This Past Weekend with Theo Von - #597

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00:00:13.800 i've got some new tour dates that i'm uh telling you about here um i'll be in winnipeg canada

00:00:20.880 los angeles california anaheim oceanside and calgary canada that is the end of that tour

00:00:28.960 i got to take some time off um to take care of myself and so i'm looking forward to that you can

00:00:34.740 get tickets at theovon.com slash t-o-u-r thank you guys so much for the support and i look forward to

00:00:42.660 seeing you guys soon today's guest is a singer songwriter out of scotland he just made a

00:00:49.620 triumphant return to glastonbury after taking some time off to focus on himself he has a new song

00:00:57.400 called survive which is out now streaming everywhere i'm grateful for today's guest

00:01:02.380 he's a class lad mr lewis capaldi

00:01:07.400 i feel like i've stepped through the screen do you know i mean here we are oh here we are

00:01:31.700 fucking locked in class class lads yeah it's hard to understand i feel like it's hard to

00:01:39.360 understand the scottish sometimes yeah yeah i'd say it's the hardest that because we've not got

00:01:43.300 the international identity that irish people have right i mean so everyone kind of knows the irish

00:01:48.220 accent but i feel like scotland is like ireland's sort of like ugly little sister oh no one really

00:01:53.380 like you know i mean people we don't have that sort of like international thing yeah ireland has that

00:01:58.620 thing like the you know they have like the um leprechaun or whatever yeah do you guys have a

00:02:03.100 version of the leprechaun i guess like william morris is like the only oh he's a powerful leprechaun

00:02:07.580 then oh yeah yeah yeah big man yeah big man thing yeah i wonder who the irish version of the leprechaun

00:02:12.720 just like a regular guy that needs help probably it's just like a guy that just like it can't get his

00:02:18.360 grandmother on the phone or something oh dude good to see you today man good to see you too man

00:02:25.980 thank you for having us thank you for all the beautiful music man thank you no i'm uh yeah

00:02:30.760 that's why that's what i do i appreciate it i mean thanks for all the laughs okay we're even

00:02:36.760 uh it's cool how something can cross like to a total different culture i mean that's kind of

00:02:45.120 fascinating you know that i could go to scotland and have people come see a show and that you could

00:02:48.760 come here and have people yeah man it's wild especially because i don't think you ever well i don't

00:02:53.060 know about you but like i never get into this thinking about like i never assumed that i would

00:02:58.340 be in america doing things like this or like people would come see shows or anything like that so

00:03:02.600 yeah it's mad it's just like it always feels like a bit of a blessing yeah coming over here and doing

00:03:08.200 this too in a dream sometimes it feels like i think or i don't does it ever feel to you like

00:03:14.600 you're living in a dream kind of in a way yeah for sure i think um especially like i took two years

00:03:19.780 off there and like i was sort of living this sort of mundane day-to-day oh yeah life but uh it was

00:03:26.460 just uh so it's weird now being back but being back in it all sort of the last few weeks has been

00:03:31.500 um a bit of a mad yeah it's like a yeah it feels out of body and a bit strange but i'm loving it

00:03:37.300 yeah it's great it's the best and you did uh did you do good morning america i did just this morning

00:03:41.960 oh yeah i've been up since four oh yeah it's early as early but kind of jet lagged so i kind

00:03:48.900 of kind of played into my my hand it evens out maybe they should call it goodbye america i feel

00:03:54.740 like we're what's going on oh yeah oh we're about to get on a boat and come back

00:03:58.420 where's the port oh there i am oh that was you today that's literally me earlier on wearing yeah

00:04:05.440 wearing a nice green jacket oh that's beautiful and who's the ginger there on the on the uh that's my

00:04:10.580 that's my piano player aiden oh sorry aiden aiden yes he has ginger he's very okay good we've

00:04:15.620 classified him then yeah no but he's uh he had good man i uh it's like the scarlet letter of

00:04:20.680 haircuts i feel like being a ginger you know exactly he's uh he's maybe the most red-headed

00:04:25.240 guy i've ever met wow yeah and is he a scotsman he is a scotsman they're all scots well their drummer

00:04:30.720 my drummer is a very posh english man named freddie oh yeah i know i know it's but it's quite it was a

00:04:36.500 weird thing we looked for a drummer for a long time and he was like uh we we kind of went through

00:04:41.040 it was like speed date went for a lot of different drummers and it was like this really posh english

00:04:45.660 guy that fit in with these sort of normal um scottish men so it's been lovely oh there he is

00:04:52.020 that's freddie oh there he is this is well good how quick you guys are in there and he's doing well

00:04:56.800 look at him yeah he's doing he's doing very well just had a little child a little baby oh god well

00:05:01.780 about a year ago now so um she's uh yeah she's a she's nice i mean she's fine i mean i don't know

00:05:07.940 baby as babies go i don't know her yeah as babies go yeah she doesn't say much yeah she emails late

00:05:14.180 at night though yeah yeah she gets on that laptop occasionally rattled off she'll fire off a few

00:05:18.880 emails yeah yeah um what yeah dude i've been to scotland before we did glasgow and did a show over

00:05:24.300 there yes uh how how did you find it oh it was quite it reminded me a bit of like uh a lot of

00:05:32.380 people like day labor like kind of like contractor type of people like yeah proper like working class

00:05:39.100 working class blue blue collar yeah over here yeah oh yeah down and dirty or like a dark blue

00:05:45.700 navy navy yeah yeah definitely uh i mean guys some of them they would you know one of them would talk

00:05:53.380 and one of them would whistle just like a unique you know like one guy you had to tickle them to get

00:05:58.220 the truth out of them you know just a lot of like special just unique folks yeah yeah it's a it's a

00:06:03.440 great place i love glasgow i don't like i kind of split my time now between glasgow and london but uh

00:06:07.820 yeah i always miss it when i go yeah it's just a different sort of um yeah different type of person

00:06:12.900 that you get maybe than and the londons oh yeah dude they're a bit more refined there they're a bit more

00:06:19.500 like uh kind of like you see like those nutcrackers at christmas and they're all like polished and

00:06:24.400 like you know they have like a nice head and like a little thing yeah yeah like your cat williams

00:06:29.600 yeah yeah they're a bit more cat williams over there in london and then you get to scotland and it's

00:06:36.180 just some guy fucking licking a pitchfork you know yeah exactly hoping for the best i love that

00:06:42.400 yeah i love that shit man yeah it's fucking it's pretty special but yeah it's a great place glasgow

00:06:47.160 been there but you're in you're nashville now yeah i live in nashville now yeah i love nashville

00:06:51.560 we're going there on wednesday this wednesday i think so yeah oh christ yeah i'll be gone yeah

00:06:59.180 i'm not just we're here now we're here now enjoying this and the chelsea this is it yeah the chelsea

00:07:04.800 hotel a famous place yeah um yeah so many interesting people we interviewed actually in this room craig

00:07:11.560 from craigslist the guy that started craigslist yeah and how's he oh he is he's got a he just

00:07:19.440 a lot going on a lot i mean think of all the things that are passing through you got a used car you have

00:07:24.280 somebody you know selling homemade narcan you got a lot of shit passing through you know you got a lot

00:07:29.180 of shit in your inbox yeah yeah of course has he still has he sold it or does he still own it he has

00:07:33.020 a partial ownership i believe this is correct he has a partial ownership but he's not active with it

00:07:37.360 anymore sure right okay and now he's just like a philanthropist but he was a very unique man craig

00:07:42.400 newmark was his name craig newmark yeah shout out craig yeah yeah yeah well we we wouldn't say craig

00:07:48.260 we'd say craig oh craig craig craigslist it'd be called oh craigslist oh that sounds even more

00:07:53.980 risque yeah yeah yeah misconnections it sounds like yeah you might meet a dentist in the dark on there

00:07:59.560 yeah yeah craig craig yeah and what does craig mean does it mean something in i don't know i just uh

00:08:05.820 what's their name uh i think i don't know if it's like uh i don't know if it's uh if it has any

00:08:11.620 true meaning or anything like maybe warrior craig oh paul craig there you are yeah he once called

00:08:17.420 me a loser on his podcast oh really he said say that he said i actually quite like paul craig but he

00:08:24.520 said i should uh lose weight and that i was a loser oh well dude if he lost weight he'd be a loser

00:08:33.280 yeah exactly yeah the biggest loser yeah don't give him the title before you yeah but i saw the

00:08:38.340 clip but um paul uh congratulations on everything sorry about what happened at the last uh yeah see

00:08:44.920 sorry lewis isn't enough for you but yeah sorry sorry man yeah yeah yeah paul craig no but that would

00:08:51.980 be craig yeah craig yeah anyway paul craig yeah yeah dude the scots man they're fascinating

00:08:59.160 they're just fascinating you'd almost like i wouldn't be surprised if you was in the u.s you

00:09:04.320 know or and you're in a zoo and had a couple in there somewhere like you know they're taking care

00:09:09.920 of and everything yeah yeah yeah drinking sort of like they're healthy in there yeah yelling at you

00:09:14.140 yeah yeah screaming at the fences and stuff like that yeah exactly yeah yeah it sounds that sounds

00:09:18.640 like us we're singing like a good um do they have like a lot of good like scottish songs and stuff

00:09:23.340 a flower of scotland when will we see your lake again and fought in night for your wee bit

00:09:36.340 hill and glim that stood against him proud edward's army and sent him homeward to think again come on

00:09:49.720 yeah yeah that's that's us that's one that's a good one that we've got we've also got um what's

00:09:55.720 your name ali bali ali bali b sitting on your mommy's knee that's a good one yeah i don't know

00:10:04.420 when it goes after that well that one ends in the courts i think it sounds like yeah exactly that

00:10:08.980 sounds like a domestic dispute you know but yeah i just i think yeah the the most fascinating kind of

00:10:15.040 like scotland it's like the diy england yeah yeah exactly yeah it's like we'll fucking figure it out

00:10:20.700 yeah we'll we'll be fine up there but although we did uh not to get into independence and no we did

00:10:25.760 vote vote vote to not leave the england people think scottish people hate english people but it's not true

00:10:32.360 it is i love i love english people yeah i love i love them so much yeah i don't i know i don't have

00:10:38.940 anything against english people yeah in fact um i love love them if i saw him i would definitely pat

00:10:46.200 him on the back yeah yeah come and pat the back and uh like a little like one of those little like

00:10:49.580 love taps on like on the back on the back on the back side on the yeah send them on the way on the

00:10:53.760 low back yeah just a little back yeah consensually yeah of course yeah it seems like there's a lot

00:10:58.860 more you have to be very consensual over there yeah yeah i think everywhere it's good to be

00:11:03.460 consensual good call sorry yeah it was just and that's not gonna age well uh but in scotland it's

00:11:10.740 just a bit more like whose tit is this you know kind of and it's on your mate half the time yeah

00:11:15.860 yeah exactly yeah and a man's tit it's always a man's tit we're talking about men ladies yeah we're

00:11:20.620 talking about men's tits yeah relax it's not always about your tits you know you don't think some of us

00:11:27.220 are wearing brassieres now they have that shea gilgus alexander just had a brassiere on the other day one of

00:11:31.780 the most uh famous basketball players in the united states oh really is that a thing that i can

00:11:37.520 pull up a gander at this yeah he was wearing a men's brazil oh what lovely stuff is that like what

00:11:44.580 is the but yeah beautiful i mean it's coming i guess things what is the what is the the use in

