Tucker Carlson is a stand-up comedian, podcaster, and host of his own show, The Tucker Carlson Show, which has been ranked one of the top ten podcasts in America. He also hosts his own podcast, which was recently named one of The Top 10 Podcasts in America by Time Magazine, and has been featured in the New York Times, USA Today, and the Hollywood Reporter. Tucker is also a regular on Comedy Central's "The Daily Show with Bill Burr" and hosts a show called "The Late Show with Seth Meyers" which was ranked No. 7 on Time Magazine's Top 10 Most Influential People in America list.
00:09:08.220If you took an erection pill, say you went on a date or something that was going pretty well and you took part of – or you nibbled off a little piece.
00:09:14.080Because do not make the mistake of taking a whole one.
00:10:09.820Like you use it and then you don't need it.
00:10:11.420But, yeah, dude, that was a weird time.
00:10:14.640Dude, I – one time, I was over there and – so the dude, like, we only had – we only had one bedroom, so I would just sleep on the couch, right?
00:10:26.080Are you sure there's not more to this story?
00:10:39.960And so – and I was looking for a place to live.
00:10:42.900Anyway, I used to go – like, I was learning the guitar at the time, and so he would have this lady stay over sometimes, and he would have me come in there and play music to him in the dark and shit, and I just learned how to play Tears in Heaven.
00:10:55.400Just to – again, to stand back and, you know, with no prior knowledge of the story at all, but just to, like, assess the facts as you've laid them out.
00:11:02.160You get invited to live with an older man.0.88
00:13:38.800And some people are like, I'm not going to do that.0.93
00:13:41.360Yeah, and I don't want to have to go to, like, a Tiesto or a John Summit or a Levity concert or have to go to, like, a widespread panic concert to get somebody to boof it into my butt through a straw or something.
00:13:52.900It's like, how do you even get help getting it in if you need help?
00:15:57.200I had ratings that were so bad at one network I worked at that there was some question as to whether, given the margin of error, anyone was watching.
00:18:24.840I kind of like black people, but it's not even – it has nothing to do with whether I like black people or don't.
00:18:28.780Yeah, I don't know if you're jerseys or whatever.
00:18:30.120I kind of do, but even if I didn't, hating people on the basis of racism is immoron.
00:18:33.860So I would do these, like, long monologues and I would stay up and write them, you know, at home and be like, I'm going to tell the truth.0.98
00:18:40.040And everyone would be like, shut up, racist.0.75
00:22:42.080It just seems like that is a wrong thing.
00:22:45.000There was not a lot of question about it for me.
00:22:46.760Like, I learned about the history of the land, and then I was like, well, this is just wrong.
00:22:51.300There's no reason that these children have to be getting killed, that they're experimenting with different weapons and different tactics on this kind of, like, basically this imprisoned group over there.
00:23:04.300And then when I saw this in Miss Rachel, I was like, what are we doing?
00:23:08.280Like, would you need Bert and Ernie to come out and say that it's a genocide?
00:23:11.820Like, at what point do people not trust what they're seeing anymore?
00:23:56.400And if they would just say, hey, America is a country that's owned by Israel or that it's always been just this outpost or it's this LLC of Israel or it's this, or of this, or maybe not even of Israel.
00:24:10.480It could just be of corporate entities.
00:24:14.980But if they would just tell us, then you can operate from a place of knowing what's going on.
00:24:20.320But for some reason, there's this weird secretiveness about stuff.
00:24:24.160And when things are secret, it feels evil because it feels like it's in the dark, right?
00:24:29.640And then when you see, like, we're watching people dying and kids dying and it's supposed to feel like it's just in with the next reel and the next trend dance or whatever.
00:24:41.200It's just, it all becomes, it all becomes confusing.
00:24:45.180And so those are moments where you do have to lock in, you know, just prayer, asking God, what am I supposed to do?
00:24:51.280Just trusting, like, the part inside of yourself that you feel like you've developed over time that's honest, I guess.
00:24:58.980Or just trying to trust your heart, you know?
00:25:07.880Because, and I think a lot of people watch, I'll speak for myself, I've been brooding on this because my whole job is to try and find out what's happening and then explain it.
00:25:17.480And it's just an endless series of frustrating cul-de-sacs where you're like, why can't we know this, that, the other thing?
