Taking On Fox News (Live with Terry Moran!)
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This week on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler, Sophia Bush is here to tell me how that feels to be a hot, considered a hot lesbian. Plus, why is a soap opera western like Yellowstone so wildly successful? The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, where we'll delve into stories of the West and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.
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Just like great shoes, great books take you places.
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Through unforgettable love stories and into conversations with characters you'll never forget.
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I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies.
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This week on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler, Sophia Bush is here.
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Tell me how that feels to be a hot, considered a hot lesbian.
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When you're actually more fluid with your sexuality, the swing goes from,
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to, you better identify exactly who you are so we can figure out what name to call you.
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And it's like, has nobody been paying attention to, like, all the hot girls I've been kissing on camera?
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Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Why is a soap opera western like Yellowstone so wildly successful?
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The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network.
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So join me starting Tuesday, May 6th, where we'll delve into stories of the West
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and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.
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Listen to the American West with Dan Flores on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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And by the way, you're in Springfield right now?
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And today, DHS announced 60 days, and they're gone for the Haitians.
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So the families that I met with who are, you know, law-abiding, they're working, they fill out W-2s, they pay taxes, they got Social Security numbers.
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Trump wants them out based on his slander of them.
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And they have 60 days, and they're hiding in their homes, Governor.
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And the babies, 1,200 babies born since they've been here, now the Supreme Court throws their fate into doubt?
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It's, you know, and good for you, and forgive me to selfishly state it so often, and it's so interesting, just from your prism now, this sort of new alignment with what you're doing, that you're going back to a story that everybody's moved on from.
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That was weaponized in a rubric of debates and a political campaign, and now reminding everybody of the human side of all this and the impacts.
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But it's what you just said about the mayor and the governor and the community.
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This only reinforces just the absurdity of this moment.
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And now you're fighting back in a really interesting way.
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I assume everybody's watching at this point, and there'll be more coming.
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Well, the beef is, you know, you can't maliciously slander someone.
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You can't defame someone by altering facts, editing facts, knowingly doing that, without being held to some higher level of ethics and accountability.
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Look, we all know Fox is a propaganda network, but it's under the guise of being a news organization, being journalists.
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And there's rules of engagement as it relates to that.
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And, you know, Donald Trump and I had a phone call on June 6th, early morning, maybe June 7th.
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Four days later, Donald Trump lied and said, well, we talked the day before.
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I highlighted, in fact, we never talked the day before.
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Fox decided to cover up for the president's lie, and they knowingly did that in a way that defamed.
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And I've been on the receiving end of Fox for years and years and years.
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You know, you've got to file these in your own individual accord.
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I mean, they had a chyron who said, Gavin lied about Trump.
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I mean, so they've got to apologize if they don't.
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And this, they reacted to the Dominion lawsuit with a press release that they put out against
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this lawsuit that almost was, you know, you almost could have cut and pasted it.
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But what they did do is they didn't fundamentally change their practices.
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But this is about changing these practices, these unethical practices.
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And Jesse tries to assert himself in that respect.
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And I got a bunch of calls saying, why did you lie about the Trump call from friends?
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I said, well, that's not what I'm seeing on Fox.
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It was not just on the 65 million people that watched Fox and Fox business, but hundreds
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That is the way that the system works on that side.
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Look, I was obviously in corporate legacy, mainstream media, whatever you want.
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But it's like they're fighting or they're trying to tell the truth, blindfolded to the
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reality of what's happening to the truth, is what I would say.
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It was frustrating being in there because Trump has this power of bending reality for people.
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And Fox's sister, his whole ecosphere assists him in doing that.
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And kind of both sides or the kind of vocabulary that you can use is very difficult to serve
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And it's, it's, it's, it's, look, it's, and that's not newsworthy in and of itself, what
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And you'd think Fox, who's just the most blatant and, you know, I mean, just notoriously the
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most blatant as it relates to being a propaganda network, would have learned that lesson with
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But they haven't, and they continue to cover up for the folly and the lies of this president.
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It did it just a few moments ago, quite literally, about water in California again.
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You don't willfully and knowingly and maliciously cover up for those lies, edit information, and
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alter what you present as fact and defame people.
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Is there something about the past few months in this second term?
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And I don't want to post facto rationalize what I did.
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I thought I was describing accurately a public figure in America.
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By the way, a few words rung more true than those words.
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And actually, what was worse is it wasn't like a drunk tweet.
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I actually looked at it, and I read it, and I thought, yeah, that's true.
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But my point is that there is this hammer blow, this daily bludgeoning of the body politic
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And I've seen you over the past couple of years, it seems.
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One of the things I really respected and enjoyed you doing was crossing off going to Fox and
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debating Hannity, you know, taking him on and having a good debate with DeSantis.
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People appreciate that, but is there something about the past few months and the Democrats
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crying out for someone to do something that is part of the background to you pulling what
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Look, back to the lawsuit, but let me go back almost three years ago to today because we
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We lamented the anniversary of the Dobbs decision three years ago.
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And I remember being a Planned Parenthood in Southern California, in L.A., saying, where
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And it wasn't an indictment of individual leaders.
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It wasn't even an indictment of the, you know, the DNC.
