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00:02:39.100 This is Gavin Newsom.

00:02:50.980 And this is Senator Amy Klobuchar.

00:02:53.280 First of all, I'm really happy that you're here because I want folks to appreciate, Senator Klobuchar, the fact that you are one of the most productive.

00:03:05.880 You're the face of productivity.

00:03:08.220 A politician that not only gets it.

00:03:10.600 So relative.

00:03:11.760 Okay.

00:03:12.100 But gets things done.

00:03:13.260 I mean, it is remarkable.

00:03:14.680 You look at so many people in the Senate and you just, you feel like, you know, it's a club and obviously it's, you know, it's, there's a lot of status.

00:03:23.660 But you're often not necessarily affirmed that there's a lot of progress being made.

00:03:28.880 But you are able to lay claim to a lot of progress, including just yesterday, President Trump signed a bill, the Take It Down Act, a bipartisan bill that you and Ted Cruz co-sponsored.

00:03:42.100 Tell me more about it.

00:03:42.880 So this came out of, which I know you're familiar with all this, but just what's going on in the Internet right now where there's no rules and you've got a non-consensual and AI-created porn.

00:03:54.360 And one year, this is FBI stats, there were over 20 suicides of kids.

00:04:00.280 They are courting a girlfriend or a boyfriend.

00:04:02.980 They send a photo and then that photo goes all over their schools or there's some kind of threat or, you know, asking for money and they think their life is over and they actually take their own lives.

00:04:13.520 So Senator Cruz and I, he is the chair of the Commerce Committee right now, we joined forces and introduced this bill called the Take It Down Act.

00:04:23.320 It simply says the platforms have to take down these images, non-consensual images in 48 hours and then creates criminal liability on the people that put them on or extends criminal liability.

00:04:35.260 So we got that through the Senate, but then we were stopped at the end of the year.

00:04:40.780 It was part of a bigger bill.

00:04:42.540 And at the inaugural lunch, as you're aware, Governor, I chaired the inauguration, something I took on before we knew who won.

00:04:49.300 And I brought up to the president and the first lady this bill.

00:04:55.040 And I said, this is a bill that, you know, would fit in first lady with some of the work you're doing. 0.97

00:05:00.740 And three days later, her office called ours and then she really helped to get it through the House and it got signed into law.

00:05:10.000 I love that.

00:05:10.820 I mean, and so a couple of things just to reflect on.

00:05:13.700 And I want to go back to the inaugural because people were, I think a lot of folks wondering, why is Senator Klobuchar kicking off the inaugural festivities?

00:05:21.900 And we'll talk about your unique role in that respect.

00:05:24.820 But how about just the role of bipartisanship, the role you played and the role, it sounds like the first lady played, but also Senator Cruz. 0.87

00:05:32.200 Is it, I mean, is this is an anomalous?

00:05:34.600 Is this something to be hopeful about?

00:05:37.260 Is this one off?

00:05:38.600 I mean, what's your sense?

00:05:40.320 Is there, was there incentives for good behavior?

00:05:42.900 Have you gotten criticized for working on the other side?

00:05:46.660 I think, first of all, I've always believed in working with people you don't always agree with, that courage isn't just standing by yourself.

00:05:53.260 Courage is whether you're going to stand next to someone you don't always agree with for the betterment of this country.

00:05:58.400 And I have done that in the Senate, working with everyone from Josh Hawley on antitrust issues to Chuck Grassley on biofuels.

00:06:08.560 I mean, you could just go on.

00:06:09.700 And, however, I do think the president, this incident aside, where we were able to work on this bill with him, when the rhetoric and the things that are said makes it harder to function bipartisan because he will go after people if they don't do exactly what he wants.

00:06:28.040 And it's all part of how he's doing this.

00:06:30.640 So, you know, in this case, I guess we got we got an exception.

00:06:34.760 They like this bill.

00:06:35.720 But I do think it makes it harder.

00:06:37.500 And my goal in life is to do what's best for the country.

00:06:40.300 And as you know, sometimes you take grief when you work with people or take positions that not everyone agrees with.

00:06:47.620 But I do think that we need more of that, not less of it, when it comes to governing right now.

00:06:54.700 So I'm glad the bill got passed into law.

00:06:58.400 I continue to, like most many Americans, you know, wake up every day and think, what did he do now?

00:07:04.400 He just fired the congressional librarian, he's getting these Medicaid cuts, he's moving us backwards on clean energy, all these things that I think that actually gives our country a cutting edge medical research, we should be moving forward.

00:07:18.480 So, but despite all that, I will continue to do what I think is best.

00:07:22.840 And if there's a way to do things from permitting reform on where we can get things moving better, I'm game to working with Republicans.

00:07:30.480 Love all that. I want to touch on all those things, but let me go back just a little bit to the origin story on how you were able to sort of smooth this bill over.

00:07:39.020 I love that you said it was at the lunch and it was just engaging on the personal where the first lady actually followed up, took you, took very seriously your request to engage a few days later.

00:07:51.360 But let's take us back to that inaugural.

00:07:53.320 I mean, that was, that's an interesting aside.

00:07:55.920 But what was the most striking part of that?

00:07:58.020 You were there, you're the chair of a joint committee.

00:08:00.820 A bipartisan committee in Congress that's related to the inaugural.

00:08:05.420 Maybe you could talk a little bit about that role, but that role led you to give a little speech, remarks about enduring democracy, et cetera.

00:08:12.880 I'm curious, though, what enduring memories do you have around those inaugural facilities?

00:08:18.280 Can't reveal it all on your podcast.

00:08:20.260 Have to save some of it.

00:08:21.400 But, you know, it started out in the White House and I, with everyone, with the president at the time, President Biden and Vice President Harris.

00:08:30.720 And then, of course, the Vance's and the Trump's, the Speaker of the House, Senator Schumer, you name it.

00:08:38.600 So everyone's there.

00:08:39.620 And then we divide into cars.

00:08:42.040 And this is a tradition.

00:08:43.740 And I will still go down in American history as the only person who has ever ridden in a car alone with Donald Trump and Joe Biden for about 20 minutes.

00:08:54.680 One day I'll reveal that conversation was quite talkative.

00:08:59.100 We I brought up the fires in California.

00:09:01.520 Thank you.

00:09:02.280 I will say that that was one of my plans to do because I knew that the that President Trump was going out there and President Biden had been there.

00:09:11.240 So I thought, OK, here's a common ground moment with the firefighters and the like.

