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00:02:42.520 In 2020, Donald Trump won roughly 41% of the vote

00:02:53.040 with young men.

00:02:54.320 In 2024, he increased that share to 56%.

00:02:58.280 What's happening with young men in this country?

00:03:01.220 What's happening with the trend lines

00:03:02.840 that define some of the stresses and the anxieties

00:03:05.320 that so many young men are facing in America today?

00:03:09.000 Today, this is Gavin Newsom.

00:03:12.100 And this is Scott Galloway.

00:03:15.560 Well, Scott, thanks so much for taking the time

00:03:18.080 and joining us on the podcast.

00:03:20.820 And there's so many things I want to talk about

00:03:22.700 from higher education to, you know,

00:03:24.740 a little bit touch on housing,

00:03:26.280 issues of inequality,

00:03:27.400 a lot of the work that you've been doing.

00:03:29.180 Talk about some of the trend lines,

00:03:30.720 particularly as it relates to young men.

00:03:32.740 But there's a lot of attention now being placed

00:03:36.600 once again on tech titans,

00:03:40.200 notably Mark Zuckerberg,

00:03:41.660 who you once described lovingly

00:03:43.480 as the most dangerous man in the world,

00:03:45.520 who is now testifying in an antitrust suit.

00:03:51.540 He'll be joined in a number of months

00:03:54.100 by a number of other companies.

00:03:56.240 I think there are five lawsuits, the FTC.

00:03:58.660 But Mark is up there.

00:03:59.820 One of the perhaps the most consequential

00:04:01.820 in decades antitrust discussions

00:04:05.900 related to WhatsApp and Instagram.

00:04:07.800 Just curious, you're over under.

00:04:09.760 What do you make of this moment?

00:04:10.840 What do you make of Zuckerberg's outreach

00:04:12.840 to the Trump administration

00:04:13.820 to try to get this thing off the docket?

00:04:16.380 The fact they didn't move on it.

00:04:18.320 What does it mean to you

00:04:19.680 from a political perspective,

00:04:21.320 not just from a substantive perspective

00:04:23.680 in terms of the future of tech?

00:04:25.380 First, I think you have to give Mark Zuckerberg as to.

00:04:27.340 I think he's one of the most brilliant business people

00:04:28.980 of the last 50 years.

00:04:31.180 I also think there's few people

00:04:32.260 that have done more damage

00:04:33.460 while making more money than Mark Zuckerberg.

00:04:35.880 The coarseness of our discourse,

00:04:38.820 teen depression.

00:04:40.600 If any company could reverse engineer their product

00:04:43.000 to an uptick in self-harm among teen girls,

00:04:46.100 that company would be put out of business.

00:04:49.140 And as it relates to antitrust,

00:04:53.240 the concentration of power,

00:04:54.820 power corrupts absolute power,

00:04:56.160 absolutely corrupts.

00:04:57.820 And we have one company

00:04:59.160 that controls 50% of e-commerce,

00:05:01.380 Amazon,

00:05:01.980 one company controls 90% of search,

00:05:04.600 Google,

00:05:05.060 and one company owns two-thirds of social media globally

00:05:07.520 with the exception of China.

00:05:09.800 Two out of three people

00:05:10.780 are on a meta platform every day.

00:05:13.300 And unfortunately,

00:05:14.460 I'm in the field of brand strategy.

00:05:16.020 I taught that.

00:05:16.620 I studied that at Berkeley,

00:05:17.540 teach at NYU.

00:05:18.380 From 1945 to 1995,

00:05:20.700 we thought we discovered the ultimate sell

00:05:22.600 or selling tool,

00:05:24.100 and that was its sex sells.

00:05:25.540 Tell people to be hotter

00:05:26.800 and play volleyball

00:05:28.380 and be more attractive to potential mates

00:05:29.920 if they buy a Maserati

00:05:31.220 or drink Coors Light.

00:05:32.940 But these algorithms figured out with Google

00:05:35.220 that there's something that sells

00:05:36.600 even more than sex,

00:05:37.480 and that's rage.

00:05:38.840 And that is,

00:05:39.320 if you bring on somebody

00:05:40.620 who says an mRNA vaccine alters your DNA,

00:05:44.460 that person, in my view,

00:05:45.920 deserves the right to say that.

00:05:47.200 The dissenter's voice is important.

00:05:48.920 But what these algorithms have figured out

00:05:50.720 is that if we elevate that content

00:05:52.640 beyond its natural organic reach,

00:05:54.900 it creates enragement

00:05:56.500 because people will weigh in and go,

00:05:57.780 that's nonsense,

00:05:58.540 and that's not true,

00:05:59.280 and you're going to result,

00:06:00.500 you're going to see a surge in measles and rubella.

00:06:02.780 And then people weigh back in,

00:06:04.340 and every comment,

00:06:06.740 enragement equals engagement,

00:06:08.040 equals more Nissan ads,

00:06:09.200 equals more shareholder value.

00:06:11.180 And so, unfortunately,

00:06:12.200 the deepest pocketed companies in the world

00:06:13.680 are trying to enrage us

00:06:15.040 or addict us,

00:06:16.860 get us addicted to our phones

00:06:18.120 such that they can then hand us over

00:06:19.820 dopamine addicts

00:06:21.060 to the pharmaceutical

00:06:22.520 and medical industrial complex.

00:06:24.260 Now, how do you address that?

00:06:25.800 We need more laws.

00:06:26.860 We need to remove 230

00:06:27.760 for algorithmically elevated content.

00:06:30.660 We need age gating.

00:06:31.740 There's no reason anyone under the age of 16

00:06:33.380 should be on Instagram.

00:06:35.420 But also, the more boring stuff,

00:06:37.300 we need to break up these companies.

00:06:38.600 And in a breakup,

00:06:40.200 it almost always works economically.

00:06:41.800 It works for shareholders.

00:06:43.080 The seven baby bills

00:06:44.300 that AT&T was broken up into

00:06:45.720 are all worth more than AT&T

00:06:47.140 within seven years.

00:06:48.660 PayPal is worth monstrously more

00:06:50.500 than the original eBay.

00:06:53.840 Breakups are very accretive to the economy.

00:06:56.340 They're good for employees

00:06:57.440 because they get to charge more

00:06:58.600 to rent their labor.

00:07:00.280 If you want to be in social media

00:07:02.380 and you're a hotshot engineer,

00:07:03.620 how many companies are really bidding

00:07:04.920 on your talent?

00:07:06.900 I would argue Snap and Pinterest

00:07:08.160 that Facebook could put them out of business,

00:07:10.020 but they don't

00:07:10.620 just to pretend they have competition.

00:07:12.640 They could put them out of business,

00:07:13.680 I think, in 90 days

00:07:14.440 if they targeted their sites on them.

00:07:16.800 Shareholders win.

00:07:17.600 Consumers win.

00:07:18.540 And what happens

00:07:19.060 at this level of concentration

00:07:20.140 is rents go up.

00:07:21.860 And unfortunately,

00:07:22.580 these companies have non-economic rents.

00:07:24.420 And that is,

00:07:24.840 it's hard to determine the pricing

00:07:26.360 on a product that's free.

00:07:28.280 But what I would argue

00:07:29.100 is one of the greatest increase

00:07:30.300 in rents in history

00:07:31.460 is the rents,

00:07:32.500 the increase in rents

00:07:33.340 that parents are paying

00:07:34.280 at the hands of an organization

00:07:36.500 that really doesn't have

00:07:37.440 your kids' welfare

00:07:38.120 and best interests.

00:07:39.000 I know you have kids,

00:07:39.860 I have kids.

00:07:40.780 I would say

00:07:41.540 between 40 and 60%

00:07:44.380 of all real tension

00:07:45.640 or agita in my house,

00:07:47.080 not only between my kids,

00:07:48.120 but between my kids

00:07:49.060 and their mother,

00:07:50.220 is around the phone

00:07:51.380 and social media.

00:07:52.440 So look at the rents

00:07:53.380 we're paying here.

00:07:55.000 I'm cynical

00:07:55.540 anything's going to happen.

00:07:56.580 They've been much more masterful

00:07:57.860 than our government

00:07:58.540 at figuring out a way

00:08:00.000 to avoid overregulation.

00:08:01.440 Did you,

00:08:01.740 were you surprised,

00:08:02.520 I mean,

00:08:02.840 with all the outreach,

00:08:03.980 particularly for META,

00:08:04.760 but I mean,

00:08:05.040 all these guys,

00:08:05.940 you know,

00:08:06.080 not just being there

00:08:06.880 at the inaugural for Trump,

00:08:08.460 but obviously more outreach

00:08:10.100 in the Oval

00:08:10.960 that you surprised Trump

00:08:13.080 didn't intervene

00:08:13.860 a little more aggressively

00:08:14.740 with the quote unquote

00:08:15.600 new FTC

00:08:16.740 and then went to trial?

00:08:18.520 I'm convinced,

00:08:19.280 Governor,

00:08:19.580 that 498

00:08:21.040 of the 500 Fortune 500 CEOs

00:08:23.520 wake up every morning

00:08:24.360 and say,

00:08:24.980 good morning,

00:08:25.600 Mr. President.

00:08:26.280 I think all of these guys

00:08:27.140 think there's a non-zero probability

00:08:28.460 that they're going to be drafted

00:08:29.100 to be president.

00:08:30.500 And the key attribute

00:08:31.600 to be president's leadership

00:08:33.560 and I think of leadership,

00:08:34.500 we teach leadership

00:08:35.260 at business school

00:08:36.000 and I can summarize

00:08:36.640 the entire course

00:08:37.480 with the following,

00:08:38.080 do the right thing

00:08:38.700 even when it's really hard.

00:08:40.420 But we want to charge them

00:08:41.580 7,000 bucks

00:08:42.380 so we can hire

00:08:43.740 formerly important people

00:08:44.840 and in my opinion,

00:08:46.320 we shouldn't have

00:08:46.840 leadership or ethics classes,

00:08:48.060 but that's an entirely

00:08:48.800 different talk show.