00:25:27.720And in the last two weeks, I feel like I've gotten closer to understanding what's actually going on.
00:25:34.120And of course, I could be completely wrong, but I'm not.
00:25:36.100And it's made me so much happier because the conclusion, I've sort of let go of a lot of my frustration and fear because I've realized that we already know exactly what this is.
00:25:49.160We don't know a lot of the details, you know, could be wrong about this or that, you know?
00:25:54.080But big picture, we know exactly what's going on.
00:25:56.240And I think at this point that if all the information on all these different threads, whatever it is, especially the murders, not just the recent murders or attempted murders, but the more historical ones,
00:26:09.420if all the relevant information came out tomorrow, would we be surprised?
00:27:08.660It's the people with the biggest stake in this, who have the most to gain and the most to lose, are never going to leave the big decisions to, like, three zip codes in Pennsylvania.
00:28:51.180And especially at a time when I think a lot of people like – there's a lot of fears with like technology in the future and not knowing like where we're going to find our sense of purpose, right?
00:29:03.220That's a big thing that we talk about on this show a lot of our time is like where do you find your sense of purpose?
00:29:07.760And people find it a lot of times in their job, through their family, in their country, through their religion, through their faith.
00:29:15.420So, you know, some of those start to go away and some of those even look blurrier for the future, almost like it's like Marty McFly when he looks at that picture and it looks like he doesn't even exist.
00:29:25.780You know, and so it starts to make you think like, you know, if more of our purpose disappears and our traditions are challenged by media over the years that they're not – that they're wrong or they're racist or they're this or they're that, then you kind of end up with just – I don't know.
00:29:42.300It makes you feel like, well, what do I end up even – what even is the value of me at a certain point?
00:30:20.680And by the way, I just want to amplify what you just said because that is the answer.
00:30:23.800And those aren't just feelings of meaning and purpose.
00:30:26.180That's the definition of meaning and purpose is to love the people around you, not people you've never met, not abstract concepts, communism, fascism, Zionism, whatever your ideology is.
00:30:38.220That's what it means to live a meaningful life is to serve other people.
00:30:42.440And by other people, I mean people who are physically present, who are connected to you in organic ways, like your relatives, your friends, your coworkers, your roommates, the people God puts in your path.
00:30:54.220Those are the people you love, your waitress.
00:30:57.560Like that's what it really means to love people.
00:31:00.100So that's number one, always love the people around you.
00:31:04.600And whenever I run into people like, I just want to save the world or I want to come up with a new system to make everyone happy forever.
00:31:10.180And we're going to call it whatever we're calling it.
00:37:34.680But really what you need to do is make yourself strong inside by collecting your people close to you, staying in close touch with them, and telling the truth because telling the truth gives you spiritual power.
00:37:46.500The more you tell the truth, the more you are filled with supernatural power.
00:37:51.960To the extent a human being can be, I'm telling the truth, and I don't care if you kill me.
00:37:55.880I really don't care because what I'm saying is real, and it will outlive me.0.99
00:37:59.620So if you get into that habit, the exercise of just being honest as much as you can be, of course, you're a human being, so you'll lie all the fucking time because you can't help it.
00:38:07.660But if you keep doing that, you'll be filled with a spiritual power that is stronger than any other power.0.87
00:38:13.500Do you believe that our country is compromised?
00:46:29.300People are being killed and expelled from the place where they were born because of their bloodline.
00:46:36.640That, in the world that I grew up in, which is the United States of America, the main lesson, the lesson of World War II, the reason we fought against fascism was we reject that.
00:46:47.700We do not kill people or expel them or put them on trains or put them in internment camps or move them to, quote, third countries, as Smotius just said, because of how they were born.
00:48:10.560And we grieve over it because it's wrong.
00:48:13.080That's our moral compass right there.0.98
00:48:14.500If you didn't do anything wrong, we don't get to kill you or expel you from your home because you're innocent.
00:48:19.440Because we believe in justice, also called fairness.0.99
00:48:22.140That's the whole fucking point of this country.0.96
00:48:24.960And so when I see people arguing against that or calling me a Nazi when they're literally wholesale adopting the Nazi mindset, but then I think, you know what?0.98
00:48:49.780Well, I think, I do think once you say like, yeah, if I get to a point where I can just share what I think or what I feel, whether I'm right or wrong.
