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00:02:44.060 I do want to start talking about Gen Z men.

00:02:45.940 They range from angry to openly nihilist.

00:02:49.260 They can't go back to the status quo, Gavin.

00:02:51.520 They just can't.

00:02:52.260 Seems like the DNC as a whole

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00:03:00.920 This is Gavin Newsom.

00:03:03.220 And this is Brendan Ewing,

00:03:05.540 a.k.a. Atriot.

00:03:07.760 All right, Brendan Ewing.

00:03:09.060 Hey.

00:03:09.340 Welcome, brother.

00:03:10.100 Gavin, pleasure.

00:03:10.720 It's good to be with you,

00:03:11.800 a.k.a. Atriot.

00:03:13.900 You got it right.

00:03:14.640 Your online name,

00:03:16.040 which we'll get to in a minute.

00:03:17.460 And for folks that don't know you,

00:03:19.000 millions of people do

00:03:19.840 because they watch you religiously.

00:03:21.960 You're a rock star on YouTube,

00:03:23.640 content creator,

00:03:25.180 a Twitch live streamer,

00:03:27.080 speed runner.

00:03:27.920 We'll talk about what the heck that means

00:03:29.600 if people are wondering,

00:03:30.340 what am I talking about?

00:03:31.800 But also really focused on building community

00:03:34.120 around marketing,

00:03:35.440 around business.

00:03:36.340 And that's what your background represented,

00:03:38.280 working at Twitch,

00:03:39.560 working at NVIDIA.

00:03:40.680 Yep.

00:03:40.820 We can talk about AI chips,

00:03:42.520 but I really wanted you on

00:03:44.020 because with so much focus

00:03:45.880 on what happened a few weeks ago

00:03:49.800 with Charlie Kirk and Tyler Robinson,

00:03:52.360 the person who's been accused,

00:03:54.020 some of the gaming questions

00:03:55.560 and issues that came up,

00:03:56.680 some of the memes

00:03:57.240 that were allegedly part of some components

00:04:01.460 of the investigation,

00:04:03.280 the broader conversations we're having

00:04:05.200 in this country around the manosphere

00:04:07.160 and what's happening with gaming culture

00:04:08.900 generally,

00:04:10.260 issues of boys and men,

00:04:12.480 everything about this

00:04:13.700 and it kept coming back to you.

00:04:15.440 So I'm great.

00:04:16.360 I hope it didn't all come back to me.

00:04:17.660 I all came back to you

00:04:19.040 as a guy that can explain

00:04:20.940 to unpack all of this stuff.

00:04:23.500 We know,

00:04:24.140 we talked about this before this

00:04:26.040 and I wanted to,

00:04:27.500 first of all,

00:04:28.020 I want to say,

00:04:28.840 you mentioned millions of people

00:04:29.980 might know my stuff,

00:04:31.700 maybe a little less than that,

00:04:32.720 but the people that know me,

00:04:33.860 I think they'll like me.

00:04:34.780 People that don't know me,

00:04:36.040 when they hear content creator

00:04:37.240 or YouTuber or Twitch streamer,

00:04:39.200 I think they have an instant dislike

00:04:40.960 and I don't really blame them.

00:04:43.620 Like,

00:04:43.900 I don't think that's,

00:04:45.120 I think most people have an instant distrust

00:04:47.240 of someone who has that as their job

00:04:48.680 and I get it.

00:04:50.200 So I want to try and get across

00:04:52.440 why people are turning to this,

00:04:54.700 why this is becoming a new form of media

00:04:56.300 and also understand that like,

00:04:57.960 if you don't,

00:04:58.760 if this is not for you,

00:04:59.680 I get it.

00:05:00.420 It's not,

00:05:01.020 yeah.

00:05:01.300 No,

00:05:01.520 but it should be,

00:05:02.300 but people,

00:05:02.820 I mean,

00:05:03.000 it explains more things in more ways

00:05:04.520 on more days,

00:05:05.100 particularly to parents.

00:05:05.920 I mean,

00:05:06.200 I've got four young kids

00:05:07.980 and it's pretty overwhelming

00:05:09.300 the gaming culture that's out there.

00:05:10.880 So,

00:05:11.040 I mean,

00:05:11.260 what is it?

00:05:11.740 I mean,

00:05:11.960 70 plus percent of teenagers

00:05:14.600 are active gamers.

00:05:16.120 Is that?

00:05:16.500 Among men,

00:05:16.980 I assume it's higher.

00:05:17.740 I think it's a lot higher.

00:05:18.280 Even higher,

00:05:18.780 right?

00:05:18.880 Yeah.

00:05:19.340 So I wanted to start with that,

00:05:20.660 you know,

00:05:21.000 and I don't think this is your stance,

00:05:22.420 but it's like really important for me

00:05:23.420 to get across early.

00:05:24.660 It feels like in the wake of what happened

00:05:26.900 with Charlie Kirk,

00:05:27.660 there is a reignition of old,

00:05:30.800 old,

00:05:31.220 old debates around how video games,

00:05:33.260 violent video games are the problem.

00:05:34.640 And I just want to be so clear

00:05:36.320 from my POV and from the POV of my audience,

00:05:39.180 who's again,

00:05:39.640 younger Gen Z men,

00:05:40.780 that's an insane,

00:05:41.980 insane way to look at this.

00:05:43.200 You know,

00:05:43.900 South Korea,

00:05:45.300 Japan,

00:05:45.960 UK,

00:05:46.520 Germany,

00:05:46.960 France,

00:05:47.100 they all have the same rate of video game playing

00:05:49.320 and they have none of the violent crime

00:05:50.640 or a small fraction of the violent crime.

00:05:52.220 That's exactly right.

00:05:52.700 There is no real correlation with it.

00:05:54.940 Yep.

00:05:55.440 So what I'll say is it's an easy scapegoat.

00:05:58.180 It is a really easy scapegoat.

00:05:59.480 Yeah.

00:05:59.600 And we can go into this for a while,

00:06:00.800 but.

00:06:01.400 No,

00:06:01.720 and by the way,

00:06:02.200 full stipulate,

00:06:03.120 could not agree with you more.

00:06:04.460 Okay.

00:06:04.660 As someone that's deeply focused on the issue

00:06:07.040 of gun violence,

00:06:08.880 mass shootings,

00:06:09.820 and all these things,

00:06:10.600 and sort of the lazy punditry

00:06:12.360 that comes back to this gaming culture

00:06:14.480 has been completely debunked 100%.

00:06:16.520 Yeah.

00:06:16.720 So could not agree with that more.

00:06:18.640 Just stipulating an alignment of thinking on that.

00:06:21.320 No,

00:06:21.480 sure.

00:06:21.740 And then,

00:06:22.200 you know,

00:06:23.080 they're now they're saying,

00:06:23.940 I think they're about to haul the head of Reddit

00:06:25.820 and discord and Twitch

00:06:27.400 and all these people in front of Congress.

00:06:29.360 Listen,

00:06:30.160 these,

00:06:32.520 the addiction to these things,

00:06:33.880 and there's some of these addiction.

00:06:34.900 I will say some,

00:06:35.740 some young men are,

00:06:36.820 are spending a large percentage of their time

00:06:38.820 on these platforms.

00:06:39.820 This is a symptom.

00:06:40.600 This is a symptom of them having almost nowhere else to go.

00:06:43.840 And especially when I talk about gaming,

00:06:45.500 the idea that gaming is driving isolation

00:06:48.500 and not isolation is leading to people

00:06:50.200 trying to find an escape or connection through gaming.

00:06:53.560 It's the other way around.

00:06:54.700 I mean,

00:06:54.800 that is what's happening.

00:06:55.820 So I don't know if you,

00:06:57.180 you have children,

00:06:58.160 you have young boys.

00:06:58.960 Four,

00:06:59.100 four young kids.

00:06:59.940 Yeah.

00:07:00.240 Can I ask what age your boys are?

00:07:01.980 Oldest just turned 16.

00:07:03.120 And the two boys,

00:07:04.920 nine and 13.

00:07:06.180 Are they gamers?

00:07:06.860 Are they Roblox?

00:07:07.860 Are they Fortnite?

00:07:08.700 Are they every single day?

00:07:12.120 I am battling,

00:07:13.500 man,

00:07:13.900 battling them on YouTube,

00:07:15.180 watching someone else play Minecraft.

00:07:17.680 Yeah.

00:07:17.980 Watching someone else play a video game.

00:07:20.220 They're obsessed,

00:07:20.860 buddy.

00:07:21.060 And so what I would say is,

00:07:22.080 you know,

00:07:22.420 I assume you do the normal thing parents are doing,

00:07:25.660 especially in SF.

00:07:26.280 They limit screen time,

00:07:27.080 things like that.

00:07:27.480 But to be honest,

00:07:28.420 if you told them they can't play Roblox

00:07:30.760 or they can't play Fortnite,

00:07:31.680 you would make them less socially.

00:07:33.540 Like they are less able to connect to their friends nowadays.

00:07:35.560 Yeah.

00:07:35.840 That is how they're doing.

00:07:36.980 That is,

00:07:37.980 I know it's a generation disconnect,

00:07:40.680 but that is not the problem.

00:07:41.940 The young men that are turning to Discord servers and gaming

00:07:45.660 are trying to find friends and connection.

00:07:47.680 They are logging on after work

00:07:49.260 and hanging out in voice chats with their friend

00:07:50.800 and having a good time.

00:07:52.000 This is like the one thing that's keeping them sane

00:07:54.100 in a world that is going,

00:07:55.560 I think,

00:07:55.780 increasingly insane

00:07:56.560 and not offering them economic opportunities.

00:07:58.340 I love that.

00:07:58.820 Let's unpack,

00:07:59.500 because,

00:07:59.720 you know,

00:07:59.960 I think a lot of people,

00:08:00.940 obviously YouTube people are familiar with.

00:08:03.140 There's a sort of generation though

00:08:04.540 that's heard of Twitch.

00:08:06.280 Yeah.

00:08:06.660 That's heard of Kick.

00:08:07.640 That's heard of Discord,

00:08:08.920 but they don't know what these things are.

00:08:11.160 Reddit maybe people are a little bit more familiar with,

00:08:13.680 but talk to me when I started.

00:08:15.480 I mean,

00:08:15.740 Twitch is sort of a go-to

00:08:17.460 for a lot of folks in the gaming space,

00:08:19.500 but explain what these are,

00:08:21.240 what these platforms represent,

00:08:22.900 how they started,

00:08:24.060 and what they've become.

00:08:25.300 Yeah.

00:08:25.580 So I worked at Twitch

00:08:26.520 right around the time it started.

00:08:28.180 It was a very lucky thing for me

00:08:29.580 because I was a ASU,

00:08:31.360 Arizona State University,

00:08:32.500 the Harvard of the Southwest,

00:08:33.440 they call it,

00:08:34.640 graduate,

00:08:35.960 and,

00:08:36.060 you know,

00:08:36.960 middling grades,

00:08:37.880 and I played a lot of games,

00:08:38.820 and it was very,

00:08:39.620 very lucky that I found this route.

00:08:41.160 into Twitch,

00:08:42.200 which was a website

00:08:43.780 which allowed gamers

00:08:45.020 to broadcast themselves online.

00:08:46.560 That was the idea.

00:08:47.180 I'm playing the game.

00:08:48.440 Maybe I'm particularly good at it.

00:08:49.880 Maybe I'm funny while I play it.

00:08:51.360 And people that also played the game

00:08:52.800 found that to be entertaining,

00:08:54.220 and they would start to build communities

00:08:55.500 and audiences,

00:08:56.000 and it would grow.

00:08:56.640 And tell me,

00:08:57.220 what time were people starting?

00:08:59.040 I mean,

00:08:59.640 was it a particular individual

00:09:01.540 that said,

00:09:02.720 hey,

00:09:02.840 I'm going to put myself online?

00:09:04.180 Was there a moment

00:09:04.900 that marked consciousness of this whole,

00:09:07.180 I mean,

00:09:07.340 because it's become

00:09:07.840 a gigantic business,

00:09:09.160 and we'll get to that

00:09:09.880 in a moment,

00:09:11.060 but was Twitch really the first

00:09:12.580 to really popularize

00:09:13.800 as a platform?

00:09:14.560 Yeah,

00:09:14.880 Twitch was the one

00:09:15.500 that found this niche early.

00:09:18.500 And what years

00:09:19.300 are we talking about?

00:09:19.960 2014-ish.

00:09:21.000 Yeah.

00:09:21.200 That's around when I joined,

00:09:22.980 and it grows,

00:09:23.800 and then around COVID,

00:09:25.320 it explodes.

00:09:25.960 Explodes, yeah.

00:09:26.360 Because everyone's stuck at home,

00:09:27.880 and it just hits the right time

00:09:29.540 in the right place.

00:09:30.080 Let's back up a little bit.

00:09:31.380 You discovered Twitch

00:09:32.740 as someone

00:09:34.240 not just doing content,

00:09:36.100 but someone

00:09:36.480 that was marketing

00:09:37.580 the content.

00:09:38.500 Were you working for Twitch?

00:09:39.180 I never had any interest

00:09:40.300 in doing content myself.

00:09:41.400 I was at Twitch,

00:09:42.620 and they needed someone

00:09:43.500 to go on camera

00:09:44.160 every now and then,

00:09:44.860 and I was the one

00:09:45.500 stupid enough to volunteer.

00:09:46.800 And I got some training,

00:09:48.000 and I was using the program.

00:09:49.240 And you got on camera,

00:09:49.980 and you started doing what?

00:09:50.900 You started explaining

00:09:51.980 the video games themselves?

00:09:54.320 No,

00:09:54.600 you know,

00:09:54.860 here's the thing.

00:09:55.420 So,

00:09:55.800 what I'm saying

00:09:56.780 might sound

00:09:57.460 completely unwatchable

00:09:59.080 to someone

00:09:59.440 who doesn't play video games.

00:10:00.440 Yeah.

00:10:00.580 But over the past,

00:10:01.480 since 2014 to now,

00:10:03.760 the platform has changed

00:10:04.640 dramatically.

00:10:05.200 The biggest thing

00:10:05.760 on the website

00:10:06.180 is not games at all.

00:10:07.300 It's just people

00:10:08.040 talking to the camera

00:10:08.900 about their lives,

00:10:09.900 about the news,

00:10:10.780 about what's going on

00:10:11.520 in the world.

00:10:12.180 People are just using it

00:10:13.060 because it's a real

00:10:13.560 direct connection.

00:10:14.500 Yeah.

00:10:14.840 Okay?

00:10:15.520 And so,

00:10:16.660 that has become the main.

00:10:17.720 The gaming is still

00:10:18.220 a big part of Twitch,

00:10:18.960 but it's into the culture.

00:10:20.860 You might play games

00:10:21.600 a little bit during the day,

00:10:22.260 then switch talking

00:10:22.740 about the news,

00:10:23.140 switch talking about

00:10:23.660 watching YouTube videos.

00:10:24.540 Right.

00:10:24.660 You can do anything.

00:10:25.940 So,

00:10:27.040 that's the path

00:10:28.160 that we went on.

00:10:29.060 Yeah.

00:10:29.220 At the time,

00:10:30.680 I'm sorry,

00:10:30.960 what was your,

00:10:31.280 sorry.

00:10:31.840 No,

00:10:32.180 just at the time,

00:10:33.460 you were,

00:10:33.840 what was the biggest content

00:10:34.980 that was being provided

00:10:35.940 at that time?

00:10:36.600 Was it,

00:10:37.040 was there a particular game

00:10:38.060 that was mostly popularized

00:10:39.580 or that was disproportionately

00:10:41.040 being popularized?

00:10:42.160 Yeah,

00:10:42.240 what blew it up?

00:10:42.540 So,

00:10:42.980 again,

00:10:43.760 first it was COVID

00:10:44.480 and then I would say,

00:10:46.500 you know,

00:10:47.000 celebrities started to go on

00:10:48.320 every now and then

00:10:49.100 and I think Drake played

00:10:50.760 with Ninja,

00:10:51.520 some Fortnite

00:10:52.020 and that,

00:10:52.980 every,

00:10:53.080 every,

00:10:53.320 I was there,

00:10:54.200 I saw every little step

00:10:54.880 would blow Twitch up

00:10:55.800 a little bit more

00:10:56.300 and then it started

00:10:56.800 to get bigger and bigger.

00:10:57.720 Right.

00:10:58.180 But,

00:10:58.540 what I would say

00:10:59.180 is it's spread beyond Twitch now.

00:11:00.520 It's got Kik,

00:11:01.120 it's got YouTube,

00:11:01.880 it's TikTok Live.

00:11:03.760 Right.

00:11:03.860 What I'm saying

00:11:04.200 is people right now

00:11:04.880 are just engaging

00:11:05.840 through content creators

00:11:06.660 because they have

00:11:07.620 this more direct

00:11:08.920 one-to-one connection.

00:11:09.880 Actually,

00:11:10.320 what I'll say

00:11:10.720 what it is is,

00:11:12.220 and you probably deal

00:11:14.040 with this as a challenge

00:11:14.720 when you're trying to speak.

00:11:16.060 People are very,

00:11:17.300 very tired

00:11:18.860 of inauthenticity.