00:08:51.120 How many corporate CEOs

00:08:52.300 are really stepping up here

00:08:53.500 and saying,

00:08:54.540 the greatest own goal

00:08:55.340 in history

00:08:55.860 are these tariffs

00:08:56.520 and they make no sense?

00:08:57.400 There's been such a lack

00:08:58.620 of leadership

00:08:59.400 from these CEOs

00:09:01.740 stepping up.

00:09:03.120 The FDC and the DOJ

00:09:04.520 I would argue

00:09:05.520 have been neutered.

00:09:07.440 Jonathan Cantor

00:09:08.140 I just interviewed

00:09:08.720 said that I'm not giving

00:09:10.540 the current officials

00:09:11.780 at the DOJ

00:09:12.440 enough credit

00:09:13.000 that they will break them up

00:09:13.920 and that Trump

00:09:14.420 has been kind of

00:09:15.380 a little bit

00:09:16.740 all over the map on this.

00:09:18.000 He didn't like TikTok

00:09:19.500 until he found out

00:09:20.620 and then I think

00:09:21.720 the CCP dialed up

00:09:22.680 the algorithm

00:09:23.240 in his favor

00:09:23.960 so he decided

00:09:24.660 he liked it

00:09:25.300 then he found out

00:09:25.980 that Jeffrey S

00:09:26.840 is a large shareholder

00:09:28.260 who gave him

00:09:28.860 $220 million

00:09:30.200 and what do you know

00:09:31.100 he no longer

00:09:31.660 wants to ban it.

