00:05:18.480And she goes, why is the White House writing you?
00:05:21.840And then I opened it up, and I said, oh, it's from the president.
00:05:23.860And she said, you are out of your damn mind, because she did not like Ronald Reagan.
00:05:28.420And then quickly I became, I came to realize like, you know, what he was, you know, around the AIDS crisis and, you know, all the hysteria and hypocrisy around that.
00:05:38.260I just, that's when I, you know, fell out of favor with Ronald Reagan and with the Republican Party.
00:05:45.200Were your parents politically active in any way, shape or form?
00:05:48.780Did they get you agitated early on in terms of just what's going on in the world?
00:05:54.620Well, my dad, interestingly enough, my dad retired, I think around 1980 or so, around that same time he retired. He worked at Exxon for 30 some years as my stepdad. And he became one of those people who started listening to radio all day. And it was Rush Limbaugh back in the 80s.
00:06:16.400Right. He would hear Rush Limbaugh. And my mom would come home from work and said, have you been sitting in your workshop all day working on stuff and listening to Rush Limbaugh?
00:06:24.280So my dad would, you know, talk about all this conservative stuff. And then my mom was always liberal.
00:06:33.720And but so we didn't really talk about it that much. But my real dad, who was an attorney, was involved in a civil rights action in Baton Rouge.
00:06:44.600he changed the way public transportation laws worked and where black people could sit on buses
00:06:52.060and public transportation. So my dad, who was an attorney, my real father, who died when my mom
00:06:57.940remarried, remarried my stepdad, but he was more of an activist than anybody else. But I didn't get
00:07:04.280to know him. I was seven when he died. Yeah, just seven. God bless. And your foreign
00:07:11.860into journalism? Was it, you know, was it as a student? I mean, how young did you really start
00:07:16.600looking through the prism of trying to tell stories and, and, and, and to communicate them
00:07:22.300or, you know, what was that evolution like? Well, I was a journalist before I even knew
00:07:27.100what the word was. And according to my mother, I would, when I was a kid, you know, just old
00:07:36.620enough to walk and talk, she said, I would go over to people, you know, if we were on vacation
00:07:41.520or if we were in a restaurant and I would just wander over to someone's table or just go talk
00:07:45.940to people and say, where are you from? What are you doing? And my mom would say, come back. And
00:07:49.820my dad would say to my mom, according to my mother, don't teach that boy to be afraid of people.
00:07:55.020Just let him do his thing. And if, you know, if he goes too far or if they don't want him over
00:07:59.900there or whatever, then we'll take care of it, but just let him go and do his thing. And so I was,
00:08:03.940I've always been curious. I've always asked questions since I can remember. I've always
00:08:08.480wanted to know, but it wasn't until around high school, maybe early in college, there was
00:08:15.680a woman in, on my local news station, her name was Jean West. And she was this black woman and
00:08:22.660she was, you know, articulate, I hate that word, but she, you know, spoke the King's English.
00:08:30.680She dressed to the nines and, you know, nothing against good times or J.J. Walker or any of
00:08:38.920those things, because those people were doing what they had to do in order to survive.
00:08:42.340But those were the only role models we had on television pretty much in the 70s was like,
00:08:56.940And ever since then, you know, I started pursuing it.
00:08:59.800So you were how old at the time when you really I mean I mean was it that indelible that you said that's what I want to do or ultimately you sort of look back and realize there was sort of subtext that it influenced you or did you really just sort of have that magical moment where you just one night were watching her and said boy boom that's that's me.
00:09:19.880I think it, I think it was a combination of both, but it didn't really solidify or cement until I had a friend who was a local weatherman. And this was, so this was probably my freshman or sophomore year at LSU. And he was a local weatherman. He's this handsome dude. And he was in the closet then. Now he's not, you know, anymore.
00:09:42.120And I was like, oh, I want to be on TV.
00:11:22.080I packed up my 87 Jeep Wrangler, moved to New York City, and then took a job as holiday relief, Christmas and New Year's help at Macy's, Herald Square.
00:11:34.880and then eventually got a job at the local Fox station in New York City, WNYW, 205 East 67th
00:11:43.380Street on the Upper East Side. And I became a news trainee, which was $5 an hour below the poverty
00:11:52.200level for six months. And then I was like, I got to make this work. And I worked my butt off to
00:11:59.140impress everyone. And then I got a job as a production assistant and then a desk assistant
00:12:04.260satellite feed coordinator writer field producer and then i became the assignment editor and then
00:12:09.700i started sending my tape out and got a job and left and what was that first job you got after
00:12:16.740you sent those tapes out the first on-air job because i worked in that newsroom for five years
00:12:21.480i worked in that newsroom it was like graduate school for journalism um at channel five and this
00:12:26.640was gavin this was pre fox news this was a fox ono which is an owned and operated station and it was
00:12:33.920one of the main ones. And there was this thing called the Fox News Exchange, which was all of
00:12:40.420the owned and operated stations would put their things on a feed and they'd send it out for the
00:12:44.520rest of the country. So it was like their little mini network. This was before Fox News. And then
00:12:48.340the Fox News Exchange eventually became Fox News, which was with Shepard Smith and all those guys.