00:09:16.380 And we talked about many other things as well.

00:09:19.120 And it was a very vibrant conversation.

00:09:22.660 And then I spent the day, the inauguration and the like, and it's ends with the ended with that lunch.

00:09:30.380 But I had my four minutes and I decided I wrote every word myself and I said, I want this to meet the test of time because I knew what was coming at us.

00:09:38.920 The assaults on the rule of law, the economic uncertainty.

00:09:44.500 And so what I said were these three things.

00:09:46.840 Number one, our democracy is a hot mess.

00:09:48.760 It always has been.

00:09:49.700 But it's our democracy.

00:09:51.320 And, you know, we must be as leaders.

00:09:54.300 And I meant every person in their own neighborhood or whatever they do.

00:09:59.300 We've got to be the shelter in the storm and protect that democracy.

00:10:02.580 Now, that's a Bob Dylan quote, Gavin.

00:10:05.220 He is from Minnesota.

00:10:06.320 And just a little Hollywood moment, I liked a complete unknown.

00:10:10.720 I thought it should have won the Academy Award.

00:10:12.620 I'm going to weigh in on that right now.

00:10:14.060 OK, but I didn't say that at the inauguration.

00:10:17.080 OK, but I did say that.

00:10:18.480 Regrets.

00:10:18.880 Regrets.

00:10:19.780 Or, yeah.

00:10:20.380 Secondly, that that presidential inauguration in other countries, it's held in a presidential palace or executive office building.

00:10:28.260 In our country, it's held in the people's house for a reason. 0.82

00:10:31.240 And that's because we have three equal branches of government under the Constitution.

00:10:36.040 And all nine justices were there.

00:10:38.200 Maybe a show of force are usually not all there.

00:10:40.500 They all RSVP'd when it was outside.

00:10:42.600 I knew the list.

00:10:44.240 And we had the Congress there.

00:10:47.380 And we're still waiting for some of the Republicans in Congress to stand up.

00:10:51.340 We only need four of them to stand up against, say, Medicaid cuts.

00:10:54.880 The third thing and final thing was just that the power in that rotunda, despite all the billionaires that were in there, it did not come from in that rotunda.

00:11:03.020 From a freshman member of Congress to the president of the United States, it came from outside of the rotunda.

00:11:09.080 And to me, when you see people standing up, yes, activists, people who are angry, but you also see the quiet voices now of farmers, soybean farmers in the middle of Minnesota,

00:11:19.220 who show up at a town hall, find themselves seated next to a woman who's holding a sign, I was there, this happened, that says this is not normal, looks at her, which is a common sign people are holding now at rallies, Democrats.

00:11:32.480 And he says to her, what do you mean by that?

00:11:34.380 And she said, well, this isn't normal what's happening.

00:11:36.600 Well, I'm normal.

00:11:37.420 She goes, no, I know you're normal.

00:11:38.580 The reason I raise that story is the quiet voices, the people that don't usually show up, the fact that they're standing up right now and feel like they must talk to their governor or their senator or their mayor or their congress member, that matters.

00:11:55.460 And we've got to keep that part of democracy alive and strong.

00:11:58.660 I love that.

00:12:00.140 And look, you talk about this notion of co-equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, the rule of law, the best of Roman Republic and Greek democracy, the founding father's vision being tested, the rule of law, this notion of the constitutional crisis that some have attached, at least as a tagline to this moment.

00:12:22.680 What's your over under?

00:12:23.760 I mean, where do you think we are on the basis of that speech, this notion of an enduring democracy?

00:12:29.200 Has that been vandalized even more acutely than you even imagined 100 plus days ago?

00:12:35.300 Yes.

00:12:35.740 And it's not like we didn't expect bad things to happen, given who some of the nominees were for some of the justice jobs, given that we had seen what he'd done before.

00:12:45.120 And certainly January 6th, I also was there with President Biden and Roy Blunt when that all happened the day of January 6th.

00:12:53.760 Was, you know, Mike Pence and me and Blunt walking down that pathway to the House, walking over broken glass at three in the morning with the last of the electoral ballots, including California's in that box.

00:13:08.920 So I knew that.

00:13:09.920 And then we were with Biden on the stage.

00:13:11.720 That aside, I didn't predict they would go this far with, you know, just dismantling USAID, dismantling people's hopes and dreams with all kinds of cuts and things they've done on cancer research and the like.

00:13:26.860 Their willingness to even just take on independent bodies like the Consumer Protection Agency, which recalled 150 million bad products and saved Americans from lead poisoning and dangerous pool drains and the like.

00:13:41.900 Just their willingness and the president's willingness to bully people and whether it's journalists or universities and then the other flip side of it.

00:13:52.340 Now I'm going to get to my silver lining here is just that the courts have been standing up over 200 times with judges appointed by Bush and by Trump himself and by Reagan.

00:14:05.520 And I didn't even know those judges were still out there, but they are and they and they, along with the Democratic appointed judges, have been making courageous decisions.

00:14:13.500 So that is a pushback.

00:14:15.820 So that's why some people say we're in a crisis.

00:14:18.460 I'm just a little more saying when I look at the Civil War, OK, that was a great that was a constitutional crisis.

00:14:23.720 To me, we're in a starting to be in an economic crisis if this continues, but we are closer to a constitutional crisis.

00:14:31.840 But to me, it hasn't arrived yet because of what the judge is doing their jobs.

00:14:36.480 The fact that while they are defying, the administration is defying some of these rulings for sure.

00:14:42.080 And that is going to be decided in the near future.

00:14:44.860 They are following some of them.

00:14:46.980 They just seem to pick and choose which ones they don't like.

00:14:49.720 So all of that, it doesn't make it feel better, but it makes it to me like you just can't give up the fight.

00:14:56.720 It's made a difference.

00:14:57.700 I started the first weekend after that inauguration.

00:15:00.360 I found myself at the container store in suburban Minneapolis.

00:15:05.180 And I had this cart and I had all these like Marie Kondo like plastic things because I decided I was going to reorganize my coffees and teas.

00:15:13.780 And the stranger comes up and goes, Senator, I know why you're here.

00:15:16.740 And I go, well, I just it's Saturday morning.

00:15:18.440 I just I'm going to organize my kitchen.

00:15:20.760 She goes, no, you're here because you feel like your life is out of control in your job in Washington.

00:15:25.500 And you're trying to control things you're doing.

00:15:28.640 And I went there two other times and then I got to work.

00:15:31.500 So the point is, is that we have all been through this.

