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00:00:32.900 Today's guest is a legendary actor, author, thought leader,

00:00:37.740 just a real vibe curator.

00:00:40.740 He has a new book out called Poems and Prayers.

00:00:44.580 We had a great time down here in Austin getting to know each other.

00:00:48.580 Today's guest is Mr. Matthew McConaughey.

00:00:56.600 Glad to be here.

00:01:07.920 Yeah, thank you so much, Matthew. Nice to meet you, man.

00:01:10.100 You too, bud.

00:01:10.960 Where are you from?

00:01:11.740 I'm from Louisiana.

00:01:12.740 Which part?

00:01:13.360 I'm from Covington, Louisiana, down there,

00:01:15.700 about 40 miles north of New Orleans.

00:01:17.980 Okay.

00:01:18.240 I love Louisiana, where the weeds grow a little taller

00:01:24.460 and the chassis is just a touch looser.

00:01:27.240 But my family, my dad's mother, the Maitlands,

00:01:32.380 had a school in Morgan City,

00:01:34.580 so we would go to Morgan City every year for the Shrimp Festival.

00:01:37.240 My dad grew up later, lived in a city park outside of New Orleans.

00:01:41.340 And my best friend, who's since passed away,

00:01:44.340 was from Zachary, Louisiana.

00:01:46.100 And I've always, I was raised in East Texas,

00:01:50.940 so that Louisiana humidity bleeds over a little bit

00:01:54.140 over the border there, you know?

00:01:55.660 Oh, yeah.

00:01:55.940 It's like somebody just exhaling a big,

00:01:57.560 hit a cigarette smoke over there.

00:01:59.340 We used to hit Hearst Coliseum, man,

00:02:01.260 because you could drink at 18 and get over there for,

00:02:04.340 my first concert was Rat.

00:02:06.240 Yeah.

00:02:06.840 Remember that?

00:02:07.740 R-A-T-T?

00:02:08.640 R-A-T-T, man.

00:02:10.180 Yeah, dude.

00:02:10.980 Laying down, round and round.

00:02:12.700 Yeah.

00:02:13.160 And I'd go to WWE matches over there.

00:02:15.240 Bro, you were in the best place for wrestling.

00:02:17.900 Yeah.

00:02:18.700 I got kicked out of Hearst Coliseum twice.

00:02:21.360 You got kicked out of it two times?

00:02:22.780 Two times, which is tough to do.

00:02:24.460 Yeah.

00:02:25.000 But if you spit a loogie on King Kong Bundy,

00:02:28.980 when he's coming to the ring,

00:02:32.060 yes, they will try to kick you out.

00:02:34.560 But then you get put, you get kicked out,

00:02:37.020 and there is a window on the exterior of Hirsch here

00:02:39.900 that goes to one of the bathrooms from which I snuck back in.

00:02:44.420 And then I had a hidden, a bag of rotten tomatoes,

00:02:50.160 and I pelted Skandar Akbar from the stands

00:02:55.340 and got kicked out of the bathroom.

00:02:57.180 Dang, that's awesome, dude.

00:02:59.540 Bro, they should have paid you for being there.

00:03:01.440 Bro, you're helping from the crowd.

00:03:03.560 Bring up Skandar Akbar.

00:03:05.640 There he is.

00:03:06.520 Yeah.

00:03:08.300 God.

00:03:08.920 Remember, that was the bad guy at that time.

00:03:12.300 Always, dude.

00:03:12.980 They always had that little kind of cheeky bad guy, you know?

00:03:15.940 Yeah.

00:03:17.060 We had Kevin Von Erich on here.

00:03:19.180 Oh, there we go.

00:03:19.920 And that was pretty special, man.

00:03:21.560 Yeah, that's cool.

00:03:22.000 I loved wrestling at that time.

00:03:23.820 It was so fun, man.

00:03:25.300 Hacksaw Jim Duggan was my guy.

00:03:26.940 Yeah.

00:03:27.320 Yeah.

00:03:28.680 I'm out with a two-by-four.

00:03:29.940 Yeah.

00:03:30.340 I saw him.

00:03:31.040 I went to Terry, I went to Hulk Hogan's funeral,

00:03:35.320 and Hacksaw was there.

00:03:36.160 Yeah, there we go.

00:03:36.860 It was pretty cool, man.

00:03:38.200 All my heroes were there.

00:03:39.740 Like, I had figurines of them at home,

00:03:41.320 and the figurines are taller these days,

00:03:43.480 and half of them are a lot of guys, like, in wheelchairs.

00:03:45.700 It was kind of tough to see,

00:03:46.880 because you see, like, just the remnants of these heroes,

00:03:50.760 kind of like the stained statues in a way, you know?

00:03:53.600 It was pretty, it was magnificent and weird, you know?

00:03:57.800 It's like, it was beautiful and sad.

00:03:59.740 It's like, you almost want to pretend

00:04:01.640 that things are just in a certain place in time, you know?

00:04:04.140 Your book kind of goes into some stuff like that.

00:04:06.080 Yeah.

00:04:06.640 Were you an Evel Knievel fan?

00:04:08.600 I didn't get into him much.

00:04:10.440 We'd see him, like, I think I saw him do one jump,

00:04:12.880 but that might have been just a touch

00:04:13.960 before I was, like, kind of awake to the world.

00:04:16.520 I got into it because my brother turned me on to him,

00:04:19.140 my older brother, Pat.

00:04:20.960 Anyway, I was just thinking about, you know,

00:04:23.600 fallen heroes and icons that, you know,

00:04:26.080 I got to know him later in his life when...

00:04:28.260 Evil?

00:04:28.920 Yeah.

00:04:29.460 Got to know him pretty doggone well, man.

00:04:31.880 I was trying to, you know,

00:04:32.940 there's still a story out there to be told on him,

00:04:35.820 a movie to be made.

00:04:37.440 And I was around it and developing it for 25 years.

00:04:42.320 And, yeah, there we are, spoke at his funeral.

00:04:47.080 No way, that's so cool.

00:04:48.800 Yeah.

00:04:49.120 What kind of guy was he?

00:04:50.300 Oh, man, you know, he did not,

00:04:53.160 people, the misconception are like,

00:04:54.660 he had a death wish.

00:04:55.380 He didn't have a death wish.

00:04:56.120 He had a life wish, dude.

00:04:57.460 He was, as he said,

00:04:59.160 he needed to jump because he needed to sweat in his boots.

00:05:04.080 It was almost like,

00:05:06.700 I think his,

00:05:07.840 when he got on the bike

00:05:09.200 and put his hands on the handlebar,

00:05:11.860 I think his pulse went down.

00:05:14.280 Meaning, you know how there's certain boxers

00:05:18.400 that get the shit beat out of him

00:05:20.400 and they're like,

00:05:20.780 dude, you're taking four fights a year.

00:05:22.300 It's too many.

00:05:22.880 And they're like,

00:05:23.300 tell you, no, I have to.

00:05:24.580 My life outside when I don't have

00:05:26.440 to train or get ready for fights,

00:05:28.680 tougher on me.

00:05:29.500 It's too scary.

00:05:30.080 A lot of guys say that.

00:05:30.980 You know?

00:05:31.300 And I think he will,

00:05:32.700 he would always say like,

00:05:33.960 hey, he wouldn't postpone any jump.

00:05:35.880 Even if it was impractical.

00:05:37.060 Even if his engineer's like,

00:05:38.000 dude, you're not going to make it.

00:05:39.640 He was like,

00:05:40.240 well, the American people want.

00:05:42.060 And they paid their tickets

00:05:43.500 and they're going to show up on time.

00:05:44.640 We're going to do this.

00:05:45.420 I mean, I think part of that for him,

00:05:47.060 my opinion is that he was like,

00:05:48.900 no, I got it.

00:05:49.580 I have to jump.

00:05:50.700 Right.

00:05:51.320 I can't postpone these things.

00:05:53.680 Well, also to have that level of integrity

00:05:55.280 with time itself,

00:05:56.440 with the clock of life, right?

00:05:57.940 Yeah.

00:05:58.160 To be like,

00:05:58.940 because I've postponed things.

00:06:00.380 I'll feed you.

00:06:00.940 I'll be 10 minutes late.

00:06:01.900 I'm going to be 15, 20.

00:06:03.040 But to say,

00:06:03.860 to tell time,

00:06:04.940 to tell like existence,

00:06:06.760 I'm going to be there

00:06:07.480 and meet existence right there.

00:06:10.020 That's pretty ballsy.

00:06:11.000 I mean,

00:06:11.740 these days it's super ballsy,

00:06:13.860 but yeah.

00:06:14.560 I mean,

00:06:14.780 it's just,

00:06:15.100 I think it's a ballsy thing

00:06:15.960 for anybody to do.

00:06:17.440 But he was like Red Bull

00:06:18.840 before they made a damn liquid.

00:06:20.420 Remember?

00:06:20.660 I mean, he was.

00:06:21.580 Hell yeah.

00:06:22.060 People would tune in

00:06:22.800 to feel something.

00:06:23.460 All the extreme sports, you know?

00:06:24.280 I remember people just in the yard,

00:06:26.180 if he was going to jump one night,

00:06:27.580 they'd have people out in the yard

00:06:28.620 fucking drinking Dr. Pepper

00:06:30.520 and fucking just massaging

00:06:31.960 each other's shoulders.

00:06:33.440 Pulled.

00:06:34.340 Oh, yeah.

00:06:35.040 And the thing,

00:06:35.660 you know what happened,

00:06:36.400 what got kind of sad,

00:06:38.420 but it's just true,

00:06:39.760 towards,

00:06:40.160 end of his career,

00:06:41.840 and I saw this

00:06:42.480 with this,

00:06:43.400 it happened with his son

00:06:44.320 as a jump too,

00:06:45.200 is people started,

00:06:46.920 it first came,

00:06:47.860 wow,

00:06:48.180 he made the jump.

00:06:49.640 Wow.

00:06:50.040 Then it became like,

00:06:52.980 I'm coming for the wreck.

00:06:55.560 I'm coming for the crash.

00:06:57.920 And I've been to jumps where,

00:07:00.420 you know,

00:07:00.660 because he always come out first,

00:07:01.700 right?

00:07:02.060 There's the ramp.

00:07:02.760 Here we go.

00:07:03.120 He's just bypassing.

00:07:06.400 Yeah.

00:07:06.580 You got a little tease.

00:07:07.480 Yeah.

00:07:07.720 You got to do a couple of run-arounds,

00:07:08.920 get everyone going.

00:07:09.520 Get the bra off a little.

00:07:10.260 And then he's getting the crowd going up

00:07:11.680 and they're all just,

00:07:12.300 you know,

00:07:12.600 pulling down.

00:07:13.760 Here we go.

00:07:14.380 And then he does it.

00:07:15.060 Boom.

00:07:15.280 And soon as lands

00:07:16.540 and makes it,

00:07:17.620 it's almost like,

00:07:18.380 I saw so many people like,

00:07:20.580 oh shit.

00:07:21.380 Yeah.

00:07:21.920 Stomp the cigarette out,

00:07:23.380 throw that Dr. Pepper

00:07:24.120 in the trash can to leave.

00:07:25.100 Yeah.

00:07:25.700 Dang it.

00:07:26.440 You know?

00:07:26.900 Yeah.

00:07:27.560 Good for him,

00:07:28.360 but yeah.

00:07:28.780 No,

00:07:28.960 but he made a,

00:07:30.020 he was a legendary cowboy,

00:07:33.580 man.

00:07:34.480 Let's look at one of these.

00:07:35.480 This is Caesar's Palace.

00:07:36.340 Oh,

00:07:36.540 and he created this.

00:07:38.800 He called,

00:07:39.600 he was in a motel

00:07:40.760 and called the head of Caesar's,

00:07:44.020 all right?

00:07:44.800 And said,

00:07:46.160 hey,

00:07:46.440 my name's,

00:07:47.080 you know,

00:07:47.760 Bobby Bernstein.

00:07:48.680 I'm with ABC Wide World of Sports.

00:07:50.480 I hear this guy,

00:07:51.300 Evel Neville,

00:07:51.800 is going to jump your fountain.

00:07:53.560 And they're like,

00:07:53.900 what are you talking about?

00:07:54.200 I don't remember Evel Neville.

00:07:55.080 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:07:56.520 Hung up the phone.

00:07:57.800 Called back.

00:07:58.620 Another voice impersonated.

00:08:00.220 I'm with Wide World of Sports.

00:08:01.780 His name's Bob Knott.

00:08:02.520 I hear this Evel Neville's going to,

00:08:04.160 he did it like three times.

00:08:05.360 And finally,

00:08:06.640 the guy on the other end of Caesar's

00:08:07.940 was like,

00:08:08.260 who the hell is this Evel Neville

00:08:09.600 Evel Neville guy?

00:08:10.360 Find him.

00:08:11.220 Right.

00:08:12.400 And they ended up calling back.

00:08:15.440 Evil answers his phone as evil

00:08:17.140 and goes,

00:08:18.600 yeah,

00:08:19.520 I'll do it.

00:08:20.580 And worked out the deal.

00:08:21.160 But he created that jump.

00:08:22.820 And this jump is,

00:08:24.120 look at the violence

00:08:25.180 after it.

00:08:26.180 I mean,

00:08:26.380 jumps the fountain.

00:08:27.620 And look at the crash,

00:08:28.680 man.

00:08:32.980 Boom.

00:08:34.140 Here we go.

00:08:34.640 Oh,

00:08:34.900 shit.

00:08:38.120 Oh,

00:08:39.200 can we talk impact?

00:08:40.780 F,

00:08:41.220 bro.

00:08:41.480 That's yeah.

00:08:42.480 There ain't no smoking mirrors

00:08:43.520 with that,

00:08:44.000 man.

00:08:44.340 There ain't no mattress

00:08:45.360 that's going to fix that.

00:08:46.400 No,

00:08:46.420 sir.

00:08:46.940 There ain't no posture.

00:08:47.780 That ain't AI.

00:08:48.600 You didn't fix that in post

00:08:51.080 to make it look worse.

00:08:52.080 Oh,

00:08:52.480 Evel.

00:08:55.020 Oh,

00:08:55.600 dude.

00:08:56.220 Yeah.

00:08:56.480 There was just something like,

00:08:58.020 there was something special

00:08:59.020 about that time

00:09:00.060 where it was like,

00:09:01.020 I don't know,

00:09:03.280 the moment meant

00:09:04.260 so much more.

00:09:05.980 You know,

00:09:06.180 there was something,

00:09:06.800 there used to be something

00:09:07.340 about the past

00:09:07.980 that the moment

00:09:08.780 you couldn't copy it

00:09:10.000 or you couldn't record it.

00:09:10.980 Like,

00:09:11.200 I think that's why

00:09:11.940 those times,

00:09:12.400 you talk about some of this

00:09:13.300 in your book,

00:09:13.840 man,

00:09:13.960 and it's like about time

00:09:15.780 and like,

00:09:16.160 God,

00:09:16.420 like the moments

00:09:17.480 of when I was a kid

00:09:18.300 or sitting there

00:09:18.840 laughing with my friends,

00:09:19.820 like the moment

00:09:20.840 was so much more real

00:09:22.080 because you were never

00:09:22.980 going to get it again.

00:09:23.800 Right.

00:09:24.200 And you didn't,

00:09:25.360 you couldn't necessarily

00:09:26.520 record it

00:09:27.200 and you sure as hell

00:09:27.800 couldn't share it.

00:09:28.840 There's a study on this,

00:09:30.100 man.

00:09:30.240 I don't know if I'm going to say

00:09:31.040 it's like 20 years ago

00:09:32.080 or 25.

00:09:34.000 The moment

00:09:34.800 was the biggest dopamine rush.

00:09:37.540 The jump,

00:09:38.620 the cresting of the mountain,

00:09:39.860 the pulling off

00:09:40.480 whatever you tried to pull off.

00:09:41.640 Yeah.

00:09:42.360 Scientifically measured,

00:09:43.080 the biggest dopamine hit.

00:09:46.000 Cameras

00:09:46.440 and,

00:09:46.760 you know,

00:09:47.700 mobile devices

00:09:48.440 and stuff come out.

00:09:49.880 It slowly turned to

00:09:52.020 the recording

00:09:53.500 of the moment,

00:09:55.600 the snapshot.

00:09:57.920 Okay.

00:09:58.620 Not the cresting

00:10:00.000 of the hill,

00:10:00.980 but we just recorded it.