00:11:50.660 that because he doesn't look like he's packing heat i mean i bet i haven't seen this is as much of

00:11:55.860 as i've seen yeah i'm gonna just you know based on charts i've seen online i bet he's doing okay

00:12:00.860 yeah yeah for sure yeah i think uh yeah i don't know i think maybe times are changing i don't know

00:12:07.520 yeah it looks i mean hey fair play to him yeah fair play fair play that's what i that's what i always

00:12:12.180 say fair play to these brazilian men yeah that's what they say um are you feeling okay yeah i feel

00:12:20.280 great doing good yeah i feel relaxed and chilled good man what is um celsius so celsius is our sponsor

00:12:27.000 and this is i mean this will definitely it it just gets you kind of going you know yeah yeah i'm gonna

00:12:34.520 have a sip yeah get in there i've never i've never tried it before you haven't oh it's lovely that is

00:12:42.900 actually really nice celsius i'll have a bit with you yeah cheers cheers lad cheers sir a word from our

00:12:49.420 sponsors hey there you are oh man yeah this dude you have a couple of these you'll see a couple ufos

00:12:57.560 yeah yeah i always thought it was alcoholic can you get alcoholic celsius or no it's a great question

00:13:03.140 do they have that no they should really they should really wade into that market i think so that'd be a

00:13:08.400 good that'd be a good shift yeah i bet at some point they will i mean you're gonna get an email

00:13:12.160 immediately for alcoholics you're gonna have you're gonna get a collab yeah great i mean that's what i'm

00:13:16.300 what i'm angling for i mean i'm here collecting sponsors yeah um dude in scotland you guys see

00:13:23.120 some of the most ufos do you know that i didn't know that no no i'm not uh i'm not as a up to speed

00:13:28.780 with my alien stuff as i should be but is that is that the case more yes i think scotland is one of

00:13:34.600 the most i think scotland has some of the most uf ufo sightings anywhere really i think there's there's

00:13:40.760 also like that's also got something to do with people like you know taking more drugs in scotland

00:13:45.900 oh definitely and then some people just need a ride home exactly just hoping anything will come

00:13:51.340 get them yeah yeah exactly what's that there was a video of a guy one of the first sightings over

00:13:55.620 there burnt was his name yeah this is a guy right here it's bobby taylor

00:14:02.120 i think with a big round dome a very dark gray color and had a a big flange going all the way

00:14:12.540 around i could see arms sticking out of this flange with what i took to be blades on the top

00:14:21.420 as i stood here there was two balls came out two balls i think they'd be about three feet in

00:14:29.460 diameter with about six it could have just been a it could have been just a big gay guy running

00:14:35.640 towards him you know what i'm saying it could have just been a big gay guy in a helmet running

00:14:40.160 towards he also sounds like he might have a few on board though i mean it's not like uh robert

00:14:44.700 bobby taylor there sounds like he could be under the influence slightly so i'm not sure that that's

00:14:49.280 no i'm glad you're here because this is livingston that's so close to where i grew up really yeah so

00:14:53.360 close to where i grew up i grew up like 10 minutes from there oh wow that's very close

00:14:57.560 east whitburn uh in between glasgow edinburgh but that's so close to where i live and is have you

00:15:02.080 heard of this man i've never heard of robert taylor he hasn't uh hasn't really made it into the

00:15:07.100 he was attacked by a ufo in the deck in the deck deck deckman woods you've heard of him i haven't

00:15:13.160 heard of uh i've heard of the woods i haven't heard of uh robert but then that's what they do they try

00:15:18.100 and uh they try and uh suppress this stuff don't they oh for sure you can yeah this guy should not

00:15:23.980 be yeah west lothian that's where that's literally where i grew up really yeah in uf the the taylor

00:15:29.900 incident aka livingston incident or dutchman woods encounter is the name given to claims of sight

00:15:35.200 sighting and extraterrestrial spacecraft uh in livingston west lothian yeah yeah that's where

00:15:40.960 whitman is i never thought i'd hear deal von say west lillian oh yeah

00:15:44.640 you're doing a lot of time wl whatburn loopy that's another thing yeah well the whatburn loopy

00:15:50.520 is like a uh a young team there's a thing in scotland called there's things all over scotland

00:15:55.100 called young teams and it's like groups of youths or are like and they sort of get together and cause

00:16:01.720 mischief and like you know i don't know like fighting stuff for a bit of gangs yeah yeah so i

00:16:07.560 wouldn't even class it as guys it's not as like it's not as um violent violent there's fights but

00:16:12.540 like everyone you kind of go around on your bikes and like punch punch fuck at each i was never in

00:16:17.360 one obviously but like uh punch fuck at each other we had like uh west weapon loopy that's the only

00:16:23.900 one i know yeah it was a song like what burn loopy nuts are we him and her and you and me we'll show

00:16:29.500 you what we can do with a baseball bat and a snooker cue slash the faces jump the back use the cue

00:16:34.960 it's a baseball bat what burn loopy nuts are we we are the what burn loopy let's go dude i'll join right

00:16:42.100 now give somebody that freaking glasgow smile wow according to taylor a forestry worker for the

00:16:48.520 livingston development corporation on november 9th 1979 he parked his pickup truck at the side of a

00:16:52.560 road near the motorway and walked along a forest path um he claims he experienced a foul odor like

00:16:59.580 burning brakes uh i mean it sounds pretty um similar the spheres like similar to sea mines had seized him

00:17:08.340 and were dragging him in the direction of a larger object when he lost consciousness oh

00:17:12.460 they all but they always lose consciousness right before they see them that is true i mean so what

00:17:17.500 is what is happening yeah it sounds like he blacked out i mean anything yeah i mean he definitely you

00:17:23.280 set out of the gate it looked like he'd maybe had one or two yeah yeah one on board yeah and also the

00:17:28.160 thing about a lot of ufos dude you never we never even we never even find a gas cap on the ground or

00:17:35.340 anything like these motherfuckers are flying everywhere we never find a rear view mirror

00:17:40.420 yeah exactly yeah exactly you're telling me they're that well assembled that not one of them every had

00:17:45.080 the fault yes a spare tire or something even just one of those jacks they used to fix the side of it

00:17:50.480 i'm not like a huge believer in uh ufos or aliens but i i'm i'm curious yeah i'm curious yeah yeah i'm

00:18:00.440 always interested you're alien curious i'm alien curious yeah me too i would just be oh i hope if

00:18:07.280 they get me they're women that get me but yeah the fall what was that the fall kirk triangle fall

00:18:12.520 kirk triangle fall kirk's also not far from where i live this is all they obviously would be happening

00:18:15.900 in my sort of my uh little concentrated area of london yeah scotland sorry yeah the fall kirk triangle

00:18:24.120 it sounds like three kind of thicker ladies splitting a bit of haggis doesn't it yeah it does

00:18:28.660 yeah yeah the fall kirk triangle is a region in central scotland renowned as one of the world's

00:18:34.380 most active ufo hotspots you didn't know that i didn't know that no that's not uh people haven't

00:18:39.760 like uh what the shit yeah exactly yeah it's not become a real it's not as famous as but how many

00:18:45.560 do you need before people tap each other on the shoulder you say yes things are things are going

00:18:49.560 on here this isn't like this isn't uh normal you think as well you'd be able to catch them

00:18:53.920 like you'd be able if 300 are happening a year in the area you'd be able to wait out and be like okay

00:18:59.560 they're coming at some point do you know what i mean yeah you think just some guy

00:19:02.300 that's mad though i never knew that what is it i wonder if what leads to those ufo i wonder what

00:19:09.980 if there's something in scotland that leads to it is it the diet is it the there was a there was a

00:19:15.340 thing called the glad the glasgow effect um a couple of years ago well i still i think it was

00:19:20.100 like the life expectancy in glasgow at one stage it was like 55 years old or whatever and i remember

00:19:25.840 this girl um did uh like this thing where she was looking it was like an art project

00:19:31.800 but she was looking for funding so she could live like a a glaswegian for a year and see how

00:19:38.880 it affected her health so she could love a glaswegian no live live like a glaswegian like

00:19:44.880 live the diet the the sort of surroundings that people were really up in arms about it because it

00:19:49.560 was very like sort of poverty safari sort of right like like almost like a super seismic but for scotland

00:19:55.480 yeah yeah it was very like um it was thingy but yeah excess what the glasgow effect refers to the

00:19:59.740 observation right in the glasgow space lower life expectancy and poorer health outcomes than

00:20:03.520 people living in similarly deprived cities in the united kingdom there you go but i think it's

00:20:08.620 better now i think it is much better now i think the people are just so great god wants them back

00:20:13.000 quicker that's great that's a good way of looking at it that's what i feel like you could the rest of

00:20:17.840 you guys can mill around on the earth yeah just keep it keep it going down there yeah dude the last

00:20:21.820 30 years are downhill anyway we'll fucking show up in heaven in style i like that yeah that's class

00:20:28.060 how old are you i'm 45 man yeah i'm gonna die soon dude let me get a look i think you're a very

00:20:34.340 very sprightly 45 you know i don't feel i i swear to god i don't i don't if this is what 45 feels

00:20:41.440 like i can't even believe it yeah because i don't feel 45 yeah i don't even i don't think i think like

00:20:46.820 i'm 45 yeah so i think something's wrong wrong with me and i'm not even joking i really do i thought i

00:20:53.480 would just have more like adult feelings or be a young grandfather at this point but none of that's

00:20:59.480 happening yeah yeah of course i definitely get the older i get the more i'm like aging kind of scales

00:21:04.900 me slightly not even not even aging getting older but like the loss of like youth yeah even though

00:21:11.440 like things have gone i've like done been really lucky and like had like a really like dreams have

00:21:19.500 come true and stuff i still like find myself paining and longing for like when i was younger

00:21:24.160 and even like i don't know why it's like a a big thing for me it's this same like i'm running out

00:21:29.920 of time sort of thing but i think that everyone gets that i don't know i don't know if some people

00:21:34.160 get it so severely because i think about that all the time like youth like i'm like almost obsessed

00:21:38.320 with what it was like to be young you know and almost i think a lot of times i don't want to grow up

00:21:44.360 yeah yeah of course yeah at any i don't ever want to do it yeah you know like uh but yeah i think

00:21:51.240 i guess i think one thing about youth is that everything was like so adventurous maybe or

00:21:57.800 i don't know why do you think that is what do you do you think there's like i don't know i don't

00:22:02.640 know if it's like any themes about youth that make you feel that way i guess there's people like

00:22:06.860 there's people around you that are that aren't here anymore i guess that it's a point in your life

00:22:11.420 where everyone is like everyone's there i mean i guess my my grandmother died when i was three so

00:22:19.040 that i was very quick to i think that may be a big thing with my worry of like my um what's the

00:22:26.640 word obsession with like you know youth and aging and all the attachment and all that yeah because

00:22:32.000 i learned from like a young age that people it's finite and people die and stuff and i think um

00:22:38.500 yeah i think maybe that might be something that attached to it or like that there's there's less

00:22:43.200 there's less um was she a cool lady your grand yes she was cool uh what's her name uh

00:22:50.060 i don't know my mom's gonna kill me no she won't your grandmother's dead you they need you

00:22:58.760 fuck what was my grand's name i just called her nana that's fair and if she first of all

00:23:04.960 i can't text my mom and ask her what her name was please any any grandmother going by her natural

00:23:11.760 born name first of all is a tramp every grandmother should be nana from now on i want to text my brother