00:09:33.660 So I don't

00:09:34.380 I find unfortunately

00:09:35.840 our government

00:09:36.580 has become at this point

00:09:37.740 especially this administration

00:09:38.820 and I think Democrats

00:09:39.680 have been guilty of this

00:09:40.720 but just in a small ball

00:09:41.920 kind of way

00:09:42.480 or a more elegant way

00:09:44.020 I think it's just

00:09:45.180 pure pay for play

00:09:46.080 and whether it's Apple

00:09:47.800 which gives a million bucks

00:09:48.980 to the inaugural committee

00:09:50.220 and it has a cult

00:09:51.920 of iOS users

00:09:53.020 that he does not

00:09:54.140 want to piss off

00:09:54.920 you know

00:09:55.780 you just saw

00:09:56.180 tariff relief

00:09:56.980 for Apple

00:09:58.220 meanwhile 98%

00:09:59.320 of companies

00:09:59.900 dependent upon

00:10:00.620 the export and import

00:10:01.440 economy

00:10:01.820 are small and medium

00:10:02.460 sized businesses

00:10:03.220 so what do they do

00:10:04.460 it's you know

00:10:05.580 it's great to be Apple

00:10:06.460 but what do you do

00:10:07.800 if you don't have

00:10:08.720 if you're not

00:10:09.120 the largest market cap

00:10:10.040 company in the world

00:10:10.760 and you're just

00:10:11.380 a company selling

00:10:12.260 pots and pans

00:10:13.200 importing from China

00:10:14.180 and you have

00:10:15.680 I talked to a

00:10:16.620 homeware retailer

00:10:17.960 over the weekend

00:10:18.760 $100 million

00:10:19.380 in product

00:10:20.320 on a ship

00:10:21.100 on ships

00:10:21.840 that are going to

00:10:22.680 have to be offloaded

00:10:23.380 at the port of Long Beach

00:10:24.080 over the course

00:10:24.520 of the next three weeks

00:10:25.240 this person has to show up

00:10:27.440 with another

00:10:27.920 $145 million

00:10:29.000 in tariffs

00:10:29.940 to get this stuff

00:10:30.660 off the boat

00:10:31.240 in addition

00:10:32.420 he's going to have

00:10:33.020 to send down

00:10:33.580 hundreds of people

00:10:34.260 to re-tag and re-label

00:10:35.360 because now labels

00:10:36.120 and pricing

00:10:36.660 are attached

00:10:37.060 to the factory

00:10:37.600 in China

00:10:38.120 and he doesn't

00:10:39.280 know how to plan

00:10:39.640 his business

00:10:40.020 so he's stopping hiring

00:10:41.640 he's not recruiting

00:10:42.440 at universities

00:10:43.080 he doesn't

00:10:44.380 his earnings calls

00:10:45.300 are going to be

00:10:45.940 a mess

00:10:46.780 so what do we have

00:10:47.960 a reduction in hiring

00:10:48.940 a reduction

00:10:50.260 in prosperity

00:10:51.760 with increased

00:10:52.800 consumer prices

00:10:53.720 and a brand

00:10:55.300 that is America

00:10:56.200 now of toxic

00:10:56.960 uncertainty

00:10:57.580 where we're seeing

00:10:58.820 people selling

00:10:59.400 our bonds

00:11:00.020 where people

00:11:00.500 divesting from

00:11:01.620 our stocks

00:11:02.260 but I'm

00:11:03.720 very disappointed

00:11:04.720 that a lot

00:11:05.360 of what I think

00:11:05.920 great leaders

00:11:06.700 in the corporate world

00:11:07.420 aren't stepping up

00:11:08.260 and calling this

00:11:08.900 for what it is

00:11:09.960 and that is a

00:11:10.620 totally self-inflicted

00:11:11.840 entry

00:11:12.140 probably the greatest

00:11:13.240 own goal

00:11:14.220 since our entry

00:11:14.980 into Iraq

00:11:15.740 but Scott

00:11:16.660 I mean

00:11:16.920 they're not doing it

00:11:17.740 for obvious reasons

00:11:18.960 right

00:11:19.200 just pure

00:11:19.860 self-interest

00:11:21.500 right

00:11:22.000 and would you argue

00:11:23.300 fiduciary interest

00:11:24.340 on behalf of the

00:11:24.960 shareholders

00:11:25.320 I mean

00:11:25.720 what

00:11:26.320 you know

00:11:27.120 I'm with you

00:11:28.680 a thousand percent

00:11:29.480 but in a world

00:11:30.920 that we're living in

00:11:32.300 I mean

00:11:32.520 is it surprising

00:11:33.560 or is it just

00:11:34.380 outraging

00:11:34.920 I think you bring up

00:11:36.880 the correct point

00:11:37.620 and that is

00:11:38.340 the smart thing

00:11:40.280 to do from a

00:11:40.780 shareholder perspective

00:11:41.580 I mean

00:11:42.780 the thing that

00:11:43.120 disappoints me

00:11:44.000 governor

00:11:44.620 present company

00:11:45.200 excluded

00:11:46.040 it's not that

00:11:46.820 our government

00:11:48.580 officials

00:11:49.000 and I'm going to be

00:11:49.440 provocative here

00:11:50.060 because you've had

00:11:50.460 a lot of right-wing

00:11:50.980 people

00:11:51.240 it's not that

00:11:51.780 our government

00:11:52.240 our elected

00:11:52.600 representatives

00:11:53.080 in DC

00:11:53.460 are whores

00:11:54.340 it's that

00:11:54.720 they're such

00:11:55.080 cheap whores

00:11:55.800 and that is

00:11:57.040 it's the best ROI

00:11:58.460 is to give a million

00:11:59.560 dollars to the inaugural

00:12:00.480 committee

00:12:00.980 and stay up

00:12:01.740 for the crosshairs

00:12:02.600 so cheap

00:12:03.440 so

00:12:03.700 when you're running

00:12:04.920 a three trillion

00:12:05.540 dollar market cap

00:12:06.300 company

00:12:06.720 why on earth

00:12:07.500 wouldn't you just

00:12:08.060 grin and bear it

00:12:09.300 and text

00:12:10.520 me and my co-host

00:12:12.500 that I hate being here

00:12:13.700 but meanwhile

00:12:14.120 they show up

00:12:14.880 they prostitute

00:12:15.560 themselves

00:12:15.920 they get paraded

00:12:16.660 around

00:12:17.020 because if you're

00:12:18.160 solely focused

00:12:18.900 on shareholder value

00:12:19.880 I get it

00:12:20.960 they're just being

00:12:21.660 fiduciaries of the share

00:12:22.500 stay out of his

00:12:23.060 crosshairs

00:12:23.580 bend the knee

00:12:24.280 if you're a law firm

00:12:25.080 refusing to take

00:12:26.060 clients of his

00:12:27.260 adversaries

00:12:27.820 which is literally

00:12:28.740 an attack on our

00:12:29.480 constitution

00:12:30.140 fine

00:12:30.680 I get it

00:12:31.500 but for god's sakes

00:12:32.620 let's give up

00:12:33.440 the charade

00:12:34.120 about stakeholders

00:12:35.080 I've been on a bunch

00:12:36.040 of corporate boards

00:12:36.980 and everyone's always

00:12:38.380 talking about

00:12:39.120 stakeholders

00:12:39.980 I'm like okay

00:12:40.500 let's stop it

00:12:41.460 in sum

00:12:42.080 what you should expect

00:12:43.760 or not expect

00:12:44.800 the American

00:12:46.260 corporation

00:12:46.820 is better

00:12:47.260 making money

00:12:47.820 than any

00:12:48.160 corporation

00:12:48.640 in the world

00:12:49.080 and therefore

00:12:49.700 should not be

00:12:50.280 trusted to do

00:12:50.920 anything else

00:12:51.620 we need laws

00:12:52.600 and we keep

00:12:53.720 hoping that if we

00:12:54.400 shame Mark Zuckerberg

00:12:55.480 and talk about

00:12:56.260 all these kids

00:12:56.900 self-harming

00:12:58.140 and all the

00:12:58.580 damage he's doing

00:12:59.260 that his better

00:12:59.800 angels are going

00:13:00.280 to show up

00:13:00.680 that's just not

00:13:01.300 going to happen

00:13:01.780 the incentives

00:13:02.340 in America

00:13:02.960 are the following

00:13:03.640 to be rich in

00:13:05.000 America

00:13:05.320 is to be loved

00:13:06.040 it's a loving

00:13:06.720 generous place

00:13:07.400 if you have

00:13:07.740 money

00:13:08.020 it's a rapacious

00:13:08.840 violent place

00:13:09.600 if you don't

00:13:10.180 so many

00:13:11.240 incentives

00:13:11.880 are to do

00:13:13.300 whatever incremental

00:13:14.260 decisions you

00:13:14.980 have to make

00:13:15.740 to make more

00:13:16.380 money

00:13:16.720 that unless we

00:13:17.880 have systemic

00:13:18.740 laws that say

00:13:20.340 if you algorithmically

00:13:21.960 elevated content

00:13:22.880 that shows a

00:13:24.220 14 year old girl

00:13:25.440 images on

00:13:27.300 on suicide

00:13:28.700 pills

00:13:29.620 nooses

00:13:30.200 razors

00:13:32.020 and this happened

00:13:32.800 because the

00:13:33.840 algorithms pick up

00:13:34.780 she's having

00:13:35.120 suicidal ideation

00:13:36.180 unless we put

00:13:37.480 someone in jail

00:13:38.320 or we fine

00:13:39.080 them $5.50

00:13:40.220 billion

00:13:40.520 not $5 billion

00:13:41.680 they're going

00:13:42.700 to continue

00:13:43.180 to do this

00:13:43.780 right now

00:13:44.280 the incentives

00:13:45.080 are the following

00:13:45.840 if you had

00:13:47.080 a parking meter

00:13:47.680 in front of your

00:13:48.120 house that

00:13:48.620 costs $100

00:13:49.300 an hour

00:13:50.060 but the ticket

00:13:50.700 was 25 cents

00:13:51.680 you'd break

00:13:52.100 the law

00:13:52.580 and that's

00:13:53.620 essentially

00:13:54.180 the incentive

00:13:54.680 system we have

00:13:55.440 around big tech

00:13:56.240 right now

00:13:56.700 but for god's

00:13:57.320 sake

00:13:57.480 stop

00:13:57.820 the CEO

00:13:58.940 should stop

00:13:59.360 with this BS

00:13:59.900 around stakeholders

00:14:00.840 they're there

00:14:01.300 for shareholders

00:14:01.940 to admit it

00:14:02.640 and we can

00:14:03.280 just get on

00:14:03.880 with figuring

00:14:04.360 out

00:14:04.720 we need laws

00:14:06.040 not to shame

00:14:07.340 them in front

00:14:08.060 of the populace

00:14:09.540 for a tiktok

00:14:10.140 moment so you

00:14:10.760 can raise more

00:14:11.360 money as an

00:14:11.840 elected representative

00:14:12.620 and then the

00:14:13.400 wheel turns

00:14:14.080 if you will

00:14:14.620 appreciate it

00:14:16.020 now tiktok

00:14:16.640 i mean you're

00:14:17.080 you're just

00:14:17.540 i mean you

00:14:18.020 are firmly

00:14:18.680 in the camp

00:14:19.520 that they need

00:14:20.540 to be banned

00:14:21.080 in the united

00:14:21.840 states

00:14:22.340 is that right

