This Past Weekend with Theo Von - #632

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00:00:37.520 16th. Today's guest is a comedian. He's a political commentator. He's a podcaster. You may know him

00:00:44.740 from his shows Part of the Problem and Legion of Skanks. I caught up with him last time about a

00:00:51.260 year ago, so I'm grateful for his return. Today's guest is Dave Smith.

00:00:59.420 Good to see you, man. You too, brother. Yeah, we're gonna go to Candace's effort. That'll be fun.

00:01:16.540 Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Kids are so funny, dude. Yeah, I bet. Instead of playing hide-and-go-seek,

00:01:21.760 they'll play, like, who killed Charlie Kirk. So that's the craziest thing about Candace's kids.

00:01:32.560 Kids are talking about Egyptian military planes and shit. Yeah, like, instead of pin the tail on the

00:01:37.300 donkey, they're like, it's like, pin the small wiener on the Macron. Like, yeah, they just have a

00:01:44.360 different kind of, like, I mean, yeah, she's, her, their kids are beautiful. Sorry, let me just turn

00:01:50.120 this off. They're beautiful children. Uh, I talk, I end up talking about them a lot. I'm sorry. I feel

00:01:55.320 like it's like a little, I'm like, dude, do not bring up that lady's kids again. Well, and I don't,

00:02:01.300 I've never gotten to see mixed children up close that much. Like, I just don't get it. You know,

00:02:04.940 I've never had that kind of opportunity. Really? Yeah. You didn't grow up with, like,

00:02:08.680 mixed race kids. Yeah. That's a mixed race, but a lot of them, the dad was gone or something. So

00:02:13.260 yeah, I mean, that's a mixed race. I mean, yeah, that's true. So one of the parents was gone.

00:02:20.340 Yeah. And I don't want to just blame it on the dad, but one of the parents was gone.

00:02:23.200 But, um, yeah, I guess so. Yeah. I guess I haven't seen where both the parents are around

00:02:28.620 and it's like this functioning, like, uh, type of thing. Yeah. Okay. Now that makes sense. Mixed race

00:02:33.980 functioning families. Those are, those are rare function. Yeah. Like something that could create a Ben

00:02:38.200 Simmons. Yeah, that's true. I didn't see too much of that. You know, weirdly I knew, um,

00:02:43.640 now that I'm thinking about it, I knew black kids who had a full family together, but all the mixed

00:02:49.460 race kids that I'm thinking of didn't have dads. Hmm. Well, I think it's an inter, you know,

00:02:56.660 at, at, at, when we were kids, it was probably a tough, it was, I don't know if people were super

00:03:00.820 geeked in some areas on like racial, like biracial parents living together or interracial

00:03:06.500 relationships. I remember, um, we had a bus driver, this fellow Milford was his name and

00:03:12.960 he, like he had a lot, he'd done a lot of things wrong and one shouldn't have been driving

00:03:18.740 children. And, uh, anyway, he would end up knocking up the lady that swept his bus out.

00:03:25.280 He knocked up the lady that swept out the bus. Who was a black woman.

00:03:28.040 Can I just say just, just on that? Yeah. Impressive. Yeah. That's an impressive thing

00:03:32.460 to be a school bus driver and to just pull the black chick who's sweeping up your bus. Like

00:03:37.500 that's just a, that's a good place to start from, to get laid. You just, as a dude, you

00:03:41.180 have to respect that. Yeah. Shout out, uh, Milford. And he was a ginger too. And this was a time

00:03:44.760 when the science wasn't even there on them. You know, there was a black chick to like go

00:03:50.940 back to her black friends and tell them she just, she just fucked a ginger bus, school bus

00:03:55.240 driver. Like that's, that's crazy. Well, they probably thought she was coming up at that

00:04:01.100 time. It was different times, right? Look at you girl. Yeah. Oh, okay. Shorty getting Irish.

00:04:06.560 Okay. Uh, but the crazy, the crazy, the craziest part was, uh, yeah, I guess I could just see

00:04:14.080 him. He's up there and he's like just having a cigarette or having a dip or something after

00:04:18.200 a, after a drive or a haul or whatever they would call it. What do they call that? A haul.

00:04:22.260 I think they would call it a haul. You're hauling the kids to school. My route. Probably.

00:04:28.040 I think so. Yeah. That'd be your route after driving my route. And, um, and he heard that

00:04:33.240 broom start going in the back of that bus and he's got him a little, he starts scratching

00:04:37.920 his crotch a little or something. Who knows brother? That's love. Hey, love can strike.

00:04:42.360 That's the craziest thing about love. Like love doesn't know any boundaries between races

00:04:46.840 or anything. Yeah. And it's a, it is at least to some degree in involuntary reaction. Like

00:04:54.240 you don't really get to choose. Do you love, you know what I mean? Like it kind of just

00:04:57.800 happens to you and then you're like, ah, shit, I love this chick now. Yeah. That's the tough,

00:05:03.520 that's the toughest part. And then sometimes you don't find out till later kind of, or you

00:05:06.400 realize that you were just kind of messing it up, you know? Yeah. Yeah. No, I know what you

00:05:11.400 mean. I had that with, um, but with my wife and with both my kids in a weird way, where

00:05:17.040 it's almost like, I remember having moments. It's like, you start realizing how deep you

00:05:21.060 are in. And I remember having this one moment with my daughter. I think she was, she must

00:05:25.180 have been like four months old. So like, I'd been a dad for a while and I just haven't

00:05:29.060 like my, my wife was like running the supermarket and I was just like bouncing her on my knee or

00:05:32.620 whatever. And she just, I don't know, she was just like yawned or like looked at me in

00:05:36.220 some way. And I remember just having this realization where I was like, oh shit. Like

00:05:41.560 I love this little baby. And then I was, and then I just started having this panic attack.

00:05:46.000 Like I was like, something bad's going to happen to her one day. Like something, you

00:05:49.680 know, like no one gets through life without something bad happening to them. And I was

00:05:53.320 like, oh my God, like I have to deal with that. It was just like nothing happened. And

00:05:57.160 I had already been in love with her. It's just like, it just hit me. Yeah. Like, oh crap.

00:06:01.340 I'm in real trouble here. I'm in for this gal. Yeah. And I still am. Yeah.

00:06:06.180 That's great, dude. One more year. And then she's on her own, but I'm still, I'm still

00:06:10.480 in. Yeah. I guess that fought like, is a father daughter love different than a father

00:06:15.140 son love? Do you have each gender? I got one of each and yes, it's different. It

00:06:19.060 is. Well, it's like a different, I definitely like, like my wife points it out a lot and

00:06:24.920 I notice it too, but I'm definitely harder on the boy than I am on her. Like there's just

00:06:29.240 kind of a natural thing where you're just a little bit more like you just have a more of

00:06:33.080 a thing. Like, you know, your daughter, when my daughter's three, if she like falls, I'm

00:06:36.460 like, oh, sweetheart, are you okay with my son? I'm like, come on, you're tough. Get

00:06:39.120 up. You know what I mean? Like you just have a little bit more of that. And I definitely

00:06:42.280 have more of like, um, I feel like more of a pressure to be like a role model for my

00:06:49.320 son that I don't feel for my daughter.

00:06:52.320 It's your wife's job.

00:06:53.280 Yeah. And, and also my wife's awesome. She's like, she's really sweet and smart and she's a

00:06:58.820 great person. And so I always kind of felt like with my daughter, I was like, oh, well,

00:07:02.420 she's already got an awesome role model, you know? And like, my job is just like to love

00:07:07.140 her and to provide and protect her and stuff. But with my son, I was like, oh, I got to teach

00:07:12.980 him how to be a man. And then you're like, all right, I better figure out how to be a

00:07:16.340 man real quick so I could teach him, you know, like, I don't know what that means. Um, and

00:07:21.400 I was just like, there's a lot more stuff with having a son as it, it, uh, it, it made

00:07:26.740 me, uh, understand not having a father better in a way you're like, oh, I get there was supposed

00:07:35.380 to be this here that there wasn't, you know? And, um, and so, yeah, it is totally different.

00:07:40.860 Like there's a, there's a different thing. Like having a little girl, like you just like,

00:07:45.440 like, I was just like, she has me wrapped around her little finger. She knows that she always

00:07:50.660 has my son. It's a whole different thing. Um, obviously I love them both equally, you

00:07:55.480 know, it's not like more than the other, but it is a different, a different type of thing.

00:07:58.360 Yeah. No, I've just never thought about it. I never thought about it from like a, yeah,

00:08:01.300 I guess. Yeah. It's like the mom would probably be more of the role model for the daughter.

00:08:05.120 I mean, obviously there's a father daughter relationship, but the, um, but the mom would

00:08:08.580 be more of the role model. I think I'm like, I'm the role model of what her expectation

00:08:15.240 for a man is going to be. I think about that a lot. You know what I mean? I think about

00:08:19.580 that, like the way I treat my wife in front of her and stuff like that. Like, I'm like,

00:08:23.160 I always want to make sure that she, you know, you know, her expectation is that a guy would

00:08:29.040 be really sweet to her and you know, stuff like that. Um, no, but with your boy, you're

00:08:34.640 like, Oh, I'm the one he's going to be like trying to be like, then you're like, Oh man,

00:08:40.360 that's a whole pressure. Don't be like me. Yeah. And you see him one time being like you

00:08:44.620 and you're like, Oh, this kid is screwed. He's just vaping in the yard. I'm off the

00:08:50.880 vapes. I don't vape anymore. Dude, I'm off three. I might be off almost a month right

00:08:55.040 now. I can't even believe it. Were you smoking or vaping? I was vaping. Yeah. I get scared

00:08:59.980 of that shit, man. I did it for so many years too. Yeah. Oh, I'm so risk adverse right now

00:09:05.600 when it comes to vaping. I won't even like any smokestacks. I wouldn't even fly into Newark

00:09:10.660 right now. Like just because it's just the idea that there's some smokestacks in the

00:09:14.620 distance, like anything could, could, uh, set you off. Yeah. You will. You want to get

00:09:18.700 through that, that beginning time for sure. And I'm getting close. So I can kind of feel

00:09:22.360 that we're like, it doesn't even pop into my head. The toughest parts are like, if I'm

00:09:26.120 having a conversation in my car and I'm driving, that's kind of the time I would like it. And

00:09:30.980 then that's also the time where I'm most able to go get one. Cause I'm like, I'm in

00:09:35.580 transit. Right. Right. Yeah. Pick one up. So yeah, I know what you mean. Well, it's

00:09:40.180 as you get older too, like all those, the health things get scarier because it's not

00:09:44.260 so like way off in the future anymore. You're like, Oh, you're like, Oh, but you got to smoke

00:09:49.120 for 30 years before that does. You're like, I'm at 30 years. And you're like, Oh, all right.

00:09:53.860 Oh shoot. All right. But it's a different thing when you're 15, you're like, yeah, in 30 years

00:09:58.260 there's a problem, whatever. Who cares? What idiot would smoke for 30 years? That's what you tell

00:10:03.300 yourself. Yeah. Right. And then you go, if I make it another 30 years, that's fine. Like

00:10:07.160 I've had plenty of life, but actually then you're 45 and you're like, Oh 50, whatever. I

00:10:12.740 got to start a Roth IRA. That's when it gets weird, dude. Everything's getting weird, man.

00:10:19.460 Dave Smith. Good to see you, bro. Yeah, dude. You too, man. Thanks for having me. Yeah. We

00:10:24.240 met up around this time last year. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. As we, it's funny that we set

00:10:29.520 this up like really quickly and they snuck in a regime change war in between when you

00:10:35.040 said it's 48 hours, we planned this and they fit a whole regime change in that 48 hours.

00:10:39.960 Well, it's good to know that they're making them faster. Here we are. And it's happened,

00:10:44.480 man. The crazy, they had that, the photo came out of Maduro and his wife. I guess they picked

00:10:48.240 him up. Well, the, the US plans to run Venezuela and tap its oil reserves. Trump says after operation

00:10:55.160 to oust Maduro, what were the actual, um, hours after an audacious military operation

00:11:01.880 that plucked leader Nicholas Maduro from power and removed him from the country. President

00:11:06.800 Donald Trump said Saturday, the United States would run Venezuela at least temporarily and

00:11:10.940 tap its vast oil reserves to sell to other nations. At least they're being honest about

00:11:14.880 that part. Yeah. It makes you wonder kind of what's going on. What were the exact attacks

00:11:19.220 that happened? Does it say like, did we go kill a bunch of people? Yeah, we definitely

00:11:23.020 killed some people. Um, there were a bunch of attacks, uh, and then there was like an elite,

00:11:28.020 uh, team that went and got, uh, that was able to kidnap Maduro. And I know, so Mike Lee,

00:11:36.040 the Senator posted on Twitter that he had spoke to Marco Rubio and that Marco Rubio had said something

00:11:43.360 like the other attacks were like in service of the mission to get Maduro. So like, I don't know what

00:11:49.400 that, you know, taken out their defenses or something like that. Um, but so, I mean, I don't

00:11:55.940 know even where to start here. Right. But so there's a lot, there's been obviously for, for months

00:12:02.300 now, there's been like, they've been attacking, they've been bombing the boats that they're

00:12:06.220 claiming are drug boats, but they haven't really demonstrated that they are. It's kind of just

00:12:10.300 taking their word for it. Right. And we don't know. You just see this video, you see this footage

00:12:13.860 of like a black and white and then like a, uh, uh, zooming in of a night goggles explosion.

00:12:19.320 Uh, and there was that whole controversial double tap strike where they came back to kill the

00:12:23.540 survivors, which there was a big controversy about, you know, cause that's illegal under

00:12:27.500 international law. You'd have to demonstrate that they were like still in the fight. And then there

00:12:31.240 was, you know, I guess, uh, Pete Hanks had said someone else made the decision, but then they

00:12:35.480 claimed that they were still trying to get in the fight. It's all kind of sketchy. It's not exactly

00:12:39.460 clear. Um, it's, it Marco Rubio, who's the secretary of state and also the national security

00:12:44.680 advisor. And he's had that position for most of the last year. Um, this has been his pet

00:12:50.400 project for a while. He's really wanted to get rid of the, uh, the Maduro regime in

00:12:54.500 Venezuela. The drugs thing has always just been an obvious bullshit pretext. I mean, like

00:12:59.860 there's no, well, if you just look at the numbers, the, the Venezuela is responsible for

00:13:05.060 like a tiny fraction of the drugs that come into America and like almost none of the

00:13:09.420 fentanyl. And if you really had a pro, you know, when people look at like the OD deaths,

00:13:13.240 the fentanyl is really where the action is there. And that's all from Mexico from parts

00:13:18.460 made in China. Then even when like Donald Trump or Vivek Ramaswamy or, or some of these guys

00:13:23.600 would have real tough language about the drug cartels on the campaign trail. It was always

00:13:29.100 the Mexican drug cartels. They were always saying that cause they could at least point to that

00:13:32.920 and say, look, that leads to fentanyl, which leads to all these overdoses. Now those numbers

00:13:37.660 have been going down and getting better. But I think some people, uh, people I love,

00:13:45.580 but, uh, some people have falsely like attributed that to the attacks on these, these boats off the

00:13:51.900 coast of Venezuela, when really all that is, is that there's a secure border now. And so less of

00:13:56.260 the stuff is getting in than was under Joe Biden. Oh, for sure. Um, but so, so then cut to what was

00:14:03.080 it last week? It got, uh, well, I'm going to bring this up. Go ahead. Go ahead. Uh, Venezuela is

00:14:08.660 involved in trafficking cocaine, but current data shows it is responsible for only a small share of

00:14:13.040 the drugs that actually end up in the U S market, especially compared with routes through Mexico and

00:14:16.260 Central America. U S government classifies Venezuela as a major drug transit country,

00:14:20.420 mainly for Columbia cocaine, moving towards the Caribbean, Central America.

00:14:24.600 But even that would be more of a justification to deal with Columbia,

00:14:27.940 right? Then it would be a hundred percent. A DEA fact sheet cited in 2025 reporting

00:14:32.580 says 90% of cocaine reaching the U S is produced in Columbia and enters through Mexico without even

00:14:38.320 mentioning Venezuela as a primary corridor. Um, yeah. And there's some other reasons I want to go

00:14:42.580 into to why people think that we're, what we're doing down there. Um, but yeah, I just wanted to

00:14:46.820 get some of the stats. Sure. Sure. No, that's important. I'm glad you did. Where were you?

00:14:50.740 Well, so last week, if you remember, um, Tucker Carlson had said that, uh, he had, he had a source

00:14:58.480 saying that Donald Trump is Donald Trump was addressing the nation that night. And he had said

00:15:02.640 that Donald Trump's going to announce, you know, an escalation in the war or a declaration of war,

00:15:06.640 which, you know, technically the president can't do, but I guess we're way past that.

