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00:02:54.540 This is Gavin Newsom.

00:02:57.340 And Newt Gingrich continues.

00:03:01.480 You worked on this book, which, again, is, you know,

00:03:05.000 it's very much in the spirit of Reagan.

00:03:07.840 You talk about his last speech.

00:03:10.400 I mean, where he talked about Lady Liberty's torch,

00:03:13.980 and, you know, talked about that life force of new Americans, etc.

00:03:17.600 And, again, my fundamental concern about this assault on higher education

00:03:25.060 is the impact that we'll have in terms of our capacity to get these PhDs and STEM folks

00:03:30.360 and to be able to pull that chill it's already, I think, having around the rest of the world,

00:03:34.620 but pull the best and the brightest minds and keep them as part of that innovation cycle.

00:03:39.320 But you specifically, you brought up in the book, which I loved, the Chinese Exclusion Act.

00:03:45.820 And, you know, so much of that comes from, you know, the embers of that are very familiar folks

00:03:49.540 out here in the Bay Area.

00:03:51.840 You know, I remember what I would refer to unfairly, I would admit,

00:03:56.700 this guy, Dennis Kearney, who was sort of the original Trump.

00:03:59.340 And he began and ended every speech by saying, whatever else we do, the Chinese must go. 1.00

00:04:05.360 And they were building virtual walls to keep the Chinese out. 0.99

00:04:09.100 And, of course, the beginning of the Chinese Exclusion Act

00:04:11.740 ultimately came out of the Bay Area and some of those movements.

00:04:15.880 But interesting to me is we're now close to peak immigration again.

00:04:21.820 We dropped very low in 1970.

00:04:24.220 I think it was 4.8 percent, don't quote me.

00:04:26.660 And now we're closer to 14, 14.8, wherever it is.

00:04:31.020 Again, don't quote me, but it's significantly grown.

00:04:34.220 How concerned are you talking about assimilation?

00:04:36.600 You talk about the things you can't talk about from a European prism.

00:04:40.240 But as you balance the journey to America and you balance this immigration debate

00:04:44.500 and deal with the issue of criminal behavior and, quote unquote,

00:04:48.020 illegal immigration, as you refer to it, how do we find a balance?

00:04:51.680 How do we strike that balance?

00:04:53.060 At peril, we go back to the instincts of the 1880s or go back, frankly, to, well, I mean,

00:05:01.120 maybe we're back there today.

00:05:03.320 Curious, your assessment.

00:05:04.560 I think, no, I think, first of all, there were two huge challenges.

00:05:10.700 One is sheer volume.

00:05:12.420 I mean, you can't have six, eight, nine million people crossing the border illegally.

00:05:16.680 The other, which I began writing about in the 80s, I was visited when I was a congressman

00:05:24.900 in Georgia by a Vietnamese small business owner who said that when he came over after the fall

00:05:31.280 of Saigon, he and his brother arrived and he went straight to work.

00:05:36.720 And his brother got hooked up in Southern California with the welfare office

00:05:40.320 and learned that you could get public housing and you could get food stamps and so forth.

00:05:44.780 And so his brother never developed the kind of entrepreneurial drive because life was adequate.

00:05:51.620 And it hit me that what had worked historically in America, which was very tough, people should

00:05:57.740 not kid themselves.

00:05:59.540 You know, Calista's grandmother came through Ellis Island. 0.78

00:06:02.600 We actually went up and looked at her signature and her-

00:06:07.320 Poland, is that right?

00:06:08.780 Huh?

00:06:09.420 Polish?

00:06:10.180 Yeah, she was.

00:06:10.960 Her grandmother's Polish on her father's side.

00:06:13.680 Ironically, since she's been nominated to be ambassador to Switzerland, her grandmother

00:06:17.660 on the Swiss side, which is her mother, is from Bern.

00:06:22.500 So she's actually gone back to her grandmother's home area.

00:06:27.640 But the paternal grandmother came from Poland in 1908 and you can literally track her coming in.

00:06:35.100 Well, every person that came in was inspected for health.

00:06:38.800 And if you had a communicable disease, you were excluded and sent back.

00:06:42.120 Everybody was checked to see if they were willing to go to work.

00:06:45.460 And if you weren't prepared to work, you were sent back.

00:06:48.280 I mean, it wasn't an automatic open door.

00:06:51.320 It was a controlled open door.

00:06:54.460 But there was a second part, which was very tough.

00:06:57.220 People expected you to become American. 0.90

00:07:00.500 They expected you to learn English.

00:07:02.480 They expected you to go to work.

00:07:03.900 They expected you to be a neighbor.

00:07:06.140 They expected you to obey the law.

00:07:07.980 And so there's a great deal of socialization that went into being an immigrant in the U.S.

