This is Gavin Newsom - And, This is Trump's Invasion With JB Pritzker & Tina Kotek

00:00:00.000 This is not what Americans want to see.

00:00:02.500 The only invasion or mayhem that's occurring is happening because the Trump administration is visiting it upon our city.

00:00:10.100 This is not who we are as Americans. We have checks and balances. We have the courts.

00:00:13.880 In June of this year, in the second largest city in the United States of America,

00:00:18.820 the president of the United States called up 700 active duty Marines.

00:00:23.260 He didn't send them overseas. He sent them to an American city. 0.70

00:00:27.160 It was just days after he had federalized some 4000 National Guard, unprecedented act done not at the behest of the state's governor, myself,

00:00:41.380 but against my advice, my counsel, certainly against my consent.

00:00:47.660 We said at the time this was a preview of things to come.

00:00:50.700 A few months later, we saw what happened in another major American city in Washington, D.C., with the militarization of their streets.

00:01:00.080 And of course, since then, we've seen similar actions by this president and Christine Noem and Homeland Security in other major American cities,

00:01:09.760 not least of which just in the last few days in Chicago, Illinois, Portland, Oregon.

00:01:16.120 And the anticipation is we're going to see additional actions by this president all across the United States of America.

00:01:23.900 This is unprecedented in modern American history.

00:01:26.980 This is, dare I say, a constitutional crisis.

00:01:30.220 But it's also a crisis that not only divides, but also brings people together.

00:01:35.200 And one of the things that I've enjoyed perhaps more than most aspects of my job is working collaborative and getting to know some of America's outstanding leaders,

00:01:47.660 leaders like J.B. Pritzker, leaders like Tina Kotek, both now on the front lines of this constitutional crisis,

00:01:55.720 on the front lines as it relates to the militarization of their city and their state's streets.

00:02:01.620 And it's such a treat, an opportunity to be able to connect not only with both of them in private, but now to connect with them in public.

00:02:11.480 I don't think we've had this kind of dialogue in this kind of forum before.

00:02:17.060 And I'm looking forward to the conversation.

00:02:19.400 And I hope you'll enjoy this conversation with both J.B. Pritzker and Tina Kotek on this unique podcast.

00:02:27.520 This is Gavin Newsom.

00:02:31.760 And this is J.B. Pritzker and Tina Kotek.

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00:05:31.500 I'm really pleased.

00:05:35.460 This is a great and rare opportunity to have two remarkable leaders in the thick of things right now.

00:05:41.880 Governor of the great state of Illinois and the great state of Oregon on the front lines of this growing constitutional crisis,

00:05:50.220 this sort of relentless and unprecedented overreach from the federal government.

00:05:56.300 What's happening on the streets of Chicago and Portland are obviously in the news and top of mind.

00:06:02.560 But I'm really pleased to have J.B. and Tina with me to be able to compare and contrast

00:06:07.740 and to talk about the world we're living in and what defines this moment.

00:06:12.140 But at this moment, Governor Pritzker, I'm told that you just have some news from a court that is adjudicated on the possibility of a temporary restraining order.

00:06:23.260 That's right.

00:06:23.580 Well, great to see you both.

00:06:24.720 And the TRO has been granted by Judge Perry here in Illinois, and she is reading her oral decision right now.

00:06:38.780 We're getting it literally blow by blow.

00:06:40.940 But she began by saying she's granting it in part.

00:06:44.200 And so we're waiting because, honestly, most of what she's read so far has been a complete victory on the TRO.

00:06:50.920 But there must be some piece of it that she's not granting.

00:06:53.800 So we're waiting to hear about that.

00:06:55.220 But she is basically questioning the credibility of DHS and ICE and CBP in all of what they have reported.

00:07:05.620 She has gotten a lot of reports from local and state law enforcement about what's going on, puts credibility in that.

00:07:14.620 And those are our folks here in Illinois.

00:07:16.980 So we're very pleased so far with the ruling.

00:07:19.840 But I promise you, before we're done, we'll probably have the end of her oral decision.

00:07:25.260 And I'll be able to give you whatever the in part piece is.

00:07:28.900 I appreciate it, Governor.

00:07:29.800 And it just goes to the nature of this moment and how fast-paced, hour-by-hour things are.

00:07:34.200 There's so many court proceedings that are underway, not least of which here in California and obviously in Oregon as well.

00:07:39.980 But before I get to Tina, just to be on that, paint the picture of what you went to court for what specific reason to push back against what specific action by the president?

00:07:52.400 Yeah. So what's going on on the ground here is that there are Texas National Guard that have been federalized.

00:08:00.240 They already have arrived.

00:08:02.260 Our Illinois National Guard also have been federalized.

00:08:05.220 They're in process of gathering.

00:08:07.160 And there's some training that the president has ordered.

00:08:11.640 We're a little bit unaware of what that training will be.

00:08:14.140 But we know where it will take place.

00:08:17.160 And then actually, Gavin, we have about 14 California National Guard that are on the ground here.

00:08:25.120 They were diverted after the decision in Oregon.

00:08:29.120 And we don't know whether we'll see more.

00:08:31.340 We just know right now they're 14.

00:08:34.060 So, you know, this is I mean, I've called it an invasion because when you look at the numbers that they're calling up,

00:08:41.420 500 National Guardsmen, these are not folks who are trained to do, you know, policing or any kind of, you know, crime fighting.

00:08:51.480 They're terrific, by the way, all of our National Guards.

00:08:55.300 You know, we send them abroad to defend our country and they do an amazing job at that.

00:09:00.300 But, you know, but the idea that they should act as, well, some sort of, you know, protection against crime or to protect the facilities here or the ICE officials on the ground. 0.77

00:09:15.340 Ridiculous.