00:11:20.020 Yeah.

00:11:20.280 That's what I feel.

00:11:21.360 People feel like

00:11:21.960 everyone's out

00:11:22.560 to sell them something,

00:11:23.520 everyone's out to get them

00:11:24.240 and even content creators

00:11:25.160 are doing this.

00:11:25.980 Yeah.

00:11:26.320 But,

00:11:26.720 they're trying to find

00:11:27.840 somebody they can trust.

00:11:29.160 That is the main thing.

00:11:30.260 Right.

00:11:30.580 Is trust.

00:11:31.320 And so,

00:11:31.620 you're saying kids

00:11:32.220 are going online

00:11:32.960 and they end up

00:11:33.900 looking for that.

00:11:34.500 They see someone

00:11:35.180 they can identify with

00:11:36.560 through a medium

00:11:37.680 that they're already

00:11:38.420 identified with.

00:11:39.360 Yeah.

00:11:39.480 a game

00:11:40.120 that they have in common

00:11:41.220 or interests

00:11:42.000 that they have in common.

00:11:43.960 And so,

00:11:44.600 Twitch figured this thing out.

00:11:46.960 And you made

00:11:47.900 an important point.

00:11:48.580 Twitch is not just

00:11:49.740 a platform exclusively

00:11:50.740 for gaming.

00:11:51.520 Not even close.

00:11:52.100 The biggest thing

00:11:52.540 on the platform

00:11:52.880 is not gaming.

00:11:53.740 I think that's a shock

00:11:55.300 to some people,

00:11:55.880 but it really is

00:11:56.580 just people talking.

00:11:57.320 People having fun.

00:11:57.920 And it's these sort of

00:11:59.100 areas of interest

00:12:00.380 where you get into

00:12:01.240 these group chats

00:12:02.280 and there's sort of

00:12:03.220 an interactivity.

00:12:04.200 People are engaged

00:12:05.000 in a two-way conversation,

00:12:06.800 not just one.

00:12:07.200 Yeah.

00:12:07.660 Yeah, it's live.

00:12:08.360 I mean,

00:12:08.600 at a big enough chat,

00:12:09.760 you're not really

00:12:10.120 talking one-to-one,

00:12:11.060 but the idea is

00:12:12.080 people feel like

00:12:12.700 their voice is somewhat

00:12:13.560 being heard.

00:12:14.420 And what's the difference

00:12:15.240 between Twitch and Discord?

00:12:17.340 So Discord is just

00:12:18.320 a chat room.

00:12:19.120 And that's why

00:12:19.420 it's kind of funny.

00:12:20.360 You know,

00:12:21.180 there's a lot of,

00:12:21.940 among Gen Z,

00:12:23.480 there's these memes

00:12:24.220 going around

00:12:24.880 about people getting

00:12:26.180 messages from their parents.

00:12:27.160 I heard you're using Discord.

00:12:28.060 Were you talking to this?

00:12:29.720 It's just a chat.

00:12:30.880 Nobody is,

00:12:32.100 it's your own private

00:12:33.060 little room

00:12:33.440 with your friends.

00:12:34.220 Discord is the platform.

00:12:35.060 It's like saying,

00:12:35.880 I heard you're using

00:12:36.740 an iPhone.

00:12:37.620 Did the killer

00:12:38.540 use an iPhone?

00:12:39.180 Did you,

00:12:39.740 you know what I'm saying?

00:12:40.120 It's just a,

00:12:40.860 you're not in the same group.

00:12:43.100 And you're referring to,

00:12:44.480 because there was,

00:12:45.200 I mean,

00:12:45.520 you hear about Discord

00:12:47.180 often in the context

00:12:48.640 of some of these

00:12:49.640 more high-profile instances.

00:12:51.740 Yeah.

00:12:51.920 Obviously,

00:12:52.460 this Tyler Robinson

00:12:53.240 is accused of,

00:12:54.820 accused of shooting

00:12:56.520 Charlie Kirk,

00:12:57.880 used a Discord.

00:12:59.340 Yeah,

00:12:59.720 but he used a Discord

00:13:00.620 chat room

00:13:01.360 with his friends.

00:13:02.300 Nobody else is,

00:13:02.800 it's,

00:13:03.040 you know,

00:13:03.200 and it's,

00:13:03.620 any medium

00:13:04.800 could have done this.

00:13:05.920 The idea that Discord

00:13:07.120 is uniquely,

00:13:09.300 brewing people like this

00:13:10.400 is unsubstantiated.

00:13:12.840 Got it.

00:13:13.340 So the gaming area,

00:13:14.620 the gaming,

00:13:15.160 most of the gaming platforms,

00:13:16.360 YouTube's sort of

00:13:17.380 dominant in this space.

00:13:18.460 Yeah.

00:13:18.740 Along with Twitch,

00:13:19.620 who else is sort of

00:13:20.400 emerging in the gaming space

00:13:22.340 as the platform,

00:13:23.700 the sort of to-go platform?

00:13:25.180 Yeah,

00:13:25.460 I would say YouTube

00:13:26.180 and Twitch

00:13:26.600 is the vast,

00:13:29.140 vast majority

00:13:29.740 of people doing this.

00:13:30.840 You could talk about

00:13:31.560 Kick,

00:13:31.920 you could talk about Rumble,

00:13:32.820 you could talk about

00:13:33.140 the more fringe,

00:13:34.840 wild ones,

00:13:35.500 but Twitch and YouTube.

00:13:37.280 And YouTube is

00:13:37.800 the 800-pound gorilla

00:13:39.000 in the space.

00:13:39.580 It really is mostly YouTube.

00:13:40.680 That's where people are getting it.

00:13:41.200 That's where I'm putting out

00:13:41.840 my content online.

00:13:42.700 That's where most people

00:13:43.800 are getting it.

00:13:44.460 And so you started

00:13:45.300 just as,

00:13:46.340 you just were there

00:13:47.840 in Arizona.

00:13:48.600 You're just getting good

00:13:49.440 on games.

00:13:50.260 You just,

00:13:50.580 you know,

00:13:51.180 you just found

00:13:51.580 just sort of a proclivity

00:13:52.460 for it.

00:13:53.080 You're loving it.

00:13:53.900 You remember the first game

00:13:54.880 you were like deep into,

00:13:56.140 like you're just obsessed with it.

00:13:57.280 Okay,

00:13:57.580 well now here's what I want to say

00:13:58.580 is like,

00:13:59.840 this is me in Arizona.

00:14:01.100 I've graduated.

00:14:01.900 I'm trying to find a job.

00:14:03.980 I had okay grades

00:14:05.580 and the college

00:14:06.420 is not some incredible degree.

00:14:07.840 Okay?

00:14:08.240 So I'm figuring it out.

00:14:10.320 And thanks to a lucky opportunity

00:14:12.120 and thanks to the economy

00:14:13.300 being in a better spot

00:14:14.300 at the time,

00:14:15.100 I get this last chopper

00:14:16.940 out of NOM it feels like.

00:14:18.180 Where I get a decent chance

00:14:20.280 to go off

00:14:22.140 and make enough money

00:14:23.260 to now I can,

00:14:24.280 you know,

00:14:24.840 I'm married,

00:14:25.360 I have a house

00:14:26.680 that I'm paying down

00:14:27.460 it's expensive

00:14:27.880 but so

00:14:28.740 I have friends now

00:14:30.940 who are younger than me

00:14:31.740 that are,

00:14:32.160 like I have a friend

00:14:33.000 who's graduating from Berkeley

00:14:34.240 computer science,

00:14:36.020 smart guy.

00:14:37.020 He's graduating

00:14:37.800 in an environment

00:14:38.480 that is a hundred times harder

00:14:40.680 to get a job

00:14:41.340 than it was in 2014,

00:14:42.460 2015.

00:14:43.080 It's not his fault.

00:14:43.980 He didn't do anything different.

00:14:45.100 So that is going to make him

00:14:46.960 more likely to be nihilistic.

00:14:49.580 It's more likely to make him

00:14:50.740 disengage from the system,

00:14:52.500 more likely to make him angry

00:14:53.700 at politicians left and right.

00:14:55.520 It's just,

00:14:55.820 it's not,

00:14:57.360 it's tough to say that like,

00:14:59.540 I just find it,

00:15:00.340 and you're not doing this

00:15:01.040 but I'm saying

00:15:01.480 I'm finding it frustrating

00:15:02.580 the endless pointing to Discord,

00:15:06.260 Reddit, Twitch.

00:15:08.240 This has nothing to do with it.

00:15:09.660 It is the situation

00:15:10.680 where people are more

00:15:12.620 and more desperate

00:15:13.340 for a direction to go.

00:15:15.620 So yeah,

00:15:15.920 I can tell you about a game I played.

00:15:17.020 I mean,

00:15:17.240 I played,

00:15:17.680 I played,

00:15:18.240 I wasted my college

00:15:19.420 on a game like League of Legends.

00:15:20.640 I wasted,

00:15:21.500 you know,

00:15:21.860 but I,

00:15:22.380 but you didn't waste your,

00:15:24.060 because you created a career.

00:15:25.520 I got lucky,

00:15:26.360 Gavin.

00:15:26.740 I don't think that's,

00:15:28.420 and what I do now

00:15:29.660 has almost nothing to do with gaming,

00:15:31.000 I'll be honest with you.

00:15:31.620 My audience hates when I game.

00:15:33.760 That's all right.

00:15:34.400 But you're a world record holder,

00:15:36.040 just so people have an understanding

00:15:37.380 who we're talking to here.

00:15:39.040 Yeah.

00:15:39.200 You crushed it,

00:15:40.320 world record holder,

00:15:41.560 what,

00:15:41.840 for Hitman, right?

00:15:42.640 Yeah,

00:15:42.920 there's a game called Hitman

00:15:43.880 where you,

00:15:44.500 you know,

00:15:45.200 you're flying around

00:15:46.220 and I,

00:15:46.780 listen,

00:15:47.000 I,

00:15:47.240 I,

00:15:47.720 that is a time of my life

00:15:49.400 where I was,

00:15:50.560 here,

00:15:50.760 I started doing this

00:15:51.560 when I was working at NVIDIA,

00:15:52.580 I was working some insane hours.

00:15:53.860 Right.

00:15:54.100 And I wanted to come home

00:15:54.840 and disengage.

00:15:55.780 I wanted to just play video games

00:15:56.940 and I wanted some friends

00:15:57.940 in the chat to do it.

00:15:58.820 Yeah.

00:15:59.040 That did pretty well

00:15:59.900 and it started to take off.

00:16:01.160 Then after COVID,

00:16:01.840 I started talking about,

00:16:03.480 you know,

00:16:03.720 I'm an avid reader.

00:16:04.760 I'm reading the news every day

00:16:05.760 and I want to talk,

00:16:06.280 I just give my thoughts.

00:16:07.340 That started to take off

00:16:08.500 and eventually that was enough

00:16:09.380 that I could leave a job

00:16:10.120 that was really stable

00:16:10.960 and good at NVIDIA

00:16:11.760 to try and do this full time.

00:16:16.220 You were working for

00:16:16.620 one of the great chip companies

00:16:18.060 on planet Earth.

00:16:19.000 Yeah.

00:16:19.260 And now one of the biggest

00:16:20.000 market cap companies

00:16:20.940 quite literally

00:16:21.640 in the world.

00:16:22.840 Yeah.

00:16:23.420 And,

00:16:23.880 and,

00:16:24.180 and you started making

00:16:25.040 the kind of money

00:16:25.740 that you said,

00:16:26.320 man,

00:16:26.460 I'm just full time now.

00:16:27.720 Yeah.

00:16:28.020 On this.

00:16:28.720 I was full,

00:16:29.300 yeah.

00:16:29.440 Nothing majority

00:16:30.220 about a content creator,

00:16:31.340 quite the contrary.

00:16:32.300 It's just the opposite.

00:16:33.300 I don't know.

00:16:33.740 I mean,

00:16:33.940 no,

00:16:34.200 it's,

00:16:34.380 you're an entrepreneur,

00:16:35.280 you're a small business person.

00:16:36.520 You put something out there,

00:16:37.920 took a risk.

00:16:39.020 You're on a platform,

00:16:40.180 you're taking a passion,

00:16:41.600 you're sharing it

00:16:42.680 in a very public way.

00:16:44.020 You're building an audience,

00:16:45.060 marketing it.

00:16:45.780 I mean,

00:16:45.920 that's pretty,

00:16:46.460 I appreciate everything

00:16:47.580 you're saying

00:16:48.000 and it's nice of you to say,

00:16:48.960 but there,

00:16:50.120 as with all things,

00:16:50.960 there's some aspect

00:16:51.620 of hard work

00:16:52.120 and some aspect of luck

00:16:52.900 and there's a,

00:16:53.520 and the idea that

00:16:55.380 this is the path

00:16:56.220 that everyone could just,

00:16:57.300 you know,

00:16:57.560 I,

00:16:58.080 I,

00:16:58.420 I can think of so many times

00:16:59.720 things could have gone

00:17:00.160 a different way

00:17:00.720 and I'll be in a different spot.

00:17:02.660 And you'll acknowledge,

00:17:03.800 I mean,

00:17:03.940 and I think it's just

00:17:04.900 important to illuminate.

00:17:05.780 I mean,

00:17:05.980 but a lot of people

00:17:06.980 are finding this path,

00:17:08.160 right?

00:17:08.420 I mean,

00:17:08.600 this is becoming

00:17:09.760 the opportunity.

00:17:10.520 You've got to bar lately,

00:17:11.280 I mean,

00:17:13.800 I'm not,

00:17:14.260 we'll see what happens,

00:17:15.480 but in terms of my future,

00:17:16.860 Jesus,

00:17:17.520 but it's,

00:17:17.920 no,

00:17:18.080 but it's,

00:17:18.380 but it's interesting to me.

00:17:19.320 I mean,

00:17:19.480 it's,

00:17:19.720 I think it's people

00:17:20.560 just to understand

00:17:21.540 and absorb

00:17:22.280 sort of this digital

00:17:23.860 first experience.

00:17:25.060 I mean,

00:17:25.460 there's a whole generation

00:17:26.420 that frankly,

00:17:28.120 they,

00:17:28.320 they're digital.

00:17:29.200 Obviously we talk about

00:17:29.960 digital immigrants

00:17:30.580 versus digital natives

00:17:31.560 in sort of a lazy vernacular,

00:17:33.620 but this whole digital

00:17:35.040 first experience

00:17:35.880 is,

00:17:36.160 is radically changing

00:17:37.460 everything,

00:17:38.220 including sports.

00:17:39.140 And we're going to get to that

00:17:40.060 in a moment,

00:17:40.860 but,

00:17:41.160 but,

00:17:41.260 the gaming culture

00:17:42.660 is real.

00:17:43.640 It's growing.

00:17:44.500 You've got stadiums now

00:17:45.840 quite literally filled

00:17:47.800 physical stadiums

00:17:48.920 with people watching

00:17:50.300 these e-sports

00:17:51.140 and other people

00:17:53.460 playing games

00:17:54.620 to a degree

00:17:55.720 that I don't think

00:17:56.340 most people fully absorb

00:17:57.760 or understand.

00:17:58.600 Yeah,

00:17:58.920 that's how I started.

00:17:59.680 I went to a study abroad

00:18:00.980 in South Korea

00:18:01.780 and they had these

00:18:02.660 big tournaments

00:18:03.440 and I was blown away

00:18:04.600 and I was like,

00:18:05.060 let's get this in America.

00:18:06.260 Let's start.

00:18:07.320 It happened without me,

00:18:08.100 but I came back

00:18:08.960 and started to work

00:18:09.580 in that space

00:18:10.160 and that blew up.

00:18:11.080 But again,

00:18:11.780 I can't tell you enough.

00:18:14.420 This,

00:18:15.460 like the e-sports

00:18:16.140 is really a small part

00:18:17.540 of what is becoming

00:18:18.460 this online

00:18:20.180 influencer first culture.

00:18:22.540 If you were to spend

00:18:23.200 some time browsing Twitch,

00:18:24.040 you would not see

00:18:24.980 as much gaming

00:18:26.100 as you're thinking.

00:18:26.760 It really is people

00:18:28.480 just looking for

00:18:29.800 human connection,

00:18:31.100 humans to talk to.

00:18:32.220 And I'm not saying

00:18:33.180 this is all a good thing.

00:18:33.980 I'm not saying

00:18:34.480 everyone should be spending

00:18:35.280 all their time

00:18:36.020 on these platforms.

00:18:36.860 I am just saying

00:18:37.860 that it's a very natural response

00:18:40.000 to things getting more expensive,

00:18:42.300 to looking for,

00:18:42.860 to finding people

00:18:43.660 who share some similar values

00:18:44.920 or ideas as you

00:18:45.820 across the world.

00:18:46.940 No,

00:18:47.720 I love that.

00:18:48.280 I want to get to all that

00:18:49.060 because there's

00:18:50.320 those deep issues,

00:18:51.700 generational issues

00:18:52.440 that we've been talking

00:18:54.380 about on the podcast

00:18:55.040 with a number of people

00:18:55.800 in the past

00:18:56.320 and it's off the chart,

00:18:58.040 particularly for men.