00:10:02.660 The ownership of the moment.

00:10:03.760 The ownership of the moment,

00:10:04.520 right?

00:10:05.380 And then

00:10:06.240 what has happened now

00:10:07.980 and has been around

00:10:08.380 for 25 years,

00:10:09.380 the biggest scientific

00:10:10.740 dopamine hit

00:10:11.400 that we get

00:10:11.960 as humans

00:10:12.480 is not

00:10:13.720 the doing

00:10:14.700 of the deed,

00:10:15.840 is not the recording

00:10:16.960 of the deed.

00:10:17.840 It is when we press

00:10:19.240 share.

00:10:23.700 Really?

00:10:24.300 Now that's

00:10:25.020 a little bit like

00:10:26.480 living in third person.

00:10:27.560 Like we're all running around

00:10:28.700 going,

00:10:29.060 my rush is not

00:10:29.940 when I run for a touchdown.

00:10:31.800 My rush is when I see myself

00:10:33.260 on the jumbotron

00:10:34.680 running for the touchdown.

00:10:37.880 And that's a,

00:10:38.620 that's a slippery slope,

00:10:40.360 man.

00:10:40.600 You know what I mean?

00:10:41.700 Well,

00:10:41.920 it's slippery,

00:10:42.380 but it also seems hard

00:10:43.320 to even conceptualize

00:10:44.580 who I am then,

00:10:46.140 you know?

00:10:46.700 Yeah.

00:10:47.020 Am I myself?

00:10:48.620 Am I just a viewer

00:10:49.640 of myself now?

00:10:50.920 that's it.

00:10:51.440 We're much more,

00:10:52.160 much more voyeurs now.

00:10:53.780 Right.

00:10:54.220 And our identity

00:10:54.920 comes from being objective,

00:10:56.280 trying to look at ourself

00:10:57.640 from outside.

00:10:58.480 And now comes from,

00:10:59.800 well,

00:10:59.940 what did you think

00:11:00.780 of what I did

00:11:02.000 and how?

00:11:02.360 Yeah.

00:11:03.540 And that's the worst.

00:11:04.820 What did you think

00:11:05.600 of what I did?

00:11:06.460 Because that will be

00:11:07.340 who,

00:11:07.820 that'll be my definition

00:11:08.700 of who I am.

00:11:10.160 Yeah.

00:11:10.460 We got to watch that.

00:11:12.220 Dude,

00:11:12.360 my sponsor tells me,

00:11:13.200 he's like,

00:11:13.800 you're not who

00:11:14.720 they think you are.

00:11:15.820 You're not who you are

00:11:17.000 and you're not

00:11:17.900 who you think

00:11:18.760 they think you are.

00:11:20.440 Yeah.

00:11:21.360 I think I might,

00:11:22.060 I don't know

00:11:22.320 if I messed it up or not.

00:11:22.980 No,

00:11:23.180 but I hear you saying.

00:11:24.580 Yeah.

00:11:24.960 He's like,

00:11:25.620 but yeah,

00:11:26.500 it's just interesting

00:11:27.100 how that,

00:11:27.920 especially for these kids

00:11:28.800 these days,

00:11:29.240 man.

00:11:29.580 It's hard enough

00:11:30.100 as adults.

00:11:31.500 But I think as adults,

00:11:33.060 we put our thought process

00:11:35.820 onto them

00:11:36.360 and I think they live

00:11:37.520 in a different world

00:11:38.560 and realm

00:11:39.140 that we kind of

00:11:40.080 can't conceptualize

00:11:41.080 because they don't seem

00:11:41.980 as affected as,

00:11:43.600 you know what I'm saying?

00:11:44.140 And it's hard to even know.

00:11:45.620 No,

00:11:45.940 I hear you.

00:11:46.660 I hear you.

00:11:47.220 But I hear what you're saying too.

00:11:48.240 It's like.

00:11:49.460 I'm not trying to be

00:11:50.340 a dinosaur either.

00:11:51.360 I don't want to be

00:11:51.760 a dinosaur dad,

00:11:52.720 you know what I mean?

00:11:53.240 I don't want to be

00:11:53.780 one of those

00:11:54.140 when my kids are going,

00:11:55.000 geez,

00:11:55.500 yeah,

00:11:55.760 it sounds like,

00:11:56.760 you know,

00:11:57.340 give it another TED talk

00:11:58.480 from back in the,

00:11:59.140 but I hear you

00:12:01.000 because there's some things

00:12:01.940 that they're just with.

00:12:02.720 It's just part

00:12:03.260 of their vernacular.

00:12:04.480 This thing's an extension

00:12:05.640 of their arm,

00:12:06.900 that kind of sharing

00:12:07.860 and socializing.

00:12:08.580 What do you mean?

00:12:08.860 That's like having

00:12:09.380 a conversation.

00:12:10.240 And we're going,

00:12:11.200 I could say what I was,

00:12:12.340 you and I were just

00:12:12.800 talking about it

00:12:13.220 because they could

00:12:13.680 understand it.

00:12:14.320 They would go,

00:12:16.480 okay,

00:12:17.360 but that's not how it is.

00:12:19.820 Yeah.

00:12:20.280 You know?

00:12:20.720 Right.

00:12:21.840 It's,

00:12:22.100 I mean,

00:12:22.360 it's all kind of,

00:12:23.200 I mean,

00:12:23.440 it's all fascinating.

00:12:24.420 I mean,

00:12:24.680 even we were talking

00:12:25.500 about like,

00:12:26.140 I just got back

00:12:26.740 from the Ole Miss game.

00:12:27.680 I know you were at.

00:12:29.540 It was fun.

00:12:30.140 You guys are rolling,

00:12:30.900 man.

00:12:31.220 And Lane's doing

00:12:31.880 a great job

00:12:32.620 of keeping y'all

00:12:34.140 mentally in the right spot

00:12:35.580 with all this noise

00:12:36.500 about him going

00:12:37.180 to Florida

00:12:37.520 or elsewhere.

00:12:38.220 Yeah.

00:12:38.860 He big boyed it.

00:12:39.980 He big boyed it.

00:12:41.060 Look what do you mean?

00:12:41.920 Meaning he didn't go

00:12:43.040 the traditional,

00:12:44.680 no,

00:12:44.880 it's not true.

00:12:45.580 We want to keep it,

00:12:46.140 keep the noise out.

00:12:46.880 He went,

00:12:48.020 we got this,

00:12:48.580 I got this noise.

00:12:49.780 Y'all got this noise

00:12:50.560 because we're winning.

00:12:51.640 Yeah.

00:12:52.000 This is the noise

00:12:52.780 that's out there.

00:12:53.560 He talk,

00:12:54.160 he's talking to those

00:12:55.080 young men

00:12:55.600 like an adult

00:12:57.540 who's up with the times.

00:12:58.880 Yeah.

00:12:59.220 He's going,

00:12:59.780 this is part of it,

00:13:00.700 man.

00:13:00.760 Right.

00:13:01.360 This is part of it

00:13:02.460 and doing it

00:13:03.320 because we're doing good.

00:13:04.460 So let's do as well

00:13:05.320 as we can right now

00:13:06.040 and keep winning.

00:13:06.460 It's a great message

00:13:07.200 because your players

00:13:08.180 are going,

00:13:08.440 they get it now.

00:13:09.240 I think these players

00:13:09.900 get the portals,

00:13:12.020 the,

00:13:12.160 the,

00:13:12.380 the,

00:13:12.860 the,

00:13:13.160 the,

00:13:13.600 you're probably

00:13:14.900 not going to be playing

00:13:15.600 with the same guys

00:13:16.320 for three years straight.

00:13:18.360 Yeah.

00:13:18.580 Four years straight.

00:13:20.160 There's,

00:13:20.480 you can transfer in season.

00:13:22.160 You can go here.

00:13:22.860 I mean,

00:13:23.380 there's two portals now,

00:13:24.560 I think,

00:13:24.900 aren't there?

00:13:25.540 Aren't there two portals

00:13:26.580 during the season?

00:13:27.560 Um,

00:13:28.040 and I'm actually a van,

00:13:29.180 I'm a Vanderbilt fan,

00:13:30.280 but my,

00:13:30.960 but I'm friends with Lane

00:13:31.840 and,

00:13:32.740 uh,

00:13:32.940 and I grew up as an LSU fan.

00:13:34.480 Right.

00:13:35.020 And,

00:13:35.520 and,

00:13:35.680 and sometimes people are like,

00:13:36.580 sometimes they'll be like,

00:13:37.280 well,

00:13:37.380 you're a fair weather fan

00:13:38.400 or something.

00:13:38.700 I'm like,

00:13:39.140 but now like you're saying

00:13:40.300 there's kind of like,

00:13:40.980 it's like,

00:13:41.260 there's kind of like

00:13:41.820 fair weather franchises

00:13:43.020 in a way.

00:13:43.540 It's like they're changing

00:13:44.480 players so much

00:13:45.480 and things and that

00:13:46.160 and they expect you

00:13:47.060 to lock in

00:13:47.980 like,

00:13:48.740 uh,

00:13:48.900 like my dad did

00:13:49.820 or like I did

00:13:50.320 when we were kids.

00:13:51.040 It's like,

00:13:51.800 you,

00:13:52.780 if you buy a jersey,

00:13:53.520 the guy's gone

00:13:54.220 and,

00:13:54.480 you know,

00:13:54.700 things change so much.

00:13:55.980 So I think it's interesting

00:13:57.160 some of the expectations

00:13:58.320 sometimes out of fans,

00:13:59.560 you know?

00:14:00.800 Um,

00:14:00.940 well,

00:14:01.160 it's harder to create

00:14:02.500 as an organization,

00:14:03.880 as a team,

00:14:04.800 as a school,

00:14:05.500 uh,

00:14:07.460 as that,

00:14:08.620 that,

00:14:09.040 oh,

00:14:09.220 this is our brand

00:14:10.480 of football.

00:14:11.280 Last one to do it

00:14:12.240 in the pros

00:14:12.740 was what?

00:14:13.200 New England.

00:14:13.540 No matter who came

00:14:14.920 and went,

00:14:15.440 it was Belichick's way

00:14:16.900 of football.

00:14:17.860 It was Tom Brady,

00:14:18.640 quarterback.

00:14:19.340 Yeah.

00:14:19.620 Robert Kraft,

00:14:20.300 his own.

00:14:20.560 There was a certain way.

00:14:21.860 Remember,

00:14:22.100 people would come to,

00:14:22.940 studs would come to,

00:14:24.120 big names would come

00:14:24.920 to New England

00:14:25.980 and there wasn't a lot

00:14:26.620 of press about them

00:14:27.220 and all of a sudden

00:14:27.640 next week you're like,

00:14:28.400 oh,

00:14:28.500 they got dropped.

00:14:29.640 It wasn't a big,

00:14:30.300 no big fanfare.

00:14:31.140 It was like,

00:14:31.320 you didn't play our way?

00:14:32.320 That's,

00:14:32.860 you're kind of gone.

00:14:33.600 Right,

00:14:33.760 we're good if you're

00:14:34.400 not our way.

00:14:34.920 Our way is our way.

00:14:36.220 Yeah.

00:14:37.140 So now when you're

00:14:37.940 plugging in so many players

00:14:39.280 and we're going through

00:14:40.800 this with Austin FC,

00:14:42.560 our soccer club,

00:14:43.560 do we have a brand

00:14:44.860 of what they call

00:14:46.240 football soccer

00:14:47.220 that you,

00:14:48.400 this is how we play.

00:14:49.500 Coaches and players

00:14:50.380 can be plugged

00:14:50.960 into our system.

00:14:52.180 It's harder to do

00:14:53.100 because players

00:14:53.880 are moving around.

00:14:54.400 You get a,

00:14:54.960 we got a chance

00:14:55.560 to get this stud player.

00:14:56.560 Well,

00:14:56.920 if he's a running

00:14:57.700 option quarterback

00:14:58.620 and we've been running

00:14:59.600 traditional offense,

00:15:00.600 which is drop back,

00:15:01.880 be dumb not to update

00:15:03.300 the way we play offense.

00:15:05.180 Yeah.

00:15:05.500 You know what I mean?

00:15:06.020 Or whatever that is.

00:15:06.860 But you,

00:15:07.260 you have,

00:15:08.280 yeah,

00:15:08.660 how much are the expectations

00:15:10.140 for the brand

00:15:10.860 of how people play football

00:15:12.020 at certain schools?

00:15:13.160 Yeah.

00:15:13.540 You know,

00:15:14.500 I don't know.

00:15:15.060 What's the brand?

00:15:16.120 Who has a brand

00:15:17.100 of this is how you play?

00:15:19.140 It's a great question.

00:15:20.480 I mean,

00:15:20.640 in college football,

00:15:21.720 this is how we play

00:15:23.040 the expectations of how,

00:15:24.480 maybe the brand,

00:15:25.280 maybe the,

00:15:25.680 maybe the cultures

00:15:26.500 are similar

00:15:27.120 and you have,

00:15:28.460 this is,

00:15:28.760 this is an understood

00:15:29.560 whether it's aggressive,

00:15:31.500 violent or,

00:15:32.100 or finesse,

00:15:33.140 whatever,

00:15:33.600 whatever that is,

00:15:34.360 or we're going to have

00:15:34.900 a great defense.

00:15:35.780 Right.

00:15:36.120 No matter what.

00:15:38.320 Well,

00:15:38.540 Saban had one kind of,

00:15:39.520 Saban felt like

00:15:40.080 he had it.

00:15:40.540 He did.

00:15:41.000 I feel like Sarkeesian

00:15:42.000 is a guy that is very much,

00:15:44.040 he is the boss there.

00:15:45.600 Yes.

00:15:45.720 You know,

00:15:45.800 there's an energy there

00:15:46.740 with him that is very

00:15:48.120 cut and dried.

00:15:49.020 Yep.

00:15:50.080 You know,

00:15:50.580 but yeah,

00:15:50.800 when I was growing up,

00:15:51.400 it was like Pittsburgh

00:15:52.180 kind of had the defense,

00:15:53.720 you know,

00:15:53.920 Baltimore had a defense.

00:15:55.700 There was a toughness

00:15:56.680 about those places.

00:15:58.060 You had San Francisco

00:15:59.420 that was always

00:16:00.060 a great passing attack.

00:16:01.860 Yeah.

00:16:02.240 I don't know.

00:16:02.820 I guess like.

00:16:04.660 Yeah.

00:16:04.860 If you have

00:16:05.820 Earl Campbell

00:16:07.340 back there for Houston

00:16:08.340 or you have,

00:16:08.980 what's the guy for

00:16:09.620 big boy out of Alabama

00:16:11.360 for Baltimore?

00:16:12.620 Oh,

00:16:13.120 Derrick Henry.

00:16:13.680 If you have them,

00:16:14.540 you've gone,

00:16:14.960 okay,

00:16:15.280 we're going to be

00:16:15.800 a running team.

00:16:16.520 Yeah.

00:16:17.000 Yeah.

00:16:17.580 Yeah.

00:16:18.200 Okay.

00:16:18.780 You know what I mean?

00:16:19.880 Have you ever heard

00:16:20.360 that bum Phillips quote

00:16:21.540 on Earl Campbell?

00:16:23.820 I don't know what list

00:16:24.580 of y'all remember

00:16:25.140 Earl Campbell

00:16:25.700 out of the Tyler Rose.

00:16:26.700 Oh yeah,

00:16:26.940 he played for Dallas

00:16:28.880 too,

00:16:29.120 didn't hear now.

00:16:29.740 No,

00:16:30.000 Houston.

00:16:30.260 He played for Houston.

00:16:30.980 Yeah,

00:16:31.180 the Oilers at that time.

00:16:32.340 Oh yeah,

00:16:32.760 the Oilers ended up

00:16:33.480 in Tennessee.

00:16:34.080 That's where I live now.

00:16:34.560 They ended up in Nashville.

00:16:35.540 So,

00:16:36.600 they would give,

00:16:37.540 bum Phillips was the coach

00:16:38.640 and he would give

00:16:40.200 Earl the ball

00:16:41.260 like 35 times a game.

00:16:43.840 Yeah.

00:16:44.700 And reports started

00:16:45.920 coming out and going,

00:16:46.540 man,

00:16:46.660 are you worried

00:16:47.320 about the wear and tear

00:16:49.020 on Earl

00:16:50.320 giving him the ball

00:16:51.080 that often?

00:16:52.180 Bum says,

00:16:53.060 no,

00:16:53.540 not really.

