:12:23.740 So Discord is just a chat room.

00:12:25.440 And that's why it's kind of funny.

00:12:26.600 You know, uh, there's a lot of, um, among Gen Z, there's these memes going around about

00:12:31.780 it's people getting messages from their parents.

00:12:33.500 I heard you're using Discord.

00:12:34.420 Were you talking to this, Tyler?

00:12:35.800 Like, it's, it's just a chat.

00:12:37.200 It's nobody's, it's your own private little room with your friends.

00:12:40.580 Discord is the platform.

00:12:41.500 It's like saying, I heard you're using an iPhone.

00:12:43.740 Did the killer use an iPhone?

00:12:45.520 Did you, you know what I'm saying?

00:12:46.480 It's just a, you're not in the same, uh, group.

00:12:49.500 And you're referring to, cause there was, I mean, you, you, you hear about Discord often

00:12:54.280 in the context of some of these more high profile instances.

00:12:58.140 Yeah.

00:12:58.300 Obviously this Tyler Robinson is accused of, of, accused of shooting Charlie Kirk, uh, used

00:13:04.900 a Discord.

00:13:05.700 Yeah, but he used a Discord chat room with his friends.

00:13:08.640 Nobody else is, it's, you know, and it's any, any medium could have done this.

00:13:12.120 The, the idea that Discord is uniquely, uh, brewing people like this is, is, uh, unsubstantiated.

00:13:19.200 Got it.

00:13:19.720 So the gaming area, the gaming, most of the gaming platforms, YouTube's sort of dominant

00:13:24.060 in the space.

00:13:24.820 Yeah.

00:13:25.120 Along with Twitch, who else is sort of emerging in the gaming space as the platform, the sort

00:13:30.280 of to-go platform?

00:13:31.540 Yeah.

00:13:31.820 I would say YouTube and Twitch is the vast, vast majority of people doing this.

00:13:37.180 You could talk about Kick, you could talk about Rumble, you could talk about the more

00:13:40.060 fringe, wild ones, but, uh, Twitch and YouTube.

00:13:43.640 And YouTube is the 800 pound gorilla in the space.

00:13:45.960 It really is mostly YouTube.

00:13:47.040 That's where people are getting it.

00:13:47.580 That's where I'm putting out my content online.

00:13:49.080 That's where most people are getting it.

00:13:50.800 And so you started just as you, you just were there in Arizona.

00:13:54.960 You're just getting good on games.

00:13:56.540 You just, you know, you just found just sort of a proclivity for it.

00:13:59.440 You're loving it.

00:14:00.020 You remember the first game you were like deep into, like you're just obsessed with.

00:14:03.720 Okay.

00:14:03.960 Well, now here's what I want to say is like, this is me in Arizona.

00:14:07.600 I've graduated.

00:14:08.460 I'm trying to find a job.

00:14:10.060 I had okay grades and the, and the college is not some incredible degree.

00:14:14.060 Okay.

00:14:14.520 So I'm, I'm figuring it out.

00:14:16.480 And, and thanks to a lucky opportunity and thanks to the economy being in a better spot

00:14:20.680 at the time, I get this last chopper out of nom.

00:14:23.860 It feels like where I get a decent chance to, to go off and make enough money to now I can,

00:14:30.540 uh, you know, I'm married.

00:14:31.800 I have a, I have a house that I'm paying down.

00:14:33.900 It's expensive.

00:14:34.240 But so, uh, I have friends now who are younger than me that are like, I have a friend who's

00:14:39.600 graduating from Berkeley, uh, computer science, smart guy.

00:14:43.460 He's graduating in an environment that is a hundred times harder to get a job than it was

00:14:48.100 in 2014, 2015.

00:14:49.440 It's not his fault.

00:14:50.340 He didn't do anything different.

00:14:51.300 So that is going to make him more likely to be nihilistic.

00:14:55.960 It's more likely to make him disengage from the system, more likely to make him angry at

00:15:00.300 politicians left and right.

00:15:01.580 It's just, it's not, it's tough to say that like, I just find it for, and you're not doing

00:15:07.220 this, but I'm saying I'm finding it frustrating.

00:15:08.960 The endless pointing to discord, Reddit, Twitch, it's, this has nothing to do with it.

00:15:15.980 It is, it is the situation where people are, are more and more desperate, uh, for a direction

00:15:21.280 to go.

00:15:21.760 So yeah, I can tell you about a game I played.

00:15:23.460 I mean, I played, I played, I wasted my college on a game like league of legends.

00:15:26.960 I wasted, you know, but, but you didn't waste your, because I got lucky.

00:15:32.860 I don't think that's a, and what I do now has almost nothing to do with gaming.

00:15:37.320 I'll be honest with you, my, my audience hates when I game, but you're a world record

00:15:41.960 holder.

00:15:42.400 Just so people have an understanding who we're talking to here, you crushed it.

00:15:46.700 World record holder of what for Hitman, right?

00:15:49.020 Yeah.

00:15:49.260 There's a game called Hitman where you, uh, you know, you're, you're flying around and

00:15:52.780 I, listen, I, I, uh, that is a time of my life where I was here.

00:15:57.120 I started doing this when I was working at NVIDIA.

00:15:58.920 I was working some insane hours and I wanted to come home and disengage.

00:16:02.040 I wanted to just play video games and I wanted some friends in the chat to do it.

00:16:05.240 That did pretty well.

00:16:06.260 And it started to take off.

00:16:07.560 Then after COVID, I started talking about, you know, I'm an avid reader.

00:16:11.060 I'm reading the news every day and I want to talk, I just give my thoughts.

00:16:13.720 That started to take off.

00:16:14.900 And eventually that was enough that I could leave a job that was really stable and good

00:16:17.620 at NVIDIA to try and do this full time.

00:16:19.580 And you started to be able to monetize it at that level.

00:16:21.980 Sure.

00:16:22.180 Yeah.

00:16:22.440 Working for one of the great chip companies on planet earth.

00:16:25.340 Yeah.

00:16:25.640 And now one of the biggest market cap companies quite literally in the world.

00:16:29.220 Yeah.

00:16:29.400 Uh, and, and, and you started making the kind of money that you said, man, I'm just full

00:16:33.400 time now on this.

00:16:35.020 Yeah.

00:16:35.160 I was full, yeah.

00:16:35.800 Nothing pejorative about a content creator.

00:16:37.720 Quite the contrary.

00:16:38.660 It's just the opposite.

00:16:39.680 I don't know.

00:16:40.120 I mean, no, it's, you're an entrepreneur.

00:16:41.640 You're a small business person.

00:16:42.900 You put something out there, took a risk.

00:16:45.400 Uh, you're on a platform, you're taking a passion, uh, you're sharing it, uh, in a

00:16:49.720 very public way.

00:16:50.420 You're building an audience, marketing it.

00:16:52.120 I mean, that's pretty, I appreciate everything you're saying.

00:16:54.400 And it's nice of you to say, but there, as with all things, there's some aspect of hard

00:16:58.340 work and some aspect of luck.

00:16:59.240 And there's like, and the idea that this is the path that everyone could just, you

00:17:03.780 know, I, I, I can think of so many times things could have gone a different way and

00:17:07.520 I'll be in a different spot.

00:17:09.220 And you'll acknowledge, I mean, and I think it's just important to illuminate.

00:17:12.120 I mean, but a lot of people are finding this path, right?

00:17:14.760 I mean, this is becoming the opportunities.

00:17:16.900 You're kind of R lately, huh?

00:17:18.500 No, yeah, well, no, I mean, I'm not, we'll see what happens, but it's in terms of my future,

00:17:23.240 Jesus, but it's, no, but it's, but it's interesting to me.

00:17:25.700 I mean, it's, I think it's people just to understand and absorb a sort of this digital

00:17:30.240 first experience.

00:17:31.400 I mean, there's a whole generation, uh, that frankly, they, they're digital.

00:17:35.580 Obviously we talk about digital immigrants versus digital natives, uh, in sort of a lazy

00:17:39.480 vernacular, but this whole digital first experience is, is radically changing everything,

00:17:44.340 including sports.

00:17:45.520 And we're going to get to that in a moment, but, but the gaming culture is real.

00:17:49.900 It's growing.

00:17:50.880 You've got stadiums now quite literally filled physical stadiums with people watching these

00:17:56.960 e-sports, uh, and other people playing games, uh, to a degree that I don't think most people

00:18:03.440 fully absorb or understand.

00:18:04.980 Yeah.

00:18:05.280 That's how I started.

00:18:06.040 I went to a study abroad in South Korea and they had these big tournaments and I was blown

00:18:10.680 away and I was like, let's get this in America.

00:18:12.520 Let's start.

00:18:13.420 It happened without me, but I came back and started to work in that space and that blew

00:18:17.340 up.

00:18:17.540 But again, I can't tell you enough, uh, this, like the e-sports is, is really a small part

00:18:23.920 of what is becoming this online, um, influencer first culture.

00:18:28.800 If you were to spend some time browsing Twitch, you would not see as much gaming as you're thinking

00:18:33.140 on the high.

00:18:33.580 But it really is people just looking for human connection, humans to talk to.

00:18:38.440 And I'm not saying this is all a good thing.

00:18:40.340 I'm not saying everyone should be spending all their time on these platforms.

00:18:43.240 I am just saying that it's, it's a very natural response to, to things getting more expensive,

00:18:48.520 to looking for, to finding people who have shared some similar values or ideas as you

00:18:52.200 across the world.

00:18:53.500 So no, I love that.

00:18:54.640 I want to get to all that.

00:18:55.440 Cause I mean, there's those deep issues, generational issues that, uh, we've, we've been talking

00:19:00.760 about on the podcast with a number of people in the past and, and it's off the chart, particularly

00:19:04.660 for men.

00:19:05.200 And, and so I just want to unpack it a little bit more, just again, for people that are

00:19:08.640 not fully, uh, that just don't have the level of understanding the space, but you talk about

00:19:14.160 e-sports and I just think it's an interesting space in this context.

00:19:18.240 You say it's a relatively small space, but it's not a small amount of investment that it

00:19:22.420 seems people are making.

00:19:23.240 I was just reading about Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, Beckham, uh, folks putting tens of millions

00:19:29.000 of dollars, uh, into e-sports teams.

00:19:32.600 I mean, this, this thing's growing.

00:19:34.560 Yeah.

00:19:34.740 But what I'll tell you is being dead honest, Gavin, a lot of them are going to lose their

00:19:38.080 shirt on this.

00:19:38.740 It's not, you know, I've been around the e-sports space a while and a lot of people have gotten

00:19:43.360 burned.

00:19:43.960 The problem is it's really hard to monetize the user.

00:19:46.400 They, they, they love watching it.

00:19:48.020 They love watching it for free.

00:19:49.400 They don't, you know, there's not a, there's not a lot of in-person stadium buying merch

00:19:52.620 going, right.

00:19:53.640 The business economics of e-sports are interesting, but it is growing in terms of viewership and it'll

00:19:57.820 get there, but they got way ahead of their skis.

00:20:00.520 I think a lot of people are, are coming down off the highs.

00:20:03.100 You know, it was like, it was one of those things, almost every business, there's some

00:20:05.300 story about 2021.

00:20:06.500 It was crazy.

00:20:07.420 Yeah.

00:20:07.700 And then it's, that's, that's happening with these.

00:20:09.520 It was kind of, it was at a peak 2021.