00:15:34.380 But the answer, when you look at some of these court decisions, when you look at some of the Republicans who've been so timid.

00:15:40.820 But when you look at what they're starting to say on Medicaid, that if you give up now, it's the worst.

00:15:46.640 The citizens standing up, calling, emailing, yelling.

00:15:50.000 I mean, it has made a difference.

00:15:51.640 So I just I and those quiet voices have just as much.

00:15:55.140 I love that. And by the way, I've been I've been to the container store a few times myself.

00:16:00.800 And perhaps you've just I thought I was simply organizing.

00:16:04.540 So I think it's a deeper, deeper reason.

00:16:06.820 You may be right.

00:16:07.800 So one thing we can control, right?

00:16:09.800 Control the controllables.

00:16:11.080 But let me go back.

00:16:12.040 You talked about this.

00:16:13.040 We sort of challenged and I appreciate your point of view on this, whether or not we're in a constitutional crisis, the issues around rule of law.

00:16:19.960 But you did imply and you've been very vocal on this and I'm really grateful you've been one of the leading voices, keeping the focus and the attention and not getting distracted on the fundamental issue of these tariffs, which I personally believe he has no legal authority.

00:16:36.380 And, of course, California filed a lawsuit along those lines, a dozen other states joining that under the International Economic Emergency Powers Act.

00:16:44.480 But the question of the tariffs, it's remarkable to me how, you know, that's it's it's still dominant in our lives, but not necessarily in the media in the last week or so.

00:16:57.560 Back to this notion of, you know, I guess we can get to the big, beautiful bill.

00:17:01.300 We can get to this notion of distractions, et cetera.

00:17:04.220 But the impacts you've highlighted, the impacts of these tariffs that continue to this day, 30 percent in China, obviously tariffs to our big trading partners, north and south.

00:17:14.480 In Canada and in Mexico, but impact to small businesses.

00:17:18.480 And you've called it out in your own state and you're seeing a state of anxiety and uncertainty all across the United States.

00:17:25.520 Is that fair or unfair, overstated, understated?

00:17:28.840 No. And it is to me the driving problem right now with the economics.

00:17:34.440 And I want to thank you for bringing that suit and showing such leadership on this front, especially with your major economy, the fourth biggest in the.

00:17:43.320 I'm glad you and the world, Senator.

00:17:45.840 I appreciate it.

00:17:46.500 Very good.

00:17:46.780 4.1 trillion.

00:17:48.200 We love to brag about that.

00:17:49.980 But watch India. 0.53

00:17:51.720 They're right behind us.

00:17:52.700 I worry a little we may slip.

00:17:54.700 So when you look at the tariffs, we've always had targeted tariffs.

00:17:58.780 I've supported some of these for like with iron ore is mined up in northern Minnesota.

00:18:04.040 And when China does illegal steel dumping, it's a huge problem.

00:18:07.800 And this was something Barack Obama put in.

00:18:10.880 Trump continued in the first administration.

00:18:12.840 Biden continued.

00:18:13.900 But now he has put this into across the board tariffs involving some of our closest allies, our closest allies in the world.

00:18:21.100 So in Minnesota, you know, we can see Canada from our porch like they are our biggest trading partner.

00:18:28.100 They eclipse the next few together.

00:18:30.120 And this is very damaging for building materials, for homes, for you look at some of the fertilizer and things like that.

00:18:39.720 Our soybean market in China is huge.

00:18:42.000 And while he reduced those tariffs, they're still at an inordinately high level as opposed to using the clout of the United States of America,

00:18:50.460 this incredible economy to negotiate more targeted things.

00:18:55.060 And that is not how he's done things.

00:18:56.780 And he's pushing China more into the arms of Russia. 0.77

00:19:01.260 And then China is advertising.

00:19:03.340 You've probably seen their ad in English to other countries say, hey, do business with us,

00:19:08.020 because we have decided to put these tariffs on countries like South Korea and Japan and Europe.

00:19:14.820 All of them have been major, major partners for us in, yes, in the economy, but also in security.

00:19:21.240 So the effect small business owner, a place called Busy Baby.

00:19:25.020 My husband thought it was Lazy Baby.

00:19:26.560 I know it's Busy Baby.

00:19:27.820 Busy Baby.

00:19:28.660 She started this Entrepreneur of the Year, honored by Trump's Small Business Administration.

00:19:34.120 Yes, you can't make it up.

00:19:35.080 And she can't do her business with these tariffs. 0.96

00:19:38.820 She doesn't have the phone number of the White House.

00:19:41.760 She's not like a major CEO that can waltz in there and say, hey, can we get an exception for our products? 1.00

00:19:47.620 More power to them, okay.

00:19:49.120 But she doesn't have the ability.

00:19:50.740 She's not invited by the Treasury Secretary to J.P. Morgan to go into the meeting in New York City.

00:19:56.160 She doesn't know what's going to happen.

00:19:57.980 So it also creates an inequity in the economy where these small businesses that have been just incredibly important to the next big development.

00:20:07.840 I look in Minnesota, Target started as a dry goods store and 3M started up in this little place in Duluth.

00:20:15.980 I mean, these companies start small a lot of the time.

00:20:19.820 And then we're just messing around with capitalism is what he's doing.

00:20:24.540 He's trying to do like a controlled economy from the White House instead of allowing capitalism to unleash the kind of new ideas that we've seen.

00:20:34.280 What happens when we come face to face with death?

00:20:40.400 My truck was blown up by a 20-pound anti-tank mine.

00:20:43.680 My parachute did not deploy.

00:20:46.220 I was kidnapped by a Druckertill. 0.99

00:20:48.940 I just remember everything getting dark.

00:20:52.220 I'm dying.

00:20:53.060 When we step beyond the edge of what we know.

00:20:56.240 To open our consciousness to something more than just what's in that Western box.

00:21:01.220 And we turn.

00:21:02.520 I clinically died.

00:21:04.100 The heart stopped beating.

00:21:05.060 Which I was dead for 11.5 minutes.

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00:21:39.740 Diddy's former protege, television personality, platinum-selling artist, Danity King alum, Aubrey O'Day,

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00:21:58.860 Some people saw that you were going to be in New York, and they immediately started jumping to conclusions.

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00:22:46.800 It's a harder one to answer.

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00:22:52.640 All of May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and on the Psychology of Your 20s podcast,

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00:23:16.700 I spent the majority of my teenage years and my 20s just feeling absolutely terrified.