00:14:23.420 well okay

00:14:24.800 so october 7th

00:14:26.420 happens

00:14:26.900 since then

00:14:27.940 there's been

00:14:28.380 52 pro

00:14:29.640 hamas videos

00:14:30.320 for every pro

00:14:30.920 israel video

00:14:31.540 and i recognize

00:14:32.420 that young people

00:14:33.180 have a healthy

00:14:33.800 distrust of

00:14:34.640 people my age

00:14:35.780 and are maybe

00:14:36.420 more progressive

00:14:37.620 and have a lot

00:14:38.380 of warranted

00:14:38.980 empathy for the

00:14:39.820 people in gaza

00:14:40.640 but 52 to 1

00:14:42.160 we spend

00:14:43.800 hundreds of

00:14:44.440 millions of

00:14:44.800 dollars on

00:14:45.500 psyops to

00:14:46.360 support our

00:14:47.240 message overseas

00:14:48.140 with what you

00:14:49.480 would call

00:14:49.900 radio europe

00:14:51.040 or you know

00:14:52.220 air america

00:14:52.940 whatever it

00:14:53.420 might be

00:14:53.840 that's propaganda

00:14:54.820 tiktok now

00:14:56.960 has greater

00:14:57.500 dominance in

00:14:58.200 terms of time

00:14:58.880 the average

00:14:59.220 14 year old

00:14:59.840 male in america

00:15:00.560 spends 17

00:15:01.260 hours a week

00:15:01.940 on tiktok

00:15:02.760 meaning that

00:15:03.500 if you include

00:15:04.220 sleep they're

00:15:04.720 spending a full

00:15:05.300 day a week

00:15:05.740 on tiktok

00:15:06.380 they have a

00:15:06.860 greater command

00:15:07.640 of attention

00:15:08.180 among people

00:15:08.860 under the age

00:15:09.340 of 25

00:15:09.920 than cbs

00:15:11.340 nbc and

00:15:12.020 abc had

00:15:12.720 in the 60s

00:15:13.440 would we

00:15:13.860 have been

00:15:14.260 down in

00:15:15.360 the 60s

00:15:16.020 with the

00:15:16.300 kremlin

00:15:16.640 owning those

00:15:17.360 three networks

00:15:18.040 and the

00:15:20.380 argument i would

00:15:20.940 make governor

00:15:21.420 is they would

00:15:22.020 be stupid

00:15:22.800 not to be

00:15:23.580 doing this

00:15:24.320 they can't

00:15:25.360 beat us

00:15:25.620 militarily

00:15:26.200 they can't

00:15:26.780 beat us

00:15:27.000 kinetically

00:15:27.400 they can't

00:15:27.860 beat us

00:15:28.080 economically

00:15:28.660 i know

00:15:29.460 let's get

00:15:29.920 them to

00:15:30.240 hate each

00:15:30.720 other

00:15:31.000 and i

00:15:31.940 think that's

00:15:32.320 what we're

00:15:32.660 doing so

00:15:33.180 we're raising

00:15:33.680 a generation

00:15:34.340 of civic

00:15:34.920 non-profit

00:15:35.540 and military

00:15:37.080 leaders

00:15:37.540 that just

00:15:38.740 don't like

00:15:39.500 each other

00:15:39.880 they don't

00:15:40.140 like america

00:15:40.920 half half

00:15:41.900 the people

00:15:42.360 our age

00:15:43.000 governor

00:15:43.400 feel good

00:15:44.240 about america

00:15:44.920 it's one

00:15:45.520 in ten

00:15:46.060 young people

00:15:46.860 so we

00:15:49.000 weren't

00:15:49.260 comfortable

00:15:49.560 with having

00:15:49.940 missiles

00:15:50.240 pointed at

00:15:51.140 us 60

00:15:51.620 miles off

00:15:52.080 our shore

00:15:52.500 in cuba

00:15:53.140 i don't

00:15:53.680 understand

00:15:54.100 why we

00:15:54.720 would have

00:15:55.120 a neural

00:15:56.300 jack

00:15:56.760 implanted

00:15:57.220 to all

00:15:57.560 of our

00:15:57.840 use

00:15:58.060 wet

00:15:58.400 matter

00:15:58.780 controlled

00:15:59.240 by the

00:15:59.640 ccp

00:16:00.200 that has

00:16:00.580 a strategic

00:16:01.120 imperative

00:16:01.920 and diminishing

00:16:02.720 our power

00:16:03.420 i think it's

00:16:04.080 insane

00:16:04.760 that we

00:16:05.860 would allow

00:16:06.480 tiktok

00:16:07.440 into the

00:16:07.860 united states

00:16:08.560 and as a

00:16:09.540 point you

00:16:10.140 make often

00:16:10.900 is uh

00:16:11.580 name how

00:16:12.460 many american

00:16:13.340 tech companies

00:16:14.080 are operating

00:16:14.640 in mainland

00:16:15.140 china

00:16:15.580 well we

00:16:16.360 just to

00:16:16.880 the

00:16:17.060 talking about

00:16:17.940 tariffs

00:16:18.260 tariffs can

00:16:18.840 be used

00:16:19.280 tariffs do

00:16:19.700 play a

00:16:20.040 role

00:16:20.320 and that

00:16:20.900 is you

00:16:21.280 can protect

00:16:21.740 nascent

00:16:22.100 industries

00:16:22.660 south korea

00:16:23.660 has done a

00:16:23.960 good job

00:16:24.340 thoughtfully

00:16:24.900 protecting

00:16:25.740 some industries

00:16:26.260 there

00:16:26.660 if if

00:16:28.100 we feel

00:16:28.640 we need

00:16:28.880 a certain

00:16:29.140 level

00:16:29.340 of domestic

00:16:29.720 steel

00:16:30.020 production

00:16:30.400 in case

00:16:30.740 we have

00:16:30.960 a war

00:16:31.220 and need

00:16:31.440 to build

00:16:31.700 tanks

00:16:32.120 maybe make

00:16:32.760 some sense

00:16:33.180 to have

00:16:33.380 tariffs

00:16:33.680 there

00:16:34.020 when you

00:16:34.900 have

00:16:35.060 leverage

00:16:35.580 we had

00:16:36.500 leverage

00:16:36.820 in the

00:16:37.200 truck

00:16:37.780 market

00:16:38.160 we impose

00:16:38.740 a 25

00:16:39.180 percent

00:16:39.540 tariff

00:16:39.880 on japan

00:16:40.420 they impose

00:16:40.940 zero percent

00:16:41.580 so they

00:16:42.320 can be used

00:16:42.780 strategically

00:16:43.380 and thoughtfully

00:16:44.120 and one

00:16:45.100 type of

00:16:45.540 tariff

00:16:45.880 to restore

00:16:46.460 trade

00:16:46.760 asymmetry

00:16:47.280 is to

00:16:47.620 say if

00:16:47.920 you're

00:16:48.040 not going

00:16:48.300 to allow

00:16:48.560 a single

00:16:49.020 american

00:16:49.400 media

00:16:49.680 company

00:16:50.040 in

00:16:50.160 mainland

00:16:50.480 china

00:16:50.920 it would

00:16:51.840 make sense

00:16:52.260 we're not

00:16:52.580 going to

00:16:52.740 allow

00:16:52.920 any

00:16:53.120 of

00:16:53.280 yours

00:16:53.700 but

00:16:54.580 we do

00:16:55.200 for some

00:16:55.700 reason

00:16:56.060 because

00:16:56.580 again

00:16:57.040 general

00:16:58.000 atlantic

00:16:58.220 partners

00:16:58.580 sequoia

00:16:58.960 capital

00:16:59.260 there are

00:16:59.480 a lot

00:16:59.600 of american

00:17:00.040 investors

00:17:00.540 that are

00:17:00.820 investors

00:17:01.160 in tiktok

00:17:01.960 but i

00:17:02.980 just think

00:17:03.420 this is

00:17:03.960 i think

00:17:04.840 americans

00:17:05.720 core

00:17:06.460 competence

00:17:07.660 or one

00:17:07.960 of our

00:17:08.160 key

00:17:08.300 attributes

00:17:08.640 is our

00:17:08.920 optimism

00:17:09.420 but the

00:17:10.340 achilles heel

00:17:11.020 of that

00:17:11.500 is i think

00:17:12.280 we're a little

00:17:12.600 bit naive

00:17:13.140 and it

00:17:14.360 bothered me

00:17:14.740 that the

00:17:15.020 biden

00:17:15.200 administration

00:17:15.780 no one

00:17:16.100 was allowed

00:17:16.420 to be

00:17:16.640 on tiktok

00:17:17.180 for security

00:17:17.800 reasons

00:17:18.140 because i

00:17:18.440 don't think

00:17:18.760 they realize

00:17:19.220 what's going

00:17:19.740 on here

00:17:20.340 and you

00:17:21.580 don't

00:17:22.140 i mean

00:17:22.900 i'm

00:17:23.160 i apologize

00:17:24.000 for being a

00:17:24.360 little bit

00:17:24.600 all over

00:17:24.960 the place

00:17:25.300 but have

00:17:25.700 you seen

00:17:25.980 the program

00:17:26.380 adolescence

00:17:27.080 governor

00:17:27.420 i didn't

00:17:28.340 have the

00:17:28.620 guts

00:17:28.860 i started

00:17:29.440 i kid

00:17:30.060 you not

00:17:30.380 as a

00:17:30.700 parent

00:17:30.940 i couldn't

00:17:31.340 do it

00:17:31.680 i couldn't

00:17:32.480 do it

00:17:32.780 my wife

00:17:33.540 watched it

00:17:34.100 she said

00:17:34.600 i'm glad

00:17:34.940 you i'm glad

00:17:35.720 you missed

00:17:36.140 it even

00:17:36.720 though she

00:17:37.000 says you're

00:17:37.420 going to

00:17:37.780 watch it

00:17:38.180 with me

00:17:38.600 it has

00:17:39.280 to be

00:17:39.560 seen

00:17:39.820 apparently

00:17:40.500 it was

00:17:40.840 apparently

00:17:41.540 powerful

00:17:42.040 beyond words

00:17:42.720 yeah it's

00:17:44.480 funny you say

00:17:44.880 that i

00:17:45.300 i found

00:17:46.000 i did watch

00:17:46.940 it uh

00:17:47.520 because it's

00:17:48.020 i i think a lot

00:17:49.020 about these

00:17:49.380 issues i found

00:17:50.140 i had to have

00:17:50.540 a drink

00:17:50.880 before i

00:17:51.300 watch it

00:17:51.640 it was so

00:17:52.040 rattling

00:17:52.500 yeah and

00:17:53.480 the question

00:17:54.000 it augers

00:17:55.260 is who's

00:17:56.300 raising our

00:17:56.740 kids

00:17:57.020 yeah and

00:17:58.360 are you

00:17:58.780 raising your

00:17:59.260 kids or is

00:18:00.060 the internet

00:18:00.420 raising your

00:18:00.940 kids and

00:18:01.240 if the internet

00:18:01.660 is raising

00:18:02.020 your kids

00:18:02.520 who is

00:18:02.980 raising them

00:18:03.560 and i'm

00:18:04.980 just not

00:18:05.380 down with

00:18:06.420 a ccp

00:18:07.180 controlled

00:18:07.700 algorithm

00:18:08.220 raising

00:18:08.800 american

00:18:09.200 children

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00:23:02.880 said to them do you think these

00:23:04.300 people are good americans it's got

00:23:06.240 heists tragedy a trial of the

00:23:08.820 century and the god damnedest love

00:23:11.020 story you've ever heard i picked up

00:23:13.820 the phone and my thought was this is

00:23:15.920 the most important phone call i'll

00:23:17.800 ever make in my life i couldn't

00:23:19.420 believe it i mean brendan it was

00:23:21.820 divine intervention listen to divine

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00:23:28.620 apple podcasts or wherever you get

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00:23:31.720 let me ask you this i mean in terms of