00:12:54.280And I, you know, they were all on the Fox News Exchange. And then the people who were there
00:12:57.320became anchors and talent on Fox News. But so I worked there for five years, just behind the
00:13:02.840scenes doing everything I could. I learned every job in the newsroom. And then finally, uh, I sent
00:13:09.080my tape out and my news director helped me to get an agent. Um, and my first job was in Birmingham,
00:13:16.480Alabama at the Fox station in Birmingham, Alabama. And, um, I never looked back as a weekend anchor
00:13:23.560and then a reporter during the week and then fill in anchor during the week. And then that was,
00:13:27.700yeah i never looked back i love it was your mom was this the parents were cheering you on or they
00:13:33.980scared us to hell at five bucks an hour five years of your life and what the hell is he doing and
00:13:39.920why does he come back home law school damn it yeah yeah there was some of that but then you
00:13:46.800know my mom would say that and then my dad would say let him do what he wants and um and then my
00:13:52.420mom would secretly send me money because i couldn't pay rent i mean i had a you know after
00:13:57.440after the the news trainee job which was you know solid pay for a certain amount of time
00:14:03.240for a limited amount of time I had to as a production assistant I worked freelance I was
00:14:09.920per diem so there weren't always hours for me to work and so when there weren't any hours I'd have
00:14:16.120to go and back to the Macy's and say can you give me a couple of hours and then eventually I got a
00:14:21.540job um in a signed company as kind of the office manager and um and then finally you know wnyw said
00:14:32.280we're going to hire you as a permanent um employee and then i could quit that but that was that was
00:14:38.100back in the day do you remember marie povich and a current affair and all those things yeah i was
00:14:42.700shot in that building and i was just bill o'reilly doing that you bill remember o'reilly was doing
00:14:47.680that kind of stuff before he was on the o'reilly factor i think o'reilly was hard copy yeah the
00:14:53.980version of that yeah crazy what so was that what were you trying we did you want to be the guy
00:15:00.840reading the script or you were a journalist you were doing investigative reports too right
00:15:05.000i mean you you kind of you got into every aspect of journalism no i wanted to be look my my my
00:15:12.280mentors, the people I loved were Max Robinson and, um, and Brian Gumbel, um, and, and Peter
00:15:19.220Jennings. And it's interesting, you know, fast forward, you know, Brian and I have become great
00:15:25.120friends. And so the people that I grew up admiring on television have become people I know in my,
00:15:31.220that are in my real life. And it's just kind of weird to be in that position. I'm very grateful
00:15:35.220that I, that I'm in that position, but I always wanted to be the guy out reporting the news.
00:15:42.280I didn't necessarily have to be the anchor.
00:15:44.240If I was going to anchor, I said I would like to do field anchoring because back in the day, I don't know if you remember, Peter Jennings was always out like in some war zone or whatever.
00:15:53.620And then sometimes they returned to the studio or whatever.
00:17:58.720chicago was great but i just didn't want to be in local news anymore and so um i um faxed my
00:18:06.660resignation in the middle of the night fax machines and um and then moved on to cnn
00:18:13.100do you remember your first do you remember the story for you even before cnn perhaps
00:18:18.620where you just knew that you've got the kind of recognition or even recognized in yourself
00:18:24.160that i could be great at this do you remember the story i mean you mentioned obviously the
00:18:28.580bridge as an example. And that moment where it was that you may have been discovered, but when
00:18:34.200did you discover yourself in this role? Was there something that broke in your mind where you're
00:18:38.920like, man, I'm going to be good at this built confidence story. That's more indelible than
00:18:44.240that journalistic journey. I don't know if there was one story governor, but I just remember
00:18:51.300when I gained my confidence. And that confidence didn't come through someone putting me in a
00:19:02.680position to be able to do something. It came through hard work. And so when I was in Philadelphia
00:19:08.300at the NBC station, I'm skipping over a lot of my career because when I worked at the Fox station
00:19:12.780in Birmingham, and then I eventually went to St. Louis, and then NBC discovered me and pulled me
00:19:17.620away and said, we're going to send you to Philadelphia for a year and let you train
00:19:21.400there. And then we're going to bring you the network. And I'm like, bullshit, you're not
00:19:23.840going to do that. And then surely after three years, they called me up and said, we want you
00:19:27.620to come to the network. But when I was working in Philadelphia, we would have a breaking news.
00:19:33.820Like, so, so the assignment desk would assign you a story at night. And I was always a nighttime
00:19:38.400reporter. It was always the like primetime reporter. And so the assignment desk would
00:19:42.380assign stories and then they would leave one reporter to do just breaking and so i that meant
00:19:48.740you went and got in a satellite truck for those vans and you would just drive around the city
00:19:54.540and look for breaking news and so on the assignment desk would say uh all right look there's a fire
00:20:01.160at 57th and wherever and tenley go check it out or um police are chasing some guy at such and such
00:20:07.980go check it out. Or one night, Dikembe Mutombo's truck SUV was stolen and police are looking for
00:20:14.800it. Guess who found it? On a street in South Philadelphia. Yours truly. Riding around in a
00:20:23.260NBC5 microwave van. It wasn't a satellite truck, sorry. It was a microwave van, microwave truck.
00:20:31.740And so I just remember because I would be thrown into those situations, and it wasn't years before I'd be frightened if they said, oh my gosh, you got to go out and do this story. It's breaking. My heart would be racing. And finally, I got to a point where it was just like sitting in my living room.
00:20:51.420And so I remember showing up at scenes 30 seconds or a couple of minutes before the show would start.
00:20:59.000And then we didn't have the satellite and the microwave or whatever the signal set until like 30 seconds before the newscast.
00:21:07.740And they would say, Don, are you set? This is my hairbrush, right?
00:21:11.440They'd say, Don, are you set? And I would say, I guess so. I don't know what I'm going to talk about.
00:21:16.180And then they'd say, I'll be going to go to the break on the scene. Don Lemon now.
00:21:19.220and I'd say, that's right, Renee and Larry, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I would talk
00:21:22.960and they would go rap. And I was like, why'd you guys rap me so early? They'd say, you talked for
00:21:27.240three minutes. We wanted a two minute report. And so, and I realized like, okay, I can do this.
00:21:33.660So it wasn't, I don't know if it was one single story, but then I realized I had the confidence
00:21:37.320to do it. And once that confidence came, I very quickly went to the network. And then I just,
00:21:41.980again never really looked back and you were what at cnn that career from 06 that was 17 years
00:21:50.480at cnn almost 17 years from 06 to 23 close to 17 years yeah yeah what was that in that journey
00:21:58.440i mean what did you i mean sort of the fits and starts cable the competition in cable cnn being
00:22:04.120you know with that such you know i mean iconic cnn international audience msnbcs now starting
00:22:11.660here, obviously Fox begins to dominate. What was your, you know, those sort of fits and what was
00:22:16.880your experience, the tensions in the context of what was happening surrounding CNN and everyone
00:22:22.540trying to take CNN down, be more competitive? I mean, what was that journey like over those 17
00:22:27.880years? Were there any sort of trend lines that you would look back sort of that broad strokes
00:22:39.040Well, I feel like I kind of rode a wave of, you know,
00:22:46.060what is it, ebbs and flows or whatever.
00:22:48.620I felt like I kind of high tides and low tides at CNN.
00:22:51.500And when I came in, I think CNN was at a sort of a low tide period.
00:22:56.220And I was stationed in Atlanta and doing the afternoon CNN newsroom.
