This Past Weekend with Theo Von - #596 - Ibogaine Advocate Bryan Hubbard

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00:01:41.620 But yeah, today's guest is a veteran attorney and policy advocate most known for his focus

00:01:46.920 on Ibogaine, a possible new treatment for things like addiction and PTSD. He's currently

00:01:53.420 with the Reed Foundation doing this research and he's CEO of Americans for Ibogaine. It

00:02:00.340 was a fascinating conversation. I'm grateful for his time. Today's guest is W. Brian Hubbard.

00:02:06.680 Dude, you brought me a cake today. That's nice of you. What is that you brought?

00:02:28.800 My wife, who's here sitting with us many years ago, found this bakery in Nashville that has

00:02:34.440 this chocolate ganache cake. I had never had it before until about three months ago.

00:02:39.940 And I like to eat, especially chocolate. So she introduced me to this chocolate cake and

00:02:45.240 it's the best chocolate cake I've ever had in my life. You can leave it sitting out on the

00:02:49.480 counter for four days and it tastes just as good as when you bought it. So we wanted to

00:02:53.340 give you a touch of something that once you taste, you can't untaste.

00:02:56.540 Oh, dang. Yeah. Something chocolate too, huh?

00:02:59.120 Hell yeah. I might end up meeting a mixed girl after eating that. You just never know what could 1.00

00:03:05.120 happen. But thank you. That's just beautiful, you guys. It's so sweet of you to think of me. And

00:03:09.120 thank you for coming. Thank you for making the trip over from, you guys live in Kentucky.

00:03:13.160 Yes, sir. We live in Lexington and thank you for the wonderful hospitality to visit with you.

00:03:18.020 Yeah. We're looking forward to it, man. I know I want to talk to you. So you've had a lot of

00:03:21.860 experience with like Ibogaine, with like treatment. I know there's new laws that have been passed in

00:03:26.680 Texas. I want to get into, uh, into like what Ibogaine is. Right. But first I just wanted to

00:03:32.080 start with like, like, I know that it's a plant medicine, right? And so what is something you've

00:03:37.560 seen? Like, take me on a story of somebody that you've seen use a plant medicine, use Ibogaine and,

00:03:43.660 uh, an experience that they've had or a transformation that they've had. I just wanted to

00:03:47.420 kind of start with a, an experience that you've witnessed.

00:03:50.240 In terms of personally witnessing a transformation, my wife and I, we traveled down to the Ambio clinic

00:03:59.360 in Tiawana, the South of Tiawana in November of 2023. And the way that the whole transportation

00:04:06.860 system occurs is we flew from Kentucky to San Diego, and then a shuttle took us from the airport in San

00:04:14.040 Diego to a Sheraton nearby. And then the clinic sent a driver to pick me and her and the other

00:04:21.320 folks who were coming down up to go there on a Monday. And when we landed at the airport in San

00:04:27.160 Diego and went to check to the airport shuttle, there was a gentleman who was standing down about

00:04:33.240 30 feet from us. And Brandon Glasser, if you hear me talking, you know exactly who I'm referring to.

00:04:39.400 Brandon Glasser, that was his name?

00:04:40.920 Yes, sir. He was, um, kind of had longer hair, looked to be about my age. I pegged him probably

00:04:50.200 somewhere in his, uh, early, you know, mid forties or so. Uh, he was kind of ashen. He kind of had 1.00

00:04:58.360 that thousand yard stare that comes with an individual who has experienced tremendous trauma and just the

00:05:06.200 way that he looked, the way that he was standing, the way that he was looking, he looked like somebody

00:05:10.760 who had come to the end. And my wife and I looked at each other and we said, I wonder if he's going

00:05:15.800 to be getting on the shuttle with us on Monday morning. Well, sure enough, Monday morning comes

00:05:20.920 along and the driver comes to pick us up and Brandon gets on the shuttle with us and we're sitting behind

00:05:28.040 us. And we'd go down the road and he makes a couple of observations about, you know, what's bringing

00:05:32.920 him to have an Ibogaine experience. And he talks about that he was in, he was a green beret and he'd

00:05:39.640 seen a lot and his entire affect was one of just, this was a guy who had had it, who had had it with

00:05:47.240 life, who had had it with himself probably at that point himself. Yeah. Oh, that's the worst sickness.

00:05:52.520 Yes, sir. So we get to the clinic on Monday. We go to a sweat lodge ceremony Monday evening,

00:06:01.480 Tuesday. We have some group activities with two of the other gentlemen who were there. It was a group

00:06:06.920 of five of us. And then we go in for Ibogaine on Tuesday night. And leading up to that, Brandon's

00:06:16.600 affect was consistently just flat. And what I would describe is just kind of checked out.

00:06:23.880 So we go in on Tuesday night and they give us our Ibogaine. The next time we all see each other

00:06:28.360 is on Thursday morning at the breakfast table. And I don't know how many audience members may be

00:06:34.920 familiar with the Bible story of Lazarus when Lazarus had passed away and Jesus called him from

00:06:42.120 the grave after he having been dead and he emerged and they unwrapped his burial clothes. And he was

00:06:48.600 as he had always been. Seeing Brandon at the breakfast table on Thursday morning is the closest

00:06:56.680 that I will ever come to seeing what the people who saw Lazarus emerge from that grave saw. His entire

00:07:04.120 affect and demeanor had been transformed. This guy who had the thousand yard dead eye stare

00:07:12.120 his eyes were clear and bright. All that consternation and brokenness that was on his face and that had

00:07:20.200 drawn it in was gone. He was a radiant being. And when I sat down at the table, I just looked at him

00:07:28.600 and I started crying. I said, dude, your transformation is unbelievable. I feel it. It's visible on your face.

00:07:38.600 And I mean, it was just, uh, it was a miracle. It truly was a miraculous, beautiful transformation

00:07:46.120 that had occurred over those 36 hours. Wow. And you could just feel it. I mean, that's so powerful

00:07:51.240 when you can just, when you can see it in somebody. Yeah. Cause that pain of feeling, I mean, it's just

00:07:55.480 like you're looking at like somebody. So just they're broken. They're sick of themselves, you know,

00:08:00.520 they can't even, you know, it's like they're hunting without a gun. They just have that look on their face,

00:08:04.920 you know? Yes, sir. Um, you know, I got to saw this at scale at a place called beyond that's

00:08:11.480 located in Cancun. My wife and I went there in December of 24 and there you have people coming

00:08:18.120 and going at all times. And we were able to come in and see people who were coming to the door

00:08:24.200 who were at death's door. They had tried everything in the world to resolve either their trauma or their

00:08:29.640 addiction and nothing had worked. And as people are coming, people are also going. And as they walk

00:08:37.000 out the door to leave, there is a community circle to celebrate their departure home.

00:08:43.240 And the people who, as they were leaving, were coming through the door, you could see and feel

00:08:48.680 that same radiant transformation that we saw individually through Brandon Glasser. And we

00:08:54.280 got to watch that occur over the course of a week. And you could see when people would come

00:08:58.120 through the door. They were just, um, they like, what am I here for? What am I doing here? How did

00:09:04.520 I even manage to get into this place? Yeah. But by the time they left, they knew why they had been

00:09:09.720 there and it was to be restored. Amen, dude. Were you able to talk with Brandon at that moment? Like,

00:09:15.160 did you ever be able to speak with him and ask him how he was feeling? And like, was he able to

00:09:19.160 iterate kind of what he felt like was going on with him? At the breakfast table, he explained what his

00:09:24.920 journey was like. It was very visual. It was very spiritual. And many of the things that had

00:09:32.520 troubled him in mind and heart, he found relief. He found catharsis and he felt assurance that what we

00:09:42.520 see on this side of life is only a fraction of what true ultimate reality is all about. We are here

00:09:52.840 as earthly creatures to have an earthly experience, but at our essence, we are spiritual beings who

00:09:59.640 have eternal significance. And what Ibogaine and some of the other plant medicines can do

00:10:05.880 is affirm that reality as an individual has a new beginning to reorient their relationship with their

00:10:13.960 self, the world and their maker. It ain't going to solve all your problems. It ain't a magic wand,

00:10:20.600 but it essentially provides you with an opportunity to establish a brand new foundation that is

00:10:27.560 grounded on your significance as a spiritual being with eternal value.

00:10:34.760 Amen. God, sign me up. My God, if that's a pyramid scheme, I want to get to the dang top.

00:10:41.640 You know what I'm saying? No, I mean, you say, I mean, it's just like, I feel it, dude. I mean,

00:10:47.480 I've had my own experience with ayahuasca and you even describe it like, God, I remember like

00:10:52.600 processing so much. Like it was like all these things that I could, you know, in regular life,

00:10:59.560 even by going to therapy, it was almost like pulling weeds, right? The weeds were growing. I

00:11:03.720 could go in therapy and pull them, right? Or I could go through 12 step and pull them.

00:11:07.720 Um, but now with ayahuasca, it felt like I was underground, like I was part of the earth

00:11:12.920 and I could, man, I could pull the dang roots, right? Or I could at least see the roots. I could 0.97

00:11:19.080 see the roots and I could organize them better. And I could, uh, prune them even I could prune my own

00:11:24.480 roots. And so it gave me a chance. So, so suddenly the stuff on the top, it wasn't just weeds. When I

00:11:29.180 got back out of the experience, it was a little bit more like my garden made a little bit of sense.

00:11:33.060 It wasn't just a constant struggle to like manage my own like little acre of existence,

00:11:39.960 you know? Um, and it's hard to explain sometimes, but I will say this, uh, you know, I've probably

00:11:45.460 done it, I think five times over the past three years. And recently I have started having this

00:11:52.040 feeling that, Oh man, this is just a little part of existence, right? Like, whereas I used to feel so

00:11:58.500 connected and so scared about dying and I do still, you know, I like, I want to be alive.

00:12:04.280 I want to spend time with my loved ones and, and see if I can see certain experiences or dreams

00:12:10.140 through, but I don't feel like, yeah, you almost feel like, Oh, we'll just be getting back on the

00:12:16.080 train, you know, after that, like, it'll be something else is going on. Like, this is just a

00:12:20.180 stop at a Buc-ee's, you know, out in the middle of space that we're stopped at, you know, and you can 0.98

00:12:25.160 get you a damn snow globe with Dolly Parton in it, or you can do whatever you want. I mean, 0.98

00:12:28.540 it's a Buc-ee's, you know, it's earth. So, but, uh, but yeah, I start to think that, Oh,

00:12:32.820 there's more after this. And it does make me less afraid about, um, just the weight of every moment

00:12:41.000 of my life and my life way every moment weighed so heavy. And I don't even know why sometimes.

00:12:47.020 Um, so take me through Ibogaine itself. Like what happens with Ibogaine, like the medicine itself,

00:12:53.260 right? So the one thing that is cool about Ibogaine is its intelligence and its ability to produce an

00:13:01.320 effect within the individual, which is unique for that individual. Now there are certain common

00:13:07.120 themes that exist within it. Let's go back to the very beginning, which is, this is an alkaloid found

00:13:13.240 in three West African botanical sources. There's three plants that grow in Africa. One is called the

00:13:18.740 Iboga root. That is the mother plant. There's another plant called the Vokonga Africana.

00:13:24.340 The Vokonga? 0.97

00:13:25.800 Vokonga Africana.

00:13:27.180 Vokonga Africana.

00:13:28.420 And the third one's not named. It's the more minor.

00:13:31.200 Okay. So the third one is a more minor root.

00:13:33.440 Okay. So the, the Bwiti peoples.

00:13:35.840 The Bwiti? 0.97

00:13:36.640 Of West Africa. 0.59

00:13:37.740 And they primarily reside in Gabon.

00:13:40.800 Gabon?

00:13:42.040 Gabon.

00:13:42.440 Yes, sir. They are the cultural possessors of all the ancient knowledge around Iboga and Ibogaine.

00:13:51.280 They have used Iboga and Ibogaine in their cultural and religious traditions for centuries now.

00:13:58.100 They are humanity's caretakers of all of the knowledge and wisdom that comes from this plant.

00:14:04.880 So like the librarians kind of.

00:14:06.120 Correct. They have known and understood its abilities to connect us with divine source for centuries.

00:14:14.580 God, and they weren't sharing it, were they?

00:14:16.160 Well, there, there was no opportunity for them to share because they're a self-contained society and

00:14:22.220 the contact was made with them by the West. And of course, that first contact came through

00:14:27.700 the establishment of the transatlantic slave trade.

00:14:30.540 Right. So they didn't have not a good foot, not a good start off.

00:14:32.600 Not a good start off.

00:14:33.720 Got off on the wrong foot.

00:14:34.460 So you have this society that has ancient knowledge, knowledge which until now has essentially been

00:14:42.280 dismissed by the reductionist perspective of the West. And now that the West is being strangulated

00:14:48.900 by the consequences of its materialism, deaths of despair, driven by a lack of any sense of

00:14:55.360 spiritual significance, we find ourselves now looking across the Atlantic Ocean to a people

00:15:00.800 who we have dismissed, who we have enslaved, who we have enslaved to say to them, please

00:15:06.540 help us understand how to utilize what you've known from centuries to emancipate us from the 0.59

00:15:12.480 prison that we've built for ourselves.

00:15:14.020 And say, yo, as we start to create this process of medicalization within the United States, I firmly believe there is a beautiful unity opportunity here for us as

00:15:28.660 civilizations and for us as people within the United States, black and white alike to come together to illustrate our universal kinship as children of our creator, whose destiny is rooted and grounded in divine love.

00:15:47.600 Amen, brother. To the core. I believe that, Theo, in all honesty, if someone had said to me five years ago, hey, you're going to be getting to go all around the country talking to people about plant medicine

00:16:01.040 and the way in which it has been designed to affirm human divinity and your own experiences with these medicines, I would have looked at them and said, what in the world happened to me?

00:16:13.520 And what have I got to do to go in back in time to make sure it does not? I mean, I was the president of the teenage Republicans in high school.

00:16:21.480 Oh, wow.

00:16:21.980 I was president of the college Republicans in college. So to have gone.

00:16:27.180 So you had Roche Limbaugh mixtapes probably at the house.

00:16:30.060 Oh, yeah. I mean, to talk to 25 year old conventional conservative haircut Republican me and tell me that I'd be sitting here with you having this discussion, I'd have been like, you're out of your effing mind. 0.94

00:16:42.880 There's no way possible that that's going to occur. And yet here we sit.

00:16:46.260 Here we sit, brother. And sometimes that's we have we have to realize. Sometimes I'm like, man, I don't know where I'm supposed to be right now, but I'm supposed to be right where I am.

00:16:53.720 You know, that's what Cat Williams reminded me of when I talked to him. I was like, man, he's like, if you're here and you're in a conversation, then this is the time to have it.

00:17:02.940 You know, you were talking about the earth being Bucky's and how this is a potpourri experience.

00:17:09.720 But there's not all that there is. As I have walked the pathway to come to your studio for this discussion, I've come to conclude that everything that happens from those things that are our earliest memories in life,

00:17:24.900 all the way to as we sit here and talk now, they are designed to prepare us to become who our maker wishes for us to be in this life as a preparation for the next.

00:17:38.740 And plant medicines, I believe, have existed for thousands of years in cultures whose wisdom has been dismissed.

00:17:46.000 They have been looked down upon. And that has been to our detriment here within Western society.

00:17:51.260 And now that we see the garden that we have grown here, expressed as 1.5 million people who have died since 2015 from a combination of drug overdose, alcohol-related disease and suicide, we're missing some things here.

00:18:07.580 We treat the body, we treat the mind, but we've done a bad job of acknowledging the soul.

00:18:14.780 So, uh, well said, man, you know, this is just a rest area for your soul, you know, get you a snack and urinate and then we got to hit the high road, you know, cause I, I think, and also when I start to believe that after this, you're off to something else, even wilder, it make, it's all, it's like, I had so much more like appeal to your own life.

00:18:36.560 Right. That's what I've really, that's one thing I noticed. Um, but yeah, I do believe that. I do believe that God's just got us here in the, uh, dang pet boys or whatever, you know, and he's just kind of sprucing some things up.

00:18:47.140 Um, let's talk about Ibogaine and what it is. Cause that's kind of your specialty. Is that fair to say?

00:18:52.600 That's fair to say.

00:18:53.640 Okay.

00:18:54.220 So by pure accident, by the way, not by design or ambition.

00:18:57.800 You just ended up just Ibogaine.

00:18:59.640 Yes, sir.

00:19:00.300 Okay. Well, hold on. Now, were you like an afterschool user or what happened really?

00:19:04.980 Well, I came to it in the same way that most people come to it. And it was through desperation. Uh, I'd practiced law in Kentucky for 16 years and then went into state government service.

00:19:16.040 I ran the state social security disability system and some other things. And after being in place for about six years, there were some folks who said, you know, he kind of does a decent job with some things and we'd want him maybe to run the state's opioid commission.

00:19:30.480 And Kentucky, like a lot of Appalachian states, it's been ground zero for the opioid epidemic that began with OxyContin being introduced back in the late nineties.

00:19:40.680 So all these opioid manufacturers and distributors had settled with a bunch of states and paid them money for all the damage caused by the opioid epidemic.

00:19:49.740 So when it came time for Kentucky to get its money, they had to set up an agency to administer and oversee it.

00:19:57.500 And they called it the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission.

00:20:00.440 So, uh, a guy by the name of Barry Dunn, who was deputy attorney general at the time under my boss, Daniel Cameron, came to me and said, Hey, the legislature has set up this opioid commission.

00:20:12.040 Is this something you'd be interested in running?

00:20:14.500 I think you probably know being a Southerner that as much as we love home and the society at home, sometimes the governments have not always functioned the way they're supposed to.

00:20:24.760 You know, Boss Hogg and the Dukes of Hazzard was a, was an illustration of some of that old timey way of doing business for everybody who's a working person gets their bones picked clean by the people who are in power.

00:20:37.660 Amen.

00:20:37.920 Always.

00:20:38.560 So when Barry said, Hey, would you be interested in doing this job?

00:20:42.760 I said, Barry, this is a very treacherous opportunity because we've got some aristocratic power structures here in Kentucky that are used to having their way with anything that involves the dollar bill.

00:20:53.120 So if y'all are willing to allow me to run the commission so that it is accessible to the every, average, average, everyday Kentuckian, that grassroots organizations that ain't used to getting these sorts of opportunities can be resourced and that we do it in a way that is accountable and transparent, I'll be interested in the job.

00:21:13.240 But I don't want to take it if the expectation is just going to be to hand the money over to the usual vultures.

00:21:18.860 And he said, we'll back you a hundred percent.

00:21:20.920 I said, all right.

00:21:21.580 So I went through an interview process.

00:21:24.080 And in the interview process, I was asked, what do we need to do with this money?

00:21:28.180 I said, well, let's put the big picture in context here.

00:21:31.540 We're getting $842 million.

00:21:33.960 Now, that's a big old bunch of money to anybody.

00:21:36.940 Oh, yeah.

00:21:37.520 It's massive.

00:21:37.920 I mean, you hope you win $842 million on a lottery. 0.99

00:21:41.560 Oh, that's damn Scrooge McDuck. 0.99

00:21:43.260 Yes. 1.00

00:21:43.780 All the way.

00:21:44.520 Richie Rich.

00:21:45.240 Yeah.

00:21:45.540 But the problem is, when you put it in context, Purdue Pharma made $100 million a month on OxyContin sales for 12 years.

00:21:56.880 Yeah.

00:21:57.140 So the entire state of Kentucky with 4.8 million people is getting about eight and a half months of Purdue Pharma's OxyContin sales, but over 15 years.

00:22:05.800 Right.

00:22:06.160 So it's really spaced out. 0.99

00:22:07.360 And put up a picture of the Sackler family just so I can just tell them to go fuck themselves, if you don't mind throwing it up there. 0.99

00:22:12.940 I'm sorry if you ladies have to hear that language, but there you go. 1.00

00:22:16.120 That's a group that got off scot-free that's still alive.

00:22:19.860 Well, hundreds of thousands have been killed by their greed.

00:22:24.140 So I hope they're doing well.

00:22:25.780 I hope you see them on the street.

00:22:27.120 And they've had a lot of enablers in politics.

00:22:29.680 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:22:30.440 And there's a lot of roads you can go down that.

00:22:32.700 And we will get down some of that road.

00:22:34.400 I want to get down how politics has helped or not helped the opioid crisis.

00:22:38.220 And what do you think we can do to solve that?

00:22:41.040 But I want to just stay on track of this story.

00:22:42.580 So you're locked in with the government now.

00:22:44.920 You have the ability to kind of administer how the funds are put out.

00:22:47.800 Yes, sir.

00:22:48.280 Okay.

00:22:48.740 And they said, what do we need to do with this money?

00:22:50.800 And I named off a couple of priorities, beginning with children.

00:22:54.340 And I've done a little homework on you.

00:22:56.460 And I think you and I have probably had some things that we've got in common.

00:23:00.860 I said, the first thing we've got to do is take children whose families and communities have been destroyed by this and give them connection to sanctuary from chaos, the stability of love and relationships, and an affirmation of their individual spirituality.

00:23:17.540 Any child who's disconnected from these three things is going to have a tough time making it in this world.

00:23:23.240 And if we can create a structure for that to happen, we've got to do it.

00:23:27.220 I said, the next thing we've got to do is take people who are trying to get their lives back together and help them in whatever way we can.

00:23:32.960 Because someone whose life has been ravaged by addiction, they face all kinds of legal problems and financial problems and just logistical problems.

00:23:40.700 Like, where do I buy clothes to go to work?

00:23:42.620 How can I get to work?

00:23:44.120 We've got to do everything we can to give a helping hand to folks who are trying their very best to rebuild a shattered life.

00:23:50.500 And I said, the final thing we've got to do is figure out a way to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid addiction.

00:23:57.880 I said, the options that we currently have are basically opioids with which we treat opioid addiction.

00:24:04.760 And while it's better than nothing, government has as a job an obligation to improve everybody's life.

00:24:11.900 And that's methadone, suboxone, things like that?

00:24:13.760 That's correct.

00:24:14.380 They are opioids produced by the very same people who created the problem.

00:24:18.600 Nuh-uh, really?

00:24:19.180 Yes, sir.

00:24:20.260 The companies that produce the opioid epidemic are the same companies that produce its treatments.

00:24:26.940 Really?

00:24:27.360 Yes, sir.

00:24:27.920 Let's look that up.

00:24:28.480 Who makes methadone?

00:24:30.340 And check out Indivior, which is the parent company of Suboxone and Sublocade and others.