00:07:14.180 We went into a cycle which was captured in a book called The Tragedy of American Compassion,

00:07:21.000 where starting really in the big way with the great society, it became inappropriate

00:07:26.060 to suggest to people that they give up wherever they came from, to say that the habits and the culture you came from aren't, you know.

00:07:35.620 So if you happen to come from a place which engages in clitorectomy, who are we to suggest as a matter of women's rights that maybe that's not a very good habit? 0.99

00:07:44.580 It would be like in the middle of the 19th century when sati was still practiced in India and widows were expected to be burned with their husbands.

00:07:54.300 So the question becomes, can we find a path back to work?

00:08:03.020 And I voted for all this.

00:08:04.580 And in 1986, we passed the Simpson-Lazoli Act.

00:08:07.840 We thought we were giving amnesty to $300,000, turned out to be $3 million.

00:08:14.160 And Reagan in his diary says, I've signed the bill because we're going to get control of the border

00:08:20.360 and we're going to have a work permit system so we can control immigration.

00:08:26.580 And of course, he got neither.

00:08:28.040 So he was one of the guys who voted for this thing.

00:08:30.400 Yeah.

00:08:30.960 You were an advocate, I think, what, in 1985, right?

00:08:33.880 Even before when it was in its infancy in bill form.

00:08:37.840 So, you know, I think we're not going to deport 10 or 12 or 14 million people.

00:08:46.800 No.

00:08:47.020 It's not going to happen.

00:08:48.500 We are going to deport most of the criminals.

00:08:51.660 And if you are here without having yet been a criminal and you become a criminal, we're going to deport you.

00:08:57.240 And then once, I mean, my theory of all this, which may be wrong,

00:09:00.240 but it's part of what we did, Journey to America, was to remind people that it's okay to be against illegal immigration.

00:09:08.740 But you want to be passionately for legal immigration and you want to recognize that there are dividing lines.

00:09:15.840 I'm very concerned about the dreamers, the people who came here at two, three, four years of age.

00:09:20.700 Hear, hear.

00:09:21.360 Clearly, they should be treated differently than they're being treated right now.

00:09:24.360 I mean, it's just, it's wrong to toss them in as though they're illegal in any traditional sense.

00:09:28.400 So is it just, they're just a political football then?

00:09:30.440 That's right.

00:09:31.500 And most of them don't speak the language of their native country.

00:09:34.940 Exactly right.

00:09:35.580 They grew up in America.

00:09:36.900 For all purposes, it is their native country.

00:09:39.440 So we couldn't have that debate until we got control of the border.

00:09:45.460 My guess is that by sometime in 27, we will begin to have a very healthy debate.

00:09:52.740 People will have calmed down and will now be into how do we solve this problem as opposed to just being so rigid.

00:09:58.880 And it may even happen starting in 26.

00:10:01.780 I mean, I thought the speed, I don't know what your reaction was, but I thought the speed with which they turned around the southern border was almost unbelievable.

00:10:11.340 Yeah.

00:10:11.420 I mean, directionally, it had significantly declined in terms of the total number of border crossings.

00:10:17.020 But unquestionably, yeah, the acuity to which, in essence, is shut down is rather remarkable, considering where we were two years prior.

00:10:25.960 But clearly, the message was delivered a little bit in the last nine months to a year of the Biden administration to step up.

00:10:31.980 It was starting to gradually shift, but then Trump came in and it really shifted.

00:10:36.220 No, no doubt.

00:10:37.100 I mean, look, rhetoric matters.

00:10:38.640 And I'm curious just from that perspective, because I think a lot of it was rhetorical.

00:10:42.580 I mean, it was substantive in terms of some of the moves that he's made, but mostly rhetorical, I think, in terms of the impacts even occurring before in the executive orders went into effect.

00:10:52.160 And certainly no fundamental legislative shifts yet.

00:10:55.920 But what about the rhetoric?

00:10:57.900 What about sort of the pain a lot of our diverse communities feel about the rhetoric from the president himself?

00:11:04.180 And, you know, is it tactical?

00:11:05.800 You say he supports legal immigration.

00:11:07.760 We saw that debate play out with a Bannon-Musk frame.

00:11:12.800 But that debate's still pretty alive in the base of the mega movement, right?

00:11:17.360 Anti-immigrant, legal too. 1.00

00:11:18.860 Look, the challenge for Trump's critics on this line of reasoning is that he got the highest percentage any Republican's ever gotten in the Hispanic community.

00:11:31.800 He got the largest percentage of African-American males of any Republican since Eisenhower, you know, 70 years ago.

00:11:38.840 That's right.

00:11:40.100 He's the first Republican to get a majority of the Catholic vote.

