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00:01:17.320 So what happened to Chappaquiddick?

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00:02:57.900 This is Gavin Newsom.

00:03:00.980 And our conversation with Ryan Murphy continues.

00:03:03.400 What, you mentioned, Ted, Netflix.

00:03:08.340 I mean, so the whole streaming thing.

00:03:10.520 But now it's interesting.

00:03:11.640 You're kind of back a little bit, the sort of Disney, Hulu, FX thing.

00:03:16.420 I mean, but where's, you said Hollywood's going younger.

00:03:19.580 I mean, is that a time of life or is that a state of mind?

00:03:22.300 What do you mean younger?

00:03:23.660 It's always, isn't it been a youth?

00:03:25.660 I mean, what's your journey here since 89?

00:03:29.160 I mean, where are we in terms of, and we'll get into tax credits, competitiveness in a minute.

00:03:34.640 But I'm just curious, just what you meant by youth and younger people, what streaming means to you?

00:03:41.300 What's sort of, what's the state of play from that perspective? 0.92

00:03:44.520 Because you've seen every damn side of this.

00:03:46.460 You've been part of every side of this. 0.97

00:03:47.820 It's interesting because, you know, I've kind of been at this now since 1998 was my first show.

00:03:56.160 Popular.

00:03:57.160 Yeah.

00:03:58.300 It was a very cult show.

00:03:59.800 It ran two years.

00:04:01.360 Leslie Bibb, who was on White Lotus, was one of her first starring roles.

00:04:05.360 Interesting.

00:04:05.620 So I've been through a lot of different changes, you know, like that 2002, 2013, 14 was very like prestige, push it, as much sex and blood and gore.

00:04:22.100 And, you know, it was like the period of the white male anti-hero.

00:04:27.940 You know, if you look at it, the Sopranos, Mad Men, these were the things that were very popular.

00:04:32.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:32.800 And then I think there's the Obama section that sort of started 2012 that went through 2017.

00:04:39.860 And that's, I think, you know, more female programming, more progressive programming.

00:04:46.480 Glee certainly falls into that.

00:04:48.260 American Horror Story certainly falls into that.

00:04:50.440 The Normal Heart, which I did.

00:04:52.080 Yeah.

00:04:53.600 And now, and then what happened was there was the streaming wars began, you know.

00:04:58.580 Right.

00:04:59.120 That really started in 2016.

00:05:00.800 Were you anxious at the time about that?

00:05:03.480 Were you like, this is the end of the world?

00:05:04.840 No.

00:05:05.340 It was the best thing that ever happened to me.

00:05:07.320 Yeah.

00:05:07.520 Well, for you, personally.

00:05:09.040 Well, I think for everybody.

00:05:10.320 For everybody.

00:05:10.680 Because what happened was, you know, literally production doubled overnight.

00:05:15.020 And there was a lot of new, young voices that were able to get things made.

00:05:19.920 For example, you know, I did Pose during that time.

00:05:23.120 That never would have been on the air five years before then, or even now, I don't think.

00:05:27.740 Interesting.

00:05:29.880 But then what happened was COVID and the strikes.

00:05:35.340 And now it's really hard for young people to, I think, get things on the air.

00:05:42.600 It's really hard for different points of view.

00:05:44.600 I think we're in almost like a Victorian age, which is a, it's a reaction to COVID and perhaps

00:05:50.900 the two Trump presidencies where I'm finding it very interesting.

00:05:56.540 Like, like what you're saying is people don't want anything to push.

00:05:59.700 They're freaked out enough about their lives.

00:06:01.660 So also Gen Z is very pearl clutching. 0.74

00:06:06.020 They're, they're much more like sort of, they don't like a lot of things that are in their

00:06:10.200 face.

00:06:10.920 Yeah.

00:06:11.980 They don't date as much.

00:06:13.900 They don't socialize as much. 0.96

00:06:15.980 Crazy. 0.76

00:06:16.420 And they don't, you know, it's a very cautious generation.

00:06:19.480 So, but you know, the state of the business is really, really bad right now.

00:06:25.040 And I'm lucky in that I, you know, I went back with my, my great friend, Dana Walden.

00:06:32.820 And, but I really never left because I was doing all my shows, you know, that was part

00:06:36.780 of my deal.

00:06:37.340 I was lucky.

00:06:37.920 I kind of had, I got to keep my legacy shows and go try new things at Netflix.

00:06:43.240 Right.

00:06:43.760 So I went back to Disney Fox and then I continue my monster show.

00:06:49.780 So I kind of, I respect everybody, but you know, I'm really excited.

00:06:53.780 I took, it always takes me a while with a while with a new deal to figure out what I'm

00:06:57.700 going to do.

00:06:58.500 Right.

00:06:58.740 But I think the stuff that I have coming up is like very four quadrant, very mainstream.

00:07:03.720 Interesting.

00:07:04.120 And I'm doing what I've never done before, where I go through every minute of the show

00:07:09.160 and I'm like, how do I make this for everybody?

00:07:11.880 How do I not, you know, alienate people?