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It was sort of, frankly, it was my own lack of accountability at this moment.
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The other side was dominating the narrative on CRT and DEI, ESG.
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They were sensory and historic facts, rewriting history, quite literally rewriting social studies
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And I was watching the weaponization and the propaganda coming from these networks, not
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just Fox, One American News, Newsmax, and how they're able to shapeshift the conversation
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and how my party, the Democratic Party, was consistently on the defense.
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The world we're living in has happened on our watch.
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And so I decided I needed to actually not just complain about something, I needed to
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And that's when I started to reach out and went on Fox.
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Let's go into Ronald Reagan's old building, the old governor's mansion, where Reagan was.
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Let's do an unedited hour, hour and a half interview.
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And I appreciate your reference to the debate with Ron DeSantis.
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A lot of my members of my party were critical, saying, why do you even indulge those guys?
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But I thought it's important to meet people where they are.
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So I say all that in the context of this lawsuit.
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I have a high threshold for the bullshit on Fox, is the point.
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I wouldn't do this unless I felt they really did cross the line.
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I really did hope and expect after that Dominion lawsuit, they would stop.
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And right now, if you're covering up for the cruelty, God bless you, that's the right word,
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not just the chaos for the abject lies and mistruths of this administration, you can't
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lay claim to being a news organization any longer.
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I think that is exactly the conundrum that my former colleagues and across the establishment,
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legacy, corporate, mainstream media, whatever you want to call it, they are doing their best.
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But there's something that's changed in this moment.
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It is a moment in history where it requires a different response, I think.
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And I do think that I wonder if one of the things you're trying to do is give heart to
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people who see this, who are bludgeoned and either on the sidelines.
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They may have even voted for Trump, don't like it.
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Or certainly the people who didn't vote for Trump feeling in despair.
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He is all powerful, controlling the narrative, and now just bringing the hammer down in every
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Just like great shoes, great books take you places through unforgettable love stories and
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into conversations with characters you'll never forget.
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I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of, like, butterflies.
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I'm Danielle Robay, and this is Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, the new podcast from
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This week on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler.
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Tell me how that feels to be a hot, considered a hot lesbian.
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You know what's funny is you do this weird math, like if you're a woman dating men, nobody
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They just want to either say, like, you're a prude or a slut, you know?
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If you don't date, you must be frigid, whatever.
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And then the thing that gets added when you're actually more fluid with your sexuality is the
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swing goes to, you better identify exactly who you are so we can figure out what name
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And, you know, I sort of looked around and was like, has nobody been paying attention
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to like all the hot girls I've been kissing on camera?
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You know, maybe not in front of you off camera, but hi, I've always been here.
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The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the MeatEater Podcast Network, hosted
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I wish I could show you a video I just got right before we went on from a friend of mine down in San Diego
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in this young woman, torn away from her car by masked men, screaming and yelling.
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Turns out to be a housekeeper at a well-known hotel in Southern California, a member of Local 11,
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and Unite here, just ripped off the streets by masked men.
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You have the U.S. military in the streets of Los Angeles in 2025.
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I mean, this is, to your point, things have radically changed.
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People talk about, I heard, you know, there's been some punditry, you know,
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And it depends which lens, which set of eyes you have.
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For some of us that have more privilege, we're not there yet.
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And so I want to speak for those folks, to your point.
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Yeah, for things to change, you've got to change.
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It's not what happens, it's how we respond to what happens.
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And I need to be held to a higher level of accountability.
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And so I appreciate the frame of your question.
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You know, I changed when those National Guard were federalized.
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I changed when I started to see members of our community torn asunder,
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and things that I've never thought I'd see in this country.
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I was with a 12-year-old boy, same age as my kids,
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They went to the same job site they've been going to 20 years in Oxnard, California.
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He didn't even know how to get back in his own house.
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So when you say those words, Terry, about Stephen Miller,
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And it's wrong for us to operate under the old rules.
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But a lot of people are counting us to do more and be better.
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That's where we have to find our courage, right?
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And I appreciate what you're saying about that.
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one of the things, if you don't mind a personal note,
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and actually very, very kind and genuine support
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for something I didn't, you know, from one perspective,
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This is not the way I'd recommend leaving a job.
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But as I said, I'm kind of exhilarated and excited
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But I do feel that it became, for a lot of people,
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A sense that, okay, whatever you think of what he said,
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one of the young Haitian men that I spoke with,
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got on Obamacare, got the brain tumor operated on,
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So there are thousands of people hiding in their homes
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These are good people, the vast majority of them.
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It is a disgrace, but you've reinforced this point.
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And I want to amplify the point I think you're making,
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And so we cannot maintain neutrality at this time.
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I want both to know we're not just going to roll over
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against these authoritarian tendencies in Trumpism.
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with Mondani winning and Cuomo going down to defeat,
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but it would not work in other parts of the country.
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They haven't gotten the message about the cynicism,
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the good hard work of saving the country, right?
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And the Supreme Court made it more challenging today.
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You know, I'm sort of paraphrasing Bill Clinton.
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We're going to have to define the terms of the future
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And for those people that turned out and voted,
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And I think for all the assaults on institutions,