00:24:38.760 And Indivior has its own criminal rap sheet with the federal government from the way in which it sought to manipulate an increase in the issuance of those prescriptions.

00:24:49.440 There's something that's called the opioid record archive at the University of California in San Francisco.

00:24:54.800 And in that record archives, a Harvard faculty member by the name of Dr. Matt Bevin has pulled out documents that show that the companies that created the problem very much celebrate the fact that they're the ones who are basically making money off of the treatment on the back end.

00:25:14.120 Unreal.

00:25:14.480 And that's the system that we find ourself with.

00:25:17.220 Now, don't get me wrong.

00:25:18.960 There's thousands of people that have been saved by these, and they should be options on the table.

00:25:22.880 But we need to diversify, expand, and improve upon those options if we can.

00:25:27.380 Wow, that's unbelievable.

00:25:29.140 I think a lot of times we don't realize, right, that evil, evil has a plan, right?

00:25:36.520 Evil is not just running around your neighborhood just tickling people or whatever and yelling profanities and stuff like in the street.

00:25:43.140 Like, you know, evil will sell you the problem and sell you the solution.

00:25:48.500 That's right.

00:25:48.620 That's how far they've already thought ahead.

00:25:50.560 That's right.

00:25:51.000 They've already made the solution half the time before they've made the problem.

00:25:54.560 If evil makes a solution, they won't say, let's offer the world a solution.

00:25:58.980 They'll say, how do I create a problem so I can sell you this, and then I can sell you that, right?

00:26:04.080 You know, I don't know.

00:26:04.820 I'm preaching.

00:26:05.540 Sometimes I don't notice for myself that evil is smart.

00:26:10.900 Evil is not ignorant.

00:26:12.200 It's very sophisticated, and on the exterior, it's not scary.

00:26:17.180 If evil looked like all the monsters of our imagination, it's easy to identify it and avoid it, but it's slick.

00:26:25.100 And the Bible says the devil will appear as an angel of light.

00:26:28.700 There's also phraseology in modern literature that refers to the banality of evil.

00:26:33.380 It's very boring.

00:26:34.940 Evil often appears in very high-scale, white-collared business suits and ties,

00:26:41.320 carrying fancy degrees in law and finance from Ivy League institutions.

00:26:45.800 All these measurements of external respectability, evil knows how to put it on and shine.

00:26:52.360 And they're there to sell us whatever they can sell us to make us its subject.

00:26:59.180 Yeah.

00:26:59.540 And that's where we find ourselves.

00:27:01.340 Dang, man, it's true.

00:27:03.140 And it happens.

00:27:03.920 There's a lot of ways it can happen.

00:27:05.540 But, yeah, I think just the psychology of evil, I've thought about that more recently in my life.

00:27:09.180 Like, evil is a strategist.

00:27:10.880 Evil is a wizard.

00:27:11.980 Yes, sir.

00:27:12.440 You know, and you have to be a wizard for your own life.

00:27:15.760 You know, we have to try and do our best to do that.

00:27:19.360 Okay, so you accept the job.

00:27:21.020 Accept the job.

00:27:22.100 And you're like, and one of the things you just mentioned, you have to find ways to create better pathways for people to get treatment.

00:27:29.540 That's correct.

00:27:30.260 Okay.

00:27:30.440 Now, in 2018, you know, I had heard about psychedelics growing up.

00:27:35.980 I remember watching commercials and shows on TV of a bunch of hippies rolling around in mud on mushrooms.

00:27:41.600 And I thought, Lordy mercy, this is how you collapse an entire society. 0.99

00:27:45.200 A bunch of crazy nuts out of their mind, drug-taking people. 0.99

00:27:50.040 Those were my thoughts on psychedelics.

00:27:52.020 In 2018, one of my very close friends, he, his sister, was somebody who I had known for years as an underground psilocybin provider.

00:28:04.120 And she's a little out there.

00:28:05.720 And I never really give it much thought.

00:28:08.060 But.

00:28:08.340 And shout out to all the underground psilocybin providers out there.

00:28:11.060 I just want to, you guys never, you don't get a holiday.

00:28:15.240 You know what I'm saying, dude?

00:28:16.720 Where's the frickin' Juneteenth for underground psilocybin providers that have kept us all able to manage semi-decently over the past few years?

00:28:27.240 At great risk.

00:28:28.180 At great risk.

00:28:30.020 At great risk, dude.

00:28:31.720 And half the time, you're on mushrooms when they bust you.

00:28:34.080 And so that's spooky.

00:28:35.440 But go on.

00:28:35.920 In 2018, I do a lot of reading about things related to politics and society and science when there's opportunities for progress.

00:28:45.720 And I come out of a family that has a championship history of alcohol, substance use, and mental health issues.

00:28:54.160 And my family has generationally had a wicked relationship with alcohol.

00:28:58.720 Oh, yeah.

00:28:59.180 I could see that.

00:28:59.860 You remind me of Hacksaw Jim Druggan.

00:29:01.900 You know what I'm saying, dude?

00:29:03.180 And I mean that in a loving way.

00:29:04.600 I appreciate that.

00:29:05.580 Okay, yeah.

00:29:06.320 So your family, it's there a lot, huh?

00:29:08.040 Well, I'll put it this way.

00:29:10.120 I can remember certain great uncles of mine who had served in war, been to World War II in Korea, and sitting next to them on a hot summer day.

00:29:17.760 And they wouldn't have had a drink, but you could smell the alcohol being sweated out of them.

00:29:21.820 And do you think you had a problem growing up at all or no?

00:29:24.420 You know, fortunately, I never developed any sort of alcohol or substance use problem.

00:29:30.000 But that was because of the presence of God's love in my life through my grandparents.

00:29:34.980 My earliest memories as a child were of screaming and cussing and chaos between my parents.

00:29:42.680 I was scared to death as a kid.

00:29:44.140 And I had two grade school educated coal mining grandfathers who spent a lot of time with me for the first 12 years of my life.

00:29:53.920 And they were both men who had grown up under tremendous hardship.

00:29:58.700 They had no bitterness.

00:30:00.620 They had nothing but love and grace within them.

00:30:03.560 And when I would go and spend time with them on the weekends, as early as I could remember them speaking language to me that I could understand, at some point before they'd take me home, they'd put me on their knee and they'd say,

00:30:15.200 Now, listen, Papaw loves you, but more importantly, God loves you.

00:30:21.140 And he has a special and unique purpose in your life, no matter how bad it gets, no matter how abandoned and scourged you may feel.

00:30:31.980 No, God has you in his hands.

00:30:34.700 Don't ever lose sight of it, because if you will maintain faith, he's going to bring you through.

00:30:39.380 Theo, if those beautiful gentlemen had not given me those lessons consistently, if I were alive at all, and there's a substantial likelihood that I would not be, I would not be sitting here with you as I am.

00:30:54.260 I'd be living in some dark hole somewhere, wondering what someone who held jobs like I've held was going to do to come pull me out of them.

00:31:02.860 Wow.

00:31:03.140 It made all the difference.

00:31:04.720 Yeah, I think it's like, you don't realize the effect you can have on somebody by showing them attention, showing them care, you know?

00:31:13.240 You know, I believe that parents, especially when they look at their children, however you look at your children, you're like a pitcher, and that is the look that they will have inside of them, right?

00:31:24.420 Like, you know, like in our family, I always felt like there was a ton of look of like, you were wrong, you weren't doing it right, like nothing was ever okay. 0.99

00:31:36.180 I didn't never get one look from my mother that I, fuck, I don't think she looked at me until I was probably about 13, but when she finally looked over it, she'd fucking pissed. 1.00

00:31:43.380 I was like, God dang, I've waited all that time for that. 0.98

00:31:46.560 I'd have freaking left sooner.

00:31:47.740 But, and no shade to her, like, you know, times have gone on, but I've just, I think to parents, and I'm not trying to preach, but I think if you always look at your child like what they're doing and something is wrong, then the feeling that they will have in them is that something is wrong, right?

00:32:02.760 However you look at your child the most, that is what they, that's the feeling that gets created in them.

00:32:08.420 Do you think that's a possible thing or not?

00:32:10.060 Oh, the absence of love is lethal.

00:32:14.760 We as human beings are animals.

00:32:17.840 At our nature, our core, we are animals.

00:32:21.260 And the existence of love within us is the surest evidence of a divine creator whose essence is almighty, unconditional love for all of us.

00:32:36.400 And, but for that touch of divinity within us, I don't believe that any human being would have the capacity to feel or receive love.

00:32:44.040 And it is being born on this side of eternity with the evil that coexists with the light that defines much of our lifelong journey of struggling to attain that light.

00:32:53.420 I heard somebody say about six months ago that really the struggle in life is always the struggle to attain genuine, authentic love.

00:33:03.680 Amen.

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00:35:45.460 Okay, so you're in there.

00:35:47.080 You're mitigating where the funds go and stuff.

00:35:48.760 How do you get to Ibogaine?

00:35:50.680 How do you get to be in this place where you're obviously like seeing that there's a lot of need for things, right?

00:35:56.060 Having an emotional connection to humans so you understand maybe how the need can best be serviced.

00:36:03.120 How do you get then into Ibogaine?

00:36:07.160 How do you come to that?

00:36:08.820 In 2018, I read a study that was published about the effect of the psilocybin or psychedelic mushroom on alcoholism.

00:36:17.640 And the fact that it had demonstrated within this study a profound ability to help people overcome alcoholism.

00:36:26.340 And having come from a family that has just a generationally wicked relationship with alcohol, this caught my attention.

00:36:33.400 A friend of mine has a sister who is a little out there, but she's an underground psilocybin mushroom facilitator.

00:36:42.480 I became curious after I read this article and I thought, well, there must be something to this given this scientific research and what it shows about its ability to basically effectively treat alcoholism.

00:36:52.720 So I reached out to her, I said, I know that you understand the mushroom and have for some time.

00:36:59.300 I want to understand it.

00:37:00.520 I'm curious and I want to see what this is all about.

00:37:03.060 After for years thinking this is just a bunch of crazy hippie stuff I didn't want nothing to do with.

00:37:08.380 So between 2018 and 2022, I had a series of psilocybin mushroom journeys.

00:37:16.000 The first one was just very mild at three grams.

00:37:18.780 It was enough to kind of get the extra sensory ability to kind of see and hear and feel things a little differently.

00:37:25.480 And then I had probably eight to ten additional journeys of various intensities.

00:37:33.980 Most of them were beautiful.

00:37:36.820 Some of them were terrifying.

00:37:39.240 All of them were profound.

00:37:41.300 And at the end of that process, I became an absolute believer in what other civilizations have known for thousands of years.

00:37:50.660 And that is our creator has put plants on this earth whose purpose is to work with human chemistry to provide us with just a small window of opportunity to look behind the veil and into eternity.

00:38:05.920 So to understand who we are, where we come from, and how our true alignment is with the source of divine love that flows through all of us.

00:38:15.940 Amen.

00:38:16.680 So I read about a lady who she actually wrote about her own stories with psilocybin and how it helped her overcome her anxiety and depression that had crippled her for most of her life,

00:38:28.700 as well as a near fatal eating disorder in addition to her atheism. 0.52

00:38:32.900 So I reached out to her and I said, hey, I've been given this job in Kentucky.

00:38:36.580 You wrote about your experiences beautifully.

00:38:38.720 What can you tell me about the world of psychedelics and whether there's anything in it that has special application to opioid addiction?

00:38:45.920 On July the 29th, 2022, down in Siesta Key, Florida, on family vacations when I had this call,

00:38:53.060 and it was the day that I heard the word Ibogaine for the first time.

00:38:56.860 She said, are you familiar with this?

00:38:58.360 I said, I've never heard of it in my life.

00:38:59.780 She said, I'm going to put you in touch with another lady who can tell you about her recovery experience with Ibogaine.

00:39:05.380 She put me in touch with a lady by the name of Juliana Mulligan who gave me her story.

00:39:11.320 And basically she had been an opioid-dependent individual for almost a decade, and she said she had done it all.

00:39:18.340 Heroin, fentanyl, she'd been in and out of jail.

00:39:21.060 She'd been homeless at different points in time.

00:39:23.300 Wow.

00:39:23.400 She said she had been through every recovery process that could be invented, abstinence programs, 12-step programs,

00:39:30.620 and she had been through Suboxone treatment.

00:39:32.940 And she said, what they don't tell you about Suboxone is that the way in which it attaches to your system,

00:39:39.460 she said, for me, Suboxone withdrawal made heroin withdrawal seem like a cakewalk.

00:39:46.360 And she said, it was the awfulest thing I ever experienced.

00:39:49.840 She said, I became so tired of the life I had to live to secure my supply,

00:39:56.140 I relocated to Columbia to teach English as a sacred language.

00:40:00.140 And in Columbia, they have open pharmacy, meaning you can go in there and just get whatever you want.

00:40:04.960 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:40:05.380 Most of my dreams take place in damn Columbia. 0.99

00:40:07.860 Well, that's where she found herself and why. 0.98

00:40:10.220 So she said, one day I got up and looked in my mirror, and she said, I knew I was going to die.

00:40:16.360 Wow.

00:40:17.100 And she said, I was just desperate to give myself one more chance to be able to live,

00:40:22.580 because I knew I wasn't going to make it.

00:40:24.940 She said, I got online and started researching, and I came across this thing called Ibogaine.

00:40:29.240 And she said, it just sounded ridiculous in terms of what it was supposed to be able to do. 0.99

00:40:34.180 Yeah, it sounds like a damn protein powder, you know? 0.99

00:40:36.180 Yeah. 0.99

00:40:36.620 She said, it sounded too good to be true.

00:40:39.260 It just sounded like a bunch of kookiness, really. 1.00

00:40:42.960 She said, but I was desperate, and I was willing to try anything that could give me my life back.

00:40:48.820 So she said, I went to an Ibogaine place in Guatemala, somebody who could provide it.

00:40:55.260 And she said, but I didn't know at the time is that Ibogaine comes with a very serious cardiac side effect,

00:41:02.040 meaning if you take too much of it, though it is a stimulant, it will slow your heart down, stop it, and you'll die.

00:41:08.340 Now, you have to, Ibogaine is a very serious medication.

00:41:12.520 It has no recreational purpose whatsoever.

00:41:16.180 You know, you hear about parties and raves of different kind, cocaine parties or heroin parties.

00:41:21.100 Nobody's ever heard of an Ibogaine party.

00:41:22.920 No.

00:41:23.340 Because unless you think being semi-paralyzed for 10 to 12 hours and throwing up over that same time is a good time,

00:41:28.980 you ain't going to have a good time.

00:41:30.640 Yeah, just go get food poisoning or whatever.

00:41:32.300 That's right.

00:41:32.960 There's no food poisoning parties happening in the United States, just like Ibogaine.

00:41:37.260 So Juliana makes her way to Guatemala, and she gets Ibogaine treatment.

00:41:42.160 She was given about three times what she should have, and she went into cardiac arrest six times and almost died.

00:41:49.080 She said that she could somewhat remember her journey, she said,

00:41:53.280 but the first thing that she remembered after getting her treatment was waking up in the intensive care unit of a hospital in Guatemala.

00:42:03.100 And she said, when I opened my eyes, I felt the best I had ever felt in my life.

00:42:10.600 And she said, despite the fact that it almost killed me, I would go back and do it all over again.

00:42:17.940 She said, my desire to use was gone.

00:42:21.720 I didn't experience any withdrawal symptoms.

00:42:24.500 She said, I had spent years being told that I was diseased, that I had a disease that I could not overcome,

00:42:30.680 that was going to be with me for the rest of my life, and the best that I could do was treat those symptoms.

00:42:35.260 And she said, for me, that led to this sense that I was not in control.

00:42:40.880 I didn't have ownership of myself.

00:42:42.720 She said, after Ibogaine, all that thinking went to the wayside.

00:42:46.420 I came to recognize that I had ownership of myself and my destiny,

00:42:51.780 and that my future would be henceforth defined by my choices rather than any compulsion tied to a disease that was fictitious.

00:42:59.460 Preach, brother.

00:43:00.240 Wow, dude.

00:43:01.200 She said, most significantly for me, she said, there was no question in my mind after my Ibogaine experience

00:43:07.440 that there is an eternal creator whose essence is pure and unconditional love for all of us.

00:43:16.540 She said, I know it, and that made all the difference for me.

00:43:20.520 And that was the first Ibogaine recovery journey that I got to hear about.

00:43:24.040 And now, three years later, has been hundreds of such similar stories of just unbelievable Lazarus-like restoration.

00:43:32.540 Amen.

00:43:33.980 Wow, man.

00:43:35.080 Yeah, I think just hearing you say that about how it gives you the autonomy over your life,

00:43:40.200 because that's what I think you start to feel.

00:43:42.160 I think that's one thing that's like, I mean, I know for me is missing a lot of times,

00:43:46.800 is like just that belief, like that core belief that I'm in complete control of me, right?

00:43:54.700 I just like, yeah, because you start to wonder, well, where does people's messaging come from?

00:44:00.460 And I think a lot of times parents just don't know that a lot of it does, it can come from them, right?

00:44:07.160 Well, we all grow in the soil in which we are planted, whether we're children or whether we're parents.

00:44:12.500 And when we look at where we're at, especially over the past 30 years in American society,

00:44:17.400 there's a whole lot of messaging through popular culture, through government,

00:44:22.580 through institutions of cultural influence, that individuals are not their own.

00:44:28.940 They are, in many ways, captives of circumstance.

00:44:32.360 And if they are captives of circumstance, they are also going to find a lack of empowerment,

00:44:37.420 a lack of autonomy, a lack of control, which leads to feelings of a lack of worthiness,

00:44:41.780 a lack of relevance, and a lack of meaning.

00:44:44.960 It all goes together.

00:44:47.240 And what plant medicine broadly, and Ibogaine specifically, seems to have

00:44:52.560 is this ability to liberate the individual from the surly bonds of their earthly thinking

00:44:59.700 that has been reinforced by systems of power and control

00:45:02.800 that prefer people to live on their knees instead of on their feet.

00:45:07.320 Yeah, it's really like a new, it feels like almost like an emancipation proclamation.

00:45:11.600 Kind of for the soul, you know, of a spirit.

00:45:14.920 Because I think that's right.

00:45:15.820 I think most of my life, I've probably thought, man, something's wrong.

00:45:19.940 How do I fix something that's wrong, right?

00:45:22.800 Instead of thinking, hey, I'm right, right?

00:45:25.600 Instead of like stacking things on that other side of the scale that like I was created to be okay, right?

00:45:31.440 I was created to be right.

00:45:33.320 There's like a lot of probably, I don't know if it's just Western society,

00:45:36.640 but it's like, yeah, something is wrong, right?

00:45:38.880 There's how this is broken.

00:45:39.920 Something's wrong, right?

00:45:41.700 And that's from a place of being defeated, kind of.

00:45:43.880 You're operating from a place not of power then, you know?

00:45:47.700 There is a philosopher out there.

00:45:52.760 You know a guy by the name of C.S. Lewis who was this great Christian thinker.

00:45:56.280 He wrote the Chronicles of Narnia.

00:45:58.240 He wrote Mere Christianity. 0.84

00:45:59.780 He wrote a book called The Screwtape Letters.

00:46:02.660 He was a great thinker.

00:46:04.100 He began his journey as a total nonbeliever.

00:46:07.480 And he went on this academic exercise of trying to disprove the authenticity of God.

00:46:12.880 And through that process of trying to disprove it, he became a believer.

00:46:17.380 He was friends with another philosopher who I believe his name was Bertrand Russell.

00:46:23.300 And they had this dialogue with each other.

00:46:26.220 Bertrand Russell made this assertion essentially that there is no greater meaning,

00:46:32.000 that everything that we see and experience now is all that there is,

00:46:36.240 and that the universe itself is destined for total and complete distinction.

00:46:42.180 Extinction?

00:46:43.360 Extinction.

00:46:44.420 It is only through embracing and internalizing what he called the unyielding despair of nothingness

00:46:54.600 that we find meaning as human beings.

00:46:57.300 Now, I would argue to you that much of what folks our age and younger have seen in American society today

00:47:05.400 is founded upon the unyielding despair of nothingness,

00:47:08.860 where we are reduced to nothing more than physical beings who are accidents of astrophysics

00:47:14.940 with no greater purpose or meaning that follows us after the grave.

00:47:20.040 That this is the totality of it all, and you better make the best of it now,

00:47:23.560 because once it's gone, it's over.

00:47:26.040 Those are the roots of the anguish that we see today in American society,

00:47:30.780 where we've been told for 50-plus years, God is dead.

00:47:35.400 There is nothing beyond your material self.

00:47:37.780 You better grab it, smash and grab life while you can.

00:47:40.920 Yeah, it's just a target.

00:47:41.980 The world is a target right now.

00:47:43.280 The world is your target. 1.00

00:47:44.200 You better get in there and get shit and wear a mask, brother. 1.00

00:47:46.620 That's exactly right. 1.00

00:47:47.520 That's not the truth.

00:47:48.360 That is where we are at.

00:47:49.920 That is why this society is in the condition that it is in,

00:47:53.220 and the only way that folks like you and I are going to be able to help create a shift in social consciousness

00:48:01.880 so as to create a future worth living in is if we acknowledge, elevate, and celebrate our human divinity.

00:48:13.180 When you look at our elemental composition, what we're made of, what is in our blood,

00:48:17.800 there's only one place that iron that is in our blood comes from,

00:48:21.240 and it is through the incredibly destructive force of the death of a star and a supernova.

00:48:27.600 Wow.

00:48:27.800 A supernova is the only thing that produces iron.

00:48:31.220 Our blood is the content of stardust. 1.00

00:48:35.480 Damn. 0.99

00:48:35.960 That is not by accident, and I'm not here to proclaim any sort of universal truth 0.99

00:48:40.920 for a particular sect of human man-made religion,

00:48:43.500 but what I am here to say is that there is no question in my mind

00:48:47.500 with the blessing of having received the plant medicine experiences that I have.

00:48:51.860 Yeah.

00:48:53.300 We are, in fact, spiritual beings who have eternal significance,

00:48:58.700 and that is the only reality upon which our society can be reestablished to have a future worth living.

00:49:05.660 Amen.

00:49:06.620 Amen.

00:49:07.100 Bring that up.

00:49:07.680 Is that the truth, too? 1.00

00:49:09.540 And hell, yeah, I'll have the damn pork sausage. 1.00

00:49:11.680 I feel you today, brother. 1.00

00:49:13.620 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:14.640 I have patties.