00:07:15.160 And so the pearl clutching Victorian, is this sort of the anti-woke pushback?

00:07:24.600 Is it the sort of anti-DEI you've been, you know, LGBTQ?

00:07:29.260 What, I mean, what, is it just, is it in that space that you're referring to?

00:07:32.900 No.

00:07:33.320 Is it in what space?

00:07:33.860 I just think it's cultural taste.

00:07:35.400 Like for example, without naming the show, a friend of mine does a show and it started

00:07:40.900 off and it got really great reviews and in the first, you know, they did a test of it

00:07:45.440 in the first 15 minutes of the show.

00:07:48.560 It's a PG rated comedy.

00:07:50.860 There was a very sexualized situation where you saw nothing, but it was hinted at and the

00:07:56.740 dials went and they lost 20% of the audience in 30 seconds because of a joke.

00:08:03.840 Like that never used to happen.

00:08:05.440 Never used to happen.

00:08:06.040 And I just think that it's culturally people are, I don't know, again, it's, it's, I say

00:08:13.320 that, but again, I think people want their comedies and their dramas soft, but they also

00:08:19.040 like their true, true crime shows.

00:08:21.460 Clearly.

00:08:22.000 Like they want to be able to pick, okay, this is my mood and this is my level of anxiety,

00:08:26.000 which is, there's not a lot of blending of genres, which I think used to happen more.

00:08:30.180 Interesting.

00:08:30.540 And I do think, you know, young people are not as, there's always the reaction, you know,

00:08:37.920 I came up of age right after the, you know, the Reagan years.

00:08:42.200 So that was the period of Madonna.

00:08:44.800 If you look, when I was a kid, she was so popular, I think, because she was tapping into

00:08:49.560 rebellion.

00:08:50.340 Yeah.

00:08:50.540 Yeah.

00:08:51.160 Now the rebellion is how do you rebel?

00:08:53.560 You become quieter and you're like, you're, it's, it's, it's a softer, more, more emotional,

00:09:00.840 introverted group of people.

00:09:03.300 But I do think there's also a big changing of the guard right now, you know, like there's

00:09:08.200 young voices fighting to get stuff on.

00:09:10.620 And I think it used to be 10 of them would, but now one of them will, but that one could

00:09:15.800 be, you know, a Spielberg who could completely change the game and people will follow that

00:09:21.740 person.

00:09:22.060 I can feel that I can feel a lot of young people chomping and I feel culturally things

00:09:27.520 are shifting.

00:09:28.940 You got another 20 years of this in you?

00:09:33.080 That's interesting.

00:09:34.460 You know what?

00:09:34.900 Probably.

00:09:35.420 Yeah.

00:09:36.020 I love that.

00:09:36.780 I really, I was, I wasn't talking about like, I have a farm.

00:09:40.500 Yeah.

00:09:41.720 And I've stayed in New York.

00:09:42.640 I've always seen you as a farm guy.

00:09:44.320 Well, I'm from Indiana.

00:09:45.420 So you're like, you're an Indiana guy.

00:09:46.640 I grew up in the back of a, like, I shucked corn.

00:09:50.000 Like I, I mean, we found out, I mean, you're an athlete, so that's most important.

00:09:54.580 You didn't know that, did you?

00:09:55.540 No, I mean, Mr. Choir guy.

00:09:57.520 Geez.

00:09:58.640 Yeah.

00:09:58.820 I don't know.

00:09:59.320 So I'm like, do I just, do I, do I hang it up and make a jam?

00:10:02.040 You're not going to be, you couldn't even handle that.

00:10:03.640 You couldn't hang it out on a farm all day.

00:10:05.720 Well, I love growing there.

00:10:07.260 I understand that.

00:10:08.120 But every day, seriously.

00:10:09.160 No, but you're right.

00:10:10.380 I probably can't because I like, you know, I like show business and I like, I like creation.

00:10:15.840 I, it's like, I like the making of new things and I like putting people together and I, I

00:10:20.680 love, I love my job.

00:10:22.540 Yeah.

00:10:22.980 And you know, my great idol, Norman Lear, he worked, I mean, he worked until his late

00:10:28.000 nineties, which is an amazing thing.

00:10:31.320 It was incredible.

00:10:32.120 I think he probably worked three or four hours a day, but what a three or four hours, you

00:10:36.160 know, um, but the thing about Norman that I marveled at was he was eternally curious and

00:10:42.920 young people love that he want, like, he sought me out when I had my first big hit and

00:10:49.200 I got a call from him.

00:10:50.040 Just to pick your brain, just to get to know you.

00:10:52.300 He, I got a call out of the blue.

00:10:54.180 Yeah.

00:10:55.120 And it was from Norman Lear.

00:10:56.600 And I'm like, this is not Norman Lear.

00:10:58.160 Cause you know, I grew up watching, you know, I was six when all in the family came out, but

00:11:02.960 I grew up with that show.

00:11:04.340 Yeah.

00:11:04.700 And I was like, this is no way he's calling me.

00:11:07.200 And he, I picked up the phone.