00:09:16.100 So, I mean, they should be used for what they're trained to do, which is to fight wars or here in our state, of course, and in yours, too, you know, 0.78

00:09:24.300 emergencies that we need to call them up for, whether it was COVID or flooding or anything else.

00:09:28.700 So, we're very proud of our National Guard and I don't want anybody to get the idea otherwise.

00:09:34.920 We just want them to be used for what they signed up for.

00:09:38.460 It's such an important predicate for this conversation is the respect and admiration, the reverence we have for these men and women in uniform being used in unprecedented ways,

00:09:49.320 I think abused under the circumstances.

00:09:52.820 And I just want to paint the picture of those circumstances because you're right.

00:09:56.100 We had 14 of our National Guard men and women that were sent originally to Oregon against, again, our objections.

00:10:03.440 They'd already been federalized by the Trump administration, sent to do, quote, unquote, training up in Oregon.

00:10:10.740 And then a judge not dissimilarly issued a TRO in favor of Governor Kotech in your work.

00:10:22.260 And then we're sent, those 14, to Chicago.

00:10:26.660 But let's talk a little bit about what's happening in Portland right now, what's happening in Oregon,

00:10:30.660 and where are you on some of these court decisions, Governor?

00:10:34.040 Well, thank you, and thanks for having us, Gavin.

00:10:36.920 First of all, I want to thank both of you to know that I can pick up the phone and we can have a conversation.

00:10:42.800 You know, and JB, I'm sorry this is happening to the people of Illinois.

00:10:47.060 And when it was happening in California, we were feeling the same way about things in your home state, Gavin.

00:10:51.500 This is not how it should go, right?

00:10:53.720 In our case, you know, I wake up on a Saturday morning and the president is tweeting or on social media saying we should send full forces to Oregon.

00:11:04.220 And I'm like, what are you talking about, right?

00:11:06.480 We have an ICE facility, one block radius, and, you know, the city is doing well.

00:11:13.280 You know, we have our challenges, but, you know, people are living their lives here.

00:11:16.300 And I'm like, what is the reality check when the president believes he needs to go over the top of governors to pull in, you know, military intervention into the city?

00:11:25.480 He first wanted to call up the Oregon National Guard.

00:11:27.700 We went to court and got a temporary restraining order because, and I think you're seeing it in JB's case as well, the judges are looking at the facts on the ground.

00:11:37.420 They're talking to local law enforcement.

00:11:39.420 They're trying to understand, does the president have the ability to call this an insurrection and a rebellion?

00:11:45.520 He does not, right?

00:11:47.460 And so in our case, we go to court.

00:11:51.200 The judge says, by the way, a federal judge appointed by President Trump in his first term says, hey, facts on the ground don't match.

00:11:58.160 This is a no.

00:11:58.860 You can't do this.

00:12:00.020 So they start appealing to the Ninth Circuit Court, which is where we are now.

00:12:03.880 And then they start trying to move Texas and California to Oregon.

00:12:07.440 Texas troops, California troops.

00:12:09.300 The judge comes in on a special hearing on a Sunday night and says, you didn't hear me the first time.

00:12:16.280 That's a no.

00:12:17.240 You can't do that.

00:12:18.800 So, you know, we need the courts there with us.

00:12:21.920 We need the rule of law to stand up against this.

00:12:24.060 This is not what Americans want to see.

00:12:26.340 They don't want to see their citizen soldiers in the streets of American cities. 0.90

00:12:30.960 And it's not about our three states.

00:12:32.900 It's about every state.

00:12:34.900 So the state of mind of the Trump administration, Tina and JB, seems to be that it's just they paint a picture of lawlessness and complete chaos.

00:12:44.040 That you, we, all of us are overwhelmed by the facts on the ground.

00:12:49.500 And all he's doing is advancing the fundamental paradigm of law and order.

00:12:55.140 And it's remarkable that we are not more grateful and saying thank you, Mr. President.

00:13:00.960 So paint the picture.

00:13:02.100 I mean, is it chaos, complete insanity in Portland, Oregon, as we speak?

00:13:07.560 Is the city being burned down, as the president described?

00:13:10.760 But Portland is not burning.

00:13:14.840 We are not a military target.

00:13:16.840 So when this first started, Portlanders were a little like, I don't know if abused is the right word, because people are still scared.

00:13:23.260 You know, they're scared about the immigration enforcement.

00:13:25.060 We have immigrant communities that are concerned.

00:13:26.700 People are worried about the Trump administration.

00:13:29.260 But they're like, what is this national news thing saying there's a problem in my city?

00:13:32.740 I'm out shopping.

00:13:33.800 I'm going to the park.

00:13:35.240 I'm running in a marathon in downtown Portland.

00:13:37.400 People are going to social media and being like, this is not a war zone, right, showing all their photos.

00:13:42.980 And that absurdity has now moved into complete disbelief, right, because it continues to go on, right?

00:13:50.960 We had Secretary Homeland Security Secretary here earlier this week.

00:13:54.740 I'm like, OK, great.

00:13:56.080 She's going to be on the ground.

00:13:57.260 She's going to see what's happening.

00:13:58.800 And then they go to D.C. and say, we're lying.

00:14:01.600 We don't understand the situation.

00:14:03.540 You know, this is organized domestic terrorism.

00:14:05.340 It is shocking.

00:14:07.240 Everyone is just kind of shaking their head here.

00:14:09.040 They don't understand it.

00:14:11.000 And now it's just become chilling and worrisome.

00:14:13.920 So speaking of chilling, JB, we saw those images of people descending from helicopters in the dead of night, armed, masked men going into apartment building, people quite literally asleep, people without clothing.

00:14:29.940 We've seen in the middle of the day tear gasping, dispensed.

00:14:33.220 I mean, those images are indeed chilling.

00:14:36.480 Give us a sense of what you're dealing with specifically on the ground in Chicago.