00:23:18.860 because i feel like my mom would be like what the fuck are you doing it might be a bit much for her

00:23:22.920 yeah what was mom's mom's name two more sips of celsius you'll remember it yeah yeah i bet if you

00:23:30.660 have a sip of celsius right now you might remember it i can't fucking remember her name that's mental

00:23:35.300 but yeah you've been through a lot do we've seen yeah yeah that's fucking mental ah is it though i'll

00:23:42.140 keep it i'll keep it i'll tell you this i don't know my father's mother's name oh but there you go

00:23:47.280 but you you your father was much older yeah he's older man yeah my grandmother was born in 1884

00:23:54.180 wow but i should still probably know her first name yeah yeah but i guess you never you never

00:24:00.360 met her no i never met her which is born in 1884 that's no i've seen some drawing we had drawings

00:24:04.820 of her and stuff at our house but i uh yeah i never met her yeah but we had four pretty good drawings

00:24:10.260 one actually one my uncle did and it was fucking shite dude yeah it was shite yeah it was horrible

00:24:16.100 with markers yeah yeah of course yeah yeah it's a no photos just drawings yeah and from memory maybe

00:24:22.440 yeah so who knows it could have been anyone really it could have been an old lady

00:24:27.320 yeah um so so you don't uh yeah it could have been just some friend of paddington bears i have no clue

00:24:33.940 it could have been anyone of the queen do you know what i mean oh yeah yeah it could have been the

00:24:38.780 queen yeah exactly damn grandma had a scepter that's pretty crazy yeah um i'm back in with

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00:26:14.460 pickles have always been treated like they were an extra like they didn't matter like no one cared

00:26:21.140 about them or remembered that they existed yeah that's how people treat pickles like a complete and

00:26:28.380 total afterthought so sonic drive-in made pickles a before thought and a during thought introducing the

00:26:36.940 sonic big dill meal a sonic smasher topped with grillo's pickles crispy fried cucumbers and dilly ranch

00:26:47.080 tangy pickle season tots and a pickle rita slush filled with pickle bursting bubbles sonic has unleashed the

00:26:55.360 pickle with the big dill meal pickles aren't just a topping with this meal they're the whole meal

00:27:02.560 the sonic and grillo's big dill meal live free eat sonic so we'll get back to that my mother's my

00:27:11.260 mother's mother's mother's name and look it'll be something that we'll try we'll check towards the

00:27:14.820 end yeah yeah but nan is it nan is it that's what everybody nana nana nana nana it's like i thought

00:27:20.560 is that a scottish thing or like uh no i think i met some americans say nana yeah i'm trying to think

00:27:24.880 what we say here a lot of people say like uh grammy me me me me ma me ma too me ma yeah yeah what would

00:27:31.880 you what would you grandmother evil grandmother i would say also at times or uh distant grandmother

00:27:40.820 cold grandmother older lady with the key

00:27:44.520 is also a term that i would throw around sometimes no uh my grandma yeah she was my grandmother was

00:27:52.840 good at like she would make us nice treats yeah um and that was one thing i do that thought that she

00:27:58.440 was good at fond memories treats she liked to feed you you know yeah i've lesson i've got a lot of

00:28:03.240 people like that in my life yeah yeah i'm a bad guy i'm a bad guy proponent of being fed oh i like to

00:28:09.300 be fed yeah look yeah sounds weirder than i wanted it to sound but i just meant i like i like eating

00:28:15.160 well of course you should eat while you're here i mean according to the scottish mortality rate

00:28:18.680 yeah yeah there's only so much time left exactly i need to get on no wonder you feel so much about

00:28:24.480 your youth you know no wonder you do i think my brother's text me back all right let me see

00:28:28.780 what mom's mom's name was melissa it wasn't melissa no old no grandmother's ever been called

00:28:39.380 melissa not that i know of no unless it's like kind of like a um

00:28:44.120 melissa maggie i guess we'll get to the bottom of this by by the end of the podcast i'm a hundred

00:28:52.300 this is our ufo yeah yeah yeah this is meant i'll just keep it um sorry no i think it's great man

00:28:59.020 um yeah dude who's on who's on your scottish mount rushmore if you had to kind of piece one

00:29:04.620 together uh billy connelly would be up there for sure okay billy connelly yeah billy connelly

00:29:09.160 and maybe i like there's a scottish singer i love called paulo natini what is his name paulo

00:29:16.820 natini he's scottish italian much like myself well not quite like myself because he looks italian and i

00:29:21.380 look like this yeah see he's got that sort of like italiany wow i didn't know that so that's a

00:29:28.220 um scotsman that's a scotsman yeah oh and uh yeah but he he's up there for me as a as a musician

00:29:35.460 i'm such a grew up listening to him and have you guys ever gotten to tour or collaborate together

00:29:40.340 we've i've had a few beers with him i went to bdc him and had a few beers with him that was like a

00:29:44.160 really nice sort of full soccer he's very elusive uh palantino like disappear for years and then come

00:29:48.940 back and sing but he's uh he's an incredible incredible talent but he'll be he'd be up there

00:29:53.920 for me um i'm trying to think of actors oh uh i guess sean connery maybe sean connery would be up

00:30:02.560 there i mean he's a very historical figure yeah sean connery probably would be up there yeah actor

00:30:06.800 wise what about shay mcgowan was he scottish yeah we're going to irish he is he might have been high

00:30:11.380 enough he thought he was scottish although he's yeah i think he was born in england shay mcgowan

00:30:14.700 i don't know but i think sean connery is he was very much the epitome of class i think for a bit

00:30:21.600 yeah it is robert lewis stevenson that uh he's in it or like alexander graham bell is he scottish

00:30:28.700 yeah i think he's scott scott scottish people invented telephone and television john logie

00:30:35.340 baird is that the guy who invented the television um well robert lewis stevenson they invented the

00:30:40.360 telephone who invented the telephone really oh my gosh dude thank you don't worry honestly thank

00:30:47.080 you're more than welcome that that's quite a recent looks like quite recent picture what's going on

00:30:51.400 there it must be ai or something nah this is what do you mean do you think that's ai i don't know

00:30:56.780 oh it's just been colored it's just been them dude he you guys invented the damn telephone

00:31:01.620 who did he call first i don't know there's no one else on the other end of the line i guess that's

00:31:06.300 problem that's a great point oh christ that must have been the worst part imagine the day they're

00:31:10.400 like debuting it and nobody else even has one yeah exactly rubbish it's must be the guy who got

00:31:14.740 the first iphone you know what i mean oh he's like oh my wife didn't pick up i must stay for another

00:31:18.760 point yeah that's mad alexander graham bell's first telephone call was to his assistant thomas a

00:31:26.020 watson bell uttered the famous words mr watson come here i want to see you wow quite

00:31:31.760 sexual almost definitely well look disco a lot of men invented things i think a lot of men

00:31:39.900 who allegedly had maybe some zesty tendencies invented things because they had they needed to

00:31:45.720 meet other men yeah yeah and they didn't want to say out in public hey yeah exactly you needed to

00:31:50.560 you wanted to be like discreet yeah yeah yeah so pick up this little whisper mobile that little

00:31:55.480 come heather come heather machine yeah the come heather machine wow that's wild dude that's lovely

00:32:03.860 that's amazing dude i didn't know that it's uh and that was march 10th 1876 he did not not not long

00:32:09.540 before your um grandmother was born that's true yeah oh it's all coming around now isn't it

00:32:15.960 or ip melissa melissa oh he's texting sorry i'm really it's really rude that i'm pulling my phone

00:32:21.220 it as much as i am no what do you mean we have to know oh mom's mom margaret oh margaret yeah

00:32:27.420 margaret i knew it was margaret i would have said that maggie margaret yeah there you go margaret i

00:32:33.160 knew wake up maggie i think i got something to say to you oh i do a lot of singing on this podcast so

00:32:40.460 far it's great though yeah i'm really really taking it in he's also a fan of glasgow celtic

00:32:45.280 is he really yeah yeah who um oh rod stewart yeah yeah he passed away on no he's alive and well oh

00:32:52.760 good people said he passed i'm glad he's doing good now i think so i think he just played uh

00:33:00.020 i think he just played glastonbury like last week or something i was gonna be uh i was gonna be

00:33:03.120 disappointed for a bit thank god he's alive yes yeah i agree watching rod yeah um you mentioned

00:33:10.540 glastonbury a few minutes ago you just returned huh i just got back yeah i just got um just came

00:33:15.120 back on stage about a comeback moment thing yeah it was lovely it was like a really special

00:33:19.920 special moment i didn't um two years ago i basically had like this i don't want to call

00:33:25.880 like a mental breakdown but it was like a breakdown of sorts on stage that had been a long time coming

00:33:31.420 to be honest on stage at that glastonbury in 2023 and then i took two years off to sort of like

00:33:37.700 recalibrate and re-sort of you know did a lot of therapy and got myself in a much better headspace

00:33:43.080 and dealt with i had been told i had tourettes and stuff and that was really causing me a lot

00:33:46.760 of stress and i didn't know how to deal with it um and now yeah after these two years off i really

00:33:51.600 wanted to come back and you know do glastonbury and sort of like as a like a mental sort of win

00:33:59.680 sort of finish the thing that i couldn't finish before um and it was amazing yeah like really

00:34:04.780 really maybe like the best day of my life to be honest it was a really really special moment and

00:34:09.220 i'm just uh yeah i'm really glad that we got to got to do it and like it was just yeah blew my

00:34:14.420 mind about you mad mad mad mad yeah i mean i've seen the videos it looks uh you can feel the energy

00:34:20.480 in both in both of the uh the the the the the performances i've seen on youtube you can feel

00:34:27.200 the energy in both of them was part of you like glad like you know there's this weird like because

00:34:35.000 you're very transparent i feel like with your audience i feel like as much as you can be and

00:34:39.240 i think as a human right you try to put yourself out there yeah as uh as well as you know yourself

00:34:44.900 yeah and that's how you try to present yourself yeah yeah and of course we're always like getting

00:34:49.500 to know ourselves more right and so that will change over time um were you were you glad almost

00:34:56.560 in a weird way that some of that kind of like i don't want to call it a breakdown but some of like

00:35:01.620 that like that that reel of a moment in your life was there a little bit of you that was glad or were

00:35:07.940 you scared that it happened in such a public way does that make any sense no no it makes complete

00:35:12.900 sense and i was i was so happy like when i came off stage like when it happened and when it was

00:35:17.660 happening i was it was like the lowest moment of my life and it was horrible but like i made this

00:35:22.860 uh i had this moment when i was on stage like two three songs and i was like this is the last time i'm

00:35:30.260 going to play a gig for a long time i was i need to try and get through the rest of the show but

00:35:33.800 right when i come off i'm done so when i got off stage it was obviously again horrible on at the

00:35:40.100 moment on stage and you know experiencing or whatever but excuse me um i when i got off stage

00:35:46.700 everyone else around me was a bit like oh this is the worst thing ever and i had this weird sort of

00:35:52.580 a weight had been lifted of like oh now this thing's happened and i have to get help

00:35:58.720 sort of thing it wasn't i had been putting it off because funnily enough a few weeks prior to that show

00:36:05.220 and last time we were playing in chicago and i had a very similar episode but it was probably even worse

00:36:11.440 uh the one in chicago i couldn't come back on stage and finish the song i was like backstage

00:36:15.480 convulsing and having like this crazy panic attack mental like episode it was really really bad way