00:20:11.600 2021.

00:20:12.240 It was like, you could, the salaries were insane.

00:20:14.500 They were getting paid absurd amounts for these players to sit in the room and play games.

00:20:17.880 It's less now, you know, it's, it's, and I, you know, Rick Fox of the Lakers put a bunch

00:20:22.520 of money into a team lost, you know, had to get out.

00:20:24.620 I'm saying it'll happen, but I'm not going to be one of those guys.

00:20:28.520 It's like e-sports is right here.

00:20:30.080 Get your money.

00:20:30.640 You know, it's, it's a grassroots thing.

00:20:32.360 It's growing.

00:20:33.060 And so you're, what's interesting about you is not only your history and, and, and, and,

00:20:38.020 and how you've evolved in terms of your own career path and, and going into these aspects

00:20:43.340 and disciplines, but the marketing background and the business background and the work you're

00:20:46.980 doing on a new podcast, uh, lemon, it was lemonade, lemonade stand and talking about business

00:20:51.940 and branding, et cetera.

00:20:52.780 But you mentioned just in, in reference and passing something that I think is interesting

00:20:57.080 and for folks, again, may not be familiar with on Fortnite in particular, which I just

00:21:01.540 remember my kids watching religiously to your point during COVID, uh, excessively as

00:21:07.200 apparent, uh, from my perspective, uh, but, uh, from their perspective, they were, I just

00:21:12.400 got on it, dad.

00:21:13.160 What do you mean?

00:21:13.680 I've only been on it for 10 minutes.

00:21:15.120 But I remember turning it on one day and they're listening to a concert.

00:21:17.800 I'm like, what are you guys listening to?

00:21:18.940 It's like, I think it was Marshmallow or.

00:21:20.800 Oh yeah.

00:21:21.080 They did concerts.

00:21:21.820 Yeah.

00:21:22.040 And they, so that fascinated me to this integration for live concerts that Travis Scott did

00:21:28.060 as I think Ariana Grande, uh, may have done one also brands, right?

00:21:32.100 I mean, you got Nike now working on those and those platforms, Louis Vuitton.

00:21:36.740 Um, I mean, tell me a little bit about that.

00:21:38.500 Give us a sense of what that integration as well.

00:21:41.180 Yeah.

00:21:41.340 I mean, it is as crazy as it can sound from someone outside of it.

00:21:46.340 It's people all over the world in a digital world, watching these concerts together.

00:21:49.400 They can see each other.

00:21:50.240 They're jumping around.

00:21:50.880 They're having a good time.

00:21:51.920 And it's, it's just becoming where the culture, that is where I think there is such

00:21:56.360 a line if you grew with it or you didn't.

00:21:58.240 And, uh, and I think that is what allows me to talk about other things with the lingo

00:22:03.760 and the references that they use, because it's just something they're native to a hundred

00:22:08.860 percent.

00:22:09.540 But I, you know, I think people will, will come around to it.

00:22:14.620 I, you know, here's an example, uh, for e-sports, all of the biggest ways to watch it are not,

00:22:21.460 you know how you watch the NFL through the NFL's official broadcast or a pirated version.

00:22:26.300 If you're young, but you're watching the official commentators, uh, for e-sports,

00:22:30.240 it doesn't happen that way.

00:22:31.320 They make an official broadcast and then a million people will restream it and all their

00:22:34.840 own commentary.

00:22:35.720 And those guys get way more viewers than the official broadcast.

00:22:38.780 Right.

00:22:39.080 And we're starting to see that happen with sports where they'll have like the Manning

00:22:42.520 cast for the NFL who a lot of rights issues are in the way, but eventually they're going

00:22:46.160 to crack the code because the average person wants to see this stuff filtered through

00:22:50.340 someone they trust and understand.

00:22:51.840 And it's speaking to them like a regular person.

00:22:53.520 Right.

00:22:53.860 That's going to happen in sports.

00:22:54.800 It's going to happen all over that.

00:22:55.740 But the democratization of all of this stuff is happening and it is reaching sports now

00:23:01.660 and it's going to, it's going to happen to things you understand as well.

00:23:04.200 But, um, yeah, it's weird seeing it live, you know, gaming has been on the cutting edge

00:23:09.160 of this because I, again, back to my original point, it's just where people are finding friends

00:23:13.200 and connections where they can find it.

00:23:14.220 Right.

00:23:14.660 It's filling a void that they need filled.

00:23:17.000 So this, so let's go back to that and we'll go back to your reference sort of this,

00:23:20.480 these moments that sort of mark the accelerant and obviously COVID was just off the charts

00:23:25.660 in terms of just people trying to connect, feeling totally isolated, disconnected, and

00:23:30.100 they can find those relationships online.

00:23:31.600 They could find those groups of interest.

00:23:33.520 They can, they can literally develop friendships and, and, and relationships online that they

00:23:38.180 otherwise wouldn't have had necessarily the opportunity, particularly during COVID.

00:23:41.520 Talk to me about, you know, those years, you talk about 2021 representing sort of a peak

00:23:47.040 of consciousness, but what, what, what do you see start to really take shape during those

00:23:51.480 COVID years?

00:23:52.220 I mean, so after 2020, there's a lot of new money, both from Trump and Biden floating around

00:24:00.380 the economy.

00:24:00.880 They both did a lot of stimulus and printing and that went into tech startups and that went

00:24:06.460 into, uh, e-sports and that went into Twitch and that went into all this stuff.

00:24:11.400 And there was a lot of it floating around.

00:24:12.800 There was, uh, you know, I remember, um, there was the GameStop stock craze and everyone

00:24:17.120 wanted to find someone to watch on that.

00:24:18.700 And that was, these things became cultural flashpoints that were taking place entirely

00:24:22.620 online.

00:24:23.220 And then after 2021, we started to get inflation, a lot of inflation that made doing things that

00:24:29.780 weren't online more expensive and more difficult.

00:24:32.260 That's combined with COVID.

00:24:33.960 And so these things I think combined to push people more into online spaces than perhaps natural

00:24:40.680 law would dictate.

00:24:41.600 I mean, that, that is what happened.

00:24:43.000 And so, um, it's good and bad, you know, as a content creator, COVID was, uh, uh, exposure

00:24:48.980 to an entirely new audience.

00:24:49.900 It grew a lot bigger, but it's not, I wouldn't say it was a good thing for overall.

00:24:53.740 I, you know, that's not how I'd frame it.

00:24:56.080 And what, in, in, in what way is it not?

00:24:57.780 I mean, the unhealthy aspects are what you try to get offline so you can get back into a

00:25:03.240 line and reconnect with people back in the real world.

00:25:05.600 I mean, well, in what way was it, was it, what I'm saying is I think people, uh, people

00:25:10.920 want to do that naturally.

00:25:12.380 Yeah.

00:25:12.820 They just can't, they just, it is just more difficult.

00:25:15.860 You know, I, I don't know if we want to get to it now, but I, I do want to start talking

00:25:20.240 about Gen Z men and, uh, the issue I'm seeing, not all of them are like, it's a broad, diverse

00:25:27.520 group, of course.

00:25:28.160 And, and it's a huge point of my audience and I'm hearing them, I'm hearing their, their

00:25:32.300 thoughts a lot.

00:25:34.100 They range from angry to openly nihilistic.

00:25:38.460 And the nihilism is what's coming is what I sense growing a little bit where they're disillusioned.

00:25:44.020 You know, I think around 22, three, four, you probably saw this on the political side.

00:25:49.220 They drifted more conservative because they thought that would be the solution.

00:25:53.020 Right.

00:25:53.380 And as Donald Trump has proven to be not the answer to any of their problems.

00:25:56.180 And in fact, making a lot of them worse, making the inflation worse, making the economy

00:25:59.320 worse, making, then they are now just drifting into open nihilism.

00:26:02.820 And that, that is what I'm saying.

00:26:04.240 And I'm not to, to blame that on the, the methods they're using to try and not be that

00:26:10.500 is crazy.

00:26:11.100 It's not, that's not the issue.

00:26:12.280 It's not the discord.

00:26:13.060 It's not the, yeah.

00:26:14.260 Right.

00:26:14.780 No, I, no, I appreciate that.

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00:31:41.680 And it's, you know, but it does beg sort of the larger consciousness that came out of the

00:31:47.500 Trump campaign as it relates to, you're right, he obviously dominated, particularly with young

00:31:51.620 men, but outperformed in ways that I think surprised a lot of folks and invested a lot

00:31:57.800 of time and energy into spaces where a lot of young men were and where a lot of young men

00:32:02.860 are.

00:32:03.520 We talk about podcasts.

00:32:05.260 We talk about this sort of manosphere, broadly defined, which is something that needs to be

00:32:08.740 unpacked.

00:32:09.840 But he did invest that time and energy to meet people, quote unquote, where they are.

00:32:16.980 And we didn't see that commensurate investment from the Democratic Party, certainly didn't

00:32:21.580 see it from Biden or Harris.

00:32:23.120 We're not really seeing it now.

00:32:24.960 I think I appreciate what you're doing here.

00:32:26.520 And I like this podcast is a good step.

00:32:28.780 But, you know, I saw a piece from Ezra Klein the other day where he he talked about how

00:32:34.540 it seems like and again, I'm going to be candid here.

00:32:37.660 It seems like the DNC as a whole is trying to run a very similar playbook that didn't work

00:32:44.360 and is wondering why they're not getting different results.

00:32:47.160 It is shocking to me that with as bad as Trump is doing, and it really is, again, I if I want

00:32:55.120 to be your Gen Z whisperer for a second, again, I'm millennial, I'm 34.

00:32:57.760 They're going to call me old.

00:32:58.640 My hairline's bad.

00:33:00.000 Call me old bald.

00:33:01.340 Trust me.

00:33:02.260 Old man.

00:33:03.640 They are turning on Donald Trump in a way that will come apparent pretty soon.

00:33:09.620 Uh, but they're not turning towards the Democratic Party difference.

00:33:14.540 Yeah.

00:33:14.760 Yeah.

00:33:15.020 They're equally as upset with them, which is what I think the problem is.

00:33:18.240 Um, and it's kind of crazy that it's not being capitalized on more.

00:33:22.080 And I will give you credit.

00:33:23.460 I think what you have been doing is kind of breaking through the noise.

00:33:26.360 It's showing a little bit of, I don't know, a spine of like a willingness to stand up to

00:33:30.520 what he's doing.

00:33:31.660 Um, but you know, if I can be honest, all right, here's what I'll say.

00:33:38.520 And you haven't announced anything and this is not, but there's a theoretical world where

00:33:42.260 you're going to run for president.

00:33:43.240 I'm just going to say it, man.

00:33:44.300 You don't say anything.

00:33:45.020 I'm okay.

00:33:45.440 This is a virtual world.

00:33:47.240 Yeah.

00:33:47.600 Yeah.

00:33:47.880 Virtual world.

00:33:48.700 Maybe the betting markets have you leading.

00:33:50.540 Okay.

00:33:51.380 There's a theoretical world.

00:33:52.300 And, uh, if, if I can get, um, somebody who's not militarizing the national guard and somebody

00:34:01.620 who's not shutting down TV shows that disagree with them and somebody who's not threatening

00:34:06.200 free and fair elections, that's a huge win already.

00:34:08.340 It's a low bar to clear.

00:34:09.320 It's an easy, pretty low bar, but I get it.

