This is Gavin Newsom - And, This is Ryan Murphy On The Menendez Brothers, The Kennedys, and Kim Kardashian

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00:02:49.040 This is Gavin Newsom.

00:03:00.120 From Gleed and Nip Tuck, Monsters, the Lyle, and Eric Menendez story, one of the most prolific writers, producers, and directors in Hollywood today, this is Ryan Murphy.

00:03:11.840 So let me get a window into your day.

00:03:15.800 Okay.

00:03:16.280 Speaking of windows.

00:03:17.760 Ready.

00:03:18.420 I mean, where do you even hang out on an Emmy nomination day?

00:03:23.320 Is that, I mean, or is this old hat for you and you just, you know, it's nice, you act humble, you say, yeah, it's the work, we just put it out.

00:03:31.600 If it's well received, I'm honored.

00:03:32.980 Or do you sit there with your cell phone and assistance and just bated breath waiting for the Emmy stuff to come out?

00:03:41.520 It's funny because I used to do that.

00:03:43.400 So I started, I had my first Emmy nomination in 2003 for directing the pilot of Nip Tuck.

00:03:52.900 I would say through Nip Tuck, Glee, American Horror Story, even People vs. OJ, like I was, you know, they used to do it at 5.30 in the morning and now they mercifully moved it to 8.30 to be on the New York newscast.

00:04:07.840 So I used to be up at the crack of dawn and I would sit there and I'd pace and, you know, have my coffee and worry.

00:04:17.280 The interesting thing about it is today my company received its 350th Emmy nomination, which was a big number for me because I've only been doing this for like 21 years.

00:04:31.400 So I found that out later, but that put it in perspective.

00:04:35.460 No, what happened is I went to bed and I thought, I'm going to wake up, I'm going to wake up.

00:04:39.940 And then I woke up and then I forgot and then I remembered and I turned off my phone and I went to the live feed and I just watched them come in and I wrote down all the different ones that my company got.

00:04:53.260 And, you know, for me at this point, it's all gravy, but I was thrilled.

00:04:56.880 I was thrilled for, thrilled for like people like, you know, Javier Bardem, who's a legend.

00:05:03.220 I think it's his first Emmy nomination and, you know, Cooper Koch, who plays Eric Menendez, first Emmy nomination.

00:05:09.620 So for the people who were, you know, first time at bat, it's amazing.

00:05:13.680 And then you call everybody.

00:05:14.940 Yeah, it's a, it's a very strange feeling to go from like the underdog to the institution.

00:05:24.060 So you say, does it like, it's just, it's all a blessing, you know, and I feel happy about it, but I'm, I'm oddly very competitive.

00:05:32.700 Like it is.

00:05:33.540 Yeah, it matters, right?

00:05:34.460 Like for me, you're probably a sports guy, you know, sports, like, so the Oscars and the Emmys and the Grammys were my Superbowl, my World Series.

00:05:42.960 So it's, it's, it's a childhood thing.

00:05:45.860 And when you say underdog, you mean you're still that guy just starting out?

00:05:50.220 And that was, I mean, so you still have that person.

00:05:53.640 I mean, you know, when I first started out, it was a really different time in our culture.

00:05:59.940 And the stuff that I was writing was pretty boundary pushing and I was always told that you were never, it was never going to go.

00:06:06.040 You were never going to get anywhere.

00:06:07.080 So then when it would click and it would be a hit, I would always be surprised, but people would write, you know, underdog, underdog, new, new kid, new kid in town.

00:06:17.920 I'm no longer the new kid.

00:06:19.320 I'm old.

00:06:19.820 I have three children.

00:06:20.920 And, um, uh, but it's, it is still a thrill.

00:06:23.760 I'm always shocked where it's like, it's a dopamine buzz.

00:06:26.780 Yeah.

00:06:26.980 And also sometimes you don't get in like, and I also.

00:06:30.560 I have those years, but, um, to, to make it into the big three race, comedy, drama, limited, it's, it's a thrill.

00:06:38.460 And what is, I mean, over the years, how much pressure, because it is, it's unbelievable how many projects you're working on at the same time, how many projects have been under the belt, et cetera.

00:06:49.620 And the success obviously you've had, but I mean, how about the pressure you put on yourself to constantly, I mean, you're competing against this guy, Ryan Murphy.

00:06:59.040 Mm-hmm.

00:06:59.720 Like you got, you're competing against yourself.

00:07:01.620 You're only as good as your next film, your next, this, your next, or do you feel like that?

00:07:06.020 Or is this just all gravy?

00:07:08.180 All gravy.

00:07:08.240 And you're like, man, I got nothing to prove.

00:07:10.280 You know, for me, I just got named into the hall of fame.

00:07:12.900 And the ceremony's in the middle of the August.

00:07:15.120 And like, you know, for my business, that's kind of, all right, you did it.

00:07:19.060 So like, why am I still chasing the carrot?

00:07:21.860 You know, I got the carrot.

00:07:22.860 I don't feel that way anymore.

00:07:24.460 Yeah.

00:07:24.600 I used to sweat every award nomination and every ratings point.

00:07:28.900 And now I, you know, I really just do one new thing every quarter, maybe one and a half

00:07:34.500 every quarter.

00:07:35.500 Right now I'm working on six shows.

00:07:39.020 I have six shows coming out starting in September, one a month.

00:07:43.900 And you know, if you're-

00:07:44.540 Well, that's not one every quarter.

00:07:45.960 I'm just talking about since the hall of fame.

00:07:47.820 Oh, okay.

00:07:48.280 Oh, Jesus.

00:07:48.880 This is pre-hall of fame, right?

00:07:50.140 Okay, fine.

00:07:50.640 I had something to prove.

00:07:51.820 Yeah, okay.

00:07:53.040 But you know, I have something coming out in September, October, November.

00:07:56.200 I have a very big slate.

00:07:58.040 But moving forward, I'm just kind of, you know, my kids are young.

00:08:02.300 And I'm just trying to concentrate more on my family.

00:08:05.020 And all the things I'm working on, I'm just fascinated by.

00:08:10.220 But when you're in the volume business, you have to realize you can't, you know, not everything

00:08:16.400 can be a hit.

00:08:17.040 Some things aren't going to work and they're going to break your heart.

00:08:19.200 But show business breaks your heart.

