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00:01:36.580 Today's guest is a host. He's an interviewer. He's a provocateur, if you will.

00:01:42.600 We had him on previously, and we had a great time.

00:01:46.160 He has his own podcast called The Tucker Carlson Show.

00:01:50.920 He was just ranked one of the top ten podcasts in America.

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00:01:57.220 Today's guest is Mr. Tucker Carlson.

00:02:00.500 Shine on me

00:02:03.980 And I will find a song

00:02:08.220 I've been singing

00:02:09.420 I'm on the show

00:02:10.340 We want to support ALP, too, so I'm excited about that.

00:02:18.080 Well, that started on the show, which is kind of weird.

00:02:20.740 That ALP started on the show?

00:02:22.160 Oh, yeah, that's right.

00:02:23.000 It was your show.

00:02:24.220 You did it.

00:02:25.560 It's when they threatened me.

00:02:26.520 It's when PMI, Philip Morris, wrote me this letter.

00:02:29.280 You were on a well-known comedian's podcast, and you said this about our product.

00:02:32.520 I was like, fuck you, and started my own.

00:02:34.720 And it's been really successful, so I'm grateful.

00:02:37.060 So did they get upset about anything you said on the show?

00:02:39.520 On your show?

00:02:40.100 Yeah.

00:02:40.980 Yeah, because they said it was like a boner cure or whatever.

00:02:43.940 Oh, yeah.

00:02:44.720 It's Viagra, which it totally is.

00:02:46.940 You think nicotine helps your erection?

00:02:50.700 Yeah.

00:02:51.440 Oh, I don't think it helps mine.

00:02:54.340 You know, I don't think you're using enough.

00:02:55.980 I mean, I've hit a, you know, hit a vape like I'm just, you know, like I'm keeping a train going, you know?

00:03:01.780 Mid-act?

00:03:02.720 Like keeping like a Amtrak.

00:03:04.280 Like I'm leading an Amtrak.

00:03:04.960 It's hard to vape while you're actually engaged in, right?

00:03:08.580 But that's the beauty of a pouch.

00:03:09.800 You can double up during.

00:03:11.420 Oh, I like that.

00:03:12.300 I mean, that's...

00:03:13.300 Well, it's definitely like a battery pack.

00:03:14.340 Doctors recommend I'm not, obviously.

00:03:16.540 Nothing to do with me.

00:03:17.280 I'm still like using fire, you know?

00:03:18.900 It's like if I'm sitting there just huffing on a vape, killing time.

00:03:23.120 Also, if you're not getting an erection, you're trying to kill time until you get one.

00:03:26.420 That's the toughest thing that people never talk about about erectile dysfunction.

00:03:30.120 Really?

00:03:31.000 Yeah, because you're like...

00:03:31.980 It's like waiting at the DMV, kind of?

00:03:33.560 Yeah, kind of, but...

00:03:34.560 Waiting for some lady to call you?

00:03:35.980 Is that...

00:03:36.260 Yeah, it's the same.

00:03:38.180 If it's...

00:03:38.820 Maybe it's that girl, Bonnie Blue.

00:03:40.940 She's like number 49 or whatever.

00:03:44.160 Not ready.

00:03:45.860 Yeah, that'd be crazy.

00:03:48.000 Just give me a couple minutes.

00:03:49.460 No, dude.

00:03:50.080 The lies I would used to have to make up because I had pretty bad erectile dysfunction like in

00:03:53.400 my 20s and the lies I'd have to make up.

00:03:55.240 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:03:56.780 Without getting too personal, how did you have erectile dysfunction in your 20s?

00:04:00.280 Dude, I moved in with a guy who...

00:04:03.100 Okay, mistake number one.

00:04:04.440 Right.

00:04:04.860 For sure, that didn't help.

00:04:06.480 But that's because he had a script of wiener pills, and so I'd get over there, so I'd nibble

00:04:12.880 off of his wiener pills, and this is when wiener pills were really first popular.

00:04:17.380 When they were first out of the gate, when people...

00:04:19.600 Like, you had to get prescription, right?

00:04:21.300 Now you can just do, like, telehealth.

00:04:23.020 Now you can get some Indian guy who'll just mail you a bag of them, you know?

00:04:26.920 Um, and they have saffron on them, which is sometimes it's kind of a lot, but you take

00:04:31.700 what you can get.

00:04:32.680 But, um, but dude, I would stay over with him, and he would, uh, and he didn't notice.

00:04:38.200 He would drink a lot, so he didn't notice.

00:04:39.620 Sometimes I would, like, cut one in half or just take one, you know?

00:04:43.160 But so I was living with, like, a 70-year-old dude just to copse part of his wiener pills

00:04:48.400 script because...

00:04:49.260 So you were a kept man.

00:04:50.480 Viagra kept you there.

00:04:51.420 But dude, that was a crazy...

00:04:54.580 When I think back of the reality of that, that was bonkers.

00:04:57.900 Yeah.

00:04:58.900 Fair.

00:04:59.420 Even by L.A. standards, that's pretty far out.

00:05:01.480 Yeah.

00:05:01.620 Usually you move in with a sugar daddy for, like, the cocaine or something, but you were

00:05:04.900 there for the boner pills.

00:05:06.780 But can I ask, how do you think you wound up needing him in the first place at that age?

00:05:10.940 Just too much mental, too much in my head, you know?

00:05:13.500 Like, I would try to be getting a boner or whatever, and my brain would be like, you got

00:05:16.680 a little boner, bitch, or whatever?

00:05:18.160 Like, my brain did not like me, you know?

00:05:20.820 And we lived together, and so it was like a constant battle.

00:05:25.840 But then I think as I've gotten older and gotten more calm, it's been easier.

00:05:30.900 It's just been more calm.

00:05:32.820 That's so interesting.

00:05:34.360 So you were, like, trying to defeat yourself?

00:05:36.380 Yes.

00:05:37.020 I would be like...

00:05:38.120 Or if I couldn't get it started, it was just like, man, you know?

00:05:42.320 So then you're killing time.

00:05:43.580 You're like, hey, you know, it's like, you want to watch a pro...

00:05:46.840 You know, it's like, let's put on a...

00:05:47.900 You know, just like trying to kill time while you're waiting to get a boner.

00:05:51.060 It's very, you know, that's a tough gig.

00:05:55.560 That should be an Olympic sport, I think.

00:05:57.160 Like the biathlon.

00:05:58.240 Yeah.

00:05:58.700 It's weird, but there are a few people in the world really good at it.

00:06:00.900 Really?

00:06:01.360 Yeah.

00:06:01.640 Well, biathlon, for sure.

00:06:02.760 I don't know.

00:06:03.180 Boner waiting.

00:06:04.080 Biathlon is the cross-country...

00:06:05.500 Boner waiting, yeah.

00:06:06.700 Right?

00:06:07.080 I don't think it's quite...

00:06:07.920 It's not actually certified yet.

00:06:09.400 But no, biathlon is the cross-country skiing and then shooting.

00:06:13.760 Oh, yeah.

00:06:14.660 I have seen that.

00:06:15.380 That's pretty fun.

00:06:16.660 Well, it's wild because these guys are just like huffing.

00:06:19.700 You know, imagine being oxygen deprived and then trying to shoot straight or do anything, really.

00:06:25.100 Oh, look, this is the skill we're all going to need probably in a few years if we want to survive.

00:06:28.620 So I think that this...

00:06:29.300 100%.

00:06:29.540 This is very important.

00:06:31.000 Totally agree.

00:06:31.580 But does ALP...

00:06:33.260 So ALP is your brand.

00:06:35.180 ALP is our brand.

00:06:36.060 We started it because of your show.

00:06:38.980 Because the first and only other time I've ever been here, we were in some other city.

00:06:43.440 We're in Bellagio.

00:06:44.220 We were in the Bellagio.

00:06:45.060 In Vegas, right.

00:06:45.420 In Vegas.

00:06:45.600 Sorry.

00:06:47.200 And I had it and you said, what's that?

00:06:48.880 And I made a joke about how it was a marital aid or something.

00:06:53.120 Not even a funny joke.

00:06:54.320 And then about a week later, I got a letter from the general counsel's office at Philip Morris International,

00:07:00.660 which owns Zinn.

00:07:02.080 And they said, how dare you make unsubstantiated medical claims about our product?

00:07:05.720 And I was like, first of all, I'm shilling your product just to be nice because I like it.

00:07:09.920 And now you're scolding me for making a boner joke, which, by the way, was a compliment.

00:07:14.020 Yeah.

00:07:14.380 If somebody's Zinn and then suddenly they got that dong going, who cares?

00:07:17.960 You know what I'm saying?

00:07:18.460 I thought it was funny.

00:07:19.440 I thought it was a compliment.

00:07:20.660 But they were so corporate and nasty with me that I decided I'm going to make a competing product.

00:07:26.200 And we did.

00:07:26.740 And then around that time, probably about a week or two later, I asked around.

00:07:30.320 And I never really asked anyone about Zinn.

00:07:31.680 And I found out that almost every other person using Zinn was using it rectally.

00:07:34.940 I literally had no idea.

00:07:36.500 They were using it what?

00:07:37.200 They were rectally.

00:07:38.120 Yeah, they use it rectally.

00:07:39.060 Most Zinn users use it rectally.

00:07:40.860 And I didn't know that.

00:07:42.120 What?

00:07:42.880 Yeah.

00:07:43.040 Where at?

00:07:43.520 Like five kappas or whatever?

00:07:45.380 No, no, no, no, no.

00:07:46.040 Just normal consumers of it.

00:07:47.340 Like, in fact, in a lot of places when you buy it, you get a little tube of – I don't know if you ever bought it,

00:07:50.860 but you get a little tube of Vaseline and some surgical gloves.

00:07:53.520 No, I'm serious.

00:07:54.680 And I had no idea.

00:07:56.320 And I was like, in a country of 350 million people, like there should be a pouch for your mouth.

00:08:01.960 Yeah.

00:08:02.360 You know, it shouldn't all be rectally used.

00:08:04.180 And by the way, I'm not in any way judging at all.

00:08:06.280 I think it's consistent with like other parts of their lives.

00:08:08.880 But whatever.

00:08:09.540 I was like, this country needs an oral use only pouch.

00:08:12.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:13.860 And so we made one.

00:08:15.140 And so you guys made one.

00:08:16.120 Yeah, but I didn't know any of that.

00:08:17.460 And I'm like hapless – you know, I'm putting it in my mouth.

00:08:19.300 And occasionally people would look at me like on a plane or whatever.

00:08:21.220 I put it in my mouth and they would give me that look like, that's not what you're supposed to do with that.

00:08:24.140 But I didn't even know – I didn't have any reference points for it.

00:08:27.540 But, you know, you learn stuff as you age.

00:08:29.740 Yeah.

00:08:30.020 If you're using that third jaw, I think, to catch a nicotine hit, that's pretty wild.

00:08:35.700 Well, the problem is you can overdo it and you forget.

00:08:38.620 It's hard to keep track of how many are there.

00:08:40.300 Oh, yeah.

00:08:41.060 And you can just – a lot of things can happen.

00:08:42.520 I've never done it, but I have talked to people who are into it.

00:08:44.660 Oh, it'll build up like a beaver dam back there, I feel like.

00:08:47.400 You know, that's crazy.

00:08:51.000 Tucker, good to see you, man.

00:08:52.540 That's great.

00:08:53.280 Here we are.

00:08:54.040 We've already discussed erectile dysfunction, which I admitted I had, which is definitely never going to help my dating life.

00:08:59.120 But here we are.

00:09:00.820 No, I think it makes you more relatable, less threatening.

00:09:03.960 I bet you get a lot of calls after this, actually.

00:09:06.600 Well, I will say this, though.

00:09:08.220 If you took an erection pill, say you went on a date or something that was going pretty well and you took part of – or you nibbled off a little piece.

00:09:14.080 Because do not make the mistake of taking a whole one.

00:09:16.860 What happens?

00:09:17.780 Dude, I couldn't even hug somebody goodbye.

00:09:19.640 I was just like –

00:09:21.320 You know, like –

00:09:22.160 You're like in seventh grade again.

00:09:23.500 Oh, dude, yeah, yeah.

00:09:24.680 Calves were stopping.

00:09:25.760 It was like, what do you want, you know?

00:09:27.780 Calves were –

00:09:31.100 That wasn't good, dude.

00:09:32.860 Like, that was – yeah, you take a whole one, dude.

00:09:37.440 Yeah, people will start hanging their coats on you and stuff.

00:09:40.100 It's really – it can be a lot.

00:09:42.340 But, yeah, you would just nibble off enough.

00:09:44.280 You started to gauge how much you needed.

00:09:45.900 You'd nibble off –

00:09:46.240 I feel like you could become dependent on it, though.

00:09:48.280 Oh, you definitely did.

00:09:49.140 But at a certain point, it, like, alleviated, like, the fear of, like, of this – of kind of – of the – it alleviated the fear.

00:09:59.260 Your performance anxiety.

00:10:00.160 Right.

00:10:00.640 It kind of like – so then after a while, you didn't need it all the time.

00:10:04.100 So it kind of –

00:10:05.000 That sounds helpful.

00:10:05.880 Yeah.

00:10:06.120 It was kind of like training wheels in a way type of thing.

00:10:07.980 You know what I'm saying?

00:10:08.980 Totally.

00:10:09.520 Yeah.

00:10:09.820 Like you use it and then you don't need it.

00:10:11.420 But, yeah, dude, that was a weird time.

00:10:14.640 Dude, I – one time, I was over there and – so the dude, like, we only had – we only had one bedroom, so I would just sleep on the couch, right?

00:10:26.080 Are you sure there's not more to this story?

00:10:27.540 There's nothing more.

00:10:28.540 Okay.

00:10:28.860 So an older man moves you into his house and gives you boner pills, but it's totally on the level.

00:10:32.640 Like, there was nothing weird at all.

00:10:33.920 My friend's dad.

00:10:34.920 Oh, okay.

00:10:35.280 Okay, good.

00:10:35.740 Okay.

00:10:35.980 It's important.

00:10:36.300 My friend's dad.

00:10:36.720 And I think he, like, cheated on his wife or something, so he got kicked out.

00:10:39.820 Yeah.

00:10:39.960 And so – and I was looking for a place to live.

00:10:42.900 Anyway, I used to go – like, I was learning the guitar at the time, and so he would have this lady stay over sometimes, and he would have me come in there and play music to him in the dark and shit, and I just learned how to play Tears in Heaven.

00:10:55.400 Just to – again, to stand back and, you know, with no prior knowledge of the story at all, but just to, like, assess the facts as you've laid them out.

00:11:02.160 You get invited to live with an older man.

00:11:04.340 Yeah.

00:11:05.060 And a girl.

00:11:06.060 He was athletic.

00:11:06.660 He played tennis.

00:11:07.460 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:11:08.200 And a girl who has a stash of boner pills, and then he invites you into the bedroom with him and the girl to serenade them.

00:11:14.080 Yes, at night, kind of at –

00:11:15.500 And this never got freaky at all, like, not for one second.

00:11:17.680 You were like, that's totally normal.

00:11:18.760 Yeah, not at all.

00:11:20.160 But it just – it was weird enough.

00:11:22.400 It's the most L.A. story ever.

00:11:24.440 It happened in Louisiana.

00:11:26.020 Oh, no way.

00:11:26.920 I was thinking you were like Kato Kaelin in the guest house.

00:11:29.440 This happened in downtown New Orleans, dude.

00:11:31.320 And I used to borrow his car.

00:11:32.680 It wouldn't turn off.

00:11:33.500 If you turned it off, you couldn't turn it back on.

00:11:35.460 So you had to leave it running all the time, and you had to, like, put gas into it.

00:11:39.400 So I'd use his car to go to school over there at Loyola, and I would just leave it running.

00:11:44.640 I would just, like, leave it running all day, dude.

00:11:49.260 Anyway, Tucker Carlson, good to see you, man.

00:11:51.900 It's great to see you.

00:11:53.480 Great to see you.

00:11:54.160 Congrats on Alp.

00:11:54.980 Is it doing well?

00:11:55.980 Well, I remember I went to y'all's party last year, and there was a lot of neat people there.

00:12:01.900 Josh Smith was there, I remember.

00:12:05.220 Lexi was there.

00:12:08.000 Mel Gibson was there last year.

00:12:09.400 Did he come?

00:12:09.960 Yeah.

00:12:10.300 That was really nice of him.

00:12:11.160 He's a great guy.

00:12:11.780 He's a great guy, and there are a lot of people.

00:12:13.340 Yeah, no, it's actually done –

00:12:15.000 Jimmy John was there.

00:12:16.280 Love Jimmy John, Leo Toe, one of my favorites.

00:12:18.020 Vince Vaughn.

00:12:18.860 All, you know, good guys.

00:12:20.060 People who like nicotine.

00:12:21.100 Nicotine's super important.

00:12:22.140 This country's gotten far sadder and less healthy since it was discouraged, and it's coming back, and I think it shows.

00:12:31.320 Like, people are just happier.

00:12:32.980 But, no, the company's done – I've never been in business.

00:12:36.200 I've never sold anything.

00:12:37.160 I've only talked for a living.

00:12:38.400 I didn't grow up around business.

00:12:39.660 I know nothing about it.

00:12:40.500 I'm terrible at math.

00:12:42.060 So, yeah, it's done really well.

00:12:43.660 So well that I feel a little bit embarrassed.

00:12:46.240 But we have a big factory near here, 14 manufacturing lines, and it's like – it's cool.

00:12:53.160 Wow.

00:12:53.680 I like it.

00:12:54.520 Yeah?

00:12:55.300 It's actually been the single most amusing and purely fun thing I've ever done.

00:13:01.440 Of course, I have no role in, like, the business.

00:13:04.200 You would never allow me near a business ever.

00:13:07.140 But I'm super enthusiastic.

00:13:09.620 I help pick the name and the design and the flavors.

00:13:12.540 Like, I know a lot about that because I'm a lifelong nicotine user over 40 years.

00:13:15.560 I know a lot about nicotine, but I know nothing about business.

00:13:17.660 So I'm not involved in any of that.

00:13:19.280 My college roommate runs it and is, you know, my best friend.

00:13:23.840 So I – but I hear about it.

00:13:25.460 But basically, yeah, it's been wildly successful because I think people want a pouch that you can put in your mouth.

00:13:30.980 You don't have to put it in your butt.

00:13:32.660 And a lot of people felt like they did.

00:13:34.060 There's just a lot of pressure to do that.

00:13:35.980 And you feel it all around you.

00:13:37.240 Like, oh, it's totally cool.

00:13:38.100 All the guys are doing it.

00:13:38.800 And some people are like, I'm not going to do that.

00:13:41.360 Yeah, and I don't want to have to go to, like, a Tiesto or a John Summit or a Levity concert or have to go to, like, a widespread panic concert to get somebody to boof it into my butt through a straw or something.

00:13:52.900 It's like, how do you even get help getting it in if you need help?

00:13:56.120 Well, I think that's part of it.

00:13:57.280 I think for a lot of people, Zen is a group activity.

00:13:59.360 Like, it happens, you know, with, like, friends.

00:14:03.120 Yeah.

00:14:03.640 But – and that's fine.

00:14:05.040 Teasing him.

00:14:05.700 I can't believe that was the song I played, and that's what they made me play, dude.

00:14:13.100 Would you know –

00:14:14.160 Shut up!

00:14:15.600 That's the old –

00:14:16.220 When you were serenading the boner pill guy and his girlfriend?

00:14:18.660 Yeah, what do you think I would play?

00:14:19.760 I only knew that in Every Rose Has Its Thorn.

00:14:21.580 Come on.

00:14:23.520 Those are, like, two of the beginner songs, man.

00:14:25.820 Wow.

00:14:26.540 I was pretty good.

00:14:27.200 I would think it would be, like, Brown-Eyed Girl or something.

00:14:29.100 Older guy.

00:14:29.680 Oh, definitely.

00:14:30.520 Well, Brown-Eyed Girl, definitely, if you're using one of those pouches you're talking about, dude.

00:14:35.240 You know?

00:14:35.700 That's, like, kind of a classic boomer kicked out of the house with his younger girlfriend.

00:14:40.280 Play Brown-Eyed Girl.

00:14:41.200 You know, it's kind of –

00:14:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:43.120 I thought Brown-Eyed Girl is something dealing with somebody's butt, you know?

00:14:47.640 Hey, where did we go?

00:14:50.040 Ooh.

00:14:50.960 Days when the –

00:14:51.700 When the rains came.

00:14:52.660 When the rains came.

00:14:53.540 Down in the hollow.

00:14:54.400 Playing a new –

00:14:55.080 So good.

00:14:56.800 Playing a new game.

00:14:59.360 You know what I'm saying?

00:15:00.600 So, BLM, homie.

00:15:03.600 Tucker Carlson's here, dude.

00:15:05.240 Dude, you just – I just saw you got a top 10 podcast, one of the top 10 podcasts in America.

00:15:09.600 Did you see that?

00:15:10.040 Really?

00:15:10.160 No, I didn't.

00:15:11.160 I didn't.

00:15:11.940 Did you see that?

00:15:12.920 Really?

00:15:13.500 Yeah.

00:15:13.720 I honestly didn't know that.

00:15:15.220 No, it's – we have a rule in our office, which we've stuck with for, like, 30 – over 30 years now.

00:15:21.160 So, wherever I've worked, like, no compliments.

00:15:24.160 I don't believe in that.

00:15:25.340 So, you don't ever want to work with people who compliment you at all.

00:15:29.480 And you know when it's hitting.

00:15:31.380 And you can feel when you're doing what you're supposed to be doing.

00:15:33.880 But having people around you are like, oh, we're kicking ass.

00:15:36.080 You're so great.

00:15:37.320 Yeah.

00:15:37.540 Like, that's the fastest way to rot your soul and just become an asshole.

00:15:41.500 And having spent my life around assholes, I'm like, oh, I don't want to be that.

00:15:45.840 So, no, no, no.

00:15:46.400 There's never any talk about that ever.

00:15:49.780 Well.

00:15:50.340 But I'm glad to know that.

00:15:51.480 It's better than being in the – I've certainly been in the bottom many times in my life.

00:15:56.640 Yeah.

00:15:56.800 You know what I mean?

00:15:57.200 I had ratings that were so bad at one network I worked at that there was some question as to whether, given the margin of error, anyone was watching.

00:16:05.520 Like, anyone.

00:16:06.160 Any human being was actually watching.

00:16:07.880 Like, Nielsen couldn't tell you really with precision.

00:16:09.780 Right.

00:16:10.080 So, I've been there.

00:16:11.300 Dang.

00:16:12.380 Yeah, well, now you're not there anymore.

00:16:13.820 I mean, it is fascinating, especially to hear how quickly people have gone away from cable.

00:16:18.720 Yeah.

00:16:19.280 Do you have cable?

00:16:19.840 I don't even know if I have it.

00:16:21.620 Right.

00:16:22.220 I mean, mostly I watch sports and then I just work a lot.

00:16:25.520 Totally.

00:16:25.860 And there's just a lot of stuff.

00:16:27.180 Like, you could spend your life texting.

00:16:28.560 How many people do you text with every day?

00:16:30.180 Oh.

00:16:30.820 Right.

00:16:31.140 It's too much.

00:16:31.640 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:32.760 But, yeah, you were a top ten, man.

00:16:34.700 So, pretty cool.

00:16:35.820 And you also got Anti-Semite of the Year.

00:16:37.860 Did I win?

00:16:38.660 No.

00:16:39.120 You also got nominated for Anti-Semite of the Year.

00:16:41.600 Bryce Mitchell is campaigning, it feels like.

00:16:44.140 He is – I love Bryce.

00:16:46.080 I know.

00:16:46.440 He's a great kid.

00:16:46.500 He was there – his son's named Tucker, by the way, I'm proud to say.

00:16:49.440 His son is so cute, too.

00:16:50.980 He's unbelievable.

00:16:51.600 Did I see his son at your party last year?

00:16:53.380 Yes.

00:16:53.440 Yes.

00:16:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:54.260 And his wonderful wife, yeah.

00:16:56.160 The funny thing is I'm not even an Anti-Semite and I'm against Anti-Semitism.

00:17:01.780 I agree.

00:17:02.300 How did that even –

00:17:03.100 And I've said that like every day for the last ten years.

00:17:05.980 I don't think – I think it is immoral to judge people on qualities they can't control

00:17:10.500 that they were born with.

00:17:11.100 I don't think that people are guilty by virtue of their blood.

00:17:14.260 That's why I disagree with the Netanyahu cabinet.

00:17:16.260 They believe the Palestinians are subhuman because they're Palestinian.

00:17:21.020 And I just – that's an attitude that's anti-Christian.

00:17:24.020 I totally reject it.

00:17:25.520 I've criticized them for that specifically.

00:17:28.360 And so I'm completely opposed to anti-Semitism.

00:17:31.220 And so – and I mean it, too.

00:17:32.880 And by the way, if I was an anti-Semite at this stage, I'd be like, yeah, I'm an anti-Semite.

00:17:35.240 I love Handler.

00:17:35.920 I would just say it.

00:17:36.640 Like, why not?

00:17:37.480 I probably have the number one podcast if I said that.

00:17:39.500 But I'm being totally sincere.

00:17:42.320 I'm opposed to it.

00:17:43.080 So why do they keep calling you that, me that?

00:17:45.900 And I know one of these guys very well in here.

00:17:49.480 I said I know Bryce, but I know another person on the bottom.

00:17:54.140 I know two of them.

00:17:54.720 I know Anna, too.

00:17:56.440 They're not only are non-anti-Semites.

00:17:58.080 They think anti-Semitism is immoral.

00:18:00.420 So why do they call you something that you're not and that they know you're not?

00:18:03.940 They do it to make you into what they call you.

00:18:07.500 They are trying to make you a hater.

00:18:12.120 And that is, like, the key insight I've had over the last year.

00:18:15.380 It's like I used to think – like, people would always call me racist.

00:18:19.080 And I would do these, like, long monologues.

00:18:21.520 Like, actually, I'm not a racist.

00:18:23.640 I would say so if I was.

00:18:24.840 I kind of like black people, but it's not even – it has nothing to do with whether I like black people or don't.

00:18:28.780 Yeah, I don't know if you're jerseys or whatever.

00:18:30.120 I kind of do, but even if I didn't, hating people on the basis of racism is immoron.

00:18:33.860 So I would do these, like, long monologues and I would stay up and write them, you know, at home and be like, I'm going to tell the truth.

00:18:40.040 And everyone would be like, shut up, racist.

00:18:41.960 And I'd be like, what is this?

00:18:43.920 They could criticize me for my real faults, which are super obvious, you know.

00:18:50.560 I think they're very obvious.

00:18:52.120 I get mad.

00:18:53.140 I overstate things.

00:18:54.380 I always gain a shit ton of weight every summer.

00:18:56.760 Like, I have faults that are obvious to everybody, but they never attack me on those.

00:19:00.820 They attack me on the things that I'm not.

00:19:02.080 Why?

00:19:03.360 And this year I finally figured it out.

00:19:04.760 It's like they want to make you into a hater.

00:19:09.060 Why?

00:19:09.640 Two reasons.

00:19:10.500 One, to control you.

00:19:12.160 This is like a form of control.

00:19:13.540 Why?

00:19:13.680 Because then they can label you?

00:19:14.960 Sure.

00:19:15.560 Then you're a Nazi.