00:49:05.800And you would think that we'd learn that it was wrong and that's where we are now.
00:49:08.860Well, we've acknowledged that it's wrong, I think.
00:49:11.700I mean, look, there's a, you can acknowledge something is wrong without, you know, self-flagellating to the point where you're incapable of like going forward, which is kind of where we are.
00:49:20.660It's like, you can't do it to the point where you're incapable of going forward.
00:49:23.240Like, oh, well, we also, this, this mistake was made not by us.
00:49:26.580This mistake was made by people in the past or at that time who believed that colonialism was fine.
00:49:32.100And that was a different, people were playing by a different set of rules.
00:49:34.880But that's the whole point of America is that we have like standards of decency, fairness.
00:49:40.880I love that you use that word because that is the core of it.
00:56:08.840This is why at some point people may try to make you be quiet is because you approach all of this with humility, which is one of the hallmarks of good in my opinion.
00:56:18.660Like almost every sentence you begin on this topic begins with, I'm no one to judge and I'm not, you know, that is the posture.
00:56:28.560And one thing you notice about evil is its certainty, is its judgmental, condemnatory quality.
00:56:35.580You know, Mark Levin, you're evil.1.00
00:56:37.580You're a fascist, anti-Semite, Nazi, Islamist, whatever.1.00
00:56:41.080However, its mirror image is what you just showed, which is, you know, we're all kind of screwed up, but we're trying to get to the truth.1.00
00:57:00.140Am I really going to stand up and be like, I am positive.
00:57:01.960This is like, no, I'm doing the best I can.
00:57:03.640That's the only honest way to approach it.
00:57:05.100Especially like as a country, when you're paying into taxes and you're showing up to vote and you're trying to help your neighbor and you're trying to follow the rules and do the best that you can, you know, at a certain point, that's like you're giving in to something as a group.
00:57:25.760You're like giving in to something like this is how we believe that we should behave and that it best suits us moving forward.
00:57:30.960And then when it's really started to just feel, and I think it's kind of obvious at this point, that the higher-ups are not working for us anymore.
00:57:40.060And that's what I think has become the most evident in the past year especially is that people are like, oh, no matter who we elect, on which side, whatever it is, it's all this sort of shell game.
00:57:51.000And we're finally starting to see some of it.
00:57:53.060And I thought it was interesting that –
00:57:54.700Well, not working for us is kind of the most benign description.
00:57:58.460Like not working for you, that's just indifference.
00:58:59.780Because if you're trying to slurp on little fellas or whatever or you're jacking off to like, you know, butt activity or whatever, like does that like – you know, like I mean definitely pedophile.0.97
01:00:52.080That's why it's so important to reframe it in your head.0.98
01:00:54.300It's not just some freak on Petto Island, you know, banging a child and then, oh, they have him by the balls because they have videotape of him.0.98
01:01:37.140That's an enslaved man and you know the people who are free because they exude this kind of peace and joy and they're like, no, I don't care.
01:01:45.360I'll say whatever I think is true.0.88
01:07:06.020Do you think that if we elected different officials that things would be different or do you think that no matter who gets in there that the compromising happens these days?
01:07:19.260No, I think leadership is the most important thing.
01:07:22.200Why doesn't somebody come up with an app that tells us who's running, right?
01:07:29.560Because a lot of people don't have time to focus on exactly who's running, right?
01:07:36.940They've got to get their kid to T-ball.
01:07:38.340They've got to make sure their kids get fed.0.95
01:07:39.620And they have to make sure that one of the parents is there to read them a bedtime story before the other parent goes and works on that as a security guard somewhere just to make ends meet, right?
01:07:48.020Right. So why don't they have like an app that says, okay, this, these are the candidates.
01:07:53.240This one doesn't accept any money from any of these places.
01:07:55.840It feels like it would be very easy and obvious to create an app like that that would tell you exactly who to vote for.
01:08:03.000The problem is we're getting to a point of like knowledge about things.
01:08:08.340Like people sort of are figuring out what's going on that in order to be honest now, you have to be truly honest.
01:08:16.400If I think people are so wary of being lied to that if you sense that someone's like got to, you know, I'll be all honest about this stuff, but not about that thing.
01:08:33.140Well, you get killed, you know, you get killed.