00:18:59.360 And so I just want

00:19:00.200 to unpack it a little bit more

00:19:01.100 just, again,

00:19:01.620 for people that are not fully,

00:19:03.680 that just don't have

00:19:04.800 the level of understanding

00:19:06.340 the space.

00:19:07.100 But you talk about e-sports

00:19:08.220 and I just think

00:19:08.760 it's an interesting space

00:19:11.160 in this context.

00:19:11.980 You say it's a relatively

00:19:12.760 small space,

00:19:13.600 but it's not a small amount

00:19:14.740 of investment

00:19:15.320 that it seems people are making.

00:19:16.960 I was just reading

00:19:17.540 about Michael Jordan,

00:19:19.100 Shaquille O'Neal,

00:19:20.060 Beckham,

00:19:20.820 folks putting tens

00:19:22.280 of millions of dollars

00:19:23.180 into e-sports teams.

00:19:26.460 I mean,

00:19:26.820 this thing's growing.

00:19:28.080 Yeah,

00:19:28.380 but what I'll tell you

00:19:29.140 is,

00:19:29.560 being dead honest,

00:19:30.460 Gavin,

00:19:30.700 a lot of them

00:19:31.100 are going to lose

00:19:31.520 their shirt on this.

00:19:33.220 You know,

00:19:34.340 I've been around

00:19:34.820 the e-sports space a while

00:19:35.800 and a lot of people

00:19:36.640 have gotten burned.

00:19:37.620 The problem is

00:19:38.300 it's really hard

00:19:38.840 to monetize the user.

00:19:40.120 They love watching it.

00:19:41.580 They love watching it

00:19:42.240 for free.

00:19:43.460 There's not a lot

00:19:44.820 of in-person stadium

00:19:45.660 buying merch going.

00:19:47.040 The business economics

00:19:47.980 of e-sports are interesting.

00:19:49.420 It is growing

00:19:50.260 in terms of viewership

00:19:51.160 and it'll get there.

00:19:52.380 But they got way ahead

00:19:53.580 of their skis,

00:19:54.100 I think.

00:19:54.380 A lot of people

00:19:54.860 are coming down

00:19:56.140 off the highs.

00:19:56.780 It was one of those things.

00:19:57.720 Almost every business,

00:19:58.620 there's some story

00:19:59.200 about 2021.

00:20:00.100 It was crazy.

00:20:01.460 And then it's,

00:20:02.240 that's happening

00:20:02.840 with these people.

00:20:03.140 It was at a peak

00:20:04.480 2021.

00:20:04.940 Yeah,

00:20:05.180 2021,

00:20:05.860 it was like you could,

00:20:06.900 the salaries were insane.

00:20:08.140 They were getting paid

00:20:08.700 absurd amounts

00:20:09.480 for these players

00:20:10.120 to sit in the room

00:20:10.840 and play games.

00:20:11.580 It's less now.

00:20:12.500 You know,

00:20:12.680 it's,

00:20:12.960 it's,

00:20:13.700 and I,

00:20:14.400 you know,

00:20:14.620 Rick Fox of the Lakers

00:20:15.620 put a bunch of money

00:20:16.340 into a team,

00:20:16.980 lost,

00:20:17.360 you know,

00:20:17.700 had to get out.

00:20:18.380 And I'm saying,

00:20:19.220 it'll happen,

00:20:20.820 but I'm not going

00:20:21.500 to be one of those guys

00:20:22.080 that's like e-sports

00:20:22.720 is right here,

00:20:23.700 get your money.

00:20:24.220 You know,

00:20:24.420 it's,

00:20:24.680 it's a grassroots thing.

00:20:25.960 It's growing.

00:20:26.680 And so you're,

00:20:27.280 what's interesting about you

00:20:28.500 is not only your history

00:20:29.940 and,

00:20:30.260 and,

00:20:30.960 and,

00:20:31.360 and how you've evolved

00:20:32.800 in terms of your own

00:20:33.580 career path

00:20:34.260 and,

00:20:35.460 and going into these

00:20:36.520 aspects and disciplines,

00:20:37.500 but the marketing background

00:20:39.100 and the business background

00:20:40.020 and the work you're doing

00:20:40.820 on a new podcast,

00:20:42.220 Lemonade,

00:20:42.920 it was Lemonade Stand.

00:20:43.580 Lemonade Stand.

00:20:44.300 And you're talking about

00:20:45.260 business and branding,

00:20:46.200 et cetera,

00:20:46.400 but you mentioned just

00:20:47.420 in,

00:20:48.060 in reference and passing

00:20:49.180 something that I think

00:20:50.120 is interesting

00:20:50.700 and,

00:20:51.060 and for folks again

00:20:52.080 may not be familiar with

00:20:53.060 on Fortnite in particular,

00:20:54.580 which I just remember

00:20:55.440 my kids

00:20:55.960 watching religiously

00:20:57.280 to your point

00:20:57.900 during COVID

00:20:58.940 excessively as a parent

00:21:01.200 from my perspective,

00:21:03.180 but from their perspective

00:21:04.920 they were,

00:21:05.700 I just got on it,

00:21:06.620 Dad,

00:21:06.780 what do you mean?

00:21:07.320 I've only been on

00:21:07.820 for two minutes.

00:21:08.820 But I remember

00:21:09.420 turning it on one day

00:21:10.340 and they're listening

00:21:10.840 to a concert.

00:21:11.460 I'm like,

00:21:11.700 what are you guys

00:21:12.080 listening to?

00:21:12.620 It's like,

00:21:13.040 I think it was Marshmallow

00:21:14.020 or.

00:21:14.420 Oh yeah,

00:21:14.760 they did concerts.

00:21:15.480 Yeah,

00:21:15.640 no.

00:21:15.860 And so,

00:21:16.400 and that fascinated me

00:21:17.640 to this integration

00:21:18.560 for live concerts

00:21:20.100 that Travis Scott

00:21:21.160 did is,

00:21:21.900 I think Ariana Grande

00:21:22.780 may have done one.

00:21:24.400 Also brands,

00:21:25.540 right?

00:21:25.780 I mean,

00:21:25.980 you got Nike

00:21:26.580 now working on those

00:21:28.220 and those

00:21:28.620 platforms,

00:21:29.280 Louis Vuitton.

00:21:30.480 I mean,

00:21:30.960 tell me a little bit

00:21:31.560 about that.

00:21:32.120 Give us a sense

00:21:32.720 of what that

00:21:33.720 integration as well.

00:21:34.820 Yeah,

00:21:34.960 I mean,

00:21:35.240 it is as crazy

00:21:38.020 as it can sound

00:21:38.860 from someone outside of it.

00:21:40.000 It's people all over the world

00:21:41.160 in a digital world

00:21:42.040 watching these concerts together.

00:21:43.040 They can see each other.

00:21:43.880 They're jumping around.

00:21:44.500 They're having a good time.

00:21:45.540 And it's just becoming

00:21:46.980 where the culture,

00:21:47.620 that is where

00:21:48.460 I think there is such a line

00:21:50.380 if you grew with it

00:21:51.060 or you didn't.

00:21:52.040 And,

00:21:52.300 and I think that is

00:21:54.460 what allows me

00:21:55.480 to talk about other things

00:21:56.420 with the lingo

00:21:57.380 and the references

00:21:58.420 that they use

00:21:59.760 because it's just something

00:22:00.960 they're native to.

00:22:01.900 Right.

00:22:02.200 A hundred percent.

00:22:02.860 But,

00:22:03.260 you know,

00:22:04.920 I think people will,

00:22:05.900 will come around to it.

00:22:08.340 I,

00:22:08.540 you know,

00:22:08.880 here's an example

00:22:09.640 for e-sports.

00:22:11.900 All of the biggest ways

00:22:13.860 to watch it

00:22:14.500 are not,

00:22:15.080 you know how you watch

00:22:15.820 the NFL

00:22:16.360 through the NFL's

00:22:17.240 official broadcast.

00:22:17.740 Right.

00:22:18.860 Or a pirated version

00:22:19.920 if you're young.

00:22:20.440 But you're watching

00:22:20.880 the official commentators.

00:22:22.000 Right.

00:22:23.020 For e-sports,

00:22:23.880 it doesn't happen that way.

00:22:25.020 They make an official broadcast

00:22:26.160 and then a million people

00:22:27.300 will restream it

00:22:28.160 and have their own commentary.

00:22:29.380 And those guys

00:22:30.260 get way more viewers

00:22:31.440 than the official broadcast.

00:22:32.500 Right.

00:22:32.700 And we're starting to see

00:22:33.520 that happen with sports

00:22:34.460 where they'll have like

00:22:35.680 the Manning cast

00:22:36.400 for the NFL.

00:22:37.600 A lot of rights issues

00:22:38.600 are in the way,

00:22:39.140 but eventually they're going

00:22:39.780 to crack the code

00:22:40.620 because the average person

00:22:42.120 wants to see this stuff

00:22:43.420 filtered through someone

00:22:44.220 they trust and understand

00:22:45.480 and is speaking to them

00:22:46.320 like a regular person.

00:22:47.200 Right.

00:22:47.500 That's going to happen

00:22:48.120 in sports.

00:22:48.480 It's going to happen

00:22:48.820 all over.

00:22:49.480 The democratization

00:22:50.640 of all this stuff

00:22:51.840 is happening

00:22:53.300 and it is reaching sports now

00:22:55.280 and it's going to happen

00:22:56.520 to things you understand

00:22:57.340 as well.

00:22:57.940 But yeah,

00:22:59.800 it's weird seeing it live.

00:23:01.220 You know,

00:23:01.500 gaming has been

00:23:02.200 on the cutting edge of this

00:23:03.160 because,

00:23:03.960 again,

00:23:04.460 back to my original point,

00:23:05.200 it's just where people

00:23:05.860 are finding friends

00:23:06.820 and connections

00:23:07.140 where they can find it.

00:23:07.920 Right.

00:23:08.460 It's filling a void

00:23:09.600 that they need filled.

00:23:10.580 So let's go back to that

00:23:12.120 and we'll go back

00:23:12.800 to your reference

00:23:13.660 sort of these moments

00:23:14.760 that sort of mark

00:23:15.500 the accelerant

00:23:16.620 and obviously COVID

00:23:17.920 was just off the charts

00:23:19.280 in terms of just

00:23:20.000 people trying to connect,

00:23:21.520 feeling totally isolated,

00:23:22.680 disconnected,

00:23:23.120 and they can find

00:23:24.160 those relationships online.

00:23:25.360 They can find those

00:23:26.020 groups of interest.

00:23:27.380 They can literally

00:23:28.320 develop friendships

00:23:29.200 and relationships online

00:23:31.260 that they otherwise

00:23:32.260 wouldn't have had

00:23:33.220 necessarily the opportunity,

00:23:34.200 particularly during COVID.

00:23:35.440 Yeah.

00:23:35.580 Talk to me about,

00:23:36.400 you know,

00:23:36.640 those years.

00:23:37.680 You talk about 2021

00:23:38.860 representing sort of

00:23:40.240 a peak of consciousness,

00:23:41.720 but what do you see

00:23:43.500 start to really take shape

00:23:44.720 during those COVID years?

00:23:46.240 I mean,

00:23:46.760 so after 2020,

00:23:50.100 there's a lot of new money,

00:23:51.860 both from Trump and Biden

00:23:53.340 floating around the economy.

00:23:54.640 They both did a lot

00:23:55.760 of stimulus and printing

00:23:56.880 and that went into tech startups

00:23:59.640 and that went into eSports

00:24:02.060 and that went into Twitch

00:24:03.200 and that went into all this stuff.

00:24:05.020 And there was a lot of it

00:24:05.980 floating around.

00:24:06.540 There was,

00:24:07.340 you know,

00:24:07.600 I remember there was

00:24:08.900 the GameStop stock craze

00:24:10.380 and everyone wanted

00:24:10.960 to find someone

00:24:11.520 to watch on that.

00:24:12.400 And that was,

00:24:13.400 these things became

00:24:14.320 cultural flashpoints

00:24:15.240 that were taking place

00:24:15.900 entirely online.

00:24:16.940 And then after 2021,

00:24:19.000 we started to get inflation,

00:24:20.780 a lot of inflation

00:24:21.540 that made doing things

00:24:23.240 that weren't online

00:24:24.100 more expensive

00:24:24.860 and more difficult.

00:24:25.900 That's combined with COVID.

00:24:27.600 And so these things,

00:24:28.660 I think,

00:24:29.000 combine to push people

00:24:30.380 more into online spaces

00:24:32.460 than perhaps natural law

00:24:34.680 would dictate.

00:24:35.220 I mean,

00:24:35.380 that is what happened.

00:24:36.640 And so it's good and bad.

00:24:38.820 You know,

00:24:38.940 as a content creator,

00:24:40.600 COVID was exposure

00:24:42.580 to an entirely new audience.

00:24:43.600 It grew a lot bigger.

00:24:44.520 But it's not,

00:24:45.140 I wouldn't say

00:24:45.520 it was a good thing

00:24:46.280 for overall.

00:24:47.400 You know,

00:24:47.660 that's not how I'd frame it.

00:24:49.640 In what way is it not?

00:24:51.420 I mean,

00:24:51.760 the unhealthy aspects

00:24:53.400 are what?

00:24:53.760 You try to get offline

00:24:55.000 so you can get back

00:24:56.020 into a line

00:24:57.120 and reconnect with people

00:24:58.160 back in the real world.

00:24:59.200 I mean,

00:24:59.740 in what way was it?

00:25:01.360 What I'm saying is

00:25:02.040 I think people,

00:25:02.960 people want to do that naturally.

00:25:06.280 Yeah.

00:25:06.460 They just can't.

00:25:07.460 They just,

00:25:07.860 it is just more difficult.

00:25:09.660 You know,

00:25:10.080 I don't know

00:25:11.360 if we want to get to it now,

00:25:12.500 but I do want to start

00:25:13.640 talking about Gen Z men.

00:25:14.960 Yeah.

00:25:15.460 And

00:25:15.820 the issue I'm seeing,

00:25:19.460 not all of them are like,

00:25:20.260 it's a broad,

00:25:20.960 diverse group,

00:25:21.340 of course.

00:25:21.960 And it's a huge point

00:25:23.060 in my audience.

00:25:23.460 And I'm hearing them,

00:25:24.140 I'm hearing their,

00:25:24.740 their thoughts a lot.

00:25:26.740 They range from

00:25:29.060 angry

00:25:30.040 to openly nihilistic.

00:25:32.160 And the nihilism

00:25:33.160 is what's coming,

00:25:34.560 is what I sense

00:25:35.700 growing a little bit

00:25:36.680 where they're disillusioned.

00:25:37.760 You know,

00:25:37.960 I think around

00:25:38.880 22,

00:25:40.640 three,

00:25:40.940 four,

00:25:41.260 you probably saw this

00:25:42.060 on the political side.

00:25:42.860 They drifted more conservative

00:25:44.300 because they thought

00:25:45.100 that would be

00:25:45.760 the solution.

00:25:46.860 Right.

00:25:47.000 And as Donald Trump

00:25:47.700 has proven to be

00:25:48.340 not the answer

00:25:49.140 to any of their problems,

00:25:49.820 and in fact,

00:25:50.100 making a lot of them worse,

00:25:51.040 making the inflation worse,

00:25:52.420 making the economy worse,

00:25:53.300 making,

00:25:53.880 then they are now

00:25:54.900 just drifting into open nihilism.

00:25:56.440 And that is what I'm saying.

00:25:57.880 And I'm not,

00:25:59.360 to blame that

00:26:00.280 on the methods

00:26:02.380 they're using

00:26:02.960 to try and not be that

00:26:04.120 is crazy.

00:26:04.840 It's not,

00:26:05.160 that's not the issue.

00:26:05.880 It's not the discord.

00:26:06.700 It's not the,

00:26:07.360 yeah.

00:26:07.880 Right.

00:26:08.440 No, I appreciate that.

00:26:10.540 Dad had the strong belief

00:26:12.180 that the devil

00:26:12.920 was attacking us.

00:26:14.420 Two brothers,

00:26:15.400 one devout household,

00:26:16.920 two radically different paths.

00:26:19.000 Gabe Ortiz

00:26:19.600 became one of the highest

00:26:20.720 ranking law enforcement

00:26:21.660 officers in Texas.

00:26:23.040 32 years,

00:26:24.080 total law enforcement

00:26:24.820 experience.

00:26:25.320 But his brother Larry,

00:26:26.860 he stayed behind

00:26:27.700 and built an entirely

00:26:28.880 different legacy.

00:26:30.040 He was the head

00:26:31.200 of this gang

00:26:32.240 and nobody was going

00:26:33.580 to tell him what to do.

00:26:34.580 You're going to push

00:26:35.000 that line for the cause.

00:26:36.340 Took us under his wing

00:26:37.360 and showed us

00:26:38.580 the game,

00:26:39.480 as they call it.

00:26:40.760 When Larry is murdered,

00:26:41.920 Gabe is forced

00:26:42.520 to confront the past

00:26:43.520 he tried to leave behind

00:26:44.740 and uncover secrets

00:26:46.140 he never saw coming.

00:26:47.240 My dad had a whole

00:26:48.880 another life

00:26:49.520 that we never knew about.