00:23:04.100with don lemon and kira phillips and i would do you know the afternoon news and then i went to i
00:23:09.380did and then i started doing weekend prime time but um you know it was cnn was then not it was
00:23:17.060sort of in dissent when i first started the ratings were very low um the shows were not very
00:23:25.020interesting people were sort of throwing things against the wall and a lot of it was not working
00:23:29.640And, you know, the primetime anchors and times kept changing. And the only constant was, I think, at that time. And he hadn't been, I don't think there, you know, for a very long time was Anderson. And that was about it. It was Anderson. And then, gosh, what was his name? Aaron Brown. I don't know if you remember Aaron Brown was there.
00:23:50.560And so there was this sort of tug of war about what CNN should be and what its identity should be. And, you know, I had this great respect for CNN and just the facts.
00:24:03.980and so i i sat there for a while you know in that atlanta newsroom doing the weekend news for a
00:24:12.120long time and then i i came to the conclusion that um this is not what i wanted my career to
00:24:17.960be i did not want to be the weekend anchor i didn't want to be in the weekend ghetto which
00:24:21.440is where they put seriously at one point all of the anchors of color were on the weekend
00:24:26.760and there were no um black anchors in prime time and um yeah in prime time and all every single
00:24:38.100anchor on the weekend was either black or maybe Asian and so I said this is not what I wanted to
00:24:43.960do and so they hired Jessica to become the head of CNN and I took a trip to New York to meet him
00:24:51.500and I said he said why did you want to meet with me and I said because um I really admire and
00:24:58.180respect you but I so I wanted to tell you in person that I don't want to work here anymore
00:25:02.480and he said why not I said because I don't want to waste away on the weekends and I am uh I can't
00:25:09.800live in Atlanta anymore it's just not for me and I said so you know thank you for the opportunity
00:25:15.060I hope that you do do well here and he said well you don't have to live in Atlanta and I said yeah
00:25:20.940I know that. And he goes, no, no, no. I mean, you don't have to live in Atlanta. You can still work
00:25:24.100for CNN. Sorry. I didn't know I would do this. Moved to New York. And I said, what? Because no
00:25:36.240one had ever spoken to me that way. And he said, you know, I really believe in you. And I've been
00:25:42.040watching your coverage. This was during Newtown. And he said, you were the best correspondent that
00:25:50.260we had an anchor in the field because you you station yourself right in front of the um
00:25:54.760the memorial and you're the best thing that we have and he said and during the whitney houston
00:26:01.220coverage you're the best reporter in the country and he said i really want you to stay here and i
00:26:05.960promise you you'll have opportunities and i moved and i became the 10 p.m anchor for eight years
00:26:15.260almost nine years so yeah sorry but when someone believes in you know it's someone believes in you
00:26:24.400like that it's just um it means a lot i love that i love that sorry how and you jeff jeff was there
00:26:33.860for how many years when did that when did that shift i think jeff started in 13 and he was there
00:27:08.780that was a big surprise right i mean you objectively didn't see that necessarily coming
00:27:12.960no i didn't see it coming um he he tried to give me um jeff and i became very close
00:27:22.620um and but i think he tried to give me a hint that something um was stirring and i didn't pick
00:27:30.740up on it i remember having a conversation with him about something i wanted some advice and i said
00:27:35.640I just need to know about this. And he said, well, there's something that has caused me some
00:27:43.420trouble lately. And I just wasn't paying attention to it. And then, you know, within a week or two,
00:27:49.380he resigned. And, you know, and, you know, the first call, I'm not sure if he called me,
00:27:55.760if I called him and I said, you know, nothing changes. I still love you. And he said, yes,
00:28:00.640same here. And that was that. And, um, they told me I was told not to say anything about it on the
00:28:08.600air. And so, you know, me, right. You told me not to do something. So, um, the person who has,
00:28:18.380look, when I said, I rode the ups and downs of CNN, by the time Jeff left CNN, we had had the
00:28:26.600highest ratings we'd ever had in the history of the network and the biggest profits that we'd had
00:28:31.780in the history of the network. And it was because it was through his leadership. And, um, so
00:28:38.540because he had, what he had done for me and what the, what he had created at that network where
00:28:45.060people are extremely, usually in television, people are extremely competitive. It's very
00:28:49.880political. And, you know, this person doesn't like that person and whatever. We all had our
00:28:54.460own thing like Don you do 10 to midnight Anderson you do 8 or 8 to 10 or whatever and we had our
00:29:01.020own thing and nobody I didn't you know I wasn't um jealous of Anderson I didn't want his spot he
00:29:06.320didn't want my spot or you know none of that but we all had our own lane and we all liked working
00:29:11.860with each other it's just a great working environment and I had been at Fox and NBC and
00:29:17.260I knew like this was something that was unusual and people did not if you had not been through
00:29:24.220a sort of traditional background where you went from station to station to station to, you know,
00:29:29.800work your way up, then you wouldn't know this. You would just think that it's like this all the
00:29:33.300time. And, um, and so when, um, when they said, don't say anything, I didn't, I didn't write it
00:29:39.640in the teleprompter, but you know, before the show, 10 seconds before the show, I hit click
00:29:44.620enter and I put it in the teleprompter and it was my goodbye to Jeff. And I said that we lost
00:29:50.200the heart of this network and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I said, now we'll do what
00:29:56.240Jeff wants us to do. And that is go on and tell the news without fear or favor, however I worded
00:30:01.240it. And then I went on to do the news. And, um, because I just, I'm a very loyal person. And I
00:30:06.540think that, um, especially if someone dedicates their life and, um, to a company that they deserve
00:30:14.180to get credit for it because nobody is perfect. And, um, Jeff had looked out for so many people
00:30:19.820And to have no one stand up for him or say anything about him, just have him disappear, I just think it was untoward, unprofessional, inhumane, and just lacking of any heart or any integrity.
00:30:38.100And then a year or so later, the same thing happened to me.
00:30:42.260They just said, okay, goodbye, and I didn't even get to say goodbye.
00:30:45.100I never got to say goodbye to my audience or anything, even my coworkers.
00:30:49.820Do you think, I mean, was it, do you think that night and the reason you're highlighting it besides the loyalty is that was the seed that, you know, ultimately was planted in terms of just the distrust, perhaps the new leadership had ultimately in you or did, or did you, or did they, that they were already in that mindset of transition beyond just Jeff looking at the talent, even you earlier?
