J.B. Pritzker and Tina Kotek are on the front lines of a constitutional crisis. They are fighting for their states, their communities, and their families. And they are fighting back against the Trump administration's militarization of their states' streets.
00:00:00.000This is not what Americans want to see.
00:00:02.500The only invasion or mayhem that's occurring is happening because the Trump administration is visiting it upon our city.
00:00:10.100This is not who we are as Americans. We have checks and balances. We have the courts.
00:00:13.880In June of this year, in the second largest city in the United States of America,
00:00:18.820the president of the United States called up 700 active duty Marines.
00:00:23.260He didn't send them overseas. He sent them to an American city.
00:00:27.160It was just days after he had federalized some 4000 National Guard, unprecedented act done not at the behest of the state's governor, myself,
00:00:41.380but against my advice, my counsel, certainly against my consent.
00:00:47.660We said at the time this was a preview of things to come.
00:00:50.700A few months later, we saw what happened in another major American city in Washington, D.C., with the militarization of their streets.
00:01:00.080And of course, since then, we've seen similar actions by this president and Christine Noem and Homeland Security in other major American cities,
00:01:09.760not least of which just in the last few days in Chicago, Illinois, Portland, Oregon.
00:01:16.120And the anticipation is we're going to see additional actions by this president all across the United States of America.
00:01:23.900This is unprecedented in modern American history.
00:01:26.980This is, dare I say, a constitutional crisis.
00:01:30.220But it's also a crisis that not only divides, but also brings people together.
00:01:35.200And one of the things that I've enjoyed perhaps more than most aspects of my job is working collaborative and getting to know some of America's outstanding leaders,
00:01:47.660leaders like J.B. Pritzker, leaders like Tina Kotek, both now on the front lines of this constitutional crisis,
00:01:55.720on the front lines as it relates to the militarization of their city and their state's streets.
00:02:01.620And it's such a treat, an opportunity to be able to connect not only with both of them in private, but now to connect with them in public.
00:02:11.480I don't think we've had this kind of dialogue in this kind of forum before.
00:02:17.060And I'm looking forward to the conversation.
00:02:19.400And I hope you'll enjoy this conversation with both J.B. Pritzker and Tina Kotek on this unique podcast.
00:04:14.680Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:04:21.640In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.
00:04:31.560I had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.
00:04:37.220Five, six white people pushed me in the car.
00:05:35.460This is a great and rare opportunity to have two remarkable leaders in the thick of things right now.
00:05:41.880Governor of the great state of Illinois and the great state of Oregon on the front lines of this growing constitutional crisis,
00:05:50.220this sort of relentless and unprecedented overreach from the federal government.
00:05:56.300What's happening on the streets of Chicago and Portland are obviously in the news and top of mind.
00:06:02.560But I'm really pleased to have J.B. and Tina with me to be able to compare and contrast
00:06:07.740and to talk about the world we're living in and what defines this moment.
00:06:12.140But at this moment, Governor Pritzker, I'm told that you just have some news from a court that is adjudicated on the possibility of a temporary restraining order.
00:07:29.800And it just goes to the nature of this moment and how fast-paced, hour-by-hour things are.
00:07:34.200There's so many court proceedings that are underway, not least of which here in California and obviously in Oregon as well.
00:07:39.980But before I get to Tina, just to be on that, paint the picture of what you went to court for what specific reason to push back against what specific action by the president?
00:07:52.400Yeah. So what's going on on the ground here is that there are Texas National Guard that have been federalized.
00:08:34.060So, you know, this is I mean, I've called it an invasion because when you look at the numbers that they're calling up,
00:08:41.420500 National Guardsmen, these are not folks who are trained to do, you know, policing or any kind of, you know, crime fighting.
00:08:51.480They're terrific, by the way, all of our National Guards.
00:08:55.300You know, we send them abroad to defend our country and they do an amazing job at that.
00:09:00.300But, you know, but the idea that they should act as, well, some sort of, you know, protection against crime or to protect the facilities here or the ICE officials on the ground.
00:09:16.100So, I mean, they should be used for what they're trained to do, which is to fight wars or here in our state, of course, and in yours, too, you know,
00:09:24.300emergencies that we need to call them up for, whether it was COVID or flooding or anything else.
