#578 - Ben Affleck
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Summary
Ben Affleck is an actor, writer, and director. He s won an Oscar for many of his movies, like Good Will Hunting, Gone Girl and Gone Girl. He has a new film, The Accountant 2, in theaters this Friday with Jon Bernthal, you may have seen the first one. Today s guest is Mr. Affleck.
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Today's guest is an actor, a writer, a director.
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You know his movies, like Good Will Hunting, Gone Girl, Batman.
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It's in theaters this Friday with Jon Bernthal.
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I wonder if you lose vanity as you get a little bit older.
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It's hard to tell because, you know, you see some people like doing crazy looking things
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Oh, like the guy who's on Celebrity Big Brother right now.
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I don't know what you're talking about, but I can imagine.
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Like, if you see yourself all the time, and especially if like the way you make a living
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is by kind of in part the way you look or whatever, it feels like, you know, people
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No, no judgment against him, but he just, you know, it's like you can, it's definitely
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an active, yeah, some people it's like an active thing.
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And then you're in a real kind of like conundrum with yourself because you have to get old
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so then you would constantly be feeling like afraid to get older, I guess, or you'd be
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Like, you know, nobody wants to get older, right?
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Because what it means is like you're going to die and nobody wants to really face that.
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And also you just find out like, you know, I, you know, you're 50, man.
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You'll, when you get there, you'll see like just regular shit that used to be normal hurts.
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Like moving around, you're like, damn, what happened to me today?
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Oh, because I got up and then I sat back down, you know what I mean?
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Movement creates like small injuries all the time, you know?
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And so you start to get a little bit, that, that can kind of affect you.
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And I think if you, I think part of it's you got to just get comfortable with the fact
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that, you know, and I guess I'm lucky cause I'm, I don't feel like, oh shit, I better
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look young and I, you know, kind of am who I am and, and, um, I'm all right with that.
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And also kind of what I, what I like, what I'm interested in more and more is stuff that
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doesn't necessarily involve like how I look like that pressure.
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I think like for women, I, for me, for anybody who's sees himself all the time, it's like,
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I think that can turn into like a, a vicious cycle of, uh, trying to look at shit and fix
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Uh, whereas like, you don't have to look any kind of way to direct movies, you know what
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Do you, it's hard to know if you, it would seem like you seem like a guy who likes being
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in Hollywood or doesn't like being in Hollywood, I guess.
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There's things I really like about it and things I really don't like.
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And I wish they didn't have to be together, but they are right.
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Like it's kind of life is there's, you got to take the good with the bad.
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I don't really like to like do big social events or go out much.
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Certainly when I'm like in my regular life and I'm walking around in my, you know, whatever
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underwear and t-shirts, I don't want people looking at me.
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I don't, I don't know how many people really want to be sort of scrutinized in that way,
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but I, I really like making movies and I like telling those stories.
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And so look, the truth is I always knew that was kind of a part of it.
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I don't, there's things I, I don't love about this business.
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A lot of them, you know, it can make you kind of crazy, you know, it can record and there's
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Like, you know, events and shows and stuff like that.
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I don't, some people really know how to have a good time.
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I wish I was out there like, great, we're going to hit it.
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Like, as if I had that attitude, I'd probably be happier about it.
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There's always like a lot of this, like, so we were like, you don't like being in a crowd.
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I'm like, I have a crowd inside of me right now.
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I got 30 people in here and we're out of hors d'oeuvres.
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So I got enough fucking problems on the interior right now.
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So I can talk, dude, I can totally, I can totally relate to that.
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And every time there is an, and then we'll get off this.
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I want to talk, I know you, I want to talk to you about directing and acting, but because
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yeah, I was just, I was like, this bit is so, because they always get pictures of you
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where you seem like you're like the, the, the dwarf that like is kind of like the backup
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dwarf, you know, like you're on the side, you're smoky, you're like, what is that guy?
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I didn't, I don't know that character, but it was like, is he pissed?
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And not dwarf, like you're a regular heighted guy, but it's like, but I shouldn't have said
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dwarf, I shouldn't say anything, but it was like, um, I don't know.
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They all, and it's like, they only put this chronology out of you that makes you seem like
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Well, here's the thing, um, if the only time, like when somebody is taking a picture
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of me, I'm bummed because usually I'm with my kids, I'm trying to go somewhere and then
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there's four guys who are like, and I'm like, Hey man, every time, can you give me some time?
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So the look on your face is kind of like, and then they go away and not taking the picture
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or you go inside and you're having a good time.
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But it's this selective experience of like, take a picture of somebody every time they're feeling
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It's like, I'll come piss you off and then take your picture and then put, and then be
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That's exactly what, that's exactly what that whole system is really.
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Cause that's why, like, you know, I'm sure you've seen on all this stuff like the, you
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know, that's kind of the idea is like fall somebody around antagonize them.
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And then hopefully they'll have like a nervous breakdown and go crazy on you.
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And then your video be worth more money, you know?
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It's, it's such a, it's that whole thing gets really black mirrorish, man.
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like I can remember a long time ago, you know, years and years ago, like I really had a lot
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of empathy for Britney Spears because I remember that it seemed like, I mean, it's not somebody
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that I, I knew or hung out with, but I just like everybody else, you see all this shit
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that comes through and I, but having had my own experiences myself, I knew like these are
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people are following her around in a time where she may or may not have been having difficulty.
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I don't know, cause I don't know her, but I do know that the, the cycle of having people
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harangue you and yell at you and hassle you and follow you, it kind of seemed like that
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itself was kind of whipping up the whole thing into a tizzy.
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And they're, they're kind of poking a stick at it and going, look, look, look at it.
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And that's where it felt kind of like, that's the first time I thought this is kind of a,
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a weird kind of, um, uh, unintentional, I think culturally, but kind of collective cruelty
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where what's taken out of the image that you see are the people around, you know, waving
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the stick at the tiger or poking on it or whatever.
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Um, and you, all you see is the, the growling animal or whatever it is.
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Um, but like that, a part of that is because somebody's coming around and, you know, uh,
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hitting on it or whatever to make it get active.
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And that's where you think, okay, well, this isn't really news.
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It's not what would be happening if this effect wasn't taking place.
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And, and that's where I thought, okay, you know, the, the sort of wise thing to do is
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to just sort of like maintain one's perspective and try to remove yourself a little bit.
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I think there's this sense that, that like, if you see someone's picture all the time,
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It's no good for you because I don't really want people.
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If they watch a movie to be like, that's not him.
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Cause I saw him yesterday at lunch and I know he's who he really is.
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It gets in the way of you being able to create like the illusion.
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It's really hard work to create the illusion that this person, like the character in the
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accountant too, for example, is a real person in a real circumstance in order to get the
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audience to care about it, to laugh, to find it exciting and empathize with the character.
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That's harder if you're constantly being shown something else.
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And it's also just, it's also not good for you.
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People start to resent you if they see you too much, no matter whether or not you're trying
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to be seen, you go, no, no, I don't want to do this.