00:31:14.540yeah i think that they i don't think they wanted me there from the beginning and as a matter of
00:31:20.940fact you know i think for a while they were okay uh they were going to try to figure out what to do
00:31:27.980with me but i i know for a fact that they did not want me and there were other people at the
00:31:35.620network that they weren't happy with and so i did know that um but i think it was harder to get rid
00:31:43.620of me than anyone else because um how do you get rid of the gay black guy without getting all kinds
00:31:51.200of you know criticism so what you have to do then is destroy someone's reputation and i think that
00:32:01.320and not that i think i know that's what they did because reporters would call me and saying we're
00:32:05.100getting all these news stories negative news stories about you that we have never heard um
00:32:10.460about you and all the years that you've been at cnn and the calls are coming from inside the house
00:32:15.100and so these people were you know leaking stuff to reporters false information and the reporters
00:32:21.960would call me up and say hey don heads up i'm not going to tell you who it is but because that would
00:32:28.100you know wouldn't be it would go against journalistic integrity or or just being a good
00:32:32.760journalist but um you better watch your back because the calls are coming from inside the
00:32:37.680house. And I would say, thank you very much for that. And they, you know, again, I can't tell you
00:32:42.820who, but yeah. And then, and then later after I left, I found out that it was true, like 100%
00:32:49.980true from the source, one of the sources who was inside the house. And so they were just looking
00:32:56.760for that moment, whatever it might be. And obviously the Nikki Haley comment became that
00:33:02.220moment or do you feel it was that or i mean obviously they wanted you to move on but did you
00:33:07.800were you i mean that you when you made that comment which you know you didn't even think
00:33:13.320twice about it right did you no no i when i made the comment i didn't think twice about it because
00:33:18.480i said if you actually go back and look at the video and read the transcript i said i'm not saying
00:33:23.840i believe that yeah and so what i was trying to say in that moment i could have been clearer about
00:33:28.280it but you know it's on tv and everything was you know you're going and they're like oh you got to
00:33:31.680get to the break or whatever. But what I was saying is that is how society treats women,
00:33:36.100but that's not what I believe. And so they took that and used it as a pretext. And I told,
00:33:43.200I explained to them what I meant. And they wanted to write an apology. I said, why am I apologizing
00:33:49.600for something that I didn't really say? And then, but hey, it is what it is. And it was a blessing
00:33:58.500in disguise i believe but um what i what the the most disheartening thing about it was that i knew
00:34:04.360nikki haley and we had a pretty good relationship and she immediately fundraised off of it rather
00:34:09.200than saying don what did you say what did you mean and so she used it for political expediency
00:34:14.380which was to me it was like wow does she have any integrity at all because if nikki haley or
00:34:20.480someone that i knew even just sort of tangentially had said something about me i would call them up
00:34:25.600and say what do you mean by that um and but she never did that yeah well i mean i don't want to
00:34:34.900fast forward i'm just thinking about the fundraising we see with donald trump off the
00:34:38.320death of an american soldier in this iranian war and the lengths to which dare i say politicians
00:34:44.200will go to exploit those things don when you when also i mean look at the look at how the
00:34:50.100over the death of charlie kirk there were a lot of people who grifted off of his death i do i
00:34:54.380believe in the republican party a lot of people made money fundraising off of his death yeah sorry
00:34:59.100to interrupt no hardly in in i want to get to all that but i want to go back to this you know i love
00:35:04.220this you know notion of confidence and you know and shaping on your journey and how every sort of
00:35:10.020level and every sort of relationship to newsrooms journalism local uh state national on the field
00:35:16.880um in um you know running your own shows different different moments in different times and networks
00:35:22.400But so you're all of a sudden now, man, you're out after all these years, sort of midstream your career, sort of peaked on lemon.
00:35:29.540Everybody knows you. You've branded yourself in pretty remarkable and iconic ways.
00:35:34.320And now you're out in those moments, you know, not having a chance, as you say, to even talk to your audience and, you know, say goodbye.
00:35:42.240I mean, so how just on a personal level? I mean, was that I mean, how shattering was that to your confidence?
00:35:47.700forget your brand forget your professional life but just to you as a person you're like
00:35:52.160was there a lot of introspection was there you know what any you know were you moments of real
00:35:56.980doubt and did you feel you weren't declined personally in terms of just you know feeling
00:36:01.300depressed anxious what i mean or you know what tell us a little bit about that journey
00:36:05.080the immediate aftermath aftermath god that's so much that's a lot how much time do you have
00:36:10.900um uh i um look i i know that nothing lasts forever i mean you know you think you have
00:36:21.000term limits we have term limits and when we when we hold jobs is i never thought that the cnn job
00:36:27.140would be forever but i thought that i would be treated with way more respect and and kindness
00:36:32.380um after dedicating so much of my life and career and you know there were years and years where i
00:36:39.820did not take vacations. I don't think I took a vacation for 10 years. And finally they said,
00:36:44.280Don, you got to take a vacation. Like you have to take a couple of days off. And so I just thought
00:36:49.100that I would, you know, I did not like my exit from CNN, but I got to be honest with you when
00:36:55.600my agent Jay Sewers called me and there was a little bit of relief. I got to be honest because
00:37:02.860I did not like the direction the network was going and it did not feel the same. And people
00:37:07.420were not happy working there and people were afraid to even say things and you know like i
00:37:12.520don't know we may be being bugged and it was just really weird it was a weird time to be there
00:37:16.320seriously and so um there was a little bit of a relief but then um but also you know i was i was
00:37:22.780like you know what the fuck like guys you know i've been a big part of this network and there
00:37:28.560are people there who i really love and who really love me and what about all the people who you
00:37:32.660know dedicated night after night watching me like I don't get to say goodbye and um you know and you
00:37:38.320don't trust me enough to go on air live and and be like you know and and what do you expect me to
00:37:43.860say like you expect me to tell the you're worried that I'm going to tell the truth about what you
00:37:47.780were doing is that then and how you want it you railroaded me is that what you wanted um is that
00:37:54.220what you were afraid of so look but afterwards um I never felt diminished because my mama raised me
00:38:01.580right? And I've never seen a righteous forsaken nor his seed begging bread. So I never thought
00:38:06.720that I was diminished. And every single day I was reminded of, and I am now, in the beginning,
00:38:15.080it was, we miss you on CNN. I can't believe that you're gone. Oh gosh, we miss you. And I still
00:38:21.140hear that now, but more so I hear, oh my God, I love what you're doing. I love what you're doing
00:38:25.820now. This is so great. I love you even more than when you were on CNN. So some things are a blessing
00:38:30.800in disguise and um so it was for a while it was um it felt weird not being at the matrix of every
00:38:42.140big story that happens in the world as I always was and so that part was a little disconcerting
00:38:50.080and then like what am I going to do with my day because I had so many responsibilities
00:38:53.660and then I said just said I'm going to take a year off and then in that year I'm going to decide what
00:39:00.160I want to do. And at the end of that year, if I, if there is no passion to do anything, then I'll
00:39:05.540take some more time off. But I had the luxury to do that because, you know, I got fired without
00:39:10.940cause. So they had to pay me and I had three and a half more years left on my contract. So I was
00:39:14.900like, I didn't, I want to sit here with my feet up for a long time. I can do it. Um, so yeah,
00:39:25.560But more than anything, it was insulting the way that they that that my exit was insulting.