00:08:21.000 You know, only mentally disturbed people go into people, just like politics. 0.90

00:08:24.880 Only if you were a usually unloved child would you go into needing that kind of-

00:08:30.280 It's early childhood trauma.

00:08:30.940 It is.

00:08:31.240 Not enough hugs from mom.

00:08:32.520 I mean, that's how I feel.

00:08:34.040 Is it?

00:08:34.280 With enough psychiatry, yeah.

00:08:35.800 That's why I don't go.

00:08:36.860 That's why I don't want to go to therapy.

00:08:38.040 I don't want to know.

00:08:39.100 I don't want to know.

00:08:40.080 But I went through that.

00:08:40.980 And I'm like, oh yeah, this hole's never going to be filled up.

00:08:43.240 So it doesn't really matter.

00:08:44.280 Where I just like that I'm able to, I have a very large company and just so many thousands,

00:08:53.720 if not hundreds of thousands of jobs that I'm able to create.

00:08:57.380 Like that in my dotage is the thing that I'm actually the most excited about.

00:09:01.680 When you say volume business, I mean, that's, that is the business or it's become the business

00:09:07.000 or it's the side of the business that you want to pull back from and just focus on quality

00:09:13.460 or is it quality and quantity?

00:09:15.640 I mean, how do you balance the creative, the artists at the same time, the commercial with

00:09:20.460 everything?

00:09:22.340 It's funny.

00:09:23.060 When I started off, I would go, I started off as a journalist.

00:09:26.460 So I moved to California and I think I told you this years ago when we first met, like

00:09:30.560 I was paid, if I didn't do three stories a day, I would not be paid for the week.

00:09:35.120 And I had to do 15 stories a week to get a paycheck.

00:09:39.020 And I was young and living up coffee and cigarettes.

00:09:41.540 And so I've never understood the concept of writer's block.

00:09:44.800 I was lucky in that I had that journalistic training, like you just write through it.

00:09:48.780 Love it.

00:09:49.260 And when I started off, I would do like one thing, but I had so many interests in like

00:09:56.380 in my journalistic days, I would cover so much territory, you know.

00:10:00.860 And you were working for the Miami Herald, you were working at LA Times, Washington Post.

00:10:04.280 Post, LA Times, Vogue, Entertainment.

00:10:04.880 And what was the, what was the job?

00:10:06.620 Was it in the, in what, what was, you're not doing sports.

00:10:11.360 You weren't necessarily doing daily news.

00:10:13.580 What were you doing primarily?

00:10:15.240 Or what was it?

00:10:15.640 Well, I started off as a crime reporter.

00:10:17.180 Crime.

00:10:17.580 That's it.

00:10:17.960 I, you know, I, I started off in journalism when the purple section of USA Today came

00:10:24.720 about the life section.

00:10:26.460 So I was going to be a journalist.

00:10:29.320 And there weren't a lot of people specializing in being culture reporters.

00:10:32.680 So in college, I started to do that.

00:10:35.220 But when I came out to LA, I was covering everything from crime, the riots to the Zsa Zsa

00:10:41.800 Gabor trial.

00:10:42.540 It was very bizarre, but, you know, I was just like in my car driving around trying to find

00:10:46.760 stories.

00:10:47.280 Um, and from that, I developed a lot of interests and my business, you know, I start my day

00:10:54.840 very early and, um, I do editing and story meetings and then I put the kids to bed and

00:11:01.640 I stay up till one 30 or two in the morning preparing for the next meeting.

00:11:06.680 So when I walk into a room, I'm not somebody who says, well, what do you think?

00:11:10.580 I'm like, okay, well, this is what we're doing.

00:11:12.080 Cause I'm being paid to have a vision.

00:11:14.820 And also at this point, I have enough hours structurally to figure out, it's not that I

00:11:20.960 don't take input cause I do, but my job is to have a, uh, people want to be led as you

00:11:25.380 know, they want to be following a direction.

00:11:27.260 Um, so my business now is there's some things that are just really big commercial hits in

00:11:33.620 my company that I have other people run like Tim Meneer, my great friend runs the 9-1-1

00:11:39.280 franchises.

00:11:40.160 The only thing my older child likes that I've ever done.

00:11:43.260 9-1-1 Nashville.

00:11:44.360 He, we're starting 9-1-1 Nashville comes on in September.

00:11:47.260 And then I do, um, I, it's, it's crazy.

00:11:52.360 The things I do, like it's all over the map.

00:11:54.020 I have a show on Netflix called monsters that I love.

00:11:57.160 I have, um, other things I'm developing for FX.

00:12:01.240 I'm doing this thing called the beauty with Jeremy Pope and Evan Peters and Rebecca Hall

00:12:05.000 and Anthony Ramos.

00:12:06.460 That's, um, kind of a sci-fi show, which I've never done before.

00:12:10.740 A lot of action, which I've never done before.

00:12:13.660 Um, that I'm doing the JFK Carolyn Bessette.

00:12:16.420 Yes, you are.

00:12:17.560 And next, what, February?

00:12:18.920 Comes out on Valentine's Day.

00:12:20.320 I've been dodging a lot of heat for that.

00:12:22.740 How do you, by the way, I don't even want to go down that rabbit hole, but I, but yeah,

00:12:26.740 I mean, right.

00:12:27.260 The family, you know, and consultant or something.

00:12:29.540 How do you, how do you even, how do you process that?

00:12:33.500 I tie, I try and have some humility about it.

00:12:35.960 You know, for example, on that show, and I haven't really spoken about this, you know,

00:12:39.720 when you're starting a show based on a famous person, you're usually able to, for a

00:12:44.960 couple of days say, well, let's try that.

00:12:46.720 And let's try this and let's try that.

00:12:48.520 And then you look at the dailies and you adjust, right?

00:12:51.660 It used to be that you shot the first episode and then you went down and you corrected everything.

00:12:56.120 And then you went back up.

00:12:57.340 It was called pilots.

00:12:58.560 They don't do that anymore.

00:12:59.640 Yeah.

00:12:59.920 Great point.

00:13:00.360 So that show was the double whammy of, you know, we were shooting a couple of things

00:13:04.600 and I guess it's a blessing that people went absolutely ape shit crazy about, you got the

00:13:10.660 purse wrong, you got the hair wrong. 0.99

00:13:12.640 So it would be stupid not to listen to that. 0.99

00:13:16.440 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:16.720 Yeah.