00:26:51.760 Like, my mom started

00:26:52.700 screaming my dad's name

00:26:54.440 and I just heard

00:26:55.100 one gunshot.

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00:26:59.720 about faith,

00:27:00.560 family,

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00:27:01.900 can drift so far apart

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00:27:03.860 in the most devastating way.

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00:27:11.160 Who would you call

00:27:15.920 if the unthinkable happened?

00:27:17.620 I just fell

00:27:18.400 and started screaming.

00:27:20.280 If you lost someone

00:27:21.460 you loved

00:27:22.200 in the most horrific way?

00:27:24.040 I said to the shot

00:27:24.740 22 times.

00:27:26.520 The police, right?

00:27:28.360 But what if the person

00:27:29.580 you're supposed to go to

00:27:30.780 for help

00:27:31.320 is the one

00:27:32.240 you're the most afraid of?

00:27:34.160 This dude is the devil.

00:27:35.400 He's a snake.

00:27:36.460 He'll hurt you.

00:27:37.140 I got you.

00:27:38.760 I got you.

00:27:39.500 I got you.

00:27:40.740 I'm Nikki Richardson

00:27:41.900 and this is

00:27:43.180 The Girlfriends

00:27:44.160 Untouchable.

00:27:46.100 Detective Roger Golupski

00:27:47.380 spent decades

00:27:48.380 intimidating

00:27:49.080 and sexually abusing

00:27:50.280 Black women

00:27:50.880 across Kansas City

00:27:51.960 using his police badge

00:27:53.720 to scare them

00:27:54.400 into silence.

00:27:55.800 This is the story

00:27:56.700 of a detective

00:27:57.380 who seemed above the law

00:27:59.120 until we came together

00:28:01.020 to take him down.

00:28:04.140 I told Roger Golupski,

00:28:05.940 I said,

00:28:06.240 you're going to see my face

00:28:07.520 till the day that you die.

00:28:10.980 Listen to The Girlfriends

00:28:12.300 Untouchable

00:28:13.160 on the iHeartRadio app,

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00:28:20.420 Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro,

00:28:22.060 host of the hit podcast

00:28:23.420 Family Secrets.

00:28:24.640 We were in the car

00:28:25.500 like a rolling stone

00:28:26.680 came on

00:28:27.320 and he said,

00:28:28.280 there's a line in there

00:28:29.080 about your mother.

00:28:30.160 And I said,

00:28:30.760 what?

00:28:31.820 What I would do

00:28:32.660 if I didn't feel like

00:28:33.820 I was being accepted

00:28:34.860 is choose an identity

00:28:36.240 that other people

00:28:36.820 can't have.

00:28:37.520 I knew something

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00:28:39.580 in the middle of the night,

00:28:40.940 but I couldn't hold on

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00:28:44.100 These are just a few

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00:28:53.860 Whether you've been

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00:29:21.420 Welcome to Decoding

00:29:22.620 Women's Health.

00:29:23.300 I'm Dr. Elizabeth Pointer,

00:29:25.220 Chair of Women's Health

00:29:26.200 and Gynecology

00:29:26.940 at the Adria Health Institute

00:29:28.380 in New York City.

00:29:29.960 On this show,

00:29:30.780 I'll be talking

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00:29:33.940 asking them

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00:29:53.500 I never used

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00:29:55.140 They're concerned

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00:30:11.080 Listen to Decoding

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00:30:20.920 You know the shade

00:30:22.140 is always shadiest

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00:30:25.040 Season six

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00:30:26.260 Reasonably Shady

00:30:27.140 with Giselle Bryan

00:30:28.120 and Robin Dixon

00:30:28.900 is here,

00:30:29.700 dropping every Monday.

00:30:31.220 As two of the

00:30:32.360 founding members

00:30:33.080 of The Real Housewives

00:30:33.900 Potomac,

00:30:34.460 we're giving you

00:30:35.260 all the laughs,

00:30:36.440 drama,

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00:30:39.920 And you know

00:30:40.520 we don't hold back,

00:30:41.440 so come be reasonable

00:30:42.700 or shady

00:30:43.660 with us

00:30:44.300 each and every Monday.

00:30:46.300 I was going through

00:30:47.400 a walk in my neighborhood.

00:30:48.760 Out of the blue

00:30:49.640 I see this huge sign

00:30:52.500 next to somebody's house.

00:30:54.320 Okay.

00:30:54.760 The sign says

00:30:56.460 my neighbor

00:30:58.780 is a Karen.

00:31:01.420 What?

00:31:02.860 No way!

00:31:05.120 I died laughing.

00:31:07.660 What?

00:31:08.000 I'm like,

00:31:08.600 I have to know

00:31:10.220 you are lying.

00:31:12.100 Humongous, y'all.

00:31:13.000 They had some time

00:31:13.580 on their hands.

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00:31:24.160 That and it's,

00:31:25.000 you know,

00:31:25.300 but it does beg

00:31:26.660 sort of the larger

00:31:27.960 consciousness

00:31:28.980 that came out

00:31:29.980 of the Trump campaign

00:31:30.880 as it relates to,

00:31:31.740 you're right,

00:31:32.160 he obviously dominated

00:31:33.620 particularly with young men,

00:31:34.960 but did,

00:31:36.260 outperformed in ways

00:31:37.360 that I think

00:31:37.720 surprised a lot of folks.

00:31:38.820 Yeah.

00:31:39.140 And invested a lot

00:31:40.480 of time and energy.

00:31:41.680 Into spaces

00:31:42.540 where a lot of young men

00:31:43.660 were and where

00:31:44.780 a lot of young men are.

00:31:46.140 We talk about podcasts,

00:31:47.700 we talk about this

00:31:48.480 sort of manosphere

00:31:49.220 broadly defined,

00:31:50.100 which is something

00:31:50.880 that needs to be unpacked,

00:31:52.300 but he did invest

00:31:55.060 that time and energy

00:31:56.520 to meet people

00:31:57.440 quote-unquote

00:31:57.940 where they are.

00:32:00.160 And we didn't see

00:32:01.000 that commensurate investment

00:32:02.580 from the Democratic Party,

00:32:03.860 certainly didn't see it

00:32:04.480 from Biden or Harris.

00:32:05.780 No.

00:32:06.080 We're not really

00:32:06.580 seeing it now.

00:32:07.340 I appreciate what

00:32:08.660 you're doing here

00:32:09.120 and I like this podcast

00:32:10.000 as a good step,

00:32:11.720 but I saw a piece

00:32:13.820 from Ezra Klein

00:32:15.220 the other day

00:32:15.700 where he talked about

00:32:17.100 how it seems like,

00:32:18.460 and again,

00:32:18.840 I'm going to be candid here,

00:32:20.340 it seems like the DNC

00:32:21.740 as a whole

00:32:22.420 is trying to run

00:32:23.940 a very similar playbook

00:32:25.720 that didn't work

00:32:27.040 and is wondering

00:32:28.180 why they're not

00:32:28.660 getting different results.

00:32:29.520 It is shocking to me

00:32:32.060 that with as bad

00:32:34.440 as Trump is doing,

00:32:35.380 and it really is.

00:32:36.200 Again,

00:32:36.520 if I want to be

00:32:38.000 your Gen Z whisperer

00:32:38.820 for a second,

00:32:39.140 again,

00:32:39.320 I'm millennial,

00:32:39.760 I'm 34.

00:32:40.460 They're going to call me

00:32:41.120 old,

00:32:41.320 my hairline's bad.

00:32:42.660 Call me old bald.

00:32:44.020 Trust me.

00:32:44.920 Old man.

00:32:46.320 They are turning

00:32:48.740 on Donald Trump

00:32:50.080 in a way that

00:32:50.720 will come apparent

00:32:51.680 pretty soon,

00:32:52.980 but they're not turning

00:32:55.320 towards the Democratic Party.

00:32:56.780 That's the difference.

00:32:57.260 Yeah.

00:32:57.440 Yeah,

00:32:57.760 they're equally as upset

00:32:58.840 with them,

00:32:59.200 which is what

00:32:59.720 I think the problem is,

00:33:00.860 and it's kind of crazy

00:33:02.900 that it's not being

00:33:03.760 capitalized on more,

00:33:05.060 and I will give you credit.

00:33:06.160 I think what you have

00:33:07.280 been doing is kind of

00:33:08.080 breaking through the noise.

00:33:09.160 It's showing a little bit

00:33:09.840 of, I don't know,

00:33:10.820 a spine of a willingness

00:33:12.320 to stand up to

00:33:13.200 what he's doing,

00:33:14.360 but, you know,

00:33:17.060 if I can be honest,

00:33:20.380 all right,

00:33:20.620 here's what I'll say,

00:33:21.220 and you haven't announced

00:33:22.200 anything,

00:33:22.600 and this is not,

00:33:23.140 but there's a theoretical world

00:33:24.720 where you're going

00:33:25.240 to run for president.

00:33:26.060 I'm just going to say it.

00:33:26.900 You don't say anything.

00:33:27.840 Okay.

00:33:27.920 This is a virtual world.

00:33:29.960 Yeah.

00:33:30.260 Yeah,

00:33:30.580 virtual world.

00:33:31.560 The betting markets

00:33:32.540 have you leading,

00:33:33.220 okay?

00:33:34.080 There's a theoretical world,

00:33:34.980 and if I can get

00:33:38.780 somebody who's not

00:33:41.420 militarizing the National Guard

00:33:43.900 and somebody who's not

00:33:44.860 shutting down TV shows

00:33:47.120 that disagree with them

00:33:47.680 and somebody who's not

00:33:48.460 threatening free and fair elections,

00:33:49.840 that's a huge win already.

00:33:51.040 It's a low bar to clear,

00:33:51.980 and it's an easy clear.

00:33:52.620 Pretty low bar,

00:33:53.220 but I get it.

00:33:54.580 Yeah.

00:33:55.220 But, you know,

00:33:56.340 realistically,

00:33:56.760 from the audience

00:33:57.680 that I'm talking about,

00:33:58.500 because, again,

00:33:58.920 I think I got lucky.

00:34:00.040 I got the last chapter

00:34:00.500 out of Nam.

00:34:00.880 I'm feeling fine.

00:34:02.360 They can't go back

00:34:04.480 to the status quo,

00:34:05.500 Gavin.

00:34:05.720 They just can't.

00:34:06.400 They will continue

00:34:08.520 to grow more upset

00:34:10.720 and populist

00:34:11.400 and nihilistic

00:34:12.100 unless things

00:34:12.980 seriously change.

00:34:14.860 Like,

00:34:14.960 they have to change

00:34:15.580 on a more fundamental level.

00:34:17.140 Look,

00:34:17.860 so let's start

00:34:18.880 to unpack this,

00:34:19.480 because, I mean,

00:34:20.000 I love the clarity

00:34:21.000 as you painted this picture.

00:34:23.940 I mean,

00:34:24.200 it's, you know,

00:34:24.680 it's pretty black

00:34:26.220 and white terms

00:34:26.800 as you painted it.

00:34:27.420 I mean,

00:34:27.600 just like this notion

00:34:28.960 of nihilism,

00:34:29.840 of just like

00:34:30.640 not giving a shit

00:34:31.680 about anything

00:34:32.440 and blowing

00:34:32.900 the whole goddamn thing up.

00:34:34.180 And the most extreme example

00:34:35.080 would be someone

00:34:35.600 like Tyler Robinson.

00:34:36.380 If you look at,

00:34:36.840 you know,

00:34:37.120 his,

00:34:37.580 and I'm not a psychoanalyst,

00:34:38.960 I'm not an expert,

00:34:39.520 but there seems to be

00:34:40.880 a nihilism

00:34:41.540 to these kind of actions

00:34:42.940 and from young people

00:34:43.980 in general

00:34:44.360 that is rising

00:34:44.980 where it just feels like

00:34:45.980 if I can't get a house,

00:34:47.700 if you're a young man,

00:34:48.340 I can't get a partner,

00:34:50.340 I can't find a way

00:34:51.840 to be a,

00:34:52.400 to feel roots

00:34:53.360 in the society

00:34:53.940 that I'm in,

00:34:54.820 then I'm going

00:34:55.240 to drift out of it.

00:34:56.380 I'm going to disengage.

00:34:58.320 And they would find

00:35:00.000 any tool to do it.

00:35:00.940 In fact,

00:35:01.240 I would say

00:35:01.900 that one of the healthiest

00:35:03.160 things they can do

00:35:03.740 is gaming and Discord

00:35:04.580 because that's

00:35:05.000 with other people.

00:35:05.680 They are finding friends.

00:35:07.240 The Discord chats

00:35:08.280 that I'm in

00:35:08.660 are not making me

00:35:09.280 or radicalize.

00:35:10.020 I'm connecting people

00:35:10.780 all over the world.

00:35:11.560 It's great.

00:35:12.640 In fact,

00:35:13.300 you know,

00:35:13.580 here's an example.

00:35:14.320 I don't know

00:35:14.540 if you've heard

00:35:14.760 about what happened

00:35:15.160 in Nepal recently.

00:35:16.180 Of course,

00:35:16.880 remarkable with Instagram.

00:35:18.300 Yeah,

00:35:18.720 yeah.

00:35:19.000 So Nepal,

00:35:19.920 their Gen Z youth

00:35:20.980 was deeply upset

00:35:22.600 about rising youth

00:35:23.460 unemployment,

00:35:24.080 rising poverty.

00:35:26.380 And they were posting

00:35:27.300 about it on social media

00:35:27.980 and they were getting angry.

00:35:29.120 Then the government

00:35:29.840 tried to ban social media.

00:35:31.100 And that's when

00:35:31.620 they took to the streets.

00:35:32.400 That's when they're going.

00:35:32.980 That's when they're rioting.

00:35:34.380 That's when they're going crazy

00:35:35.160 because these are

00:35:37.040 the last outlets

00:35:38.000 people have.

00:35:38.900 So I just want to give

00:35:40.260 that perspective here

00:35:41.300 is that if Congress

00:35:43.440 is going to haul Discord

00:35:44.660 and Twitch

00:35:45.220 and Reddit up there

00:35:45.880 and think that

00:35:46.540 restricting them

00:35:47.620 or banning them

00:35:48.060 is going to solve

00:35:49.100 this problem,

00:35:49.800 it is not.

00:35:50.820 I'd be so clear.

00:35:51.680 It is not.

00:35:52.100 It's going to make it

00:35:52.720 more virulent.

00:35:55.540 No,

00:35:55.960 look,

00:35:56.400 I think what you're saying

00:35:57.640 is profoundly important

00:35:59.240 and I'm not trying

00:36:01.320 to go back,

00:36:02.240 but I want to paint

00:36:03.140 this picture

00:36:03.620 because I want to land

00:36:04.600 exactly where you're going

00:36:07.180 because I think

00:36:07.760 what you're saying

00:36:09.120 is it needs to be said

00:36:10.920 because there were

00:36:11.960 these trend lines

00:36:12.640 that predate all of this

00:36:14.340 for decades and decades.

00:36:15.860 and we have

00:36:16.700 the first generation

00:36:17.520 that's Gen Z

00:36:18.060 that literally

00:36:19.340 is poised to do

00:36:20.180 much worse

00:36:20.900 than their parents' generation.

00:36:22.400 This is the first generation

00:36:23.280 in our lifetime,

00:36:24.980 my lifetime certainly,

00:36:25.900 but literally

00:36:26.560 in American history

00:36:27.720 where that would be the case.

00:36:29.300 And so this is code red

00:36:30.820 and it's led to suicides,

00:36:32.480 it's led to dropouts,

00:36:33.540 it's led to all kinds

00:36:34.520 of related issues

00:36:35.640 and these guys

00:36:36.460 are screaming

00:36:37.120 disproportionately,

00:36:38.420 men in some respects,

00:36:40.140 and no one's paying

00:36:41.220 any damn attention.

00:36:42.680 And now we're looking

00:36:43.460 at things

00:36:43.900 and I love what you're saying.

00:36:45.140 We're looking at the platforms

00:36:46.100 and not the underlying

00:36:47.060 damn issues.

00:36:47.680 Yeah, a couple stats.

00:36:48.320 Oh, sorry.

00:36:48.800 No, but yeah,

00:36:49.380 but I want to get to

00:36:50.220 and I want you to hold those stats

00:36:51.300 because I think

00:36:51.680 they're incredibly important.

00:36:53.000 But I want to go back

00:36:53.760 just so again,

00:36:54.620 just because so many people

00:36:56.300 want to understand

00:36:58.240 and these are not root causes,

00:37:00.140 but they're component parts

00:37:01.700 of this larger conversation.

00:37:03.360 We talk about the manosphere.

00:37:05.020 What does that mean to you?

00:37:07.000 I mean, what is it?

00:37:07.860 This is an investment

00:37:09.080 that I think Trump

00:37:09.940 and the Republicans made

00:37:11.320 into spaces

00:37:12.740 that are not even

00:37:13.900 inherently political.

00:37:15.140 They are spaces

00:37:15.840 where people are talking

00:37:16.560 about wrestling

00:37:18.160 or UFC

00:37:20.180 or video games

00:37:21.640 or just finding connection

00:37:24.680 often with other men

00:37:25.720 and just trying to understand

00:37:27.000 similar experiences

00:37:27.680 in the world.