00:39:34.860And many of the people I respected who were in leadership positions at the network showed their true colors and their their lack of the backbone and any sort of morals.
00:39:45.560They were everybody's is pretty much a survivor.
00:39:47.920I just you know, I just got to keep my job.
00:39:52.220So that part, you know, was a little bit tough. And the other part is, too, that the only thing that there's one other thing that really gets to me, and that is people believing some of the things that they read about me that are not true, that I am a misogynist or anti-woman.
00:40:10.640And that really hurts, especially growing up in a family of all women being the only boy and having my mom and my grandmother and my sisters and, you know, all the women in my neighborhood raise me.
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00:46:58.100as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges.
00:47:01.540This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona.
00:47:05.340listen to love trapped podcast on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get
00:47:11.340your podcasts that journey though you took a call from twitter took a call from us took a call first
00:47:20.660let's let's not forget a little bit of elon musk don lemon come on what was that so you you landed
00:47:27.880on you know the lemon drop we'll get to all this you know don lemon show your network and
00:47:32.480everything you're doing now and how you're crushing it, but you took a little bit of a detour
00:47:37.540hoping, you know, to, to build a network platform or at least platform on, on their network. Right.
00:47:44.400Did Elon Musk call you? You called him. I, well, it was, it was basically, it was basically the
00:47:51.700only thing that I could do because I was still contractually obligated to CNN, right. I had
00:47:56.080contractual obligations, so I couldn't take a job in cable unless I just wanted to lose all my money,
00:48:00.700but or get sued so i couldn't do that and um broadcast there were stipulations on any anything
00:48:07.460that i did there were stipulations on it and so i had to renegotiate my exit with cnn and i finally
00:48:14.120got them to agree to digital and and which was i smart at the time i didn't realize how smart it
00:48:20.580was because that's where everything was going so as all this was happening i started to realize
00:48:25.800like why why do i want to go back to traditional television because it's on the decline and um
00:48:31.720you know elon musk had put out there that he wanted to you know i should bring my show there
00:48:37.020like tucker did and um and then i got a call from um uh um ari emmanuel who said um wait which one
00:48:46.840i forget bar yeah ari ari yeah um rom is the brother in chicago and saying you know yeah you
00:48:53.960you should try this with, and Ari was not my agent. He was friends with Elon. And I said,
00:48:58.760okay, well, I'll take his phone call. You know, I'll take his phone call. And we talked for a
00:49:02.280little bit. And then I talked to him one or two times. And once it was a long conversation,
00:49:06.840they were in Paris, he and his mom, his mom was sitting at the table. And as we were talking,
00:49:10.960it was a nice conversation. And then, but I decided that I wanted to wait. I knew that Elon
00:49:16.880was kind of an erratic person. Like, you know, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way, but
00:49:21.140you know, right. And so I said, um, they were going to hire this woman from NBC. God, I can't
00:49:27.760remember her name now. And, um, who had to run, to run their new platform, to run their new platform.
00:49:33.980And I said, I'll wait till, you know, another adult comes on board and someone who's, you know,
00:49:38.640who knows how to deal with these things. And then, uh, the, the conversations picked back up and
00:49:43.220eventually she convinced me to do it under the, with the agreement that I would have complete
00:49:53.500editorial control and that I would have to, at some times, at some points, criticize even the
00:49:58.620owner of that platform. And she said, yes, that's great. We love it. That's what he wants. That's
00:50:03.100what we want. And then, you know, the first interview. That's not what he wanted. Or with
00:50:10.980elon musk for those that don't know you you sat down and you interviewed your boss elon musk and
00:50:16.780that was a hell of an interview i mean you came in you know what would you let me ask you would
00:50:22.460you what'd you make of the interview you thought no were you i mean clearly he wasn't prepared for
00:50:31.040your line of questioning um were you prepared for his response you knew what you were doing
00:50:36.460i mean you knew what you were doing of course you knew what you were doing
00:50:39.440um I was I prepared for his response um look I never know what someone's going to say I never
00:50:47.800assume but yes I'm prepared in the sense that I can just sit there and listen to it or um and or
00:50:55.200I can you know challenge or question or follow up on certain things because that's what journalists
00:51:01.940do. And so, but during the interview, I asked him about most of the things, 90 some percent of the
00:51:10.160time of that interview, I asked him about things that he had said publicly or things that he had
00:51:14.880done publicly. And so I didn't, you know, you should be able to answer that. And I didn't think
00:51:20.920that I, you know, attacked him in any way. That wasn't the intent at all. And I was, the intent
00:51:27.480was to, one is just to be a journalist, to ask him questions, and in a way to show people that
00:51:35.320two people who come from different backgrounds and who have different sort of political beliefs
00:51:41.000and ideologies, that we could actually sit and have a conversation and disagree with each other,
00:51:45.920and it would be good for the platform, which is exactly what he wanted, to sort of moderate the
00:51:49.980platform so that it wasn't so far right and it wasn't so extreme. And that was it. That was the
00:51:56.760only goal was to have a great conversation with him and say, Hey, see, this is what I'm trying
00:52:01.220to do here. I'm not going to change what, who I am or what I believe, because I'm going on a,
00:52:06.000you know, I'm doing business with Elon Musk and you see him as a sort of right-wing radical or
00:52:10.300whatever it is. I'm still going to be done, but I'm going to go on that platform and try to do
00:52:15.080what he said, what he wanted. And what I wanted is to try to moderate it a little bit. That was it,
00:52:20.860but didn't work out that way. Did it? Did you, did you feel the pressure? I mean,
00:52:26.080i imagine you got a lot of input people saying what the hell are you doing over there don you're
00:52:31.620don't sell out yeah so you i mean you must have then i mean i'm just curious did you i mean you
00:52:38.040must have then come in you came in that interview with a little bit of you know you're gonna have
00:52:42.040to overcompensate for that right you're gonna have to demonstrate that in that interview no
00:52:45.440i mean did you feel like you didn't feel that you just i don't feel that kind of pressure
00:52:49.560you never felt that no you can't no you can't feel that pressure when you if you're a journalist
00:52:53.940you can't feel that pressure because really the truth is i i know you can't but i don't i'm asking
00:52:59.260did not feel that pressure my north star is my north star number one facts and um and i live in
00:53:07.860reality and i in a way i wanted people to understand him and i wanted to understand him
00:53:13.660because i didn't you know i i don't i'm not a tech reporter i don't sit down and study elon musk
00:53:19.000So these were just honest questions about him and what he said. And I was like, and I thought it was, as I mentioned to you in this interview, you know, about mental health and all of that. And when he said that he took ketamine because it helped him, I was like, that's great.
