This is Gavin Newsom


And, This is More With Dr. Phil - Is Free Speech Under Attack？


Summary

In this episode, Dr. Phil sits down with Gavin Newsom to discuss his new book, "We've Got Issues: How We Can All Be Better Together," and how we can all work together to make the world a better place.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
00:00:30.000 I realized, like, I can't look back and slow down for people.
00:00:34.600 Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:00:43.180 Camp Shane, one of America's longest-running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results.
00:00:49.540 But there were some dark truths behind Camp Shane's facade of happy, transformed children.
00:00:55.080 Nothing about that camp was right.
00:00:56.760 It was really actually like a horror movie.
00:01:00.000 Enter Camp Shame, an eight-part series examining the rise and fall of Camp Shane and the culture that fueled its decades-long success.
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00:01:21.880 Have you ever thought about going voiceover?
00:01:24.840 I'm Hope Woodard, a comedian, creator, and seeker of male validation.
00:01:30.920 I'm also the girl behind Boy Sober, the movement that exploded in 2024.
00:01:36.940 You might hear that term and think it's about celibacy.
00:01:40.180 But to me, Boy Sober is about understanding yourself outside of sex and relationships.
00:01:45.580 It's flexible.
00:01:46.460 It's customizable.
00:01:48.180 And it's a personal process.
00:01:50.380 Singleness is not a waiting room.
00:01:52.060 You are actually at the party right now.
00:01:54.520 Let me hear it.
00:01:55.920 Listen to Voice Over on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:02:01.760 A lot of times, big economic forces show up in our lives in small ways.
00:02:08.680 Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding.
00:02:11.800 But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.
00:02:15.420 Small but important ways.
00:02:17.440 From tech billionaires to the bond market to, yeah, banana pudding.
00:02:21.300 If it's happening in business, our new podcast is on it.
00:02:24.260 I'm Max Chafkin.
00:02:25.520 And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith.
00:02:26.880 So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:02:33.700 The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States.
00:02:38.300 Recipients have done the improbable, the unexpected,
00:02:41.440 showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.
00:02:47.040 This medal is for the men who went down that day.
00:02:50.620 On Medal of Honor, Stories of Courage, you'll hear about these heroes
00:02:54.560 and what their stories tell us about the nature of bravery.
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00:03:12.560 This is Gavin Newsom.
00:03:15.340 And tune in for more with Dr. Phil.
00:03:17.560 Well, look, I appreciate everything you said, but I also appreciate the spirit behind it.
00:03:27.300 And I think, look, it's one of the reasons we started this podcast.
00:03:30.120 And it's been really interesting, Dr. Phil.
00:03:32.960 It's really underscored the nature of, and you've talked a lot about cancel culture
00:03:37.500 and this incapacity to be willing to engage people you may disagree with
00:03:42.440 and, as you say, focus on the things we have in common.
00:03:45.160 But it's interesting how quick people are to judge and how quickly we are all judged.
00:03:51.700 I imagine just the response you got coming out of that Madison Square Garden rally.
00:03:58.140 I imagine just now you're sort of foray with ICE
00:04:01.660 and maybe just a little bit more into the political realm, how quick people are to judge.
00:04:06.820 And so I think it's incredibly important because divorce is not an option.
00:04:12.620 We're all in this together.
00:04:14.580 And, you know, it's becoming more and more exhausting.
00:04:18.060 And as you have rightfully highlighted, you did it in your book, We've Got Issues,
00:04:22.960 the nature of social media and algorithms and what's going on in terms of how things have become weaponized
00:04:29.220 and how we are increasingly feeling out of control, isolated, disconnected from larger sense of purpose,
00:04:35.300 meaning all the things you've been talking about in your show and the work you've been doing.
00:04:39.700 And so just on that, what more can we be doing?
00:04:43.260 What can we be doing to soften the edges of this discourse
00:04:46.880 and begin the process of being repairs, proverbially, the breach?
00:04:52.460 Do you think freedom of speech is under attack?
00:04:55.400 I think it is.
00:04:56.340 And I've made this point.
00:04:57.840 I mean, one of the reasons I have long admired Bill Maher and gone on his show a dozen times
00:05:03.120 since my mayor days is I didn't like the way he was being attacked.
00:05:07.860 The freedom of speech, his expression was being attacked on my own UC campuses.
00:05:12.780 I've watched cancel culture, never been a champion of cancel culture.
00:05:17.260 Of course, I've seen it on all sides.
00:05:18.480 We saw it with Bud Light.