00:34:12.480 But, you know, realistically from the audience that I'm talking about, cause again, I think

00:34:16.680 I got lucky.

00:34:17.360 I got the last chapter out of Nam.

00:34:18.200 I'm feeling fine.

00:34:18.860 And they, they, they can't go back to the status quo, Gavin.

00:34:22.980 They just can't.

00:34:23.700 They will, they will, they will continue to grow more upset and populist and nihilistic

00:34:29.420 unless things seriously change.

00:34:32.140 Like they have to change on a more fundamental level.

00:34:34.340 I love, look, so let's start to unpack this.

00:34:36.800 Cause I, I mean, I love the clarity as you painted this picture.

00:34:40.980 I mean, it's, you know, it's pretty, pretty black and white terms as you painted.

00:34:44.720 I mean, just like this notion of nihilism of just like not giving a shit.

00:34:48.860 Shit about anything and blowing the whole goddamn thing up.

00:34:51.500 And then the most extreme example would be someone like Tyler Robinson.

00:34:53.700 If you look at, you know, his, and I got, I'm not, I'm not a psychoanalyst, I'm not

00:34:56.420 an expert, but there seems to be a nihilism to these kinds of actions.

00:35:00.340 And from young people in general, that is rising where it just feels like if I can't

00:35:04.100 get a house, if you're a young man, I can't get a partner.

00:35:07.680 I, I, I can't find a way to be a, to feel roots in the society that I'm in, then I'm

00:35:12.480 going to drift out of it.

00:35:13.760 I'm going to disengage and they would find any tool to do it.

00:35:18.260 In fact, I would say that one of the healthiest things they can do is gaming and discord

00:35:21.940 because that's with other people.

00:35:22.940 They are finding friends.

00:35:24.340 The, the discord chats that I'm in are not making me or radicalize them.

00:35:27.460 I'm connecting with people all over the world.

00:35:28.800 It's great.

00:35:29.920 In fact, you know, here's an example.

00:35:31.640 I don't know if you've heard about what happened in Nepal recently.

00:35:33.440 Can I, of course, remarkable with Instagram.

00:35:35.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:36.320 So Nepal, their Gen Z youth was deeply upset about rising youth unemployment, rising poverty.

00:35:43.660 And they were posting about it on social media and they were getting angry.

00:35:46.400 Then the government tried to ban social media.

00:35:48.400 And that's when they took the streets.

00:35:49.720 That's when they're going, that's when they're, they're rioting.

00:35:51.680 That's when they're going crazy because these are the last outlets people have.

00:35:56.200 So I just want to give that perspective here is that if Congress is going to haul discord

00:36:02.060 and Twitch and Reddit up there and think that restricting them or banning them is going

00:36:05.840 to solve this problem, it is not.

00:36:08.140 I'd be so clear.

00:36:09.000 It is not.

00:36:09.440 It's going to make it more virulent.

00:36:12.860 No, look, I think what you're saying is profoundly important.

00:36:16.900 And, and I'm not trying to go back, but I want to paint this picture because I want

00:36:21.480 to land.

00:36:21.960 I want to hear from your people.

00:36:22.580 Exactly where, where you're going, because I think what you're saying is, is it needs

00:36:27.720 to be said because there were these trend lines that predate all of this for decades

00:36:32.600 and decades.

00:36:33.340 And we have the first generation, this Gen Z is that literally is posed to do much worse

00:36:38.240 than their parents' generation.

00:36:39.540 This is the first generation, uh, in our lifetime, my lifetime certainly, but literally in American

00:36:44.620 history where that would be the case.

00:36:46.460 And so this is code red and it's led to suicides.

00:36:49.800 It bled to dropouts.

00:36:50.880 It's led to all kinds of related issues.

00:36:52.960 And it's, there's guys are screaming disproportionately men in some respects, uh, and no one's paying

00:36:58.540 any damn attention.

00:36:59.660 Uh, and now we're looking at things and I love what you're saying.

00:37:02.480 We're looking at the platforms and not the underlying damn issues.

00:37:05.000 Yeah.

00:37:05.120 A couple of stats.

00:37:05.620 Oh, sorry.

00:37:06.100 No, but yeah, but I want to get to, and I want you to hold those stats because I think

00:37:09.000 they're incredibly important, but I want to go back just so again, just because so many

00:37:13.220 people want to understand, and these are not root causes, but they're component parts of

00:37:19.320 this larger conversation.

00:37:20.600 We talk about the manosphere.

00:37:22.320 What does that mean to you?

00:37:24.300 I mean, what is it?

00:37:25.180 This is an investment that I think Trump and the Republicans made into spaces that are not

00:37:30.820 even inherently political.

00:37:32.300 They are spaces where people are talking about wrestling or, or, or UFC or video games or,

00:37:39.440 um, just finding connection often with other men and just trying to understand similar experiences

00:37:45.000 in the world.

00:37:45.640 And they invested in those spaces and then, Hey, on the side, you like this also on the

00:37:49.560 side, you know, let's stop the woke mind virus or, you know, it would be something like that.

00:37:55.080 It would be, you know, Kamala Harris is not going to help you out.

00:37:57.980 Like that's the idea.

00:37:58.780 And they would mix that in with things people already like, and it became very easy to, to

00:38:03.460 slide in.

00:38:03.900 And it, it, what's crazy.

00:38:05.520 I don't think it's that hard for the Democrats to, to join these spaces.

00:38:09.280 Most people like watching sports.

00:38:10.860 Most people like, it's not, it's not rocket science.

00:38:13.500 And I think, again, I can't overstate how it feels like a ball somewhere is being dropped

00:38:19.480 when you can't speak even semi authentically to people that are not, they're not from a

00:38:24.460 different world.

00:38:24.960 They're not that crazy.

00:38:26.400 Um, so that, that's a problem that I would point out.

00:38:29.980 And I think they did a good job with it, but I will also say this, listen, we're going

00:38:33.620 to fight in this country about social issues left and right forever.

00:38:38.560 It seems.

00:38:39.120 And I really noticed that in the wake of this Charlie Kirk thing, where it's just an endless

00:38:43.240 amount of noise from every direction.

00:38:45.180 You are inundated with it on social media.

00:38:47.380 You, every take goes viral in every direction and nobody's making any progress and no one's

00:38:51.860 making any forward motion.

00:38:53.140 But what I'll say is the main thing that I am seeing and feeling was a deep, um, a deep

00:39:02.660 resentment around costs and inflation and housing.

00:39:05.300 And I, I truly think whichever side can solve those problems will dictate, not dictate, but

00:39:11.520 we'll, we'll take the lead on social issues.

00:39:14.140 People will go whatever direction is going to offer them solutions on that.

00:39:17.900 And because Trump has not done that, like he promised, there's, there's already a, a

00:39:22.320 reverse boomerang starting.

00:39:23.720 Okay.

00:39:24.220 It's going to go the other way, regardless of whether or not anyone reaches out to podcasts,

00:39:28.120 there will be a reverse boomerang.

00:39:29.640 But if it goes this way and that isn't solved again, it'll be an even stronger, that is how

00:39:34.880 it's going to play out.

00:39:35.800 I I'm certain of it.

00:39:37.140 So, um, yeah, I, yeah.

00:39:40.500 So you're talking, I mean, it's, you know, unpacking this a little bit, it's, it's not just

00:39:44.160 about politics.

00:39:44.900 I mean, you talk about nihilism or broadly defined, I mean, this is just, you know,

00:39:48.560 despair.

00:39:49.480 It's economics.

00:39:50.240 It's economics.

00:39:50.740 I really, yeah.

00:39:51.880 And so, you know, one thing as a goal of mine on this podcast is to try and get you, um,

00:39:59.940 not cause I understand you have to win, not to win a lot.

00:40:02.340 Okay.

00:40:02.420 I'm just like, you have to, you have to gain support.

00:40:03.920 You're a politician.

00:40:04.700 You have to represent more than just some individual base.

00:40:07.780 And I think what you're doing, talking to people politically different than you is a,

00:40:11.940 is a big step.

00:40:12.500 And that's awesome.

00:40:13.020 And I think that's cool to gain voters.

00:40:15.260 Um, and gain, understand more understanding.

00:40:18.720 Yeah.

00:40:18.840 No BS.

00:40:19.520 Like gain understanding.

00:40:20.480 I mean, Charlie Kirk on this show is, but when we launched this podcast is the first,

00:40:23.560 and I mean, and I got big people were pissed.

00:40:26.500 I, and you know, what's funny is, is, uh, I respected more for that.

00:40:30.680 I, I, I tried to do some research and watch some of these.

00:40:32.760 Some of the comments are, are brutal on you and you did it anyway.

00:40:35.040 And I respect you to keep doing it.

00:40:36.120 Yeah.

00:40:36.620 But so, um, I'm not here to like push you in a direction that is going to make it harder

00:40:43.020 to get a broader base.

00:40:44.100 I think politicians should try to represent people that aren't directly aligned with them.

00:40:47.460 Yeah.

00:40:47.600 What I'm trying to get you to understand is like, uh, I think I want to push you a little

00:40:53.460 bit more economically on, you know, in this country from like the forties to the eighties,

00:40:58.820 we had an extremely low Gini coefficient of inequality.

00:41:02.580 It was, it was low and flat for years, a strong rising middle class and people broadly feeling

00:41:09.620 were, were proud of their country.

00:41:12.340 They were, and it wasn't like Marxism.

00:41:14.500 It wasn't, you know, it was a capitalist country and businesses could thrive, but people felt

00:41:19.760 like they had a real chance.

00:41:20.760 And since we've allowed this increased consolidation, since we've continually used government funds

00:41:27.280 to prop up the stocks and housing of elderly boomers that own it all, it is, it has become

00:41:33.060 more, it's a ladder that is fewer and fewer rungs to get on.

00:41:36.800 And, uh, so if, if there isn't substantive change on that front, nothing else matters.

00:41:43.860 It's what I'm saying.

00:41:44.240 I really believe that nothing else matters.

00:41:46.060 It doesn't, it won't break through.

00:41:48.180 Um, and I understand that, you know, these boomers vote too.

00:41:51.780 I, I, again, people give you a lot of crap for California housing.

00:41:54.940 I, it's a tough problem.

00:41:56.620 The more I look into it, it's, I used to be someone who just threw around blame really

00:41:59.960 easily.

00:42:00.260 And now I read more of it.

00:42:01.160 It gets me depressed because it's like, it's an impossible complex problem.

00:42:04.760 People that have the housing, they put their life savings into it.

00:42:07.480 That's the retirement.

00:42:08.340 If you try to bring housing prices down, well, then now this person's mad.

00:42:11.240 I get it.

00:42:11.920 But if it doesn't change, we're screwed.

00:42:14.780 There's no getting around this.

00:42:16.040 This is an angry nihilistic generation that wants change badly.

00:42:19.280 And what was the quote unquote California housing crisis going back decades and decades, supply

00:42:23.900 demand imbalance, nimbyism, issues around localism.

00:42:27.460 Now it's one, now it's across the board, all across the United States, people are feeling

00:42:31.920 those pressures.

00:42:32.780 And that's why I think you brought up Ezra Klein a moment ago.

00:42:36.020 We had him on the podcast too.

00:42:37.340 The whole abundance agenda and focusing on, uh, away from process paralysis, uh, and lawfare

00:42:43.720 and all of the nimbyism to a yimby yes in my backyard, not no in my backyard mindset in

00:42:49.480 order to break through that, uh, and to start to address that supply demand imbalance to

00:42:54.980 lower costs, to ultimately provide more points of, of opportunity.