00:53:35.920people should know about that. And perhaps it could help someone else. And I had been doing
00:53:40.520stories on drug therapy, which included, I mean, where it was where members of our military had
00:53:48.640had PSD and they started doing drug guided drug therapy and boom, it got rid of it faster than
00:53:53.840talk therapy and it changed their lives. So I thought that was important, but I guess he or
00:53:58.780some people thought that I was digging into things that were personal, but he's the one who talked
00:54:03.280about it. And so I was just trying to illuminate the situation and, you know, broaden it so that
00:54:08.300people could understand him more and perhaps he would make a difference. So no, I did not feel
00:54:12.900that pressure. I feel that, I don't think that, um, I had been around long enough to know that
00:54:19.320from one interview that you should not feel pressure to sort of make your bones in one
00:54:25.960interview. You make your bones over time with the body of your work and not necessarily one single
00:54:31.640thing so i wasn't really trying to prove a point there there was no there was no need for me to
00:54:36.020prove a point because i feel like after 17 years at cnn and however long i was at nbc um that i
00:54:41.980think people know that i'm a journalist and they know what my beliefs are and they certainly knew
00:54:47.120it after watching that interview which went talk about but that interview was prescient
00:54:51.940governor everything in that interview um that came out of that interview about the great
00:54:59.820replacement theory yeah um about donating money to candidates about um diversity equity and
00:55:08.120inclusion every single one of those things yeah became huge topics almost like eight months or a
00:55:17.920year after i did the interview so i was sort of like looking around the corner trying to show
00:55:22.840people what might happen and if that is not an indication of good journalism then i don't know
00:55:28.320what it is. Look at you. Well done. I like the spike is spiking that, but that's spiking the
00:55:33.580mic in that respect. Yeah. No, I mean, no argument for me. What, what in that context though, what,
00:55:39.200so what did you get the call 10 minutes later saying you're out of here, man? What, I mean,
00:55:44.140what happened after that? I got a call. Were there other interviews that we never saw that
00:55:49.880were canned? I mean, what happened? No, another call from Jay, my agent. Oh Jesus, poor Jay.
00:56:27.600he's canceled the, the contract. And I said, okay, I'm taxing. I'm going to have to call you
00:56:34.580back. And so as soon as we, you know, as soon as we could use the phone, my, my executive
00:56:39.480producer, Jonathan was sitting with me and we took the call and we were like, okay, I don't know
00:56:45.620why it was, it was an interview, but it was tough. We've had tougher interviews. You know,
00:56:51.320I've interviewed politicians. And as you know, you guys don't always like the questions that
00:56:56.720we ask and it can be very contentious that's why i like this don that's why i like on this side
00:57:01.860this is more like it keep going yes yes and so um uh i we didn't think that there was anything
00:57:10.500that unusual and so uh but he did and so that was that and then we've dealt with it you know ever
00:57:15.860since i mean we've dealt with it and as you know i'm still in active litigation with him of course
00:57:19.740so i can't say much talk more but um i think you know except all of this is public knowledge
00:57:24.400Everyone knows we've already talked about this, everything that I've shared with you.
00:57:28.060But you know that back and forth is something that adults, I believe, understand.
00:57:34.660I mean, I'm going to share a little bit.
00:57:38.180I have those conversations with you over text, like, man, you interviewed this person and
00:57:43.400you should have pushed him more on this and more on that and this.
00:57:50.180And then you can go, well, that's not, I was trying to do something else, whatever.
00:57:53.880And it's like, OK, all right, great. But we're still friendly. We're still friends. It doesn't you know, we don't have to fight or hate each other because we disagree with something the other person has done. I don't agree. I love my my mom and my husband the most in the world. And I don't agree with them 100 percent of the time, especially being in a marriage. Do you know, there are very few times that we agree on shit.
00:58:15.960So, well, I, I, look you, so that was, so, but that's the journey you talked about, you know,
00:58:26.240just, you know, the, the worst of times, the best of times, things reveal themselves,
00:58:30.760opportunities present themselves. And so you then went from that to this, or did you try
00:58:38.100something in between the, in terms of, no, I went from that network. You went right to this.
00:58:43.480So I went from, yeah, this was, well, this was part, that was part of this.
00:58:47.580That was supposed to be the start of this.
00:58:49.460That was going to be the, you know, my sort of seed money or first client was this, this,
00:58:54.940you know, and that, that was the agreement that we had.
00:58:57.800And so I was like, well, just because that happened, it doesn't mean that I'm going to
00:59:04.120And so, um, I just leaned into it and I did what were I, I did what I did best.
00:59:10.400And that was to be a journalist, to be an on-air person, to go out and talk to people or invite them in an environment or situation like this and to discuss and to have interesting conversations and to serve, you know, the public.
00:59:28.120And in many ways, I'm serving my constituents similarly to what you do.
00:59:33.600So, yeah, and I just said, I was just dogged about in my pursuit of doing this.
00:59:39.440And so that's where the Don Lemon show has taken me to, to right where we are now.
00:59:45.560How many years now is the Don Lemon show?
00:59:47.860I mean, this current format, I mean, you keep iterating, you know, the hot takes and
00:59:52.880Lemon Drops and, you know, you're doing the five o'clock every day hit.