00:15:09.980 Yeah. Um, that he was going to announce that he was going in there. And I had a couple,

00:15:14.000 I had a couple of people I know who were like close to it, who said the same thing. And then he

00:15:18.020 didn't, which was kind of strange. And he also like, he interrupted your regularly scheduled

00:15:22.760 programming. Like it was a presidential address to the nation. Yeah. A week ago, but then like,

00:15:27.860 didn't really announce anything. I didn't just announced how great the economy was or something

00:15:31.280 like that. And so then it came this week instead, but this was, look, it's an unbelievably

00:15:37.580 successful operation as of right now. And so that's when maybe I got that wrong. I said last

00:15:43.400 week, I guess it was a couple of weeks ago. On the evening of December 16th, political commentator

00:15:47.320 Tucker Carlson set off a firestorm when he claimed that president Donald Trump was poised to announce

00:15:51.120 US military invasion of Venezuela during his primetime address. Um, but as the hour came and went,

00:15:56.880 no such announcement materialized. President Trump made no mention of Venezuela nor of any military

00:16:00.480 operation targeting the embattled South American nation. What if he did that? Cause he didn't want

00:16:06.460 Carlson to actually have called it. No, it wouldn't have been that, you know, I don't know. I mean,

00:16:10.540 it's like, I don't know. It's possible that he was planning on doing it and then backed out of it.

00:16:16.360 It's possible Tucker got bad information. It's possible that plans just changed or whatever,

00:16:22.140 you know, but, but the thing did come a couple of weeks later. So it does at least seem like

00:16:26.780 there was something that might've been, you know, accurate about it. Um, but look, I mean,

00:16:32.760 I guess first and foremost, this really wasn't an incredible success just in terms of a military

00:16:38.420 operation. Like, Oh, I was shocked. They got it done. And then they checkmated. They took the king

00:16:43.900 and queen dude. There's a, well, that's right. I mean, and okay. So this picture now, and now it

00:16:48.360 looks like he's playing one of those games where those things drop and you have to catch them or

00:16:51.140 whatever. Like Ilya Tepora would be like real good at it. You're like, Whoa, that's how he knocks people out

00:16:55.800 like that. He's got crazy speed. If that's all he was doing. But it's just, this is so, because I

00:17:00.760 first saw this this morning. I was like, who is this? I thought it was like one of those, like,

00:17:03.780 um, the mass singer or whatever they were doing, like at the military or whatever. I was like,

00:17:08.040 who is this? I just couldn't, I couldn't figure out cause I just saw the image. And then I realized,

00:17:12.420 Oh my God, that's a, that's Maduro. So evidently the vice president was in Russia at the time.

00:17:18.960 And the vice president demanded proof that he's, that Maduro is alive. And then Trump tweeted this

00:17:25.460 out. So not clear whether it's like in response to that, like, here's the proof that, that he's

00:17:29.580 alive, but it does seem like they have him and his wife. Um, and I just say like the success of

00:17:34.580 the military operation, like I know there's, um, you know, there's been all types, like historically

00:17:39.500 of, of attempts by the U S and the CIA to, to kill, you know, Saddam Hussein or to kill, uh, um, Castro or

00:17:48.980 all types of other leaders. And they have succeeded in something, Noriega, they got him and whatever,

00:17:53.120 but like, there's been attempts to like kill or capture all types of leaders, but for it to happen

00:17:58.000 like this, like in one day, in one attack, go in and get him. I mean, we, even in, in 2003,

00:18:04.160 I think we were in Iraq for a couple months before we got Saddam Hussein, you know? Um, so they got

00:18:10.380 him. Okay. But one of the things that's so fascinating is like, it's almost like, like the

00:18:17.000 last 25 years don't exist when you go on, like I go on social media today and you just see all the

00:18:22.420 war hawks all got their mission accomplished signs up. Like they're all celebrating, like, look, we got

00:18:28.220 them when really getting them. I mean, look, it's impressive. They did it in one day without like

00:18:33.940 a lot of boots on the ground. You know, we got a real bad-ass military. If people haven't noticed,

00:18:38.620 like the most bad-ass group of, of fighting men that have ever been assembled in human history,

00:18:43.480 but we know we can kill these guys. Like we know we could kill Saddam Hussein. We know we could kill

00:18:49.420 Muammar Gaddafi or, or, uh, Gadda, uh, Gaddafi or Bashar al-Assad. We could get him out of power. It's

00:18:54.480 like, the question is what comes next? That's always the question. And that's the question that DC has

00:18:59.160 always gotten wrong, you know, for 25 straight years. So like to see them celebrating when there's

00:19:04.680 not even the, we have no idea what the hell is going to come next now. And it's not even a

00:19:09.420 situation like Iraq or Afghanistan where we were militarily occupying the country. So it's a lot

00:19:15.900 easier to direct who comes next when your troops are on there. We don't even have that right now.

00:19:20.540 Trump just said he's going to run it. He said, we're going to run it and then we'll decide who to

00:19:24.420 hand it off to. Well, that's fucking vague. I mean, all right. Like what? And, and since when,

00:19:30.100 you know, I listened with a force of like over a hundred thousand troops, substantially more than

00:19:38.240 that, over 200,000 at one point I listened to for 20 straight years, every war hawk in this country

00:19:44.980 lie through their fucking teeth about how capable this Afghan government that we had just built up

00:19:51.180 there was and how, no, I'm not saying Venezuela and Afghanistan are the exact same thing, but I'm

00:19:55.020 just saying like that was with a 20 year military occupation and all this backing and hundreds of

00:20:00.480 billions of dollars of weapons. It fell apart in two days, you know? So like the idea of the monkey

00:20:04.700 bars, remember all that shit? Oh yeah. Like they send that out. They were doing like those tire

00:20:09.380 drills. Yeah. We have, we, our guys lost to that. We were doing, they were doing those like running

00:20:14.920 through the tires, like get your knees up type of shit. Like they were, and they were like,

00:20:18.880 huh? We fucking kind of nailed it there. Didn't we? We had PE teachers over there.

00:20:23.680 Like just, it was unbelievable. And so anyway, I guess it's just like the hubris of just being

00:20:29.640 like, you know, like, look, I don't, I said, people were kind of giving me some of the anti-war

00:20:33.640 people actually were kind of giving me shit today. Cause I just, I posted something on Twitter

00:20:37.420 where I was like, well, I hope this works well, but like I do, I hope it works out well. Like I'd,

00:20:43.480 I, I, I would take it working out real well and then, okay, that doesn't look as good for the

00:20:48.040 non-interventionist types like me. Like, see, this one works. Well, okay. It's already done now.

00:20:52.260 So like, I hope it works out, but to watch people celebrating as if it's a given that,

00:20:57.520 that it's going to work out. It's like, it's dude. So you're, and by the way, we didn't,

00:21:01.920 at least as of now, Donald Trump kind of like diminished the opposition leader and is at least

00:21:08.080 floating out the idea that the, the vice president can like, kind of maintain a transitional control.

00:21:13.660 So we haven't even overthrown the communists or anything like that yet. And the idea that.

00:21:19.660 Right. So what exactly is being done? That's the biggest question. Cause he was arrested on

00:21:23.560 narco terrorism. This is Del, that's Del. And gun charges. And evidently U.S. gun control

00:21:29.900 covers Venezuela. Now there's a couple of theories of why we're even doing this. Right. Um, one of the

00:21:36.580 reasons is because there's certain countries that are outside of, um, like our kind of

00:21:43.100 comfort grid. Right. And there's certain countries that are outside of our banking system. Yes. Yeah.

00:21:48.580 Right. And Venezuela is one of those. Yep. And so, and they also control a lot of oil. Well,

00:21:54.420 so in, in a weird way, like what I, one of the things I like to do with these, with these wars is

00:21:59.500 like, you can kind of peel away the excuses. So, you know, for, for what, so when people, uh, you know,

00:22:05.920 say, Oh, we're, we're fighting the war in Iraq to spread democracy or something like that. And then

00:22:10.440 you could go, okay, so we're close allies with Saudi Arabia and the UAE and like all these other

00:22:17.360 countries, but we have an issue about democracy and no, sorry, that's bullshit because if it was,

00:22:22.820 or then they'll say like, Oh, we have to support Ukraine because of Vladimir Putin's human rights abuses.

00:22:28.160 And you're like, wait, human rights abuses, but you sent $25 billion to Netanyahu in the last two

00:22:34.400 years. Like, nah, I don't think human rights abuses is really the issue. And then even they'll say

00:22:38.500 like, well, it's because they're socialists. And it's like, we've been arming the Kurds in Iraq and

00:22:43.580 Syria for decades now, also socialists. So like, nah, I actually don't think, so it's like, you kind of

00:22:49.240 can peel away some of these bullshit excuses and then go, what's it really about? And I got my best

00:22:55.260 guess on this is that two things I think play huge influence in this. Number one, Donald Trump,

00:23:01.500 who always seems to just see a deal. And that's all, you know, like in his mind, he seems to think

00:23:07.400 his military is telling him, we can take this guy out and put our people in. And then I could get

00:23:11.700 huge oil sales. And then I could turn around and say, look how good this economy is. And we win the

00:23:16.720 midterm elections and whatever. He always has like, he's, yeah, I can sell Trump oil. I can sell like

00:23:21.820 baby oil. Yeah. Right. Trump. I can sell. Yeah. The new gold shoes. Like when the gold shoes came

00:23:27.280 out? Yeah. He looks at Gaza while the rest of us are all like crying for the baby who's being

00:23:33.300 crushed to death by cement and screaming for his mother who can't come help him because there's

00:23:37.520 no bulldozers in Gaza. We look at that and go, oh my God, the human tragedy. Donald Trump and Jared

00:23:42.260 Kutcher see beachfront property. Like that's like where their mind goes. They're like, God,

00:23:46.200 that baby's ruining this bulldozer's opportunity. No one's going to want to relax with a

00:23:50.240 Mai Tai with this crying baby. We got to get this baby out of here. So they, so they're not like,

00:23:56.120 they're not like ethnically cleansing because they believe in greater Israel. They want to

00:24:00.040 ethnically cleanse so that rich people can enjoy a sunset on the beach. There's just always got to

00:24:04.080 be a better place to have a Mai Tai. Yeah. Right. So anyway, but then the other thing,

00:24:09.100 and I do think this is a real part of it is that Marco Rubio is Cuban and they're also allied with

00:24:14.940 Cuba. Now, a lot of this, a lot of this stuff with like the allies, it's kind of like,

00:24:18.700 if you heard any, you know, like the BRICS agreement stuff that that's like really advanced

00:24:23.140 over the last few years. Is that the stuff with China? China and Russia and all them. So like

00:24:27.000 what happens is that if you're, the U S is the world empire, the most powerful empire in the history

00:24:32.060 of the world. So if you're on the outs with us, you kind of have no choice other than to make

00:24:37.700 friends with the other people who are on the outs with us. Cause those are like your only options

00:24:41.380 left. Like that's actually why Fidel Castro went communist to begin with, because he was enemies with

00:24:47.580 the United States of America. And so what were you going to do? Right. You got to ally with the

00:24:51.240 Soviet union. That's like have some boys, right? That's it's like going to prison, right? You got

00:24:54.340 to join one gang or the other. And so a lot of them, they end up having friendly relations,

00:24:58.900 but the belief is, and they've said this quiet part out loud a bunch of times. I don't know

00:25:03.740 if this is true or not, but they think that the, the regime in Cuba will fall as a result of this

00:25:11.040 regime being overthrown. And there's a whole bunch of Cubans in America, Marco Rubio being one of

00:25:16.540 them who understandably really hate socialism in Cuba, but remember it as like a successful

00:25:22.720 country before then, even though I think Rubio was actually ruined before the cash, his family was

00:25:26.920 like Cuba was actually ruined. You mean? No, no, no. I think Marco Rubio, if I'm remembering this

00:25:30.800 correctly, his family got kicked out by like the Batista regime, or they had some beef with them,

00:25:34.860 but they would, but they, they want to overthrow the communists. Like I want to, I want to get done

00:25:39.460 what my parents wanted to get done type of energy. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. And you know,

00:25:44.020 which is somewhat understandable. I just think like you should be upfront with that and not try

00:25:47.440 to use the U S military to like live out your personal fantasy in a weird way. It's a similar

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00:28:33.720 Yeah, it's like you kind of get Trump in there and he is a boss. You know what I'm saying? The dude is

00:28:38.560 like, you almost want to say merciless. I don't know if that's the word.

00:28:43.080 Yeah. Um, I mean, he's, he's, he's, he's him. I mean, he's exactly, I don't even fucking know how

00:28:51.800 to describe him, dude. Um, but, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's almost like, I don't even

00:28:56.640 know how to describe things. Well, he's a different kind of person, man, than almost anybody else for

00:29:00.900 good and for bad. One of the, um, one of the things you just said that was, uh, just about the

00:29:05.540 Venezuela thing. There was another article, a guy was talking about, uh, a paper tiger and it was kind of a

00:29:11.940 challenge to the BRICS countries, like to that outside group. And, uh, first I want to get,

00:29:17.580 what is a paper tiger? Hold on. As perplexity, what is a paper tiger? Well, something that appears

00:29:22.040 to be ferocious, but is really just, you know, like made, made of paper. Like the idea is that

00:29:27.300 like, oh yeah, you, you present yourself as strong and powerful, but you're really weak. It's like a

00:29:31.380 bluff. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And foreign policy, a paper tiger is a state alliance or threat that looks

00:29:35.880 militarily or politically powerful from the outside, but is actually weak, limited or unwilling to act

00:29:40.020 when challenged. Um, I always love that by the way, which is like, if they're a paper tiger,

00:29:44.300 then why the hell we got to fight wars against them then, you know, like essentially, because

00:29:47.640 this is what they always said about Russia. They'd say in, in one breath, John McCain would say,

00:29:52.700 Russia is just a gas station with nukes. So they would go, all they are is this, you know,

00:29:58.580 they got some gas and they got some nukes, but they got no economy and they got this tiny GDP.

00:30:02.900 And then in the next breath, all the hawks go, if we don't fund Ukraine, they're going to take over

00:30:07.800 Poland and reconstitute the Soviet union. You're like, well, I thought they were weak.

00:30:11.820 Yeah. So like, which one is it? Are they taking over all of Europe or are they not? Because if

00:30:15.960 they're, if they're weak, then maybe we don't really need to worry about them.

00:30:18.980 Yeah. There's all, there's a lot of hypocrisy that goes on, you know, I mean, it's constant.

00:30:22.540 This guy had just an interesting take. I thought just about this stuff,

00:30:25.720 then we can get it out of our system. The Venezuelan issue is both crucial test of paper tiger

00:30:31.320 quality on the part of all the great powers. Now China, Russia, and the United States. China knows

00:30:38.500 very well that the fentanyl excuse to stop the alleged fentanyl trade into the United States

00:30:45.520 is used by Trump to mobilize for war against Venezuela, where China is the largest of them

00:30:52.880 international investors. If China and Russia let the US make a regime change, just kill

00:31:00.580 President Maduro and destroy the Venezuelan government and replace it with Mrs. Machado

00:31:06.660 or something else. What's the credibility of the two of the three powers in BRICS to assist

00:31:13.440 anyone, even themselves? That's the paper tiger aspect. If it's the case that neither China nor

00:31:20.620 Russia can deter, nor BRICS, Brazil, India, and the others, Iran can deter the United States from

00:31:28.160 destroying, invading Venezuela and destroying its sovereign government. If they can't, then

00:31:34.240 BRICS is a paper tiger too.

00:31:37.920 Just kind of interesting.

00:31:39.000 It is interesting.

00:31:40.320 All the little things that could be a part of it, right? Because it does, it does just seem

00:31:43.840 kind of confusing. Like most people could not pick out where Venezuela is on a map, right?

00:31:48.480 Yeah.

00:31:48.640 Most of us had never even, um, thought of Maduro or heard of him before, uh, probably within the

00:31:54.720 past month, right? Unless you like, you know, I mean, he's had a very interesting story is like

00:31:58.860 coming up as a bus driver and being like a man of the people and everything, but then seemingly

00:32:03.100 getting compromised and like overwhelmed by wealth and power over time. Um, and then like a lot of

00:32:08.960 his influences and stuff were very like socialist influencers and stuff like that. And so, uh, but

00:32:14.000 but then, but like also to your point, like imagine, you know, when you're saying so many people

00:32:19.340 couldn't have, you know, picked this out on pick Venezuela out on a map or something like that.

00:32:24.000 I mean, if you just think, right. So we, I was here a year ago with you, how drastically

00:32:29.940 different things are just a year ago. I mean, like a year ago, Donald Trump had his highest

00:32:36.460 approval ratings that he's ever had. He was the greatest political comeback story in American

00:32:41.200 history. Just something that was totally like, it was amazing the way he not only came back

00:32:46.580 from like, say where he was right after January 6th, when the question was, whether he's going to go

00:32:51.420 to jail and going through all the trials and getting shot and then to not only come back and

00:32:55.240 win the popular vote and win every swing state, but he won the culture. He won the youth. It would

00:33:00.740 have been like, it would have seemed impossible just a few years earlier. Black kids are calling

00:33:04.760 him daddy. Literally black kids. John Jones is doing the Trump dance at Madison square garden.