00:13:16.880 Yeah.

00:13:17.100 And I looked at, I'm like, yeah, they're right.

00:13:19.040 We, we should not have Carolyn Bessette, our actress, Rebecca Pidgeon had black hair. 0.57

00:13:24.500 It's a lot to ask an actress with dark hair to go blonde. 0.98

00:13:28.400 And so I was trying to do wigs and work around that. 0.98

00:13:31.160 But finally, I was like, you know, we, we have to, we have to Sarah Pidgeon, we have

00:13:37.180 to, we have to dye your hair. 1.00

00:13:38.740 So it's not going to work.

00:13:39.460 Um, so we corrected that.

00:13:43.920 And then the thing that I was not prepared for was sort of the Kennedy firestorm.

00:13:48.720 Right.

00:13:50.120 Which I thought was very strange because they're, they're, nobody's read anything.

00:13:54.460 It's very sympathetic, by the way.

00:13:56.560 So it's a love story.

00:13:57.760 It's not a takedown.

00:13:58.880 Right.

00:13:59.040 Yeah.

00:13:59.180 It's a story about youth taken too soon and idealism, things that we need more in politics.

00:14:05.780 Nice.

00:14:06.140 You know, um, JFK Jr. was probably going to be on that path of his father.

00:14:12.460 Understatement.

00:14:13.180 Um, so it's a tragedy.

00:14:15.540 Yeah.

00:14:15.960 So then you have a member of the family, you know, speaking out and I took it with a grain

00:14:23.640 of salt and, you know, it's a younger generation, but I will say in finality about that project,

00:14:29.540 you know, there've been over 88 things, movies and television shows about the Kennedys.

00:14:33.720 Right.

00:14:34.280 Not one has ever been authorized by the family.

00:14:37.540 I never even thought they wanted to do that.

00:14:40.300 So ours is based on a book that's very sympathetic to both people, both people, um, with Paul and

00:14:49.060 Sarah playing, you know, their hearts out.

00:14:51.100 So that was, that was an odd, dark moment for me where I've never.

00:14:54.660 That criticism hurt.

00:14:56.380 I thought it was an odd choice to be mad about your, your, um, relative that you really don't

00:15:03.840 remember.

00:15:05.580 I think, but you know this from being in the public eye yourself, like the days of civil

00:15:11.200 discourse are over.

00:15:12.800 No doubt.

00:15:13.200 And it's very hard and you kind of either get into the muck or you try and rise above

00:15:18.080 it.

00:15:18.440 Yeah.

00:15:19.020 Um, I found that hard to do, but I did it and I'm, I just have a better attitude about

00:15:26.340 it.

00:15:26.500 I think that I did before I started and, you know, but I'm also thankful for the criticism

00:15:30.220 because if you're smart, you listen to critical voices and you say, okay, let's great.

00:15:38.080 And we fixed it.

00:15:39.300 We, we, we, we rolled up our sleeves and we listened to people and corrected it.

00:15:43.680 And I liked doing that.

00:15:48.380 So what happened at Chappaquiddick?

00:15:50.360 Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

00:15:52.620 There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into

00:15:57.680 a pond.

00:15:58.620 And left a woman behind to drown. 0.94

00:16:01.660 There's a famous headline, I think in the New York daily news, it's Teddy escapes, blonde 1.00

00:16:06.440 drowns.

00:16:07.160 And in a strange way, right?

00:16:09.500 That sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's political future.

00:16:13.840 Ted's political hopes.

00:16:15.080 Will Ted become president?

00:16:16.380 Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.

00:16:20.680 And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.

00:16:23.860 The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it.

00:16:27.920 So is there a curse?

00:16:29.200 Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

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00:16:40.260 American history is full of wise people.

00:16:49.080 What woman said something like, you know, 99.99% of war is diarrhea and 1% is glory.

00:16:55.540 Those founding fathers were gossipy AF and they love to cut each other down.

00:17:01.420 I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, the show where you send us your questions

00:17:07.040 about American history and I find the answers, including the nuggets of wisdom our history

00:17:13.080 has to offer.

00:17:14.380 Hamilton pauses and then he says, the greatest man that ever lived was Julius Caesar.

00:17:19.260 And Jefferson writes in his diary, this proves that Hamilton is for a dictator based on corruption.

00:17:26.660 My favorite line was what Neil Armstrong said, it would have been harder to fake it than

00:17:31.720 to do it.

00:17:32.820 Listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

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00:17:39.820 Just like great shoes, great books take you places through unforgettable love stories and

00:17:49.480 into conversations with characters you'll never forget.

00:17:52.740 I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies.

00:17:57.360 I'm Danielle Robay and this is Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, the new podcast from Hello

00:18:02.020 Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts.

00:18:04.240 Every week I sit down with your favorite book lovers, authors, celebrities, book talkers, and

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00:20:16.240 See, but you take on these projects that, by definition, everyone feels very attached and connected to. 0.68

00:20:24.340 Which I'm stupid because I never think that.

00:20:26.720 Like, I'm like, what? 0.99

00:20:28.260 Like, what?

00:20:28.920 Like, I always am drawn to things that I guess are naturally provocative.

00:20:39.100 Yeah.

00:20:39.380 But I don't think of them as being that.

00:20:41.360 And then I put them out, and people have huge opinions of them.

00:20:46.260 And I'm always like, wait, what?

00:20:47.760 I don't understand.

00:20:49.080 But that's a blessing and a curse, you know?

00:20:52.600 And does this, I mean, is it you?

00:20:55.260 Is it a team of people saying, hey, Ryan, I got this great idea.

00:20:59.620 You know, it's been a few years since Jackie or this or that.

00:21:02.960 I mean, Menendez, where there's a couple of things that weren't, here's a new angle.

00:21:06.360 Or is it you just, you know, you're constantly absorbing and you're sort of picking.

00:21:10.660 I mean, your ability to sort of this intersection of how you're able to pull genres and sort of connect dots that other people have seen.

00:21:17.860 Is that you?

00:21:19.600 Or is that the team you've assembled?

00:21:21.620 And is that expression, as it relates to your leadership, your ability to sort of create the conditions where this kind of creativity formats?