00:49:15.540 I hate when they have links and not patties, don't you?

00:49:18.220 You know, I'm a link and patty guy together.

00:49:20.580 I'll take those sausage links and put on a piece of bread with some mustard.

00:49:24.300 That's good eating.

00:49:25.260 Yeah, I just love the patties so much.

00:49:26.700 Maybe I need to have a new experience.

00:49:29.040 Let me see what that says.

00:49:30.700 Supernova explosions are a crucial step in the chain of events that generate the iron we find in interstellar space

00:49:35.420 and the solar system, including Earth.

00:49:37.480 Iron is formed via nuclear fusion in the cores of stars that are eight times more massive than our sun.

00:49:43.240 I mean, if you're looking out at the stars, you know what sometimes I've thought, man,

00:49:46.440 when I'm looking at the stars, it feels like they're looking back at me, bro.

00:49:50.740 Yes, sir.

00:49:51.640 And that was a crazy feeling for me.

00:49:54.040 I was like, why did it feel like they're looking back here, you know?

00:50:00.200 The starry sky is one of the most tangible and profound expressions of the specialness of the human species.

00:50:10.580 Now, there are many creatures that are nocturnal that they become activated at night,

00:50:16.180 and that's when they go about wandering and eating and killing and procreating with each other.

00:50:20.260 But those creatures don't have the unique capacity to look up at that sky and be in awe of everything that it represents.

00:50:30.000 There was a story that I heard out of a lady who defected from North Korea.

00:50:34.920 She basically – there's an underground railroad organization called Duri Hana that is based in South Korea

00:50:40.820 that helps North Koreans escape through China to get down to the south and have freedom.

00:50:46.000 Duri Hana?

00:50:46.720 Duri Hana is the name of the organization.

00:50:48.560 It's like the Korean Underground Railroad.

00:50:52.600 And –

00:50:53.280 Yeah, sorry, I'm going to look at it.

00:50:54.540 Duri Hana, North Korea Mission is a defector aid Christian organization based in South Korea founded by Peter Chun.

00:51:02.720 The organization assists North Korean defectors escape from North Korea and China,

00:51:06.220 often by helping refugees to pay their broker fees, which allows them to cross borders.

00:51:10.420 Wow.

00:51:11.040 There was a North Korean defector who had grown up in that society her whole life.

00:51:15.340 And, of course, the first thing about communism is there is no God.

00:51:19.960 It is aggressively and officially atheist.

00:51:23.400 And this woman, when she left her home and crossed the river into China, she said,

00:51:29.660 I looked up at the sky before I was taking a journey that I thought I may very well not survive.

00:51:35.980 And she said, I was always taught there was no God.

00:51:39.700 But when I looked at that sky, the only thing I could say was, God, please help me.

00:51:45.320 Even though I had no frame of reference, all of my instincts said, there's someone there,

00:51:49.300 and they're going to watch me and see me through.

00:51:51.440 She made it.

00:51:53.900 Our human instincts all propel us toward the acknowledgement of human divinity that is rooted in love.

00:52:05.860 And the estrangement from divine love, I believe, is the source of all human suffering.

00:52:11.200 Wow.

00:52:11.460 Through the advancement of plant medicine and specifically the medicalization of Ibogaine for the treatment of trauma and addiction,

00:52:19.920 we have the opportunity to refound modern American society on a spiritual foundation,

00:52:27.380 which is necessary if it's going to have a future worth living.

00:52:31.340 Agreed.

00:52:31.840 Literally to get back to our roots, right?

00:52:34.080 Yes, sir.

00:52:34.460 And, yeah, I mean, I think that's one thing.

00:52:36.260 It's just like when you look at the Native American cultures and like the things that they were so in tune with,

00:52:41.340 it felt like they knew so much that we came through and just like built,

00:52:47.260 like we're just like this strip mall of existence.

00:52:49.360 It's great.

00:52:50.080 And it's, I'm not discrediting being an American or like the gifts that it's offered us

00:52:55.280 or that it's offered me just to be able to exist here.

00:52:59.060 But I think, yeah, we've gotten so estranged from like connections to the source, right?

00:53:06.940 Connections to the source.

00:53:08.100 I mean, just from my own experience with plant medicine, with ayahuasca,

00:53:11.420 I just felt like, yeah, just like, man, it just makes everything so much less about you

00:53:17.220 and makes it more about just love.

00:53:19.800 It really does.

00:53:21.280 I mean, it just, I met a shaman dude at a smoothie shop.

00:53:24.680 And then, dude, next thing you know, I'm back at his place.

00:53:28.700 And he had, this was in Maui.

00:53:30.580 And he has some like DMT, but not like the gas station DMT, like the legit.

00:53:36.260 You got to stay away from that gas station stuff.

00:53:38.060 Oh, yeah, dude. 0.93

00:53:39.380 That stuff will just make you damn sell your car and then you have to walk home. 0.98

00:53:42.860 Then you're high walking home. 0.98

00:53:44.460 You're just about a half step away from melting down shoe polish to drink it

00:53:47.680 when you start buying out a gas station for something that's going to cure you.

00:53:50.420 Yeah, that's bad.

00:53:51.640 I've had a lot of friends that have just like really wrecked their vehicles out there 0.99

00:53:55.200 on that spice and that bullshit they're selling over there. 0.98

00:53:59.640 But yeah, next thing you know, I'm at his house and like I tried this DMT 0.96

00:54:03.240 and like I just remember feeling like I was leaving the planet kind of

00:54:08.140 and that everybody I knew and everything was going to be okay

00:54:11.040 because we were all going to leave the planet one day.

00:54:13.680 And the feeling I was getting when I was leaving was like, man, all the, like,

00:54:16.940 it was such an overwhelming feeling of love and of like light

00:54:23.120 and that worldly thoughts and ideas didn't even matter. 0.97

00:54:27.260 And there was one moment where I had like, oh, shit, 0.98

00:54:29.300 all that mattered while I was there was did I love. 0.99

00:54:32.340 Everything else was a ruse.

00:54:33.980 Everything else was a trap door.

00:54:38.180 Everything else was a waste of time.

00:54:40.140 All that mattered was did I try to love the best I could.

00:54:43.800 And, yeah, I think as a society we have gotten away from that.

00:54:46.000 And as humans a lot of times, especially in Western society,

00:54:49.440 that we have gotten away from that.

00:54:50.500 And I think at this point it is organized for us to stay away from that.

00:54:54.480 People don't want you to know you're a creator.

00:54:55.980 They don't want you to know you were created for a purpose,

00:54:58.440 that you are here to love and that you're capable of it.

00:55:00.720 They want you to believe that there's always a problem with you.

00:55:04.120 The dividend of division is control.

00:55:08.080 And the more that the powers that be can separate us from each other,

00:55:12.740 the easier it is for those power structures can control us for their own selfish purposes and ends.

00:55:20.680 And since hearing the word I am again for the first time on July 29th of 22,

00:55:26.740 I have come to very much believe that all of this that we see in front of us is spiritual warfare.

00:55:33.800 Yeah.

00:55:33.880 There are two sides at war with one another, and these are the sides.

00:55:39.520 It's all of us who can come to recognize that we are of God versus those among us who aspire to be God.

00:55:49.720 And when the human hand aspires to be God, there is suffering at an imaginable scale, spiritually and physically.

00:55:59.660 And we have come at a time in our history where all those who can recognize that we are of God

00:56:05.920 have got to band together to push back on the heels those who aspire in their arrogance to be God.

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00:57:32.520 So, Brian, so I interrupted you kind of about the roots, and I've interrupted you a couple times, and I'm sorry about that.

00:57:37.020 You're good.

00:57:37.420 How did we come to, once they figured out the Ibogaine, the Bwiti?

00:57:42.520 The Bwiti.

00:57:43.300 The Bwiti.

00:57:45.480 How did they come to use it?

00:57:47.220 How is it used?

00:57:48.340 What is the actual usage of it like?

00:57:50.140 So, in the 60s, this guy by the name of Howard Lotsoff, who's from the United States, he was kind of a substance omnivore.

00:57:59.200 If it was there, he was going to take it.

00:58:00.780 He took Ibogaine.

00:58:02.060 And on the other side of that Ibogaine experience, though he had struggled with heroin addiction for a decade, on the other side, he didn't want no more heroin.

00:58:09.880 Okay, so after the use.

00:58:10.760 He didn't want to withdraw.

00:58:11.200 So, in terms of how it works, a person will usually receive, in a clinic, if they go to Mexico, they'll receive two or three pills.

00:58:20.760 And within about an hour, you might hear some clicking in your ears and some heaviness, and then you lay down.

00:58:27.320 And depending on the individual, that begins what is about a 10- to 12-hour process whereby you go on, and it's always respectful of your choice,

00:58:38.780 an internal journey within.

00:58:41.200 When you say pills, what do you mean?

00:58:42.680 It's pills?

00:58:43.200 It's like a capsule.

00:58:44.500 Capsule of the root.

00:58:45.980 Of the root or of the Ibogaine alkaloid that has been extracted from the root.

00:58:51.580 Think about it as like a vitamin supplement.

00:58:54.460 Okay.

00:58:54.720 They've taken this tree bark, they've done a chemical synthesis, and they have created a powderized version of Ibogaine that they put into a capsule, and you take it.

00:59:03.100 So, that's the first thing.

00:59:04.220 You take it by pill form.

00:59:06.300 Okay, so you take it by pill form.

00:59:07.880 Then you have an experience.

00:59:10.000 You're laying there.

00:59:10.760 Are you by yourself?

00:59:11.580 Are you in a hospital room?

00:59:12.640 What's the experience?

00:59:13.300 If you're going to do it right, you have to be in a clinically controlled medical setting where there are medical professionals around you to monitor your heart at all times,

00:59:22.780 to make sure that you are receiving magnesium in connection with the Ibogaine to mitigate that cardiac risk that comes with its slowing of your heart.

00:59:30.860 You have to have someone there with you at all times who has medical skill, training, and expertise to assure that it is a safe experience.

00:59:38.380 So, as you are laying down, because you develop what I call ataxia, it's a tremulousness in your joints.

00:59:46.540 You can't stand or walk on your own, and you have to have mobility assistance.

00:59:50.240 When you are at all times oriented to where you're at and who's around you, Ibogaine is a respecter of individual choice and autonomy.

01:00:03.580 It's not going to do what ayahuasca or psilocybin does in terms of, you know, when you take it, it's going to take you where it's going to take you.

01:00:11.140 You really ain't got no control over the experience.

01:00:13.300 Ibogaine is an intelligent medicine, meaning if I don't want to see what it's going to show me, the only thing I've got to do is open my eyes.

01:00:22.000 I could have taken two or three Ibogaine pills three hours beforehand and be sitting here talking to you just as clear and coherent as I am right now.

01:00:30.980 But if I close my eyes and let the dark come in, then I might start to see some things about myself, my life, and what it means.

01:00:41.220 That was certainly my experience as well as the experience my wife had.

01:00:45.920 If at any time I wanted to interrupt that or I didn't like what I was seeing, I could ask it, show me something different.

01:00:51.900 It may show me something different.

01:00:53.600 If I don't want to see any of it, I just open my eyes and it's gone.

01:00:58.400 It at all times allows you to engage with it or disengage with it as you wish.

01:01:04.580 I can only really speak to my personal experience, and I've had two.

01:01:08.540 Okay. So you're laying there. You've taken the medicine. You're in a facilitated environment.

01:01:14.100 Yes, sir.

01:01:14.460 There's people around you that can take care of you.

01:01:16.560 That's correct.

01:01:17.100 So you feel completely comfortable.

01:01:18.880 Yes, sir.

01:01:19.440 Okay. Now you can open your eyes if you want it to stop.

01:01:22.320 That's right.

01:01:23.420 You can close your eyes if you want it to go there.

01:01:25.240 If you close your eyes and start to do you, is it like a day, a dream that starts up?

01:01:30.020 How would you describe that feeling?

01:01:31.700 And then does it feel like you've had your eyes closed for five minutes?

01:01:34.980 Does it feel like you've had your eyes closed for five years?

01:01:36.760 What does that kind of feel like?

01:01:39.620 It's like a waking daydream.

01:01:42.020 You know, different people will describe different levels of visuality.

01:01:46.220 So, for instance, my first Ibogaine journey, there were a few images at the beginning,

01:01:50.380 but for the most part, it was something that I felt rather than saw.

01:01:55.020 My wife, on the other hand, had a very visual experience. 0.64

01:01:58.500 It was something that she felt and saw simultaneously.

01:02:01.260 It was tremendously beautiful for her.

01:02:03.580 Yeah. Women are always like, well, guess what I saw? 1.00

01:02:06.560 And that's okay. We're not judging them.

01:02:09.160 But, yeah, I mean, you could send your woman into their mailbox and she'll see 11 things, you know, and that's fine. 0.87

01:02:13.860 But I'm good. We need them out there looking at stuff.

01:02:16.680 Ibogaine gave her a Van Gogh painting in terms of the beauty of it.

01:02:23.500 And my second experience was much more – I both saw it and I felt it.

01:02:30.100 And my wife had kind of a similar experience where it built on the first.

01:02:34.340 For both of us, each of our journeys built on the other in terms of what it showed us

01:02:41.480 and affirmed for us by way of those things in our lives that we needed to have reconciled for us.

01:02:49.700 Can you –

01:02:49.940 Go ahead.

01:02:50.560 No, that's what it does for the individual.

01:02:52.960 Right.

01:02:53.640 It's going to go where you need it to go.

01:02:56.620 And I remember being prepared.

01:02:58.000 They said, you know, it may not give you what you want, but it's going to give you what you need.

01:03:02.240 Got it.

01:03:02.660 And is it male or female?

01:03:04.740 What is it?

01:03:06.600 Like is the medicine –

01:03:08.440 It can be – I've heard people describe Ibogaine as having a very male energy.

01:03:13.720 Okay.

01:03:13.900 It's like the grandfather, ayahuasca being the grandmother and with a more feminine energy.

01:03:20.120 Now, I've never had an ayahuasca experience, so I can't speak to that part of it.

01:03:24.100 But Ibogaine is consistently described as the grandfather.

01:03:27.260 Got it.

01:03:27.460 And the grandfather might be corrective or the grandfather may be loving.

01:03:31.800 But the grandfather is going to give you what the grandfather perceives that you need.

01:03:36.140 Got it.

01:03:36.660 Now, say if you lay there, can you just fall asleep?

01:03:39.840 At a certain point, through the effect, people can and sometimes do fall asleep.

01:03:46.080 If Ibogaine decides that you need that rest, you're going to get the rest.

01:03:49.780 Yeah.

01:03:50.420 If what you need is different from that, then you're not going to get the rest.

01:03:54.400 Got it.

01:03:55.060 Yeah.

01:03:55.280 I mean, that's just very similar with ayahuasca.

01:03:57.060 It's like, you know, you can go on with a couple of ideas.

01:03:59.620 They say write down some things like I would like to know about this.

01:04:02.420 Why do I think like this?

01:04:03.840 Why does this happen in my life?

01:04:05.300 And some of them will be addressed by like mother ayahuasca.

01:04:08.400 That's what they call it.

01:04:09.240 And then some of them may not be, right?

01:04:11.840 But you'll kind of get what you need.

01:04:13.380 Yeah, you can sit there and close your eyes and really get into a crazy experience or a unique experience.

01:04:19.140 I shouldn't use the word crazy, but like a lot of times, yeah, I went back to my childhood and like I would see why I behaved certain ways as a kid or be able to process certain things.

01:04:28.340 And kind of even a lot of it for me, a lot of times was like just crying, like crying over things that had happened a long time ago.

01:04:35.580 But getting those tears out of my system, it was like squeezing a sponge so that now the sponge could hold something new.

01:04:42.120 I mean, I was just so waterlogged with pain from my past that I couldn't get it out of me. 0.71

01:04:49.140 And so this thing was like really like just a damn spin cycle to pull that stuff out of you and not just do it in a way where it's just sucking the pain out of you. 0.53

01:04:58.380 But to show you along the way and even to be there as almost like with ayahuasca, it feels like God or somebody has their hand right there with you on their shoulder or on the back of your neck and is just helping you process these things. 0.96

01:05:10.780 It doesn't feel like you're doing it alone, right?

01:05:12.900 So that was always very fascinating to me, like all these things that I, I don't know, I kind of knew, but I didn't really know.

01:05:23.100 And it just helped me like process them all.

01:05:25.240 And so then I just felt like I could finally breathe, like there was this room in my lungs for new air, you know, and I'd never felt that my whole life.

01:05:35.220 You know, that's what it felt like.

01:05:37.000 So that experience, now you get done with the experience, you're there for, I mean, say you're, you said because it's like an ataxia, you can't move.

01:05:44.160 Does that go away after a few minutes and then you're just laying there?

01:05:46.820 What's that like?

01:05:47.520 It's 10 to 12 hours.

01:05:48.780 So once you take them pills, you're on the front end of what's going to be a 10 to 12 hour experience.

01:05:53.220 And that experience is the ataxia.

01:05:56.200 For many people, it is also nausea where you're throwing up a lot.

01:05:59.580 It's also the visuals.

01:06:01.160 It's also the feeling.

01:06:02.480 So in that 10 to 12 hours, you are in the high wave acute phase.

01:06:06.560 Do you have paralyzed kind of in a way?

01:06:08.040 Yes.

01:06:08.720 Now you can move your hands and arms and toes, but you can't stand.

01:06:13.680 You can't support your own weight.

01:06:15.300 You're real jittery.

01:06:16.560 It's a neurological effect that it produces of immobility.

01:06:20.200 And I would argue that it does so intelligently because it intends for you to be still so that it can do with you and speak to you quietly.

01:06:29.600 And you don't have the capacity to be restless and distracted.

01:06:33.160 It's got you.

01:06:34.060 It has your attention.

01:06:35.340 Got it.

01:06:36.520 And then usually the next day, most people have what they call the gray day.

01:06:42.120 You've been up at this point for 24 hours.

01:06:45.540 You're going to be up for at least another 12.

01:06:48.020 You're physically exhausted.

01:06:49.400 Your brain has expended all of these neurochemicals that Ibogaine has produced, which is at the core of its restorative function for the organ of the brain itself.

01:07:01.800 But you're wore out.

01:07:02.940 For me, it felt like I had the flu on steroids for about 24 hours.

01:07:07.480 I went back and just laid in the bed all day.

01:07:09.980 You're somewhat emotionally dysregulated.

01:07:12.100 I remember looking at my wife the day after, and I said, this is one of the worst decisions I've ever made.

01:07:19.020 I should have never came down here.

01:07:20.300 I was filled with a tremendous amount of distress and doubt and felt bad and sad.

01:07:24.600 I mean, you're just emotionally dysregulated.

01:07:27.020 But then the following day, 48 hours out, everything starts to kind of come together mentally, physically, and spiritually.

01:07:37.840 And most of the clinics, the ones that we've been to, will give you 5-MeO-DMT two days later.

01:07:45.880 And the analogy that I've heard is that if Ibogaine sandblasts you, 5-MeO-DMT polishes you.

01:07:55.160 And that was certainly what my experience of it was.

01:07:59.740 I made a volcanic analogy.

01:08:02.140 If Ibogaine put magma in the mountain chamber, 5-MeO-DMT blew the top off of that mountain.

01:08:09.840 God!

01:08:10.820 And it is not recreational.

01:08:15.180 It is not a party.

01:08:16.460 Hell no.

01:08:17.420 But it is profound.

01:08:18.740 Okay.

01:08:19.680 And it is not an end.

01:08:22.620 It is not a destination.

01:08:23.820 It is a beginning.

01:08:26.300 And what you do with that beginning is within your full and complete control, looking at yourself and the world with a new set of eyes.

01:08:36.060 Understood.

01:08:37.840 So the day between, just to go back briefly as to the actual day-to-day of it, of you guys' experience,

01:08:45.060 are you guys back in a room together and you're just kind of like, just kind of recovering that day before the 5-MeO-DMT?

01:08:52.120 So the day after Ibogaine, we were in a room together.

01:08:56.400 We just kind of laid in bed.

01:08:58.260 She cried tears of joy all day long while I was over curled up in a fetal position, just wondering what in the world I had done to myself.

01:09:06.400 And why was she joyous then?

01:09:07.720 Ibogaine gave her a tremendous amount of love and affirmation that was connected to her own divinity, her relationship with her mother, whether she was a daughter that was worthy of the kind of mother that she had.

01:09:23.560 Her mother was a saintly individual and she had always struggled with feelings of inadequacy, of not living up to who her mother was.

01:09:31.320 Ibogaine helped her reconcile that conflict that had been at the center of her adulthood in a way that was just spectacular.

01:09:38.340 When she came over to me, so you asked where we were at.

01:09:42.900 During the treatment itself, the first time we did it, we were in a treatment room and there were three special forces guys between us.

01:09:50.560 She was on one end of the room and I was on the other.

01:09:52.680 We were laying on mattresses in this big treatment room.

01:09:55.020 And she came to quicker than I did.

01:09:59.460 And I can remember she tapped me on the shoulder and I lifted my eye mask.

01:10:03.320 And I mean, she was just beaming the radiance of joy on her.

01:10:09.260 I looked at her immediately and I thank God because...

01:10:12.760 Yeah, she's cute. 1.00

01:10:13.900 Over the history of our relationship, she'd always been very much a left brain rationalist.

01:10:19.000 She wasn't somebody who would have any sort of real spiritual discussions or anything like that.

01:10:24.000 A real...

01:10:25.440 She is a left brain rationalist alpha female kind of lady. 1.00

01:10:30.400 Ain't got time for a bunch of, you know, spiritual this or foofy that or whatever.

01:10:36.080 And when I initially talked to her about receiving it, she's like, I'm not into that.

01:10:40.560 If you want to go do it, I'll go down there with you.

01:10:42.900 But as she heard the testimonies in Kentucky when I was running the commission,

01:10:46.180 we had hearings to have people come in and talk about it.

01:10:49.540 To inform the people at home as to what this was and what it could do.

01:10:53.580 And why it was worthy of taking a little bit of our settlement money to try to have it developed as a drug.

01:10:59.160 She said, you know, I think if for no other reason, I want to see if I can come off of my Celexa.

01:11:05.160 She had had a mood disorder that she developed after her son was born in 2001.

01:11:10.640 She went into a profound postpartum depression.

01:11:15.000 Whatever that depression did to her mind or to her brain caused a chemical imbalance.

01:11:20.380 And that chemical imbalance became manifest through the development of a psychotic mood disorder where she would experience these really violent mood swings.