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And nonetheless, like I remember 20 years ago going through an experience where I was
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Like I'm trying to shove myself in their face and nobody likes that.
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Nobody wants to be the, like the, the camera hog, the guy who's trying to get a bunch of
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Although I think it's, I don't pretend to understand the nuances and the, of social
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Some people do it really well, but, and I think there is a difference now because like, it's
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like, if you have a hundred million followers, that's actually valuable and meaningful in
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I still, I'm kind of old school, I guess, in a way of seeing medium school.
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I don't even think, I don't know if I graduated that one.
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Some of them, they let you skip, I guess, if you're, you know, depending on what county
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Bro, the scariest thing was when like the dumb bully kid got held back and you're like,
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And you had to stick around in your grade.
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Dude, they'd be like, bro, I remember we got word.
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Dude, we got word that Damien had gotten held back and people were like, oh, hell no, dude.
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Like Damien has to go out to pasture wherever they put these kids that leave sixth grade.
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You know, put a tire spike when he's leaving out of his driveway in the morning.
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But yeah, it is interesting and it is kind of a sickness.
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I think a lot of people see that stuff as a sickness these days.
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But I do think it's fascinating about the suspension of disbelief and that that was something
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that used to be amazing about celebrities is like you never got to see them, right?
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And so you only got to see them and actors and you only got to see them on screen and
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I mean, you would almost be shocked if you saw a celebrity in person or an actor in person
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who didn't like, like Indiana Jones, if he didn't have his head and whip.
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I was just going to say that is that when I was a kid, I kind of thought Harrison Ford
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I think he's probably the biggest, you know, movie star of my childhood.
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And whether it was like, you know, Indian Jones or Star Wars, like he was the guy.
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And so it's a little weird to see that guy just like, you know, in his sneakers and
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his kind of raincoat walking around Brentwood, it's sort of like, of course, it's disappointing
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or it's disillusioning or something because you have this thing in your mind that people
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went to a, you know, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas went to a whole, you know, use
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all their talent, went to a bunch of work to make this dude look like Indiana Jones and
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And I think what I've seen now is like, I actually don't even want to see like the
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I don't want to go on your social because I don't want to know what you had for lunch because
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it just makes it harder for me to get into like what, you know, what you're doing.
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And that's, I think that is a real directorial way to think.
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They just met in a room somewhere, but, um, but I never thought about that, that that's
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You don't want, you want them kind of, you want to Hollywood has almost bitten its own
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tail in that way because there's this underlying like valueless current really.
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It's Hollywood, it's, it's, it's Hollywood sort of adjacent, which is this side of media
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And there's a symbiotic relationship between Hollywood and obviously like here I am promote
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And now I don't want to go on like a tabloid and do that or whatever it is, but that, that
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And, and then you have like any interview show or all these, and you're right in a sense
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it is Hollywood because if you do a movie at universal, you know, you'll see that person's
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doing all NBC Comcast owned, you know, talk shows and appearances, right?
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Like it's not a coincidence because when they do their presentation in the boardroom for Comcast
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to their shareholders, they go, look, we make these movies, we spend a lot of money and
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then we get the stars and we plug them into all of our other shows that we also own.
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And then there's a lot of synergy, so on and so forth.
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The, the idea though is like, okay, there's, that's a, a kind of a tax that you end up
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sort of paying on your sort of life and the one hand, and on this thing that you're trying
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to build, which is something that connects with people and moves them and that they want
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to go out to a fucking movie theater and pay good money to see.
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And it makes it a little bit harder than to have to kind of go around and do all that other
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stuff and be like, okay, well, that's not who I really am.
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And that's, and, and, and to try to sort of be interesting and relevant in some other
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way that isn't really what you kind of even wanted to do.
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It's sort of part Hollywood and also kind of Hollywood adjacent and it is eating.
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In a way, because it's, because the acting in the creation, it's like a watch looking at
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It's like, this is picturesque and this is like how they meant the waves to look.
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And there's a current here and there's an inflow and outflow and something landed in
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the water over here and left a ripple and something else is, this is the B story and
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there's a ripple, but then it's this under, it's this, all this stuff under it.
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And it's almost starting to like kind of drain its own lake in a way.
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Like the movie as the kind of lake and the underneath of what's both what goes into it
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and what happens behind the scenes and also what's, what it takes.
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And it does kind of like, it's interesting, like, yeah, is it, if you overtax it, it lowers
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the lake and all of a sudden it doesn't look like a beautiful lake.
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It starts to look like, like the, the low country marsh and it pulls down.
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You start to see all the little black mud around the edges and the muck.
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And, and that's, um, yeah, I don't know how to kind of balance that, but as a, as a
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Like I would say that's the way, the principal way I've always kind of looked at this stuff.
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So it used to be that you, you had an actor and you had people knew less about them.
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And now a part of even casting for me is what do people think or of and expect this person
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to do and, or be, and how can I both, I have to rely on that and use that, but I also have
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the opportunity to kind of subvert that in a way.
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And, and so you have to be mindful, not just of the story you're telling, um, but what does
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the audience bring into the theater with them or, or, uh, when they turn on television, you
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That I think that's advanced thinking to be honest with you.
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Mostly, you know, find out like I even often make mistakes, you know, like if I sometimes
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have found if I sort of, uh, I did a movie where I had like a very blonde wig that was
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like a medieval, you know, I wish I was Ric Flair.
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The point where, and it was great director, Ridley Scott, and he had this idea for it.
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And, and I liked the, if that, if no one had, I think had ever seen me or whatever, I thought
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The problem is that people, I think what it did was Aaron Carter created noise.
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It was around, you know, look at this hair, is this different?
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And so now you look at it and you go, but I know he doesn't look like that.
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And so it causes you to kind of think it's false.
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That's an example of kind of probably not being able to go that far away from myself and still
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have people go, okay, I can sit aside what I know and just watch this story and, and
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It makes total sense that, that, that, that would start to affect how we see things.
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You know, there's something that's happening where it's hard to get people to believe in
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some of these movies, you know, and people's attention spans have changed.
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The, but the fact that like, even, even the online world, for example, you see now that
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like shorter and shorter and shorter, like clips are what, even my son, who's constantly
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showing me clips of you, by the way, you know what I mean?
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And he's, and he's, he now, when I watch him like scroll, it's like, he doesn't even
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He's like, you know, and he'll like a long period of time for him is four or five seconds.
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And it's, and then I'm like, Hey man, you know, let's watch this show or watch this
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He's got to really love something to sit through it.
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And then he, you know, binges like all the episodes.
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Like we just sat through like, and watch, you know, Invincible, this animated show,
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you know, and then it's like, let's keep going.
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And so it's this weird dichotomy of on the one hand, it's like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
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Then plug in and like mainline this one thing and eat it all up till it's gone.
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You didn't used to be able to, to like pause and select, or even have that much to choose
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Like though that many choices is overwhelming to the, to the mind.