00:05:19.740 We saw it with Target last year.
00:05:21.680 You know, it occurs, you know, there's boycotts all the time coming from both prisms, the political parties.
00:05:27.400 But I think it's out of control.
00:05:30.100 And I think it's something we need to push back against and we need to own up to.
00:05:34.720 You know, it seems to be worse in California than, you know, I've moved back to Texas and, you know, no place is perfect.
00:05:42.700 But, you know, I see things like, what was it, Berkeley, where Ann Coulter got canceled.
00:05:52.480 They said it was for security concerns.
00:05:55.060 You can always have security.
00:05:59.080 But that Milo guy, I can't remember his name.
00:06:01.980 I remember sort of the peak of that cancel culture.
00:06:05.640 You know, why do you think that is?
00:06:07.140 Well, when I went to school a long time ago, but we always, if somebody was coming that we disagreed with, I always wanted to go hear what they had to say.
00:06:19.800 So I had ammunition to debate them with or their positions with.
00:06:26.760 And you never grow until you disprove yourself, until you find something wrong with the way you look at it.
00:06:34.420 But it seems like in California, we've got the heckler's veto.
00:06:40.500 It's like boo them down or block them from coming.
00:06:44.080 And I see it at Berkeley, UCLA, USC.
00:06:50.580 And it just seems like, how are we ever going to broaden our perspectives if we don't get out of the bubble and at least listen to the other side?
00:07:00.440 And you may find out, that's exactly why I don't agree with that SOB.
00:07:05.840 Exactly.
00:07:06.360 You've got to hear them to do it.
00:07:08.100 I couldn't agree with you more.
00:07:09.420 It needs to be called out.
00:07:10.480 I've been trying to do what I can on that.
00:07:12.480 I mean, be candid.
00:07:13.520 That's why I've been calling out all these book bans.
00:07:15.880 4,240 books and titles were banned last year in this country.
00:07:20.840 I mean, we're censoring, you know, speech in the boardroom, not just in the classroom.
00:07:25.740 You've got folks are rewriting history.
00:07:27.560 You've talked a lot about that, but on both sides of the aisle, I mean, they were trying to, one textbook in Florida, tried to take out Rosa Parks' race and said, oh, no, she was just a woman who wanted to move, needed to move her seat.
00:07:40.640 So I think we have to own up to this.
00:07:42.880 And I think, again, there's plenty of fingers to point, or at least plenty of people that we can point to.
00:07:50.060 But all of us need to look in the mirror on this issue.
00:07:52.640 I agree with you.
00:07:53.440 Has California taken a position on transgender athletes?
00:07:57.660 I hadn't seen what the latest.
00:08:00.040 Well, it did in 2013.
00:08:02.440 In 2013, Governor Brown signed a bill allowing for people to participate.
00:08:09.680 As you know, that issue is very raw and emotional.
00:08:14.920 And it's obviously very pointed at this moment because of some state championships.
00:08:20.400 There was two bills in the California legislature, Dr. Phil, just a few weeks ago.
00:08:26.180 Neither got out of the committee to change that rule.
00:08:29.780 So it currently is law in the state of California.
00:08:33.440 And a CIF that does the intercollegiate, does all the sports, they're trying to find some accommodation that addresses the legitimate concerns around fairness.
00:08:46.620 And I say legitimate concerns about fairness and make sure that those that may have been displaced because they were outperformed by a transgender athlete have the opportunity to still participate and be recognized for that participation.
00:09:05.560 We're also just trying to balance some grace, some humility, some humanity, particularly with transgender youth that just want to survive and don't want to be belittled and demeaned at the same time.
00:09:18.660 So it's a very tough issue.
00:09:20.900 And I know you've tackled that issue.
00:09:22.900 I think you've done it reasonably thoughtfully.
00:09:24.820 I think you've tried to find the nuances here, but it's an incredibly difficult issue.
00:09:30.560 And I say this as someone who's been an advocate for trans rights, but I do not think it's fair, these athletic competitions.
00:09:38.800 And I've made that point of view very, very public.
00:09:42.160 Well, this is one of the things where I say that I believe that activists are pushing an agenda.
00:09:50.440 And I've had so many transgender individuals on the show over the last 25 years.
00:10:01.920 And I can tell you that they have said to me on the air and off, mostly off the air, that they'd wish those people would shut up.
00:10:20.020 These shrill activists that are pushing these extreme positions, they're not speaking for us.
00:10:26.020 They're not speaking for the community at large.