00:59:57.920You're doing, I mean, this, in the current format, how long have you been?
01:04:58.620because they're in a tough position um when i saw it i laughed when i saw that they were gonna
01:05:06.000buy it and i laughed but i didn't mean it to like i'm laughing at them i laughed because
01:05:11.780i was thinking what a blessing in disguise this was for me and then at the same time i felt like
01:05:18.020man the best journalists in the world aren't going to be able to be their best because
01:05:23.060someone is going to try to influence a news network politically with ideology and that should
01:05:31.720never happen to cnn and so um i i know that uh there's a lot of freaking out going on at cnn
01:05:41.520right now people not knowing what's going to happen um i do know as well i mean we're not
01:05:47.360neither of us is stupid and nobody watching this is stupid there are going to be layoffs
01:05:51.180A lot of journalists are going to lose their jobs. They're going to end up having to do, you know, something very similar to what I'm doing. And they are in for a very rude awakening about just how easy or how hard this is to make happen.
01:06:05.960um but mostly i just felt bad for for journalism and for freedom of the press after that happened
01:06:14.080um because the consolidation of media right now is troubling but the consolidation of conservative
01:06:23.660media is even more troubling than that if you look at you know the ellison's out control you
01:06:28.940know some of tiktok and the algorithm they have cbs they're soon going to have cnn um rupert
01:06:35.560Murdoch has Fox News. The folks at the other networks are a little bit neutered because
01:06:43.160they're afraid of Donald Trump. Donald Trump has sued ABC. He often talks crap about NBC,
01:06:52.800and he insults reporters and all those things. So I can't imagine, well, I can't imagine the
01:06:58.760consternation that's happening at CNN. And I'm lucky not to be a part of it, but I feel bad
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01:10:52.860As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.
01:10:57.300Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news out of Maricopa County
01:11:00.140as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges.
01:11:03.560This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona.
01:11:08.840Listen to the Love Trapped podcast on the iHeartRadio app,
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01:11:15.320But when you, did you anticipate, I mean, a scenario, honestly, you know, you're looking back in your career, did it ever even enter your mind, the prospects that you'd be arrested for doing your job?
01:11:31.280Honestly, I mean, like, no, I mean, passing, you just were like, you know, there's a scenario, you know, you made a joke, you know, a late night dinner or something, you know, did you ever really believe that possible?
01:11:41.920no i didn't think it would be possible i thought the only time that anything like that was possible
01:11:47.420as if you are um which is a very similar scenario to what happened but you know if you're at a
01:11:52.780protest right and and the powers that be your authorities or police or whatever it is are
01:11:58.700trying to push people back and you get caught up in a scrum or something you know i thought it's
01:12:03.920possible that could happen i've seen my colleagues um get um arrested on television it almost
01:12:10.340happened to me in ferguson uh if it had not been for um another officer i was on with wolf blitzer
01:12:18.240and they were moving us back and i was trying to move and the cop was going to push me and he tried
01:12:22.960to grab me um and i i forget the it's been a while ago 2014 or so and um and so i you know i thought
01:12:33.260that that sort of thing that possibly it could happen but then i had a giant network behind me
01:12:37.260it would just be like, okay, we'll, we'll take care of this. Um, you'll be out by the time your
01:12:41.960show, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But this is a whole different sort of thing that's happened now.
01:12:46.580And so the answer to your question is in, um, an emphatic, no, never, never. When you saw what
01:12:54.360happened, the Washington post, the FBI going in, I mean, was that, what, what, what was your first
01:13:00.800reaction to that? That the attack on institutions that we need in this country in order for this
01:13:11.520democracy to work, in order for this republic to work, that those institutions, the attacks on
01:13:16.300them are starting to diminish those institutions. I thought that the very people who love to tout
01:13:27.940the constitution all the time didn't doesn't believe in the constitution nor the bill of
01:13:32.880rights nor the the first amendment the free speech absolutists somehow don't believe in
01:13:40.060free speech absolutism and especially as it relates to the press it's only if people are
01:13:46.000saying favorable things about you i mean look at what pete hexeth said about you know uh this is
01:13:51.840how the headlines should be written and i can't wait for david ellison to take over cnn which was
01:13:56.080yep than any other time that would have been outrage a non-stop story headlines right
01:14:05.880correct and then for donald trump to tweet out look at how i changed the media and all the people
01:14:10.840he got fired and he sued and all it's like it's crazy times and then arresting reporters
01:14:16.620i'm just saying wait give me your question again what was that did i answer your question
01:14:23.440yeah no i mean in in just you know the seed that was planted as it relates to the fbi raid at the
01:14:29.060washington post but this notion yes with miss nathan nathanson the reporter i mean look she's
01:14:36.000still fighting for her phone i still don't have a phone at this point but she's i don't have my phone
01:14:41.000yeah they took my phone they still have it i mean that's that's public knowledge and uh that came
01:14:46.080out in the in the court proceedings the first one my first court appearance um and um they took her
01:14:52.820phone as well and her attorneys are fighting for that but you know there's there's reporters have
01:14:58.840privilege you know for it's like an attorney and so um you have to be very careful about those
01:15:05.640things and we cannot lose those things otherwise we are going to lose the we're going to lose the
01:15:12.060the first amendment we're going to lose the freedom of the press because part of that is
01:15:15.880having sources and being able to be trusted by those sources that you're not going to give any
01:15:23.900information away that they give you. Reporters go to jail over they have over refusing to give up a
01:15:30.720source. And then usually it ends up working out for them saying they don't have to and they get
01:15:35.680out but still um so we cannot lose uh those norms and those traditions because otherwise we're no
01:15:45.940better than a country that we're at war with right now and we are saying you know that iran shoots
01:15:53.540protesters well so do we and you know we're over there because iran um you know uh jails reporters
01:16:31.400I think they thought that they I was gonna make a joke sorry that I was a fashion crime that they
01:16:40.100sent the fashion police it was a Grammys I'm joking it's a red carpet joke why do you think
01:16:44.200I think they targeted me um I can't you'll have to ask them that but my my opinion is that they
01:16:51.420targeted me because they have been after me for a long time I mean Donald Trump has been
01:16:56.400tweeting about me and talking about me for quite some time. And I, you know, from one day to the
01:17:04.800other, I would rather not think about Donald Trump. And when I was at CNN, I asked him,
01:17:09.380do I have to cover Donald Trump every night? Because I'm tired of talking about him. I'm not
01:17:13.400interested in anything that he says or does because none of it makes sense. So I think it's
01:17:19.760Because, number one, you know, I worked for CNN and I was very outspoken about how I felt about him and the administration and what this MAGA movement meant and what they were doing and how they were trampling on our Constitution.