00:33:09.960 We were both there that night. Um, and, uh, just a crazy, uh, crazy thing. Right. And now,

00:33:16.620 you know, he's, he's totally like divided his base. There's an infight in the repub,

00:33:21.080 all this stuff. But anyway, so a year ago when people were so excited about Donald Trump coming

00:33:26.520 in, you never met one Trump supporter in your life who went, now we're going to get regime change

00:33:32.500 in Venezuela. That's why I'm excited that Donald Trump's here. I mean, people wanted no new wars.

00:33:37.360 They wanted the border secure. They wanted the economy turned around. They wanted inflation dealt

00:33:41.640 with nothing. There was never, there was no demand from Trump's base. And so this is like one more

00:33:47.860 example of Donald Trump just siding with the war Hawks over his own people. And one of the things

00:33:54.100 that really, I find it like to be so it's, it's such a, like a, an intolerable humiliation

00:34:00.340 of Donald Trump supporters is that all these guys, the war Hawks, Mark, Marco Rubio, Ben Shapiro,

00:34:09.120 Mark Levin, like go down the list. All of them, Ted Cruz, every last one of them,

00:34:13.520 they were the never Trumpers. Like, I don't know if maybe some people just weren't paying

00:34:18.740 attention to politics as long as I've been. They were the never Trumpers, anyone but Donald Trump.

00:34:24.540 They ran a front page, uh, cover of national review saying never Trump, anyone, but Donald

00:34:32.620 Trump, all of them. Ben Shapiro said on issues of, uh, because it's a matter of principle,

00:34:37.180 I will never vote for Donald Trump. He said he would hold his nose and allow Hillary Clinton

00:34:42.100 to be, uh, uh, elected president before he sent his, at the time, massive audience to support

00:34:48.360 Donald Trump. And now Donald Trump turns around and makes little Marco, his national security

00:34:54.500 advisor. Remember how he embarrassed him on the, in the debates? Yep. And he called him little Marco.

00:34:58.920 He used to tear him apart. And you know what he used to say, man? Oh dude, I hope I'm getting

00:35:03.180 this right. There was, I believe there's a tweet. You could probably find it where Donald Trump said

00:35:07.960 something like Sheldon Adelson will be able to control little Marco. And that's why you can't

00:35:14.740 let him be president. And that's the, the guy, the lady's husband. Yeah, he died, but Miriam Adelson

00:35:19.940 is still alive and they're his biggest donors. They've given him like hundreds of millions of

00:35:25.420 dollars. Yeah. It's, it's a, and that's, I don't even think that like, if you counted the money for

00:35:30.300 his first run, his second run and the midterms, they're, they're probably close to a billion dollars

00:35:35.840 that they've given. Look at this tweet right there. Sheldon Adelson is looking to give big

00:35:40.380 dollars to Rubio because he feels he can mold him into his perfect little puppet. Wow. I agree.

00:35:46.340 He says, okay. He agrees with that. Just to be clear, this is, and this is just a fact. This is

00:35:50.800 2015. Nobody, nobody has been molded into more of a puppet for the Adelsons than Donald Trump and

00:35:59.620 Donald Trump now, which the, I know you've probably seen a couple of it. It, it's so crazy. It almost,

00:36:05.040 and I'm not saying this is the case. I don't think this is the case, but it almost seems like

00:36:09.960 Donald Trump is like mocking them when he'll talk about how much they just care about Israel.

00:36:17.980 Like he'll open, he goes out of his way about who, that who just cares about Israel.

00:36:21.900 Miriam Adelson and Sheldon Adelson that he'll go, they gave me a lot of money and they called me all

00:36:27.020 the time and they always come by and they're always asking for something and it's always for Israel.

00:36:31.180 And I do it all. I give it all to it. Like he's just openly telling you that these, look,

00:36:36.280 Miriam Adelson is a Palestinian, Theo. She was born before the creation of the state of Israel

00:36:42.480 in what is today Israel. Am I right about this? What year? Born in 1945 in, yeah, you could say

00:36:48.560 Israeli American, but there's no such thing as Israel in 1945. Israel wasn't created until 1948.

00:36:54.420 She was born in Palestine. She was born in Tel Aviv, mandatory Palestine. Mandatory Palestine.

00:36:59.220 Right. So anyway, so she's from there now. Is this a new term, mandatory Palestine? It was a term

00:37:04.520 at the time. It was. It was a term at the time where they, uh, they basically like, they were like,

00:37:09.320 you know, we're not doing imperialism anymore. We're just doing mandates. It's mandates where

00:37:14.900 we come in and run the country and we'll take some of the resources too, but. It's just such an

00:37:19.600 interesting term, mandatory Palestine. Um, okay. Um, so she was, that's where she was born

00:37:24.900 though. She was, let me just say about him. So my land, she was Palestinian. Yes. So now he

00:37:28.680 was born in America, but. Who, Sheldon? Yeah. Sheldon was born in America. He's black or no?

00:37:33.800 No, he's not black. Actually, Jewish fella. He, he is on record saying that his biggest regret in life

00:37:39.640 is that he wore the American military uniform and not the IDF uniform. So these are like Israel

00:37:46.180 firsters openly and Donald Trump says as much. Oh yeah. Well he just, I mean, Donald Trump is

00:37:52.100 deaf, you know, like they just had an announcement the other day or he was in a, um, he was at a

00:37:58.300 event where they, he said he was Israel's best president. They said you're Israel's best

00:38:02.320 president. Mark Levin said he's the first Jewish president. Um, it's wild. By the way, Mark Levin

00:38:07.480 called me a Nazi. He did? Uh, yeah. Uh, yeah. Two days ago on Twitter. No, he called me a neo-Nazi

00:38:12.980 to be fair. Oh, that's cool. Which is nicer. Well, new. Yeah. Like he wasn't actually claiming

00:38:17.200 that I was a member of Hitler's, you know, national socialist workers party. Yeah. That's

00:38:23.840 impossible. First of all, for you to pull off. And second of all, neo-Nazis, I don't think

00:38:28.240 it's, it's not even determined what they're going to do with their whole plan yet. Yeah.

00:38:31.760 No, we're still working on it. Yeah. You gotta play that out. You gotta play that out. But

00:38:35.280 it is a funny, like I'm literally all, um, essentially my politics are all just like,

00:38:40.260 uh, like I'm against, I'm against wars and government. Like I just want government to

00:38:45.160 have less power and fight less wars, which is strikingly similar to Adolf Hitler. As everybody

00:38:49.980 knows, that was what he was known for too. But that's the biggest, that's the biggest weapon

00:38:55.240 though. I mean, even Tucker was talking about this. It's the biggest weapon of, um, people

00:39:00.680 like him, I guess, to just call you Hitler or to call you an anti-Semite. It's just like,

00:39:06.440 it's, I don't know. And it's a weapon that's kind of out of bullets a lot of times, you know?

00:39:10.180 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We've talked about that before, about how it's just been used so much.

00:39:13.640 What is this part right here? Uh, and these people do like Israel. Hold on.

00:39:21.940 And he loves Israel too.

00:39:23.860 Two seconds. Six years ago, I was up here and I said, this is our first Jewish president.

00:39:37.180 Now he's the first Jewish president to serve two not, not consecutive presidencies. We thank you for

00:39:46.160 everything. Like there's another one? No, well he's saying like that he lost and then came back in,

00:39:51.880 that he served two terms, but like you could have just said serve two terms. Like what's,

00:39:55.360 what was the, and also he is like, which is very weird to see done to Trump, but a lot of people

00:40:00.480 are making it. He's kind of like big dogging them. Like he's like, you know, like kind of pulling him

00:40:04.180 closer. It's all very bizarre, but yeah, it's true. Donald Trump is, uh, the most pro-Israel

00:40:11.500 president of American history. There's no question about that. But the thing is that like what's omitted

00:40:17.040 there is that actually all the other presidents were pro-Israel too. They would just have some

00:40:23.220 demands on Israel. Like they would just go like, Hey, could you just stop doing this? Because this

00:40:28.820 is a huge problem for us. And then Israel wouldn't stop doing that. And then they would get annoyed

00:40:33.420 at them. And then, so like, uh, then there's lots of examples like this, like both George HW Bush

00:40:38.060 and Barack Obama made a big thing out of asking him to stop building, uh, settlements on the West

00:40:42.920 bank. Could you just not do that? Cause you're expanding these settlements, causing all these

00:40:46.680 problems. The whole international, you know, community is outraged by it. And then they just

00:40:51.040 wouldn't stop. Yeah. That's one of the things that caused a lot of, uh, rifts over the years too,

00:40:55.240 was just the taking over of Palestinians homes, like people walking in and it was known. It's not

00:41:00.580 a debated thing. Oh, it's on video. Yeah. There's tons of video of it. So it was just,

00:41:04.360 but it was walking in and taking over native Palestinians homes, just taking it over and kicking them

00:41:08.160 out. And I think after 30 years of that, it just became too much for people. Yeah. So, well,

00:41:14.280 the one poll I saw was, they said it was before October 7th. They said, uh, who do you, uh,

00:41:19.600 sympathize with more? The Israelis or the Palestinians? And it was plus 48% pro Israel.

00:41:25.220 And then, uh, taken like a couple months ago, it was a plus one for the Palestinians. So it was a 50

00:41:32.100 point collapse, right? So anyway, we had speculated because Israel's in this situation where

00:41:37.800 everybody's turning on them because they just committed a genocide in 4k and forced us to fund

00:41:42.360 it. And we're all appalled by that. But at the same time, they have the most pro Israel president

00:41:48.840 in right now. So they could look at the writing on the wall and go, this is the best opportunity we

00:41:53.260 have right now. And then a lot of us, and I said this on Rogan last time I was there, I go, they

00:41:57.440 might move to annex the West bank, like to formally just take the whole thing. Cause now is their best

00:42:01.600 opportunity to do it. Now, Trump came out and said kind of unprompted. It was in a Politico article.

00:42:07.800 He said, uh, someone asked him about that and said, what? And he goes, no, I will not let Israel

00:42:13.440 annex the West bank. And so they go, well, what are you going to do if they did annex the West bank?

00:42:17.720 And he actually said they would lose support from America if they annexed the West bank.

00:42:22.500 And then, and we say annex the West bank, it means take it over completely. Just take it over and claim

00:42:26.260 it as part of Israel, which by the way, they've in effect already done, but they haven't formally done

00:42:30.500 it. Okay. So now this, so this is the Politico piece. So then cut to a month later,

00:42:36.580 J.D. Vance is in Israel and the Knesset holds a vote over annexing the West bank and it passes.

00:42:46.100 They intentionally, now this was like kind of a symbolic vote or whatever, but they, Donald Trump,

00:42:51.280 who's been the most pro-Israel president goes, I'll, I'll fund your genocide. I'll arm your genocide.

00:42:57.280 I'll bomb around for you. I'll shoot down the Iranian missiles coming back at Israel in response.

00:43:02.900 We'll, we'll bomb the Houthis for you. We'll go all you bomb the, the, um, the negotiators of a deal

00:43:10.360 I'm trying to make and I'll still work with you. You'll still get funding one request. Just don't

00:43:16.020 annex the West bank. And they go, Nope. And we're going to intentionally vote that way while your vice

00:43:22.180 president is here, just to let you know that you get, that we run this shit and you don't. And that

00:43:28.880 for all the billions, for all the billions you give us, we're still in charge. It's just too

00:43:34.100 crazy, man. Fucking gangster. It is gangster. You got to admit that. I mean, Oh dude, you have

00:43:38.940 to also, there's a, there's like a gangster part of you that's like, fuck these motherfuckers are

00:43:44.140 not playing, dude. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, no question about it, man. And that's all it is. That's all

00:43:48.980 any government is at the highest level is gangster shit. And that's, uh, they are really, really good

00:43:54.800 at it. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty fascinating. Um, let's talk about like, so it's been a year since

00:44:01.260 Trump's been in, you said some of his base is kind of split. Now it does feel a little bit like

00:44:05.520 there's like this, how do you feel like Trump's done in his first year? Like what are things he's

00:44:10.900 done that you like? And obviously I think he's been terrible and I, I assumed he probably would

00:44:15.580 be a disappointment and I supported him last year just cause I thought like all things being

00:44:20.220 considered. It was better for our country that he win than Kamala Harris win. Um, and also the

00:44:24.860 Democrats just so deserve to lose. Like they, you just can't reward that. Well, Kamalia, I just saw

00:44:30.480 the senile president and they all pretended we didn't. It's just too crazy. That was too crazy.

00:44:34.680 They also like, I mean, they're look, I mean, they're, they're policy on COVID their policy on

00:44:40.580 Ukraine. And then don't forget they were a full year into back in the genocide when it happened. So

00:44:46.580 they were, you know, they, they deserve to lose. Donald Trump has done a really good job

00:44:51.440 in securing the border. Right. You know, we had a really open border under Joe Biden. We have a

00:44:56.220 secure border now. Aside from that, it's just been disastrous. I mean, I just couldn't, and not even

00:45:04.300 just disastrous, like the policy was wrong, but just the way they handled it. I mean, the handling of

00:45:09.580 the Epstein scandal is got to, that goes down in history as like the worst handling of a scandal I've

00:45:15.740 ever seen. Literally from all these guys running on, we're going to release this stuff. Pam Bondi

00:45:21.740 having that thing where she gave the influencers, the binders, there was nothing in them that was

00:45:28.100 new. And then they pivoted on a dime to, there's no such thing. I don't even know what you're

00:45:33.680 talking about. You're crazy to think there was a thing to be released. Like it was, and then to

00:45:37.760 turn around and then they turn around and Mike Johnson said it will end the political order. If we vote

00:45:43.760 for Thomas Massey and Roquehanna and Marjorie Taylor Greene's bill to release the files,

00:45:47.760 and then they turn around and get pressured into voting for it. And now they're just redacting

00:45:53.200 everything. And like, it's just, I mean, just, he lost so much credibility on that. Obviously the,

00:45:58.480 I think bombing around was terrible. Well, let's go one thing at a time.

00:46:02.300 Sure, sure, sure. The Epstein, so look, so yeah, bring up some of those pictures that they just

00:46:05.600 released too. What, what, what was with the photo drop right before Christmas? It's all so bizarre.

00:46:11.560 Like, what is that a picture about? If you're a married guy, you know what I'm saying? Like,

00:46:15.760 what are you doing there? Yeah. I mean like. You're a married 60 year old guy. Yeah. Listen,

00:46:21.280 I'm, I'm never going to be in a position with some chick like that. I'm a married guy. That's

00:46:25.140 a weird thing. Yeah. I mean, now again, it doesn't give us that much more information and we don't

00:46:28.820 see her face, but sure does look a lot younger than him. Yeah. Go through some of these. I mean,

00:46:32.860 this is kind of, I mean, it's all just kind of wild. Kevin Spacey and Bill Clinton there.

00:46:38.480 And was this at Epstein Island? Allegedly. Allegedly.

00:46:45.180 And there's some photos. This is the best thing. Look at these photos, everything redacted

00:46:49.060 in them. Here's a, these could be photos from anybody's phone, everything redacted. And then

00:46:54.680 one Mark of the beast or something from Zodiac killer on the one that he'd drawn on. Yeah.

00:46:58.740 Just bizarre. I mean, it just like, it's so strange. Why, why would they just show us some

00:47:04.420 of this stuff right before the holidays? Are they just trying to like everything? Now

00:47:09.060 you start to, you have to think, is this like, is it trying to distract my attention from

00:47:14.260 something else? You know? And the news reports, they don't even tell you about the real shit

00:47:18.080 that's going on anyway. Yeah. So the most of the stuff that's happening, here's the crazy

00:47:21.480 part. We don't even know anymore. Like most of the most serious shit that's going on.

00:47:26.540 Right. Yeah. We don't even have a clue. Well, I think part of the thing, look, the Epstein,

00:47:32.140 the whole story is so like, it's so dirty. I like, it just stinks. I mean, you just look

00:47:39.160 at it and you're like, dude, look, we know what we know, but knowing what we know, how

00:47:43.280 could you possibly piece this together that it's not some huge scandal? I mean, like already

00:47:47.360 when you just go, okay, so there's a guy who was convicted of pedophilia or convicted

00:47:52.340 of soliciting prostitution from an underage girl, you know, then a decade after he's

00:47:59.920 convicted or at least eight years after he's still like in the most influential circles

00:48:05.620 with all these. And then for national security reasons, you're telling me that this has to

00:48:10.480 be hugely redacted. Like what the hell? This just makes no sense. And his connections to

00:48:15.740 Ehud Barak and Mossad now all being known, it's just too crazy. And Donald Trump, I mean,

00:48:21.420 I think, I think, I think covering up the Epstein thing, the way he has, has like profoundly hurt

00:48:27.780 him in a way that isn't even measurable on polls. And like his poll numbers are lower than they were.