00:16:53.980 That ball ain't that heavy.

00:17:00.220 That's awesome.

00:17:01.220 Well,

00:17:01.660 you used to have

00:17:02.160 just so many

00:17:02.680 good personalities.

00:17:04.100 There's a Jim Mora

00:17:05.180 talking to reporters.

00:17:06.140 Will you look it up?

00:17:07.420 Saints,

00:17:07.960 Jim Mora.

00:17:08.860 Playoffs.

00:17:09.300 This is even before that.

00:17:10.400 Oh,

00:17:10.420 it is?

00:17:10.740 Oh yeah,

00:17:11.320 bro.

00:17:11.600 Wait till you see this.

00:17:12.620 He's talking about his team.

00:17:14.920 But yeah,

00:17:15.460 playoffs.

00:17:16.480 He was great,

00:17:17.560 man.

00:17:18.440 Watch this.

00:17:19.120 Listen to this.

00:17:19.740 This is crazy.

00:17:21.220 Jim,

00:17:21.560 obviously you're not happy.

00:17:22.820 Oh,

00:17:23.140 we got our ass kicked.

00:17:24.000 We got our ass kicked.

00:17:26.480 It was,

00:17:26.700 it was,

00:17:27.040 it was sickening.

00:17:28.680 First three,

00:17:31.120 we have 18 plays on offense.

00:17:32.800 First 18 plays,

00:17:33.600 we turn the ball over,

00:17:34.440 one for a touchdown.

00:17:35.500 The other one's going to set up a touchdown.

00:17:38.140 We can't,

00:17:38.540 you know,

00:17:38.720 we got backs that can't hang on to the ball.

00:17:40.580 They out hit us.

00:17:41.240 They out toughed us.

00:17:42.400 You know,

00:17:42.540 we stunk today.

00:17:43.800 We're not even close between that football team and our football team.

00:17:46.760 Not even close.

00:17:48.800 Ridiculous.

00:17:49.380 We run two screens.

00:17:50.400 We don't block anybody.

00:17:51.340 We get it back.

00:17:52.120 Gets his knee blown out on one of them.

00:17:54.020 Couldn't block anybody.

00:17:55.800 We stunk.

00:17:57.160 Just stunk.

00:17:59.460 Some injuries.

00:18:00.320 I think it.

00:18:00.980 I,

00:18:01.280 I,

00:18:01.520 I,

00:18:01.740 Dean told him he blew his knee out.

00:18:03.860 You know,

00:18:04.340 you got to block people on a screen.

00:18:05.760 Shit.

00:18:05.920 He gets the ball out there and two guys,

00:18:08.060 big old animals nail his ass.

00:18:10.260 Shit.

00:18:11.000 It's ridiculous.

00:18:12.600 We run a screen before that.

00:18:14.020 We get our ass nailed.

00:18:16.040 Shit.

00:18:16.400 What about scales?

00:18:17.000 I don't know.

00:18:18.960 I don't know.

00:18:19.500 You know,

00:18:20.200 Dean said he couldn't put any weight on his leg.

00:18:22.040 That doesn't sound too good to me.

00:18:23.660 We're down,

00:18:24.380 you know,

00:18:24.640 we're down and back.

00:18:25.460 We're down and everything.

00:18:26.200 We,

00:18:26.300 we,

00:18:26.540 we,

00:18:26.740 we,

00:18:26.880 you know,

00:18:27.120 shit.

00:18:27.480 We don't have enough people right now.

00:18:29.640 It'll be hard to practice next week.

00:18:31.180 There you go.

00:18:31.620 There's not many of them out there.

00:18:32.880 I mean,

00:18:33.260 you know,

00:18:33.460 I missed my friend Mike Leach watching that.

00:18:36.080 Yeah.

00:18:36.760 You know,

00:18:37.280 that guy.

00:18:37.820 Oh,

00:18:38.160 that guy was great.

00:18:39.540 What was he at?

00:18:40.820 Oklahoma state?

00:18:41.600 Texas tech.

00:18:42.640 Oh,

00:18:43.040 Texas tech.

00:18:43.800 Cliff Kingsbury country.

00:18:45.620 Have you heard the one amount that after they went and go,

00:18:47.820 yeah,

00:18:47.940 there are players sitting out there and I'm in the river on a blanket.

00:18:52.920 Fat little girlfriends.

00:18:54.500 Oh,

00:18:54.960 bring up Mike Leach,

00:18:55.880 fat little girlfriends.

00:18:56.800 Listen to this.

00:18:58.660 Telling them how great they are.

00:19:00.500 Yeah,

00:19:00.980 that's so true.

00:19:04.860 This guy's classic.

00:19:07.620 As coaches,

00:19:08.500 we failed to get through to them.

00:19:09.640 As coaches,

00:19:10.940 we failed to make our coaching points and our points more compelling than their fat little girlfriends.

00:19:16.880 Now their fat little girlfriends have some obvious advantages.

00:19:20.220 For one thing,

00:19:20.960 their fat little girlfriends are telling them what they want to hear,

00:19:23.440 which is how great you are and how,

00:19:25.820 how easy it's going to be and how,

00:19:28.700 you know,

00:19:29.520 you know,

00:19:30.300 we,

00:19:30.540 you know,

00:19:31.320 we had a whole bunch of people.

00:19:32.500 Everybody wanted to win the football game,

00:19:34.320 but nobody wanted to play the football game.

00:19:36.380 Well,

00:19:36.600 I mean,

00:19:37.200 that defies every level of work ethic that exists with regard to football.

00:19:41.980 And as coaches,

00:19:43.480 we have to solve our failure on,

00:19:45.260 on reaching them.

00:19:46.440 and the players have to listen.

00:19:49.100 And I,

00:19:49.420 I'm willing to go to a fairly amazing lengths to try to make that happen.

00:19:54.000 I don't know if I'll be successful this week or not,

00:19:56.160 but,

00:19:56.480 but you know,

00:19:58.060 I am going to try and there will be some people inconvenienced.

00:20:01.140 And if it happens to be their fat little girlfriends,

00:20:03.440 too bad.

00:20:04.580 That's awesome.

00:20:05.860 That's what we need.

00:20:06.840 I'll just,

00:20:07.320 just people to be brave enough to have a personality these days.

00:20:11.100 It's kind of interesting,

00:20:12.880 you know,

00:20:13.700 but check this out because I'm,

00:20:17.180 I'm with you.

00:20:17.900 That's entertaining.

00:20:19.520 It's smart.

00:20:20.120 It's an inside look.

00:20:21.320 It's Frank.

00:20:22.160 It's open.

00:20:23.240 You know,

00:20:23.740 people call it politically incorrect,

00:20:26.320 whatever.

00:20:26.700 Forget all that.

00:20:27.560 It's,

00:20:28.000 it's,

00:20:28.120 it's in the moment.

00:20:29.080 It's great hearing somebody be honest in the moment with some color.

00:20:34.320 But I also look at people like a great franchise,

00:20:40.320 Bill Belichick.

00:20:41.560 Says nothing.

00:20:42.800 Do your job.

00:20:44.100 Do your job.

00:20:45.560 That's it.

00:20:47.820 Great coach of the Spurs.

00:20:50.240 Oh,

00:20:50.820 Popovich.

00:20:51.900 Yeah,

00:20:52.180 Pop.

00:20:53.940 Cuts off interview.

00:20:55.160 Uh-uh.

00:20:56.580 Yep.

00:20:57.160 No.

00:20:57.780 You saw it.

00:20:58.740 Thank you.

00:20:59.880 Bam.

00:21:00.820 So there is something that they keep noise out because they don't give any

00:21:06.420 color commentation.

00:21:07.660 Yeah.

00:21:07.880 And is there something about that that is a stability?

00:21:11.100 Within a franchise that your head coach is going to handle all that color

00:21:17.080 behind closed doors or just stay on that line.

00:21:20.160 Keep it super simple.

00:21:20.940 Do your job.

00:21:21.540 Do your job.

00:21:21.960 You didn't do your job.

00:21:22.840 You're out.

00:21:23.460 Yeah.

00:21:23.840 Going to get someone in.

00:21:24.540 Can do your job.

00:21:25.100 I know it's much more complicated than that.

00:21:27.720 They're running X's and O's and everything.

00:21:30.460 But this is another question.

00:21:31.780 And look at college football, which is why I like college more than pro.

00:21:34.360 So much.

00:21:35.420 So our great, great legendary Texas coach, Darryl K. Royal, told me one time, he goes,

00:21:42.760 Matthew, you can get the maximum potential out of your team three Saturdays a season.

00:21:48.620 I believe it was number three Saturdays out of a season.

00:21:50.940 So at that time you had 10, so you got 12 now.

00:21:53.160 So now maybe you say you can get four.

00:21:56.380 Boy, there's an awesome black hole there to fill for the psychology.

00:22:01.980 That's all psychology.

00:22:03.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:22:03.500 He goes, you hope you have, you coach to have your team at peak, for one of those peak three

00:22:09.420 weekends against the best teams.

00:22:11.060 And then you hope they're just play kind of all right against the all right competition

00:22:16.780 and then have their worst days against competition they should beat anyway.

00:22:20.260 They should just roll.

00:22:21.660 But boy, if three, I'm still curious.

00:22:24.300 I think the, what if you got a coach right now, if you could get six top peak performance

00:22:30.520 Saturdays, seven?

00:22:34.040 I mean, because you got, I'm asking for three hours.

00:22:37.100 I'm asking for, I'm asking for 36 hours a season for you to be mentally and physically

00:22:43.980 and spiritually on the edge and locked in.

00:22:48.100 And there's an opportunity there.

00:22:49.660 Is that what I'm saying?

00:22:50.460 Oh, 100%.

00:22:51.300 And for somebody to even see that there is an opportunity there, right?

00:22:54.720 Because sometimes you might just look at life and be like, well, there's going to be highs

00:22:57.600 and lows, right?

00:22:58.260 Like you can have a great team, but yeah, you're only getting, you're not going to win every

00:23:01.740 single time.

00:23:02.360 So it's like those moments where you've had two great weeks in a row and like now the

00:23:07.620 spread is 17, but it's like, no, that's not the laws of life, right?

00:23:13.000 So how do you, how do you adjust what's realistically possible to weather that storm of that third

00:23:21.280 weekend where it's just, just the laws of the universe are not going to allow it to be

00:23:25.360 as perfect.

00:23:26.040 And balance how much, look, because sometimes you need, your team needs confidence.

00:23:34.620 You know, I remember talking to Mack Brown at practice after we, I don't know, 27 years

00:23:41.540 ago, we'd just come off like, I don't know, 45, nothing route to UCLA.

00:23:46.240 Beat them?

00:23:47.120 No, they routed us.

00:23:48.440 We were not good.

00:23:49.460 And that Tuesday practice or that Monday practice, it was like a completion for two

00:23:57.580 yards, a clean handoff that went for two yards.

00:24:02.200 We got to applaud that.

00:24:03.420 It was like, we applaud that.

00:24:04.340 It was like, man, I've got the team's, we're, we're, we need good clean handoffs and a reception

00:24:10.040 and a clean pass that wasn't intercept.

00:24:12.720 We have to build the confidence back up.

00:24:14.740 So sometimes you're there.

00:24:15.980 Other times you have such talent and they're so confident.

00:24:18.860 How do you keep them playing?

00:24:21.080 No, I'm not worried about your confidence.

00:24:23.340 I need to make sure you feel like an underdog against yourself.

00:24:26.180 Right.

00:24:26.380 Against your, the ability that you can play to because a great, a great teams are essentially

00:24:32.340 playing against themselves and how great they think they can be.

00:24:36.900 And that opponent is nothing but in my way to me being as great as I can be.

00:24:42.060 And that's, if you got that working, if you can flick that switch in you, howdy, howdy.

00:24:51.300 Well, in your own life, howdy, because I, this is something I think about a lot.

00:24:54.020 I think about confidence and ego.

00:24:55.260 Right.

00:24:55.780 And I've always had a tough time kind of, I've always had a tough time knowing what my feelings

00:25:00.080 are.

00:25:00.680 Like when I was growing up, I didn't have a lot of feelings, I think.

00:25:02.880 And so I didn't know what a lot of them were.

00:25:04.620 Yeah.

00:25:04.900 And then as I've gotten older, it's like.

00:25:06.560 You didn't have feelings or when you had feelings, you just didn't know what the hell

00:25:09.100 I didn't know what they were.

00:25:10.000 So I couldn't tell if I was like, um, have like instincts or uncertain, like, like what

00:25:15.700 was like, uh, like when it was making decisions, I couldn't tell what was instinctual or what

00:25:20.880 was me making a choice.

00:25:21.820 Just, I just had a, like, I just didn't have a lot of feelings when I was young.

00:25:25.860 And so it was kind of like a late bloomer in some of those worlds.

00:25:28.260 But one of the thing I struggle with sometimes still is just like ego and confidence.

00:25:33.100 You know, how do you know, you know what I'm saying?

00:25:34.900 Cause one can be super dangerous.

00:25:36.420 One is healthy.

00:25:37.360 Well, look, man, I think ego's gotten a bad rap.

00:25:41.940 This, you know, elimination of the ego, uh, you know, there's a difference to believe,

00:25:50.060 to go on.

00:25:52.440 I, I have confidence.

00:25:55.840 I have confidence.

00:25:57.880 Then there is, Oh, look at me.

00:25:59.760 The difference between I and me.

00:26:02.540 Me is the objective one, right?

00:26:04.300 Me is that jumbotron, the lawyer one where you're going like, Oh yeah, how do I look?

00:26:08.160 I look good.

00:26:08.680 There's where I get my confidence from something.

00:26:10.640 I saw myself outside of myself.

00:26:12.780 Confidence with the eye, which I think is true ego when we handle it, right?

00:26:16.680 Is I think extremely healthy.

00:26:18.340 It mean, man, it's like, it's like, uh, uh, judgment.

00:26:22.400 You got to have judgment or you have no identity.

00:26:25.960 And where do you get judgment from?

00:26:27.700 Well, part of that, I believe is part of the ego of, I am discerning because I prefer this

00:26:32.840 over that.

00:26:33.740 I expect this more than I expect that.

00:26:36.240 Experiences.

00:26:36.980 You know, uh, for myself or from others.

00:26:40.200 Um, now ego can get out of check when it gets into the look at me.

00:26:44.400 Yeah.

00:26:44.840 Uh, but when it's coming from the subjective place of like, no, I, I, I'm prepared for this.

00:26:51.780 This is what I'm fashioned to do.

00:26:53.360 I have the ability.

00:26:54.460 I'm capable and I'm willing.

00:26:56.200 I'm going to go do that.

00:26:58.140 And no one's going to judge myself harder than I'm going to judge myself because I believe

00:27:03.540 what I am capable of doing.

00:27:06.420 I mean, look, I've, I wrote about this and green license a little bit in poems and prayers.

00:27:11.600 Of course, these men, these roofs, these limitations we put on ourself, we make those up and that's

00:27:17.980 a cocky ass thing to do.

00:27:20.320 Who do we think we are?

00:27:21.920 To put limitations.

00:27:22.940 To put these roofs on our, on our, on our ability.

00:27:27.520 If we have that ability.

00:27:28.940 Now, now we get into what's humility.

00:27:32.460 Humility, which is a word I had trouble with because growing up, especially in religion,

00:27:37.540 humility, I always, always, always kind of cowered my head kind of, my, my, my, my shoulders

00:27:42.160 came forward.

00:27:42.920 My head kind of got down and I, and I didn't know how to have confidence with humility.

00:27:47.140 How do you have confidence and be humble?

00:27:49.360 And then I heard a new definition of humility or being humble, admitting that we have more

00:27:56.020 to learn.

00:27:57.040 Now that definition, all of a sudden my shoulders backed up.

00:28:00.060 My head went high.

00:28:00.720 I said, oh, I can dig that.

00:28:01.860 I'm in.

00:28:02.540 I have more to learn.

00:28:03.720 Because that's an active humility.

00:28:05.380 Now I'm, now I'm going forward.

00:28:06.940 It's affirmative.

00:28:07.960 Right.

00:28:08.240 I can still be graceful, still be empathetic and listen, but I, but, but I'm not.

00:28:12.700 And it's retreating.

00:28:13.980 Like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not, you know.

00:28:15.220 Yes.

00:28:15.680 I'm not, I'm not, I'm not being passive necessarily.

00:28:20.500 I think we got to have a healthy ego.