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Like we weren't made, I don't believe evolutionarily and, and, and as human beings to like, you
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know, we're supposed to be living in like a village and see about a hundred people in
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That's the, the vast majority of human history.
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And I still feel like in a way that's how we're socialized.
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Um, it's why, for example, if you're feel left out of a group, it's very painful because
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like in, you know, thousands of years ago, if you got left out of the, the, the village,
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the group, whatever, and then take you to hunt, you died, right?
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And so it hits something really limbic inside of you.
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And even social media, for example, you're looking at stuff and you're going, damn, why
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And I'm seeing the life you're advertising looks so fucking cool.
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That also is like a, like a basic primal thing.
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And I think that's what, you know, this stuff kind of touches, but, but the amount of information
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now that comes in, because really now everybody's a celebrity, right?
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And it's really like 1100 followers is kind of, it's just a, it's not any different from
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But this is a form of, he can't even open his, both of his eyes at the same time.
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And, and, and that's kind of become the, that as the currency of man, that looks great.
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You know, that like the currency of like fame in and of itself as a desirable thing.
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Like people go, man, I want to be rich and famous.
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You know, famous is not, not going to make you happy.
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Cause it's like, Oh, people will like me and know my name and kind of know who I am.
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I think a lot of times what happens is if it doesn't come with a real sense of like
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achievement or accomplishment, it actually feels hollow and empty and like bullshit and
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Do you think you wanted to start directing because it gave you even more of a sense of accomplishment?
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I wanted to, I really, I didn't, I wanted to fail on my own terms.
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So I had gone through some movies that where I was like, I don't like this.
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I don't agree with this, but you, you know, you got to do how it's like being a playing
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a football team, whatever you got to run the plays that the coach sets up.
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They're going to run a draw play, not get the ball and, you know, turn around and run
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So you, that's how the, that whole art form is sort of structured, uh, by and large.
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And what I found was, you know, I had a real strong sense of the way I wanted to do it.
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And I, when I, when it didn't work, when it worked, I, I didn't feel great because it
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You know, I didn't feel like, I didn't feel proud of it.
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And when it didn't work, I just felt pissed off.
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Like, fuck, I didn't want to fucking do it.
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I didn't want to, you know, I said, and that's a terrible feeling.
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So I'd rather fail on my own terms or succeed on my own terms.
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And I, and that's where I kind of got into, to directing.
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And I always, I wanted to do it even when I was younger and I liked it.
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And at a certain point I kind of had nothing to lose.
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And that was really what kind of gave me the courage to take that leap.
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Because my, like, as an actor, I sort of, I got real cold and like had a couple of movies
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And then, you know, all of a sudden it can be kind of over for you.
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There's no, you know, retirement, no gold watch.
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If your show doesn't work or movie doesn't work and nobody wants to hire you, like they're
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You know, it's, there's 130,000 people in SAG and there's only 30,000 people that work
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And then there's an even smaller amount of those roles where, you know, you have more
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And so if you're not, people aren't watching, they're not coming or it's not interesting.
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And now it's different because I think the movie theater, you know, it's like, it's a
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I think it takes, I think that movies themselves long form.
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Um, I think it's, they're going to have to find some new, unless it is like great or
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new or so novel, they're going to have to find some new ways to either present it or
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I'm not sure what it is, but to me, just as a viewer, it feels like we're in this shift
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because so quickly have people gotten into these quick moments and it's not even that
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their attention span is short, their commitment.
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It's like, they don't want, it's like, I'm not committing to all the other options that
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Like when I was a kid and we went out, there wasn't shit else.
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And if you didn't go see the movie in the theater, you had to wait, you know, a year
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for it to come out on like VHS or DVD or whatever it was, or cable.
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You just had to wait for it to come out on a diorama.
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How long is it going to take you to paint this on my cave?
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A guy came through with a tattoo and it told a story.
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It looked like a domestic dispute a lot, but you're like, Hey, we, you know, there's
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every, there's a story for everything, but dude, even like this, like Danny McBride
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gave me this like two, like a month ago or something, this light, it's like a flash
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It has like a, but I'm just saying like everything has like two, like seven things.
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But I'm just saying, like, everything has like two, like seven things now.
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Like, you know, and I think you're right, like, if you want to get people to go to the theaters, movies either got to be really good.
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Like, you can't just, you used to be like, okay, there's going to three movies in the theater every weekend.
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Now you got to have a reason to want to go out and see it.
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And I'm lucky because, you know, the reason why I'm really confident about this movie, The Accountant 2, is it actually plays great.
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I've been, you know, but I was the one where I was like, let's make, let's test this movie.
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And I'm like, okay, this movie belongs out there theatrically.
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In the old days, this movie would have been a home run, easy.
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Now you have to, like, okay, work hard to get it out.
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Because ahead of time, you screen it for people.
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And the reaction's pretty consistent, interestingly.
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So, but now it's like, you know, I think your point about what you have to do, like the Minecraft movie or Barbie or, you know, it almost has to become like a cultural event.
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Like where people are going, acting the scenes out, like there's a whole reason to go do it.
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Would you come out and say it was good if it wasn't?
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I would sort of talk around it or talk about, well, there's some things I like about it.
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But now I wouldn't even want a movie to go out theatrically.
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I didn't think it was going to work theatrically because it's, you know, I think, well, you know, there's people that will watch this on streaming because I do think the bar is lower.
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And I think there are different kinds of movies that work on streaming and, you know, great movies work on streaming too.
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This was one that was supposed to be, I wasn't, you know, it wasn't like we're going to go out theatrically.
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It was when the movie came together and worked as well as it did.
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You know, we thought this is definitely a theatrical movie and it's, it's, I think it's really good.
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And he plays your, so wait, so who is the accountant or you can't tell us?
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I'm this guy's accountant who's got, who's, are you a CPA?
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I'm a CPA, but it's sort of one of these things where it's going to sound a little bit far-fetched
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when I tell you, but it's actually very, which is, we grew up to, obviously, together, we're
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brothers and we had this father that was very tough on us, like heavy duty military guy.
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When we were kids, you see flashbacks and he kind of was, you know, trained us.
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You saw the first one, me and Jon, came out like eight years ago.
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But I think this actually, you know, which is rare, and I definitely wouldn't say this
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if it weren't true, is it's better than the first movie.
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And I really liked the first movie, so that's really rare.
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I acted a guy named Gavin O'Connor directed this movie, who's a really good director, who directed
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But I guess the way you decide that, honestly, is by watching their movies.
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You look at it, and you go kind of, you know, and if it's something that you do, you sort
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Even movies where there's instances where it's like might not be my kind of movie, or
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But you can still say, okay, well, this is somebody who really understands.
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So, you know, there aren't very many great directors, and that's one of the really tricky
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I'm really like, this is the third time I've worked with this director, Gavin, and I really
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And he did Miracle, which is about the Olympic hockey team.
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No offense to anybody who's Russian, but also, you know it.
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So, it's not like we're keeping secrets from him.
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So, if you and Jon Bernthal, you guys are buddies, you get along well.