00:36:24.120 worse than what happened to glastonbury because glastonbury is such a like you say like a big

00:36:28.700 stage and a big moment it was the first time people outside of maybe you know my shows or whatever had

00:36:35.780 seen it um so yeah at glastonbury when i came off stage it was weird i had this oh everything's all

00:36:42.320 right now and i can actually go and get help and fix myself for these for the next two years and it

00:36:47.220 was um yeah in a weird way it's probably the best thing that ever happened to me that that moment at

00:36:52.340 glastonbury in 23 because it was just i wouldn't have stopped otherwise if i had if i could like

00:36:58.960 think i'm really bad for i'm gonna say i'll say i'm really bad i was really bad for um not saying no

00:37:07.460 to things yeah like feeling like oh this is going to pass me by if i don't say yes to this all this

00:37:12.880 amazing stuff's coming at me now and i have to like catch it all and sort of get it all done and

00:37:18.200 and and do this um otherwise these moments are going to pass me by and i'm you know it's never

00:37:23.920 going to happen again so i said yes to way too much and i took way too much on and everyone around

00:37:28.700 me was like was asking me are you sure this is okay should i say yeah i'm fine i'm fine i'm fine i'm

00:37:34.060 fine i'm fine um but yeah so glastonbury 2023 was for sure the biggest like um was yeah really

00:37:42.920 important um and like my yeah maybe the most important day of my life to be honest because

00:37:47.060 it was such a um yeah i wouldn't have stopped otherwise i mean it was like almost like like a

00:37:52.660 blessing kind of yeah it's like someone upstairs was like this has to happen now otherwise i don't

00:37:58.120 want to think about where i would be now if i hadn't yeah i'd continue to do it because we

00:38:01.460 may go to australia and stuff like that and you could have fallen apart man yeah yeah exactly it

00:38:05.520 could have been really really yeah horrible i'd dread to think yeah what would have happened

00:38:10.060 otherwise too and so and yeah a bit of a blessing in disguise i think for sure and i you know what i

00:38:15.140 thought about like um i felt like it was just like i think we're at a time where people just want to

00:38:22.100 see something that's real yeah you know they want to see somebody that's like you know that's not

00:38:28.600 hiding all their tough times you know that's trying to at least be earnest as earnest as you

00:38:33.720 can you know um so yeah i just thought it was um yeah i don't know yeah i think seeing something

00:38:41.120 that's real yeah and especially if it's somebody like you that is you know you're an emotional guy

00:38:46.900 you have a lot of feelings and it's and you have a lot of feelings that we all have that we can't put

00:38:51.140 into words and so you know we like look to you to be like this like you know almost somebody that's

00:38:58.060 like uh speaking for us not that you're doing that through ego or anything yeah but just that

00:39:02.300 you're like a conduit for some of the feelings that we can't explain yeah maybe i think so but

00:39:06.260 then i look to like other people like that oh for sure i think we all do but just the fact that then

00:39:10.480 you uh are able to like just that you're so present and real it feels like with your with

00:39:16.560 with people and with your fans or you know people that support you yeah that for you to have a real

00:39:22.080 moment it just um i don't know i guess i don't know exactly what i'm trying to say i guess

00:39:27.840 i know i know you i know what you mean it's like people are sort of craving a bit of like

00:39:35.700 authenticity i think well and also if you hadn't had it as such a real way would you um

00:39:41.440 no well that's like i think for a long time i was like

00:39:46.100 i'm sorry no you're grand you're grand uh it was i think for a long time i was like

00:39:52.800 surface level talking about my mental health and talking about i think for a long time prior to

00:39:58.660 that moment in twitter three i was like um yeah i get i have panic attacks or i get anxious

00:40:03.680 but i wasn't like really i feel and i still i'm bad for this now like i give people

00:40:08.920 enough that that sometimes they think they're getting the whole story and actually i'm holding

00:40:14.600 quite a lot back sometimes um and i think i was doing that quite heavily at the time so when that

00:40:19.200 happened at glastonbury it was this real thing of like the the sort of things been the mass

00:40:25.060 pulled off and it's like here we are yeah you're just there and in front of everybody so um

00:40:29.940 yeah as i say it was like this um you i didn't have had no choice but to confront

00:40:35.100 things and i think yeah i was really taken aback by the sort of outpouring of um love and support

00:40:42.300 that people had shared like it was really like um like an emotional time like coming back and seeing

00:40:48.220 like so many people reaching out and being you know kind and sort of sharing their stories with

00:40:53.940 me and all this stuff it was it was really um special but yeah i i know you mean like i feel like

00:40:58.640 everybody's looking for something that's a bit real or tangible to sort of hold on to i think

00:41:04.140 something that's human yeah yeah yeah 100 did you feel any embarrassment when you came back and not

00:41:08.900 that you should or anything i just think that feelings are interesting right yeah so sometimes

00:41:12.540 you'll feel embarrassed about things even if you should you know it's all interesting like we show up

00:41:16.480 to everything with different feelings and trying to you're always trying to juggle all these feelings

00:41:20.900 and all these moments you know was there any embarrassment yeah yeah i feel i feel embarrassment

00:41:26.260 all the time honestly like i don't know if i don't know if you agree with us right but like

00:41:30.600 see being like famous i find it's the most embarrassing thing of all time or like well

00:41:35.820 known like i walk into every room and i'm like either you're either not famous enough or too famous

00:41:41.660 to be in a room i know it sounds like very first world problems but let me land here but it's like

00:41:45.980 this like thing of like either walk into a room and it's like uh again i'm totally projecting and

00:41:52.960 no one's probably even looking at me like this but like 100 i sometimes feel like either it's like

00:41:59.360 everyone thinks that i think that i'm awesome awesome and i'm walking in a room and i'm like look at me i'm

00:42:05.180 this famous guy and blah blah blah or people walk into the room and go oh who does he think he is doing

00:42:11.320 this or that i just feel fame in general and being well known as the most embarrassing thing to me i

00:42:18.120 just get like i just feel so like cringed up all the time with like when it comes to like that sort

00:42:25.400 of side of things yeah it's the brightest ugliest suit yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah you're walking in

00:42:30.560 a room with like i don't know it's it's it's mental and then i sort of have this thing where i walk in a

00:42:35.300 room and i assume that oh everyone in this room is probably doesn't like me because they've seen

00:42:39.380 something online that i said once or they think i try too hard to be silly or funny or they think i

00:42:44.840 try my music shit or they think i think i am better than i am or i just oh yeah trying to manage

00:42:51.060 people's expectations or thoughts yeah yeah and then your whole life becomes and i know some people

00:42:56.840 are like listen to these guys who have everything complaining right and i understand that but we're

00:43:01.700 going to keep doing it for another minute right just to explore what it's like because also being

00:43:06.600 popular it's almost just like life's like an experiment and you have different moments sometimes

00:43:10.680 it's great sometimes it's horrible but it's all just like i look at it as like okay this is what's

00:43:15.940 going on now and what is this like you know and uh yes sometimes then you start thinking okay i have

00:43:22.180 to spend so much time making sure that everybody thinks that i'm okay yeah right that i'm cool that i'm

00:43:28.040 okay enough to them yeah so then that can be like a trap it can all be just kind of like um i don't know

00:43:33.720 it can get a little bit interesting that's another thing as well like that's uh like even like having

00:43:39.140 that thought of like fuck is this yeah is this complaining too much or whatever but like oh i'll

00:43:44.680 text these guys in the middle of the night does this seem gay does this seem racist those are two of

00:43:49.720 the big ones yeah am i okay these motherfuckers are trying to sleep in their homes yeah exactly their

00:43:54.320 co-workers text me at midnight am i okay like we don't fucking know look fucking look at your ring

00:43:59.900 camera you idiot i don't know but it's true it's like this thing of like even the thoughts of even

00:44:06.780 the thoughts of even like the thing i just said you're i'm already like overthinking that thing i

00:44:12.800 said about you're either too famous or not famous enough in a room because i'm like i'm embarrassed

00:44:17.820 that i even like even talking about being famous is embarrassed or even like referring to yourself as

00:44:22.080 being famous as embarrassing do you know what i mean and again you're only famous to people who know

00:44:27.200 you really you're not famous to ever like yeah like thingy so it's like and then i don't know it's

00:44:32.320 such like a uh mental you do like so many mental gymnastics i think for sure um oh no look man it's

00:44:39.480 interesting to talk about and you know what i think it's it's interesting to imagine um that it's

00:44:45.780 interesting to imagine that you're important right yeah that's an interesting thing yeah it's like that

00:44:50.340 you're like i i've noticed this sometimes like if other people think i'm important then it gives me

00:44:58.400 i don't have to think i'm important like it's almost like i'm using the fact that they think

00:45:03.960 i'm important in some way it's like oh then i can just get my importance through that yeah instead of

00:45:10.480 creating my own importance for myself does that make any sense or is that crazy no 100 it's like

00:45:14.620 you're getting but then it's that sort of that again i guess it goes back to the external validation

00:45:19.120 100 which is like i was thinking about this on the way over as well how um how attack like because

00:45:26.060 i'm coming back into this like um like yeah you have a new tour coming out you're coming back into

00:45:31.980 yeah this walk stepping into like spotlight again or like this sort of world again and i'm really

00:45:38.600 trying not to get that validation externally but it's quite difficult like i'm just i already feel it

00:45:46.380 like in little bits of things that i've only been uh back for like a week and a half here and i'm

00:45:52.260 already like you know looking through comments and getting oh like excited when i see like a nice

00:45:58.560 comment and then like really down when i see an awful one and and i'm already i'm trying to stop

00:46:03.180 myself and be like no this is like this is the stuff that you that got you sort of where you were

00:46:08.020 last time it's important to not yeah you sort of feed into it and it's just um it's just really

00:46:12.520 yeah it's like such an interesting and i don't think it's exclusive to being well known or i think

00:46:17.920 a lot of it's human too yeah yeah a lot of it's just human stuff you know and i think this you're

00:46:22.980 almost like i think with popularity and stuff you almost become like a lab mouse you almost become

00:46:27.420 like just this heightened level of a lot of things and so um you know it's interesting to talk about

00:46:33.260 well dude as a fan of yours and as uh you know somebody you've helped me feel you know

00:46:38.500 you know no homo dude have feelings and shit over the years type shit uh but dude yeah i don't think

00:46:46.420 you could ever i think you'd have to try very hard uh to to have a realistic person think that you're

00:46:57.340 a bad person i think you know and likewise like i think that's like um i think it's that's why i think

00:47:03.440 i'm such a fan of yours as well like i just feel and like talking about being real and stuff i like

00:47:07.780 i've seen clips of yours where you're like again showing emotion and stuff and it really it really

00:47:12.100 resonates with me and in a big way so i feel like it's yeah it's just nice to like yeah i guess

00:47:18.500 check in front of your grandmother text again sorry it's getting fucking kind of crazy but

00:47:22.160 no i appreciate it man we're trying our best you know and it's and sometimes it's a battle and yeah

00:47:26.740 i didn't mean to interrupt you that was kind of mean i mean dude wasn't mean at all honestly i was

00:47:30.340 rambling um do you worry uh but thanks for the nice words dude yeah it all becomes and then you

00:47:36.780 start to become like well this how people think you are you're is that how you really are and then

00:47:43.800 you're like am i holding up just an image of myself yeah who am i even it's all kind of interesting

00:47:48.720 right i think but as long as you try to just stay aware of that that's kind of what's going on