01:23:54.460So having said what you said and having heard Donald Trump talk about nationalizing the elections and having Republicans take over the election,
01:24:04.880are you confident that we'll have a free and fair election in 2026 for the midterms
01:24:11.300um that's an open-ended question one thing i'm absolutely confident of we won't
01:24:17.200will not have a fair free election in 2028 unless we take back the house of representatives
01:24:22.140in 2026 um this guy's not screwing around look you saw what happened in la he sent out bortac
01:24:28.540teams the day of the election in Los Angeles on election day on Prop 50 in order to chill
01:24:35.200free expression. Sent out a tweet that morning on True Social saying the election was rigged.
01:24:40.220Sent out his Department of Justice monitors and then ultimately try to litigate and get to the
01:24:44.800Supreme Court to say the election was fraudulently decided. He's not screwing around. You saw what
01:24:50.060happened in Fulton County and how he's taking over that board in Fulton County. That's still
01:24:54.560active and it's happening. He talked about the nationalization of the election. Then he said,
01:24:58.860no, just 15 blue states. Save Act, it's next level what the Save Act is all about. That's about
01:25:05.580deciding who can vote. It's not about voter IDs trying to purge the voting rolls. We are in
01:25:11.720litigation on that here. He's been doing that in other states. This guy is not screwing around.
01:25:16.900So our state of mind has to be, I think, very mindful that we are hardly out of the woods,
01:25:23.400Even if we're, you know, successful in neutralizing the election rigging that he tried to do with the midterm redistricting, we are getting these fights are happening.
01:25:35.220These battles, these fronts are continuing to expand all across the United States.
01:25:40.080And the media cannot be complicit in that respect.
01:25:43.860Corporate leaders can't be complicit in that respect.
01:25:46.820Lawyers can't be complicit in law firms anymore.
01:25:49.180our universities need to call it back to these damn, forgive me, you're triggering me, but to
01:25:54.200why I have these knee pads and, and, and we can't be compulsive. What the hell happened to you?
01:25:58.120You got arrested, Don. This is madness, man. That's insane. That happened in the United States,
01:26:03.800America. They detained you FBI in the morning, handcuffed you. It's sick. This is a cancer.
01:26:10.500And we got to call it out. So anyway, I, yeah, I worry about it. And that's why we're fighting.
01:26:14.500We're litigation. We're winning more than we're losing in court. But it's about the court of public opinion. It's about waking people up. It's about people continuing to show up for each other and for this country and for you and others that, you know, are these targets.
01:26:29.480And yeah, I'll end on this. You know, you mentioned five or six people. I couldn't believe the phone call I got from my friend, governor of Minnesota. And, you know, Walz calls and he says, look, pal, he goes, need a little bit of help. I said, whatever you need, I'm happy to be there on this.
01:26:45.360I don't know. I need some help me with my litigation fund because he's trying to criminally prosecute me and I have to raise personal money.
01:26:55.360The hell is that? Don't I know. It's happening. You intimately know.
01:27:01.240Yeah, I know. I mean, look, fighting, getting a good lawyer costs money.
01:27:06.440Fighting the Department of Justice costs a lot of money because the government never runs out of money.
01:27:12.000Nope. Right. They don't have to worry about that.
01:27:14.100the billable hours and here's the sad thing the billable hours from whatever law firm whatever
01:27:19.660guess who's paying for that the taxpayers yeah we are i'm paying for my own prosecution so you know
01:27:27.400it's it's a bizarre place to be in and so you're right about that i just thank you for answering
01:27:32.520that question because i'm not so sure i saw um you know the honorable nancy pelosi and she
01:27:37.680she said that she's confident i spoke with hakeem jeffries and you know this was before all the talk
01:27:43.240about the, well, actually Nancy Pelosi was, but this is, and after was Hakeem Jeffries. And he
01:27:51.440said he was confident, but I just, I think that they will try anything, anything, anything. I
01:27:57.120would not put anything past this administration and that's why I'm nervous about it. You better
01:28:01.440be nervous and you should be nervous. And I'm nervous about it as well, but it's like, I mean,
01:28:05.580you were quoting a lot of scripture earlier in this conversation. I'll say my piece, it's faith
01:28:11.160and works. As we pray, we got to move our feet, right? So I'm not, it's not, we ain't holding
01:28:15.720hands having a candlelight vigil. We got to get out there and we got to expose all this. We got
01:28:20.600to make people conscious that it's not one thing. It's all of these things stacked together. And
01:28:27.540again, no shame. It's the rule of Don, not the rule of law. And we have no co-equal branch of
01:28:34.160government. These guys are supine, they're complicit. And so, yeah, you're right. All those
01:28:39.280things stacked against us and ai and mis and disinformation all these relationships with
01:28:43.980overseas uh you know with with antagonistic governments that can also be you know i just
01:28:49.960don't trust any of these guys and and the great grip the great corruption story and you know how
01:28:55.460everybody's sort of you know i anyway we can unpack all that that's a whole nother damn podcast when
01:29:01.200you come on my show you gotta tell your team tell your team that you should come on i think they're
01:29:06.780afraid of me i'm like come on well after that elon musk interview jesus no no one's ever coming
01:29:12.440oh my gosh again i'm not i don't do i'm not gonna do i'm joking jesus just don't be sensitive about
01:29:19.780that uh i'm looking forward to coming on your show and uh all right and uh and by the way i
01:29:26.120appreciate you coming on the this is gavin newsom show so i appreciate you and uh and i appreciate
01:29:32.980everything you're doing and the your good fight and i'm sorry you have to deal with this stuff
01:29:37.860on such a personal professional level uh with this administration that ain't right thank you
01:29:43.840thank you uh president i mean governor i appreciate it that's what the good the president
01:29:49.380himself called me president yesterday the hell is that no i'm just saying i'm just i'm not going to
01:29:57.300ask you the question i'll wait till you're on my show to ask you all those other questions but i
01:30:00.680appreciate you having me on thank you and say hello to the first lady please i appreciate that
01:30:05.780take care thanks thank you man thank you
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