This is Gavin Newsom - And, This Is Michael Savage

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00:02:29.340 This is Gavin Newsom.

00:02:32.340 And this is Michael Savage.

00:02:36.200 The hell are you doing here?

00:02:37.720 What are we doing here?

00:02:38.840 The two of us, of all people.

00:02:40.140 Well, we're supposedly political polar opposites, which we probably are.

00:02:45.360 However, as I say on my TV show, you don't have to like my politics to like me.

00:02:50.520 And a lot of people seem to like me, but hate my politics.

00:02:53.380 Some actually like me and my politics, which is the ideal.

00:02:56.720 I love it.

00:02:57.240 So we've known each other.

00:02:58.280 I mean, full disclosure, so folks may not know this.

00:03:00.500 We've known each other over the course, on and off for a couple decades now, right?

00:03:04.580 I mean, back, I remember you, I was joking with Trump the other day in the Oval Office.

00:03:09.200 I said, you know, before, you know, you'd call me new scum is not novel.

00:03:13.120 Oh, that's disgusting.

00:03:13.780 Savage had a version of that early on when I was mayor.

00:03:16.780 Oh, any twosome newsome.

00:03:17.680 Thank you very much.

00:03:18.860 Should I tell that story?

00:03:19.840 No, you shouldn't tell that story.

00:03:21.480 It's got your great father involved in it.

00:03:24.740 Did he get involved in it?

00:03:25.900 No.

00:03:26.300 I was in a North Beach restaurant, which you remember the heyday of the North Beach restaurant.

00:03:30.180 Come on.

00:03:30.720 Your dad, may he rest in peace, Judge Newsom was there.

00:03:33.300 I was introduced to him and I said, you were the Board of Supervisors chairman and you

00:03:37.660 were just introduced to gay marriage at resolution.

00:03:40.580 And I said, Judge, your son just made the biggest career error of his life.

00:03:45.000 He's finished.

00:03:45.740 And he said, you know, I agree with you, Michael.

00:03:47.380 Well, guess what?

00:03:48.180 We were both wrong.

00:03:49.560 He did agree with you, by the way.

00:03:51.180 He was always, he was, come on, old Irish Catholic, west side of San Francisco.

00:03:56.320 And by the way, I remember, you remember this back in the day.

00:04:00.060 That's why you probably shook my hand back then.

00:04:01.980 I ran as the conservative, right?

00:04:04.100 In San Francisco.

00:04:04.460 I don't remember, honestly.

00:04:05.740 I don't know what you ran as.

00:04:06.960 I know that the city was, look, I came here in 74.

00:04:09.760 I'm an immigrant to San Francisco.

00:04:12.400 My father was an immigrant to America.

00:04:14.000 I'm a first generation American.

00:04:15.180 So I have one foot in the old world, one foot in the new.

00:04:17.540 So I still see a little bit of the immigrant and the native kind of stuff.

00:04:21.300 But I'm new to the city.

00:04:22.980 It was a great wide open city.

00:04:24.660 You could do whatever the hell you wanted.

00:04:26.320 And then what happened was it went off the rails because ultra tolerance led to,

00:04:30.220 or as I put it, Governor Newsom, when anything goes, everything goes.

00:04:34.680 Got it.

00:04:35.340 It's a good line.

00:04:35.960 It's a good line.

00:04:37.260 My line, I tell my kids, I said, how you do anything is how you do everything.

00:04:41.040 It's true.

00:04:41.660 So you got to focus on the detail, how you make your bed.

00:04:44.400 And it's how you do everything.

00:04:46.360 You actually make them make their beds.

00:04:47.860 I make them make their beds.

00:04:48.840 I make my bed too, by the way.

00:04:50.320 People don't believe that.

00:04:51.220 By the way, sometimes my wife doesn't even believe it because they're a few days off.

00:04:54.980 But let's talk about, you know, you've never taken any time away from the Bay Area.

00:05:00.140 I mean, for all, you've been here since the 70s.

00:05:03.040 74.

00:05:03.720 And you've, 74, you went to Berkeley PhD in 70.

00:05:07.840 I earned it in two and a half, two years and seven months, which is a world record.

00:05:11.540 No one knows about it.

00:05:12.880 I came in with two master's degrees.

00:05:14.380 I was blocked from a PhD in one of the master's degrees because the field was too advanced.

00:05:19.040 And I came here and got, I worked for an independent PhD, which was unheard of.

00:05:23.000 Only seven of them issued a year at the time.

00:05:25.020 Right.

00:05:25.240 It was the toughest thing I ever did in my life.

00:05:27.580 I was so proud to get a PhD from Berkeley because everyone said to me, that's your union card.

00:05:33.120 You get that PhD, you're going to be hired as a professor.

00:05:35.440 Unfortunately, hello, it kicked in.

00:05:40.360 White males need not apply.

00:05:42.040 I was rejected from every position I applied for.

00:05:45.340 And I was told, point blank, that we can't hire you because we have to fill quotas.

00:05:49.520 They told it to me.

00:05:50.460 So they were very excited.

00:05:51.380 I mean, that's because I remember you wrote a poem in 1977, right?

00:05:55.160 About white males.

00:05:56.300 You saw that?

00:05:57.360 You wrote a poem.

00:05:58.560 The death of the white male.

00:05:59.780 The death of the white.

00:06:00.500 In the 70s.

00:06:01.360 How do you know that?

00:06:02.060 You were talking about that.

00:06:03.100 Someone gave you a background on me.

00:06:04.800 I've been tracking you.

00:06:06.120 We've been casing you for years and years.

00:06:07.420 Someone's watching me.

00:06:08.620 Savage.

00:06:09.060 I did.

00:06:09.540 I wrote a hot book called The Death of the White Male, which no one knows about.

00:06:12.660 It's a pamphlet.

00:06:13.380 Yeah.

00:06:14.440 Trotsky or Lennon would understand that.

00:06:17.840 By the way, speaking of Trotsky and Lennon, you were hanging out with Allen Ginsberg.

00:06:21.620 Yes.

00:06:22.040 Lawrence Ferlinghetti.

00:06:23.000 Yes.

00:06:23.360 Quite literal, maybe.

00:06:24.600 Yes.

00:06:25.060 Lawrence, Port Laureate in San Francisco.

00:06:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:27.360 Many moons later.

00:06:28.660 You had some interesting moments back there in North Beach, back to North Beach.

00:06:33.060 Yes.

00:06:33.360 I mean, Lawrence was a friend of the family.

00:06:35.880 Lawrence and Janet and I, he flew out with Allen Ginsberg.

00:06:41.300 Lawrence and Allen flew.

00:06:42.780 They were on their way to the Adelaide Arts Festival in Australia.

00:06:46.360 And we had known them from New York.

00:06:48.380 We know Allen from New York.

00:06:49.900 And I met Lawrence here.

00:06:51.820 And I said, why don't you stop at our house in Hawaii?

00:06:53.600 I was renting a house, going to grad school there.

00:06:55.440 And they both stopped in.

00:06:56.800 They spent a few days with us.

00:06:58.320 And that was that.

00:06:59.220 But Lawrence and I stayed on and on in the years, politically opposites again.

00:07:03.740 Yeah.

00:07:04.040 But you don't have to hate someone who you don't agree with.

00:07:06.680 That's why I'm here.

00:07:08.040 That's why you invited me here.

00:07:09.640 I love that.

00:07:10.320 But it's, I mean, it is a remarkable journey for you.

00:07:12.380 I mean, if I just wrote out your resume those early years, not only were you in San Francisco

00:07:17.960 and in the Bay Area getting a PhD, but it was the PhD in what?

00:07:22.360 It was around nutrition, around ethnomedicine, ethnomedicine, which was an interdisciplinary

00:07:29.720 PhD with epidemiology, human nutrition, and anthropology in a combined whole, which was

00:07:37.720 an interdisciplinary PhD, which in order to get into that program, you had to go through

00:07:42.700 the heaviest screening program because a lot of people use bullshit to get into interdisciplinary

00:07:47.200 and do nothing.

00:07:47.880 I had to go through the toughest people at that university and explain why I wanted to

00:07:52.400 combine those fields in a new field.

00:07:55.000 And it was a tough interview.

00:07:56.920 So I got the PhD block from, I'd written seven books at the time, but I still couldn't get

00:08:01.880 a teaching job.

00:08:02.860 So I got very angry, Gavin.

00:08:05.140 Yeah.

00:08:05.720 I'm an immigrant son.

00:08:07.420 I want to be a professor.

00:08:08.540 It's all I want to be.

00:08:09.480 And they're saying, because of your race, you can't be hired.

00:08:11.520 It's crazy.

00:08:12.220 So you really, I mean, it was that indelible.

00:08:14.100 Was that the big shift then for you in terms of your politics?

00:08:17.060 It didn't really become, you were like enough.

00:08:19.380 Was it?

00:08:20.380 Well, Gavin, I was a social worker in New York before I came here, teacher, social worker.

00:08:25.440 And I was going into houses of people on welfare who were living better than I was.

00:08:29.900 I was living at the time in a rental apartment.

00:08:33.100 I had wooden furniture, crates.

00:08:35.740 We had a mattress on the floor and orange crates for end tables.

00:08:39.140 So I go into the supervisor at the welfare office and I say to her, blah, blah, blah.

00:08:42.780 She says, well, start writing out checks.

00:08:44.660 Mr. Smith gets $600 for an end table, $800 for two chairs, $900 for a bid.

00:08:50.120 I said, wait a minute.

00:08:50.740 I don't have that.

00:08:51.360 She said, just keep writing the checks.

00:08:53.080 And I said, something's wrong with this system.

00:08:55.540 And so you weren't raised necessarily with a strong ideological bias.

00:08:59.540 Oh, no.

00:09:00.080 Your parents weren't necessarily.

00:09:00.980 Your father, your mom.

00:09:02.360 I mean, they weren't out there marching the streets for a Democrat or a Republican.

00:09:07.140 It was none of that.

00:09:07.840 Nobody knew a Republican in my family or in my circles.

00:09:11.260 My father was an immigrant and he would walk the streets and he would point things out to

00:09:15.320 me and teach me what the world was about.

00:09:16.800 But he would say, I said, Dad, are you a Democrat or Republican?

00:09:19.500 He would say, you know, Michael, he said, all I know is things are better for me when

00:09:23.480 Democrats are in office.

00:09:24.600 Now, remember, he came through the Depression, right?

00:09:26.680 He worked in the WPA.

00:09:28.240 He got a job as a kid who had nothing driving a car for a politician.

00:09:32.300 I still don't know how he got it.

00:09:33.480 Who did he know?

00:09:34.500 He told me stories of driving some corrupt politician to Saratoga Springs.

00:09:37.720 I don't even know the rest of those stories.

00:09:39.020 So he, to him, the government intervened in the Great Depression with the WPA and it saved

00:09:45.000 him, right?

00:09:46.020 So it shaped his perspective.

00:09:47.500 But he didn't understand that after JFK, who I voted for, I love JFK, he was one of

00:09:54.200 my heroes.

00:09:55.260 I'll never forget how he influenced me.

00:09:57.280 When I saw that picture of him and he said, don't ask what your country can do for you,

00:10:01.560 but what you can do for your country.

00:10:03.220 You know that that puts steel in my spine.

00:10:05.040 I wanted to go out and march and do something for my country.

00:10:07.500 I love that.

00:10:07.840 One good line can influence a person for a long time.

00:10:11.160 Yeah.

00:10:11.400 This notion of responsibility, not just opportunity.

00:10:14.200 It's the one piece that I think in our party continues, we continue to miss.