00:47:52.980 yeah then it can all be kind of interesting um i think it's important to remind yourself who you

00:47:56.920 are away from all this i think that's what me having two years off i'm a pervert away from it

00:48:01.120 no offense ladies i don't know and no offense scott either

00:48:05.600 no but i think it's like i think it's important to have that sort of um

00:48:11.000 yeah that sort of uh awareness of right when when all this is gone like who what who am i or what am i

00:48:18.500 yeah you know i have more i think i have i'd like to think i had more to offer than

00:48:22.200 you know singing a few songs or you know being silly on social media or stuff like that yeah and

00:48:28.480 more to offer myself too yeah that's what i think about sometimes like you know at what point do i

00:48:32.880 start offering like trying better to focus on offering things to my own life i don't know

00:48:36.620 now now now we might be wading into some fucking ego waters but that's okay yeah let's back out of

00:48:41.300 that um how do you keep things from being different than like what kind of like led to like some of the

00:48:47.640 uh you know like mild traumas or things that happened last time that led you to the point

00:48:52.640 where you were really suffering yeah i think for me like i wasn't doing any therapy i wasn't really

00:48:56.880 looking after myself at all uh it's not like i'm like hitting the gym like every fucking day or

00:49:01.540 whatever like whatever but like i just think in general making better choices in terms of um

00:49:06.380 you know every aspect of my life i do therapy every week now as well which has been really

00:49:10.300 um uh beneficial for me i think i've really uh that's really been maybe the biggest biggest

00:49:17.960 thing that's switched everything around is your therapist a man or a woman a man man named owen

00:49:23.400 owen okay very nice owen what okayen owen okayen yeah irish oh yeah god

00:49:29.840 so you'll end up decent if you get better yeah exactly at best yeah i'm decent at best dude

00:49:37.840 oh that's him there yeah yeah very good is it okay that we say his name and stuff i think so

00:49:42.620 yeah i'm sure he'll i'm sure he'll be more than happy with oh that's class oh he's an author as

00:49:46.660 well yeah he's an author oh that's amazing man he's been amazing he's been amazing for me in the

00:49:51.300 last uh the last little while it's just been who turned you on to him uh it was my management that

00:49:56.740 got through to him and stuff who had heard from someone else or whatever but i was just when i came

00:50:01.840 off stage at glastonbury it was like immediately first thing i need is therapist and then did they put

00:50:07.040 you in an ice bathroom you got off or what'd they do do they like just or did you just fucking sit

00:50:10.560 and have a pint and be like that was a that was a wild one like were you able to calm down right

00:50:14.400 after you came off the stage i went i went out and i went i flew back to glasgow that night and went

00:50:18.220 out and had pints that's the most scottish shit i've ever heard dude i did but yeah i could be getting a

00:50:25.460 heart transplant yeah no i woke up and i went straight to straight to the pub and and so it was just a

00:50:32.380 nice i just had to like go and do something normal rather than for sure and be around mates and and

00:50:37.580 kept back at that sort of place so uh so yeah i went out and kicked the house out properly but it was

00:50:42.220 it was very much needed do you know what i mean so um but uh yeah and then it became

00:50:47.780 yeah and then afterwards we did yeah a bunch of shit with therapists and neurologists as well for like

00:50:53.480 with the rest and stuff i'm take medication for that and all that stuff and uh just in general

00:50:58.960 try to reduce stress as much as possible i think it's been a massive a massive thing and i think

00:51:03.120 that's where that's sort of what i was saying about saying no to things is becoming quite a i'm

00:51:08.820 realizing how um uh important that can be uh with oh yeah with stuff because it's just it's one of

00:51:15.500 those things of like if it doesn't oh what this thing you won't get this again if you don't say yes

00:51:20.300 now i'm like okay cool or somebody will be unhappy or something like that like yeah i've done

00:51:23.960 meet and greets i think for probably 97 of my shows after right just for free just meet you know

00:51:29.220 i but sometimes i just can't do it anymore and it's okay yeah of course you know like i had like i don't

00:51:34.920 know if it was like i don't know what happened to me something happened to me like a couple years ago

00:51:38.020 i just felt like this loud crack even like in my head yeah i was like all right and i've never been

00:51:44.620 i don't think fully the same since then okay yeah really but i don't know what happened you know but i just

00:51:50.000 knew that i had to shut it down and i had to start taking better care of myself yeah and um

00:51:55.000 because at first i thought the stress was like oh you're not working hard enough you're not figuring

00:51:58.720 this out well but that's not the truth the truth was i just you know like there wasn't going to be

00:52:04.100 anything left i mean you know i just didn't have anything left so i had to tighten it up yeah man

00:52:08.160 definitely i think that's that's the thing as well sometimes you feel like like you said i like

00:52:12.380 what you said there the stress felt like i wasn't doing enough or whatever but it's actually

00:52:16.000 it's like taking your foot off the gas as opposed to putting it on yeah i think that's an important

00:52:20.220 thing yeah and now i'll shut down like if it's a certain conversation or somebody's talking to me

00:52:24.080 sometimes if somebody's speaking in a certain pentameter or things are too fast or something

00:52:28.160 i'll just say hey i can't even be in this conversation like i just have to like because

00:52:32.320 you'll just start to kind of lose your mind yeah um so with the turrets was it was it getting cool or

00:52:37.640 was it getting bad like what kind what kind were you getting because there's the cool kind where you know

00:52:43.660 yeah no it wasn't it wasn't the cool kind i was like i used to do this thing all the time where

00:52:49.100 i would go like this like i'd be sitting here having this conversation with you and i'd be like

00:52:51.740 this oh yeah like a third base coach in football in baseball or something you know yeah like doing

00:52:55.700 signals yeah yeah yeah so i used to do that shit and i used to like contort my back and stuff in ways

00:53:02.000 so i had to get like this i wanted to get this feeling in my muscles when it felt like it was pulling

00:53:06.560 and like cracking and like i was causing myself some real pain um and i had to just i just for some reason

00:53:12.700 in my head i was i need to feel this to know that i don't know it was it was almost like it was like

00:53:17.900 i sorry i'm saying like a lot and it annoys me but um i think you're doing fine all right cool yeah

00:53:23.440 good good good um we can do no i've noticed when people say like a lot i've not noticed that today

00:53:28.160 all right cool good good good um the uh yeah no it was almost like when i felt i was out of body

00:53:35.460 i would try and do this like twitch or something to sort of bring myself back in

00:53:41.320 it was really weird it was really weird and i looked like i was like on

00:53:45.380 copious amounts of cocaine like yeah like i was tweaking do you know what i mean

00:53:49.080 really really like i was tweaking oh you were hailing a freaking air taxi with bobby taylor over there

00:53:53.860 dude that's fascinating though so you would get a feeling and then the the some of the tics would

00:54:01.900 make you feel like you're almost getting back into your skin yeah well that's what i felt like

00:54:05.280 again i can't speak for everyone else fascinating though yeah i think they call it like a pre-monetary

00:54:08.960 urge or something sorry and i think uh i am yeah i was getting them all the time and when i was

00:54:14.780 performing it was like really prevalent because it was like you would get it if you're excited

00:54:20.020 any sort of extreme emotion would bring it on or like tired or anything so it was um yeah it was

00:54:25.620 bizarre it was really really bizarre but like now i'm noticing even more but

00:54:29.540 no it sounds good pre-monetary it's called pre-monetary urge yeah fuck fuck i remembered

00:54:33.980 that a pre-monetary urge is a sensory experience like an itch or a feeling of pressure that occurs

00:54:39.040 before a tick an individual with with tourette syndrome or other tick disorders pre-monetary

00:54:44.120 urges are physical sensations these urges can manifest as feelings of tension pressure and itchy

00:54:50.200 sensation or a feeling that something is building up and needs to be released wow nice

00:54:56.100 wow i definitely i had about for 15 years i had a

00:55:02.260 fuck i'm still doing bad still doing pretty bad yeah i'm just two days off of pre-monetary

00:55:09.360 urge but i needed it couldn't sleep yeah um this is an ad by better help you know workplace stress

00:55:20.820 let's talk about that let's talk about that the the constant feeling like you have to put out you

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00:56:31.500 h-e-l-p dot com slash theo but wow man that's kind of fascinating well one thing that i think is so

00:56:39.240 interesting um about people like you who are like you know uh poets wordsmiths and you know and

00:56:46.180 that's okay that's what you are right you have an ability to share things through words and language

00:56:49.600 is that when something like this is a part of your world you can probably express it to people better

00:56:55.620 than some people who don't have that same ability right yeah maybe i don't know i'm yet to like really

00:57:00.780 delve into it because i'm still like figuring it out as well just know i find i'm better you're still

00:57:05.000 what figuring it out figuring it out yeah i find i'm better um at like um sort of talking about

00:57:13.400 something once i've understood it a bit more um i'm not really good at um talking about things as

00:57:19.160 they're happening oh yes 100 it's like or explaining or writing about stuff as it's like um yeah

00:57:26.040 happening i feel like oh jesus no it's like things are better when you have a chance to look at them

00:57:31.760 yeah yeah with the benefit of hindsight for sure oh yeah so i'm at oh that's the craziest thing about

00:57:38.420 life though sometimes it's like i don't get i'm always waiting for hindsight in my life you know

00:57:42.900 and the problem is then yeah you've gone relative term and also you've gone on from whatever the

00:57:47.980 wherever you could have had an effect on things yeah i'll always like delay trying to have like

00:57:53.000 make a choice until things are in hindsight but then it's too late yeah you know sometimes i do

00:57:57.620 that a bit yeah um when did you go to therapy for the first time ever was it after that no no i went

00:58:03.060 to therapy before i've tried therapy a bunch of times and uh like no it's obviously i'm not uh

00:58:08.360 uh i don't want to sound disparaging to any other therapists i've been to there's been i've been to

00:58:13.340 amazing therapists but i never really had like a connection with any of them or like

00:58:17.720 or or sort of felt uh clicked yeah for sure i think a lot of times people go and they think

00:58:23.880 just because they're going to what they're well i don't want to say a lot of times people do things

00:58:27.180 a lot of times i have gone to therapists for years and i didn't know that i i was really supposed to

00:58:32.620 have like a relationship that i could be honest in yeah it was like finally this was supposed to be

00:58:38.040 like whether i wanted to pretend like the therapist was my mother or my girlfriend or my brother or a

00:58:42.920 friend i could pretend like they were that and say things to them that i've always wanted to say to

00:58:47.460 that other person but i never realized that that's how it was a good way to use a therapist

00:58:51.920 yeah i always just thought a lot of times it was like just sit and talk only about how i feel

00:58:56.540 and it didn't matter if if i was learning anything i just thought oh since i'm going to a therapist

00:59:00.980 you're checking a box there or something right i'm checking a box i didn't even realize that

00:59:04.500 anyway sorry to interrupt you no no for sure and i think just to your point there i was going to a lot

00:59:09.040 of these therapists and i was just i felt like i was just saying what they wanted to hear

00:59:16.820 after a certain point to get i was looking at the clock and sort of being like right okay what is

00:59:22.220 the what is the thing i can say to get you know here the quickest or to that that makes them think

00:59:27.940 i've like yeah i wanted them to think that i had a grasp of like my mental health oh yeah i want to be

00:59:34.660 my own doctor sometimes yeah yeah yeah and and they would say stuff and i would then i just found

00:59:40.000 myself i was i was parrying everything they were sort of when it went or when things and this is