00:14:41.440 The only invasion or mayhem that's occurring is happening because the Trump administration is visiting it upon our city.

00:14:49.020 You saw that, that South Shore building in Chicago, middle of the night, Black Hawk helicopters.

00:14:57.160 We had we had ICE agents rappelling out of this military helicopter down the side of this building.

00:15:04.660 It has about 130 people in it.

00:15:06.820 They were targeting a few.

00:15:08.880 I'm talking about a single digit number of people that they said were gang members.

00:15:13.380 But the 130 people had their doors broken down, their windows broken.

00:15:19.920 There was everything was ransacked in the building.

00:15:22.420 We saw pictures and video of all of it.

00:15:24.540 They took innocent people out and zip tied their hands.

00:15:29.720 Children, I might add.

00:15:31.300 And a number of these people were U.S. citizens and others were legal residents of the state of Illinois and the United States of America.

00:15:39.940 And yet they were held for hours.

00:15:43.240 And these these ICE agents, first of all, they I don't think they really have been trained in law enforcement.

00:15:51.040 That our CPD, Chicago Public, sorry, Police Department, as well as our Illinois State Police.

00:15:57.620 We know that when we're targeting gang members and we do this with DEA and with FBI also, we target them.

00:16:04.340 We determine where they are in a building and then we make sure that we keep innocent people away from that area and we protect them while we go in and take people out.

00:16:15.620 That's not what happened here.

00:16:16.960 We had over 100 agents attacking a building.

00:16:20.520 It looked like Fallujah.

00:16:22.800 And they one other thing.

00:16:24.520 They set up dozens of cameras for social media purposes ahead of this.

00:16:30.980 And then they used all of that footage to turn it into this sort of, I don't know, adventure looking, you know, thing for for Kristi Noem's social media.

00:16:42.680 So they could, I'm not sure, advertise the idea to what people joining ICE.

00:16:48.360 I'm not sure exactly who they were trying to convince, but it all looked like B.S. in their social media.

00:16:53.960 It was B.S., in fact, on the ground.

00:16:56.540 And the result is we have traumatized children.

00:16:58.780 Of course.

00:16:59.320 We've got elderly people, again, who are held for hours.

00:17:02.660 We've got an entire community around this building who's wondering, like, are they next?

00:17:07.940 And this is what's happening all across the city of Chicago, this kind of trauma that's occurring in our communities.

00:17:13.780 People are afraid to go outside.

00:17:15.940 They can't walk their kids to school. 0.98

00:17:17.420 Again, if you're brown or black, you're liable to be stopped and held.

00:17:22.180 And this is in a circumstance where, you know, again, children trying to get to school and their parents trying to walk them there.

00:17:28.600 I went to an elementary school and there were children there who were worried that at the end of the school day, when they walk home, their parents might not be home.

00:17:38.160 That they will have been taken away and disappeared.

00:17:41.380 And that's the word we hear all the time, disappeared.

00:17:43.840 And just to underscore, Governor, what you just said, I mean, it's sanctioned now.

00:17:48.200 It's been sanctioned under the shadow docket, the Supreme Court, that the Trump administration can racially profile on the basis not just of skin color, but also where people congregate and the accent or the language they speak, which is chilling beyond words.

00:18:04.920 But you mentioned just the video side of this and the promotional side of this.

00:18:09.880 And you, of course, brought up Kristi Noem.

00:18:12.280 And Tina, you just met with Kristi Noem.

00:18:16.220 Did you not, was she, she was up in Portland.

00:18:19.480 Do you have a chance to engage in dialogue with her?

00:18:22.400 Yeah, I found out through unofficial channels the day before that she was coming to town.

00:18:26.780 And so I reached out and said, hey, can we meet?

00:18:28.460 It's interesting to see a cabinet secretary traveling with right-wing social media influencers.

00:18:35.920 It's interesting to see that same cabinet secretary standing on a federal building with those same types of folks, with, you know, with filming and other things.

00:18:44.160 This is a made-for-TV movie that they are producing to try to make a point.

00:18:51.580 You know, I thought we could have a, you know, reasonable conversation.

00:18:54.980 But, you know, it's hard to have a rational conversation with irrational people.

00:18:58.400 You know, then Secretary Noem goes back and has a, you know, meeting at the White House just yesterday talking about, you know, Antifa.

00:19:06.900 And the way they talk about it, I don't know what they're talking about.

00:19:09.480 It doesn't, any expert on anything in this country is just perplexed by what they're trying to say about what is happening in our major cities.

00:19:15.600 And so I just come back to what are the facts on the ground?

00:19:20.460 What does it mean to keep our community safe?

00:19:23.380 We have a president and an administration that doesn't care about the safety of Americans.

00:19:29.840 Look, you take an oath to the Constitution as the President of the United States, as we do as governors, our job is to stand up and protect everybody in our state.

00:19:37.180 And his job is to protect everybody in our country.

00:19:39.300 But what I heard from the secretary was we have the right and with impunity to be as aggressive with military policing tactics that we want to use.

00:19:50.740 And we don't care if it upsets people.

00:19:52.280 And we don't care if it creates more tension and more problems for your city.

00:19:56.540 They literally don't care.

00:19:58.300 And I want to get to the more problems and more tension and what lies underneath this and ask you both in a moment what you believe this is really all about.

00:20:06.900 If it's not about the issue of crime, but I'm old enough to remember, I think you both are as well.

00:20:13.400 There was a governor by the name of Noem, Christy Noem, who just last year was on Fox News, outraged, outraged by the very notion that then President Joe Biden would consider, rumored as it was at the time, consider to federalize her National Guard.

00:20:34.040 She said, as governor of her home state, she said that would be a clear constitutional violation and we would have, quote unquote, a war, she said, on our hands.

00:20:46.000 Did that come up in your conversation?