00:42:59.520 So I think you're a hundred percent right.

00:43:01.540 And I think it's only reinforced, um, the broader analysis by the fact there's a lot of Trump

00:43:06.180 supporters that otherwise would be Bernie supporters or well, uh, as well, or vice versa.

00:43:11.060 So there's this sort of notion of populism and not in the pejorative sense, but truly representative

00:43:16.460 sense, uh, recognizing what's missing and giving voice, uh, to that.

00:43:21.320 Now, the question is the prescriptions that, that Trump's offering, as you suggest, I couldn't

00:43:25.700 agree with you more, uh, are sort of proven, uh, to do precisely the opposite.

00:43:29.600 I mean, the largest tax increase, uh, on middle-class and working folks, i.e. tariffs, uh, inflation

00:43:35.100 that's now starting to go back up, uh, and fed policy that is actually not accelerating in

00:43:40.680 terms of decline in interest rates, but because of those, uh, uncertainties, uh, particularly

00:43:45.980 as it relates to pressure inflation, uh, now is not necessarily moving as quickly, uh, to

00:43:50.520 lower borrowing costs as we had otherwise hoped.

00:43:53.100 So I, I totally agree with that.

00:43:55.220 So let's talk just about that.

00:43:56.820 I mean, Scott Galloway is, is-

00:43:58.580 I took his class when I was at NVIDIA, I was in Scott's class and he's one of the

00:44:02.000 people, the way he spoke, not even the content of what he said, the way he presented, I was

00:44:06.980 like, that is, that is something I can learn from.

00:44:10.080 And I took to that.

00:44:11.080 So when I was, uh, starting to stream, yeah.

00:44:12.780 And Scott, you know, Scott, for those that don't know, we also have out in the pod as

00:44:16.400 well.

00:44:16.940 He's, uh, I mean, he really speaks to the Gen Z generation.

00:44:20.460 He speaks in generational terms as theft.

00:44:23.060 Uh, you look at this big, beautiful bill, uh, and all this massive tax cuts that are

00:44:29.000 burdening the generation that is increasingly already feeling like no one gives a damn about

00:44:34.040 them.

00:44:34.420 Yeah.

00:44:34.900 Uh, so it just reinforces, I think the, the called arms that you're suggesting here in

00:44:39.140 terms of consciousness that is, uh, as it relates to the moment.

00:44:42.060 Yeah.

00:44:42.300 And I, again, you know, I, I think these, these trends were in a bad direction before Trump,

00:44:47.260 but he has done absolutely nothing to help.

00:44:50.660 I mean, the big, beautiful bill is, is a disaster.

00:44:53.160 It is a massive multi-trillion dollar credit card swipe that we younger people are going

00:44:57.660 to have to pay.

00:44:58.580 And I don't know, it, it, it, it's, it, I'm not suggesting, um, getting rid of social security

00:45:06.160 or anything, but it is, it is frustrating as a young working person that the biggest line

00:45:11.220 item on the government budget is checks to older people.

00:45:13.480 Many of whom have houses and have a paycheck to afford, you know, it is just, I think we

00:45:20.000 are not seeing enough go to people that are trying to get started in this, in the country

00:45:25.340 and, and, and get on the ladder.

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00:50:53.000 And do you see it from, I mean, so there's tax policy that's obviously profound and outsized.

00:50:59.440 You know, it's interesting, we had Steve Bannon on as well, and, you know, he was arguing for progressive tax policy.

00:51:05.300 I said at a certain point, I said, Steve, you sound like you're governor of California,

00:51:09.320 arguing for California's progressive tax policy.

00:51:12.320 Yeah, he argues for Lena Kahn as well. It's a shocker to me. I'm a huge Lena Kahn fan,

00:51:16.200 and I wanted to push that with you as well.

00:51:18.640 Listen, those years I'm talking about, those low inequality years in America,

00:51:24.480 again, probably golden years of America, maybe social policy we can improve,

00:51:27.680 but that's the golden years of economically.

00:51:29.860 The key things of that era, we had strong unions.

00:51:32.160 We had a progressive tax policy that had high tax rates on the richest people.

00:51:38.380 We had an antitrust enforcement that stopped constant consolidation.

00:51:44.460 Again, this Jimmy Kimmel thing, people aren't talking enough about how it's so clearly Nexstar trying to merge with Tegna

00:51:50.900 to get an inordinate amount of affiliates in this country,

00:51:54.400 and they're just saying whatever Trump wants to hear so that they can get this bill signed.

00:51:59.220 Amen.

00:51:59.820 It all comes back to economics is what I'm trying to really get across,

00:52:05.180 and it's a core part of my content, is we can fight forever on social issues,

00:52:10.880 and we always will.

00:52:12.660 And in the social media area, I just realized how useless it is,

00:52:16.040 because algorithms will give you the opinion you want and the one you hate,

00:52:19.380 and they'll make that one look stupid,

00:52:20.440 and they'll give you the comments that support you,

00:52:22.640 and it's just no point in arguing.

00:52:24.060 I'm tired of it.

00:52:24.760 Most people are tired of it.

00:52:26.520 And so I just think we have to just,

00:52:28.920 we got to really focus in on the economics,

00:52:31.760 because that's where we're going to make a difference.

00:52:33.660 People can feel that change.

00:52:35.180 They can feel, like, rents are going down in L.A.

00:52:38.000 I've noticed it.

00:52:39.240 I saw Stetley.

00:52:41.480 People do feel it.

00:52:42.640 It takes a while.

00:52:43.680 They probably don't give everybody credit.

00:52:44.960 They're not giving it, but it happens.

00:52:47.360 If you guys could get in California,

00:52:49.260 the high-speed rail built,

00:52:51.000 I know it's like an impossible legal challenge,

00:52:53.600 and everyone blocks it every step.

00:52:54.780 I'm not...

00:52:55.100 We're on the other side of the legal.

00:52:56.400 We're on the other side of the environmental.

00:52:57.760 We're actually starting to lay track.

00:52:59.100 We're actually decades and decades.

00:53:00.880 I can't make up for the past,

00:53:02.240 but I have to be accountable to the present,

00:53:04.900 and we're finally laying tracks.

00:53:06.500 We're finally moving forward on the damn project.

00:53:09.280 2,270 parcels had to be procured through eminent domain

00:53:13.880 and other means decade of just moving,

00:53:18.220 like, in quicksand, barely inches.

00:53:20.660 And then all the environment,

00:53:21.800 all that now is behind us,

00:53:24.260 finally moving to lay the damn track.

00:53:26.740 And I want to say,

00:53:27.420 when someone gets on that train and rides it,

00:53:29.780 and it makes their life 5%, 10% more convenient,

00:53:32.780 they notice.

00:53:33.860 They feel it.

00:53:34.660 That stuff does matter.

00:53:36.840 And I just...

00:53:38.840 So let's say you talk about housing,

00:53:40.440 rents, rents too damn high.

00:53:42.600 Sure.

00:53:42.920 Housing, transportation.

00:53:44.660 What else?

00:53:45.280 I mean, how about wages?

00:53:46.380 I mean, is that...

00:53:46.800 Yeah, sure.

00:53:47.200 So Gen Z men.

00:53:48.320 Yeah.

00:53:49.000 Unemployment for Gen Z men

00:53:50.160 who are college graduates

00:53:51.360 is the same as those

00:53:52.860 that haven't graduated college.

00:53:54.280 They're getting this degree

00:53:55.420 and getting no material benefit

00:53:57.360 in terms of the stats.

00:53:58.860 No, that's just...

00:53:59.860 And that's just started...

00:54:00.780 We're just starting to see that take shape.

00:54:02.860 There was always that college premium.

00:54:04.640 Yeah.

00:54:04.780 And now for the first time

00:54:06.080 with these remarkable...

00:54:07.960 This was not, quote unquote,

00:54:09.400 as people said,

00:54:10.080 oh, you've got this sort of

00:54:11.360 useless philosophy degree

00:54:13.060 and you can't get a real job with it.

00:54:15.020 No, these are folks with actual...

00:54:16.300 No, there's computer science.

00:54:16.980 Degrees in computer science

00:54:17.900 and they can't.

00:54:18.720 They can't get a job.

00:54:20.460 And by the way,

00:54:21.160 philosophy is not useless.

00:54:22.600 In fact, in many ways,

00:54:23.940 philosophy is the preferred course.

00:54:25.760 Nowadays, yeah.

00:54:26.420 Nowadays, which is...

00:54:27.300 Maybe all the stream it.

00:54:28.240 Yeah.

00:54:28.960 No.

00:54:29.360 So, yeah, they are...

00:54:33.140 Sorry.

00:54:34.800 No, so, I mean,

00:54:35.380 you're reentering a job market

00:54:36.500 that's more difficult than ever.

00:54:37.500 People...

00:54:37.940 Oh, absolutely.

00:54:38.340 Now people don't even want

00:54:39.360 to go to college, right?

00:54:40.220 I mean, you get this

00:54:40.740 Peter Thiel frame.

00:54:42.100 So, look,

00:54:43.240 not only did they not getting

00:54:44.800 the premium from going to college,

00:54:46.240 college has never been more expensive

00:54:47.560 for these young men,

00:54:49.240 especially for these Gen Z people

00:54:51.180 who had to go to college

00:54:52.220 during COVID.

00:54:53.160 I can't tell you

00:54:54.140 what a sucker punch

00:54:55.300 it has to be

00:54:56.420 to pay way more

00:54:58.220 than your parents ever paid

00:54:59.180 to go to Zoom college

00:55:00.680 where...

00:55:01.260 Yeah.

00:55:02.220 And this is not...

00:55:03.640 You know, we talk about

00:55:04.500 Discord and Reddit

00:55:05.440 and gaming's changing the world.

00:55:07.080 I got to talk to you

00:55:07.760 as well as well

00:55:08.380 about AI

00:55:10.220 and ChatGPT.

00:55:12.320 Listen, Governor,

00:55:13.240 I don't know if someone

00:55:14.240 on your staff

00:55:14.940 is telling you this.

00:55:15.900 Every high school

00:55:16.760 in California,

00:55:17.500 and there's great ones,

00:55:18.440 every college in California,

00:55:20.080 people are cheating

00:55:21.220 with ChatGPT.

00:55:22.660 Professors are writing rubrics

00:55:24.000 ChatGPT

00:55:24.560 and then grading

00:55:25.200 with ChatGPT.

00:55:26.060 People are paying

00:55:26.600 absurd amounts of money

00:55:27.700 to get...

00:55:29.160 It's all a farce.

00:55:31.180 And I'm not saying

00:55:31.600 it's everybody.

00:55:32.040 People are very smart

00:55:32.780 and learning,

00:55:33.180 but this is happening.

00:55:34.780 And we have, again,

00:55:36.700 this is a bigger problem

00:55:37.780 with Trump,

00:55:38.240 but our Secretary of Education

00:55:39.360 is like from the WWE.

00:55:41.240 It's...

00:55:41.760 Literally.

00:55:42.780 It's ridiculous.

00:55:43.560 Yeah, literally.

00:55:44.260 I'm not joking.

00:55:45.000 I think you're making that up

00:55:46.040 actually was the co-founder.

00:55:47.760 It's Linda McMahon.