01:08:35.280Like the system itself, and this is not the result of any foreign power, and this is just like the nature of systems, will work to expel you the same way your body works to expel bacteria or cancer.
01:08:46.680It's like the organism doesn't want this, and you see it.
01:08:50.520I've known very few honest members of Congress.
01:09:20.740And it's about not simply the fact that he disagrees with them on foreign policy, which is really the whole project really is just foreign policy, nothing to do with like your tax rates or your debt load.
01:13:30.400I don't know what happened between her and Trump.
01:13:33.520I know what happened to her over the past five years serving in Congress, which was she was like –0.91
01:13:38.200Trump withdrew his political endorsement and publicly insulted Green, labeling her as a traitor due to her vocal opposition to his handling of Epstein files and other policy disagreements.
01:14:35.780And she shows up and all people are like, shut up, honey.
01:14:38.060She was getting too close to what the truth is.
01:14:42.260And the truth is the people running the system are completely corrupt and the welfare of their people, our country's people, is not even on their list of concerns at all.
01:14:52.780They're beholden to the people who pay them and – or who threaten them.
01:14:57.400And she said that out loud and, oh, man, she had like very few allies.
01:15:11.360And the Epstein thing, you know, I've never understood what the justification for keeping that information secret – Epstein was murdered in prison, okay?
01:15:50.780And yeah, I was literally sitting in my backyard in Maine and he called me and I don't know how he got my cell.
01:15:56.720And we – it ended up this years-long thing.
01:15:59.360It's not interesting and I won't bore you with it, but the bottom line is Jeff Epstein was murdered in federal lockup in Manhattan in the secure unit.
01:16:07.860I think there were only 16 men on the unit and I think only 14 there that night.
01:16:13.640I may have thought slightly wrong, but it's very small and it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States and he got murdered in it.
01:16:19.620So that raises all kinds of obvious questions like who has the power to do that?
01:16:42.320Well, it turns out – and this does make you crazy – that his father, Donald Barr, is the guy who started Epstein's career,
01:16:48.440who both gave him his first job for which he was not qualified and then got him his second job at Bear Stearns for which he was definitely unqualified.
01:16:56.980But anyway, the point is that question of how an American citizen, kid toucher or not, could get murdered in federal lockup in our biggest city,0.99
01:17:08.420like holy shit, that should scare everybody.0.99
01:17:10.520And then the attorney general of the United States is covering it up.0.99
01:17:13.680He admitted – this is the attorney general when Epstein was murdered – said, I told everyone around me,
01:17:20.640we need to make sure the country believes this was a suicide.0.79
01:17:23.980It's like you haven't even done a freaking investigation.
01:17:25.780You're the chief law enforcement officer and you're telling me the outcome before you even look into it?
01:17:31.540Because he admitted it in his autobiography.
01:17:33.720And so I'm not guessing at any of this stuff, okay?
01:17:37.620So I call Bureau of Prisons and I'm like, I want the names of the inmates who are serving on this block because clearly nobody got in or out of the block.
01:18:49.620They allowed him to be murdered in federal lockup.
01:18:52.600So leave all the Petto Island stuff out of it and just ask yourself how can we continue to live in a country where a high-profile inmate can be murdered in our prison system by some – who's powerful enough to do that?
01:19:06.960And so these are not only legitimate questions.
01:19:43.280The last thing that I'm beginning to sort of reckon with right now is the extent of profound anti-American and anti-Jewish sentiment on large parts of the American right.0.98
01:19:58.320A lot of the illiberalism on the left that came from the fringe into the mainstream of the Democratic Party began as a fringe online movement that a lot of Democrats and a lot of liberals waved away because it was just some crazy influencers online.
01:20:16.780And woe to the people that still are telling themselves that and still believe that the things that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are saying will not make an impact on the right because they will.
01:20:32.580Everything about that is just so amazing to me.
01:20:58.480And calling me anti-American, you can say that Carlson's an asshole or whatever, but she has to call me the one thing that she is, which is like this weird psychology, I have to say.0.99
01:22:03.400But why does she get to be the head?1.00
01:22:04.900And I don't know the lady, but why does she get to, if her allegiance isn't to America first, how is she the head of an American network?0.97
01:22:12.260Well, that's, of course, an entirely fair question that you're not allowed to ask.