00:20:48.040 Was it a mea culpa? 0.74

00:20:49.600 Was there an expression of complete recognition of her hypocrisy? 0.94

00:20:53.220 Well, that would have had me falling off the chair. 0.74

00:20:55.680 No, we did not see that, right?

00:20:57.500 We didn't see any kind of like, hey, I see where you're coming from.

00:21:00.100 I used to be a governor.

00:21:01.420 It was the sense that just, you know, you should be trusting your governors.

00:21:07.000 You should be trusting the people who were there.

00:21:08.820 And as a former governor, she should know better.

00:21:11.220 Every state is under threat now.

00:21:13.360 Every state.

00:21:14.880 And we got to remember that.

00:21:16.020 We don't want our guards people.

00:21:17.400 We don't want active military in our streets.

00:21:19.560 The United States of America.

00:21:20.720 That is not who we are.

00:21:22.240 Yeah, and just to underscore that, I mean, a few months ago, of course, we saw 4,000 federalized

00:21:27.900 guard and we saw 700 active duty Marines.

00:21:30.620 We saw active duty Marines that weren't sent overseas.

00:21:33.680 They were sent to the second largest city on American streets.

00:21:36.620 And we still have hundreds of federalized guards.

00:21:39.340 200, Tina, are still in your state doing absolutely nothing.

00:21:44.500 Those 14 that were sent to, quote unquote, train the guard in JB's state.

00:21:50.720 And the rest sitting in the armories here doing, again, nothing in Los Angeles.

00:21:55.640 So it begs the question, JB, what the hell is this all about?

00:22:02.420 All I know is what I've been told.

00:22:05.080 And that's a half truth is a whole lie.

00:22:07.060 For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky,

00:22:15.720 went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

00:22:23.260 I'm telling you, we know Quincy Hilder, we know.

00:22:26.860 A story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the Citizen Investigator on national TV.

00:22:34.960 Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. 1.00

00:22:41.840 My name is Maggie Freeling.

00:22:43.280 I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

00:22:52.300 I did not know her and I did not kill her.

00:22:54.380 Or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said. 0.94

00:22:57.380 They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. 0.98

00:23:01.220 They made me say that I poured gas on her. 1.00

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00:24:35.520 Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose Podcast.

00:24:43.400 I had the incredible opportunity to sit down with the one, the only, Cardi B.

00:24:48.260 My marriage, I felt the love dying.

00:24:50.900 I was crying every day.

00:24:52.380 I fell in the deepest depression that I had ever had.

00:24:58.580 How do you think you're misunderstood?

00:25:00.140 I'm not this evil, mean person that people think that I am.

00:25:03.380 I'm too compassionate.

00:25:04.460 I have sympathy for that my man.

00:25:09.400 You put so much heart and soul into your work.

00:25:12.260 What's the hardest part for you to take that criticism?

00:25:14.900 This was not given to me.

00:25:17.180 I worked my ass off for me.

00:25:19.360 Even when I was a stripper, I'm gonna be the best pole dancer in here. 1.00

00:25:22.920 When was the moment you felt I did it?

00:25:24.880 I still, to this day, don't feel comfortable.

00:25:26.680 I fight every day to keep this level of success because people want to take it from you so bad.

00:25:32.620 Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:25:40.000 In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

00:25:52.000 We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.

00:25:58.440 But what they find is not what they expected.

00:26:02.160 Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. 1.00

00:26:06.140 They go, is this your daughter?

00:26:07.540 I said, yes.

00:26:08.660 They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years.

00:26:15.360 Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them,

00:26:20.400 the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray. 1.00

00:26:26.760 Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

00:26:30.080 Listen to The Chinatown Sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

00:26:41.180 Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. 0.99

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00:26:49.380 On this show, I'll be talking to top researchers and top clinicians,

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00:27:40.320 I mean, what do you think at the core is really going on here?

00:27:44.120 Well, I just want to go back for just a moment to say another governor that signed on to that same letter to President Biden

00:27:53.820 and who spoke out against the deployment and federalization of troops was Greg Abbott in Texas.

00:28:00.000 So, and FYI, you signed on and I signed on and all of the governors across the country signed on to that same notion

00:28:09.540 that really there should be extremely limited circumstances where the federal government is federalizing.

00:28:15.000 And obviously for foreign wars, for protecting the homeland from outside, that is something that we all believe in.

00:28:24.540 But anyway, I just wanted to highlight that Greg Abbott, just in case, yeah.

00:28:31.040 Two people that don't know, it's Texas, Greg Abbott, sent against the objections of Governor Pritzker,

00:28:38.740 sent the Texas National Guard into Chicago.

00:28:43.860 Remind us, Governor, how many National Guard from Texas were sent up to your state?

00:28:49.960 200 National Guard arrived yesterday.

00:28:53.540 They are gathered at a federal facility.

00:28:55.440 I have not allowed them to stay at our state facilities.

00:28:59.040 And they have not yet deployed onto the streets of Chicago, I might add,

00:29:02.880 because of where they were waiting at the judge's behest for her decision.

00:29:08.140 So, and we still are awaiting the end of the delivery of her decision,

00:29:12.740 but which I'll give you before the end if I can.

00:29:16.080 But here's what I think it's all about.

00:29:18.160 And I think you have to add in, so I think we all understand,

00:29:23.340 they're deploying troops into major American cities.

00:29:27.000 And right now, all blue cities, Democratic-controlled cities,

00:29:32.980 in blue Democratic-controlled states, you could include Washington, D.C. in that as well.

00:29:39.340 So, why those places?

00:29:42.100 And then add to this, so it's ICE, CBP, ICE, which just is getting about $100 billion to beef up.

00:29:53.080 That's about 10 times what it was under President Biden in the big, beautiful bill.

00:30:00.140 So, they're obviously doing something here that has never been done before.

00:30:04.740 Then add to that, all 50 states had our voter rolls called up by the DOJ, subpoenaed.