00:11:43.900 So there's an awful lot of people who are first and second generation legal immigrants who are as mad about illegal immigrants as people whose relatives came over in 1700. 0.80

00:11:58.460 I mean, there's a sense of, I paid my dues, I waited, I obeyed the law, and frankly, I left these people behind.

00:12:07.460 I don't want a Venezuelan gang in my neighborhood. 1.00

00:12:10.080 And while that's exaggerated, it's real enough. 0.85

00:12:13.660 And particularly if you look at the people, you know, who have been killed or the people who have been raped, you don't need many symbols.

00:12:24.500 No.

00:12:25.140 Country to decide, you know, I don't, that's a risk I don't.

00:12:27.280 No, I just, I miss, what I hate is how it's exploited.

00:12:31.040 And as we know, I mean, we all know the stats, I mean, native-born are more likely to commit crimes than foreign-born, legal or without documentation. 0.95

00:12:42.980 But you're right.

00:12:44.060 I mean, what you just said is potently accurate.

00:12:46.620 It doesn't take that many examples.

00:12:48.980 Well, and I suspect if you limited it down to MS-13 gang members, Venice whaling gang members, there are enough examples there.

00:12:59.280 No, you're right.

00:13:00.120 You can earn a living off of it.

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00:13:06.700 Diddy's former protege, television personality, platinum-selling artist, Danity King alum, Aubrey O'Day,

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00:18:32.940 Look, I get your broader point, but I'm encouraged by your core belief that Trump has the capacity,

00:18:46.500 to your point, to move if he feels that we've made the progress on the border

00:18:51.660 to a much more comprehensive conversation.

00:18:54.320 He said publicly that we ought to really be thinking about,

00:18:57.220 if you graduate in science or engineering, we give you a green card with your graduation.

00:19:04.020 Well, that's been challenged by him eliminating all the foreign students at Harvard, but we'll see.

00:19:08.900 No, let me suggest to you for a second, as somebody who has studied Trump a fair amount.

00:19:16.140 There's a John Wayne film where he gets really mad at somebody, picks up a chair, breaks it over their head,

00:19:24.520 and his partner turns and says, God, you get really go crazy. 0.95

00:19:30.040 As several foreign governments have learned, you take Trump head on, and he goes nuts. 0.73

00:19:36.260 And he says, I'm going to prove to you, I mean, it's classic alpha male.

00:19:39.880 I now have to prove to you who's dominant.

00:19:42.340 Well, Harvard decided, let's test this theory, okay?

00:19:46.100 So they now have Donald Trump about 4 o'clock every morning, figuring out what he can do next.

00:19:52.080 And he is going to beat on them and beat on them.

00:19:56.140 There's nothing to do with the rest of the country.

00:19:58.180 I hope not.

00:19:59.260 Harvard has decided to pick a head-on fight.

00:20:01.600 They're a big institution.

00:20:03.080 They've got a ton of money.

00:20:04.500 They have great prestige.

00:20:06.240 And we'll see whether or not they can.

00:20:07.800 This is a little bit like in, I think it's 1902.

00:20:10.820 They have a huge coal mine strike.

00:20:13.240 And Theodore Roosevelt calls in the coal mine owners and says, this is going to get settled.

00:20:18.140 And the coal mine owners say, well, you don't understand.

00:20:21.120 We own the coal mines.

00:20:23.160 And Roosevelt says, you don't understand.

00:20:25.300 I am the president of the United States, and I will have the army take over all of your mines. 1.00

00:20:30.360 And they said, oh, well, let's talk.

00:20:33.160 Let's talk.

00:20:34.060 I mean, if Harvard were semi-smart, they'd say, you know, this is a losing fight.

00:20:39.220 Even if they win round one in court, because he's going to be there for four years.

00:20:44.380 If they win one round in court, the Justice Department will be there with round two, three, and four.

00:20:49.880 And he's not going to give up until they kowtow.

00:20:52.580 It's just, no, he's not necessarily going to go and pick a fight with, you know, the Ohio State University, partly because he likes their football team.

00:21:01.040 But as a general rule, this is classically Trump behavior.

00:21:06.480 You saw him just do it to the Europeans. 0.99

00:21:08.180 The Europeans said, we don't want to talk.

00:21:09.520 He said, fine, 50% tariff next Monday.

00:21:12.080 And then he negotiates against himself.

00:21:14.140 Oh, Max, you do want to talk.

00:21:16.440 Yeah.

00:21:16.880 Well, then he delays.

00:21:18.240 I mean, well, you opened this door.

00:21:22.760 And Mr. Free Trade, I remember you back in the day.

00:21:25.560 I'm old enough to remember NAFTA and everything else.

00:21:28.420 And that was bipartisan.

00:21:30.460 It was hardly Newt Gingrich, Speaker Gingrich.