00:59:45.760 what's great about my current therapist is really good at this of if we go somewhere he can sense when

00:59:51.180 i'm being avoidant or being sort of um yeah being yeah being avoidant is is the is the word and he

00:59:58.800 sort of pulls me back in and is saying as there's a reason you're being sort of wishy-washy here or

01:00:05.300 anything like that so was there an initial moment when you noticed them like was there like one

01:00:10.480 moment that you're like oh wow uh what with this therapist yeah yeah it was it was actually i

01:00:16.140 canceled a session i canceled two sessions back to back and he was on on it like giving me i don't

01:00:23.420 want to say grief grief's the wrong word but like he was saying i don't we don't have to do this he was

01:00:29.540 very like forthcoming in the fact of if you don't want to do this this is totally fine but

01:00:33.780 it feels like you're not engaging with this in a way that's um beneficial to you or to or like

01:00:41.520 wasting his time as well so um for me i was that was like a i really i really respond to that sort

01:00:49.040 of not letting me away with shit do you know what i mean and i find that in the sessions now as well

01:00:54.000 i find it really um beneficial when there's you know someone called i like when people call me out

01:00:59.120 on my shit yeah because otherwise i'll just keep shitting keep shitting yeah i'll keep on

01:01:03.940 shitting i'm always shitting oh dude the story on my life you just fucking literally explained the

01:01:08.980 story of my life yeah it's like i'll fucking keep i'll fucking get a drum i'll get some juggling balls

01:01:14.420 i'll tell a riddle i'll fucking do whatever i gotta do for you not to corner me in a serious moment

01:01:20.740 100 100 uh so yeah that's been um i just found that to be really um i don't know like it was very

01:01:27.800 uh i don't know i just felt it was really good for me to get that sort of response from someone

01:01:33.900 to be like i don't like what you're doing here this isn't conducive to a healthy relationship

01:01:39.340 with therapy wow um so yeah that was funny that was probably the one i was like okay this is this

01:01:45.520 seems to be this might be this might be the guy for me yeah yeah dude yeah i think now i have

01:01:51.680 tourette's when i um like i every this is when i get tourette's it's like if i'm sitting somewhere

01:01:58.820 with my freaking girlfriend or whatever and she's like i don't think this is working out or whatever

01:02:03.680 and this is why and then i just like it's like i just can't be honest you know i just get so scared

01:02:12.760 to be honest i'm like and i don't really get like tourette's like you're saying but it is but

01:02:16.260 but it is a form of tourette's it's this it's this get me out of here yes it's this get me out of get

01:02:22.300 just yeah get me out of like i just like i don't know it's so hard for me to stay in a moment uh with

01:02:31.060 one other person it's hard for me to stay in a moment that's not completely in my control yeah for

01:02:36.440 sure do you ever find that with like people i always find i'm really good in groups but then

01:02:41.360 sometimes if i'm just one-on-one with someone even with someone i've known my whole life

01:02:44.140 i'll be like what the fuck did i say yeah what the fuck's your name sitting in the car with my dad

01:02:48.260 yeah yeah you're standing there with your gran what do you say again to people like what is the

01:02:53.180 thing you're meant to how am i meant to start a conversation with someone do you know i mean

01:02:56.600 even like my best friends oh yeah yeah i think i'm a good auxiliary player you know i mean good

01:03:02.060 sideline player but um but yeah no i yeah i empathize with that situation for sure i i think i think

01:03:07.580 i never thought about it till just now yeah but that's my Tourette's it's like this like

01:03:11.360 and i literally can feel my fucking skin being like why are you keeping us here

01:03:18.820 you know yeah and like yeah i mean i remember one time at all having a conversation like a real

01:03:26.340 conversation with a girlfriend in the car and i literally put the window down and hung my fucking

01:03:30.540 arms out of the window like like i wanted to get out like as much of me as could be out here

01:03:37.560 needed to not be in this vehicle having this real moment of me having to commit to this relationship

01:03:44.060 um i'm gonna pee really fast can we take a break for just a minute please okay

01:03:48.120 yeah dude thanks for sitting i just take a take a wee oh you guys call it a wee i just took a pee

01:03:54.700 take a wee a piss that's crazy that's one just we're not because we're only six hours away from

01:04:00.540 each other by ocean and we call it somehow the letter change yeah yeah yeah it's true it's fucking

01:04:06.720 baffling yeah a piss or a slash oh a slash is a good one i'm going for a slash going for a slash

01:04:12.580 yeah and you come back with blood on your clothes your fucking neighbor's missing see it's crazy how

01:04:19.200 that changed as well from going to america yeah over there you're going for a slash you're just going to

01:04:23.320 fill up a toilet you know yeah over here it's something more sinister yeah you're fucking

01:04:27.200 making a dateline episode it's just crazy how things just really fall off as you go across the

01:04:33.040 ocean um no but man yeah thanks for talking about some of that because even it's helped me think

01:04:37.360 like some of those things it's like hard to realize until you get into conversations where you're

01:04:41.040 talking about some of this stuff you know and then you got to be careful because your ego will

01:04:45.040 start to be like you know what you're talking about so that for me sometimes is a trap and i think i

01:04:49.120 gotta like just like go to more recovery meetings and stuff so i don't get just that i'm the only

01:04:55.300 voice i'm hearing yeah yeah of course that's when it gets really scary for me like then i feel like i

01:05:00.360 know something yeah yeah that's the thing that's why i'm like i'm really enjoying this because

01:05:04.240 we've been doing the interviews all day and it's very one sort of one way and you start i don't know

01:05:11.300 if you find this that if you're doing stuff or whatever promo or whatever but like um yeah you're just

01:05:16.340 talking about yourself all the time and i feel like it just becomes this like i don't know it

01:05:20.820 just fucks me in the head slightly yeah well it's a shitty song especially after if you're a creative

01:05:24.580 person i feel like after a while just talking about yourself is just a song you've played

01:05:28.800 you know and it's not even it's just like pieces of you that uh it's almost like fool's gold some of

01:05:37.240 it in a way yeah for sure um yeah that's one thing i noticed about you man is just even in asking

01:05:41.320 one question to me it's like because it's really kind of a conversation you know was drinking or

01:05:47.040 anything like that a part of like stuff that because if you were on the road like drinking diet

01:05:51.120 um like not getting massages massages something that's helped me yeah um were there things that

01:05:57.920 you had to adjust uh that were also creating more havoc for you yeah for sure i feel like i definitely

01:06:05.780 drank too much uh initially like with my um when i basically had cut out booze completely when we

01:06:13.500 were on tour um on these like like for the last like 2022 i'd say i stopped drinking when i was on

01:06:20.540 tour or whatever uh or 2023 i can't remember but um uh yeah because booze like i like having a good

01:06:26.340 time oh yeah i love having a good time and i really enjoy i wouldn't be someone who sits by themselves and

01:06:32.100 has like smashes beers or whatever i'm much more social like the social aspect of boozing and going

01:06:38.020 out and having a nice time and stuff so but yeah definitely um i wouldn't say i was a problem drinker

01:06:43.020 but it was definitely getting in the way there was an amazing um thing that a guy we were supporting um

01:06:50.080 sam smith on tour in 2018 and the monitor engineer was a guy called lee was it lee remember lee and he said

01:06:57.740 um uh to me you remember the remember this thing he was like you can get fucked up and you can fuck up

01:07:05.060 but don't fuck up because you were fucked up and i feel like that's really stuck with me and there

01:07:10.860 has been times where i have done that like i have fucked up because i was fucked yeah yeah fucked up i

01:07:15.460 mean and i feel like for me that was but as something that always ruminate like sort of

01:07:21.540 like ruminates around in my head and i feel um yeah i definitely had to like curtail

01:07:27.440 my boozing at times and be a bit more um uh responsible responsible yeah choose my battles

01:07:36.060 with it a little bit more if because there's always an excuse to go out and and have a have a nice time

01:07:42.120 and go have a drink or do this or that and i'm like all i'm sort of all or nothing with it a bit

01:07:46.700 do you know what i mean i'm not again not like uh like i'm and i don't care i just i let if i'm

01:07:53.360 going out i'm going out do you know what i mean i'm not yeah well i think it's also part of you

01:07:56.360 guys's culture a lot yeah yeah like the binge drinking in the uk is like a feels like a bigger

01:08:02.040 thing than yeah you forgot your fucking grandmother yeah no judgment man we miss you

01:08:08.640 margaret we miss you margaret melissa we miss both of you yeah but look but yeah if you

01:08:15.300 fucking drank so much through your childhood that you don't remember your grandmother yeah

01:08:19.380 people aren't shocked if you're like hey i think i just need to have some checks and balances

01:08:25.420 but um but yeah no and like you say diet and stuff like that has been important i'm trying not to eat

01:08:32.520 as much shite i've lost um i don't know what it would be in pounds two stone since what is two

01:08:38.620 stone in pounds two cents 40 pounds i think let's take a gander at it two 28 pounds 28 pounds since

01:08:46.100 the start of the year which i'm kind of fast yeah i feel good about that uh and i want to lose more

01:08:50.960 and stuff but the problem with it when you're really fat because i was i was 20 stone at the start

01:08:54.980 of the year so what is that i'm giving my weight away here i was 280 pounds at the start of the year

01:09:01.140 god how do you understand that guy you heard him

01:09:02.880 he uses no letters at all in his words fucking two letters 11 words god i would never figure you

01:09:13.560 out in a crossword puzzle i'd never fucking if you had a crossword puzzle he'd be to speak

01:09:18.140 70 words in it i'm just joking man no no but yeah but yeah so i'm trying i'm trying to like get

01:09:25.820 on top of that and stuff and just really um uh yeah sort that stuff out as well but obviously

01:09:31.120 it's a process and do you have like do you have like a like more of a team now supporting you

01:09:35.580 or did you have to bring other people on i mean you said you got a therapist now you work with some

01:09:39.060 um yeah my brother's training me at the minute oh that's good the brother that i text and stuff

01:09:42.840 he's like a qualified personal trainer now so that's great uh so he's been coming down to london

01:09:46.740 and training me and stuff so that's been lovely and with diet and stuff he's been helping etc

01:09:50.980 nice but um you feel better about it yeah i feel better about it i'm not i hate it i hate exercising

01:09:56.320 yeah i fucking hate it like it's i mean people can probably tell by looking at me but like i'm not

01:10:01.120 i fucking hate it oh dude there's this pull up my tiktok to save ones um there was this dude the

01:10:07.560 other day he had the funniest thing uh that i saw on there it's a uh kind of like a black guy about 30

01:10:14.360 years old but it was pretty good so you'll save tiktok's hood easter bunny sex human implanted with

01:10:20.200 nearly plays a game scary study about microplastics this is a real uh oh this is behind the scenes

01:10:25.800 of my brain you're getting inside the brain here i didn't realize that till just now uh this is a

01:10:31.340 little bit uh alarming i ain't gonna lie you never realize how long a minute is until your ass

01:10:38.300 start fucking exercising that's so true it's so true honestly you never realize how long a minute

01:10:44.880 is when you do like a plank yeah you're like what fuck me yeah it's intense we got all the time in

01:10:50.620 the world yeah who is that guy i just want to say his name richie gatz richie gatz richie gatz

01:10:57.900 shout out richie gatz that's hilarious dude um dude you have to get on a bunch of medication

01:11:04.220 you're all right i'm on an antipsychotic just now called aripiprazole uh i was on antidepressants