00:48:33.640 And I'm sure that's a big part of it, but there is something where like, look, the, the fundamental

00:48:38.340 animating spirit of Donald Trump's political existence, his, his central promise was drain the

00:48:47.580 swamp. You know, like the, the reason why people love Donald Trump is because everybody on some

00:48:53.820 level knew that DC is just corrupt as shit and that they're screwing all the rest of us over and

00:49:00.240 they face no consequences for it. And there's something about covering up the Epstein thing

00:49:06.260 that it's like, Oh, when it really came down to it, you didn't want to drain the swamp. You wanted

00:49:11.040 to protect them and maybe cause you're pretty close to it. You're a gator. Yeah. Oh, it's just

00:49:17.180 so twisted. And one thing that Tucker Carlson said that was interesting to me. Um, yeah, I mean,

00:49:22.200 some of this stuff is just, I mean, weird writings from the Lolita books on these women's bodies.

00:49:28.580 Very strange. I mean, that's really wild. Oh, just bizarre. Noam Chomsky, legendary anti-war

00:49:37.460 leftist. Steve jobs. I'm sorry. Not Steve jobs. Uh, Bill Gates. I apologize for that. Steve a couple

00:49:47.660 bow and arrows. Um, but yeah, just bizarre that these would come out right before Christmas. It

00:49:52.480 kind of like keeps your attention focusing on that. And also it's like a drip. It's like a morphine drip

00:49:57.360 and delivered in a way that is more confusing than illuminating. You know what I mean? Delivered

00:50:02.740 in a way where nobody's attempting to actually get information to you that you can even try. I mean,

00:50:08.240 like, obviously like good journalists will be tearing through these documents. I think they said

00:50:11.080 there's like 1.7 million more to come. The journalists will be tearing through these for years,

00:50:15.640 but like, I think you just can't lost after a while. Well, also I can't look, man, I know,

00:50:21.460 I know people get, people get tribal about politics. And I know like there was a whole,

00:50:25.940 when I came out like a little over a year ago and I said, I was going to support Donald Trump

00:50:29.940 in the election. I know that Trump people were like, yeah, Dave Smith's on board. And then,

00:50:33.180 and I always knew, I was like, listen guys, you're going to be mad at me when he does something I

00:50:36.740 don't like. And I'm back to criticizing them. But like, if we're just being fair about this,

00:50:40.980 I just, I can't not say this shit, dude, cash Patel and Dan Bongino made millions of dollars,

00:50:48.260 dude. Like they made so much goddamn money. I mean, I don't know. Cash did a lot of big shows.

00:50:52.040 Dan Bongino had a huge show. He made millions of dollars all day long talking about this Epstein

00:50:58.520 scandal, how they were going to get to the bottom of it. He even said, Dan Bongino, the,

00:51:03.200 I guess he's leaving now, but the deputy FBI director even said on Tim Pool's show that he

00:51:08.800 had it on good authority that Jeffrey Epstein was connected to Middle Eastern intelligence.

00:51:14.980 Now, which Middle Eastern intelligence do you think he was talking about? Which middle,

00:51:18.740 Epstein was surely working on the Saudi payroll or something like that. Like, yeah. Okay. So like

00:51:24.420 they said this, they promised they were going to get to, and not just did jack shit lied through

00:51:28.740 their fucking teeth, told us there were no co-conspirators. There was no sex trafficking

00:51:33.700 that he killed himself. Like, Hey, cash Patel, uh, Dan Bongino, you, you looked me in the eye,

00:51:41.300 not to me, but to the American people and said, he killed himself. I've seen the proof.

00:51:46.380 Why can't we see that proof? Yeah. I don't even know if cash can look somebody in the eye,

00:51:50.100 first of all, guess you looked all of us in the eye simultaneously. When you, it is funny. When

00:51:54.820 you start to look at cash Patel, you're like, there's no way this was the guy. How did we ever

00:51:59.760 think this was the guy? Um, and Tim Dillon has, Tim Dillon has totally kind of like, Tim Dillon has

00:52:06.400 brought this guy's life down, but to a manageable level, to a realistic level. Like, yeah, those guys,

00:52:12.220 it makes you realize that there's, there's a, there's something above the FBI and the CIA

00:52:16.840 that gives them what they, then you're allowed to work from here. Yeah. Here's the, it's like you

00:52:23.620 sit at the, uh, kids table at Thanksgiving and you, you play with these, you know, we'll give you,

00:52:28.640 you can do the drug charges and a little bit of this and that. And, but otherwise we're going to

00:52:32.520 handle the big shit. That's right. That's right. Or it's, it's either that they were, they never

00:52:37.000 really got in control and there was a level of control above them or that they were lying

00:52:41.800 and that they, or that they sold out or that they were compromised, but there's some answer

00:52:46.260 to it. But there is something where like, you just, the credibility damage on all of them,

00:52:53.280 like, like just the amount of like street cred that cash Patel had a year ago compared to now.

00:52:58.640 And Trump too, I think all of them, but some of it is also, I think is, um, it's the communication,

00:53:04.160 right? It's like, why not come and say, Hey, I got in here. I'm not even allowed to see the

00:53:10.340 things that I really want to see. And I'm also not allowed to say the things that I really want

00:53:14.680 to say. Yeah. Right. Like if you said that, or if you said like, honestly, there's so many,

00:53:20.780 this, this Epstein stuff has, has to go through so many hands before we can even put anything out

00:53:25.040 to the public so that everybody can safely get their stuff for that, that, uh, that it's

00:53:29.640 unbelievable. And the best we're ever going to get is this.

00:53:32.360 Well, the other thing, the other thing that, um, because didn't he say that they'd seen

00:53:35.820 everything and there was nothing there? Yeah. Yeah. Can you pull that up? I think he said

00:53:39.540 also now they're saying there's 1.7 million documents. Like, did you go through all of

00:53:44.140 those yourself? Like, are you confident? Yes. He did say that. You and Dan had a sleepover

00:53:47.980 or whatever and just stayed up on that going through those. And you also just know, right?

00:53:51.820 Like, it's like, you know, if he had come on Rogan a year earlier, you know, he would have been

00:53:56.500 saying a whole different thing about that. And so it's like, you got to at least explain to me,

00:54:00.220 like what changed from there to now? Cause otherwise you leave us just speculating.

00:54:04.000 Like, I don't know, dude, either you're compromised or you got put in your place or you, or you're

00:54:08.020 just a liar and a fraud. Yeah. Let me see what clips. Oh, here's a clip we have. This, this,

00:54:12.740 uh, this is a Tim Dillon. Uh, there's a cash Patel Rogan clip that Tim Dillon covers. This is,

00:54:17.240 this is, this is good. Tell talking about why they can't put the Epstein stuff out. Cause it

00:54:23.800 will re-victimize the women. We're not going to re-victimize women. What? We're not going

00:54:29.680 to put that shit back up. It's not happening. Cause then he wins. Not doing it. Who wins?

00:54:35.080 He's dead. That's too ridiculous, man. I mean, play it. Look, the victim. If there was a video

00:54:42.220 of some guy or gal committing felonies, and I'm in charge, don't you think you'd see it? Yes. But

00:54:52.140 that's, that's why everyone's confused. Pam Bondi said there were videos. She's the attorney general.

00:54:57.100 She goes, there's hundreds of hours of video. That's a quote from Pam, but get the Pam Bondi

00:55:00.020 quote up, but the videos, there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children

00:55:03.460 or child porn and there are hundreds of victims. So that's Pam Bondi. Now let's go to Cash Patel who

00:55:08.180 goes, um, so if there were things, let's go. Cash Patel, everyone. If there was a video,

00:55:13.720 don't you think you'd see it? If you have access to it? If I have it, period. If I have it, if I

00:55:19.960 have it, you got it. So where else would it be? It's just, this is why, dude, this is why Tim's a

00:55:27.420 better comedian than me. Cause he could just be so funny with this shit. And I'm just, it just makes

00:55:31.440 me so angry. Like even just watching that, I'm just like furious. So I don't even think of the funny

00:55:36.140 thing to say. I'm just like, yeah, because dude, what does that essentially come down to? Trust me?

00:55:41.280 Don't, if I had it, don't you think I would? And then, and what is Cash really trading in his trust

00:55:46.060 for is we liked you because you said you were going to get to the bottom of this shit. That's

00:55:50.800 the whole thing we liked you for. So you can't turn around and then go, and now I'm here, but

00:55:54.840 wouldn't, you know me. I mean, I would, and look, dude, it's, it's, there's a broader thing that's

00:55:59.620 involved here. Right. The point is that the drain, the swamp cash Patel, Dan Bongino, their

00:56:06.240 whole brand, the whole thing was that, look, there are these criminals in DC and look at

00:56:11.820 all the things that they've done. And, and they would all talk. It wasn't just, uh, Epstein.

00:56:16.200 They would all talk about Russiagate, the 2020 election. I mean, look what these guys are claiming.

00:56:21.140 And I don't know about the 2020 election, but they're 100% right on Russiagate and Epstein when

00:56:25.680 they were talking about it before they sold out is that they go, look, the intelligence agencies

00:56:31.800 framed a presidential candidate. And then the sitting president, they framed him of treason

00:56:39.660 in order to unseat a democratically elected president of the United States of America.

00:56:44.980 That is the biggest scandal in the history of the United States of America. Like this is the,

00:56:49.840 these are huge crimes, sedition, treason, very serious crimes.

00:56:54.840 They locked down the whole country based on pseudoscience. They fucking, they, they covered

00:57:00.180 up a, a, a senile president. They covered up a pedophile ring. They like all, and now you guys

00:57:06.720 are in charge of the justice department. How many indictments? Yeah. Zero, zero. And then you're

00:57:12.060 going to sit there and cash Patel is going to tweet out a picture of like some dude throwing

00:57:16.300 a sandwich at a cop and go, we got them. Cause this is cash Patel's America boys. People don't get

00:57:22.480 away with crimes here. Like that's, Oh wow. Great job. Wow. Cash Patel. We're all so impressed that

00:57:27.960 you brought down Chauncey Billups. Yeah. Like, okay, that's great. You know, like, that's great.

00:57:32.580 But like, that's not exactly what we were voting for. Can't a cop get a free Reuben? I don't care

00:57:36.460 how he gets it. And that sandwich was still pretty good. I don't care how he gets it, dude.

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01:00:15.520 better help.com slash Theo. Dude. And I got to say another one who, uh, who is somebody personally,

01:00:24.120 who I really like in the administration is a Tulsi Gabbard, which we don't hear that much,

01:00:29.400 uh, from her these days, but she came out and had a press conference several months ago where she

01:00:34.660 announced, and this is a pretty big deal. Like a lot goes on these days, Theo, but this is a pretty

01:00:38.240 big deal. The director of national intelligence came out and said that she had found proof that

01:00:43.000 Barack Obama committed her words treason and that she had sent the proof over to the justice department.

01:00:48.480 And I will say reading through some of those documents that got released,

01:00:51.600 it's a pretty big smoking gun. Really? Like, yeah, they, they basically had, um,

01:00:56.580 U S director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard has released a previously classified report,

01:01:00.260 which he says points to a treasonous conspiracy to undermine the results of the 2016 presidential

01:01:05.000 election. Um, it seems as though the Trump administration is willing to declassify anything

01:01:09.780 and everything except the Epstein files, democratic Senator Mark Warner said, uh, but that doesn't have

01:01:14.940 anything to do with this, right? Yeah. It's just a distraction. Yeah. Um, the report Gabbard

01:01:18.140 declassified was prepared by Republicans on the house intelligence committee is dated 1810.

01:01:21.600 September, 2020. These bizarre allegations, these bizarre allegations are ridiculous and a weak

01:01:25.900 attempt at a distraction. A spokesperson for Obama said, huh? Well, what they, one of the things that

01:01:31.260 was revealed in the documents was that there was a, sorry, one thing, um, uh, uh, it was declassified

01:01:37.800 on Wednesday, uh, day after president Trump accused former president Barack Obama of leading an effort

01:01:41.780 to falsely time to Russia and undermine his 2016 election campaign. Is that what the documents were

01:01:46.240 about? Well, what the documents showed was that there was, um, essentially a, a national security,

01:01:51.020 um, analysis. Um, that it was, uh, what do they call the threat assessment analysis after the 2016

01:01:58.980 election where the intelligence, uh, agencies, uh, had reached a consensus that there was no meaningful

01:02:05.360 interference in the election. Of course for Russia. Now, yes. Now, if you remember, now, if you remember

01:02:10.960 the central claim of Russia gate was there were two aspects to it. One was that the Russians interfered

01:02:18.920 in the election on behalf of Donald Trump. And number two, that Donald Trump was involved in the

01:02:24.380 conspiracy to do so that like Donald Trump and the Russians were working together to overthrow the

01:02:29.020 election. Now, if true, that's the biggest story in American history, right? That the sitting

01:02:33.320 president is a foreign spy, but what Tulsi now it had been the part about Donald Trump being involved

01:02:40.480 in the conspiracy had been completely debunked. It was all based off the steel dossier. It was all

01:02:44.180 lies. It was all Hillary Clinton, uh, op research, you know, campaign bullshit that the, the CIA and

01:02:51.100 the FBI jumped on. But what, what Tulsi Gabbard revealed was that they didn't even believe the first

01:02:55.820 part of it. They didn't even believe that Russia interfered at the time. And so anyway, but the broader

01:03:00.300 point to that is, so the director of national intelligence came out, said there's proof that

01:03:04.200 Obama committed treason and that she sent it to the justice department. And that's the last we

01:03:08.100 heard of that. Right. And like, well, what the hell at some point you got to come through on one of

01:03:13.060 these things. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. There's never any explanation for a lot of stuff. There's never

01:03:18.180 any real communication. Um, the, the, uh, yeah, the, the Russia gate thing was just like, obviously that

01:03:24.620 was ridiculous. Remember it was just that they were getting a lot of ads to, to on Facebook.

01:03:29.100 And it was like 30 grand worth of ads. It was like nothing. And Facebook was, um, I think they

01:03:34.420 were, I don't want to say they were convicted, but they admitted to inf helping to influence the

01:03:39.500 2020. Yeah. They admitted to helping influence Biden's campaign in 2020. Well, not only that,

01:03:44.420 but Zuckerberg on Rogan's show, uh, Rogan asked him about the Hunter Biden story. And he was like,

01:03:53.720 yeah, well we didn't, we didn't censor it the way Twitter did, but we turned down the signal so no

01:03:58.660 one could see it. And then he says, he offers this Joe didn't like ask him. He just goes, well,

01:04:03.440 you know, the FBI came and visited like a week before. And they said, be on the lookout for a

01:04:09.780 big Russian dump. It's going to be Russian influence and Russian interference in the election

01:04:13.860 again, which never happened the first time, but it was going to happen again. And so then he said

01:04:18.480 that essentially he thought that was it. So when it came, he was like, Oh, the FBI taught. So it's not

01:04:23.200 just Facebook interfering. It's the government. It's the, it's the FBI interfering to put their

01:04:28.540 thumb on a scale in an election, by the way, against the current commander in chief, like the

01:04:34.920 current sitting U S president. It's even worse than like, if they were interfering, which would

01:04:38.560 still be really bad to keep like the president's competition out, but they're insubordinate.

01:04:43.680 They're, they're interfering to unseat the guy who is the head of the executive branch.

01:04:48.800 And it seems like that, that led to also Trump getting reelected the second time. Cause it was

01:04:52.320 like, Oh, well the system, they, whatever this dark system is that already feels dark

01:04:56.360 and feels controlling, hates him so much that they must hate him because he's the guy that's

01:05:02.560 going to help. He's the guy that's going to make things different.

01:05:05.020 No, that's, that's right. And, um, there's, and, and also because it was just like the, um,

01:05:10.100 I think the, when they, when they went after him, when they weaponized the justice department

01:05:13.640 to go after him, that played into that too. Like they just raided Mar-a-Lago.

01:05:16.740 They're trying him for some bookkeeping issue in New York. I mean, none of this makes any

01:05:20.740 sense at all. It's obviously just that like these shadowy forces don't want this guy in.

01:05:26.260 And so that was a huge part of Trump's populist energy.

01:05:29.660 Yeah. Yeah. It became like, well, yeah, if the justice department isn't fair to him,

01:05:35.020 right. That's the one thing it feels like that we would have, you would hope we'd be fair

01:05:39.560 in this country. Right. It's like a sense of justice. There's some sense of justice here.

01:05:43.760 And when that starts to fail, you have to start to, you, there's a part of you that

01:05:47.640 just cheers for that guy. It's like, oh, he can't even get any justice, you know?