00:11:08.380 I was like, who, who is this really?

00:11:10.120 And he goes, Hey kid, I hear you.

00:11:11.620 The new me.

00:11:13.020 I was like, wow, really?

00:11:14.600 And then I had dinner with him and he would give me great advice.

00:11:19.460 And the thing I love the most about him is he would call during disappointments.

00:11:23.420 Like he called me when the new normal was canceled.

00:11:26.780 Nice.

00:11:26.980 And he was like, every, every failure is, I think he said like something like every failure

00:11:32.360 is a new open door.

00:11:34.220 You can walk through.

00:11:35.200 Love it.

00:11:36.040 Best.

00:11:36.860 The best.

00:11:37.440 And I recently at auction, I bought one of Norman's Ed Ruscha paintings and the painting

00:11:43.780 simply says truth.

00:11:45.540 Yeah.

00:11:45.780 And so I like, I like, you know, living in des of it all.

00:11:49.720 I like talking about my points of view and things that are truthful to me.

00:11:53.820 I love that.

00:11:54.580 And I'm like, why would I stop?

00:11:55.960 I, if I can keep my health, you know.

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00:12:59.420 So what happened at Chappaquiddick?

00:13:04.460 Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

00:13:06.300 There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into

00:13:11.780 a pond.

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00:13:21.240 And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's

00:13:26.800 political future, Ted's political hopes.

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00:13:30.440 Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.

00:13:34.800 And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.

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00:17:02.600 What is the state of play out here?

00:17:08.820 I mean, we did, we doubled, we more than doubled the film tax credit.

00:17:11.680 We needed to do that.

00:17:12.840 Seems the industry's on life support out here.

00:17:15.880 The world we invented is competing against us globally, not just other states,

00:17:20.600 which I think we fully don't, a lot of us don't fully appreciate what's happening overseas.

00:17:24.680 Yes.

00:17:25.340 In particular.

00:17:27.440 What more do we need to do?

00:17:29.040 A lot more.

00:17:29.520 I know tax credit's still not sufficient, but what's your sense of where Hollywood broadly described

00:17:37.100 or defined will be in a decade if what doesn't happen?

00:17:42.820 Well, you know, another changing of the guard to answer that question is, you know,

00:17:46.960 Hollywood used to be Hollywood.

00:17:49.940 You know, it was a dream place.

00:17:52.240 Not that it isn't now, but Hollywood, for the most part, is without exception a tech business.

00:17:57.400 And it is thus much more of a bottom line business.

00:18:02.500 There's no, there's, there's no more of that sort of you scratch, you know, you can have

00:18:06.740 two bombs, but if you give me a hit, we're good.

00:18:10.040 Like it's that that's over.

00:18:11.600 Um, so it is a tech controlled landscape.

00:18:17.380 Many good things have come of that, I think.

00:18:19.260 Um, but I'll tell you a story.

00:18:21.360 Like I, I make between six and eight things a year and I was walking through proving it's

00:18:27.300 not once a quarter, but anyway, I'll go back to that. 1.00

00:18:29.560 It's such bullshit. 0.99

00:18:30.780 But some of these I don't run. 0.99

00:18:32.160 I guess once a quarter, I can say my new things that are not established.

00:18:34.960 I'm on to you.

00:18:35.440 I'm on to you.

00:18:36.120 And I was walking some of the lots to look for stage space.

00:18:40.380 And I was astonished at how it was crickets, like 80% vacancies, people that I have grown

00:18:47.820 up with who run these lots, walking out with tears in their eyes, please come here.

00:18:52.420 I know.

00:18:52.780 And I think the problem is, you know, if you're wanting to shoot in California and there's

00:19:00.740 five other states that will give you better tax credits.

00:19:05.960 And there's only one.

00:19:07.160 So we're one and a half.

00:19:08.160 Okay, but for a while we were five.

00:19:10.320 I agree.

00:19:10.640 And I used to, you know, and I'm very lucky in that I have enough clout where I could

00:19:15.360 say, no, I'm shooting this here.

00:19:17.120 Right. 0.90

00:19:17.640 Like I will, I'm shooting this here.

00:19:19.700 Yeah.

00:19:19.920 So, you know, the thing that I've also been astonished with, that's a new feeling, like

00:19:24.120 I was directing All's Fair recently, my Kim show, and I had so many, this is right after 1.00

00:19:30.840 the fires, and I had so many crew members come up with tears in their eyes, thanking me for

00:19:35.420 staying in California, because the problem is so many people have left.

00:19:40.220 And what has happened is they leave their families.

00:19:44.480 And I know three people on my cruise who are currently going through divorces because their

00:19:50.340 families were broken up and they had to leave for work.

00:19:52.860 And also, it's very, very difficult because you think of like, generationally, it's very

00:20:01.100 easy for people in their 20s and 30s to pick up and go to Georgia.

00:20:04.500 Of course.

00:20:04.880 But if you're in your 40s, 50s, 60s, we're losing a whole generation of talent that cannot

00:20:10.320 do that.