01:22:16.500But here's the deeper thing that I've been meditating on recently is that a lot of our overlords like Barry Weiss are actually totally mediocre.0.98
01:22:23.020And the most depressing thing about the United States in 2025 is that we're led not just by bad people, but by unimpressive, dumb, totally non-creative people.0.97
01:22:32.560Barry Weiss has no experience in journalism at all.0.99
01:23:07.080How do these people wind up running our biggest institutions?0.99
01:23:10.080And the reason that's significant is because if you pay close enough attention and you realize that the people running everything are stupid, then you think, well, actually, the system is truly rigged on behalf of people who do not deserve these positions at all.0.98
01:23:25.880It's not just that I disagree with Barry Weiss or she's calling me names or I'm calling her names or whatever.0.98
01:23:29.260It's like in no fair system and no meritocracy would Barry Weiss rise above secretary.
01:24:09.340And we're going to put her in charge of CBS News just to show that individual merit, energy, creativity, which is the most important thing.1.00
01:24:19.760Creativity is what a healthy society rewards because we are designed to create things.
01:30:12.920And it's the first one where you see these things happening.0.99
01:30:15.280Like, it's almost like, well, if I had seen slavery on my phone, I'd be like, this is fucked up.0.96
01:30:21.240If I had seen, you know, it's like, it's the first thing you see.0.97
01:30:25.120And did you see that chick who was at some conference recently?0.90
01:30:27.560I think she was like Carmela Harris, a speechwriter, former speechwriter.
01:30:30.900And she's like, you know, we made a huge mistake, like, talking too much about the Holocaust because now people are comparing what's happening in Gaza to the Holocaust.
01:30:39.180But it's like, don't come in and gaslight me to think now I'm wrong for seeing this.
01:30:46.600Shit, we never should have mentioned the Nazis because we set absolute standards of behavior that we're now failing to meet and we're being blamed.0.99
01:31:33.360And, and I just don't understand how regular people, comedians and, you know, a guy who loves Johnson and Murphy from Maine are the ones who are fucking having to speak up about that.
01:31:54.180They're so ugly, but I got these from someone else in the nicotine business who's like, dude, these will ground you to the earth's essential forces.
01:45:47.160YouTube is the backbone of all of this stuff.
01:45:49.420And if there is some, God hope it doesn't happen, but if there's some act of violence in the United States that can be used as a pretext in the same way that January 6th was used as a pretext to shut down all these people, they'll kick people off.
01:46:03.600My fear is that people, there will be a crackdown on YouTube.
01:46:07.160And at that point, you know, that's a big, that would be a true disaster for the country.
01:46:15.520So if there's an act of violence, whether it's organic or not, because some of them are not organic, sorry, that's a fact, a proven fact.
01:46:21.840But whatever the cause of it, if there's an act of violence against innocence and it's described as a hate crime, that it's not crazy to imagine.
01:46:32.100And that could be used to tie people whose opinions are unpopular with certain groups.
01:46:40.240And all of a sudden there's an emergency meeting with Sundar Pashai at Google and it's like, I'm sorry, you cannot have purveyors of hate like Candace Owens and me or you.
01:47:12.800If I was in Nazi Germany and I saw bad things happening and I didn't raise my hand or if Nazi Germany was trying to buy a bakery next door to me and I didn't be like, hey, mustache guy is buying the bakery.
01:47:42.940And to call someone a bad guy because of that is crazy to me.
01:47:46.040This article says, the government of Israel has hired a new conservative-aligned firm, Clocktower XLLC, to create media for general Gen Z audiences in a contract worth $6 million.
01:47:56.820At least 80% of content Clocktower produces will be tailored to Gen Z audiences across platforms.
01:48:02.940Clocktower will integrate its pro-Israel messaging in the Salem Media Network properties, a conservative Christian media group that boasts a vast radio network and produces high-profile shows such as Hugh Hewitt Show, Larry Elder Show, and The Right View with Laura Trump.
01:48:47.680Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, the advisor who hired the controversial micro-targeting firm Cambridge Analytic during Trump's 2016,
01:48:55.820campaign is at the center of the Israeli government's New Deal.
01:48:59.500So Brad Parscale, I don't think, is an evil person.0.96
01:49:50.500And you don't disclose that you're taking money to do that.
01:49:52.840And everything about this is dishonest and wrong.