01:11:31.500 And when she would have these episodes, she was she could be a danger to herself and others in my face.

01:11:37.660 You know what I'm saying?

01:11:38.280 And so before we went to the clinic in 2023, they said she's going to have to come off of her Celexa for five days because if she's taking it, when she gets down here, it will blunt the effect. 0.95

01:11:52.720 And Theo, I like I had I had just like broke into a cold sweat.

01:11:56.800 Yeah, we got to keep her on it. 1.00

01:11:58.120 I said, gentlemen, we ain't going to make it.

01:12:00.300 Yeah.

01:12:00.420 I said, I can't be in this house with her one day without it, let alone five.

01:12:04.860 It's impossible.

01:12:06.060 I'm sorry.

01:12:06.560 We ain't going to come.

01:12:07.580 They said, we hear you.

01:12:09.200 We work with people like this all the time.

01:12:11.380 We're going to give you a supplementation regimen.

01:12:14.280 She's going to get edgy, but you'll get her down here. 0.98

01:12:17.620 She did get edgy.

01:12:19.140 She got edgy.

01:12:20.140 Did she?

01:12:20.580 But we got her down. 0.99

01:12:21.520 I mean, a little bit more grumpy, a little bit more cussie. 1.00

01:12:23.760 Like Alexa Bliss or something, like a damn wrestler? 1.00

01:12:25.520 Yeah, you could have put her in a pro wrestling ring and she'd been ready to rip some lady's head off. 1.00

01:12:30.920 We could have probably got her in that condition. 1.00

01:12:33.920 So when we get her to Mexico, Theo, her line to Alexa was November 23rd, 2023.

01:12:42.540 Really?

01:12:42.900 She's not had a pill since.

01:12:44.340 That's true.

01:12:45.600 And the metamorphosis.

01:12:46.700 Is it shocking to you that that's the truth?

01:12:49.320 It is.

01:12:50.320 I would never, never have believed that it would have been possible.

01:12:54.240 I thought on best case, you know, after we get home, she'll probably make it three to six months and we'll have to put her back home. 1.00

01:13:01.340 She's been off ever since.

01:13:03.040 And the metamorphosis that has occurred within her and that continues to occur demonstrates to me the reality of the fundamental evolution that an ibogaine experience specifically and a plant medicine experience more broadly can produce for the human being.

01:13:23.100 When it is approached with the right intention.

01:13:25.580 Amen.

01:13:26.200 So how, how do, how does ibogaine help for alcoholism, for drug addiction, for PTSD?

01:13:34.220 How does it actually help?

01:13:38.060 Ibogaine's mechanism of action or what is the question of how is a mystery.

01:13:43.860 No one understands how it does what it does, but we know what it does.

01:13:48.700 Okay.

01:13:49.360 When it comes to polysubstance dependency, and I mean opioids, stimulants like cocaine, meth, for which we have absolutely zero medical treatments in the entire sphere of Western medicine.

01:14:04.620 Wow.

01:14:04.840 So alcohol or any other physiologically dependence causing substance, ibogaine has the unique and singular ability to essentially restore the brain itself and its neurochemical processes to the condition that it was in before an individual ever took the first substance.

01:14:27.360 So for instance, with opioids, no matter how long somebody has taken opioids, there is published literature, which says that for 80% of folks who take a single dose, that a single dose of ibogaine?

01:14:41.880 Yes, sir.

01:14:42.680 A single treatment completely and fully eliminates any desire for reuse, as well as any semblance of opioid withdrawal syndrome.

01:14:52.720 So for somebody who's opioid dependent, their brain can't produce dopamine and serotonin.

01:14:58.380 These are our instinct chemicals.

01:15:00.920 They're what drive eating, drinking, procreating, fighting, and running, dopamine and serotonin.

01:15:08.360 When an opioid dependent individual can't get their pills, and when they engage in what everybody thinks is just depraved criminality,

01:15:17.340 where we're actually looking at are the symptoms of a profound neurochemical brain injury,

01:15:22.480 where that person is starved for dopamine and serotonin production.

01:15:26.820 The brain has to be completely free from opioid exposure for at least a year and a half before it will begin to produce its own dopamine and serotonin.

01:15:38.580 So suboxone and methadone are substitute opioids.

01:15:43.180 They're given at dosages that are lower so that an individual can have a restoration of functioning without experiencing withdrawal.

01:15:50.860 Got it.

01:15:51.080 And the prolonged depression and craving that lasts sometimes for years that go with the absence of opioids.

01:15:57.040 Ibogaine essentially, in 36 to 48 hours, fully and completely restores the brain's own organic dopamine and serotonin production

01:16:07.920 to that which existed before the person ever had their first substance.

01:16:12.240 Wow.

01:16:12.380 So, for instance, Special Forces veterans.

01:16:16.980 We've been at war for 25 years now.

01:16:19.740 We have thousands of young men and women who have returned home with wounds to their mind, body, and soul.

01:16:26.500 They have gone through the Veterans Administration, which has at its disposal all the synthetic pharmacology

01:16:34.660 that the big pharma industry has produced, the sum total of which is to basically numb the individual to their pain,

01:16:42.400 whether it's in the case of opioids, the physical pain, or whether it is the emotional pain

01:16:47.780 through which people get Prozac and Xanax and all those others that numb us and anesthetize us.

01:16:58.080 As these veterans would experience these repeated treatment failures,

01:17:02.420 where no matter how much numb an agent they were given,

01:17:05.460 they could not escape the consequences of physical and emotional trauma of war,

01:17:12.420 they became ready to end their life.

01:17:15.100 Well, for sure, because I think one of the things that doesn't fix your soul,

01:17:18.760 I mean, your soul doesn't want to be at war.

01:17:20.740 Imagine, like, your soul is built for love and for connection,

01:17:23.940 and then you go and are a part of something that is, you know,

01:17:28.940 now I understand it can be good for the society you're from

01:17:31.900 and that that is your job and what you've committed to do

01:17:35.600 and to do it well on behalf of the peace of your people, right?

01:17:39.920 I totally understand that.

01:17:41.080 But I think there's a deeper part of us that doesn't want to do that at all, right?

01:17:46.100 And so, yeah, that part, how do you start to heal that part?

01:17:49.720 Because big pharma can't do that, you know?

01:17:52.460 The consequence of war is profound trauma.

01:17:55.300 And profound trauma cannot be resolved through medications

01:17:58.580 that do nothing other than numb you to the consequences of that trauma.

01:18:03.060 It is still there.

01:18:03.900 30,177 suicides amongst U.S. service members and veterans of the post-9-11 wars.

01:18:12.840 Wow.

01:18:14.040 The study finds that at least four times as many active-duty personnel

01:18:17.140 and war veterans of post-9-11 conflicts have died of suicide than in combat,

01:18:21.680 and an estimated 30,177 have died by suicide.

01:18:25.360 The report notes that the increasing rates of suicide for both veterans

01:18:29.720 and active-duty personnel are outpacing those of the general population,

01:18:34.940 an alarming shift as suicide rates among service members

01:18:37.840 have historically been lower than the suicide rates among the general population.

01:18:43.980 The report finds that these high suicide rates are caused by multiple factors,

01:18:48.480 including risks inherent to fighting in any war,

01:18:52.320 such as high exposure to trauma, stress, military culture, and training,

01:18:56.440 and the difficulty of reintegrating into civilian life.

01:19:01.960 But the study also finds there are factors unique to the post-9-11 era,

01:19:06.000 including a huge increase in exposure to improvised explosive devices, IED,

01:19:10.920 and an attendant rise in traumatic brain injuries.

01:19:14.360 Wow.

01:19:16.700 So, as veterans are returning from war with traumas that could not in any way

01:19:21.380 be adequately addressed by the treatment options that we have,

01:19:25.140 there were people who had traveled to Gabon,

01:19:27.880 who had come into contact with the weedy knowledge of the restorative effects

01:19:32.760 that iboga and ibogaine can produce.

01:19:35.260 And they set up shop south of the border in Mexico,

01:19:37.960 and slowly but steadily, veterans in the late 2000s, early 2010s,

01:19:45.060 started going to Mexico to get ibogaine treatment

01:19:48.560 as the Hail Mary passed to save their lives.

01:19:50.980 Veterans were in 2010, they started going.

01:19:53.060 Late 2000s, early 2010s,

01:19:56.340 this dynamic of veterans returning home,

01:19:59.580 hearing word of mouth about ibogaine,

01:20:01.420 thinking this sounds crazy and out of this world, 0.98

01:20:03.820 but I'm going to kill myself. 0.90

01:20:05.680 And I've got to do something to see if I can get some relief.

01:20:10.580 Well, as they came back, you know,

01:20:13.580 steadily an increase in numbers,

01:20:16.440 there became this recognition that these veterans

01:20:20.420 who were being treated with,

01:20:24.620 in some cases, dozens of prescriptions,

01:20:27.420 taking handfuls of pills every day

01:20:29.560 for conditions that were not being effectively treated

01:20:33.420 with this bombardment of synthetic pharmacology

01:20:37.040 were returning with these miracle stories of recovery

01:20:40.340 that just sounded too good to be true.

01:20:43.040 Not only had they essentially obtained relief

01:20:46.420 from treatment-resistant anxiety and depression,

01:20:49.380 post-traumatic stress,

01:20:50.900 and had seen a restoration in their ability to function globally,

01:20:54.320 but they were no longer substance-dependent.

01:20:57.420 They were not substance-dependent on the alcohol

01:20:59.760 that they were drinking to kill their pain,

01:21:01.340 didn't want no more of it,

01:21:02.500 and they didn't need to take all those drugs

01:21:04.500 that had been prescribed through the VA system

01:21:06.740 produced by Big Pharma.

01:21:08.360 They were restored individuals

01:21:10.820 who had been liberated

01:21:12.120 from all of those chemical-logical dependencies.

01:21:15.680 A philanthropist wanted to understand

01:21:17.680 what was going on

01:21:19.420 to explain what sounded like

01:21:21.380 miraculous recovery experiences.

01:21:23.420 And the question was,

01:21:25.600 is there anything to this,

01:21:26.760 or is this the placebo effect?

01:21:28.460 These guys have just gone down there,

01:21:29.860 they've had some sort of, you know,

01:21:32.040 they've had some sort of psychological experience,

01:21:34.260 and it's just flipped this switch

01:21:35.480 that's made them see things different.

01:21:37.300 What is going on?

01:21:39.140 So in 2018,

01:21:40.780 a researcher by the name of Dr. Nolan Williams,

01:21:43.620 who is a neuropsychiatrist

01:21:45.060 at Stanford University,

01:21:47.120 collected a cohort of 30 veterans

01:21:49.440 who were ready to end their lives,

01:21:52.460 who were suffering from the effects

01:21:54.920 of post-traumatic stress,

01:21:57.080 treatment-resistant anxiety and depression,

01:22:00.160 as well as traumatic brain injury.

01:22:03.800 And each of these veterans,

01:22:06.140 through an organization called VETS,

01:22:08.200 or Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions,

01:22:10.280 were about to go to Mexico

01:22:11.320 to get Ibogaine treatment.

01:22:13.060 So Dr. Williams and his team

01:22:14.740 conducted MRI images

01:22:17.740 of the brains of these veterans

01:22:19.760 before treatment,

01:22:20.800 so that they would have a comparison

01:22:22.420 to make after treatment.

01:22:24.820 Simultaneously,

01:22:25.680 they constructed this enormous database

01:22:28.860 of hundreds of thousands

01:22:30.940 of MRI images

01:22:32.520 of healthy brains

01:22:33.620 covering the adult lifespan,

01:22:35.420 so that there would be a baseline

01:22:37.620 by which to compare the veterans

01:22:39.940 as they both before

01:22:41.440 and after their treatment.

01:22:42.440 After the results were produced

01:22:46.500 and compiled and generated

01:22:47.980 by Dr. Williams' team,

01:22:50.560 he looked at them

01:22:51.420 and he had everything deleted

01:22:53.940 and told his team to go back

01:22:55.600 and start from scratch

01:22:56.600 because he thought the results

01:22:58.460 were the result

01:23:00.780 of a tremendous calculation error.

01:23:03.600 And he told his team,

01:23:05.140 there's no way this is correct.

01:23:07.620 Delete everything,

01:23:08.760 go back and rerun all of your data,

01:23:10.940 and let's see if what you have produced

01:23:12.900 is replicated.

01:23:14.000 And sure enough, it was.

01:23:15.820 And what the data showed was this.

01:23:18.920 As you may know,

01:23:20.360 there's not a single pill,

01:23:22.280 medication, or treatment

01:23:23.360 somebody can get

01:23:24.460 that will regenerate brain tissue.

01:23:27.420 When it's gone, it's gone.

01:23:29.820 In the cases of these veterans,

01:23:32.100 the white matter

01:23:33.000 that covers the surface of our brains

01:23:35.000 is the highway across which

01:23:36.260 all of our thoughts and impulses travel,

01:23:38.620 grew and thickened in size.

01:23:40.320 The centers of the brain

01:23:42.040 responsible for emotional regulation

01:23:44.400 and executive functioning

01:23:45.740 grew in size.

01:23:47.240 And according to Dr. Williams,

01:23:49.280 the average reversal of brain age

01:23:52.160 among the cohort of 30 veterans

01:23:54.020 was one and a half years,

01:23:55.800 with the top group of five

01:23:58.460 seeing a reversal of brain age

01:24:00.160 of almost five years.

01:24:02.080 All the little black dots

01:24:03.820 that were on the pretreatment MRIs,

01:24:06.340 which indicated dead brain tissue

01:24:08.540 from traumatic brain injury,

01:24:10.520 were gone on the post-treatment MRIs.

01:24:14.360 This came from a single treatment

01:24:15.740 for each of these 30 men.

01:24:17.880 And the symptoms

01:24:19.040 of treatment-resistant anxiety,

01:24:21.360 depression,

01:24:21.860 and post-traumatic stress

01:24:22.860 for 88% of them

01:24:24.240 was in complete and total remission

01:24:26.120 six months out.

01:24:27.480 Wow.

01:24:27.560 They continued to be monitored.

01:24:29.540 All of them experienced

01:24:30.900 a significant increase

01:24:32.260 in their ability to just function

01:24:33.880 and exist in day-to-day life.

01:24:36.580 And in almost every case,

01:24:39.200 none of them had to go back

01:24:40.600 on any of the medications

01:24:41.680 that were given to them

01:24:42.580 through the VA system.

01:24:43.760 Marcus Luttrell,

01:24:45.260 who, as you may know,

01:24:46.160 is a lone survivor

01:24:47.040 who was portrayed by Mark Wahlberg,

01:24:48.860 is probably the most notable

01:24:51.280 living example

01:24:52.660 of what Ibogaine can do

01:24:55.080 to restore the mind,

01:24:57.960 body, and soul

01:24:59.440 of the traumatized individual,

01:25:01.840 whether that trauma

01:25:02.780 was produced by war

01:25:03.980 or through the horrors

01:25:05.580 of a terrible childhood

01:25:06.700 captive to parents

01:25:07.720 or no parents

01:25:09.120 who were just left to be raised

01:25:10.800 by the coarse hands of this world.

01:25:13.340 He is somebody

01:25:14.600 who exemplifies

01:25:16.080 what it can do

01:25:17.300 to reorient

01:25:18.300 an individual's relationship

01:25:19.700 with themselves

01:25:20.500 and the world

01:25:21.860 and to produce

01:25:22.880 an entirely new reality

01:25:24.300 that is rooted

01:25:25.420 in their human divinity.

01:25:27.060 Wow.

01:25:27.360 And that's Marcus Luttrell?

01:25:28.700 Yes, sir.

01:25:29.300 I'm not familiar with him.

01:25:31.360 He's a living man?

01:25:32.620 He is a living man.

01:25:33.880 He's a big living man as well.

01:25:36.000 Marcus Luttrell,

01:25:36.760 he began training

01:25:37.360 for the U.S. Navy SEALs

01:25:38.360 at the age of 14,

01:25:40.080 enlisted in the U.S. Navy

01:25:40.900 in March 1999.

01:25:43.600 He went to BUDS,

01:25:45.300 became a Navy SEAL,

01:25:46.080 back down.

01:25:48.260 BUDS became a Navy SEAL,

01:25:50.560 deployed to Afghanistan

01:25:51.520 with SEAL Team 10,

01:25:55.260 involved in a lot of operations.

01:25:58.220 His SEAL team was ambushed,

01:25:59.640 only Luttrell survived.

01:26:00.720 Wow.

01:26:01.180 He was awarded the Navy Cross

01:26:02.140 for his actions

01:26:02.780 during the operation.

01:26:03.740 Man.

01:26:06.360 Yeah, I know you mentioned,

01:26:08.240 and thank you for your service,

01:26:09.460 Mr. Luttrell.

01:26:10.580 Yeah, I would like to meet that guy.

01:26:11.740 He sounds very interesting.

01:26:14.580 Do,

01:26:15.540 and so you guys

01:26:16.200 had an experience recently

01:26:17.140 in Texas

01:26:17.880 where you

01:26:20.380 were able to achieve

01:26:22.340 some

01:26:23.020 litigation, right?

01:26:25.120 Or was it litigation,

01:26:26.100 or was it?

01:26:26.600 It was the passage

01:26:27.720 of the largest

01:26:29.320 single public investment

01:26:31.340 for psychedelic research

01:26:32.800 and medical development

01:26:33.920 in all of history.

01:26:35.160 And we got it done

01:26:36.240 in the state of Texas.

01:26:37.260 It was the successful completion

01:26:39.940 of the project

01:26:41.020 that I began in Kentucky.

01:26:42.860 We began our conversation

01:26:44.400 discussing me coming into

01:26:45.700 the role of running

01:26:46.620 the Opioid Commission

01:26:47.560 in that state.

01:26:48.660 I had proposed

01:26:49.740 that we take $42 million

01:26:51.140 of the state's

01:26:52.160 opioid settlements

01:26:53.080 to get Ibogaine

01:26:54.120 through the FDA's

01:26:55.080 drug development process

01:26:56.140 as a breakthrough therapeutic

01:26:57.720 for opioid dependency

01:26:59.040 because of what it can do

01:27:00.600 within 36 to 48 hours

01:27:02.760 to essentially fully resolve

01:27:04.440 any withdrawal from opioids.

01:27:05.880 That project was terminated.

01:27:08.900 Well, let me back up.

01:27:10.820 That project received

01:27:12.180 great bipartisan support

01:27:13.900 while it was under consideration

01:27:15.360 in Kentucky.

01:27:15.860 In Kentucky?

01:27:16.360 Yes, sir.

01:27:17.040 And I am convinced

01:27:18.160 that if it had gone

01:27:19.100 to a ballot vote

01:27:20.180 the way they do in California

01:27:21.600 for different initiatives,

01:27:23.180 people in Kentucky

01:27:23.940 would have voted for it

01:27:24.860 60-40.

01:27:26.260 But unfortunately,

01:27:27.500 that state has a history

01:27:28.720 whereby its power structure

01:27:30.420 oftentimes serves itself

01:27:32.260 first and foremost,

01:27:33.980 often to the detriment

01:27:35.120 of everyday people.

01:27:37.220 And in the case

01:27:37.880 of Ibogaine in Kentucky,

01:27:38.940 that's exactly what happened.

01:27:40.760 Even in a state

01:27:41.520 that was so afflicted

01:27:42.720 by the opioid epidemic?

01:27:44.380 That's correct

01:27:45.340 because you have

01:27:46.280 some people in power there

01:27:47.740 who have profited

01:27:48.680 handsomely

01:27:49.380 off of their association

01:27:50.640 with the creators

01:27:51.560 of the opioid epidemic.

01:27:53.060 For instance,

01:27:54.980 current Kentucky governor,

01:27:56.400 Andy Beshear,

01:27:57.640 and his father,

01:27:58.760 Steve Beshear,

01:27:59.780 were partners

01:28:00.300 in a law firm

01:28:01.100 called Stinson Harbison.

01:28:02.340 while Stinson Harbison

01:28:04.840 represented Purdue Pharma

01:28:07.140 and their litigation

01:28:08.700 against the people 0.98

01:28:09.900 of Kentucky.

01:28:11.200 A case that was worth

01:28:12.820 $1 billion

01:28:13.900 was settled

01:28:15.540 for a measly

01:28:16.460 $24 million

01:28:17.540 just days

01:28:18.920 before Andy Beshear

01:28:20.000 became the attorney general

01:28:21.220 of Kentucky.

01:28:22.660 Wow.

01:28:22.920 So that feels like

01:28:24.620 allegedly

01:28:25.260 that there's some stink

01:28:26.460 to it

01:28:26.920 because that should have been

01:28:28.000 a much bigger settlement.

01:28:29.400 Should have been

01:28:29.900 a much bigger settlement

01:28:30.940 and there certainly

01:28:31.840 should have been

01:28:32.480 some examination

01:28:33.300 and interrogation

01:28:34.920 in connection

01:28:35.580 with how that settlement

01:28:36.580 came to pass.

01:28:37.660 Break up a picture

01:28:38.180 of Mr. Beshear

01:28:38.720 just so I even know

01:28:39.320 what he looks like.

01:28:40.300 So often we have people

01:28:41.720 making choices for us

01:28:43.060 and we just don't get

01:28:44.300 a gander at him.

01:28:45.500 Look at this fellow

01:28:46.340 right there

01:28:46.900 and where is he from?

01:28:49.540 He is the son

01:28:51.640 of former Kentucky

01:28:53.000 Governor Steve Beshear.

01:28:55.200 He is a guy

01:28:56.420 who I think

01:28:57.200 you and I, Theo,

01:28:58.120 grew up around a lot.

01:28:59.500 Born on third base,

01:29:00.940 thinks he hit a triple,

01:29:02.640 likes to talk a lot

01:29:03.660 about his religiosity,

01:29:05.680 his positions

01:29:06.860 in the church house

01:29:07.960 and likes to do

01:29:10.320 a whole lot

01:29:11.020 of using performative

01:29:12.240 public piety

01:29:13.120 to hide

01:29:13.800 what happens

01:29:14.860 behind them

01:29:15.400 closed doors

01:29:16.100 at the Capitol.

01:29:17.740 Yeah, it's just unfortunate.

01:29:18.840 I don't understand

01:29:19.400 how you wouldn't give

01:29:20.340 every opportunity

01:29:22.120 for your people,

01:29:23.640 especially in a state

01:29:24.360 that was so devastated.

01:29:26.740 Yeah, I was born

01:29:27.400 in Louisville,

01:29:28.600 went to Vanderbilt.