00:30:15.620 We had to deliver our voter rolls.

00:30:18.360 Why?

00:30:18.800 They didn't tell us why.

00:30:21.340 But they have, you know, hinted that, well, there might be fraud.

00:30:24.880 They're going to look through our voter rolls.

00:30:27.180 Very private information, in addition to people's names and addresses.

00:30:31.560 Other private information that are included in those voter files.

00:30:35.360 We've rejected, we haven't sent those, that information in.

00:30:39.500 We've only given them what's publicly available.

00:30:42.560 But here's what's important about this.

00:30:45.060 I believe that what they're going to do is use the voter rolls that they have to try to make a claim next year at election time in November.

00:30:54.640 However, if they're losing the election, that there is fraud in the elections, in whatever states they want to claim that.

00:31:03.020 And that, therefore, those elections either should be disregarded or that they should be able to count the ballots themselves.

00:31:12.360 So, why do I think that?

00:31:15.280 Because in 2020, when they were saying stop the steal, when they were rioting at January 6th at the Capitol,

00:31:23.980 Michael Flynn was calling for the president to confiscate the ballot boxes and determine the results of the election himself.

00:31:34.600 And then, you know, this is, I just, you know, want to give everybody, I'm not a conspiracy theorist type.

00:31:41.920 I'm just somebody who has watched enough about Donald Trump to know that he believes in this idea that there's massive fraud that could take place.

00:31:51.120 Or at least he believes enough that he could convince a lot of people of it.

00:31:55.680 And he believes in militarizing our cities.

00:31:58.880 He's been talking about taking over Chicago with the military for more than a decade, like before he was president the first time.

00:32:06.680 So, this is what I think he's got in mind.

00:32:10.100 Posting people at polling places in 2026 wouldn't surprise me at all.

00:32:15.020 Now, to deter people from voting, it would scare a lot of people I know from the polling places.

00:32:22.000 But why would he do it?

00:32:23.360 Again, scare them away, claim that he's protecting the voting, and then, of course, declare fraud wherever it is that he believes he isn't winning.

00:32:33.500 Yes, Governor, let me just reinforce that.

00:32:35.820 And those are sobering words, and I don't want to, I hope people are absorbing what you just said.

00:32:41.020 And also, how you said it in the context of even being situationally aware that you did say it, meaning you're not prone to conspiracy theories.

00:32:49.340 It may sound absurd to some, but I'll just underscore that.

00:32:54.020 Look, I think there's a direct thread that comes from the call he made to Greg Abbott about finding five seats that he's, quote, unquote, entitled to.

00:33:03.140 Because he knows all things being equal, he's going to lose the midterm elections.

00:33:06.840 And de facto, as presidency ends, sure, there'll be fire and fury, but there'll finally be congressional oversight.

00:33:13.360 There'll be some accountability.

00:33:15.040 And that's why he is trying to rig the next election.

00:33:18.520 Obviously, when you nationalize or federalize the Guard, and you put these Guard all across the country, increasingly, we're seeing that, as you suggest, growing city by city.

00:33:27.760 But you add to that what you said, which is now the ability to hire an additional, with that $100 billion, 10,000 members of ICE, the largest domestic police force anywhere in the world,

00:33:41.740 that, my words, seemingly are increasingly swearing an oath of office, not to the Constitution, but by some activity and actions that we've seen firsthand here,

00:33:51.460 to the president himself, i.e., what he did at the Democracy Center when we kicked off our Proposition 50, and he sent ICE, and he sent Border Patrol to scare people from participating in our event.

00:34:04.960 This is a preview of things to come at voting booths and polling places all across the country.

00:34:09.180 Long-winded way of saying, I could not agree, Governor, with you more.

00:34:13.460 This is about something much more insidious than just control in the short run.

00:34:20.580 This is about power in the long run.

00:34:23.100 This is a president who believes in the absolute power that he thinks he has.

00:34:26.820 He told a room full of hundreds of military generals that it's an okay idea to put our military troops, federalizing the National Guard, into our cities for practice.

00:34:41.000 Yep, that's right.

00:34:41.740 We can't allow this to be normalized, because the authoritarianism is going to creep up on us.

00:34:48.780 We have to know that this is wrong.

00:34:50.980 This is not who we are as Americans.

00:34:52.600 We have checks and balances.

00:34:53.900 We have the courts.

00:34:55.060 The states have rights.

00:34:57.020 Governors have a role to play.

00:34:58.640 This is not how our democracy should operate.

00:35:02.520 Regardless of what, even if that theory, which I think sounds like a really strong one, isn't true, we should all agree that when you just get comfortable with troops in your cities, bad things are going to happen.

00:35:15.840 And not only bad things are going to happen, they were anticipated in this context.

00:35:21.120 Our founding fathers created a framework, obviously, you know, three co-equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, the rule of law.

00:35:28.720 And that fundamental system of checks and balances is not in balance right now because you have a supine speaker, Johnson and Congress, that are nowhere to be found.

00:35:40.120 And so I want to go to this issue of rule of law because both of you, not both of you, all of us have been the beneficiary of federal judges, some appointed by Trump himself, as Tina, you rightfully referenced, that have all adjudicated in favor of this overreach.

00:36:02.000 So how confident are you, JB, Tina, are you in the rule of law?

00:36:06.140 How confident are you in the courts?

00:36:10.120 Well, let me say that I've been pleased to see the decisions so far in these cases, and I'll give you an update before we're finished because I did just get an update.

00:36:23.160 But I'll just tell you, I'm not very confident about what the Supreme Court will do.

00:36:31.280 These are, as you know, a plurality of judges that were appointed by Donald Trump himself.

00:36:38.380 So I'm concerned about what will happen at that level.

00:36:43.140 But we have to rely on our courts at the moment.