00:21:32.940 It was celebrated in my party.

00:21:36.340 So you've evolved.

00:21:38.140 A lot of folks have, not just, you know, including, by the way, Democrats.

00:21:41.520 I mean, the tariff policies were advanced and increased against China, in particular during the Biden administration, but not across the board, not with the fits and starts, not negotiating against ourselves.

00:21:53.420 Tell me, you, tell me, tell me that you find the approach to tariffs under the Trump administration fullhardy and not necessarily productive at this stage.

00:22:05.580 Or am I missing this great negotiator's capacity to deliver punches like a chess master five months from now or a year from now?

00:22:15.400 Well, I think a couple of things.

00:22:16.940 One, I would say, looking back, I was wrong.

00:22:19.180 Do you say that conveniently or do you, I mean.

00:22:24.520 No, I say it because I evolved over 10.

00:22:26.960 I'll give you the best example.

00:22:28.420 Yeah.

00:22:28.600 I really thought, as did most of the people who studied it, that opening up China economically was a great step towards a more open China.

00:22:38.880 And I totally misunderstood Deng Xiaoping's southern tour, where he gave the speeches about markets and said, you know, I don't care whether it's a black cat or a white cat, as long as it catches the rat.

00:22:51.760 And it sounded like he was really talking about openness.

00:22:55.620 Well, a couple of years ago, I did a book called Trump and China, and I went back and did a lot of research.

00:23:01.100 And I was frankly pretty embarrassed.

00:23:02.760 I mean, Deng Xiaoping was one of the 24 people in Paris who create the Chinese Communist Party.

00:23:09.760 He leaves Paris at the end of World War I, goes to Moscow and spends a year at Lenin University studying Marxism, Leninism.

00:23:18.260 He is saying, and none of us caught this, we have to have a market to create enough prosperity to strengthen the party's grip on the country.

00:23:29.140 Because if people stay too poor, they're going to throw the party out.

00:23:32.200 So I'm not going to an open market so I can open up China.

00:23:36.300 I'm going to an open market so I can sustain the dictatorship.

00:23:40.440 And by the way, since it is a dictatorship, and since we are China, if I get to rip you off, that's fine. 0.90

00:23:47.760 Now, part of my education, after I left the speakership, I was approached by a former Walmart president who was going to do a deal in China.

00:23:55.180 And he thought having a former speaker would help give in negotiating.

00:23:59.060 So my lawyer talked to the Chinese lawyers.

00:24:01.480 And after he looked at the proposed contract, he said, let me get this straight.

00:24:04.700 You can define what his interest is worth on any given day, and you can buy it at your definition.

00:24:11.140 And he said, yeah, that's how we do things.

00:24:14.580 He's not with my client.

00:24:17.100 So it's been looking at that.

00:24:18.940 And then in the European case, the Europeans, and this is a genuine tragedy, and I think you have to read J.D. Vance's speeches in Paris and Munich in this context. 0.80

00:24:28.020 And again, I'm a European historian.

00:24:30.720 I've lived in four European countries, and I have an enormous affection for Europe historically.

00:24:37.460 The Europeans decided to go to litigation and regulation rather than innovation. 0.63

00:24:43.840 They're literally the exact opposite of Silicon Valley.

00:24:46.760 That's interesting.

00:24:47.320 In the long run, that's a losing game.

00:24:50.360 So what they have to do is they have to somehow tax Amazon or Apple or Google or Meta or Microsoft because they literally can't compete with them.

00:25:02.020 And so they rig the game in clever ways.

00:25:06.760 And for a very long time, we operated within a model of somehow trying to get to a balanced world where it would also – the World Trade Organization would work.

00:25:16.200 I mean, I was for China joining the WTO.

00:25:19.160 And then you realize after a while, it just – this current system doesn't work.

00:25:23.680 Now, what Trump has done, which I candidly don't think he's explained very well, Trump is a reversion to the late 19th century Republican model, best articulated by William McKinley, that we are going to have higher tariff walls.

00:25:39.100 We're going to have higher paid workers.

00:25:40.980 We're going to have huge prosperity.

00:25:42.560 And in the end, because we're the largest economy, we have – I mean, he loves this.

00:25:47.840 Yeah.

00:25:47.980 He knows in every negotiation, including China, in the end, he's the bank.

00:25:54.100 They're going to have to negotiate with him.

00:25:56.020 Sure.

00:25:56.340 And so he's now going to have an exciting and enthusiastic six or eight months.

00:26:00.800 I tell all of my friends, do not look at your stock until August.

00:26:04.920 Yeah.

00:26:05.500 Yes.

00:26:06.120 Or the lack of stock in the warehouse because of all the indecision and the business chill.

00:26:11.260 I mean, a lot of people, they're not going to make it five months.