00:10:18.340 Well.

00:10:18.980 But we're going to get to that in a moment.

00:10:20.560 But I just want to talk about those moments that shaped you.

00:10:23.440 I mean, again, sitting here talking about nutrition.

00:10:26.260 You were working in a clinic in San Francisco.

00:10:28.880 Yes.

00:10:29.300 Nutrition.

00:10:29.520 You're writing all these books.

00:10:30.720 You were, I mean, dare I say, and here are a bunch of them right here.

00:10:33.980 One of what, by the way, you said seven, but you've done 29.

00:10:37.000 Nine.

00:10:37.460 Nine.

00:10:38.120 Books.

00:10:38.920 Published.

00:10:39.840 Unbelievable.

00:10:40.160 And several unpublished.

00:10:42.320 We'll get to.

00:10:43.160 You know, there is two novels in there, set in San Francisco.

00:10:46.360 People don't read novels.

00:10:47.900 Abuse of Power and A Time for War.

00:10:50.420 They're set in San Francisco in North Beach, in the North Beach restaurant and around there

00:10:53.800 at the time of Lorenzo was alive.

00:10:55.320 Lorenzo Petroni.

00:10:56.240 He's owned North Beach restaurant.

00:10:57.660 So he used to run old Italian and all the Democrats would meet in that restaurant.

00:11:03.060 Remember?

00:11:03.740 In the back room.

00:11:04.540 And the closeted Republicans.

00:11:06.360 So they'd meet there and one of them once said to him, he said, Michael, you know what

00:11:10.200 they said to me?

00:11:10.860 I said, what?

00:11:11.420 They said to me, are you a right winger?

00:11:15.720 He says, no, I'm not a right winger.

00:11:16.860 I'm a fascist.

00:11:17.600 That's what Lorenzo said.

00:11:18.780 May he rest in peace.

00:11:19.680 May he rest in peace.

00:11:20.660 By the way, I'm survived.

00:11:22.520 He survived as long as he did.

00:11:23.820 He was usually three or four bottles at lunch in and then went all night.

00:11:28.820 Oh, poor man.

00:11:29.920 But he was, but he was, he was a legend.

00:11:31.920 He was built like a bear.

00:11:33.440 A bear.

00:11:33.880 He was a bear, old world bear.

00:11:35.820 Different generation, but it, but it, so we were shaped so similarly.

00:11:39.400 I mean, I was the kid in the corner with my father, with George Moscone, the former

00:11:43.920 mayor, Quentin Kopp, the former state senator, then become judge, all that.

00:11:48.480 And that shaped my political beginnings and sort of, you know, gave me a sense of what the

00:11:52.560 whole political scene was about in North beach was really the sort of, it was the neighborhood

00:11:56.600 city hall where real deals were done.

00:11:58.860 So Gavin, we want to talk about, I'm sorry, the personal stuff and the health stuff.

00:12:02.260 I know that, but if I don't ask some, can I read the bullet points?

00:12:05.460 Unbelievable.

00:12:05.820 See, you're bringing notes.

00:12:07.160 I bring nothing.

00:12:08.120 I got the questions.

00:12:09.500 I'm not as young as you.

00:12:10.500 Why are you bringing a question?

00:12:10.820 Well, I want to, let's jump in.

00:12:12.060 I'm going to, but I want to start, let's start with this and we'll go back and forth.

00:12:15.720 But this whole program of nutrition is really interesting because it's very contemporary

00:12:18.780 now.

00:12:19.520 You've got RFK Jr.

00:12:20.560 You've got now a new health and human service secretary, obviously Trump embracing this

00:12:25.660 notion of Maha, make America healthy again.

00:12:27.940 By the way, I love that.

00:12:29.240 I love that.

00:12:29.960 Well, look at you.

00:12:30.740 You're not a fat guy.

00:12:31.740 No, but it's not even, but not even about body weight.

00:12:33.700 It's about just health and wellness, all this stuff you've been preaching and practicing.

00:12:37.540 You were the original, you were, I'll say your original bunch of things and we'll get

00:12:41.560 to language, borders, the culture in a minute.

00:12:43.220 Oh, wow.

00:12:43.740 And Trump and Trumpism because you were, you know, Trump was a Democrat when you were practicing

00:12:50.020 these fundamental principles.

00:12:50.920 I'm fully aware.

00:12:51.360 But this whole Maha movement, I mean, you've got to feel pretty good about that.

00:12:54.280 Or do you feel it's a little off base and not necessarily is it well established in the

00:12:57.980 sort of cornerstone of your more academic thinking?

00:13:00.620 Okay, so I was a big element of the alternative health movement in California from the time

00:13:07.080 I got here.

00:13:08.180 Herbal medicine, homeopathy, nutrition, wrote books on it.

00:13:11.800 I knew all the leaders.

00:13:12.840 I knew Linus Pauling, I knew Bob Cathcourt, I knew Richard Cunyon.

00:13:15.740 These were the geniuses in the field.

00:13:18.940 Here's the problem with RFK Jr.

00:13:21.760 He's a Johnny come lately to the field.

00:13:23.360 I like what he's doing.

00:13:24.600 He doesn't have the nuance or the subtlety to understand a lot of it.

00:13:27.740 And even when he was appointed, I was sending messages to Trump saying, you can't eliminate

00:13:32.440 the entire health and human services department.

00:13:35.220 There are some good scientists in the NIH.

00:13:38.100 You can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

00:13:40.640 Slow down all revolutionaries, as you know, left and right, want to start from the beginning.

00:13:45.660 You can't do it.

00:13:46.720 You can't fire every scientist.

00:13:48.200 I try to tell him that.

00:13:49.160 And I try to get on the good side of RFK Jr. without any luck.

00:13:53.080 Russ was skiing in Aspen a few weeks ago.

00:13:55.200 You know who was on the chair next to him?

00:13:57.140 Who?

00:13:57.780 RFK Jr.

00:13:59.040 So he said to him who he is.

00:14:00.580 And he says, you know who my dad is?

00:14:01.760 And he says, Michael Savage.

00:14:02.780 And he says, wow, he's a great guy.

00:14:04.060 But you know, I've never talked to him.

00:14:06.180 RFK all these years?

00:14:07.260 No, I still haven't gotten to him.

00:14:09.000 Interesting.

00:14:09.800 Despite the fact that you've been at this longer than he's been alive.

00:14:12.380 I would like to help as an advisor on the alternative medicine side of his revolutionary

00:14:17.420 quest.

00:14:18.560 And I also would like to offer you, Gavin Newsom, as the governor of this great state where

00:14:22.980 I've been since 74.

00:14:24.640 Don't you have a health task force, alternative medicine?

00:14:27.380 Yeah, of course.

00:14:27.900 No, we're about wellness, about health care, not sick care.

00:14:31.800 We've been focused on all the issues around ultra-processed food, free meals, nutritious

00:14:36.260 meals, focusing on farm-to-fork, focusing on proximity to agriculture, focusing on small

00:14:41.720 farms and regenerative farming, all the component parts and all this.

00:14:44.960 I mean, a lot of it, of course, is weaponized politically.

00:14:48.080 I did, quote unquote, the Skittles ban a couple of years ago.

00:14:51.100 The same folks in the right were attacking the Skittles ban, which was about red dye.

00:14:56.000 Now they're embracing and celebrating it.

00:14:58.000 Red dye number four.

00:14:58.620 I wrote about it in 1974 in a book called Bugs in the Peanut Butter.

00:15:01.780 Is that right?

00:15:02.240 It was a book for children about all the dangers in everyday foods.

00:15:04.840 People thought I was crazy.

00:15:06.000 I love it.

00:15:06.400 But do you have a commission on alternative health, homeopathy, nutrition, herbal medicine?

00:15:11.920 We have, you know, not full.

00:15:13.220 I mean, it's represented in health bodies, but it's not fully represented as the body.

00:15:18.360 This is what the state of California should be leading the world in, all these alternative,

00:15:21.680 I think, modalities.

00:15:22.860 You have tons of practitioners in those fields in this state.

00:15:26.440 Dollar a year.

00:15:27.140 I mean, we may negotiate 50 cents.

00:15:32.920 There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay.

00:15:36.960 It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation.

00:15:41.120 It's terrible, terrible dirt.

00:15:42.540 Yazoo clay eats everything, so things that get buried there tend to stay buried.

00:15:48.360 Until they're not.

00:15:50.360 In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery.

00:15:56.340 7,000 bodies out there or more.

00:16:00.080 All former patients of the old state asylum, and nobody knew they were there.

00:16:05.180 It was my family's mystery.

00:16:07.480 But in this corner of the South, it's not just the soil that keeps secrets.

00:16:11.620 Nobody talks about it.

00:16:13.620 Nobody has any information.

00:16:15.240 When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think.

00:16:20.740 The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.

00:16:26.440 I'm Larison Campbell.

00:16:27.920 Listen to Under Yazoo Clay on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

00:16:34.700 Hi, friends.

00:16:37.080 Sophia Bush here, host of Work in Progress.

00:16:39.960 This week, we had such a special guest on the podcast.

00:16:44.360 My forever flotus.

00:16:46.320 A mentor, a friend, a wife, a mother, an author, attorney, advocate, television producer.

00:16:52.180 And now she adds podcast host to the list herself.

00:16:56.680 Friends, Michelle Obama is here.

00:16:58.980 Sophia, I'm beyond thrilled to be able to sit down and chat with you.

00:17:02.520 We talk about it all.

00:17:04.440 Life, love, motherhood, martinis.

00:17:07.380 Vodka martini, dry, straight up, olives.

00:17:10.160 Ooh, olives.

00:17:11.260 Very cold.

00:17:12.680 My girl.

00:17:13.640 Barely any vermouth.

00:17:15.060 What's next?

00:17:16.260 What she's watching on TV.

00:17:18.260 I am a white lotuser.

00:17:19.780 I am a real housewives person.

00:17:22.560 I love the dating shows.

00:17:24.360 And tennis.

00:17:25.340 I just find that to be a bit meditative.

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00:19:43.720 I'm so curious.

00:19:47.840 I mean, look, I joke about language, you know, borders, language, culture, my motto.

00:19:52.920 I mean, it's just indelible.

00:19:54.580 I was listening to you as a supervisor, I was listening to you as mayor, not just because we ran into each other, not just because I knew your son, Russ, and love your wife, Janet.

00:20:03.580 You're the most entertaining person and personality, period, full stop and storyteller on the radio.

00:20:09.900 You were.

00:20:10.360 I'm a good story.

00:20:11.140 Well, I tell stories because they're part of life, and education is about telling stories.

00:20:16.760 A good teacher tells a story doesn't just beat you up with facts.

00:20:20.300 So if I can tell a story about my life, and it makes a political point, fine.

00:20:24.460 So let me tell a political story, if I may.

00:20:27.000 About five years ago, I had a heart attack.

00:20:28.860 Yeah.

00:20:29.120 Okay, here in Marin County.

00:20:30.180 Yes.

00:20:30.760 So I'm rushed to Marin General.

00:20:32.720 Yep.

00:20:33.200 I have to wait in line.

00:20:34.620 It's filled with illegal aliens.

00:20:36.240 And the girl at the desk makes me wait.

00:20:38.300 I said, I'm dying.

00:20:39.020 Do you understand?

00:20:39.440 I called the car.

00:20:40.020 He's waiting for me.

00:20:40.800 And she starts driving me through like hoops.

00:20:43.200 I said, no.

00:20:44.200 And I walk into the ER room, and they hook me up and do their stuff.