00:20:11.020 So they cannot go to where the work is.

00:20:13.680 So I find it heartbreaking, and I do admire and commend you for what you have done, which

00:20:19.180 is great.

00:20:20.540 But I think that the more we could do, because it's, you know, Hollywood is more than just

00:20:27.420 a state of mind.

00:20:28.200 It's a California legacy.

00:20:30.120 100%.

00:20:30.600 It really is.

00:20:31.860 And it's a worldwide legacy.

00:20:35.460 And I think you and I, before this, were talking about San Francisco.

00:20:40.220 Like two years ago, I remember having a conversation with you saying, what the hell is happening

00:20:45.940 with San Francisco?

00:20:47.120 Yeah.

00:20:47.620 But in a recent trip, it's astonishing at how things can turn around and how that's like

00:20:54.060 AI money, I think, and a lot of tech stuff.

00:20:56.400 But I have great hope, and I commend you, but I say keep fighting the good fight because

00:21:01.620 we need you.

00:21:02.640 Yeah.

00:21:02.820 This town needs you to do more.

00:21:05.180 Yeah.

00:21:05.700 And what I'm seeing is it's just not individuals, it's families that are depending upon it.

00:21:13.460 Yeah.

00:21:13.800 That's the thing that I never really put two and two together.

00:21:16.600 Like if you're a young family and dad or mom has to leave for four months, five months,

00:21:23.020 what do you do?

00:21:23.980 That's really difficult morally, spiritually.

00:21:27.560 So anything we can do to increase reasons why tech companies have a reason to say, okay,

00:21:35.580 we'll keep that show here.

00:21:36.900 That's right.

00:21:38.300 And I'm very lucky this fall.

00:21:40.720 Like I have two things shooting, and I demanded that they both shoot here.

00:21:43.720 Now you're talking.

00:21:44.740 Keeping people together and keeping my crews together.

00:21:48.700 That's a very, and I'm thinking about that more and more and more.

00:21:52.120 And because of the work that you've done, it's become easier for me.

00:21:55.340 No, good.

00:21:55.980 But there's different things about the incentives that are very hard too, like out of boundary,

00:22:01.200 like stuff like that that we should take out.

00:22:03.560 It's hard.

00:22:04.280 No.

00:22:04.740 And the lottery system is also.

00:22:06.940 Right.

00:22:07.160 Which we're fixing and we fixed.

00:22:09.120 I mean, so we went from $330 million, $750 million.

00:22:12.340 And so the key was in a challenging sort of environment, political environment, to at least

00:22:17.940 lock that in.

00:22:19.260 Now we can start to unpack how within that framework we can be more competitive and make

00:22:24.760 the adjustments.

00:22:25.560 We've made a few, but we've got more that obviously need to be done in that space.

00:22:29.640 But I mean, I really admire what you're doing.

00:22:31.360 I don't know any politician that I've met in my lifetime who's gone through so much adversity

00:22:39.660 from, I mean, everything.

00:22:40.980 Not much has happened in the last six years.

00:22:42.860 What are you talking about, Ryan?

00:22:44.080 What are you talking about?

00:22:45.040 I mean, I admire what you've done.

00:22:46.440 And I know that you, like you've also inherited many messes.

00:22:49.920 God bless you.

00:22:50.500 So I acknowledge your work and I say, keep doing it because people are so appreciative

00:22:56.100 for what you recently have done.

00:22:57.540 And I, anything else you could do, I'm here as an advocate for my company town.

00:23:01.740 But I think how you've turned things around in many areas is commendable.

00:23:07.300 You're my long-term friend and I say, keep doing it.

00:23:09.840 I appreciate it.

00:23:10.420 Keep helping us.

00:23:11.260 I appreciate it.

00:23:11.860 Before I let you go, before I let you go back to your kids or your farm. 0.96

00:23:16.700 My farm.

00:23:17.840 Okay.

00:23:18.440 Let's stress test that.

00:23:21.220 What, I mean, what, what's, what are the little scribbles on your little notepad?

00:23:24.720 That little, you know, the thing that's like, you're looking four years from now.

00:23:29.280 You're like, oh, you just wait.

00:23:31.720 I've got a project.

00:23:32.960 I've got, so I know you can't say anything, but is there like a.

00:23:35.960 Oh yeah.

00:23:36.460 I can say.

00:23:37.120 Oh yeah.

00:23:37.320 Good.

00:23:37.740 What do you got?

00:23:38.680 Bring it on then.

00:23:39.940 Well, you know, it's interesting because my life is.

00:23:45.060 I'm already work.

00:23:46.300 Like, I don't even know if I'm here in this room.

00:23:48.240 Cause I'm like working a year ahead.

00:23:50.060 Right.

00:23:50.420 Um, it was funny.

00:23:52.620 I, I, I heard an interview with Taylor Swift where she said the same thing.

00:23:56.140 I was like, oh, I really relate to this.

00:23:57.800 Like I'm already planning my releases for 2027.

00:24:03.200 27.

00:24:04.120 2027.

00:24:04.520 And we just talked about JFK Jr.