00:37:28.300 And they invested

00:37:29.120 in those spaces

00:37:29.720 and then,

00:37:30.460 hey, you like this?

00:37:31.700 Also on the side,

00:37:33.140 you know,

00:37:33.500 let's stop the woke mind virus

00:37:36.340 or you know what?

00:37:36.820 It would be something like that.

00:37:37.780 It would be,

00:37:38.720 you know,

00:37:39.140 Kamala Harris

00:37:39.540 is not going to help you out.

00:37:40.700 That's the idea.

00:37:41.440 And they would mix that in

00:37:42.700 with things people already like

00:37:43.800 and it became very easy

00:37:44.960 to slide in.

00:37:46.880 And what's crazy,

00:37:48.180 I don't think it's that hard

00:37:49.200 for the Democrats

00:37:50.080 to join these spaces.

00:37:52.220 Most people like watching sports.

00:37:53.640 Most people like,

00:37:54.400 it's not rocket science.

00:37:56.480 And I think,

00:37:57.620 again,

00:37:57.860 I can't overstate

00:37:59.220 how it feels like

00:38:00.100 a ball somewhere

00:38:01.420 is being dropped

00:38:02.140 when you can't speak

00:38:03.180 even semi-authentically

00:38:05.040 to people that are not,

00:38:06.200 they're not from a different world.

00:38:07.640 They're not that crazy.

00:38:10.340 That's a problem

00:38:11.100 that I would point out.

00:38:12.940 And I think they did

00:38:13.500 a good job with it.

00:38:14.100 But I will also say this.

00:38:15.720 Listen,

00:38:16.060 we're going to fight

00:38:16.700 in this country

00:38:17.780 about social issues

00:38:19.460 left and right

00:38:20.560 forever it seems.

00:38:21.900 And I really noticed that

00:38:23.140 in the wake of this

00:38:23.680 Charlie Kirk thing

00:38:24.240 where it's just

00:38:24.740 an endless amount of noise

00:38:26.740 from every direction.

00:38:28.060 You are inundated

00:38:28.860 with it on social media.

00:38:30.120 Every take goes viral

00:38:31.420 in every direction.

00:38:32.460 And nobody's making

00:38:33.540 any progress

00:38:34.120 and no one's making

00:38:34.740 any forward motion.

00:38:36.120 But what I'll say is

00:38:37.160 the main thing

00:38:39.080 that I am seeing

00:38:40.340 and feeling

00:38:40.840 was a deep

00:38:43.020 a deep resentment

00:38:45.720 around costs

00:38:46.620 and inflation

00:38:47.200 and housing.

00:38:48.000 And I truly think

00:38:49.720 whichever side

00:38:50.820 can solve those problems

00:38:52.180 will dictate

00:38:53.060 not dictate

00:38:53.980 but will take the lead

00:38:55.580 on social issues.

00:38:56.860 People will go

00:38:57.860 whatever direction

00:38:58.760 is going to offer them

00:38:59.880 solutions on that.

00:39:00.840 And because Trump

00:39:01.380 has not done that

00:39:02.260 like he promised

00:39:02.860 there's already

00:39:04.200 a reverse boomerang starting.

00:39:06.220 It's going to go

00:39:07.540 the other way

00:39:08.040 regardless of whether

00:39:08.960 or not anyone

00:39:09.540 reaches out to podcasts

00:39:10.640 there will be

00:39:11.440 a reverse boomerang.

00:39:12.580 But if it goes this way

00:39:13.780 and that isn't solved again

00:39:14.820 it'll be an even stronger

00:39:16.220 that is how it's going

00:39:17.860 to play out.

00:39:18.740 I'm certain of it.

00:39:20.140 So yeah.

00:39:23.060 So you're talking

00:39:23.640 I mean it's

00:39:24.060 you know

00:39:24.340 unpacking this a little bit

00:39:25.960 it's not just about politics.

00:39:27.820 I mean you talk about

00:39:28.600 nihilism more broadly defined.

00:39:30.160 I mean this is just

00:39:30.920 you know despair.

00:39:32.220 It's economics.

00:39:32.760 It's economics.

00:39:33.440 I really is.

00:39:34.180 Yeah.

00:39:34.640 And so you know

00:39:35.840 one thing as a goal of mine

00:39:38.200 on this podcast

00:39:38.800 is to try and get you

00:39:41.200 not because I understand

00:39:43.560 you have to win

00:39:44.160 not to win a lot.

00:39:45.080 Okay I'm just like

00:39:45.420 you have to gain support.

00:39:46.680 You're a politician.

00:39:47.420 You have to represent

00:39:48.380 more than just

00:39:49.100 some individual base.

00:39:50.480 And I think what you're doing

00:39:51.600 talking to people

00:39:52.720 politically different than you

00:39:54.280 is a big step

00:39:55.160 and that's awesome.

00:39:55.740 And I think that's cool

00:39:56.340 to gain voters.

00:39:57.360 And gain understanding

00:40:00.320 more for me.

00:40:01.000 And understanding yeah.

00:40:01.500 No BS.

00:40:02.220 Like gain understanding.

00:40:03.180 I mean Charlie Kirk

00:40:03.860 on this show

00:40:04.280 when we launched this podcast

00:40:05.680 was the first

00:40:06.160 and I mean

00:40:07.060 and I got

00:40:07.700 big people were pissed.

00:40:09.380 And you know

00:40:10.160 what's funny is

00:40:10.780 I respect it more for that.

00:40:13.520 I tried to do some research

00:40:14.660 and watch some of these.

00:40:15.540 Some of the comments

00:40:16.140 are brutal on you

00:40:17.120 and you did it anyway

00:40:17.700 and I respect you

00:40:18.200 to keep doing it.

00:40:18.940 Yeah.

00:40:19.360 But so

00:40:19.860 I'm not here to like

00:40:22.580 push you in a direction

00:40:23.740 that is going to

00:40:24.700 make it harder

00:40:25.700 to get a broader base.

00:40:26.720 I think politicians

00:40:27.340 should try to represent

00:40:28.320 people that aren't

00:40:29.180 directly aligned with them.

00:40:30.380 What I'm trying to get you

00:40:31.400 to understand is like

00:40:32.440 I think

00:40:35.040 I want to push you

00:40:35.940 a little bit more

00:40:36.520 economically

00:40:37.220 on you know

00:40:39.020 in this country

00:40:39.800 from like the 40s

00:40:40.860 to the 80s

00:40:41.540 we had an extremely low

00:40:43.340 genie coefficient

00:40:44.600 of inequality.

00:40:45.560 It was low and flat

00:40:47.020 for years.

00:40:47.680 A strong

00:40:48.540 rising middle class.

00:40:50.460 And people

00:40:50.880 broadly feeling

00:40:52.300 were proud

00:40:54.460 of their country.

00:40:55.020 And it wasn't like

00:40:56.420 Marxism.

00:40:57.240 It wasn't

00:40:57.520 you know

00:40:57.880 it was a capitalist

00:40:59.360 country

00:40:59.860 and businesses

00:41:01.080 could thrive

00:41:01.680 but people felt

00:41:02.440 like they had

00:41:02.700 a real chance.

00:41:03.820 And since we've

00:41:04.480 allowed this

00:41:05.640 increased consolidation

00:41:06.680 since we've

00:41:07.740 continually

00:41:08.500 used government

00:41:09.620 funds to prop

00:41:10.480 up the stocks

00:41:11.540 and housing

00:41:12.140 of elderly boomers

00:41:13.660 that own it all

00:41:14.280 it is

00:41:15.040 it has become

00:41:15.740 more

00:41:16.060 it's a ladder

00:41:16.620 that is

00:41:16.900 fewer and fewer

00:41:17.960 rungs to get on.

00:41:19.100 Yep.

00:41:19.200 And so

00:41:21.180 if

00:41:22.220 there isn't

00:41:23.500 substantive change

00:41:24.460 on that front

00:41:25.040 nothing else

00:41:26.200 matters.

00:41:26.580 I really believe

00:41:27.800 that nothing else

00:41:28.400 matters.

00:41:28.840 It won't break

00:41:29.920 through.

00:41:31.320 And I understand

00:41:32.260 that you know

00:41:33.260 these boomers

00:41:33.940 vote too.

00:41:34.620 Again people give

00:41:35.900 you a lot of crap

00:41:36.540 for California

00:41:37.180 housing.

00:41:38.200 It's a tough

00:41:38.940 problem the more

00:41:39.480 I look into it.

00:41:40.540 I used to be

00:41:41.240 someone who just

00:41:41.780 threw around blame

00:41:42.500 really easily

00:41:42.900 and now I read

00:41:43.440 more it gets me

00:41:44.280 depressed because

00:41:45.000 it's like it's an

00:41:45.940 impossible complex

00:41:46.800 problem.

00:41:47.560 People that have

00:41:48.240 the housing

00:41:48.680 they put their

00:41:49.260 life savings into

00:41:50.000 it.

00:41:50.200 That's their

00:41:50.440 retirement.

00:41:51.220 If you try to

00:41:51.760 bring housing

00:41:52.200 prices down

00:41:52.820 well now this

00:41:53.420 person's mad.

00:41:53.940 I get it.

00:41:54.820 But if it doesn't

00:41:55.480 change we're

00:41:56.700 screwed.

00:41:57.400 There's no getting

00:41:58.220 around.

00:41:58.580 This is an angry

00:41:59.640 nihilistic generation

00:42:00.720 that wants change

00:42:01.740 badly.

00:42:01.960 And what was the

00:42:03.100 quote unquote

00:42:03.700 California housing

00:42:04.520 crisis going back

00:42:05.240 decades and decades

00:42:06.100 supply demand

00:42:06.960 imbalance

00:42:07.520 nimbyism.

00:42:08.300 No a lot of

00:42:08.660 issues around

00:42:09.260 localism.

00:42:10.120 Now it's one

00:42:10.840 now it's across

00:42:12.100 the board all

00:42:12.660 across the United

00:42:13.260 States.

00:42:13.960 People are feeling

00:42:14.600 those pressures

00:42:15.260 and that's why I

00:42:16.280 think as you

00:42:17.020 brought up Ezra

00:42:17.680 Klein a moment

00:42:18.320 ago we had him

00:42:18.960 on the podcast

00:42:19.520 to the whole

00:42:20.300 abundance agenda

00:42:21.240 and focusing on

00:42:22.100 away from process

00:42:24.220 paralysis and

00:42:25.700 lawfare and all

00:42:27.240 of the nimbyism to

00:42:28.160 a yimby yes in

00:42:29.060 my backyard not

00:42:30.160 no in my backyard

00:42:31.100 mindset in order

00:42:32.540 to break through

00:42:33.540 that and to

00:42:34.920 start to address

00:42:35.760 that supply demand

00:42:36.740 imbalance to

00:42:37.660 lower costs to

00:42:39.120 ultimately provide

00:42:39.980 more points of

00:42:41.400 opportunity.

00:42:42.660 So I think you're

00:42:43.460 100% right and I

00:42:44.420 think it's only

00:42:44.920 reinforced the

00:42:46.640 broader analysis

00:42:47.380 by the fact

00:42:47.880 there's a lot

00:42:48.540 of Trump

00:42:48.860 supporters that

00:42:49.880 otherwise would

00:42:50.460 be Bernie

00:42:50.840 supporters as

00:42:51.500 well or vice

00:42:53.200 versa.

00:42:54.060 So there's this

00:42:54.480 sort of notion

00:42:55.000 of populism and

00:42:56.560 not in the

00:42:56.960 pejorative sense

00:42:57.820 but truly

00:42:58.460 representative sense

00:42:59.660 recognizing what's

00:43:01.660 missing and giving

00:43:02.420 voice to that.

00:43:04.020 Now the question

00:43:04.580 is the prescriptions

00:43:05.800 that Trump's

00:43:06.900 offering as you

00:43:07.600 suggest I couldn't

00:43:08.380 agree with you

00:43:08.740 more are sort of

00:43:10.040 proven to do

00:43:11.280 precisely the

00:43:11.980 opposite.

00:43:12.480 I mean the

00:43:12.700 largest tax

00:43:13.280 increase on

00:43:14.420 middle class and

00:43:15.100 working folks i.e.

00:43:16.200 tariffs.

00:43:17.360 Inflation that's

00:43:18.080 now starting to

00:43:18.840 go back up and

00:43:20.480 Fed policy that is

00:43:21.500 actually not

00:43:22.440 accelerating in

00:43:23.360 terms of decline in

00:43:24.480 interest rates but

00:43:25.400 because of those

00:43:26.440 uncertainties particularly

00:43:28.660 as it relates to

00:43:29.300 pressure inflation

00:43:30.120 now is not

00:43:31.320 necessarily moving as

00:43:32.220 quickly to lower

00:43:33.480 borrowing costs as

00:43:34.780 we had otherwise

00:43:35.380 hoped.

00:43:35.900 So I totally agree

00:43:37.320 with that.

00:43:38.220 So let's talk just

00:43:39.000 about that.

00:43:39.520 I mean Scott

00:43:39.880 Galloway is

00:43:40.900 took his class

00:43:41.900 when I was at

00:43:42.900 NVIDIA I was in

00:43:43.540 Scott's class and

00:43:44.280 he's one of the

00:43:44.680 people the way he

00:43:45.840 spoke not even the

00:43:48.020 content of what he

00:43:48.520 said the way he

00:43:49.060 presented I was like

00:43:49.800 that is that is

00:43:51.640 something I can learn

00:43:52.280 from and I took to

00:43:53.520 that so when I was

00:43:54.260 starting to stream

00:43:55.060 yeah and Scott

00:43:56.020 Scott for those

00:43:57.540 that don't know we

00:43:58.080 also have out in

00:43:58.600 the pod as well

00:43:59.300 he's I mean he

00:44:00.700 really speaks to

00:44:02.140 the Gen Z

00:44:02.680 generation he speaks

00:44:03.580 in generational

00:44:04.220 terms as theft

00:44:05.740 you look at this

00:44:07.600 big beautiful bill

00:44:08.500 and all this

00:44:10.160 massive tax cuts

00:44:11.340 that are burdening

00:44:12.280 the generation

00:44:13.320 that is increasingly

00:44:14.480 already feeling like

00:44:15.720 no one gives a damn

00:44:16.460 about them.

00:44:17.140 Yeah.

00:44:17.620 So it just

00:44:18.360 reinforces I think

00:44:19.440 the called arms

00:44:20.380 that you're suggesting

00:44:21.060 here in terms of

00:44:22.120 consciousness that is

00:44:23.120 as it relates to the

00:44:24.360 moment.

00:44:24.780 Yeah and again

00:44:25.720 you know I think

00:44:27.240 these these trends

00:44:28.240 were in a bad

00:44:28.900 direction before Trump

00:44:29.940 but he has done

00:44:30.760 absolutely nothing

00:44:32.220 to help.

00:44:33.340 I mean the big

00:44:34.280 beautiful bill is a

00:44:35.140 disaster.

00:44:35.680 it is a massive

00:44:36.520 multi-trillion dollar

00:44:37.560 credit card swipe

00:44:38.980 that we younger

00:44:39.980 people are gonna

00:44:40.340 have to pay and

00:44:41.660 I don't know it

00:44:43.540 it's it I'm not

00:44:45.540 suggesting getting

00:44:48.120 rid of social

00:44:48.540 security thing but

00:44:49.220 it is it is

00:44:49.980 frustrating as a

00:44:50.940 young working

00:44:51.400 person that the

00:44:52.860 biggest line item

00:44:54.100 on the government

00:44:54.500 budget is checks to

00:44:55.640 older people many

00:44:56.500 of whom have houses

00:44:58.060 and have a paycheck

00:44:59.580 to afford you know

00:45:00.260 it is just I think

00:45:02.500 we are not seeing

00:45:03.520 enough go to people

00:45:05.620 that are trying to

00:45:06.540 get started in this

00:45:07.340 in the country and

00:45:08.380 and get on the

00:45:09.060 ladder.

00:45:10.360 Dad had the strong

00:45:11.660 belief that the devil

00:45:12.880 was attacking us.

00:45:14.440 Two brothers one

00:45:15.540 devout household two

00:45:17.080 radically different

00:45:17.900 paths.

00:45:18.980 Gabe Ortiz became one

00:45:20.080 of the highest ranking

00:45:20.980 law enforcement

00:45:21.600 officers in Texas.

00:45:23.060 32 years total

00:45:24.300 law enforcement

00:45:24.800 experience.

00:45:25.720 But his brother

00:45:26.140 Larry he stayed

00:45:27.240 behind and built an

00:45:28.460 entirely different

00:45:29.240 legacy.

00:45:30.020 He was the head

00:45:31.160 of this gang and

00:45:32.540 nobody was going

00:45:33.540 to tell him what

00:45:34.040 to do.

00:45:34.540 He was going to

00:45:34.780 push that line

00:45:35.360 for the cause.

00:45:36.300 Took us under

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00:45:37.860 showed us the

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00:50:30.460 Do you see it from, I

00:50:32.320 mean, so there's tax

00:50:33.880 policy that's obviously

00:50:34.920 profound and outsized.