00:55:48.380 She and her husband.

00:55:49.560 Yes.

00:55:50.060 And I see a speech with her

00:55:51.200 and she's talking about

00:55:52.180 how these kids

00:55:53.420 need to learn about A1.

00:55:54.600 She doesn't even know what A...

00:55:55.520 She can't even pronounce it.

00:55:56.720 A1.

00:55:57.180 And this is changing

00:55:58.420 literally education rapidly.

00:56:00.380 So, again,

00:56:01.600 I hate to put it all on you.

00:56:04.120 You're one person in it,

00:56:05.120 but I'm just...

00:56:05.940 This is my id

00:56:07.280 screaming out to the void

00:56:08.300 that I'm hearing.

00:56:09.280 It's like things

00:56:10.160 are changing rapidly

00:56:11.080 and I don't feel like

00:56:12.440 the DNC particularly

00:56:13.920 is like throwing out

00:56:16.120 the old playbook.

00:56:16.800 Yeah.

00:56:16.940 That's...

00:56:17.420 It just won't work.

00:56:20.420 And are you...

00:56:21.940 When you...

00:56:23.020 The folks that you're

00:56:24.040 interacting with,

00:56:24.820 are they...

00:56:25.540 Is this a gender issue

00:56:27.660 as well from the perspective...

00:56:29.360 Yeah, it's an interesting question.

00:56:31.740 Definitely it feels like

00:56:32.880 young women are adapting

00:56:34.140 more to the society

00:56:35.120 we have now.

00:56:35.900 They are just finding a way

00:56:36.940 to get to college,

00:56:38.240 get on the corporate ladder.

00:56:39.740 And, you know,

00:56:40.720 I think Scott Galloway

00:56:41.500 talks about this.

00:56:42.900 There's an idea generally

00:56:44.080 that men are fine

00:56:46.180 dating socioeconomically

00:56:48.220 equal or down

00:56:49.340 and women generally

00:56:50.560 want to date equal or up.

00:56:51.840 So it reduces

00:56:52.680 the amount of partners

00:56:54.180 available for men

00:56:55.380 who can't get on

00:56:55.980 the economic ladder

00:56:56.740 which makes them

00:56:57.600 more disengaged

00:56:58.460 and more...

00:56:59.400 You know,

00:56:59.760 it's a snowball effect.

00:57:01.760 Again,

00:57:02.100 it's not women's fault

00:57:02.800 but this is what's happening

00:57:04.120 and it creates this

00:57:06.680 simmering misogyny

00:57:09.660 in online spaces

00:57:10.260 and it creates this...

00:57:11.660 But it comes back

00:57:12.320 to economics.

00:57:12.880 That's all I can say

00:57:13.380 over and over again

00:57:13.920 is it comes back

00:57:14.740 to economics

00:57:15.220 and again,

00:57:16.280 if I could spoil it

00:57:17.600 down to one word,

00:57:18.480 it's like radicalism

00:57:19.680 is when no house.

00:57:21.780 If you can't get a house,

00:57:23.280 if you don't see a path

00:57:24.160 to get a house

00:57:24.580 and I hear this

00:57:25.500 all the time,

00:57:26.740 some of them are working.

00:57:28.000 They're working decent jobs.

00:57:29.520 They're working hard.

00:57:30.120 It's not even feasible

00:57:31.960 in a lot of these cities

00:57:33.000 to ever get a house.

00:57:34.660 You can't save up enough

00:57:35.620 without taking on

00:57:37.040 an absurd amount of debt ever.

00:57:38.280 It's just not possible

00:57:39.220 and if you picked one thing

00:57:43.320 to focus in on,

00:57:44.280 that would be it

00:57:44.960 because that's the biggest thing

00:57:47.140 to put you as part of society

00:57:48.940 or outside of society.

00:57:50.040 Once you feel like

00:57:50.600 you can get on that ladder,

00:57:52.020 you're okay.

00:57:52.720 You can calm down.

00:57:54.040 You can find a party.

00:57:55.460 You can vote

00:57:55.920 but if you can't see that,

00:57:57.640 what's the point?

00:57:58.680 Why am I doing it?

00:57:59.540 Why am I working this job

00:58:00.580 for a boss I hate,

00:58:01.740 for wages that are only okay?

00:58:03.380 I'm never going to get

00:58:04.420 another step up.

00:58:06.340 So yeah, yeah.

00:58:07.440 I feel like I've said that enough.

00:58:09.200 No, no.

00:58:09.720 Look, again,

00:58:10.620 I appreciate it

00:58:11.660 and again,

00:58:12.520 bouncing back and forth

00:58:13.800 because I think it's important.

00:58:15.380 You talk about,

00:58:16.340 you brought up the word misogyny

00:58:18.840 and finding back

00:58:20.860 to this sort of manosphere

00:58:21.920 that comes in many forms

00:58:23.340 and manifestations.

00:58:24.380 So I think there's

00:58:25.080 sort of a laziness,

00:58:26.060 quote unquote,

00:58:26.440 the manosphere,

00:58:27.200 what it means or doesn't mean.

00:58:28.560 But there are misogynistic aspects

00:58:30.760 of the manosphere

00:58:31.980 and there are people

00:58:33.260 that have been very successful

00:58:34.560 in that space,

00:58:35.980 the sort of Andrew Tate's

00:58:37.660 of the world

00:58:38.180 in some respects.

00:58:39.840 I mean,

00:58:40.240 the fair,

00:58:40.920 unfair Adrian Ross

00:58:41.940 and the Joel Peterson types.

00:58:44.040 Sure, yeah.

00:58:44.640 I mean,

00:58:45.160 what do you make of that

00:58:46.620 in the context

00:58:47.260 of the vernacular

00:58:47.880 of the world

00:58:48.860 that you've been navigating

00:58:50.860 and generationally,

00:58:52.560 what your sort of understanding

00:58:54.120 of all that?

00:58:54.620 Yeah,

00:58:54.740 I'll tell you the worst part

00:58:55.520 about consecration.

00:58:57.060 Gavin Newsom is that...

00:58:57.980 That's funny.

00:59:01.320 My dad's a lifelong Republican.

00:59:04.020 He...

00:59:04.540 Not a Trumper,

00:59:05.460 thank God.

00:59:06.020 But he...

00:59:07.500 So I don't think

00:59:08.060 he's the world's biggest

00:59:08.960 Gavin Newsom fan, maybe,

00:59:10.020 but I did a very small

00:59:11.220 interview with you

00:59:13.220 a while ago,

00:59:13.740 a live streamer.

00:59:14.240 Yeah, Gavin.

00:59:14.740 And I called you Gavin.

00:59:16.240 Yeah.

00:59:16.540 He called me afterward.

00:59:17.340 He said,

00:59:17.600 you call him governor.

00:59:19.340 I appreciate him,

00:59:20.900 but I also appreciate you.

00:59:22.360 Gavin works.

00:59:22.840 He's a military guy.

00:59:23.660 I'm called new scum, buddy.

00:59:25.120 Exactly.

00:59:25.760 I think you can take...

00:59:26.300 I could handle Gavin

00:59:27.200 better than new scum,

00:59:28.480 which the six-year-olds

00:59:30.000 used to call me.

00:59:31.520 Hell of a thing

00:59:32.240 when an 86-year-old

00:59:33.240 is calling me that.

00:59:34.160 89, Mr. Trump.

00:59:35.540 You're 89.

00:59:37.160 The misogyny, okay?

00:59:39.040 Here's the thing

00:59:39.400 about consecration

00:59:40.020 is you have a direct

00:59:42.180 financial incentive

00:59:43.480 at all times

00:59:44.620 to feed into

00:59:46.140 people's resentment

00:59:47.700 and to feed into their anger

00:59:49.260 and to feed into...

00:59:49.980 It is just

00:59:50.740 the way the algorithms work.

00:59:52.360 I thought about this deeply

00:59:53.580 in the wake of Charlie Kirk.

00:59:54.700 I was thinking about

00:59:55.060 what I wanted to say,

00:59:56.240 and I was looking around

00:59:56.880 on the internet,

00:59:57.220 and I realized

00:59:57.500 it doesn't matter

00:59:58.200 what I say.

00:59:58.840 It'll just be fed

00:59:59.780 to the person

01:00:00.320 that agrees with me.

01:00:01.420 It doesn't...

01:00:02.200 If I say something

01:00:02.900 that pisses somebody off,

01:00:04.260 they'll never see it again.

01:00:05.240 It'll go into the void.

01:00:06.740 We are going through

01:00:07.620 an algorithm

01:00:08.100 that just decides

01:00:09.120 what you want to see.

01:00:10.480 So, in that case,

01:00:12.320 there is a strong

01:00:13.060 financial incentive

01:00:13.840 to tell people

01:00:14.620 who can't find a house

01:00:16.100 or a partner

01:00:16.580 that it's immigrants' fault

01:00:18.260 or it's women's fault

01:00:19.100 or it's whoever.

01:00:21.560 It's the woke mind virus.

01:00:23.480 They'll tell you

01:00:24.240 it's someone's fault,

01:00:24.900 and that's very comforting.

01:00:26.720 Yeah, it's very,

01:00:27.440 very comforting

01:00:27.960 if you're in that spot

01:00:28.860 to have an enemy,

01:00:29.900 to have someone

01:00:30.380 you can rally around

01:00:31.800 and get angry at.

01:00:33.720 Again, on the space

01:00:35.020 I'm in, in Twitch,

01:00:36.100 the most right-wing aspects

01:00:38.020 of Twitch

01:00:38.440 are mostly talking about

01:00:39.320 how, man,

01:00:40.480 these woke people

01:00:41.500 are ruining gaming

01:00:42.420 because people

01:00:43.320 want to play games.

01:00:44.100 They'll be like,

01:00:44.420 oh, there's these

01:00:45.720 female characters

01:00:46.600 leading the game.

01:00:49.320 And it's like,

01:00:50.140 again, this is

01:00:50.780 a tiny problem,

01:00:51.860 but it unites these people.

01:00:52.900 It's something

01:00:53.220 to rally around.

01:00:54.640 And so,

01:00:55.560 yeah,

01:00:57.540 yeah,

01:00:58.060 it's a symptom

01:00:59.100 is what I'll say,

01:00:59.700 though,

01:00:59.920 is that misogyny,

01:01:00.780 I mean,

01:01:01.000 it's probably amplified

01:01:01.780 by this,

01:01:02.480 but it's because

01:01:03.200 they are resentful

01:01:03.960 and someone's going

01:01:04.740 to fill that void

01:01:05.380 and tell them

01:01:05.880 it's this person's problem.

01:01:07.380 So is that,

01:01:07.940 I mean,

01:01:08.160 is that why,

01:01:09.600 tell me,

01:01:10.380 I mean,

01:01:10.500 a lot of these spaces,

01:01:11.540 I mean,

01:01:11.740 then there's sort of

01:01:12.840 that echo chamber

01:01:13.580 and then you get

01:01:14.200 that confirmation bias,

01:01:15.480 the algorithms

01:01:16.060 reinforcing that,

01:01:17.680 your worldview

01:01:18.380 is colored in,

01:01:19.560 it's amplified,

01:01:20.360 it becomes bigger,

01:01:21.100 and you become

01:01:22.540 more convinced

01:01:23.400 or ideological

01:01:24.160 in that space

01:01:25.520 at the same time

01:01:26.340 and in some places

01:01:27.780 that leads you

01:01:28.440 to a comfortable place,

01:01:31.160 other places

01:01:31.740 can leave you

01:01:32.300 a radicalized place,

01:01:33.680 which could manifest

01:01:35.480 offline

01:01:36.180 in pretty,

01:01:37.200 you know,

01:01:37.960 pretty significant ways,

01:01:39.160 right?