00:24:06.520 That comes out.

00:24:07.180 26.

00:24:07.480 26.

00:24:08.080 So like, I'm really sort of plotting.

00:24:10.400 Wow.

00:24:11.280 And I have two goals to be honest.

00:24:13.860 One of which is to keep as many of my shows in California as possible, which is why I'm glad

00:24:18.020 to be here today.

00:24:18.880 Well done.

00:24:19.100 And I want to do a, um, a vampire show, which I've never done.

00:24:26.580 Vampire.

00:24:27.100 So you did a little sci-fi.

00:24:28.400 Now we're going to vampires.

00:24:29.600 I mean, I've, I've had vampires in my work, like, you know, American Horror Story, Lady

00:24:33.480 Gaga famously played one.

00:24:35.020 Right.

00:24:35.540 Um, I want to do that.

00:24:38.520 And I want to do, um, a movie about faith.

00:24:43.420 I'm working on my, one of my great friends is Dee Dee Gardner who runs Plan B Brad Pitt's

00:24:48.420 company.

00:24:48.960 Yeah.

00:24:49.200 Yeah.

00:24:49.300 And she and I are working on a faith-based movie that kind of puts me in touch with my

00:24:55.080 altar boy days.

00:24:56.300 Look at that.

00:24:57.020 Which people would never think of me doing.

00:24:59.640 But I want to do, like you said, I want to do something optimistic and about perseverance

00:25:06.360 and forgiveness.

00:25:07.620 Yeah.

00:25:08.500 And so I'm working on those things.

00:25:10.760 I mean.

00:25:11.980 Vampires and, you know, religion. 0.98

00:25:13.520 Vampires and faith. 0.99

00:25:14.560 It was obviously.

00:25:15.640 Well, that's the secret of my career.

00:25:17.040 Do the opposite of what you just did.

00:25:19.800 That's always what I've done.

00:25:21.260 And if you look at my year rollout, it's, everything is the opposite of the thing that

00:25:25.580 came before it, you know.

00:25:26.700 So what happened at Chappaquiddick?

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00:25:34.560 There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into

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00:25:40.540 And left a woman behind to drown. 0.94

00:25:43.560 There's a famous headline, I think, in the New York Daily News.

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00:30:30.620 What are the big sports ones you're going to do?

00:30:37.540 You know, I just did one.

00:30:38.780 I did the Aaron Hernandez story, which is an American sports story.

00:30:42.580 Of course you did.

00:30:43.280 I forget.

00:30:43.680 You're forgetting.

00:30:44.820 Of course.

00:30:45.460 Come on.

00:30:45.860 But of course it would be Aaron Hernandez.

00:30:47.460 Of course.

00:30:49.080 Jesus.

00:30:49.480 I don't know that I'll be, like, if you ask me.

00:30:52.140 I don't know.

00:30:52.480 Are you talking big game about your sports?

00:30:54.440 I mean, I'm just trying to, you know, connect your life story.

00:30:57.460 My sports thing is my oldest child, who is 12, wants to be Tom Brady, right?

00:31:02.680 He's a big.

00:31:03.700 Of course he's 12.

00:31:04.620 Number 12.

00:31:05.440 Yeah.

00:31:05.760 He's a big footballer.

00:31:07.260 Is he?

00:31:08.280 Yeah.

00:31:08.640 You see, you got Giselle and Brady in your back of your mind.

00:31:11.340 Of course you do.

00:31:11.740 That's right.

00:31:12.160 That's what I wanted to do.

00:31:12.960 Of course you do.

00:31:13.100 I'm not surprised.

00:31:14.280 Do you know him?

00:31:15.400 I mean, yeah.

00:31:15.900 I met him a few times.

00:31:16.920 He seems really cool.

00:31:17.820 See, I mean, he's too perfect.

00:31:19.120 So I'm kind of living my sports life.

00:31:21.000 I'm starting to read his blog every week now.

00:31:23.000 He's got a new blog, Tom Brady, every Monday.

00:31:25.120 It's fantastic.

00:31:25.920 Is it like health and stuff?

00:31:26.440 Like everything he does is fantastic.

00:31:28.000 It's upsetting, actually, at a certain point.

00:31:29.440 What do you mean?

00:31:30.160 No, it's just a really well-researched and written blog he does every week, which is motivating.

00:31:36.220 It's contemporary.

00:31:38.100 It's about health.

00:31:39.260 It's about relationships.

00:31:40.660 His relationship to what he's doing, it's fresh.

00:31:43.860 It's very thoughtful.

00:31:45.460 Yeah.

00:31:45.800 It's excellent.

00:31:46.840 It's just interesting.

00:31:48.000 Do you use his products?

00:31:49.400 I haven't.

00:31:50.020 It's interesting.

00:31:50.800 I've started to notice a few of them started to get promoted.

00:31:53.260 So with your life, this is my last question for you, as high-pressured as you are,

00:31:58.000 what is your secret for keeping it all together?

00:32:02.540 I'm going to answer that.

00:32:03.580 Do you have a morning routine?