00:26:13.960 That's my fear and disproportionate number out here in America's largest economy, California, with all that goods movement and the dock workers and truckers and obviously the small business supply chains.

00:26:26.480 I mean, it's being felt.

00:26:28.240 It's pretty profound.

00:26:29.200 I hope there's an endgame here.

00:26:30.560 But time is not on the side of a lot of these small entrepreneurs.

00:26:35.860 I think that's right.

00:26:36.640 Look, there's going to be a lot of floundering around and ultimately we may be at a better future, but the interim is going to be – I tell people, this is not a beer party on a houseboat on a quiet lake.

00:26:48.300 This is canoeing in the rapids of a wild river.

00:26:52.540 And that's just a fact.

00:26:56.880 Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes here, Diddy's former protege.

00:27:00.560 Television personality, platinum-selling artist, Danity King alum, Aubrey O'Day, joins us to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation.

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00:32:32.200 Let's go back just briefly because I'd be remiss if we didn't talk about this.

00:32:35.820 So this is how I spent my Memorial Day.

00:32:39.480 I somehow landed on a New Hampshire town hall that you and President Clinton conducted together.

00:32:47.820 It was shockingly civil.

00:32:49.700 I tuned in because I was expecting the opposite.

00:32:52.580 And the fact that the President of the United States, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, at the peak of their differences, engaged in a civil conversation, it makes me long for those days or wait or not.

00:33:07.300 Because my reflection was one of critique and constant, you know, just, you know, confrontation, vitriol, government shutdowns.

00:33:18.480 So which was it?

00:33:19.920 What was your relationship like?

00:33:21.540 Do you remember that day in New Hampshire?

00:33:23.640 What the hell were you two thinking?

00:33:25.080 And what's happened to our country since?

00:33:29.400 And how much do you feel, Mr. Speaker, in the Luntz conversation, responsible for some of that sort of toxicity, as some have described, in our politics as it relates to the relationship that you had with our party, our party with you, and the contract with America?

00:33:50.520 Oh, well, you just managed to ask about three different questions.

00:33:55.560 I did.

00:33:56.180 Yes.

00:33:57.760 Clinton and I had a, I think, remarkably good personal relationship.

00:34:02.620 Yeah.

00:34:03.360 We were about the same age group.

00:34:05.800 We're both inherently graduate students.

00:34:08.380 We like to sit around and shoot the breeze about policy.

00:34:11.240 Well said.

00:34:12.180 Occasionally late at night, I go down and have a drink with him.

00:34:14.800 And we just BS.

00:34:15.580 I mean, it was just, you know, as you know, he is one of the great BSers in American history. 0.90

00:34:20.980 I mean, it's God bless.

00:34:22.080 All you got to do is relax and let him roll for a while.

00:34:25.320 And so in that sense, what happened was, which was, and I wrote a book on it called March to the Majority.

00:34:33.040 We spent 16 years growing a majority, all of it standing on Reagan's shoulders.

00:34:37.460 The contract is entirely Reagan.

00:34:39.720 But when we won, because we had based everything we were doing on the American people.

00:34:46.960 So every single item in the contract is 70% or better.

00:34:49.760 There's a big fight in the White House in June of 95.

00:34:54.120 And Reagan's staff, I mean, Carter's, Clinton's staff says, you've got to fight Gingrich.

00:35:01.820 You know, you owe it to the party.

00:35:04.120 And Clinton, who had been beaten in 1980 for re-election and knew that it wasn't fun, said to them, if I do that, I'm going to lose.

00:35:12.840 I'm not going to fight Gingrich.

00:35:14.820 I'm going to protect the things I have to protect, and I'm going to take shots at him when I can.

00:35:18.640 But I'm going to work with him, because if I work with him, I'll probably get re-elected.

00:35:22.440 And I like being in the White House.

00:35:24.220 And it was a huge brawl.

00:35:25.460 I mean, I remember at one point, Leon Panetta, we were in a negotiating session, and Panetta was screaming at him and saying, you can't give that away.

00:35:33.460 We had Democrats who lost their seats because they voted for that.

00:35:36.860 And it came along, yeah, but I don't want to lose my seat.

00:35:40.320 And, you know, then he turned to me and said, I guess I can't do that one.

00:35:45.000 This may surprise you.

00:35:46.040 We negotiated for 35 days face-to-face.

00:35:49.800 We produced the-

00:35:50.460 Face-to-face, I mean, literally the two of you in the room, not outsourcing it to staff.

00:35:54.040 Most of the other people around, but the two of us sitting across the table for 35 days, and we produced the only four balanced budgets in a century.

00:36:03.500 And we did it because we listened to each other, and we talked to each other.

00:36:06.440 Now, I was a harsh partisan for a reason you'll understand perfectly.