00:21:30.740 Well, first and foremost, you know, I have amazing collaborators, many of whom I've had for many years.

00:21:35.600 Like, you know, Brad Simpson and Nina Jacobson, who did Versace and OJ with me and Pose with me.

00:21:41.820 And Ian Brennan, who does all of the monster scripts, is one of the most brilliant, if not the most brilliant writers I've ever worked with.

00:21:48.940 I work with Max Winkler, who is Henry Winkler's son, who's an amazing collaborator.

00:21:53.540 Many, many people.

00:21:54.820 But it really kind of, my world, my company starts with me saying, hey, I'm interested in that.

00:22:00.200 In that, yeah.

00:22:00.740 And then I assemble people and we have points of view.

00:22:03.660 Sometimes I'm very hands-on.

00:22:06.560 Sometimes I'm more like, well, you write a script and show it to me and I'll give you thoughts.

00:22:10.420 But anything that I make, I have really big opinions on because I'm passionate about it.

00:22:17.180 And over the years, have you learned through trial and error the things you weren't passionate about were reflected negatively in the outcome?

00:22:25.520 Oh, yeah.

00:22:26.360 I mean, truly.

00:22:27.580 Oh, yeah.

00:22:27.980 Like, you just, that was, it showed.

00:22:30.540 Well, the biggest bomb I ever had was a sitcom.

00:22:33.680 I've really only had one or two misfires in my career.

00:22:37.260 I just had one NBC thing, right?

00:22:39.380 You're so, yeah.

00:22:40.400 No, but that was it.

00:22:41.160 That was it.

00:22:41.800 One year.

00:22:43.080 One season.

00:22:44.640 Yes.

00:22:44.960 The other ones, I've made the decision, okay, that's not for me.

00:22:47.960 Maybe I don't want to keep doing it because, you know, in my contract, I can make those decisions now.

00:22:52.680 Right.

00:22:52.940 But, yeah, I made a thing called The New Normal because I'm like, you know what?

00:22:58.500 These Modern Family guys are raking in the dough with this half hour.

00:23:01.640 I want to try a half hour sitcom.

00:23:03.480 And I tried it, and I loved the talent, particularly Andrew Rannells, who loosely played me, you know.

00:23:12.140 Ellen Barkin was amazing, and Justin Bartha was amazing.

00:23:15.320 And I got somebody like Max Winkler.

00:23:17.080 That was the first time I worked with him.

00:23:18.240 But it just was not me.

00:23:21.460 It wasn't.

00:23:22.240 I don't think it was dark enough.

00:23:23.920 Or my comedy tends to be much more sardonic or sarcastic, and it's a family show, you know.

00:23:32.200 Right.

00:23:32.580 I learned, like, no.

00:23:34.320 And was that chasing, as you say, back to the competitor in you?

00:23:39.560 Yeah.

00:23:40.080 You were chasing competition, or was it chasing money, success in that respect, both?

00:23:45.300 What?

00:23:46.420 When you look back?

00:23:46.960 Well, it was two things.

00:23:48.000 Like, I mean, the big comedy of that time that was dealing with, you know, provocative issues was Modern Family.

00:23:53.540 And I was a big fan of that show, and I knew those guys from award show circuits, because it was always us, them versus Glee.

00:24:01.160 Yeah, right.

00:24:01.580 I did Glee.

00:24:02.980 But I wanted the money, to be honest.

00:24:04.640 Like, I was like, you know, there's nothing better than to have a half hour that works.

00:24:09.620 You know, because, but back then, that was where the clash flowed.

00:24:13.260 Well, pre-streaming, you could, you know, syndicate it forever.

00:24:16.700 I love it.

00:24:17.520 And that was always one of the holy grails of show business.

00:24:20.940 This thing that Norman Lear told me.

00:24:23.920 Yeah.

00:24:24.700 Who I was friends with.

00:24:25.760 He said, kid, get a half hour.

00:24:27.360 Get a, and I was like, okay.

00:24:29.060 I tried, and I just couldn't do it.

00:24:30.960 I had a great collaborator in Allie Adler, but I just could not do it.

00:24:34.360 Yeah.

00:24:34.500 And I hated doing it.

00:24:36.120 Yeah.

00:24:36.380 Like, I did, it was like, it wasn't me.

00:24:38.120 It was just like, I had an allergy to it.

00:24:39.760 And I've had other things that I've tried, where I'm like, nah, maybe I'll pick it up down the road.

00:24:46.180 This wasn't the right fit for me right now.

00:24:47.720 Right.

00:24:47.980 But what, on the flip side, just something that just, you know, you didn't expect, but you just, that popped.

00:24:56.320 God, so many things.

00:24:57.520 I mean, almost all of my big hits were, and I've had a handful, more than a handful, are things that people said, this will never work.

00:25:05.540 Yeah.

00:25:05.740 And I had great mentors in Dana Walden, who we were talking about, and John Landgraf, and Ted Sarandos, for example.

00:25:12.560 Glee was told it was a horrible show by people in that company.

00:25:19.020 But Dana stuck with it.

00:25:21.200 American Horror Story, everyone is like, what?

00:25:23.180 You're going to burn down the sets at the end of the year and start over?

00:25:26.620 It made no sense.

00:25:27.480 Right, right.

00:25:28.780 John Landgraf was with it.

00:25:30.240 Nobody, you know, I tried to get the Jeffrey Dahmer story made for a decade.

00:25:35.940 Couldn't get that made.

00:25:37.260 I was shocked that that was so big.

00:25:39.500 I would say almost everything that I've had that is successful, I'm surprised by.

00:25:44.180 Did you know Menendez would be such a huge global?

00:25:47.380 I mean, it was worldwide, just off the charts, right?

00:25:49.660 12 million or something within that first weekend.

00:25:52.840 I don't, I don't, those are, I mean.

00:25:55.160 You know, it was interesting because I realized, like, what was the thing that made Dahmer so popular?

00:26:05.280 Right.

00:26:05.460 And I think it was, it was scary.

00:26:07.620 Yeah.

00:26:08.380 You know, it was your secret about the guy next door who's, you know, doing dastardly things.

00:26:15.260 Menendez, I always thought, was smaller because it was a Rashomon story, a whodunit, like, why not whodunit, but why do they do it?