01:29:30.200 That's a bummer.

01:29:31.260 I mean, Vanderbilt's great,

01:29:32.780 but I just think

01:29:34.600 he would,

01:29:35.500 you know,

01:29:36.160 that just bums me out

01:29:37.260 because it's here in town.

01:29:38.380 So he was willing,

01:29:39.100 he was just milling around here.

01:29:40.680 He was hired

01:29:41.460 by the law firm

01:29:42.180 Stites and Harbison.

01:29:44.020 Oh, you're not going

01:29:44.680 to see that

01:29:45.100 on his Wikipedia entry.

01:29:47.020 Oh, they won't put

01:29:47.560 that on there.

01:29:48.400 They're not going

01:29:49.640 to draw the fine line

01:29:51.300 of association

01:29:52.120 between he and his daddy,

01:29:54.080 their law firm

01:29:54.760 in Purdue Pharma.

01:29:55.840 They're going to try

01:29:56.400 to run him

01:29:56.820 for president

01:29:57.360 in 2028.

01:29:58.480 Did that really happen?

01:30:00.440 That really happened.

01:30:01.460 Well, just Google

01:30:02.120 did Andy Beshear

01:30:03.000 and did Stites

01:30:04.060 and Harbison.

01:30:05.320 Beshear,

01:30:05.880 the governor's office

01:30:06.680 points out,

01:30:07.560 worked for Louisville-based

01:30:08.640 Stites and Harbison,

01:30:09.600 the law firm

01:30:10.080 representing Purdue Pharma

01:30:11.480 against the people 0.98

01:30:12.520 of Kentucky.

01:30:13.440 Wow, there we go.

01:30:14.800 I can't believe

01:30:15.640 $24 million.

01:30:17.360 It's grotesque.

01:30:18.760 I remember thinking

01:30:19.820 $24 million

01:30:20.340 was an awfully low amount,

01:30:21.580 Robinson said.

01:30:22.180 I mean, look at

01:30:22.560 what Oklahoma got

01:30:23.420 and they haven't been hit

01:30:24.100 with the crisis we have.

01:30:27.020 Let me see.

01:30:27.960 Stumbo goes further

01:30:28.800 in his criticism

01:30:29.340 of the case

01:30:29.800 is handling by both

01:30:30.780 of his successors

01:30:31.580 and lends credibility

01:30:32.340 to an attack

01:30:33.260 being levied

01:30:33.800 by Republican Governor

01:30:34.920 Matt Bevin

01:30:35.880 who has raised

01:30:36.400 conflict of interest questions

01:30:37.620 surrounding Bashir 0.64

01:30:38.520 and Conway.

01:30:39.580 Bashir,

01:30:40.000 the governor's office

01:30:40.760 points out,

01:30:41.360 worked for Louisville-based

01:30:42.460 Stites and Harbison,

01:30:44.040 the law firm

01:30:44.940 representing Purdue Pharma

01:30:46.340 against the state

01:30:47.280 before being elected

01:30:48.780 attorney general

01:30:49.700 in 2015.

01:30:50.920 So, he worked

01:30:51.880 for the law firm

01:30:52.400 representing Purdue Pharma

01:30:53.420 against the state.

01:30:54.800 That's correct.

01:30:55.580 So, he worked

01:30:57.600 for Purdue Pharma.

01:30:58.980 He worked

01:30:59.860 for the law firm

01:31:00.820 that worked

01:31:01.440 for Purdue Pharma.

01:31:02.700 And Theo,

01:31:03.760 I am a lawyer.

01:31:05.580 I went to law school.

01:31:07.560 I was a partner

01:31:08.240 in a couple of law firms

01:31:09.800 and I can tell you

01:31:10.760 any law partner

01:31:12.400 who draws

01:31:13.120 a partner's draw

01:31:14.100 from a firm

01:31:14.940 is receiving cash

01:31:16.860 from its collective

01:31:17.740 clientele.

01:31:19.180 There's not

01:31:19.820 one part of cash

01:31:20.860 that comes

01:31:21.360 from one client

01:31:22.320 to one lawyer

01:31:22.980 and another pot of cash

01:31:24.140 that goes from

01:31:24.780 one lawyer to another

01:31:25.640 particularly in an

01:31:26.560 insurance defense firm

01:31:27.620 like Stites and Harbison.

01:31:29.220 There's one big

01:31:30.000 communal pot of money.

01:31:31.640 So, if Stites and Harbison

01:31:32.740 is making money

01:31:33.860 representing Purdue Pharma

01:31:35.500 against the people 0.98

01:31:36.360 of Kentucky

01:31:37.020 as partners

01:31:37.880 in that law firm,

01:31:39.080 Steve and Andy Beshear

01:31:40.280 were making money

01:31:41.520 off of Stites and Harbison

01:31:43.040 representing Purdue Pharma

01:31:44.680 against the people 0.98

01:31:45.460 of Kentucky.

01:31:46.380 And that is the very best

01:31:47.920 that can be said

01:31:48.760 for the situation.

01:31:50.580 I mean, allegedly

01:31:51.140 that would be

01:31:52.100 how it would work.

01:31:53.180 But then,

01:31:53.800 how does he get over

01:31:54.580 to represent,

01:31:56.200 how does he retire

01:31:57.000 from there

01:31:57.360 and just get to

01:31:57.900 come into office?

01:31:59.420 Well, it's his dad

01:32:00.600 who retires.

01:32:01.900 His dad retires

01:32:03.020 as governor,

01:32:03.820 he goes back

01:32:04.400 into law practice

01:32:05.280 and then Andy

01:32:05.940 becomes the attorney general.

01:32:07.560 In the meantime,

01:32:08.500 while his daddy's governor,

01:32:10.240 the firm's representing

01:32:11.200 Purdue Pharma

01:32:11.900 and when Andy

01:32:12.680 goes in to be

01:32:13.420 attorney general,

01:32:14.320 the firm is still

01:32:15.000 representing Purdue Pharma.

01:32:16.340 You see how all that works?

01:32:18.240 And lawyers would tell you,

01:32:19.320 oh, we have these

01:32:20.560 ethical rules

01:32:21.560 and we didn't talk about it

01:32:23.000 and we didn't discuss it.

01:32:24.960 What was it

01:32:25.780 that we talked about

01:32:26.620 in terms of how evil operates?

01:32:28.480 It does so

01:32:29.080 with the respectability

01:32:30.220 of white collar suits

01:32:31.820 and fancy degrees.

01:32:32.900 I think that we can see

01:32:35.240 what underlying reality

01:32:37.320 might be

01:32:38.100 as opposed to

01:32:39.260 what's presented.

01:32:41.360 I mean,

01:32:41.600 it feels like

01:32:42.100 there certainly

01:32:42.600 would be a conflict

01:32:43.280 of interest there

01:32:43.980 to me.

01:32:44.500 That's what that does

01:32:45.240 feel like

01:32:45.820 and is so,

01:32:47.000 but did he get elected

01:32:48.120 to attorney general?

01:32:49.480 He was elected

01:32:50.560 to be the attorney general

01:32:51.820 by-

01:32:52.300 So the people voted on it?

01:32:53.820 They didn't know about this.

01:32:55.200 So at the time

01:32:55.940 that he was running

01:32:56.760 for attorney general,

01:32:58.740 state media

01:32:59.500 did not in any way

01:33:01.040 confirm or advertise

01:33:02.220 the fact

01:33:03.000 that Andy Beshear

01:33:05.160 was a law partner

01:33:06.100 at the firm

01:33:06.740 that was representing

01:33:07.580 Purdue Pharma

01:33:08.260 while he was running

01:33:09.080 for attorney general.

01:33:10.220 This was not a fact

01:33:11.160 that came out

01:33:11.760 before he was elected.

01:33:12.920 He was elected

01:33:13.500 by, I think,

01:33:14.760 a thousand votes

01:33:15.660 in that election

01:33:16.460 and he received

01:33:17.520 criticism

01:33:18.160 from then-Governor

01:33:20.500 Matt Bevin

01:33:21.040 for the relationship

01:33:22.120 and essentially

01:33:23.140 Governor Bevin's

01:33:24.320 criticisms,

01:33:25.660 as you saw,

01:33:26.360 they were repeated

01:33:27.140 by one of the state's paper.

01:33:28.540 But that relationship

01:33:30.580 has never received

01:33:31.740 any sort of

01:33:32.520 real in-depth

01:33:33.100 examination

01:33:33.720 or investigation.

01:33:36.120 Hopefully that'll happen

01:33:36.900 before he runs

01:33:37.460 for president in 28.

01:33:38.920 Oh, that's pretty fascinating.

01:33:40.360 And so who's

01:33:40.800 the governor now?

01:33:41.800 Governor is Andy Beshear.

01:33:43.060 It is.

01:33:43.600 So he went from

01:33:44.400 being attorney general

01:33:45.460 to being governor

01:33:46.660 and now he is talked

01:33:48.600 about as a top-tier

01:33:49.660 candidate for president

01:33:50.660 in 2028.

01:33:52.020 And anybody who listens

01:33:53.000 to this show

01:33:53.560 just needs to know

01:33:54.480 he was a law partner

01:33:56.080 at the law firm

01:33:56.760 that represented

01:33:57.400 Purdue Pharma

01:33:58.120 against his own people 0.52

01:33:59.320 while he was

01:34:00.020 a partner there.

01:34:01.240 And then that settlement

01:34:02.320 happened and then recently

01:34:03.360 after that settlement

01:34:04.200 he ended up

01:34:04.560 as attorney general?

01:34:05.360 That is correct.

01:34:06.620 Dang, dude.

01:34:08.780 What?

01:34:09.840 So this is not

01:34:11.020 a Democrat

01:34:11.440 or Republican issue though.

01:34:13.200 This is a bipartisan issue.

01:34:14.800 Oh, yeah.

01:34:15.440 Well, I think it's

01:34:16.160 at this point

01:34:16.700 it's become

01:34:18.260 the people

01:34:18.820 versus the government.

01:34:19.820 It's neither one

01:34:20.420 of these sides.

01:34:21.140 I think we've started

01:34:21.760 to realize

01:34:22.240 certainly here

01:34:22.920 on this show

01:34:23.400 is that nobody

01:34:24.740 has our interest.

01:34:25.760 Very few people

01:34:26.720 it feels like

01:34:27.140 have our interest anymore.

01:34:29.220 It's us

01:34:29.960 against both

01:34:31.040 of them.

01:34:31.640 It feels like

01:34:32.200 95% of the time

01:34:35.020 it is scary.

01:34:37.520 It is the conflict

01:34:38.380 between those

01:34:39.440 of us

01:34:39.880 who recognize

01:34:40.580 that we are

01:34:41.280 of God

01:34:42.020 versus those

01:34:43.560 of us

01:34:44.020 who aim

01:34:44.540 to play God.

01:34:45.740 That is the conflict.

01:34:47.880 And there are

01:34:48.520 members

01:34:48.960 of both parties

01:34:50.160 on each team.

01:34:51.800 And what's important

01:34:52.700 in the here and now

01:34:53.660 is that those

01:34:54.340 of us

01:34:54.760 who recognize

01:34:55.360 that we are

01:34:56.000 of God

01:34:56.740 regardless of

01:34:57.820 what we call

01:34:58.420 ourselves

01:34:59.020 gay, 0.74

01:35:00.500 straight,

01:35:01.500 trans,

01:35:02.280 black,

01:35:03.040 white,

01:35:03.880 purple,

01:35:04.500 green,

01:35:05.360 red,

01:35:06.920 rich,

01:35:07.640 poor,

01:35:08.260 middle class.

01:35:09.340 We are all

01:35:10.160 one human family

01:35:11.320 under the hand

01:35:12.320 of our benevolent

01:35:13.300 loving creator

01:35:14.220 whose stardust

01:35:15.760 runs through

01:35:16.280 our veins

01:35:16.880 and it is us

01:35:18.100 versus every other

01:35:18.940 hand that would

01:35:19.600 seek to control

01:35:20.480 and separate us

01:35:21.400 from each other.

01:35:22.040 Amen, man.

01:35:23.320 Yeah, it's time

01:35:23.900 for people

01:35:24.300 who believe

01:35:25.260 to rise up

01:35:26.020 I believe,

01:35:26.600 you know,

01:35:26.980 and I don't mean

01:35:27.640 that at any

01:35:28.040 like,

01:35:28.580 yeah,

01:35:28.820 anybody

01:35:29.320 because it's like

01:35:30.220 how much more

01:35:31.900 proof do you need

01:35:33.140 that they're trying

01:35:34.840 to extinguish

01:35:35.900 like what makes

01:35:37.440 us us,

01:35:38.240 you know,

01:35:39.140 that they're

01:35:39.540 like how much

01:35:41.120 like what other

01:35:42.040 proof do we need,

01:35:44.060 you know,

01:35:44.640 it's dark.

01:35:46.960 So you had

01:35:47.300 the convergence

01:35:48.000 of Democrats

01:35:48.780 and Republicans

01:35:49.620 in Kentucky,

01:35:50.640 the current

01:35:51.100 Kentucky governor,

01:35:52.180 the current

01:35:52.580 Kentucky attorney

01:35:53.280 general,

01:35:54.140 Democrat and

01:35:54.680 Republican,

01:35:55.480 came together

01:35:56.080 with the

01:35:56.440 University of

01:35:57.160 Kentucky 1.00

01:35:57.540 to kill 1.00

01:35:58.320 the Ibogaine

01:35:58.940 project there

01:35:59.660 in that state.

01:36:01.420 I came to work

01:36:02.480 for a foundation

01:36:03.260 called the Reed

01:36:03.900 Foundation

01:36:04.460 whose founder

01:36:05.120 Rick Selsas

01:36:05.760 had a son

01:36:06.620 who he lost

01:36:07.800 to a fentanyl

01:36:08.400 overdose in 2019.

01:36:09.820 His name was Reed

01:36:10.780 and the Reed

01:36:11.540 Foundation stands

01:36:12.420 for reaching

01:36:12.860 everyone in distress.

01:36:14.460 Went to work

01:36:14.980 with them

01:36:15.360 for about

01:36:15.960 a year and a

01:36:17.200 half looking

01:36:17.720 for a state

01:36:18.380 that would have

01:36:19.040 the sort of

01:36:19.820 leadership

01:36:20.160 with the vision

01:36:20.920 and encouraged

01:36:21.400 to take this

01:36:22.020 on.

01:36:23.020 And then in

01:36:23.680 the fall

01:36:24.300 of 2024,

01:36:26.060 I reached out

01:36:26.840 to former Texas

01:36:27.540 Governor Rick Perry

01:36:28.440 who had supported

01:36:29.320 me in the

01:36:29.900 Kentucky campaign

01:36:30.880 and advised him

01:36:32.280 that I had been

01:36:32.900 contacted by some

01:36:33.940 stakeholders in the

01:36:34.800 state of Texas

01:36:35.360 who said,

01:36:35.880 hey,

01:36:36.760 our state passed

01:36:37.780 a $2 million

01:36:38.380 psilocybin research

01:36:39.840 project back in

01:36:41.020 2021 called

01:36:42.320 House Bill

01:36:42.820 1802.

01:36:43.780 and Texas

01:36:45.260 has a $16

01:36:46.120 billion budget

01:36:47.120 surplus

01:36:47.580 for its

01:36:48.480 2025 legislative

01:36:50.000 session.

01:36:51.020 What do you

01:36:51.540 think Texas'

01:36:52.580 next big

01:36:53.120 project around

01:36:54.000 the advancement

01:36:54.600 of psychedelics

01:36:55.420 should be?

01:36:56.340 And my answer

01:36:56.960 was Texas

01:36:58.160 needs to finish

01:36:58.940 the job

01:36:59.360 that I started

01:36:59.960 in Kentucky.

01:37:01.160 So once I

01:37:02.040 received confirmed

01:37:02.900 interest that there

01:37:03.740 were some legislators

01:37:04.560 who would be

01:37:05.060 willing to do

01:37:05.640 that,

01:37:06.440 I reached out

01:37:07.060 to former Texas

01:37:07.800 Governor Rick Perry

01:37:08.760 and I said,

01:37:09.520 Governor,

01:37:10.460 I have,

01:37:11.440 I'm not from

01:37:12.860 your state,

01:37:13.600 I ain't no

01:37:14.060 Texan,

01:37:14.760 but here's the

01:37:15.340 telephone call

01:37:15.980 I've had.

01:37:16.600 What do you

01:37:16.960 think?

01:37:17.700 He said,

01:37:18.060 you know,

01:37:18.300 I've tried to

01:37:18.760 stay out of

01:37:19.160 the way since

01:37:19.720 my great

01:37:20.700 successor came

01:37:21.560 into office

01:37:22.060 in 2015,

01:37:22.840 but if you're

01:37:24.120 telling me that

01:37:24.720 you're willing

01:37:25.040 to come to

01:37:25.600 Texas and

01:37:26.140 help make

01:37:26.620 Ibogaine

01:37:27.160 a reality

01:37:27.900 here,

01:37:28.500 I'm ready

01:37:28.940 to get back

01:37:29.440 in the scene.

01:37:30.440 And so,

01:37:30.800 Theo,

01:37:31.060 as we sit

01:37:31.660 here,

01:37:32.700 Texas is just

01:37:33.640 a little under

01:37:34.420 one month

01:37:35.020 out,

01:37:35.800 and Governor

01:37:36.500 Abbott has

01:37:37.220 having signed

01:37:38.080 the single

01:37:39.560 largest public

01:37:40.900 investment in

01:37:41.940 psychedelic

01:37:42.540 research.

01:37:42.860 and medical

01:37:43.580 development in

01:37:44.260 all of history,

01:37:45.100 and that is

01:37:45.460 $50 million

01:37:46.160 to create a

01:37:47.140 public-private

01:37:47.700 partnership to

01:37:49.260 see Ibogaine

01:37:50.180 developed as a

01:37:51.080 breakthrough

01:37:51.400 therapeutic for

01:37:52.560 substance use

01:37:53.560 disorder,

01:37:54.280 co-occurring

01:37:55.020 alcohol use

01:37:57.020 disorder,

01:37:57.500 and any other

01:37:58.200 mental health

01:37:58.820 or neurological

01:37:59.480 conditions for

01:38:00.440 which it

01:38:00.840 demonstrates

01:38:01.480 efficacy.

01:38:02.620 Wow.

01:38:03.200 Can that

01:38:03.540 include gambling,

01:38:04.840 sex and love

01:38:05.380 addiction?

01:38:05.820 It could be a

01:38:06.600 lot of types of

01:38:07.160 addiction,

01:38:07.460 do you believe?

01:38:07.860 There are

01:38:08.860 individuals who

01:38:10.000 have gone in

01:38:10.980 for Ibogaine

01:38:11.640 treatment with

01:38:12.620 substance

01:38:14.420 dependencies,

01:38:15.600 have come away

01:38:16.660 with the

01:38:17.300 unintended reality

01:38:18.700 of having some

01:38:19.820 behavioral

01:38:20.380 compulsions broken

01:38:21.480 as well.

01:38:22.500 It is an

01:38:23.040 all-purpose

01:38:23.700 addiction

01:38:24.280 interrupter,

01:38:25.080 which seems

01:38:25.600 to give a

01:38:26.180 folk person

01:38:26.940 a window

01:38:27.720 to basically

01:38:29.100 reorient their

01:38:30.180 relationships with

01:38:31.320 substances and

01:38:32.260 behaviors in a

01:38:33.100 way which they

01:38:33.840 have the

01:38:34.260 control of

01:38:36.120 choice rather

01:38:37.300 than being

01:38:37.700 driven by

01:38:38.260 compulsion.

01:38:39.280 So when you

01:38:39.540 say that they

01:38:39.940 have a window,

01:38:40.680 what does that

01:38:41.140 window look like

01:38:41.980 that's created

01:38:42.600 by Ibogaine

01:38:43.440 and the

01:38:43.720 experience from

01:38:45.080 Ibogaine,

01:38:45.660 like after Ibogaine,

01:38:46.780 like you get

01:38:47.480 back home after

01:38:48.240 your Ibogaine,

01:38:49.120 right?

01:38:49.780 What does that

01:38:50.380 window look like,

01:38:51.560 feel like,

01:38:52.180 how do you best

01:38:53.160 operate within

01:38:54.000 that window as

01:38:54.760 someone who's

01:38:55.260 just gone under

01:38:56.040 the influence of

01:38:58.220 the medication?

01:38:59.160 So there's

01:38:59.500 another researcher

01:39:00.300 by the name of

01:39:01.320 Dr. Gull,

01:39:02.260 G-U-L, 1.00

01:39:03.200 Dolan,

01:39:03.600 D-O-L-E-N. 1.00

01:39:05.780 Gull Dolan,

01:39:06.460 it's a woman? 1.00

01:39:07.040 Woman.

01:39:07.720 She has Turkish

01:39:08.480 background and

01:39:10.020 she has published

01:39:11.040 research around

01:39:12.700 what is called the

01:39:13.660 reopening of the

01:39:14.540 brain's critical

01:39:15.320 period.

01:39:16.260 When we are

01:39:17.400 children,

01:39:18.380 from birth

01:39:19.440 until about

01:39:20.220 three years old,

01:39:21.380 our brains are

01:39:22.220 very malleable,

01:39:23.160 as you previously

01:39:24.020 discussed,

01:39:24.880 and the things

01:39:25.820 that we experience

01:39:26.960 make a significant

01:39:28.020 impression upon us

01:39:29.300 during those first

01:39:30.100 three years,

01:39:30.820 which is when

01:39:31.320 people like you

01:39:31.980 and I have had

01:39:33.200 a series of

01:39:33.800 what they call

01:39:34.260 the ACEs,

01:39:35.060 or Adverse

01:39:35.820 Childhood

01:39:36.340 Experiences,

01:39:36.980 they can make

01:39:37.680 a significant

01:39:38.280 impact that

01:39:39.460 become manifest

01:39:40.260 in behaviors

01:39:41.020 in adulthood

01:39:41.620 that can be

01:39:42.240 destructive.

01:39:43.620 What Dr. Dolan

01:39:44.640 has been able

01:39:45.220 to do is

01:39:45.820 quantify the

01:39:47.180 reopening of

01:39:48.200 the brain's

01:39:48.800 critical period

01:39:49.600 that can be

01:39:50.240 triggered by

01:39:51.040 different plant

01:39:52.100 medicines that

01:39:53.440 basically put us

01:39:54.360 back in the

01:39:55.080 same state of

01:39:56.420 malleability

01:39:57.180 within the brain

01:39:58.020 that existed

01:39:58.580 when we were

01:39:59.140 born.