00:32:05.680 Does Ryan repeat?

00:32:06.360 I do.

00:32:06.680 My morning routine is I get up, and I have coffee, and no one is allowed to talk to me.

00:32:11.120 Like what?

00:32:11.600 You just hear that guy?

00:32:12.340 I have an hour of quiet reading, meditation.

00:32:15.320 I'm really cranky.

00:32:16.620 And I try and do some...

00:32:18.140 But the kids know how to avoid you?

00:32:19.720 Or do you, I mean, they just avoid you?

00:32:20.920 I go to a room.

00:32:22.080 Yeah, they can't get you.

00:32:22.980 Yeah, you're locked in.

00:32:23.500 I mean, anybody can get me.

00:32:24.740 If you have kids, you know they can always find you.

00:32:26.620 Yeah, as long as they have their devices, they don't need you.

00:32:28.940 But I try and do some movement, you know?

00:32:31.560 What do you mean movement?

00:32:32.100 I try and move, I try and go on a walk, I try and get on a treadmill, I try and walk

00:32:35.640 around.

00:32:36.160 And that's part of that hour.

00:32:36.920 I've got my Apple Watch, I count my steps, I'm very conscious of that.

00:32:39.760 A cup of coffee.

00:32:40.640 What are you eating every morning? 1.00

00:32:42.240 I eat the same boring ass thing. 1.00

00:32:44.280 What do you have? 1.00

00:32:44.780 What do you have?

00:32:44.960 I'm a person of tradition.

00:32:46.340 I have a vegan protein smoothie that has eight fruits in it.

00:32:52.360 I love that.

00:32:54.100 And then I have throughout the day, four to six vegetables.

00:32:57.500 So I really work hard on that.

00:33:00.440 That's fantastic.

00:33:01.320 Yeah, like I get a gold medal, right?

00:33:03.020 Like I work hard.

00:33:03.680 No, that's legit.

00:33:04.240 But it's a practice, like you got to work at it and it's not fun.

00:33:07.640 It's not?

00:33:08.160 You don't enjoy it?

00:33:09.440 I enjoy the tradition of it.

00:33:11.640 It's fine.

00:33:12.640 It's not that weird.

00:33:13.240 It's purple, it looks like blueberries.

00:33:14.520 What do you miss?

00:33:15.240 You miss like bacon and eggs from the back of the world.

00:33:17.820 Oh yeah, pancakes.

00:33:18.820 Yeah, pancakes.

00:33:19.620 But like, what do you do?

00:33:20.540 What's your secret?

00:33:21.400 Until noon, I'm the same thing.

00:33:22.440 I do a smoothie every morning.

00:33:23.500 But you're a big exercise guy.

00:33:24.680 I'm a little bit, three, four days a week.

00:33:26.620 Yeah.

00:33:26.920 Nothing exciting.

00:33:28.620 But no, it's the fruit telling.

00:33:30.640 I'm religious about it for years and years and years.

00:33:33.160 But I love it.

00:33:34.340 Like I can't even imagine not having smoothie or just fruit until, and I say noon, whenever, 1130.

00:33:40.860 You're like a big dinner guy.

00:33:42.940 That's all I care about.

00:33:43.920 Yeah, me too.

00:33:44.360 I live for.

00:33:45.220 Me too.

00:33:45.600 I live for dinner.

00:33:46.600 And I'm in the middle of like a hideous 90-day cleanse, so.

00:33:49.920 Why are you doing that?

00:33:51.240 Because I just came back from vacation and I was like, this is gross.

00:33:54.740 Like, you know, it was too much.

00:33:55.840 Is this vacation supposed to be the?

00:33:57.000 Yeah, but I just felt it was too much.

00:33:58.560 And I'm like, I want to just spend the summer being one with the solstice and try and get

00:34:03.940 in some healthy thing, you know?

00:34:05.800 So an hour of sort of just you time.

00:34:09.600 Me time.

00:34:10.580 And that could also be reading or I stay up late, you know, like I told you.

00:34:14.780 And so I like to, I like to review what I'm getting ready to present to people because

00:34:19.140 it's like being a public, it's like being a public speaker.

00:34:21.800 You walk into a room and I have people who are taking notes and I perform the parts.

00:34:26.880 My job is to have people heading in the same direction.

00:34:29.460 And I've become better at it, I think, in the past year.

00:34:33.420 Are you a better business person than you've ever been before?

00:34:37.140 Or are you still a more creative person?

00:34:40.560 I always used to think I was a lousy business person.

00:34:43.500 But then one day one of my agents said, you know, you're really smart at business.

00:34:48.440 And I was like, what? 0.98

00:34:49.860 You know, I was like, I'm just like a creative person, like a dumb artist. 0.95

00:34:53.740 But I make it a daily practice. 0.72

00:34:56.960 And if I don't make my business a daily practice, I feel bad.

00:35:02.660 I feel guilty.

00:35:04.760 You know, but I'm also like, I'm kind of insane.

00:35:07.400 I have a very, I love collecting art.