00:19:16.600 It's like you don't need to – first of all, you can kill Nazis, right?

00:19:19.200 So it's obviously to get you killed is part of it.

00:19:21.540 But part of it is much deeper, and it's spiritual, and that is that evil feeds on hate.

00:19:26.940 They want more hate.

00:19:28.420 And what's evil?

00:19:29.520 How do we know if something's evil?

00:19:30.660 Well, by its fruits.

00:19:32.000 Is this someone who's lying, angry, promoting violence, chaos, division?

00:19:40.880 That's evil.

00:19:41.900 I mean, that's literally the definition of evil, and good is its opposite.

00:19:44.700 It's unity, peace, happiness, love, order, cleanliness, or whatever.

00:19:51.900 You know, the virtues are really obvious.

00:19:54.280 The sins are really obvious.

00:19:55.920 And so evil feeds on hate.

00:19:58.700 They want more hate.

00:19:59.780 So I look at someone like Mark Levin, who was a guy I used to know.

00:20:03.600 You know what?

00:20:03.920 I've never had strong feelings about the guy one or the other.

00:20:05.420 He's all into Israel.

00:20:06.360 Whatever.

00:20:06.660 I don't care.

00:20:07.680 Be all into Israel.

00:20:08.700 I was never against Israel.

00:20:10.180 I'm still not really that against Israel.

00:20:11.700 But whatever.

00:20:12.280 However, I watch Mark Levin, like, go down this path where he's, like, crazed.

00:20:17.640 He's crazed.

00:20:18.340 It's almost like he's being attacked by bees or something.

00:20:20.860 Like, there's no peace in that man at all.

00:20:23.340 I can't imagine what it's—I'm not being mean.

00:20:24.880 I'm being sincere.

00:20:26.380 That guy works tirelessly to make people hate him.

00:20:30.600 Same with Rabbi Buttplug.

00:20:32.300 Same with a bunch of these people you see on the internet where it's like,

00:20:35.440 what, is this guy trying to win people over?

00:20:37.480 Just the opposite.

00:20:38.560 He's trying to alienate them.

00:20:39.860 He's trying to make people hate him.

00:20:41.660 Why?

00:20:42.280 Because that's the nature of evil.

00:20:44.040 It feeds on hate.

00:20:46.080 And goodness feeds on love.

00:20:47.580 And you're around—if you're around a decent, honest person,

00:20:49.740 you just feel this, like, warmth and attraction and calm.

00:20:53.260 Right?

00:20:53.560 You feel this around—

00:20:54.540 Yeah, for sure.

00:20:55.240 And I think you have to trust your own guiding light at a certain point.

00:20:57.320 A hundred!

00:20:58.160 At every point.

00:20:59.580 Of what is—

00:21:00.220 Every point.

00:21:01.200 Good in what is not.

00:21:02.240 But you know it.

00:21:03.760 I don't even think—like, we're so past rational argument.

00:21:07.640 I mean, I've proven that by, like, every week dutifully doing the—actually, I'm against

00:21:12.500 anti-Semitism.

00:21:13.640 I hate anti-Semitism.

00:21:14.860 Shut up!

00:21:15.780 Hitler!

00:21:16.020 Obviously, we're not at a point, sadly, in our history where rational debate makes any difference at all.

00:21:22.620 They don't care.

00:21:23.380 Yeah.

00:21:24.020 Charlie Kirk dedicated his life to it.

00:21:25.640 They just shot him in the neck.

00:21:26.620 Like, they don't—they're not interested.

00:21:27.720 They're not winnable.

00:21:28.660 We're at a stage where the only thing you can trust is God, the love of other people, and your own God-given instincts.

00:21:38.660 Like, that is it.

00:21:39.520 That's the guide, period.

00:21:40.800 Yeah.

00:21:41.200 I mean, your pilot light of what—you have to really lock in your pilot light of what do you feel like is right and wrong.

00:21:46.080 Exactly.

00:21:47.100 Don't you think you know it, too?

00:21:48.780 I think at this point, you have to trust that more than ever.

00:21:51.420 You have to trust it.

00:21:52.000 Right.

00:21:52.220 Exactly.

00:21:52.580 But the knowledge is preexistent.

00:21:54.920 Like, it's already in you.

00:21:55.940 You know.

00:21:56.640 Like, your dog doesn't need to be told who hates him.

00:21:58.540 The dog's like, you know.

00:22:00.080 He barks at the people who hate him.

00:22:01.500 He knows, and he doesn't lie to himself.

00:22:03.380 Yeah.

00:22:03.800 Do you feel that?

00:22:04.840 Oh, I think we've been lying to ourselves or we've been passive about evil showing up in our world, I think.

00:22:10.760 Yes.

00:22:11.000 I definitely believe that.

00:22:12.860 And some of those things I want to talk about for sure.

00:22:15.240 I mean, I saw this list, and I'm like, well, first of all, Miss Rachel's on it.

00:22:20.860 That's when they lost me.

00:22:21.620 I was like, what are you guys doing?

00:22:23.400 If Miss Rachel has to come out, because she was obviously anti the war in Gaza, anti the genocide, and we've spoken up about it.

00:22:32.540 I mean, there's no doubt in my heart and mine that it's a genocide.

00:22:35.120 People can have other thoughts that they want, and that's fine.

00:22:38.880 If you have your thoughts, that's great.

00:22:40.260 I'm glad that you do.

00:22:42.080 It just seems like that is a wrong thing.

00:22:45.000 There was not a lot of question about it for me.

00:22:46.760 Like, I learned about the history of the land, and then I was like, well, this is just wrong.

00:22:51.300 There's no reason that these children have to be getting killed, that they're experimenting with different weapons and different tactics on this kind of, like, basically this imprisoned group over there.

00:23:04.300 And then when I saw this in Miss Rachel, I was like, what are we doing?

00:23:08.280 Like, would you need Bert and Ernie to come out and say that it's a genocide?

00:23:11.820 Like, at what point do people not trust what they're seeing anymore?

00:23:16.800 I think I'm kind of amazed.

00:23:18.320 That's the part that's made me think sometimes, like, I'm in this weird blender or aquarium.

00:23:23.680 It's like, should more people speak up?

00:23:28.000 Have not an, like, it almost, like, why do you feel crazy for speaking up?

00:23:33.380 Like, it just should feel like there's more.

00:23:35.480 But then it's not my place to think that somebody else should feel the same way or should feel okay about sharing stuff.

00:23:42.380 And it gets kind of scary, you know?

00:23:43.960 It definitely gets super scary, you know?

00:23:45.500 Why?

00:23:45.640 I think because, you know, I think you don't know the, you don't really know what's going on.

00:23:54.920 I think that's what it is.

00:23:56.400 And if they would just say, hey, America is a country that's owned by Israel or that it's always been just this outpost or it's this LLC of Israel or it's this, or of this, or maybe not even of Israel.

00:24:10.480 It could just be of corporate entities.

00:24:13.760 I'm not really sure exactly.

00:24:14.980 But if they would just tell us, then you can operate from a place of knowing what's going on.

00:24:20.320 But for some reason, there's this weird secretiveness about stuff.

00:24:24.160 And when things are secret, it feels evil because it feels like it's in the dark, right?

00:24:29.640 And then when you see, like, we're watching people dying and kids dying and it's supposed to feel like it's just in with the next reel and the next trend dance or whatever.

00:24:41.200 It's just, it all becomes, it all becomes confusing.

00:24:45.180 And so those are moments where you do have to lock in, you know, just prayer, asking God, what am I supposed to do?

00:24:51.280 Just trusting, like, the part inside of yourself that you feel like you've developed over time that's honest, I guess.

00:24:58.980 Or just trying to trust your heart, you know?

00:25:01.280 I don't know.

00:25:01.760 Does that make any sense even?

00:25:02.700 Not only does it make sense, it's so beautifully expressed.

00:25:06.800 Yes, it makes perfect sense.

00:25:07.880 Because, and I think a lot of people watch, I'll speak for myself, I've been brooding on this because my whole job is to try and find out what's happening and then explain it.

00:25:17.480 And it's just an endless series of frustrating cul-de-sacs where you're like, why can't we know this, that, the other thing?

00:25:25.580 I mean, whatever the story is.

00:25:27.720 And in the last two weeks, I feel like I've gotten closer to understanding what's actually going on.

00:25:34.120 And of course, I could be completely wrong, but I'm not.

00:25:36.100 And it's made me so much happier because the conclusion, I've sort of let go of a lot of my frustration and fear because I've realized that we already know exactly what this is.

00:25:49.160 We don't know a lot of the details, you know, could be wrong about this or that, you know?

00:25:54.080 But big picture, we know exactly what's going on.

00:25:56.240 And I think at this point that if all the information on all these different threads, whatever it is, especially the murders, not just the recent murders or attempted murders, but the more historical ones,

00:26:09.420 if all the relevant information came out tomorrow, would we be surprised?

00:26:14.220 No, we wouldn't.

00:26:15.220 We know what's up, actually.

00:26:17.560 And there's enough evidence, but also our instincts tell us just by watching, like, what is this?

00:26:24.040 And I agree with you completely.

00:26:25.480 It's not just about Israel, this country.

00:26:27.980 It's about whether or not self-government actually exists.

00:26:32.860 Like, do any of these countries have a system where the people decide who their leaders are and what the country should do collectively?

00:26:41.720 Not really.

00:26:42.520 Or it's more complex than that.

00:26:45.420 Yes, I think elections are, to some extent, real and all that.

00:26:48.180 But in the end, the big decisions are made not by nations or kings or presidents or whatever we imagine.

00:26:56.580 They're made by, you know, the world's richest people.

00:27:01.800 And no, I don't think that's an ethnic group.

00:27:03.820 It's not code language for the Jews.

00:27:07.060 It's what it seems to be.

00:27:08.660 It's the people with the biggest stake in this, who have the most to gain and the most to lose, are never going to leave the big decisions to, like, three zip codes in Pennsylvania.

00:27:19.780 Like, come on now.

00:27:20.420 Come on now.

00:27:21.140 Come on, son.

00:27:22.060 Like, you know that that's true.

00:27:23.460 And I'm not saying, by the way, I'm not claiming, you know, all elections are totally rigged or whatever.

00:27:28.760 The source code belongs to Maduro.

00:27:30.480 I'm not making any specific claims like that because I don't know if they're true or not.

00:27:33.420 But I know that big picture, if we – we know that Kennedy was pushing up against some forbidden things and that's why he was killed.

00:27:40.720 And who killed him?

00:27:42.560 Well, it's not – it's too easy to say it was this group or that group or this group.

00:27:47.300 It was all those groups acting in concert or parts of those groups acting in concert.

00:27:50.560 Of course.

00:27:51.640 That's all of what this is, right?

00:27:54.340 Do you feel that?

00:27:55.160 I like what you said about if all the pieces came out, would you be that surprised?

00:28:01.880 Like, if they laid the cards completely out.

00:28:03.980 Epstein, for example.

00:28:05.000 You know, the one that everyone's –

00:28:06.180 Right.

00:28:06.600 I feel like that whole thing is some sort of – I think there's some – there's definitely stuff there.

00:28:10.380 But then also it's been such a kickball and a ruse for so long.

00:28:13.820 It's like both political parties had a chance to put it out or to get – none of these people are operating on our behalf.

00:28:19.000 That's what it feels like.

00:28:19.800 Well, that's kind of the truth that I'm talking about.

00:28:21.980 That's what we would learn.

00:28:23.320 That's what's scary.

00:28:24.060 If all of this came out.

00:28:25.320 It feels like – well, so many of us believe and have believed and have forefathers that have spilt their blood and risked their lives

00:28:36.100 and have friends who are enlisted now to protect this thing that I feel like we – this idea of America.

00:28:45.760 Yes.

00:28:46.220 And then that idea has gotten super blurry in the past few years.

00:28:50.840 It has.

00:28:51.180 And especially at a time when I think a lot of people like – there's a lot of fears with like technology in the future and not knowing like where we're going to find our sense of purpose, right?

00:29:03.220 That's a big thing that we talk about on this show a lot of our time is like where do you find your sense of purpose?

00:29:07.760 And people find it a lot of times in their job, through their family, in their country, through their religion, through their faith.

00:29:15.420 So, you know, some of those start to go away and some of those even look blurrier for the future, almost like it's like Marty McFly when he looks at that picture and it looks like he doesn't even exist.

00:29:25.600 Yes.

00:29:25.780 You know, and so it starts to make you think like, you know, if more of our purpose disappears and our traditions are challenged by media over the years that they're not – that they're wrong or they're racist or they're this or they're that, then you kind of end up with just – I don't know.

00:29:42.300 It makes you feel like, well, what do I end up even – what even is the value of me at a certain point?

00:29:47.680 I have the answer.

00:29:48.540 I have the answer.

00:29:49.560 Okay.

00:29:49.800 And I don't also want to sound too dour.

00:29:51.820 Like I'm also looking at it from that perspective.

00:29:53.700 You're speaking for millions of people when you say this.

00:29:55.680 Like everyone can feel – I think people feel exactly what you're saying.

00:30:00.600 And I still also feel like a lot of moments of hope of like, you know, like, okay, so I focus on my family.

00:30:05.520 I focus on my friends.

00:30:06.900 I focus on doing something nice for someone.

00:30:09.800 I focus on somebody else other than myself.

00:30:11.820 Exactly.

00:30:12.020 You know, I do those things that do give you feelings of meaning and purpose, right?

00:30:16.560 So anyway, I'm not trying to be like a Debbie Downer, but go on.

00:30:19.460 I think just the opposite.

00:30:20.680 And by the way, I just want to amplify what you just said because that is the answer.

00:30:23.800 And those aren't just feelings of meaning and purpose.

00:30:26.180 That's the definition of meaning and purpose is to love the people around you, not people you've never met, not abstract concepts, communism, fascism, Zionism, whatever your ideology is.

00:30:37.500 No, it's people.

00:30:38.220 That's what it means to live a meaningful life is to serve other people.

00:30:42.440 And by other people, I mean people who are physically present, who are connected to you in organic ways, like your relatives, your friends, your coworkers, your roommates, the people God puts in your path.

00:30:54.220 Those are the people you love, your waitress.

00:30:57.560 Like that's what it really means to love people.

00:31:00.100 So that's number one, always love the people around you.

00:31:04.600 And whenever I run into people like, I just want to save the world or I want to come up with a new system to make everyone happy forever.

00:31:10.180 And we're going to call it whatever we're calling it.

00:31:11.780 Ketamine.

00:31:11.960 Ketamine, ketamine, ketamine.

00:31:14.500 Yeah.

00:31:14.760 And that's bailing out.

00:31:15.820 Dude, there's people falling asleep at the car wash.

00:31:17.480 They just had a guy.

00:31:18.740 He fell asleep in there.

00:31:19.980 Yeah.

00:31:20.300 Well, those of us who've already been down the drug path are a little skeptical of being saved by drugs.

00:31:25.480 Oh, for sure.

00:31:26.340 But it's also dangerous.

00:31:27.440 Some of those brushes are sharp in there.

00:31:29.480 Like I fucking fell asleep in that car wash.

00:31:32.440 He was in for two cycles.

00:31:33.760 He had a sedan that went through and finally someone in the backseat saw him on the side.

00:31:37.020 That dude was in there getting polished up.

00:31:40.000 You know?

00:31:40.620 He was a ketamine casual.

00:31:41.540 Yeah, and he was ketamined up.

00:31:42.840 He was all K'd out.

00:31:43.820 He was in a K-hole or something.

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00:35:35.940 Man, I thought I had, I've never done ketamine.

00:35:38.760 But I do think, okay, so the first purpose is to love the people around you in your immediate orbit.

00:35:46.480 And the second purpose is to tell the truth.

00:35:50.180 So, the short, the one sentence description of the whole thing that you just laid out, the way you're feeling,

00:35:57.520 is that we are discovering that we actually don't have control over anything big happening.

00:36:02.620 We have no control.

00:36:03.880 Right.

00:36:04.300 And all this shit, all these systems that we've created and cherished and believed in and died for, as you said,

00:36:11.140 were all, in some sense, illusory.

00:36:13.740 They were fake because they gave us the false impression that we have control,

00:36:17.320 whether it's over our government or the future or whatever.

00:36:19.240 We don't have any control.

00:36:20.620 We are on a commercial airliner in a thunderstorm.

00:36:24.280 Okay?

00:36:24.480 That's just what it is.

00:36:25.460 And if you're in 17B, you have no control over whether the plane lands safely or crashes.

00:36:31.320 You just don't.

00:36:31.740 You have no control.

00:36:32.140 Well, we have to metabolize that, like, accept that.

00:36:36.740 And once you do, there's total freedom in that.

00:36:38.960 I actually can't protect myself really.

00:36:42.560 As we say in my family, our family motto is, there is no safety, there's only destiny.

00:36:47.740 There is no safety, there's only destiny.

00:36:50.920 And that's, like, the deepest truth of life.

00:36:54.180 Like, we're not the authors of our lives.

00:36:56.280 We can't really control that much about them except a couple of things.

00:37:00.240 Do we love the people around us, and do we tell the truth?

00:37:02.740 And if you want to prepare yourself for the turmoil that's only going to accelerate, this is all obvious, all of us can feel.

00:37:07.780 The reason we're all so freaking anxious is we can feel that this is the prelude to, like, real turbulence.

00:37:13.260 Like, every person.

00:37:14.840 Dogs can feel a thunderstorm coming three hours out.

00:37:17.440 We can feel that.

00:37:18.400 Oh, yeah, you'll see your neighbor just doing circles in the yard.

00:37:21.020 A hundred percent, dude.

00:37:22.360 And that's exactly, we are the German shepherds starting to freak out in the backyard because the weather's coming, and we can't see it.

00:37:28.540 But they can feel it, and we can all feel that.

00:37:30.380 So how do you protect yourself?

00:37:31.840 Obviously, buy gold, stash ammo.

00:37:33.640 I believe in all that.

00:37:34.680 But really what you need to do is make yourself strong inside by collecting your people close to you, staying in close touch with them, and telling the truth because telling the truth gives you spiritual power.

00:37:46.500 The more you tell the truth, the more you are filled with supernatural power.

00:37:49.940 You become invulnerable.

00:37:51.960 To the extent a human being can be, I'm telling the truth, and I don't care if you kill me.

00:37:55.880 I really don't care because what I'm saying is real, and it will outlive me.

00:37:59.620 So if you get into that habit, the exercise of just being honest as much as you can be, of course, you're a human being, so you'll lie all the fucking time because you can't help it.

00:38:07.660 But if you keep doing that, you'll be filled with a spiritual power that is stronger than any other power.

00:38:13.500 Do you believe that our country is compromised?

00:38:16.980 Do I believe it's compromised?

00:38:19.660 Yeah.

00:38:20.540 Yeah, I do.

00:38:22.020 Do you believe that it's reversible?

00:38:26.460 You know, I believe so.

00:38:28.660 I mean, again, I'm so old.

00:38:30.680 I'm 56, so, like, I just grew up believing in everything, you know?

00:38:34.440 You're younger than Leanne Morgan.

00:38:36.160 We just had her in here.

00:38:37.180 Really?

00:38:37.580 Have you ever listened to her?

00:38:38.700 No.

00:38:39.500 Oh, my gosh.

00:38:39.640 Does she seem old?

00:38:41.060 No.

00:38:41.580 She's great, dude.

00:38:42.380 Both of you guys look great.

00:38:44.180 Really?

00:38:44.460 She's older than I am?

00:38:45.840 Yeah.

00:38:46.380 She told me she was, unless she was lying.

00:38:48.140 I don't believe her.

00:38:49.360 There's that new thing.

00:38:50.140 A lot of women do that.

00:38:50.880 They pretend to be a lot older.

00:38:52.020 That's, like, the true Jedi move for a woman to be like, actually, I'm 61.

00:38:56.320 One, like, a conventional woman would always be like, actually, I'm 29, but the really

00:38:59.780 smart ones would be like, I'm almost 70.

00:39:01.780 Yes.

00:39:02.640 That's how they do it.

00:39:03.700 That's right.

00:39:04.580 She's a wonderful, beautiful comedian, and she's hilarious.

00:39:08.220 But anyway, she was a senior, but she's 60 years old.

00:39:10.340 I bet she uses nicotine.

00:39:11.760 Great.

00:39:12.020 I bet she does, she did smoke, she said, in college.

00:39:15.280 Yeah.

00:39:15.540 See, and look what it did for her.

00:39:16.780 And she wears tight bras because she says it keeps her awake.

00:39:22.060 So I love her.

00:39:23.480 But, yeah, do you think it's, like, and I guess that's a big question.

00:39:27.360 And also, going back to what you said a little bit ago, like you said, but then I look at

00:39:30.860 the history of time, and it's like, people have always been under the thumb of some type

00:39:35.980 of rule, haven't they?

00:39:36.820 Of course.

00:39:37.260 And so for us to be, like, I mean, it's weird.

00:39:40.540 It's like, part of you, it's like you're supposed to, don't be a baby about it, you know?

00:39:44.540 Like, you're just being, like, there's some sort of oppression.

00:39:46.980 And even as people that can feed themselves, we're not as oppressed as so many other people

00:39:50.560 or people that if they turn on the light, they're afraid it's going to activate a bomb

00:39:53.680 in the corner of their room.

00:39:54.760 I had dinner with a guy who works for us last night, literally last night.

00:39:58.380 And I said, where were you born?

00:40:00.120 He goes, ah, I was born in Eritrea, but I grew up in a Sudanese refugee camp.

00:40:04.740 And then I came to the United States.

00:40:08.860 He's an amazing guy and a wonderful, wonderful guy.

00:40:11.940 But I was like, gosh, you know, I'm really, I'm from La Jolla.

00:40:15.320 Right.

00:40:15.760 It's like, stop whining.

00:40:17.660 Dude.

00:40:17.860 This is my internal dialogue.

00:40:18.900 Stop whining.

00:40:19.560 Stop whining.

00:40:20.240 I had to fly Southwest yesterday.

00:40:21.580 Oh, no one suffered more than me.

00:40:23.760 Yeah, La Jolla.

00:40:24.900 But La Jolla is for sure the lap of luxury of America.

00:40:28.980 Oh, yeah.

00:40:29.980 And almost every single childhood friend of mine was totally destroyed.

00:40:33.580 Really?

00:40:33.780 Not all, but most.

00:40:35.020 Oh, for sure.

00:40:36.020 Just by the.

00:40:37.220 Drugs.

00:40:37.880 Wow.

00:40:38.440 Drugs.

00:40:39.140 Good drugs, too.

00:40:40.500 Oh, the best.

00:40:41.400 They didn't put, they did not put baby laxative in our cocaine growing up.

00:40:44.400 No, no, no.

00:40:44.960 That was a ghetto thing.

00:40:46.320 Yeah.

00:40:46.660 Yeah.

00:40:46.820 No, no, no.

00:40:47.220 We had.

00:40:47.600 God.

00:40:48.020 It was almost blue.

00:40:50.500 We had to wear diapers.

00:40:51.720 It had so much baby laxative.

00:40:52.840 It came with diapers.

00:40:54.540 It came with fucking Huggies, bro.

00:40:56.380 That's shit.

00:40:57.280 We had some stuff.

00:40:58.240 We bought off some tights.

00:40:58.620 Yeah, no, no.

00:40:59.040 I grew up in a.

00:41:00.440 But anyway, the point is.

00:41:01.780 Um, right.

00:41:02.680 The point is, though, that we've, there's always been some sort of like, there's always been

00:41:06.060 a rule.

00:41:06.460 There's always been something like that.

00:41:07.640 I think that.

00:41:08.340 But the older you are, the sadder it is to see your illusion shattered and the harder

00:41:12.380 it is to pivot.

00:41:13.340 So if you talk to people who are like 23 and you're like, I think the moon landing is fake.

00:41:17.100 They're like, yeah, Gramps.

00:41:18.480 It was always fake.

00:41:19.280 Like, what are you talking about?

00:41:20.240 Who the fuck thought that was real?

00:41:21.140 Look at the video one time.

00:41:22.280 Exactly.

00:41:23.480 So that's.

00:41:24.760 It's kind of crazy.

00:41:25.680 Someone, a friend of mine who's unfortunately gone insane, but was a genius called James

00:41:30.040 Carville once said to me.

00:41:31.820 James Carville from the Democratic Party from Louisiana.

00:41:34.380 Oh, he lives in New Orleans.

00:41:35.300 Oh, yeah.

00:41:35.780 No, I know him well.

00:41:36.620 And he, he's gone crazy and whatever, but he really was in his prime like a genius and

00:41:41.580 someone I listened to very carefully.

00:41:42.780 Yeah.

00:41:42.940 And he once said to me, I'll never forget we're in a restaurant in some foreign country.

00:41:46.200 And he goes, you know, people misunderstand the theory of evolution.

00:41:49.440 And I was like, I can't even do his accent, but he'd be like, survival of the fittest.

00:41:53.780 That's bullshit.

00:41:54.780 That's not what he was saying.

00:41:55.960 And I said, well, what was he saying?

00:41:57.140 He goes, it's survival of the most flexible.

00:42:00.720 It's adaptability.

00:42:02.860 And he had this whole incredible rap about strength is not actually the quality that helps

00:42:09.600 you persevere in the face of change.

00:42:11.380 It's flexibility, the ability to pivot with changes that you can't control.

00:42:15.800 It's not the mass, it's the sail.

00:42:17.700 Exactly.

00:42:18.100 And in fact, strength can be a feature of, rigidity can be a feature of strength.

00:42:23.820 Like your, your windowpane is strong as hell.

00:42:26.560 It'll last 200 years.

00:42:27.600 But if you tap it, it'll just shatter.

00:42:29.460 No, you need to be able to move with the moment that you live in.

00:42:34.620 And so I feel like young people are in a pretty good spot, but yes, for older people, it's

00:42:41.820 hard to, it's very upsetting.

00:42:43.940 I'm sure you feel it.

00:42:44.620 You're much younger than I, but you still feel like, oh my gosh, I thought this was real.

00:42:48.000 And it's not.

00:42:48.500 And it's like heartbreaking.

00:42:49.860 It's crushing.

00:42:51.020 I see it a lot in like just my, my, probably my mother and things like that.

00:42:54.460 See their disappointment kind of.

00:42:55.920 Yes.

00:42:56.240 Or just uncertainty about what's going on.

00:42:58.120 And they love the country so much.

00:42:59.820 Yeah.

00:42:59.860 It's real.

00:43:00.520 It's sincere love too.

00:43:01.740 That's the thing.

00:43:02.300 I mean, it's like, it's something that's beautiful that you felt like was a certain way.

00:43:05.100 And now maybe some ethnicities and cultures didn't feel like it was that way.

00:43:08.640 And so sometimes I can understand that there's different points of view there, but I still

00:43:11.800 believe that the idea of America and what it's been, um, and that it's goals and that

00:43:18.240 the humans that want it to be that are, that it's altruistic, you know, a hundred percent,

00:43:24.300 but that you start to realize, Oh, that these powers above us there, they have something

00:43:30.200 different going on in that, um, they, you would think that they would, I guess they just

00:43:35.840 won't tell us, you know?

00:43:36.820 And so I think that's where some of my fear is.

00:43:38.860 It's just like, well, evil thrives in darkness.

00:43:40.940 So there's no doubt about that.

00:43:42.020 It's like, what does it mean to be part of something moving forward?