01:05:51.620 Yeah. Oh, that's right. It's just, how, how do you think, um, how do you think things look

01:05:58.400 as we go into 2026 here? Cause it's, it's just baffling, man. Like I was hoping to see

01:06:03.260 more things where it's like, okay, we're building things. We're, we're bringing businesses back

01:06:07.660 and we're going to, you're going to start to see certain jobs and opportunities come back

01:06:11.480 to different areas. And if they are, why wouldn't you talk about that more and share that more

01:06:16.580 and inspire people more with that? You know? Yeah. Um, I think that's some of the communication

01:06:20.780 that would be nice to hear more of. I think you kind of have to, you kind of need a couple

01:06:25.820 years to kind of see maybe what they're going to do with some of these tariffs. If we're making

01:06:29.520 money from these tariffs, what does that go into? You know, it, maybe it could be set

01:06:33.860 aside and say, well, the, the, the money that we're keeping from these tariffs, uh, it's going

01:06:37.900 to go here, here and here to support these things or to rebuild these efforts. You know,

01:06:42.500 the thing is that we're like, we, the problem in America, isn't that the federal government

01:06:48.180 doesn't have revenue. I have a huge tax base. I mean, we, we bring in more revenue now than

01:06:53.640 we've ever brought in before just through taxes, forget the tariffs. Um, the problem is that no

01:06:59.020 matter how much revenue DC brings in, they spend three times as much, you know, I mean, we're,

01:07:03.500 we're 38 plus trillion in debt and you know, the real, it fucking feels like a number a kid would

01:07:11.940 say. Yeah. Well, and, but the crazy thing is, right, is that our government is so big

01:07:17.340 that the 38 trillion isn't even nearly enough. I mean, it's like the 38 trillion is just what

01:07:23.520 they racked up on the credit card. They were spending our tax revenue that whole time. So

01:07:27.120 they spent tens of trillions of dollars of our tax revenue. And even that's not enough. They can't

01:07:32.000 tax enough and they can't borrow enough. And so then they just print the money. And this is really

01:07:37.000 the central problem that everyone's living through today is that if you could go look this up on

01:07:41.240 like charts, but like between essentially from the financial collapse in 2008 to today. So like

01:07:48.880 from, and, and George W. Bush had printed a ton of money too. But if you just look at like Bush,

01:07:52.860 Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump, again, we printed something like a third of the money that's ever

01:07:58.940 existed. Like the answer has just been always just keep printing money, keep flooding. And now

01:08:05.000 people are looking around and they're going, wait a minute. Why is the price of everything out of

01:08:10.780 control? It's crazy. Like the Democrats who won, not just Mom Donnie in New York, but also the

01:08:15.080 gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey that they just won in this last elections in November.

01:08:21.140 All of them ran on what they call now the unaffordability crisis. But like, what is

01:08:26.640 unaffordability? That just means you've debased your currency, right? So this is the kind of the,

01:08:31.140 now, so the answer is we got to stop debasing our currency. Like the solution would be a gold

01:08:36.680 standard or something where you don't just print money out of thin air. But the problem with that

01:08:40.820 is that you can't really be a world empire and do that. And so in a weird way, you really do have

01:08:45.880 to, I mean, you can't be a giant welfare state either, but you kind of have to make a choice between

01:08:49.900 like Donald Trump siding with the war hawks at every turn or Donald Trump siding with the

01:08:54.640 American people and not debasing their currency anymore. But he doesn't want to do that. In fact,

01:08:58.780 he wants quite the opposite. He wants the Fed chairman to lower interest rates. He wants more

01:09:02.740 money to be lent, more money to be printed because that he assesses that that'll be good in the short

01:09:07.320 term and help him win the midterm elections. But of course, that's like what got us to this place

01:09:12.860 to begin with. So once you're not, once you're not willing to compromise on actually cutting

01:09:17.560 spending and you want to keep the empire strong, now you got to come up with other schemes.

01:09:22.540 Well, maybe we put a tariff on Chinese goods, then maybe that'll make them more expensive.

01:09:26.920 So people will want to produce here, but those types of schemes never work out, man. You just

01:09:31.160 can't tax your way into prosperity. Yeah. We'll put a tax on ball caps or whatever on butterscotches

01:09:36.180 or whatever, because real people got to pay those taxes too. And it just comes back to the people.

01:09:40.920 It's like, Oh, I don't know where it's such a spot where it's like, it's like how much more

01:09:47.900 can we take? We're also gotten too comfortable. Yeah. You know, it's like, we're too comfortable.

01:09:54.240 Like how it's, it's, it's hard to like, be like, yeah, I'm going to go and talk about this, or I'm

01:10:00.740 going to go, um, protest about this, or I'm going to, uh, not pay my taxes or, you know, it's hard to,

01:10:08.900 and when you're like, ah, but you know, we got Netflix, we got this, there's enough food in the

01:10:13.640 cupboard. Yeah. When you're, when you're comfortable. Yeah, that's right. People aren't

01:10:17.720 going to know, no comfortable country ever leads a revolution, you know, but, but at the same time,

01:10:24.040 one of the things that I find really interesting, man, no comfortable country ever leads a revolution.

01:10:29.100 Well, there's a, but I will say we're getting on coming. It's just like, but there's a big trend.

01:10:33.960 I think we talked about this a little bit last year, but this was a big trend. One of the things that

01:10:37.620 I'm really optimistic about that I just think is really interesting is that, so like one of the

01:10:42.360 crazy things and you were a big part of this, but one of the crazy things that happened in the 24

01:10:47.400 election was that the whole, like the whole corporate media, uh, what used to be called

01:10:54.500 the mainstream media, which seems like a ridiculous title for them now. Uh, cause like they're not the

01:10:59.240 mainstream at all, but they kind of had to admit it was over. Like if you, there was, there was a CBS

01:11:04.540 clip. Yeah. Yeah. We're like, which is crazy. That's the first one that like it's, it's, you're the

01:11:09.600 first one who mustered up the thought courage here, here, play it. Yeah. And they sent this

01:11:13.520 white guy to do it too. And this is CBS says that, uh, starting today, they will be reporting

01:11:19.180 the news more from the average American perspective rather than solely the opinions of the liberal

01:11:23.840 elite. It's just such a funny thing to announce that CBS is going to do news. Okay guys, we're

01:11:30.540 going to try something new here. All right. This is a crazy thought. I had a crazy thought.

01:11:33.740 We were workshopping this for a little while. What if we reported the news and not through an

01:11:38.100 angle that always protects, uh, you know, Goldman Sachs, maybe we'll do it through an

01:11:43.300 angle. That's like for you. Is that crazy? Yeah. Let's hear it. A lot has changed since

01:11:49.760 the first person sat in this chair. But for me, the biggest difference is people do not

01:11:54.700 trust us like they used to. And it's not just us. It's all of legacy media. And I get it.

01:12:02.080 I get it because I've been hearing about it from just about everybody for more than 20 years

01:12:06.660 as I've traveled America on this assignment or that. My mom's neighbors in West Virginia,

01:12:12.140 my own neighbors in New York city, thousands and thousands of conversations in between.

01:12:17.460 Sometimes people want to talk to me about our coverage of NAFTA or the Iraq war. Other times

01:12:23.160 it's all about Hillary Clinton's emails or Russiagate or more recently COVID lockdowns, Hunter Biden's

01:12:29.540 laptop or the president's fitness. It's like, you mean when you ruined the country, does that come up?

01:12:35.840 Does it come up that you destroyed the greatest country in the history of the world?

01:12:39.900 Yeah. You had people fighting about shit that you knew wasn't real and never even an apology in

01:12:44.920 any of that. Yeah. Dude, my neighbors and I didn't talk for like a year and a half because of the

01:12:48.940 Russiagate shit. I was like, that's complete bullshit. I could just immediately. I knew when

01:12:52.300 I saw it, like, none of this makes any sense. Russia, Russia is a bunch of fucking rusted out

01:12:56.420 of vehicles. Um, and all these, all these kids carrying stone dolls made out of stone,

01:13:01.740 which I respect. Cause there's a lot of like, you know, you really learn to do something. If

01:13:05.400 you, if the doll is heavy, um, you know, there's something about that that I really respect,

01:13:10.020 but this, I just knew it just seems so ridiculous. Maybe 50 years ago, maybe, but not today.

01:13:17.420 Well, right. And, and then just like, as he just casually mentions, like, or lockdowns,

01:13:21.640 it's like, Oh yeah. Like when they, when they turned our country into a totalitarian state,

01:13:27.460 remember they did that for a year plus. And you guys did what you guys you're sitting here. You're

01:13:32.680 the journalist. You have this role as the media. And you always talk about how important this role

01:13:37.200 is. Right. And then they lock down the country and you decided in that moment, here's what we'll

01:13:43.560 do. We'll demonize anybody who's skeptical of this. We'll call you names. We'll, we'll shame

01:13:49.720 Americans for, for demanding some degree of basic Liberty during a crisis. And then by the way,

01:13:56.080 you know, what happens as a result of that when you do it, which by the way, there's been a ton

01:13:59.720 of studies on this now. They didn't even, the lockdowns didn't even slow the spread of the

01:14:04.020 virus. It wasn't even like there was a benefit that you got this cost in exchange for it did

01:14:10.140 nothing. The lockdown areas, the thing spread just as badly as they did through non lockdown areas,

01:14:14.900 mass compliance had nothing to do with anything, but you know, what was real is how many families

01:14:19.540 got broken up over lockdowns? How many AA rooms were closed and people couldn't go to get

01:14:23.960 recovery and ended up relapsing. How many people fell off the wagon during, during lockdowns? How

01:14:29.000 many people who were like on the edge ended up losing their apartment, ended up living outside

01:14:33.760 on the street? How, no, all those guys, they got to live with that tragedy and you, but your

01:14:38.660 response is to go finally, after all these years, I'll acknowledge some people were upset about

01:14:45.680 this. We'll do it a little bit differently going forward. Like, shouldn't you resign in

01:14:49.820 disgrace? Like, just, just, I mean, like, listen, I'm trying to be reasonable here. I really think

01:14:54.480 you should fall on a Japanese sword in public in front of a lot of people, but I will accept

01:14:58.760 resigning in disgrace, uh, and picking up garbage on the side of the road for the rest of your life.

01:15:03.620 And they've shunned that dude. They got caught jerking off in the zoom meeting. Remember?

01:15:07.780 Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's right. He, he faced more consequences to been faced more

01:15:13.400 consequences than any of these guys. That dude, they, at least they made him come on because he

01:15:17.700 was jerking off during a zoom meeting, which first of all, who doesn't want to jerk off during a

01:15:21.980 fricking zoom meeting and who hasn't? If you're, if you're most of your body's off screen,

01:15:25.840 how do you not? Yeah. It's an impossible challenge. But, um, is it crazy to that I get

01:15:31.300 now? Cause I do this, you know, whatever the weird career that I have is, but like, I'll get

01:15:35.680 all these people now, like high profile people who will be like talking shit about me. It'll be

01:15:40.540 like Dave Smith. Who, what does he know? What does he know? What he's talking about? He's some

01:15:43.560 comedian. He's not an expert. He get, and look, fair enough. What the fuck do I really know?

01:15:48.120 Right? I am just a comedian. Who's read a lot about this stuff. And I get on shows and I talk

01:15:52.240 about like, it's like this. It's not like that. So like, fair enough. Call me out. I'm just

01:15:55.820 a guy. And if people want to listen, they can, if they don't, they don't have to, but

01:15:58.960 I'll be arguing, like I'll be arguing on Twitter with, um, Dinesh D'Souza or recently David Wormser.

01:16:06.200 The remember last time I was on here. So I told you about the, uh, the clean break memo

01:16:11.260 that, uh, uh, it was, uh, the neocons wrote to Netanyahu to get away from the peace plan

01:16:17.120 and to overthrow Saddam Hussein for Israel. So the guy who wrote it is now talking shit to

01:16:22.580 me on Twitter. The neocon, he was at the Pentagon. He was at the state department.

01:16:25.800 And they'll say things to me like, they'll be like, they'll be like, Dave, you, this

01:16:29.200 guy's a comedian. He doesn't know what he's talking about. You go, dude, you were the

01:16:32.320 architect of the war in Iraq. Go away forever. Like you don't get to tell, you don't get

01:16:36.860 to come out here and go, who does this guy think he is? Who do I think I am? You got

01:16:40.400 a million people killed and didn't get punished for it. Just kindly go away. Is that an unreasonable

01:16:47.460 request?

01:16:47.800 I know.

01:16:48.740 Like I, it's, but anyway, the CBS guy, I guess what's interesting is at least he's

01:16:52.580 acknowledging it.

01:16:53.540 I guess.

01:16:54.040 At least there's like, now by the way, also in the background of this is that CBS news

01:16:58.240 was just purchased by the Israel lobby.

01:16:59.980 Yes.

01:17:00.360 And so this is there.

01:17:01.720 There's a lot.

01:17:02.280 I'm sure we can really trust you now.

01:17:04.420 Yep. Let's play a little bit more of that clip of the guy that was talking.

01:17:07.540 Fitness for office. The point is on too many stories, the press has missed the story because

01:17:15.000 we've taken into account the perspective of advocates and not the average American, or

01:17:20.540 we put too much weight in the analysis of academics or elites and not enough on you.

01:17:27.480 And I know this because at certain points, I have been you. I have felt this way too.

01:17:34.220 I felt like what I was seeing and hearing on the news didn't reflect what I was seeing

01:17:39.300 and hearing in my own life.

01:17:40.860 I was seeing a dystopian time, bro.

01:17:42.600 Yeah. It's like, and then is it too much for me to ask that you resign in disgrace?

01:17:47.660 Right.

01:17:48.140 You know, like in disgust, I should say, like, I'm saying like, if you, if you're going,

01:17:51.960 I've felt that same way too at times. Well then what the fuck, man? Like no one's putting

01:17:56.620 a gun to your head. So, so leave and blow the whistle and become all of our hero and go

01:18:01.460 have the biggest podcast ever. You know, like, it's not even like a difficult thing to have

01:18:05.760 done. It's not even like, like there is more culpability for you than there was for the

01:18:10.500 average Nazi soldier. At least the average Nazi soldier was like, I'll get shot in the

01:18:14.900 head. If I don't do this, you know, like you had nothing except giving up a $10 million

01:18:19.600 salary or something like that.

01:18:21.500 Like, you know, and, and, and by the way, you could still go make lots of money. Cause

01:18:24.640 the people would rally around you if you did something like that. And like, it's like when

01:18:28.380 there's that tape of, um,

01:18:29.740 If you're not going to tell the truth, what are you like? You know what I'm saying?

01:18:32.400 And I mean, that's your job, right? It's like, but it's like, if you're not going

01:18:35.880 to try your best to figure it out, I don't know. It just, I couldn't imagine

01:18:40.720 sitting there regurgitating lies, like just how much it would make you crawl on

01:18:45.540 the inside.

01:18:46.460 Yeah. Yeah. No, it's an, it's an amazing ability. I mean, I've been close up with

01:18:50.700 it and it's a, it was one of the things when I debated Chris Cuomo, it was like one

01:18:55.100 of the things that really was like, it was startling to see because how comfortable

01:19:00.020 he was just lying, like lying through his teeth, uh, um, uh, uh, demonstrable

01:19:06.020 lot. Like I would, I would say like, there was one point in it and the Patrick

01:19:09.860 David production staff always be grateful to them. Cause man, they got my back that

01:19:13.740 day and they had the clip. They pulled it up real quick. But I went, he went, look,

01:19:17.160 I don't think the guys at CNN should have mocked Joe Rogan for taking

01:19:19.940 ivermectin. And I went, you did you mocked Joe Rogan for taking ivermectin. And he

01:19:24.180 goes, no, I didn't. I go, yes, you did. I've seen it. I've watched you do it. And

01:19:27.960 then he goes, no, I didn't. And then they pull up a clip of him going, Joe

01:19:30.980 Rogan, ivermectin, I mean, horse dewormer and the entire room. Cause it

01:19:35.340 was a live show. The entire room goes, Oh, and then he goes, Oh no, no, no.

01:19:40.220 I was saying like vet, the veterinary version, not the regular version. You

01:19:43.720 go, what version do you think Joe Rogan was taking? You think Joe Rogan

01:19:47.240 went to the pet store? Like, yeah, he's got a few bucks. I don't know if you've

01:19:50.700 heard, you know, but they're at a fucking petco. Yeah. I think he drove and

01:19:54.700 parked at a petco and walked in there past the gerbil cages. Like, believe

01:19:59.040 it or not, Joe Rogan can afford doctors grooming the dogs. Hi, I'm world famous

01:20:05.640 Joe Rogan. I was here to pick up some ivermectin. I have a prescription for my

01:20:09.880 dog. I'd like to fill. Oh, you got worms, Joe. These people who work in corporate

01:20:14.900 media, man, they get real comfortable just saying like a knowing lie that they

01:20:19.380 will just repeat because that's the business. But the thing that's interesting

01:20:22.640 to me, and this is the last year, right, is that they admitted it. Because this

01:20:26.420 was true five years ago, too. Five years ago, four years ago, three years ago, Rogan

01:20:30.420 had a much bigger audience than CNN had, but they would still pretend like he was

01:20:34.940 the fringe and they were the mainstream media. But after Trump got reelected,

01:20:39.420 they admitted it. They all said, we need our own Joe Rogan. Like, they admitted

01:20:43.180 that the podcasting is where it was. And part of that is because Trump very wisely,

01:20:48.700 and I guess I've heard that it was his son who convinced him to do it, but he went on your show

01:20:55.180 and Joe's show and Andrew's show and, you know, like some of the other ones.

01:20:59.980 Nelk Boys. Yeah, I don't know them, but like, yeah, they're a huge, I've learned. And so he wrote

01:21:05.340 this kind of podcast wave where the new media was. He went to them.

01:21:09.080 It was smart of him.