01:01:39.680 Yeah,

01:01:39.960 what I'll say is

01:01:40.680 people have gotten

01:01:41.960 radicalized in human history

01:01:43.660 without these platforms.

01:01:45.440 Yeah.

01:01:45.620 And it's because

01:01:46.940 it's,

01:01:47.940 you know,

01:01:48.240 it's usually when inequality

01:01:49.600 has reached a breaking point.

01:01:50.760 You go to the 20s and 30s

01:01:52.060 or whatever in Germany,

01:01:54.560 I don't think they were,

01:01:55.900 I don't think Germans

01:01:56.880 were a different people.

01:01:58.300 They were just,

01:01:58.880 they had hyperinflation,

01:02:00.080 they had bad economic problems

01:02:01.160 and it led to radicalization.

01:02:02.360 This happens in human history

01:02:03.380 all over.

01:02:04.100 People,

01:02:04.820 people feel like

01:02:05.520 they can't get on the ladder.

01:02:06.640 They start going to edges.

01:02:08.180 I do think that

01:02:09.100 the internet has made it faster.

01:02:11.060 It's made it quicker.

01:02:11.820 It's made it more virulent.

01:02:12.600 It lets people

01:02:13.460 get larger groups quick.

01:02:16.160 There's a danger to that,

01:02:17.720 but it's not the,

01:02:18.980 it's not the core of the problem.

01:02:20.520 It's not,

01:02:21.280 banning it will not change things

01:02:22.920 is what I'm trying to say.

01:02:23.600 Yeah.

01:02:24.020 No,

01:02:24.380 and the example of Nepal

01:02:26.440 is a cautionary tale

01:02:28.000 in that respect.

01:02:29.260 That's a hell of a cautionary tale.

01:02:30.720 People don't,

01:02:31.480 not familiar with it.

01:02:32.520 I mean,

01:02:32.740 just look that up.

01:02:33.960 Yeah, look it up.

01:02:34.420 And to see what happened

01:02:35.340 and have just an,

01:02:36.140 almost just,

01:02:36.860 they lit a match.

01:02:37.860 No, they did.

01:02:38.420 And how almost overnight

01:02:39.820 that radically has changed

01:02:41.640 the course of the direction

01:02:42.400 of the country.

01:02:42.420 It's actually incredible

01:02:43.800 because,

01:02:44.400 you know,

01:02:44.940 I'm in Nepalese,

01:02:46.820 their Gen Z movement

01:02:47.820 is all in a giant

01:02:49.100 800,000 person discord server

01:02:51.920 and they're voting

01:02:52.620 to decide the next prime minister,

01:02:54.260 which they,

01:02:54.720 interim prime minister,

01:02:55.340 they're gonna have an actual vote.

01:02:56.500 But it's,

01:02:57.420 it is a wild,

01:02:58.720 small example

01:03:00.460 of how

01:03:00.960 the internet

01:03:02.420 is going to fuse

01:03:03.460 with these actual resentments

01:03:04.860 to create change,

01:03:06.000 whether people like it or not,

01:03:07.020 unless they're addressed.

01:03:08.720 What do you just interpret

01:03:09.600 addressing more broadly

01:03:11.080 what's going on

01:03:12.140 on the internet?

01:03:13.480 What's your sort of

01:03:14.300 broader sense

01:03:15.160 of social media's

01:03:16.600 responsibility

01:03:17.200 in that space

01:03:17.980 to police itself,

01:03:19.480 to police,

01:03:20.320 to police,

01:03:22.160 well,

01:03:23.540 speech,

01:03:24.380 to deal with the extremes,

01:03:27.860 to have at least some cues

01:03:30.840 that express some concern

01:03:32.740 if things,

01:03:34.220 I mean,

01:03:34.500 or is it just complete

01:03:36.140 hands up?

01:03:36.620 It's a very tough question.

01:03:37.980 I don't know if I have the answer

01:03:38.780 to it because

01:03:39.400 the answer everyone will give you

01:03:42.040 is obviously there's some speech

01:03:44.320 that is too far,

01:03:45.120 but nobody knows.

01:03:46.840 You know,

01:03:47.080 people have such different views

01:03:48.760 and so

01:03:49.900 one person's,

01:03:51.840 this is a totally normal,

01:03:52.880 fair thing to say,

01:03:53.580 is the other person,

01:03:54.080 that's horrible disinformation

01:03:55.160 that needs to be banned

01:03:55.820 and we've seen the shoe

01:03:57.000 on both feet now.

01:03:57.980 We've seen people

01:03:59.000 that are really mad

01:03:59.780 about

01:04:00.160 the way Twitter

01:04:02.800 handled itself

01:04:03.520 during COVID

01:04:04.140 are now

01:04:04.900 hyper-defending

01:04:06.280 the president's right

01:04:07.020 to take down

01:04:07.600 a late-night host

01:04:09.100 for making a mild jab

01:04:10.460 in his direct,

01:04:10.860 I mean,

01:04:11.140 people are very hypocritical

01:04:12.940 on this front

01:04:13.400 because free speech

01:04:14.160 sounds great

01:04:14.740 when it's the speech you like.

01:04:16.480 So I don't have the,

01:04:18.060 I'm not the guy

01:04:18.660 to give you the right answer

01:04:19.560 on that.

01:04:20.200 I would just say,

01:04:21.180 you know,

01:04:23.240 human history has shown

01:04:24.140 time and time again

01:04:25.080 that censorship

01:04:25.880 is a tool

01:04:28.280 for people

01:04:28.820 that cannot win

01:04:30.360 in the public sphere.

01:04:31.220 They can't find a way

01:04:32.100 to get their point across.

01:04:33.220 Yeah,

01:04:33.380 so is violence.

01:04:34.280 Yeah,

01:04:34.500 and violence.

01:04:34.940 Yeah,

01:04:35.200 100%.

01:04:35.780 Yeah.

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01:05:40.280 Today,

01:05:40.800 I'm joined

01:05:41.460 by Emma Watson.

01:05:43.020 Emma Watson.

01:05:43.960 Emma Watson!

01:05:44.680 Emma Watson

01:05:45.860 has apparently

01:05:46.560 quit acting.

01:05:47.660 Emma Watson

01:05:48.240 has announced

01:05:48.620 she's retiring

01:05:49.240 from acting.

01:05:49.940 Has anyone else

01:05:50.740 noticed that we

01:05:51.260 haven't seen

01:05:51.620 Emma Watson

01:05:52.180 in anything

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01:05:54.100 Emma Watson

01:05:54.660 is opening up

01:05:55.440 the truth

01:05:55.960 behind her

01:05:56.580 five-year break

01:05:57.460 from acting.

01:05:58.460 Watson said

01:05:59.040 she wasn't

01:05:59.520 very happy.

01:06:01.380 Was acting

01:06:02.180 always something

01:06:03.040 you were going

01:06:03.560 to do?

01:06:03.900 I was using

01:06:04.340 acting as a way

01:06:05.860 of escaping

01:06:06.300 to feel free.

01:06:07.660 My parents,

01:06:08.500 it wasn't just

01:06:09.100 the divorce,

01:06:09.660 it was just

01:06:10.000 like the continuing

01:06:10.780 situation of

01:06:12.100 living between

01:06:12.980 two different houses

01:06:13.980 and two different

01:06:14.720 lives and two

01:06:15.820 different sets

01:06:16.200 of values,

01:06:17.080 the career

01:06:17.680 and the life

01:06:18.640 that looks

01:06:19.460 like the dream.

01:06:21.220 But are you

01:06:22.260 really happy?

01:06:23.860 Fame has given

01:06:24.460 me this extraordinary

01:06:25.260 power,

01:06:25.860 it's also given

01:06:26.360 me a lot of

01:06:27.760 responsibility.

01:06:28.200 listen to On Purpose

01:06:30.560 with Jay Shetty

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01:06:39.320 All I know

01:06:40.400 is what I've been

01:06:41.300 told and that

01:06:42.420 to have truth

01:06:43.200 is a whole lie.

01:06:44.760 For almost a decade,

01:06:46.740 the murder

01:06:47.160 of an 18-year-old

01:06:48.460 girl from a small

01:06:49.780 town in Graves

01:06:51.120 County, Kentucky

01:06:52.240 went unsolved

01:06:53.640 until a local

01:06:55.040 homemaker,

01:06:55.940 a journalist

01:06:56.580 and a handful

01:06:57.440 of girls,

01:06:58.420 came forward

01:06:59.080 with a story.

01:07:00.520 I'm telling you,

01:07:01.420 we know Quincy

01:07:02.320 killed her.

01:07:03.080 We know.

01:07:03.820 A story that

01:07:04.860 law enforcement

01:07:05.520 used to convict

01:07:06.680 six people

01:07:07.780 and that got

01:07:08.680 the citizen

01:07:09.320 investigator

01:07:10.100 on national TV.

01:07:11.860 Through sheer

01:07:12.640 persistence

01:07:13.320 and nerve,

01:07:14.320 this Kentucky

01:07:14.900 housewife

01:07:15.520 helped give

01:07:16.260 justice

01:07:16.860 to Jessica

01:07:17.720 Curran.

01:07:18.560 My name is

01:07:19.520 Maggie Freeling.

01:07:20.600 I'm a Pulitzer

01:07:21.240 Prize-winning

01:07:21.880 journalist,

01:07:22.840 producer,

01:07:23.220 and I

01:07:24.720 wouldn't be

01:07:25.320 here if the

01:07:26.340 truth were

01:07:27.180 that easy

01:07:27.760 to find.

01:07:29.280 I did not

01:07:29.640 know her

01:07:30.040 and I did

01:07:30.360 not kill

01:07:30.720 her or rape

01:07:31.800 or burn

01:07:32.400 or any of

01:07:32.860 that other

01:07:33.160 stuff that

01:07:33.600 y'all said.

01:07:34.260 They literally

01:07:35.020 made me say

01:07:35.660 that I took

01:07:36.080 a match

01:07:36.460 and struck

01:07:36.960 and threw

01:07:37.380 it on her.

01:07:38.180 They made

01:07:38.560 me say

01:07:38.900 that I poured

01:07:39.320 gas on her.

01:07:42.240 From Lava

01:07:43.300 for Good,

01:07:44.120 this is

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01:07:45.920 a show about

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01:07:48.240 our legal system

01:07:49.240 will go in

01:07:50.300 order to find

01:07:51.400 someone to blame.

01:07:52.240 America,

01:07:53.480 y'all better

01:07:53.800 work the hell

01:07:54.360 up.

01:07:55.080 Bad things

01:07:55.920 happen to

01:07:57.120 good people

01:07:58.460 in small

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01:08:01.660 Listen to

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01:08:35.300 because it does

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01:08:37.980 It feels like

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01:09:23.440 Hey,

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01:09:36.520 that?

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01:10:01.640 What about

01:10:02.480 you?

01:10:02.960 Let's go

01:10:03.480 back to

01:10:03.820 just AI

01:10:04.340 generally.

01:10:05.020 I mean,

01:10:05.180 how is that?