00:50:36.960 It's interesting we had

00:50:37.860 Steve Bannon on as well,

00:50:39.540 and he was arguing for

00:50:40.960 progressive tax policy.

00:50:42.800 I said at a certain point,

00:50:44.000 I said, Steve, you sound

00:50:45.020 like you're governor of

00:50:45.920 California, arguing for

00:50:47.300 California's progressive

00:50:48.460 tax policy.

00:50:49.720 Yeah, he argues for

00:50:50.800 Lena Kahn as well.

00:50:51.700 It's a shocker to me.

00:50:52.340 I'm a huge Lena Kahn fan,

00:50:53.600 and I wanted to push that

00:50:54.780 with you as well.

00:50:56.040 Listen, those years I'm

00:50:57.760 talking about, those low

00:50:58.960 inequality years in

00:51:01.260 America, again, probably

00:51:02.520 golden years of America.

00:51:03.860 Maybe social policy we can

00:51:04.800 improve, but that's the

00:51:05.700 golden years of

00:51:06.140 economically.

00:51:07.260 The key things of that

00:51:08.040 era, we had strong

00:51:09.260 unions.

00:51:10.100 We had a progressive tax

00:51:11.560 policy that had high tax

00:51:13.680 rates on the richest

00:51:14.800 people.

00:51:15.780 We had an antitrust

00:51:18.960 enforcement that stopped

00:51:20.060 constant consolidation.

00:51:21.940 Again, this Jimmy Kimmel

00:51:22.840 thing, people aren't

00:51:23.760 talking enough about how

00:51:24.600 it's so clearly Nexstar

00:51:26.880 trying to merge with

00:51:27.980 Tegna to get an inordinate

00:51:29.780 amount of affiliates in

00:51:31.460 this country, and they

00:51:32.100 are just saying whatever

00:51:32.880 Trump wants to hear so

00:51:34.320 that they can get this

00:51:35.320 bill signed.

00:51:36.620 Amen.

00:51:37.240 It all comes back to

00:51:39.880 economics, what I'm

00:51:40.580 trying to really get

00:51:41.860 across, and it's a core

00:51:43.540 part of my content, is we

00:51:45.360 can fight forever on

00:51:47.740 social issues, and we

00:51:48.500 always will.

00:51:50.060 And in the social media

00:51:51.420 area, I just realized how

00:51:52.480 useless it is, because

00:51:53.780 algorithms will give you

00:51:54.740 the opinion you want, and

00:51:56.080 the one you hate, and

00:51:56.860 they'll make that one look

00:51:57.540 stupid, and they'll give

00:51:58.580 you the comments that

00:51:59.220 support you, and it's just

00:52:00.520 no point in arguing.

00:52:01.440 I'm tired of it.

00:52:02.160 Most people are tired of

00:52:03.020 it.

00:52:03.920 And so I just think we have

00:52:05.660 to just, we got to really

00:52:07.160 focus in on the economics,

00:52:08.900 because that's where we're

00:52:10.080 going to make a difference.

00:52:11.060 People can feel that

00:52:11.900 change.

00:52:12.580 They can feel, rents are

00:52:13.820 going down in LA.

00:52:15.400 I've noticed it.

00:52:16.660 I saw Stetley.

00:52:18.540 People do feel it.

00:52:20.040 It takes a while.

00:52:21.140 They probably don't give

00:52:21.720 everybody credit.

00:52:22.360 They're not giving it, but

00:52:22.940 it happens.

00:52:24.780 If you guys could get in

00:52:26.240 California, the high-speed

00:52:27.580 rail built.

00:52:28.420 I know it's like an

00:52:29.860 impossible legal challenge,

00:52:30.980 and everyone blocks it

00:52:31.660 every step.

00:52:32.280 We're on the other side

00:52:33.260 of the legal.

00:52:33.820 We're on the other side

00:52:34.260 of the environmental.

00:52:35.100 We're actually starting to

00:52:35.980 lay track.

00:52:36.500 We're actually, decades and

00:52:37.940 decades, I can't make up for

00:52:39.000 the past, but I have to be

00:52:40.840 accountable to the

00:52:41.620 present, and we're finally

00:52:43.140 laying tracks.

00:52:43.900 We're finally moving forward

00:52:45.100 on the damn project.

00:52:46.560 2,270 parcels had to be

00:52:50.000 procured through eminent

00:52:50.860 domain and other means.

00:52:52.580 Decade of just moving in

00:52:56.180 quicksand.

00:52:56.940 Inches.

00:52:58.060 And then all the

00:52:58.680 environment, all that now

00:53:00.460 is behind us, finally moving

00:53:03.040 to lay the damn track.

00:53:04.160 And I want to say, when

00:53:04.980 someone gets on that train

00:53:06.460 and rides it, and it makes

00:53:07.580 their life 5%, 10% more

00:53:09.300 convenient, they notice.

00:53:11.260 They feel it.

00:53:12.060 That stuff does matter.

00:53:13.300 And I just...

00:53:16.240 So let's say you talk

00:53:17.000 about housing, rents, rents

00:53:19.260 too damn high.

00:53:20.000 Sure.

00:53:20.320 Housing, transportation.

00:53:22.060 What else?

00:53:22.680 I mean, how about wages?

00:53:23.760 I mean, is that...

00:53:24.220 Yeah, sure.

00:53:24.600 So Gen Z men.

00:53:25.720 Yeah.

00:53:26.440 Unemployment for Gen Z men

00:53:27.560 who are college graduates

00:53:28.760 is the same as those that

00:53:30.440 haven't graduated college.

00:53:31.700 They're getting this degree

00:53:32.820 and getting no material

00:53:34.240 benefit in terms of the

00:53:35.580 stats.

00:53:35.960 I'm not, you know...

00:53:36.600 No, that's just...

00:53:37.240 And that's just starting...

00:53:38.160 We're just starting to see

00:53:39.380 that take shape.

00:53:40.260 There was always that

00:53:41.040 college premium.

00:53:41.700 And now for the first time

00:53:43.480 with these remarkable...

00:53:45.360 This was not, quote unquote,

00:53:46.820 as people said,

00:53:47.480 oh, you've got this sort of

00:53:48.760 useless philosophy degree

00:53:50.460 and you can't get a real

00:53:51.480 job with it.

00:53:52.400 No, these are folks

00:53:52.980 with actual degrees

00:53:54.500 in computer science

00:53:55.300 and they can't.

00:53:56.120 They can't get a job.

00:53:57.920 And by the way,

00:53:58.560 philosophy is not useless.

00:54:00.020 In fact, in many ways,

00:54:01.340 philosophy is the preferred

00:54:02.300 course nowadays,

00:54:04.420 which is...

00:54:04.740 You gotta stream it.

00:54:05.660 Yeah.

00:54:06.340 No.

00:54:06.780 So, yeah, they are...

00:54:10.560 Sorry.

00:54:12.200 No, so, I mean,

00:54:12.800 you're entering a job market

00:54:13.900 that's more difficult

00:54:14.400 than ever.

00:54:14.880 People...

00:54:15.360 Oh, absolutely.

00:54:15.740 Now people don't even

00:54:16.600 want to go to college, right?

00:54:17.620 I mean, you get this

00:54:18.140 sort of Peter Thiel frame.

00:54:19.480 So, look,

00:54:20.640 not only did they're not

00:54:22.000 getting the premium

00:54:22.800 from going to college,

00:54:23.640 college has never been

00:54:24.380 more expensive

00:54:24.960 for these young men,

00:54:26.640 especially for these

00:54:28.020 Gen Z people

00:54:28.580 who had to go to college

00:54:29.620 during COVID.

00:54:30.560 I can't tell you

00:54:31.540 what a sucker punch

00:54:32.700 it has to be

00:54:33.820 to pay way more

00:54:35.620 than your parents

00:54:36.100 ever paid

00:54:36.580 to go to Zoom college

00:54:38.100 where...

00:54:38.700 Yeah.

00:54:39.420 And this is not...

00:54:41.060 You know, we talk about

00:54:41.920 Discord and Reddit

00:54:42.840 and gaming's changing

00:54:44.040 the world.

00:54:44.480 I gotta talk to you

00:54:45.160 as well as well

00:54:45.780 about AI

00:54:47.620 and ChatGPT.

00:54:49.720 Listen, Governor,

00:54:50.640 I don't know if someone

00:54:51.640 on your staff

00:54:52.340 is telling you this.

00:54:53.280 Every high school

00:54:54.160 in California,

00:54:54.920 and there's great ones,

00:54:55.860 every college in California,

00:54:57.540 people are cheating

00:54:58.620 with ChatGPT.

00:55:00.000 Professors are writing

00:55:01.020 rubrics ChatGPT

00:55:01.960 and then grading

00:55:02.600 with ChatGPT.

00:55:03.420 People are paying

00:55:04.020 absurd amounts of money

00:55:05.100 to get...

00:55:05.920 It's all a farce.

00:55:08.580 And I'm not saying

00:55:09.000 it's everybody,

00:55:09.440 people are very smart

00:55:10.180 and learning,

00:55:10.580 but this is happening.

00:55:12.200 And we have,

00:55:13.820 again,

00:55:14.100 this is a bigger problem

00:55:15.180 with Trump,

00:55:15.640 but our Secretary of Education

00:55:16.780 is like from the WWE.

00:55:18.640 It's...

00:55:19.120 Literally.

00:55:20.200 It's ridiculous.

00:55:20.980 Literally.

00:55:21.680 I'm not joking.

00:55:22.400 I think you're making that up

00:55:23.460 actually was the co-founder.

00:55:25.160 It's Linda McMahon.

00:55:25.860 She and her husband.

00:55:26.980 Yes.

00:55:27.480 And I see a speech with her

00:55:28.600 and she's talking about

00:55:29.580 how these kids

00:55:30.820 need to learn about A1.

00:55:32.000 She doesn't even know

00:55:32.640 what A...

00:55:32.920 She can't even pronounce it.

00:55:34.120 A1.

00:55:34.540 And this is changing

00:55:35.820 literally education rapidly.

00:55:37.800 So, again,

00:55:39.000 I hate to put it all on you.

00:55:41.520 You're one person in it,

00:55:42.520 but I'm just...

00:55:43.340 This is my id

00:55:44.680 screaming out to the void

00:55:45.700 that I'm hearing.

00:55:46.680 It's like things

00:55:47.560 are changing rapidly

00:55:48.500 and I don't feel like

00:55:49.840 the DNC particularly

00:55:51.320 is like throwing out

00:55:53.520 the old playbook.

00:55:54.200 Yeah.

00:55:54.500 That's...

00:55:54.940 It just won't work.

00:55:57.820 And are you...

00:55:59.300 When you...

00:56:00.540 Folks that you're

00:56:01.440 interacting with,

00:56:02.400 are they...

00:56:02.940 Is this a gender issue

00:56:05.060 as well

00:56:05.520 from the perspective...

00:56:06.860 Yeah, it's an interesting question.

00:56:09.160 Definitely it feels like

00:56:10.280 young women

00:56:10.840 are adapting more

00:56:11.900 to the society

00:56:12.540 we have now.

00:56:13.300 They are just finding a way

00:56:14.340 to get to college,

00:56:15.640 get on the corporate ladder.

00:56:17.140 And, you know,

00:56:18.140 I think Scott Galloway

00:56:18.900 talks about this.

00:56:20.320 There's an idea generally

00:56:21.500 that men are fine

00:56:23.600 dating socioeconomically

00:56:25.640 equal or down

00:56:26.740 and women generally

00:56:27.960 want to date equal or up.

00:56:29.160 So it reduces the amount

00:56:30.640 of partners available

00:56:32.040 for men who can't get

00:56:33.280 on the economic ladder

00:56:34.140 which makes them

00:56:35.000 more disengaged

00:56:35.860 and more...

00:56:36.800 You know,

00:56:37.160 it's a snowball effect.

00:56:39.160 Again, it's not women's fault

00:56:40.200 but this is what's happening

00:56:41.540 and it creates this

00:56:44.080 simmering misogyny

00:56:47.080 in online spaces

00:56:47.660 and it creates this...

00:56:49.040 But it comes back

00:56:49.720 to economics.

00:56:50.280 All I can say

00:56:50.780 over and over again

00:56:51.320 is it comes back

00:56:52.140 to economics

00:56:52.620 and again,

00:56:53.700 if I could spoil it

00:56:55.020 down to one word,

00:56:55.920 it's like radicalism

00:56:57.080 is win no house.

00:56:59.180 If you can't get a house,

00:57:00.680 if you don't see a path

00:57:01.560 to get a house

00:57:01.980 and I hear this all the time,

00:57:04.140 some of them are working.

00:57:05.400 They're working decent jobs.

00:57:06.920 They're working hard.

00:57:07.520 It's not even feasible

00:57:09.360 in a lot of these cities

00:57:10.400 to ever get a house.

00:57:12.060 You can't save up enough

00:57:13.040 without taking on

00:57:14.440 an absurd amount of debt ever.

00:57:15.680 It's just not possible

00:57:16.620 and if you picked one thing

00:57:20.720 to focus in on,

00:57:21.680 that would be it

00:57:22.380 because that's the biggest thing

00:57:24.540 to put you as part of society

00:57:26.340 or outside of society.

00:57:27.440 Once you feel like

00:57:28.000 you can get on that ladder,

00:57:29.440 you're okay.

00:57:30.120 You can calm down.

00:57:31.440 You can find a party.

00:57:32.860 You can vote.

00:57:33.660 But if you can't see that,

00:57:35.040 what's the point?

00:57:36.080 Why am I doing it?

00:57:36.940 Why am I working this job

00:57:38.000 for a boss I hate,

00:57:39.100 for wages that are only okay?

00:57:40.800 I'm never going to get

00:57:41.820 another step up.

00:57:43.720 So yeah, yeah.

00:57:44.840 I feel like I've said that enough.

00:57:46.600 No, no.

00:57:47.120 Look, again,

00:57:48.020 I appreciate it

00:57:49.060 and again,

00:57:50.060 bouncing back and forth

00:57:51.200 because I think it's important.

00:57:52.760 You talk about,

00:57:53.480 you brought up the word misogyny.

00:57:56.340 Yeah.

00:57:56.820 And finding back

00:57:58.260 to the sort of manosphere,

00:57:59.440 it comes in many forms

00:58:00.740 and manifestations.

00:58:01.780 So I think there's sort of

00:58:02.660 a laziness,

00:58:03.460 quote unquote,

00:58:03.840 the manosphere,

00:58:04.600 what it means or doesn't mean.

00:58:05.940 But there are misogynistic aspects

00:58:08.160 of the manosphere

00:58:09.380 and there are people

00:58:10.660 that have been very successful

00:58:11.980 in that space,

00:58:13.380 the sort of Andrew Tate's

00:58:15.040 of the world

00:58:15.580 in some respects.

00:58:17.240 I mean,

00:58:17.660 the fair, unfair,

00:58:18.820 Adrian Ross

00:58:19.340 and the Joel Peterson type.

00:58:21.440 Sure, yeah.

00:58:22.020 I mean,

00:58:22.580 what do you make of that

00:58:24.020 in the context

00:58:24.660 of the vernacular

00:58:25.300 of the world

00:58:26.260 that you've been navigating

00:58:28.280 and generationally

00:58:29.740 what you're sort of understanding

00:58:31.520 of all that?

00:58:32.060 Yeah,

00:58:32.140 I'll tell you the worst part

00:58:32.940 about content creation.

00:58:34.560 Gavin Newsom is that...

00:58:36.320 That's funny.

00:58:38.740 My dad's a lifelong Republican.

00:58:41.420 He...

00:58:41.980 Not a Trumper,

00:58:42.860 thank God.

00:58:43.440 But he...

00:58:44.940 So I don't think

00:58:45.460 he's the world's biggest

00:58:46.360 Gavin Newsom fan, maybe,

00:58:47.340 but I did a very small

00:58:48.620 interview with you

00:58:50.620 a while ago,

00:58:51.160 a live stream.

00:58:51.640 Yeah, Gavin.

00:58:52.140 And I called you Gavin.

00:58:53.640 Yeah.

00:58:53.920 He called me afterward.

00:58:54.740 He said,

00:58:55.000 you call him governor.

00:58:56.720 Okay, I appreciate him,

00:58:58.320 but I also appreciate you.

00:58:59.780 Gavin works.

00:59:00.240 He's a military guy.

00:59:01.100 I'm called new scum, buddy.

00:59:02.500 Exactly.

00:59:03.160 I think you can take...

00:59:03.700 I could handle Gavin

00:59:04.620 better than new scum,

00:59:05.820 which the six-year-olds

00:59:07.400 used to call me.

00:59:08.940 Hell of a thing

00:59:09.640 when an 86-year-old's

00:59:10.760 calling me that.

00:59:11.580 89, Mr. Trump.

00:59:12.940 You're 89.

00:59:14.600 The misogyny, okay?

00:59:16.440 Here's the thing

00:59:16.800 about consecration

00:59:17.420 is you have a direct

00:59:19.580 financial incentive

00:59:20.880 at all times

00:59:22.020 to feed into

00:59:23.540 people's resentment

00:59:25.100 and to feed into

00:59:26.100 their anger

00:59:26.680 and to feed into...