01:21:09.800 Very smart. And then there were interesting, and I thought it was really, like, even when

01:21:13.540 on your show with him, one of the things that was cool, like, we've never really seen that

01:21:17.240 just like in the middle of a presidential season where a president comes in and just doesn't really

01:21:21.280 talk politics. It talks about like his brother's struggle with alcoholism. And you're like, oh,

01:21:26.060 wow, we kind of get to see a candidate in a new way. Now, one of the things I think that's

01:21:29.900 interesting about this now, what's happened over this last year, is that a lot of those guys,

01:21:35.380 and I remember arguing about this with people at the time, but they were kind of like, oh, now the

01:21:40.460 problem is that all these podcast bros are just Trump stans now, and they're all going to just,

01:21:47.660 you know, support him no matter what. And I was like, no, I don't think so, dude. Like, I don't think

01:21:52.380 that's never been the thing. And so what's interesting is that this whole media environment,

01:21:56.900 like if J.D. Vance wants to be president, like, I'm not saying he has to come do your show,

01:22:02.180 but he kind of has to come do your show. He kind of has to go do Rogan's show.

01:22:05.260 He kind of has to like do, or at least he's toning down a big opportunity not to.

01:22:09.980 And so-

01:22:10.740 And it will be known by people, I think, if you don't go do Joe's show, if you don't do,

01:22:16.080 you know, I'm trying to think of like Schultz's show, that-

01:22:21.160 You got to at least do some of them.

01:22:22.100 Or go sit with Tim Dillon.

01:22:23.880 Yeah.

01:22:24.180 That would be amazing.

01:22:25.080 Well, because you know this will do huge, huge numbers.

01:22:27.400 Right. And you know, though, that it will be, that Joe's going to do his best job to be,

01:22:32.620 you know, he's going to do what he does best, which is he's the best to do it.

01:22:36.680 But I just think that they're going to-

01:22:38.340 And it's not going to be controlled.

01:22:38.760 Right. That's the thing.

01:22:39.520 Yes.

01:22:39.720 And they're going to have to answer some questions next time.

01:22:41.980 Yeah.

01:22:42.140 And like, that's one of the interesting things right now, right?

01:22:44.320 Because like there was over this last year, really, I mean, it's the last two years,

01:22:47.720 but really over this last year, there was this huge, like, this huge split in the right wing

01:22:55.240 over Israel, obviously.

01:22:58.680 Was it the biggest cause you think?

01:22:59.820 I think that, look, obviously Charlie Kirk being killed was a, but look, Charlie Kirk was

01:23:05.520 already dealing with it before he died.

01:23:07.860 Like it was a dynamic at turning point.

01:23:09.860 It was a huge scandal when he had Tucker and me and Megyn Kelly at turning point.

01:23:15.040 And then he's, he went on Megyn Kelly's show and talked about how all the Zionists were

01:23:19.760 like flipping out on him and how crazy it was that he had been such an ally.

01:23:23.120 And they were turning on him just for hosting a debate and hosting a few voices that were

01:23:27.180 critical of Israel.

01:23:28.800 Not really that many on it, actually, but this was, this has been a huge split, but it's not

01:23:34.860 a split like it's 50, 50.

01:23:37.320 It's a split like the entire youth is against this unconditional support for Israel.

01:23:45.040 A huge portion of, you know, like Candace and Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes have been

01:23:51.680 surging over this last year.

01:23:53.620 They're, they're bigger than ever.

01:23:55.200 Yeah.

01:23:55.660 Meanwhile, Ben Shapiro is like losing a thousand YouTube subscribers a day.

01:24:00.880 Mark Levin is just getting ratioed every time he opens his mouth on, on social media.

01:24:05.680 And so what's happening now is there's this dynamic where.

01:24:08.320 I thought he was Jim Cramer.

01:24:09.520 I didn't even know who he was.

01:24:10.500 I kept, I kept.

01:24:11.480 I kept confusing.

01:24:11.960 I got confused.

01:24:13.080 Go on.

01:24:13.480 No, now there's a situation.

01:24:15.000 Well, so, but I'm saying now you have this dynamic where JD Vance wants to be the, the

01:24:20.880 Republican nominee.

01:24:22.240 Well, like 80% of the base is against, is for America first, not for Israel first, you

01:24:29.080 know?

01:24:29.280 And now, and particularly with all those shows we were talking about, like your show, Rogan's

01:24:33.940 show, Tim's show, Andrew's show, all these guys, everybody, my show, all, all of us are

01:24:39.980 like, we don't want to fight wars on behalf of Israel.

01:24:42.680 So it's like, where do you go now?

01:24:44.860 Now there's a, now there's a real media environment.

01:24:47.300 I'm not saying it's perfect.

01:24:47.980 And I'm just naming the comedians.

01:24:49.080 There's a lot of other great like news shows out there too.

01:24:51.540 Oh, for sure.

01:24:51.720 Like breaking points with, uh, uh, Sagar and, and Jenny and crystal ball is a great, uh,

01:24:56.780 show.

01:24:57.220 Like there's, there's a bunch of really good shows online that aren't in this corporate

01:25:01.060 controlled media environment where they're actually going to have to face some of this

01:25:05.460 stuff going forward.

01:25:06.220 So I'm like, I'm very optimistic about that kind of longterm that we've like cracked the

01:25:11.340 state's monopoly on propaganda.

01:25:14.480 Yeah.

01:25:14.960 It is going to be interesting because you're going to have to answer.

01:25:17.620 I don't know if you're going to be able to say you're a pro Israel candidate.

01:25:20.880 It's going to be tough.

01:25:22.100 Now here's the thing is that, and they're going to be in a Charlie Kirk type situation

01:25:25.760 here.

01:25:26.100 And I'm not talking about Charlie Kirk's assassination, but I'm saying the position

01:25:29.680 that Charlie Kirk was in right before he died.

01:25:32.240 And the reason why he was sending those text messages to Josh Hammer and them that I have

01:25:36.360 no other choice than to abandon support for Israel.

01:25:38.660 And while he was complaining about all that stuff on the Megyn Kelly show is that he was

01:25:42.900 caught between a rock and a hard place, which is exactly what JD Vance is going to be

01:25:46.000 caught between now because you've got, well, look in order to, in order to lead an

01:25:49.920 organization like turning point USA, you need your young activists and then you need

01:25:55.000 your donors, right?

01:25:56.400 You need billionaires to give you money, but you need young activists to show up.

01:25:59.840 And so Charlie Kirk was in this position where he's like, dude, the young activists are completely

01:26:04.860 against this shit, but the donors won't even let you host a debate about it, let alone take

01:26:11.820 that position.

01:26:12.620 And so what do you do there?

01:26:14.300 And now JD Vance is going to be in a similar position too.

01:26:16.900 If you come out and you say, I'm pro Israel, well, man, I mean, at this point that turns

01:26:20.800 a whole lot of us off.

01:26:22.600 But if you say I'm anti-Israel, that's a tough, in Washington, DC, you can't survive

01:26:28.560 there for long.

01:26:29.400 So he's got to try to walk this tight rope that is becoming more impossible by the day.

01:26:36.820 He's going to need a strong mascara.

01:26:38.040 Yeah, you better put your best mascara on for that one.

01:26:42.460 Type shit.

01:26:42.940 And I like JD, man.

01:26:44.040 He knows.

01:26:44.840 I like JD too.

01:26:45.780 I like JD.

01:26:46.280 Listen, I like JD.

01:26:47.680 I even would like to maybe be able to support him.

01:26:51.360 Yeah.

01:26:51.600 But I'm in a position right now, I don't see how I'm going to be able to, at least from

01:26:54.740 my perspective, because you're coming off of, you're going to be attached to the administration

01:26:59.120 that did everything Netanyahu wanted and covered up the Epstein scandal and didn't solve any

01:27:05.800 of the major problems in the country, short of maybe the border.

01:27:09.580 And also, JD Vance, what are you going to say?

01:27:11.680 What are you going to run on?

01:27:13.080 This time we'll really drain the swamp.

01:27:15.180 Like, what are you going to, and also, just because Trump is Trump, he can't really criticize

01:27:18.900 Donald Trump because he's still his vice president as he's running a presidential campaign.

01:27:23.700 It's a tough spot.

01:27:25.320 Yep.

01:27:26.020 Bro, he's good.

01:27:26.640 That's the tightest rope in the world.

01:27:28.680 Now, there is something about that tightrope that I can tell JD, like, loves.

01:27:33.120 Like, he wants to challenge himself.

01:27:35.000 He's a guy who's challenged himself a lot in his life, and he wants to challenge himself.

01:27:38.780 So, he's going to try to navigate that.

01:27:40.300 That's going to be super tricky to figure out because those are, I mean, that's like his,

01:27:45.420 I mean, that's just like a, it's such a fine point.

01:27:49.260 Yeah.

01:27:49.500 Well, you've, I think, you know, you see it like already.

01:27:51.980 That's such a fine point, man.

01:27:53.560 Well, it's happened a lot just with, and it's kind of become MAGA versus America first

01:27:57.380 too, is kind of where that thing, where that, where the Republican kind of the right divide

01:28:01.800 is, like, yeah, I was, I mean, I liked Trump the first time because he was an underdog.

01:28:06.380 I was like, oh, this dude is just some guy, like, I know he's Donald Trump, and I know

01:28:10.440 he's, like, been known for crooked antics and dodging, like, contractors and shit over

01:28:17.860 the years.

01:28:18.140 Yeah.

01:28:18.800 Um, but then also it was like, fuck, if this guy wins, I remember when he won the first

01:28:23.000 time, I remember driving down the street and thinking, oh shit, anybody could be president.

01:28:27.560 Well, especially just.

01:28:28.360 And it was the feeling you had when you were a kid a little bit like, dude, I can be president.

01:28:32.040 But just the idea that anybody could be president.

01:28:34.860 Because there's something about Donald Trump that even though he's a billionaire, he's such

01:28:39.420 a regular guy billionaire, like, like, he's, he's a billionaire the way the average guy

01:28:46.300 in a trailer park would be a billionaire if you gave him a billion dollars.

01:28:50.140 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:50.620 Well, he's not pretending not to be a billionaire.

01:28:52.380 Well, right, but, right, but it's also just like a, it's like, how about we make it the

01:28:55.400 biggest gold sign ever?

01:28:56.900 It's like someone who never had money, who just like, is like, wants to show off that

01:29:00.420 he's got some.

01:29:01.240 Now I see why him and Kid Rock are so close because Kid Rock is like that.

01:29:04.640 He's like, let's make it like this, dude.

01:29:06.800 Yeah, it's right.

01:29:07.780 Which I love that guy, by the way.

01:29:10.000 But he's awesome.

01:29:11.120 I met him, last time I was down here, I met him at a, I did his show, which was so much

01:29:16.340 fun.

01:29:17.040 He does like a comedy show in the Nashville Comedy Festival.

01:29:19.940 So I did that last time.

01:29:20.700 So much fun.

01:29:21.100 He's an awesome guy.

01:29:22.920 But so Donald Trump, and then also you had, he speaks like a regular guy.

01:29:27.100 Like he doesn't speak like a highfalutin academic or something like that.

01:29:30.320 He speaks like a regular guy.

01:29:31.500 Regular people can understand him.

01:29:32.880 And then he announces he's running for president and his, again, his pitch is drain the swamp,

01:29:39.420 and I'm going to fight for you.

01:29:42.460 I'm going to fight for you to win.

01:29:43.580 And then because he says that, every media apparatus, every Hollywood actor, academia,

01:29:49.060 and the entire political class all hate his guts and are working against him.

01:29:53.340 And so he's naturally just cast as like the underdog, the guy who's there for you, who's

01:29:57.960 going to take them.

01:29:58.600 And then he sits in South Carolina.

01:30:00.620 It was so ballsy.

01:30:01.800 And Donald Trump always had an amazing ability to like say the obvious truth and then give

01:30:08.680 you permission to also agree with him.

01:30:10.580 So like he goes in South Carolina, of all places, at the Republican primary, and he

01:30:16.220 looks at Jeb Bush and he goes, your brother lied us into war.

01:30:20.040 And like, and this was an amazing moment in American history.

01:30:24.140 So he says this to Jeb Bush and Jeb Bush goes, that's very offensive that you would say something

01:30:28.960 like that.

01:30:29.440 Then he doubles down on it.

01:30:30.580 He goes, they lied.

01:30:31.540 There were no weapons of mass destruction.

01:30:33.120 And he knew there were no weapons of mass destruction.

01:30:35.440 Like the biggest accusation you could make, your brother led, I mean, you're like in South

01:30:40.020 Carolina, it's one of the most militarized States in the union at the Republican national

01:30:43.440 He's like saying your brother's dead because of him and his brother and what they did, you

01:30:48.500 know?

01:30:48.740 And then that night on all the cable news, it was unanimous by everyone who knew all the

01:30:54.520 experts, all the ones who say, I'm just a comedian.

01:30:56.400 I don't know what I'm talking about.

01:30:57.140 They're the experts.

01:30:57.960 Every single expert went on TV that day to say, Donald Trump is done.

01:31:03.500 He's finished.

01:31:04.440 Because let me tell you one thing you can't do in South Carolina is insult the military and

01:31:09.760 George W. Bush and blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:31:11.640 And then the next day at the primary, Donald Trump dominated, just destroyed Jeb Bush, who

01:31:18.680 walked away with like 1% or something like that.

01:31:21.240 Just destroyed him.

01:31:22.840 And so, and then that guy ends up side.

01:31:26.980 By the way, did you see this the other day?

01:31:28.840 This is, this is how bad the Trump administration has done one year in.

01:31:32.340 You know, who just praised Donald Trump on Twitter?

01:31:35.440 Jeb Bush.

01:31:36.280 Uh-uh.

01:31:37.140 Jeb Bush.

01:31:37.620 You're lying.

01:31:38.020 I swear to God, it'll be right up there at the top.

01:31:40.300 It might, oh, I think it's that first one.

01:31:41.700 Yep.

01:31:41.940 Right there.

01:31:42.760 Pinned tweet.

01:31:44.480 The Islamic Republic does not represent the great Iranian people.

01:31:47.880 President Trump continues to demonstrate historic leadership on a round.

01:31:51.840 So why?

01:31:52.720 Jeb Bush is now praising Donald Trump.

01:31:54.960 And why?

01:31:55.760 Is it because Jeb Bush woke up and became a lot better on stuff?

01:31:58.780 No.

01:31:59.340 It's because Donald Trump is finishing off what was the seventh country on General Wesley

01:32:05.400 Clark's list of seven countries that were to be toppled.

01:32:08.920 Oh, that's true.

01:32:09.580 If you remember that, which people, people try to give me shit for bringing this up.

01:32:13.340 Was that with the neoconservatives?

01:32:14.640 Well, yes.

01:32:15.460 It was him talking about the neoconservatives plan that they had, uh, that they had just

01:32:20.680 instituted under the George W. Bush administration.

01:32:22.900 And this, this list of seven countries with Sudan being the one exception.

01:32:28.000 Now, Sudan did collapse and fall into a state of civil war and the country broke off.

01:32:33.340 And I think there's still a horrible civil war going on there.

01:32:35.860 Good athletes.

01:32:36.820 Very good.

01:32:37.760 Uh, but of the other countries, okay, there's six left on that list.

01:32:41.920 Israel, the U S or both have attacked all of them since that point, bombed all of them.

01:32:47.880 And the last regime change was supposed to be Iran, which, okay, Donald Trump stopped short

01:32:52.840 of regime change there, but he did launch a war against them over the summer and still

01:32:56.540 flirting with it.

01:32:57.060 That thing is not over at all.

01:32:58.420 We're at halftime.

01:32:59.820 Again, like the mission accomplished banner, like the people with Venezuela right now, they

01:33:03.200 always love to celebrate immediately.

01:33:05.020 Oh, Dave, you warned.

01:33:06.080 This might be a catastrophe, but look, it was just 12 days.

01:33:08.660 You're like, yeah, but look, it's not over.

01:33:10.160 Like I'm old enough to remember very vividly, uh, in 1991 after George HW Bush led the Persian

01:33:19.880 Gulf war and all the war hawks were celebrating what an easy success the war in Iraq was.

01:33:25.720 But then we went on to bomb that country for 30 more years and lost trillions of dollars

01:33:32.820 and a million Iraqis died and 5,000 of our bravest young soldiers died.

01:33:37.640 And then like 30,000 committed suicide in the aftermath of the whole thing.

01:33:41.380 So you sit there celebrating these wars right after, uh, you know, like in the immediate

01:33:45.620 aftermath of them, but Netanyahu and Trump were just talking the other day about when they're

01:33:49.540 going to bomb around next.

01:33:50.660 That thing ain't over at all.

01:33:51.880 But anyway, the point being Jeb Bush loves Donald Trump now.

01:33:57.280 Cause he's siding with the war hawks.

01:33:59.720 He's siding with the neocons against his own voters.

01:34:03.520 That's a, I mean, I don't know, like whatever you think about.

01:34:07.640 You have, there's, you have to respect his ability.