00:28:22.240 Empowering and empowering, taking on of knowledge and admitting you have more to learn.

00:28:27.160 Yeah.

00:28:27.640 That's interesting.

00:28:28.100 Yeah.

00:28:28.480 It was a freeing, you know, sometimes a definition of a word for me, like, oh, I never thought

00:28:32.880 of it that way.

00:28:33.700 Now, now, now I understand it.

00:28:35.500 Yeah.

00:28:35.660 Sometimes it takes 40.

00:28:37.580 I didn't learn that one until I was 45.

00:28:39.560 Yeah.

00:28:40.060 So for 45 years, hey, hey, hey, get off your toes.

00:28:43.820 You better, better be humble.

00:28:44.960 I was like.

00:28:45.540 Yeah.

00:28:46.120 I'd cow down and miss opportunities, you know, and, and not be the first to speak up if I knew

00:28:51.940 the answer or something or pass the buck too often.

00:28:54.600 And, and that's a false, that's like a false modesty.

00:28:58.420 Oh, shoot.

00:28:59.160 No, no, no, I'm not me.

00:28:59.940 Yeah.

00:29:00.140 It's really pretending to, it's like, oh, let me let you see me be modest.

00:29:04.620 Yeah.

00:29:05.140 And it's bull, it's bullshit.

00:29:06.280 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you're, you're lying.

00:29:09.640 And it's kind of cocky in reverse.

00:29:11.860 Yeah.

00:29:12.200 Yeah.

00:29:13.140 Yeah.

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00:32:51.080 Yeah, I mean, it's all like having some awareness about yourself, but try not to be too crazy where you're sitting there just thinking about yourself all the time.

00:33:00.540 Yeah.

00:33:00.760 It's all like, it's all pretty fascinating, man.

00:33:04.040 I mean, and there's a lot of good stuff in this book.

00:33:06.220 I'm trying to think of some of the parts that I really liked.

00:33:08.800 You write that courage is often one more step.

00:33:12.200 In the right direction.

00:33:13.160 Yeah.

00:33:14.100 Yeah.

00:33:14.520 And you talk about that in marriage, faith.

00:33:16.740 Yeah.

00:33:17.000 And character.

00:33:19.860 Yeah.

00:33:20.320 And yeah, I thought that that was pretty interesting because, yeah, there's times where I stall.

00:33:28.340 Yeah.

00:33:29.060 That's where I stall sometimes.

00:33:30.500 I stall with that, like, I don't know what this is going to be like.

00:33:33.980 I don't know what this is going to feel like.

00:33:35.360 I already don't like the feeling of this, right?

00:33:38.460 Right.

00:33:38.640 It happens to me a lot with like commitment and relationships and stuff.

00:33:41.780 It happens to me a lot and like try not to control the outcome.

00:33:47.000 Um, of, of like even a moment, right?

00:33:49.600 Like, God, I just, you know, to have a little bit of courage there to be like, well, let's

00:33:56.160 see what this.

00:33:57.280 Right.

00:33:57.800 What would one step more take me deeper into debt or am I going to, or is it going to,

00:34:03.600 am I going to power through and get to the other side and go, oh, okay.

00:34:07.080 I stuck with it.

00:34:07.880 Now I see it.

00:34:08.660 Now I see the light.

00:34:09.560 I like this.

00:34:10.180 I'm, it's a, it's a, it's a really interesting measurement.

00:34:14.020 I think we always got to do, man.

00:34:15.440 I mean, I try to measure like there's like, remember the, you know, no fear.

00:34:21.540 I was always like, what do you mean?

00:34:22.480 No fear.

00:34:23.200 Oh yeah.

00:34:23.760 There's a lot of stuff I fear.

00:34:25.000 There's a lot of stuff.

00:34:25.680 I think we all should fear.

00:34:27.760 It's what things do we go?

00:34:29.440 No, I'm, but I'm going to have the courage to go.

00:34:31.200 I'm overcoming that fear, but there's good and there's bad fears.

00:34:34.420 Meaning like if I'm reading the script and I kind of like the script, but man, I'm not

00:34:40.600 sure about the director and this financing doesn't have enough money behind it.

00:34:44.500 Can we really make this a good movie?

00:34:46.740 And I'm not going to be, I'm kind of scared of that.

00:34:49.660 I think maybe, okay, maybe that's a healthy fear you got there, McConaughey, because the

00:34:53.020 pedigree around it may not be as excellent as you want it to be.

00:34:56.320 There's other times, I don't say, where you see a character and man, all, everything.

00:35:00.560 I like the director's on it, man.

00:35:02.360 We've got good financing behind us.

00:35:03.960 Production value is going to be good.

00:35:05.200 The script's damn good.

00:35:06.400 And I'm looking at this character going, I am scared shitless about how am I going to

00:35:11.300 pull this off?

00:35:12.260 Well, okay.

00:35:13.980 I would subscribe that maybe that's a good fear that I need to dive in and go, well,

00:35:18.300 let's go find out.

00:35:19.820 But don't back off of that one because that one, and then I'll see the movie two years

00:35:23.320 later.

00:35:23.500 I'm like, oh, it was great.

00:35:25.000 And look at that part that that other guy got to play.

00:35:27.480 And then I'm kicking myself going, you didn't have the huevos and the will to go sit there

00:35:32.020 and go find out.

00:35:33.380 McConaughey, come on, man.

00:35:35.020 You know what I mean?

00:35:35.560 So it's measuring the good ones and the bad ones.

00:35:37.320 You say you got a bad feeling if you already have a bad feeling.

00:35:40.540 Look, I do think this, man.

00:35:43.100 My brother Rooster says this.

00:35:44.380 He goes, man, if everybody only did what they love to do, there'd be a whole lot of

00:35:48.800 unemployment.

00:35:49.620 Yeah.

00:35:50.120 You know what I mean?

00:35:50.680 I mean, sometimes it does suck and you got to do some hard things that you're like,

00:35:57.740 man, I'm not, this doesn't feel right.

00:36:00.640 Now, does it not feel right or do we just not like it?

00:36:03.060 A lot of things I got to do that we got to do that we don't like to do to get to the other

00:36:06.980 side and go, well, you know, especially as we get older and we got things that we've

00:36:11.060 invested in, family and friends and relationships, our own self.

00:36:15.060 Those are some fires that we've been putting logs on for a while.

00:36:18.080 And it can be hard sometimes to sit there and keep tending those fires or keep tending

00:36:21.780 those gardens we're talking about, right?

00:36:24.040 On our own soul.

00:36:25.340 But you sit there and you go, I believe that if I do the hard work now and break this sweat

00:36:29.960 and draw some blood to make this work, which sucks, I'm going to get to the other side.

00:36:34.480 It's a sacrifice I'm willing to take to get to the other side and go, oh, there we go.

00:36:38.400 All right, there we go.

00:36:39.480 Now I can sleep better.

00:36:40.420 Now I can wake up going, yep, I'm still connected to what I was, what I created in the past for

00:36:44.000 myself.

00:36:44.280 I did the next right thing for myself and it sucked.

00:36:48.080 But damn it, that's right there where I could have backed off and retreated.

00:36:51.460 I could have said, oh, I smell smoke.

00:36:53.780 Going to be fire.

00:36:54.600 Well, sometimes it's like, no, it's smoke.

00:36:56.180 Maybe go put out the damn fire before it turns into one.

00:36:58.360 Yeah.

00:36:58.860 That's what I mean.

00:36:59.880 Or let's procure this fire a little bit, make a little bit of barbecue for the future.

00:37:02.680 Yeah.

00:37:03.440 You know what I mean?

00:37:03.940 Yeah, I do.

00:37:04.460 Well, I think also it's like it creates linchpins in your life.

00:37:06.940 Like some of those things you're saying, like even like with family and stuff and being

00:37:11.000 willing to do that, right?

00:37:12.120 And be like, okay, this is a, this is a project that my wife and I, my partner and I are going

00:37:16.820 to create together.

00:37:17.820 Or, you know, did you have fears about like that at certain points in your life of like

00:37:21.720 starting a family and committing to that and doing that?

00:37:24.140 Was that kind of tough?

00:37:25.040 So look, the one thing I always knew I wanted to be was a dad, eight years old.

00:37:31.800 Good story.

00:37:32.860 So, you know, dad had introduced me to a lot of his male friends through life.

00:37:36.140 And, you know, it's, I'm shook their hand, look them in the eye.

00:37:38.940 Nice to meet you, sir.

00:37:40.300 Sir, sir, sir was a big thing in our, in our family.

00:37:43.020 And I remember I was eight years old.

00:37:44.700 We were in an Oak Forest Country Club parking lot.

00:37:47.380 Hello, Longview, Texas.

00:37:49.040 And I was met these, these two men.

00:37:52.420 They were both in black slacks, white shirts and black jackets.

00:37:57.860 And one of them had shades on.

00:37:59.860 And as I was shaking their hands, I remember the sunlight was behind me.

00:38:02.460 It was kind of in my eyes.

00:38:03.580 I was like, nice to meet you, sir.

00:38:04.700 Nice to meet you, sir.

00:38:06.020 It hit me in my eight-year-old mind at that time that, oh, and they, and they were talking

00:38:11.120 about their, they started to talk about their own children.

00:38:13.060 And it hit me in my eight-year-old mind that, oh, all the people I've shaken, all that my

00:38:16.760 dad's introduced to that I shook their hands and said, sir, to were fathers.

00:38:21.280 And in my eight-year-old mind, I went, oh, that's how you succeed in life.

00:38:28.260 And it, you know, whether I'm out of propter or that was the meaning I gave it, it was,

00:38:32.020 it stuck with me.

00:38:32.940 And it was, it was always been my measurement of what successful life would be as a man to

00:38:39.460 become a father and to then help raise kids.

00:38:42.480 So I knew I always wanted to be a father.

00:38:44.460 Now, then you get to, can you, you know, meet a woman that you're in love with and that,

00:38:50.920 you know, is going to be a great mother, you know, to them.

00:38:55.960 I fortunately met that woman in Camilla.

00:38:59.120 So, but, but we didn't get married right off the bat.

00:39:02.140 We were, and maybe this is because my mom and dad were married three times, divorced

00:39:06.440 twice, and her mom and dad were married two times and divorced three times.

00:39:11.400 Thank God.

00:39:12.140 So we had a track record for reason to go like, wow.

00:39:14.560 That's a lot of math and jewelry.

00:39:15.900 Yeah.

00:39:16.260 Yeah.

00:39:16.740 Yeah.

00:39:17.080 A whole lot.

00:39:17.960 Yeah.

00:39:18.500 So we're rolling along, man, and saying, it's going great.

00:39:23.080 And we don't want to get married because that's just what you're supposed to do.

00:39:26.320 I don't want to back into it because someone goes legally, it's wrong with you, but no,

00:39:29.380 bullshit.

00:39:29.800 I want to want to.

00:39:30.520 And I didn't really want to.

00:39:33.120 I wasn't against it, but her and I were like, we're doing good.

00:39:35.480 We have our first child.

00:39:37.600 Or let me go back to nine months before we have our first child.

00:39:39.940 I come home and there's cheeseburgers she's cooking on the grill.

00:39:43.440 I smell them.

00:39:44.060 She pours me a double of my favorite tequila.

00:39:46.500 God.

00:39:46.740 I sit down and she gives me a gift.

00:39:49.040 I open it up.

00:39:49.680 It's the, what do you call it?

00:39:50.800 The sonogram, whatever gram that is where you see in the belly, you got a baby and a fetus.

00:39:54.900 Yeah.

00:39:55.060 She's pregnant.

00:39:56.100 Oh my gosh.

00:39:57.320 Cry, tears.

00:39:58.340 We hug it out.

00:39:59.360 Oh my God.

00:39:59.780 This is, this is so awesome.

00:40:01.080 Et cetera, et cetera.

00:40:02.220 Let's call my mom.

00:40:03.820 Tell her the good news.

00:40:05.420 I get my phone out.

00:40:06.440 Call mom.

00:40:07.240 Camilla's sitting next to me.

00:40:08.720 Mom, you there?

00:40:09.400 We've got some great news to tell you.

00:40:10.420 Got you on speakerphone.

00:40:11.500 Can you hear?

00:40:12.580 Camilla's here.

00:40:13.440 Hi, Camilla.

00:40:14.200 Hi, Ms. McConaughey.

00:40:15.320 How are you?

00:40:15.580 Mom, you there?

00:40:16.120 You got to meet?

00:40:16.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:17.020 I'm listening.

00:40:17.360 I can't wait.

00:40:17.820 Tell me, tell me, tell me.

00:40:18.780 Mom, Camilla's pregnant.

00:40:23.720 Crickets.

00:40:25.780 Our next thing I hear is, no, no, no, no, no, Matthew.

00:40:33.480 This is out of order.

00:40:35.440 I didn't raise you to do this.

00:40:37.000 No, Matthew, you're supposed to be married and went on and on and on in a five minute monologue

00:40:43.680 and then hung up.

00:40:45.960 When I stop, I look over at Camilla and she looks at me and we're like, oh, shit, that

00:40:49.580 didn't go the way I hoped it would.

00:40:52.860 And so, you know, let's top off that drink.

00:40:55.980 That burger's cold now.

00:40:56.400 You know what I mean?

00:40:57.580 Woo, okay.

00:40:59.840 Ten minutes later, the phone rings.

00:41:01.380 It's my mom.

00:41:03.300 Yeah, I have mom.

00:41:04.840 She goes, hi, Matthew.

00:41:06.760 Mom, speakerphone?

00:41:07.620 I go, I can put you on speakerphone.

00:41:08.820 Okay.

00:41:09.200 Is Camilla there?

00:41:09.880 Yeah, she's right.

00:41:10.420 I'm going to be some kind of.

00:41:11.400 Okay, can you all both hear me?

00:41:12.420 Yeah, we hear you, Mom.

00:41:13.320 Can we hear you, Ms. McConaughey?

00:41:13.980 Okay.

00:41:16.260 I would like to put some white out over that last.

00:41:21.200 I was being selfish thinking about myself.

00:41:23.540 If you two are happy about it, I should be happy for you.

00:41:26.280 It's not my place to be unhappy.

00:41:29.140 So we had two children before we got married.

00:41:32.760 But yeah, I mean, look, the big project, you know, as far as I can tell, the one that's

00:41:38.120 non-negotiable, that's the thing.

00:41:39.320 Can we find non-negotiable projects?

00:41:41.300 There we go.

00:41:41.580 Nope.

00:41:42.320 When I'm lost and don't know what the hell I'm doing, or I'm looking for my North Star,

00:41:46.340 what are some things in our life that we can look at and go, if I concentrate on that,

00:41:50.040 I can't go wrong.

00:41:51.020 Sometimes that's just it.

00:41:52.140 Like, I still have it now.

00:41:53.320 Maybe I don't know what new things I want to do.

00:41:55.900 And then when I'm kind of lost and wobbly, I'll try to look at the things that I go, like

00:42:01.800 family, like fatherhood, like the marriage, and go, if you work on that, McConaughey, you

00:42:08.500 can't bogey, you may not, you may not eagle the hole, but you're not going to bogey and

00:42:14.380 you definitely ain't going to hit one out of bounds.

00:42:15.940 You can't spend too much time on that in your spare time.

00:42:20.180 And then that'll help you spiritually, heart and head.

00:42:22.200 And so I try to go to the non-negotiables when I'm a little, when I'm like, and then

00:42:26.180 when things are going well, that's another thing.

00:42:28.780 I love to accomplish it, man.

00:42:30.360 I love to go work and I'm going all of a sudden I'm hitting the road.

00:42:32.940 I'm all over the place.

00:42:34.220 How do I keep my marriage and my fatherhood out of the debit section?

00:42:37.840 Yeah.

00:42:38.100 How do I, you know, cause I'm don't have the time, as much time.

00:42:42.160 That's another challenge when things are going well personally, you know, to take care of

00:42:46.640 those non-negotiables.

00:42:47.940 Yeah.

00:42:49.000 Yeah.

00:42:49.400 I mean, I think a lot, like if I don't know what to do, I try and, yeah, like it's always

00:42:53.460 like help others, you know, like that's the thing, like that's probably been the thing

00:42:57.380 that's been most helpful in my life.

00:42:58.760 If I don't know what to do whenever, you know, um, it's trying to help others.

00:43:04.960 Think of somebody else, call somebody else, see what they're doing, get out of myself.

00:43:08.100 Yeah.