00:26:22.200 But, um, I was surprised, I was, I was very surprised that, um, it became such a lightning rod literally within a day.

00:26:34.060 I was very surprised initially that the brothers, um, spoke out so vociferously against it.

00:26:41.560 You didn't expect that, right?

00:26:42.420 No, and I was very surprised where, you know, two months ago they thanked me and said, you know, actually you, you helped us.

00:26:49.080 Like, you, you did a good thing.

00:26:51.060 Um, I was surprised at that.

00:26:53.200 Um, I'm always, I'm always surprised at success and I always expect failure, I guess.

00:27:00.620 You're that guy?

00:27:01.440 It's the Irish in you?

00:27:03.600 Yeah, because, like, you know, I have always lived my life as a Catholic.

00:27:08.400 Yeah.

00:27:09.240 I was an altar boy, right?

00:27:10.680 So my motto of my life.

00:27:11.980 Singing in the choir of all things.

00:27:13.840 Yes, and running cross country, don't forget.

00:27:15.820 I was a jock a little bit, forgive me, Jesus.

00:27:18.640 My motto in my life has been, guess what happens when the Pope dies?

00:27:21.400 You get a new Pope.

00:27:22.920 That's always what I have been raised to think.

00:27:25.560 Yeah.

00:27:25.940 So if something doesn't work out, roll up your sleeves and try again.

00:27:31.040 You know, when I started off, I was in a writer's group of six people.

00:27:34.920 I was in two writers group.

00:27:36.320 The first one, they were all much more talented than me, but the problem was they just, they gave up.

00:27:41.180 They got one rejection, and they literally psychologically, you know, you're in politics.

00:27:47.080 It's hard.

00:27:47.860 It's devastating when you're not chosen, you know, and in politics, like in show business, you've won big.

00:27:53.840 You know that feeling where you win, and you also know the feeling, well, maybe not.

00:27:58.120 I don't think you've ever really publicly lost that much, but, you know, you've had a great.

00:28:02.820 A great recall efforts.

00:28:04.160 I mean, it's been up to the edge, but yeah.

00:28:06.240 But you beat it.

00:28:07.240 Yeah, we beat it.

00:28:07.740 There's no.

00:28:08.500 No, but the loss.

00:28:09.440 That, I've not experienced that.

00:28:10.800 And, you know, I've had friends who've run for big offices and lost, and it's devastating.

00:28:15.020 Yeah.

00:28:15.180 It's personal.

00:28:15.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:16.560 And I guess.

00:28:17.680 You didn't feel that way.

00:28:18.880 You felt that way, but you were resilient.

00:28:21.980 I just was like, what can I learn from it?

00:28:24.380 And I always take to my bed for a day.

00:28:27.100 You know, I always am like, I have a martini and take to my bed.

00:28:31.000 But then I'm like, all right, well, what are you going to do here?

00:28:32.960 You go on, because the next one might be a hit.

00:28:35.220 And in my case, I've been blessed enough that that's exactly what happened in my career.

00:28:40.800 So what happened at Chappaquiddick?

00:28:45.760 Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

00:28:48.020 There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond.

00:28:54.000 And left a woman behind to drown. 0.94

00:28:56.580 There's a famous headline, I think, in the New York Daily News.

00:28:59.840 It's, Teddy escapes, blonde drowns. 0.92

00:29:02.680 And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes.

00:29:10.460 Will Ted become president?

00:29:11.800 Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.

00:29:16.060 And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.

00:29:18.800 The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it.

00:29:23.340 So is there a curse?

00:29:24.600 Every week, we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

00:29:29.580 Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:29:35.640 American history is full of wise people.

00:29:44.600 What women said something like, you know, 99.99% of war is diarrhea and 1% is glory. 1.00

00:29:50.940 Those founding fathers were gossipy AF and they love to cut each other down.

00:29:56.800 I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, the show where you send us your questions about American history and I find the answers.

00:30:05.640 Including the nuggets of wisdom our history has to offer.

00:30:09.840 Hamilton pauses and then he says, the greatest man that ever lived was Julius Caesar.

00:30:15.020 And Jefferson writes in his diary, this proves that Hamilton is for a dictator based on corruption.

00:30:21.620 My favorite line was what Neil Armstrong said, it would have been harder to fake it than to do it.

00:30:28.220 Listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:30:35.640 Just like great shoes, great books take you places.

00:30:42.980 Through unforgettable love stories and into conversations with characters you'll never forget.

00:30:48.140 I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies.

00:30:52.720 I'm Danielle Robay and this is Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club.

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00:30:59.520 Every week I sit down with your favorite book lovers, authors, celebrities, book talkers, and more to explore the stories that shape us, on the page and off.

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00:31:36.680 What's up, guys? Welcome to Augusto, Papa, the go-to spot for everything Musica Mexicana.

00:31:45.100 We're proud Mexican-Americans who live and breathe this music.

00:31:48.080 We started this podcast to share and discuss our views on Musica Mexicana.

00:31:52.080 Whether you like Peso Pluma, Los Alegres del Barranco, Ariel Camacho, or Ivan Cornejo when you get in your feels, then this podcast is for you.

00:31:59.480 We deep dive into music reviews.

00:32:01.360 Peso Pluma show last year, everything was a 10 out of 10.

00:32:04.440 Fashion and lifestyle inspired by the roots of Musica Mexicana, the craziest controversies and chismes. 1.00

00:32:09.780 I don't have nothing against Fuerza, you know, and I don't think J.O.P. should be mad at me.

00:32:13.380 Song and artist comparisons, competition in the scene.

00:32:16.300 There is competition, there is sides to this.

00:32:19.460 There's Peso Pluma, Double P, and there's J.O.P., Street Mob. 0.70

00:32:23.340 I think at the end of the day, it's business, it's all competition.

00:32:26.360 And of course, our personal stories and opinions along the way.

00:32:29.340 This isn't just a podcast, it's a movement for fans who live Musica Mexicana every single day.

00:32:33.800 Listen to Augusto Papa as part of the My Cultura podcast network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:32:41.740 Hi, everyone.

00:32:42.820 It's Janae, a.k.a. Cheekies, from Cheekies and Chill Podcast.

00:32:47.100 And I'm launching an all-new mini podcast series called Sincerely, Janae.

00:32:51.160 Sure, I'm a singer, author, businesswoman, and podcaster.