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We just hit it off really well, and it's like, I'm sure you experienced this, like, in your
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Like, some people, you kind of just hit it off with.
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He's just one of the funniest guys he ever made.
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He just made me think, like, he's somebody that's really funny.
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But, I mean, so, but I'm saying, like, for you personally, right?
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Like, you might find that, like, you sitting down talking to somebody works.
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Even if somebody's great, they might come in, and you guys just don't hit it off.
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In this case, I really felt like with Jon, like, we got really lucky, and we both kind of,
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It's like a kind of odd couple sort of, because I'm very reserved, very straight.
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He's very tough and ballsy, and so, like, you know what I mean?
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And so we're kind of opposites, but we love each other, but we're kind of brothers, so
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we drive each other crazy, and we're frustrated with each other, and there's kind of, those
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things really, those kind of relationships, dynamics, and stories really depend on the
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And Jon's just an amazing actor, but also it was great to work with him.
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He's just, everything, I, you know, I don't know.
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I've heard a lot of, I've heard a lot of neat things about him, because he podcasts as well,
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You might have to take breaks from it if he's acting a lot.
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How long does, like, so how long are you shooting something like that?
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And then, are there phases during a movie shoot where it's like, it starts off, you know,
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it's like, and you just kind of get burnt out, like, or is there a way to kind of, yeah,
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because the way they set it up is like, you know, and I don't think this is like optimal
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necessarily, but because of how you got to get everybody together and, you know, build
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the sets and do all this shit and all at once, you know, it gets, you end up working like,
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And, you know, there is, you know, it's a function of just the, some inefficiencies and
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So you, you're constantly working on sort of all you're thinking about morning, moon,
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night, and you go home, go to sleep, wake up, go back to work.
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So you can get burnt out on it, but you can also like with account too, it was like, it
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started to just work better and better than I thought.
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And I find as I get older, I'm like, I'm going to work with people that I really like
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that make, cause like so much of your life is spent at work.
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That becomes kind of what, like, obviously, you know, I have my family.
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Then I'm like with them, those part of my life I'm going to spend at work.
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And that's, so I've realized like, we want my life to be happy.
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Then I want to be working with people that I really like and respect and enjoy being
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You get lucky when, you know, and so I was with this was really lucky.
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Cause David Spade and I wrote a movie that we just shot a couple months ago.
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So everything kind of got messed up and we kind of, not everything got messed up, but
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we got like sandwiched in a moment where it was like, everybody's here.
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We have to, there's no, we paid for it ourselves.
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Did you find out when people leave your own money on something, all of a sudden there's
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We'll fucking shave that sheep and fucking staple some, tattoo some spots on this motherfucker
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And with removable glue, glue some Oreos to it and get that bastard out there, you know,
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We have 40 minutes, get on YouTube and teach that thing to bark.
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Have you ever made a movie that you, that you didn't put out or that wasn't put out?
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Early on, I made a bunch of movies that were like independent movies that, you know,
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they didn't have like distribution that I'm like a studio that said, okay, we're paying
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And when it's finished, we're going to put a bunch of money in advertising.
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Cause you got to spend a bunch more money to advertise a movie after you make it.
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And, or at least, you know, and that, that's one of the big things that's changing.
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Now people are like, okay, how can we do this in a more intelligent way?
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Because all that money spent on television commercials is just a wasted now.
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Like this is a much more effective way to do it.
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I think when you tell me that it's good, I honestly think that I believe you, that it's
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I wouldn't be like, if you had a movie that wasn't good, you just, you kind of do a few
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And because look, this is going to turn out like, you know, you're going to, it's going
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The better you are, you're going to move your bell curve a little bit further down and have
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But I got about like 12 movies that I really love and I'm proud of.
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And about 25 that are like, I like this, I didn't like that, you know, and about 10
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or 12, whatever that are like, that's fucking terrible.
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And when I did independent movies, they would, sometimes they just didn't get distribution.
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I haven't had movies that were so like, just something so terrible happened when the studio
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But you know, you have like, they changed their plan.
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You can kind of see, oh, now we're going to shift to this or that.
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Now you can put something on streaming and it, you don't, it used to be like, you were
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Cause they're saying, look, this movie made 10 cents this weekend.
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And you know, you'd want them to take the fucking billboard down.
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You're up there at night in your Batman costume, just painting over it.
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He's just like, we're just two kind of dumb guys or whatever.
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Let me tell you like that first cut of the movie.
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Like when I see the first cut of my own movie, I want to kill myself.
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So like, you should not go crazy seeing the first cut and not like it.
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I almost have never, like now I have a company and we make a bunch of movies and you know,
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the first cut it's, this is one of the only movies where the first cut came in.
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90% of the time you're like, okay, we got a long way to go.
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And more work is done after you finish shooting to make it good.
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Sit down and be like, this is what's supposed to be funny about this scene.
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What you think is funny and is good because they, it may seem obvious to you and it probably
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You go, look, the reason it's funny is because you think we're going to do this.
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We, we know this about us from the first, you know, whatever scene.
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And when it come in, it's that take where I like yelled at the guy, that should be a
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Like you'd be surprised how often it's hard to put a cut, go in and tell it tough.
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And now I'm going to be shitty too, to put your, all that work into it and look at it
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Cause it's like, I'm very particular about like what I create.
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Like you said in the beginning, it's like, I like to make things.
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And if I fail on my intuition, then that's exactly where I want to fail.
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But it's a very tricky thing for other people to know that you and to know, you know what
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Your sense of humor, your worldview is all obvious to you.
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So a lot of times you have to spend like more time than you would have thought literally
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If you can explain the joke, like you're a super funny guy, funny comedian, you understand
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So you can sit and break it down to him and go like, you got to know this about it.
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What's funny is that, you know, we didn't expect me to do this.
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Or the whole thing that when I did it, what I thought was funny is this take where I did
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Like, because on the set, I'm sure, you know, you're, if you're doing a comedy and you
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shot it, you had moments where you were like, that's funny.
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Sometimes it's literally about going back into the dailies and saying, look, okay, go find the
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The thing where I said to David and David looked at me like this and whatever, that
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was the one where I left and thought, uh, that works.
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Like there's no mystery or magic to why they're doing it a different way.
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Like it's, it is, this is not like sculpting or writing a novel.
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It's not a single person, you know, it's collaborative.
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If I'm directing a movie with you in it and it obviously is going to have your comic sensibility.
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Like I got to know and get what's funny to you or I'm not the guy.
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And, and I'm, I'm going to need help along the way.
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Any director is going like, so how come, well, what, what do you imagine about this?
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Like, that's why you have to explain it and sort of talk about it.
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Cause that person has got to understand all those things that made you be funny in the
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first place and start going, Oh, people are laughing when I say, Oh, these are funny.
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And you've put it together and professionalized it, but like, you got to share that with them
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And then this is also where people sometimes get into fights, of course, cause people's
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You have to be able to hear, I don't care what you do.