00:43:45.260 What does that thing even look like?

00:43:46.660 Like, like, if I'm a citizen here now, what is in five years, what is, what am I a citizen

00:43:51.860 of?

00:43:52.120 If I am, am I a citizen of a country that does genocides?

00:43:55.140 Am I a citizen?

00:43:55.860 You know, who am I?

00:43:56.900 You know, like, I think I was watching some of the Gaza stuff and I kept thinking like,

00:44:00.360 well, surely America will come in at some point and help.

00:44:03.180 And stop this.

00:44:04.340 Right.

00:44:04.780 That was like my thought.

00:44:06.360 Um, especially since we're not, when you say genocide, you're not guessing.

00:44:09.660 It's not like some propaganda term.

00:44:12.640 It's the definition.

00:44:13.640 And we know that not just from the video of its victims, but from the testimony of the

00:44:18.880 people perpetrating it.

00:44:20.980 Members of the current government, hot cabinet secretaries in the current Israeli government

00:44:27.040 are on tape, including this week saying, we kill them because of how they were born.

00:44:32.260 Is that true?

00:44:33.040 Oh my, yeah.

00:44:34.960 Like what's an example of that?

00:44:36.660 Smotrich, Ben-Kavir.

00:44:38.100 Oh, many, look, we need to get them out.

00:44:42.080 Let me see that, man.

00:44:42.660 These are people who were born there.

00:44:44.120 I just want to see if that's-

00:44:44.800 Oh, it's insane.

00:44:46.040 It is?

00:44:46.360 Because look, people, you know, you often hear apologists for what's happening there,

00:44:50.900 for the atrocities say, well, look, it's war.

00:44:52.640 People die.

00:44:53.520 Okay.

00:44:54.140 One of the reasons I'm not that enthusiastic about war, because innocents die.

00:44:57.200 We always have to oppose the murder of innocents or else we're not civilized.

00:45:02.400 What is civilization?

00:45:03.480 We're on the good side.

00:45:04.340 We're civilized.

00:45:05.200 They're savages.

00:45:06.260 There are a lot of savages in this world.

00:45:07.560 I know some, and what separates the savage from the civilized person is the civilized

00:45:12.940 person will never accept the murder of innocents.

00:45:15.620 You didn't do anything wrong.

00:45:17.020 We can't kill you.

00:45:17.840 It's that simple.

00:45:18.740 Well, it just, I don't like if it's unfair.

00:45:21.120 But that's the definition of unfair.

00:45:22.960 You didn't do anything.

00:45:24.080 A child didn't do anything.

00:45:25.500 Yeah.

00:45:26.080 Or an unarmed woman did not deserve to be murdered.

00:45:30.020 And who is this?

00:45:30.540 Okay, so that's the finance minister of Israel.

00:45:41.720 The truth is, until the last hostage returns, we shouldn't even give water to the Gaza Strip.

00:45:47.700 For a year and a half, we've been beating the hell out of Hamas.

00:45:51.260 We're breaking Gaza apart, leaving it as a pile of rubble.

00:45:55.460 With total unprecedented destruction in the world.

00:45:58.460 And the world still hasn't stopped us.

00:46:00.540 The aim is to achieve the one and only required outcome.

00:46:03.660 The conquest of Gaza, the annihilation of Hamas.

00:46:06.600 And the return of all the hostages.

00:46:09.220 In one word, victory.

00:46:11.500 So that's their view on it right there, you know?

00:46:13.880 He's saying, we're killing people and leveling the country in order to move the population out.

00:46:20.700 So how is that different from saying, there's certain people in my capital city I don't want here.

00:46:25.600 I'm going to put them on trains and move them east.

00:46:27.680 There's no difference.

00:46:29.300 People are being killed and expelled from the place where they were born because of their bloodline.

00:46:36.640 That, in the world that I grew up in, which is the United States of America, the main lesson, the lesson of World War II, the reason we fought against fascism was we reject that.

00:46:47.240 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:46:47.700 We do not kill people or expel them or put them on trains or put them in internment camps or move them to, quote, third countries, as Smotius just said, because of how they were born.

00:46:56.700 Exactly.

00:46:57.120 Because of their bloodline.

00:46:58.260 Because we don't accept that because we're Christians.

00:46:59.980 We think that every person was created as an individual and judged as an individual, period.

00:47:04.740 And this to me has—

00:47:05.540 We don't believe in this shit.

00:47:06.360 That's the enemy of civilization right there.

00:47:08.560 The Israelis, to be clear, are not the only people who think this way.

00:47:11.120 Plenty of people think this way.

00:47:12.200 But we are better than all of them because we don't think this way.

00:47:16.180 And all of a sudden, you've got people in the United States, current United States government.

00:47:20.500 You've got people in our media class.

00:47:21.680 They're all defending this because they agree with it.

00:47:24.040 And then you see people jumping up and being like, Muslims shouldn't have jobs in the United States or in the U.S. government.

00:47:29.100 It's like, how is that better than saying Jews shouldn't have jobs or Christians or Buddhists?

00:47:33.420 It's all the same.

00:47:34.320 That kind of thinking is genocidal.

00:47:36.260 It leads to the genocide we're watching right now in Gaza and to many other genocides.

00:47:40.540 For the fifth time, it's not just Israel.

00:47:41.960 It does this, okay?

00:47:43.340 But this is what we're fighting against.

00:47:45.820 This is why we're better.

00:47:47.160 Why are we better?

00:47:48.140 Because we have more and better shopping?

00:47:51.380 Or because we have, you know, Mount Shasta and Key West?

00:47:54.520 No.

00:47:54.960 Because we have some moral compass.

00:47:56.280 Exactly.

00:47:56.880 And we're able to also take care of ourselves at the same time, I think.

00:48:00.780 But our moral compass is what?

00:48:02.120 It's based on what's north of our moral compass.

00:48:05.680 We don't kill innocents.

00:48:08.400 And yes, we have.

00:48:09.740 And we regret it.

00:48:10.560 And we grieve over it because it's wrong.

00:48:13.080 That's our moral compass right there.

00:48:14.500 If you didn't do anything wrong, we don't get to kill you or expel you from your home because you're innocent.

00:48:19.440 Because we believe in justice, also called fairness.

00:48:22.140 That's the whole fucking point of this country.

00:48:24.960 And so when I see people arguing against that or calling me a Nazi when they're literally wholesale adopting the Nazi mindset, but then I think, you know what?

00:48:37.160 I'm not mad.

00:48:38.300 This is the state of play in life.

00:48:41.380 It's always been this way.

00:48:42.740 And my job is what?

00:48:43.740 To love the people around me and to tell the truth no matter what.

00:48:47.480 And I think that's freeing.

00:48:49.580 Yeah.

00:48:49.780 Well, I think, I do think once you say like, yeah, if I get to a point where I can just share what I think or what I feel, whether I'm right or wrong.

00:48:58.260 Yes.

00:48:58.500 If I can speak up for my feelings.

00:48:59.640 But then also if you look at our history, we kind of, America was, did that to other people when it started.

00:49:05.360 Yes.

00:49:05.800 And you would think that we'd learn that it was wrong and that's where we are now.

00:49:08.860 Well, we've acknowledged that it's wrong, I think.

00:49:11.700 I mean, look, there's a, you can acknowledge something is wrong without, you know, self-flagellating to the point where you're incapable of like going forward, which is kind of where we are.

00:49:20.660 It's like, you can't do it to the point where you're incapable of going forward.

00:49:23.240 Like, oh, well, we also, this, this mistake was made not by us.

00:49:26.580 This mistake was made by people in the past or at that time who believed that colonialism was fine.

00:49:32.100 And that was a different, people were playing by a different set of rules.

00:49:34.880 But that's the whole point of America is that we have like standards of decency, fairness.

00:49:40.880 I love that you use that word because that is the core of it.

00:49:42.820 It's fairness.

00:49:44.000 Justice is overused.

00:49:45.040 Fairness is underused.

00:49:45.960 It's just, a child knows what's fair.

00:49:47.600 If his brother's getting three Oreos and he's getting one, that's just unfair.

00:49:51.100 He doesn't have a degree in economics.

00:49:52.480 He just feels it.

00:49:53.180 He knows it.

00:49:54.140 The sense of fairness is innate.

00:49:55.500 Dogs have it because it's part of the natural fabric.

00:49:59.060 It's organic.

00:49:59.900 And we are a fair country.

00:50:02.640 And the rich man gets the same treatment in the justice system as the poor man.

00:50:07.200 It doesn't matter where you're from.

00:50:08.680 You're both citizens and you're both equal because you're both created by God.

00:50:12.480 That's our whole system in one sentence.

00:50:14.780 And that is being eroded because the people who run our system agree with Smotrich and

00:50:20.820 every other third world dictator.

00:50:22.620 These people are damned by their birth, whatever they are.

00:50:25.640 That's what affirmative action is.

00:50:26.780 It's like, no, I don't like the way your parents looked.

00:50:29.020 You don't get the job.

00:50:30.060 What?

00:50:30.840 That's what we hated about the Nazis, what we hated about segregation, which I want

00:50:34.240 to say was evil.

00:50:34.980 Segregation was evil.

00:50:35.760 Why?

00:50:36.280 Because it punished some people and rewarded others on the basis of things they couldn't

00:50:39.340 control their skin color.

00:50:40.540 Yeah.

00:50:40.700 And we'd had mixed babies a lot sooner too, which are pretty cute.

00:50:43.220 A lot of them, to be honest with you.

00:50:44.900 There are all kinds of other effects.

00:50:45.960 But like, fairness is what we need to preserve.

00:50:48.860 Why is Epstein infuriating?

00:50:49.960 Because it's unfair.

00:50:50.940 That's why.

00:50:51.480 Not just because he molested kids or his buddies molested kids.

00:50:54.640 It's because the president of Harvard was involved in it.

00:50:57.820 Alan Dershowitz, all these famous people.

00:51:00.160 Prince retard, whatever the guy in Great Britain, the kind of retarded looking prince.

00:51:04.680 Yeah, that guy is.

00:51:05.500 Bill Gates, all the most powerful people in the world, got away with it.

00:51:11.420 And there's tons of child molestation in America, but there's an expectation that they'll

00:51:15.660 be punished for doing it.

00:51:16.960 These people we know in our hearts will never be punished because they're rich.

00:51:20.240 But we don't know.

00:51:20.880 That's unfair.

00:51:22.040 We don't know for sure that they molested children, though.

00:51:24.320 We don't.

00:51:25.100 We don't know for sure.

00:51:25.920 But we know that there's never been a real inquiry into it because the people around

00:51:31.680 it were powerful and rich.

00:51:33.300 That we can say for sure.

00:51:34.800 And that's still happening.

00:51:35.880 OK, well, that'll say is that, yeah, there's obvious that there's not of it feels like there's

00:51:40.420 an unfair investigation that's or or a lack of investigation or it's just this lie that

00:51:46.360 keeps getting remodeled.

00:51:47.620 It's this clay of a lie that keeps getting remodeled and put into the museum in front of

00:51:52.160 us all the time.

00:51:52.900 But go to all your neighbors on the street and ask them.

00:51:55.440 Oh, everybody thinks something happened.

00:51:56.960 No, but ask them, like, if you if your name popped up as like a visitor to Petto Island

00:52:01.480 11 times, do you think you would like be protected in the way that all these other people have

00:52:06.380 been protected?

00:52:06.880 Of course not.

00:52:07.320 You have no money in power.

00:52:08.420 You'd be.

00:52:09.000 Oh, Darshowitz had a fast pass, I think, if anybody had one.

00:52:11.940 That guy's unbelievable.

00:52:12.620 I don't know.

00:52:13.300 But I don't know anything.

00:52:14.140 That's just allegedly.

00:52:15.560 So I have to pee really fast.

00:52:17.140 Good.

00:52:17.380 I'm going to go, too.

00:52:18.100 You are?

00:52:18.480 Can we go together like women?

00:52:19.600 No.

00:52:20.320 No.

00:52:20.660 Good.

00:52:21.060 I like your attitude.

00:52:22.240 No.

00:52:23.360 Anyway, we just took a pee break, guys.

00:52:24.760 So we're back.

00:52:25.740 Why do you think that you made the anti-Semite list?

00:52:29.540 I think because I'm not an anti-Semite.

00:52:33.200 Right.

00:52:33.800 And I get what you're saying.

00:52:35.120 It's like.

00:52:35.380 No, but I mean, I'm literally not an anti-Semite and I reject anti-Semitism as totally immoral

00:52:41.520 and anti-Christian.

00:52:42.300 So I'm not only not by temperament an anti-Semite, you know, a million Jewish people I love, I

00:52:48.280 also reject it as a way of thinking.

00:52:50.860 Yeah.

00:52:51.600 And so why would they call me that?

00:52:53.920 And it's sincere.

00:52:55.060 Again, for the fifth time, if I was, I would just say so.

00:52:58.200 And I'm not.

00:52:59.040 So why do they call me that?

00:53:00.040 Well, because I think they think I'm effective because I'm not a hater.

00:53:04.800 Right?

00:53:05.120 So they have to take out the guy who actually might change people's minds.

00:53:08.420 But I think it's deeper than that.

00:53:09.840 I think there's a spiritual dimension where they want me to become an anti-Semite and

00:53:14.580 a hater, both so they can control and dismiss me.

00:53:17.480 Oh, he's a Nazi.

00:53:18.340 He's David Duke or whatever.

00:53:19.400 He's crazy.

00:53:20.420 But also because some of the people pushing this are evil.

00:53:23.260 And by evil, I mean, specifically, they are committed to lying and violence.

00:53:28.700 And those are the hallmarks of evil, lying and violence and chaos and division.

00:53:32.900 So they're not going to play by any other rules.

00:53:34.540 No, no.

00:53:34.880 This is not.

00:53:35.760 So we're not in a, we're not where we used to be or we used to pretend we were.

00:53:39.760 Where we all thought we were playing by the same rules.

00:53:41.460 Right.

00:53:41.720 And the rules were, if you have a better argument than I have, then you win.

00:53:45.520 Yeah.

00:53:45.860 And may the best argument win.

00:53:47.420 We're so far beyond that.

00:53:49.080 And I think the murder of Charlie Kirk was the moment when we could just admit it to ourselves.

00:53:52.760 This is a guy whose whole life revolved around the proposition.

00:53:55.720 Let's, let's debate.

00:53:57.060 And they didn't want to debate whoever they is.

00:53:59.240 They murdered him.

00:54:00.400 And, and to be specific, who killed Charlie Kirk?

00:54:03.020 Well, I don't know is the short answer.

00:54:06.580 But I, when we do find out if we ever do, doubt we will.

00:54:09.760 But if we do, I think, again, we'll not be surprised.

00:54:12.820 It's just all tentacles from the same octopus.

00:54:15.020 And the octopus is evil.

00:54:16.480 Right.

00:54:16.900 It's not an ethnic group.

00:54:18.260 It's not a country.

00:54:19.160 It's evil.

00:54:19.900 This is what evil is.

00:54:21.100 What is evil?

00:54:22.120 Evil is a commitment to deception and violence.

00:54:24.460 Period.

00:54:24.960 That's what it is.

00:54:26.540 So it's too easy to be like, oh, it's Netanyahu or Smotrich or whatever.

00:54:30.680 No, it's evil.

00:54:31.980 It's existed from the beginning of time.

00:54:34.020 It will exist until the end of time.

00:54:35.800 And it has been the thing against which people have fought through all of history.

00:54:40.100 It's evil.

00:54:40.900 It manifests itself in a million different ways.

00:54:42.280 But its hallmarks are always dishonesty and violence.

00:54:45.580 Yeah.

00:54:45.660 It feels like we've been a bit afraid to stand up against evil.

00:54:49.560 Does that make sense to you?

00:54:50.660 Of course it does.

00:54:51.460 John Rich was just talking about it on your podcast the other day.

00:54:54.020 And I thought that that was a really neat episode.

00:54:55.700 Wonderful.

00:54:56.260 And I learned a lot about John Rich and just like his clarity of thought I thought was really neat.

00:55:01.020 We were on a hunting trip and a pheasant hunting trip two weeks ago when we did that.

00:55:05.680 He can shoot too, which is nice.

00:55:07.220 Can he?

00:55:07.520 He can.

00:55:08.600 He was bringing them down.

00:55:10.100 We had a lot of hits, I know.

00:55:12.280 But that – yeah, but we shouldn't be afraid of it and we shouldn't be – so my struggle is against being shocked.

00:55:20.120 Like every time I learn something, I'm like, holy shit, I can't believe it.

00:55:23.180 I'm so – I can't believe it.

00:55:25.560 Like this or that institution is corrupt or this or that person is lying.

00:55:28.960 And it's like I'm acting like a child.

00:55:32.720 Why would I be shocked?

00:55:33.680 That's what this is.

00:55:34.400 What did you think it was, dude?

00:55:35.560 We live in a fallen world filled with dishonesty and violence.

00:55:38.660 My job, all of our jobs are to fight against those things.

00:55:42.540 Yeah, people always want to be in a war.

00:55:43.980 People are always like, man, I wish I had something that was like a challenge in the world.

00:55:46.900 It's like we are in a fight of good and evil.

00:55:49.800 We are.

00:55:50.500 And it's not to say that any of us are perfect or that we don't all have mistakes or things that we wish we had done or not done.

00:55:55.700 But overall, it does feel like this is like a video game of good versus evil and you have to start to see that like you're a player in it.

00:56:07.040 One thing that I –

00:56:07.680 This is why you're so effective.

00:56:08.840 This is why at some point people may try to make you be quiet is because you approach all of this with humility, which is one of the hallmarks of good in my opinion.

00:56:18.660 Like almost every sentence you begin on this topic begins with, I'm no one to judge and I'm not, you know, that is the posture.

00:56:26.980 Humility is the posture.

00:56:28.560 And one thing you notice about evil is its certainty, is its judgmental, condemnatory quality.

00:56:35.580 You know, Mark Levin, you're evil.

00:56:37.580 You're a fascist, anti-Semite, Nazi, Islamist, whatever.

00:56:41.080 However, its mirror image is what you just showed, which is, you know, we're all kind of screwed up, but we're trying to get to the truth.

00:56:48.300 Like that is – that's the approach.

00:56:51.180 That's the posture.

00:56:51.960 That's the way to tell the truth.

00:56:53.400 Well, I think that's what most people are doing.

00:56:54.720 That's what most people are trying.

00:56:56.160 You know, I feel like –

00:56:56.940 Because that's truly honest.

00:56:57.800 Like I've been wrong about so much.

00:57:00.140 Am I really going to stand up and be like, I am positive.

00:57:01.960 This is like, no, I'm doing the best I can.

00:57:03.640 That's the only honest way to approach it.

00:57:05.100 Especially like as a country, when you're paying into taxes and you're showing up to vote and you're trying to help your neighbor and you're trying to follow the rules and do the best that you can, you know, at a certain point, that's like you're giving in to something as a group.

00:57:25.760 You're like giving in to something like this is how we believe that we should behave and that it best suits us moving forward.

00:57:30.960 And then when it's really started to just feel, and I think it's kind of obvious at this point, that the higher-ups are not working for us anymore.

00:57:38.800 They're not working with us.

00:57:40.060 And that's what I think has become the most evident in the past year especially is that people are like, oh, no matter who we elect, on which side, whatever it is, it's all this sort of shell game.

00:57:51.000 And we're finally starting to see some of it.

00:57:53.060 And I thought it was interesting that –

00:57:54.700 Well, not working for us is kind of the most benign description.

00:57:58.460 Like not working for you, that's just indifference.

00:58:00.300 That's abandonment.

00:58:01.580 That's when your parents like go on vacation and don't come home.

00:58:04.160 What's happening to us is having like a creepy stepfather.

00:58:07.520 Like I actually think there's malicious intent here.

00:58:10.720 But how could so many politicians and stuff get compromised?

00:58:13.240 That's what I don't understand.

00:58:14.300 Wouldn't there be more people that stood up and said, hey, this isn't right?

00:58:18.580 Like that's what I find hard to believe.

00:58:21.700 Well, because they all made the deal.

00:58:24.900 And all of them, all of them make the deal.

00:58:27.060 And the deal is not always explicit.

00:58:28.700 And the deal – everyone thinks it's about sexual blackmail, which is totally real.

00:58:32.040 All the porn sites are visible.

00:58:33.480 Like go to a porn site.

00:58:35.720 People know exactly what you're looking at.

00:58:37.500 And there's a video of you looking at it.

00:58:38.700 It's just a fact.

00:58:40.180 And okay, so there's that.

00:58:41.960 Yeah.

00:58:42.460 And a lot of them are secretly gay.

00:58:44.840 Of course we know that.

00:58:46.160 But I don't think – and have drinking problems or cheating their wives or whatever.

00:58:49.120 Is that enough to keep people –

00:58:50.580 No.

00:58:50.980 I think it's actually deeper than that.

00:58:53.580 It's not enough.

00:58:54.300 It's not enough.

00:58:54.760 Like the obvious one is like, why is Lindsey Graham for this or that war?

00:58:57.540 It's like, okay, yeah, I got it.

00:58:58.780 But –

00:58:59.780 Because if you're trying to slurp on little fellas or whatever or you're jacking off to like, you know, butt activity or whatever, like does that like – you know, like I mean definitely pedophile.

00:59:10.280 Slurping on little fellas.

00:59:11.620 I mean pedophiling is bad.

00:59:13.740 It is not good at all.

00:59:15.180 It's horrible, right?

00:59:16.820 But if you're just like looking at – I'm just like –

00:59:19.560 That's not the answer though.

00:59:20.540 That's not – that's not most of them are not being sexually blackmailed.

00:59:23.460 Some are.

00:59:24.060 I mean I think the Epstein thing was probably that to some extent.

00:59:27.540 But no, it's much deeper and more recognizable and part of our daily life than that.

00:59:31.980 It's much more insidious than that because it's less dramatic than that.

00:59:34.900 It's the deal that we all make with ourselves to get what we want.

00:59:40.160 Like I want to be powerful.

00:59:41.420 I want to get reelected.

00:59:42.540 I want to get rich.

00:59:43.600 I want to bang that girl.

00:59:44.840 And you make these compromises with yourself in which you consciously decide to be dishonest.

00:59:52.120 You decide in some cases violent.

00:59:53.700 That is true or whatever.

00:59:55.920 How do you get so many people though?

00:59:57.900 Because like you look at some of these –

00:59:59.280 Because the system itself is that.

01:00:00.680 Like you get – in order to get elected, I have to do the following things.

01:00:04.140 I have to basically subvert democracy by carrying water for a tiny group of people against the interests of my actual voters.

01:00:13.140 Like that itself is a sin.

01:00:14.680 It's a crime.

01:00:15.660 But it's so ubiquitous you don't even notice it.

01:00:18.540 It's deals like that.

01:00:19.720 I'm going to take money from a foreign lobby that somehow isn't registered as a foreign lobby or whatever.

01:00:23.780 I'll support this thing that I think is probably pretty wrong but I'm going to do it because I have to.

01:00:27.620 It's those kind of moral compromises that wind up making people slaves.

01:00:33.500 That's what they are.

01:00:34.060 They're slaves.

01:00:34.920 We have hundreds of slaves otherwise known as members of Congress.

01:00:38.880 And what are they slaves to?

01:00:39.800 Evil.

01:00:40.500 Because they've made these compromises in order to get what they think is the prize which is re-election.

01:00:45.460 Dang.

01:00:45.920 It's a crazy movie.

01:00:47.580 It's real though, man.

01:00:48.500 I know.

01:00:48.960 That's a crazy –

01:00:49.400 But it's all of us.

01:00:50.480 Like all of us have made that deal.

01:00:52.080 That's why it's so important to reframe it in your head.

01:00:54.300 It's not just some freak on Petto Island, you know, banging a child and then, oh, they have him by the balls because they have videotape of him.

01:01:01.720 No, no, no.

01:01:01.980 It's all of us.

01:01:02.940 If I just do this thing, it's worth it, man.

01:01:05.460 It's for the greater good.

01:01:06.480 It's for my family.

01:01:07.360 It's for, you know, I need – you hear this every election season.

01:01:10.760 Right.

01:01:11.020 I need a vote.

01:01:11.600 I need a –

01:01:12.320 I don't want to vote for this shit, but we need to control the Congress.

01:01:16.000 What is that?

01:01:16.840 You're making a deal with the devil, dude.

01:01:19.720 With the devil.

01:01:20.460 That's what that is.

01:01:21.320 Bat on before me and all of this will be yours.

01:01:23.080 That's the deal.

01:01:24.520 Don't make that deal because you lose yourself.

01:01:27.220 You lose your freedom.

01:01:28.120 All of a sudden you're a slave and you see these politicians.

01:01:30.320 They're like, oh, no.

01:01:31.600 It's not.

01:01:32.560 No, there are good reasons for doing this.

01:01:34.160 No, really.

01:01:35.480 What is that?

01:01:36.160 It's not a free man.

01:01:37.140 That's an enslaved man and you know the people who are free because they exude this kind of peace and joy and they're like, no, I don't care.

01:01:45.360 I'll say whatever I think is true.

01:01:46.740 You can shoot me.

01:01:47.460 Go ahead and shoot me.

01:01:48.540 It's not going to change anything because you're lying and I'm not.

01:01:52.500 Right.

01:01:52.920 It's freedom versus slavery and we put ourselves in slavery with that deal.

01:01:57.520 Well, the pain of holding on to lies and stuff like that and shame and stuff like that, it's really so heavy.

01:02:05.580 But haven't we all lived that?

01:02:07.080 You've lived that, right?

01:02:07.880 For sure.

01:02:08.620 Yes.

01:02:09.060 Well, that's why getting sober is so liberating.

01:02:11.480 Not just because you're not on drugs or alcohol, which is itself liberating, but because you admit what you did.

01:02:17.580 And then you're like, oh, man, I admitted I was a cokehead or I drank vodka in the morning.

01:02:21.840 In my case, it's like, it's pretty fucking embarrassing.

01:02:24.440 But once you admit it, it's like.

01:02:25.740 I was putting Alps in my butt.

01:02:27.140 Yeah.

01:02:28.140 No, it's Zin.

01:02:29.300 Sorry.

01:02:29.880 Alp is oral use only.

01:02:31.600 Alps for the front.

01:02:32.100 It's the pouch for your mouth.

01:02:33.740 Oh, I like that.

01:02:34.480 Yeah.

01:02:35.460 Yeah.

01:02:35.900 Alps for the front.

01:02:37.720 They should say for the front on them.

01:02:39.340 They should have a special.

01:02:39.960 We may do that.

01:02:40.600 We're going to get that hat because we already have for oral use only the pouch for the mouth.

01:02:44.020 But this goes in the front.

01:02:46.680 But you're going to have like some urethral injuries if we're not more specific.

01:02:49.920 Dude, I used to date a girl and her cooter was like way more in the front than it was

01:02:53.420 like kind of in the lower part.

01:02:54.800 Actually?

01:02:55.340 Yeah.

01:02:55.740 How did that work mechanically?

01:02:57.040 It worked.

01:02:58.300 You know, it just, I don't know.

01:03:00.420 I don't know all the logistics or whatever.

01:03:02.100 Are you sure it wasn't post-op?

01:03:03.240 Was this natural?

01:03:03.980 No, this was natural, dude.

01:03:05.060 And I worked in urban planning.

01:03:06.240 So I know how, you know what I'm saying?