00:23:41.480 just

00:23:41.720 and we'll get to america's children

00:23:44.000 and i think it's interesting just you

00:23:46.580 so much of your work is not just about

00:23:48.400 headlines but it's about these trend

00:23:50.280 lines and you of course did that

00:23:52.700 wonderful book adrift that did it in

00:23:55.380 charts and you've been talking about

00:23:57.020 these broader issues and goes back to

00:23:58.980 my opening a little bit as it relates

00:24:00.220 to inequality and generational theft as

00:24:02.920 you've referred to it the issues of

00:24:04.600 housing costs

00:24:05.440 um but you have a you have sort of a

00:24:07.740 plan a flag uh in history here in

00:24:10.240 california you you grew up in los

00:24:12.780 angeles and um not only are you a

00:24:15.500 proud graduate of ucla we're a proud

00:24:17.700 beneficiary of your largesse and as

00:24:21.060 someone that's on the uc regions

00:24:22.620 thank you if you haven't been formally

00:24:24.640 thanked for your incredible personal

00:24:26.660 contributions to ucla and and to uc

00:24:29.600 berkeley uh you paid forward you paid

00:24:31.940 back 20 times x but i talk to me a

00:24:35.400 little bit about these trend lines you've

00:24:36.840 seen exacerbated perhaps by these

00:24:39.520 algorithms uh that have really led to

00:24:41.960 the headlines and the anxiety that

00:24:43.560 we're all experiencing today well thanks

00:24:46.520 for that that means a lot coming from

00:24:47.700 you look i was an unremarkable kid

00:24:50.020 and i'm not son of humblebragh i was

00:24:52.280 remarkably unremarkable i was raised by

00:24:53.780 a single immigrant mother who lived and

00:24:55.100 died a secretary household income was

00:24:56.720 ever never over 38 000 i applied to

00:24:59.940 ucla when the acceptance rate was 76

00:25:02.280 percent and i was one of the 24 that

00:25:04.640 didn't get in and i was installing

00:25:06.560 shelving and the highlight of my day as

00:25:08.180 i'd get ridiculously fucking high with

00:25:09.900 my co-workers and then take to the

00:25:11.320 highways of ontario california and i came

00:25:13.360 home and i just broke down with my mom

00:25:15.060 and i said is this my life and there's

00:25:18.780 nothing wrong with vocational work but

00:25:20.280 i'd i'd really hope to go to college

00:25:21.980 and we found out there was an appeal

00:25:23.880 process and i appealed and i remember

00:25:25.680 changed my life the guy the admissions

00:25:27.760 director called or guy mentioned

00:25:29.180 off to call and said you're not

00:25:31.080 qualified but you're a native son of

00:25:32.520 california and we're going to give you

00:25:34.160 a shot and i rewarded ucla with a 2.27

00:25:38.960 gpa undergraduate i did nothing but

00:25:40.960 learn how to make bongs out of household

00:25:42.920 items and watch planet of the apes

00:25:44.520 and what did berkeley do one of the top

00:25:47.440 10 business schools in the world they

00:25:48.920 led me into graduate school with a 2.27

00:25:50.800 gpa and i got my shit together my mom

00:25:54.700 got sick i just grew up like to think i

00:25:57.120 started becoming a man and it started

00:25:59.740 an upward spiral of prosperity and i've

00:26:02.560 been able to give back and the lesson

00:26:04.700 here is that no one can predict

00:26:05.820 greatness at the age of 18 in anybody

00:26:07.960 no institution and it's higher education

00:26:10.520 is my industry about identifying rich

00:26:13.000 kids are the freakishly remarkable and

00:26:14.780 turning them into billionaires or it's

00:26:17.000 about giving the bottom 90 a shot at

00:26:19.720 being in the top and we used to love

00:26:21.800 americans and i look back on the things

00:26:25.180 that that gave me just this unbelievable

00:26:28.760 american experience and some of them

00:26:30.960 don't exist today ucla's admissions rate

00:26:34.500 has gone from 76 percent to nine percent

00:26:36.600 they just they couldn't let me in they

00:26:38.260 didn't have the bandwidth it was not i

00:26:41.480 spent seven thousand dollars over seven

00:26:43.340 years undergrad and grad it's obviously

00:26:45.420 that's total tuition it's obviously a lot

00:26:47.160 more you know i talk about this very

00:26:49.300 openly there were also things today that

00:26:52.700 i think i would have succumbed to that

00:26:54.520 would have gotten away my prosperity my

00:26:57.260 mom when she was 47 when i was a senior in

00:26:59.220 high school became pregnant and uh had

00:27:02.620 access to to family planning had we lived

00:27:05.280 in a southern state given our income and

00:27:08.060 our lack of sophistication i would have

00:27:10.060 dropped out of school to help my mom and

00:27:12.680 i wouldn't have been able to go to

00:27:13.920 college uh quite frankly young men are

00:27:17.880 being targeted by the deepest pocketed

00:27:20.580 most talented organizations in the world

00:27:22.560 specifically big tech want to give them

00:27:25.360 the sense that they can have a reasonable

00:27:26.760 facsimile of life on a screen with an

00:27:28.760 algorithm why go out and try and make

00:27:30.880 friends when you have read it and discord

00:27:33.820 why go through the pain of putting on a

00:27:35.480 tie showing up on time not parting during

00:27:38.720 the week and get a real job when you can

00:27:41.640 trade stocks or crypto on coinbase or

00:27:44.040 robin hood which usually leads to disaster

00:27:46.500 why go through the humiliation the effort the

00:27:50.380 rejection showering for god's sates working

00:27:53.020 out having a plan showing resilience

00:27:55.240 approaching a stranger and expressing

00:27:57.400 romantic interest when you have porn the

00:28:00.960 scariest stat i've seen is that 51 percent

00:28:03.480 of american men age 18 to 24 have never

00:28:05.900 asked a woman out in person so i think the

00:28:08.900 america today scott by the way just because

00:28:11.960 i can't help it i got two young women behind

00:28:14.400 the camera literally both shook their head

00:28:17.180 when you said that oh really forgive me i

00:28:20.260 mean they literally and now they're laughing

00:28:21.860 but nervously i mean that's that that was

00:28:24.420 very powerful uh stat you just gave and it

00:28:27.860 was powerful their response well look i i think a

00:28:31.860 lot about masculinity in america and i the

00:28:34.520 reality is back in the 80s

00:28:37.580 uh you know america loved unremarkable

00:28:41.860 people

00:28:42.300 and it feels as if america has fallen out of

00:28:49.960 love with the unremarkable that the objective of

00:28:52.860 higher ed

00:28:53.520 in america is to try and identify a super

00:28:56.300 class and turn them into billionaires instead

00:28:58.340 of giving the

00:28:58.980 the bottom 99 a chance to be millionaires and

00:29:02.440 to find someone fall in love

00:29:04.120 have kids you know all the all the profound

00:29:06.960 shit right and i worry the young men who are

00:29:09.880 especially susceptible to these algorithms are

00:29:13.280 kind of losing they've lost a lot of on ramps into

00:29:15.520 the middle class

00:29:16.340 and we aren't producing enough economically and

00:29:20.200 emotionally viable men and who wants more economically and

00:29:23.280 emotionally viable men women

00:29:24.840 uh 30 60 percent of 30 year olds used to have a kid in the

00:29:29.760 household now it's 27 percent

00:29:31.580 i coach a lot of young men and i think between these algorithms the lack

00:29:35.920 of jobs quite frankly they're just not their prefrontal cortex isn't

00:29:40.900 developing they're less mature 70 percent of high school valedictorians

00:29:44.000 are girls women own more homes in single women than men now in urban

00:29:49.420 centers under the age of 30 women are making more money and by the way

00:29:52.080 that is a collective victory they deserve it they're working harder they're

00:29:56.860 studying harder they got their shit together they deserve more money

00:29:59.920 the problem is is that without women to have an honest conversation around

00:30:06.100 household formation and mating we have to have an honest conversation and that

00:30:09.340 is women tend to mate

00:30:10.560 socioeconomically horizontally and up men horizontally and down

00:30:14.020 and so when the pool the viable pool of male mates

00:30:17.980 that's horizontal and up keeps shrinking

00:30:19.980 there's a lack of household formation

00:30:22.340 and

00:30:23.620 what's interesting is that women without a relationship

00:30:27.320 oftentimes pour that additional energy into their friend network and into

00:30:31.260 work

00:30:31.660 when men under the age of 30 don't have a relationship they oftentimes pour that

00:30:35.800 energy into video games

00:30:37.080 porn and sequestering from society conspiracy theory

00:30:40.840 they start blaming women for their problems they become much more prone to

00:30:44.540 misogynistic content they start blaming immigrants

00:30:47.220 for their lack of economic viability they become

00:30:50.620 very nationalist and some they turn into really shitty citizens

00:30:54.060 and if a man doesn't have a relationship by the time if he's never cohabitated or

00:30:58.920 been married by the time he's 30

00:31:00.340 there's a one in three chance he's going to be a substance abuser and some

00:31:04.440 women used to need relationships for financial support they no longer need it

00:31:08.760 men have always needed relationships for emotional support

00:31:11.860 and without that emotional support they kind of come off the tracks and i'm not

00:31:16.460 suggesting in any way women lower their standards what i'm suggesting is

00:31:20.140 men need to level up and we also need to recognize that unless we give more money

00:31:25.180 to young people who are 24 less wealthier than they were 40 years ago

00:31:28.900 and old people are 72 wealthier unless we level up all young people

00:31:34.180 and create more opportunities for people to meet

00:31:37.160 to fall in love and to do what i think is the most profoundly rewarding thing

00:31:40.940 and that is raise children with someone you care about

00:31:43.500 and have a reasonable chance of having a home

00:31:45.820 and not having being one of the 40 percent of households that have medical or

00:31:50.260 dental debt

00:31:50.780 then what is all of this for

00:31:52.840 there's been more shareholder value

00:31:55.380 created in a 10 mile radius of sfo international airport in the last three

00:31:59.860 years and created in europe in the last 30 years but we can't afford to give

00:32:03.080 people

00:32:03.480 a middle-class lifestyle and i think all of these things are

00:32:07.240 conscious choices we've made but going back

00:32:09.820 to this notion you know i had the opportunity

00:32:13.700 to to to meet people i had the opportunity to get jobs i had the opportunity to get a cheap

00:32:19.780 education i had the opportunity when i bought that house in san francisco

00:32:22.720 when i graduated from berkeley it was a hundred thousand dollars

00:32:26.100 average comp average house in san francisco costs 280 000 now the comp out of haas is 200

00:32:31.200 great money but the average house costs 2.1 million so it's gone from 2.8 to 10 times

00:32:36.800 minimum wage is stuck at 7.25 the nasdaq has gone up sevenfold minimum wage has gone up zero percent

00:32:43.080 every year we transfer one point trillion dollars from people under the age of 65 to the wealthiest

00:32:48.960 generation in the history of the planet to social security recipients and i'm not suggesting we do away

00:32:53.480 with social security but governor neither you nor me should ever get social security so i feel as if

00:32:58.600 we've consciously transferred money from the young to the old made it more competitive women are

00:33:04.440 thriving that's outstanding but young men are struggling and i think we're finally having a

00:33:09.180 productive dialogue because the people who are finally not finally the people are most supportive

00:33:13.960 of my work now it's changed totally are mothers and what they realize is that the nation and women

00:33:19.440 aren't going to continue to flourish as as long as men are flailing and our young men are failing

00:33:25.500 governor four times as likely to kill themselves three times as likely to be addicted

00:33:29.640 12 times as likely to be incarcerated do we have an opiate crisis do we have a homeless crisis yes but

00:33:36.060 we really have a male opiate and homeless crisis and if any other special interest group was killing

00:33:43.640 themselves at four times the rate is the control group we would weigh in with programs but instead

00:33:50.220 because of our generation where so much was prosperity was crammed into a small number of people

00:33:55.840 specifically white heterosexual males we want to punish the 19 year old male for our blessings

00:34:02.060 and understandably there's a gag reflex because we've had a 3 000 year head start but the 19 year old

00:34:08.660 man whose mom's addicted to opiates his father's incarcerated who has no on ramps into a middle class

00:34:15.540 i mean do you really want them to pay the price for the benefit and the privilege that the two of us

00:34:20.960 have received there's a lack of empathy and this is not a zero-sum game civil rights didn't hurt white

00:34:26.680 people gay marriage didn't hurt heteronormative marriage if we level up our young people it's not

00:34:32.340 going to take away from the incredible progress women have made scott when did you start to really

00:34:37.040 see this this trend when did you start i mean your work on this you're new in a new book on notes on

00:34:43.860 being a man and obviously talking a lot about it i i'm i'm personally been very attached to this issue

00:34:49.920 my wife has done a number of documentaries one on the myths and underrepresentation of women and

00:34:55.440 girls 10 years ago right yeah 10 years but then immediately did one called the mask you live in

00:35:00.200 about masculinity and this was pre-trump and and she really to your point she came at it from a

00:35:07.220 from as a parent uh and and and the challenges and the difference between uh we have two boys and

00:35:13.200 two girls and so i'm i've i've long appreciated this topic it's a difficult one politically i want to

00:35:19.140 get to that in a minute and i think you you started to unpack some of that but when did you personally

00:35:23.460 really start to see this and realize we need to talk about it more you know it wasn't any specific

00:35:30.300 moment or epiphany it was i love data and the data here was just overwhelming when you just saw what

00:35:34.900 was happening to college attendance it used to be 40 60 now it's 60 40 it's probably going to be two to

00:35:41.020 one um female to male college grads the next five years because men drop out so there's literally

00:35:46.840 going to be two college uh female college grads literally had a csu conversation along those lines

00:35:52.440 literally two to one yeah and and then you look at just some of the dynamics around one out of three

00:36:00.480 men under the age of 30 is in a relationship two out of three women under the age of 30 is in a

00:36:04.860 relationship and you think well that's mathematically impossible it's not because women are dating older

00:36:09.700 because they want more economically and emotionally uh viable men one in three men under the age of 30

00:36:17.140 uh under the age of 25 is living with their parents one in five at the age of 30 is living with their

00:36:21.680 parents so you just see you just see the data so overwhelming and just on a personal note governor