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00:23:40.460 The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network,

00:23:48.240 hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.

00:23:54.000 This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else.

00:23:58.280 Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser-known histories of the West.

00:24:02.680 I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams

00:24:08.540 and best-selling author and meat-eater founder Stephen Rinella.

00:24:13.020 I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say when cave people were here.

00:24:16.760 And I'll say, it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves.

00:24:21.560 So join me starting Tuesday, May 6th, where we'll delve into stories of the West

00:24:27.320 and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.

00:24:34.180 Listen to the American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:24:41.800 I'm Clayton English.

00:24:43.140 I'm Greg Glod.

00:24:43.800 And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs Podcast.

00:24:46.380 Yes, sir. We are back.

00:24:47.460 In a big way.

00:24:48.280 In a very big way.

00:24:49.320 Like, real people, real perspectives.

00:24:51.720 This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man.

00:24:53.900 We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.

00:24:57.440 It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.

00:25:03.220 Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne.

00:25:07.160 We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug fan.

00:25:12.700 Benny the Butcher.

00:25:13.880 Brent Smith from Shinedown.

00:25:15.240 We got Be Real from Cypress Hill.

00:25:17.040 NHL enforcer Riley Cote.

00:25:19.320 Marine Corvette.

00:25:20.560 MMA fighter.

00:25:21.640 Liz Karamouche.

00:25:22.660 What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things.

00:25:25.640 Stories matter, and it brings a face to it.

00:25:27.820 It makes it real.

00:25:28.600 It really does.

00:25:29.640 It makes it real.

00:25:31.140 Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs Podcast Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:25:38.900 And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.

00:25:46.420 And Senator, you know what's most insidious, and I love that you brought her up.

00:25:59.720 We had the opportunity to visit with her on the podcast, and she talked about how she was inspired by her newborn, and now she has to look them in the eye and say, honey, we may not only lose the business, we may lose our home.

00:26:13.920 Because she's leveraged her home in the mortgage to get a line of credit because she just made a deal with, you referenced Target, and Walmart to expand the business. 0.79

00:26:23.920 And now her house is on the line, not just her business, in her future.

00:26:28.520 And looking her kid in the eyes and having him tell them that, it's so important to highlight those stories and to highlight that example.

00:26:39.500 It's like the roadkill in this thing.

00:26:41.940 Because the bigger companies I'm also concerned about, honestly, they're a big part of our economy.

00:26:46.540 We have in Minnesota like 15, 16 Fortune 500 companies.

00:26:50.360 And a lot of them do work overseas and a lot of ag companies and the like.

00:26:55.840 But these little companies are just going to be roadkill because they don't have the margins, as you just pointed out, about this woman leveraging her home. 1.00

00:27:04.280 Or as I mentioned, the soybean farmer.

00:27:06.300 They already lost a bunch of their market to Brazil during the last Trump tariffs.

00:27:11.240 And now they've gone down to like 20% of that total soybean market in China.

00:27:16.220 And now they're going to go even less.

00:27:17.520 So I just, he inherited an economy that we know there was inflation.

00:27:23.240 We should never embrace the status quo.

00:27:25.560 There's so much more we need to do.

00:27:27.520 I mentioned permitting, housing, childcare, all these things.

00:27:31.200 But he's now just dragging us the other way.

00:27:34.000 I mean, costs are up.

00:27:35.300 Chaos is up.

00:27:36.160 Corruption is up.

00:27:37.020 And sadly, your 401ks are down.

00:27:40.840 And the economy's down.

00:27:43.160 And this is just small businesses.

00:27:44.820 I've lost 300,000 employees since the beginning of the year.

00:27:48.840 This is just not the direction we should be going.

00:27:51.460 No, I appreciate that.

00:27:53.100 And we, I mean, it's been said over and over again of, you know, headlines in The Economist, headlines in The Wall Street Journal.

00:27:59.960 The envy of the world, the United States, America's economy, despite inflation was beginning to cool, the economic output, growth, productivity, unemployment for women, African-Americans, lowest unemployment in 60 years.

00:28:12.420 And as you suggest, the economy now contracting 0.3 percent in Q1.

00:28:17.840 But I think the most interesting thing, and Senator, I'm curious your take on it, is this whole notion on the tariffs.

00:28:22.980 The predicate on the tariffs was small businesses don't pay.

00:28:26.480 We don't pay.

00:28:27.980 Walmart doesn't pay.

00:28:29.140 And then, out of nowhere, Trump this week says, wait, hold on, eat the tariffs, he says, to Walmart, which suggests perhaps someone does pay on the other side of the border, consumers and or businesses.

00:28:43.540 Which is it?

00:28:44.920 So, it is both, but $3,000 a family annually is going to be a tariff tax, a tariff tax, $3,000.

00:28:53.820 $3,000, strollers, 25 percent have gone up.

00:28:58.120 So, it's like a baby tax, but if you have a baby, but it's also a family tax.

00:29:03.020 And so, everyone's got to realize what's going on here, that consumers will pay, but our businesses will pay as well.

00:29:09.800 And it just sets us back in the rest of the international economy.

00:29:13.720 We should be building alliances.

00:29:15.920 We should be the security alliances that we built around standing up for democracy in Ukraine.

00:29:22.820 We, like, woke up from this slumber, I think our country did, woke up from the pandemic and said, wait a minute, we've got to get more secure relationships with some of these other countries.

00:29:34.060 And that also means economic relationships.

00:29:36.680 And he's just taking us backwards, hopefully not in Ukraine.

00:29:40.300 I hope that some peace will come out of this that will work for Ukraine.

00:29:43.940 But he's certainly taking us back economically.

00:29:46.940 And so, the one other point you raised, Governor, was just this destruction thing.

00:29:51.960 And it's so hard when you hear this, because he does some really bad things, I believe, so that no one will focus on the other things, like bright, shiny object.

00:30:02.620 About a week ago or so on a Friday, Stephen Miller brought up, works for Trump in the White House, brought up habeas corpus.

00:30:10.080 And so, I happened to be on a Sunday show after that.

00:30:13.680 So, he brings up habeas corpus, and the president has no power under the Constitution to take away people's rights to contest detention.

00:30:23.160 Okay.

00:30:23.620 But he brings this up.

00:30:24.620 He knows that.

00:30:25.700 So, then I'm on that Sunday show.

00:30:27.260 So, what do I get asked on Meet the Press?

00:30:29.160 I get asked about habeas corpus.