00:20:47.740 Now, so in come two huge, 250-pound black bodyguards, because they heard there was a

00:20:54.460 troublemaker in the emergency room.

00:20:56.120 So here's this little Jewish guy on a journey with wires and plugs in them.

00:21:00.080 And I said, yeah, I'm the one who was causing trouble out there.

00:21:02.420 They left, and they left.

00:21:04.260 And I said, why do I have to wait to get into an emergency room when I pay more taxes than

00:21:09.180 any 10,000 of them do?

00:21:10.600 You know what?

00:21:11.400 That's why we do preventative care.

00:21:13.020 That's why we have a different approach, because we have sick care in the emergency room

00:21:16.380 that's universal across this country.

00:21:18.180 Well, I totally-

00:21:18.560 You have access all across the country for similar circumstances.

00:21:21.740 You are at substantially higher prices on the back end for the emergency care.

00:21:26.160 See, this is where we disagree, because you can't give first world excellent medical

00:21:31.600 care to everyone on the planet without going bankrupt.

00:21:34.280 No, I appreciate it.

00:21:35.140 But honestly, I mean this sincerely.

00:21:36.540 What would you do to the person that was just hit by a car that was here for 15 years

00:21:41.520 taking care of your elderly grandparents in an elder care facility, and they end up in

00:21:46.520 the emergency room, you say, no, you're not going to get that care.

00:21:49.100 No, of course you're going to give them care.

00:21:50.620 First of all, it's not only in your main, but it's available to them, but that's not

00:21:54.320 what we're talking about.

00:21:54.820 There are people coming over the border just for expensive surgeries, just for expensive

00:21:59.780 medical care.

00:22:00.480 By the way, a few years ago, I remember people going south of the border into Tijuana from San

00:22:05.080 Diego because it was cheaper to get some quality care in Mexico.

00:22:08.780 Those days are over in Northern California.

00:22:10.260 But if you talk about borders, language, and culture, which you introduced, and I think

00:22:13.440 it's very important.

00:22:14.320 Everyone knows it's my mantra.

00:22:15.380 Why aren't you asking?

00:22:15.920 By the way, when was it your mantra?

00:22:17.700 I mean-

00:22:18.020 94.

00:22:19.140 Were people talking like that in the early 90s?

00:22:21.520 They were starting to a little bit, right?

00:22:22.940 No.

00:22:23.220 Prop 187 in California.

00:22:24.980 Oh, you remember?

00:22:25.780 Oh, 209 and 187.

00:22:26.640 Yeah, a little bit.

00:22:27.120 So there was a little of that, but you really coined that phrase.

00:22:30.520 Okay.

00:22:30.760 So I created the Paul Revere Society in 94 here in California, which no longer exists.

00:22:36.020 And the motto, I had to write a card up.

00:22:37.480 What do we stand for?

00:22:38.900 Borders, language, culture.

00:22:39.880 So nobody truly understood it, but there's not a country on earth that is not defined

00:22:43.900 by its borders, unified by its language, and doesn't have a common culture.

00:22:47.280 And when you lose all of that, you lose the nation.

00:22:49.060 I don't care what the nation is.

00:22:50.020 It could be a small African nation, a small Caribbean nation.

00:22:52.940 They're defined by their borders, language, and culture.

00:22:54.760 How hard does that people understand?

00:22:56.120 So let me just finish the border thing.

00:22:58.440 Even China built the Great Wall of China to protect its border.

00:23:02.000 Why?

00:23:02.360 Because the Mongols were invading China.

00:23:04.920 So I'm a total believer in the sovereignty of a nation.

00:23:08.700 I don't know how anyone can argue with that.

00:23:10.860 Right.

00:23:11.360 And I mean, there are some that obviously do, but I'm not among them.

00:23:15.160 By the way, California, we put down almost 400, 394 National Guards since the week I first

00:23:21.440 became governor to supplement and support Customs and Border Patrol at the border to address some

00:23:27.140 of the issues of fentanyl and some of the border security concerns.

00:23:29.760 Do you agree with Trump then on cracking down on the flood of illegals into the nation?

00:23:33.740 I think there's a way of doing it and approaching it.

00:23:35.720 And I think we have a broader problem, which is immigration policy and asylum abuse.

00:23:40.360 The asylum system is broken in the United States of America.

00:23:43.280 You have the power to do something about it in the state, don't you?

00:23:45.820 Well, not directly.

00:23:46.840 And we have no direct border except for supplementing our support, which we, again,

00:23:50.720 have been doing for years and years and years.

00:23:52.260 So here's a great statement that no one's going to expect from me, where I probably am to

00:23:56.000 the left of you on something with immigration that people don't understand.

00:24:00.220 I know of a person who was here 20 years from Mexico.

00:24:03.380 He's worked seven days a week.

00:24:04.940 He's paid taxes.

00:24:06.400 He can't become a citizen.

00:24:08.200 That's wrong.

00:24:09.240 I'm with you.

00:24:10.000 Something's wrong with that.

00:24:11.060 That's why we talk about the border, which is critical.

00:24:14.360 Not even a traffic ticket.

00:24:15.900 I appreciate it.

00:24:16.480 That's not even a traffic ticket.

00:24:17.640 Now you're having.

00:24:18.280 So this is interesting.

00:24:19.440 Just the last comprehensive survey in the state of California, and this is not a contemporary

00:24:23.380 survey, needs to be updated, said that 67% of people that are here without documentation

00:24:28.840 in California have been here for 10 plus years along the same lines.

00:24:32.640 Are they paying taxes?

00:24:33.820 And paying taxes.

00:24:34.660 But here's the secret part of it.

00:24:35.860 The vast majority of folks.

00:24:36.500 The worker pays taxes, but they have several dependents at home who don't, who live on

00:24:40.080 supplemental income from the state and the federal government.

00:24:44.140 That is a problem.

00:24:45.000 And therein lies, yes, some of the sort of dialect that you and I will have to have in

00:24:50.400 terms of what's the appropriate level of support and how you deal with that reality.

00:24:54.700 The federal failure to address the issue of immigration, immigration policy, and border,

00:25:00.260 we completely agree with.

00:25:02.220 The question is, what's that pathway to address the example you just provided?

00:25:06.380 And how do you do it?

00:25:07.800 Gavin, I pay 16% in state taxes.

00:25:10.880 You pay, well, then you need a better accountant because it's 13.3%.

00:25:15.020 But there's a millionaire's tax on top of it.

00:25:16.920 And I work and I'm 83 years old and I still work.

00:25:20.780 Okay.

00:25:21.100 I have another home in Florida.

00:25:22.500 Yeah.

00:25:22.960 I don't live there.

00:25:23.980 I prefer where I live.

00:25:25.040 I've gotten used to the fog, to the seagulls, to the cormorants.

00:25:29.160 I know all the birds of the bay.

00:25:30.820 I'm an avid boater.

00:25:32.160 So I got used to watching the fog rolling over the Marin Hills.

00:25:35.080 I watch it roll out in the afternoon.

00:25:36.680 I love it.

00:25:37.480 And I've always said, you got the 10 zones here.

00:25:39.700 You got snow to the desert.

00:25:41.960 Right.

00:25:42.160 So it's a perfect geographical location for me.

00:25:45.600 But there's a point at which I will leave this state and that will be taxation without representation.

00:25:51.360 I could go to Florida and pay no state tax.

00:25:53.620 Right.

00:25:54.060 Right.

00:25:54.620 Yeah.

00:25:54.840 I mean, the reality is we have the highest tax rate, but not the highest taxes in America.

00:26:00.660 Who has a higher state tax?

00:26:02.500 Tax rate.

00:26:03.880 The vast majority of people are not you.

00:26:05.380 They're not the 1%, which means 99% of other people pay different taxes.

00:26:08.240 I'm subsidizing them.

00:26:09.540 No, but at the end, well, we can get to that.

00:26:11.160 But the bottom line, places like you use Florida, they tax their low-wage workers more

00:26:15.900 than we tax our high-wage workers.

00:26:16.640 Yeah, but Gavin, I shouldn't be punished for succeeding.

00:26:20.140 And it's a disincentive to me.

00:26:22.300 I get it.

00:26:22.820 Why should I work?

00:26:23.780 Why should I keep working?

00:26:24.900 Well, there's many reasons, and you don't need to work.

00:26:27.420 I know this.

00:26:28.460 There's one thing I know.

00:26:29.580 Of course.

00:26:30.060 You, of all people, do not have to work.

00:26:32.380 You do it.

00:26:33.340 But Gavin, I'm an immigrant son.

00:26:34.720 I wore dead man's pants as a kid.

00:26:36.260 But every nickel I have, I've worked since I'm five years old.

00:26:41.200 A young man drives from me.

00:26:42.640 He's from Mexico.

00:26:43.420 He says, Michael, you're an inspiration to me.

00:26:45.160 You keep working at your age.

00:26:46.280 I tell all my friends that not all white people in houses don't work.

00:26:50.380 He says, some of you keep working.

00:26:52.540 And why?

00:26:53.340 He said, you're such an inspiration to me.

00:26:55.000 But work is a, you know, Gauguin, I'm sorry, Rodin, the great sculptor.

00:26:59.920 Everyone knows his work.

00:27:01.080 It's in the Palace of the Legion of Honor, all his work, right?

00:27:03.040 Love that museum.

00:27:03.940 Yep, yep.

00:27:04.540 So I read Rodin avidly.

00:27:07.020 And Rodin said, work is the only salvation.

00:27:09.360 And I found that to be true.

00:27:10.800 I love it.

00:27:11.300 I was with Voltaire.

00:27:12.800 He said, work solves life's three great evils.

00:27:15.560 Boredom, vice, and need.

00:27:17.500 Who said that?

00:27:18.280 Voltaire.

00:27:19.240 Voltaire.

00:27:19.760 Boredom, vice, and need.

00:27:21.460 Look, I'm with you.

00:27:22.360 But I think it's important, just in California, the vast majority of middle-class taxpayers pay

00:27:27.540 less than they do in California, middle-class, than they do in states like Texas.

00:27:31.840 It's a question of who you're for.

00:27:33.220 We have the highest.

00:27:33.700 How much went, to what level did they pay low?

00:27:36.020 We are averaged a slightly above average taxed state.

00:27:39.020 Well, I.

00:27:39.580 It's the 1%.

00:27:40.520 And by the way, we haven't raised your taxes at the 1% since 2011.

00:27:44.720 And it wasn't, by the way, it wasn't governor, it wasn't lieutenant governor, or it just became

00:27:48.740 lieutenant governor.

00:27:49.180 But it was the voters of California that did that.

00:27:50.920 But I don't disagree with you.

00:27:52.060 Of course.

00:27:52.180 People always vote for taxation on the rich.

00:27:54.620 That's what Karl Marx taught them to do.

00:27:56.380 So the thing is.

00:27:57.500 By the way, I'm not advocating for increasing taxes.

00:28:00.400 Haven't done it as governor of the state of California.

00:28:02.200 No income tax increases under my governorship.

00:28:04.540 I've opposed them.

00:28:05.680 In fact, did $5 million of ads to stop Proposition 30, which was a tax increase run by corporations

00:28:12.180 in the Bay Area that had their own special tax increase, where I did ads to oppose it and

00:28:17.300 opposed the wealth tax in California.

00:28:18.920 So we're trying to keep you here, Dr. Savage.

00:28:21.580 Keep you in the great state of California.

00:28:22.940 Well, I will leave if my taxes go up.

00:28:24.400 I know.

00:28:24.780 And we're working hard against that.

00:28:26.000 So look, I made a little list.