00:32:54.500 But at the end of the day, I am human.

00:32:57.060 And that's why I'm sharing my ups and downs with you guys.

00:32:59.180 Hi, guys.

00:33:00.880 I was sitting here recording episodes of Dear Cheekies and Cheekies and Chill, and I just had to take a timeout and purge my thoughts and feelings here on Sincerely, Janae.

00:33:11.400 Because I've been so emotional lately, you guys.

00:33:15.100 Whether I'm in my feels, I've just had a breakthrough with my therapist, or I've just had a really deep conversation with my siblings,

00:33:21.320 or I'm in glam getting ready for an award show, I'm sharing my most intimate thoughts with you on the podcast.

00:33:27.940 You guys know I always keep it real with you guys, but this time I'm taking it to the next level.

00:33:32.700 Listen to Cheekies and Chill on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:33:37.620 Honestly, do you just write a list down of all these crazy ideas?

00:33:47.040 You're on a trip, taking a vacation, and then you see, you know, I don't know, you see a statue of someone, you're like,

00:33:54.160 I'm going to do a movie on Marcus Aurelius or something, or Da Vinci.

00:33:58.020 No one's talked about Da Vinci, and he's, you know, he's an interesting character, a cat.

00:34:02.560 And then 10 years later, you go back to the diary, and you go, oh, yeah, what about that Da Vinci idea?

00:34:06.980 I do have a little black book that always starts off, what about dot, dot, dot, right?

00:34:12.520 I have that.

00:34:13.620 I've been writing ideas down for, you know, 22 years.

00:34:17.680 The motto of my career is always do the opposite of what you just did.

00:34:20.940 So, for example, if you look at my fall, in September, I have 911 Nashville, which is very straight up the middle.

00:34:30.860 Americana, good guys, you know, solving problems.

00:34:35.740 Yeah.

00:34:36.160 You root for them, heroes.

00:34:37.780 Right.

00:34:39.020 And then I did the complete opposite of that, which then in October comes Monster Season 3, which is about Ed Gein.

00:34:47.760 Yeah.

00:34:48.580 Do you know Ed Gein?

00:34:49.320 No.

00:34:50.080 Okay.

00:34:50.620 Psycho was based on Ed Gein.

00:34:52.220 American Psycho.

00:34:53.060 Silence of the Lambs was based on Ed Gein.

00:34:55.600 I don't want to watch it.

00:34:56.660 Why do you want to watch all this negative stuff?

00:34:58.620 I don't know that it's negative.

00:34:59.820 You love all that stuff.

00:35:01.220 I remember, by the way, the Menendez, we were having full disclosure.

00:35:04.640 I think it was a lunch.

00:35:05.740 We did.

00:35:06.440 And you start talking to me about this and you all but said, I'm sorry.

00:35:10.460 You said you're sorry.

00:35:11.320 And I was like, I didn't fully appreciate how right you were to be sorry.

00:35:16.540 I'm not sure what people are going to say, but I think, well, this is what I knew from the Menendez thing.

00:35:24.180 I moved to L.A. in 1989.

00:35:27.660 So that was when you're new to a city and that double homicide happened soon after.

00:35:36.180 You felt it.

00:35:36.740 I was, you know, when I would see Dominic Dunn at the Chateau Marmont and, you know.

00:35:41.600 Yeah.

00:35:42.540 What I was aware of is that during COVID, a lot of young people on TikTok had made it a thing.

00:35:50.080 And I kind of, you know, I like to be aware of what people are saying culturally.

00:35:56.360 Listen, it hadn't even aired, but I think what I said to you.

00:35:58.880 That's right.

00:35:59.280 It hadn't even aired.

00:35:59.860 If TikTok is any indication, I think people will be very interested in this.

00:36:03.620 But again, I don't know.

00:36:04.260 It could be a bomb.

00:36:05.080 Yeah.

00:36:05.280 And the reason I said, we'll talk and here we are.

00:36:07.900 We'll talk only because you knew cause and effect.

00:36:10.680 It will bring this back.

00:36:12.320 There'll be conversations about their sentencing.

00:36:15.000 Yeah.

00:36:15.520 Ultimately led to their resentencing.

00:36:17.760 Yeah.

00:36:18.280 And we're just a few weeks away, August 21st and 2nd, I think, where the Pro Board is going to make a decision and make a recommendation.

00:36:28.440 To you.

00:36:28.900 It lands on my desk.

00:36:29.960 Right.

00:36:30.960 Mr. Murphy.

00:36:31.780 That's heavy stuff.

00:36:32.840 Heavy stuff.

00:36:34.100 And you know what?

00:36:34.920 But intentionally, and I remember that conversation with you.

00:36:37.720 I remember going back and I kept having a temptation to want to see it.

00:36:41.720 But with the recognition always in the back of my mind that this thing may land on my desk.

00:36:46.300 I don't want to be persuaded.

00:36:47.840 Right.

00:36:48.540 By something that's not in the files.

00:36:51.360 Yeah, I get that.

00:36:52.160 But also, I think it's interesting because when I was writing it, you know, we had an interesting writer's room where I was the one person in the room who kept saying, I'm not so sure.

00:37:09.760 I don't think they should, I don't think they should get out.

00:37:10.900 I was the voice of like, I don't know.

00:37:13.320 I don't think so.

00:37:13.660 You told me this at the lunch.

00:37:15.060 I remember you saying this to me.

00:37:16.340 And you know what I think that was, is I think generationally, young people have a much different way of identifying and talking about and navigating abuse than we did.

00:37:31.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:31.480 It's just like, I remember that trial too.

00:37:33.240 It wasn't even something you could imagine or, you know, people our age are very different than younger people in terms of what they see as abuse and they can talk about it.

00:37:45.260 We did not.

00:37:46.000 Yeah.

00:37:46.180 So in a weird way, what has happened through the show is I was really, really educated a lot by the other people in the writer's room and by the actors.

00:37:56.400 I was astonished at how I went into something with such a predetermined point of view and came out of it at the end of it thinking, you know, where I am today is I really do think they should be released.

00:38:09.680 I do think they should be paroled.

00:38:11.460 And I did not think that when I started.

00:38:16.940 Is that evolved very recently?

00:38:20.280 Has it evolved over the course of just that, that discourse with friends, people observing, people that watched?