01:10:06.080 And I'm just

01:10:06.460 curious in

01:10:07.240 terms of

01:10:07.700 just what's

01:10:08.880 happening in

01:10:09.380 the gaming

01:10:09.720 space as well,

01:10:10.580 more broadly,

01:10:11.240 even in the

01:10:11.880 e-sports

01:10:12.300 space,

01:10:12.940 what's

01:10:13.780 happening as

01:10:14.280 well,

01:10:14.500 gambling,

01:10:15.640 and how it

01:10:17.360 just seems to

01:10:17.960 me that's

01:10:18.380 sort of an

01:10:18.720 iterative part

01:10:19.920 of all of

01:10:20.360 this as well.

01:10:20.940 We talk about

01:10:21.500 Kick and

01:10:22.780 others.

01:10:23.060 It sort of

01:10:23.540 seems like

01:10:24.220 they're moving

01:10:24.760 more and more

01:10:25.660 in that

01:10:25.980 direction,

01:10:27.000 crypto,

01:10:27.680 gaming,

01:10:28.660 or gambling.

01:10:30.860 I mean,

01:10:31.300 just maybe

01:10:32.020 illuminate a

01:10:32.660 little bit.

01:10:33.040 Yeah,

01:10:33.360 I would love

01:10:34.040 to talk to

01:10:34.460 you about,

01:10:34.940 you know,

01:10:35.240 people are

01:10:35.660 talking about

01:10:36.160 how video

01:10:37.060 games are the

01:10:37.780 problems with

01:10:38.160 young men.

01:10:38.560 I'll tell

01:10:39.420 you,

01:10:39.840 the biggest

01:10:40.440 two things

01:10:41.080 that are

01:10:41.380 destroying

01:10:42.080 young men's

01:10:42.700 ability to

01:10:43.000 get financially

01:10:43.540 on their

01:10:44.160 feet is

01:10:44.920 crypto and

01:10:46.040 gambling,

01:10:46.820 sports gambling

01:10:47.380 particularly.

01:10:48.120 These two

01:10:48.820 things are

01:10:49.580 a viral

01:10:51.740 cancer that

01:10:52.920 are just

01:10:53.320 ripping these

01:10:54.100 people's ability

01:10:54.680 to get a

01:10:55.040 financial leg

01:10:55.640 up apart.

01:10:56.700 Young men

01:10:57.120 are attacked

01:10:59.020 with ads

01:10:59.580 non-stop

01:11:00.600 on offering,

01:11:01.660 because again,

01:11:02.020 if you are

01:11:02.580 financially stuck,

01:11:03.520 if you don't

01:11:03.780 see a path

01:11:04.460 with your

01:11:06.220 normal wages

01:11:06.780 getting a

01:11:07.200 house,

01:11:07.880 then you have

01:11:08.400 to take

01:11:08.680 that 100x

01:11:09.540 bet,

01:11:09.920 you have

01:11:10.060 to take

01:11:10.200 that odd,

01:11:10.660 you have

01:11:10.760 to take

01:11:10.880 that crazy

01:11:11.400 bet,

01:11:11.880 and whether

01:11:12.180 that's

01:11:12.480 punting all

01:11:12.920 your money

01:11:13.280 on a weird

01:11:14.120 meme coin

01:11:14.720 and praying,

01:11:15.520 or it's

01:11:16.120 putting it

01:11:16.500 on a seven

01:11:18.020 leg parlay

01:11:18.700 on DraftKings,

01:11:20.200 that is why

01:11:20.940 they're doing

01:11:21.360 this,

01:11:21.700 and that is

01:11:22.700 just stealing

01:11:23.420 their money

01:11:24.020 every day,

01:11:25.200 and it's

01:11:25.760 making them

01:11:26.400 more frustrated

01:11:28.080 and depressed.

01:11:28.760 Again,

01:11:29.020 I find those

01:11:29.800 two things,

01:11:30.140 I speak about

01:11:30.520 them all the

01:11:30.940 time,

01:11:31.660 those two

01:11:32.000 things,

01:11:32.380 and buy

01:11:32.720 now,

01:11:33.000 pay later.

01:11:33.500 These buy

01:11:33.840 now,

01:11:34.020 pay later

01:11:34.260 companies are

01:11:34.900 just offering

01:11:36.220 people the

01:11:37.800 ability to

01:11:38.300 buy things

01:11:38.680 they cannot

01:11:39.260 afford,

01:11:40.080 and putting

01:11:40.460 them on,

01:11:41.680 stuck in

01:11:42.220 debt cycles

01:11:42.720 early,

01:11:43.180 on small

01:11:43.520 purchases.

01:11:44.380 People are

01:11:44.720 buying now,

01:11:45.080 pay later

01:11:45.360 in groceries,

01:11:46.840 and all

01:11:47.980 these three

01:11:48.580 things,

01:11:49.040 yeah,

01:11:49.200 crypto,

01:11:49.640 gambling,

01:11:49.860 I'm glad

01:11:50.080 you bought

01:11:50.260 this out,

01:11:50.580 these things

01:11:51.020 are what

01:11:51.540 I'm seeing

01:11:52.060 among Gen Z

01:11:52.720 the most,

01:11:53.740 are just

01:11:54.180 attacking them

01:11:54.980 financially,

01:11:55.940 and at the

01:11:56.520 time when

01:11:56.880 they really

01:11:58.040 don't need

01:11:58.680 it,

01:11:58.980 more than

01:11:59.980 any,

01:12:00.200 boomers can

01:12:00.660 take this,

01:12:01.540 Gen Z

01:12:01.760 cannot take

01:12:02.520 loss of

01:12:03.220 this month's

01:12:04.960 paycheck on a

01:12:05.860 crypto,

01:12:06.400 they just

01:12:06.800 can't do

01:12:07.200 it,

01:12:07.460 and so,

01:12:08.480 yeah,

01:12:09.460 I am strongly,

01:12:10.620 I mean it's

01:12:10.960 so crazy

01:12:11.400 because we

01:12:11.820 barely regulated

01:12:12.840 crypto under

01:12:13.820 Biden,

01:12:14.280 we were making

01:12:14.740 some progress,

01:12:15.500 and now it's

01:12:16.120 out the window,

01:12:18.100 Kevin,

01:12:18.400 I mean it's,

01:12:19.680 the president

01:12:20.260 made five billion

01:12:20.980 off a meme

01:12:21.440 coin,

01:12:21.820 it's ridiculous,

01:12:22.940 I find it so

01:12:24.360 deeply frustrating

01:12:25.320 when I see these

01:12:26.220 crypto grifters,

01:12:27.200 or David Sachs as

01:12:28.260 a crypto czar with

01:12:29.080 all these business

01:12:30.100 interests,

01:12:30.900 it's so frustrating

01:12:32.280 to see them just

01:12:32.820 milk regular

01:12:34.220 people dry on

01:12:35.200 crypto,

01:12:38.000 and then every

01:12:39.400 sports thing you

01:12:40.120 watch is 500

01:12:41.000 gambling ads,

01:12:43.300 I don't know,

01:12:44.400 yeah,

01:12:44.680 sorry,

01:12:45.040 I went on a

01:12:45.620 rant there,

01:12:46.040 those two things

01:12:46.880 actually I'm very

01:12:47.400 passionate about

01:12:47.860 because I don't

01:12:48.880 see the upside,

01:12:49.620 I really don't,

01:12:50.100 I don't see who's

01:12:50.620 benefiting outside

01:12:51.480 of,

01:12:53.020 you know,

01:12:53.280 putting a casino

01:12:53.760 in everybody's

01:12:54.160 pocket is just

01:12:54.760 a stupid idea.

01:12:56.940 No,

01:12:57.200 look,

01:12:57.480 I mean I'm

01:12:58.060 dealing with my

01:12:58.960 son right now,

01:12:59.740 that 13 year old

01:13:00.780 is like,

01:13:01.280 why are you

01:13:02.660 working,

01:13:03.000 you know,

01:13:03.460 you're such a

01:13:03.980 loser,

01:13:04.740 you only make

01:13:06.260 170 grand a

01:13:07.880 year as

01:13:08.300 governor,

01:13:08.980 so pathetic,

01:13:09.760 you know,

01:13:09.940 I'm making,

01:13:10.500 I made,

01:13:11.020 you know,

01:13:11.160 50 bucks,

01:13:11.840 look at this,

01:13:12.400 15 minutes,

01:13:13.560 you know,

01:13:13.880 and look at what

01:13:14.540 now I'm down to

01:13:15.040 three bucks,

01:13:15.540 wait,

01:13:15.740 no,

01:13:15.900 I make 75,

01:13:16.860 like he literally

01:13:17.480 is like an

01:13:18.320 addict,

01:13:19.200 waking up at

01:13:19.900 late at night,

01:13:20.440 give me the

01:13:20.740 phone,

01:13:20.980 give me the

01:13:21.240 phone,

01:13:21.380 just one second

01:13:21.980 to see if

01:13:22.800 he's up,

01:13:23.100 check stocks,

01:13:23.580 $3 or,

01:13:24.280 on Robinhood,

01:13:25.080 a hundred percent,

01:13:26.260 damn,

01:13:26.640 that is what's

01:13:27.220 happening,

01:13:28.020 and that idea of

01:13:29.140 like,

01:13:29.720 why the hell

01:13:30.320 would I work,

01:13:30.920 why would I add

01:13:31.540 up my money

01:13:32.180 over 30 years?

01:13:33.160 No,

01:13:33.320 he thinks I'm the

01:13:33.900 biggest idiot in

01:13:34.860 the world,

01:13:35.480 yeah,

01:13:35.800 yeah,

01:13:36.240 that's what I've

01:13:37.160 seen all the

01:13:37.840 time,

01:13:38.000 you know,

01:13:38.160 I talk finances

01:13:38.880 to my audience

01:13:39.520 a lot,

01:13:39.760 it's a big part

01:13:40.180 of my content,

01:13:40.600 business and

01:13:41.040 finances,

01:13:41.980 and man,

01:13:43.440 they just,

01:13:44.000 they're being fed

01:13:44.820 this idea that

01:13:45.500 like,

01:13:46.380 saving money is

01:13:47.500 stupid,

01:13:48.620 it's stupid,

01:13:49.220 it'll never work,

01:13:50.020 inflation's gonna

01:13:50.480 eat that away,

01:13:51.040 you have to take

01:13:51.920 these high risk

01:13:52.480 bets,

01:13:53.000 but they don't

01:13:53.620 frame them as

01:13:54.000 high risk,

01:13:54.360 they frame them

01:13:54.780 as guarantees,

01:13:55.460 they frame them

01:13:55.860 I made the

01:13:56.920 mistake of

01:13:57.580 buying,

01:13:59.180 getting YouTube

01:14:00.440 videos of

01:14:01.000 Warren Buffett

01:14:01.660 bored,

01:14:02.180 he was bored,

01:14:03.200 getting him

01:14:03.760 coloring books

01:14:05.100 that are versions

01:14:05.780 of Warren Buffett's

01:14:06.760 lessons,

01:14:07.340 he's like,

01:14:07.700 who's Warren Buffett?

01:14:08.600 Who's the old guy?

01:14:09.220 Yeah,

01:14:09.420 who is this guy?

01:14:10.260 What the hell

01:14:11.020 is he know?