00:28:27.260 Borders, voting, illegal aliens who were voting in the state.

00:28:32.560 Is that still illegal?

00:28:33.520 Of course.

00:28:34.040 It was always illegal.

00:28:35.000 It wasn't never not illegal.

00:28:36.000 So I'll bring up voters.

00:28:36.660 And by the way, what substantive evidence is there to suggest that you have any receipts

00:28:41.260 to back up that all of these people are voting illegally in California?

00:28:44.660 I don't know that all of them are, but I'll ask you a question that everyone...

00:28:47.680 Look, I put this on social media, and they said, ask the governor.

00:28:51.260 And again, I don't have to be contentious to ask you this.

00:28:53.620 No, I appreciate it.

00:28:54.360 Why does it take so many months or days to count the ballots in California a month?

00:29:00.020 Legit.

00:29:00.280 India, one day to count 640 million votes.

00:29:03.220 Germany, eight hours to count 50 million votes.

00:29:05.400 Argentina, six hours to count 27 million votes.

00:29:08.380 California, four weeks to count 16 million votes.

00:29:10.780 It's ridiculous.

00:29:11.580 Why?

00:29:11.820 It's ridiculous.

00:29:12.960 It's because it's...

00:29:13.920 And by the way, we've been having this conversation enough.

00:29:16.700 And it's a...

00:29:17.240 First of all, we believe that every vote counts.

00:29:18.940 So we want to make sure every vote is counted because of the provisional ballots, the fact

00:29:22.620 we do all mail-in ballots, the fact that we have such huge investments in making sure

00:29:28.880 that we increase that outreach.

00:29:30.660 We want to make sure, again, every vote counts.

00:29:32.920 But you're right.

00:29:33.660 The time...

00:29:34.840 I'm right about something?

00:29:35.660 No, the right...

00:29:36.320 Absolutely.

00:29:37.420 The right is right.

00:29:38.800 And you are right to criticize the extended period.

00:29:42.920 I'm not actually a right winner.

00:29:43.820 And we're looking at...

00:29:44.480 I'm an independent guy.

00:29:45.620 You're an independent conservative.

00:29:46.860 I would say...

00:29:47.280 But what does that mean, independent conservative?

00:29:48.760 Meaning I'll make up my own mind about every issue.

00:29:50.940 So on the environment, I'm probably to the left of you.

00:29:53.360 What I love about you, this is where we have some interaction periodically.

00:29:57.560 And I look at you as you're an animal rights guy that's not big into the animal rights advocates.

00:30:03.960 Well, not burning down clinics or attacking people who eat meat.

00:30:09.120 You're a conservationist, but you don't love the environmentalists.

00:30:12.200 Because there's a difference.

00:30:13.900 Conservationists believe in conserving the environment.

00:30:17.720 Environmentalists use the environment as a political weapon or a tool to advance, I would say, a Marxist agenda.

00:30:23.940 There's a big difference.

00:30:25.320 It's like anything else.

00:30:26.420 I mean, you could be for something without using it as a weapon against your political enemies.

00:30:30.880 So everyone's saying the fires, the fires, the fires.

00:30:34.140 Yeah.

00:30:34.380 Can we talk about the fires?

00:30:35.480 We need to talk about the fires.

00:30:36.920 This last decade has been extraordinary and devastating, not just in Los Angeles, but the Camp Fire, where I originally was with President Trump as governor-elect, walking there.

00:30:47.400 Eighty-five people lost their lives.

00:30:49.440 We live very close, both of us now in Marin.

00:30:52.160 Santa Rosa, the Tubbs Fire.

00:30:54.020 I remember, terrible fire.

00:30:55.260 5,600 housing units lost.

00:30:57.700 So, no, this is serious stuff.

00:30:59.860 And, you know, God bless, there's fires going on in the middle of winter in North Carolina as we speak.

00:31:07.480 But what about the rebuilding down in Pacific Palisades?

00:31:10.720 This is a hot-button issue.

00:31:12.800 Shouldn't there be a, I'm sorry, a special master to administer the funds?

00:31:16.600 It seems fishy to a lot of people.

00:31:18.500 Administer which funds?

00:31:19.580 The FEMA dollars?

00:31:20.320 The rebuilding of Los Angeles.

00:31:22.760 Well, there should be accountability across the spectrum.

00:31:24.780 Who's accounting for it?

00:31:26.020 The FEMA has rules and regulations that are overseen by Congress, and obviously the distribution of those funds, a lot of it's individual aid, a lot of it's through the SBA, a lot of it have very prescriptive requirements that are well-established across the country.

00:31:39.280 But we're all for accountability.

00:31:40.860 I'm for accountability and have no problem.

00:31:43.340 And I think in terms of that transparency and accountability, advocating for it and for all our tax dollars, not just as it relates to retail.

00:31:50.340 So, here's one related to it from my friend, Danny Horowitz, who's my attorney.

00:31:53.820 Great man.

00:31:54.260 You've got to meet Daniel.

00:31:54.900 So, hope you never have to meet him.

00:31:56.220 But no, he's a great guy.

00:31:57.200 Are you getting in trouble?

00:31:58.640 No, no, I hate lawyers.

00:31:59.940 I only like my lawyer.

00:32:01.160 So, he said, please, he loves you.

00:32:02.680 He says, he said, please ask the governor the following.

00:32:05.440 He said, State Senator Scott Weiner, DSF, has introduced SB 677, which his website says is designed to strengthen two of California's landmark housing streamlining laws, SB 9, blah, blah, blah.

00:32:15.480 These bills would allow developers to override local zoning laws and create high-density housing in suburbs and places like the burned-down areas of L.A.

00:32:24.480 The bills allow this intensified development without any provision for increased fire, police, or water services.

00:32:29.920 He says, Gavin, you signed SB 9 and SB 423, given the devastating impact of the laws of the United States of Fires.

00:32:35.000 Are you willing to rethink your support of these bills and allow local communities to make their own assessments of fire and public safety right now?

00:32:43.460 Well, as it relates to the specific bill that he referenced that Scott Weiner just introduced, one of 2,000.

00:32:50.580 Michael, over 2,000 bills were just introduced by the legislature.

00:32:56.120 Too many bills.

00:32:56.580 But there's not 2,000 problems.

00:32:58.960 I know you think there are a lot of problems.

00:33:00.420 They're not 2,000.

00:33:00.900 You don't think there are 2,000 problems.

00:33:02.380 I don't think there are 2,000 problems.

00:33:03.600 I don't think there's two problems.

00:33:04.840 There's only three.

00:33:05.540 What is language and culture?

00:33:06.340 What is language and culture?

00:33:10.640 There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay.

00:33:14.980 It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation.

00:33:19.000 It's terrible, terrible dirt.

00:33:20.660 Yazoo clay eats everything, so things that get buried there tend to stay buried.

00:33:25.880 Until they're not.

00:33:28.240 In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery.

00:33:34.200 7,000 bodies out there or more.

00:33:37.960 All former patients of the old state asylum, and nobody knew they were there.

00:33:43.080 It was my family's mystery.

00:33:45.360 But in this corner of the South, it's not just the soil that keeps secrets.

00:33:49.820 Nobody talks about it.

00:33:51.500 Nobody has any information.

00:33:52.800 When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think.

00:33:58.640 The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.

00:34:04.340 I'm Larison Campbell.

00:34:05.800 Listen to Under Yazoo Clay on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:34:12.580 Hi, friends.

00:34:14.940 Sophia Bush here, host of Work in Progress.

00:34:17.840 This week, we had such a special guest on the podcast.

00:34:22.220 My forever flotus.

00:34:24.200 A mentor, a friend, a wife, a mother, an author, attorney, advocate, television producer.

00:34:29.900 And now she adds podcast host to the list herself.

00:34:34.600 Friends, Michelle Obama is here.

00:34:36.860 Sophia, I'm beyond thrilled to be able to sit down and chat with you.

00:34:40.400 We talk about it all.

00:34:42.320 Life, love, motherhood, martinis.

00:34:45.260 Vodka martini, dry, straight up, olives.

00:34:48.040 Ooh, olives.

00:34:49.140 Very cold.

00:34:50.560 My girl.

00:34:51.520 Barely any vermouth.

00:34:52.940 What's next?

00:34:54.140 What she's watching on TV.

00:34:56.140 I am a white lotuser.

00:34:57.660 I am a real housewives person.

00:35:00.440 I love the dating shows.

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00:35:13.840 Hey, I'm Jay Shetty.

00:35:15.420 And if you've ever felt the weight of letting go of people, past versions of yourself, or the expectations placed on you, this episode is for you.

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00:35:53.380 The weight that is no longer on me is not just fat or physical.

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00:37:50.380 We've got the debris removed, and thank you to the EPA.

00:38:03.740 Thank you, Lee Zeldin.

00:38:04.620 Thank you to President Trump directly for helping.

00:38:07.420 We got the debris for the hazardous waste done in less than 30 days, unprecedented in U.S. history.

00:38:13.260 We want to get the rest of this debris done within nine months.

00:38:17.160 Concurrently, we're already doing housing permits, and people are going to start reconstruction in a matter of months.

00:38:21.960 But you've got to build back smarter, better.

00:38:24.080 You've got to deal with the climate realities.

00:38:26.000 You've got to deal with fire issues.

00:38:27.760 You've got to deal with redundancies and systems related to fire suppression.

00:38:30.580 Sounds like it's going to slow everything down.

00:38:32.260 Not going to slow everything down.

00:38:33.140 We do this concurrently.

00:38:34.300 We do this in sort of stacking order.

00:38:36.560 We're trying to do this quickly, but safely and smartly, because we don't want to be as dumb as we possibly want to be by building back in the way that we built in the 50s for a world that no longer exists today.

00:38:48.420 And you have to admit, hots are getting hotter.

00:38:50.380 Drys are drier.

00:38:51.820 Droughts.

00:38:52.260 Well-

00:38:52.680 These atmospheric rivers.

00:38:53.820 No, no, no.

00:38:54.380 Mr. Savage, please.

00:38:55.160 Let's slow down.

00:38:56.200 Science is my middle name.

00:38:57.740 I know.

00:38:59.080 But your eyes tell you a different story too, right?

00:39:03.460 No, no.

00:39:04.420 Reality is reality.

00:39:05.700 Let's talk about climate change.

00:39:07.740 You brought it up.

00:39:09.240 I just brought up temperatures and record droughts.

00:39:12.820 Well, a lot of this is total bullshit.

00:39:14.820 They're all wrong on it.

00:39:15.760 The science doesn't support it.

00:39:17.060 And I'm going to give you one piece of evidence that people don't want to look at, real science evidence.

00:39:22.040 I did it on my YouTube channel yesterday because I was talking about the Pope and his health.

00:39:26.020 And the Pope is a radical leftist politically, by the way.

00:39:29.940 St. Francis of San Francisco.

00:39:32.040 And I wish him a speedy recovery.

00:39:35.180 But he was a radical leftist guy.

00:39:38.040 And he was wrong about environmental things.

00:39:40.280 Because I know who wrote his encyclical on this.

00:39:43.220 And the guy is a classic Marxist.

00:39:45.580 So one piece of evidence, which they'll cut right out of this tape.

00:39:49.260 They're called the Vostok ice core samples.

00:39:51.480 No one heard of them.

00:39:52.440 Okay.

00:39:52.720 Okay.

00:39:53.060 So Russia and France, you got left and right, scientists from both countries drill into the Antarctic shelf.

00:40:00.780 They drill down 10,000 feet, two miles.

00:40:03.400 They pull up a core from the Antarctic.