00:36:27.820 i just relate to these young men i i could have that i think i think to myself had it not been for the

00:36:33.780 generosity of california taxpayers and the regents of the university of california

00:36:37.500 and the irrational passion for my well-being of my mother and the fact that

00:36:41.340 the tax policy and economic policy gave me just this upward spiral you know there for the grace

00:36:48.360 of god go i i relate to these young men i don't think that you know as you when you're younger

00:36:53.960 you you like to you credit your you credit your grit and your character for your success

00:37:01.640 my my origin story up until the age of 40 was check out my shit i was raised by

00:37:07.340 a single immigrant mother now i'm a baller and you know aren't just smell me and then as you get

00:37:12.440 older you realize a lot of your success isn't your fault if had i not been born in california

00:37:18.920 white heterosexual male in my you know in the 60s i just don't think i'd be here and by the way i'm

00:37:24.540 not humble i think i'm a fucking monster i think i'm in the top one percent but the top one percent

00:37:29.260 in this on this planet puts you in a room of 75 million people my life is better than the top

00:37:34.360 seven and a half at least and that's because i smartest thing i ever did was to be born in

00:37:38.440 america specifically in california and i realized that a lot of those features that really lifted me

00:37:44.560 up by the scruff of my neck and flung me forward at the speed of sound and of prosperity that hand is

00:37:51.280 getting weaker and weaker so one the data is overwhelming and two i just really relate to these

00:37:57.480 young men i was there i didn't have a lot of economic or romantic prospects and things worked

00:38:03.540 out for me because our nation decided that it loved the unremarkable and i just i worry that's no longer

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00:44:15.580 you've highlighted you know i think 4x the housing cost 2x the educational cost uh paychecks now uh

00:44:24.160 declining and exacerbating these conditions and and in this sort of generational shift that you

00:44:29.140 highlighted as it relates to seniors doing better uh and this generation younger generation doing worse

00:44:34.800 for the first time in american history than their parents generation what is that i know i want to

00:44:40.920 connect is it do you connect any of the dots in our conversation around terrorists do you connect

00:44:46.420 any dots as it relates to de-industrialization do you connect any dots to any substantive policy

00:44:53.300 decisions that were made in the united states of america or was it just a broader neglect and focus on

00:45:00.340 what made america great was it a lack of intentionality in subsidizing higher education uh was a lack of focus

00:45:08.180 on yimbyism versus nimbyism as it relates to housing and the imperative there what was what was there

00:45:13.720 was there something that you really connect as a moma was it in the simple terms that often are painted

00:45:19.080 in politics reaganomics and trickle-down economics and a broader sort of decoupling of of of commitment

00:45:26.120 uh to the social well-being so a lot there but a couple things that it isn't a couple reasons

00:45:32.960 that didn't inspire this decline in the prosperity of young people of the american male the first is

00:45:41.020 that manufacturing has gone away and that's the problem as manufacturing has gone away in the 70s

00:45:46.720 we've had more overall prosperity americans aren't looking you know as dave chappelle said we want to

00:45:51.600 wear nikes not make them the you know the the notion that we're going to have the biggest own goal in

00:45:56.980 history so we can bring more manufacturing and microwaves back it's just stupid the average

00:46:02.080 assembly line worker for foxconn working for apple makes 500 a month or six thousand dollars a year

00:46:08.080 in china the average executive at apple headquarters makes over two hundred thousand dollars a year we

00:46:12.620 have purposely traded off manufacturing for higher growth technology systems services jobs so you make

00:46:19.340 the case that's not it then i mean that's not fundamentally yeah we're the second we're still the

00:46:24.120 second largest manufacturer in the world we've just outsourced the the shitty the shitty

00:46:27.660 manufacturing work have we left some people behind unfairly sure 80 americans want more

00:46:33.340 manufacturing only one in five want to actually work in manufacturing you can't take your dog to

00:46:38.400 the shop floor to the plant at lansing michigan they everyone loves the idea of manufacturing people

00:46:44.540 people want to design software they want to be in the services industry they want to be an associate

00:46:48.340 of jp morgan not not tooling or or you know making battery somewhere the ascent of women has been

00:46:55.740 wonderful it has not come at the cross it has not come at the cost of of men i think there's a

00:47:01.080 variety of things that are going on here one just biological men mature less fast and when we even

00:47:06.780 the playing field in academia women blew by men i would argue that the educational system is now biased

00:47:12.620 against men a boy is twice as likely to be suspended on a behavioral adjusted basis exact same infraction a

00:47:19.280 black boy five times as likely look at the behaviors we promote in school sit still be organized be a

00:47:25.300 please or raise your hand you're basically describing a girl you have wood shop metal shop and auto shop

00:47:31.320 have gone away so the online kind of the on ramps to a vocational job are not as clear we all knew that

00:47:38.400 guy in high school there was no way he was going to college but he was fixing up his trans am in his

00:47:43.680 driveway and he could go to work making 30 or 40 bucks an hour as a mechanic now that path that vocational

00:47:49.540 path those jobs are there but sociologically we sort of shame those jobs and we tell parents you

00:47:55.260 failed if your kid is one of the two-thirds of kids that doesn't get in doesn't get into college

00:48:02.100 we've seen you know i i would call a lot of mixed messaging to young men that pull up yourself you know

00:48:11.780 pull yourself up by your your boots if you're only more in touch with your feelings i think that

00:48:16.160 modern masculinity from the right is be coarse and cruel and from the left it's be more like a

00:48:22.420 woman i don't think either of those is right i still think there's opportunity for men to embrace

00:48:27.280 masculinity um you know being strong being physically strong being risk aggressive initiating romantic

00:48:34.080 contact being aggressive around trying to get a job you're not qualified for uh taking risks i think

00:48:40.300 these are wonderful at being kind being a protector your default system as a protector so i think young men

00:48:45.900 have gotten a lot of a lot of mixed messages more than anything we have made the conscious decision

00:48:52.040 to transfer money from young to old old people have figured out a way to vote themselves more money and

00:48:57.060 they continue to do it the 40 billion dollar child tax credit gets stripped out of the infrastructure bill

00:49:01.480 the 130 billion dollar increase in cost of living adjustment for seniors flies right through congress

00:49:07.260 because old people vote and i it's just insane to me that we have the largest economic transfer in history

00:49:14.380 annually happen every being redundant 12 months from young to old there used to be 12 people

00:49:19.240 supporting every retired worker now there's three we haven't raised the age all this nonsense around

00:49:24.860 doge you know they save two and a half billion dollars you could six sacks of doge by cutting off

00:49:29.700 all subsidies to tesla it's if you really want to be an adult here about the fact that we're spending

00:49:35.520 seven trillion on five trillion revenues there's only two things you can do you're going to have to go

00:49:40.140 after entitlements and you're going to or you're going to have to raise taxes and the answer is yes

00:49:44.380 at some point we're going to need an adult that says i'm sorry folks we have to do both i'm the

00:49:50.320 person that's going to cut your entitlements or at least means test it and age gate it and i'm going

00:49:55.760 to have to raise your taxes and what we've decided is the people who vote and the wealthiest people

00:50:01.000 taxes for corporations are at their lowest level since 1929 the 25 wealthiest americans are paying

00:50:07.280 six percent in taxes and we like to think that oh we can't lower taxes they're too high there's a

00:50:13.400 strange dynamic in the u.s whereas the people who get most screwed by our tax code are not only young

00:50:19.400 people but well let's just stop there two biggest tax deductions mortgage interest rate and capital

00:50:26.200 gains who owns stocks and homes people our age who rents and makes their money from salary young

00:50:30.760 people social security tax my analyst who works for me makes 160 grand pays nine grand to earn social

00:50:37.440 security tax i make substantially more than that and i pay nine grand because we've decided to cap it

00:50:43.220 such that it's a regressive tax so we keep transferring more and more money to the old and what do you know

00:50:50.240 young people aren't economically as economically viable which is more important for a man three

00:50:55.560 quarters of women say economic viability is important in a mate only one in four men say that it's

00:50:59.600 important so we essentially have just uh uh the most depressed obese and anxious generation in

00:51:07.840 history and we ask ourselves why well of course they're upset they're not doing as well as their

00:51:13.700 parents they can't find a mate there aren't as many venues to meet they meet online where they type

00:51:19.780 in six feet or a hundred thousand dollars plus if you take out married obese and men under the age

00:51:25.620 over the age of 50 that's two percent of the male population men need a place to demonstrate

00:51:31.180 excellence if you out if you talk to couples that have been married longer than 30 years 75 percent of

00:51:36.860 them say one was much more interested in the other at the beginning and it's almost always the male who

00:51:42.800 was more interested than the woman because the downside of sex is much greater for a woman than a man

00:51:48.840 we've been taught for thousands of years to spread our seed to the four corners of the earth women have

00:51:53.460 been taught for thousands of years to put up a much finer filter to pick the strongest smartest and

00:51:57.740 fastest seed and some they're just more selective and i'm not suggesting they should ever lower their

00:52:02.360 standards but typically what happened in those relationships is the man had a chance to demonstrate

00:52:08.540 excellence i worked with him and i found out he was really good at what he did we went to the same

00:52:13.220 temple and i saw how kind he was to his parents we spent time together and we worked at a food

00:52:19.420 kitchen together and i saw that he was kind i liked his hands i liked the way he danced i liked the way

00:52:24.760 he smelled and slowly but surely he raised his game in my mind and we fell in love and decided to have

00:52:32.180 a life together where does a man a young man demonstrate excellence to get through that much

00:52:38.260 finer filter that women have they're not going to work they're not going to school the number of bars

00:52:44.200 i'm living in london the number of bars in london has declined 40 percent kids don't have the money

00:52:49.260 and they have this anti-alcohol movement and just so i can really act like i'm crazy i think young

00:52:55.120 people need to drink more i think this anti-alcohol movement is the worst thing since remote work for