01:34:14.220 Oh, for sure.

01:34:15.460 Unless now, what about this part?

01:34:18.140 Do you think that, uh, do you think that assassination attempt was real after this much

01:34:28.740 time has passed?

01:34:29.740 The, uh, the Butler, Pennsylvania one.

01:34:32.560 I mean, did you see that reverse camera shot that came up the other day?

01:34:35.540 No, I don't think so.

01:34:36.740 They showed the reverse camera shot of the Butler PA shooting.

01:34:41.200 This was like a new footage that hadn't been shown.

01:34:42.960 Oh, really?

01:34:43.400 No, I missed that.

01:34:44.300 Uh, yeah, this is just new.

01:34:48.540 Has this been shot?

01:34:50.720 Oh no.

01:34:52.260 No.

01:34:54.480 Either that or they're covering, we don't know.

01:34:56.300 Either that or they're covering it.

01:34:57.400 We love you.

01:35:01.160 We love you.

01:35:01.920 We love you.

01:35:03.220 We love you.

01:35:04.120 We love you.

01:35:06.080 We love you.

01:35:07.360 Now they've ush, he ushers in photographers from the left side of the stage.

01:35:10.680 This is kind of bizarre.

01:35:13.400 We love you.

01:35:16.400 That is crazy.

01:35:22.260 The flag was lowered in a position.

01:35:23.900 Is this real?

01:35:26.360 Or is the flag being lowered or is the camera moving?

01:35:29.020 That's a good question.

01:35:32.800 That if they paused to lower the flag though, that is, but we are, everything just feels now

01:35:40.400 like we're living in a kind of like a diorama or something like we're walking in a total

01:35:47.080 Truman show.

01:35:47.760 It feels like it does.

01:35:48.500 It does feel like a, like one of those time travel movies where like you go into the future

01:35:53.060 and everything's wrong and you're like, Oh, someone's got to go back and fix this.

01:35:57.220 What did we do?

01:35:58.100 Something was supposed to happen different.

01:36:00.060 Go back.

01:36:00.660 Show this a little, go back to that flag lowering.

01:36:02.520 I want to see that part.

01:36:03.460 I mean, that's.

01:36:04.460 Flag is lowered into position.

01:36:11.960 It doesn't look like the camera's moving.

01:36:13.480 Dude, that's crazy.

01:36:15.960 That's crazy.

01:36:17.720 And it's crazy to think this is how long they were.

01:36:19.660 They had this dude up on stage, like get him off of the stage.

01:36:22.720 It was crazy.

01:36:24.200 And then it's odd behavior shows how they stage the famous photo.

01:36:27.540 And then he starts moving.

01:36:28.720 The camera people come around.

01:36:29.940 Like, wouldn't there be people pushing the camera people away?

01:36:33.080 Like, well, whoever could get close to him right now.

01:36:35.400 Well, look, I mean.

01:36:36.420 Explaining why his press agent went to grab photographers after shots were fired.

01:36:40.000 Then they lower the flag into frame.

01:36:43.980 It's just wild.

01:36:45.200 It is.

01:36:45.620 It is weird.

01:36:47.080 Also, Trump had the presence of mind to be like, let me make this a photo op one way or

01:36:51.700 the other.

01:36:52.120 I mean, clearly he said the first thing he says is where are my shoes?

01:36:54.500 Like, he's like, Trump is so cognizant of being the alpha and like, like he's, he's

01:37:00.800 just the ultimate genius marketer says PR person.

01:37:05.080 So he knows like, even in this moment, I got to be strong, get my shoes on.

01:37:09.640 I'm not walking out of here barefoot.

01:37:11.160 You know, I'm going to throw my fist up.

01:37:12.940 I'm going to like, like he's, so that's like, that's amazing how hardwired into you that

01:37:17.180 has to be.

01:37:17.880 You know what I mean?

01:37:18.440 To have it in a moment like that, I've always thought there were just so many questions

01:37:25.120 about how this could have possibly happened.

01:37:27.260 Yes.

01:37:27.740 And that are things that are really not answered and it went by fast.

01:37:32.220 And there's, and there seems to be no even like desire to get to the bottom of this.

01:37:35.560 Like we got to figure out what happened, obviously.

01:37:37.880 Because the, because the people who are supposed to be figuring out what happened there, it's

01:37:42.080 if.

01:37:42.660 Well, they're making apologies at CBS about how they're going to do better going forward.

01:37:46.740 If they're the ones, if they are somehow the same ones who created this, then of course

01:37:52.080 they wouldn't keep looking into it.

01:37:53.520 It would be so, that's, that's at the, that's where you realize it.

01:37:57.760 It's like, oh, of course they wouldn't, they'd have no, because you couldn't maintain a real

01:38:03.540 strong enough desire to continue to look into something if you knew there was absolutely

01:38:07.780 nothing there.

01:38:08.860 Yeah.

01:38:09.160 Right.

01:38:09.320 Especially if you had created the false, the falsity.

01:38:11.760 It's like, bring that back up though.

01:38:13.320 That flag lowering is unbelievable.

01:38:15.020 Bro, they lowered the flag into the shot.

01:38:19.480 That is crazy.

01:38:23.440 Oh, they staged a famous photo.

01:38:26.900 That's crazy.

01:38:28.440 They lowered the flag.

01:38:29.840 And then what are the other things it says?

01:38:31.180 Is that how the Secret Service has always been prepared to act after an assassination attempt?

01:38:35.280 That's not even, and that's not even mentioning how his ear apparently re-grew.

01:38:38.880 This new camera angle makes it look really suspicious.

01:38:41.440 I do think it is interesting how they disallowed photographers to get right there.

01:38:45.340 Like, wouldn't you think, what if somebody's coming to stab and what if one of these people-

01:38:48.060 Right, right.

01:38:49.060 Oh no, you would think you're in a moment of complete chaos and confusion.

01:38:52.580 You have no idea where the threat is.

01:38:53.860 They have no way of knowing if it's a lone gunman.

01:38:55.860 They have no way of knowing whether there's a team of people here, right?

01:38:58.380 I mean, this is-

01:38:59.060 And what happened to that shooter?

01:39:01.820 Well, they ultimately killed him.

01:39:04.220 Yeah, they took him out.

01:39:05.860 Or they just put some kid on a roof.

01:39:07.060 If they remember, they said that they couldn't get on the roof because it was too slanted.

01:39:13.420 But then they killed the guy and his body didn't roll off.

01:39:17.000 So even a dead corpse stayed on the roof.

01:39:21.660 All of it made no sense.

01:39:22.880 And then they said he had no internet history.

01:39:24.960 It was very, very bizarre.

01:39:27.660 This is fun to talk about and look at, huh?

01:39:29.840 It's wild, dude.

01:39:30.780 That flag lowering is bonkers.

01:39:32.760 Yeah, that's a little strange.

01:39:34.140 But the wound to his ear, I mean, bro, how?

01:39:39.860 What are the odds?

01:39:42.260 And also just the way he turned at the moment, I mean, it's the craziest thing ever.

01:39:47.120 It'd just be like that a shot was coming at him and you just-

01:39:49.800 Like, you rolled with it like you're a boxer rolling with a punch.

01:39:53.040 Where are my shoes?

01:39:54.040 Yeah, where am I?

01:39:55.060 Yeah, bro.

01:39:56.280 I thought he said, where are my Jews, too?

01:39:58.180 That's what I thought he said, dude.

01:39:59.320 You're going to tell it?

01:40:00.760 That would have been crazy if he said that.

01:40:03.280 And then if someone went, well, obviously they're here.

01:40:04.980 Yeah, yeah.

01:40:05.680 He's just making sure I got my boys with me, you know?

01:40:08.080 Dude, you know what's weird?

01:40:09.000 And this is totally-

01:40:09.440 But dude, where are my shoes?

01:40:10.560 Did he have them on?

01:40:11.320 Did they get knocked off or something?

01:40:12.600 I guess he hit the ground at first.

01:40:14.820 So I guess he lost them in the shuffle of that.

01:40:16.980 I don't know.

01:40:17.660 First of all, imagine being, going to something like this and wearing shoes that are comfortable

01:40:22.000 and casual enough that you could slip right out of them.

01:40:24.040 You could have some balls.

01:40:26.900 I'll say this.

01:40:27.600 Whenever Trump does pass away eventually in time, if he does, they got to auction off

01:40:33.040 his balls, dude.

01:40:34.080 Or give him-

01:40:34.640 They got to auction off his balls.

01:40:37.080 That would-

01:40:37.620 He should start thinking about provisions for that.

01:40:39.580 He's already over the average life expectancy, or right up there.

01:40:43.060 I don't know.

01:40:43.540 Close to it.

01:40:44.480 They said they were going to put-

01:40:46.620 They were going to create a $250 bill with his face on it.

01:40:48.980 You see that?

01:40:49.840 Yeah, probably because all the money he's printing.

01:40:51.820 It'll only be worth 20.

01:40:53.480 But they'll make you a nice Trump bill.

01:40:55.100 Yeah, the Trump $250 bill refers to the HR 1761, the Donald Trump $250 bill act introduced

01:41:04.180 in February 2025 by Representative Joe Wilson.

01:41:07.100 Did it pass?

01:41:08.120 The bill proposed an exemption to laws preventing living people on currency, though it's-

01:41:13.620 Oh, living people can't be on currency.

01:41:15.120 The bill proposes an exemption to laws preventing living people being on currency, though it's

01:41:19.260 a symbolic proposal.

01:41:21.760 The bill was introduced in the House of Representatives February 2025.

01:41:25.240 Its future in Congress is uncertain.

01:41:26.480 Its proposals often face significant legislative hurdles.

01:41:29.960 The U.S. currency denominations haven't gone above $100 for general circulation.

01:41:33.780 You know, I don't know if you feel this way, but I just find myself over the last year

01:41:39.280 just really getting tired of a lot of this stuff.

01:41:43.380 And like, it'd kind of be like one thing-

01:41:45.060 If Trump was doing all the right things, and then you wanted to rename the Gulf of Mexico

01:41:50.040 to the Gulf of America, you'd be like, yeah, okay, sure.

01:41:53.260 You know, like, that's fun.

01:41:54.340 And I like triggering libs as much as the next guy, so like, that's fun.

01:41:58.020 Or let us have a game each year, a competition, and whoever, whatever country wins a competition,

01:42:02.580 it's like in America, South America, whoever wins gets to name it, gets to have it for that

01:42:07.280 year.

01:42:07.300 All right, well, that was a great idea.

01:42:08.820 But it's like now after, like, when you're just like, kind of like being Israel's bitch,

01:42:13.560 and then you're burying the Epstein stuff, but I repeat myself, it's like, and then he

01:42:18.900 goes like, we're renaming it to the Gulf of America.

01:42:20.940 You're like, shut up, dude.

01:42:22.220 Like, give me something serious.

01:42:23.740 It starts to feel like you're just insulting me.

01:42:26.060 It's like you start like bragging about how you're redoing the White House or how much nicer

01:42:30.280 it looks than when Joe Biden was there.

01:42:32.300 Like, you know, I don't care, man.

01:42:34.100 Like, the average guy, like, people who are making 70 grand a year can't afford to live.

01:42:39.580 Yeah.

01:42:40.340 You know, like, that's a real thing.

01:42:42.400 That we're, we live in a society now.

01:42:44.420 In my, in my grandfather's day, you could just work.

01:42:48.400 My grandfather worked at a factory.

01:42:50.260 That's all he ever did.

01:42:51.080 By the end of his life, I think he had been made floor manager of the factory.

01:42:54.300 But that was his whole life.

01:42:55.060 He just worked in factories.

01:42:55.960 All his buddies worked in factories.

01:42:57.600 None of their wives worked.

01:42:58.660 They all owned homes.

01:43:00.120 They all had two cars.

01:43:01.320 They played poker on the weekends.

01:43:02.580 They sent their kids to college.

01:43:03.740 They participated in, like, the country, in the ownership class.

01:43:08.100 They owned their house, you know?

01:43:10.160 Today, a 25-year-old, even if they got a job where they're making 70 grand a year or something

01:43:15.260 like that, they're living with a roommate.

01:43:17.240 Yeah.

01:43:17.460 You know what I mean?

01:43:18.040 Like, and the chick is working.

01:43:19.660 And they don't know how the hell they're ever going to buy a house.

01:43:21.760 The average house is going for 700 grand.

01:43:23.840 Yeah.

01:43:23.980 No idea how that.

01:43:24.520 And they're ovulating stressed eggs, and then they're making DS, down-centered children

01:43:28.900 half the time.

01:43:29.500 Yeah, yeah.

01:43:30.240 And those kids are back in the factories.

01:43:32.440 You know what I'm saying?

01:43:33.380 Well, and we don't even know, because there's so much goddamn poison around.

01:43:36.620 And, you know, all the stuff that Bobby Kennedy always talked about, it's like, I don't know.

01:43:40.340 I don't know any of which one of them was the culprit or not.

01:43:42.960 It's like, is it the fact that we do 50 vaccines now instead of 12, or that there's plastic in

01:43:47.900 our water, or that there's all these chemicals?

01:43:49.720 Like, I don't know that all our food's over-processed and all this shit.

01:43:52.480 I don't know.

01:43:53.120 But it's bad.

01:43:54.160 We lead the world in, like, disease.

01:43:57.600 Come to America where we don't care if we take care of our health or our, like, our procreation.

01:44:05.960 Well, think about even, like, right, the Epstein thing, which, look, nobody knows exactly,

01:44:10.840 and I guess probably we'll never know, exactly, like, the entire details of what type of intelligence

01:44:18.220 operation this was.

01:44:19.380 And even when people say, like, oh, he worked for Mossad or something like that, you're like,

01:44:22.940 well, somebody doing what Jeffrey Epstein was doing wouldn't have been, like, an employee

01:44:28.620 of the Mossad.

01:44:30.040 You know what I mean?

01:44:30.480 They would have had an actor outside.

01:44:32.220 We know already that he was organizing meetings for the Mossad and Russian, like, oligarchs.

01:44:37.660 We know that Ehud Barak was coming over and, like, staying at his house and stuff, and

01:44:42.160 that, you know, that Alan Dershowitz was his confidant and his lawyer.

01:44:46.000 So, like, he's all tied up with Israel and the Israel lobby.

01:44:49.400 But so if it is what it looks like, which is, like, are you telling me that, like, a foreign

01:44:54.640 government that, by the way, is our welfare state that we pay portions of our taxes to every

01:45:00.920 year, you're saying they ran an op to rape American children, American girls, to

01:45:07.620 compromise people, or at least there were American girls raped in the process of this

01:45:14.000 network of events, and that you're covering that up?

01:45:17.620 Like, and then you're going to sit here and tell me about how you redid the White House

01:45:20.760 or something?

01:45:21.540 And I'm supposed, or even just, like, the moment, like, when he called the reporter

01:45:25.140 a fat pig, like, he called some female reporter a fat pig.

01:45:28.820 I was like, what the heck?

01:45:29.140 And then you're just kind of like, dude, you're a scumbag, piggy, whatever.

01:45:33.020 But he's like, you're a scumbag, dude.

01:45:35.240 And it was over an Epstein question.

01:45:36.920 Was it?

01:45:37.620 The tense exchange that President Trump had with the press aboard Air Force One is now

01:45:43.000 going viral.

01:45:43.980 It stems from the words that he chose to try to get a female reporter to stop asking questions

01:45:49.160 about the Epstein files.

01:45:51.480 Here's the clip.

01:45:52.660 Is there something incriminating in the box?

01:45:54.880 Quiet, quiet.

01:45:57.760 Oh, it's so dark.

01:46:01.500 Yeah, that shows, like, there's a nastiness to Donald Trump.

01:46:05.900 And when it's harnessed the right way, we all loved it because the people he was taking

01:46:10.640 on were so evil.

01:46:11.540 And so when Hillary Clinton goes, good thing someone with your temperament's never president,

01:46:15.280 he goes, because you'd be in jail.

01:46:16.540 We're like, yeah, dude, get her, you know.

01:46:18.700 But then you turn it around and like, look, this wasn't someone in the liberal media asking

01:46:24.560 you about Russiagate for the 19,000th time.

01:46:27.160 And you're like, shut up.

01:46:28.600 She was asking a totally legitimate question.

01:46:30.680 Like, sir, you campaigned on releasing these files.

01:46:35.220 Your FBI director and deputy FBI director and attorney general all told the American

01:46:40.220 people they were going to.

01:46:41.200 She asked a totally reasonable question about the files.

01:46:43.900 And then he just goes to this vicious, like, insult.

01:46:47.140 And I don't know.

01:46:47.840 Look, I know there's a lot of people out there who still support Donald Trump.

01:46:50.080 That's fine.

01:46:50.720 But like, I'm out.

01:46:51.960 I just don't.

01:46:52.660 I can't.

01:46:53.580 I can't defend that shit.

01:46:55.920 I mean, no, it would be crazy if the lady had a name tag on that said Piggy, right?

01:47:01.440 That would, if there was another angle that then showed that and you'd go, oh, man, oh,

01:47:05.800 this is like one of those videos where I blame the cop.