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You have to be able to hear like, this doesn't work.
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This is dog shit because the audience will tell you, you know what I mean?
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I'm not particular, but I just know what kind of his work, you know, that's valuable because
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Or when you see something, you're like, this feels wrong.
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So you need to like give them access to that and get it.
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And when you, you know, and if somebody is going to like take it personal, it's, it's
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Like it's your, you know, and when David thought was funny, like, okay, like you have
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to be connected in that way and you have to understand that it's not about like, okay,
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Now I'm going to go make my vision of this thing.
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I just think like, yeah, like this is why this was written this way and this is why it's
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And so this is the first time that we're like more hands on with it.
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Cause by the way, no one's going to do it for you.
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And it's going to get better if you get in and work on it.
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And by the way, you're going to see it again and you're going to have to go, okay, closer.
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And then again, the way movies that get better really is iterative.
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It's like a, it's like, it's like coats of paint.
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26 weeks is the post-production schedule for most movies, right?
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You're trying to grab everything you can during production.
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Editing is, you rent the editing room, the facilities.
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I don't want to say endangered or whatever, but it was like writ at work.
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Do they charge more if it's like, you know what I mean?
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Like if you can get a chicken, they're not endangered.
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You can take the chicken, break his neck, and he's turned around.
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And so there, I think maybe you were, that's just like one of those things where it's like,
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It's just so, it's like, God, you get into there and there's just all this animal entrapment.
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Would you let your children, well, let's, I want to talk to you a little bit more about directing.
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That movie's not really, I did, I did study the Middle East in school.
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I wouldn't make a movie that I didn't, it'd be like making a movie with you and not getting
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Like you, as the director, you got to care more and be more interested in that movie
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Everybody else is going to be bored of it, right?
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And you've got to love it the whole time through.
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So the big key is like, this is going to be interesting to me.
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There was a lot of things that were interesting to me about that movie.
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One was a real story, the CIA agent who had done it, the, the, the guy, the people that
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I met and talked to at the CIA, the actual nature of like intelligence work versus,
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you know, what you have seen with a, like, you know, you know, like super spy shit.
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And also I thought it was like the fact that they had this like bizarre connection to Hollywood
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And that we're trying to bridge those two worlds was, was really interesting to me, but
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it was a scary, challenging movie because the director's main job is tone, right?
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Like that's the main dress of the director is going to really create is like, what's the
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What do we, you know, all those things that, that, you know, go into all the choices we
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make in life from the car you get, the clothes you buy, all that, what kind of, what is your
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Some people, it's just not going to be their taste.
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You got to at least make it as good as you can to your own taste, to like you said, your
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You got to find that tone that matches because people want to believe they're going to
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I think, you know, when you don't, when that tone doesn't work, you're like, this is kind
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of crass, Jesus fucking, you know what I mean?
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And it's like, because you're asking someone to take something seriously that they can't
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take seriously or, or think it's funny that they don't think is funny.
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And, and that's where it's a, it's a tricky kind of nebulous job, but that's the most
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And that's, uh, yeah, you know, um, do you, would you let your children act?
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Well, I wouldn't let them act professionally while they were children.
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No, but I would, would let, you know, I mean, if they want to do plays and shit and make
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their own kind of stuff with their friends, that's fine with me.
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I, I don't, I don't think it would be, I don't know judgment against people that do
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I've done playing movies with child actors and stuff and that's fine.
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I mean, from my experience, uh, acting as a kid and what I, and what I want for my
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children is not, uh, is, is not that, but also you gotta understand that then they, you
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know, I got a 19 year old, I got one 16, I got one 13 and they can make their own choices.
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As a dad, you just like that, is that, is that gotta be tougher when you're a dad?
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So you were like, ah, and not even about acting, it's about anything.
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And then your kid is kind of like making it like, is that, and you don't want to like
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probably push them too much or like, because then you're pressures some dude, that's gotta
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be a real, like walking a police line or something.
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I mean, that's the whole job of life is like for me before I had kids, you know, I didn't
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And then this becomes the central challenge of your life.
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And, and if you have a, everybody has complications and tricky shit in their life.
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And that's part of being a parent is managing that with what kind of life am I bringing my kids
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And how do we, you know, um, and that's part of that is my kids are growing up out here
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I didn't, I never met a famous person or actor or anything.
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That shit just seemed like a million miles away to me and totally fanciful.
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If you're in the rest of the world, it feels so far away.
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And then you forget after you're here for a while, how far away it seems to other people.
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Like if you meet, you know, like just anybody who was in, and it just like, that's like,
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it was a little, I remember I was 12 years old in Boston and I saw, um, Christopher Lloyd
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who played the dude on back to the future, you know?
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Like now I'd be like, there's this fucking 12 year old kid following me.
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Like I couldn't believe it that it was the guy from back to the future.
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Um, and it was the only, you know, celebrity famous, whatever person I'd ever seen or not.
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And, and so my kids are now, they're seeing different stuff.
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Some of it's useful for them because it disabuses them of some illusions that I think are worth
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And also, but I'm also like, I don't look, they're going to, if you, if you, their kids
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are going to kind of be and do what, who they are, what they want to do, which your job
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is to let them know that they're loved, that they're, keep them safe, you know, provide
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them opportunities and also not, you know, you got to resist the temptation to, to try
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to get everything out of the way for them because you're not going to learn anything or develop
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any grid or, or, uh, resilience if shit's just easy.
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It's like, you're watching them walk and there's something kind of in their path.
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And if you take it away completely, then they're not going to learn how to deal with an
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But if you leave it there, then you're going to have to watch them go through an obstacle.
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Like even trying to climb over something, your instinct is to pick them up, take them
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over, but you have to like, yes, you don't want them to put their finger in a socket, you
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And, but that doesn't mean life has to be hard.
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It doesn't have to be, shouldn't be traumatic, shouldn't be, you know, awful or painful,
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but things have to be hard for you to learn to do hard things.
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And this world, like it or not, is going to demand that you do hard shit.
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If you want to have anything, you know, if you want to be able to provide for your own
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family, have your own dreams, have, you know, the things that you want to have.
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Cause if you don't do it, the guy next to you is going to do it better or, you know,
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or the woman over here is going to do it better and you're going to lose out.
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And also, you know, I don't want my kids to have that first big, tough experience in
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Like some of the best lessons I ever learned in life were from failure.
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But the most important thing you learn is that you can survive it.
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And you, you know, you, it's like getting like when I was a kid where I grew up, I
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Dude, people used to beat the shit out of me.
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You'd get punched in the face and get your ass kicked and that's not, and he'd be like,
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And you go like, and you get up and you come to school the next day and you know what I
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It's worse that you have to hear about it than like just getting hit five times.
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It's like, yeah, you kind of get your bell rung.
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And, but it's the, like, that's kind of going back to that thing about like embarrassment.
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Like kids will suffer more from being humiliated than physically hurt.
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For example, like that's the shit that really is painful.