00:36:46.640 That really is the only place that we can go for justice.

00:36:49.440 I'm not going to break the law here.

00:36:51.600 I don't do what Donald Trump does.

00:36:53.420 You know, he threatens to jail you, Gavin, and me.

00:36:57.440 This is a guy who's been convicted of 34 felonies.

00:37:00.480 So I find that ironic.

00:37:03.300 But I mostly, I, by the way, JB, you and I are going to count on Tina to get us out of jail.

00:37:08.740 Tina.

00:37:09.200 I got you back.

00:37:10.120 I will get you out.

00:37:11.280 I will come for it.

00:37:12.140 I will be there for you.

00:37:13.080 Cake with a file inside would be helpful.

00:37:15.560 Thank you.

00:37:15.940 But, you know, look, I think we have to rely on our courts and believe in the law and the Constitution of the United States.

00:37:25.560 It is working so far with regard to this federalization of troops and in a number of other instances.

00:37:33.920 I don't agree with some of the court rulings so far in other cases around the Supreme Court, of course.

00:37:39.640 But again, what we're focused on, I mean, the three of us, is making sure that we're able to get justice somewhere.

00:37:48.220 Because we're not able to get it from a Congress that isn't doing any oversight.

00:37:52.580 We're definitely not able to get it from a president who, in my mind, is suffering from dementia.

00:37:58.680 And, you know, you don't know from one day to the next what he's going to decide or what power he's going to invoke that's never been invoked before and how the people around him, Tom Holman, Christy Holman, I mean, Christy Noem, Greg Bovino at CBP, how they're going to carry out things that he may not even know about because it does appear that he doesn't do any reading or studying or even questioning.

00:38:23.280 So I'm concerned about all that.

00:38:26.980 But again, I'm focused on I think we can get justice in the courts.

00:38:31.860 And Tina's example of the Trump-appointed judge ruling as she did, you know, is, I think, a good sign.

00:38:40.520 You know, it's interesting, I don't want to fall prey to the president's state of mind, but not lost on me, just in terms of the way you framed it and how much Donald Trump cares about truth, building trust, facts, and is interested in lifelong learning.

00:38:59.720 He was asked today about habeas corpus and asked, said, who, who, habeas who, in relationship to what's happening in your backyard, Tina, president of the United States.

00:39:09.900 And remember, this is why we fought the American Revolution, right?

00:39:12.940 We fought for the rule of law.

00:39:14.760 We fought for being protected by an entity that had power over us.

00:39:18.020 That is what the American Revolution was about, right?

00:39:20.200 That our country is based on a rule of law for a reason.

00:39:23.860 You know, so I have faith in my attorney general.

00:39:25.500 He's doing a great job.

00:39:26.420 I think individual federal judges, they know what the law is.

00:39:31.600 They're going to stand up for the Constitution.

00:39:33.240 I do get nervous.

00:39:34.540 You know, there's a lot of nervous all day long.

00:39:36.680 But when we go up to the Supreme Court, if that's where this is headed, that is concerning.

00:39:44.900 All I know is what I've been told, and that to have truth is a whole lie.

00:39:49.520 I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

00:40:08.420 A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got The Citizen Investigator on national TV.

00:40:17.420 Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. 1.00

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00:40:34.760 I did not know her, and I did not kill her.

00:40:36.840 Or rape, or burn, or any of that other stuff that y'all said. 0.88

00:40:39.780 They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. 0.98

00:40:43.660 They made me say that I poured gas on her. 1.00

00:40:45.900 From Lava for Good, this is Graves County.

00:40:51.420 A show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

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00:41:00.580 Bad things happen to good people in small towns.

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00:41:28.340 I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of Heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart.

00:41:35.100 How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again? 0.71

00:41:41.560 And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old.

00:41:47.960 And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke.

00:41:53.040 And he got down, and I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power.

00:41:57.780 Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother try to solve my problems through hypnotism.

00:42:03.480 We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time.

00:42:06.880 Being more able to look people in the eye.

00:42:08.700 Not always hide behind a microphone.

00:42:11.480 Listen to Heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:42:38.700 How do you think you're misunderstood?

00:42:42.620 I'm not this evil, mean person that people think that I am.

00:42:45.860 I'm too compassionate.

00:42:47.220 I have sympathy for that my man.

00:42:51.560 You put so much heart and soul into your work.

00:42:54.680 What's the hardest part for you to take that criticism?

00:42:57.340 This was not given to me.

00:42:59.600 I worked my ass off for me.

00:43:01.720 Even when I was a stripper, I'm going to be the best pole dancer in here. 1.00

00:43:05.620 When was the moment you felt or did it?

00:43:07.340 I still to this day don't feel comfortable.

00:43:09.140 I fight every day to keep this level of success because people want to take it from you so bad.

00:43:15.340 Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:43:22.260 What's up, everybody?

00:43:23.760 This is Snacks from the Trap Nurse Podcast, and we're bringing you the horror every week all October long.

00:43:29.360 Kicking up this month, I'll be bringing you all my greatest fear-inducing horror games from Resident Evil to Silent Hill.

00:43:35.660 Me and Tony bringing back Fireteam on Left 4 Dead 2.

00:43:38.440 And we're just going to be going over some of the greats. 0.72

00:43:40.760 Also in October, we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movie and figuring out why black people always got to die first. 1.00

00:43:47.720 The Umbral Reliquary invites any and all fooling brave enough to peruse its many curiosities.

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00:44:04.600 With a full episode read and a commentary special.

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00:44:19.800 On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:44:26.020 In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

00:44:35.820 We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.

00:44:41.480 But what they find is not what they expected.

00:44:43.900 Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. 1.00

00:44:49.240 They go, is this your daughter?

00:44:50.800 I said, yes.

00:44:51.680 They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years.