00:10:28.140 And they say, look, we're living our lives, and there are enough challenges as it is, without them pushing these extreme controversial issues that we don't particularly ascribe to, they're not helping us.
00:10:50.180 That's something that they're just trying to rewrite biology on, or they're trying to make a battleground.
00:11:00.980 And they do it effectively.
00:11:05.900 I had Professor Carol Hooven on from Harvard University.
00:11:11.480 And she didn't even do the research.
00:11:15.000 She was just reporting, did a meta-analysis on, I think it was 50-plus studies, of others that had looked at the biological markers to see whether or not you could balance the playing field among elite athletes.
00:11:34.740 And she looked at, if you have testosterone blockers, if you have hormone suppression therapy, and for the required two years, before and after puberty, looked at every possible way.
00:11:54.440 And the meta-analysis conclusion for good methodology with good in, you know, right number of subjects, and they concluded, you just can't get there.
00:12:08.740 I mean, even if it's 10% difference in swimming competition among elite athletes, as you know.
00:12:17.420 That's everything.
00:12:17.820 They measure that by hundreds of a second off a time, fingernail touching the wall.
00:12:23.820 And in a four-lap race, 10%, they can be down there kicking off the wall, and they're standing there with their arms crossed, waiting for them to make the last lap.
00:12:34.980 No, it wasn't, and forgive me, wasn't she admonished by the administration over there as well for just concluding those?
00:12:45.120 Completely drummed out of the university.
00:12:46.840 They're transphobic, spawning hate speech.
00:12:52.380 Well, doctor, trust me, I know a thing or two about this.
00:12:55.300 I expressed my point of view.
00:12:56.620 I lost a few, I don't need to, we don't need to have a public therapy session here, but I lost some good friends.
00:13:02.740 I mean, they're just, they won't talk to me.
00:13:05.100 They're done.
00:13:06.640 And, you know, I appreciate they felt hurt.
00:13:09.200 They felt that a point of view was, you know, somehow diminishing.
00:13:13.640 I, as someone who's been an advocate that I put up against any other elected official, I mean, I have a very strong record.
00:13:20.240 As you know, I think the first time I was on your show was on the issue of LGBT rights.
00:13:26.000 And I've been an advocate for decades and decades.
00:13:29.120 But on the issue of sports and what you just, you know, you laid out as it relates to many different factors that are unique, regardless of puberty blockers.
00:13:39.980 I just think this issue we have to address and, and to not address, we are in denial.
00:13:47.540 Well, that's a good point, because I remember when you were there and you and I agreed on that.
00:13:51.580 We, we were both advocates for LGBTQ rights, but this is, this is a bridge too far.
00:13:59.800 This is, you have these, these elite athletes.
00:14:05.800 These are kids that get up oftentimes an hour or two before school.
00:14:13.160 I mean, they're up at four and five o'clock in the morning working out before school for years.
00:14:18.440 Oh yeah.
00:14:19.360 And then all of a sudden somebody steps in and, and bumps them out of the competition.
00:14:24.720 And it's, I hate to see that.
00:14:27.720 Yeah.
00:14:28.040 Well, which I got four young kids, all athletes, wife, who was a play for the junior national soccer team.
00:14:34.660 I got into college, only got into a four-year college because of, of sports.
00:14:40.840 And it's many ways, the reason I'm here.
00:14:44.120 So I deeply appreciate how resonant this issue and passionate this issue is at the same time.
00:14:49.840 You know, it's, I humbly submit, doctor, that I think it's been weaponized by, by some groups.
00:14:56.680 I'm not suggesting by any stretch you have.
00:14:58.980 I think I've listened to you on this topic and I think you've tried to be very thoughtful on it.
00:15:03.440 Others though are a little less thoughtful and have used this in a way that I don't think
00:15:08.040 advanced the larger call that I think you and I are calling for.
00:15:11.860 Just, that's just finding our common humanity and try to unify with, as you suggest, common sense.
00:15:18.580 Yeah, and the sad thing is, I think you've, it's kind of identity politics.
00:15:24.880 If you don't agree with everything, you're immediately labeled transphobic.
00:15:30.820 And I think they lose some very strong advocates by throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
00:15:37.480 Well, and I'd be in that category and anyone who suggests that, they, that is, they don't
00:15:42.700 know what I, who I am, what I've done.
00:15:45.880 And so I'm very sensitive to the point you just made.
00:15:48.720 And I certainly appreciate it.
00:15:53.140 This week on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler.
00:15:56.300 Maren Morris is here.
00:15:58.040 You came out of a marriage.
00:15:59.600 You came out of quote unquote country music.