00:53:01.000 young people i tell people jokingly you need to go out drink more make a series of bad decisions

00:53:06.620 that might pay off because the risk to your 25 year old liver of alcohol is dwarfed by the risks of

00:53:11.740 social isolation well as a guy who owns a few bars and wineries i'm with you scott on that but

00:53:17.440 you're in yeah no but it's interesting i love hearing i mean by the way you've you've made this

00:53:21.680 point about bars it's interesting you're you're sincere about it you're not just being flippant

00:53:25.500 about it i mean it's i mean people are to your point i mean they're more isolated more lonely

00:53:30.680 and more disconnected one of i mean we can get to solutions in a minute but it's it's actually one

00:53:36.120 of your foundational principles to address some of these issues not just bars i mean social social

00:53:41.880 settings that can bring people together sports leagues church non-profits national service

00:53:47.620 tax credits for places that bring people together young people together and i mean and i'll ask you

00:53:53.700 this think of your closest friends i mean your buddies where you get together and you just pick

00:53:57.960 up a letter m no matter how long it's been since you've seen them think about your romantic

00:54:02.240 relationships in your life did what percentage of them did alcohol play some role in in your

00:54:08.040 formative years exactly enough said enough said there you go no i mean right i mean everybody

00:54:12.940 listening how many people listen to your point that's 90 90 plus percent of folks right i imagine

00:54:18.020 well and six percent of our of our youth are addicted to drugs and alcohol 26 or 23 are addicted to

00:54:25.880 social media where's the real problem here yeah well said

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00:59:51.380 you get your podcasts you talked about minimum wage at 7 25 and you've talked about the fact that if

01:00:04.680 you adjusted for productivity and inflation be closer to what 23 24 or five dollars and that you've talked

01:00:11.600 about the issues of vocation uh community college you know you brought up the woodshop frame and just

01:00:17.680 how we you know those jobs exist but we we haven't persisted in providing uh the sort of reputational

01:00:24.540 support for those skills and the actual education uh that we pulled away from our education system k

01:00:32.240 through 12 what else should we be focused on in terms of substantively trying to address this besides

01:00:37.440 now having an honest conversation about it well first off i think you and the governor of washington

01:00:42.880 have shown a lot of leadership around minimum wage and that is what we found is that the myth that all

01:00:47.220 these small businesses are going to go out of business is just a myth that when you raise minimum wage the

01:00:52.300 wonderful thing about lower middle income households is that when you give them a buck they spend it all and it

01:00:56.020 creates a greater multiplier effect and we haven't seen a decline in businesses economic growth or an increase in

01:01:02.160 inflation when we raise minimum wage so that's in my opinion that's a no-brainer i i like to think i'm helping

01:01:08.100 the democratic party with messaging i like to think of a unifying theory of everything and the unifying theory

01:01:13.060 of everything for me is anyone under the age of 40 that's a good person and works hard should be able to find

01:01:17.840 someone and should be able to raise kids in a household without living in poverty and the first thing is 25 an hour

01:01:24.940 minimum wage i don't i just don't it would hurt walmart stock it would hurt mcdonald's stock and it would be worth it

01:01:31.000 uh i think more men in uh k-12 education if you were to look reverse engineer to the single point

01:01:38.080 of failure for when boys become come off the tracks it's when they lose a male role model we have the

01:01:43.780 most single parent homes of any nation in the world and when we say single parent we really mean mom is

01:01:48.440 heading the household that's 92 percent of single parent homes and what it ends up is that girls in

01:01:54.480 single parent homes have the same outcome same hate rates of high school attendance and self-harm

01:01:59.420 boys become much more likely to engage in self-harm and not go to college it ends up

01:02:04.820 that while boil boys are physically stronger they're mentally and emotionally much weaker

01:02:09.960 so we need more males involved in k-12 and even just saying that boys need men in their lives used to

01:02:17.080 trigger people and now mothers are recognizing that that's just not true we need boys involved in men's

01:02:22.640 lives and sky you mean by that teachers not just mentors you just people that are advocates counselors

01:02:29.540 and or what in what respect uh yes all of the above after school programs coaches they usually don't get

01:02:36.220 paid um more men i think the catholic church and michael jackson have screwed it up for all of us i think

01:02:42.540 there's a lot of wonderful men out there that don't have families of their own there are three times

01:02:46.440 as women applying to be big sisters as men applying to be big brothers in america why one men aren't

01:02:52.980 stepping up and two i think they feel self-conscious if you're a 35 year old male maybe doesn't have your

01:02:58.800 own family your own kids and you want to be involved or help out a 15 year old son of a single mother

01:03:04.420 don't people look at you like there's something wrong with you there are a lot of wonderful men out

01:03:09.520 there that have love to get paternal and fraternal and they're under the illusion that if they're not

01:03:14.780 a baller that or they haven't don't have a degree in adolescent psychiatry they shouldn't get involved

01:03:20.020 in a boy's life i i think of this the rings of masculinity you got to take care of yourself you

01:03:24.480 got to be strong you got to be economic viability you take care of your family you take care of

01:03:27.800 community but i think the ultimate expression of masculinity is to get involved in the life of a

01:03:33.520 child that isn't yours and we need more men involved when my mom got divorced she made sure that

01:03:39.300 a couple of her boyfriends she kept in my life there was a neighbor that used to come over with

01:03:43.500 his girlfriend and take me horseback riding i made really good friends with a stock broker and i used

01:03:47.060 to swing by his the brokerage dean witter reynolds and westwood after school i had a lot of wonderful

01:03:53.080 men in my life so one men need to step up more big brothers programs more coaching i would like to see

01:03:59.340 a mandatory national service if you look at if you look at israel lowest levels of young adult

01:04:06.080 depression in the west despite all the existential threats i was just in israel and i met with a

01:04:12.440 battalion of 110 from the idf all these beautiful young men and women fit outdoors learning how to

01:04:18.560 handle assault rifles getting to the point where they're so skilled that the man or the woman next

01:04:23.900 to you would literally depend you know their trust you with their lives and serving the agency of

01:04:29.320 something bigger than themselves and that's where they meet friends that's where they meet mentors

01:04:32.640 co-founders and mates i'd like to see national mandatory national service where people can meet

01:04:37.920 others from different sexual orientations different income classes different ethnicities so we start to

01:04:42.600 see each other as americans before we see each other as trans or republican or rich or poor i think any

01:04:50.660 college that's not growing its freshman class faster than population growth should and has an endowment

01:04:56.860 over a billion dollars should lose its tax-free status dartmouth has eight billion dollar

01:05:01.260 endowment 500 students it's not a college it's a hedge fund with classes it's just insane if you

01:05:07.640 had a drug that made people less obese four times more likely to get married likely to run for office

01:05:14.080 much less likely to get divorced much less likely to have diabetes would you hoard that drug that's what

01:05:18.560 me and my colleagues are doing at elite higher institutions we purposely sequester artificially

01:05:24.320 constrained supply we could let in five x the number of kids we do now but we're all drunk on

01:05:30.240 exclusivity when my dean announces we've rejected 85 of our applicants you know me and my colleagues

01:05:36.860 do we stand up and we applaud yeah it's awful yeah i really appreciate the university of california

01:05:43.300 and what the cal state system is doing trying to increase its population by the by the amount of

01:05:47.980 one class but unfortunately a lot of elite institutions have not have not received the memo i just

01:05:54.280 toured i did a college tour with my son university of chicago four percent admissions rate duke four

01:06:00.240 percent admissions rate and you were by the way literal when and just for listeners when you said

01:06:04.960 nine percent at ucla it's nine percent uh at ucla eleven percent at berkeley it is interesting scott

01:06:11.660 use over the entire system um it's it's now 70 percent just broke 70 percent uh but at those specific

01:06:20.060 campuses because of uc merced and other ucs uh we're making progress but it's not it's not good

01:06:25.880 enough and your point it's even worse if you look at degrees if you're trying to get a computer science

01:06:30.700 degree or something you're talking one two three percent of people getting in and you're right i you

01:06:36.380 hear it all the time faculty and others it's not a knock at faculty but people start to applaud i've

01:06:41.360 been in those meetings uh just as you described and it's it's gross and california gets it i'm not a

01:06:48.280 billionaire but i've given a lot of money to ucla and berkeley because california gets it the cal state

01:06:53.000 system is probably the unsung hero right biggest pell grant recipient in the world in the united

01:06:57.840 states biggest conveyor belt of talent the country pell grant saved my ass governor i yeah i'm i'm the

01:07:04.340 recipient of affirmative action because i came from a household that was in the lower third economically

01:07:09.400 i got unfair advantage and i got pell grants i couldn't have gone to college without them and it's

01:07:14.280 worked out for everybody and also so i do think there's schools that get it i think what asu is

01:07:19.280 doing with michael crowe i do think there are schools that you dub madison i just took my kid

01:07:24.260 to the university of wisconsin madison 50 000 good kids from minneapolis and wisconsin university of

01:07:29.780 north carolina doing their job trying to expand this so some people get the memo the majority of elite

01:07:34.900 institutions now see themselves in their as their mess bags not as as public servants in terms of

01:07:40.600 solutions we just need to put more money in the pockets of young people i like what portugal did

01:07:45.400 with a tax holiday if you gave every person under the age of 40 who makes less than a hundred thousand

01:07:49.540 dollars a tax holiday it wouldn't cost us that much because reality is they don't make that much

01:07:54.080 money i think all capital gains should be like the reagan administration there shouldn't be there

01:07:59.720 shouldn't be long-term or short-term why is sweat less noble than the money my money makes

01:08:04.480 why is rent less noble than the money you pay for a mortgage that's nothing but an elegant transfer

01:08:12.660 of money from the young to the old and then you want to talk about the greatest intergenerational

01:08:17.060 theft in history covid yeah we took seven trillion dollars a million people dying would be bad but if i