01:11:10.300 i was on sertraline which i think is zoloft oh yeah i'm on there yeah yeah that was uh interesting

01:11:14.560 i really um i couldn't uh it didn't really it just made me numb yeah i can't feel a lot yeah i can't

01:11:22.560 feel a lot and really i couldn't get like a hard on to save my life oh yeah yeah all right and when i

01:11:27.300 did it would be like this it would be like a roller coaster that just kept going up oh it never came

01:11:32.520 down oh god dang it was like it was an intense period of time um but i uh but i yeah so i came

01:11:42.120 off that but then the thing is coming off it is like an as really an intense experience unreal and

01:11:46.820 no one really gave me that heads up so i was like really like low and and sort of i i wouldn't say

01:11:52.440 i've ever i'm always really um careful about using the word depressed or whatever but it's the closest i

01:11:58.100 felt to that feeling i feel like in my life yeah it's scary it feels like a trap door and

01:12:02.500 outside you opened up like right in the middle yeah yeah yeah fucking spot on like it was so um

01:12:07.140 yeah so so intense so um yeah i was on that for a bit and i don't think i i maybe needed to be on

01:12:14.100 that um especially for as long as i was and for the dose i was on or whatever um but uh yeah that's

01:12:19.880 this i'm only on this a peper is all anti-psychotics like five milligrams that was really scary when

01:12:24.280 they were like um when they offered it up yeah because it sounds scary anti-psychotic i'm like i'm

01:12:30.660 not i'm not psychotic i hope he was doing better than not yeah yeah yeah but i yeah but i'm on it

01:12:36.700 now and at five milligrams before i go to bed and it's and it's helped change my life genuinely yeah

01:12:41.380 it's genuinely been a massive massive help um just did everything like my mood my anxiety levels are so

01:12:48.380 low these days i'm just the stress that i used to feel i don't feel as stressed i mean i don't know

01:12:52.820 if it's all related to this or other choices i guess it's an amalgamation of things right but um

01:12:57.520 that's amazing though what's that called are a peper is all shit maybe i'll try it get on that

01:13:02.960 shit oh yeah i'll buy a bag of that yeah what are the uses can we go down the uses the treat a

01:13:09.540 range of mental our peper is all is used to treat a range of mental health conditions

01:13:13.400 so right schizophrenia bipolar one major depressive disorder irritability associated with autism

01:13:18.160 specter's disorder and Tourette's there you go made it in the very end yeah just just snuck in

01:13:23.340 there snuck in there at the end as the door was closing sled on my knees

01:13:27.720 maybe i would try that man yeah um oh what do you think you're about your songs being used for

01:13:34.920 like on the voice and stuff like that i'm all for it man in these foreign countries though

01:13:39.100 this is beautiful that's a beautiful this is a really lovely that is cool i mean yeah you're

01:13:56.480 right you write this i wrote a song yeah i wrote this one yeah oh and he got a turn around come on

01:14:08.040 there well hope so it's a damn kid yeah yeah at least turn around and tell him yeah i'll be giving

01:14:13.400 some uber money these are rich people yeah no this is incredible like i think this is beautiful

01:14:19.020 do you know i mean this is like a really nice um use of it and stuff and he's great he's incredible

01:14:24.480 wow dude imagine how brave you have to be to be that age and be able to continue to stand there and sing

01:14:33.300 go on

01:14:34.980 pretty good no no that's good god i think you should sell the song norm yeah yeah exactly

01:14:48.880 yeah no i love all this i think oh it's cool man yeah this is cool man i hadn't seen this

01:14:57.360 something look at him just channeling yeah it gets a little bit too good though do you know i

01:15:02.900 mean they fucking just relax just calm down a little bit yeah like huh somebody throw him a

01:15:07.580 freaking rugby ball put him on the pitch and see who he really is a little bit too fucking good

01:15:13.440 for my liking but oh that's beautiful no that's amazing that's incredible and what's that young

01:15:17.260 man's name wow oh wow bjarin bjarin bjarin go on bjarin go on bjarin that's amazing man

01:15:26.060 yeah you know i i just think it's interesting even watching that it's like music's just such a

01:15:30.180 it's like just such a conduit for other people to feel you know and it's crazy that the words can

01:15:35.140 come out of some person some pin some a moment of feeling and then it it can metastasize and that's

01:15:41.700 the thing i think um you never expect like when you're writing the song you're not thinking about

01:15:45.920 that you're not thinking someone will sing this on a tv show in germany or or a tv show like they did

01:15:51.740 and like the mass singer and stuff over here it's just like it feels really um i guess it's like

01:15:58.240 an honor that that people would take it and and want to sing it like that yeah especially someone

01:16:03.640 who's like a 10 year old kid oh yeah pretty um pretty spectacular so um yeah i love it man i just

01:16:09.120 want to anything that gets and this thing is getting the music out there and it's people are hearing it

01:16:13.720 and yeah i think it's uh just yeah it's amazing when that starts to happen do is it tough to try

01:16:20.160 to like whenever you recalibrate to write again right when you recalibrate um i know you have a

01:16:26.640 new song survivor no uh survivor that just came out yeah um is it tough to and congrats it's great man

01:16:33.400 thanks man i just started listening to it so sometimes it takes me a bit even with songs i'll

01:16:38.260 listen to somebody's album the first time but like that's trash yeah two weeks later i will be

01:16:41.880 fucking i'm the exact same crying in the fucking back of my car yeah yeah i'm the exact same by

01:16:46.580 myself dude i drove myself there yeah and then got in the back and cried like this is bad but the

01:16:52.780 music's good yeah um what uh is it hard to recalibrate like do you feel like you have to

01:16:58.620 write for the like now you're right trying to write for the stars like how does that get that's got to be

01:17:03.340 interesting yeah i think um i'm not like a massive uh fan of i didn't grow up writing poetry or grow up

01:17:13.540 i wanted to play live gigs and i so it became a thing of um right everyone i know who plays live

01:17:21.940 gigs who i look up to is like singers or whatever they all have their own songs so i will write my own

01:17:26.940 songs and then everyone i know who at the time who i looked up to they all played guitar so i'll

01:17:33.080 learn how to play guitar so that i need to learn the guitar so i can write songs to then play them

01:17:36.820 live do you know i mean so it was always just uh everything was a means to them to get on stage

01:17:41.720 and play live um so even now i'm like when i'm in uh you know uh studios or or whatever it's i find it

01:17:51.360 i do struggle a lot with like writing that song there uh took me like a year to finish

01:17:56.260 like that thing of um people saying uh you know and i do get it the best songs come the quickest or

01:18:04.320 whatever but that's like my biggest song and that's um that took me so long right and i think there is

01:18:09.120 something to be said for you know persevering with stuff like that a little bit but um so yeah when i get

01:18:15.900 back to writing now it is sometimes it's really difficult like i really um have a hard time just

01:18:23.840 i find it hard sometimes to get what i'm thinking articulate what i'm what i'm trying to say i suppose

01:18:30.720 oh yeah um and i find that and lots of different walks of life or whatever but um with yeah with

01:18:38.180 writing especially i i don't find it as easy as maybe i think i overthink things now a lot more

01:18:45.500 and yes because i feel that people might actually hear this thing that i'm making

01:18:50.200 do you know what i mean whereas before for sure before it was like no cunts gonna fucking listen

01:18:54.300 i mean so um i um yeah i really uh yeah i really now overthink that but again this is something i'm

01:19:02.020 trying to unlearn and sort of yeah get back to sort of basics and just write for me and because i want

01:19:07.600 to write and because i want to play and stuff like that so um yeah it's always a bit of a difficult

01:19:14.260 thing for me i don't i don't find it i don't like wake up i have to write something today

01:19:21.360 do you know what i mean that doesn't like uh not always in it not always anyway right i feel like

01:19:26.480 um you gotta follow the feelings when you do have them so for example i haven't written a song

01:19:31.200 in like six months recently yeah so for the last six months i've not written anything good for you

01:19:36.540 though yeah yeah i feel like it was important to not to just take a bit of a break off but i don't

01:19:41.860 know if it's the same way like when you're in stand-up or oh i think there's times like i'm

01:19:45.560 looking forward to taking a little bit of a break but at the same time there's a part of me that's

01:19:49.320 looking forward to starting with new stuff yeah so i'm just grateful that that little part of me

01:19:54.900 exists because there's times that i'm like well i still want to do this or you know i think we all

01:19:59.340 kind of feel those things at certain moments of like taking a break from something will it still

01:20:03.240 be there when we come back yeah but then let's say the absence that makes you when you miss it

01:20:08.380 that's a massive thing as well missing that sort of um where you hear somebody write a great joke

01:20:13.200 and you're like i gotta give it i gotta try again you know like the other day i heard chris rock

01:20:17.600 talking and i was like oh he's just my favorite yeah him and louis tk and i was like oh man i just

01:20:23.260 can't even believe like i gotta get out there and try again and see what else is inside of me if

01:20:29.980 there's more than i'm capable of you know it's not necessarily like a competitive thing maybe it's

01:20:34.860 that i always find um when i hear if a friend of mine writes an amazing song and i hear it on the

01:20:39.640 radio i go fuck that's so incredible it's not like i'm not wanting to oh i need to be better than

01:20:45.980 them it's like oh i'd love to try and write something that comes anywhere close to how great

01:20:49.340 that is yeah i mean or just to see what's in me i don't have no idea what's inside of me yeah i

01:20:53.620 didn't know anything was inside of me yeah exactly you know and then some shit came out and you know

01:20:58.340 so yeah just like trying to figure out what's inside of me um is there a lyric that you've

01:21:04.780 ever written that you feel really proud of kind of like is there one that's there's like a song i

01:21:10.180 wrote called how i'm feeling now which i wrote when i was really in the sort of shit um with stuff and

01:21:16.180 the lyric is uh so here's to my beautiful life that seems to leave me so unsatisfied no sense of

01:21:24.320 self but self-obsessed i'm always trapped inside my fucking head on and on and on i thought i'd be

01:21:29.600 happier somehow if you're wondering how i'm feeling now and it's kind of about like my um

01:21:34.440 uh how i was feeling in terms of i've got everything i ever wanted and i'm this like

01:21:39.780 yeah i'm so sad i mean i don't feel how i thought i would feel when i when i got to this point

01:21:46.140 uh so that's something i'm really proud of there's also a song on this upcoming um

01:21:52.140 uh this upcoming we're doing an ep at the minute or releasing a bunch of stuff and there's a song

01:21:57.720 called the day that i die that i'm really really proud of and it's just like uh yeah it's a bit

01:22:03.620 it's it's about that time when i was really feeling at my lowest that um i'm really excited for people

01:22:09.200 to hear that's cool man yeah man no i'm buzzing i'm buzzing about getting out there and seeing what

01:22:14.440 people think yeah yeah i wonder i'm trying to think like i love uh i like a lot of like uh

01:22:21.620 like uk like um like dermot kennedy came on the podcast yeah dude that'd be if you and him did a

01:22:28.200 collaboration that'd be pretty amazing he's he's incredible he's so good dermot and i we were

01:22:32.560 releasing stuff we kind of come up around the same time especially in that uk ireland sort of

01:22:39.080 seeing stuff but he is his voice is like if i when i was growing up if there was an artist like

01:22:44.560 dermot kennedy that was the sort of artist that i would have been like all in on that would have

01:22:48.580 been like my sort of that's my type of shit you know what i mean like his last song let me in or

01:22:53.900 something i think it's called it's brilliant uh it's an amazing amazing song let me take a gander at