00:43:08.120 Heard, heard.

00:43:08.720 There's like that prayer.

00:43:09.720 It's like, uh, God, I, uh, I offer myself to thee to build with me and do with me as

00:43:16.440 thou wilt, relieve me of the bondage of self and take away my difficulties so that, um,

00:43:23.060 like, I don't, I don't remember the end of it right now.

00:43:27.280 Leave me of the bondage to myself, leave me of it, off it.

00:43:30.240 Third step prayer it is.

00:43:31.620 Yeah.

00:43:31.940 Offer myself to thee to build with me and do with me as thou wilt, relieve me of the

00:43:34.480 bondage of self that I may better do thy will.

00:43:36.640 That's it.

00:43:37.000 There we go.

00:43:37.660 So it's just like, yeah, God, my problem is me right now.

00:43:40.900 I'm just so, I'm sitting here, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm breaking myself up and putting

00:43:44.860 myself into a joint and smoking myself.

00:43:46.620 You know what I'm saying?

00:43:47.000 Right.

00:43:47.240 I'm just getting high on my, you know, something here.

00:43:49.440 Yeah.

00:43:49.600 And it can be a low point or a high point though.

00:43:51.640 Yeah.

00:43:51.860 That's the thing.

00:43:52.400 And sometimes I think it's like, you know, I've thought it's just the hot, just the lows,

00:43:55.280 but it's like, even if I get too high on myself, it's like, that's not good either.

00:43:58.620 You know?

00:43:59.100 Well, it keeps our pursuit, not about that.

00:44:02.540 It's talking to the God, godliness within us, the more God likeness in us that we can

00:44:08.020 be that a lot of us are striving to be.

00:44:10.540 That pursuit is such a valuable pursuit, you know, religious or not, you know, a connection

00:44:18.080 to a creator.

00:44:19.140 Yeah.

00:44:19.320 To not feel higher.

00:44:20.940 Right.

00:44:21.340 That you're not going to reach, but you're going.

00:44:23.980 I mean, otherwise I would feel so homeless.

00:44:26.080 I don't want my soul to feel homeless, you know?

00:44:28.300 There's a lot of people that feel very homeless.

00:44:31.220 Well, you talk about just like your own, like times of faith and like how hard it, you know,

00:44:35.500 it's tough to, um, to keep that connection going, you know, and to work on it more.

00:44:41.060 It's tough.

00:44:41.500 It takes maintenance, doesn't it?

00:44:42.480 Yeah.

00:44:42.720 It takes a lot of maintenance, man.

00:44:43.780 That's probably my biggest.

00:44:44.800 That's where my ego will get out of control where all of a sudden I start, I take for

00:44:50.060 granted that I didn't just pull it all off on my own.

00:44:54.240 Oh, for sure.

00:44:54.260 And I start thinking I did.

00:44:55.800 And I do the math and go, like, I mean, I did.

00:44:57.360 And all of a sudden it's like, ooh, here comes humble pie pretty soon.

00:45:01.140 Oh, yeah.

00:45:03.400 I mean, that's a tough thing.

00:45:04.380 I mean, having a relationship with, um, having a relationship with our creator and giving

00:45:08.840 ourselves, like saying, God, you know, giving thanks, getting a good perspective for ourselves.

00:45:13.540 Um, have you, has there been practices that you've used realistically over the years?

00:45:18.160 I'm sure once you have a family and stuff like that, some of that starts to maybe get

00:45:21.640 more built into you.

00:45:23.060 Um, but just because it's, there's a visual, there's a, there's an actual component that's

00:45:27.760 right there alive.

00:45:28.640 Yeah.

00:45:28.940 But have you noticed for yourself, um, uh, there's a, having, having kiddos is in some

00:45:37.620 ways are how we become immortal if we're fortunate enough for them to outlive us.

00:45:47.580 Yeah.

00:45:48.100 And if we're fortunate for them to have kids and pass on a lineage, it's like you first

00:45:51.660 have a kid, you're like, I have helped create a being that is outside of myself, but my blood

00:45:56.720 and so is in them.

00:45:57.860 Yeah.

00:45:58.220 It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a certain way to immortality.

00:46:01.760 Um, and I don't mean in the religious sense of, oh, if you live this way, you live forever

00:46:06.540 because you get to the gates and the kingdom of heaven.

00:46:08.980 Yeah.

00:46:09.500 But it is a mortal way of going, no, just kind of science, evolutionary wise, it's a way

00:46:13.900 to become immortal.

00:46:15.040 And I find there's a great power in that and a great freedom and responsibility that comes

00:46:20.280 with that because you're shepherding your future self through your child or what you're, you're,

00:46:25.720 you're, you know, for 18 years, so to speak, generally in the household before they go off

00:46:30.160 into the world.

00:46:31.700 Um, so you're taking care of yourself.

00:46:35.020 Right.

00:46:35.380 In a weird way.

00:46:36.440 By taking, like a chunk of yourself.

00:46:38.080 By taking care of your, it's our greatest children.

00:46:40.720 I mean, it's the greatest export and it is the most closest thing, piece of art in the

00:46:45.180 world that we'll ever put out.

00:46:46.600 Yeah.

00:46:46.840 You know, um, yeah, that's pretty fascinating.

00:46:52.180 Yeah.

00:46:52.740 Um, do you and your family, do you have any traditions that really mean a lot to you guys

00:46:56.220 that you have felt like, um, have helped you establish more of a sense, like a familial

00:47:02.100 sense, like a team sense kind of?

00:47:04.580 Yeah.

00:47:05.060 I mean, my wife's better than my family ever was on the actual rituals.

00:47:11.340 I mean, my family's like, everyone come over for Thanksgiving.

00:47:13.700 We're going and it's like swing by the pit and get some food while you're doing it.

00:47:17.860 And we're going to sit down.

00:47:19.540 Well, not unless everybody wants to sit down.

00:47:21.660 My wife's more like, no, we are, I'm setting the table.

00:47:25.080 Right.

00:47:25.460 And we're sitting down and doing this and we're going to say prayers before and everyone's

00:47:29.100 going to go around.

00:47:30.080 That's one of the things we like to do.

00:47:31.760 Call it around the horn.

00:47:33.680 Everybody, before we share something out loud, something you're thankful for.

00:47:37.140 Yeah.

00:47:37.900 Share it up.

00:47:38.420 And at very least out there, it at least makes the food taste better.

00:47:42.280 Yeah.

00:47:42.940 You know, at least.

00:47:44.260 But it also is a great conversation starter because you'll say things and a lot of people

00:47:48.800 don't like to share them out loud.

00:47:50.880 And it'll start a conversation with somebody that you didn't know.

00:47:53.200 Why did you say you're thankful for that thing?

00:47:54.800 Oh, I didn't know your grandmother just got out of the hospital.

00:47:57.520 Oh, I didn't know that you did good on that test last Tuesday and you're thankful for that.

00:48:02.640 And it's a great way to get a conversation started.

00:48:04.760 We do, we practice that.

00:48:08.180 We are, we have dinner each night.

00:48:14.220 It's a small ritual, but in our busy worlds of today.

00:48:16.680 It's huge.

00:48:17.420 To have that down and everyone comes in and you hear a little bit about the day and we

00:48:24.740 kind of, it's kind of like the team gets together.

00:48:27.740 And I was talking to my kids, we were talking to kids about it the other day.

00:48:30.660 You know, I was like, look, this, these, talk about these bonfires we have.

00:48:33.540 Our family, we're calling it a bonfire, not a campfire, bonfire.

00:48:36.760 Boys and girls, let's go, man.

00:48:38.020 We, this is non-negotiable.

00:48:39.320 We got to, we created it.

00:48:41.440 We're on our way.

00:48:42.360 We think we're doing all right.

00:48:43.340 Let's keep putting log wood on this fire.

00:48:44.860 But you three kiddos, you're responsible for going and chopping wood here too and bringing

00:48:50.500 the log back to the fire.

00:48:51.900 It's not just me and your mama.

00:48:53.120 Right.

00:48:54.100 That are doing that.

00:48:55.400 It takes, it's talking about back to sports.

00:48:58.040 We were in the very beginning.

00:48:58.980 It's a team effort here.

00:49:00.260 Yeah.

00:49:00.780 Y'all got to start adding that.

00:49:02.180 Yeah.

00:49:02.580 And take the, and take the, have the confidence yourself that you do have a log to add to

00:49:07.660 this fire.

00:49:08.180 Right.

00:49:08.920 I think encouraging your, like encouraging kids to think and feel like that.

00:49:12.520 It's important, you know, because kids don't know how to think and feel.

00:49:14.900 I think there's like this understanding that people just know what feelings are and what's

00:49:19.020 happening and like what their responsibility is as a brother or a son.

00:49:22.520 It's like a lot of that stuff has to really be kind of instilled, I think.

00:49:26.080 I think you're right because I've, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm guilty of giving the cliff notes

00:49:31.460 version of things to a kid sometimes where they're like, I think is like, well, duh, you

00:49:37.900 understand that.

00:49:38.580 You know what I mean?

00:49:39.220 Like little things, man.

00:49:40.320 Hey, how do you, what's the, how do you wipe your butt?

00:49:43.500 You know what I mean?

00:49:44.240 And what's, what's deodorant for?

00:49:45.720 You know what I mean?

00:49:46.380 Little things you're like, well, duh.

00:49:47.560 And like, no, how would I know?

00:49:49.040 You're wiping your butt with deodorant.

00:49:49.740 It's going to burn.

00:49:50.380 Or, you know, how, how would I know?

00:49:52.040 You know, things you got to let, let them know.

00:49:55.440 Yeah.

00:49:55.720 There's that extra step a lot of times.

00:49:57.220 And I think we think that kids are just adults in a week, like sometimes, you know.

00:50:00.440 Or they saw it somewhere, they picked it up.

00:50:02.320 Yes, that they already know.

00:50:03.800 Because that's the other thing.

00:50:04.660 You do find out a lot of things that they did pick up that you didn't know they knew.

00:50:07.920 Right.

00:50:08.200 And then you start to be like, oh, well, and you try to help many when they're like, I

00:50:10.720 already know this.

00:50:11.360 So it's like probably a little catch.

00:50:12.880 But there's a whole lot of things that, yeah, they don't know.

00:50:16.240 So, you know, we, it's, it's, it's, in our frame, one of the things is, when are the

00:50:23.640 kids ready for this type of movie?

00:50:27.060 Mm, yeah.

00:50:28.100 Or a PG or an R or something.

00:50:29.420 And I'm just, and what content is in there?

00:50:33.460 I just don't want, there's some certain things in life about, about love, about, about, about

00:50:40.740 violence, about all the ways of the world that I don't.

00:50:46.240 And I say, I want my kids to get it from an outside piece of entertainment before they

00:50:52.580 have a context of understanding it from me and their mother.

00:50:55.680 For sure.

00:50:56.300 Like, let them understand it first before seeing it for the first time.

00:51:01.640 And their emotions are going all over the place for pleasure or pain, but they don't

00:51:05.580 know what it all means.

00:51:06.580 Right.

00:51:06.960 Or does that happen?

00:51:08.200 Well, you know, so I want the context coming from their mom and dad first so they can then

00:51:14.460 see it and go, I understand, that was realistically, however realistically that was done and how

00:51:19.100 that affected me.

00:51:19.760 But I understand the context.

00:51:20.800 Yeah.

00:51:21.880 Of what that scene I just saw.

00:51:23.980 And that's why I try to hold back certain content, you know?

00:51:27.880 Oh, I think it makes sense.

00:51:28.680 From the kids to have just an understanding of the reality so you can at least appreciate

00:51:33.600 it but know that that's fiction.

00:51:34.940 Right.

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00:55:20.520 I was in, I was at Ole Miss, dude.

00:55:24.600 Lane Kiffin's crazy.

00:55:25.520 That guy's absolutely crazy, dude.

00:55:26.880 He took me to yoga class, right?

00:55:28.240 He goes to this yoga class.

00:55:29.620 I'm in there, right?

00:55:31.140 And he, I think he's, he has the heat on his phone.

00:55:33.740 He's hijacked the heat system and like this.

00:55:36.040 So he's sitting over there.

00:55:37.720 Pumping up the heat?

00:55:38.560 Yeah.

00:55:38.900 I mean, just like.

00:55:39.820 Hot yoga?

00:55:40.460 Like Putin over there.

00:55:41.400 Yeah.

00:55:41.520 He's got it way hot, though.

00:55:42.820 And he's fucking, he's even holding a lighter in there, like adding a little bit of heat

00:55:46.080 to the room.

00:55:47.260 But at one point, he's like wandering around and just like saying things to people and whispering

00:55:51.540 like affirmations.

00:55:52.420 Wait, is he, is he in the class or is he teaching the class?

00:55:55.340 He's in it.

00:55:55.860 He's not the teacher.

00:55:56.720 Okay.

00:55:57.080 And the teacher has like the microphone thing on and she's kind of pointing at him every

00:56:01.020 now and then.

00:56:03.060 There's a picture that we just put up yesterday from, and I don't know if you can even see

00:56:05.820 it.

00:56:05.920 It might be out there somewhere.

00:56:07.600 Can you raise it up a little bit?

00:56:08.760 I can only see his head and this seems like a shot.

00:56:11.120 You got to see out.

00:56:11.800 Okay.

00:56:12.340 That's lame.

00:56:12.760 But find the other photo too, if you can, Nick.

00:56:15.420 But he's, dude, he comes in, he puts a peppermint in my mouth, dude.

00:56:19.680 And his hand kind of even touched my lips a little bit.

00:56:22.700 And I don't even, I mean, we're both straight males, you know?

00:56:24.880 I mean, as a family, I hope to have a family, but he just like, I'm like, and I'm in there

00:56:29.160 sweating, dying, basically trying to look okay, you know?

00:56:33.240 And sorry, I wear a towel like that.

00:56:34.540 I was raised by a single mom.

00:56:35.660 Oh, this is you over on, are you over on the right?

00:56:38.100 Yeah.

00:56:38.340 Is this post peppermint?

00:56:39.540 Is this post peppermint?

00:56:41.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.560 But I mean, Lane is crazy though, dude.

00:56:45.980 He does these weird rituals and stuff in there and he'll like bounce a golf ball in.

00:56:51.240 It's like people, it's like dead and he'll bounce a golf ball across the, he's just doing

00:56:55.780 bizarre stuff in there.

00:56:57.260 Does he have a method to it?

00:56:58.420 Is he doing it?

00:56:59.040 It is.

00:56:59.480 It's this weird, I can't, it's like he's some sweat molyer or something, you know?

00:57:05.740 I don't know what he's doing, but it's, it's just amazing over there.

00:57:09.040 Uh, but he's just always likes to be involved in causing, having an effect.

00:57:14.680 Okay.

00:57:14.820 Right.

00:57:15.400 So that's what I noticed about him and it's interesting and it's fascinating in the same

00:57:18.740 way.

00:57:18.880 Is he a trickster or is he a sort of a, as you said, he's just going to throw in some

00:57:23.880 color commentary on the situation.

00:57:25.620 He's going to give a different color.

00:57:26.500 He's very colorful.

00:57:27.940 Okay.

00:57:28.360 And so, but he's got a big card.

00:57:30.140 He like, he'll make sure that everything's taken care of.

00:57:32.000 He's on top of everything.

00:57:33.140 Yeah.

00:57:33.340 Right.

00:57:33.820 But I think he likes to be very colorful and stuff, but we had a great time over there.

00:57:37.540 Anyway, this was just an experience that we had where he goes to this yoga class every

00:57:41.260 single day and, uh, and he never misses.

00:57:44.160 And it was just, uh, yeah, it was a great experience.

00:57:46.860 I mean, I had to lay down for a little while and some girl was like, do you need CPR?

00:57:49.760 And I'm like, no, I don't fucking need CPR.

00:57:52.700 Okay.

00:57:53.160 Just taking a rest.

00:57:54.320 I'm just taking a rest with my eyes.

00:57:56.580 Closed.

00:57:57.240 You look like you went through it, man.

00:57:58.800 You, you look like.

00:57:59.860 Well, I was laying there like this for a little while because I wasn't doing really good.

00:58:03.220 Um, and, uh, yeah, I did, I didn't black out, but I like light browned out or whatever,

00:58:07.260 but it was like, I'm fine.

00:58:08.480 But, um, anyway, yeah, but it was just fascinating over there, man, just to be over there.