00:30:30.520 And I finally was able to say what I've always wanted to say, which is, he knows very well the president can't do that under the Constitution.

00:30:38.220 And Senator Barrasso, who'd been on before me on the same show, had said it's not on their agenda.

00:30:42.560 Well, it's not.

00:30:43.140 They're not going to spend weeks on this, and it's not going to pass anyway.

00:30:46.640 Many conservative commentators are against this.

00:30:49.760 So, I said, he brought it up, so you'd ask me about it right now instead of asking me about tariffs.

00:30:55.920 And I think that's a lot of what they do.

00:30:57.820 And as people who care about our rights and the world, we have to take stands and make clear where we stand on this.

00:31:04.700 But we cannot let people get fooled by them into spending their time screaming at the TV, and they can't even hear you anyway, or screaming at a podcast about things that when what really matters right now is that their budget, which we still have to get to,

00:31:22.180 is going to take 13.7 million people off of Medicaid and their health care, or it's going to raise the cost for 20 million, or that these tariffs are going to mess up our entire economy and the way we do business around the world and send us pell-mell down.

00:31:40.540 And I just think those points is what matters the most to people and what we, I just judge from this crazy place I work in, has the most chance of getting Republicans to say, wait a minute, because we already saw them do it on Canada.

00:31:54.080 Two senators bordering Canada, Murkowski and Collins, and then the two in Kentucky who never agree on anything, McConnell and Rand Paul, agreed with Tim Kaine and me that there was no emergency at the Canadian border.

00:32:07.240 And maybe they did it because of Kentucky bourbon, but I don't really care why.

00:32:11.080 I appreciate it. So let's contextualize. You talk about our kids, you talk about this tax cut, a tax increase, excuse me, with the tariffs, which are nothing more than a tax increase on, in a regressive tax that hurts low income and work and middle income Americans more than anyone else, but also a tax generationally as it relates to attacking working families in particular in the next generation.

00:32:35.780 But we have this Build Back Better, beautiful, whatever the heck they're calling it, the big, beautiful bill.

00:32:41.320 Trump is on the Hill. Trump was just, you may have seen him walk in the halls just seconds ago, Senator.

00:32:47.000 He's out there and he was just out there on press conference saying that, you know, do not, and dare I say, I'll say it.

00:32:55.380 He says he's don't quote unquote around with Medicaid, meaning he completely denies what you just suggested, that 13.7 million people may lose their Medicaid.

00:33:07.560 You suggest Democrats are suggesting that's not the case.

00:33:12.340 So this bill is truly a betrayal of the middle class.

00:33:15.520 There are so many things he could have done, right?

00:33:18.360 He could have increased taxes on billionaires and the biggest corporations.

00:33:22.380 Even you do a one point every 10 years brings in $150 billion on corporate tax.

00:33:29.400 And he could have gotten us to like a middle ground on that.

00:33:31.780 He didn't do any of that.

00:33:33.140 Instead, they added more tax cuts for the wealthiest and then to pay for it.

00:33:38.720 And that's why we call it the billionaire budget.

00:33:41.180 To pay for it, this is what they're looking at.

00:33:44.160 13.7 million people off Medicaid.

00:33:46.560 He may have said that in that session to them, but they just are voting out of the committee.

00:33:52.380 On a budget, that there is no other way, according to the Congressional Budget Office, that you can get to that point with where their cuts are.

00:34:00.500 What happens when we come face to face with death?

00:34:07.080 My truck was blown up by a 20-pound anti-tank mine.

00:34:09.860 My parachute did not deploy.

00:34:12.420 I was kidnapped by a drug cartel.

00:34:15.120 I just remember everything getting dark.

00:34:18.620 I'm dying.

00:34:20.100 We step beyond the edge of what we know.

00:34:22.260 To open our consciousness to something more than just what's in that Western box.

00:34:27.240 In return, I clinically died.

00:34:30.280 The heart stopped beating.

00:34:31.260 Which I was dead for 11.5 minutes.

00:34:33.720 My name is Dan Bush.

00:34:34.820 My mission is simple.

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00:34:41.060 You're strongest when you're the most vulnerable.

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00:35:03.680 Amy Robach and TJ Holmes here.

00:35:05.940 Diddy's former protege, television personality, platinum-selling artist, Danity King alum, Aubrey O'Day,

00:35:12.780 joins us to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation.

00:35:18.180 Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here.

00:35:20.620 You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place.

00:35:25.060 Some people saw that you were going to be in New York, and they immediately started jumping to conclusions.

00:35:30.240 So can you clear that up?

00:35:31.540 First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy trial?

00:35:34.820 Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge.

00:35:39.860 From her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star,

00:35:43.320 the truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.

00:35:46.600 It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real.

00:35:52.040 I went through things there.

00:35:54.620 Listen to Amy and TJ Presents, Aubrey O'Day, covering the Diddy trial on the iHeartRadio app,

00:36:00.720 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:36:03.580 I have a question for you, and I want you to be honest with me.

00:36:08.780 How are you?

00:36:10.780 It's a really hard question to ask.

00:36:13.000 It's a harder one to answer.

00:36:14.740 But taking care of our mental well-being has never been more important.

00:36:18.820 All of May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and on the Psychology of Your 20s podcast,

00:36:22.340 we are taking a vulnerable look at why mental health is so hard to talk about,

00:36:27.300 and all the science and psychology behind some of life's hardest moments and transitions.

00:36:32.400 Prepare for our conversations to go deep.

00:36:34.960 Everything from grief to heartbreak, career burnout, anxiety,

00:36:39.380 all of the things that you would only talk about with your closest friends.

00:36:42.500 I spent the majority of my teenage years and my 20s just feeling absolutely terrified.

00:36:48.560 I had a panic attack on a conference call.

00:36:51.000 Knowing that she had six months to live, I was no longer pretending that this was my best friend.

00:36:54.820 So this Mental Health Awareness Month, take that extra bit of care of yourself and your brain.

00:36:59.740 Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the iHeartRadio app,

00:37:03.960 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:37:06.640 The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network,

00:37:14.420 hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.

00:37:20.200 This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else.

00:37:24.480 Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser-known histories of the West.

00:37:28.880 I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams

00:37:34.660 and best-selling author and meat-eater founder, Stephen Rinella.

00:37:39.100 I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say when cave people were here.

00:37:42.940 And I'll say, it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves.

00:37:48.500 So join me starting Tuesday, May 6th, where we'll delve into stories of the West

00:37:53.500 and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.