01:08:24.480 got less wealthy it'd be tragic so we took seven trillion dollars flushed it into the economy 85 of it

01:08:29.820 wasn't spent it wasn't spent on food or medicine or housing 85 of it wasn't spent so where did it go

01:08:35.400 it went into the markets and housing went from 290 000 average household to 410 in just four years

01:08:42.780 the stock market went crazy so i got richer and richer and young people the entrance everything got

01:08:49.560 more expensive when you bail out the baby boomer owner of a restaurant all you're doing is transferring

01:08:56.220 opportunity away from the recent graduate of a culinary academy at 26 who wants her shot the reason

01:09:02.460 i get to live the life i lead economically is in 2008 we bailed out the banks but we let the markets fall

01:09:09.540 the markets are cyclical and disruption transfers power and money back from incumbents to entrance and

01:09:17.120 what did i get to do i got to buy netflix apple and amazon at 8 10 and 12 dollars a share and netflix is

01:09:23.680 at 9 40 where does a young person find value now because we've decided to use their credit card

01:09:29.220 to bail us out when shit gets real i'm in the club doing rails of cocaine and champagne and the closest a

01:09:37.160 young person gets is they get to throw me their credit card so i can spend or the government can spend

01:09:42.920 seven trillion dollars a year on five trillion in receipts such that young people are going to have

01:09:48.280 to pay this shit back it's criminal such that the stock market stays high such that you and i stay

01:09:54.500 wealthy so i think almost every major economic policy can be reverse engineered to one thing

01:10:00.120 how do we maintain the incumbents wealth at the cost of potential entrance if i can just briefly enter

01:10:08.700 the world of partisan politics you know it's interesting these trend lines have obviously accrued to

01:10:14.960 uh the trump candidacy i mean you saw with the numbers i think you know and and forgive me if

01:10:20.900 i'm off a little bit but i think in in the first trump election he won 41 of young voters 56 of young

01:10:28.600 voters in this last election uh obviously so much focus on on his outreach and in in terms of focusing on

01:10:36.900 the quote-unquote manosphere focusing on sports uh more of a hyper-masculine frame of outreach and

01:10:43.320 engagement don't get me started or don't even get you started though i i would love to actually get

01:10:48.300 you started but with the dnc's lack of engagement to young men uh non-existent doesn't exist in the

01:10:55.900 democratic party hasn't in the past uh but give me a sense of you're over under was that very intentional

01:11:02.740 on his part was he just the the benefit beneficiary of that because of the neglect of the democratic

01:11:09.200 party and he sort of stumbled into it uh what do you make of the the difference between the two

01:11:13.400 parties in terms of trying to approach some of these issues in a sincere and honest way

01:11:17.640 the three biggest own goals in american history were the our entry into iraq or in recent history

01:11:24.660 these ridiculous tariffs that is the most elegant way to reduce prosperity in history

01:11:28.840 and the democratic committee losing to an insurrectionist and this is how we managed

01:11:34.700 to steal to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory this was supposed to be a referendum on women's

01:11:40.260 rights understandably it wasn't women's rights did not show up what showed up was testosterone

01:11:45.900 specifically young men are really struggling and if you look at the three groups that pivoted hardest

01:11:52.300 from uh blue to red 2020 to 2024 it was one latinos who i believe don't want to be identified as a

01:11:59.640 group the mexican americans in southern california have much different priorities than cuban americans in

01:12:04.220 southern florida and even identifying them as a group i think pisses them off too people under the

01:12:09.060 age of 40 per year comments they're just not doing well and when you're not doing as well as your

01:12:13.840 parents you feel rage and all you want is disruption you don't want you don't even want change you want

01:12:18.300 the candidate who is kind of chaotic because you're like whatever's going on here is not working for me

01:12:22.420 and then the third and most interesting group the pivoted hardest from um blue to red was 45 to 64 year

01:12:29.640 old women and my thesis is that's their mothers and there's still a lot of women in the u.s who

01:12:36.360 will vote for what they perceive is best for their husbands or their sons and when you're a mother and

01:12:41.940 your son is in the basement playing video games and vaping you don't give a shit about territorial

01:12:46.880 sovereignty in ukraine or women's rights or transgender rights you just want change and the trump campaign

01:12:53.220 to their credit was brilliant they flew right into the manosphere rockets crypto joe rogan

01:13:01.200 they went he went on joe rogan do you realize with 40 million audio downloads excuse me 40 million

01:13:07.180 youtube videos and 15 million audio downloads for vice president to get the same level of exposure

01:13:12.280 vice president harris she would have had to gone on c cnbc msnbc fox and cnn every night for three hours

01:13:20.020 for two weeks they totally outplayed us governor and then talk about young men not going to the

01:13:26.600 republican party but moving away from the democratic party i like you was at the convention and what i

01:13:31.840 saw was a three-day parade of special interest groups representing everybody but the one group

01:13:37.520 that has fallen furthest fastest and that is young men if you go to the dnc.org website it has a site

01:13:44.620 that says who we serve explicitly it says who we serve and it goes on to list 16 demographic groups

01:13:50.860 ranging from asian pacific islanders to black americans the disabled veterans i added it up

01:13:57.060 it's 74 percent of the u.s population when you say you're explicitly advocating for 74 percent of the u.s

01:14:04.680 population you're not advocating for them you're discriminating against the 26 percent

01:14:10.320 and young men went viciously towards trump so did the women in their lives supporting them

01:14:16.840 and that was enough to swing groups who had traditionally been democratic to trump and

01:14:23.380 this was a huge own goal we an honest question is how did we let this happen quite frankly we ignored

01:14:31.620 the group that has fallen furthest fastest this wasn't this wasn't this was the testosterone election

01:14:37.920 and trump figured that out and went and flew right into it all right look if democratic party's not

01:14:44.480 listening they sure as hell better listen or they're just going to repeat history i i appreciate

01:14:48.640 scott you you you're reinforcing this and you know we you know we're we're we're short on time and i guess

01:14:54.920 it begs the final question you know what is the hesitancy to the party is it just that you know i think

01:15:00.440 i've you've heard the old phrase pale male you know we've had all the privileges uh you mentioned

01:15:05.900 three thousand years of sort of male dominance the me too movement this notion uh that you know we

01:15:12.700 still have gender disparity we still have all these issues is it just our unwillingness as a party the

01:15:18.060 democratic party what do you uh to just own up to this factor is it do they we feel it's just we're

01:15:23.880 talking only about white males what what is it that you think has restricted the capacity

01:15:29.640 for the democratic party to fully embrace and understand uh this gap in terms of their electoral

01:15:36.500 thinking let alone the policy substance behind it i think we became too obsessed with achieving social

01:15:44.220 status versus doing things that actually helped people grow their material or their psychological

01:15:49.160 well-being and i think identity politics has worked for a long time i think it was just smart to

01:15:54.560 cater to the specific needs and the easiest way to identify people was through their identity and i

01:16:00.240 think and by the way i'm really hopeful for the democratic party i think this tariff nonsense is

01:16:04.740 just unbelievable opportunity for us to go these people are insane and they're reducing your prosperity

01:16:09.480 i think this is a gift to us and the reason i have been and will be for the rest of my life a democrat

01:16:15.300 is that democrats we get it wrong but our heart's in the right place we're trying to do the right

01:16:20.220 thing sometimes do we carry it too far we do and what i would argue is using what needs to happen

01:16:26.040 at universities as a metaphor for what needs to happen in the democratic you know i'll use the

01:16:30.120 university of california in 1997 the university of california did away with race-based affirmative

01:16:34.200 action and they shifted to an adversity score because what they realized is the daughter of a

01:16:39.220 Taiwanese private equity billionaire is not diversity but if you're a trans kid a white kid who's trans

01:16:45.960 who's faced incredible uphill battle you deserve a second look a second shot and i think the democratic

01:16:51.720 party needs to move away from identity politics and focus really on one thing and that is the unifying

01:16:57.720 theory of everything should be that if you're young and you're a good kid you should have be able to have

01:17:04.280 a job that pays a certain wage you should be able to find someone to fall in love with and you should

01:17:08.920 be able to have a home uh and kids we need seven million homes in 10 years manufactured homes that cost 30 to

01:17:15.780 50 percent less than homes built on site we need a minimum wage of 25 bucks an hour we need a tax

01:17:20.860 holiday for people under the age of 40 we need national service and more third places where people

01:17:25.360 can fall in love and stop this identity politics we are here to give everyone a shot everyone and

01:17:33.800 affirmative action in america should should thrive but it should be based on color and that color is green

01:17:39.480 we need in america this is a collective victory you'd rather be born gay or nine white than poor

01:17:46.800 today so let's go after let's help the people let's use the full faith and resources of the

01:17:51.780 greatest experiment in history the best performing organization in history the u.s government that's

01:17:56.400 offered more rights and prosperity for a lower cost taxes than any organization in history let's pull

01:18:01.500 the full weight let's put the full weight of that incredible organization around the people who need it

01:18:06.340 most in the u.s and that is the poor let's let's let's stop this nonsense where the richer are protected

01:18:14.280 by the law but not bound by it and the poor are bound by the law but not protected by it the constitution

01:18:19.220 is here to protect the lower 50 this nonsense of rounding people up and sending them to hellscapes

01:18:24.420 guess what no one you or i know is risk i i could be in deepest reddest mississippi i have access to

01:18:31.220 mesifestron because i have money that is not why the government is here the government isn't here to make

01:18:36.300 you or me richer the government is to help the lower half and i think that's that's where the

01:18:41.100 democratic party needs to go and get away from identity politics because it's it's creating more

01:18:46.540 problems than it's solving scott it's been wonderful to spend time with you thank you for your insight

01:18:52.460 thank you for uh your recommendations and uh thank you as for always being so candid and forthright

01:18:58.060 thank you governor and thank you to the taxpayers of california literally changed my life i love it

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