00:38:28.820 Is it, I mean, is it, tell me what's been your journey in terms of coming to that conclusion?

00:38:33.980 It was just a lot of things.

00:38:35.500 It was, it was learning about, listen, what happened between the Menendez brothers was between them and their two parents and nobody else will ever know what happened.

00:38:44.300 Right.

00:38:44.620 Yeah.

00:38:44.820 Um, what happened to me was there was a lot of, of very interesting voices in my path along the way.

00:38:53.680 You know, for example, um, one of my good friends, who's the star of one of my shows coming up, Kim Kardashian, you may have heard of her, arguably the most famous woman on the face of the earth.

00:39:04.640 You know, she's a very big victim's rights advocate and she's very, very smart.

00:39:09.600 And she's, you know, I can't even get her on the phone to talk about our show right now because she's practicing for the bar. 0.99

00:39:15.540 And she's constantly reaching out, talking about cases, advocating for, um, for our fire crews that are part of our state prison.

00:39:24.880 I mean, a lot of substance there.

00:39:27.660 Yeah, she's an amazing person and, and very, very educated about this topic.

00:39:33.780 And so she went, she, she watched the show.

00:39:37.800 I sent it to her early because she said, what's, can I see this?

00:39:41.100 And I sent it to her early.

00:39:42.500 Yeah.

00:39:42.660 Yeah.

00:39:43.180 And she was really obsessed with it and then went to visit them and then called me up and said, you know, like, I really feel like they deserve to be paroled.

00:39:53.220 And I said, why?

00:39:54.020 And she talked a lot of, about a really interesting points of view that I had not really thought about, which is, you know, they were, they were under 25, um, you know, which I think is an interesting point of view.

00:40:08.460 Yeah.

00:40:08.680 There's many studies that shows, you know, the, the prefrontal cortex for men do not fully develop.

00:40:14.160 About 26.

00:40:15.460 So there's that argument.

00:40:16.980 Also, they've been model prisoners.

00:40:18.720 There's also, if I was very moved by their family recently and how the family is so unified.

00:40:26.340 And I guess it just begs the question, like, if not now, when, like what, what benefit to society do we have by keeping them there?

00:40:37.120 If they can come out of prison and actually serve some good, I think that's a powerful thing.

00:40:44.440 Yeah.

00:40:44.620 It's interesting. 0.99

00:40:45.200 The flip side is I've had people say what good can come from sending a message that you can kill both of your parents and be released. 1.00

00:40:51.440 Sure. 0.96

00:40:51.960 Why has society benefited with them being released?

00:40:55.140 Which is, I mean, it's interesting.

00:40:56.940 The parole process is a much more limited process.

00:40:59.220 You can't even get it.

00:41:00.080 The conversation there is have they exercised a process to rehabilitate themselves and through an independent psych evaluation and risk assessment, are they, quote unquote, suitable for parole on the basis of in prison behavior and a series of other criteria that's well established and laid out?

00:41:21.860 And so it's an almost separate, it's not almost, but it is a separate question than the broader feeling of whether or not it's the right or wrong thing.

00:41:30.780 So it's an interesting, for these things, it's why, for me, I didn't want to be colored or don't want to be colored by sort of the atmospherics.

00:41:36.940 I had to deal with this with Sirhan Sirhan.

00:41:38.800 Yeah.

00:41:39.240 Which was, that was, I mean, that's a whole nother, one of these days we'll see your efforts are, I want to see what you put together.

00:41:45.940 I think the Kennedys have had enough of me, by the way.

00:41:47.780 But let me ask you about, like, what about, you know, one of the recent Manson girls who was parole?

00:41:52.880 Tough, tough.

00:41:53.280 And how did you make that decision?

00:41:54.620 They're brutal.

00:41:55.020 I mean, I've had multiple opportunities and the burden opportunities, the gift, but anyone's perspective to make judgments on that.

00:42:03.240 There's a number of the Manson folks that have been rejected by the last three governors that I rejected a few times.

00:42:13.640 The last rejection was overturned by the court.

00:42:17.780 That felt we were, we were abusing our discretion in our parole office.

00:42:22.980 And they're tough.

00:42:24.100 I mean, it's, notoriety works in both ways.

00:42:26.780 Right.

00:42:27.480 It works absolutely for you, but it is a sword used against you at the same time.

00:42:33.240 And I think that's what the Menendez, what, what, what your series did is it really elevated that conversation as well.

00:42:39.860 Because there are a lot of other people in prison that don't get any attention, that don't even get in front of the parole board, that don't have advocates, that don't have Kim Kardashian making phone calls, that don't have their day in court, so to speak, at least the court of the parole board.

00:42:55.080 And, and so it's, you know, it's trying to balance all that.

00:42:58.480 Same time, you've got people that are releasing that have done equivalent or worse, that have spent less time.

00:43:06.920 Right.

00:43:07.200 Less time.

00:43:07.800 It's a very, it's a very slippery slope and it's a really hard road and I feel for you.

00:43:12.060 But, you know, I don't know.

00:43:16.760 It's sort of like the penal system in this country operates differently than any other country on earth and you have to question why.

00:43:26.640 And like, I mean, my God, if they could get out and help two people, like, isn't that worth it in some way?

00:43:33.220 I don't know.

00:43:33.640 Maybe I'm being too Catholic about it all, but it's, but I was astonished that I flipped. 0.68

00:43:39.480 That you flipped.

00:43:40.020 And I really did flip and I flipped.

00:43:41.920 No, because I don't, I don't remember how long ago that launch was, but you were, you were definitely not there.

00:43:47.220 I was not.

00:43:48.020 Because you asked me point blank and I said, I don't know.

00:43:50.980 I don't know.

00:43:51.460 I was very on the fence about it.

00:43:53.940 And, yeah.

00:43:56.380 And I'd also, I just think listening to people younger than you as part of the job for me at this point.

00:44:02.200 Yeah.

00:44:02.400 It reminds me of the general, there's a big generational shift happening in like Hollywood in particular.

00:44:10.720 And, and also maybe I'm just that age, but I tried to listen with an open heart and educate myself about abuse and victims.

00:44:23.060 And it was an interesting process for me.

00:44:25.300 And of course I love the show so much because you asked me, why are you making this gross thing all the time?