01:14:12.100 There's this dude

01:14:13.100 that's online,

01:14:14.080 man,

01:14:14.400 that just told me,

01:14:15.160 like literally,

01:14:15.800 I don't even remember

01:14:16.460 who his financial

01:14:17.300 advisor is,

01:14:18.260 but he's some guy,

01:14:19.020 like literally

01:14:19.460 some YouTube guy

01:14:20.360 that is,

01:14:21.600 luckily,

01:14:24.240 we only have

01:14:24.640 a thousand bucks

01:14:25.340 that he's been

01:14:25.820 able to say,

01:14:26.680 so we'll survive

01:14:28.020 his lesson,

01:14:29.040 but hopefully

01:14:29.360 I'll have an early

01:14:29.900 lesson.

01:14:30.700 Look,

01:14:31.060 I appreciate

01:14:31.680 the lesson

01:14:32.520 though you're

01:14:33.120 trying to preach

01:14:34.000 here,

01:14:34.300 at least express,

01:14:35.640 is a deeper

01:14:36.420 understanding

01:14:36.940 of these more

01:14:37.480 systemic issues,

01:14:38.700 and that we can

01:14:39.220 get caught up

01:14:39.880 in finding

01:14:40.880 scapegoats,

01:14:41.660 we can get caught

01:14:42.260 up in finding

01:14:42.880 conspiracy theories

01:14:43.900 that are just

01:14:44.720 the easy out,

01:14:45.620 and as you suggest,

01:14:46.520 I mean,

01:14:46.700 if the oversight,

01:14:47.600 if the lessons

01:14:48.180 on what is

01:14:50.780 alleged to have

01:14:51.600 occurred with

01:14:52.820 this tragedy

01:14:53.400 with Charlie Kirk

01:14:54.220 is to then

01:14:56.500 haul up people

01:14:57.600 on Discord

01:14:58.180 and the CEOs

01:14:59.520 of Twitch

01:15:00.080 and all of these

01:15:01.240 things,

01:15:01.620 we're missing

01:15:02.220 a deeper,

01:15:03.160 deeper point.

01:15:03.680 I think it's

01:15:04.880 a massive wrong

01:15:06.160 direction that is

01:15:07.300 just going to

01:15:08.180 lead to more

01:15:09.580 of what we're

01:15:09.920 already seeing,

01:15:10.440 more spiraling,

01:15:11.260 more anger,

01:15:11.940 more feel like the

01:15:12.420 politicians don't

01:15:12.960 hear the voice,

01:15:13.580 don't understand.

01:15:16.160 You know,

01:15:16.660 if they want to

01:15:17.120 haul up these CEOs

01:15:17.920 and ask them about

01:15:18.740 how the platforms

01:15:20.120 work,

01:15:20.700 get a better

01:15:21.220 understanding,

01:15:21.680 that's sure,

01:15:22.000 but if they're

01:15:22.760 there to like

01:15:23.200 point the finger

01:15:23.840 that Discord

01:15:24.540 caused this

01:15:25.280 or Twitch

01:15:26.540 caused this,

01:15:27.400 it's,

01:15:28.320 I just,

01:15:29.040 I promise you

01:15:29.820 it's absurd,

01:15:30.400 I promise you,

01:15:31.220 it will change

01:15:32.240 nothing.

01:15:34.000 They'll go,

01:15:34.680 they'll go,

01:15:35.100 they'll go deeper

01:15:35.580 into the internet,

01:15:36.140 they'll just burrow

01:15:36.940 deeper somewhere else.

01:15:37.960 These are relatively

01:15:39.380 safe,

01:15:39.880 moderated platforms,

01:15:40.740 these are not

01:15:41.340 the problem.

01:15:41.940 This is,

01:15:42.920 it's just people

01:15:43.640 using the internet

01:15:44.220 to try and find

01:15:45.260 connection where

01:15:45.880 they can't find

01:15:46.540 it in real life

01:15:47.080 because there's,

01:15:47.780 there's not

01:15:48.300 opportunities.

01:15:48.800 Lemonade Stand,

01:15:52.520 what's the,

01:15:53.040 what's the goal

01:15:53.640 with the podcast?

01:15:54.700 Is it,

01:15:55.040 is it to illuminate

01:15:56.180 an entrepreneurial

01:15:56.800 mindset,

01:15:57.580 the notion of

01:15:58.140 a lemonade stand?

01:15:59.340 Many of our

01:16:00.060 first business

01:16:01.080 experiences was

01:16:02.420 selling lemonade,

01:16:03.560 differentiating our

01:16:04.400 brand,

01:16:05.120 decommoditizing a

01:16:06.180 commodity,

01:16:07.080 selling it for an

01:16:07.920 extra five cents,

01:16:08.820 25 cents,

01:16:09.940 or,

01:16:10.300 you know,

01:16:10.620 fresh lemonade

01:16:11.260 versus the sugar

01:16:12.180 version.

01:16:13.340 What's,

01:16:13.920 what's the idea

01:16:14.820 behind it?

01:16:15.420 Lemonade Stand's

01:16:15.880 our podcast.

01:16:16.720 It's myself,

01:16:17.720 my friend Aiden

01:16:18.860 and my friend Doug,

01:16:19.620 all of them

01:16:19.940 are content creators.

01:16:20.700 Doug,

01:16:20.820 Doug.

01:16:21.220 Doug,

01:16:21.440 Doug.

01:16:21.860 You know,

01:16:22.420 you've done your

01:16:22.620 homework.

01:16:22.860 Come on,

01:16:23.020 buddy.

01:16:23.960 And the idea

01:16:25.180 was we are

01:16:25.720 three guys

01:16:26.220 who are only

01:16:26.720 qualified to run

01:16:27.480 a lemonade stand.

01:16:28.160 We're not,

01:16:28.580 we're not bringing

01:16:29.280 deep expertise here.

01:16:30.520 We have business

01:16:31.100 backgrounds.

01:16:31.640 We have,

01:16:32.540 you know,

01:16:33.400 backgrounds of our

01:16:33.900 own.

01:16:34.140 We've started

01:16:34.620 these media,

01:16:35.560 these small media

01:16:36.160 companies,

01:16:36.680 but really we're,

01:16:37.680 we are just going

01:16:38.040 to do our best

01:16:38.560 to understand

01:16:40.100 and read about

01:16:40.520 what's going on

01:16:41.160 and present it

01:16:41.980 in a way

01:16:42.340 with the lingo

01:16:42.980 and the slang

01:16:43.680 and the,

01:16:44.120 of what this

01:16:45.620 audience wants

01:16:46.340 to hear it in.

01:16:46.940 That's the idea.

01:16:47.680 We're not going

01:16:48.020 to be right

01:16:48.780 about everything,

01:16:49.380 but we're not

01:16:49.820 going to be

01:16:50.400 trying to sway you.

01:16:53.580 We're not going

01:16:53.840 to be trying,

01:16:54.360 we have no ulterior

01:16:55.320 motive.

01:16:55.740 We're just interested

01:16:56.600 in talking about it

01:16:58.140 with each other.

01:16:59.100 I love it.

01:16:59.720 Well,

01:16:59.900 it was fun to talk

01:17:01.000 about everything

01:17:01.700 we just talked

01:17:02.340 about with each other.

01:17:03.200 I appreciate you

01:17:04.320 bringing your authentic

01:17:05.160 voice and perspective

01:17:06.140 on this.

01:17:06.920 And I also appreciate

01:17:07.600 your stubbornness

01:17:08.380 on pay attention

01:17:09.740 to the thing

01:17:10.400 that is the thing

01:17:11.280 that explains

01:17:12.100 all of the other

01:17:13.220 things.

01:17:14.120 And that are

01:17:14.740 these sort of

01:17:15.340 tectonic plates

01:17:16.640 of wealth

01:17:17.180 and income

01:17:18.160 inequality

01:17:18.900 that are growing

01:17:20.320 and growing

01:17:20.960 in a divide

01:17:21.700 that is not

01:17:23.000 just a political

01:17:23.640 divide,

01:17:24.440 that is a societal

01:17:25.360 divide unless

01:17:26.120 we address,

01:17:27.440 forget which party

01:17:28.900 you're associated

01:17:30.080 with,

01:17:30.800 but the whole fabric

01:17:31.780 of our society

01:17:32.520 is going to

01:17:32.900 fray apart.

01:17:34.020 Adruk,

01:17:34.380 thanks for being

01:17:35.440 with us.

01:17:35.960 Thank you.

01:17:36.580 Thank you.

01:17:42.500 I'm Jorge Ramos.

01:17:44.120 And I'm Paola Ramos.

01:17:45.600 Together we're launching

01:17:46.560 The Moment,

01:17:47.780 a new podcast

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01:17:51.240 as this one.

01:17:52.640 We sit down

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01:17:59.380 The Moment is a space

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01:18:12.420 Hey, I'm Jay Shetty

01:18:14.080 and I'm the host

01:18:15.120 of the On Purpose podcast.

01:18:17.260 Today, I'm joined

01:18:18.460 by Emma Watson.

01:18:20.260 Emma Watson

01:18:20.760 has apparently

01:18:21.460 quit acting.

01:18:22.600 Emma Watson

01:18:23.140 has announced

01:18:23.540 she's retiring

01:18:24.140 from acting.

01:18:24.860 Has anyone else

01:18:25.660 noticed that we

01:18:26.160 haven't seen

01:18:26.540 Emma Watson

01:18:27.080 in anything

01:18:27.580 in several years?

01:18:29.000 Emma Watson

01:18:29.560 is opening up

01:18:30.340 the truth

01:18:30.860 behind her

01:18:31.480 five-year break

01:18:32.380 from acting.

01:18:33.400 Watson said

01:18:33.940 she wasn't

01:18:34.440 very happy.

01:18:35.960 Listen to

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01:18:38.000 on the iHeartRadio app,

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01:18:45.400 The murder

01:18:46.360 of an 18-year-old girl

01:18:47.920 in Graves County, Kentucky

01:18:49.520 went unsolved

01:18:50.980 for years

01:18:51.920 until a local housewife,

01:18:54.420 a journalist,

01:18:55.340 and a handful of girls

01:18:56.460 came forward

01:18:57.860 with a story.

01:18:59.300 America,

01:18:59.800 y'all better

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01:19:01.380 Bad things

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01:19:24.720 And here's Heather

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01:19:26.760 Well, it's beautiful

01:19:27.640 out there,

01:19:28.460 sunny and 75,

01:19:30.000 almost a little

01:19:30.940 chilly in the shade.

01:19:32.160 Now, let's get a read

01:19:33.540 on the inside

01:19:34.500 of your car.

01:19:35.640 It is hot.

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01:19:41.420 Let's not leave

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01:19:44.220 It only takes

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01:19:49.360 Cars get hot

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01:19:51.980 Never leave a child

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01:19:53.480 A message from

01:19:54.020 NHTSA and the Ad Council.

01:19:54.920 I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman,

01:19:57.580 host of the

01:19:58.120 Psychology Podcast.

01:19:59.420 Here's a clip

01:19:59.920 from an upcoming

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01:20:03.380 When you think about

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01:20:05.300 you're not going to

01:20:06.020 choose an adaptive

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01:20:09.740 to use

01:20:10.560 unless you think

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01:20:12.220 Avoidance is easier,

01:20:13.620 ignoring is easier,

01:20:15.060 denial is easier,

01:20:16.260 complex problem solving

01:20:17.560 takes effort.

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