01:39:59.460 So this

01:40:00.440 is an

01:40:01.340 exceptional

01:40:02.240 opportunity

01:40:03.200 to rewire

01:40:05.420 the brain

01:40:06.080 for new

01:40:07.160 habits,

01:40:07.800 thoughts,

01:40:08.640 and behaviors.

01:40:10.660 Dr. Dolan

01:40:11.200 has been able

01:40:11.700 to quantify

01:40:12.260 that among

01:40:12.860 all the

01:40:13.660 psychedelics

01:40:14.380 or plant

01:40:14.880 medicines,

01:40:15.860 that ibogaine

01:40:16.660 opens up

01:40:17.980 the critical

01:40:18.860 period for

01:40:19.580 the brain

01:40:20.100 for the

01:40:20.600 longest period

01:40:21.320 of time

01:40:21.940 among them

01:40:22.800 all.

01:40:23.140 So if we

01:40:24.880 think about

01:40:25.640 medicalizing

01:40:26.860 ibogaine

01:40:27.560 as a

01:40:28.360 treatment

01:40:28.600 that we

01:40:29.000 would

01:40:29.180 introduce

01:40:29.760 through

01:40:30.180 the

01:40:30.460 United

01:40:30.800 States

01:40:31.360 substance

01:40:31.820 use

01:40:32.280 and

01:40:32.540 mental

01:40:32.760 health

01:40:33.020 care

01:40:33.220 infrastructure,

01:40:34.980 we are

01:40:35.440 talking about

01:40:36.140 a profound

01:40:37.080 opportunity

01:40:37.900 to revolutionize

01:40:39.360 how we

01:40:40.180 treat trauma,

01:40:41.720 addiction,

01:40:42.400 as well as a

01:40:43.060 host of other

01:40:43.680 neurological

01:40:44.160 conditions that

01:40:45.080 adversely impact

01:40:46.040 the brain for

01:40:46.600 which we have

01:40:47.080 no effective

01:40:47.560 treatment.

01:40:48.220 There's another

01:40:48.600 researcher I'll

01:40:49.320 mention by

01:40:50.380 the name of

01:40:51.500 Dr.

01:40:51.960 Dalibor Samish

01:40:53.620 and that's

01:40:54.180 D-A-L-I-B-O-R-S-A-M-E-S. 1.00

01:40:57.900 He is a

01:40:58.980 genius

01:40:59.700 neurochemist

01:41:01.280 with Columbia

01:41:02.000 University

01:41:02.740 and he has

01:41:03.840 coined a

01:41:04.340 phrase called

01:41:05.020 matrix

01:41:05.540 pharmacology

01:41:06.380 to describe

01:41:07.300 ibogaine's

01:41:08.380 effects.

01:41:09.780 His goal

01:41:10.660 is to apply

01:41:11.420 artificial

01:41:12.040 intelligence

01:41:12.660 to pull

01:41:13.400 apart

01:41:14.060 this extremely

01:41:15.080 complex

01:41:15.880 molecule

01:41:16.400 so that it

01:41:17.480 can be

01:41:17.820 specialized

01:41:18.340 to address

01:41:19.200 conditions

01:41:19.780 of the

01:41:20.300 brain

01:41:20.660 for which

01:41:21.180 we have

01:41:21.500 no good

01:41:21.880 answers

01:41:22.340 among

01:41:22.800 those

01:41:23.200 would be

01:41:23.580 Parkinson's

01:41:24.240 disease

01:41:24.700 multiple

01:41:25.220 sclerosis

01:41:25.920 Lyme disease

01:41:26.680 and perhaps

01:41:28.060 even multiple

01:41:28.860 forms of

01:41:29.460 dementia

01:41:29.820 among which

01:41:30.560 Alzheimer's

01:41:31.380 is one

01:41:32.080 the matrix

01:41:33.280 pharmacology

01:41:34.220 as Dr.

01:41:35.240 Samish

01:41:35.580 explains

01:41:36.160 is unparalleled

01:41:38.060 in the annals

01:41:38.900 of modern

01:41:39.480 science

01:41:40.060 so what

01:41:41.300 began

01:41:41.860 as an

01:41:42.600 understanding

01:41:43.240 of profound

01:41:44.060 spiritual

01:41:44.660 significance

01:41:45.380 attached to

01:41:45.980 this alkaloid

01:41:46.820 by the

01:41:47.240 West African

01:41:47.980 Bwedi peoples 0.81

01:41:48.940 translated into

01:41:50.400 knowledge of

01:41:51.060 its addiction

01:41:52.040 interruption

01:41:52.680 properties

01:41:53.320 within the

01:41:53.960 U.S.