00:40:06.240 And why are you looking at the core of the Antarctic?

00:40:08.520 Because you can see climactic changes in the core, as you understand.

00:40:12.600 And guess what?

00:40:13.940 There were carbon dioxide increases millennia ago.

00:40:17.800 But they always followed temperature increases.

00:40:21.540 They didn't cause the temperature increases.

00:40:24.160 People don't understand that we had a period of great flora enveloping the earth, which produced a great deal of carbon dioxide.

00:40:33.180 So now, don't get me wrong, though.

00:40:35.640 I'm not arguing for pollution.

00:40:37.800 I'm a guy who, a bicycle every day.

00:40:40.620 I like earth.

00:40:41.400 A Berkeley graduate that bicycles every day and writes books about nutrition.

00:40:45.460 Right.

00:40:45.780 Believe me.

00:40:46.440 I hate pollution.

00:40:47.200 Is the original.

00:40:48.040 I mean, the guy who's inspired so much of what Trump is advancing today.

00:40:51.440 Well, let's talk about that, if you want.

00:40:53.180 Let's talk about Trump and Trumpism.

00:40:55.320 But don't you, and before that, though, because to be fair on the climate issue, I mean, but you'll acknowledge.

00:41:00.500 I mean, seriously, just, you know, you've got your Northern California guy.

00:41:04.680 You go up to Lake Tahoe, just the snow levels.

00:41:07.760 I mean, there's some trend lines here that are understandable headlines, right?

00:41:11.400 Yes, but climate's been changing for millennia.

00:41:13.320 Okay.

00:41:13.640 But you'll acknowledge it's changing.

00:41:15.180 Well, wait a minute, but it's not changing in the direction you think it is.

00:41:17.680 Okay.

00:41:18.000 We're actually entering a little ice period.

00:41:22.240 Right.

00:41:22.720 People don't study history long, and in geological history.

00:41:25.980 Right.

00:41:26.200 We're actually entering a cold phase, not a hot phase.

00:41:28.900 So climate, remember in the Middle Ages, the 1500s, it was very cold in Europe.

00:41:34.400 Read about that.

00:41:35.160 I mean, I got to read about that.

00:41:35.480 You weren't around.

00:41:36.360 Yeah, it wasn't, yeah.

00:41:37.140 But it was frozen.

00:41:38.800 England was frozen.

00:41:39.540 All of the Dickens novels set in the snowy London.

00:41:41.980 Sure, sure.

00:41:42.360 Because a cold wave came through England.

00:41:44.160 It was a cold, a little ice age, it was called.

00:41:46.080 Yeah.

00:41:46.340 We're entering a small little ice period on the Earth, not the opposite.

00:41:49.880 So there's a lot more to the science.

00:41:52.000 If you could let me sit down, and I'll show you data, and your scientists, they're not going

00:41:55.580 to want to hear it, because people don't want to look at science.

00:41:58.900 They only want their doxies supported by the science they approve of.

00:42:03.480 Yeah.

00:42:03.820 No, I mean, look, you don't have to believe in science, but I do.

00:42:07.600 I joked about believing your own eyes.

00:42:09.600 I mean, places, lifestyles, traditions, communities being wiped off the map.

00:42:14.400 We had a three-year historic drought, the most significant drought, California's history

00:42:18.880 drought since statehood.

00:42:21.040 And it ended in three weeks with the wettest three weeks since statehood.

00:42:25.540 Correct.

00:42:26.040 The wettest.

00:42:26.380 The wettest.

00:42:26.700 Because nature always corrects itself.

00:42:28.580 The wettest extreme weather.

00:42:30.880 Gavin, come on.

00:42:31.860 Nature corrects itself.

00:42:33.380 I'll tell you something.

00:42:34.440 She does last bats a thousand.

00:42:36.060 Chemistry, biology, physics.

00:42:37.480 That's all Mother Nature is.

00:42:38.780 I'll agree with you on that.

00:42:39.780 But Gavin, listen.

00:42:40.640 In 1872, it was so hot in the state of California, before there was the first internal combustion

00:42:45.980 engine, 1872, the cornfields exploded in the Sacramento Valley from a heat wave.

00:42:51.700 All right.

00:42:52.180 No cars.

00:42:52.820 No real factories yet, because the climate was changing because it always changes.

00:43:00.120 Now, having said that, I'm not arguing for pollution.

00:43:04.700 It's a form of theft in my mind.

00:43:06.580 You know why I moved from New York?

00:43:08.140 Pollution.

00:43:09.160 I left New York in the 60s to get away from the poll.

00:43:11.700 I would be dead if I had stayed here.

00:43:12.940 By the way, in 1967, Ronald Reagan, then governor, agreed with you.

00:43:16.500 He created the California Air Resources Board because of the smog in L.A.

00:43:20.560 Good for him.

00:43:20.940 He wanted to clean the air, Clean Air Act, 1970.

00:43:23.920 Did he do it?

00:43:24.440 And our waiver was caught up.

00:43:25.580 That's what Trump's attacking right now.

00:43:27.680 There's that beautiful picture of Reagan in the Oval looking down at President Trump

00:43:31.860 as he vandalizes Reagan and Nixon's leadership on clean air.

00:43:34.840 I'm not going to join you in attacking Trump on this podcast, even though you would like

00:43:39.420 me to.

00:43:39.880 No, we're getting along, Trump.

00:43:41.680 You and Trump.

00:43:42.080 Well, here's a question.

00:43:42.680 We spent an hour and a half, but he's, look.

00:43:44.080 How can you ask him for $300 billion to rebuild California and spend $50 million attacking

00:43:49.800 him?

00:43:50.020 How is that possible?

00:43:50.440 We didn't spend $50 million attacking him.

00:43:51.820 We hope we don't use a penny of it.

00:43:53.160 We were involved in 122 lawsuits in the last Trump administration.

00:43:58.140 I was only involved in two years of that.

00:43:59.800 Governor Brown, who you know well, I've had on your show over the years, was involved.

00:44:03.680 I think I did years ago.

00:44:04.720 Years ago.

00:44:05.320 Yeah.

00:44:05.460 And I say that only to make the point that you're always someone that reaches out.

00:44:09.040 And I've always appreciated that.

00:44:11.160 I had Nancy Pelosi on my radio show.

00:44:13.600 Proving the point.

00:44:14.400 Nobody would know it.

00:44:15.360 I know.

00:44:15.740 I had Charles Schumer on my radio show years ago.

00:44:18.180 No one knows that.

00:44:19.200 See?

00:44:19.940 You know why?

00:44:20.700 Why?

00:44:20.900 Politics makes strange bedfellows.

00:44:23.320 That's why we're here.

00:44:24.620 I know.

00:44:25.180 And we're having a civil conversation.

00:44:26.580 So we're, look, we didn't put that money up to go after proactively, Trump.

00:44:30.220 We're doing to protect Ronald Reagan's leadership at the California Resource Board.

00:44:34.500 If you make that point, if you want.

00:44:36.060 Now, look, on the environment, I can guarantee you that on the environment, Trump and I don't

00:44:40.900 get along.

00:44:41.880 I can guarantee you.

00:44:42.880 Yeah.

00:44:43.320 We knew that in the last administration.

00:44:45.100 And in fact, I can tell you a story about it if you'd like to hear it.

00:44:47.400 I was on Air Force One with him in the flying Oval Office.

00:44:51.200 I won't tell you the long story, but we flew out of Moffett Field to LA to a fundraiser.

00:44:54.900 I got on at the last minute.

00:44:56.840 And he didn't like me because I was criticizing him on the radio about his environmental policies.

00:45:01.860 I'm led into the Oval Office.

00:45:05.400 I was led on the plane at almost the last minute.

00:45:07.860 And the guy, I won't tell you who got me on.

00:45:09.120 He said, it takes months for clearance.

00:45:10.620 We got you on.

00:45:12.100 So he gets me on.

00:45:13.200 I'm on the plane and they have a buffet.

00:45:16.080 And I tend to like wine.

00:45:17.760 And I was, I hadn't drank.

00:45:18.860 So I started drinking wine.

00:45:19.800 They have wine on Trump's Air Force One.

00:45:21.860 He doesn't drink, by the way.

00:45:22.820 No, I know.

00:45:23.500 Yeah.

00:45:23.980 I didn't think I'd be meeting him.

00:45:25.200 I thought I was just getting a ride down to LA for another fundraiser.

00:45:28.340 And all of a sudden, after I had three glasses of wine, they said, he'll see you now.

00:45:33.120 I said, shit, now?

00:45:35.280 So I said, okay.

00:45:36.640 So they bring me in.

00:45:37.880 I swear to God, he's sitting in the most powerful chair in the world.

00:45:41.200 And the minute I walked through the door, he looks at the guy who brings me in.

00:45:43.780 He says, he doesn't look at me.

00:45:44.920 He says, what is he doing here?

00:45:47.460 Points at me like I'm a non-person.

00:45:49.440 But I'm from Queens on the other side of Union Turnpike.

00:45:52.100 And I know how he works.

00:45:54.120 So he sits, he goes like this, like, bring the Hebrew in, you know, sit him down.

00:45:57.560 The king.

00:45:58.780 So he sits me down.

00:46:00.540 And I say, he says, what are you doing here?

00:46:03.000 Because he knew I was critical of him on animals and the environment.

00:46:05.920 I said, Donald, you need me.

00:46:08.240 He says, I don't need you.

00:46:09.540 I said, come on, knock it off.

00:46:11.200 You have Hannity in your back pocket like a sock puppet.

00:46:14.480 I said, they all kiss your ass.

00:46:17.180 I said, you need me because I speak to the educated people out there who want the environment

00:46:22.620 protected.

00:46:23.160 I don't need you.

00:46:24.000 And went on and on.

00:46:25.180 But you know, Gavin, after that, we settled down.

00:46:27.400 We had a 15-minute flight.

00:46:29.240 His valet brings out two hot dogs.

00:46:31.020 They were kosher, by the way.

00:46:32.060 And I'm not kosher.

00:46:32.740 And I'm starving because I didn't eat all day.

00:46:34.980 Show you how sensitive he is.

00:46:36.060 You've met the man.

00:46:36.940 Oh, many times.

00:46:37.600 And he looks in my eyes.

00:46:38.640 And he sees my eyes dart onto the hot dogs.

00:46:40.700 And he looks at me.

00:46:41.280 And he says, do you want one?

00:46:42.760 The most powerful man in the world holds up a tray and asks me, I'll take one of his two

00:46:47.780 hot dogs.

00:46:48.540 Being from New York, I said, sure.

00:46:50.480 Now, last point, he's not a bad guy.

00:46:52.780 He says to me, mustard or ketchup?

00:46:56.040 Well, that's obvious, right?

00:46:57.640 No, I said-

00:46:58.220 You tell me you're a mustard guy.

00:46:59.120 I'm a mustard guy.

00:46:59.760 Thank God.

00:47:00.300 But he put it on my hot dog.

00:47:02.140 So what is the point?

00:47:03.400 The point is that he's actually a very sensitive guy to other people.

00:47:06.700 I agree.

00:47:07.120 By the way, you are as well.

00:47:08.720 But I've always felt that about you.

00:47:10.540 I am.

00:47:10.900 That's a compliment.

00:47:11.760 30 years ago, you came to a Thanksgiving party.

00:47:14.420 Yes.

00:47:14.540 I had a Schroeder's restaurant.

00:47:15.540 Was it 30 years ago?

00:47:16.580 Gavin, I know.

00:47:17.060 Geez, we know.

00:47:17.640 Okay, I said two decades.