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But now I don't, I don't wish to be clear that on my kid, like you don't need to be fighting
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and shit all the time, but it's, you know, it is valuable to know that you can fail or
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have something difficult happen, really painful or get your heart broken.
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And have some girl be like, you know, be like, I don't like, you know what I mean?
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And in fact, they actually do make you stronger if you kind of go like, okay, that was, if
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I didn't have some of the resilience that I picked up by, you know, my early life trying
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to, you know, I would have just kind of given up or collapsed or had bad shit.
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I'd be like, oh, you know, and I'd fall down and never get up again.
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You'd have no experience and you also, it sharpens your intuition.
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If you can see yourself as a tool, sometimes it's definitely harder when you're younger
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because some of those feelings are new and it hurts so much, you know?
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Here's the thing, getting better at anything really never feels good.
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Like if you're building resilience, it's not a time that you're liking, you know what I
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This feels like shit, but because it's hard because I can't lift these weights anymore
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because I can't, these other, you know, I'm exhausted and the other kids are still, you
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know, running sprints or whatever, you know, but like those are the moments for what it's
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What is, um, what's something that you admire about each of your children just so one day
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they can look back and, and, um, you know, I mean, the thing I really, that I care most
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about, and it's, it's true of all three of my kids is that all of them have like an innate,
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They don't, they're not trying to go out and hurt other people.
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Like they care about and respect other people doesn't mean, you know, um, that obviously
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they don't make mistakes or they're perfect or whatever, but that basic thing about them
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I think it's, it's definitely also credit to their mom who's, who's amazing and who's
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Like, I mean, we're divorced, but we, we, I think do pretty good together, uh, raising
00:52:10.120
the kids, going back and forth and all that stuff.
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And they're, I mean, they're all looked at, I think, you know, like any parent, you're
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And my, uh, like something you admire, like individually about them.
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And if it's too personal, I'm not trying to, no, not at all.
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Listen, I think truly, um, there's so much that I don't want, I just don't want to come
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And I know my kids will be like, dad, don't fucking go on there and talk about me.
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So I'm like, my son especially is like, dude, he's right now watching this like, oh no, no,
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My, my oldest one has got a beautiful, like commitment and sense of like wanting to make
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And she'll put her money where her mouth is like, she doesn't want to do something.
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You know, my middle child is really, um, is this incredible, like feels things deeply
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like artists, you know, uh, kind of is, is brilliant and so funny.
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And my son has got like this incredible, like joy of life and magnetism and sweetness and
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Um, and like, that's the stuff where it's like, whether you can like dunk a basketball
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And I'm not, you know, but like that, that's the shit that to me is more important than
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You know, I think sometimes you just don't hear it enough sometimes, you know, I agree.
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There's not as many male leaders and as many male teachers as there were.
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There's not as many, like there's, there's a space where we're missing a gap of mentorship
00:53:47.940
Cause a lot of people will, some people were pedophiles or whatever, but outside of those
00:53:56.080
Well, also anybody pop around to, he's driving around taking pictures of kids.
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Anybody else would be arrested for taking a photo of a kid in public.
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But, but, and I think absolutely boys need, um, and so do girls like you need to see that
00:54:10.860
You need to understand that good men are accountable.
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They can say they're sorry when they make a mistake.
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They can show you strength and love and, and, and all this stuff that is good and beautiful
00:54:23.400
and what you, the people you want to be drawn to in your future life about masculinity, you
00:54:30.240
And if you don't, first of all, you in their, their children who are expecting, cause we're
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And if you don't see what that looks like, you don't know kind of what to look for.
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Did you have a fun, like, do you have a memory of your dad that was like fun with, for you?
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My dad would, dude, my dad was like, I'm trying to, my dad was really old when I was born.
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And so my dad was 70 when he, when, when I was born, right?
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Cause usually if a woman's hooking up with an older guy, he's got some money.
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But he would like take me to the, like, um, he would like go sometimes have a beer by like
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this bar at the railroad tracks and he would like let me walk on the bar.
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He'd like, and they had like these little bowl of chocolates or whatever.
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And if the bartender, I remember if I danced good, she would like give me some, some of the, uh, chocolates
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or whatever, and he'd be like, go wiggle for chocolates or whatever.
00:55:33.060
And I remember, so I just remember, I think you like when my dad pimped me out, that was
00:55:37.940
Well, he was just a, he was just pimping me for confections, you know, or sugars, you
00:55:42.280
know, it was kind of an outtake from that movie, Chuck a lot, if you've ever seen that.
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But, um, but yeah, he would be like, go wiggle for chocolates.
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And I just remember that was one thing that I remember.
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I made that about me, but it was nice to, to take that walk down memory lane.
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Well, I, there's things I remember about it, like the bowls of peanuts and just like being
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Cause my dad was older, he would go to rest, he would rest pretty early, but, um, I remember
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Cause I was going to say, Oh, I don't have that, that kind of memories of my dad really.
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But the truth is like, you know, after he, he got out of the house, you know, as a kid,
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And so that's where I go see him up at the bars and he was like bookie and, you know, taking
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And, and he was, um, but that, that's what he did.
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And then, uh, for, for, for that, for that period of life when I was kind of eight, nine,
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And then he'd be like, Oh, go get the cigarette machine.
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And I went into the bar and it was cool to visit him in there.
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And by that was the days when they'd be like, tell you, the kid that go to the store and
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And also we were, I mean, my brother had gone to the bar.
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And that, that, those are, there was some, I do have some kind of fond memories of, of,
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Uh, I wish I had more of them, which is one of the reasons why, uh, like it's important
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for me in my life to make sure I don't fuck, you know, that I create those for my own children.
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What else is something I want to ask you about?
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Were you, um, were you famous before your brother was famous?
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Um, you know, I guess, yeah, a little bit like in the sense that he was in Good Will Hunting
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with me and Matt and he was fucking brilliant in it.
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And then, um, but you know, like anybody like, and Matt's like, who's like, you know, my best
01:00:43.740
friend as a kid and stuff like Matt Damon, you know, you had like, and he got more famous
01:00:47.360
of Good Will Hunting and then my brother, you know, so you kind of, and you know, people
01:00:50.500
if you really like try to map it out, like those sort of how famous are you, which is
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It kind of moves around, but, um, my brother was always a working actor and then he became,
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you know, he, he, he really established, of course, won the Oscar for acting and, and
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kind of established himself as a great actor and, um, had a more steady kind of arc.
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Um, um, you're talking about, uh, Manchester by the Sea.
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I guess you get through phases in life too, where you're kind of like people are, you're
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kind of doing the same thing or you're just in different spaces.
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Well, that's what happens when you kind of really like get older.
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And then we were like, it was up to 30 or whatever.
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I was just like hanging out with guys all the time.
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And my brother was one of the, you know, we'd all hang out and then you have kids, you
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And then it's kind of like, okay, I'm going to have Friday at five or whatever for seven
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And then you kind of have to, you lose a little bit of that bigger network of like, who are,
01:02:09.580
who are the, like, I know who 10 of these guys are.