01:03:08.920 Like I know how things work a little bit.

01:03:10.600 But yeah, she had the, her cooter.

01:03:12.180 You understand bridges and tunnels is what you're saying.

01:03:13.860 Yeah, I'm just saying, yeah.

01:03:14.580 Got it, yeah.

01:03:14.980 Just her cooter was up front kind of.

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01:07:06.020 Do you think that if we elected different officials that things would be different or do you think that no matter who gets in there that the compromising happens these days?

01:07:19.260 No, I think leadership is the most important thing.

01:07:22.200 Why doesn't somebody come up with an app that tells us who's running, right?

01:07:29.560 Because a lot of people don't have time to focus on exactly who's running, right?

01:07:32.360 They don't have as much time.

01:07:33.520 They're busy.

01:07:34.260 Both parents are working.

01:07:35.320 People are running around.

01:07:36.100 They're picking their kids up.

01:07:36.940 They've got to get their kid to T-ball.

01:07:38.340 They've got to make sure their kids get fed.

01:07:39.620 And they have to make sure that one of the parents is there to read them a bedtime story before the other parent goes and works on that as a security guard somewhere just to make ends meet, right?

01:07:48.020 Right. So why don't they have like an app that says, okay, this, these are the candidates.

01:07:53.240 This one doesn't accept any money from any of these places.

01:07:55.840 It feels like it would be very easy and obvious to create an app like that that would tell you exactly who to vote for.

01:08:01.440 I think that's right.

01:08:03.000 The problem is we're getting to a point of like knowledge about things.

01:08:08.340 Like people sort of are figuring out what's going on that in order to be honest now, you have to be truly honest.

01:08:16.400 If I think people are so wary of being lied to that if you sense that someone's like got to, you know, I'll be all honest about this stuff, but not about that thing.

01:08:25.840 That's not enough.

01:08:26.920 So true honesty, also called integrity, is what is needed.

01:08:32.280 It's hard.

01:08:33.140 Well, you get killed, you know, you get killed.

01:08:35.280 Like the system itself, and this is not the result of any foreign power, and this is just like the nature of systems, will work to expel you the same way your body works to expel bacteria or cancer.

01:08:46.680 It's like the organism doesn't want this, and you see it.

01:08:50.520 I've known very few honest members of Congress.

01:08:52.820 I've known a couple, however.

01:08:54.560 One of them just left Congress, and the other is being primaried.

01:08:59.220 MTG you're talking about?

01:09:00.100 Marjorie Taylor Greene?

01:09:00.960 Exactly.

01:09:01.980 And Thomas Massey from Kentucky.

01:09:04.720 And by the way, I don't agree with everything.

01:09:06.680 It's not even about that.

01:09:07.980 What does being primaried mean?

01:09:08.980 I'm sorry to interrupt you.

01:09:09.680 It means that your own party says, we want you out.

01:09:13.280 And so we're going to run someone from your party against you in the primary.

01:09:17.220 Your party has turned on you.

01:09:18.840 And it's like, what is that about?

01:09:20.740 And it's about not simply the fact that he disagrees with them on foreign policy, which is really the whole project really is just foreign policy, nothing to do with like your tax rates or your debt load.

01:09:30.760 Yeah, he's like anti-APAC.

01:09:32.220 He's bigger against those types of things.

01:09:33.060 Yeah, and he's not for pointless wars.

01:09:34.840 So that's a deal killer.

01:09:36.220 But it's not just that.

01:09:37.720 It's the he.

01:09:38.640 So yeah, the Israeli lobby is mad at him.

01:09:40.500 Got it.

01:09:41.100 But it's deeper.

01:09:42.120 It's he won't be controlled.

01:09:44.920 And if he doesn't think something, he's not going to say it.

01:09:47.200 Period.

01:09:47.900 He may be wrong, but he's sincere.

01:09:49.480 Sincerity is the kryptonite.

01:09:53.720 That's what makes the evil person die is sincerity.

01:09:58.540 No, I really mean it.

01:09:59.680 I'm not kidding.

01:10:00.660 I can't be bought.

01:10:01.780 I'm totally sincere.

01:10:03.400 If they smell sincerity on you, well, that's why they're calling me the most dangerous anti-Semite since Adolf Hitler himself.

01:10:11.420 It's like, what?

01:10:13.320 Because I'm not a genius.

01:10:15.720 I'm not powerful at all.

01:10:17.120 I'm a fucking podcaster.

01:10:18.220 Like, I don't have actually any power.

01:10:20.520 But I'm not kidding at all.

01:10:22.760 I'm completely sincere.

01:10:24.340 I may be wrong.

01:10:25.280 I often have been, but I'm not joking.

01:10:27.680 Yeah.

01:10:27.940 That itself.

01:10:29.380 So they're hassling me.

01:10:30.800 Imagine if I was a member of Congress or a presidential candidate or anybody who has sincerity is marked immediately.

01:10:37.460 Because that person's a threat to everybody currently benefiting from the system.

01:10:42.420 And you saw that with Marjorie.

01:10:44.540 Yeah.

01:10:44.880 What do you think happened there?

01:10:45.800 Because a lot of people say that allegedly she made a lot of money off of stock returns and stuff like that.

01:10:50.540 That just cracks me up.

01:10:51.760 That's like saying, you know, have you been, I know, I was just talking to Tim Dillon the other day.

01:10:55.200 He was a friend of mine.

01:10:55.980 Awesome guy.

01:10:56.640 But.

01:10:56.800 He's the best.

01:10:57.420 He is the best.

01:10:58.540 And, but, you know, he's, everyone, they're all claiming, he's taking money from Qatar.

01:11:02.920 Yeah, me too.

01:11:03.560 They say that.

01:11:03.940 Oh, they say that about you?

01:11:04.880 Yeah.

01:11:05.580 I went there once.

01:11:06.680 I had a blast, dude.

01:11:07.580 I'm going tomorrow.

01:11:08.360 Are you?

01:11:08.740 I'm buying a house in Qatar.

01:11:10.000 Why am I doing that?

01:11:11.380 Because fuck you.

01:11:12.840 Not only have I never taken a dollar from Qatar or anybody, I have no investors, zero.

01:11:16.920 I have no debt.

01:11:17.600 I don't owe anybody anything, period, and never will.

01:11:21.660 I've never taken money from them.

01:11:22.960 I'm going to, I'm going to invest money in Qatar.

01:11:25.600 I'm going to do just the opposite, just to, just to give the figure.

01:11:28.440 Plus, it's a great country.

01:11:29.400 Dude, I had a great time when I was there.

01:11:30.700 They treated it super nice.

01:11:31.760 I know that they have different rules and stuff for their people.

01:11:34.480 Yeah, it's a different society.

01:11:34.640 And that we may disagree with some of them and stuff like that.

01:11:37.060 It's like, but those aren't my rules.

01:11:38.560 I don't have to, you know, like if I go visit, I have to live by their rules.

01:11:41.240 But if I'm, if I'm, if I'm from our country, then I can live by our rules.

01:11:45.680 I completely agree.

01:11:46.680 But they, they accuse you of what they are and what they are is corrupt.

01:11:50.860 So Marjorie, did she make a ton of money trading on stocks with insider information?

01:11:56.580 I bet my house she didn't.

01:11:58.000 I mean, this is somebody I know well.

01:12:00.520 You do know her well.

01:12:01.500 I know her well.

01:12:02.780 And you can agree or disagree with her, of course.

01:12:05.200 But you can't say she's in it for the money, really?

01:12:08.020 I don't think so.

01:12:09.640 I don't think she's interested in money.

01:12:11.240 I think she's interested in the country.

01:12:13.200 And again, we can debate whether she's on the right track or the wrong track.

01:12:16.180 You think her ideas are smart or stupid, but her sincerity is the most obvious thing about her.

01:12:20.900 And it's also the most threatening thing about her.

01:12:22.900 In fact, it's the only thing that they hate is sincerity because sincerity is purity and it can't be bought.

01:12:29.940 And so, of course, they accuse, the first thing they're like, oh, you must be getting paid by somebody.

01:12:34.600 No, I'm not.

01:12:35.640 And that's why you hate me.

01:12:36.880 Yeah.

01:12:37.120 If I was as corrupt as Dan Crenshaw, you really think they would hassle me?

01:12:41.780 Dan Crenshaw, the guy from Texas?

01:12:44.140 Yeah.

01:12:44.540 Is he corrupt?

01:12:45.920 Well, on the most deep, on a moral level, he's completely corrupt.

01:12:48.640 I mean, he takes orders from his donors to do things that have nothing to do with the welfare of his voters.

01:12:53.460 So by definition, he's corrupt, yes.

01:12:55.240 And also crazy and drunk and all the rest.

01:12:59.200 Sad, sad.

01:12:59.920 I'm not – actually –

01:13:01.040 Oh, I think I met him in a nightclub one time.

01:13:02.720 Yeah, well, I'm sure you did.

01:13:04.620 But I shouldn't be – I feel sorry for Dan Crenshaw being serious.

01:13:08.260 But anyway, the point is the more corrupt you are, the more they like you because they can control you.

01:13:13.600 What they don't want is someone who might do something unexpected who they can't control.

01:13:18.440 That's what they fear, obviously.

01:13:20.120 It's what everybody fears.

01:13:21.220 But do you think that as – well, for – so for Marjorie, do you – what do you think happened in that meeting?

01:13:27.840 Because she had a meeting, I guess, with Trump?

01:13:29.240 I don't know.

01:13:30.400 I don't know what happened between her and Trump.

01:13:33.520 I know what happened to her over the past five years serving in Congress, which was she was like –

01:13:38.200 Trump withdrew his political endorsement and publicly insulted Green, labeling her as a traitor due to her vocal opposition to his handling of Epstein files and other policy disagreements.

01:13:48.540 Yeah.

01:13:48.740 Green announced her resignation effective January 5th, 2026 to avoid a divisive primary challenge.

01:13:55.500 But why not –

01:13:56.220 Is it divisive?

01:13:56.840 Huh?

01:13:57.320 Is it divisive?

01:13:58.580 A primary challenge?

01:13:59.580 Divisive.

01:14:00.300 Oh, divisive probably.

01:14:00.940 I've never figured it out.

01:14:01.640 They change it so much.

01:14:02.500 Yeah, they do.

01:14:03.220 They do.

01:14:04.820 Do they – but why not go and challenge then?

01:14:07.640 Why secede then?

01:14:09.060 Why not go and say, okay, I'm going to keep fighting and people are going to support you?

01:14:13.300 I honestly don't know the answer.

01:14:14.940 You don't?

01:14:15.240 Well, the only thing I know – I really don't.

01:14:17.800 I haven't talked to her about it and I don't know the answer.

01:14:19.500 I'm sure there's thinking behind it that I'm not that great at – you know, the thinking about what the right move in politics is.

01:14:26.180 But I know big picture what happened because I saw it up close, which is she showed up very much like any other person.

01:14:33.140 It's like, this country has problems.

01:14:34.700 I want to fix them.

01:14:35.780 And she shows up and all people are like, shut up, honey.

01:14:38.060 She was getting too close to what the truth is.

01:14:42.260 And the truth is the people running the system are completely corrupt and the welfare of their people, our country's people, is not even on their list of concerns at all.

01:14:52.780 They're beholden to the people who pay them and – or who threaten them.

01:14:57.400 And she said that out loud and, oh, man, she had like very few allies.

01:15:03.380 Once you say that, you're marked.

01:15:05.140 So I think she concluded – this is my understanding – she concluded I can't – I'm having no effect here at all.

01:15:10.580 It's driving me crazy.

01:15:11.360 And the Epstein thing, you know, I've never understood what the justification for keeping that information secret – Epstein was murdered in prison, okay?

01:15:25.300 I know a lot about it.

01:15:26.760 I'm not just throwing that out there.

01:15:28.740 Epstein was murdered in prison.

01:15:30.040 Well, they put him with a cellmate that was kind of a crazy – like former police officer, right?

01:15:33.320 Yeah, a former police officer killed a number of drug dealers.

01:15:36.340 I'm not saying that guy did it, but I'm saying, well, I asked Bureau of Prisons because I learned all this stuff about it.

01:15:41.120 Because I know Epstein's brother, Mark, well.

01:15:43.280 And I never expected to get down this rabbit hole at all.

01:15:46.640 I had – the guy called me like a week after his brother was killed.

01:15:49.740 Mark did?

01:15:50.340 Yeah.

01:15:50.780 And yeah, I was literally sitting in my backyard in Maine and he called me and I don't know how he got my cell.

01:15:56.720 And we – it ended up this years-long thing.

01:15:59.360 It's not interesting and I won't bore you with it, but the bottom line is Jeff Epstein was murdered in federal lockup in Manhattan in the secure unit.

01:16:07.860 I think there were only 16 men on the unit and I think only 14 there that night.

01:16:13.640 I may have thought slightly wrong, but it's very small and it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States and he got murdered in it.

01:16:19.620 So that raises all kinds of obvious questions like who has the power to do that?

01:16:23.180 So that's a big deal.

01:16:24.040 And then the attorney general at the time helped cover it up.

01:16:28.240 And I know him and Bill Barr.

01:16:32.900 So I – and I say that and he's like, oh, I'm going to sue you.

01:16:35.360 And I said, go ahead and sue me.

01:16:37.540 I hope you will.

01:16:38.940 And what's the answer?

01:16:40.000 Like why don't you answer?

01:16:41.400 He never will.

01:16:42.320 Well, it turns out – and this does make you crazy – that his father, Donald Barr, is the guy who started Epstein's career,

01:16:48.440 who both gave him his first job for which he was not qualified and then got him his second job at Bear Stearns for which he was definitely unqualified.

01:16:54.440 What is that?

01:16:55.140 A former CIA guy, OSS guy.

01:16:56.980 But anyway, the point is that question of how an American citizen, kid toucher or not, could get murdered in federal lockup in our biggest city,

01:17:08.420 like holy shit, that should scare everybody.

01:17:10.520 And then the attorney general of the United States is covering it up.

01:17:13.680 He admitted – this is the attorney general when Epstein was murdered – said, I told everyone around me,

01:17:20.640 we need to make sure the country believes this was a suicide.

01:17:23.980 It's like you haven't even done a freaking investigation.

01:17:25.780 You're the chief law enforcement officer and you're telling me the outcome before you even look into it?

01:17:30.620 How do you know that?

01:17:31.540 Because he admitted it in his autobiography.

01:17:33.720 And so I'm not guessing at any of this stuff, okay?

01:17:37.620 So I call Bureau of Prisons and I'm like, I want the names of the inmates who are serving on this block because clearly nobody got in or out of the block.

01:17:47.220 It's –

01:17:47.620 Right.

01:17:47.820 Well, it also was a question to our prison system.

01:17:53.040 It's like how would you not – like obviously this is the guy you have to protect.

01:17:56.420 They did it on purpose and he was murdered clearly by another inmate.

01:18:01.380 And there is so much – I mean I did like an hour on this.

01:18:04.880 Anyone interested can look it up.

01:18:06.200 But I'm not a conspiracy nut at all.

01:18:08.580 I've been a journalist my whole life.

01:18:10.340 I've often been wrong but I've always been attentive to what I believe the facts to be.

01:18:14.340 I think it really matters whether you're accurate and I've tried to be.

01:18:18.360 So it was not a perfect storm of screw-ups.

01:18:20.380 They never did the investigation into how this guy died.

01:18:24.120 They redressed him in clothes that he wasn't wearing when he died for pictures in the hospital infirmary.

01:18:30.060 All the records of what happened to his body are gone.

01:18:33.320 And critically, we cannot get – and I tried directly by calling the attorney general's office.

01:18:38.040 I want a list of the names of the inmates.

01:18:40.420 It's publicly available.

01:18:41.400 They're convicted felons, dude.

01:18:42.840 This is not secret information.

01:18:44.340 National security information.

01:18:45.500 Why can't you tell me that?

01:18:49.620 They allowed him to be murdered in federal lockup.

01:18:52.600 So leave all the Petto Island stuff out of it and just ask yourself how can we continue to live in a country where a high-profile inmate can be murdered in our prison system by some – who's powerful enough to do that?

01:19:06.960 And so these are not only legitimate questions.

01:19:10.300 They're essential questions.

01:19:12.380 And, like, we're mad at the people asking them?

01:19:14.360 That's the weirdest thing.

01:19:15.080 Fuck you.

01:19:15.800 Yeah.

01:19:16.600 Sorry.

01:19:17.060 I'm trying to get –

01:19:17.520 No.

01:19:18.460 That's one of the craziest things right now.

01:19:19.880 It feels like the people you're supposed to be able to ask, you can't – like, we're the weird people now for asking questions.

01:19:26.640 Like, it's like you get labeled as the weird guy for asking questions.

01:19:29.980 They just said –

01:19:30.300 Don't let them into your head.

01:19:31.780 They just said that lady, Bari Weiss or whatever her name is, and she was on ABC.

01:19:37.000 It's one of the greatest liars in our public life.

01:19:39.260 Did you see this video she said?

01:19:40.760 I think she mentioned you in it.

01:19:42.140 She's an unbelievable liar.

01:19:43.280 The last thing that I'm beginning to sort of reckon with right now is the extent of profound anti-American and anti-Jewish sentiment on large parts of the American right.

01:19:58.320 A lot of the illiberalism on the left that came from the fringe into the mainstream of the Democratic Party began as a fringe online movement that a lot of Democrats and a lot of liberals waved away because it was just some crazy influencers online.

01:20:16.780 And woe to the people that still are telling themselves that and still believe that the things that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are saying will not make an impact on the right because they will.

01:20:32.580 Everything about that is just so amazing to me.

01:20:35.180 I'm anti-American, really.

01:20:37.000 Family's been here for 400 years.

01:20:38.880 I have no allegiance to any foreign country.

01:20:41.500 I put my country first and you.

01:20:43.100 It takes a lot of balls for Barry Weiss who acts openly on behalf of a foreign country.

01:20:48.100 Her only concerns are not American concerns.

01:20:50.640 They pertain to the fortunes of a foreign country.

01:20:52.600 Do they really?

01:20:53.460 Oh, yes.

01:20:56.100 Yes, I'm not.

01:20:57.060 That's an informed statement.

01:20:58.480 And calling me anti-American, you can say that Carlson's an asshole or whatever, but she has to call me the one thing that she is, which is like this weird psychology, I have to say.

01:21:09.580 Calling me a hater.

01:21:10.900 I'm a lot of things.

01:21:11.700 It's a buffoon, a hothead, bad table manners, whatever, fat.

01:21:17.220 I'm not anti-American.

01:21:18.540 That's all I care about.

01:21:19.300 I wouldn't say fat.

01:21:19.940 Maybe holiday chubby, maybe.

01:21:22.040 No, but okay, so that's the first thing.

01:21:23.880 You seem like you own a couple of Build-A-Bears probably, but just the seasonal ones.

01:21:28.200 I think you always look like you're ready for Christmas.

01:21:30.200 You know what?

01:21:30.720 I wear the same clothes and it keeps my weight down.

01:21:33.060 I'm so cheap, I'm not buying new clothes ever.

01:21:35.560 And I wear size 36 and if I get above that, I'm just going to suffer through it until I stop eating donuts.

01:21:40.500 But anyway, and I'm not attacking.

01:21:42.860 Look, here's what I'm saying.

01:21:43.820 I think Barry Weiss is super energetic.

01:21:45.680 But why is this someone who's supporting a different country and not our country first?

01:21:49.100 Ahead of a network.

01:21:49.980 Calling me anti-American.

01:21:51.220 Right, but also.

01:21:52.000 It's like, okay.

01:21:53.400 Barry Weiss is a vocal supporter of Israel describing her views as pro-Israeli.

01:21:57.020 She's a, quote, Zionist fanatic calling me anti-American.

01:22:02.140 Whatever.

01:22:02.480 Obviously, I'm being too literal.

01:22:03.400 But why does she get to be the head?

01:22:04.900 And I don't know the lady, but why does she get to, if her allegiance isn't to America first, how is she the head of an American network?

01:22:12.260 Well, that's, of course, an entirely fair question that you're not allowed to ask.

01:22:16.500 But here's the deeper thing that I've been meditating on recently is that a lot of our overlords like Barry Weiss are actually totally mediocre.

01:22:23.020 And the most depressing thing about the United States in 2025 is that we're led not just by bad people, but by unimpressive, dumb, totally non-creative people.

01:22:32.560 Barry Weiss has no experience in journalism at all.

01:22:34.340 Like, she's never committed.

01:22:35.560 She's like an opinion writer or whatever for the New York Times or something.

01:22:38.900 She's not a journalist.

01:22:39.860 Like, never written a freaking story in her life.

01:22:42.160 And she's dumb.

01:22:43.660 She doesn't know anything.

01:22:44.940 So that's fine.

01:22:45.660 Lots of dumb people.

01:22:46.560 My dogs are dumb.

01:22:47.220 I don't hold it against them.

01:22:48.060 But for you to ascend to the top of whatever pyramid you think you occupy, and you're not even impressive.

01:22:54.700 Like, Bill Ackman, same thing.

01:22:56.680 Bill Ackman's worth like $8 billion or something.

01:22:58.600 It's fine.

01:22:59.040 I don't care if Bill Ackman, whatever Bill Ackman does.

01:23:01.200 But I know Bill Ackman.

01:23:01.980 He's kind of dumb.

01:23:03.580 He's not.

01:23:04.340 Ever created anything.

01:23:05.380 He's totally non-creative.

01:23:07.080 How do these people wind up running our biggest institutions?

01:23:10.080 And the reason that's significant is because if you pay close enough attention and you realize that the people running everything are stupid, then you think, well, actually, the system is truly rigged on behalf of people who do not deserve these positions at all.

01:23:25.880 It's not just that I disagree with Barry Weiss or she's calling me names or I'm calling her names or whatever.

01:23:29.260 It's like in no fair system and no meritocracy would Barry Weiss rise above secretary.

01:23:36.000 Like, actually, and I mean that.

01:23:37.940 I've been in this business my whole life.

01:23:39.100 I've been in this business since Barry Weiss was breastfeeding, okay?

01:23:41.700 There's no world in which Barry Weiss rises to the top of a news network except a rigged world.

01:23:47.220 That's it.

01:23:48.780 Does that make sense?

01:23:50.340 It's shocking to me.

01:23:51.880 Right.

01:23:52.040 They're not – like people aren't even putting their best people in front.

01:23:54.760 Like they're –

01:23:55.780 It's almost a humiliation exercise.

01:23:57.420 It's like we're going to take someone as stupid as Bill Ackman and give him $8 billion.

01:24:01.660 We're going to take someone as stupid and totally non-creative, like literally uninformed.

01:24:06.580 Like she didn't even know who Assad was.

01:24:08.440 Like she's an idiot.

01:24:09.340 And we're going to put her in charge of CBS News just to show that individual merit, energy, creativity, which is the most important thing.

01:24:19.760 Creativity is what a healthy society rewards because we are designed to create things.

01:24:24.980 That's why we're not animals.

01:24:26.620 We're human beings.

01:24:27.860 The creative power is the spark that distinguishes us from all other species.

01:24:31.860 We create things.

01:24:33.220 God created the world.

01:24:34.120 He created us in his image.

01:24:35.140 And we henceforth create things.

01:24:37.040 So creativity has to be the most rewarded factor in any healthy society.

01:24:42.820 And now, because our society is inverse, it's upside down, creativity is penalized.

01:24:48.660 How dare you say that?

01:24:50.040 It's not what every other drone is saying.

01:24:51.760 It's not what the machine tells us to say.

01:24:53.940 And Barry Weiss, the single least creative human being, the single most robotic, what are the talking points?

01:25:00.880 Repeating them, that person winds up at the top of the pyramid.

01:25:04.080 It is – that is what offends me.

01:25:05.940 It's not that she loves Israel.

01:25:07.040 I don't give a shit what she thinks of Israel.

01:25:08.340 It's not that she criticizes me.

01:25:10.300 Obviously, I don't really care.

01:25:11.900 It's that her presence at the top of CBS News means all of those institutions are totally fake.

01:25:19.960 That's why.

01:25:20.840 All of what institutions?

01:25:21.600 The news institutions?

01:25:22.600 Or her?

01:25:22.940 That institution?

01:25:24.200 Wall Street of Bill Ackman?

01:25:26.120 You tell me one – and I'm not even like moralizing.

01:25:28.500 And I don't hate Bill Ackman.

01:25:29.420 But like Bill Ackman's an idiot.

01:25:30.880 Who is he?

01:25:31.380 I don't know him.

01:25:32.300 He's a hedge fund guy who's made most of his money by short selling.

01:25:36.120 And that means I go on CNBC and I attack your company.

01:25:40.480 Its stock price falls and I've made a reverse bet against the stock price and I get rich.

01:25:44.880 You tell me how that benefits your society.

01:25:47.320 Talking about American companies?

01:25:49.360 Like how is that productive?

01:25:50.960 How is that the act of creation?

01:25:52.460 It's the act of destruction.

01:25:53.460 And I give you $8 billion.

01:25:54.760 The whole system is rigged.

01:25:56.900 Okay?

01:25:58.200 Well, I think a lot of people feel that now.

01:26:00.120 They feel like the system is rigged.

01:26:01.960 They feel like there's no way for them to win.

01:26:03.820 They feel like it's all insider trading.

01:26:06.180 They feel like it's Hollywood or the news creates a narrative.

01:26:10.120 That affects what goes on.

01:26:11.540 But it's garbage.

01:26:12.580 The movies are garbage.

01:26:13.680 The mass media, all of it is turning out slop and it's like –

01:26:16.800 I understand that.

01:26:17.440 But how does that evolve?

01:26:18.760 How do things get better?

01:26:19.900 It – those institutions are done.

01:26:23.660 So our job, again, is to love the people around us and tell the truth.

01:26:28.280 And in that act, we make things better.

01:26:32.260 Okay?

01:26:32.860 Because –

01:26:33.540 Okay.

01:26:34.020 Dude, you've got the second biggest podcast in the world or something?

01:26:37.620 I mean, I don't think –

01:26:39.520 I haven't looked at the charts, but –

01:26:41.160 Okay.

01:26:41.700 We're doing good.

01:26:42.340 I know you're number seven.

01:26:43.340 I've been in this my whole life.

01:26:45.440 You've been in this like – I don't know.

01:26:46.980 You were a stand-up comedian and all of a sudden you're like dominating global

01:26:49.860 podcasting.

01:26:50.540 It's like, how did that happen?

01:26:51.760 That's the new – it's just one example.

01:26:53.440 But that's the new institution.

01:26:55.240 Yeah.

01:26:55.560 Dude, we're doing our best, dude.

01:26:56.800 No, but it's working.

01:26:57.740 That's the point.

01:26:58.360 It's working.

01:26:58.500 Dude, my friend said these glasses aren't even real the other day.

01:27:01.220 Are those not – those are pretty ugly to be fake.

01:27:03.160 You think?

01:27:03.620 Yeah.

01:27:04.440 If you're going to buy fake glasses –

01:27:06.000 Like I –

01:27:06.420 Everybody hates these.

01:27:07.560 I just got them.

01:27:09.840 They used to call those birth control glasses.

01:27:11.420 Really?

01:27:11.800 Yeah, those work.

01:27:12.800 You're never going to impregnate anyone in those glasses.

01:27:15.260 Would you know my name?

01:27:17.600 Dude, I'm never going to knock anybody out.

01:27:19.480 You're right.