00:58:12.760 And we got to walk through the, uh, like the, the, the walk that they do, um, up to the

00:58:17.700 stadium.

00:58:18.020 And that was pretty crazy.

00:58:19.020 Yeah.

00:58:19.300 I mean, yeah, they're just, that fan base is pretty rabid.

00:58:22.100 I didn't realize how special it was over there in Oxford.

00:58:24.500 I didn't realize.

00:58:25.080 You got it going on right now, man.

00:58:26.100 Yeah, they got it going on.

00:58:26.820 I think they're going to make the CFP.

00:58:28.080 I'm hoping Vanderbilt makes it in.

00:58:29.580 I don't think that they're going to.

00:58:31.200 Well, what did y'all, y'all lost two?

00:58:33.480 We lost two, yeah.

00:58:34.200 To us and to?

00:58:35.900 Alabama.

00:58:36.600 Alabama.

00:58:37.140 All right.

00:58:37.560 That ain't, that's.

00:58:38.820 But they need a big win, you know?

00:58:40.320 We need a big win.

00:58:41.120 Who do you got left?

00:58:42.120 We still have Tennessee and we have Kentucky next weekend and then we have Tennessee.

00:58:46.240 All right.

00:58:46.960 You clear those two with a two loss season, you're most likely in.

00:58:54.080 Maybe.

00:58:54.180 Well, look, like we just can't, we just have Sanford Stadium down in Georgia, got it handed

00:58:59.620 to us.

00:59:00.220 You were down there at the UGA.

00:59:01.220 Yeah, what's that like over there at that Athens?

00:59:03.380 I never remember.

00:59:03.920 It was great.

00:59:04.460 Between the Hedges.

00:59:04.960 It was?

00:59:05.580 I had never heard Sanford Stadium between the Hedges as being like one of the places.

00:59:11.340 Whoa, it's really hard.

00:59:12.680 Oh, yeah, man.

00:59:14.140 Was it 90,000?

00:59:15.600 And those fans are in unison, man.

00:59:19.900 And they had, I tell you what, I get to measure stadiums, right, when I go to them.

00:59:26.160 I'm like, what's the fan base?

00:59:27.640 Oh, yeah, it's amazing.

00:59:28.660 How happy are they that I'm there compared to how much did they like, F you, McConaughey,

00:59:35.400 we're going to get it, you know what I mean?

00:59:36.720 Yeah.

00:59:37.040 And this crowd was loud from the beginning, especially that first half.

00:59:42.380 And then the second half when they started to boat row, they were still really that.

00:59:47.140 But they were one of the higher decibels that I've heard.

00:59:50.640 But they were continuous is the thing, especially any time that we were on offense.

00:59:57.940 But the unison, because you get crowds that are in unison.

01:00:00.240 They know the chance.

01:00:02.020 Auburn does a good job of that, being in unison.

01:00:04.280 Yeah.

01:00:04.540 They have their chance.

01:00:05.200 It's a big thing.

01:00:05.640 You can have 30,000 more people, but if the rituals and the cheers aren't in unison,

01:00:10.200 it's not as intimidating.

01:00:12.220 At all.

01:00:12.600 And, yeah, they were happy I was there, but they were also giving me straight horns down

01:00:18.840 and going, we're going to whip your tonight, you know what I mean?

01:00:21.680 So it was a good, it was a good, it was a healthy, healthy hate they had.

01:00:25.900 I love that.

01:00:26.600 You know what I mean?

01:00:27.240 Because I've been to some, some visiting.

01:00:32.060 And they get a little edgy?

01:00:33.900 Oh, no, I got some, and I won't say their names on that.

01:00:36.280 I got some that, dude, I'm dodging, I'm dodging loogies.

01:00:39.220 Yeah.

01:00:39.580 Yeah, you're dodging those tomatoes you were throwing at her, Sean.

01:00:42.400 Yeah, dude, and they're like, and I was like, here we go.

01:00:46.800 Okay, and I've been to others.

01:00:47.880 They're like, time to kill us now, buddy.

01:00:49.760 Whatever, you know, and then I've been to some where it's like, they're too happy,

01:00:53.240 they're too nice to me.

01:00:54.140 I'm like, uh-oh, y'all are in trouble.

01:00:55.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:58.140 Dude, how great is it, though?

01:00:59.600 Is there anything better than being a college football fan?

01:01:03.360 I don't know if there is.

01:01:04.160 It's great.

01:01:04.780 And the SEC is one of the best forms of tribalism in the world.

01:01:10.420 I love hearing that.

01:01:11.220 I think I agree with you.

01:01:12.280 I didn't know.

01:01:12.960 I toured so much, I'd never gotten to have the fall off.

01:01:16.340 So the past, I've been to nine games this year, I think, from different stadiums.

01:01:22.200 Probably five of them were at Vanderbilt Stadium.

01:01:24.640 But it's just been amazing, dude, like to go to Alabama, to go to Virginia Tech,

01:01:29.100 to go, we're going to go to Neyland in a week or two, to be at Ole Miss yesterday.

01:01:34.760 He had us just see some of it and just that, like, what it's about for them in those places.

01:01:40.740 Well, and, you know, Athens, that's basically just college town.

01:01:43.980 And they were just, the fans were great.

01:01:46.540 And they were loud and they were rabid.

01:01:48.960 But to go, one of the things I love about being in the SEC, I can't wait to go, you know,

01:01:54.540 been in Tuscaloosa.

01:01:55.880 So I've been, I can't wait to go to Death Valley LSU on a night game when we go there.

01:02:02.220 Because I've only been there once and they played Vanderbilt when Vanderbilt was a doormat.

01:02:06.440 Right.

01:02:06.600 Not the Vanderbilt now.

01:02:07.880 Yeah.

01:02:08.480 And so that was a good experience, but that wasn't a great Death Valley experience.

01:02:13.300 I still, I can't wait to get over to Tennessee.

01:02:16.040 That's a beautiful place.

01:02:17.320 That, I think, might be the most beautiful place to see a game is that Neyland Stadium.

01:02:21.940 But I haven't been to see a game at Austin.

01:02:23.440 I want to go see that.

01:02:24.400 But I know that Rogan and Tony Hinchcliffe went one time.

01:02:28.160 You might have went to that same game that they went to.

01:02:30.000 I've been to, most of them, I'm over there on the sidelines, yeah.

01:02:32.220 That's so cool, man.

01:02:33.140 Yeah.

01:02:33.580 Yeah, it's, I just feel lucky to, first of all, even just get to be around some of the

01:02:37.500 teams to be that close to like that energy, that young, if you stay around young people,

01:02:42.440 it just keeps you young.

01:02:43.640 It's like there's something that's like, I don't know, it's just, it's energy.

01:02:47.660 That's how energy works.

01:02:48.600 And I still have to remind myself how young these young men are.

01:02:52.940 Yeah.

01:02:53.820 You know?

01:02:55.120 And that, you know, it's like, because they're so damn big, you know?

01:03:00.280 And then you look and you go, oh, you're 18.

01:03:02.240 Yeah.

01:03:03.060 18.

01:03:03.500 When was that?

01:03:04.340 You know?

01:03:04.860 Got to go back and do the math.

01:03:06.160 You know what I mean?

01:03:06.640 Yeah, you can't even figure it out sometimes.

01:03:07.640 Because I'm down there and I'm feeling like I was at college, UT, just a few years ago.

01:03:12.320 Well, a few multiplied times a nice size number, yeah.

01:03:15.840 But it seems like it was the other day, you know?

01:03:17.840 I know it does, man.

01:03:19.060 But that's what's kind of nice about it, too, is the connectivity of that, that there's

01:03:22.380 something special about when you get around certain things that it's undeniable that it's

01:03:28.240 nice that it feels not that long ago in a way.

01:03:30.420 Yeah, it is.

01:03:31.480 And again, on the SEC, man, I was talking to Sankey about this the other night.

01:03:35.400 But they're the only conference that wants to fight, absolutely draw blood like brothers

01:03:44.400 on a Saturday night when you're in the game.

01:03:47.260 But after the game, we're the SEC.

01:03:50.800 Yeah.

01:03:51.140 And the only conference that you go to, and if you beat an SEC team, beats another team

01:03:58.800 that's outside of the SEC conference, yeah, they may chant their name.

01:04:05.400 Tag, LSU.

01:04:06.980 Right.

01:04:07.840 But they also chant, SEC, SEC.

01:04:12.380 They do love it.

01:04:13.120 Nobody else does that, man.

01:04:14.700 That's cool.

01:04:14.960 I used to get upset with my friends that would cheer on other SEC teams if our team was out

01:04:19.940 of it, right?

01:04:20.380 Right.

01:04:20.660 But now I get it.

01:04:21.620 That's it.

01:04:22.060 Now I get it.

01:04:22.840 That's it.

01:04:22.960 It's like, this is the conference.

01:04:24.280 That's why I'm kind of, look, I backhanded, you know.

01:04:27.000 I got it.

01:04:29.060 When OU beats Alabama, like they did, I get a little, oh, there we go.

01:04:34.320 Even when A&M came back from down 33 against South Carolina, I'm like, there we go.

01:04:39.280 Because we're the old Southwest Conference, the old Big 12.

01:04:43.840 I'm rooting for them to go like, and I also, I'm a Texas fan who wants our two biggest rivals,

01:04:49.000 those Aggies and OU traditionally.

01:04:52.340 I want them to be undefeated when we play them.

01:04:55.860 You know what I mean?

01:04:57.160 We usually play OU around the, I don't know, fifth game of the season, fourth, fifth.

01:05:01.280 I always want OU to be undefeated, and I want us to be undefeated, and then I want to beat

01:05:04.820 them.

01:05:05.020 Yeah.

01:05:05.540 Beat them, and I want A&M.

01:05:06.580 We play A&M the last game of the year.

01:05:09.100 So it's still coming up.

01:05:10.120 It's two weeks, you know, from now.

01:05:12.160 Let's go.

01:05:12.360 Or saying whatever weekend it is.

01:05:13.680 I don't know when this comes out.

01:05:14.860 But, you know, I want them to be undefeated when we beat them is what I wanted.

01:05:19.880 You know what I mean?

01:05:20.240 That's, that's...

01:05:21.020 Yeah.

01:05:21.900 Well, I always cheer for the underdog, man.

01:05:24.600 I find I always cheer for the underdog.

01:05:26.440 That's one thing I loved about Vanderbilt this year.

01:05:28.200 They've always been the underdog.

01:05:29.120 Yeah.

01:05:29.420 Pavia's great.

01:05:29.980 They have so many great guys.

01:05:31.300 Every guy over there has been...

01:05:32.600 I met Pavia.

01:05:33.660 He came up and said, howdy after the game.

01:05:36.100 Oh, he did?

01:05:36.480 In Austin.

01:05:37.200 Oh, that's awesome.

01:05:37.980 He's a great guy, man.

01:05:39.120 He's great, man.

01:05:39.660 And he's an underdog.

01:05:40.500 He's just been the underdog the whole time.

01:05:41.960 I was like, man, congratulations on what you've done.

01:05:43.900 Keep doing it, man.

01:05:44.840 Y'all got it rolling.

01:05:45.500 And yeah, and what Lee's done with that.

01:05:48.980 Yeah.

01:05:49.140 Because look, there's a lot of players on there that a lot of these teams we're talking about

01:05:53.400 didn't necessarily sniff them.

01:05:55.380 Oh, yeah.

01:05:56.500 Because they would have been on a different team.

01:05:58.280 Yeah.

01:05:58.400 But look what they've done.

01:05:59.860 It's, again, back to psychology.

01:06:02.440 Yeah.

01:06:04.480 That's a mental edge.

01:06:06.460 And the power you can get from believing you're an underdog or that the world saying you're

01:06:12.400 an underdog fuels you instead of makes you cower.

01:06:17.240 You're going, oh, yeah?

01:06:18.220 Watch this.

01:06:19.200 But to believe that is different than to say that.

01:06:23.960 Like, we've seen plenty of teams that are cocky.

01:06:26.880 Right, yeah.

01:06:27.520 And you're like, not to get into the ego side of it.

01:06:29.480 You ain't going to, you know.

01:06:30.840 Oh, you just laid a big hit on that running back, and there's three minutes left in the

01:06:35.700 fourth, and you're 17 down.

01:06:37.300 I wouldn't be doing a dance there, Ponce.

01:06:39.020 Yeah.

01:06:39.700 Did you see a scoreboard?

01:06:41.480 You know what I mean?

01:06:42.580 Or the want to, the come out is what Moore was saying, or who was it?

01:06:47.220 Mike saying, well, I wanted to win the game, didn't want to play like that.

01:06:50.220 You can see, you know, you want, there's a certain swagger that you're like, are you playing

01:06:55.460 the part, or do you believe?

01:06:57.500 Right.

01:06:58.080 Again, are you looking at the jumbotron and acting like what you think you should act like,

01:07:02.360 or do you believe that?

01:07:03.600 And is that dance you're doing coming from, yeah.

01:07:06.480 From you.

01:07:06.960 That's me.

01:07:07.640 That's how I feel.

01:07:08.860 Different.

01:07:09.120 Different.

01:07:10.340 Dude, we had, there was a funny, the other night I was somewhere, and there was like

01:07:13.520 a, I think a Titans, one of the Titans kind of brass, and they had a, like one of their

01:07:17.700 upper people was, and Pavia was there, it was some dinner thing we were at, and I said,

01:07:23.940 oh, have you guys thought about drafting Diego?

01:07:27.440 You know?

01:07:28.200 And the guy goes, well, he's a little small for us.

01:07:32.200 You know?

01:07:33.100 We kind of, we like, like this is one of our guys.

01:07:36.220 There was a player there, and he pointed at a guy, and he's like, that guy's 6'7".

01:07:40.120 Yeah.

01:07:40.760 And I was like, that guy's 1-7.

01:07:42.720 Right.

01:07:43.280 I was like, Diego Pavia's 8-2 right now, right?

01:07:45.480 I hear you.

01:07:46.000 And I know it's different.

01:07:47.060 No, I hear you.

01:07:47.700 But for me, it's like, if I'm a team in a city, I would get a player that everybody loves

01:07:52.000 that played in that college.

01:07:53.200 I don't understand why pro teams don't do that a little bit more.

01:07:55.860 Well, they do.

01:07:56.560 The Saints have been the best at it, historically.

01:07:59.300 Drafting the local, keeping it in Louisiana.

01:08:01.540 So that Superdome's full of people going, yo, who drove my cut?

01:08:06.220 Oh, that's a good point.

01:08:07.300 You know?

01:08:09.240 Look, I don't know how much that really works in the pros, because it's a new singular brand

01:08:15.260 business.

01:08:16.640 I'm with you.

01:08:17.460 I like the sentiment of, let's keep the home cook'em going right here.

01:08:20.160 Yeah, I think that's how I think.

01:08:22.060 You know?

01:08:22.260 I like that kind of stuff.

01:08:24.480 Are you still teaching UT?

01:08:25.880 Were you teaching classes at UT?

01:08:28.840 Yeah.

01:08:29.660 I visit the, I guess there's a professor that's in there daily, but then I swing in

01:08:34.380 and, you know, we'll talk going for three hours at a time.

01:08:38.440 And because what we do is we break down films and ads that I've done.

01:08:41.160 It's called From Script to Screen, meaning let's see the journey that this book that turned

01:08:46.940 into the first script, that turned into a shooting script, that turned into the movie.

01:08:50.000 Let's see the journey it took to get there.

01:08:51.640 Because the original screenplay is very different than the final package you see.

01:08:56.000 And so let's show these students, these serious filmmakers, about how there's many ways to

01:08:59.680 skin the cat.

01:09:00.720 And so I'll go in and we just break down.

01:09:02.500 We broke down most of my films.

01:09:04.000 And then I have the director come in and talk about certain scenes.

01:09:07.020 And it's a badass class.

01:09:09.620 Dude, I've loved, I used to go perform up at, in Huntington, West Virginia all the time.

01:09:16.920 Where you guys shot your Marshall movie.

01:09:19.120 And that was awesome, man.

01:09:20.220 And one time the guy that survived, Red, he was speaking at the hotel that I was staying

01:09:28.640 at.

01:09:29.620 He was speaking there.

01:09:30.180 When was this?

01:09:30.780 How many years ago?

01:09:31.520 More, but more or less.

01:09:32.420 16 years ago.

01:09:33.380 16.

01:09:33.940 12, 10.

01:09:34.940 So we had done We Are Marshall, which is probably 20 years ago?