00:35:09.120 Like, I love the, I love that kind of stuff.

00:35:11.440 It's a, I love that, you know.

00:35:14.760 Aesthetic, design.

00:35:16.160 It's my favorite thing.

00:35:17.060 That's my hobby, design and art.

00:35:18.740 That's how I, like, I work on a lot of projects like that.

00:35:22.060 I think in another life I would be a landscape designer or something because I love that.

00:35:28.420 I'm very odd.

00:35:30.860 But like, it's producing.

00:35:32.300 I'm producing.

00:35:32.940 I have a vision.

00:35:33.600 I love bringing people together to fight as you do the same fight.

00:35:39.200 It's almost like being a television showrunner is almost like being a governor, you know.

00:35:45.080 It's the same thing.

00:35:46.820 It's exactly the same thing.

00:35:48.120 There's an opening about 18 months, I'm just saying.

00:35:50.820 Can you imagine me as the governor of this year?

00:35:53.300 You have a point of view.

00:35:54.700 I don't know.

00:35:55.220 This is not so bad.

00:35:57.280 What do you think?

00:35:58.500 I don't know if I could do it.

00:35:59.900 It's a good gig.

00:36:00.260 I'll, you know.

00:36:00.900 Let me ask you, what are you going to do next?

00:36:02.480 I don't know.

00:36:02.900 I just, you know, this production thing.

00:36:04.420 You looked down when you said that, by the way.

00:36:05.720 This production writing thing.

00:36:07.860 We should flip like Freaky Friday for a day.

00:36:09.940 You know, the whole thing.

00:36:10.120 I've got a lot of ideas.

00:36:12.140 Do you?

00:36:12.380 A lot of ideas.

00:36:13.240 I've been told you.

00:36:13.880 They could have pitching you.

00:36:14.740 You could run a studio.

00:36:16.400 You have the glamour to run a studio.

00:36:19.000 You could.

00:36:20.100 Jesus.

00:36:20.940 Would you ever want to?

00:36:21.780 I just need a pair of sunglasses.

00:36:23.320 What do you need down here?

00:36:24.260 What do you do?

00:36:25.220 You need a point of view.

00:36:26.760 You need a point of view.

00:36:27.760 And you also need to be able to lead.

00:36:30.700 Love that.

00:36:31.480 Yeah.

00:36:32.180 That's it.

00:36:33.200 People want to be led, man.

00:36:34.360 As you know.

00:36:35.420 You did notice I looked down.

00:36:37.120 I did.

00:36:37.420 That was impressive.

00:36:38.520 Yeah.

00:36:38.920 I am very self-conscious now.

00:36:40.540 Why can't you talk openly about your future and what you want?

00:36:44.200 Is there some day where that will happen?

00:36:45.820 No, I mean, I'm not uncomfortable.

00:36:47.420 I'm just moving around.

00:36:48.300 You're very uncomfortable right now.

00:36:49.820 I'm not fidgeting.

00:36:50.220 Look at me.

00:36:50.660 I haven't moved once.

00:36:50.980 I'm not sweating now.

00:36:53.500 Is there a day where you have given yourself to make a decision about your future without

00:36:57.740 saying what that is?

00:36:58.300 There's no date.

00:36:59.020 I mean, life evolves.

00:37:00.700 You know how it works.

00:37:02.360 It's a, you want to create, you want space.

00:37:04.580 It's not a linear.

00:37:05.400 It's a very hard time to be doing what you're doing.

00:37:07.640 Yeah.

00:37:07.880 It's different.

00:37:08.460 I mean, it's, yeah.

00:37:09.220 There's a lot of, a lot of, I mean, this has gotten serious, very serious, what's going

00:37:14.740 on in D.C.

00:37:15.960 And what's going on here.

00:37:17.060 I mean, you got 5,000 military in the U.S. city.

00:37:21.220 You know, he didn't send military overseas.

00:37:24.300 He said, I'm here in the United States.

00:37:25.340 Do you ever speak to him privately?

00:37:29.720 Yep.

00:37:30.460 Yeah.

00:37:30.660 Because I remember you two having, from what I always heard from you and from people close

00:37:35.720 to him, that you had a very nice relationship.

00:37:37.360 Yep.

00:37:37.640 90 minutes in the Oval Office a few months ago.

00:37:39.880 Yeah.

00:37:40.600 We had a really good conversation. 0.97

00:37:42.080 And then eight hours later, tweets out new scum and then federalizes the National Guard. 0.97

00:37:49.080 It's a hell of a thing. 0.97

00:37:50.260 And of course, no one worked with him more closely as a governor, a Democratic governor

00:37:53.940 than I did during COVID.

00:37:56.440 Yeah.

00:37:57.060 And it, you know, it was extraordinarily collaborative.

00:38:00.520 So it's, it's my mindset is open hand, not a closed fist.

00:38:03.160 But what he's doing now is to vandalize this country and this democracy and just, you know,

00:38:10.740 people out on the streets just going about their day and folks in masks coming up, unmarked

00:38:15.840 cars.

00:38:16.280 Yeah.