00:09:28.700So, we're very proud of our National Guard and I don't want anybody to get the idea otherwise.
00:09:34.920We just want them to be used for what they signed up for.
00:09:38.460It's such an important predicate for this conversation is the respect and admiration, the reverence we have for these men and women in uniform being used in unprecedented ways,
00:09:49.320I think abused under the circumstances.
00:09:52.820And I just want to paint the picture of those circumstances because you're right.
00:09:56.100We had 14 of our National Guard men and women that were sent originally to Oregon against, again, our objections.
00:10:03.440They'd already been federalized by the Trump administration, sent to do, quote, unquote, training up in Oregon.
00:10:10.740And then a judge not dissimilarly issued a TRO in favor of Governor Kotech in your work.
00:10:22.260And then we're sent, those 14, to Chicago.
00:10:26.660But let's talk a little bit about what's happening in Portland right now, what's happening in Oregon,
00:10:30.660and where are you on some of these court decisions, Governor?
00:10:34.040Well, thank you, and thanks for having us, Gavin.
00:10:36.920First of all, I want to thank both of you to know that I can pick up the phone and we can have a conversation.
00:10:42.800You know, and JB, I'm sorry this is happening to the people of Illinois.
00:10:47.060And when it was happening in California, we were feeling the same way about things in your home state, Gavin.
00:10:53.720In our case, you know, I wake up on a Saturday morning and the president is tweeting or on social media saying we should send full forces to Oregon.
00:11:04.220And I'm like, what are you talking about, right?
00:11:06.480We have an ICE facility, one block radius, and, you know, the city is doing well.
00:11:13.280You know, we have our challenges, but, you know, people are living their lives here.
00:11:16.300And I'm like, what is the reality check when the president believes he needs to go over the top of governors to pull in, you know, military intervention into the city?
00:11:25.480He first wanted to call up the Oregon National Guard.
00:11:27.700We went to court and got a temporary restraining order because, and I think you're seeing it in JB's case as well, the judges are looking at the facts on the ground.
00:11:37.420They're talking to local law enforcement.
00:11:39.420They're trying to understand, does the president have the ability to call this an insurrection and a rebellion?
00:12:34.900So the state of mind of the Trump administration, Tina and JB, seems to be that it's just they paint a picture of lawlessness and complete chaos.
00:12:44.040That you, we, all of us are overwhelmed by the facts on the ground.
00:12:49.500And all he's doing is advancing the fundamental paradigm of law and order.
00:12:55.140And it's remarkable that we are not more grateful and saying thank you, Mr. President.
00:14:11.000And now it's just become chilling and worrisome.
00:14:13.920So speaking of chilling, JB, we saw those images of people descending from helicopters in the dead of night, armed, masked men going into apartment building, people quite literally asleep, people without clothing.
00:14:29.940We've seen in the middle of the day tear gasping, dispensed.
00:14:33.220I mean, those images are indeed chilling.
00:14:36.480Give us a sense of what you're dealing with specifically on the ground in Chicago.
00:14:41.440The only invasion or mayhem that's occurring is happening because the Trump administration is visiting it upon our city.
00:14:49.020You saw that, that South Shore building in Chicago, middle of the night, Black Hawk helicopters.
00:14:57.160We had we had ICE agents rappelling out of this military helicopter down the side of this building.
00:15:43.240And these these ICE agents, first of all, they I don't think they really have been trained in law enforcement.
00:15:51.040That our CPD, Chicago Public, sorry, Police Department, as well as our Illinois State Police.
00:15:57.620We know that when we're targeting gang members and we do this with DEA and with FBI also, we target them.
00:16:04.340We determine where they are in a building and then we make sure that we keep innocent people away from that area and we protect them while we go in and take people out.
00:16:24.520They set up dozens of cameras for social media purposes ahead of this.
00:16:30.980And then they used all of that footage to turn it into this sort of, I don't know, adventure looking, you know, thing for for Kristi Noem's social media.
00:16:42.680So they could, I'm not sure, advertise the idea to what people joining ICE.
00:16:48.360I'm not sure exactly who they were trying to convince, but it all looked like B.S. in their social media.
00:17:17.420Again, if you're brown or black, you're liable to be stopped and held.