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You know, that starts to kind of go away and, and you kind of have to be more selective.
01:02:17.180
But, um, you know, uh, my brother's is, is a brilliant, funny, amazing guy.
01:02:22.740
And his kids are, it's a joy to see his kids grow up and be, you know,
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Cause then you don't really, you can kind of just like let them do shit.
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You know, you don't have to be really the dad, you know, I'll tell you this.
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So there was, um, I live in Nashville, so I moved there about four years ago and there
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was, so the other night there's like tornadoes or something.
01:02:40.900
And I didn't know, like, and I live in like, it's a nice neighborhood, but it's nothing
01:02:44.480
It's not like rich enough where you're away from tornadoes, you know, you better be pretty
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how rich you have to be to get away from tornadoes.
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I was like, dude, uh, I was like, bro, tornado warning.
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And thank God he's like, get under your desk.
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And I was like, dude, I don't have a fucking desk.
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And I'm like, this fucking kid does not know how to support a family member.
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Anyway, I don't even know what I told you that story about.
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I get to see my nieces and they're coming for Easter tomorrow.
01:03:51.080
And you kind of get to be like a little bit of the confidant.
01:03:56.720
That's kind of like, you can't talk to your parents about like whatever, you know, something,
01:04:00.760
but you can kind of let, you know, the uncle kind of know.
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And you, so you can be kind of on the side a little bit, a little cooler, even if you're
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And they're like, don't try to play it off like that.
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And you know, you got to like, you can't, you can't push it.
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But it's like, and you got to know when to snitch to on them too.
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And it's, um, it's one of those things people like, it's like, uh, it's one of those things
01:04:33.460
that sort of like, I don't know, people like to see it.
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It kind of reminds me a little bit of like planet Hollywood a little bit.
01:04:39.500
I'm always like, Oh, you get this bats rubber bat suit here.
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Sometimes I feel like if you put a grapefruit on like TV every week, you know what I mean?
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People will go by and be like, Oh, there's that grapefruit from TV.
01:04:56.580
So it's sometimes I would tell whether something's interesting because it's interesting or because,
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but, but I can see how that is kind of interesting.
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The most interesting thing about it when people see it is like, damn, how do you wear this?
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It is like of all the, those type of roles and stuff, like the superhero thing that the outfits make it a lot harder to do your job because you're kind of constrained and they're real hot.
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It's like, you know, when like wrestlers, like when I was a kid used to run around like trash bags to lose weight because you just dump all the water.
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Like that's sort of what those outfits do.
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You'd see some guy in your neighborhood who's on the wrestling team or whatever.
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I knew they had a wrestling team and then he's running down the street like a California raisin.
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He's just spitting on his family members and he's just cursing because they say cursing helps you burn calories or whatever.
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Um, yeah, that's kind of interesting, but you would, but you never like put it back on for anything fun or to surprise family members.
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I did it for my kid's birthday when he was, yeah, my son's birthday.
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And he was like, he was a little young, but I was, it was fun.
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I didn't know what the fuck you were doing.
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He's like, I guess he barely, but, but I, I had fun.
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My son was like, you know, three and shit.
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And he, so he was like scared of the movie, but, but, but, uh, you know, since then it's
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like, he'd be, it's become kind of in retrospect, I think kind of cool.
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It's hard to tell what your kids think is cool.
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They don't really tell you kind of, cause it's almost like you're like, yeah, I don't know.
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I don't have a wife yet, but, um, yeah, you all, it's like your parents are never going to
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be like, cause like part of the thing is like, you don't, you can't like, you need to
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You need to like move away, get out of the house, that whole thing, like move on, become
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And if you're too wrapped up in like your folks and you, you know, you can, you know,
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You got to start to slowly separate in those ways that kids do.
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So there's part of it where they're like, you know, and it comes off like, well, I'm
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It's the first time you kind of close the door and there's that moment where the dad's
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just by the door and he's kind of sad, but he's in the hall.
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But then he goes in his room, he takes three steps and he's like, Oh good.
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Do you think, um, I auditioned for a project green light movie that you guys had years ago.
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It was one where there was like a guy in a wheelchair and there were like dangerous people
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I just, um, but anyway, I just remember that it popped in my head.
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I mean, it's not currently we did it with the company.
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And we took it, we, we had it on for a while back then and then brought it back.
01:08:04.500
And I thought it was interesting that like, cause it's because that's what I do.
01:08:10.100
You got all this drama that comes up on a movie, but when we had like a million dollars to
01:08:14.060
make the movie and everybody like a million dollars, like that's like nothing.
01:08:19.920
It will kind of just be like, then you just be doing a show about people getting into arguments
01:08:24.000
and smashing things and having a breakdown because you can't really even do it for a
01:08:27.500
million dollars, like times of change, unions and wages and all that stuff.
01:08:30.400
Like you're, you know, so, but I, I really liked that idea of that show and, and what
01:08:36.340
we were able to, cause to me it was about like also creating opportunities for people
01:08:39.980
that are outside Hollywood, you know, who could come in and be like, look, I know what
01:08:45.120
And then you got to like, okay, well let's see what you can do.
01:08:48.440
What, um, do you think Tom Brady's good as an announcer?
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I think he's really smart, obviously about football.
01:09:00.960
I think that like, it's a, it's a, um, people kind of, you and you're the, like the greatest
01:09:07.320
They think, well, okay, now he's going to come in and change broadcasting for good.
01:09:10.800
And, and like just being a normal human being, it seems kind of like, I mean, who do you want
01:09:17.880
Like if I want to like somebody to tell me about like a, you know, a concert, like I
01:09:22.860
want to hear from, you know, some great musician, you know, if I'm, if you're, you figure, well,
01:09:27.260
nobody's going to have better or wiser analysis analysis than Tom, maybe not about like telling
01:09:37.680
He seems like a surgeon when he's talking about it and the way he breaks down certain moments
01:09:43.140
He's like, well, they got about this many yards, they're going to have to move about
01:09:47.400
Like, he's definitely, you start to see who he really is.
01:09:50.440
You start to see how much analysis went into that.
01:09:53.200
I still think one of his like real, like one of the things that really separated him
01:09:57.500
because, you know, everybody knows about how like, you know, he, you know, he was like
01:10:00.720
drafted late and all this stuff like, and there's, you know, his, his like combine numbers
01:10:05.660
weren't like, you know, so people weren't just like, this guy's going to be amazing.
01:10:08.340
I feel like one of the things that he has that people didn't really talk about is like,
01:10:13.180
and this is so fucking important is like, I feel like he, he has this thing where he
01:10:20.140
Like, I think that the, there is a huge advantage.
01:10:23.840
Imagine like you're in the Super Bowl and it's like, you know, fourth and eight and you
01:10:27.420
got, you know, you don't get nervous and you win.
01:10:30.820
Everyone else's heart rate is banging their head.
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Getting relaxed, the ability to relax in tense situations where other people get tense
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That's when, yeah, dude, it's definitely, there's moments.