00:36:11.160 I mean, it's what you have not- you haven't really had the kind of quality of opposition you should have in California that methodically goes out and spends 16 years and gradually becomes a majority, which is tragic.

00:36:23.320 It's not good for the state.

00:36:25.380 Yeah, I hear you.

00:36:26.160 I mean, I get that argument, absolutely.

00:36:28.580 No, sincerely, yeah.

00:36:30.200 So I had to be polarizing because I'm the minority.

00:36:35.040 I mean, if I'm going to get in, I've got to make sure that people decide not to vote for the Democrats.

00:36:42.160 It's not your natural state?

00:36:43.780 I mean, it was a very intentional strategy.

00:36:49.000 I mean-

00:36:49.440 No, you'll like this because I think in some ways you'll identify.

00:36:52.760 Okay.

00:36:53.160 My natural state is winning.

00:36:55.180 There you go.

00:36:56.160 I appreciate that.

00:36:57.400 If sitting for 35 days wins, I'm for winning.

00:37:01.480 If closing the government for 27 days is a necessary prelude, you may be able to negotiate, I'm for closing the government for 27 days.

00:37:09.880 All right.

00:37:10.360 But they were, it's not a personality thing.

00:37:13.680 They were instrumentalities of getting something done.

00:37:17.200 And so that town hall sort of reflected that, that you guys had a civil conversation outdoors in New Hampshire.

00:37:23.460 I think he said you happened to be there already.

00:37:26.860 He was coming down.

00:37:28.060 Do you remember it at all?

00:37:29.320 Yeah.

00:37:29.900 Bob Dole, we had this deal.

00:37:32.320 Dole wanted to run for president.

00:37:33.980 And he didn't want me because I was the brand new guy on the block and I was nationally pretty popular at that time.

00:37:38.980 He didn't want me to run for president.

00:37:40.760 So he loaned me his entire New Hampshire organization.

00:37:44.300 And I went up and toured New Hampshire.

00:37:46.760 And while we were up there, we suddenly heard, oh, Bill Clinton's going to be here.

00:37:50.040 And so we promptly said to the press, wouldn't it be great to get together and have a debate about or a dialogue about election reform?

00:37:59.640 Well, the White House suddenly gets this call from the press corps.

00:38:02.300 Is the president willing to sit down with Newt Gingrich in New Hampshire?

00:38:06.520 You can imagine what Clinton's staff said.

00:38:08.960 Wow.

00:38:09.360 And so they then interviewed me and I said, well, I'd be delighted because it's a great thing for America to have the two of us talk.

00:38:16.540 At which point Clinton goes, oh, yeah, I guess we'll do it.

00:38:19.300 And if you watch it, I mean, he's very good.

00:38:22.380 Yeah.

00:38:22.980 But I mean, candidly, it was not I didn't enjoy it.

00:38:26.820 You were you were very good.

00:38:28.680 I mean, answering tough questions.

00:38:30.540 I mean, a lot of seniors are there and you're talking about, you know, cuts to their programs and others.

00:38:35.000 I mean, it was it was it was it was a remarkably civil conversation at the highest level.

00:38:42.340 And but there's not been anything like that since.

00:38:44.860 Well, you know, it was a tragedy.

00:38:46.740 There's a book called The Pact written by a guy, I think, at Duke, in which he found all the papers, interviewed people.

00:38:55.100 Bill and I actually had an agreement in late 97 that we were going to launch an effort in 98 to reform Medicare and Social Security.

00:39:05.140 And he would do it in the State of the Union.

00:39:07.160 I would do it in a major speech in Georgia.

00:39:09.180 And we were going to work together.

00:39:10.540 And then Lewinsky occurred.

00:39:12.480 Well, at that point, I had to become partisan and he had to go to the left because it was the left that was going to save him.

00:39:19.560 And so, boom, I got.

00:39:20.860 But the book's kind of fascinating because it's really true.

00:39:24.340 We did a lot.

00:39:25.720 We created the Hart-Rudman Commission, which was the deepest and biggest review of national security since 1948.

00:39:32.960 And actually, after I stepped down, even though I'd helped him impeach him in the House, they called and said, would you like to serve on the commission since you created it?

00:39:42.040 I said yes.

00:39:43.420 So it was that kind of relationship.

00:39:45.940 Yeah, it's fascinating.

00:39:47.860 And you're reminding me of the impeachment.

00:39:49.560 I mean, so what do you and it was the third part of that three legged stool question.

00:39:54.220 And forgive me for not articulating it more effectively.

00:39:57.900 But and again, this is not an indictment, but it was in the conversation of Luntz who said he was never more proud to be associated with anything than the contract with America, which was fascinating to me.