00:59:27.400 It's just the way

00:59:28.960 the algorithms work.

00:59:29.880 I thought about this deeply

00:59:30.980 in the wake of Charlie Kirk.

00:59:32.120 I was thinking about

00:59:32.460 what I wanted to say

00:59:33.220 and I was looking around

00:59:34.280 on the internet

00:59:34.560 and I realized

00:59:34.900 it doesn't matter what I say.

00:59:36.260 It'll just be fed

00:59:37.180 to the person

00:59:37.720 that agrees with me.

00:59:38.820 It doesn't...

00:59:39.600 If I say something

00:59:40.320 that pisses somebody off,

00:59:41.660 they'll never see it again.

00:59:42.640 It'll go into the void.

00:59:44.160 We are going through

00:59:45.040 an algorithm

00:59:45.540 that just decides

00:59:46.520 what you want to see.

00:59:47.980 So, in that case,

00:59:49.720 there is a strong

00:59:50.480 financial incentive

00:59:51.260 to tell people

00:59:52.020 who can't find a house

00:59:53.520 or a partner

00:59:53.980 that it's immigrants' fault

00:59:55.660 or it's women's fault

00:59:56.520 or it's whoever.

00:59:59.140 Or it's the woke mind virus.

01:00:00.900 They'll tell you

01:00:01.660 it's someone's fault

01:00:02.300 and that's very comforting.

01:00:04.140 Yeah, it's very,

01:00:04.840 very comforting

01:00:05.360 if you're in that spot

01:00:06.260 to have an enemy,

01:00:07.320 to have someone

01:00:07.780 you can rally around

01:00:09.200 and get angry at

01:00:10.340 and again,

01:00:11.700 on the space I'm in

01:00:12.740 in Twitch,

01:00:13.500 the most right-wing aspects

01:00:15.440 of Twitch

01:00:15.840 are mostly talking about

01:00:16.720 how, man,

01:00:17.880 these woke people

01:00:18.920 are ruining gaming

01:00:19.800 because people

01:00:20.720 want to play games.

01:00:21.500 They'll be like,

01:00:21.840 oh, there's these

01:00:23.120 female characters

01:00:23.980 leading the game.

01:00:26.680 And it's like,

01:00:27.560 again,

01:00:27.920 this is a tiny problem

01:00:29.140 but it unites these people.

01:00:30.300 It's something

01:00:30.620 to rally around.

01:00:32.060 And so,

01:00:32.980 yeah,

01:00:34.960 it's a symptom

01:00:36.500 is what I'll say though.

01:00:37.400 Is the misogyny,

01:00:38.200 I mean,

01:00:38.420 it's probably amplified

01:00:39.180 by this

01:00:39.720 but it's because

01:00:40.600 they are resentful

01:00:41.360 and someone's going

01:00:42.160 to fill that void

01:00:42.780 and tell them

01:00:43.280 it's this person's problem.

01:00:44.800 So is that,

01:00:45.360 I mean,

01:00:45.580 is that why,

01:00:47.060 tell me,

01:00:47.780 I mean,

01:00:47.900 a lot of these spaces,

01:00:48.940 I mean,

01:00:49.160 then there's sort of

01:00:50.240 that echo chamber

01:00:50.980 and then you get

01:00:51.600 that confirmation bias,

01:00:52.900 the algorithms reinforcing

01:00:54.480 that,

01:00:55.100 your worldview is colored in,

01:00:56.980 it's amplified,

01:00:57.780 it becomes bigger

01:00:58.500 and you become

01:00:59.940 more convinced

01:01:00.800 or ideological

01:01:01.580 in that space

01:01:02.920 at the same time

01:01:03.740 and in some places

01:01:05.180 that leads you

01:01:05.860 to a comfortable place.

01:01:08.580 Other places

01:01:09.140 can leave you

01:01:09.700 a radicalized place

01:01:10.960 which could manifest

01:01:12.880 offline

01:01:13.600 in pretty significant ways,

01:01:16.560 right?

01:01:17.080 Yeah,

01:01:17.360 what I'll say is

01:01:18.080 people have gotten

01:01:19.360 radicalized in human history

01:01:21.060 without these platforms

01:01:22.780 and it's because

01:01:24.340 it's usually

01:01:26.100 when inequality

01:01:27.000 has reached a breaking point.

01:01:28.160 You go to the 20s

01:01:28.980 and 30s

01:01:29.460 or whatever

01:01:29.780 in Germany.

01:01:32.000 I don't think they were,

01:01:33.300 I don't think Germans

01:01:34.280 were a different people.

01:01:35.720 They were just,

01:01:36.280 they had hyperinflation,

01:01:37.500 they had bad economic problems

01:01:38.560 and it led to radicalization.

01:01:39.780 This happens in human history

01:01:40.780 all over.

01:01:41.500 People feel like

01:01:42.940 they can't get on the ladder,

01:01:44.180 they start going to edges.

01:01:45.600 I do think that

01:01:46.520 the internet has made it

01:01:47.520 faster,

01:01:48.500 it's made it quicker,

01:01:49.240 it's made it more virulent,

01:01:50.160 it lets people

01:01:50.880 get larger groups quicker.

01:01:53.560 There's a danger to that

01:01:54.680 but it's not the,

01:01:56.380 it's not the core

01:01:57.340 of the problem.

01:01:58.820 Banning it will not

01:01:59.660 change things

01:02:00.340 is what I'm trying to say.

01:02:01.020 Yeah,

01:02:01.420 the example of Nepal

01:02:03.840 is a cautionary tale

01:02:05.400 in that respect.

01:02:06.640 That's a hell of a cautionary tale.

01:02:08.120 People are not familiar with it.

01:02:09.980 I mean,

01:02:10.180 just look that up.

01:02:11.200 Yeah,

01:02:11.320 look it up.

01:02:11.880 And to see what happened

01:02:12.740 and just in,

01:02:13.560 almost just,

01:02:14.280 they lit a match.

01:02:15.280 No,

01:02:15.420 they did.

01:02:15.840 And how almost overnight

01:02:17.220 that radically

01:02:18.640 has changed the course

01:02:19.420 of the direction of the country.

01:02:19.820 It's actually incredible

01:02:21.200 because,

01:02:21.780 you know,

01:02:22.420 I'm in,

01:02:23.060 Nepalese,

01:02:23.780 their Gen Z movement

01:02:25.240 is all in a giant

01:02:26.500 800,000 person discord server

01:02:29.320 and they're voting

01:02:30.040 to decide the next prime minister,

01:02:31.660 which they,

01:02:32.040 interim prime minister,

01:02:32.740 they're going to have an actual vote.

01:02:33.740 But it's,

01:02:34.820 it is a wild,

01:02:36.120 small example

01:02:37.860 of how

01:02:38.360 the internet

01:02:39.820 is going to fuse

01:02:40.860 with these actual resentments

01:02:42.260 to create change

01:02:43.260 whether people like it or not

01:02:44.380 unless they're addressed.

01:02:46.100 What are you just,

01:02:46.800 in terms of addressing

01:02:47.520 more broadly

01:02:48.480 what's going on

01:02:49.540 on the internet?

01:02:50.840 What's your sort of

01:02:51.700 broader sense of

01:02:52.760 social media's responsibility

01:02:54.600 in that space

01:02:55.380 to police itself,

01:02:56.880 to police,

01:02:57.720 to police,

01:02:59.640 well,

01:03:01.300 speech,

01:03:02.400 to deal with the extremes,

01:03:05.540 to,

01:03:05.780 to have at least

01:03:07.380 some cues

01:03:08.260 that express some concern.

01:03:10.220 Yeah.

01:03:10.780 If things,

01:03:11.620 I mean,

01:03:11.880 or is it just complete

01:03:13.560 hands up?

01:03:14.220 It's a very tough question.

01:03:15.380 I don't know if I have

01:03:15.920 the answer to it

01:03:16.420 because

01:03:16.820 the answer everyone

01:03:18.860 will give you

01:03:19.420 is obviously

01:03:20.820 there's some speech

01:03:21.720 that is too far,

01:03:22.520 but nobody knows.

01:03:23.920 You know,

01:03:24.480 people have such

01:03:25.040 different views

01:03:26.160 and so

01:03:27.360 one person's,

01:03:29.320 this is a totally

01:03:29.780 normal,

01:03:30.300 fair thing to say,

01:03:30.980 is the other person,

01:03:31.480 that's horrible

01:03:32.100 disinformation

01:03:32.560 needs to be banned.

01:03:33.420 And we've seen

01:03:34.120 the shoe on both feet now.

01:03:35.380 We've seen people

01:03:36.420 that are really mad

01:03:37.200 about

01:03:37.580 the way

01:03:39.720 Twitter handled itself

01:03:40.920 during COVID

01:03:41.560 are now

01:03:42.320 hyper-defending

01:03:43.680 the president's right

01:03:44.420 to take down

01:03:45.000 a late-night host

01:03:46.520 for making a mild jab

01:03:47.860 in his direct,

01:03:48.280 I mean,

01:03:48.460 people are very

01:03:49.740 hypocritical on this front

01:03:50.820 because free speech

01:03:51.560 sounds great

01:03:52.140 when it's the speech

01:03:52.720 you like.

01:03:53.900 So I don't have the,

01:03:55.520 I'm not the guy

01:03:56.080 to give you

01:03:56.420 the right answer

01:03:56.960 on that.

01:03:57.600 I would just say,

01:03:58.940 you know,

01:04:00.640 human history

01:04:01.220 has shown time

01:04:01.900 and time again

01:04:02.500 that censorship

01:04:03.260 is a tool

01:04:05.700 for people

01:04:06.240 that cannot

01:04:07.280 win in the public

01:04:08.260 sphere.

01:04:08.620 They can't find

01:04:09.260 a way to get

01:04:09.920 their point across.

01:04:10.620 Yeah,

01:04:10.800 so is violence.

01:04:11.700 Yeah,

01:04:11.900 and violence,

01:04:12.360 yeah,

01:04:12.620 100%,

01:04:13.180 yeah.

01:04:14.120 Dad had the strong

01:04:15.460 belief that the devil

01:04:16.680 was attacking us.

01:04:17.600 Two brothers,

01:04:19.160 one devout household,

01:04:20.680 two radically

01:04:21.360 different paths.

01:04:22.740 Gabe Ortiz

01:04:23.360 became one of the

01:04:24.140 highest-ranking

01:04:24.820 law enforcement

01:04:25.400 officers in Texas.

01:04:26.800 32 years,

01:04:27.820 total law enforcement

01:04:28.580 experience.

01:04:29.500 But his brother Larry,

01:04:30.620 he stayed behind

01:04:31.440 and built an entirely

01:04:32.640 different legacy.

01:04:33.760 He was the head

01:04:34.960 of this gang

01:04:35.980 and nobody was

01:04:37.200 going to tell him

01:04:37.720 what to do.

01:04:38.340 You're going to push

01:04:38.740 that line for the cause.

01:04:40.080 Took us under his wing

01:04:41.120 and showed us

01:04:42.340 the game,

01:04:43.220 as they call it.

01:04:44.060 When Larry is murdered,

01:04:45.660 Gabe is forced to

01:04:46.440 confront the past

01:04:47.280 he tried to leave

01:04:48.040 behind and uncover

01:04:49.440 secrets he never

01:04:50.420 saw coming.

01:04:51.420 My dad had a whole

01:04:52.640 other life that we

01:04:53.740 never knew about.

01:04:55.480 Like,

01:04:55.820 my mom started

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01:05:30.180 The police, right?

01:05:32.120 But what if the

01:05:32.900 person you're

01:05:33.640 supposed to go to

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01:05:49.860 Detective Roger

01:05:50.640 Golupski spent

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01:06:02.880 until we came

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01:06:07.920 I told Roger

01:06:09.140 Golupski,

01:06:09.720 I said,

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01:06:29.260 like a rolling stone

01:06:30.440 came on

01:06:31.080 and he said,

01:06:32.080 there's a line in there

01:06:32.840 about your mother.

01:06:34.000 And I said,

01:06:34.520 what?

01:06:35.560 What I would do

01:06:36.420 if I didn't feel like

01:06:37.580 I was being accepted

01:06:38.600 is choose an identity

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01:06:54.620 13th season

01:06:56.420 of Family Secrets.

01:06:58.160 Whether you've been

01:06:58.720 on this journey

01:06:59.420 with me from season

01:07:00.540 one or just joining

01:07:02.360 the Family Secrets

01:07:03.260 family,

01:07:04.220 we're so happy

01:07:04.940 to have you with us.

01:07:06.260 I'll dive deep

01:07:07.200 into the incredible

01:07:08.300 power of secrets,

01:07:10.200 the ones that shape

01:07:11.300 our identities,

01:07:12.580 test our relationships,

01:07:13.600 and ultimately

01:07:14.940 reveal who we truly are.

01:07:17.660 Listen to Family Secrets

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01:07:22.580 your podcasts.

01:07:24.580 Michael Lewis here.

01:07:26.100 My book,

01:07:26.560 The Big Short,

01:07:27.200 tells the story

01:07:27.800 of the buildup

01:07:28.540 and burst

01:07:29.240 of the U.S. housing market

01:07:30.680 back in 2008.

01:07:32.220 It follows a few unlikely

01:07:33.600 but lucky people

01:07:34.680 who saw the real estate market

01:07:36.040 for the black hole

01:07:36.860 it would become

01:07:37.600 and eventually made

01:07:39.080 billions of dollars

01:07:40.180 from that perception.

01:07:41.120 It was like feeding

01:07:43.500 the monster,

01:07:44.180 said Eisman.

01:07:45.380 We fed the monster

01:07:46.340 until it blew up.

01:07:48.260 The monster was exploding.

01:07:50.860 Yet on the streets

01:07:51.580 of Manhattan,

01:07:52.320 there was no sign

01:07:53.060 anything important

01:07:53.900 had just happened.

01:07:55.900 Now, 15 years

01:07:57.120 after The Big Short's

01:07:57.980 original release

01:07:58.860 and a decade

01:07:59.820 after it became

01:08:00.820 an Academy Award-winning movie,

01:08:02.700 I've recorded

01:08:03.400 an audiobook edition

01:08:04.440 for the very first time.

01:08:06.560 The Big Short's story,

01:08:07.840 what it means

01:08:08.440 when people start

01:08:09.220 betting against the market,

01:08:10.320 and who really pays

01:08:11.820 for an unchecked

01:08:12.640 financial system,

01:08:13.860 is as relevant today

01:08:14.920 as it's ever been,

01:08:16.280 offering invaluable insight

01:08:17.800 into the current economy

01:08:19.300 and also today's politics.

01:08:22.120 Get The Big Short now

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01:08:30.900 Welcome to

01:08:31.720 Decoding Women's Health.

01:08:33.080 I'm Dr. Elizabeth Pointer,

01:08:34.680 Chair of Women's Health

01:08:35.640 and Gynecology

01:08:36.400 at the Atria Health Institute

01:08:37.840 in New York City.

01:08:38.680 On this show,

01:08:40.240 I'll be talking to

01:08:40.920 top researchers

01:08:41.700 and top clinicians,

01:08:43.380 asking them

01:08:44.020 your burning questions

01:08:45.280 and bringing that

01:08:46.100 information about

01:08:47.140 women's health

01:08:47.700 and midlife

01:08:48.420 directly to you.

01:08:49.760 A hundred percent

01:08:50.640 of women

01:08:51.020 go through menopause.

01:08:52.880 It can be such a struggle

01:08:54.560 for our quality of life,

01:08:56.460 but even if it's natural,

01:08:58.000 why should we

01:08:58.580 suffer through it?

01:08:59.640 The types of symptoms

01:09:00.500 that people talk about

01:09:01.540 is forgetting everything,

01:09:02.960 I never used to

01:09:03.700 forget things.

01:09:04.620 They're concerned that,

01:09:05.780 one, they have dementia,

01:09:06.800 and the other one is,

01:09:08.480 do I have ADHD?

01:09:10.020 There is unprecedented

01:09:11.560 promise with regard

01:09:13.540 to cannabis and cannabinoids

01:09:14.960 to sleep better,

01:09:15.860 to have less pain,

01:09:16.700 to have better mood,

01:09:17.560 and also to have

01:09:18.580 better day-to-day life.

01:09:20.540 Listen to Decoding

01:09:21.240 Women's Health

01:09:21.760 with Dr. Elizabeth Pointer

01:09:22.800 on the iHeartRadio app,

01:09:24.620 Apple Podcasts,

01:09:25.760 or wherever you're

01:09:26.600 listening now.

01:09:30.080 What about,

01:09:31.540 let's go back

01:09:32.540 to just AI generally.

01:09:33.900 I mean,

01:09:34.060 how is that,

01:09:34.880 and I'm just curious

01:09:35.560 in terms of just

01:09:37.100 what's happening

01:09:38.060 in the gaming space

01:09:39.000 as well,

01:09:39.440 more broadly,

01:09:40.140 even in the eSports space,

01:09:41.800 what's happening as well,

01:09:43.380 gambling,

01:09:44.500 how, I mean,

01:09:45.820 and how it just seems to me

01:09:46.960 that's sort of an iterative

01:09:47.940 part of all of this as well.