00:44:58.400 Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them,

00:45:03.460 the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray. 1.00

00:45:08.340 Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

00:45:14.200 Listen to the Chinatown Sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

00:45:20.660 Are you both concerned about the president's willingness to openly discuss the Insurrection Act?

00:45:32.280 Because one of the things that we have been blessed by here in the state of California are a number of lower court decisions,

00:45:42.560 including Justice Breyer, on the question of posse comitatus.

00:45:47.840 And the issue of posse comitatus, for those that don't know, is not a complicated one.

00:45:52.920 It's fundamentally about not allowing the federal military to be used for domestic policing, period, full stop,

00:46:00.840 unless the president invokes the Insurrection Act.

00:46:05.620 So there's a scenario, is there not, where even if the courts adjudicate in favor of what we believe are these fundamental constitutional principles,

00:46:15.500 the president himself can simply invoke the Insurrection Act.

00:46:18.840 Is that a plausible outcome here, from your perspective, either of you?

00:46:23.480 I think it's possible.

00:46:26.840 I will say that, again, rule of law, you know, there's a reason it's called the Insurrection Act.

00:46:32.820 It's about an insurrection, a foreign invasion, right, where you've got to defend against collapse.

00:46:40.660 And that's not occurring in Portland.

00:46:43.520 It's not occurring in Chicago.

00:46:45.080 It wasn't occurring in L.A. and certainly not Washington, D.C.

00:46:49.620 And I am, I mean, I think that could happen.

00:46:53.280 But here's the scarier part.

00:46:56.120 He doesn't need to invoke the Insurrection Act.

00:47:00.260 He's already militarized the Customs and Border Patrol and ICE.

00:47:06.460 And, as you just repeated, you know, $100 billion to hire new ICE agents.

00:47:13.380 And I want to add one thing.

00:47:14.660 This is very strange to me.

00:47:16.520 You know, the Customs and Border Patrol is not supposed to be utilized, in fact, by law, not allowed to be utilized anywhere other than within 100 miles of the border.

00:47:26.200 However, I'm here in Chicago.

00:47:29.960 Did they move Illinois, JB?

00:47:31.560 I missed that.

00:47:31.980 I mean, there might be people who would like to move Illinois right now.

00:47:35.960 But, you know, Canada is very far away from Chicago.

00:47:41.720 They're claiming that Lake Michigan is the border.

00:47:45.340 And so Oak Street Beach in Chicago is the border, apparently.

00:47:48.940 So this is another issue where they're using civilian law enforcement, right, and even taking people out of FBI and DEA and ATF and moving them over to ICE for ICE duties and CBP.

00:48:07.040 It was CBP that was marching around in uniforms with automatic weapons in downtown Chicago.

00:48:13.200 That was CBP, Customs and Border Patrol, not ICE.

00:48:15.880 So I'm just saying you don't need the military to do what he wants to do, militarize the cities.

00:48:22.780 So that's, I think, even more frightening.

00:48:25.640 I mean, we could maybe hold him back on the Insurrection Act, but he doesn't need it.

00:48:33.900 What we talk about the courts.

00:48:36.140 What about the court of public opinion?

00:48:38.440 Where is where are the people?

00:48:40.040 I mean, are you distilled?

00:48:41.600 I've been, we've been just overwhelmed by the overwhelming opposition to what's going on in our streets and sidewalks.

00:48:50.400 People are angry.

00:48:51.860 They're outraged.

00:48:52.660 It's not about red versus blue.

00:48:54.680 It's about red, white, and blue.

00:48:55.860 People are seeing this country that we fought for 249 years, about to enjoy the 250th anniversary of the best of Roman Republic and Greek democracy.

00:49:05.260 And we're seeing this remarkable moment of vandalism.

00:49:10.920 Where are the people of Oregon?

00:49:13.540 Where are the people of Illinois? 0.99

00:49:15.560 The vast majority of Oregonians are mad.

00:49:19.000 They don't agree with this.

00:49:20.120 And you know the group that is most impactful when I hear the stories, it's our veterans.

00:49:25.300 Folks who served in the National Guard.

00:49:27.280 People who have been veterans of the active military.

00:49:29.880 They know that this is wrong, and they are appalled by it.

00:49:34.640 And so I think they speak forcefully for people across my state that this shouldn't be happening.

00:49:40.140 Well, we have peaceful protesters, of course, around the ICE facility in Broadview, Illinois.

00:49:44.640 That's just outside Chicago.

00:49:46.260 It's not in the city.

00:49:47.760 About two blocks of protesters, you know, lining the sidewalks.

00:49:52.940 It's not an enormous number, but, you know, more than 100 people each day.

00:49:59.580 And they're upset.

00:50:01.440 I think what I take as an indicator of something important that's happening, though, is there are a lot of protests that are occurring that are not necessarily just at the ICE facility, but that are about what's happening to the country.

00:50:15.580 And, yes, of course, there's going to be the No Kings rally on October 18th, which I think will be another indicator.

00:50:22.920 But you know what's happening in the neighborhoods when ICE is coming in with their unmarked vehicles and wearing masks and, you know, attacking people's homes is their neighbors are coming out and yelling at the ICE.

00:50:38.420 And people are angry, just like Tina said.

00:50:41.160 People see it, and they're like, what is happening?

00:50:44.260 What kind of a country do we live in?

00:50:46.320 And, I mean, U.S. citizens, people who are documented, and, yeah, people who are undocumented, but, by the way, have never broken a law in the United States.

00:50:55.360 They've never done anything wrong.

00:50:56.520 They're paying taxes, going to work.

00:50:58.540 I mean, we should deal with comprehensive immigration reform, we all agree.

00:51:02.520 But I'm just saying, like, you know, they said they were coming after the worst of the worst.

00:51:06.500 That's not what they're doing.

00:51:07.440 And they come into our neighborhoods, here's what gives me hope.