00:40:08.200 And how quick he was to not only defend it, but how reverential he thought it was at the time in terms of just being a communication document, how it had transparency, how it did represent, as you said, the will of the American people, at least in terms of the 70 percent threshold.

00:40:24.000 And the fact that you submitted it to the public, meaning you tested that theory.

00:40:28.800 But but the impeachment, the toxicity, the winning at all costs, hardly new and novel in politics.

00:40:35.780 So I'm not suggesting you're you you're the the OG in this space.

00:40:40.100 But the people connect this moment to those moments.

00:40:44.640 Is that fair or unfair to Democrats oversimplify?

00:40:47.840 I think we I think we profoundly mishandled the impeachment.

00:40:52.120 And I think it was partly because of Kenneth Starr.

00:40:57.080 In my mind, the impeachment was about committing perjury.

00:41:01.980 It actually goes back to arguments we have today about whether or not whether the Supreme Court is ruled.

00:41:06.820 And I suspect that the Supreme Court already ruled, we wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.

00:41:11.400 But the question was, it was pretty clear that he had been convicted of committing perjury, which, you know, is a felony.

00:41:18.580 And in fact, he later on was barred from practicing law for five years in Arkansas.

00:41:24.940 And I thought it was important as a matter of constitutional record that a president should be held accountable.

00:41:31.720 But when Starr came out with his report, it was so lurid and so related to sex that it poisoned the whole project.

00:41:40.620 And I'll never forget that summer.

00:41:42.900 I was home in August and my two daughters and I went to to lunch at OK Cafe in Atlanta. 0.99

00:41:49.920 And they both looked at it and they said to me, if our 401ks get destroyed because of some stupid intern, we're going to be really pissed off. 0.97

00:42:01.460 I thought, OK, I had clearly misunderstood the American people and how they were going to rank, how this was going to work. 0.99

00:42:08.740 And in a way, Clinton's whole behavior from 92 on changed the whole context in which you deal with sexual issues in politics.

00:42:19.400 Yeah.

00:42:19.680 You couldn't imagine the Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump last debate in a pre-Bill Clinton world.

00:42:29.400 That's interesting.

00:42:31.240 Well, and of course, Bannon bringing out the ghosts of the past in the front row of that debate as well.

00:42:37.380 It was Bannon who said to me, we concluded she was going to go to the basement and we were going to get there first.

00:42:43.580 Yeah, that was.

00:42:45.400 Look, look, in closing, give me something more optimistic.

00:42:49.300 Are we going to look? 0.99

00:42:50.140 I'm new scum. 0.99

00:42:51.460 I mean, here we are. 0.95

00:42:52.580 I appreciate your book.

00:42:54.180 June 3rd, we got we got Trump's triumph. 0.89

00:42:57.260 But in new scum, everything's scum, this sort of divisiveness, this, you know, everyone's longing to figure out a way to get them back together and start to solve. 0.95

00:43:07.360 I would say as a historian, one of two things has to happen. 0.98

00:43:14.440 Either there has to be a very concerted effort to reach out and to try to find bipartisan ways to work together.

00:43:23.320 I just did a podcast with Ted Cruz, who had worked with Amy Klobuchar, the Democrat from Minnesota.

00:43:31.280 Yeah, the book you would be very aware of.

00:43:33.200 Just last week, Trump signed that bill.

00:43:35.120 Right.

00:43:36.120 Totally bipartisan.

00:43:37.760 Yep.

00:43:38.200 And it's possible that you could see just enough bipartisanship on practical things begin to re-knit the system.

00:43:46.800 Otherwise, what has to happen is one side or the other has to win.

00:43:50.380 I mean, historically, when you're in a period where both sides think it's life and death and both sides think they potentially could win or lose, the drive to more and more extremism.

00:44:05.160 I was very struck.

00:44:06.160 Alan Guelzo is an extraordinary professor of Abraham Lincoln.

00:44:12.260 And Guelzo wrote me at one point in the 2004 campaign and said, the level of vitriol against Trump resembles the level of vitriol against Lincoln among Southern slaveholders in the 1860 campaign.

00:44:25.120 He said, you can draw almost an exact parallel.

00:44:27.720 And it's because both the left in its modern form and the slaveholders actually saw their way of life about to be extinguished. 0.94

00:44:36.280 I mean, Trump is a mortal threat if you're AOC. 1.00

00:44:38.820 He's not just a competitor, but if he wins, her world shrinks radically.

00:44:45.740 So you either have to get to a point where one side clearly won.

00:44:50.280 This is FDR in 34, 36, where he wins so decisively that everybody operates within the Rooseveltian world.

00:44:58.240 Jefferson after 1800.

00:45:01.720 I would hope you could have a combination.