00:44:29.660 No, I mean, back to, yeah, back to, we'll get back to the Hannibal Lecter and this stuff.

00:44:33.700 Like, well, like it's a, it's a, it's a point of view.

00:44:36.000 Like trying to relax here and you're making me watch this stuff.

00:44:38.300 I'm trying to go to bed.

00:44:39.320 I got a beautiful, buzzy law show coming up with Kim Kardashian and Glenn Close.

00:44:44.520 That's what I need to be relaxed.

00:44:45.640 You need, I got enough stress in my life.

00:44:47.700 Okay.

00:44:48.340 Yeah.

00:44:48.640 I got something for you.

00:44:49.300 And you're introducing all this additional anxiety.

00:44:51.240 I know.

00:44:51.660 Murder Dahmer, seriously.

00:44:53.140 See, maybe you can now with, with you get this, what, the 21st, 22nd?

00:44:57.540 Yeah.

00:44:57.960 Then you can watch the Menendez brothers over your Labor Day trip.

00:45:00.760 I made, I'm going to do, see if I made the right decision.

00:45:03.160 Yeah, right.

00:45:03.580 I'm like, Jesus, I should have watched this before.

00:45:05.940 I would love for you to watch it actually.

00:45:07.900 Because the thing about that show that I love is it, it asks the question, are monsters made or are they born?

00:45:14.920 And you're, and what is your ultimate term?

00:45:16.800 I think ultimately in the case of these two brothers, I think they were made.

00:45:20.960 Made?

00:45:21.640 Yeah.

00:45:22.240 And you think that's always the case?

00:45:24.580 I think that's what I love about the show.

00:45:26.660 Like if it's very complicated, like you can be, you know, if you, you, you think about season three, which is coming up where Charlie Hunnam plays Ed Gein, which is not, you know, for the squeamish.

00:45:39.760 But really what it is about is this was an, this was a person who was mentally ill, who was an undiagnosed schizophrenic his entire life.

00:45:49.080 And not until it was too late, till he was in prison, I believe in his fifties, was he diagnosed.

00:45:56.240 So it really is sort of a story about mental health and awareness.

00:46:01.940 Right.

00:46:02.460 That's what I love about telling those stories.

00:46:04.280 I'm not in it for the blood.

00:46:05.760 No, I'm not in it for the gore.

00:46:07.460 I'm in it for like, well, what is it?

00:46:08.900 Was he made or was he born that way?

00:46:10.840 Yeah.

00:46:11.060 And I think that that story of Ed Gein is both.

00:46:15.020 He was born that way and made that way.

00:46:17.380 And are you, do you do, I mean, so you have a team doing that research, but you're writing, I mean, you're, I mean, as you're writing this, is it coming from your own research?

00:46:26.560 Yeah.

00:46:26.860 Is it?

00:46:27.440 I mean, on all of my shows that are, are, you know, true stories.

00:46:32.400 I would say, based on my research, like I have a very large amount of, of researchers who spend years before we write something.

00:46:43.840 Like if you look at, at Gein, JFK, Carolyn Bissette, we spend a lot of time, you know, because those things, what you try and do with the biopic, right.

00:46:55.120 Is you don't want to do a Wikipedia thing.

00:46:57.300 Right.

00:46:57.420 You want to find like the most bizarre factoids that you're like, oh, that like.

00:47:02.400 Yeah.

00:47:02.700 Yeah.

00:47:03.200 You know, I remember when we were doing Dahmer, I was astonished by the fact that he, and I had never heard this before, that he in prison would play whale noises to fall asleep.

00:47:16.160 Like you can't make that up.

00:47:17.240 No.

00:47:17.620 You cannot make that up.

00:47:18.700 No.

00:47:18.920 So I was like, well, we have to put that in.

00:47:20.720 And that launched the sound of the score.

00:47:23.520 Like, it's fascinating.

00:47:25.840 You should watch it.

00:47:26.920 You would like it.

00:47:27.600 I told you, I can handle glee.

00:47:29.620 What is your favorite show on TV right now?

00:47:32.120 Jesus.

00:47:32.440 As a pop culture guy.

00:47:33.560 You watch stuff.

00:47:34.260 I watch a little stuff.

00:47:35.380 Not a lot of stuff.

00:47:36.300 You called me to say, you got to watch The Politician.

00:47:38.740 Remember, you did that.

00:47:39.840 Okay.

00:47:40.120 So you probably, I'm guessing.

00:47:40.860 You said you're going to watch that.

00:47:42.220 So I watched that.

00:47:42.960 You're a Ted Lasso guy, right?

00:47:44.780 I enjoy that.

00:47:44.980 I love that.

00:47:46.620 Makes me feel good, man.

00:47:48.020 Like a little tear in my eye.

00:47:49.760 I need a little happiness.

00:47:50.200 I appreciate that.

00:47:50.860 I love that show.

00:47:51.520 Yeah.

00:47:51.960 Right.

00:47:52.440 Lasso is great.

00:47:53.360 Life is so, here's the thing about.

00:47:54.960 It's hard, right?

00:47:56.200 Well, this is my business does this, right?

00:47:58.380 Life is hard.

00:47:59.220 Yeah.

00:47:59.780 Everybody's struggling.

00:48:00.780 So I think you either want to watch something that makes you forget it and makes you laugh

00:48:06.720 and it's light, or you want something that is dark where you can put your anxiety into

00:48:11.140 that thing.

00:48:11.800 I did that with OJ.

00:48:12.900 I mean, that was next level.

00:48:14.120 It was fantastic.

00:48:14.840 That was, come on.

00:48:15.960 Yeah.

00:48:16.220 That was a good one.

00:48:17.100 What?

00:48:17.680 Not good.

00:48:18.540 It was great.

00:48:19.180 I loved doing it.

00:48:19.800 It wasn't good.

00:48:21.180 That was off the charts good.

00:48:22.580 But again, that was like, that had been kicking around.

00:48:25.460 Nobody wanted to make that.

00:48:27.660 It's funny about, you think now, like, well, yeah, home run.

00:48:33.340 But it's always interesting to me about what, because it, you know, when we were making it,

00:48:40.500 so many people said, why are you making this to me?

00:48:43.660 Wow.

00:48:43.880 And I was like, I don't know why I like this story, you know?

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