01:27:19.720 You're right.

01:27:20.200 You're totally right.

01:27:21.560 I don't know.

01:27:21.920 You know what?

01:27:22.480 I think you just overcame your eyewear with that.

01:27:24.420 I was just going to help.

01:27:24.940 You break out the acoustic air, Clapton, and even I want to sleep with you.

01:27:28.620 I totally agree.

01:27:31.200 No, but I think for all the – like I do think – what's the phrase they use?

01:27:34.720 The black pill or whatever.

01:27:36.600 Everyone's like, so it's all falling apart.

01:27:39.000 That's a stage on the continuum.

01:27:41.080 This is an arc of consciousness and you realize, holy shit, everything is terrible.

01:27:44.740 It's falling apart.

01:27:45.620 And then you get through that.

01:27:46.920 Right.

01:27:47.140 This just happened to me.

01:27:47.820 I just got through it.

01:27:48.660 And I'm like, yes, but a new world is being born, like for real, and it's beautiful,

01:27:52.960 and it's honest, and it's creative.

01:27:55.900 It's not just – it's not fake.

01:28:00.120 Everything – what you hate about the modern world is that it lacks creativity,

01:28:05.580 and creativity is the human spark.

01:28:07.360 It's the energy that makes you different from the chair you're sitting in,

01:28:10.740 and that is bursting out everywhere, and I love it.

01:28:17.060 Well, I saw an article the other day.

01:28:19.180 Did you see about how – oh, with TikTok, right, with social media,

01:28:25.660 with trying to own the companies, right?

01:28:27.520 Did you see that video with Yet and Yahoo for the TikTok ownership?

01:28:32.860 This is wild, bro.

01:28:34.660 This is a –

01:28:35.120 You can't fight today with swords.

01:28:39.360 That doesn't work very well.

01:28:40.580 But we have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefields in which we're engaged.

01:28:45.880 And the most important ones are on social media.

01:28:49.240 And the most important purchase that is going on right now is class words.

01:28:54.840 Buy followers.

01:28:55.560 Somebody said buy followers.

01:28:56.900 How hilarious is that, dude?

01:28:58.060 That's the best.

01:29:00.640 TikTok.

01:29:02.040 TikTok.

01:29:02.660 Number one.

01:29:03.700 Number one.

01:29:04.680 And I hope it goes through because it's – it can be consequential.

01:29:09.320 Imagine saying that.

01:29:10.840 It's like, what is that?

01:29:11.700 Why did he say that, do you think?

01:29:12.940 Why did he just confirm every crazed anti-Semitic conspiracy online?

01:29:19.440 Jews control everything.

01:29:20.720 And there's literally the prime minister of Israel being like, yes, we control everything.

01:29:24.620 Why would he say something?

01:29:25.660 First of all, he, like Barry Weiss, is kind of stupid, clever, ruthless, but stupid, not creative at all.

01:29:32.060 There's that.

01:29:32.980 But there's a deeper reason because he's trying to inspire hatred.

01:29:37.440 He's trying to inspire hatred.

01:29:39.260 Yes, we control everything.

01:29:40.780 And I'm not falling for it.

01:29:41.800 I'm not going to be a hater.

01:29:42.860 I don't care what they do.

01:29:44.860 Well, I mean, we're being a hater in the sense where, like, if you hate against him.

01:29:48.520 But I guess if you're saying it's evil, then, yeah, hating evil isn't wrong, right?

01:29:52.300 But here's what I'm wondering.

01:29:53.700 It's like if you teach me, like, growing up, like about the Holocaust, you teach me about Nazis, you teach me about evil.

01:30:00.240 And then I take what I've learned, right?

01:30:03.100 And I apply it to the world.

01:30:06.000 Yeah.

01:30:06.280 And I see it.

01:30:07.240 I see it point blank.

01:30:08.620 I see it in Gaza.

01:30:11.100 I see it in the Middle East.

01:30:11.900 I see it in Palestine.

01:30:12.920 And it's the first one where you see these things happening.

01:30:15.280 Like, it's almost like, well, if I had seen slavery on my phone, I'd be like, this is fucked up.

01:30:21.240 If I had seen, you know, it's like, it's the first thing you see.

01:30:25.120 And did you see that chick who was at some conference recently?

01:30:27.560 I think she was like Carmela Harris, a speechwriter, former speechwriter.

01:30:30.900 And she's like, you know, we made a huge mistake, like, talking too much about the Holocaust because now people are comparing what's happening in Gaza to the Holocaust.

01:30:39.180 But it's like, don't come in and gaslight me to think now I'm wrong for seeing this.

01:30:43.900 And then, and then imagine if.

01:30:46.600 Shit, we never should have mentioned the Nazis because we set absolute standards of behavior that we're now failing to meet and we're being blamed.

01:30:52.560 It's like, are you.

01:30:53.200 And then now when this guy says they want to buy TikTok so that the influence is different, like, it's just like, I don't understand.

01:31:02.000 But to say that out loud.

01:31:02.440 Why are we the only people that feel, or why aren't more people activated about this?

01:31:06.900 It's like watching.

01:31:08.120 Okay, but can I just make you feel better?

01:31:09.540 It's like watching something horrible happen and we can't even ask our own country for help.

01:31:14.460 That's the crazy part.

01:31:15.400 I can't believe that half of our representatives aren't speaking up and saying something like, hey, we're going to shut this down.

01:31:20.320 This is wrong.

01:31:21.020 We're not going to let, because wasn't he condemned by the ICC for.

01:31:25.640 Yeah, they don't care.

01:31:27.800 He was a condemned war criminal, right?

01:31:30.220 Is that right?

01:31:30.900 I guess.

01:31:31.540 Yeah.

01:31:33.360 And, and I just don't understand how regular people, comedians and, you know, a guy who loves Johnson and Murphy from Maine are the ones who are fucking having to speak up about that.

01:31:44.640 Like, what is going on?

01:31:46.020 Well, that's the beauty that I'm talking about.

01:31:47.740 That's the new world being born.

01:31:48.680 And sorry if you don't love Johnson and Murphy.

01:31:50.040 I don't, these are like my Turkish grounding shoes.

01:31:53.340 Those are nice.

01:31:54.180 They're so ugly, but I got these from someone else in the nicotine business who's like, dude, these will ground you to the earth's essential forces.

01:32:02.320 Really?

01:32:02.940 I don't know what that means, of course.

01:32:04.220 I have no idea.

01:32:04.860 But I, I am originally from California in the 70s.

01:32:07.080 So I kind of fall for shit like that.

01:32:08.420 And I'm like.

01:32:08.580 I look like you could smoke in them for sure, dude.

01:32:10.420 I've, I've.

01:32:11.820 Yeah.

01:32:12.420 But I'll say this.

01:32:13.500 Smoked a few cigarettes in those in my life.

01:32:14.380 Every time I see a Johnson and Murphy, I peek my head and I say, hey, Tucky.

01:32:17.400 I say that when I see it at the airport.

01:32:18.220 I don't really know what it is.

01:32:19.260 Just like a, it's like a shop.

01:32:20.680 It's like a Brooks Brothers kind of.

01:32:22.080 Oh.

01:32:22.440 Yeah.

01:32:22.660 No, I buy my clothes on eBay.

01:32:24.160 Always.

01:32:24.840 But anyway, sorry.

01:32:25.720 It wasn't, it wasn't a negative.

01:32:27.920 No, no.

01:32:28.200 But here's the point though.

01:32:29.340 It wasn't a negative thing, Tucker.

01:32:30.280 It's like, this is the beautiful thing.

01:32:31.480 It's like negative.

01:32:32.760 No.

01:32:33.380 I never get the reference.

01:32:34.880 I'm so fucking out of it.

01:32:35.740 But we're like in this moment where the old is going away and the new is on its way.

01:32:42.360 And some of it is menacing and scary and hard to understand like AI or crypto.

01:32:45.580 Okay.

01:32:46.080 Could be good.

01:32:46.560 Could be bad.

01:32:46.980 Could be both.

01:32:47.920 But it's big.

01:32:48.860 But some of it is just totally recognizable.

01:32:50.880 It's called the human spirit and it's irrepressible.

01:32:53.560 You can't actually extinguish it no matter how many people you kill.

01:32:56.620 And no matter how many lies you tell, it will always sort of bubble up around you.

01:33:01.840 And it's bubbling up now in a big way.

01:33:04.840 And I would just, last thing I want to say, like if you really are worried,

01:33:08.760 if you feel like, oh, there's this international conspiracy of people to oppress humanity and

01:33:13.620 to kill humanity, that's obviously true.

01:33:16.260 Degrade us, enslave us, obviously true.

01:33:18.100 Like not even a guess that's happening.

01:33:20.180 But who's behind it?

01:33:21.540 Go and read some of the Epstein emails that have been released.

01:33:24.740 Thousands have been released.

01:33:26.060 And ask yourself, like as a human, what's the first thing I noticed?

01:33:29.240 Jeffrey Epstein was a fucking idiot.

01:33:31.360 He could barely speak English.

01:33:32.820 He was from Coney Island and he was like an idiot.

01:33:34.840 He was like an idiot.

01:33:35.660 He writes like a moron.

01:33:37.640 Okay.

01:33:37.920 We're being oppressed by dumb people.

01:33:42.600 We imagine their geniuses because they're evil, but we miss the obvious signs that these

01:33:47.660 people are stupid.

01:33:49.100 They are stupid.

01:33:50.300 They are not as impressive as like the normal people in my world.

01:33:53.420 Jeffrey Epstein was an idiot.

01:33:55.280 So we have this like picture of like the diabolical genius pulling the strings.

01:34:00.260 I'm moving this population here and this population.

01:34:02.020 I'll give them the COVID facts.

01:34:04.780 But really you've got like just thugs.

01:34:07.180 They're just like nightclub bouncers who have billions of dollars and they're idiots.

01:34:12.580 They're head injury patients.

01:34:14.300 Bill Ackman?

01:34:15.540 Like he's a fucking idiot.

01:34:18.800 Jeff Epstein?

01:34:19.780 It's true.

01:34:20.820 Barry Weiss?

01:34:21.700 Like I'm not too worried about Barry Weiss taking over the world.

01:34:24.520 I don't care how many billionaires hand her news organizations because she's obedient to their

01:34:28.260 preferred country.

01:34:30.180 She's still an idiot.

01:34:31.920 Sorry.

01:34:32.900 Yeah, I've heard Tim Dillon talk about her, but I'm not that familiar with her.

01:34:36.000 He knew her very well, I think.

01:34:37.340 He did?

01:34:37.720 So I think Tim, and he can speak for himself, but as I remember the story, like he was in

01:34:41.380 her orbit and, you know, I know all the people, of course, in her orbit.

01:34:46.320 And some of them I like.

01:34:47.080 I've never disliked Barry Weiss personally.

01:34:48.640 She's very charming, I will say, and very energetic, which I love anybody.

01:34:52.620 But he was like buddies with her and they were going to parties.

01:34:55.500 And then like, well, he can explain it better than I could, but my understanding is he's

01:35:00.020 like, one day he's like, killed a lot of kids in Gaza, I think.

01:35:03.760 And I think within like 10 minutes, she was like on the phone with his agent.

01:35:07.100 Gotta fire Tim Dillon!

01:35:09.440 Wow.

01:35:10.960 Okay.

01:35:11.980 So I guess our friendship wasn't built on the foundation, I assumed it was.

01:35:15.320 It's like, and dumb people are very much like that.

01:35:19.600 They have like one interest.

01:35:21.760 They're what we call single issue voters.

01:35:24.200 Like there's no nuance at all.

01:35:25.900 I remember her, do you remember when she attacked Tulsi Gabbard, who's a beautiful soul?

01:35:30.880 Just a good person.

01:35:31.780 Yeah, Tulsi's very nice.

01:35:32.420 She sent me a couple of nice messages over the years.

01:35:34.280 She's just a great person.

01:35:35.320 She's an honest person.

01:35:35.960 But do you remember when he attacked her on Rogan?

01:35:39.140 And Rogan in his.

01:35:40.660 Oh yeah, Rogan stood up for her.

01:35:42.180 In his wonderful way.

01:35:43.220 He's like, I'm not sure, what do you mean by that?

01:35:45.000 You know, in his Rogan-like, not attacking back, but just like explain yourself a little

01:35:48.980 more.

01:35:49.720 And Barry Weiss was like, it was like you caught her on the john or something.

01:35:52.740 She was like, oh, I have to explain the casual slander I threw at her.

01:35:58.020 She had no fucking idea what she was talking about.

01:36:00.620 Oh, it was the word toady.

01:36:01.260 She didn't know what toady meant.

01:36:02.120 She's a toady for Assad.

01:36:04.680 And it's like, oh, there it is.

01:36:06.780 Oh, my memory is still in place.

01:36:08.920 And she couldn't define toady.

01:36:11.000 According to multiple accounts from listeners and subsequent commentary, Weiss struggled

01:36:13.900 to define toady in that specific context and failed to effectively back up her assertion

01:36:18.140 with specific facts.

01:36:19.460 Being flustered during the exchange, the moment was wildly circulating in clips online and

01:36:22.500 frequently brought up by critics of Weiss as an example of a journalist using obstantiated

01:36:26.320 labels or neocon talking points.

01:36:28.340 No, it's an example of someone who got a 350 on the English SAT.

01:36:31.620 Okay, this is a dumb person.

01:36:33.080 We don't know that.

01:36:34.140 Okay, but somehow got a job at the New York Times and you don't know what toady is?

01:36:37.340 Like, she's in the word business, baby, you know?

01:36:39.280 Well, I just don't understand how, like, why isn't there, like, you used to believe that

01:36:48.060 everybody that was elected was campaigning for America first, right?

01:36:51.600 Like, America first was the thing.

01:36:53.580 That's our system, right?

01:36:54.820 But that's not what's going on.

01:36:56.600 Well, it's, of course, just the opposite.

01:36:58.160 I mean, look at the country.

01:36:59.200 So, the country's dying not because the people are bad, because of bad leadership.

01:37:02.960 Yeah.

01:37:03.100 Leadership is everything.

01:37:03.940 I used to, you know, you get brainwashed growing up here and you're like, no, what

01:37:07.080 really matters is how most people feel.

01:37:08.520 No, what really matters is the willingness of your leaders to actually die for you as

01:37:14.440 you would for your children.

01:37:15.320 Like, it's that simple.

01:37:16.160 If they love you, they will, your country will prosper.

01:37:18.600 If they hate you, it will fail.

01:37:19.740 It's super simple.

01:37:20.440 They don't like us.

01:37:21.500 Okay, got it.

01:37:22.460 Got it.

01:37:24.160 And what do you think that we could do differently?

01:37:25.960 I know that John Rich on your show that one thing that was interesting, he said that he felt

01:37:30.440 like a lot of Americans have just kind of cowered and watched this kind of happen.

01:37:33.820 Don't be a bitch.

01:37:34.700 Yeah.

01:37:34.960 He was pretty adamant about it.

01:37:36.100 Don't ever be a bitch.

01:37:37.100 Yeah, that's right.

01:37:37.980 He was speaking mostly about Christians, but also about Americans, that they've just kind

01:37:41.460 of cowered and sort of let this, like, um, let evil policies, evil things come in and

01:37:47.420 not stood up for their own voices or stood up against their own fears.

01:37:51.900 Do you think that that's true?

01:37:53.520 Oh gosh, it's the truest thing.

01:37:55.220 I participate in it.

01:37:56.100 There are plenty of things I'm just like, I don't want to deal with that.

01:37:58.220 Oh yeah.

01:37:58.780 Or I might.

01:37:59.400 Oh yeah.

01:37:59.580 What am I asking if it's true, dude?

01:38:00.580 Take a loss.

01:38:01.260 Yeah.

01:38:01.560 I mean, it's not, I hate to point one of your, as I said a minute ago, one of your tics,

01:38:07.640 verbal tics that I just, I want to emulate and I want to be like this is you preface

01:38:12.380 every attack or assessment of someone else with a self critique.

01:38:16.380 You're like, I've done a lot of shitty things, but I think that person's doing a shitty thing.

01:38:20.360 Like I think that's a really good habit to get into just because righteousness is good.

01:38:24.020 Self-righteousness is evil.

01:38:25.220 And there's a big difference.

01:38:26.440 Well, your ego is very scary.

01:38:28.140 That's a thing.

01:38:28.720 So scary.

01:38:29.280 It's the scariest thing.

01:38:30.180 It's the scariest thing.

01:38:31.100 That's what kills you.

01:38:31.880 If you're a man anyway, for sure.

01:38:33.540 The ego is very scary, but yeah, I have there been like, yeah.

01:38:37.700 Where's the leadership supposed to come from now?

01:38:39.980 Like if we can't believe that our politicians are going to guide us, right?

01:38:43.660 Well, the system is obviously changing, you know, just like the media.

01:38:47.180 Okay.

01:38:47.500 I went into this in 1991.

01:38:49.220 It's, I can't, I could write 10 books on how different it is.

01:38:52.540 Everything about it, not just my perceptions of it, but the systems itself are totally different.

01:38:56.420 And so systems evolve and we're clearly at the end of something in the beginning of something

01:39:01.920 else.

01:39:02.140 And I can't know with any precision what we're moving into, but clearly it's not going to be

01:39:06.060 like what we had.

01:39:06.860 Like we know that because this system doesn't work, doesn't produce anything worth having.

01:39:12.240 It's obviously dishonest in a transparent way.

01:39:15.400 A lie doesn't infuriate you unless you know it's a lie.

01:39:17.740 Now we know it's a lie.

01:39:18.620 So by definition, we can't keep doing this.

01:39:20.620 And Barry Weiss can be like anyone who disagrees with Netanyahu is now imprisoned.

01:39:24.160 And you can do that.

01:39:25.520 I'm sure she would love to do that, but it's still not going to work because you're going

01:39:29.040 to have prisons full of people who still disagree with Barry Weiss.

01:39:31.080 It's like you can't change people's minds by force.

01:39:33.920 It has never worked and it never will.

01:39:35.580 So our system is reaching the end of something.

01:39:39.780 I hope it's not.

01:39:40.340 I love our system.

01:39:41.120 I hope it's not destroyed, but clearly it's going to change.

01:39:43.620 It has to.

01:39:44.460 It will.

01:39:45.180 It feels like it's going to happen fast though, doesn't it?

01:39:46.720 It's going to happen fast.

01:39:47.540 And I just hope it's not too destructive.

01:39:49.560 I don't want chaos, man.

01:39:50.780 That is, I've seen that in foreign countries and it's scary.

01:39:55.020 There's nothing scarier than that.

01:39:56.540 It happened in your state.

01:39:58.440 It happened during, I saw it during Katrina.

01:40:00.800 Ooh.

01:40:01.540 Yeah.

01:40:01.920 I was like, I can't believe this is happening.

01:40:04.080 You know, just for a day or two where there's no cops and there are kids running around with

01:40:07.660 guns and like shooting.

01:40:08.820 I was right next to a guy who got shot to death.

01:40:11.660 Like what?

01:40:12.560 Yeah.

01:40:13.340 And you have people listening to young boy just popping off to doing who knows what.

01:40:17.360 That's what chaos looks like.

01:40:18.540 It's so bad, man.

01:40:19.340 Yeah.

01:40:19.540 I don't want that at all.

01:40:21.000 And there'll be a lot.

01:40:21.820 Yeah.

01:40:21.940 There's a lot of guns in this state too.

01:40:23.700 So people, there's a lot of guns in every state, but.

01:40:25.740 Especially in my house.

01:40:26.600 But yeah, but I'm not the only one.

01:40:28.120 Yeah.

01:40:29.400 And I don't, you know, I don't think in the end.

01:40:31.620 Oh, I think how it all ends is blacks versus drones.

01:40:34.240 That's how I think it ends.

01:40:37.240 And I've said this before and I believe that.

01:40:40.500 Can you game it out for me a little bit?

01:40:42.120 How does that play out?

01:40:43.860 Because like, you know, the news over time and everything, it makes white people, you

01:40:48.080 know, white people look bad.

01:40:49.440 White people, the devil, blah, blah.

01:40:51.040 We hate the whites.

01:40:51.740 Yeah, whiteys, you know, during like the Trump campaign, they were like, every Southern

01:40:56.200 person or Midwestern person was the only, you know, piece of shit, you know, just all

01:41:00.580 that.

01:41:01.840 The white people started ending up on a lot of pills and stuff like that and just confused

01:41:05.840 about their own value and stuff like that.

01:41:07.660 Exactly.

01:41:07.760 And that's been unfortunate because there's a lot of great people.

01:41:11.900 But it's actually one of the greatest crimes ever in this country.

01:41:14.880 It's unbelievable.

01:41:15.600 It is unbelievable.

01:41:16.100 But black folks, I think, are still like, they're still like, you know, they've kind

01:41:21.220 of gone through this.

01:41:22.660 You know, they've had such an origin story in America, right?

01:41:28.740 Enslaved.

01:41:29.300 And then like, their origin story is the best to be the victor in the end, right?

01:41:35.560 I feel like their origin story makes the best arc, character arc, to be like the hero at

01:41:40.960 the end.

01:41:41.620 So I think it ends up them versus drones, versus like the drones owned by evil folks.

01:41:47.860 And I think that's how it ends, you know?

01:41:51.060 Who wins?

01:41:52.100 I think you got to go.

01:41:54.180 I think I would go with black folks.

01:41:57.640 I would go with any people over the drones.

01:41:59.900 Yes.

01:42:00.720 But I think it's going to be black folks help us win it and they're going to defeat the

01:42:05.460 drones.

01:42:06.040 How many will it be best of seven?

01:42:07.460 I don't know.

01:42:08.660 We'll see.

01:42:09.140 And will there be advertising?

01:42:10.220 Will it be brought to you by prize picks?

01:42:11.740 I have no idea, bro.

01:42:14.000 That doesn't matter.

01:42:15.260 But I'm just saying, bro, you're going to have, it's going to be, that's where, I think

01:42:20.120 that's how it ends.

01:42:21.860 Well, I, one of the reasons that, you know, all those years they called me, no one ever

01:42:25.740 calls me a racist anymore, but they used to for years when I was at Fox, racist, racist,

01:42:30.260 racist.

01:42:30.840 And so I really thought a lot about, am I a racist?

01:42:32.840 And no, I'm annoyed by certain things for sure, but I'm not a racist at all.

01:42:37.840 And not just because I think it's immoral to be racist.

01:42:40.300 I'm not a racist because black people, what do we think of black people?

01:42:43.620 Like the most American been here.

01:42:46.220 I'm talking about African-Americans, hundreds and hundreds of years.

01:42:49.840 Like if you believe in the country, if you really feel like you're part of it, your ancestors

01:42:53.500 are buried here, you're going to die here, which is how I feel.

01:42:56.640 It's like, you're in it with black people because they've been here since day one.

01:42:59.940 You know what I mean?

01:43:00.640 There's like a, it's an American, I feel that actually.

01:43:04.660 Yeah.

01:43:05.180 I'm not, I think it's, I don't know how, like, I don't, I mean, definitely it's a, it's a

01:43:11.080 wild group, black folks, but I think they love to get in.

01:43:17.600 They love to like, they love competition.

01:43:20.460 So I could definitely see them getting into it with drones, dude.

01:43:24.840 And that's how we, well, I'm rooting for him.

01:43:26.580 Oh, I'm rooting for blacks against drones for sure.

01:43:28.880 Hell yeah.

01:43:29.520 That's the kind of shit I'm talking about.

01:43:31.300 And also.

01:43:32.220 Do you think that the, I mean, it's, it's tough though to fight drones.

01:43:36.460 Black people can figure it out.

01:43:37.720 You think so?

01:43:38.260 I think if they, once they really apply themselves to a sport, they start to crack the codes

01:43:42.360 pretty quick.

01:43:44.260 You know, you put the hit stick on a drone, dude.

01:43:47.180 I think they'll figure it out, dude.

01:43:48.860 I hope so.

01:43:49.660 It's going to be exciting, dude.

01:43:50.880 That shit's going to be one of the best things ever.

01:43:52.400 And it'll be, we'll be able to, some people will be able to watch it.

01:43:55.040 You'll be able to watch some of it on your phone.

01:43:57.800 Really?

01:43:58.920 Yeah, dude.

01:43:59.580 Blacks versus drones for sure, dude.

01:44:01.640 Have you checked with black people about this at all?

01:44:03.740 Bro, they're down, bro.

01:44:05.940 Black people are down in a heartbeat.

01:44:07.480 Black people, it's Theo.

01:44:08.400 You guys ready for blacks versus drones?

01:44:10.640 Dude, black people love to play games, bro.

01:44:12.580 They love to have a good time.

01:44:13.560 So I think if you, and if drones are just shooting people out in the streets and stuff, like if

01:44:18.360 one of these companies like Palantir, like they were using in Gaza, it comes and starts

01:44:21.640 popping off here, which now has a data, like isn't Palantir, they're able to, they're going

01:44:25.920 to do our data now, aren't they?

01:44:27.340 Aren't they, aren't they going to oversee us?

01:44:29.900 I don't know.

01:44:30.480 I see a lot of, a lot of people referring to that, but I'm just going to have to plead

01:44:36.140 ignorance on the details.

01:44:36.900 And this is allegedly, but there's articles that allege that, that they have weapons attached

01:44:42.080 to drones and that they're able to figure that out.

01:44:44.340 Palantir Technologies holds multiple major contracts with the U.S. government, particularly

01:44:47.640 with the Department of Defense, highlighted by a recent U.S. Army Enterprise Agreement

01:44:51.140 valued up to $10 billion over 10 years.

01:44:54.640 Let me see.

01:44:56.980 Consolidating 75 prior contracts into one for software and data services to boost military

01:45:01.880 readiness.

01:45:03.980 Now just keep it, that looks like it's from Wikipedia, which is obviously controlled by CIA.

01:45:08.080 This is Perplexity right here.

01:45:09.540 What's that?

01:45:10.740 Perplexity is a company that advertises with us.

01:45:13.560 It's an AI.

01:45:14.780 Oh, really?

01:45:15.440 Yeah.

01:45:15.940 Oh, good.

01:45:16.580 It doesn't scold you ever?

01:45:18.340 Not yet.

01:45:19.600 But some of that stuff's getting pretty wild.

01:45:21.200 Did you see that they were just paying chat GPT?

01:45:27.020 Israel just paying chat GPT to adjust their sentiment towards them?

01:45:31.060 Is that true?

01:45:31.760 That's unbelievable.

01:45:33.000 I don't know if it's true or not.

01:45:34.220 I want to find out in a second if we can get this article up here.

01:45:35.920 So the problem is going to be, the problem is going to be YouTube.

01:45:39.500 Oh.

01:45:40.000 Does YouTube stay open or not?

01:45:41.520 I think.

01:45:42.160 I mean, that's the vector.

01:45:43.520 Candace Owens is like the most famous person in the world because of YouTube.

01:45:46.740 Yeah.

01:45:47.160 YouTube is the backbone of all of this stuff.

01:45:49.420 And if there is some, God hope it doesn't happen, but if there's some act of violence in the United States that can be used as a pretext in the same way that January 6th was used as a pretext to shut down all these people, they'll kick people off.

01:46:03.600 My fear is that people, there will be a crackdown on YouTube.

01:46:07.160 And at that point, you know, that's a big, that would be a true disaster for the country.

01:46:13.320 If they kick people off of YouTube?