00:16:02.000 And you had a huge growth spurt from what I can tell.
00:16:06.220 I realized I was expanding and growing at a really fast pace.
00:16:12.720 And yes, you could throw motherhood and the postpartum thing, learning about myself.
00:16:17.660 There were a lot of like identity crises going on, but I realized like I can't look back and
00:16:23.520 slow down for people.
00:16:24.560 I want to set my own pace and I will sacrifice my comfort to move at the pace that I have
00:16:32.760 worked really hard to move at.
00:16:34.780 Literally everything that could change in your life happened in like five years for me.
00:16:39.720 And, you know, it was a slow burn.
00:16:42.720 Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:16:47.560 Camp Shane, one of America's longest running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary
00:16:56.380 results.
00:16:57.780 Campers who began the summer in heavy bodies were often unrecognizable when they left.
00:17:02.920 In a society obsessed with being thin, it seemed like a miracle solution.
00:17:07.600 But behind Camp Shane's facade of happy, transformed children was a dark underworld of sinister
00:17:13.180 secrets.
00:17:13.780 Kids were being pushed to their physical and emotional limits as the family that owned Shane
00:17:19.200 turned a blind eye.
00:17:21.140 Nothing about that camp was right.
00:17:22.840 It was really actually like a horror movie.
00:17:25.660 In this eight episode series, we're unpacking and investigating stories of mistreatment and
00:17:31.100 reexamining the culture of fatphobia that enabled a flawed system to continue for so long.
00:17:36.960 You can listen to all episodes of Camp Shame one week early and totally ad-free on iHeart
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00:17:49.960 Have you ever thought about going boy sober?
00:17:53.380 I'm Hope Woodard, a comedian, creator, and seeker of male validation.
00:18:00.280 To most people, I'm the girl behind Boy Sober, the movement that exploded in 2024.
00:18:06.600 Boy Sober is about understanding yourself outside of sex and relationships.
00:18:10.580 It's more than personal.
00:18:13.220 It's political.
00:18:14.280 It's societal.
00:18:15.720 And at times, it's far from what I originally intended it to be.
00:18:20.920 These days, I'm interested in expanding what it means to be boy sober, to make it customizable
00:18:26.820 for anyone who feels the need to explore their relationship to relationships.
00:18:31.880 I'm talking to a lot of people who will help us think about how we love each other.
00:18:37.680 It's a very, very normal experience to have times where a relationship is prioritizing other
00:18:43.320 parts of that relationship that aren't being naked together.
00:18:46.340 How we love our family.
00:18:47.660 I've spent a lifetime trying to get my mother to love me, but the price is too high.
00:18:52.100 And how we love ourselves.
00:18:53.900 Singleness is not a waiting room.
00:18:55.580 You are actually at the party right now.
00:18:58.060 Let me hear it.
00:18:58.780 Listen to Boy Sober on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:19:05.520 A lot of times, the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives
00:19:14.540 in small ways.
00:19:16.460 Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone
00:19:21.180 up, so now I only buy one.
00:19:22.980 The demand curve in action.
00:19:24.680 And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on everybody's business from Bloomberg
00:19:28.980 Businessweek.
00:19:29.920 I'm Max Chavkin.
00:19:31.360 And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith.
00:19:32.640 Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's
00:19:37.840 going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives.
00:19:42.100 But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer
00:19:46.920 spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal
00:19:52.560 chats that make our economy tick.
00:19:54.820 Hey, I want to learn about V-Chain.
00:19:56.240 I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing.
00:19:59.900 So listen to everybody's business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your
00:20:06.020 podcasts.
00:20:07.100 The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States.
00:20:11.280 Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of
00:20:16.080 something much bigger than themselves.
00:20:18.560 This medal is for the men who went down that day.
00:20:22.620 It's for the families of those who didn't make it.
00:20:25.080 I'm J.R. Martinez.
00:20:26.960 I'm a U.S. Army veteran myself, and I'm honored to tell you the stories of these heroes on the
00:20:32.620 new season of Medal of Honor, Stories of Courage from Pushkin Industries and iHeart Podcast.
00:20:39.720 From Robert Blake, the first black sailor to be awarded the medal, to Daniel Daly, one of
00:20:44.980 only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice.
00:20:48.480 These are stories about people who have distinguished themselves by acts of valor, going above and
00:20:54.660 beyond the call of duty.
00:20:57.020 You'll hear about what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature
00:21:02.660 of courage and sacrifice.
00:21:05.660 Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your
00:21:10.500 podcasts.