00:47:18.920 It's been three or plus.

00:47:19.460 Well, okay.

00:47:20.140 I started the radio in 94.

00:47:22.100 Ray Taliaferro, which you can't even make up.

00:47:24.760 You subbed for Ray Talia, who was a liberal lion back in the day, late, late night.

00:47:29.720 Remember that?

00:47:30.260 KGO.

00:47:30.400 Late, late night.

00:47:31.120 KGO Ray.

00:47:31.760 But then you-

00:47:32.280 And so that was obviously such a success.

00:47:35.020 And obviously, you woke a lot of people up.

00:47:38.180 It wasn't a success.

00:47:39.400 What happened was-

00:47:40.900 The program director asked me to fill in for a guy on KGO I never listened to because I'm

00:47:45.760 not up in the middle of the night.

00:47:47.060 So I figured, yeah, I'll do radio.

00:47:48.300 So I go on KGO at night.

00:47:50.940 I didn't even know who he was.

00:47:52.140 And I start talking about stuff that I believe in.

00:47:54.260 And people were calling the most hateful calls I ever had in my life.

00:47:58.020 I drove home that night to my family.

00:48:00.040 I was shaking, looking in the rearview mirror.

00:48:01.980 I was scared someone was going to kill me.

00:48:03.840 You literally saw for Ray Talia Farrell.

00:48:05.560 I mean, I'm talking about left.

00:48:06.660 I mean, Bernie Sanders is a right-wing conservative.

00:48:08.700 I don't even mention his name.

00:48:09.960 No, to compare it to Ray Talia Farrell.

00:48:12.680 And he's sort of dominant.

00:48:13.860 But so you got your own show the next year.

00:48:15.520 No, no.

00:48:15.800 I went home and I said to my wife, I'm never going to do radio again as long as I live.

00:48:19.180 It was the most hateful experience of my life.

00:48:21.180 I'm not doing it again.

00:48:22.320 But next day, the phone rings.

00:48:25.560 And the rest is history.

00:48:26.780 She begged me to do it again.

00:48:27.840 I said, I'll never do that show again.

00:48:29.480 And I'll never do an overnight show again.

00:48:31.380 And before long, they created KSFO, the conservative alternative.

00:48:34.600 They made me the afternoon drive host.

00:48:36.660 And of course, it took off from there.

00:48:38.540 Then I became syndicated.

00:48:39.720 But not just took off.

00:48:40.700 I mean, you had, what, 9 million listeners?

00:48:43.360 Probably closer to 20 million listeners at the peak.

00:48:46.260 So, I mean, you were the, I mean, you talk about this whole space.

00:48:49.620 I mean, we, and you know, how everything's changed.

00:48:52.280 You've got your podcast now radio, but you dominated this space.

00:48:55.860 Well, Rush was number one.

00:48:57.660 It was you, Rush.

00:48:58.860 Rush, Hannity, and Savage.

00:49:00.180 And Hattie.

00:49:00.980 Yeah.

00:49:01.480 Yeah.

00:49:02.000 But Hannity has no intellect.

00:49:04.220 Rush, I won't say a word about because he's deceased.

00:49:06.440 Yeah.

00:49:06.740 I won't talk about the dead.

00:49:07.920 You've never been shy about criticizing.

00:49:10.420 Anybody.

00:49:11.060 Anybody.

00:49:11.380 Including myself.

00:49:12.480 Including, are you good about your good stuff?

00:49:14.120 But I don't want to, you, I mean, I, I love, I, even Joe, even Joe Rogan, which is

00:49:18.580 interesting, called him a meathead.

00:49:20.300 Yeah.

00:49:20.420 Well, unfortunately he is a bit of a meathead.

00:49:22.680 I mean, look, you can't argue with success.

00:49:25.380 No.

00:49:25.840 And the fact is, is that he's the most number one, biggest podcaster in the country, but

00:49:29.220 ask yourself a question.

00:49:30.560 Why hasn't he had me on?

00:49:32.880 Why?

00:49:33.360 I don't, because he's afraid to talk to me.

00:49:35.660 He's had people you've never heard of on that podcast.

00:49:37.860 Understatement.

00:49:38.340 Most I haven't.

00:49:39.520 I don't, I don't listen to it, but you know, it's a, I don't have the time.

00:49:42.420 Look, I had Tucker Carlson on my first TV show on Newsmax four weeks ago, which was

00:49:48.240 a shock.

00:49:49.280 Why?

00:49:49.540 Because he hadn't been back on TV in a while.

00:49:51.560 I didn't think Tucker would do an interview.

00:49:54.140 Number one.

00:49:54.860 Interesting.

00:49:55.300 He's a giant.

00:49:56.260 Okay.

00:49:56.660 In the field.

00:49:57.180 I agree with that.

00:49:57.460 I agree.

00:49:57.980 And Tucker always liked me.

00:49:59.280 I ran into him in San Francisco in a studio.

00:50:01.200 We were crossing, doing a show.

00:50:02.880 Yeah.

00:50:03.160 He was very friendly to me.

00:50:04.040 Then never talked to me again.

00:50:05.580 And I invited him on my TV show and he shockingly said yes.

00:50:09.440 And he's a very congenial, intelligent man.

00:50:11.480 You like him.

00:50:12.260 He, I appreciate it.

00:50:13.180 But you don't like Glenn Beck.

00:50:14.280 You called him, what are you, hemorrhoids with eyes?

00:50:16.060 Well, I believe that was then.

00:50:17.500 I don't use those terms anymore.

00:50:19.080 I become older and wiser.

00:50:20.480 You're older and wiser.

00:50:21.580 But Gavin, you know, you should have Tucker on.

00:50:23.980 He's very smart.

00:50:24.820 I don't, I agree.

00:50:26.340 I think, no, I'm fascinated by Tucker.

00:50:28.400 But I'm fascinated by.

00:50:29.760 Well, he's a liberal at heart.

00:50:31.280 You know, he's, people don't remember Tucker had a bow tie and was on MSNBC.

00:50:35.620 Do you remember that?

00:50:36.180 You had a three month show on MSNBC.

00:50:38.800 People can't believe that either.

00:50:40.340 Jesus.

00:50:40.580 I remember that.

00:50:41.180 I was watching you every night.

00:50:42.500 Did you see the night I uploaded?

00:50:44.160 That was, well, you expressed a strong opinion that was not necessarily shared by many.

00:50:49.600 It was a prank caller, I recall.

00:50:51.360 Do you, it was a prank caller.

00:50:52.920 They had the power to control it by cutting it and editing it out.

00:50:56.740 And they let it run because they, I was undermined by the team.

00:50:59.600 Watch out for your team, Gavin.

00:51:00.800 I was told in the media from the beginning, it's always the people who run the cameras,

00:51:04.200 the lights and the microphones will control your future.

00:51:08.040 But it's amazing your resilience.

00:51:09.740 But more importantly, I want to go back though.

00:51:11.380 You dominated this space.

00:51:13.760 And so basically, and you're still at it to the point.

00:51:16.700 You don't need to do this.

00:51:17.900 Obviously, you love doing it.

00:51:20.200 You're entertaining as hell.

00:51:22.200 It's not all just political punjury.

00:51:24.240 I'm edutainment.

00:51:25.780 Let's say there's a-

00:51:26.500 You edutainment?

00:51:27.380 Is that how you describe it?

00:51:28.440 Is it?

00:51:28.920 I mean, and has that been the secret sauce?

00:51:30.820 It's, I mean, facts, sure.

00:51:32.400 But I mean, you're talking about what you're eating.

00:51:34.780 You're talking about recipes.

00:51:36.920 That was the fun part of my radio stuff.

00:51:40.480 But on YouTube, I do cooking shows at night in my house where I can curse politicians.

00:51:45.280 So if I'm cooking, if I'm cooking my calamari or my shrimp at night on my pan and the camera's

00:51:50.300 on me, and I say, this shrimp has more integrity than Joe Biden.

00:51:54.720 And I'm not kidding.

00:51:56.140 At least, you know, it's a shrimp and where it came from.

00:51:59.060 But okay, but I would use cooking as a foil.

00:52:01.100 It's a lot of fun.

00:52:01.920 Dude, so what do you make of today?

00:52:03.440 What do you make of the Charlie Kirk types?

00:52:05.080 And Tucker, I mean, all these folks, these new platforms, hundreds of, I mean, they seem

00:52:10.260 to be profoundly influential in sort of building off the craft you sort of led decades and

00:52:17.620 decades ago.

00:52:18.140 I mean, you were, you're sort of the, oh, forgive the frame, but it's the OG of so much

00:52:22.580 what existed today.

00:52:23.220 What does OG mean?

00:52:23.740 Well, just sort of, well, in the vernacular of, you know, original gangster.

00:52:28.940 Oh, God, yeah.

00:52:30.060 All right.

00:52:30.340 You know, I mean, I'm using, you know, just some language that people can appreciate.

00:52:34.880 Now I understand.

00:52:35.700 Yeah.

00:52:35.780 No, but I mean, literally, it's the world you invented.

00:52:38.500 I didn't invent it.

00:52:39.660 It existed before me.

00:52:40.660 There was talk radio in New York.

00:52:42.020 I never listened to it, by the way.

00:52:43.320 Yeah.

00:52:43.740 I was not that interested.

00:52:44.620 But you took it to another level.

00:52:46.480 Because I introduced a level of education and knowledge and personality that never existed.

00:52:52.440 People are not willing to talk about their daily.

00:52:54.600 So if I would walk in San Francisco and I'd go in a restaurant, I eat a lot of cheap Chinese

00:52:59.220 restaurants, which I love.

00:53:00.420 I would talk about the meal.

00:53:01.760 Yeah.

00:53:02.100 And people were interested in the meal.

00:53:03.880 Yeah.

00:53:04.620 As much as they were in the politics, if not more so, right?

00:53:07.440 And you'd also, as you're walking the streets, express your point of view about the politics.

00:53:11.580 Let's talk about San Francisco, Gavin, please.

00:53:13.960 I love the city.

00:53:14.820 I don't go over the bridge anymore.

00:53:16.720 Well, I mean, you should.

00:53:18.760 City's coming back.

00:53:19.820 City's coming back.

00:53:20.680 City's coming back.

00:53:21.440 About 10 years ago, I was in North Beach.

00:53:23.660 North Beach restaurant, just real.

00:53:25.160 So that's another conversation.

00:53:26.600 In November, they called me when I was in Florida, the new owners.

00:53:29.300 Do you know them?

00:53:29.760 Yes.

00:53:30.420 And he asked me to come in.

00:53:31.480 He said, we know how important you are to this restaurant.

00:53:33.800 By the way, I have three novels here.

00:53:35.520 That restaurant's featured in three of them.

00:53:37.080 I love it.

00:53:38.020 So I'm sitting in North Beach, having dinner.

00:53:40.720 A man comes by, if you want to call him that, takes his pants down and defecates outside

00:53:44.520 the window in the street.

00:53:45.640 Yeah.

00:53:46.260 Not acceptable.

00:53:46.720 Without civility, there could be no civil order in a country.

00:53:50.140 I agree with you.

00:53:50.560 This shouldn't be permitted.

00:53:51.480 It's not acceptable.

00:53:52.600 Nor are the encampments.

00:53:53.500 Nor are the tents.

00:53:54.280 I couldn't agree with you.

00:53:54.660 I mean, how do you-

00:53:55.660 We're driving accountability.

00:53:57.100 We're driving-

00:53:57.380 How do you not crack down on these?

00:54:00.540 Well, remember, I did Care Not Cash.