01:41:54.360 counterculture

01:41:54.920 of the

01:41:55.360 60s

01:41:55.900 has now

01:41:56.900 emerged

01:41:57.580 as an

01:41:59.380 opportunity

01:41:59.980 to create

01:42:01.580 a number

01:42:02.700 of therapeutic

01:42:03.580 breakthroughs

01:42:04.440 across conditions

01:42:05.460 that are

01:42:06.080 literally hobbling

01:42:07.180 if not ending

01:42:08.080 the lives

01:42:08.700 of millions

01:42:09.080 of people

01:42:09.600 within the

01:42:10.140 United States

01:42:11.020 and around

01:42:12.120 the world

01:42:12.580 wow

01:42:12.960 this is a

01:42:14.260 once in a

01:42:15.080 multiple

01:42:15.680 lifetime

01:42:16.440 opportunity

01:42:17.400 to change

01:42:19.280 the future

01:42:20.120 trajectory

01:42:20.700 of medical

01:42:21.340 history

01:42:21.740 in a way

01:42:22.300 that can

01:42:22.880 lift up

01:42:23.480 and improve

01:42:23.960 the lives

01:42:24.520 of millions

01:42:25.140 of people

01:42:25.660 alive

01:42:26.280 and yet

01:42:27.120 to be born

01:42:27.700 and are there

01:42:30.100 recommendations

01:42:30.580 when you leave

01:42:31.400 the facility

01:42:32.040 that

01:42:32.720 that they're like

01:42:34.180 this is what

01:42:34.740 you should do

01:42:35.340 these are things

01:42:36.000 you should do

01:42:36.500 in the next

01:42:36.980 month here

01:42:37.620 like in this

01:42:38.600 window

01:42:38.980 what do they

01:42:39.440 recommend

01:42:39.860 or is it

01:42:40.620 just that you

01:42:41.160 go back

01:42:41.580 into your life

01:42:42.080 and you're

01:42:42.380 so relieved

01:42:43.060 not having

01:42:43.540 these things

01:42:44.020 that finally

01:42:45.000 the new

01:42:46.220 things you've

01:42:46.800 already been

01:42:47.220 trying to do

01:42:47.820 are better

01:42:48.260 able to take

01:42:48.840 hold

01:42:49.220 Ibogaine

01:42:50.940 provides a

01:42:52.000 beginning

01:42:52.380 that beginning

01:42:53.780 requires

01:42:54.700 ongoing

01:42:55.860 long-term

01:42:56.900 engagement

01:42:57.700 with support

01:42:58.640 services

01:42:59.180 that can

01:42:59.840 maximize

01:43:00.380 its potential

01:43:01.420 to allow

01:43:02.040 a person

01:43:02.560 to essentially

01:43:03.400 recreate

01:43:04.380 who they

01:43:04.880 are

01:43:05.240 on the

01:43:06.060 basis

01:43:06.380 of

01:43:07.060 new

01:43:07.780 thoughts

01:43:08.360 behaviors

01:43:09.720 and

01:43:10.320 relationships

01:43:11.300 that can

01:43:12.320 help them

01:43:12.880 redefine

01:43:13.600 their future

01:43:14.180 in a way

01:43:14.660 that is

01:43:15.000 entirely

01:43:15.460 different

01:43:15.900 from their

01:43:16.300 past

01:43:16.720 if we

01:43:17.540 find

01:43:17.860 ourselves

01:43:18.320 prisoner

01:43:18.860 to patterns

01:43:19.500 of thinking

01:43:20.020 just think

01:43:20.500 about it

01:43:20.840 like a ski

01:43:21.420 slope

01:43:21.840 when a ski

01:43:23.700 slope opens

01:43:24.460 people go

01:43:25.000 down the

01:43:25.360 same slope

01:43:26.020 thousands

01:43:26.660 of times

01:43:27.220 over the

01:43:27.580 course

01:43:27.820 of a

01:43:28.100 season

01:43:28.440 that ski 0.93

01:43:30.260 slope

01:43:30.640 becomes

01:43:31.160 almost

01:43:31.780 ice

01:43:33.080 the pathway

01:43:34.960 is frozen

01:43:35.980 in

01:43:36.540 what Ibogaine

01:43:38.500 does is

01:43:39.120 like a big

01:43:39.580 blizzard

01:43:39.940 coming through

01:43:40.640 that dumps 0.97

01:43:41.540 a whole

01:43:42.000 bunch

01:43:42.280 of fresh

01:43:42.740 snow

01:43:43.160 on all

01:43:44.360 of those

01:43:44.820 paths

01:43:45.340 that

01:43:45.580 previously

01:43:46.200 had been

01:43:46.720 entrenched

01:43:47.220 in ice

01:43:47.940 and were

01:43:48.320 unmovable

01:43:48.900 you have

01:43:49.920 an opportunity

01:43:50.440 to create

01:43:51.300 entirely new

01:43:52.320 pathways

01:43:52.860 but if you

01:43:53.920 take somebody

01:43:54.700 so for

01:43:55.440 instance

01:43:55.840 with the

01:43:56.900 generation

01:43:57.400 that I

01:43:57.920 come from

01:43:58.540 I think

01:43:58.940 you might

01:43:59.240 be about

01:43:59.740 a half

01:44:00.020 a step

01:44:00.340 behind me

01:44:00.880 I'm

01:44:01.080 generation

01:44:01.540 x

01:44:01.940 and I'm

01:44:03.300 going to

01:44:03.420 be 50

01:44:03.880 years old

01:44:04.420 in October

01:44:04.980 okay

01:44:05.620 well

01:44:06.160 we are

01:44:06.920 the children

01:44:07.480 of a great

01:44:08.320 social experiment

01:44:09.300 and that

01:44:10.280 social experiment

01:44:11.260 saw

01:44:11.800 the dissolution

01:44:13.280 of families

01:44:14.260 for 50%

01:44:15.660 of us

01:44:16.080 who are

01:44:16.340 alive

01:44:16.720 we've never

01:44:17.680 known

01:44:18.020 anything

01:44:18.740 by way

01:44:19.420 of a

01:44:19.700 familial

01:44:20.180 relationship

01:44:20.900 that we

01:44:22.480 didn't

01:44:23.160 choose

01:44:23.860 to create

01:44:24.680 on our

01:44:25.260 own

01:44:25.600 we had

01:44:26.340 families

01:44:26.740 created

01:44:27.220 around us

01:44:27.960 in the

01:44:28.220 aftermath

01:44:28.580 of divorce

01:44:29.320 some of us

01:44:30.780 have had

01:44:31.140 no families

01:44:31.780 at all

01:44:32.320 and have

01:44:33.020 been allowed

01:44:33.760 to essentially

01:44:34.640 free roam

01:44:35.580 the world

01:44:36.240 and to be

01:44:37.260 raised by

01:44:37.840 its calloused

01:44:38.480 hands

01:44:39.000 that is

01:44:40.040 why we

01:44:40.500 see the

01:44:41.000 symptomatology

01:44:41.900 of disconnection

01:44:42.960 as expressed

01:44:43.680 through the

01:44:44.020 fatal deaths

01:44:44.640 of despair

01:44:45.180 that we've

01:44:45.660 talked about

01:44:46.140 here today

01:44:46.840 with a

01:44:47.940 recognition

01:44:48.380 that these

01:44:49.280 are our

01:44:49.800 generational

01:44:50.380 realities

01:44:51.200 the opportunity

01:44:52.980 before us

01:44:53.860 is likewise

01:44:54.500 a generational

01:44:55.680 opportunity

01:44:56.400 to put a

01:44:57.780 fresh coat

01:44:58.320 of snow

01:44:58.780 across our

01:44:59.440 whole society

01:45:00.320 whereby we

01:45:01.400 get to

01:45:01.980 reform

01:45:02.580 who we

01:45:03.260 are

01:45:03.620 and how

01:45:04.140 we will

01:45:04.440 relate to

01:45:05.020 each other

01:45:05.560 in the

01:45:05.960 aftermath

01:45:06.320 of what

01:45:06.840 has been

01:45:07.340 generational

01:45:08.220 trauma

01:45:08.640 yeah I've

01:45:09.400 walked out

01:45:09.740 of plant

01:45:10.060 medicine

01:45:10.320 ceremonies

01:45:10.700 and been

01:45:10.880 like man

01:45:11.160 this could

01:45:11.500 change the

01:45:11.920 whole world

01:45:12.440 you know

01:45:12.920 this could

01:45:14.560 literally change

01:45:15.180 the whole world

01:45:15.620 because it

01:45:15.960 just brings

01:45:16.400 you back

01:45:16.880 such like

01:45:18.100 to um

01:45:18.840 what you're

01:45:20.280 here for

01:45:20.900 it like

01:45:21.460 just takes

01:45:22.720 all the 1.00

01:45:23.180 bullshit away 0.99

01:45:24.020 when the 1.00

01:45:25.040 opioid epidemic

01:45:25.880 began

01:45:26.320 you had

01:45:27.640 individuals

01:45:28.400 who were

01:45:28.920 going in

01:45:29.600 to have

01:45:30.020 legitimate

01:45:30.520 medical

01:45:30.960 conditions

01:45:31.600 treated

01:45:32.040 who came

01:45:33.220 out on

01:45:33.700 the other

01:45:34.020 side of that

01:45:34.600 treatment

01:45:34.940 as dependent

01:45:36.280 individuals

01:45:36.980 I'll use

01:45:37.380 a story

01:45:37.780 of a

01:45:38.020 young

01:45:38.220 woman 0.99

01:45:38.540 whose

01:45:38.920 name

01:45:39.280 I'm

01:45:39.520 going to

01:45:40.280 use a

01:45:40.960 pseudonym

01:45:41.280 for

01:45:41.700 and I

01:45:42.280 heard about

01:45:42.660 this lady

01:45:43.160 in a

01:45:43.460 town hall

01:45:43.980 I conducted

01:45:44.540 in Kentucky

01:45:45.080 when I was

01:45:45.540 running the

01:45:45.900 commission

01:45:46.260 we wanted

01:45:47.320 to hear

01:45:47.600 from communities

01:45:48.320 about how

01:45:48.780 the money

01:45:49.140 should be

01:45:49.660 spent

01:45:50.040 instead of

01:45:50.700 just making

01:45:51.160 the decision

01:45:51.680 on our

01:45:52.080 own

01:45:52.360 and spending

01:45:53.000 it

01:45:53.300 so in one

01:45:54.520 of these

01:45:54.760 town halls

01:45:55.340 I heard

01:45:55.700 about the

01:45:56.100 story of

01:45:56.540 a young

01:45:56.820 woman by

01:45:57.260 the name

01:45:57.600 of Tamara

01:45:58.080 and this

01:45:58.980 lady who

01:45:59.660 told her

01:46:00.060 story had

01:46:00.700 met her

01:46:01.200 as a

01:46:01.600 volunteer

01:46:01.980 at a

01:46:03.380 clinic

01:46:03.780 for the

01:46:04.480 survivors

01:46:05.220 of childhood

01:46:06.520 sexual abuse

01:46:07.380 she met a 0.77

01:46:08.720 young girl

01:46:09.120 named Tamara 0.99

01:46:09.820 when Tamara

01:46:10.700 was 10

01:46:11.360 Tamara had 0.99

01:46:12.900 been

01:46:13.280 horrifically 0.92

01:46:14.440 sexually abused 0.97

01:46:16.020 by one of her 0.89

01:46:16.680 family members

01:46:17.560 for years

01:46:18.560 she had to

01:46:20.460 undergo a

01:46:21.380 series of

01:46:22.500 reconstructive

01:46:23.260 surgeries

01:46:23.820 because of

01:46:24.700 the physical

01:46:25.220 trauma that

01:46:25.880 this family

01:46:26.380 member had

01:46:26.940 inflicted upon

01:46:27.720 her

01:46:28.060 as she

01:46:29.420 had these

01:46:29.940 surgeries

01:46:30.420 she was

01:46:31.780 given

01:46:32.180 opioids

01:46:33.060 to treat

01:46:34.120 her pain

01:46:34.680 this

01:46:36.000 volunteer

01:46:36.480 lost

01:46:37.340 touch

01:46:37.640 with

01:46:37.860 Tamara

01:46:38.180 after

01:46:38.880 she

01:46:39.140 had

01:46:39.340 come

01:46:39.700 to

01:46:39.900 this

01:46:40.240 clinic

01:46:41.380 over the

01:46:42.340 course of

01:46:42.700 a couple

01:46:43.060 of years

01:46:43.520 so after

01:46:43.920 about age

01:46:44.360 12

01:46:44.740 she went

01:46:45.720 off

01:46:46.120 went back

01:46:47.180 to the

01:46:47.540 family

01:46:47.840 that was

01:46:48.140 going to

01:46:48.400 take

01:46:48.600 proper

01:46:48.940 care

01:46:49.220 of her

01:46:49.600 and she

01:46:49.920 didn't

01:46:50.100 see her

01:46:50.440 again

01:46:50.780 this

01:46:52.420 volunteer

01:46:52.880 several

01:46:53.760 years

01:46:54.120 later

01:46:54.480 was

01:46:55.080 going

01:46:55.420 in

01:46:55.840 to

01:46:56.140 provide

01:46:56.700 yoga

01:46:57.420 therapy

01:46:58.060 to

01:46:58.960 inmates

01:46:59.660 at the

01:47:00.100 Perry

01:47:00.340 County

01:47:00.760 Kentucky

01:47:01.300 County

01:47:02.640 Jail

01:47:03.600 and she

01:47:04.920 said one

01:47:05.320 day she

01:47:05.660 was in

01:47:05.940 there

01:47:06.080 providing

01:47:06.460 yoga

01:47:06.760 therapy

01:47:07.140 and she

01:47:07.440 noticed

01:47:07.740 this young

01:47:08.220 woman 0.99

01:47:08.580 who was

01:47:09.580 kind of

01:47:09.920 standoffish

01:47:10.720 and withdrawn

01:47:11.440 under

01:47:11.760 herself

01:47:12.240 but she

01:47:13.260 had this

01:47:13.900 look of

01:47:14.460 familiarity

01:47:14.860 to her

01:47:15.780 so she

01:47:17.200 walked over

01:47:17.880 and said

01:47:18.920 what's your

01:47:20.080 name

01:47:20.400 you look

01:47:20.920 familiar

01:47:21.260 to me

01:47:21.700 and the

01:47:22.460 young

01:47:22.660 woman 0.99

01:47:22.900 looked at

01:47:23.280 her

01:47:23.440 and she

01:47:23.700 said

01:47:23.880 my name

01:47:24.240 is Tamara

01:47:24.720 and she

01:47:25.660 said I

01:47:26.040 know who

01:47:26.420 you are

01:47:26.860 and she

01:47:28.260 refreshed

01:47:28.700 her

01:47:28.900 memory

01:47:29.240 about the

01:47:30.180 context

01:47:30.620 of their

01:47:30.960 relationship

01:47:31.520 and where

01:47:31.920 they

01:47:32.100 had met

01:47:32.560 and the

01:47:33.960 volunteer

01:47:34.320 said she

01:47:34.920 looked at

01:47:35.260 her and she

01:47:35.560 said how

01:47:36.360 did you

01:47:36.680 end up

01:47:37.040 here

01:47:37.360 because her

01:47:38.360 last reference

01:47:39.000 was this

01:47:39.400 little 12

01:47:40.140 year old

01:47:40.480 girl who

01:47:40.840 she had

01:47:41.120 worked to

01:47:41.540 overcome

01:47:42.020 the trauma

01:47:43.800 of the

01:47:44.020 sexual

01:47:44.300 abuse

01:47:44.680 and she

01:47:46.240 said Tamara 0.97

01:47:46.740 looked up

01:47:47.240 at her

01:47:47.680 and she

01:47:48.760 said well

01:47:49.200 you remember

01:47:49.980 I had to

01:47:50.920 have a

01:47:51.240 series of

01:47:51.740 surgeries

01:47:52.160 and was

01:47:52.480 given

01:47:52.740 opioids

01:47:53.340 and she

01:47:54.880 said because

01:47:55.880 you know

01:47:56.400 while I got

01:47:57.320 past my

01:47:57.820 physical

01:47:58.220 pain

01:47:58.700 I never

01:47:59.900 got past

01:48:00.680 the emotional

01:48:01.720 pain

01:48:02.160 that came

01:48:02.880 with all

01:48:03.360 the memories

01:48:03.900 of what I

01:48:04.380 can recall

01:48:04.860 happened to

01:48:05.340 me and I

01:48:06.340 kept taking

01:48:06.840 the pills

01:48:07.340 because the

01:48:08.960 pills could

01:48:10.180 give me

01:48:10.680 some relief

01:48:11.560 from that

01:48:12.980 unending

01:48:13.620 pain of

01:48:15.140 those memories

01:48:15.740 and she

01:48:16.280 said I

01:48:16.560 got busted

01:48:17.080 so a

01:48:18.320 young woman

01:48:18.860 who was

01:48:20.340 traumatized at

01:48:21.300 the age of

01:48:21.880 10 was

01:48:23.380 treated for

01:48:23.980 legitimate medical

01:48:25.020 injury with

01:48:25.720 opioids

01:48:26.320 found herself

01:48:27.980 met by a

01:48:29.180 system that

01:48:30.140 imprisoned her

01:48:31.220 for how she

01:48:32.040 had to

01:48:32.500 continue to

01:48:33.220 treat her

01:48:33.660 pain

01:48:34.060 because there

01:48:35.380 was no

01:48:36.040 other effective

01:48:37.120 choice for

01:48:37.980 her to 1.00

01:48:38.660 kill the 0.99

01:48:39.640 affliction that 1.00

01:48:40.520 was on her

01:48:41.380 inside

01:48:42.000 there are

01:48:43.200 millions of

01:48:44.120 people locked

01:48:45.200 up behind bars

01:48:46.180 in this country

01:48:46.900 who have had

01:48:47.600 similar

01:48:48.160 experiences

01:48:49.000 the fact that

01:48:50.560 trauma and

01:48:51.640 addiction have

01:48:52.500 been met with 0.99

01:48:54.060 the butt

01:48:54.740 end of a 0.81

01:48:55.640 gun in

01:48:56.420 some jail

01:48:57.420 is a

01:48:58.720 criminal result

01:49:00.040 for a society

01:49:01.000 that is dying

01:49:01.780 for restoration

01:49:02.600 and what we're

01:49:03.820 here to talk

01:49:04.380 about and what

01:49:04.880 we have been

01:49:05.480 talking about

01:49:06.120 is an

01:49:06.680 opportunity to

01:49:07.500 pursue that

01:49:08.040 restoration

01:49:08.480 and I thank

01:49:10.260 God that

01:49:11.220 however I have

01:49:12.020 come to sit

01:49:12.540 in this seat

01:49:13.140 this opportunity

01:49:13.880 is here

01:49:14.560 it is now

01:49:15.320 and I aim

01:49:15.940 to do

01:49:16.240 everything I

01:49:16.960 can to

01:49:17.420 serve it

01:49:17.860 as best I

01:49:18.760 can

01:49:19.020 amen

01:49:19.540 with that

01:49:21.160 said

01:49:21.480 how do

01:49:22.040 we best

01:49:22.540 move forward

01:49:23.100 from here

01:49:23.540 right

01:49:23.820 how do

01:49:24.320 we best

01:49:24.780 move forward

01:49:25.420 to

01:49:25.800 do you

01:49:27.080 feel like

01:49:27.640 like I

01:49:27.900 mean

01:49:28.080 Texas

01:49:28.700 is granted

01:49:29.260 50 million

01:49:30.020 dollars

01:49:30.380 towards

01:49:30.800 but will

01:49:32.380 most of

01:49:32.700 that go

01:49:32.940 towards

01:49:33.260 lobbying

01:49:33.760 what will

01:49:34.120 go that

01:49:34.500 what will

01:49:34.860 that go

01:49:35.260 towards

01:49:35.600 is there

01:49:35.880 enough

01:49:36.340 science

01:49:37.080 behind it

01:49:37.740 now

01:49:38.000 for

01:49:38.300 or is

01:49:39.420 it

01:49:39.580 like how

01:49:40.120 are you

01:49:40.300 going to

01:49:40.500 defeat

01:49:40.840 big

01:49:41.100 farmer

01:49:41.460 like there's

01:49:41.820 obviously

01:49:42.180 these

01:49:42.500 giants

01:49:43.300 that you're

01:49:43.600 up against

01:49:44.100 you know

01:49:44.460 because it's

01:49:45.100 true

01:49:45.300 it's like

01:49:45.740 you know

01:49:46.600 they

01:49:47.200 as long as

01:49:48.400 we have a

01:49:48.720 problem

01:49:49.120 then they

01:49:49.720 have a

01:49:49.960 medication

01:49:50.480 if you

01:49:51.260 can't

01:49:51.520 figure

01:49:51.700 that out

01:49:52.200 then you

01:49:52.500 you know

01:49:53.260 a lot

01:49:53.800 of times

01:49:54.100 those people

01:49:54.940 still the

01:49:55.500 trauma's not

01:49:56.040 healed

01:49:56.280 they end up

01:49:56.820 in the

01:49:57.020 correctional

01:49:57.520 system

01:49:57.800 it's all

01:49:58.540 a big

01:49:58.860 it's all

01:49:59.600 just a

01:50:00.000 big circle

01:50:00.760 of human

01:50:01.860 just being

01:50:02.500 like

01:50:02.860 it's just

01:50:03.780 this profit

01:50:04.440 sharing

01:50:04.920 between these

01:50:05.520 kind of

01:50:05.820 dark artist

01:50:06.480 entities

01:50:07.000 and I

01:50:08.380 agree with

01:50:09.100 you it

01:50:09.280 feels like

01:50:09.560 we have a

01:50:09.880 pathway now

01:50:10.580 to solution

01:50:11.260 here

01:50:11.640 to actually

01:50:12.540 have a

01:50:12.840 chance to

01:50:13.180 get back

01:50:13.520 to our

01:50:13.820 roots of

01:50:14.360 humanity

01:50:14.900 and being

01:50:15.680 connected to

01:50:16.280 a divine

01:50:16.700 power

01:50:17.140 and I

01:50:18.500 believe that

01:50:19.020 it's through

01:50:19.480 medications

01:50:20.320 like this

01:50:20.980 how do

01:50:21.700 you get

01:50:22.140 from this

01:50:22.920 judgment

01:50:23.380 that's

01:50:23.700 happened

01:50:23.940 in Texas

01:50:24.400 how do

01:50:25.760 you move

01:50:26.060 forward

01:50:26.340 from here

01:50:26.680 how do

01:50:26.940 we best

01:50:27.420 move forward

01:50:27.880 from here

01:50:28.220 do you feel

01:50:28.680 like

01:50:28.980 I'm gonna

01:50:30.360 give you

01:50:30.700 the answer

01:50:31.240 okay

01:50:31.660 but before

01:50:32.040 I give

01:50:32.420 you the

01:50:32.660 answer

01:50:32.960 I'm gonna

01:50:33.240 ask you

01:50:33.680 a question

01:50:34.120 okay

01:50:34.420 if someone

01:50:35.800 had said

01:50:36.300 to you

01:50:36.760 just

01:50:37.280 a year

01:50:38.280 ago

01:50:38.600 the state

01:50:39.760 of Texas

01:50:40.220 is gonna

01:50:40.640 pass the

01:50:41.220 largest

01:50:41.580 single

01:50:42.080 public

01:50:42.580 investment

01:50:43.160 ever

01:50:43.680 to advance

01:50:45.120 psychedelic

01:50:45.960 research

01:50:46.400 and medical

01:50:46.840 development

01:50:47.320 what would

01:50:47.760 you have

01:50:47.980 said

01:50:48.220 I would

01:50:50.360 have said

01:50:50.580 I could

01:50:50.860 see it

01:50:51.420 really

01:50:52.100 yeah

01:50:52.420 now that

01:50:52.820 Joe Rogan

01:50:53.280 is down

01:50:53.600 there

01:50:53.680 I could 0.99

01:50:53.900 see shit 0.99

01:50:54.260 like that 1.00

01:50:54.580 starting to

01:50:54.940 before Joe Rogan

01:50:56.020 take yourself

01:50:56.620 before Joe Rogan

01:50:57.900 before all

01:50:58.460 this became

01:50:58.980 a thing

01:50:59.280 if somebody

01:50:59.660 had said

01:51:00.060 the state

01:51:00.680 of Texas

01:51:01.100 is gonna

01:51:01.500 give the

01:51:01.960 biggest

01:51:02.240 bunch

01:51:02.540 of money

01:51:02.880 that the

01:51:03.280 government

01:51:03.620 has ever

01:51:04.080 given

01:51:04.380 for psychedelic

01:51:05.220 research

01:51:05.720 what would

01:51:06.140 you have

01:51:06.380 thought

01:51:06.580 I would

01:51:07.680 have

01:51:07.800 honestly

01:51:08.160 thought

01:51:08.620 I would

01:51:09.240 have

01:51:09.360 thought

01:51:09.540 that it

01:51:09.720 was

01:51:09.840 possible

01:51:10.340 I think

01:51:10.840 I mean

01:51:11.120 I know

01:51:11.440 you have

01:51:11.760 a lot

01:51:12.140 of people

01:51:12.460 that stick

01:51:12.920 to their

01:51:13.260 guns

01:51:13.620 down there

01:51:14.020 in Texas

01:51:14.460 but I

01:51:15.020 believe

01:51:15.300 that also

01:51:15.800 we've

01:51:16.060 gotten

01:51:16.260 to a

01:51:16.520 place

01:51:16.760 where

01:51:16.900 people

01:51:17.180 that

01:51:17.420 normally

01:51:18.000 would

01:51:18.180 stick

01:51:18.440 to their

01:51:18.740 guns

01:51:19.080 that

01:51:19.260 people

01:51:20.160 are

01:51:20.360 desperate

01:51:20.880 for

01:51:21.260 something

01:51:21.720 new

01:51:22.120 right

01:51:22.440 and

01:51:22.880 Texas

01:51:23.200 I feel

01:51:23.540 like

01:51:23.680 has

01:51:23.800 always

01:51:24.100 been

01:51:24.340 a bit

01:51:24.620 of a

01:51:24.860 pioneer

01:51:25.220 state

01:51:25.740 even though

01:51:26.380 it's a lot

01:51:26.680 of tradition

01:51:27.240 in it

01:51:27.720 it's been

01:51:28.380 a proud

01:51:28.820 state

01:51:29.100 of doing

01:51:29.400 things

01:51:29.660 on its

01:51:29.940 own

01:51:30.360 and so

01:51:32.280 here's

01:51:32.940 what I

01:51:33.100 would

01:51:33.220 say

01:51:33.460 I don't

01:51:33.880 know

01:51:34.260 if I

01:51:34.560 would

01:51:34.700 think

01:51:34.920 that

01:51:35.080 they

01:51:35.220 would

01:51:35.540 but I

01:51:36.160 would

01:51:36.340 hope

01:51:36.720 that

01:51:36.920 they

01:51:37.020 would

01:51:37.160 channel

01:51:37.440 that

01:51:37.640 pioneer

01:51:37.940 spirit

01:51:38.320 into

01:51:38.520 something

01:51:38.820 I

01:51:39.380 could

01:51:39.560 see

01:51:39.860 that

01:51:40.040 enough

01:51:40.340 of the

01:51:40.560 story

01:51:40.780 would

01:51:40.940 have

01:51:41.040 gotten

01:51:41.260 around

01:51:41.540 where

01:51:41.700 they

01:51:41.820 have

01:51:41.900 been

01:51:42.020 like

01:51:42.220 this

01:51:42.740 is

01:51:42.900 something

01:51:43.140 that

01:51:43.400 we

01:51:43.560 could

01:51:43.720 do

01:51:44.020 what

01:51:45.540 Texas

01:51:46.020 has

01:51:46.320 done

01:51:46.740 in my

01:51:47.820 opinion

01:51:48.260 what

01:51:49.620 we

01:51:49.820 have

01:51:49.980 done

01:51:50.200 in

01:51:50.400 Texas

01:51:50.720 is

01:51:51.240 make

01:51:51.620 the

01:51:52.220 improbable

01:51:53.220 inevitable

01:51:54.240 however

01:51:55.780 inevitability

01:51:56.980 requires

01:51:57.620 work

01:51:58.100 Texas

01:51:59.260 is

01:52:00.040 the

01:52:00.360 beginning

01:52:00.800 of

01:52:01.500 what

01:52:01.800 Governor

01:52:02.220 Perry

01:52:02.560 and I

01:52:03.120 hope

01:52:03.760 to

01:52:03.980 build

01:52:04.340 by way

01:52:05.120 of

01:52:05.880 the

01:52:06.160 unstoppable

01:52:07.140 external

01:52:08.020 force

01:52:08.660 of a

01:52:09.380 national

01:52:09.780 movement

01:52:10.300 whereby

01:52:10.740 Texas

01:52:11.460 has

01:52:12.320 planted

01:52:12.700 its

01:52:13.020 flag

01:52:13.480 to

01:52:13.720 begin

01:52:13.940 the

01:52:14.120 medical

01:52:14.440 development

01:52:14.940 of

01:52:15.160 Ibogaine

01:52:15.620 and over

01:52:16.000 the

01:52:16.200 next

01:52:16.580 18

01:52:17.820 to

01:52:18.040 24

01:52:18.500 months

01:52:19.060 we'll

01:52:19.540 see

01:52:19.880 anywhere

01:52:20.380 from

01:52:20.820 6

01:52:21.240 to

01:52:21.380 12

01:52:21.740 additional

01:52:22.300 states

01:52:22.760 emerge

01:52:23.180 to

01:52:23.380 partner

01:52:23.720 with

01:52:24.020 it

01:52:24.280 to

01:52:25.000 make

01:52:25.440 the

01:52:25.840 medicalization

01:52:26.740 of

01:52:27.020 Ibogaine

01:52:27.520 within

01:52:27.760 the

01:52:28.040 United

01:52:28.440 States

01:52:29.020 the

01:52:29.460 Manhattan

01:52:29.900 project

01:52:30.420 of

01:52:30.880 our

01:52:31.060 time

01:52:31.460 Governor

01:52:32.240 Perry

01:52:32.680 has

01:52:32.980 founded

01:52:33.360 an