00:21:11.000 Just on the issues of broader issues that I think just in the spirit of this conversation,
00:21:20.040 you know, when you wrote this book, We've Got Issues, what was, was this, was this sort of a
00:21:25.140 gateway to the new media company?
00:21:29.880 Was this sort of the transition book?
00:21:32.680 What, I mean, you haven't transitioned on your passion for family as sort of the core unit
00:21:38.560 in faith as well, which I appreciate your commitment to faith, including your new role under the
00:21:46.340 Trump administration.
00:21:47.760 Just tell us a little bit more in the spirit of that book, what you're trying to achieve.
00:21:54.360 You know, I've always thought, you know, it's funny, they talk about the general category
00:22:03.460 of talk show, and it's really interesting that if you're going to be successful, they really
00:22:13.820 should probably call it listening show, because if you don't listen to your audience and let
00:22:22.660 them tell you what you need to focus on, you're not going to last very long.
00:22:28.700 And, you know, we always refer to Hollywood as a 13-week town, and if you get 13 weeks in
00:22:37.260 Hollywood, you're lucky.
00:22:40.920 And, you know, I was on for 21 years, and they wanted me to renew for three more when I said,
00:22:48.480 no, I'm going to go do my own thing.
00:22:51.040 And there was a difference, because across those 21 years, very unusually, I owned my own
00:23:02.300 show, which, as you probably know, that's very rare in Hollywood.
00:23:06.780 The network likes to own the show, but I owned my own show.
00:23:11.680 So I did 3,800 shows, and I owned them lock, stock, and barrel.
00:23:15.760 So that whole library is something I own, and most of those shows are pretty evergreen.
00:23:24.200 And across time, I had a great staff.
00:23:30.540 And for the whole 21 years, I had one executive producer.
00:23:36.500 I had, you know, five supervising producers that were there pretty much the whole time.
00:23:46.320 I had the same seven cameramen for 21 years.
00:23:49.640 Wow.
00:23:51.520 I've had the same secretary, or they changed what they call them across the years.
00:23:57.220 She's been with me 45 years.
00:23:59.040 So, I mean, I've had the same team around me.
00:24:01.740 I'm so blessed to have them, and things change, Governor.
00:24:09.320 Think about this.
00:24:10.240 I started in 2002, and the first text message had never been sent when I started.
00:24:18.660 And think how much things have changed.
00:24:21.560 And like, 2008 and 2009 is when they started dropping smartphones on all of us.
00:24:27.700 And I think that's the biggest change in our civilization since the Industrial Revolution.
00:24:35.520 And I know there were kind of four industrial revolutions kind of jammed together there.
00:24:40.580 But I think this was the biggest change since mechanization.
00:24:45.520 And...
00:24:45.700 By the way, just speaking of jammed together, I remember being jammed together right there
00:24:50.120 at the Moscone Center in San Francisco in January of 2007, when Steve Jobs comes out with some damn device.
00:24:58.260 Little did we know.
00:24:59.520 But what hit, I'll never forget, it wasn't the device.
00:25:02.560 It was that damn app store in July of 2008 that, to your point, changed everything in more ways on more days.
00:25:10.320 Well, you know, kids were going through life like this.
00:25:13.240 And then all of a sudden, they were going through like this.
00:25:18.240 And we listened.
00:25:23.520 And, you know, for example, the words cyber and bully had never been used together in the same sentence because there was no such thing.
00:25:33.180 And then all of a sudden, I had to start dealing with cyber bullying.
00:25:36.980 And, in fact, I went to Capitol Hill.
00:25:41.460 They asked me to come testify on reauthorization of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act.
00:25:47.700 And a lot of my testimony was about you have to start allocating some funds to dealing with cyber bullying because it's become...
00:25:59.900 Bullies used to be in the lunchroom or the gym or the bus docks.
00:26:04.160 But now these bullies follow the children home.
00:26:07.720 They can't get away from it.
00:26:09.460 And we have to start educating our teachers and start making preparations to deal with this because kids are killing themselves.
00:26:22.400 And online predators are getting to our children.
00:26:26.020 And so, you know, it started evolving and changing.
00:26:29.560 And I had to evolve and change with it.
00:26:32.540 And I remember the first interview I ever gave about the Dr. Phil show, Roger King, who was, you know, the biggest force in syndication.
00:26:43.760 He asked me one day, without giving me any warning, he was going to make a sizzle reel to go out and sell the show.
00:26:49.780 And he said, okay, doc, what's the show going to be about?