01:09:40.380 Might be, yeah.

01:09:41.220 Yeah, so look, I don't want to speak on Red's behalf, but this story I heard, and I hope

01:09:46.720 I'm getting this correct if I'm not, excuse me, but that, you know, that crash in 1971

01:09:55.140 with that Thundering Herd team, everyone in Huntington was somehow related to that.

01:10:00.500 Yeah.

01:10:01.100 All right?

01:10:01.780 Whether by blood or by family or by that, it was the identity of the town, the college

01:10:06.860 at that time.

01:10:07.740 And a lot of people retreated.

01:10:09.780 We showed up to go tell that story, and they were skeptical of Hollywood coming to tell their

01:10:14.280 story for good reason.

01:10:15.380 For sure.

01:10:16.240 Like, which version you, you know, you tell them about us.

01:10:20.180 Right, you're going to add some elements that are just going to make us look bad, that sort

01:10:22.860 of thing.

01:10:22.920 You're going to make us look like that, you know?

01:10:24.200 Well, our director, McGinty, McG, did a really cool thing.

01:10:27.880 He let the whole town know in the paper, hey, anybody can come by the set.

01:10:31.660 Anybody who wants a script, I'll give you the script.

01:10:33.980 And slowly, people started to come around.

01:10:36.180 Script was good.

01:10:36.940 They were like, okay, da, da, da, da, da.

01:10:39.760 And then the movie comes out, and I think there was a bit of catharsis that can happen, meaning,

01:10:45.900 I heard that, you know, Red Dawson had been very reclusive, and that the time around the

01:10:53.100 film coming out, and the story, and for other reasons, he started to come back out, watch

01:10:58.140 a game, maybe a little, maybe it started behind the fence, then it moved into a bleacher, then

01:11:03.900 it moved into talk.

01:11:04.960 Anyway, you hear stories like that, and not that the film we did was responsible for that,

01:11:09.200 but a part of that, that you go, ah, what a cool thing to be a part of and see that can

01:11:17.280 happen, you know?

01:11:18.240 Well, art, that's an interesting thing about art, is that something can come out of, something

01:11:23.340 that's nice can come out of this, right?

01:11:26.380 Yeah.

01:11:26.600 Something that still honors it, even if it didn't do the best job.

01:11:30.240 Something that earnestly tried to show up and honor this thing.

01:11:33.560 Yeah.

01:11:33.700 Or have some, spend time with it, right?

01:11:35.960 To spend time.

01:11:36.720 Yeah, spend time spent on it, well-intended.

01:11:40.180 Right.

01:11:40.600 Try to tell the truth on it.

01:11:42.680 Ah, they get to then see a representation of some of their experiences on the proverbial

01:11:48.800 jumbotron, but also that can help us get to know ourselves better, especially if you've

01:11:53.560 been locked up and covering that, you know what I mean?

01:11:56.600 Holding those things, yeah.

01:11:58.000 It's crazy some of the things that we hold, you know?

01:12:00.160 I got into doing, like, ayahuasca experiences over the past, like, maybe five, six years,

01:12:04.480 and that's helped, like, bring up a lot of old stuff and process it, you know?

01:12:08.100 Yeah.

01:12:08.400 That stuff's been pretty good for me.

01:12:09.680 Now, a lot of that's talking about, going back, we were talking about ego earlier, a

01:12:12.860 lot of that's about getting rid of the ego, in a way.

01:12:16.180 When that's, what's been your, what would you say has been the best thing, most healthy

01:12:20.480 thing for you that those ayahuasca journeys have done for you?

01:12:23.080 I would say it's helped me process a lot of old pain, things that were, like, kind

01:12:29.220 of weights, kind of things that were just, like, clumped up roots of my past, hard mud

01:12:37.080 around them, it just helped that stuff break up.

01:12:39.780 Okay.

01:12:40.100 So it's easy for me to be up here a little bit in my own soil and have an experience

01:12:44.000 to grow, you know, not be locked.

01:12:46.560 Be more receptive, maybe?

01:12:48.220 Yeah, and not stuck in, like, a lot of, like, kind of burned off a lot of, like, old, like,

01:12:53.260 low self-worth stuff.

01:12:54.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:55.380 It's starting to kind of disappear, you know?

01:12:56.820 Have you had any experiences like that?

01:12:59.120 Not with ayahuasca.

01:13:00.900 I mean, I've had, you know, my own, most of my big sort of breakthroughs spiritually have

01:13:07.280 come on singular journeys that I took by myself to places where they didn't know my name.

01:13:13.940 And putting myself in those places, whether it be in Africa or the Amazon and Peru, where

01:13:23.920 everything that I relied on was stripped away, or the year I spent in Australia as an exchange

01:13:29.620 student, where all of my conveniences and my talismans of identity, whether it's my name

01:13:35.520 or my nation or my state or my family, they're all stripped away.

01:13:42.960 And I was forced to rely on myself and forced to kind of look up and go, I'm listening.

01:13:53.940 And, you know, when that truth comes on you, man, it's like a gentle as a butterfly that

01:14:01.180 strong as a lightning bolt.

01:14:02.540 And you've got some things that hit you sometimes.

01:14:04.640 You go, remember this.

01:14:08.100 When you go back into the world and all that onion starts to get pre-peeled again, you start

01:14:13.340 to take on all these things and play these different parts and get these ideas.

01:14:18.320 Remember this to be, what you understand now, to be a non-negotiable truth.

01:14:23.320 It's like, there's an Emerson line about the truth that comes to us in quiet solitude.

01:14:31.280 It makes so much sense, but can we take that amongst the masses?

01:14:35.120 Can we walk into the cathedral, the stadium with 500 million people and still hold that

01:14:42.260 truth to be ours and true for all time?

01:14:45.440 Wow.

01:14:46.480 You know?

01:14:47.100 Yeah, I think that's something as I get older, that's the thing I admire somebody, something

01:14:50.360 the most, somebody that can have just like a quiet self-confidence, you know, an integrity,

01:14:54.980 you know, that you can tell that that's kind of unshakable for them, you know?

01:15:01.460 Well, and it's tough, man, because the world changes.

01:15:07.700 And a lot of times we change by changing with it and adapting.

01:15:10.800 A lot of times we change by staying exactly the same.

01:15:12.640 And all of a sudden we look like an original and you're like, I'm doing the same thing

01:15:15.800 I was doing.

01:15:16.320 I just didn't, I didn't, I just jived when everyone else juked, you know what I mean?

01:15:20.660 Or I just stayed the same while everyone else was juking and jiving.

01:15:24.000 Do you ever feel like that?

01:15:25.160 Like there was a comedy manager one time I was on a plane with him and he said, your audience

01:15:29.320 will evolve, right?

01:15:30.180 Because they'll grow up.

01:15:31.400 But so you have to evolve somewhat, right?

01:15:34.080 But there's a fear, I think, especially with comedians and stuff, well, this worked.

01:15:38.020 Yeah.

01:15:38.180 I got to stay, I got to be that person for, you know, that's what I have to be a lot,

01:15:41.900 you know?

01:15:43.000 Yeah.

01:15:43.560 I mean.

01:15:44.320 I don't know if that's like that for actors.

01:15:45.560 I guess it probably different.

01:15:46.620 No, no, sure.

01:15:47.920 Sure.

01:15:48.200 Or you think like this movie style worked for me, that's what I.

01:15:50.660 Or these choices I made.

01:15:51.900 Oh, everyone likes that when I do that.

01:15:53.980 Yeah.

01:15:54.920 That got memed or that got, you know what I mean?

01:15:56.620 I'm not, doesn't mean I'm going to, you know, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm going to,

01:15:59.920 hey, I did never go, well, make sure you say, all right, all right, all right.

01:16:03.260 Every scene, every movie.

01:16:04.740 I'm not saying that, you know what I mean?

01:16:06.040 Yeah, I'm not saying there's certain things you go.

01:16:07.660 Especially if your character's deaf or whatever, or he's like just in a coma and at the very

01:16:11.420 end he's like.

01:16:12.720 Yeah.

01:16:13.500 Or, or just a pessimist.

01:16:15.460 So that was, I'm saying.

01:16:17.580 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:18.220 Dude, that would be the best.

01:16:19.820 He's like such a Jack Nicholson.

01:16:21.620 Who's Jack Nicholson in that, in that movie where he's just that pessimist?

01:16:25.380 Anger management, is that it or something?

01:16:26.400 Is that it?

01:16:27.020 Yeah.

01:16:27.120 And then at the end you finally, you just say it.

01:16:29.640 Here's your bumper sticker.

01:16:30.720 No, there's certain things that, you know, you know, you get to, I think we all do.

01:16:37.060 Rock band knows what their, what their encore is, you know.

01:16:41.840 Bruce knows they want to hear Born in the USA.

01:16:44.640 How do you sing that, your proverbial fastball, you know.

01:16:50.640 Clemens knows a hundred mile fastball.

01:16:52.820 Don't mean, does he need to know curves and sinkers?

01:16:55.500 Yeah.

01:16:56.840 But do you forgive your fastball?

01:16:58.580 No, you don't forget your fastball.

01:16:59.760 Of course not.

01:17:00.260 I think you go, but how do you do it?

01:17:02.520 What I try to remind myself is if I know I'm going with something that's a fastball,

01:17:05.360 I go, okay, how do I do it like it's the first time each time?

01:17:08.620 I've always wanted that with, well, probably with comedians.

01:17:12.780 You've got something you know, man, bam, it works.

01:17:16.840 How do you do it like that's the first time?

01:17:19.880 How does a band go out and play that song they played 2,000 times, man?

01:17:24.560 Like, how do they get off to it that night?

01:17:26.660 What I've heard is that, oh, you've got a new audience each night,

01:17:29.360 so you're feeding off of them, and it's their first time,

01:17:32.500 so you can give it to them like it's the first time.

01:17:34.380 That's interesting.

01:17:34.820 I never even thought about it like that.

01:17:36.060 Yeah, for me, it's just always tricking myself.

01:17:39.280 Laughing.

01:17:39.780 Sometimes laughing seems very present.

01:17:41.620 Yeah.

01:17:41.820 And so things like that.

01:17:43.980 Some modalities I'll do before, like ice, bass, sauna, those types of things,

01:17:48.200 to just get your energy so like at a fun level of being alive and existing

01:17:52.440 that no matter what you're doing seems fun.

01:17:54.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:55.440 So I think a lot of it is having fun.

01:17:56.760 How much of that, let's talk about that.

01:17:58.160 How much of doing that, being successful, do you think is enjoying what you're doing

01:18:05.600 when you're doing it?

01:18:07.020 Oh, man.

01:18:07.560 Like how much, if you laugh at a joke, and I think I'm agreeing with you here,

01:18:12.720 is that I've done things where I'm like going, I feel confident enough in it

01:18:17.900 where if it makes me laugh and no one else laughs, I'm going to then think that's funny.

01:18:22.580 Yeah.

01:18:23.260 And that will then probably in turn be funny.

01:18:26.820 Well, that might just be a good acting.

01:18:28.960 I mean, yeah, that's probably just a really good way as an actor to be able to like

01:18:34.120 have that shift.

01:18:35.700 Like, okay, if this didn't even land the right way, then that part of it is then funny.

01:18:41.780 Yeah, I think as a comedian, I don't, if I'm taking care of myself and I'm in a good way,

01:18:47.120 then it's going to go good, I know.

01:18:48.800 I just think it's like, they just want to see you having a good time.

01:18:52.160 Especially these days, people are just so, like with podcasting and stuff,

01:18:55.760 people will get to know you so much, they just want to be in the room with you, right?

01:18:58.780 They want the material to be good and you want it to be good.

01:19:01.500 I don't want you to just come.

01:19:02.620 Yeah, you're all there wanting it to be good.

01:19:04.060 Right.

01:19:04.700 And I wouldn't show up if I didn't think it was at least good enough to bring to you

01:19:08.440 to trade for a fair.

01:19:10.220 But a lot of it is just people want to spend time around each other.

01:19:13.100 My greatest mentor, a lady named Penny Allen, who's since moved on,

01:19:16.440 would always say this, you know, and you got a crew making a film,

01:19:19.880 you got 120 people, you got directors, producers, not everyone agrees on everything, right?

01:19:23.580 And you can get into arguments and she was like, just remember this, Matthew.

01:19:26.820 She goes, one thing everyone is there for and wants is a good show.

01:19:33.300 You know what I mean?

01:19:34.360 Right.

01:19:34.720 Like that's a unified...

01:19:35.560 You have different ways of getting it, but everyone, no one's there going,

01:19:37.940 I don't want this to be a good show.

01:19:39.340 You all, everyone wants it to be a good show.

01:19:41.200 Dude, in my head, sometimes I'll get in that thing like, oh, I know how to make this.

01:19:45.640 You know, like that's a part I get stuck sometimes.

01:19:48.400 I want to talk a few minutes more about writing and stuff before you go.

01:19:51.040 Thank you for your time.

01:19:51.880 Sure, man.

01:19:52.400 Poems and Prayers, that's your new book that's out.

01:19:56.140 When did you start writing and who kind of got you into it?

01:19:58.600 I know there's stuff in here from when you were 18, from when you were in high school.

01:20:01.260 That's probably when I started writing longer form poems.

01:20:04.400 And that was a year in Australia where I was one of those times I was lost and wobbly and looking

01:20:08.080 and trying to figure, didn't have friends to rely on, didn't have family to rely on.

01:20:14.640 So I started, you know, dude, I was losing my mind in a good way.

01:20:19.560 I was writing 16-page letters to myself.

01:20:23.700 Damn.

01:20:24.100 And returning them with a 17-page letter.

01:20:27.560 No way, bro.

01:20:28.400 What?

01:20:28.540 Yeah, bro.

01:20:29.600 Socratic dialogue.

01:20:30.320 I was going, hey, man, we got to entertain ourselves.

01:20:33.260 I ain't got no one else to go to, so let's have this out.

01:20:37.100 And so I, you know.

01:20:38.980 What is strange?

01:20:39.580 I mean, it's cool.

01:20:41.160 It's strange.

01:20:41.760 It's unique.

01:20:42.200 It's strange.

01:20:43.240 It's unique.

01:20:44.040 Sorry.

01:20:44.300 It was hard.

01:20:45.180 No, that's a strange thing too.

01:20:45.980 So what were the letters?

01:20:46.700 Were you saying like?

01:20:48.960 Trying to work shit out.

01:20:50.900 Yeah.

01:20:51.260 I was losing my mind.

01:20:52.380 I didn't know what.

01:20:52.860 I didn't have a compass, man.

01:20:56.860 Everything around me was odd and I didn't know if I agreed with it or disagreed with it

01:21:00.880 or if it was just a cultural difference or if it was bullshit.

01:21:03.680 Just getting to know yourself.

01:21:04.660 And I didn't know where to stand until I got pushed to where I had to make a stand.

01:21:09.480 And boy, when I had to make a stand.

01:21:11.280 Yeah.

01:21:12.760 You know, when this host family wanted me to call a mom and pop.

01:21:17.660 And I went, no, I'm not going to do that.

01:21:24.640 I appreciate you thinking of me that way, but I still have my mom and dad.

01:21:29.000 And I remember at the time why I said this part, I do not know, but it was like I thought

01:21:33.420 it would ease the blow a little bit.

01:21:34.900 I remember saying this.

01:21:35.560 I was like, no, I have a mom and dad and they're still alive.

01:21:38.520 Yeah.

01:21:38.800 I gave them this little context.

01:21:39.900 Like, oh, just in case.

01:21:41.940 Like, what the hell does that matter?

01:21:43.480 Anyway, you know, and to make that stand and go, no, and then call them, say goodnight

01:21:48.800 and call them by their first names and then wake up the next morning, my alarm clock was

01:21:52.700 a screaming woman going, he won't call me mom, going, oh, shit.

01:21:58.380 And then going to her and going, no, I won't.

01:22:00.840 But putting an arm around her and going, you know.

01:22:03.620 Creating some boundaries for yourself, figuring.

01:22:05.200 I had to create a boundary.

01:22:06.580 That's it.

01:22:07.040 I was looking.

01:22:07.540 I didn't.

01:22:07.740 And so to do that is part of, I think, a big part of identity.

01:22:12.760 And so I started writing.

01:22:14.020 I'd written since I was probably 12, but I started writing poems and jotting down prayers

01:22:18.780 and things when I was, like I said, lost, wobbly, and looking, but also times where

01:22:23.240 things were going well and I felt spiritually strong and going like, well, what are some

01:22:27.140 habits I got right now?