01:22:58.440 real quick let me in i could have stayed never went home

01:23:03.300 it might have been brief but at least i was free from all of my ghosts yeah

01:23:12.360 live in my head like reflections on water that only come once

01:23:19.760 i still haven't learned deceptions in the cinematic version of law

01:23:27.300 i can't get enough these days all the world doesn't sing to me quite how it used to seem

01:23:39.440 this life is a touch too damn much for me maybe that's meant for me

01:23:47.160 he's brilliant he's great man that's awesome yeah dude if you guys did there'd be no tears they'd

01:24:11.160 fuck they'd be the oceans would be full yeah if you and dermot kennedy did a song together the

01:24:16.260 oceans would be full man it'd be done it'd be a wrap it'd be a hundred percent salt water for the

01:24:20.840 planet we're done the deserts are done i'd love to man he's um or james blake did you ever listen

01:24:26.800 to james blake james blake as well yeah retrograde and stuff like that yeah if you guys had like a

01:24:30.800 i'm just trying to think of things that i like sorry i'm trying to fucking pin work on you um

01:24:35.120 yeah no he's just like a up because then it would be like or like i wonder if he i wonder if he's

01:24:39.680 ever done any remix your stuff i don't i'm just thinking of like i guess british artists that i

01:24:43.680 know but james is such a yeah let's say sam fender sam fender sam fender's incredible kind of like

01:24:50.300 he's got that sort of like bruce springsteen thing going on and so he's he's fucking he's probably like

01:24:55.320 one of the biggest maybe the biggest in the uk just now is he really yeah he's he's i went to see

01:24:59.260 um uh fucking uh at london london stadium recently it was uh he's he's a fucking special special special

01:25:07.980 wow and it says he just canceled shows he had mental health he was yeah yeah it's like do you

01:25:13.060 know what's so funny it's become every single this is again not to go back to like fame or whatever or

01:25:20.680 even just it's really kind of sad but like every person i know who's achieved something

01:25:29.140 that they grew up aiming for or dreaming of or whatever seems to have this sort of

01:25:35.000 seems to struggle with it when it when they get it well i think i think we're at a time where

01:25:40.420 there's never been as much coverage of things yeah there's never been we've never been in this time

01:25:45.640 before yeah as society we've had people that have had popularity and fame over years right

01:25:50.440 or have achieved different amazing things or interesting things um but we've never had this

01:25:56.680 much coverage this much uh i think this much reflection of ourselves maybe um so and i think

01:26:05.020 people are suffering from it at all i think i think it's a little bit of people are dealing with that at

01:26:10.100 all levels yeah you know at all levels of their lives but it is kind of fascinating because

01:26:14.000 every every generation you're into a new experience so how does fame fit in this world

01:26:20.420 when the reflection in the in the pond has gotten so much bigger yeah 100 yeah man but yeah something

01:26:26.180 upbeat like if you guys and james blake did like a trap just something like fucking you know because

01:26:30.200 he does like some i'm just thinking of interesting things that i like but i'll have to check out sam

01:26:34.020 fender um let me think i want to ask you another oh do you have a brother you have a brother i got two

01:26:39.200 brothers and a sister i'm the youngest of four and what are they like they're good man they're great

01:26:43.420 my my obviously my we're all two years apart so okay yeah same in my family yeah yeah so um how

01:26:49.560 many how many are you four total two and two oh is it yeah yeah yeah any hardies in your in your

01:26:55.500 it's an old american joke yeah yeah it's an old catholic joke i'm catholic as well oh yeah

01:27:02.740 but oh that's us oh there you go right there you go that's me on the left there with the big ears

01:27:12.540 oh there you go christ i got some myself lad yeah there you go oh yeah that's a good noise to make

01:27:20.000 we'll be fine oh mine can hear yours i think mine are bigger okay take me left to right that's you

01:27:27.080 right there and when's this picture taken do you know uh i must be about two there so maybe like

01:27:31.780 1998 1999 maybe i don't know i'm totally fucking guessing but that's my sister danny there

01:27:38.840 that's my brother warden warden warden oh wow w-a-r-r-e-n oh warden warden uh and that's

01:27:46.680 aiden on the right there um but yeah they're great like i love them what are they like what

01:27:51.340 does danny like to do uh she likes she's a very social person she's very outgoing very funny oh

01:27:57.740 beautiful lady yeah they are um and uh yeah they're all uh yeah they're all great like we get on

01:28:04.880 and what about warren is he all right yeah he's great he's uh he he was a musician so he kind of

01:28:09.420 got me into sort of uh music and stuff like that he was sort of the um i guess the catalyst for all

01:28:15.120 yeah and he was the older brother he's the oldest oh everybody wants to be like their older brother

01:28:18.960 yeah yeah of course man he's uh yeah he's amazing he's a great guy and um aiden as well the closest

01:28:23.840 me and aiden used to share a room so we're probably like i'd say maybe the closest of the four of us

01:28:28.080 but it's a weird it's an interesting one because it's like i'd do obviously we'd do anything but if

01:28:32.240 one of them phoned me and was like do you want to go for a beer i'd be like what's happened

01:28:35.440 what's going on here so that sort of relationship but they're uh but yeah they're great it's amazing

01:28:41.780 very very close family than my mom and dad as well yeah it's a really um yeah it's a nice uh sort of

01:28:47.700 support network yeah i saw some of your family on the documentary i think yes on netflix it was pretty

01:28:53.480 cool to see yeah man yeah they're great my dad and my mom are very um no nonsense like

01:28:59.120 um yeah working class they're scots yeah proper proper proper um yeah just salt of the earth

01:29:07.040 people and i feel like that's really helped in my like they are very self-deprecating we all take

01:29:12.480 the piss out of each other stuff like that so it feels um yeah that's really sort of shaped i guess

01:29:18.240 who i am these days do you know what i mean but it's they're they're great it's amazing to have them

01:29:23.700 because i speak to them most my mom and dad especially i speak to them most most days yeah

01:29:27.780 yeah yeah i tried to anyway um but yeah it's um they're great nice man yeah it's nice to include

01:29:34.160 them too yeah um you were working with better help i want to do want to say that before you leave

01:29:38.140 because they they sponsor our program a lot and we'll have them in this episode too yeah um but you

01:29:43.520 are working with better help to give away yeah 70 734 000 free hours of therapy is the thing it was

01:29:50.960 like so it's um an hour a thousand hours for every single day that i took off um and i was away from

01:29:58.260 you know touring and all the rest of it uh i just feel like therapy was such a positive experience for

01:30:03.120 me and things that i did uh and really yeah just really made me feel quite um it's just got me back

01:30:10.560 to where i want yeah i mean we're talking about it something it's part of your life now yeah and i feel

01:30:14.040 like if i can sort of give people because i don't necessarily think therapy is for everybody

01:30:19.580 at all some things are better left in a box under the bed you know i mean i think yeah talking about

01:30:24.480 you ireland yeah this is a joke what the shame in ireland fuck they should have a fucking they

01:30:29.960 should have a catholic guilt the catholic guilt yeah they should have they should be ireland should be

01:30:34.520 sponsored by better help but yeah no and i feel like if i could um open up any sort of door for

01:30:41.240 someone to try therapy for the first time or get because it's sometimes it's expensive as well and

01:30:45.900 oh yeah and it's in the uk obviously we got the nhs free health care but sometimes that's like

01:30:51.140 overrun at the minute and people are really struggling to get seen and and get therapy

01:30:56.380 through the nhs and stuff sometimes and people might not have the means to go private or what else

01:31:00.300 so um so yeah it was just one of these things in fact got fucking shout out to better help for being

01:31:04.620 up for it and being sort of um yeah being so forthcoming and being sound enough to to do the

01:31:12.560 to do this with us i think it's um yeah hopefully it helps some people and yeah that's the even just

01:31:18.560 having that first experience with therapy you know and learning what it's about and then also not

01:31:22.660 feeling like okay now i have a therapist that this has to be perfect it's just like a relationship in

01:31:27.800 life you try and find a good relationship you find one that fits but you also don't want one that

01:31:32.760 fits too great because then it can just be a place of comfort where um you know you're like i liked a

01:31:39.840 little bit of conflict with my therapist because then i would be like there would be times i'd be

01:31:43.600 sitting with my therapist and i'd be like i would want to say like at first i'd be like i want i didn't

01:31:48.460 like what they just said right say they said something i don't like what they said yeah but

01:31:52.540 instead of saying that i would just get quiet yeah right but then finally one day i was like i didn't

01:31:57.080 like what you just said to me yeah right and then they were like okay that's great right

01:32:02.380 let's work with that yeah you know opens up a conversation and right but instead i'd always

01:32:07.100 been this other way like oh i shouldn't want to hurt their feeling or this type of thing you know

01:32:10.820 exactly but once i was able to change and i realized oh that's their job their job is

01:32:15.660 yes they're they're hoping for that because it gives them something to work with i was operating

01:32:21.200 with this different thing like oh everything's supposed to be completely kind of copacetic you know

01:32:25.680 yeah for sure man um what else did i want to say that's about it you have a tour well i could talk

01:32:31.620 to you forever man yeah man thank you so much for having us on i really appreciate it yeah dude it's

01:32:35.680 so cool i was so excited about this man i think a couple years ago we started kind of dming each

01:32:40.120 other and stuff and uh i just like yeah thank you so much for all the music that helps us feel you

01:32:45.160 know yeah man no thank you for fucking everything you do like this podcast like i'm i'm listening

01:32:49.160 every week so it's like a oh class man exactly exactly that's uh no but it has been uh really

01:32:54.420 fucking helpful for me in times as well so i really appreciate it you bet dude yeah i can't even

01:32:58.780 believe we get to do this shit you know um this great shit it's great shit yeah sorry god but no

01:33:05.940 dude it's uh yeah it's cool dude it's just it's cool that we get to sit here and talk about this

01:33:10.760 stuff and and um yeah i'm excited for the new tour so are you you you're about to go to australia right

01:33:15.780 i go yeah i've just announced the australia tour we've got a uk tour in september as well

01:33:20.040 and was this stuff that was on the docket you had to cancel it before the australia tour is almost

01:33:25.000 the exact same tour that we cancelled but um so yeah that's that one but the uk is just a fresh

01:33:31.180 one sort of get us tuned up a bit and get us back into the swing of things and then yeah hopefully

01:33:35.540 america next year and do some bits and bobs and i just want to do as much as fucking possible i'm

01:33:40.820 like i'm back now and i really want to just dig in a bit yeah and get things fucking

01:33:45.540 get things going again so um yeah man i'm fucking excited well as fans we'll be here when you get to

01:33:51.460 us you know so don't you know don't feel like you gotta you know welcome back yeah man or whatever

01:33:56.760 i don't what the fuck am i talking about i don't know shit uh yeah i think everybody's just glad

01:34:01.900 you're feeling good and uh excited to hear what you do you know and whatever you don't do you're

01:34:07.480 already great man thank you man yeah louis capaldi man thank you brother thank you to your man

01:34:11.920 honestly what a pleasure yeah cheers and margaret margaret not melissa sorry mum for forgetting

01:34:18.100 that yeah godspeed woman now i'm just floating on the breeze and i feel i'm falling like these

01:34:28.520 leaves i must be cornerstone oh but when i reach that ground i'll share this peace of mind i found i can

01:34:40.220 feel it in my bones but it's gonna tell you

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This Past Weekend with Theo Von - July 15, 2025

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