00:26:55.160 And I'm like, oh, a little caught short.
00:27:00.420 And I remember saying, I'm going to talk about things that matter to people who care.
00:27:07.140 And I want to deliver common sense, usable information to people's homes every day for free.
00:27:17.440 Hard to argue with that.
00:27:18.620 If that doesn't work, then I was busy when you called me.
00:27:23.400 You know, I had a friend too.
00:27:24.440 And I've followed that formula all along.
00:27:33.080 And when I sat down to write We've Got Issues, it was in reaction to hearing my audience move.
00:27:47.700 I think that's my 11th book or 10th book.
00:27:51.780 I said I was going to write another book, and then I wrote that one.
00:27:56.060 And it was from listening to them.
00:27:58.920 And they were becoming much more socially conscious.
00:28:04.120 Whereas, you know, early on, I was focusing on marriage and family and individual psychological functioning
00:28:10.660 and all of those sorts of individual issues.
00:28:17.420 But I saw it change to start to include things like cyberbullying and predators and online scams and things like that.
00:28:29.660 And then of late, I saw them start to really become much more socially conscious about psychosocial issues.
00:28:37.420 And I think it's because they were on the Internet all the time.
00:28:41.820 They were reading things that, you know, eight, nine years earlier, they just weren't available to read.
00:28:49.040 And that's when I say I started being aware that, like, let's say you had some crazy conspiracy theory,
00:28:58.720 some guy in Omaha or something.
00:29:01.460 Well, that wouldn't spread very far because he didn't have the ability to reach anyone.
00:29:06.060 But it's estimated right now that there are between 5,000 and 10,000 cults active in the United States of America
00:29:14.520 because they operate online.
00:29:19.080 They solicit money online.
00:29:21.620 They get followers online.
00:29:23.700 Then they might have an annual meeting and recruit people in the real world to come to some compound or whatever.
00:29:29.600 And so I started seeing how people were concerned about what was going on at school
00:29:39.740 and what was being taught at school.
00:29:44.300 Was critical race theory being taught?
00:29:46.380 Should it be taught?
00:29:48.900 Should parents be notified if their children were wanting to change their pronouns?
00:29:55.600 And there were pros and cons about that.
00:30:00.800 I think parents know their kids the best and deserve to know what's going on with them.
00:30:07.080 But people react to that like there's this massive movement in the schools
00:30:14.800 to recruit people, children, into transgenderism.
00:30:22.720 That's just not true.
00:30:25.280 It is a minuscule number of cases in which that's happening.
00:30:31.380 And they talk like there's this huge recruitment.
00:30:36.780 It isn't true.
00:30:38.540 I do think parents should be involved.
00:30:42.380 And those on the other side of the issue say, well, there are a lot of parents who don't react well to that.
00:30:50.800 And so the kids can get kicked to the curb or whatever if they take it home.
00:30:57.060 Well, that's why we have the Department of Child and Family Services.
00:31:01.880 That's why we have these social services to support that.
00:31:06.820 If they got some mouth breather parent who doesn't stand by their child or whatever.
00:31:15.560 So there are two sides to the issue.
00:31:18.280 I get that.
00:31:19.360 But they weren't talking about these things before.
00:31:22.480 And now they were.
00:31:24.680 And that's what moved me to Genesis.
00:31:28.200 We've got issues.
00:31:29.700 We've got issues in what's going on in the school.
00:31:32.920 We've got issues regarding our economy.
00:31:37.900 And people talk about we have this inequality of income.
00:31:41.460 I think the problem is we have a quality of income.
00:31:43.840 If you look at all the giveaway programs, and I hear people talking about they want a quality of outcome versus the quality of opportunity.
00:31:55.360 Yeah.
00:31:55.840 No.
00:31:56.520 Count me out on the outcome side.
00:31:59.960 Yeah.
00:32:00.260 No, it's about that opportunity.
00:32:01.940 We can talk about some of the tax breaks as well.
00:32:05.500 Some of the carrying interest is on those subsidies as well.
00:32:08.660 This week on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler.
00:32:14.540 Maren Morris is here.
00:32:16.300 You came out of a marriage.
00:32:18.160 You came out of, quote unquote, country music.
00:32:20.580 And you had a huge growth spurt, from what I can tell.
00:32:24.320 I realized I was expanding and growing at a really fast pace.
00:32:31.080 And yes, you could throw motherhood and the postpartum thing, learning about myself.
00:32:35.740 There were a lot of, like, identity crises going on, but I realized, like, I can't look back and slow down for people.