01:46:14.400 I think.

01:46:14.940 Oh, I agree.

01:46:15.520 So if there's an act of violence, whether it's organic or not, because some of them are not organic, sorry, that's a fact, a proven fact.

01:46:21.840 But whatever the cause of it, if there's an act of violence against innocence and it's described as a hate crime, that it's not crazy to imagine.

01:46:32.100 And that could be used to tie people whose opinions are unpopular with certain groups.

01:46:38.800 Those people need to be off YouTube.

01:46:40.240 And all of a sudden there's an emergency meeting with Sundar Pashai at Google and it's like, I'm sorry, you cannot have purveyors of hate like Candace Owens and me or you.

01:46:48.160 You can't have them.

01:46:49.620 These people died because these podcasters said hateful things.

01:46:54.480 You have to take them off.

01:46:55.560 But we're not saying hateful things, are we?

01:46:57.420 Well, obviously, I'm totally opposed to hate.

01:46:59.180 I mean, that's like my whole life is against it.

01:47:02.460 When you hate, even in your heart, even silently, you make evil stronger.

01:47:05.960 That's a fact.

01:47:06.780 It's a physics principle, dude.

01:47:08.060 The only reason I bring up this stuff about Israel is because they're doing a genocide.

01:47:11.940 I couldn't agree more.

01:47:12.800 If I was in Nazi Germany and I saw bad things happening and I didn't raise my hand or if Nazi Germany was trying to buy a bakery next door to me and I didn't be like, hey, mustache guy is buying the bakery.

01:47:26.760 It's like, who would I be, right?

01:47:28.880 Like, I don't understand what you want me to do.

01:47:30.640 Get out of my face and I'll stop thinking about you.

01:47:33.900 You just can't train me to think one way and then show me a replica of it and not expect me to have the same sentiments toward it.

01:47:41.600 Like, that's what I understand.

01:47:42.940 And to call someone a bad guy because of that is crazy to me.

01:47:46.040 This article says, the government of Israel has hired a new conservative-aligned firm, Clocktower XLLC, to create media for general Gen Z audiences in a contract worth $6 million.

01:47:56.820 At least 80% of content Clocktower produces will be tailored to Gen Z audiences across platforms.

01:48:02.380 Clocktower?

01:48:02.940 Clocktower will integrate its pro-Israel messaging in the Salem Media Network properties, a conservative Christian media group that boasts a vast radio network and produces high-profile shows such as Hugh Hewitt Show, Larry Elder Show, and The Right View with Laura Trump.

01:48:21.900 Oh, look at that.

01:48:23.780 Former Trump manager Brad Parscale.

01:48:27.280 Oh, that is so disgusting.

01:48:29.960 That is so—Brad Parscale is doing that.

01:48:32.600 That is just—

01:48:33.020 I don't know him.

01:48:33.500 Is he a nice guy?

01:48:33.900 I know him.

01:48:35.420 He's a sad guy.

01:48:36.900 A very sad guy.

01:48:37.880 In its contract, Clocktower does not reveal much about what kinds of messaging will be promoted on behalf of Israel.

01:48:43.640 He took money for—wait, Brad Parscale took money from the Israeli government to do that?

01:48:47.040 I don't know.

01:48:47.680 Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, the advisor who hired the controversial micro-targeting firm Cambridge Analytic during Trump's 2016,

01:48:55.820 campaign is at the center of the Israeli government's New Deal.

01:48:59.500 So Brad Parscale, I don't think, is an evil person.

01:49:01.620 He's a weak man, for sure.

01:49:03.220 I mean, demonstrably.

01:49:04.680 But for an American citizen to take money from a foreign government to secretly propagandize on behalf of that government,

01:49:14.640 without saying it, is really—speaking of unpatriotic, I mean, that's—I hope that's not true.

01:49:21.940 Well, it just—it's like, at this point, it's—and I guess, I mean, Israel's certainly allowed to advertise wherever they want.

01:49:27.340 Anybody can do this sort of thing.

01:49:28.880 This isn't advertising.

01:49:30.040 This is—so advertising is not threatening because when—it's just straightforward.

01:49:33.560 You see a billboard for jeans, and it's like, buy my jeans.

01:49:36.700 Okay, it's your choice.

01:49:38.300 This is basically subliminal messaging.

01:49:41.740 This is an effort to subvert what you think is true by making it dishonest.

01:49:46.420 I'm paying you to lie on my behalf.

01:49:49.280 That's what this is.

01:49:50.500 And you don't disclose that you're taking money to do that.

01:49:52.840 And everything about this is dishonest and wrong.

01:49:56.280 And any American who would take money for that, you know, again, speaking of anti-American, really, who's the audience for this?

01:50:03.660 It's American citizens who think they're, like, tuning in for conservative analysis, and actually they're getting the point of view of a foreign government.

01:50:11.600 Like, how is that okay, Brad Parscale?

01:50:14.920 I don't know how we—I just don't understand.

01:50:16.960 I think, yeah, I think it's just—I don't know.

01:50:19.040 It's a tough time because you realize, oh, you thought all these things were in place that were keeping our country.

01:50:23.500 You thought our country was taking care of us.

01:50:25.440 But it's not the case.

01:50:27.880 Would you take money from a foreign—would you take—let's take Israel out of it.

01:50:30.280 Maybe you didn't.

01:50:30.800 Maybe it's—that's not true.

01:50:32.420 That's a naive old thought of mine.

01:50:33.860 It's like, yeah, you realize now that that's not the case, you know?

01:50:36.920 But I think it's like, where do we go from here?

01:50:39.720 Well, let me just—I mean, I don't want to be judgy because I've done all kinds of bad things.

01:50:43.620 You've been judgmental already.

01:50:44.760 I have been.

01:50:45.500 That's one of my weaknesses.

01:50:46.600 Self-righteousness is the trap, and I fall into it for sure.

01:50:49.500 But you have to—

01:50:50.500 But let me just ask you if—again, take Israel out of it because it's so emotional.

01:50:55.440 Any country.

01:50:56.440 Well, let's go with Qatar.

01:50:57.880 You said you like Qatar.

01:50:59.400 I really like Qatar.

01:51:00.600 A lot.

01:51:02.100 And I could defend Qatar.

01:51:03.940 But would you take money for—if Qatar's like, okay, we'll pay you $10 million or $6 million,

01:51:10.260 which I think is what Brad Parscale got, supposedly.

01:51:12.100 We want you to just subtly shift your message to be pro-Qatar.

01:51:17.200 Don't tell anybody you're taking this money, but just feed our line to your audience without telling them that you're doing it.

01:51:23.660 Would you accept that money?

01:51:25.000 No, I wouldn't do it.

01:51:25.940 Of course not.

01:51:26.700 Of course not.

01:51:27.260 Of course you would never do that.

01:51:28.620 No, I wouldn't do something.

01:51:30.200 I wouldn't let people pay to have a person on this podcast.

01:51:33.180 I wouldn't let somebody—I wouldn't do that.

01:51:37.120 Of course.

01:51:38.680 Do you feel like the people must be trying to—because the podcast is really big.

01:51:43.360 Yeah.

01:51:43.760 Sometimes they do.

01:51:44.520 Or somebody's like, hey, we—Qatar asked if we would do one from their country, right, during a UFC fight, right?

01:51:49.300 And I thought about that, and we're trying to figure that out.

01:51:51.360 But I didn't feel like it was the best kind of setting, sort of.

01:51:56.460 And now would I go back over there sometime and spend some time?

01:51:59.640 Sure, I would.

01:52:00.300 I had a great time.

01:52:01.060 Met some really neat guys.

01:52:02.260 Because a lot of the guys over there, they're in the throbes and stuff.

01:52:05.320 Thobe.

01:52:05.940 They're in the thobe.

01:52:06.520 Which are pretty awesome.

01:52:07.600 Dude, they're nice because you can have no underpants on.

01:52:10.020 I don't think any of them do.

01:52:11.740 I think they're like kilts.

01:52:12.920 I like that.

01:52:13.560 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:14.180 It's full freestyle country.

01:52:15.820 Oh, God.

01:52:16.660 Talking to somebody and just feeling your nuts bang against your legs while you're standing there?

01:52:20.480 But the person has no idea.

01:52:21.340 That's crazy, dude.

01:52:22.520 No, I totally agree.

01:52:23.580 Bro, that's like that guy, like the hunchback of Notre Dame kind of, you know?

01:52:27.880 Oh, did he go freestyle too?

01:52:28.980 No, but just him, I just imagine like a handicapped guy inside of my legs ringing my nuts with like a rope or whatever, you know?

01:52:34.940 Like a bell, you know?

01:52:37.100 Yeah, that would be so crazy, dude.

01:52:38.260 Really?

01:52:39.120 So you picture like a little gremlin under there.

01:52:41.860 Yeah, it'd just be fun.

01:52:42.920 Like pulling the dong cords.

01:52:44.160 Oh, dude, if your nuts had real bells inside of them, that shit would be sick, dude.

01:52:47.960 Imagine the pain, the force of that ringer hitting the sides of the cast iron is a lot.

01:52:53.540 I wouldn't want that anywhere near.

01:52:55.460 That's true.

01:52:56.200 I bet if your nuts weighed even two more ounces, it would strain you so much.

01:53:00.160 Dude, yes.

01:53:01.400 I bet your nuts have the perfect weight to them.

01:53:04.000 I think that's the whole theory of evolution, isn't it?

01:53:06.660 We evolved to have like perfectly weighted nuts.

01:53:09.320 And our ancestors who had, I don't know, disproportionately weighted nuts, they didn't reproduce.

01:53:14.560 So their genes died.

01:53:15.840 Average human testicles each weigh about 15 to 25 grams.

01:53:18.800 Wow.

01:53:20.140 That's a...

01:53:20.860 So how would you compare that?

01:53:22.880 It's just like about an eight ball.

01:53:25.040 That's a couple eight balls.

01:53:26.320 A couple eight balls.

01:53:27.200 How many grams are in an eight ball?

01:53:28.380 I think it's eight, right?

01:53:29.820 Seven and a half, I think.

01:53:31.060 Yeah.

01:53:31.780 Yeah, it depends on where you...

01:53:32.720 If you're getting it in Baltimore, it's probably six in there.

01:53:34.820 Yeah, I think that's right.

01:53:35.700 Those are the baby laxatives.

01:53:37.800 Oh, 3.5!

01:53:39.220 Oh, gosh, it's been too long.

01:53:40.600 See, that's how rehabbed you are, dude.

01:53:42.740 Thank God.

01:53:42.900 I love that.

01:53:43.900 Did you hear that?

01:53:44.560 Did you hear his genuine ignorance about narcotics?

01:53:47.740 Damn.

01:53:48.320 You are better.

01:53:48.980 I'm losing street cred, though, dude.

01:53:51.340 I can't even fucking...

01:53:52.840 Dude, I'm...

01:53:53.320 You forgot how to freebase at this point.

01:53:56.060 Is it baking soda or cleaning fluid?

01:53:58.800 I can't remember.

01:53:59.720 I've been selling really good eight balls, man.

01:54:01.820 Oh, dude.

01:54:04.340 What else was I going to ask you about?

01:54:06.020 Yeah, but it's just...

01:54:06.740 So somebody's like, what do you...

01:54:07.720 Why do you care about it?

01:54:08.460 Because I just think that it's like...

01:54:10.000 Yeah, you can't allow a country...

01:54:12.080 I don't know.

01:54:12.780 Well, I don't care.

01:54:13.840 I can't wait to stop.

01:54:14.780 I can't wait to stop it now.

01:54:15.660 I'm so beyond sick of talking about it.

01:54:17.620 Yeah, sorry.

01:54:18.080 I'm sorry that I brought it up.

01:54:19.220 No, no, not with you, but I actually called the Israeli government more than once, and

01:54:22.000 I was like, okay, I got it.

01:54:24.060 Just stop.

01:54:24.720 You're going to get me killed.

01:54:27.760 Just stop taking money from my country.

01:54:30.080 I won't even criticize your genocide, because there are lots of bad things going on in the

01:54:34.400 world.

01:54:34.560 That's true.

01:54:35.060 That is true.

01:54:35.500 They're not the only ones, okay?

01:54:36.740 That is absolutely right when they say that.

01:54:38.320 They're not the only country committing atrocities.

01:54:41.280 Oh, no.

01:54:41.840 Our own country's committed a lot of atrocities.

01:54:43.080 I agree.

01:54:43.680 I totally agree.

01:54:44.540 I think it's all coming out in the snow right now, but it's just crazy.

01:54:47.660 How about we just don't send any more money for those atrocities?

01:54:50.640 I don't think that's too much to ask.

01:54:52.020 If you would stop it, if you get out of the Oval Office, no more visits from your prime

01:54:56.720 minister.

01:54:57.060 This is insane.

01:54:58.100 There are so many countries in the world that actually matter.

01:55:00.940 Your country doesn't matter.

01:55:02.320 It's the size of Maryland.

01:55:03.240 You have no natural resources at all.

01:55:05.100 You are irrelevant, except to the extent we promised to defend you.

01:55:08.420 So how about you just go do your own thing?

01:55:10.260 We wish you well, and I will never think about you again.

01:55:13.940 Why do you think that doesn't happen?

01:55:16.060 Because they can't exist without us.

01:55:18.000 And so rather than just say that, we get these lectures like, oh, America can't exist without

01:55:23.460 Israel.

01:55:23.860 It's like, why are you even talking to me?

01:55:25.480 Like, first of all, at some point, I'm offended.

01:55:27.620 Stop lecturing me, actually.

01:55:29.540 I'm from here.

01:55:31.000 I'm not a perfect person, but I really care about this place because I have nowhere else

01:55:34.100 to go, and my ancestors are here.

01:55:35.680 And like, stop.

01:55:36.860 Stop, but they won't stop, and they're constantly calling you names because they're committing

01:55:41.920 bad behavior.

01:55:42.760 It's like, I spent 30 years not talking about this.

01:55:47.440 You think I didn't notice?

01:55:48.460 You think I didn't know what was up?

01:55:49.520 I'm from Washington.

01:55:50.420 I know what's up.

01:55:51.440 Yeah.

01:55:51.940 And I decide I don't want to talk about this because there are all kinds of other things

01:55:54.240 I want to talk about.

01:55:55.200 I don't want to fight with these people.

01:55:56.280 I'm not against Israel at all.

01:55:58.040 I like visiting there.

01:55:59.060 It's great.

01:56:00.240 I don't want to fight.

01:56:01.120 It was only when Trump gets elected in November, and by January, they're in the Oval Office,

01:56:08.440 foreign officials from Israel in the Oval Office demanding that we pay for a regime

01:56:13.240 change war against Iran.

01:56:14.480 And I'm like, come on now.

01:56:17.040 Come on now.

01:56:18.120 We just had this election.

01:56:19.060 I campaigned for Trump.

01:56:20.540 I was literally at Madison Square Garden.

01:56:22.260 And it was heartfelt, too.

01:56:23.380 I didn't do it.

01:56:23.940 No one paid me to do it.

01:56:24.820 I did it because I meant it.

01:56:26.040 And I love Trump personally.

01:56:27.160 I still love Trump personally.

01:56:28.000 But it was like, that whole election was about, we've had enough of this.

01:56:30.300 The Iraq war didn't work.

01:56:31.380 It didn't make us happier.

01:56:32.500 It really hurt everybody, including us, especially us.

01:56:35.580 I don't want it again.

01:56:36.960 Just back off.

01:56:38.060 They didn't wait.

01:56:38.980 He got inaugurated on the 20th of January.

01:56:42.040 I was there.

01:56:42.800 I was in the room.

01:56:44.680 And like days later, they're there demanding that we back them in a regime change war.

01:56:49.080 And I knew this because I've been around.

01:56:52.900 And I talked to all the people.

01:56:53.660 I'm like, I can't believe this is happening.

01:56:55.280 And then in June, we came really close to getting in like a full-blown war with Iran.

01:56:59.480 Yeah, I remember that.

01:57:00.120 We spent billions in this totally pointless exercise.

01:57:03.240 They're continuing to try and make us do this.

01:57:05.080 So it's, from my perspective, it's like, I'm not obsessed with Israel.

01:57:08.180 You just back off and I'll never mention you again.

01:57:10.660 I don't want to think about you at all because you're meaningless actually.

01:57:14.400 You're a tiny country that has no strategic value at all.

01:57:18.140 So just as long as you stop trying to control my government, I'll leave you alone.

01:57:21.720 Well, sometimes it starts to seem like it's a video game and they've always controlled everything.

01:57:25.100 And then we're just now realizing it's like, I've said this a couple times, but it's almost like if Super Mario almost looked at the screen one day and looked at you playing with him instead of just following your demands on the screen.

01:57:38.280 Like if one day he just like fucking sat down his fireballs and like looked over at you and was like, hey, what the fuck are we doing here?

01:57:45.300 You know, it's almost like that's where it's just like broke the fourth wall.

01:57:48.400 Yes, basically.

01:57:49.220 No, I mean, like if he's just like, ah, I'm so tired of fighting this dragon.

01:57:53.020 You know, it's like, look, let's just let Bowser live.

01:57:55.920 Let's just chill out.

01:57:56.860 You know, like if I just wonder if it became real.

01:58:00.320 Yes.

01:58:00.860 Yeah.

01:58:01.060 Well, that's the that's exactly the process.

01:58:03.380 That's where we are right now.

01:58:04.460 And I think that's what you're saying.

01:58:05.400 It's like, yeah, if you if you can just let go of like.

01:58:12.260 This.

01:58:13.840 That because it's sometimes it's anger that fuels that, you know, sometimes it's fear.

01:58:18.360 Some of it's like, yeah, a lot of it's fear, I think, uncertainty, safety.

01:58:24.360 But if you can get the anger out of it and just let it go and be like, I'm just going to do my best that I can.

01:58:29.980 But I'm going to be brave and speak up when I can, even if I'm wrong.

01:58:34.500 You know, that's the thing.

01:58:35.420 It's like I wish more people were speaking up sometimes, even if they're wrong.

01:58:39.220 I was kind of like, do you think that enough like pastors and preachers didn't speak up during the Gaza conflict?

01:58:47.240 That almost blew my mind.

01:58:49.360 Does that make sense to you?

01:58:50.940 Oh, it's the most heartbreaking part.

01:58:53.160 I mean, from my perspective, as an American Christian, Protestant American Christian, it's like, yeah, of course, I think what Israel is doing is disgusting.

01:59:00.400 I mean, it's indefensible.

01:59:01.560 But my real rage, like what I'm actually upset about, if you're at dinner at my house, I never rage about the Israelis or the Jews at my house.

01:59:10.740 I just don't feel it.

01:59:11.560 But my rage, my actual personal rage is directed toward my people.

01:59:18.640 It's Protestant Christian evangelical pastors who have made deals with the Israeli government or have theology so deranged that they think their Christian faith requires them to support the murder of children, including Christian children.

01:59:33.540 And I know some of them, and they believe that.

01:59:36.740 And that, to me, is very hard to forgive.

01:59:39.600 Like, I need to be a better person.

01:59:41.400 I need to keep them in my prayers because I really feel hostility toward those people because they are the betrayers.

01:59:46.340 Israel, in the end, is acting in its own interest or what it thinks is its own interest.

01:59:49.700 Those people, what's their excuse?

01:59:53.120 And they're going out there and giving sermons about Candace Owens on Sunday?

01:59:57.100 She's not in the New Testament.

01:59:58.840 Were they really doing that?

01:59:59.740 Big time.

02:00:00.840 And that is not—whatever you think of Candace Owens.

02:00:02.500 Like, I love Candace Owens, but maybe you hate Candace Owens.

02:00:04.880 We can all agree that your opinion on Candace Owens has no bearing on the future of your soul.

02:00:11.400 Okay?

02:00:11.660 That's not Christianity.

02:00:12.540 It's nothing with Candace Owens.

02:00:13.300 So, like, if you are giving sermons against Candace Owens, then you are betraying your people, okay?

02:00:20.560 And because you're misrepresenting your faith, Christianity, and those people.

02:00:26.180 I clearly need to calm down about them because they're truly the villains in the story.

02:00:32.960 That's my opinion.

02:00:34.440 Of course, because you're always mad at the people you know best and, like, Israel, whatever.

02:00:37.900 Go do your crazy Israeli things.

02:00:39.200 But American evangelical leaders defending Netanyahu?

02:00:45.000 And you know how many Christians have been killed in this?

02:00:47.520 That Israel has murdered?

02:00:48.980 What do Christians have to do with it?

02:00:50.500 Are you telling me they're Islamists too now?

02:00:52.320 Is that true?

02:00:52.620 Oh, it's totally true.

02:00:53.780 And one of the reasons they hate me is because I keep pointing it out.

02:00:56.200 How do you know that's true, Tucker?

02:00:57.920 Because they've blown up two churches in Gaza and killed people in the churches?

02:01:02.520 What do the churches have to do with this?

02:01:04.360 Because you're telling me that this is some existential battle between Islam and civilization.

02:01:10.420 That's not true, by the way.

02:01:11.660 But let's say it was true.

02:01:12.740 Then why are you blowing up churches?

02:01:14.440 Oh, it was an accident.

02:01:15.420 Oh, really?

02:01:16.280 You have the technology to put bombs in people's pagers, but you accidentally blew up two churches?

02:01:21.480 It was not an accident.

02:01:22.120 They did it on purpose.

02:01:23.100 They've killed a lot of Christians on purpose.

02:01:25.240 And I'm probably the only person in American media to point that out because I'm a Christian.

02:01:28.960 So I get to say that if I want.

02:01:30.640 Shut up, Nazi!

02:01:32.000 Okay.

02:01:32.520 Why aren't there more?

02:01:33.440 Where are the Christian leaders in this?

02:01:35.080 Yeah.

02:01:36.120 So now you've pissed me off.

02:01:37.520 I'm sorry, man.

02:01:38.380 I didn't know.

02:01:38.960 Whenever we're talking about anti-Semitism or the Nazis or Israel or whatever, it's so fake to me that I don't get upset.

02:01:46.460 This is real to me.

02:01:48.020 Oh, the Church of St. Porphyrios.

02:01:50.860 St. Porphyrios.

02:01:51.440 Yeah, it's a famous church.

02:01:52.280 The Greek Orthodox Church, one of the oldest in the world, was hit by an Israeli airstrike on October 19, 2023.

02:01:57.380 The strike collapsed.

02:02:00.500 An adjacent church-affiliated building where around 400 to 500 people displaced were sheltering, killing 18 people.

02:02:05.080 The Holy Family Church is the only Catholic church in Gaza.

02:02:07.540 Strip this church has been a central shelter for Gaza's Christian community.

02:02:10.860 In December 2023, two women were reportedly killed by a sniper while leaving the church.

02:02:14.940 In July 2025, the church was struck by an Israeli tank-fire killing, injuring 10, including the Paris priest's father, Gabriel Romanelli.

02:02:25.380 Well, why hasn't the Pope spoken up about it either, I wonder?

02:02:28.280 Has he spoken about it?

02:02:29.340 What did the Pope say about it?

02:02:30.520 I don't keep track.

02:02:31.580 I'm not Catholic.

02:02:32.360 But I was going to church here in town, and I was just shocked that people weren't speaking about it.

02:02:36.400 And that's moments where you start to feel like, am I crazy?

02:02:39.180 No, no, in the evangelical world, and not all of this, this is a very broad brush.

02:02:43.220 I know a million, I had dinner next to one last night.

02:02:45.160 He was just a wonderful person.

02:02:46.600 And there are lots of tons, tons of great evangelicals.

02:02:48.800 But their leadership in general has not only refused to condemn it, they've defended it.

02:02:54.740 And at that point, it's like, this is the great deception you read about in the New Testament.

02:02:58.360 If this isn't a great deception, Jesus' message is not to kill children, okay?

02:03:03.360 And if you're telling me that it is, I don't need a theology degree to say you are a false prophet,

02:03:08.380 and you're going to have to pay for what—I mean, you are, like, taking your soul into your own hands when you say shit like that.

02:03:13.800 That is so the opposite of the message.

02:03:16.780 This is not a religion of conquest and violence.

02:03:19.000 It's the opposite, period.

02:03:21.360 How can you read it and tell me otherwise?

02:03:23.560 But why—

02:03:24.060 Oh, well, in Esther it says—

02:03:25.380 Okay.

02:03:26.060 But why are they doing that, do they—

02:03:28.600 But because this Israel is not the Israel from the Bible, right?

02:03:31.620 This is a—

02:03:32.900 I've tried to have this conversation, and if it is, tell me how.

02:03:37.700 Yeah, it doesn't feel like it.

02:03:38.300 Like, what are you even talking about?

02:03:39.800 And I'm not a theologian.

02:03:41.120 I'm a freaking Episcopalian.

02:03:42.500 Like, I admit I know nothing, but I do read the Bible every day, so I just don't see what you're talking about.

02:03:46.820 So you tell me what you're talking about.

02:03:48.540 This is the Israel we read about.

02:03:50.200 This is the inheritance of Abraham.

02:03:52.680 No way.

02:03:53.220 How?

02:03:53.860 How?

02:03:54.300 No way.

02:03:54.700 Is it genetically the same?

02:03:56.420 Is it—are the people who live there now related to the people we read about in the Old Testament?

02:04:01.020 If they are, we have DNA tests.

02:04:02.400 Tell me how that works.

02:04:03.160 Oh, those are banned.

02:04:03.880 Okay.

02:04:04.440 So then you're telling me it's the same religion?

02:04:06.720 How is it the same religion?

02:04:07.960 Yeah.

02:04:08.080 There's no temple.

02:04:08.740 Like, what are you even talking about?

02:04:10.220 By the way, maybe there's a good answer that I just don't know—I don't understand.

02:04:13.180 But they literally never even try to answer the question.

02:04:16.760 It's shut up, Nazi, including from Christian ministers calling me a Nazi because I asked—oh, big time.

02:04:22.780 And again, not to make it about me, but I just want to be honest about it, that upsets me.

02:04:29.360 Whereas, you know, Netanyahu also called me a Nazi.

02:04:31.520 It's like, you're just some dumb politician.

02:04:33.540 He called you a Nazi directly?

02:04:34.540 Absolutely.

02:04:35.340 That's crazy.

02:04:36.420 Of course.

02:04:37.100 Yeah, my tax dollars are paying his salary.

02:04:38.820 Why is he watching podcasts?

02:04:40.020 Oh, he's—oh, he's—yeah, I can't even tell you.

02:04:44.020 But yes, of course.

02:04:45.620 But it's to Christian pastors.

02:04:47.660 When you ask a simple question, you're telling me we have a duty to support, quote, Israel

02:04:52.420 because a verse in Genesis tells you that.

02:04:56.080 Okay, fine.

02:04:56.580 That's totally fine.

02:04:57.540 What does that mean?

02:04:58.560 What is the Israel you're talking about?

02:05:00.620 Shut up, Nazi.

02:05:02.240 It's like, you're a Christian pastor, and I'm a Christian—I'm a faithful, imperfect Christian.

02:05:07.080 What pastors were saying that?

02:05:07.500 Are there specific pastors?

02:05:09.560 Dr. Mike Evans, Heritage Center?

02:05:13.260 No, no.

02:05:13.920 Listen, right now we have a movement within the MAGA movement that is anti-Israel.

02:05:16.740 It's serious because it's led by Tucker Carlson, who was very close to vice president.

02:05:19.960 It's coming out and saying worse things presently the Nazi party said.