00:37:59.900 Listen to the American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app,

00:38:04.500 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:38:08.020 I'm Clayton English.

00:38:09.300 I'm Greg Glod.

00:38:10.000 And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast.

00:38:12.680 Yes, sir. We are back.

00:38:13.640 In a big way.

00:38:14.480 In a very big way.

00:38:15.760 Real people, real perspectives.

00:38:17.880 This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man.

00:38:20.080 We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.

00:38:23.340 It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.

00:38:29.060 Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne.

00:38:33.380 We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug fan is.

00:38:38.960 Benny the Butcher.

00:38:40.080 Brent Smith from Shinedown.

00:38:41.440 We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. 0.96

00:38:43.420 NHL enforcer Riley Cote.

00:38:45.480 Marine Corvette.

00:38:46.740 MMA fighter.

00:38:47.820 Liz Karamush.

00:38:48.840 What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things.

00:38:51.840 Stories matter and it brings a face to them.

00:38:54.020 It makes it real.

00:38:54.800 It really does.

00:38:55.840 It makes it real.

00:38:56.680 Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs Podcast Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:39:05.080 And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.

00:39:12.680 We'll see you next time.

00:39:42.660 We'll be impacted through our Medi-Cal, our Medicaid, just in California alone.

00:39:48.380 The impacts across the spectrum from the issues around Planned Parenthood, the impacts on our hospitals, not just rural hospitals, but hospital fees, what we refer to as this MCO tax, all of these other components that they have promoted and are poised to now approve.

00:40:04.400 The devastation is actually outsized, profound, and extraordinary.

00:40:09.540 It will also increase the national debt by a minimum of $3.3 trillion.

00:40:15.320 Talk about saddling the next generation. 0.98

00:40:17.960 So we do tax cuts to people literally who are not even asking for it.

00:40:22.120 Multi-billionaires.

00:40:23.920 Centennial billionaires.

00:40:25.120 Not just wealthy corporations that rarely even pay that minimum tax.

00:40:30.820 But tell me, sanity is being taxed right now.

00:40:34.680 What the hell do we do?

00:40:37.120 What is the Senate going to do?

00:40:38.940 How can you stop this?

00:40:41.020 And how do we focus, again, to your point, on not getting distracted by these intentional distractions?

00:40:47.020 So we need to fight this in every way.

00:40:51.620 And I think that, one, it has to pass the House.

00:40:54.000 We'll see.

00:40:54.480 They have fights with their hardliners on exactly what you raised for good reasons on the debt.

00:40:59.420 And then, by the way, it's not just the health care cuts.

00:41:02.500 It's the snap cuts.

00:41:04.480 They want to put that over on your budget and on Minnesota's budget.

00:41:07.660 I saw that, depending on how they do it, if they're at 10% or wherever they are on the cuts over to state budget, Texas alone would be like $500 million.

00:41:17.580 And 40 of the 50 states have balanced budgets amendments.

00:41:20.860 So they can't even add this while grocery prices are going up, energy prices up, all of these things.

00:41:27.140 So that's what they're looking at to pay for these billionaire taxes.

00:41:29.440 So if they pass this, which it's still very unclear, but if they do this on a party-line Republican vote in the House, it comes over to the Senate.

00:41:37.840 They need 51 votes in the Senate.

00:41:40.580 And the senators have been very different on this, some of the Republicans.

00:41:45.260 First of all, they're not going to get every single one.

00:41:47.180 But then you have people like Grassley.

00:41:48.820 I know he's in his 90s.

00:41:50.240 But he said just in the hallway yesterday, I love this, we need a redo.

00:41:54.880 We need a redo.

00:41:56.080 That's his nice Midwestern way of saying, no, they're not going to accept this as the way it is.

00:42:00.680 I think he was referring to the $300 billion in the snap cuts and some of the other things.

00:42:07.700 The Senate Republicans had suggested $1 billion in cuts.

00:42:11.560 So there's going to be a lot of this.

00:42:14.920 And this is going to be the moment, I would hope, because Democrats are going to be united against this thing.

00:42:20.720 And we will be doing everything to force votes and push them on it.

00:42:24.500 But it is a time where people are going to stand up because he is really focused on this.

00:42:29.920 And there's a bunch of Republicans in the Senate, including Josh Hawley, of all things, who have basically said on Medicaid, I'm not going to do this.

00:42:39.060 We're not going to do these kinds of cuts as of other.

00:42:41.660 And all it takes is four of them.

00:42:43.580 By the way, four of them to stand up in the House against this.

00:42:47.080 So when people get mad, I don't blame them.

00:42:49.060 They get mad about things and how they are.

00:42:51.300 And they're mad at Democrats.

00:42:52.480 They got to look at this.

00:42:53.440 It takes only four of them in the House and four of them in the Senate.

00:42:57.660 If only three of them stand up, then good old J.D. Vance can come over and break the tie.

00:43:03.820 But if four of them stand up, then they can't pass it.

00:43:07.540 And so that's what the numbers are in the Senate and in the House.

00:43:11.400 So, and look, I appreciate the point you're making, that we still have agency.

00:43:18.020 We're not bystanders as it relates to this, and we can still save the future.

00:43:22.560 But that said, we heard over and over and over again today, yesterday, this last week, failure for these guys is not an option.

00:43:30.720 And of course, Trump showing up today on the Hill, making that point only reinforces symbolically and substantively what's at stake for the speaker and ultimately will be at stake for this country.

00:43:43.480 But what, I mean, this notion of waste, fraud and abuse, this idea that you're not cutting 13.7 million people off of Medicaid, that you're just asking them to work, Senator.

00:43:57.400 You're just asking them to reapply every six months, not every year.

00:44:01.520 It's hardly draconian, and it really is about waste, fraud and abuse.

00:44:05.980 How do you counter that narrative?

00:44:08.220 How do we counter that message, that talking point coming from these folks?

00:44:13.020 So, we're happy to work with them on actual waste, fraud and abuse, always have.

00:44:18.000 I'm always into looking at reforms and what we can do better.

00:44:21.140 But when you look at Medicaid, half of the people in nursing homes are on Medicaid, okay?

00:44:29.280 You have got this population tends to be the vast majority of them are kids.

00:44:35.160 They're people with disabilities.

00:44:36.660 They're veterans, right?

00:44:38.760 And they're seniors, older people.

00:44:41.400 So, you've got to look at the population you're dealing with for both the SNAP programs and Medicaid in terms of what you're talking about when you talk about making it harder to apply or creating more red tape and the like.