01:52:33.600 organization

01:52:34.180 called

01:52:34.660 Americans

01:52:35.260 for

01:52:35.600 Ibogaine

01:52:36.180 dot

01:52:36.480 org

01:52:36.900 and

01:52:37.280 it

01:52:37.420 is

01:52:37.600 my

01:52:37.820 honor

01:52:38.140 to

01:52:38.360 be

01:52:38.480 the

01:52:38.660 first

01:52:39.380 chief

01:52:39.840 executive

01:52:41.460 organization

01:52:42.020 he's

01:52:42.860 the

01:52:43.000 chairman

01:52:43.260 of

01:52:43.500 the

01:52:43.620 board

01:52:43.960 and

01:52:44.820 he

01:52:45.080 and

01:52:45.280 I

01:52:45.620 are

01:52:45.840 going

01:52:46.080 to

01:52:46.280 spend

01:52:46.740 every

01:52:47.200 last

01:52:47.560 measure

01:52:48.000 of

01:52:48.320 everything

01:52:48.840 that

01:52:49.200 we

01:52:49.480 are

01:52:49.940 pouring

01:52:50.620 ourselves

01:52:51.300 into

01:52:51.800 making

01:52:52.220 Ibogaine

01:52:53.000 a

01:52:53.240 medical

01:52:53.680 reality

01:52:54.200 within

01:52:54.500 the

01:52:54.740 United

01:52:55.120 States

01:52:55.660 as

01:52:56.380 quickly

01:52:56.800 and

01:52:57.180 safely

01:52:57.520 as

01:52:57.920 we

01:52:58.160 possibly

01:52:58.680 can

01:52:59.100 amen

01:52:59.600 brother

01:53:00.100 you think

01:53:00.680 you can

01:53:00.940 get it

01:53:01.240 done

01:53:01.480 I

01:53:02.500 think

01:53:02.980 that

01:53:03.340 Governor

01:53:03.760 Perry

01:53:04.120 and I

01:53:04.600 exist

01:53:05.240 to

01:53:06.000 make

01:53:06.400 the

01:53:06.740 improbable

01:53:07.440 inevitable

01:53:08.160 and

01:53:09.060 as

01:53:09.320 long

01:53:09.740 as

01:53:10.060 we

01:53:10.340 have

01:53:10.960 the

01:53:11.780 good

01:53:12.180 hands

01:53:12.820 and

01:53:13.080 hearts

01:53:13.480 of

01:53:13.680 people

01:53:13.980 like

01:53:14.360 you

01:53:14.680 and

01:53:14.960 those

01:53:15.400 who

01:53:15.600 follow

01:53:16.000 you

01:53:16.380 engaged

01:53:17.140 in

01:53:17.340 this

01:53:17.560 mission

01:53:17.920 with

01:53:18.240 us

01:53:18.580 using

01:53:19.020 their

01:53:19.340 voices

01:53:19.800 using

01:53:20.360 their

01:53:20.640 network

01:53:21.080 using

01:53:21.460 their

01:53:21.720 social

01:53:22.080 media

01:53:22.500 to

01:53:23.400 make

01:53:23.780 the

01:53:24.020 demand

01:53:24.560 that

01:53:25.060 a

01:53:25.220 federal

01:53:25.480 system

01:53:25.960 that

01:53:26.160 has

01:53:26.320 been

01:53:26.540 corrupted

01:53:27.040 for

01:53:27.360 at

01:53:27.580 least

01:53:27.840 30

01:53:28.220 years

01:53:28.700 begin

01:53:29.140 to

01:53:29.360 reorient

01:53:29.920 itself

01:53:30.420 toward

01:53:30.840 basic

01:53:31.640 humanity

01:53:32.300 and

01:53:33.100 to

01:53:33.220 the

01:53:33.420 restoration

01:53:33.860 of

01:53:34.300 our

01:53:34.480 society

01:53:35.040 so

01:53:35.520 that

01:53:35.680 people

01:53:35.960 with

01:53:36.200 trauma

01:53:36.540 and

01:53:36.760 addiction

01:53:37.100 can

01:53:37.400 get

01:53:37.620 help

01:53:37.900 that

01:53:38.060 can

01:53:38.220 be

01:53:38.420 transformative

01:53:39.040 as a

01:53:39.760 prelude

01:53:40.360 to

01:53:41.160 transforming

01:53:41.760 our

01:53:42.020 broader

01:53:42.300 society

01:53:42.980 the

01:53:43.600 time

01:53:44.100 is

01:53:44.620 now

01:53:45.140 I

01:53:45.360 agree

01:53:45.600 we've

01:53:46.120 got

01:53:46.320 the

01:53:46.520 need

01:53:46.940 we've

01:53:47.400 got

01:53:47.560 the

01:53:47.760 opportunity

01:53:48.320 and

01:53:48.840 we've

01:53:49.080 got

01:53:49.280 the

01:53:49.460 answer

01:53:49.820 and

01:53:50.160 now

01:53:50.320 we

01:53:50.460 just

01:53:50.620 got

01:53:50.800 to

01:53:50.900 get

01:53:51.060 on

01:53:51.240 it

01:53:51.440 yeah

01:53:51.820 yeah

01:53:51.840 yeah

01:53:53.060 yeah

01:53:53.220 I mean

01:53:53.520 it's

01:53:53.680 up

01:53:53.780 you're

01:53:53.920 going

01:53:54.000 to

01:53:54.040 be

01:53:54.120 up

01:53:54.240 against

01:53:54.460 the

01:53:54.600 dark

01:53:54.840 arch

01:53:55.140 you know

01:53:55.480 they're

01:53:55.740 going

01:53:55.820 to

01:53:55.920 battle

01:53:56.120 against

01:53:56.400 you

01:53:56.520 but

01:53:56.640 this

01:53:56.860 is

01:53:56.980 how

01:53:57.120 we

01:53:57.260 meet

01:53:57.500 up

01:53:57.680 and

01:53:57.800 this

01:53:57.980 is

01:53:58.100 how

01:53:58.220 we

01:53:58.360 fight 0.53

01:53:58.680 you

01:53:58.900 know

01:53:59.100 I

01:53:59.860 think

01:54:00.060 that

01:54:00.260 we

01:54:00.460 all

01:54:00.720 we

01:54:00.860 can

01:54:00.980 do

01:54:01.120 is

01:54:01.240 tell

01:54:01.540 the

01:54:01.720 truth

01:54:02.020 you

01:54:02.200 know

01:54:02.420 yeah

01:54:03.540 my

01:54:03.760 experience

01:54:04.160 with

01:54:04.320 plant

01:54:04.520 medicine

01:54:04.840 has

01:54:05.040 been

01:54:05.180 that

01:54:05.300 it's

01:54:05.460 nothing

01:54:05.780 like

01:54:06.220 taking

01:54:06.800 drugs

01:54:07.340 it's

01:54:07.580 like

01:54:07.720 taking

01:54:08.020 a

01:54:08.500 chance

01:54:09.060 it's

01:54:09.700 like

01:54:09.840 taking

01:54:10.080 an

01:54:10.240 opportunity

01:54:10.720 to

01:54:11.380 give

01:54:11.580 yourself

01:54:11.920 something

01:54:12.240 new

01:54:12.620 you

01:54:12.880 know

01:54:13.040 that

01:54:13.220 has

01:54:13.380 certainly

01:54:13.640 been

01:54:13.840 my

01:54:14.000 own

01:54:14.120 experience

01:54:14.740 first of

01:54:16.380 all

01:54:16.480 where

01:54:16.760 can

01:54:16.960 people

01:54:17.180 go

01:54:17.380 right

01:54:17.620 now

01:54:17.880 if

01:54:18.100 they

01:54:18.280 need

01:54:18.600 help

01:54:18.900 if

01:54:19.060 someone

01:54:19.340 in

01:54:19.560 their

01:54:19.700 family

01:54:20.020 needs

01:54:20.380 help

01:54:20.580 if

01:54:20.720 they

01:54:20.860 want

01:54:21.140 to

01:54:21.300 try

01:54:21.600 Ibogaine

01:54:22.180 because

01:54:22.880 that

01:54:23.140 is

01:54:23.280 also

01:54:23.600 going

01:54:23.780 to

01:54:23.880 create

01:54:24.120 the

01:54:24.300 message

01:54:24.620 right

01:54:24.880 is

01:54:25.080 people

01:54:25.340 being

01:54:25.540 able

01:54:25.680 to

01:54:25.800 get

01:54:26.280 this

01:54:26.520 help

01:54:26.800 where

01:54:27.440 can

01:54:27.640 people

01:54:27.860 go

01:54:28.080 to

01:54:28.260 get

01:54:28.500 the

01:54:28.680 help

01:54:28.900 right

01:54:29.100 now

01:54:29.500 here's

01:54:30.200 why

01:54:30.380 I'm

01:54:30.660 going

01:54:30.740 to

01:54:30.820 have

01:54:31.000 to

01:54:31.120 answer

01:54:31.360 this

01:54:31.660 in

01:54:31.800 the

01:54:31.920 negative

01:54:32.240 because

01:54:32.700 there

01:54:33.040 are

01:54:33.180 a lot

01:54:33.440 of

01:54:33.540 options

01:54:33.920 out

01:54:34.180 there

01:54:34.380 and

01:54:34.480 I've

01:54:34.620 got

01:54:34.760 to

01:54:34.840 be

01:54:34.980 careful

01:54:35.280 because

01:54:35.620 I

01:54:35.780 don't

01:54:35.940 want

01:54:36.100 to

01:54:36.220 misdirect

01:54:36.700 somebody

01:54:37.160 to

01:54:37.400 a

01:54:37.560 place

01:54:37.820 where

01:54:38.020 they

01:54:38.200 may

01:54:38.400 or

01:54:38.520 may

01:54:38.640 not

01:54:38.840 have

01:54:39.220 experiences

01:54:39.820 I

01:54:59.500 say

01:54:59.740 that

01:54:59.880 my

01:55:00.060 wife

01:55:00.360 and

01:55:00.500 I

01:55:00.660 have

01:55:00.780 been

01:55:00.920 to

01:55:01.040 both

01:55:01.260 places

01:55:01.720 and

01:55:02.680 each

01:55:03.660 of

01:55:03.840 them

01:55:04.140 offer

01:55:04.640 their

01:55:04.860 own

01:55:05.120 experiences

01:55:05.660 your

01:55:06.000 audience

01:55:06.380 can

01:55:06.580 do

01:55:06.720 their

01:55:06.880 own

01:55:07.080 personal

01:55:07.440 research

01:55:08.000 they

01:55:08.200 can

01:55:08.380 call

01:55:08.880 and

01:55:09.260 see

01:55:09.880 what

01:55:10.100 works

01:55:10.400 best

01:55:10.680 for

01:55:10.860 them

01:55:11.140 in

01:55:12.260 terms

01:55:12.720 of

01:55:13.220 what

01:55:13.460 we

01:55:13.640 need

01:55:13.980 by

01:55:14.220 way

01:55:14.680 of

01:55:15.180 the

01:55:16.200 movement

01:55:16.640 within

01:55:17.500 the

01:55:17.880 society

01:55:18.400 yeah

01:55:18.900 how can

01:55:19.260 we

01:55:19.420 best

01:55:19.700 help

01:55:19.920 how

01:55:20.100 can

01:55:20.280 listeners

01:55:20.780 of

01:55:21.040 this

01:55:21.220 episode

01:55:21.660 best

01:55:21.960 help

01:55:22.220 people

01:55:22.760 that

01:55:22.940 feel

01:55:23.160 inspired

01:55:23.540 people

01:55:23.800 that

01:55:23.940 have

01:55:24.020 had

01:55:24.160 a

01:55:24.280 family

01:55:24.460 member

01:55:24.720 that

01:55:24.880 has

01:55:25.000 been

01:55:25.220 positively

01:55:26.400 affected

01:55:27.140 by

01:55:27.380 psychedelic

01:55:28.000 medicine

01:55:28.360 to

01:55:28.580 overcome

01:55:28.860 things

01:55:29.300 how

01:55:29.940 can

01:55:30.140 we

01:55:30.320 help

01:55:30.620 please

01:55:31.340 go

01:55:31.660 to

01:55:31.920 americans

01:55:32.700 for

01:55:32.980 ibogaine

01:55:33.680 dot

01:55:34.140 org

01:55:34.560 and

01:55:34.920 it

01:55:35.020 is

01:55:35.200 there

01:55:35.540 that

01:55:35.920 your

01:55:36.080 audience

01:55:36.520 member

01:55:36.900 can

01:55:37.180 follow

01:55:37.580 the

01:55:38.060 audience

01:55:38.480 that

01:55:38.800 we

01:55:38.940 are

01:55:39.100 undertaking

01:55:39.700 they

01:55:40.540 can

01:55:40.800 sign

01:55:41.080 up

01:55:41.260 to

01:55:41.420 receive

01:55:41.900 regular

01:55:42.400 updates

01:55:43.060 they

01:55:43.300 can

01:55:43.540 sign

01:55:44.080 up

01:55:44.280 for

01:55:44.440 social

01:55:44.780 media

01:55:45.160 they

01:55:45.660 can

01:55:45.860 become

01:55:46.400 not

01:55:46.880 just

01:55:47.320 an

01:55:47.700 observer

01:55:48.160 but

01:55:48.820 an

01:55:49.020 active

01:55:49.440 participant

01:55:50.080 in

01:55:50.420 helping

01:55:50.720 us

01:55:51.080 advance

01:55:51.520 this

01:55:51.800 mission

01:55:52.140 to

01:55:52.360 create

01:55:52.800 the

01:55:53.260 unstoppable

01:55:53.880 external

01:55:54.580 force

01:55:55.040 that's

01:55:55.300 going

01:55:55.440 to

01:55:55.560 break

01:55:55.800 down

01:55:56.060 the

01:55:56.240 walls

01:55:56.560 of

01:55:56.700 the

01:55:56.820 federal

01:55:57.020 government

01:55:57.420 to

01:55:57.900 make

01:55:58.120 this

01:55:58.320 society

01:55:58.820 have

01:55:59.180 what

01:55:59.380 it

01:55:59.540 should

01:55:59.700 have

01:56:00.020 for

01:56:00.420 restoration

01:56:01.000 in

01:56:01.520 addition

01:56:03.680 to

01:56:03.900 that

01:56:04.180 I

01:56:04.780 would

01:56:04.920 just

01:56:05.120 encourage

01:56:05.560 individuals

01:56:06.200 to be

01:56:06.640 individual

01:56:07.300 pollinators

01:56:07.940 of our

01:56:08.320 culture

01:56:08.700 get the

01:56:09.240 word

01:56:09.440 out

01:56:09.760 take

01:56:10.340 what

01:56:10.540 you

01:56:10.680 see

01:56:10.880 on

01:56:11.040 americans

01:56:11.560 for

01:56:11.740 ibogaine

01:56:12.200 org

01:56:12.520 and

01:56:12.720 blast 0.98

01:56:13.100 it 0.56

01:56:13.260 through

01:56:13.400 your

01:56:13.600 social

01:56:13.880 media

01:56:14.140 networks

01:56:14.640 tell

01:56:14.840 your

01:56:15.020 friends

01:56:15.340 family

01:56:15.740 and

01:56:15.960 neighbors

01:56:16.300 because

01:56:16.620 just

01:56:21.800 came out

01:56:22.800 as

01:56:23.060 harbingers

01:56:23.660 of

01:56:23.860 the

01:56:23.980 disaster

01:56:24.480 to

01:56:24.700 come

01:56:25.100 a

01:56:25.680 disaster

01:56:26.080 that

01:56:26.300 has

01:56:26.440 claimed

01:56:26.700 almost

01:56:27.200 the

01:56:27.400 lives

01:56:27.680 of

01:56:27.820 a

01:56:27.940 million

01:56:28.200 Americans

01:56:29.580 since

01:56:30.420 Oxycontin

01:56:30.980 was approved

01:56:31.520 in

01:56:31.840 December

01:56:32.300 of

01:56:32.700 1996

01:56:33.440 we

01:56:34.900 have

01:56:35.200 the

01:56:35.380 opportunity

01:56:35.840 to do

01:56:36.280 the

01:56:36.460 exact

01:56:36.880 opposite

01:56:37.380 by

01:56:38.280 creating

01:56:38.940 a

01:56:39.480 genuine

01:56:39.900 emancipation

01:56:41.140 medication

01:56:42.000 that can

01:56:43.020 take

01:56:43.340 and

01:56:43.540 reverse

01:56:43.900 the

01:56:44.160 process

01:56:44.740 of

01:56:44.940 subjugation

01:56:45.740 to

01:56:46.200 one

01:56:46.440 of

01:56:46.580 restoration

01:56:47.140 that

01:56:48.160 is

01:56:48.300 the

01:56:48.420 opportunity

01:56:48.840 that

01:56:49.180 is

01:56:49.340 before

01:56:49.680 us

01:56:50.080 and

01:56:50.720 that

01:56:50.900 is

01:56:51.060 one

01:56:51.320 if

01:56:51.460 we

01:56:51.580 will

01:56:51.720 be

01:56:51.880 good

01:56:52.140 and

01:56:52.320 faithful

01:56:52.560 servants

01:56:52.980 we

01:56:53.200 can

01:56:53.340 see

01:56:53.540 come

01:56:53.760 to

01:56:53.900 pass

01:56:54.160 within

01:56:54.420 our

01:56:54.580 life

01:56:54.900 amen

01:56:55.460 god

01:56:56.200 I'm

01:56:56.440 in

01:56:56.780 I

01:56:57.200 need

01:56:58.320 help

01:56:58.580 I

01:56:58.740 think

01:56:58.880 I

01:56:59.020 need

01:56:59.180 to

01:56:59.280 go

01:56:59.460 sometime

01:56:59.920 to

01:57:00.080 get

01:57:00.260 a

01:57:00.380 treatment

01:57:00.680 man

01:57:01.100 well

01:57:02.000 if

01:57:02.760 a

01:57:04.180 person

01:57:04.500 does

01:57:04.760 not

01:57:04.980 need

01:57:05.160 to

01:57:05.300 come

01:57:05.480 to

01:57:05.620 the

01:57:05.760 table

01:57:06.080 with

01:57:06.780 a

01:57:06.940 substance

01:57:07.280 problem

01:57:07.800 or

01:57:08.140 even

01:57:08.360 with

01:57:08.720 a

01:57:09.440 wartime

01:57:09.860 trauma

01:57:10.200 problem

01:57:10.700 every

01:57:11.600 single

01:57:12.000 person

01:57:12.400 in

01:57:12.600 life

01:57:13.020 has

01:57:13.500 a

01:57:13.760 problem

01:57:14.200 and

01:57:14.980 even

01:57:15.160 if

01:57:15.320 that

01:57:15.480 problem

01:57:15.800 doesn't

01:57:16.180 debilitate

01:57:16.660 you

01:57:17.060 even

01:57:17.420 if

01:57:17.580 you

01:57:17.680 are

01:57:17.760 a

01:57:17.880 highly

01:57:18.120 successful

01:57:18.700 individual

01:57:19.420 the

01:57:20.200 Ibogaine

01:57:20.680 experience

01:57:21.220 is

01:57:21.420 one

01:57:21.660 that

01:57:21.840 has

01:57:22.180 the

01:57:22.360 capacity

01:57:22.900 to

01:57:23.260 optimize

01:57:23.660 the

01:57:24.060 human

01:57:24.320 experience

01:57:24.920 if

01:57:25.160 it

01:57:25.300 is

01:57:25.420 approached

01:57:25.800 with

01:57:26.060 reverence

01:57:26.640 and

01:57:27.340 if

01:57:27.500 it

01:57:27.620 is

01:57:27.780 properly

01:57:28.180 supported

01:57:28.720 as

01:57:29.380 the

01:57:29.560 beginning

01:57:29.920 that

01:57:30.180 it

01:57:30.300 is

01:57:30.600 rather

01:57:30.920 than

01:57:31.100 a

01:57:31.240 destination

01:57:31.820 I

01:57:33.200 saw

01:57:33.700 and

01:57:34.120 this

01:57:34.960 will

01:57:35.100 be

01:57:35.160 the

01:57:35.280 last

01:57:35.500 thing

01:57:35.760 that

01:57:35.900 I

01:57:36.100 would

01:57:36.220 have

01:57:36.440 to

01:57:36.560 offer

01:57:36.800 you

01:57:37.000 independently

01:57:37.580 I

01:57:38.080 want

01:57:38.580 to

01:57:38.680 make

01:57:38.860 sure

01:57:39.060 that

01:57:39.220 I

01:57:39.360 get

01:57:39.520 it

01:57:39.640 out

01:57:39.840 there

01:57:40.080 I

01:57:47.060 a

01:57:47.220 community

01:57:47.680 center

01:57:48.080 where

01:57:48.320 there

01:57:48.460 was

01:57:48.580 a

01:57:48.740 fatherhood

01:57:49.160 program

01:57:49.700 led

01:57:50.300 by

01:57:50.500 a

01:57:50.660 gentleman

01:57:50.860 named

01:57:51.240 David

01:57:51.520 Cozart

01:57:52.000 David

01:57:52.820 Cozart

01:57:53.440 is

01:57:53.860 an

01:57:54.060 associate

01:57:54.480 minister

01:57:55.060 at

01:57:55.460 Lexington

01:57:55.900 Kentucky's

01:57:56.640 second

01:57:57.200 largest

01:57:57.820 black

01:57:58.500 Baptist 0.51

01:57:58.880 church

01:57:59.240 called

01:57:59.620 Bracktown

01:58:00.300 Baptist

01:58:00.820 David

01:58:01.480 Cozart

01:58:01.960 David

01:58:02.340 Cozart

01:58:02.880 and he

01:58:03.660 leads

01:58:03.960 what's

01:58:04.200 called

01:58:04.400 the

01:58:04.560 Commonwealth

01:58:04.940 Center

01:58:05.380 for

01:58:05.640 Fathers

01:58:06.000 and

01:58:06.260 Families

01:58:06.680 I

01:58:07.600 first

01:58:07.900 met

01:58:08.160 David

01:58:08.480 in

01:58:08.680 2018

01:58:09.240 and I

01:58:10.340 met

01:58:10.520 him

01:58:10.640 at

01:58:10.800 this

01:58:11.000 community

01:58:11.380 center

01:58:11.780 and he

01:58:12.120 was

01:58:12.260 taking

01:58:12.500 me

01:58:12.680 on

01:58:12.820 a

01:58:12.960 tour

01:58:17.060 and

01:58:18.140 within

01:58:19.320 the

01:58:19.680 context

01:58:20.260 of

01:58:20.500 that

01:58:20.680 tour

01:58:21.020 I

01:58:21.880 saw

01:58:22.060 this

01:58:22.260 Bible

01:58:22.560 verse

01:58:23.040 and

01:58:24.640 it

01:58:25.500 struck

01:58:25.860 me

01:58:26.080 like

01:58:26.280 a

01:58:26.420 boat

01:58:26.600 of

01:58:26.720 lightning

01:58:26.960 when

01:58:27.220 I

01:58:27.360 read

01:58:27.540 it

01:58:27.780 and

01:58:28.700 it

01:58:28.860 stayed

01:58:29.120 in

01:58:29.260 my

01:58:29.440 mind

01:58:29.840 from

01:58:30.100 2018

01:58:30.680 almost

01:58:31.680 like

01:58:32.360 an

01:58:34.000 echo

01:58:34.420 that

01:58:34.940 just

01:58:35.220 would

01:58:35.480 not

01:58:35.720 go

01:58:35.920 away

01:58:36.340 and

01:58:37.760 as

01:58:38.800 this

01:58:39.200 mission

01:58:40.040 has

01:58:40.420 appeared

01:58:40.860 around

01:58:41.600 Ibogaine

01:58:42.280 I

01:58:43.100 go

01:58:43.240 back

01:58:43.480 to

01:58:43.620 that

01:58:43.820 verse

01:58:44.140 in

01:58:44.280 my

01:58:44.460 mind

01:58:44.900 and

01:58:45.600 think

01:58:45.880 about

01:58:46.320 the

01:58:46.800 reality

01:58:47.300 that

01:58:47.560 it

01:58:47.720 demonstrates

01:58:48.420 and

01:58:49.640 at

01:58:49.780 this

01:58:49.980 point

01:58:50.320 personally

01:58:51.500 in

01:58:51.800 my

01:58:52.000 quiet

01:58:52.380 times

01:58:52.860 when

01:58:53.040 I'm

01:58:53.200 trying

01:58:53.420 to

01:58:53.560 draw

01:58:53.720 the

01:58:53.900 energy

01:58:54.200 necessary

01:58:54.840 to

01:58:55.080 stay

01:58:55.300 focused

01:58:55.800 and

01:58:56.320 to

01:58:56.440 be

01:58:56.580 an

01:58:56.700 effective

01:58:57.340 servant

01:58:57.720 of

01:58:57.900 the

01:58:57.960 mission

01:58:58.280 the

01:58:59.240 verse

01:58:59.500 while

01:58:59.720 the

01:58:59.860 declaration

01:59:00.400 is

01:59:00.660 one

01:59:00.900 that

01:59:01.060 I

01:59:01.240 have

01:59:01.440 turned

01:59:01.760 into

01:59:02.140 a

01:59:02.360 prayer

01:59:02.640 and

01:59:03.400 it's

01:59:03.600 a

01:59:03.720 prayer

01:59:03.940 that

01:59:04.180 I

01:59:04.340 would

01:59:04.480 articulate

01:59:05.040 not

01:59:05.420 just

01:59:05.620 for

01:59:05.780 myself

01:59:06.180 personally

01:59:06.680 but

01:59:07.100 for

01:59:07.320 you

01:59:07.720 members

01:59:08.820 of

01:59:09.040 your

01:59:09.200 audience

01:59:09.720 and

01:59:10.620 other

01:59:10.920 folks

01:59:11.260 who

01:59:11.420 come

01:59:11.620 into

01:59:11.860 contact

01:59:12.240 with

01:59:12.560 this

01:59:12.780 message

01:59:13.260 who

01:59:13.560 can

01:59:13.760 embrace

01:59:14.140 it

01:59:14.360 and

01:59:14.560 that

01:59:14.740 is

01:59:14.920 this

01:59:15.340 I

01:59:16.740 hope

01:59:17.060 with

01:59:17.260 everything

01:59:17.740 that

01:59:18.120 we

01:59:18.420 are

01:59:18.760 doing

01:59:19.140 Governor

01:59:19.780 Perry

01:59:20.120 and I

01:59:20.620 with

01:59:21.100 Americans

01:59:21.800 for

01:59:22.100 Ibogaine

01:59:22.680 that

01:59:23.720 we

01:59:23.900 are

01:59:24.080 able

01:59:24.420 to

01:59:24.740 hasten

01:59:25.220 the

01:59:25.400 day

01:59:25.740 when

01:59:26.680 we

01:59:26.840 can

01:59:27.020 deliver

01:59:27.440 good

01:59:28.140 tidings

01:59:28.700 unto

01:59:29.220 the

01:59:29.420 meek

01:59:29.740 whom

01:59:30.580 we

01:59:30.740 have

01:59:30.960 the

01:59:31.120 ability

01:59:31.560 to

01:59:32.340 bind

01:59:32.620 up

01:59:32.940 the

01:59:33.440 broken

01:59:33.760 hearted

01:59:34.280 to

01:59:35.240 proclaim

01:59:35.660 liberty

01:59:36.100 to

01:59:36.420 the

01:59:36.540 captives

01:59:37.100 and

01:59:37.940 the

01:59:38.140 opening

01:59:38.520 of

01:59:39.080 the

01:59:39.240 prison

01:59:39.640 to

01:59:40.220 them

01:59:40.500 that

01:59:40.720 are

01:59:40.840 bound

01:59:41.200 Lord

01:59:42.300 give

01:59:42.580 us

01:59:42.840 the

01:59:43.380 strength

01:59:43.820 give

01:59:44.640 us

01:59:44.780 the

01:59:44.940 grace

01:59:45.300 and

01:59:45.860 may

01:59:46.000 we

01:59:46.200 succeed

01:59:46.640 Amen

01:59:47.620 Amen

01:59:49.500 W.

01:59:50.720 Brian

01:59:51.080 Hubbard

01:59:52.500 thank you

01:59:52.920 so much

01:59:53.340 man

01:59:53.600 for

01:59:53.760 spending

01:59:53.980 time

01:59:54.240 with

01:59:54.380 me

01:59:54.480 today

01:59:54.720 man

01:59:54.920 thank you

01:59:55.200 for

01:59:55.300 just

01:59:55.460 sharing

01:59:55.680 the

01:59:55.840 message

01:59:56.080 I

01:59:56.240 feel

01:59:56.440 inspired

01:59:57.120 and

01:59:57.700 I

01:59:57.860 do

01:59:58.060 feel

01:59:58.340 hope

01:59:58.580 man

01:59:58.880 I

01:59:59.240 do

01:59:59.440 feel

01:59:59.660 hope

01:59:59.820 and

01:59:59.940 I

02:00:00.120 believe

02:00:00.720 wholeheartedly

02:00:01.660 I

02:00:02.360 believe

02:00:02.600 wholeheartedly

02:00:03.400 that

02:00:04.080 these

02:00:04.500 medicines

02:00:05.400 medicines

02:00:06.360 like

02:00:06.680 Ibogaine

02:00:07.240 and

02:00:07.400 medicines

02:00:07.680 like

02:00:07.920 ayahuasca

02:00:08.460 are

02:00:08.880 the

02:00:09.440 purest

02:00:10.720 long

02:00:10.880 time

02:00:11.220 and

02:00:11.980 thank

02:00:12.420 you

02:00:12.520 today

02:00:12.680 for

02:00:12.820 being

02:00:12.960 a

02:00:13.100 messenger

02:00:13.380 and

02:00:13.640 yeah

02:00:14.340 we

02:00:14.460 appreciate

02:00:14.820 you

02:00:15.060 so

02:00:15.260 much

02:00:15.500 and

02:00:15.660 thank

02:00:16.220 you

02:00:16.340 for

02:00:16.520 just

02:00:17.860 believing

02:00:18.260 in

02:00:18.380 yourself

02:00:18.680 enough

02:00:19.160 to

02:00:19.660 go

02:00:20.220 out

02:00:20.420 there

02:00:20.560 and

02:00:20.680 fight

02:00:20.860 the

02:00:20.980 good

02:00:21.140 fight

02:00:21.420 man

02:00:21.700 well

02:00:22.760 everything

02:00:23.380 that

02:00:23.740 I

02:00:23.980 am

02:00:24.340 has

02:00:24.880 been

02:00:25.080 given

02:00:25.340 to

02:00:25.580 me

02:00:25.840 by

02:00:26.040 the

02:00:26.220 grace

02:00:26.500 of

02:00:26.680 love

02:00:26.940 from

02:00:27.140 on

02:00:27.340 high

02:00:27.660 and

02:00:28.160 I

02:00:28.300 just

02:00:28.500 hope

02:00:28.700 that

02:00:28.860 I

02:00:29.000 can

02:00:29.140 be

02:00:29.340 the

02:00:29.560 good

02:00:29.880 and

02:00:30.060 faithful

02:00:30.380 servant

02:00:30.820 that's

02:00:31.100 necessary

02:00:31.600 to get

02:00:31.960 the

02:00:32.100 job

02:00:32.360 done

02:00:32.660 amen

02:00:33.460 amen

02:00:34.740 brother

02:00:34.980 thank you

02:00:35.320 so much

02:00:35.680 man

02:00:35.860 we'll

02:00:36.020 see

02:00:36.160 in

02:00:36.260 the

02:00:36.380 future

02:00:36.640 and

02:00:37.140 you

02:00:37.540 guys

02:00:37.740 can

02:00:37.960 check

02:00:38.580 out

02:00:38.780 the

02:00:39.160 support

02:00:40.220 for

02:00:40.460 Americans

02:00:40.860 for

02:00:41.080 Ibogaine

02:00:41.740 we'll

02:00:42.680 put

02:00:42.840 all

02:00:43.000 your

02:00:43.120 links

02:00:43.300 below

02:00:43.700 best

02:00:44.720 of

02:00:44.860 luck

02:00:44.980 to

02:00:45.120 you

02:00:45.200 guys

02:00:45.380 out

02:00:45.520 there

02:00:45.760 thank

02:00:46.420 you

02:00:46.660 amen

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - July 12, 2025

#596 - Ibogaine Advocate Bryan Hubbard

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