02:05:25.160 I'm saying worse things that the Nazi party said?

02:05:28.080 I'm totally anti-Nazi.

02:05:29.700 I'm totally anti-hate.

02:05:30.580 And above all, I'm anti-blood guilt and collective punishment, which is what was bad about the Nazis.

02:05:35.160 Let's remember.

02:05:36.160 And this guy is a Christian minister, or supposedly, or something.

02:05:40.860 So it's this kind of thing that actually does get under my skin.

02:05:43.500 That's my problem.

02:05:44.480 I should just shrug it off, but I have a lot of trouble shrugging it off because it's such a distortion of my religious faith that I have trouble letting it go.

02:05:52.300 I'm just being honest.

02:05:53.640 Well, I think it's brave to be able to speak up.

02:05:55.600 Sometimes if you're right or wrong, it's brave to try.

02:05:58.760 It's our obligation to try.

02:06:00.040 I was quiet for 30 years.

02:06:01.400 I shouldn't have been.

02:06:02.620 I shouldn't have been.

02:06:03.080 I didn't want to fight, but I shouldn't have been.

02:06:04.540 And people say, well, you get information wrong.

02:06:06.200 It's like, but if information is given out that's wrong, then how do you expect someone to know accurate information?

02:06:11.820 Dude, I'm telling you, it's really simple because this is the business I've always been in.

02:06:15.220 I ask questions.

02:06:15.820 Hold on.

02:06:16.120 You have stuff right here in your mouth.

02:06:16.940 I have nicotine.

02:06:17.900 And I wanted to say how good it is.

02:06:19.420 It's an opportunity.

02:06:20.180 It's a form of advertisement.

02:06:21.120 Like I, I let it hang out on my, my wife's down here to lick her thumb, which she does, which is kind of hot.

02:06:25.860 But you say you've got stuff on your face.

02:06:28.080 Then I get to pause and say, it's not just stuff, Theo Vaughn.

02:06:31.180 It's nicotine.

02:06:31.800 It's Alp, the pouch for your mouth.

02:06:33.980 Yeah.

02:06:34.300 You got a little mogul right there.

02:06:35.480 Yeah.

02:06:35.600 But you don't see it back there.

02:06:37.400 Yeah.

02:06:37.760 Like if I was using Zin, you'd be like, wait, your lower back is covered with this weird white shit.

02:06:42.140 Why is that?

02:06:43.400 I don't know.

02:06:43.960 I've definitely done some things, but I'll say this.

02:06:46.220 Pope Leo XIV has reiterated the Vatican's insistence on a two-state resolution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,

02:06:52.940 saying it's the only solution that can guarantee justice for both sides.

02:06:56.240 Leo made the comments as he flew from Turkey to Lebanon.

02:07:01.940 May I ask, there's been a change in the spelling of Turkey.

02:07:04.920 It went from Turkey to Turkya.

02:07:06.900 Turkya.

02:07:07.560 This is like the Kiev-Kiv change, and no one notified me.

02:07:12.080 They probably bought letters.

02:07:13.220 There might have been a letter deal or something.

02:07:14.920 Let me see.

02:07:15.400 Turkya.

02:07:16.340 Turkya.

02:07:17.460 Maybe they're trying.

02:07:18.220 Who knows, man?

02:07:19.880 Turkya.

02:07:20.680 I was just in Turkya, and they were calling it Turkey.

02:07:23.920 And do you feel like it's hard for a lot of Jewish people to speak up about this because

02:07:27.260 they're afraid of alienating other Jewish friends?

02:07:30.500 And that's what I found with some of my Jewish friends.

02:07:33.540 They'll talk with me about it and stuff like that, and my Jewish friends are fine if I have

02:07:40.720 different views on Israel, right?

02:07:42.040 It doesn't mean I have different views about them, but if I don't like what a government's

02:07:46.040 doing, including our own government, then that's okay, right?

02:07:49.720 One of my Jewish friends, former Jewish employee, actually called me this morning.

02:07:54.040 I talked to him for like an hour and a half about other stuff, not about Israel.

02:07:56.180 But in the course of the conversation, he told me that he had said something to one of

02:08:00.860 his co-workers about Netanyahu.

02:08:03.020 He didn't like Netanyahu.

02:08:04.420 Whatever.

02:08:04.800 That's literally, he's Jewish.

02:08:06.720 I don't like Netanyahu.

02:08:07.920 And that co-worker went to his boss and called him an anti-Semite.

02:08:12.600 What?

02:08:13.440 That's crazy.

02:08:14.760 I think there's that.

02:08:15.820 I also think there's something else going on, which is sad, which is I think a lot of

02:08:19.920 what I'm seeing happen to Jewish people, including friends of mine, people I know, is there's

02:08:26.300 so much yelling about the Nazis and the Holocaust, the people are getting really freaked out.

02:08:31.860 And I've had people I have known for decades and love call me like, are you a Nazi?

02:08:37.660 Dude, it's me.

02:08:38.780 No, I'm totally anti-Nazi.

02:08:40.640 What are you even talking about?

02:08:41.620 Why?

02:08:41.900 Everyone says you're a Nazi.

02:08:43.160 This happened to me at dinner recently.

02:08:45.200 I won't even tell you.

02:08:45.960 I was a well-known person.

02:08:47.020 If you were a Nazi, you would have a tank or something.

02:08:48.840 No, but also like-

02:08:49.960 You would not be in loafers.

02:08:51.180 Post-

02:08:51.960 Well, I might be wearing my Turkish grounding shoes.

02:08:54.320 Your Turkey-ish?

02:08:55.300 And by the way, they leave a little green spot on the bottom of your foot, which I kind

02:09:00.120 of like.

02:09:00.220 I like that, huh?

02:09:00.580 That means you're winning.

02:09:01.480 That means you're grounded to the earth.

02:09:03.260 But no, I think it's making people really paranoid and afraid.

02:09:06.820 And I think that that's on purpose.

02:09:09.000 And terrified people are really easy to control.

02:09:11.140 That's what happened to us after 9-11.

02:09:12.640 The Muslims are coming.

02:09:14.280 19 Arabs with box cutters.

02:09:16.540 I know.

02:09:17.880 I'm going to say that.

02:09:18.600 I said to one of my kids last night at dinner, I was like, I'm making a pledge to you as

02:09:21.780 your father that I'm going to use the phrase Arabs with box cutters every single day.

02:09:26.900 And I'm going to laugh every time I say it because it amuses the shit out of me.

02:09:31.240 Hell yeah.

02:09:31.640 Like, you're in a conversation.

02:09:32.720 Someone's going to be like, Arabs with box cutters.

02:09:37.640 It's so fucking funny.

02:09:38.800 Anyway, all of us believe the Arabs with box cutters thing for all those years.

02:09:42.320 And it made us so freaked out and afraid and threatened that we went along with all the stuff that was really bad for us and the world.

02:09:49.000 And I think that a similar op actually is underway in the United States with Jewish people.

02:09:55.020 And it's like, you're about to get killed.

02:09:57.700 It's like, no.

02:09:59.280 I mean, maybe I think there are anti-Semites in America for sure.

02:10:01.720 And there are crazy people for sure.

02:10:03.440 There are always threats.

02:10:04.360 But in general, I've never met anyone who, like, hates all Jews or what.

02:10:08.500 That's all fake.

02:10:09.620 But it's scaring the shit out of people.

02:10:12.020 Like, it's real.

02:10:13.320 Again, I have friends, good friends, who are like, I can't believe you're a Nazi now.

02:10:17.600 You know.

02:10:19.040 That's crazy, dude.

02:10:19.960 I know it's sad, actually.

02:10:21.180 It's awful.

02:10:22.460 Well, I think anytime you find somebody, and I've thought this in my own world, it's like,

02:10:26.400 if you start thinking like, oh, this race or this ethnicity or this group should be the one,

02:10:32.380 then that is a trap.

02:10:34.400 That is a dangerous, that is an evil thought or feeling.

02:10:37.200 Right there.

02:10:37.740 That is the truth.

02:10:38.700 It's an evil thought or feeling.

02:10:39.400 Exactly.

02:10:39.580 Because it's just, it's not possible.

02:10:41.600 It's not real.

02:10:42.580 So you have to recognize that that kind of thought is just a trap.

02:10:45.840 That it's very, that that's just a scary trap.

02:10:47.820 I completely agree.

02:10:48.620 And that is the trap they're luring you into.

02:10:51.460 When they call you names, they are trying to make you into the hater they claim you are.

02:10:55.900 And once you become that, you're destroyed.

02:10:58.460 Yeah.

02:10:58.640 And obsessing over like other races being bad, like that's how you become a fucking crazy person.

02:11:04.960 Well, that's the kind of stuff that the news has done over the years.

02:11:06.880 So when you start to think about all the infighting that the news has created over the years

02:11:10.500 and let us down all these rabbit holes, it's like, fuck, what the fuck were we doing?

02:11:15.320 The whole point was to make you hate each other.

02:11:17.180 Yeah.

02:11:17.320 It was divide and conquer 100%.

02:11:18.920 Arabs with box cutters.

02:11:20.000 Can I just say it?

02:11:21.320 Blacks versus drones, dude.

02:11:22.620 Arabs with box cutters.

02:11:23.920 Okay.

02:11:24.720 All right.

02:11:25.820 Arabs with box cutters.

02:11:26.840 It was okay.

02:11:27.920 Is there a – I know.

02:11:30.600 When you think about that –

02:11:31.260 It's hilarious when you say it.

02:11:32.700 Of course.

02:11:32.900 I spent like 20 years being like, the threat is –

02:11:35.760 Theo, the threat is Arabs with box cutters.

02:11:38.000 They could be anywhere.

02:11:39.420 It's like, shut up.

02:11:41.980 I don't know.

02:11:44.120 It's pretty masterful like how things have gone on.

02:11:47.240 But it's just – it's pretty wild.

02:11:51.540 You will punch through.

02:11:53.140 I can tell that you're like in a stage that I was literally last week.

02:11:58.300 And then you get through it and you're like, it's okay.

02:12:00.860 It's totally okay.

02:12:01.860 I was an idiot for believing that stuff in the first place.

02:12:03.860 It's my fault actually.

02:12:05.240 If I fell for like – read his Jeffrey Epstein's emails and you will realize like if I fell for the idea

02:12:11.740 that he was like a diabolical mastermind and not just some thug from Staten Island or Coney Island.

02:12:17.800 That was on me.

02:12:18.960 Then you break through and you're like, of course it's fake.

02:12:20.980 It was never real.

02:12:22.460 You really think that with the world at stake, three zip codes in Pennsylvania are choosing the president?

02:12:27.340 Okay.

02:12:27.800 Yeah.

02:12:28.060 All right now.

02:12:29.600 So no, of course it's fake.

02:12:32.000 Shame on me for believing it.

02:12:33.300 But now like all the things that are real, God, people you love, the truth.

02:12:37.960 It's like there's so much to be happy about actually.

02:12:40.120 You don't have – they want you to be totally freaked out.

02:12:43.700 They are the ones who wrote this horror movie.

02:12:46.340 Right.

02:12:47.240 Like bang, what was that noise?

02:12:48.440 Holy shit.

02:12:49.020 Is there something under the bed?

02:12:50.120 Yeah.

02:12:50.520 And you look under the bed and you realize, yeah, it's actually there are tons of monsters under the bed.

02:12:54.020 But they're kind of like lame monsters.

02:12:55.820 They're like Jeffrey Epstein monsters.

02:12:57.380 They're like not that scary really.

02:12:59.020 I'm not afraid of you, bitch.

02:13:00.460 And then the second you say that, you're like, oh, I'm not afraid of anything actually.

02:13:04.140 Like look under the bed.

02:13:05.640 Yes, there are monsters.

02:13:06.860 No, they probably can't kill you unless you bitch out and let them.

02:13:09.680 Yeah.

02:13:11.440 Do you – what do you feel like about – is going on with Candace right now?

02:13:15.720 Do you feel like the issues with the French are realistic?

02:13:19.260 When she went down that wiener thing, I was like, who cares if that lady has a wiener or whatever?

02:13:26.180 Oh, oh.

02:13:26.660 With Miss McCrone or whatever?

02:13:27.700 Yeah, the presidentess.

02:13:29.300 Who cares if somebody has a dang wiener or whatever, if some lady has a wiener?

02:13:32.480 It would be shocking if you didn't know it and you found it by accident.

02:13:35.540 I do think that.

02:13:36.340 Oh, yeah.

02:13:37.160 If you were looking for something in your purse and then a damn wiener was in there or something.

02:13:39.540 No, but I mean if you were like, I don't know, in a cab or something and reached over and you found what you didn't expect.

02:13:45.300 You know, like in Bangkok or something.

02:13:46.820 If I'm her, I show that thing off every now and then.

02:13:48.880 I pop that bitch out at a party.

02:13:51.380 You know what I'm telling you?

02:13:52.160 Yeah, I would do that ring game where you kind of like, I'd have that ring game and just hang it from my chin and then have people try to hook it on there, you know?

02:13:58.900 You need your roommate with a Viagra supply.

02:14:00.780 Oh, dude.

02:14:01.780 Would you know my name?

02:14:04.700 Dude, they'd make me play it like three or four times, dude.

02:14:07.380 Dude, if I was in bed with my wife and you showed up in the dark with an acoustic guitar playing Eric Clapton, that would scare.

02:14:13.860 First of all, I would, and I'm not violent, but I'd fucking blow you away because I have a sidearm in my bedside.

02:14:18.900 I would.

02:14:19.640 All of a sudden, you're in bed with your girl and someone's singing.

02:14:24.600 Eric Clapton on an acoustic guitar.

02:14:26.400 It's like a fucking nightmare.

02:14:28.860 You're like the incubus.

02:14:29.940 I'd be like, stop right there.

02:14:31.900 And you'd be like.

02:14:35.540 If I saw you in your arm.

02:14:38.580 Well, the crazy thing, it's the saddest song.

02:14:40.460 I don't even know what the song was about.

02:14:41.760 I just learned it.

02:14:42.480 And then in hindsight, when I realized I'm in there just playing for a bunch of geeked up seniors who are hopped up on wiener uppers, and I was over there fucking playing a sad song.

02:14:54.140 I just thought.

02:14:55.000 Isn't it about his son dying?

02:14:57.520 Yeah.

02:14:58.260 It's a beautiful song.

02:14:58.880 But yes, it is.

02:14:59.800 And it's very sad.

02:15:00.840 It's heartbreaking.

02:15:01.680 I don't know what I was doing.

02:15:02.580 It's not a sexy song, though.

02:15:03.840 And I wonder how that mixes with Viagra.

02:15:06.020 I don't see them.

02:15:07.020 Like, of all the Viagra songs, like Paradise by the Dashboard Lights or something, you know.

02:15:11.740 Yeah.

02:15:12.000 Well, I only knew three songs.

02:15:13.780 You shook me all night long.

02:15:15.240 Didn't have it.

02:15:15.880 But Tears in Heaven?

02:15:17.360 I mean, that's a boner killer.

02:15:18.960 No?

02:15:19.400 Dude, I thought so.

02:15:20.600 That's like a dirge.

02:15:21.600 They'd been drinking orange juice and vodkas, dude.

02:15:24.420 The best thing I could do was that.

02:15:26.240 And then I had that, uh, well, Billy Ray was a preacher, son.

02:15:29.820 And that was a little.

02:15:30.660 Dusty Springfield, ladies and gentlemen.

02:15:32.460 That's kind of a hot song in a way.

02:15:34.060 That was a little too.

02:15:35.000 Do you know that she was a British lesbian?

02:15:36.880 Dusty Springfield?

02:15:37.580 Yes.

02:15:38.060 When you hear that, she's like, she's a black woman.

02:15:40.080 Wait, I thought it was a.

02:15:41.760 No, no.

02:15:42.140 She was a little white girl, lesbian.

02:15:43.880 That was her only hit, I think, ever.

02:15:46.520 That's Dusty Springfield.

02:15:47.680 And she died young.

02:15:49.320 She died at.

02:15:50.160 Who remade the song?

02:15:51.300 At 60.

02:15:52.280 No, that's the original.

02:15:53.260 It's hers.

02:15:53.840 Oh, it is.

02:15:54.540 I think people have covered it.

02:15:55.800 But the one that you know.

02:16:00.160 I thought, uh, what's her name redid it?

02:16:02.300 I'm sure many have covered it.

02:16:03.920 But, like, the one that you hear still is hers.

02:16:08.500 It's hers.

02:16:08.920 Wow.

02:16:09.660 Yeah, Aretha.

02:16:10.340 I guess Aretha did.

02:16:11.160 Oh, Jah.

02:16:12.040 Jah.

02:16:13.020 Jah Stone.

02:16:13.920 It's a testament to the durability of her version that that's still the one.

02:16:17.480 Amen.

02:16:19.420 Amen.

02:16:19.980 Written the year I was born, I think.

02:16:24.920 Yeah, I just wonder, like, is there.

02:16:27.380 You got me spun up with the preacher stuff.

02:16:29.600 Did I really?

02:16:30.280 You did.

02:16:30.720 Well, who said stuff?

02:16:31.640 I'm trying to be a better person.

02:16:32.240 What about Judas Smith?

02:16:32.800 He's a pastor that I know.

02:16:33.940 Did he speak up about it?

02:16:34.960 Do you know him?

02:16:35.780 Is he here?

02:16:37.260 Is he a good guy?

02:16:38.180 Oh, yeah.

02:16:38.580 Judas is awesome.

02:16:39.740 He's a great pastor.

02:16:40.740 I just, uh, I just wonder if some of, like, the bigger, like, pastors spoke up about it or not.

02:16:46.800 I don't know.

02:16:47.560 And then that's when you start to think, well, am I wrong for, you know, what am I feeling?

02:16:50.820 What's going on?

02:16:51.340 There's no public record of Judas Smith, the pastor and author, speaking publicly about the conflict in Gaza.

02:16:55.440 However, there's a different Judas Smith, a medical student, who spoke about the impact of mystical strike on Soroka Medical Center in Israel, which may be a good source of confusion.

02:17:03.940 No public statements on the Gaza conflict from the pastor and lead at church home.

02:17:08.280 Um, but, yeah, I mean, people have their different views, you know, and those are, like, I think it's just stuff I'm curious about.

02:17:14.860 And I don't know, like, enough about the Bible sometimes.

02:17:17.440 I think we have to say that Jesus is against killing innocents.

02:17:20.700 I just think we have to say that because what's, I mean, if we can't say that, then what can we say?

02:17:24.780 Yeah.

02:17:24.900 This is not a religion of violence.

02:17:26.260 It's just not.

02:17:27.660 Do, um, what do you feel like about Candace's assassination attempt?

02:17:32.080 Do you find there was a reality in that?

02:17:34.300 I think that, um, I don't, I don't understand it.

02:17:38.740 I love, I just want to say again, I love Candace.

02:17:40.540 She's coming tonight.

02:17:41.800 And, uh, her kids are the best.

02:17:43.240 I've known her a long time.

02:17:44.520 Yeah.

02:17:44.880 I go over there to just, like, see her kids.

02:17:46.540 Sometimes I know that's kind of weird or whatever.

02:17:48.160 It's not weird.

02:17:48.440 But it's not weird.

02:17:48.980 I don't have any children or wife or anything.

02:17:51.000 So I go over there and, uh, yeah, her kids are, like, as full of life as could be.

02:17:57.360 And they're all mixed kids.

02:17:58.860 And that's awesome.

02:18:00.100 And then, like.

02:18:01.600 Pretty kids.

02:18:02.300 Oh, dude.

02:18:02.920 She has beautiful kids.

02:18:04.460 And her and Georgia just funny, man.

02:18:06.000 I totally agree.

02:18:07.360 And I, and, but, so I would say of the, of the assassination, I, you know, first of all, I knew him well.

02:18:13.200 He was right at my house right before he was killed.

02:18:15.060 So I feel emotional about it still.

02:18:17.560 Who was?

02:18:17.860 Charlie Kirk?

02:18:18.520 Yep.

02:18:18.940 Oh, really?

02:18:19.460 Oh, yeah.

02:18:20.000 And, uh, and I love his wife and know his wife well.

02:18:23.860 And so I feel emotional about it.

02:18:25.460 So, you know, I just haven't wanted anything to do with it.

02:18:27.880 But I will say a couple of things.

02:18:30.040 I don't understand the official story at all.

02:18:34.440 Uh, of his assassination.

02:18:35.980 I don't, I don't, I don't understand it.

02:18:38.180 And I want to make sure that there is a, like a truly rigorous and honest federal investigation of it.

02:18:45.200 And I'm definitely concerned about that.

02:18:46.960 A.

02:18:47.140 I think that, um, one of the, I don't know many of the details, but I know that, uh, recently, Candace said that, uh, Egyptian registered aircraft were following, uh, Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow around for a number of years in different places in the world.

02:19:07.180 That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard.

02:19:09.560 And I just want to say that that is factually true.

02:19:12.880 That's true.

02:19:13.820 So that's like the one data point that I happen to know is true.

02:19:16.560 What does that mean?

02:19:17.480 I have literally no idea.

02:19:18.740 I can't even guess.

02:19:19.540 But that's very, very strange.

02:19:22.160 And what does Egyptian, as it could mean aircrafts from Egypt, who knows?

02:19:25.640 I think that they were registered in Egypt.

02:19:27.980 Got it.

02:19:28.280 And, um, so, but that, that fact is true.

02:19:30.960 So I, that enough, um, and, and it also her claim that, you know, there were kind of a disproportionately large number of foreign registered cell phones at the event.

02:19:41.940 And, um, that's also true.

02:19:43.580 So what does that add up to?

02:19:45.580 I don't know, but it, it means that, you know, the FBI has a moral and legal obligation to, to look in every direction and to be open-minded as you would in any investigation, in journalism, in science.

02:20:00.440 It's all the same process.

02:20:01.720 I don't know the answer and I'm going to sift through everything as open-mindedly as I can, as honestly as I can to get to what the truth is.

02:20:08.920 That's, that's, again, that's science, that's law enforcement, that's journalism.

02:20:12.360 It's all the same.

02:20:13.160 That's justice.

02:20:14.580 And I just want to make sure that is happening.

02:20:17.660 And I just don't have a ton of confidence in the FBI or the men who run it.

02:20:22.880 And I'm not saying that out of ignorance at all.

02:20:26.000 That's a scary part too.

02:20:27.340 I'm not alleging anything.

02:20:28.220 I'm just saying, I think it's really important that we have that.

02:20:31.600 Yeah.

02:20:32.020 And also, I have no, I mean, I never wanted to think of this.

02:20:34.840 This dumb Twitter shit, like leaders of the FBI are on Twitter.

02:20:37.480 Like what?

02:20:38.920 Oh, the one, do you see the video that Tim Dillon did about the, um.

02:20:42.700 No.

02:20:43.560 Because it makes me too mad.

02:20:44.800 But no, I agree.

02:20:45.800 It's like, and also here's the weird thing.

02:20:48.620 I never wanted to think about any of this shit.

02:20:50.320 I never wanted to think that our FBI didn't care about us or that our CIA was compromised or that we couldn't, like, you can't even call the police department without thinking that it goes directly to some other foreign lobby.

02:21:00.420 Right?

02:21:00.740 Like, so like, and like, I never, like, so it's weird that if people point fingers, you're like, I never, I just wanted to be, I just wanted to try my best and fucking be alive.

02:21:10.980 Like, I, you know what I'm saying?

02:21:12.180 Like, you're not like a weirdo just because your brain is trying to figure things out.

02:21:17.500 That's a brain's job is to try to figure things out.

02:21:19.480 It's to try to make organization of things.

02:21:21.100 Right?

02:21:21.380 Um, so it's just so crazy that people who are trying to figure things out are getting ostracized, you know, whether they're right or wrong or something, at least they're trying to have some semblance of, like, curiosity, which is really just kind of reframe.

02:21:35.420 If the official story describing the murder of your friend doesn't make sense and you find yourself yelling at a podcaster for coming up with other theories, you're, you're barking in the wrong direction.

02:21:50.060 Listen, your anger should be focused on the people whose job it is legally, constitutionally to get to the answer.

02:21:59.060 And there's very little pressure on them, I notice.

02:22:01.440 Yeah.

02:22:01.520 And a great deal of pressure on Candace Owens.

02:22:03.180 And I've, by the way, I've said this to a bunch of people, you know, off the record, you know, people I'm just talking to.

02:22:08.400 It's like, you know, what Candace is saying is, is clearly causing a lot of turmoil.

02:22:12.900 Is it true or not?

02:22:13.880 I can't assess it.

02:22:14.860 I'm not the FBI.

02:22:15.760 I'm a freaking podcaster, but I do know how the system works.

02:22:18.260 And it's really simple.

02:22:19.100 The FBI has this case and of course the state of Utah.

02:22:24.440 It's their job to not only find out what happened, present it to the public in a way that restores some confidence that you can like have justice in this country.

02:22:33.780 We have functioning law enforcement.

02:22:35.220 I don't have confidence in that because there's a lot of evidence that we don't have that.

02:22:38.380 So restore confidence by being honest and telling a story that makes sense.

02:22:41.940 So why, if they don't do that and they haven't done that, they have not done that, how can you be mad at Candace Owens or anyone else for filling a vacuum that they left?

02:22:54.440 Yeah.

02:22:55.300 Well, Candace is bad.

02:22:56.640 But, okay, no, the people with the authority are the ones responsible and they're the ones who should be held responsible when there's a failure.

02:23:04.500 Not some podcaster, not me, not you, not Candace.

02:23:07.600 The people whose job it is.

02:23:10.140 Talk about, and it's always that.

02:23:11.680 It's always like, you know, you say, well, I don't know why Israel's committing genocide.

02:23:17.920 And God's like, shut up, Theovan.

02:23:19.060 It's like, shouldn't you be mad at Israel for committing the genocide?

02:23:21.640 No.

02:23:21.700 Yeah, or shouldn't, why am I the one even asking about it, dude?

02:23:25.000 I'm just a curious fucktard, dude.

02:23:26.880 You know what I'm saying?

02:23:27.620 I'm trying my best, but fuck, dude.

02:23:29.580 I couldn't agree more.

02:23:30.380 You know, I'm a guy who lived with a 66-year-old man to fucking chirp boner pills off of him, dude.

02:23:37.260 With respect, like a lot of these criminal investigations, your story doesn't make sense.

02:23:42.300 I, dude, his name was Wally.

02:23:44.600 He played tennis.

02:23:45.220 He was a 4.0 at tennis.

02:23:46.460 Right.

02:23:46.620 That makes him sound kind of wholesome and normal.

02:23:48.640 He was my buddy's dad.

02:23:49.460 He said, you live with him so you can get free boner pills.

02:23:53.000 Then he invites you into his bedroom in the dark with his girl to play Eric Clapton songs on an acoustic guitar.

02:23:59.080 And you don't think there's anything kind of freaky about that at all?

02:24:02.160 I think that's the most normal thing we've talked about all episode.

02:24:06.440 You know, you're probably right.

02:24:07.360 To be really honest with you.

02:24:09.060 To put it in context, yes.

02:24:10.880 I want to get you out of here soon because we want to go to your party tonight.

02:24:14.880 What is one of the things about the Charlie Kirk assassination that rubs you the wrongest?

02:24:19.200 Do you feel like?

02:24:20.100 About the investigation into it?

02:24:21.880 Yeah.