00:44:53.380 So, this is, I think Trump has some notion that this isn't very popular.

00:44:59.640 That's why he keeps saying he doesn't want to cut Medicaid.

00:45:02.520 I think that should be the proof point that maybe their argument isn't working.

00:45:06.000 The other proof point, by the way, when it comes to economics here, is only 37 percent, that is very close to the MAGA base, only 37 percent people think he's handling the economy well.

00:45:17.660 So, a number that I'm hot off the press sharing with our caucus today is that when people are asked, well, what do you think we should do to make the budget better and get to a better thing with the deficit?

00:45:29.260 Only 14 percent of them said cut health care and cut nutrition, those things.

00:45:35.080 68 percent said tax the billionaires and the wealthiest more in order to make sure that people aren't hurt by this.

00:45:44.900 So, I think they're in a very bad place here.

00:45:47.460 And you've got the midterms coming around the corner.

00:45:49.720 You've got, they know this.

00:45:50.960 This is why you're starting to see some of the Republicans stand up.

00:45:54.420 I'm not being a Pollyanna.

00:45:55.700 I'm just looking at the math.

00:45:57.120 I'm looking at the numbers.

00:45:58.280 And so, the key is that despite the despair of what he tries to make people just feel like nothing is good when they look at politics, despite all that, you've got to look at some of the things that are going on in the states, like your lawsuit on the terrorists.

00:46:13.740 You've got to look at the fact that people of our country are going to work every day, working hard despite all this, and looking out for each other and looking out for their neighbors, that this is still happening in America, no matter what he says or what he does every morning or what he posts on social media, and that we, as a country, have to keep standing up to this because it's either some of it's worked in court, so we fight it in the courts, we fight it in Congress, and this is going to be the big test.

00:46:40.660 Are those four Republicans going to stand up, and we're going to make them vote on a bunch of stuff in the meantime?

00:46:46.220 And then the third thing is our constituents, and that's just my plea to everyone that you've engaged so many people with this podcast.

00:46:53.460 It's incredible that they remember that.

00:46:56.060 I appreciate it, and I also just appreciate the essential nature of this moment, just focusing on this tax bill and focusing on the tariffs and doing our best over the course of the next few weeks.

00:47:07.420 I'm not talking about the fact that the Timberwolves beat the Lakers and the Golden State Warriors.

00:47:13.360 You had to do that. Really?

00:47:14.760 You had to get into that. I mean, there wasn't much time left, but I thought I might raise that issue.

00:47:20.740 We made it almost through an entire podcast without that. I mean, I won't even bring up the last many years.

00:47:28.160 I thought it was positive, and then I thought I'd end it.

00:47:31.220 So just let me briefly, in the spirit.

00:47:34.560 Okay, I'll go back to this, but for us, it's very serious.

00:47:37.480 I know.

00:47:38.040 Our journey continues.

00:47:40.580 I've got two kids that are still in bed. They have not recovered, so I understand, trust me, how serious this stuff is.

00:47:46.500 I also understand how serious the anxiety, and I just want to get to three quick topics with you, and I'll just jump right in.

00:47:56.940 Where the hell is Elon Musk? What happened to him?

00:47:59.560 What's your assessment of everything that has happened in the last few weeks, fire and fury signifying something, nothing, Doge?

00:48:07.900 He's trying to get Tesla back on track and doing his job. I just was just the way I was in Wisconsin, by the way, on that Supreme Court situation there, and not with him with the cheese head, but I was there, and I just saw how people reacted to that, and they care about their own state and their own judicial system. 0.97

00:48:31.700 They don't like that this billionaire is coming over to Green Bay, and I think that the way he handled that, there are ways, and you know this, to make changes in state or federal government.

00:48:42.560 You've got to look at agencies, just like any business person would do, what things, what line of business isn't working, what do I want to change, how do I want to do it, and boy, I want to keep some of my new vigorous employees instead of firing everyone that's just been there less than two years.

00:48:56.900 That may be the dumbest thing, and I want to keep veterinarians at USDA. I want to keep cancer researchers. I don't want to turn off all these great employees. They are the key to this, of making all this work so we can get medical devices approved, and the way they handled everything was just this slash and burn approach, which then turns off other people that they didn't even fire, that makes them want to leave, and pretty soon, who's going to be looking at the electric grid?

00:49:21.720 So this is going to affect the economy with how he's handled this. There are things that they could do and can do to look at this in a rational way, and that's what I think why he became just such a burden on everything because of the way he went up.

00:49:38.620 Not necessarily the idea of reform. People don't want to own the status quo. They want to see changes to the government. It's just how he did it and how he mocked these people, many of whom have devoted their lives to doing work that not everyone wants to go out and fight fires all the time, right?

00:49:56.240 Not everyone is putting themselves in the line or looking at doing the kind of research that you need. They're not going to sit in a lab all day, but there are some devoted Americans that do that every day, and he's making them want to go work somewhere else. So I think that's what happened, and that's why he's back, and hopefully he gets Tesla back on track.

00:50:13.860 Yeah, no, and as someone that's invested as a taxpayer, not just as an elected official supporting the growth of the alternative vehicle industry, I appreciate the sentiments about Tesla because of the energy and entrepreneurialism that defines that company, or at least has in the past, and our ability to compete for the future.

00:50:36.900 You make a point about the issue of snap and the cuts to food and food security. By the way, Trump made another Orwellian comment today in his press conference around the food cuts, around the snap cuts, saying it will actually lower the cost of food. Only Trump could actually assert that as he went on to say something about the cost of eggs.

00:50:58.840 But also, there's a part of the three-legged stool of what they're also assaulted we didn't bring up, which is on the green energy side, and the fact that we will quite literally, you talk about the future, and I appreciate you brought it up, Senator, four or five times. It wasn't lost on me.

00:51:13.960 You talked about that formula for success. You talked about the research and development. You talked about the foundations of what make this country great and how we built the world's largest middle class.

00:51:24.900 It's because we had a formula for success and academic freedom and investments in science and health and discovery and entrepreneurialism, the ability to get the first-round draft choices around the rest of the world, the best and the brightest to come to America, and rules for risk-taking but not recklessness.

00:51:43.180 You talk about the importance of permitting reform and addressing aspects of what Ezra Klein has referred to as the abundance agenda, which I completely embrace.

00:51:52.220 And Democrats, we need to own that, and we need to own up to our own performance.