00:17:22.180And this is in a circumstance where, you know, again, children trying to get to school and their parents trying to walk them there.
00:17:28.600I went to an elementary school and there were children there who were worried that at the end of the school day, when they walk home, their parents might not be home.
00:17:38.160That they will have been taken away and disappeared.
00:17:41.380And that's the word we hear all the time, disappeared.
00:17:43.840And just to underscore, Governor, what you just said, I mean, it's sanctioned now.
00:17:48.200It's been sanctioned under the shadow docket, the Supreme Court, that the Trump administration can racially profile on the basis not just of skin color, but also where people congregate and the accent or the language they speak, which is chilling beyond words.
00:18:04.920But you mentioned just the video side of this and the promotional side of this.
00:18:09.880And you, of course, brought up Kristi Noem.
00:18:12.280And Tina, you just met with Kristi Noem.
00:18:16.220Did you not, was she, she was up in Portland.
00:18:19.480Do you have a chance to engage in dialogue with her?
00:18:22.400Yeah, I found out through unofficial channels the day before that she was coming to town.
00:18:26.780And so I reached out and said, hey, can we meet?
00:18:28.460It's interesting to see a cabinet secretary traveling with right-wing social media influencers.
00:18:35.920It's interesting to see that same cabinet secretary standing on a federal building with those same types of folks, with, you know, with filming and other things.
00:18:44.160This is a made-for-TV movie that they are producing to try to make a point.
00:18:51.580You know, I thought we could have a, you know, reasonable conversation.
00:18:54.980But, you know, it's hard to have a rational conversation with irrational people.
00:18:58.400You know, then Secretary Noem goes back and has a, you know, meeting at the White House just yesterday talking about, you know, Antifa.
00:19:06.900And the way they talk about it, I don't know what they're talking about.
00:19:09.480It doesn't, any expert on anything in this country is just perplexed by what they're trying to say about what is happening in our major cities.
00:19:15.600And so I just come back to what are the facts on the ground?
00:19:20.460What does it mean to keep our community safe?
00:19:23.380We have a president and an administration that doesn't care about the safety of Americans.
00:19:29.840Look, you take an oath to the Constitution as the President of the United States, as we do as governors, our job is to stand up and protect everybody in our state.
00:19:37.180And his job is to protect everybody in our country.
00:19:39.300But what I heard from the secretary was we have the right and with impunity to be as aggressive with military policing tactics that we want to use.
00:19:50.740And we don't care if it upsets people.
00:19:52.280And we don't care if it creates more tension and more problems for your city.
00:19:58.300And I want to get to the more problems and more tension and what lies underneath this and ask you both in a moment what you believe this is really all about.
00:20:06.900If it's not about the issue of crime, but I'm old enough to remember, I think you both are as well.
00:20:13.400There was a governor by the name of Noem, Christy Noem, who just last year was on Fox News, outraged, outraged by the very notion that then President Joe Biden would consider, rumored as it was at the time, consider to federalize her National Guard.
00:20:34.040She said, as governor of her home state, she said that would be a clear constitutional violation and we would have, quote unquote, a war, she said, on our hands.
00:20:46.000Did that come up in your conversation?
00:25:19.360Even when I was a stripper, I'm gonna be the best pole dancer in here.
00:25:22.920When was the moment you felt I did it?
00:25:24.880I still, to this day, don't feel comfortable.
00:25:26.680I fight every day to keep this level of success because people want to take it from you so bad.
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00:25:40.000In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.
00:25:52.000We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.
00:25:58.440But what they find is not what they expected.
00:26:02.160Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.
00:30:21.340But they have, you know, hinted that, well, there might be fraud.
00:30:24.880They're going to look through our voter rolls.
00:30:27.180Very private information, in addition to people's names and addresses.
00:30:31.560Other private information that are included in those voter files.
00:30:35.360We've rejected, we haven't sent those, that information in.
00:30:39.500We've only given them what's publicly available.
00:30:42.560But here's what's important about this.
00:30:45.060I believe that what they're going to do is use the voter rolls that they have to try to make a claim next year at election time in November.
00:30:54.640However, if they're losing the election, that there is fraud in the elections, in whatever states they want to claim that.