01:49:56.280And any American who would take money for that, you know, again, speaking of anti-American, really, who's the audience for this?
01:50:03.660It's American citizens who think they're, like, tuning in for conservative analysis, and actually they're getting the point of view of a foreign government.
01:50:11.600Like, how is that okay, Brad Parscale?
01:50:14.920I don't know how we—I just don't understand.
01:50:16.960I think, yeah, I think it's just—I don't know.
01:50:19.040It's a tough time because you realize, oh, you thought all these things were in place that were keeping our country.
01:50:23.500You thought our country was taking care of us.
01:57:00.120We spent billions in this totally pointless exercise.
01:57:03.240They're continuing to try and make us do this.
01:57:05.080So it's, from my perspective, it's like, I'm not obsessed with Israel.
01:57:08.180You just back off and I'll never mention you again.
01:57:10.660I don't want to think about you at all because you're meaningless actually.
01:57:14.400You're a tiny country that has no strategic value at all.
01:57:18.140So just as long as you stop trying to control my government, I'll leave you alone.
01:57:21.720Well, sometimes it starts to seem like it's a video game and they've always controlled everything.
01:57:25.100And then we're just now realizing it's like, I've said this a couple times, but it's almost like if Super Mario almost looked at the screen one day and looked at you playing with him instead of just following your demands on the screen.0.98
01:57:38.280Like if one day he just like fucking sat down his fireballs and like looked over at you and was like, hey, what the fuck are we doing here?0.76
01:57:45.300You know, it's almost like that's where it's just like broke the fourth wall.0.99
01:58:50.940Oh, it's the most heartbreaking part.0.94
01:58:53.160I mean, from my perspective, as an American Christian, Protestant American Christian, it's like, yeah, of course, I think what Israel is doing is disgusting.0.96
01:59:01.560But my real rage, like what I'm actually upset about, if you're at dinner at my house, I never rage about the Israelis or the Jews at my house.
01:59:11.560But my rage, my actual personal rage is directed toward my people.
01:59:18.640It's Protestant Christian evangelical pastors who have made deals with the Israeli government or have theology so deranged that they think their Christian faith requires them to support the murder of children, including Christian children.
01:59:33.540And I know some of them, and they believe that.
01:59:36.740And that, to me, is very hard to forgive.
02:05:44.480I should just shrug it off, but I have a lot of trouble shrugging it off because it's such a distortion of my religious faith that I have trouble letting it go.
02:13:52.160Yeah, I would do that ring game where you kind of like, I'd have that ring game and just hang it from my chin and then have people try to hook it on there, you know?
02:13:58.900You need your roommate with a Viagra supply.
02:14:42.480And then in hindsight, when I realized I'm in there just playing for a bunch of geeked up seniors who are hopped up on wiener uppers, and I was over there fucking playing a sad song.0.98
02:16:51.340There's no public record of Judas Smith, the pastor and author, speaking publicly about the conflict in Gaza.
02:16:55.440However, there's a different Judas Smith, a medical student, who spoke about the impact of mystical strike on Soroka Medical Center in Israel, which may be a good source of confusion.
02:17:03.940No public statements on the Gaza conflict from the pastor and lead at church home.
02:17:08.280Um, but, yeah, I mean, people have their different views, you know, and those are, like, I think it's just stuff I'm curious about.
02:17:14.860And I don't know, like, enough about the Bible sometimes.
02:17:17.440I think we have to say that Jesus is against killing innocents.
02:17:20.700I just think we have to say that because what's, I mean, if we can't say that, then what can we say?
02:18:47.140I think that, um, one of the, I don't know many of the details, but I know that, uh, recently, Candace said that, uh, Egyptian registered aircraft were following, uh, Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow around for a number of years in different places in the world.
02:19:07.180That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard.
02:19:09.560And I just want to say that that is factually true.
02:19:28.280And, um, so, but that, that fact is true.
02:19:30.960So I, that enough, um, and, and it also her claim that, you know, there were kind of a disproportionately large number of foreign registered cell phones at the event.
02:19:45.580I don't know, but it, it means that, you know, the FBI has a moral and legal obligation to, to look in every direction and to be open-minded as you would in any investigation, in journalism, in science.