01:09:49.780 We talk about,

01:09:50.540 you know,

01:09:51.220 Kik and others,

01:09:52.040 it sort of seems like

01:09:53.080 they're moving

01:09:53.620 more and more

01:09:54.520 in that direction,

01:09:55.860 crypto, gaming,

01:09:57.520 I mean,

01:09:58.020 or gambling.

01:09:59.660 I mean,

01:10:00.160 just maybe illuminate

01:10:01.400 a little bit.

01:10:01.900 Yeah,

01:10:02.220 I would love to talk

01:10:03.220 to you about,

01:10:03.820 you know,

01:10:04.100 people are talking

01:10:04.760 about how video games

01:10:06.260 are the problems

01:10:06.900 with young men.

01:10:07.860 I'll tell you,

01:10:08.700 the biggest two things

01:10:09.940 that are destroying

01:10:10.940 young men's ability

01:10:11.760 to get financially

01:10:12.400 on their feet

01:10:13.280 is crypto

01:10:14.160 and gambling,

01:10:15.720 sports gambling particularly.

01:10:17.060 These two things

01:10:18.080 are a viral cancer

01:10:21.380 that are just ripping

01:10:22.760 these people's ability

01:10:23.540 to get a financial

01:10:24.240 leg up apart.

01:10:25.560 Young men are attacked

01:10:27.900 with ads nonstop

01:10:29.440 on off-rack,

01:10:30.520 because again,

01:10:30.880 if you are financially stuck,

01:10:32.340 if you don't see a path

01:10:33.320 with your normal wages

01:10:35.640 getting a house,

01:10:36.740 then you have to take

01:10:37.540 that 100x bet.

01:10:38.800 You have to take that odd.

01:10:39.520 You have to take

01:10:39.740 that crazy bet.

01:10:40.820 And whether that's

01:10:41.340 punting all your money

01:10:42.140 on a weird meme coin

01:10:43.580 and praying

01:10:44.140 or it's putting it

01:10:45.380 on a seven-leg parlay

01:10:47.580 on DraftKings,

01:10:49.060 that is why

01:10:49.800 they're doing this.

01:10:50.580 And that is just

01:10:51.800 stealing their money

01:10:52.880 every day

01:10:53.940 and it's making them

01:10:55.260 more frustrated

01:10:56.940 and depressed.

01:10:57.620 Again,

01:10:57.880 I find those two things,

01:10:59.000 I speak about them

01:10:59.500 all the time,

01:11:00.540 those two things

01:11:01.120 and buy-now-pay-later.

01:11:02.380 These buy-now-pay-later

01:11:03.100 companies are just

01:11:04.140 offering people

01:11:05.480 the ability to buy things

01:11:07.540 they cannot afford

01:11:08.560 and putting them

01:11:09.560 on stuck in debt cycles

01:11:11.580 early,

01:11:12.040 on small purchases.

01:11:13.240 People are buy-now-pay-latering

01:11:14.380 groceries

01:11:14.820 and all these three things,

01:11:17.900 yeah, crypto,

01:11:18.500 gambling,

01:11:18.720 I'm glad you bought this out.

01:11:19.460 These things are,

01:11:20.340 what I'm seeing among Gen Z

01:11:21.600 the most,

01:11:22.600 are just attacking them

01:11:23.840 financially.

01:11:24.580 And at the time

01:11:25.620 when they really

01:11:26.900 don't need it,

01:11:27.820 more than any,

01:11:29.060 boomers can take this,

01:11:29.940 Gen Z cannot take loss

01:11:31.800 of this month's paycheck

01:11:34.060 on a crypto.

01:11:35.260 They just can't do it.

01:11:36.380 And so,

01:11:37.340 yeah,

01:11:38.400 I am strongly,

01:11:39.480 I mean,

01:11:39.700 it's so crazy

01:11:40.260 because we barely

01:11:41.040 regulated crypto

01:11:42.080 under Biden.

01:11:43.140 We were making some progress

01:11:44.100 and now it's out the window,

01:11:46.980 Kevin.

01:11:47.280 I mean,

01:11:47.480 the president made

01:11:49.340 five billion off a meme coin.

01:11:50.680 It's ridiculous.

01:11:51.820 I find it so deeply frustrating

01:11:54.180 when I see these crypto grifters

01:11:55.820 or David Sachs

01:11:57.020 as a crypto czar

01:11:57.780 with all these business interests.

01:11:59.280 it's so frustrating

01:12:01.140 to see them just milk

01:12:02.180 regular people dry

01:12:03.660 on crypto.

01:12:07.040 And then every sports thing

01:12:08.860 you watch

01:12:09.220 is 500 gambling ads.

01:12:12.280 I don't know.

01:12:13.260 Yeah,

01:12:13.520 sorry.

01:12:13.900 I went on a rant there.

01:12:14.920 Those two things actually

01:12:15.960 I'm very passionate about

01:12:16.740 because I don't see the upside.

01:12:18.500 I really don't.

01:12:18.960 I don't see who's benefiting

01:12:19.980 outside of,

01:12:21.880 you know,

01:12:22.140 putting a casino

01:12:22.620 in everybody's pocket

01:12:23.260 is just a stupid idea.

01:12:24.400 No,

01:12:26.040 look,

01:12:26.340 I mean,

01:12:26.540 I'm dealing with it

01:12:27.480 with my son right now

01:12:28.480 that 13 year old

01:12:29.660 is like,

01:12:30.140 why are you working?

01:12:32.120 You know,

01:12:32.300 you're such a loser.

01:12:33.700 You only make 170 grand a year

01:12:36.960 as governor.

01:12:37.820 So pathetic.

01:12:38.660 You know,

01:12:38.800 I'm making,

01:12:39.360 I made,

01:12:39.860 you know,

01:12:40.000 50 bucks.

01:12:40.720 Look at this.

01:12:41.300 15 minutes,

01:12:42.420 you know,

01:12:42.740 and look at what now

01:12:43.560 I'm down to three bucks.

01:12:44.420 Wait,

01:12:44.600 no,

01:12:44.740 I make 75.

01:12:45.780 Like,

01:12:45.980 he literally is like an addict

01:12:47.640 waking up at late at night.

01:12:49.300 Give me the phone.

01:12:49.840 Give me the phone.

01:12:50.260 Just one second to see

01:12:51.240 if he's up $3 or Robinhood.

01:12:54.580 100%.

01:12:54.980 Damn.

01:12:55.500 That is what's happening.

01:12:56.740 And,

01:12:57.180 and that idea of like,

01:12:58.580 why the hell would I work?

01:12:59.780 Why would I add up my money

01:13:01.040 over 30 years?

01:13:02.040 No,

01:13:02.180 he thinks I'm the biggest idiot

01:13:03.600 in the world.

01:13:04.380 Yeah.

01:13:04.660 Yeah.

01:13:05.340 That's what I've seen all the time.

01:13:06.880 You know,

01:13:07.020 I talk finances to my audience a lot.

01:13:08.640 It's a big part of my content

01:13:09.360 is business and finances.

01:13:10.920 And man,

01:13:12.280 they just,

01:13:12.860 they're being fed this idea

01:13:14.240 that like,

01:13:15.240 the saving money is,

01:13:16.440 is stupid.

01:13:17.480 It's stupid.

01:13:18.080 It'll never work.

01:13:18.880 Inflation's going to eat that away.

01:13:19.820 You have to take

01:13:20.780 these high risk bets.

01:13:21.800 Yeah.

01:13:22.180 But they don't frame them

01:13:22.780 as high risk.

01:13:23.240 They frame them as guarantees.

01:13:24.320 They frame them as shirts.

01:13:25.320 I made the mistake of buying,

01:13:28.040 getting YouTube videos

01:13:29.720 of Warren Buffett,

01:13:30.660 bored.

01:13:31.060 He was bored.

01:13:32.020 Getting him then,

01:13:33.040 coloring books

01:13:33.960 that are versions

01:13:34.640 of Warren Buffett's lessons.

01:13:36.220 He's like,

01:13:36.540 who's Warren Buffett?

01:13:37.460 Who's this old guy?

01:13:38.080 Yeah.

01:13:38.280 Who is this guy?

01:13:39.100 What the hell is he know?

01:13:40.980 There's this dude

01:13:41.980 that's online,

01:13:42.940 man,

01:13:43.260 that just told me,

01:13:44.020 like literally,

01:13:44.660 I don't even remember

01:13:45.320 who his financial advisor is,

01:13:47.120 but he's some guy,

01:13:47.760 like literally some YouTube guy.

01:13:49.940 That is,

01:13:50.440 luckily,

01:13:52.840 we only have a thousand bucks

01:13:54.200 that he's been able to say,

01:13:55.560 so we'll survive his lesson,

01:13:57.900 but hopefully I'll have

01:13:58.520 an early lesson.

01:13:59.560 Look,

01:13:59.920 I appreciate the lesson,

01:14:01.480 though,

01:14:01.620 you're trying to preach here,

01:14:03.160 at least express,

01:14:04.500 is a deeper understanding

01:14:05.800 of these more systemic issues

01:14:07.160 and that we can get caught up

01:14:08.740 in finding scapegoats.

01:14:10.540 We can get caught up

01:14:11.340 in finding conspiracy theories

01:14:12.760 or just the easy out.

01:14:14.400 And as you suggest,

01:14:15.380 I mean,

01:14:15.560 if the oversight,

01:14:16.460 if the lessons

01:14:17.040 on what is alleged

01:14:20.000 to have occurred

01:14:20.840 with this tragedy

01:14:22.260 with Charlie Kirk

01:14:23.120 is to then

01:14:25.360 haul up people

01:14:26.480 on Discord

01:14:27.060 and the CEOs of Twitch

01:14:28.960 and all these things,

01:14:30.480 we're missing a deeper,

01:14:32.040 deeper point.

01:14:32.100 I think it's a massive

01:14:34.600 wrong direction

01:14:35.480 that is just going

01:14:36.640 to lead to more

01:14:38.440 of what we're already seeing,

01:14:39.300 more spiraling,

01:14:40.120 more anger,

01:14:40.800 more feel like the politicians

01:14:41.520 don't hear the voice,

01:14:42.420 don't understand.

01:14:44.840 You know,

01:14:45.540 if they want to haul up

01:14:46.280 these CEOs

01:14:46.800 and ask them about

01:14:47.600 how the platforms work,

01:14:49.580 get a better understanding,

01:14:50.540 that's sure.

01:14:51.160 But if they're there

01:14:51.800 to like point the finger

01:14:52.700 that Discord caused this

01:14:54.160 or Twitch caused this,

01:14:56.240 it's,

01:14:57.160 I just,

01:14:57.920 I promise you,

01:14:58.700 it's absurd.

01:14:59.240 I promise you,

01:15:00.080 it will change nothing.

01:15:02.880 They'll go,

01:15:03.560 they'll go,

01:15:03.980 they'll go deeper

01:15:04.460 into the internet.

01:15:05.020 They'll just burrow

01:15:05.800 deeper somewhere else.

01:15:06.820 These are relatively safe,

01:15:08.740 moderated platforms.

01:15:09.600 These are not the problem.

01:15:10.800 This is,

01:15:11.780 it's just people

01:15:12.500 using the internet

01:15:13.080 to try and find connection

01:15:14.540 where they can't find it

01:15:15.500 in real life

01:15:15.940 because there's,

01:15:16.640 there's not opportunities.

01:15:20.000 Lemonade stand.

01:15:21.280 What's the,

01:15:21.960 what's the goal

01:15:22.500 with the podcast?

01:15:23.520 Is it,

01:15:23.980 is it to illuminate

01:15:25.040 an entrepreneurial mindset?

01:15:26.440 The notion of a lemonade stand.

01:15:28.020 Many of our first

01:15:29.320 business experiences

01:15:30.580 was selling lemonade,

01:15:32.440 differentiating our brand,

01:15:33.980 decommoditizing a commodity,

01:15:35.960 selling it for an extra

01:15:36.960 five cents,

01:15:37.820 25 cents,

01:15:38.800 or,

01:15:39.160 you know,

01:15:39.500 fresh lemonade

01:15:40.120 versus the sugar version.

01:15:42.240 What's,

01:15:42.780 what's the idea behind it?

01:15:44.280 Lemonade stand's our podcast.

01:15:45.580 It's myself,

01:15:46.800 my friend Aiden,

01:15:47.800 and my friend Doug,

01:15:48.480 all of them are content creators.

01:15:49.480 Doug, Doug.

01:15:50.080 Doug, Doug.

01:15:50.720 You can do your homework.

01:15:51.900 Come on, buddy.

01:15:52.760 And the idea was

01:15:54.300 we are three guys

01:15:55.080 who are only qualified

01:15:56.040 to run a lemonade stand.

01:15:56.920 We're not,

01:15:57.480 we're not bringing

01:15:58.160 deep expertise here.

01:15:59.400 We have business backgrounds.

01:16:00.500 We have,

01:16:00.840 you know,

01:16:02.260 backgrounds of our own.

01:16:03.000 We've started these media,

01:16:04.420 these small media companies,

01:16:05.560 but really we're,

01:16:06.540 we are just going to do our best

01:16:07.440 to understand

01:16:08.960 and read about what's going on

01:16:10.020 and present it in a way

01:16:11.200 with the lingo

01:16:11.840 and the slang

01:16:12.560 and the,

01:16:13.500 of what this audience

01:16:14.820 wants to hear it in.

01:16:15.800 That's the idea.

01:16:16.540 We're not going to be

01:16:17.200 right about everything,

01:16:18.100 but we're not going to be

01:16:19.260 trying to sway you.

01:16:22.440 We're not going to be trying,

01:16:23.220 we have no ulterior motive.

01:16:24.460 We're just interested

01:16:25.460 in talking about it

01:16:26.980 with each other.

01:16:28.260 I love it.

01:16:28.580 Well,

01:16:28.740 it was fun to talk about

01:16:30.140 everything we just talked about

01:16:31.400 with each other.

01:16:32.060 I appreciate you bringing

01:16:33.460 your authentic voice

01:16:34.420 and perspective on this.

01:16:35.800 And I also appreciate

01:16:36.460 your stubbornness on

01:16:37.480 pay attention to the thing

01:16:39.260 that is the thing

01:16:40.140 that explains all

01:16:41.380 of the other things.

01:16:43.160 And that are these

01:16:43.940 sort of tectonic plates

01:16:45.500 of wealth

01:16:46.040 and income inequality

01:16:47.760 that are growing

01:16:49.180 and growing

01:16:49.820 and a divide

01:16:50.580 that is not just

01:16:52.060 a political divide

01:16:52.980 that is a societal divide

01:16:54.660 unless we address,

01:16:56.320 forget which party

01:16:57.760 you're associated with,

01:16:59.660 but the whole fabric

01:17:00.660 of our society

01:17:01.380 is going to fray apart.

01:17:02.880 A. Druck,

01:17:03.240 thanks for being with us.

01:17:04.800 Thank you.

01:17:05.580 Thank you.

01:17:11.580 I know he has a reputation,

01:17:13.520 but it's going to catch up to him.

01:17:15.080 Gabe Ortiz is a cop.

01:17:16.580 His brother Larry,

01:17:17.880 a mystery Gabe

01:17:18.560 didn't want to solve

01:17:19.400 until it was too late.

01:17:21.100 He was the head

01:17:22.340 of this gang.

01:17:23.520 You're going to push

01:17:23.940 that line for the cause.

01:17:25.260 Took us under his wing

01:17:26.320 and showed us the game,

01:17:28.420 as they call it.

01:17:29.880 When Larry's killed,

01:17:31.080 Gabe must untangle

01:17:31.860 a dangerous past,

01:17:33.240 one that could destroy

01:17:34.180 everything he thought he knew.

01:17:35.880 Listen to the Brothers Ortiz

01:17:37.080 on the iHeartRadio app,

01:17:38.540 Apple Podcasts,

01:17:39.460 or wherever you get

01:17:40.520 your podcasts.

01:17:41.940 Who would you call

01:17:43.080 if the unthinkable happened?

01:17:44.780 My sister was shot

01:17:45.500 22 times.

01:17:46.720 A police officer, right?

01:17:47.980 But what do you do

01:17:49.440 when the monster

01:17:50.120 is the man in blue?

01:17:51.420 This dude is the devil.

01:17:52.620 He'll hurt you.

01:17:54.240 This is the story

01:17:55.300 of a detective

01:17:55.960 who thought he was

01:17:56.800 above the law

01:17:57.680 until we came together

01:17:59.100 to take him down.

01:18:01.500 I said,

01:18:01.940 you're going to see my face

01:18:03.140 till the day that you die.

01:18:05.400 I got you.

01:18:06.360 I got you.

01:18:07.100 I got you.

01:18:08.440 Listen to the Girlfriends

01:18:09.700 Untouchable

01:18:10.580 on the iHeartRadio app,

01:18:12.620 Apple Podcasts,

01:18:13.800 or wherever you get

01:18:14.800 your podcasts.

01:18:15.320 I got you.

01:18:16.420 Welcome to Decoding

01:18:20.260 Women's Health.

01:18:21.160 I'm Dr. Elizabeth Pointer,

01:18:22.860 Chair of Women's Health

01:18:23.820 and Gynecology

01:18:24.560 at the Adria Health Institute

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