00:31:03.020And that, therefore, those elections either should be disregarded or that they should be able to count the ballots themselves.
00:31:15.280Because in 2020, when they were saying stop the steal, when they were rioting at January 6th at the Capitol,
00:31:23.980Michael Flynn was calling for the president to confiscate the ballot boxes and determine the results of the election himself.
00:31:34.600And then, you know, this is, I just, you know, want to give everybody, I'm not a conspiracy theorist type.
00:31:41.920I'm just somebody who has watched enough about Donald Trump to know that he believes in this idea that there's massive fraud that could take place.
00:31:51.120Or at least he believes enough that he could convince a lot of people of it.
00:31:55.680And he believes in militarizing our cities.
00:31:58.880He's been talking about taking over Chicago with the military for more than a decade, like before he was president the first time.
00:32:06.680So, this is what I think he's got in mind.
00:32:10.100Posting people at polling places in 2026 wouldn't surprise me at all.
00:32:15.020Now, to deter people from voting, it would scare a lot of people I know from the polling places.
00:32:23.360Again, scare them away, claim that he's protecting the voting, and then, of course, declare fraud wherever it is that he believes he isn't winning.
00:32:33.500Yes, Governor, let me just reinforce that.
00:32:35.820And those are sobering words, and I don't want to, I hope people are absorbing what you just said.
00:32:41.020And also, how you said it in the context of even being situationally aware that you did say it, meaning you're not prone to conspiracy theories.
00:32:49.340It may sound absurd to some, but I'll just underscore that.
00:32:54.020Look, I think there's a direct thread that comes from the call he made to Greg Abbott about finding five seats that he's, quote, unquote, entitled to.
00:33:03.140Because he knows all things being equal, he's going to lose the midterm elections.
00:33:06.840And de facto, as presidency ends, sure, there'll be fire and fury, but there'll finally be congressional oversight.
00:33:15.040And that's why he is trying to rig the next election.
00:33:18.520Obviously, when you nationalize or federalize the Guard, and you put these Guard all across the country, increasingly, we're seeing that, as you suggest, growing city by city.
00:33:27.760But you add to that what you said, which is now the ability to hire an additional, with that $100 billion, 10,000 members of ICE, the largest domestic police force anywhere in the world,
00:33:41.740that, my words, seemingly are increasingly swearing an oath of office, not to the Constitution, but by some activity and actions that we've seen firsthand here,
00:33:51.460to the president himself, i.e., what he did at the Democracy Center when we kicked off our Proposition 50, and he sent ICE, and he sent Border Patrol to scare people from participating in our event.
00:34:04.960This is a preview of things to come at voting booths and polling places all across the country.
00:34:09.180Long-winded way of saying, I could not agree, Governor, with you more.
00:34:13.460This is about something much more insidious than just control in the short run.
00:34:23.100This is a president who believes in the absolute power that he thinks he has.
00:34:26.820He told a room full of hundreds of military generals that it's an okay idea to put our military troops, federalizing the National Guard, into our cities for practice.
00:34:58.640This is not how our democracy should operate.
00:35:02.520Regardless of what, even if that theory, which I think sounds like a really strong one, isn't true, we should all agree that when you just get comfortable with troops in your cities, bad things are going to happen.
00:35:15.840And not only bad things are going to happen, they were anticipated in this context.
00:35:21.120Our founding fathers created a framework, obviously, you know, three co-equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, the rule of law.
00:35:28.720And that fundamental system of checks and balances is not in balance right now because you have a supine speaker, Johnson and Congress, that are nowhere to be found.
00:35:40.120And so I want to go to this issue of rule of law because both of you, not both of you, all of us have been the beneficiary of federal judges, some appointed by Trump himself, as Tina, you rightfully referenced, that have all adjudicated in favor of this overreach.
00:36:02.000So how confident are you, JB, Tina, are you in the rule of law?
00:36:10.120Well, let me say that I've been pleased to see the decisions so far in these cases, and I'll give you an update before we're finished because I did just get an update.
00:36:23.160But I'll just tell you, I'm not very confident about what the Supreme Court will do.
00:36:31.280These are, as you know, a plurality of judges that were appointed by Donald Trump himself.
00:36:38.380So I'm concerned about what will happen at that level.