00:38:16.580 This is different.

00:38:17.700 This is different.

00:38:18.860 So, you know, when you run for governor, we can talk about some strategies that I think

00:38:23.920 may work.

00:38:24.780 You can run my campaign.

00:38:26.320 Can you imagine?

00:38:27.120 I'm going to run your campaign.

00:38:28.160 I'm going to do the creative.

00:38:29.800 And I'm going to come up, we're going to come up with a slogan.

00:38:32.340 I don't know.

00:38:33.420 But I want this.

00:38:34.120 I think this faith thing could work and it may help.

00:38:36.680 So I need this to come out for the election.

00:38:38.700 Well, I, right.

00:38:40.300 I'm shocked myself.

00:38:41.700 Vampire thing.

00:38:42.200 I may want to push back the production schedule.

00:38:44.640 We'll talk about faith.

00:38:45.680 I'm only going to.

00:38:46.380 We'll talk about reconciliation.

00:38:47.280 I'm only going to send you copies of my shows that are literally the sweetest, kindest.

00:38:53.180 I just don't, no more.

00:38:54.340 I don't need people in refrigerators, half bodies, come on, man. 1.00

00:38:58.020 You may not, but the world does.

00:39:01.000 The world wants it.

00:39:02.640 Deal with it.

00:39:04.620 All right.

00:39:05.000 Listen.

00:39:05.420 I may call you in August before this Menendez decision.

00:39:08.320 I do things like that.

00:39:09.600 It's not about the thing in the refrigerator.

00:39:12.180 It's a question of why is it in the refrigerator?

00:39:14.340 Okay.

00:39:15.680 What happened to somebody?

00:39:17.700 Yeah.

00:39:18.840 No, I get it.

00:39:19.500 It's, you know, I try.

00:39:21.460 No, this is what makes you qualify to be actually governor.

00:39:24.100 It's a human condition.

00:39:25.240 It does sound like the same job.

00:39:26.580 But sincerely, like literally, what is the motivation?

00:39:29.160 The why?

00:39:29.640 What's sort of the essence of the why?

00:39:32.300 Right.

00:39:32.580 That's important.

00:39:33.500 Politicians don't, they don't explore that enough.

00:39:35.540 Well, that brings us back to the Menendez, you know, parole.

00:39:38.560 It's the same thing.

00:39:40.980 Should I watch it before I make the decision?

00:39:43.560 No.

00:39:43.820 I don't want to.

00:39:44.780 You shouldn't.

00:39:45.340 I'm not going to.

00:39:46.340 And I admire you for your daughter not co-opting you into watching.

00:39:50.360 Did she watch it?

00:39:51.180 Yeah.

00:39:51.560 They watched it.

00:39:52.580 And it's they, because there's a few of them, not just one daughter.

00:39:55.180 I mean, they, yeah, come on.

00:39:56.840 It was, this was a cultural phenomenon.

00:39:59.280 Yes.

00:39:59.940 Took off.

00:40:00.620 I mean, they had to be in the know when they went to school.

00:40:03.600 People, the kids, other kids were talking about it.

00:40:05.380 And remarkable.

00:40:06.640 Like, I've not experienced that.

00:40:08.640 Well, I've not experienced that as a father, obviously, and not in the position I'm in where there's real accountability on it.

00:40:14.720 Yeah.

00:40:15.180 I mean, you know, on the positive side, the very idea that it would launch a conversation with your kids is not a bad thing.

00:40:23.020 No, it's great.

00:40:23.940 And I love that they're, and I also.

00:40:25.640 They have a point of view.

00:40:26.460 They have a point of view and allow me to explain how this all works.

00:40:30.760 I mean, the idea that you're talking about with the parole system, commutations, resentencing, what youth offenders under the age of 26, and special dispensation that's offered to youth offenders.

00:40:45.160 And you're talking about your 12, 13-year-old kids is a hell of a thing.

00:40:49.260 So in many ways, it was great educational.

00:40:51.680 It's been a great educational process.

00:40:53.540 Yeah.

00:40:53.860 I can see.

00:40:54.420 I hear that.

00:40:55.360 I feel that.

00:40:56.120 Yeah.

00:40:56.640 I mean, I get so many young people who write me about it.

00:40:59.060 But I guess we'll talk at the end of August.

00:41:01.880 I'm going to talk about when we launch your campaign for governor.

00:41:05.440 California.

00:41:06.040 You have to resign and then run my campaign.

00:41:08.600 I would be the worst.

00:41:10.380 I could never do that.

00:41:11.760 I'm not convinced.

00:41:12.460 I can't even run for mayor of West Hollywood.

00:41:15.080 I can't even do that.

00:41:16.400 I would be too nervous.

00:41:17.500 I mean, you've got farming background.

00:41:19.060 We've got the faith.

00:41:19.960 I mean, everything about this is kind of unrealistic.

00:41:21.180 Maybe I should pray and plant vegetables instead.

00:41:25.920 Thank you for having me.

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00:41:27.260 It was very fun.

00:41:27.820 Thank you.

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