00:51:56.240 But I want to just briefly talk about something, if I may, Senator, that is very personal to you and personal to all of us, but more personal to you, because I've been struck by your own history with your family, your own personal health, obviously now President Biden's health.

00:52:14.600 And it's so topical this week. I saw you on the Sunday shows, and I don't want to necessarily get to the past, per se. We're going to have plenty of time, and on this podcast, we'll talk a lot more about the past.

00:52:27.940 But in relationship to the present and the future, just your relationship with President Biden and his relationship to this moment as it relates to this advanced prostate cancer.

00:52:38.580 Right, exactly. So when you think about it, it was the cancer moonshot, when you go back to Biden after he lost his son, who I know you knew, and him.

00:52:50.020 And it was something that, of course, changed his whole life.

00:52:54.380 And I was there when President Obama signed that bill, because I had some things in there on eating disorders, other things that we'd passed, that we got in that bill, and also some of the work on cancer.

00:53:05.040 And I remember President Biden, who was vice president at the time, standing by Obama's side when he signed that bill into law.

00:53:13.620 That research at NIH and the like has continued with bipartisan support for 11 years in a row, increasing research.

00:53:20.500 And now, as you know, a lot of the works in your state, some of it's in mine with the Mayo Clinic and the University of Minnesota, and just kind of the incredible moment we're at.

00:53:31.640 We've mapped the human genome. Now we're moving into personalized medicine, and the use of AI, if harnessed and put the right rules in place, it's going to take our country to this level of leadership.

00:53:43.240 But to do it, you need, yes, some rules in place. And when Elon Musk says that there should be some rules on AI, maybe we should listen to them.

00:53:50.400 Secondly, and Congress needs to act. Secondly, we need to keep supporting this research, and the fact that these attacks on these universities, and I'm so glad they're joining forces now, because that's one thing all people who listen to your podcast have got to think about when you join forces, and you're not alone being attacked.

00:54:09.720 It's worked better for journalists, for law firms, you name it. So that idea that we could continue this research at this moment and get, continue to get in the workers that can do the research with legal immigration reform and the like, to augment the people we have here.

00:54:26.880 And that, to me, that, to me, is our golden moment into California sunshine thing, where we can really go to this next level of our economy.

00:54:38.140 And that's what one of the saddest things about what's going on when I've heard in your own state and in mine about research projects that could be brought to places like Australia, because they just, they don't know if they're going to have the certainty of doing them here.

00:54:53.120 Right at this moment where this technology and know-how is reaching this pinnacle where America has like kind of our next great breakthroughs with rare diseases, which we never thought were possible to solve.

00:55:06.620 And in my case, yes, the breast cancer that gets like, they detect it, you have a simple apectomy, you've got radiation in five days, and you don't miss a vote.

00:55:16.800 And you literally get back on a commercial flight or back for that vote and never miss anything.

00:55:22.940 I don't say that's perfect for most people. But what I say is that are these advancements has allowed our economy to function and been a leader.

00:55:30.460 And we don't want to move back on that. And I know that was something President Biden cared about.

00:55:34.760 I know it's something you're devoted to. But the point is, is that Trump, we still could go in the right direction, but he's got to stop this assault on the things that are literally the innovation that's key to America's economy.

00:55:50.340 We want to be a country that makes stuff, invents things and exports to the world.

00:55:54.460 Senator, just in closing, do you, you know, and I appreciate, I think, you know, this notion of an economic vision, a journey that everyone can be on together and they see they feel seen and included in that is critical for the Democrats and our comeback.

00:56:10.780 And not just as it relates to the midterms, but even beyond, where are you on sort of the spectrum of reflecting on where our party is, where was, where we are today and where we're going and just sort of three or four things that you think we should be doing more of right now in order to get back.

00:56:31.820 Where I think the American people, the majority of them, I believe, want us to be.

00:56:37.920 Yeah, I think we can't be stuck in the status quo of the past.

00:56:41.780 And just because Trump is going on this all out assault doesn't mean that our answer is, no, we like everything the way it was.

00:56:48.380 That's not where the American people are. That's not where we should be. 0.83

00:56:51.840 So that's the first thing. In addition to focusing on the economic mistakes he's making and the assault on people's, basically, their right to pursue opportunities by making it harder and harder for them and small businesses, we have got to have our own agenda.

00:57:08.040 That's the first thing.

00:57:09.080 The second thing is we shouldn't just go where it's comfortable. We should go where it's uncomfortable.

00:57:13.140 You know, I visit all 87 counties in my state every single year, just came back from a 19 county tour in rural Minnesota and go to other parts of the country as well that are more rural.

00:57:25.260 I just think listening to people because they're on the first line that's getting attacked by these tariffs and the like and making sure that we have an agenda that works for them.

00:57:34.120 The third thing, bring down costs, bring down costs, bring down costs.

00:57:37.660 That's going to mean more housing and getting through some of this permitting muck.

00:57:42.860 And that's part of the whole abundance Ezra Klein agenda.

00:57:47.560 Childcare, there's incredible public-private partnerships that we could engage in.

00:57:52.380 Bringing down health care costs, being willing to look at that in a different way, take on these pharmaceutical prices.

00:57:58.920 I've led that bill.

00:58:00.340 And then just remembering that there's more that unites us that divides us.

00:58:04.300 And trying through all of this muck to remember these hardworking Americans.

00:58:09.220 And you sure saw it with your firefighters and their grit and with all the people in your state.

00:58:14.600 And we see it all over the country to have that motivate us every day.

00:58:18.900 And that way you kind of make what he's doing small because you're going to be bigger than that.

00:58:23.820 And speaking of which, I have to go to our Democratic lunch.

00:58:29.140 I bet you wish you could take the podcast in there.

00:58:32.620 What they all have to say.

00:58:34.740 We're getting a little town hall.

00:58:36.240 I love it.

00:58:36.480 A little, oh yeah.

00:58:38.420 People have got a lot of views on things.

00:58:40.440 We'll wish you all the luck in this remarkable moment.

00:58:43.460 But I'm grateful you took these moments to share your thoughts, your wisdom, your insight.

00:58:47.640 And congratulations again on getting that bill to the president's desk and sign.

00:58:52.720 And thank you for all you do for all of us every single day in ways seen and unseen.

00:58:59.120 Senator Klobuchar, thanks for joining us.

00:59:01.300 Thanks.

00:59:01.580 It was great being on.

00:59:02.480 Thank you.

00:59:03.220 Thank you.

00:59:06.640 Thank you.

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