00:54:02.800 My body was burning effigy.

00:54:04.180 It became the defining issues.

00:54:06.000 When I was mayor, we reduced the street population by third.

00:54:10.240 Why are they still there?

00:54:11.080 We reduced the overall population.

00:54:11.920 Well, it's not a static environment.

00:54:13.980 I wasn't mayor.

00:54:14.760 It's been decade plus, decade and a half.

00:54:17.380 I'm the governor, but I'm not the mayor of California.

00:54:20.180 And I want to see accountability at every level of government.

00:54:23.060 But the state vision is realized, look, it is turning around.

00:54:27.760 I still don't go there that often.

00:54:29.420 Oh, you got to-

00:54:30.220 Well, I go in-

00:54:30.900 The neighborhoods are thriving in San Francisco.

00:54:33.100 I'll go in with Romero as my body part.

00:54:34.780 You got a new mayor, and they're-

00:54:38.160 She's great.

00:54:38.960 He's pretty-

00:54:39.820 Daniel Lurie.

00:54:40.540 Incentrist, isn't he?

00:54:41.140 Yes.

00:54:41.500 And he's cracked down on the tents and the encampments, and you're seeing progress.

00:54:45.440 And we're starting to see that across the state.

00:54:46.540 Well, I hope I live long enough to eat in San Francisco again.

00:54:49.080 I mean, come on.

00:54:49.800 You love eating in San Francisco.

00:54:52.400 Skomas and the war fairies.

00:54:53.340 Never ate Skomas in my life.

00:54:54.880 You never did?

00:54:55.480 Okay, I made it up.

00:54:56.520 We should go to dinner in the North Beach restaurant.

00:54:58.440 We have to.

00:54:59.020 Let's go in when you're ready for it, and then I'll tell the story on my podcast.

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00:59:21.760 So, Gavin, the homeless thing is the turning point.

00:59:24.600 When that man defecated outside the window, that was the beginning of the end of San Francisco,

00:59:28.340 not only for me, but for the whole city, because the cops couldn't do anything about it.

00:59:33.200 Their hands were tied by this small band of radical left-wingers who are saying they're sacred.

00:59:40.120 You can't touch them.

00:59:41.300 Yeah.

00:59:41.700 I mean, look, when I was there, when I was mayor, you may recall this.

00:59:44.920 I did a sit-lie ordinance.

00:59:46.120 I did this anti-panhandling ordinance.

00:59:48.240 I did care, not cash, converting welfare checks to services and accountability.

00:59:52.480 We saw real progress.

00:59:54.020 I've been very aggressive on encampments.

00:59:56.480 Just did a new executive order in the state.

00:59:58.860 And we're flooding the zone with state support in a way we've never done in the past.

01:00:02.220 When I got there, Michael, this is important.

01:00:04.300 There was never a governor that actually, there was no homeless plan in the state of California.

01:00:08.300 There was no support for cities and counties.

01:00:10.100 And it felt that way.

01:00:11.360 We had, under Schwarzenegger, it's not a knock on Arnold, but it goes back to 2005, we had 188,000 homeless in California.

01:00:20.380 It's not new what's happened now.

01:00:21.760 No, but wait, it got, it metastasized into a cancer that took over the hospital.

01:00:25.140 Especially during COVID and what's happening in the streets.

01:00:27.900 Well, we're blaming COVID.

01:00:29.080 But, you know, no civil society would tolerate this, Gavin.

01:00:32.080 And here's my position on it.

01:00:33.960 And it's something you're not going to like to hear.

01:00:35.960 There is a solution to the homeless problem, which is end it.

01:00:38.740 Well, you build camps for them in places outside cities, and you give them the care that they need against their will.

01:00:46.800 You don't let them shoot up in the streets.

01:00:48.780 You don't let them defecate or urinate or beat up old women in the streets.

01:00:52.460 You take them off the streets.

01:00:54.280 Yeah, I agree with focus.

01:00:56.020 I 100% agree broadly with that sentiment in terms of coercion.

01:01:01.060 Just so you know, we just did two major reforms.

01:01:03.920 We've had all these old conservatorship laws that are weak.

01:01:07.960 We finally have strengthened the conservatorship law so we can begin to get people off the streets.

01:01:13.160 We also established a new paradigm called care court, which is a whole new strategy to also help in advance to address that subset of people.

01:01:20.480 And we did the most significant mental health reforms and investments in states' history.

01:01:26.000 Those resources are going out to do regional centers along the lines of what you're suggesting.

01:01:31.500 Taking them against their will.

01:01:32.280 A different paradigm of thinking, more supportive care as opposed to substituted care in the vernacular of all the quote-unquote experts.

01:01:41.200 And we're trying to make up for this, and you'll appreciate this as a Californian.

01:01:45.620 In 1959, at peak, 1959, California had 37,000 mental health beds.

01:01:52.860 Today, 5,500.

01:01:54.820 Correct.

01:01:55.000 Oh, you're agreeing re-opening mental hospitals?

01:01:57.760 No, no, for double the population today.

01:02:00.520 So we had half the population in the late 50s and 60s.

01:02:03.600 Yes, of course.

01:02:04.360 And we had 37,000.

01:02:05.680 So what we're doing, we just did this initiative, Proposition 1, to provide 6,000 plus new units that were all throughout the state and were regionalizing along the lines of what you're saying.

01:02:17.680 Mental hospitals, little-

01:02:19.100 Literally, behavioral health, substance abuse, mental health, and literally, it's the biggest investments in U.S. history, biggest investments-

01:02:26.760 But do they have to comply?

01:02:28.400 That's what the conservatorship reform, SB 43, was about.

01:02:31.760 That's what our care court is about, and we-

01:02:35.100 So if a guy defecates outside a restaurant window, a cop can arrest him and send him to one of these facilities?

01:02:39.280 Well, they can refer them through the care court.

01:02:41.300 In fact, a police officer, quite literally now, because of my care court, can refer.

01:02:45.880 In the past, they could not refer that individual.

01:02:47.620 Well, I hope it works.

01:02:48.720 Look, we all have a lot at stake in this state and in this city.

01:02:52.400 It's why I don't leave, because I still love the state and the city.

01:02:57.040 But if it's intolerable, at a certain point, everyone will leave.

01:03:00.600 100%.

01:03:00.880 And businesses are leaving.

01:03:02.220 It's interesting.

01:03:02.860 Well, we have more Fortune 500 companies than any time in the last decade.

01:03:06.560 But why did they kick SpaceX out?

01:03:08.260 Why would you take-

01:03:08.980 SpaceX is not being kicked out.

01:03:10.200 Well, they can't launch their rockets because of the Coastal Commission.

01:03:12.800 And you saw, what did I do?

01:03:14.740 I joined in the law.

01:03:16.180 I literally said, I'm with Elon Musk attacking the Coastal Commission.

01:03:21.260 I couldn't have been.

01:03:22.180 I was very vocal on that.

01:03:23.300 It was unacceptable.

01:03:24.400 You were a realist.

01:03:24.860 We had 51 launches last year, which is a record since 1974.

01:03:28.820 Why would you not want a rocket company in California?

01:03:31.720 Come on.

01:03:31.960 We have the Mojave Desert.

01:03:33.000 We have Vandenberg.

01:03:33.740 And we have Rocket Beach, which is Long Beach.

01:03:36.600 We're starting to dominate in this space.

01:03:38.420 I hope so.

01:03:38.900 And we have record-breaking launches out of Vandenberg.

01:03:42.360 We're making with relativity, not just SpaceX, all of these-

01:03:45.700 You don't want to go to Mars, do you?

01:03:47.600 I'm not personally.

01:03:48.460 I think a lot of people like Elon want me to go to Mars for the wrong reasons.

01:03:52.080 I don't even want to go over the bridge.

01:03:53.580 So let's talk one, and we're out of time, but I want to just, before we're done, I do want

01:03:59.400 to talk about Trump and Trumpism.

01:04:00.740 You have to be pretty proud that the issue is a border in language and culture.

01:04:04.600 I mean, the president just came out saying English is the language-

01:04:09.280 That's right out of my mantra.

01:04:10.520 Right.

01:04:10.760 I mean, this is stuff you've been preaching for decades.

01:04:12.840 Salon Magazine, left-wing magazine, a number of years ago when Trump was president, wrote

01:04:18.880 an article called The Father of Trump-a-mania, and it was about Michael Savage.

01:04:22.620 Yeah.

01:04:22.900 And it was sort of middle ground, wasn't attacking.

01:04:26.180 Right.

01:04:26.380 And I was told by one of his chief architects, who I will not mention, shortly after he was

01:04:31.380 elected the first time, he visited me in my home in Florida, and he said, Michael, we

01:04:35.720 took all of your books, we made talking points, he ran on your platform.

01:04:42.420 I said, okay, fine, because I know he was a liberal when he was young in New York.

01:04:45.420 I was a social worker and a Democrat, so people change.

01:04:49.400 One day you may be a conservative without even knowing it.

01:04:52.640 But no, but Gavin, so yeah, I'm the father of a lot of what he's doing.

01:04:55.840 I was honored to see Borders, but no one's called me from the White House and said, we

01:04:58.960 want to give you the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

01:05:00.760 Interesting.

01:05:01.100 We recognize that you did this.

01:05:02.900 We think you're great.

01:05:03.680 No one's called me.

01:05:04.180 Why do you think that's the case?

01:05:05.420 It's interesting, because in every political entity, there are politics.

01:05:10.640 I'm not involved at all with the in crowd.

01:05:14.120 I don't know them.

01:05:15.600 You mentioned Charlie Kirk.

01:05:17.000 Yeah.

01:05:17.960 You don't know.

01:05:18.400 They have all of these CPACs.

01:05:20.020 I've never spoken at any of these events.

01:05:21.820 You know what?

01:05:22.120 I didn't.

01:05:22.420 Think about that.

01:05:23.840 You haven't.

01:05:24.520 Do you have the equivalent of a Presidential Medal of Freedom in the state of California?

01:05:27.820 We do at California Hall of Fame.

01:05:29.900 Why am I not in it?

01:05:30.640 You are in the Radio Hall of Fame.

01:05:32.300 I'm in the National Radio Hall of Fame, but why am I?

01:05:35.120 Okay.

01:05:35.900 You know, Gavin.

01:05:36.660 It's, by the way, thank you for asking that question.

01:05:38.660 It's a good question.

01:05:39.340 I should be in it.

01:05:40.360 I'm actually in it.

01:05:40.960 You want things to be lit up?

01:05:42.500 You want me to-

01:05:43.080 I want a billboard on the highway again.

01:05:44.620 I'm going to announce you in the California Hall of Fame.

01:05:46.760 That will light things up, Mr. Savage.

01:05:48.940 But I deserve it.

01:05:49.800 I came here in 74.

01:05:51.140 Look what I've done in this state.

01:05:52.380 No, it's unbelievable.

01:05:53.520 And you haven't left the state.

01:05:54.480 For a lot of these guys, turn their back on California as they're attacking it.

01:05:58.000 You haven't.

01:05:58.560 So I admire that.

01:05:59.340 I do.

01:05:59.680 I mean that sincerely.

01:06:00.000 Well, I don't have to agree with you nor you with me for us to sit and have a civilized

01:06:03.860 conversation.

01:06:04.540 It's the only way we're going to solve the problems of the state and the country.

01:06:07.340 That's right.

01:06:07.560 And I feel the same thing about the country itself.

01:06:10.160 The left and the right are at each other's throats.

01:06:12.200 They hate each other.

01:06:12.860 And they would like me to have been on this podcast and be screaming and yelling like a

01:06:16.240 foaming idiot.