02:20:01.720I don't know the answer and I'm going to sift through everything as open-mindedly as I can, as honestly as I can to get to what the truth is.
02:20:08.920That's, that's, again, that's science, that's law enforcement, that's journalism.
02:20:45.800It's like, and also here's the weird thing.0.99
02:20:48.620I never wanted to think about any of this shit.0.96
02:20:50.320I never wanted to think that our FBI didn't care about us or that our CIA was compromised or that we couldn't, like, you can't even call the police department without thinking that it goes directly to some other foreign lobby.0.99
02:21:00.740Like, so like, and like, I never, like, so it's weird that if people point fingers, you're like, I never, I just wanted to be, I just wanted to try my best and fucking be alive.
02:21:10.980Like, I, you know what I'm saying?0.51
02:21:12.180Like, you're not like a weirdo just because your brain is trying to figure things out.
02:21:17.500That's a brain's job is to try to figure things out.
02:21:19.480It's to try to make organization of things.
02:21:21.380Um, so it's just so crazy that people who are trying to figure things out are getting ostracized, you know, whether they're right or wrong or something, at least they're trying to have some semblance of, like, curiosity, which is really just kind of reframe.
02:21:35.420If the official story describing the murder of your friend doesn't make sense and you find yourself yelling at a podcaster for coming up with other theories, you're, you're barking in the wrong direction.
02:21:50.060Listen, your anger should be focused on the people whose job it is legally, constitutionally to get to the answer.
02:21:59.060And there's very little pressure on them, I notice.
02:22:19.100The FBI has this case and of course the state of Utah.
02:22:24.440It's their job to not only find out what happened, present it to the public in a way that restores some confidence that you can like have justice in this country.
02:22:35.220I don't have confidence in that because there's a lot of evidence that we don't have that.
02:22:38.380So restore confidence by being honest and telling a story that makes sense.
02:22:41.940So why, if they don't do that and they haven't done that, they have not done that, how can you be mad at Candace Owens or anyone else for filling a vacuum that they left?
02:22:56.640But, okay, no, the people with the authority are the ones responsible and they're the ones who should be held responsible when there's a failure.
02:23:04.500Not some podcaster, not me, not you, not Candace.
02:24:43.000I've called directly to say that just as an American, as a friend of Charlie's who is interested in seeing justice and is interested in preserving our system beyond this year.
02:24:53.640Like if you want the system to continue, you have to satisfy people that the system is real.
02:24:58.240And if they're convinced that it's not real, at some point they'll overthrow it.
02:27:54.420Oh, we can't talk about that because it'll, you know, prejudice the jury pool.
02:27:57.860Really, you've told the world that you have both a confession from him in his text to his boyfriend and the murder weapon with his fingerprints on it.
02:28:06.440I think you've got a pretty solid case.
02:28:08.140So why is it so difficult to just explain, dude, 9-11, the rubble was still smoldering.
02:28:15.220I was on television on 9-11, so I remember this very well.
02:28:18.660People instantly appeared, oh, this is Islamic radicalism.1.00
02:29:01.940So maybe, so I have said from the beginning, if you don't like what Candace Owens is saying, why don't you call her and offer a more plausible explanation for what happened?
02:29:17.440I don't think she's bad, but, I love her actually, but, let's just stipulate she's bad, but why wouldn't you do that?
02:29:23.820Well, I don't agree with some of the stuff that she, the rabbit hole she goes down, but I don't even know.
02:29:28.640But I like the fact that she likes to dig in the garden, you know?
02:29:31.720So it's like, I like the fact that she's curious, and that, obviously, if people weren't resonating with what she's doing, then nobody would be paying attention.
02:29:40.600But, you know how many places I go, people will come up to me and be like, and I don't think they want to say something to me, they'll be like, I love Candace Owens.
02:29:48.300Dude, did I tell you what happened to me in Oslo this summer?
02:29:59.620But anyway, I'm in Oslo, Norway, and just for one night, we were fishing, and we go to Oslo to fly out, and I'm walking down the street with one of my daughters, Tucker Carlson!0.98
02:30:08.980I was like, shit, I'm going to get yelled at in Oslo.0.95
02:30:11.880This guy runs up to me, Tucker Carlson, yes?0.99
02:31:12.900It's like, I remember when you were interviewing Putin, I remember thinking, we may get some real information here, which is kind of a crazy-