00:45:03.880 That is, I encourage constantly finding ways to be bipartisan, because I think it's better for the country.

00:45:10.700 It's how the founding fathers designed the system.

00:45:13.180 They wanted to make it so hard that it's very, very difficult, as we just saw in the House, for a purely partisan effort to work.

00:45:22.000 And that's by design.

00:45:23.380 I mean, they wanted to avoid dictatorship by creating a machine so hard to work that we can barely get it to work voluntarily.

00:45:31.640 Well, I appreciate it.

00:45:32.700 When you have a chapter in the book, you talk about the 250th anniversary and, you know, and our pride in the best of Greek democracy and the Roman Republic, three co-equal branches of government.

00:45:46.460 I hope that's the spirit that defines that.

00:45:49.140 I have two final questions over under simple questions.

00:45:52.900 Speaker Jeffrey's 60% chance?

00:45:56.600 Oh, 45.

00:45:57.680 Okay, well, see, we're going to have to have another episode on that.

00:46:02.140 And then 2028, President Vance, 40%?

00:46:06.740 Probably runs against Governor Newsom.

00:46:10.200 Vice President Vance runs against Newsom.

00:46:12.240 Vice President Vance.

00:46:13.300 And I look at some of your other candidates.

00:46:15.280 I mean, the governor, with all due respect, the governor of Illinois as a presidential candidate, give me a break.

00:46:21.720 I'm not, I'm not getting in the middle of all this.

00:46:23.620 You can say nothing, but I would not be at all shocked to have a Newsom-Vance general election in 2028.

00:46:30.700 Well, that's a hell of a way to end this podcast.

00:46:33.300 By the way, I appreciate you doing this.

00:46:36.840 It's a hell of a thing.

00:46:38.200 And I hope folks got a lot out of it.

00:46:40.420 I certainly did.

00:46:41.220 And congratulations on your 44th book, Trump's Triumph, on sale June 3rd.

00:46:48.760 Good sale.

00:46:49.940 Good to see you.

00:46:50.840 Thank you, sir.

00:46:51.460 It was a lot of fun.

00:46:52.260 I hope you enjoyed it.

00:46:59.420 Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes here.

00:47:01.660 Diddy's former protege, television personality, Danity King alum, Aubrey O'Day,

00:47:07.020 joins us to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation.

00:47:12.540 It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real.

00:47:17.460 I went through things there.

00:47:19.580 Listen to Amy and T.J. presents Aubrey O'Day covering the Diddy trial on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:47:29.020 Have you ever thought about going Boy Sober?

00:47:33.120 I'm Hope Woodard, a comedian, creator, and seeker of male validation.

00:47:38.600 I'm also the girl behind Boy Sober, the movement that exploded in 2024.

00:47:44.940 You might hear that term and think it's about celibacy.

00:47:48.060 But to me, Boy Sober is about understanding yourself outside of sex and relationships.

00:47:52.920 It's flexible, it's customizable, and it's a personal process.

00:47:58.260 Singleness is not a waiting room.

00:47:59.940 You are actually at the party right now.

00:48:02.400 Let me hear it.

00:48:04.020 Listen to Boy Sober on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:48:09.640 A lot of times, big economic forces show up in our lives in small ways.

00:48:16.520 Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.

00:48:23.300 Small but important ways.

00:48:25.340 From tech billionaires to the bond market to, yeah, banana pudding.

00:48:29.200 If it's happening in business, our new podcast is on it.

00:48:32.240 I'm Max Chafkin.

00:48:33.000 And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith.

00:48:35.220 So listen to everybody's business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:48:41.580 The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States.

00:48:46.180 Recipients have done the improbable, the unexpected, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.

00:48:54.920 This medal is for the men who went down that day.

00:48:58.240 On Medal of Honor, Stories of Courage, you'll hear about these heroes.

00:49:02.440 And what their stories tell us about the nature of bravery.

00:49:06.100 Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:49:11.480 What happens when we come face to face with death?

00:49:14.620 My truck was blown up by a 20-pound anti-tank mine.

00:49:17.320 My parachute did not deploy.

00:49:19.060 I was kidnapped by a drug cartel.

00:49:22.040 When we step beyond the edge of what we know.

00:49:24.360 I clinically died.

00:49:25.900 The heart stopped beating.

00:49:26.680 Which I was dead for 11.5 minutes.

00:49:29.300 In return.

00:49:29.980 It's a miracle I was brought back.

00:49:31.660 Alive again.

00:49:32.440 A podcast about the strength of the human spirit.

00:49:35.060 Listen to Alive again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

00:49:40.900 This is an iHeart Podcast.

00:49:42.160 You're welcome.

00:49:42.640 You're welcome.

00:49:43.940 This is an iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you are.

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This is Gavin Newsom - May 30, 2025

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