00:36:43.140But we have to rely on our courts at the moment.
00:36:46.640That really is the only place that we can go for justice.
00:37:15.940But, you know, look, I think we have to rely on our courts and believe in the law and the Constitution of the United States.
00:37:25.560It is working so far with regard to this federalization of troops and in a number of other instances.
00:37:33.920I don't agree with some of the court rulings so far in other cases around the Supreme Court, of course.
00:37:39.640But again, what we're focused on, I mean, the three of us, is making sure that we're able to get justice somewhere.
00:37:48.220Because we're not able to get it from a Congress that isn't doing any oversight.
00:37:52.580We're definitely not able to get it from a president who, in my mind, is suffering from dementia.
00:37:58.680And, you know, you don't know from one day to the next what he's going to decide or what power he's going to invoke that's never been invoked before and how the people around him, Tom Holman, Christy Holman, I mean, Christy Noem, Greg Bovino at CBP, how they're going to carry out things that he may not even know about because it does appear that he doesn't do any reading or studying or even questioning.
00:38:26.980But again, I'm focused on I think we can get justice in the courts.
00:38:31.860And Tina's example of the Trump-appointed judge ruling as she did, you know, is, I think, a good sign.
00:38:40.520You know, it's interesting, I don't want to fall prey to the president's state of mind, but not lost on me, just in terms of the way you framed it and how much Donald Trump cares about truth, building trust, facts, and is interested in lifelong learning.
00:38:59.720He was asked today about habeas corpus and asked, said, who, who, habeas who, in relationship to what's happening in your backyard, Tina, president of the United States.
00:39:09.900And remember, this is why we fought the American Revolution, right?
00:44:11.280Michael Myers vs. the alien thing with the little tongue monster.
00:44:14.120October, we're doing it Halloween style.
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00:44:19.800On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:44:26.020In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.
00:44:35.820We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.
00:44:41.480But what they find is not what they expected.
00:44:43.900Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.
00:44:51.680They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years.
00:44:58.400Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them,
00:45:03.460the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.
00:45:08.340Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.
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00:45:20.660Are you both concerned about the president's willingness to openly discuss the Insurrection Act?
00:45:32.280Because one of the things that we have been blessed by here in the state of California are a number of lower court decisions,
00:45:42.560including Justice Breyer, on the question of posse comitatus.
00:45:47.840And the issue of posse comitatus, for those that don't know, is not a complicated one.
00:45:52.920It's fundamentally about not allowing the federal military to be used for domestic policing, period, full stop,
00:46:00.840unless the president invokes the Insurrection Act.
00:46:05.620So there's a scenario, is there not, where even if the courts adjudicate in favor of what we believe are these fundamental constitutional principles,
00:46:15.500the president himself can simply invoke the Insurrection Act.
00:46:18.840Is that a plausible outcome here, from your perspective, either of you?
00:47:16.520You know, the Customs and Border Patrol is not supposed to be utilized, in fact, by law, not allowed to be utilized anywhere other than within 100 miles of the border.
00:47:31.980I mean, there might be people who would like to move Illinois right now.
00:47:35.960But, you know, Canada is very far away from Chicago.
00:47:41.720They're claiming that Lake Michigan is the border.
00:47:45.340And so Oak Street Beach in Chicago is the border, apparently.
00:47:48.940So this is another issue where they're using civilian law enforcement, right, and even taking people out of FBI and DEA and ATF and moving them over to ICE for ICE duties and CBP.
00:48:07.040It was CBP that was marching around in uniforms with automatic weapons in downtown Chicago.
00:48:13.200That was CBP, Customs and Border Patrol, not ICE.
00:48:15.880So I'm just saying you don't need the military to do what he wants to do, militarize the cities.
00:48:22.780So that's, I think, even more frightening.
00:48:25.640I mean, we could maybe hold him back on the Insurrection Act, but he doesn't need it.
00:48:55.860People are seeing this country that we fought for 249 years, about to enjoy the 250th anniversary of the best of Roman Republic and Greek democracy.
00:49:05.260And we're seeing this remarkable moment of vandalism.
00:50:01.440I think what I take as an indicator of something important that's happening, though, is there are a lot of protests that are occurring that are not necessarily just at the ICE facility, but that are about what's happening to the country.