00:51:10.540 You see people coming out of their homes onto the sidewalks yelling and pulling out their phones to video, film, everything.

00:51:18.660 I've asked them to do that because it becomes evidence.

00:51:21.960 It also becomes, I think, inspiring for people across the country to say, this is wrong.

00:51:28.340 We've got to do something about this.

00:51:29.760 And then I think we've all got to remind people that, in the end, how we're going to solve for this is people have to show up and vote against it in 2026 in November.

00:51:39.940 That's right.

00:51:40.580 And I want to applaud the work both of you have done on Know Your Rights campaign, on providing legal support for those families that have illegally been torn apart because of some of these activities.

00:51:54.160 And I also appreciate the clarity to which you both have communicated, that none of us are condensing violent criminals and we're not shielding violent criminal actors in any way, shape or form.

00:52:07.760 That's not what this is about.

00:52:09.800 But, J.B., we opened with you.

00:52:12.260 Can we close with you?

00:52:13.260 You said that I don't know how you're multitasking here, but you broke some news with us on the TRO.

00:52:21.640 We're all pricing our multitasking.

00:52:23.400 What was that?

00:52:24.220 Anything further you want to illuminate in terms of?

00:52:27.000 It's the chip they implanted in my brain that's giving me the info.

00:52:31.920 The judge seems to have enjoined the federalization, so we expect to see that in the oral decision that's going to be delivered tomorrow morning.

00:52:46.480 So I think we'll know kind of the final full ruling by then.

00:52:51.300 But I feel reasonably confident based upon what she was saying.

00:52:56.080 My team is handing me a note even as we speak.

00:52:59.360 Yeah, just to remind, I think, all of us that this is, first of all, it's a big victory for us to, you know, hold back the federalization of our National Guard.

00:53:11.520 These people don't, by the way, they don't want to be called up.

00:53:14.000 I mean, just like in California, they don't want to be called up standing against their own citizens who they've been protecting, who they rescue on a regular basis when there's a real disaster.

00:53:24.120 They don't want to do that.

00:53:25.260 And I don't think the Illinois National Guard wants to, and I don't think the Texas National Guard or the California want to come to Illinois to do that.

00:53:32.880 They may not be from here, but, you know, they know that what they're doing isn't what they signed up to do.

00:53:37.920 So I'm very pleased with, so far, with what we know about the judge's ruling.

00:53:42.380 And I feel, you know, reasonably confident when we get to read it finally tomorrow morning, we're going to see a full TRO and no troops on the ground in Chicago.

00:53:52.000 But we'll have to see.

00:53:53.320 I appreciate that update.

00:53:55.260 And also just, you know, not to slimmer how we opened as well.

00:54:00.280 You know, these, for us, the National Guard, these are the folks that are out there during the fire, in the middle of the fire and during our recovery.

00:54:07.440 And they were heroes.

00:54:08.620 I mean, the biggest problem we had, we had thousands of National Guard that were there protecting the residents of Los Angeles.

00:54:15.540 And the biggest problem they had were the number of people coming up to get selfies with them, giving them food and water, and they were overwhelmed.

00:54:22.440 And these are our neighbors.

00:54:23.540 These are nurses and doctors. 0.97

00:54:24.880 These are firefighters and law enforcement officers that are quite literally being taken now off the street and been asked to mask up.

00:54:32.240 And I think it's so important that we underscore what you just said, JB, that we're not at war with them, quite the contrary.

00:54:41.520 And that's what's so abusive about what the President of the United States has done.

00:54:46.820 But I want to just say this in closing.

00:54:48.880 I want to thank you both for what you've done, the moral clarity to which you both have met this moment, how effectively you've communicated,

00:54:56.980 how effectively you've galvanized the public to understand what's at stake.

00:55:02.140 Thank you for the partnership in terms of the compare and contrast and the sharing of information with our legal teams and with our staff.

00:55:13.720 It distills for me a sense of well-being.

00:55:17.680 You know, there's an old adage, you want to go fast, go alone.

00:55:19.640 You want to go far, go together.

00:55:20.840 And this is a time for us to partner, and it's a time for us to, I think, really raise the red flag of alarm about what's really going on in this country and what we're up against.

00:55:33.320 Well, thank you, Gavin, and thank you, Tina.

00:55:35.940 Both of you I've spoken with as we're going through what we're going through in Chicago.

00:55:41.560 And I think we've each advised each other about ideas that we have.

00:55:46.300 And you talk about speaking with moral clarity, Gavin.

00:55:50.160 And I can't thank you enough for you having done that since early, before the, you know, the invasion of L.A. by those troops.

00:56:00.420 And you keep it up.

00:56:02.360 And, Tina, I know, you know, I just, I know all of this has been jarring for the people of Oregon,

00:56:08.200 but you have been such a beacon for them.

00:56:11.620 And I've watched you as things are happening here in Chicago and thought, you know, well, I've got to take that idea.

00:56:17.760 That's a great idea, the way you've expressed yourself.

00:56:20.600 So thank you for all of your advice along the way.

00:56:23.840 Thanks, JB.

00:56:24.640 Thank you, Gavin.

00:56:25.540 You know, we stick together.

00:56:27.100 We'll get through this.

00:56:28.620 But it's been an honor working with you.

00:56:30.360 We're going to keep hanging out together because we've got to keep fighting.

00:56:32.960 This is going to be a brawl.

00:56:34.820 So let's keep together and appreciate you both.

00:56:37.500 We'll appreciate it.

00:56:38.320 It's a rare opportunity for us to get together in this public manner.

00:56:41.580 I think it's really important.

00:56:42.720 And, again, grateful for both of you taking the time, particularly with the preciousness that is time at this moment.

00:56:49.900 Thank you, guys.

00:56:51.560 Thanks.

00:56:52.160 Take care.

00:56:52.440 Take care.

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