01:06:17.060 We get nowhere with that.

01:06:18.560 No.

01:06:18.680 It's idiotic.

01:06:19.720 Yeah.

01:06:19.980 And no, and the whole point of this is not to have those conversations because those I

01:06:23.540 can hear 24-7 on Spotify.

01:06:26.260 It's bad for my health, number one.

01:06:27.820 And I don't feel like that gets us anywhere.

01:06:29.600 But before we leave, you brought up Trump and the borders language culture.

01:06:33.440 And then you brought up the things, you know, I have to thank you for the Bancroft Library

01:06:39.500 and the Jepsen Arbarium.

01:06:41.000 I think this should be in your podcast because people say, why are you so nice to Gavin Newsom?

01:06:46.340 Well, I'm not that nice to Gavin Newsom.

01:06:48.440 I just don't go out of my way to insult people just for the sake of sounding like an idiot.

01:06:52.920 So a lot of people do.

01:06:54.760 Okay.

01:06:55.320 I reached out to you about five years ago.

01:06:57.740 Yeah.

01:06:57.960 And I said that I have, the University of Texas is interested in collecting all of my

01:07:03.100 writings, all of my manuscripts, my journals.

01:07:06.760 And I said, they really naturally belong here in California.

01:07:09.320 And you reached out and through the chain, the Bancroft Library came back to me.

01:07:14.120 And they spent two years with me in my archives, taking all of my correspondence, my writings.

01:07:20.280 And, you know, they have the largest collection of Mark Twain papers in the world.

01:07:23.760 And I said to the librarian, it was a lovely lady.

01:07:25.780 I said, don't you feel a little uncomfortable that I'm so-called a conservative?

01:07:28.860 She said, Michael, we're not here to judge politics.

01:07:31.420 We have conservative authors who are Californians, liberal authors who are Californians.

01:07:35.720 And she said, you have done so much in your life.

01:07:38.600 She said, you have three phases.

01:07:40.280 You're a poet and a novelist.

01:07:41.840 Then you were a botanist and a nutrition writer.

01:07:43.900 Then you're a payment political writer.

01:07:45.340 And she said, we need that in our library.

01:07:47.820 And then I have a collection of medicinal plants, Gavin.

01:07:50.640 They're in the Jepsen Herbarium.

01:07:52.480 They're in seven herbaria around the world.

01:07:54.640 Jepsen is one.

01:07:56.480 These are the plants I collect, the medicinal plants.

01:07:58.320 Yeah.

01:07:58.680 You know where else they are?

01:07:59.760 Where?

01:08:00.120 Moscow Herbarium.

01:08:01.360 I've never been there.

01:08:02.760 Kew Gardens, London.

01:08:04.160 New York Botanical Garden.

01:08:05.440 Chicago Herbarium.

01:08:07.040 And the Honolulu Bishop Museum.

01:08:08.900 So we have a rare collection of all my collections in the Jepsen Herbarium.

01:08:13.060 Again, this is for scientists to look at for ages.

01:08:16.560 And it's here.

01:08:17.100 And I want to thank you for opening the doors.

01:08:19.180 Because another governor just said, you know, go pound sand.

01:08:21.840 I'm not interested.

01:08:22.440 No, I appreciate it.

01:08:23.620 And it was an honor to be however helpful.

01:08:26.160 I don't know how much helpful.

01:08:27.700 I mean, this was on all of it, on the merits substantively and everyone doing the right

01:08:33.100 thing.

01:08:33.380 But when they don't do the right thing, I call it out.

01:08:35.280 I can't stand cancel culture.

01:08:36.680 I love free speech.

01:08:37.540 I can't stand when someone people, I remember Bill Maher was going to Berkeley or something.

01:08:42.320 And they said, Bill's too conservative and too controversial.

01:08:44.960 I've never liked that.

01:08:46.060 Called it out then.

01:08:46.860 We'll continue to.

01:08:47.880 So I don't think anyone served in that respect.

01:08:50.440 All these banning and cultural purges that people have been on are unhelpful.

01:08:54.720 Not even the Mao cultural, the Mao Zedong.

01:08:57.140 No, I think a lot of people assign and attach those points of you to me.

01:09:01.920 But let me ask you in closing.

01:09:03.480 Oh, are you putting me in the California Hall of Fame?

01:09:05.960 I think you're going to put me on the spot.

01:09:07.440 By the way, you've made, you just made the most compelling case you possibly could have

01:09:12.840 for the multidimensionality here.

01:09:14.860 There are people in that Hall of Fame that have done basically one simple thing.

01:09:18.240 And here you are, 29 books, bestselling books across a spectrum of issues.

01:09:22.920 Plant collector, poet, novelist.

01:09:25.640 I know.

01:09:26.100 And you were banned from the UK.

01:09:28.200 Oh, you know that.

01:09:29.880 They called you, what, propaganda of hate or something?

01:09:32.120 What was the exact phrase?

01:09:34.140 I'm the only American author banned in Britain.

01:09:37.600 Yeah.

01:09:38.260 For things I didn't even say.

01:09:40.500 It was a terrible, terrible thing to do to me.

01:09:43.060 And I woke up that morning.

01:09:44.120 I saw it on the Drudge Report at the time.

01:09:46.100 And I said, oh my God, I'm banned in England.

01:09:48.240 So I went on the radio show and I said, God, there goes the great cuisine that they're

01:09:52.080 known for and my dental care that I was looking forward to.

01:09:54.660 So everyone loved that line.

01:09:56.500 But I think it's a terrible thing to do to me because, first of all, I didn't say the

01:10:00.660 things they said I said.

01:10:02.260 Secondly, I spent $400,000 to try to get my name off the list.

01:10:05.800 And I did not succeed.

01:10:07.280 I gave up.

01:10:07.700 I don't even care.

01:10:08.900 Still on it.

01:10:09.700 Yeah.

01:10:09.980 I can't go to England.

01:10:11.300 To this day.

01:10:11.980 I cannot enter England.

01:10:13.300 The land of the free.

01:10:14.640 The land of the Magna Carta does not let Michael Savage in, but they let

01:10:18.160 jihadists run around screaming, kill the queen.

01:10:22.840 I'm not going to argue with that.

01:10:23.880 Do you know Stormer?

01:10:24.720 I don't know.

01:10:25.660 I think we may have to bring it up.

01:10:27.200 Have you met Stormer?

01:10:27.600 We'll have to bring it up.

01:10:28.600 We'll have to bring it up.

01:10:30.080 Let me ask you.

01:10:31.420 Get me off the list.

01:10:32.620 Let me ask you this.

01:10:33.700 Let me, if you were going to list, speaking of list, you know, Democrats, if they're not

01:10:39.480 trying to figure out what the hell just happened, they sure as hell should.

01:10:43.880 Right.

01:10:44.180 So I'm serious about this.

01:10:45.860 I'm, you know, I'm not asking for sort of a flippant, it's not a flippant question,

01:10:51.000 and I hope certainly not patronizing, but what the hell do you think our party needs to

01:10:54.800 do?

01:10:55.040 And what, what's the biggest lesson?

01:10:56.640 Seriously.

01:10:57.020 Are you really serious?

01:10:58.440 Michael Savage, we need to know.

01:11:00.820 My advice to the Democrats.

01:11:01.140 My advice to the Democratic Party.

01:11:03.200 Was it because we're too woke?

01:11:05.240 Because we didn't focus on borders?

01:11:07.240 I mean, is it, it's, what, what is.

01:11:09.680 It's really straightforward.

01:11:11.100 What is it?

01:11:11.500 It is borders, language, and culture, and the thing that triggered most of the people

01:11:15.400 who turned against the Democrat Party was this, was this incessant drumbeat going back

01:11:22.240 years, vilifying the white male, white supremacy, white supremacy, white supremacy.

01:11:28.860 Remember that?

01:11:29.340 That became a mantra of the Democrat Party.

01:11:31.320 They took all the working class white guys and said, what the fuck you basically, pardon

01:11:35.160 me.

01:11:35.680 What are you doing, man?

01:11:36.820 We work.

01:11:37.460 Look, we are also citizens.

01:11:39.960 Why are you turning us into Hitlers?

01:11:41.440 Because we're, you know, so that's what was one thing.

01:11:43.840 Then the illegals getting free care, and then the illegals voting in some municipal elections.

01:11:48.880 Those are, but the big thing was the women.

01:11:51.600 When you had people with the, right, or whatever you want to call it, the whole trans issue triggered

01:11:58.560 the women who were normally liberal, but when you have kids being brainwashed in school to

01:12:04.000 accept that stuff in kindergarten, hey, I'm a sexual libertarian.

01:12:08.720 I want to be very clear, okay?

01:12:10.020 I really don't care what people do to make themselves happy, okay?

01:12:13.780 This is not my business.

01:12:14.780 Life's very hard.

01:12:15.800 If you can be happy with someone, God bless you.

01:12:18.260 But leave the kids alone.

01:12:19.580 That's the whole point.

01:12:20.540 And when you start crossing that line into the schools, you're going to see what happened.

01:12:25.120 That's what just happened.

01:12:26.000 It was the women and the schools, I think, Gavin.

01:12:28.900 Interesting.

01:12:29.520 So, I mean, the trans issue, you thought, I mean, that was outside.

01:12:33.560 It was the children issue.

01:12:34.920 It was the children issue.

01:12:35.460 It wasn't the trans.

01:12:36.360 No one's against.

01:12:37.040 So it was the gender assignment surgeries for these minors.

01:12:40.720 Yes.

01:12:41.420 Where you felt that our party was complicit in terms of creating those conditions.

01:12:45.040 I think so.

01:12:45.860 Promoting it to some degree, you would argue?

01:12:48.700 I wouldn't even go there.

01:12:50.120 I would say that the people had had enough.

01:12:52.140 Yeah.

01:12:52.480 There were so many more important issues.

01:12:54.300 Right.

01:12:54.460 God, faith, and reason.

01:12:55.940 I mean, there's an spirit.

01:12:57.000 We didn't even get it.

01:12:57.560 Let's do another podcast in a month.

01:12:59.160 I know.

01:12:59.620 Talk about God.

01:13:00.920 Which is a big part of your life, faith.

01:13:03.760 People don't know that.

01:13:05.340 Big part.

01:13:06.040 I pray every day.

01:13:07.980 And have for decades.

01:13:09.140 You have, and you are, by the way, and then we're going to close on this.

01:13:13.720 You are ascending to a unique status.

01:13:16.860 Shocking, isn't it?

01:13:17.820 Well, no.

01:13:18.700 Tell us about it.

01:13:19.700 The president of a local Jewish community from a very orthodox group of Jewish people.

01:13:28.160 The guys that wear black, the black hat people.

01:13:30.480 They like me.

01:13:31.260 And I say to them, I'm not that religious.

01:13:32.760 Why do you want me to become reaching out to the community?

01:13:35.840 They said, you're more religious than us in some ways.

01:13:38.580 They watch my podcasts and they don't watch the media.

01:13:42.200 They know that there's a spiritual element to Michael that's palpable, that emanates,

01:13:48.100 and they like it.

01:13:49.960 It's that simple.

01:13:51.300 But does that mean I'm holier than anyone?

01:13:54.320 I am such a fallen angel, Gavin.

01:13:59.300 Well, it's good to be with another fallen angel.

01:14:02.800 I'll reach across the aisle on that one.

01:14:05.440 It's great to have you.

01:14:06.480 Michael Savage, thanks for being here with us.

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This is Gavin Newsom - March 10, 2025

And, This Is Michael Savage

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