00:32:43.340 I want to set my own pace, and I will sacrifice my comfort to move at the pace that I have worked really hard to move at.
00:32:53.120 Literally everything that could change in your life happened in, like, five years for me.
00:32:58.040 And, you know, it was a slow burn.
00:33:00.320 Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:33:09.300 Camp Shane, one of America's longest-running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results.
00:33:16.160 Campers who began the summer in heavy bodies were often unrecognizable when they left.
00:33:21.260 In a society obsessed with being thin, it seemed like a miracle solution.
00:33:25.440 But behind Camp Shane's facade of happy, transformed children was a dark underworld of sinister secrets.
00:33:32.960 Kids were being pushed to their physical and emotional limits as the family that owned Shane turned a blind eye.
00:33:39.460 Nothing about that camp was right.
00:33:41.220 It was really actually, like, a horror movie.
00:33:44.240 In this eight-episode series, we're unpacking and investigating stories of mistreatment
00:33:48.440 and re-examining the culture of fatphobia that enabled a flawed system to continue for so long.
00:33:55.660 You can listen to all episodes of Camp Shame one week early and totally ad-free on iHeart True Crime Plus.
00:34:02.560 So don't wait.
00:34:03.540 Head to Apple Podcasts and subscribe today.
00:34:08.280 Have you ever thought about going boy sober?
00:34:11.420 I'm Hope Woodard, a comedian, creator, and seeker of male validation.
00:34:18.440 To most people, I'm the girl behind Boy Sober, the movement that exploded in 2024.
00:34:24.900 Boy Sober is about understanding yourself outside of sex and relationships.
00:34:29.620 It's more than personal.
00:34:31.540 It's political, it's societal, and at times, it's far from what I originally intended it to be.
00:34:39.300 These days, I'm interested in expanding what it means to be boy sober,
00:34:43.620 to make it customizable for anyone who feels the need to explore their relationship to relationships.
00:34:50.940 I'm talking to a lot of people who will help us think about how we love each other.
00:34:56.000 It's a very, very normal experience to have times where a relationship is prioritizing other parts of that relationship
00:35:02.600 that aren't being naked together.
00:35:04.660 How we love our family.
00:35:05.960 I've spent a lifetime trying to get my mother to love me, but the price is too high.
00:35:10.420 And how we love ourselves.
00:35:11.860 Singleness is not a waiting room.
00:35:13.940 You are actually at the party right now.
00:35:16.440 Let me hear it.
00:35:18.240 Listen to Boy Sober on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:35:27.320 A lot of times, the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways.
00:35:34.780 Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding.
00:35:38.280 But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.
00:35:41.120 The demand curve in action.
00:35:43.040 And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on everybody's business from Bloomberg Business Week.
00:35:48.340 I'm Max Chafkin.
00:35:49.760 And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith.
00:35:51.380 Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on,
00:35:56.820 why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives.
00:35:59.920 But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick.
00:36:13.160 Hey, I want to learn about V-Chain.
00:36:14.580 I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing.
00:36:18.240 So listen to everybody's business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:36:25.280 The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States.
00:36:29.620 Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.
00:36:36.100 This medal is for the men who went down that day.
00:36:40.980 It's for the families of those who didn't make it.
00:36:43.780 I'm J.R. Martinez.
00:36:45.280 I'm a U.S. Army veteran myself.
00:36:47.120 And I'm honored to tell you the stories of these heroes on the new season of Medal of Honor, Stories of Courage, from Pushkin Industries, and iHeart Podcast.
00:36:58.060 From Robert Blake, the first black sailor to be awarded the medal, to Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice.
00:37:07.560 These are stories about people who have distinguished themselves by acts of valor, going above and beyond the call of duty.
00:37:14.660 You'll hear about what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice.
00:37:23.740 Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:37:32.460 Look, there's so much, Doctor, to talk about, and I appreciate the spirit to which you've engaged with me and our audience.
00:37:40.980 And one of the things I loved about your book, which I did have a chance to read, but more importantly, there's a lot of good life lessons in there.
00:37:48.560 And one of those statements that you made in the book that sort of spoke to me is, be who you are on purpose, which is a good way to describe you, this notion of intentionality.
00:38:01.460 But I think that's an important life lesson, is to be authentic, learn from, don't follow others, have some humility and grace, but stand your ground, but also recognize we need to find common ground.
00:38:15.420 And I hope we found a little bit today, and I appreciate your efforts to try to find more of that with Merit Street Media.
00:38:23.620 Well, I appreciate having the opportunity to talk about these things.