00:50:15.580And, yes, of course, there's going to be the No Kings rally on October 18th, which I think will be another indicator.
00:50:22.920But you know what's happening in the neighborhoods when ICE is coming in with their unmarked vehicles and wearing masks and, you know, attacking people's homes is their neighbors are coming out and yelling at the ICE.
00:50:38.420And people are angry, just like Tina said.
00:50:41.160People see it, and they're like, what is happening?
00:50:46.320And, I mean, U.S. citizens, people who are documented, and, yeah, people who are undocumented, but, by the way, have never broken a law in the United States.
00:51:29.760And then I think we've all got to remind people that, in the end, how we're going to solve for this is people have to show up and vote against it in 2026 in November.
00:51:40.580And I want to applaud the work both of you have done on Know Your Rights campaign, on providing legal support for those families that have illegally been torn apart because of some of these activities.
00:51:54.160And I also appreciate the clarity to which you both have communicated, that none of us are condensing violent criminals and we're not shielding violent criminal actors in any way, shape or form.
00:52:24.220Anything further you want to illuminate in terms of?
00:52:27.000It's the chip they implanted in my brain that's giving me the info.
00:52:31.920The judge seems to have enjoined the federalization, so we expect to see that in the oral decision that's going to be delivered tomorrow morning.
00:52:46.480So I think we'll know kind of the final full ruling by then.
00:52:51.300But I feel reasonably confident based upon what she was saying.
00:52:56.080My team is handing me a note even as we speak.
00:52:59.360Yeah, just to remind, I think, all of us that this is, first of all, it's a big victory for us to, you know, hold back the federalization of our National Guard.
00:53:11.520These people don't, by the way, they don't want to be called up.
00:53:14.000I mean, just like in California, they don't want to be called up standing against their own citizens who they've been protecting, who they rescue on a regular basis when there's a real disaster.
00:53:25.260And I don't think the Illinois National Guard wants to, and I don't think the Texas National Guard or the California want to come to Illinois to do that.
00:53:32.880They may not be from here, but, you know, they know that what they're doing isn't what they signed up to do.
00:53:37.920So I'm very pleased with, so far, with what we know about the judge's ruling.
00:53:42.380And I feel, you know, reasonably confident when we get to read it finally tomorrow morning, we're going to see a full TRO and no troops on the ground in Chicago.
00:53:55.260And also just, you know, not to slimmer how we opened as well.
00:54:00.280You know, these, for us, the National Guard, these are the folks that are out there during the fire, in the middle of the fire and during our recovery.
00:54:08.620I mean, the biggest problem we had, we had thousands of National Guard that were there protecting the residents of Los Angeles.
00:54:15.540And the biggest problem they had were the number of people coming up to get selfies with them, giving them food and water, and they were overwhelmed.
00:54:24.880These are firefighters and law enforcement officers that are quite literally being taken now off the street and been asked to mask up.
00:54:32.240And I think it's so important that we underscore what you just said, JB, that we're not at war with them, quite the contrary.
00:54:41.520And that's what's so abusive about what the President of the United States has done.
00:54:46.820But I want to just say this in closing.
00:54:48.880I want to thank you both for what you've done, the moral clarity to which you both have met this moment, how effectively you've communicated,
00:54:56.980how effectively you've galvanized the public to understand what's at stake.
00:55:02.140Thank you for the partnership in terms of the compare and contrast and the sharing of information with our legal teams and with our staff.
00:55:13.720It distills for me a sense of well-being.
00:55:17.680You know, there's an old adage, you want to go fast, go alone.
00:55:20.840And this is a time for us to partner, and it's a time for us to, I think, really raise the red flag of alarm about what's really going on in this country and what we're up against.
00:55:33.320Well, thank you, Gavin, and thank you, Tina.
00:55:35.940Both of you I've spoken with as we're going through what we're going through in Chicago.
00:55:41.560And I think we've each advised each other about ideas that we have.
00:55:46.300And you talk about speaking with moral clarity, Gavin.
00:55:50.160And I can't thank you enough for you having done that since early, before the, you know, the invasion of L.A. by those troops.
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00:58:47.640In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.
00:58:56.640I had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.
00:59:02.720Five, six white people pushed me in the car.