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The first time I'd ever audition, I was like, open the windows, open the windows.
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I'm like, there's not a lot of windows in here.
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I remember I was, I kept blacking out and then I had to like do some scene that I didn't
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Oh yeah, dude, I want to tell you about the, you ever see that Dunkin' Donuts commercial?
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You ever see the one where they shut down that one and, uh, uh, is it Boy Shoboik?
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A coffee shop in Shemokin is closed following an arson over the weekend.
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We say a teenager is responsible for all that damage.
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These Watch 16's Nikki Crys joins us live from the Central Pennsylvania Newsroom with more
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Julie, a lot of people in Shemokin are upset that Dunkin' Donuts is closed because they
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didn't have anywhere else to go for coffee and donuts.
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Today, we also learned new information about the teenage girl police charged with setting
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Setting the fire is currently at a juvenile detention center.
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Many people who live in Shemokin are upset that Dunkin' Donuts is closed.
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Now I have to rely on myself to go to maybe a Turkey Hill or something where I don't like
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And I'm kind of dealing with it, but I really miss Dunkin' Donuts.
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I get a chicken baker croissant or I get some coffee, Powerade.
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If I have any, like, legal work that I need to do, I go there.
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I'm going to miss that place on there if it don't open up.
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Yeah, a lot of my friends go in there, get the cold coffee, iced coffee, I guess it's
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People miss their local hangout and hope Dunkin' Donuts is real soon.
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When that one closed down, man, it was just like a real, people kind of went bananas on
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Because it turns out, guys, the legal clinic got shut down.
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When a Dunkin' Donuts closes down, you don't realize how many lives intersect in that one
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What's something else that you want to direct, man?
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And that's really what you kind of like, no matter what you do, a big part of it is 90%
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of it is, as they say, is like picking the right actors.
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But the right people for the right role is so much a part of what goes into directing.
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That's what I was talking about, like kind of understanding what people sort of think
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about or assumptions they have about actors that they are going to watch.
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There's a lot of actors that I would love to work with that I'm lucky to have worked
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And I have a movie that I've just finished shooting called Animals.
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That's going to be out on Netflix that I directed.
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And I may even direct another movie next year, which is actually pretty quick.
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And I will do it, especially like, I got one kid that's in college now.
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And the other two, like by the time my son, who's 13, goes to college, then I plan on kind
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But like I said, it takes so much focus and energy that one of the regrets I have, even
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about movies that I really like and I'm proud of, is like what periods of time that I miss
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Like, okay, maybe they're going to be on a semester abroad.
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Or like this allows them, like I do them in LA, you know what I mean?
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So I'm coming home for dinner and come, you know, and just make that a, make that the
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But it's, it's, it's a part of what, why I slow down a bunch from directing because
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it just, in order to do it in a way that I understood that it required, like it just
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requires almost total commitment and concentration.
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Because we, yeah, we got to keep telling good stories because it's important.
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That's how people learn things and that's how you remember things.
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And they become part of like, you know, history.
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They really kind of tell history a lot of times.
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Um, yeah, it's definitely interesting about, oh, you said something about, oh yeah, the
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shooting in Hollywood has become so tough, huh?
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But it's supposed to, it's supposed to be getting easier.
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Well, you know, it's tricky because what happened, one of the things that's happened is that like,
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first of all, movies just used to be made here.
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Like, you know, country music was made everywhere.
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And then you had other states and countries that started kind of offering incentives because
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that felt like, you know, if we bring this business here and like, it stimulates all our
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Cause there's this huge, uh, kind of trickle down effect of from the restaurants, the dry
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cleaners, the drivers to blah, blah, blah, blah, all this money into the economy.
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And, you know, LA or California didn't really, I think whatever, I'm not sure they didn't
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They have a small incentive now and they've, they've actually broadened it some.
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And I think they're aware of it, but, but it's, it's tricky.
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Whereas other states and they're kind of controversial.
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Some states have, have felt like they worked out for them and they're happy.
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They get all, I mean, you know, a lot of Marvel movies shoot down there.
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I got a place in Georgia and I, you know, that's, that's, I filmed in Georgia.
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It's, it's in fact, the count was, we filmed in Georgia and that's why, right?
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They start offering the incentives, obviously been successful for California has ego about
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I'm not, I don't really know enough about the politics of it to know.
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It seems to me like, and I think it's like, well, we've always had it here.
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People that, but it's like, but now everybody's moved and moving away and move around.
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And if you can't make a movie without the, the, the crew is what's going to make or break
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Now you have 3000 people flying to like Tibet or whatever to shoot for, you know, like
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the UK, they give out, they do these big, so it was like, yeah, Louisiana did it for
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Harry Potter movies and all the like DZ movie, all these, this stuff goes and shoots like
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You know, look, it's obviously selfishly, like this is where my kids are.
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So this is where I want to be, but also the best technicians I believe in the world by
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and large are here and they're really artists too.
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And look, you have these fires and all this stuff.
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It's like, but look, it's hard all over and I get it.
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I would like to preserve like, look, it's a big business for this country, right?
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This is something that we make that everybody buys all over the world.
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We buy a lot of shit from other countries, right?
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Like this is something that people want to buy from us.
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Well, I'm amazed that I was talking about this with somebody and it may have been, um,
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My brain's off on the weekend, but, um, but we're talking about how California hasn't really
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done a great job of like kind of museuming some of the, all, a lot of great parts about
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that were in movies and like, you know, Sidney Poitier, this is where he lived for 20 years
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or, you know, this is the bad news bears park where they play like Brady Bunch house.
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There's some of it, but, and it's like bits and pieces on the internet, but it doesn't
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Like when you get here, you almost think it would seem like more of a museum in itself.
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The time I think people didn't think about it or somebody's house they rented or whatever
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it was, but yeah, they haven't really, I mean, you know, you can do some of these tours
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and stuff, but it's kind of like, uh, I think California, I'm not, I still feel like,
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you know, I'm a resident now like that I'm from somewhere else, you know, from Boston.
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And so it seems like California is like, um, it's felt, I think in a way like, Hey, people
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So we don't need to bring people here, but like times are changing.
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It's all, you know, the, the number you're looking at the thing that people, one thing
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that people watch more than anything else, which is just YouTube.
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But accountant two is in, uh, account two's out theaters on Friday and this Friday.
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Everybody, you know, actually the truth is, is a movie that anybody can see.
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If accountants don't like it, we're still fucked.
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You're going to call the movie, the waiter and waiters don't go.
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It's, it's a movie that I think honestly, like works for, you know, it's, it's smart
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and it's not like, oh, well, only young people like this or only old people like this.
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It's, it's hard to make a movie that I think strikes this chord and kind of works for a
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broad audience and it is better seeing it in the theater.
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So, and, uh, it's one that I'll be willing to leverage my kind of personal word and credibility.
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Thanks for coming in and just sharing and thinking with me and, uh, just having a good
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That's the whole reason for coming right there.
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Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be.
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I'm a cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found