00:38:28.880 I think, like I say, you and I might be on a different side of certain issues and the same side on certain issues.
00:38:39.300 But I think if people could sit down and have civil conversations like this, I mean, that's what it's all about to me.
00:38:45.960 I think it's important to do.
00:38:47.520 And I'm glad you're doing this podcast.
00:38:49.580 I think people get to hear from you and get to know you better.
00:38:53.860 And I think people are interested in doing that and in knowing you.
00:39:00.080 And I think it's a courageous thing to do, because when you open up an unscripted conversation like this, that's a courageous thing to do.
00:39:11.120 It's not campaign speak.
00:39:12.640 It's just letting people get to know you.
00:39:16.620 And you dodged my question, are you going to run in 28?
00:39:22.920 That's fate will determine that.
00:39:25.440 But we'll see, doctor.
00:39:28.200 As you know better than anybody, as a former California resident, I got my hand full in the next year and a half, couple of years.
00:39:35.620 You're not ruling it out.
00:39:37.760 I don't.
00:39:38.580 I mean, you're not ruling anything out about your future either.
00:39:42.180 So we'll leave it at that.
00:39:43.160 I appreciate you spending time.
00:39:47.920 And I'm very grateful, particularly considering where the heck you are and all the other folks that are vying for your time and attention.
00:39:58.300 So thank you.
00:39:59.640 Anytime.
00:40:00.380 Anytime I can spend time with you, I'm proud to do it, honored to do it.
00:40:05.400 And I'll be inviting you to be on my podcast soon, and we'll talk about that and have you weigh in on some big issues.
00:40:15.580 And I hope we can do this again and do it soon.
00:40:19.700 I look forward to it.
00:40:20.920 Thank you so much.
00:40:21.860 Governor, thank you.
00:40:22.700 Best to you.
00:40:23.240 This week on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler.
00:40:33.260 Maren Morris is here.
00:40:34.920 You came out of a marriage.
00:40:36.760 You came out of, quote unquote, country music.
00:40:39.180 And you had a huge growth spurt, from what I can tell.
00:40:43.000 I was expanding and growing at a really fast pace.
00:40:47.640 And yes, you could throw motherhood and the postpartum thing, learning about myself.
00:40:52.560 There were a lot of, like, identity crises going on.
00:40:54.840 But I realized, like, I can't look back and slow down for people.
00:41:00.060 Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:41:08.760 Camp Shane, one of America's longest-running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results.
00:41:14.580 But there were some dark truths behind Camp Shane's facade of happy, transformed children.
00:41:20.760 Nothing about that camp was right.
00:41:22.500 It was really actually, like, a horror movie.
00:41:25.680 Enter Camp Shame, an eight-part series examining the rise and fall of Camp Shane and the culture that fueled its decades-long success.
00:41:33.980 You can listen to all episodes of Camp Shame one week early and totally ad-free on iHeart True Crime Plus.
00:41:40.320 So don't wait.
00:41:41.620 Head to Apple Podcasts and subscribe today.
00:41:44.580 Have you ever thought about going Boy Sober?
00:41:50.720 I'm Hope Woodard, a comedian, creator, and seeker of male validation.
00:41:56.260 I'm also the girl behind Boy Sober, the movement that exploded in 2024.
00:42:02.580 You might hear that term and think it's about celibacy.
00:42:05.320 But to me, Boy Sober is about understanding yourself outside of sex and relationships.
00:42:10.580 It's flexible, it's customizable, and it's a personal process.
00:42:15.940 Singleness is not a waiting room.
00:42:17.620 You are actually at the party right now.
00:42:20.080 Let me hear it.
00:42:21.640 Listen to Boy Sober on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:42:27.320 A lot of times, big economic forces show up in our lives in small ways.
00:42:34.180 Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding.
00:42:37.340 But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.
00:42:40.980 Small but important ways.
00:42:42.880 From tech billionaires to the bond market to, yeah, banana pudding.
00:42:46.400 If it's happening in business, our new podcast is on it.
00:42:49.920 I'm Max Chafkin.
00:42:51.160 And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith.
00:42:52.880 So listen to everybody's business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:42:59.260 The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States.
00:43:03.880 Recipients have done the improbable, the unexpected,
00:43:07.000 showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.
00:43:12.560 This medal is for the men who went down that day.
00:43:15.900 On Medal of Honor, stories of courage, you'll hear about these heroes
00:43:20.120 and what their stories tell us about the nature of bravery.
00:43:23.780 Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:43:29.340 This is an iHeart Podcast.