01:22:28.620 What are some ways I'm seeing the world where the world seems to be, I'm putting this out

01:22:32.780 of my soul and it's music and the world's kind of throwing back the next beat right

01:22:36.820 at me and we got a tune going, you know.

01:22:41.520 And then I stepped in the ship.

01:22:42.960 Well, that's part of the tune, you know.

01:22:45.040 They laughed at my joke.

01:22:45.920 Hey, that's part of the tune, too.

01:22:47.000 Oh, they were crickets.

01:22:47.800 They didn't laugh.

01:22:48.300 Yep, that's still part of the same song, you know.

01:22:50.960 Right, it's all part of the same song, yeah.

01:22:52.940 Instead of trying to get this old, this song, like just the perfect song, you know, just

01:22:57.460 recognize it's a long song.

01:22:58.860 It's a long song.

01:23:00.120 Yeah.

01:23:00.720 And so poems and prayers, look, you know, I'm trying to sell Sunday morning like a Saturday

01:23:08.360 night.

01:23:10.280 Meaning there's a lot of good stuff, whether it's you ringing up stuff in the Bible that

01:23:16.300 has a lot of good stuff for living.

01:23:18.220 There's a lot of good things we've learned from mentors and other philosophers and great

01:23:22.420 books and wisdoms of the past that we're told to do.

01:23:29.900 And I know this.

01:23:30.700 No one really likes to be told what to do most of the time.

01:23:33.680 And we also don't really like to get advice.

01:23:36.720 I don't like getting advice.

01:23:37.860 I tell every director I work with, I tell them right off the bat, I'm easy to work with.

01:23:40.880 Just don't tell me what to do.

01:23:41.940 Right.

01:23:42.220 You find a way to make me think it was my idea.

01:23:53.840 There you go.

01:23:55.620 I don't even know you did it, but don't tell me.

01:23:57.240 And I'll just go, there you go.

01:23:58.360 That's right.

01:23:59.300 You know what I mean?

01:23:59.840 But if you can put it in a rhyme, if it can have a bit of a ditty to it, if you can dance

01:24:07.340 to it, and it's a good word, it's more fun to digest it.

01:24:12.980 It makes the broccoli taste like candy.

01:24:14.820 Yeah.

01:24:15.400 You know, and you go like, oh, okay, I can have a beer on the way to the temple.

01:24:18.740 Thank you.

01:24:19.720 Yeah.

01:24:20.200 You know what I mean?

01:24:20.860 Right.

01:24:21.120 I mean, I'd rather have a beer on the way to the temple and be headed to the temple than

01:24:26.700 abstain, say I'm abstaining from having a beer, but headed to the, headed the wrong

01:24:31.660 direction to the desert.

01:24:32.980 Right.

01:24:33.760 Yeah.

01:24:34.080 I never liked taking suggestions.

01:24:36.160 It's always been hard for me, I think.

01:24:38.280 Well, it's tough in your life when things go pretty good sometimes to like want to relinquish

01:24:41.700 the wheel, you know?

01:24:42.680 Hell yeah.

01:24:43.980 But, but, but at the same time, when things are going well, you're responsible for that.

01:24:52.620 But don't give up the right to believe in that you got, you had your hands on the wheel.

01:24:57.440 When we're, when we're, things are going well, we should not be so humble to believe

01:25:01.120 that, oh, it's all just fate.

01:25:04.120 Yeah.

01:25:04.680 I think God wants our hands on the wheel.

01:25:07.900 And I think God's, my hunch is God's going, I got too many people relying on fate.

01:25:13.880 Hmm.

01:25:15.320 Yeah, that's a good point.

01:25:16.500 Take control of things.

01:25:17.600 You know, when things are going, there's a, give yourself the ownership of going.

01:25:22.620 I did that.

01:25:23.300 Wouldn't, all me.

01:25:24.860 Right.

01:25:25.140 Other things in the world happen that I'll never understand, timing and fortune and everything.

01:25:29.860 But give ourself credit when we look at the mirror and go, you're partially, you're partially

01:25:34.200 responsible for that, bud.

01:25:35.240 All right, here we go.

01:25:36.420 Yeah.

01:25:37.200 Yeah, to build some sort of gravity within yourself, you know?

01:25:39.980 And understanding.

01:25:41.020 Yeah.

01:25:41.820 Because there's, because it doesn't mean, and understand that there's, the other, the

01:25:46.240 hard part about when we're, when we're succeeding, I think, catching green lines, got our

01:25:49.640 hand on the wheel.

01:25:50.140 And we're, we're just smooth and true traffic and life's like this.

01:25:53.440 The hard part is believing, oh, this is how it's going to always be.

01:25:57.280 Oh, yeah.

01:25:57.940 Because it ain't.

01:25:59.840 There comes, you'll blow a, blow a tire, man.

01:26:03.000 Some goofball's going to run a red light and hit you.

01:26:05.700 You're going to run out of gas.

01:26:07.020 Something's going to go wrong.

01:26:08.600 So there'll be times you don't have your hands on the wheel or you don't know where

01:26:11.160 you're going.

01:26:11.540 So knowing that those times are coming, I think it's another reason to go, well, when

01:26:15.820 my hands are on the wheel and shit's working out, let's look in the mirror and give myself

01:26:19.920 a little bit of a wink here, boss.

01:26:21.200 There you go.

01:26:21.920 Let's turn our favorite music up a little bit.

01:26:23.380 Yeah.

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01:26:58.100 Um, you know, there's one buddy talked about prayer too, that I thought was pretty cool.

01:27:01.440 Trying to think.

01:27:02.240 Prayer is worship, putting our head, putting our heart above our head.

01:27:06.960 It's a beautiful sentiment, man.

01:27:09.320 Prayer comes from worshiping, which means to literally bow down so we can put our heart

01:27:14.460 above our head.

01:27:15.720 Mm.

01:27:16.300 So it's a physical, engineered act to listen to our heart.

01:27:23.180 Compassion, kindness, forgiveness, peace above our head.

01:27:26.740 And we live in a world that is all, we're told, head above heart, man.

01:27:30.200 Yeah.

01:27:30.320 Make it, more, quantity, win, however you do it.

01:27:33.340 Head up, look at the Jumbotron.

01:27:34.500 Right.

01:27:35.880 And the humility of putting your heart above your head, literally just physiologically

01:27:41.800 is such a cool image for what that's for.

01:27:44.000 And I don't think a lot of people, I didn't know, that that is what prayer is actually

01:27:47.700 engineered for.

01:27:49.540 That's why you bow.

01:27:51.660 You bend a knee and you bow to put your head below your heart and your heart above your

01:27:56.720 head so you can hear the sacred within you.

01:27:59.040 And the sacred's coming from the heart and soul.

01:28:02.000 I'm all for knowledge that we gain in our head.

01:28:04.800 And we need knowledge to understand reason.

01:28:08.640 Yeah.

01:28:09.520 But there's a lot of stuff that we don't, the math doesn't add up and that's languages of

01:28:13.540 the soul.

01:28:14.180 And it's not supposed to add up.

01:28:15.520 And I think that's part of the pursuit of God.

01:28:18.360 That's what I've always, I think God loves a scientist because that's, scientists are the

01:28:21.920 practical pursuit of God.

01:28:24.460 Well, there's some spiritual stuff that we're not supposed to be able to make sense of.

01:28:27.760 I agree.

01:28:28.220 That's what faith comes from.

01:28:29.540 Everything doesn't have a balance sheet.

01:28:30.800 Everything you can't figure out.

01:28:31.920 Everything, like, especially emotions, you can't, you can't, like, there's not a lot

01:28:37.540 of math on them.

01:28:38.280 No.

01:28:38.740 Yeah.

01:28:39.080 No.

01:28:39.520 Like, instincts, all of that kind of stuff.

01:28:41.500 I think, like, that's something I want to lean even more into in my life is just, like,

01:28:46.080 believing, like, there's not, I just have to know.

01:28:48.900 I have to know that what this feeling I have inside of me is real.

01:28:51.500 I don't need to read an article to tell me.

01:28:53.000 I don't need to read this or know this.

01:28:55.560 Even if somebody shows me some fool's gold that they believe in, I have to know that

01:28:59.880 this God-created compass inside of me has some semblance of direction and factuality,

01:29:08.980 you know?

01:29:09.360 And it takes a lot of trust and faith to do that, and it ain't easy.

01:29:15.940 And I, you know, one that I always give myself a little amnesty on is from this Benedictic

01:29:21.540 monk named Thomas Maraton, and he said, God, I believe that trying to please you pleases

01:29:31.480 you.

01:29:32.900 So sometimes when we don't know, I think it's okay to give ourself a little pat on the back

01:29:37.460 and go, at least I'm trying.

01:29:40.520 And I kind of trust that that pleases God, that I'm giving an effort.

01:29:44.960 Yeah, some grace, huh?

01:29:46.260 Yeah, grace.

01:29:47.260 Yes, sir.

01:29:47.860 Give ourselves some grace.

01:29:48.940 Well, thank you, Matt.

01:29:51.740 Yeah, thanks for taking time to even contribute this to the world, help people think.

01:29:56.940 There's a lot of neat things to think about in here, like leadership, courage, little avenues.

01:30:01.820 Yeah.

01:30:02.080 I think it's something that I wrote down here.

01:30:03.320 Carve and burn was one that I wrote.

01:30:04.720 Carve and burn.

01:30:05.860 The wheat from the chaffed, the fat.

01:30:08.360 From the meat.

01:30:09.380 Yeah, man.

01:30:10.180 We got to...

01:30:11.060 In the name of transformation.

01:30:11.820 That's that weed pulling we were talking about at the top of the show.

01:30:14.620 We got to tend our own garden, man, around our soul, make sure we're pulling the weeds.

01:30:18.900 Because you can look down, you can go, where's that diamond?

01:30:21.340 Yeah.

01:30:21.740 Where did it go?

01:30:22.420 Oh, it's covered in all the weeds I let go.

01:30:24.600 I know.

01:30:25.720 In the name of transformation, die a little instead of completely.

01:30:29.200 I really like that.

01:30:30.180 Yeah.

01:30:30.440 That's really about like having that extra beat of courage, that extra, you know, just

01:30:34.660 believing that there's, you know, that there's something here if you just stay in this space,

01:30:42.360 you know?

01:30:42.800 Well, transformation comes with sacrifice.

01:30:45.920 And that's part of dying a little bit.

01:30:48.920 If you're nothing but transactional all the way through life, not transformation, if you're

01:30:53.660 only transactional relationships, if you're only seeking work or things that can only pay

01:30:59.500 your bank account.

01:31:01.140 Or things that you know that are definitely, that are quantifiable, right?

01:31:04.680 That you know the outcome, right?

01:31:06.300 There's not a lot of faith in that definitiveness.

01:31:08.460 No.

01:31:08.720 And that transaction, if it's purely for transaction, if our life is purely transactional, then you

01:31:15.460 die.

01:31:15.760 In the end, you die all the way.

01:31:17.080 You die a lot.

01:31:19.740 You're dead.

01:31:21.720 All right?

01:31:22.820 Transformational, you will die a little.

01:31:24.780 It's because you make it a sacrifice to live forever.

01:31:29.500 Yeah, it's cool, man.

01:31:31.500 There's a lot of neat stuff to think about in here.

01:31:33.920 A lot of prayer, too.

01:31:34.940 Do you have kind of a prayer practice?

01:31:36.180 Or what's that been like in your life?

01:31:37.380 Or what did you even learn when you were a kid?

01:31:38.880 Do you remember the first time that you ever prayed?

01:31:40.980 Yeah.

01:31:41.520 We can finish on that conversation.

01:31:42.940 First prayers.

01:31:45.820 My mom was a big baseline gratitude.

01:31:48.260 And we grew up Methodist, which is, you know, wasn't a lot of fire and brimstone.

01:31:52.600 It was more be thankful for what you have and try and multiply that with yourself and

01:31:57.040 others.

01:31:58.500 And I remember if we come to the breakfast table, like kind of grumpy or something, mom

01:32:05.040 would be in there cooking breakfast and she'd grab us by the arm, walk us back down to our

01:32:09.520 bedroom and go, you getting in bed.

01:32:11.160 You know, you get in bed.

01:32:12.180 She goes, no, no, back under the cover.

01:32:13.700 She's already dressed, getting back under the cover.

01:32:14.800 She goes, don't you come to my breakfast table where I'm cooking you on my breakfast

01:32:19.860 until you're ready to see the rose in the vase instead of the dust on the damn table.

01:32:24.800 And you're like, oh, geez, I'm coming back.

01:32:26.240 So you came back.

01:32:26.720 Hey, good morning, mom.

01:32:27.360 There we go.

01:32:27.820 Good morning.

01:32:28.380 She's like, never happened.

01:32:29.820 Or, you know, we're arguing about, man, I got this one pair of caper shoes and they

01:32:33.540 got holes in them and I need another pair of shoes, you know.

01:32:37.040 You better quit bitching about having no shoes.

01:32:39.360 I'm going to introduce you to the kid with no feet.

01:32:41.180 Whoa, geez.

01:32:41.960 So she was big on baseline gratitude.

01:32:44.800 Yeah.

01:32:45.360 And going, before you get into, you know, being upset or pouty about anything today,

01:32:52.540 look outside this curtain.

01:32:53.860 Do you see the sun rose again?

01:32:55.020 That was not a guarantee.

01:32:56.160 Amen.

01:32:57.340 Yeah, before you get how you feel about it, let's look at the facts.

01:32:59.920 Let's look at what gift was given.

01:33:02.760 Now we may have a hard day.

01:33:04.260 We may have something we've got to work with, but that's baseline gratitudes that you cannot,

01:33:08.020 do not take for granted.

01:33:09.900 And now I have a tool to work with it with.

01:33:11.660 You show up with some gratitude.

01:33:12.760 It certainly makes things smoother.

01:33:15.560 Do you think, last question, do you think that, and this is back to football,

01:33:18.740 because do you think that the Oklahoma, Texas, do you think those teams like being in the SEC now?

01:33:29.200 Yes.

01:33:29.660 You do?

01:33:30.140 Yeah.

01:33:30.900 Well, I know Texas does.

01:33:32.620 And look, I think Oklahoma does too, and I think A&M did when they did.

01:33:35.900 I don't think, you know, there were rumblings that A&M didn't want us coming over there,

01:33:39.760 but I think in their heart of hearts, they got enough chutzpah that they wanted us to come there.

01:33:43.660 They wanted to, let's get that rivalry going again.

01:33:45.680 I know Texas wants to be there.

01:33:47.360 Yeah.

01:33:47.540 We want the greatest competition.

01:33:49.180 We want to be in the greatest conference, and we want the greatest competition,

01:33:51.980 and we want to push ourselves to compete at that highest level.

01:33:55.980 Yeah.

01:33:57.480 It is exciting.

01:33:58.460 Yeah, I just, yeah, I wondered that a little bit, because, you know, you just get so used

01:34:01.660 to things being a certain way, you know, and you're like, and then something else comes

01:34:05.340 in, and I was like, do they really love it, you know?

01:34:08.900 So, yeah, I was just curious.

01:34:11.360 Thanks for helping me think, man.

01:34:12.420 Good to see you today, bro.

01:34:13.640 Good to see you, Tim.

01:34:14.140 Yep.

01:34:14.640 Congratulations.

01:34:15.140 Thanks for sharing so many creative things with us over the years and helping us have

01:34:19.200 thoughts and feelings.

01:34:20.080 Like, I've had a lot of emotion to your movies and been inspired and felt things and unfelt

01:34:28.320 things, you know, by watching your art over the years.

01:34:31.700 And so, thank you so much.

01:34:32.780 Thank you for Greenlights.

01:34:33.560 Thank you for this new book.

01:34:35.360 It's out now, Poems and Prayers.

01:34:38.300 Yeah, just a lot of good stuff to fodder, to think about and feel about.

01:34:42.260 So, thank you so much, man.

01:34:43.500 You're welcome.

01:34:44.100 Good to be here, man.

01:34:44.800 Yes, sir.

01:34:45.100 Now, I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

01:34:51.060 I must be cornerstone.

01:34:56.220 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind.

01:35:01.120 I found I can feel it.

01:35:03.560 In my bones.

01:35:05.180 But it's gonna take...

01:35:07.620 Thank you.

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - November 20, 2025

#625 - Matthew McConaughey

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