02:24:22.320 I mean, it's the whole thing with the kid and the images and then they see him at like a Dairy Queen.

02:24:27.220 Some of the, it's just like, it's all so confusing.

02:24:29.280 You can't decide what to believe.

02:24:31.520 But what do you, but also the fact that it doesn't feel like there's any presentation from the FBI or something about reality.

02:24:37.440 So it feels like it's just, it's, it's internet sluice filling in all the pieces.

02:24:41.980 What do you think?

02:24:43.000 I've called directly to say that just as an American, as a friend of Charlie's who is interested in seeing justice and is interested in preserving our system beyond this year.

02:24:53.640 Like if you want the system to continue, you have to satisfy people that the system is real.

02:24:58.240 And if they're convinced that it's not real, at some point they'll overthrow it.

02:25:01.420 That's just going to happen.

02:25:02.380 Okay.

02:25:02.900 Oh, but Mom Donnie.

02:25:04.060 Yeah.

02:25:04.260 How do you think we got Mom Donnie?

02:25:05.460 Or, and you think Mom Donnie's radical?

02:25:07.280 The dude went to Bowdoin.

02:25:08.720 It could be a lot more radical than that.

02:25:10.840 And we're going to get that.

02:25:12.020 They have a good sailing team there.

02:25:14.560 Do they?

02:25:15.200 Yeah.

02:25:15.580 At Bowdoin?

02:25:16.080 I thought it was Baldoin, but it's not.

02:25:17.760 No, it's Bowdoin.

02:25:19.000 Known really for sodomy, but also sailing.

02:25:21.020 I didn't know that.

02:25:21.180 Oh, I didn't know that.

02:25:21.820 I didn't know that they were enthusiastic.

02:25:23.180 Actually, I think they've got one of the top-rated varsity sodomy teams in the country.

02:25:27.960 Hard to starboard.

02:25:28.980 Zen users.

02:25:29.980 But anyway, here's what I am concerned about.

02:25:34.560 A lot of things.

02:25:36.100 One, he acted alone.

02:25:38.020 Tell me how that worked.

02:25:39.820 I don't, you know, none of us really act alone.

02:25:42.380 It's hard to go anywhere by yourself, too.

02:25:44.060 Thank you.

02:25:44.900 Exactly.

02:25:45.420 He acted totally alone.

02:25:46.100 Okay.

02:25:46.600 You're going to have to prove that to me.

02:25:47.840 It's totally possible.

02:25:48.700 Anything is possible.

02:25:49.800 Weird things have happened.

02:25:50.760 We'll continue to.

02:25:51.420 But if you're, that's not my default assumption, and it shouldn't be yours.

02:25:54.780 And their default assumption was we acted alone.

02:25:56.820 Really?

02:25:57.100 Why do you think that?

02:25:58.020 What about life suggests that people typically act alone?

02:26:00.920 What was the last time you acted alone in anything?

02:26:03.040 I don't go, you know, right?

02:26:04.400 So, A.

02:26:05.440 B, we know that people had foreknowledge of this because they posted about it on X and said,

02:26:11.680 Charlie Kirk is going to be killed on this date, and he was.

02:26:13.880 Is that true?

02:26:14.520 Yes, it's true.

02:26:15.400 Were they just guessing?

02:26:16.440 Was it a guessing thing where every day they posted that?

02:26:18.520 Maybe, maybe.

02:26:19.760 Have those people been interviewed?

02:26:21.180 Have they been hauled into FBI HQ and had a long conversation with how they knew that?

02:26:26.040 Like, let's get really specific.

02:26:27.040 Why did you post that?

02:26:28.220 Who have you talked to?

02:26:29.200 Like, if I were doing this investigation because I spent my whole life doing non-criminal investigations

02:26:33.900 called journalism, like, what do we know is true?

02:26:36.140 How do we find out?

02:26:37.040 Call everybody.

02:26:38.120 Be open-minded.

02:26:38.800 It's like a very, it's the same process.

02:26:40.980 If I was doing this investigation, they would be at the very top of the list.

02:26:44.420 We know because we've got public postings on Twitter that people know, just like a 9-11.

02:26:48.160 We know people bet against American Airlines and the banks that were in the World Trade Centers.

02:26:53.880 They shorted those stocks.

02:26:56.180 Those people clearly had foreknowledge of 9-11.

02:26:58.400 Who were those people?

02:26:59.060 We still don't know.

02:27:00.140 So, I would start there.

02:27:01.400 But, so you're saying that just the fact that there could possibly be some foreknowledge should be investigated?

02:27:05.540 Well, there was foreknowledge because they were, I saw the tweets.

02:27:08.580 Got it.

02:27:08.760 And so there were, I saw at least two that said, you know, everything's going to change when Charlie Kirk gets to the college in Utah.

02:27:16.320 Okay.

02:27:16.660 So those people, I'm not saying they're a part of a conspiracy, but they have, there's evidence that they had foreknowledge.

02:27:23.080 Okay?

02:27:23.300 So that's where you begin.

02:27:25.620 And then I could go on.

02:27:27.200 Like, tell me how this guy who seemed normal became a radical, trans, furry murderer?

02:27:35.140 It's not enough to tell me, oh, trans.

02:27:37.640 I'm not pro-trans, by the way.

02:27:40.140 But was that the guy or his boyfriend?

02:27:42.000 Well, exactly.

02:27:42.900 Exactly right.

02:27:44.060 Tell me how this guy became so radicalized that he murdered a stranger.

02:27:48.920 Yeah.

02:27:49.000 I'm not saying it didn't happen.

02:27:50.600 I agree.

02:27:50.940 I'm saying I want an explanation for how it happened.

02:27:52.920 Why wouldn't I?

02:27:53.680 I agree.

02:27:54.420 Oh, we can't talk about that because it'll, you know, prejudice the jury pool.

02:27:57.860 Really, you've told the world that you have both a confession from him in his text to his boyfriend and the murder weapon with his fingerprints on it.

02:28:06.440 I think you've got a pretty solid case.

02:28:08.140 So why is it so difficult to just explain, dude, 9-11, the rubble was still smoldering.

02:28:15.220 I was on television on 9-11, so I remember this very well.

02:28:18.660 People instantly appeared, oh, this is Islamic radicalism.

02:28:21.500 Here's where it comes from.

02:28:22.360 We're going to invite this guy in from Columbia who's just written a book about it and, like, the whole explanation was ready to go.

02:28:28.000 This, there's no even attempt, which is both good and bad, but there's no attempt to explain how this happened.

02:28:33.100 Like, it's, that's the key question we all want to know.

02:28:35.980 Yes, I know Charlie Kirk just got, was murdered by gunshot, got it, saw it.

02:28:39.960 Why?

02:28:40.900 And they never want to tell you.

02:28:42.300 Yeah.

02:28:42.980 Was the kid on SSRI?

02:28:43.960 Shut up.

02:28:44.980 Oh, you're a Scientologist?

02:28:46.420 They immediately start name-calling you.

02:28:47.660 Oh, you're Candace Owens now?

02:28:49.860 No.

02:28:50.220 Yeah, but if you're just a curious person who wants to know why your friend got killed, it's a friend.

02:28:56.460 Well, that's kind of what I am.

02:28:57.700 That's what I am.

02:28:58.320 Right, that's what I'm saying.

02:28:58.820 Right.

02:28:59.320 It's just, it's a human person.

02:29:00.920 Well, that's what Candace is.

02:29:01.940 So maybe, so I have said from the beginning, if you don't like what Candace Owens is saying, why don't you call her and offer a more plausible explanation for what happened?

02:29:12.920 Oh, she's bad!

02:29:14.700 She's bad!

02:29:15.840 Okay.

02:29:16.500 I mean, I like her a lot.

02:29:17.440 I don't think she's bad, but, I love her actually, but, let's just stipulate she's bad, but why wouldn't you do that?

02:29:23.820 Well, I don't agree with some of the stuff that she, the rabbit hole she goes down, but I don't even know.

02:29:28.640 But I like the fact that she likes to dig in the garden, you know?

02:29:31.720 So it's like, I like the fact that she's curious, and that, obviously, if people weren't resonating with what she's doing, then nobody would be paying attention.

02:29:40.600 But, you know how many places I go, people will come up to me and be like, and I don't think they want to say something to me, they'll be like, I love Candace Owens.

02:29:48.300 Dude, did I tell you what happened to me in Oslo this summer?

02:29:50.140 Mm-mm.

02:29:50.640 I was with my family, salmon fishing.

02:29:52.840 White Oslo, some people call it white Oslo as well.

02:29:54.980 It's not very white anymore.

02:29:55.920 It isn't?

02:29:56.260 Nope.

02:29:56.980 Aw, Oslo.

02:29:59.620 But anyway, I'm in Oslo, Norway, and just for one night, we were fishing, and we go to Oslo to fly out, and I'm walking down the street with one of my daughters, Tucker Carlson!

02:30:08.980 I was like, shit, I'm going to get yelled at in Oslo.

02:30:11.880 This guy runs up to me, Tucker Carlson, yes?

02:30:14.700 You know Candace Owens?

02:30:16.360 I was like, yeah?

02:30:17.020 He goes, tell her I love her.

02:30:18.920 And I texted Candace, I was like, that is fame when people come up to you just because of the reflected glory of someone you know.

02:30:24.840 Yeah.

02:30:25.140 So why do people like Candace so much?

02:30:27.640 She's an amazing broadcaster, yes, because they sense in her, she might be wrong.

02:30:32.340 Is she lying to me?

02:30:33.380 Not on purpose.

02:30:34.320 They sense the purity of her intent.

02:30:36.340 That's the truth.

02:30:37.280 And I can say, as someone who's dealt with government officials my whole life, I'm not vouching for everything Candace claims.

02:30:42.580 I don't even know a lot of what she claims because I'm working on other stuff, and it makes me sad also.

02:30:47.180 But the point is, do I trust Candace more than I trust your average DOJ official?

02:30:53.760 Are you joking?

02:30:55.560 It's not even close, dude.

02:30:56.720 Yeah.

02:30:56.960 It's not even close.

02:30:58.000 It's not even close.

02:30:59.240 We can all be wrong, but who do I trust to try to tell the truth more?

02:31:03.840 Candace or your average DOJ official?

02:31:06.640 Opposite ends of the spectrum.

02:31:07.860 I'll just say that.

02:31:08.640 Yeah.

02:31:09.900 Do you feel that?

02:31:10.420 It's a scary time.

02:31:11.300 Yeah.

02:31:11.840 It's a scary time.

02:31:12.900 It's like, I remember when you were interviewing Putin, I remember thinking, we may get some real information here, which is kind of a crazy-

02:31:23.120 I know.

02:31:23.900 And I'll just admit that.

02:31:26.280 I'll be like, dude, we might really get some information here.

02:31:30.000 Instead of all this BS, like Russia was involved in making all these ads and all this thing, we might really get some information here.

02:31:37.040 Yeah.

02:31:37.300 Well, you were right.

02:31:38.000 It's 2.58.

02:31:38.780 You came at noon, right?

02:31:39.880 Yeah.

02:31:40.300 Okay, we got to get you out of here.

02:31:41.420 Damn.

02:31:42.500 That sucks.

02:31:43.080 There goes your nap, though.

02:31:44.220 I don't nap at noon.

02:31:45.160 You don't?

02:31:45.820 No, dude, I'm flying the Middle East tomorrow.

02:31:48.580 That's like 12 hours apiece for me.

02:31:50.840 I'm just going to eat hummus.

02:31:52.920 Are you flying on a commercial?

02:31:54.520 I'm flying commercial.

02:31:55.240 They have the-

02:31:56.120 It's the best.

02:31:56.840 They have the best airline.

02:31:58.400 I'm sorry.

02:31:58.780 I know that makes me an Islamist.

02:32:01.140 I know I'm responsible for Danny Pearl's murder for saying that, but Qatar Airways is like the best airline.

02:32:07.200 It just is.

02:32:07.700 I've flown in all airlines.

02:32:08.340 Dude, some of the best people over there.

02:32:10.860 I had a great time over there.

02:32:12.240 Totally agree.

02:32:13.040 And what I like about their country is they keep shit in line.

02:32:16.580 There's not a lot of fucking BS over there.

02:32:19.080 You can say what you want.

02:32:20.280 It's definitely more restrained in some ways.

02:32:22.600 Yeah.

02:32:23.180 We could say, f*** it as well, dude.

02:32:24.500 Remember you couldn't even say it the other day.

02:32:26.300 Well, I could say it because I'm American, but no, you're not allowed to spray paint public buildings there.

02:32:30.760 Sorry.

02:32:31.120 You can't shit on the sidewalk.

02:32:32.480 You're not allowed to have sex in an ATM vestibule or smoke meth in front of other people's houses.

02:32:38.680 But you can say what you believe.

02:32:41.240 So there's a constriction of freedom in some ways.

02:32:43.360 Yeah.

02:32:44.040 Well, especially like the other day.

02:32:45.080 So my gay friend calls me up.

02:32:46.540 He's like, dude, he wanted me to say f*** it to his friends on Zoom.

02:32:49.680 Right.

02:32:50.920 And I'm like, dude.

02:32:51.700 What's your life like, dude?

02:32:53.340 Bro, I'm like, dude, I'm not saying I just woke up.

02:32:55.480 Can we just consider you just said my gay friend called me the other day and he wants me to say f*** it to his friends on Zoom.

02:33:00.920 Yeah, he thought it would be cool.

02:33:01.900 It's an amazing sentence.

02:33:03.760 Yeah, but it's like people are trying to say like, well, you can't say this and that.

02:33:06.780 But it's like, what do you want me to do in that instance?

02:33:08.940 It's like my gay buddy calls me up and he's like, dude, a couple of my boys are over here.

02:33:13.540 Trent's over here.

02:33:14.200 Say f*** it for us.

02:33:14.940 And I'm like, dude, you know, and I just woken up.

02:33:17.320 Right.

02:33:17.620 I'm like, I'm not saying it like if I just woke up, dude, that's crazy.

02:33:21.300 You got to ease into f*** it.

02:33:22.580 It can't.

02:33:23.000 You can't just like go cold into f*** it.

02:33:25.120 I've had this exact problem.

02:33:26.440 Dude, I'm not having my eyes open for 40 seconds.

02:33:28.300 My wife will say that.

02:33:29.280 She'll wake me up and she's like, say f*** it.

02:33:30.480 I'll be like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:33:31.900 I need a cup of coffee first.

02:33:33.200 Yeah, definitely, dude.

02:33:34.300 At least let me put on some sneakers, you know?

02:33:37.000 But that was crazy.

02:33:38.380 And also the fact that Piers Morgan wouldn't say it.

02:33:41.020 It's a British word.

02:33:41.980 You guys started the word.

02:33:43.360 I know.

02:33:43.680 It's not like I asked him to say cunt.

02:33:44.800 I almost did because I think that's allowed.

02:33:46.740 You can say that.

02:33:47.540 Well, that's fair.

02:33:48.360 The K word is they say where I live.

02:33:49.960 They're both his words, dude.

02:33:51.960 And I understand like not yelling it at somebody that's gay or like, you know, say you open your door

02:33:56.140 and like two guys are like blowing each other in your front yard or something.

02:33:58.920 I don't.

02:33:59.260 No, that's when you don't say it.

02:34:00.760 That's when you don't say it.

02:34:01.500 Because you don't call a fat girl fat.

02:34:03.120 Well, yeah.

02:34:03.620 You joke about the skinny girl being fat because it's a joke.

02:34:06.200 Yeah.

02:34:06.440 You don't yell fat.

02:34:07.500 You're like, hey, fellas, hit the road.

02:34:09.120 Right.

02:34:09.420 You know?

02:34:09.720 Right.

02:34:10.180 It's like.

02:34:11.620 Exactly.

02:34:12.140 Dude, like one time I walked behind a 7-Eleven.

02:34:13.740 There's a couple of gay dudes back there.

02:34:15.040 One of them was at least gay.

02:34:16.080 And one of them was blowing one of them, right?

02:34:18.260 So at least.

02:34:18.760 So who is gay?

02:34:19.820 I don't know.

02:34:20.260 Who is gay?

02:34:21.340 Yeah.

02:34:21.880 And that's.

02:34:22.580 No, sorry.

02:34:23.180 Just kidding.

02:34:23.380 Who is gay?

02:34:24.240 But yeah, I didn't ask right at that point.

02:34:26.360 No, but I was like, guys, come on, you know?

02:34:28.820 And they were.

02:34:29.500 And one of them got into a car that had those.

02:34:32.960 It was like a Honda Civic that had those.

02:34:36.920 It was around the holidays that had those antler ears out the side.

02:34:40.300 Yeah.

02:34:40.700 And I was like, that's.

02:34:41.940 Was that the guy blowing or getting blown?

02:34:43.840 I don't know which one it was, but that was the.

02:34:45.740 It matters.

02:34:46.220 It matters.

02:34:46.720 But that was the.

02:34:47.460 It, I think that was the.

02:34:48.440 A hundred percent.

02:34:49.460 But the antler ears.

02:34:50.420 Yeah.

02:34:51.020 But that was the gay guy.

02:34:52.040 Yeah.

02:34:52.660 So anyway, I don't even know why.

02:34:54.840 That's called deductive reasoning.

02:34:56.520 Yeah, that's all it is, dude.

02:34:57.980 You are the Sherlock Holmes of gay 7-Eleven.

02:35:01.420 Dude.

02:35:02.620 But my buddy, the other day, it's like, now I'm the bad guy to a gay friend because I

02:35:07.220 won't say that over to his Zoom at work.

02:35:11.940 And I'm like, dude, I'm not saying.

02:35:12.800 This is bad.

02:35:13.040 You got a buddy calls.

02:35:14.020 All he needs you to do is say f*** it on Zoom.

02:35:15.740 That's it.

02:35:16.120 He's not asking for.

02:35:16.860 It's not alone.

02:35:17.960 He's not asking to bail him out of jail.

02:35:19.640 He just want to just say f*** it on Zoom.

02:35:20.940 And you're like, no, the one thing you want, I deny you, dude.

02:35:23.660 I, and I've said this before.

02:35:24.540 I think that a lot of people like gay people, they should auction off the word.

02:35:28.160 Somebody can say it one time at a certain time.

02:35:30.180 Everybody can buy a Zoom pass to watch the person say it.

02:35:32.600 Like you, like, say like, um, I'm trying to think of who, but say, uh, who's a good one?

02:35:39.200 Burt Reynolds is going to say it tonight, right?

02:35:41.040 He's going to say it tonight at midnight.

02:35:42.520 Oh.

02:35:43.000 And everybody can buy a pass to watch him say it, right?

02:35:45.400 I love that.

02:35:46.260 But it doesn't, I'm not insecure about this because I've worked around and loved gays my

02:35:51.780 whole life.

02:35:52.480 Yeah.

02:35:52.680 None of my gay friends are going to be upset about this.

02:35:54.100 But you know what?

02:35:55.500 They're the offenders.

02:35:57.060 It's like, they're like rappers with the N word.

02:35:59.220 It's insane.

02:36:00.240 You work with gay men.

02:36:01.480 He's a f***.

02:36:02.340 And I'll just be like, oh, I can't do this.

02:36:03.940 Yeah.

02:36:04.120 I can't even, yeah.

02:36:04.820 The people that say, but dude, I think it's the same with the N word.

02:36:07.080 They should auction it off where people could like, say if Angela, you know, Jolie saying

02:36:09.940 the N word tonight at 10, 15, you know how many people are going to pay to watch?

02:36:13.280 And then the money goes towards, uh, black causes and black culture.

02:36:17.800 Pay-per-view profanity.

02:36:19.580 Yeah.

02:36:20.340 I love that.

02:36:21.840 You know, why waste it?

02:36:23.440 Right.

02:36:24.020 No, you're totally right.

02:36:24.940 You know how many people she gets 30 minutes.

02:36:26.760 She can say it anywhere in there.

02:36:27.820 She can do a little bit.

02:36:28.520 She can read a book and drop it.

02:36:30.120 Angelina Jolie saying the N word.

02:36:32.300 I might actually pay the 25.99 to see that.

02:36:35.400 Dude, who wouldn't?

02:36:36.560 No, actually.

02:36:37.460 I know.

02:36:38.820 That's what I'm saying.

02:36:39.660 But then, then you're making.

02:36:40.460 That is so naughty.

02:36:42.040 That's like, uh.

02:36:42.820 I agree.

02:36:44.100 Yeah.

02:36:44.280 But you're making money for your cause.

02:36:45.580 It's like a hate crimes OnlyFans.

02:36:47.920 Ooh, kind of.

02:36:48.980 Yeah.

02:36:49.540 But I think.

02:36:50.080 Can you do that?

02:36:50.580 I've never been an OnlyFans, obviously.

02:36:51.740 But could you get an OnlyFans to be like, say the N word?

02:36:57.560 I mean.

02:36:58.080 I think you could do it, dude.

02:36:59.800 If you could get George Washington's great grandson to say it, what about that?

02:37:03.240 Tonight, we got George Washington's great grandson.

02:37:05.760 Bring him up.

02:37:06.960 We got George Washington's great grandson tonight at probably.

02:37:10.540 I bet he's pretty old.

02:37:11.540 So about 7.15 p.m.

02:37:12.520 Pretty old.

02:37:13.000 He's like about 150 years old.

02:37:15.200 Okay.

02:37:15.580 Sorry.

02:37:16.420 Oh, George Washington didn't have any children?

02:37:18.180 No, we didn't.

02:37:18.620 It's only the Custises.

02:37:19.720 It's through his wife's family.

02:37:20.860 No, he didn't.

02:37:22.400 But if his great-great-grandson is saying, I'm going to tap in, there's no way.

02:37:26.420 If it's 6.99, you hear him say it at 7.15?

02:37:28.360 How about if it was Thomas Jefferson's black great-great-great-great-grandson?

02:37:31.880 Nah.

02:37:32.440 Right.

02:37:33.040 Exactly.

02:37:33.500 I wouldn't as much.

02:37:34.060 There's no charge there.

02:37:35.000 But still, if it's a little Asian guy or whatever who's been in a coma, they know he's waking

02:37:38.680 up at 3, at 4.30, he's going to say it.

02:37:41.380 And mispronounces it.

02:37:42.820 Yeah.

02:37:43.520 I would pay for that.

02:37:45.440 Ah, yeah.

02:37:47.120 Crazy.

02:37:47.920 Might have to take that part out.

02:37:48.900 Anyway, Tucker, how do we stay, like, I'm sure there's moments where you've gotten too

02:37:54.200 far down the well.

02:37:54.920 Like, if you look at some of this stuff too much, it gets really, it can get pretty negative.

02:37:58.360 I'm out of the well.

02:37:59.360 I'm totally out of the well.

02:38:00.740 I've like, I'm above the clouds and it's always sunny there.

02:38:03.900 It's like, I feel so much better because I just concluded that everything you suspect

02:38:09.460 is true.

02:38:10.340 It's always been true.

02:38:11.620 It was true in Rome.

02:38:12.540 It was true in every period in history and it's true now.

02:38:16.440 And the only thing that's changed is we lied to ourselves about it.

02:38:19.440 But now once you realize, yeah, it's all true.

02:38:21.720 I don't need any more evidence.

02:38:22.660 I got it.

02:38:23.120 I figured it out.

02:38:24.740 And the good things in life are still amazing.

02:38:28.460 And you can make a difference by telling the truth.

02:38:30.800 And when you do, you become stronger in some supernatural way.

02:38:33.800 And there's just so much beauty and joy in life.

02:38:36.120 I'm not going to get bogged down in all the hatred.

02:38:38.880 I'm not going to take orders from Mark Levin and become a Nazi just because he calls me

02:38:43.060 one.

02:38:43.540 No, sorry.

02:38:45.720 Yeah.

02:38:46.220 I'm playing your games.

02:38:47.260 Oh, for sure.

02:38:48.240 It's like people say stuff on the internet.

02:38:49.680 It's like, whatever, dude.

02:38:52.220 But pivot against it.

02:38:53.640 Be like, yeah, I, yeah.

02:38:56.300 People will make fun of me for stuff or do certain things.

02:38:58.820 It's like, I don't care about it that much.

02:39:00.800 I don't care really what you call me that much.

02:39:02.580 I mean, I already know things that I am, you know, I'm not great.

02:39:05.900 That's for sure.

02:39:07.100 But, uh.

02:39:07.540 But they never call you the things you really are.

02:39:10.680 He lived, he lived with a dude who gave him free Viagra.

02:39:14.900 I had to steal it.

02:39:15.980 I had to sneak in there and eat some of it at night.

02:39:18.640 Um, Tucker Carlson, man, thanks so much for your time, dude.

02:39:21.400 Do you think we're going to get in trouble for any of this?

02:39:23.520 I, I'm already, I was already voted Nazi of the week by BB or something.

02:39:29.920 I don't, I don't care.

02:39:31.060 It's a lie and if you spend your life.

02:39:32.780 You don't seem like a Nazi to me at all, man.

02:39:35.380 No, not a Nazi.

02:39:36.720 You know?

02:39:37.140 And I'm not going to become one.

02:39:38.840 Yeah, dude.

02:39:39.440 I would notice if you started Nazi-ing a little bit.

02:39:42.040 Yeah.

02:39:42.940 You know?

02:39:43.580 It's a little too rigid for me just temperamentally also.

02:39:46.900 I don't like tight clothing at all.

02:39:48.860 I can't stand to be ordered.

02:39:50.740 You'd look good in green though.

02:39:51.720 Um, look, before you leave, Tucker, I just want to play this for you.

02:39:56.080 Do you mind?

02:39:56.800 Would you know about that?

02:39:58.460 I'm getting wood listening to that.

02:39:59.720 It's just, you know, I'm thinking like maybe I do invite Theo over.

02:40:02.840 Just middle of the night in bed with my wife.

02:40:04.960 It's totally dark.

02:40:05.940 All of a sudden I hear the, the notes.

02:40:08.600 Well, it's because I couldn't make rent sometimes.

02:40:10.160 I think he was thinking of any way I could help out.

02:40:11.760 I get it.

02:40:12.360 You're young.

02:40:12.860 You needed the money.

02:40:13.580 I've heard this before.

02:40:14.520 Hey dude, those erections, those are caused by Alps.

02:40:18.880 You know that, don't you?

02:40:19.820 Yes, they are.

02:40:21.040 The pouch for your mouth.

02:40:22.260 Hey.

02:40:23.440 Um, Tucker Carlson, thanks so much, man.

02:40:25.720 And, uh, thanks for inviting me to your get together.

02:40:27.600 I'm excited about it.

02:40:28.580 And, uh, I'll see you later on.

02:40:29.640 Anything else you wanted to talk about?

02:40:30.720 Nope.

02:40:31.360 All right.

02:40:31.680 Appreciate you, brother.

02:40:32.120 You're the best.

02:40:32.800 You too, man.

02:40:33.220 Thank you, Theo.

02:40:33.500 Yep.

02:40:33.700 Stay safe.

02:40:34.260 Now I'm just floating on the breeze

02:40:36.980 And I feel I'm falling like these leaves

02:40:39.940 I must be cornerstone

02:40:43.260 Oh, but when I reach that ground

02:40:47.820 I'll share this peace of mind

02:40:49.980 I found I can feel it

02:40:52.040 In my bones

02:40:54.140 But it's gonna tell you

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - December 10, 2025

#628 - Tucker Carlson

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