01:47:07.780 But then I saw that the guy had a knife.

01:47:09.220 Oh, shit.

01:47:09.800 It's like, it's almost like a family guy.

01:47:11.440 And then after people go, oh, you see Trump go, it's Piggy.

01:47:16.800 This is her name.

01:47:17.480 I was just, I don't know.

01:47:18.460 Or if it was Halloween or something, you know, and she was costumed.

01:47:23.300 She's dressed up as Miss Piggy.

01:47:25.380 Yeah, that's the only way that I think that would have made sense.

01:47:28.100 I'll apologize if that information comes out.

01:47:30.500 That just, I think that irked me because like, it was like, you start to assume, okay,

01:47:37.180 maybe the girl's thick or like a, you know, or has some thighs or something like that.

01:47:42.360 Maybe it just isn't a body style that he likes.

01:47:47.840 And so that that's why he was like trying to find.

01:47:50.660 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:50.760 Like you think like he was trying to say the thing that'll have her crying tonight when

01:47:53.700 she gets home or whatever.

01:47:54.660 I think that would hurt her feelings and everybody hates that.

01:47:56.920 And also, but it's just over, it's clearly in that example, it's over his defensiveness.

01:48:02.320 Yeah.

01:48:02.660 His insecurity that this isn't going well for him and that he's covering something up and

01:48:07.000 he looks bad.

01:48:07.900 But it just seemed, yeah.

01:48:09.560 You remember when Elon said, when him and Elon had their split and that was the thing

01:48:14.560 Elon went to.

01:48:15.520 That was his go-to when he got real furious.

01:48:17.860 He goes, oh yeah, well, let me tell you something.

01:48:19.800 It was like your girlfriend saying you have a little dick when you break up or something

01:48:22.800 like that.

01:48:23.200 His go-to was you're at Trump's in the Epstein files and that's why they haven't come out.

01:48:28.700 And that was before he made his whole move to like publicly try to cover them up.

01:48:32.200 And I do, I got to say, does make you wonder, does make you wonder what exactly did Donald

01:48:37.800 Trump do?

01:48:38.360 He definitely knew the guy.

01:48:39.580 He definitely partied with the guy and he's on record.

01:48:42.220 I don't know if you've ever seen this, a videotape of him talking about how Jeffrey

01:48:45.020 Epstein likes the ladies young.

01:48:47.280 Like he, he knew something about that.

01:48:50.420 Do your best to find it.

01:48:51.340 Oh, no, there's the, they have the quote.

01:48:52.620 I've known Jeffrey Epstein for 15 years.

01:48:54.280 Terrific guy.

01:48:54.820 He has a lot of fun to be with.

01:48:56.440 He likes the beautiful women as much as I do.

01:48:59.080 And many of them are on the younger side from 2002.

01:49:02.660 So 2002.

01:49:03.300 And it was, I'm almost positive I have seen it on video, but that's the statement.

01:49:08.400 But still like, ah, really weird things to say about a guy who six years later gets convicted

01:49:13.040 for soliciting an underage prostitute.

01:49:15.220 Like, yeah.

01:49:16.160 Yeah.

01:49:16.640 It makes you wonder what type of control these higher entities have.

01:49:22.640 Right.

01:49:22.980 Yeah.

01:49:23.400 Because do they do something like that with Trump where they say, okay, we're going to,

01:49:28.200 we have a bullet that's so accurate because who knows, maybe they used a drone, right?

01:49:32.460 He, you know what I'm saying?

01:49:33.000 And had it 20 feet off or hidden behind the, you don't know.

01:49:36.500 No, they could have, you know, they could have done something like that and just said,

01:49:40.540 okay, if you don't do this, if you don't, whenever this phone rings, if you don't pick

01:49:46.100 it up and do whatever it said, you're going to die.

01:49:48.320 Right.

01:49:49.600 You have to just wonder what kind of things are they using?

01:49:52.280 Cause that could be the ultimate thing.

01:49:53.540 Right.

01:49:53.640 You know what I'm saying?

01:49:54.020 And we're going to harm someone from your family.

01:49:55.920 Yeah.

01:49:56.220 Um, well, it's something people have always wondered about because, you know, you get

01:50:01.740 people who like, we know, right.

01:50:05.940 We know for a fact that these are people who will lie the country into war, you know?

01:50:13.680 Like, so these are people who are comfortable with like killing a whole lot of innocent people

01:50:19.780 for an agenda.

01:50:21.560 And in fact, I think like, uh, um, uh, Henry Kissinger even kind of said like his whole

01:50:29.420 worldview was that once you rise to the upper echelons of power, there's no such thing as

01:50:34.740 like morality anymore.

01:50:35.980 This is like a grand chessboard kind of, you know?

01:50:38.400 And so like, once you look at things like that, like, just think about like, if you were,

01:50:42.220 you were like, if you're willing to make the decision to send Israel more weapons after

01:50:48.440 you've seen what they're doing with those weapons, or even you'll go over there and like Nikki

01:50:52.160 Haley autograph a bomb that's about to go be dropped.

01:50:55.880 Like, even if you, even if you somehow supported what Israel was doing, which I don't know how

01:51:00.400 you could, but even if you did, like you'd go, look, it's so horrible that they have to do this,

01:51:04.700 but they've got to get Hamas out or more people will end up dying or something, you know,

01:51:08.320 whatever your rationalization or justification was, you still recognize that a lot of these

01:51:12.840 bombs are dropping on kids.

01:51:13.880 I'm not going to autograph it.

01:51:15.100 There's something like, it's so tasteless and evil, but so you're already that type

01:51:19.840 of person.

01:51:21.340 What else would they do to control people?

01:51:24.040 Well, it seems like killing's not off limits.

01:51:25.960 So it does make you wonder like what, and we know some things like from history, like

01:51:31.480 we know, um, the way, say like, uh, the FBI was blackmailing Jack Kennedy, where they

01:51:37.160 were basically, um, were they?

01:51:39.160 Yeah.

01:51:39.580 They, uh, yeah, it's all, it's all been like, uh, um, well reported on and documented that,

01:51:44.940 um, in fact, Kennedy, you mean John F Kennedy.

01:51:47.420 Yeah.

01:51:47.660 So in fact, even in the, in the movie that they did, they had, cause his wife's

01:51:51.340 name was Jack Kennedy, Jackie Kennedy.

01:51:53.920 Yes.

01:51:54.260 Yes.

01:51:54.400 Yes.

01:51:54.580 They, but they called him Jack, uh, for that was his nickname, but, uh, no, they, they,

01:51:59.280 um, uh, what's his name?

01:52:00.900 Um, the head of the FBI, um, uh, Hoover, uh, um, John Edgar Hoover, like presented Bobby

01:52:10.280 Kennedy was the attorney general and he presented them with a whole long, uh, like a document

01:52:16.840 of all the women that JFK was cheating on his wife with and then gave him a like, you

01:52:21.940 know, don't worry.

01:52:22.580 There's, we, we have all of this.

01:52:24.500 We'll make sure it doesn't get out.

01:52:25.560 You know, Hey, who are you thinking, uh, nominating for a FBI director?

01:52:29.440 Cause I'm thinking you do me again, you know, like he did and he just had, and so there's

01:52:34.060 all types of different levels of that shit.

01:52:35.860 And you know, what's messed up, dude, is like, it's dark and it's twisted, but some

01:52:40.120 of it also sounds kind of like there's an excitement and there's a, there's an addiction

01:52:46.600 about the nefariousness.

01:52:48.080 Yeah, I think so.

01:52:49.000 There's something tantalizing about it, you know?

01:52:51.460 And I bet there's something, I bet that's true with just power.

01:52:54.620 Right.

01:52:54.840 You know, like just the power has got to be a drug.

01:52:57.360 Everything must just be.

01:52:58.840 When I was, when I first started standup, so this would be like, I started in like late

01:53:03.560 2006 and this was somewhere in 2008, eight.

01:53:07.180 So I'd been doing comedy for like two years and I, it was my first road gig that I ever

01:53:12.120 did.

01:53:12.820 Uh, Jay Oakerson brought me and it was in Detroit at a Mark Ridley's comedy castle.

01:53:18.120 And they, at the time, like none of us had, we, none of us sold tickets or anything like

01:53:22.040 that, but they papered the room.

01:53:23.280 So it was a full room.

01:53:24.580 And I had only, I had maybe been in front of like 70 to a hundred people in like my biggest

01:53:29.340 shows.

01:53:29.640 And this was a 350 seat room, papered, I was super nervous, but they were an unbelievable

01:53:35.720 crowd.

01:53:36.160 Like they were, it was easy.

01:53:37.220 They were just white hot.

01:53:37.880 I was a brand new comic, you know, it was probably doing like kind of horse shit jokes,

01:53:41.240 but like they worked and I was getting less, but I had never done a room of like 350 people

01:53:45.800 and they were hot.

01:53:47.220 They were just white hot.

01:53:48.020 They just loved everything.

01:53:49.040 It was easy.

01:53:49.800 And just the, I remember the feeling of just killing with a room of 350 people, which I had

01:53:54.920 never experienced before.

01:53:56.180 And it be almost like just being like intoxicating, you know, like, ah, just like, you know, it's

01:54:01.800 just so great.

01:54:02.340 And like, almost like there's nothing I could do in life right now that could ever recreate

01:54:06.500 that fit.

01:54:07.220 Cause you know, there's something about being a new comic too, that like even doing like

01:54:10.540 a big room now, it's still fun.

01:54:11.820 It's still great, but it's not quite like that first time when you're so nervous and

01:54:15.000 then it's so awesome.

01:54:15.900 And then it's so, but so like, imagine the feeling of power or when you could like move

01:54:22.020 nations, you know, like you could make a decision.

01:54:24.700 And I'll tell you, there's this tape of Hillary Clinton right after, uh, they overthrew

01:54:29.860 Muammar Gaddafi, which was her big, they called it Hillary's war.

01:54:34.880 It was, she was, and even Barack Obama in his memoir said she was really the one who pushed

01:54:39.280 him over the edge.

01:54:39.920 He was like 50, 50 about it.

01:54:41.740 Hillary Clinton really got him to do it.

01:54:43.460 And they wanted this to be the thing she ran on.

01:54:46.220 Against Iran?

01:54:47.620 No, this is against Libya.

01:54:48.980 This is when they overthrew Muammar Gaddafi in Libya.

01:54:51.140 And she comes, and this is when you might remember, there's like her famous thing where

01:54:54.880 she goes, she goes, we came, we saw he's dead.

01:54:58.140 Ha ha.

01:54:58.440 And then just starts cackling, laughing.

01:55:00.000 And you can see in her, the sociopathic excitement that she just overthrew a government of a nation.

01:55:08.240 Like, and now Libya has been a failed state ever since.

01:55:10.760 And probably hundreds of thousands of people have died.

01:55:12.500 And there's open air slave markets still to this day.

01:55:14.720 And even by the time she was running for president in 2016, she couldn't run on this anymore because

01:55:19.040 it was five years later and the whole thing was a disaster already.

01:55:21.500 But look at the happiness in her face.

01:55:24.120 Look at the excitement.

01:55:26.120 So, I mean, that is the land of unconfirmed.

01:55:28.880 Yes, we came, we saw, he died.

01:55:33.240 Did it have anything to do with your vision?

01:55:35.140 I mean, she's talking about a human, however you feel about Muammar Gaddafi, he was a rough

01:55:38.220 dictator.

01:55:38.640 She's talking about a human being who was dragged through a street by an angry mob and

01:55:44.740 sodomized to death.

01:55:46.700 Like, I'm just saying most normal human beings would have at least a thing in them where you're

01:55:51.100 like, you probably aren't cackling about that.

01:55:53.320 Yeah.

01:55:53.760 Like a couple days after it happened.

01:55:56.320 Yeah.

01:55:56.960 I guess there's this other world where it's like, it's just dark up there.

01:56:01.660 But yeah, people are toppling nations.

01:56:03.560 People are thinking about world power and world control.

01:56:05.940 Moving trillions of dollars around.

01:56:08.120 You know, like it's, it's a, there, so there's, there's an element of that.

01:56:11.900 And then, you know, there's obviously an element of like, there are ideologues, like there are

01:56:16.580 people who believe things like the guy, David Wormser, who wrote the clean break strategy

01:56:20.420 who I was arguing with, he believes things like he's, he's got a worldview, right?

01:56:24.920 So he's a Jewish neoconservative who believes that the relationship between Israel and the

01:56:29.920 U S is in our interest and all of these things and believes that Israel is the cradle

01:56:34.640 of Western civilization.

01:56:35.760 And that if we topple these regimes, it will improve the region.

01:56:39.860 But the reason why a guy like David Wormser can go to Washington DC and actually get things done

01:56:45.880 isn't really because everyone there is an ideologue.

01:56:49.360 It's because weapons companies will fund the think tanks that produce that type of bullshit.

01:56:55.160 Even though it's the dumbest shit ever, his whole plan was that like they would install

01:57:00.460 a Hashemite in Iraq and that the Shiites of Iraq would have to listen to the Hashemites.

01:57:07.420 It's all ridiculous.

01:57:08.580 It's like, they're, they're like a, um, it's like a Muslim lineage that supposedly is royalty

01:57:14.820 or something like that.

01:57:15.820 Like the King of Jordan is a Hashemite.

01:57:17.420 They're originally from Saudi Arabia.

01:57:19.160 I forget like the whole story, but they're, they're not native to Jordan.

01:57:22.300 They're Arabs.

01:57:23.340 But anyway, the whole plan is ridiculous.

01:57:25.300 But the reason why like Bill Kristol, like all the neocons, their think tanks were always

01:57:29.520 funded by like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.

01:57:31.840 It wasn't because those guys believed in any of it is business.

01:57:34.900 It's just like, yeah, there's going to be another war.

01:57:37.380 We'll get to sell a whole bunch of weapons to the government and rip them off, you know,

01:57:41.260 and make hundreds of billions of dollars.

01:57:43.560 So like, it's not, so like, I don't know.

01:57:45.460 There's just all these things going on at once.

01:57:47.320 And I don't know exactly how they control everybody, but it sure is interesting.

01:57:52.000 Watching all those guys, you know, you just like, you watch Kash Patel on a podcast and

01:57:56.440 then Kash Patel, you know, when he's in power and man, are they different people?

01:58:00.800 Yeah.

01:58:02.440 It's wild.

01:58:03.400 I mean, it's the wildest thing to me is how kind of accessible everything kind of seems.

01:58:12.740 It's like the fact that like comedians are trying to be comedians.

01:58:16.800 Well, we're comedians, you know, comedians like ourselves or people that have started

01:58:21.800 a podcast at some point that the fact that we're all that, I don't know, sometimes it

01:58:27.020 just blows my mind.

01:58:28.120 Well, it's crazy.

01:58:28.860 It's a crazy.

01:58:29.560 We're involved in it somehow, not involved like in an egotistical way.

01:58:32.320 Like we have some, but it's like, yeah, it's just like, what the fuck are we doing?

01:58:36.800 Dude, we, and it's, it's only because the news just completely fucking shit itself.

01:58:41.700 Well, it's a, there was a weird thing that happened at the exact same time.

01:58:46.840 There were these two phenomenons where number one was that the media had like been exposed

01:58:53.000 in a really big way.

01:58:54.620 And there were a lot of issues they were exposed on, but I do think the two most devastating

01:58:58.900 ones to them were COVID and Biden's senility because the two things are that number one,

01:59:08.300 like, I mean, there was WMDs in Iraq really degraded the institutions and things like that.

01:59:13.860 The Obama recovery, there were a lot of things.

01:59:16.080 Russiagate was a big thing.

01:59:17.160 But like, if you look at, say, I remember arguing with people about this, a couple of

01:59:21.300 people who I like and respect, but I was arguing with them about, so when I was supporting Trump

01:59:25.780 in, in 2024, they were like, dude, what are you, what are you doing?

01:59:29.820 You had all these criticisms of Trump, his first term, he did all these bad things and

01:59:33.020 now you're supporting them.

01:59:34.020 And I was like, look, man, this is got, this is going to destroy the corporate media.

01:59:39.000 And that's like the most important thing in America right now.

01:59:41.440 Now what they said, their, their counter to me, and at the time we were guessing, cause we

01:59:45.360 didn't know where this was going to go, but their counter was they go, yeah, but Dave,

01:59:48.660 last time Donald Trump came in, the media ratings actually went through the roof.

01:59:53.220 Like MSNBC and CNN got higher ratings out in 2016 when Trump came in.

01:59:57.280 And I was like, yeah, but that's cause of Russiagate.

02:00:00.340 They got everyone to watch cause they said they had this bombshell story.

02:00:03.760 And then that turned into nothing.

02:00:05.180 But the big difference now is after COVID and after Biden being senile, no one trusts those

02:00:10.260 guys anymore.

02:00:10.760 So they're not going to come back.

02:00:12.140 And I, but I turned out to be right about that prediction.

02:00:14.160 Like the numbers didn't go back up this time.

02:00:16.280 And so anyway, there, there is something there where like COVID at COVID affected everybody.

02:00:25.760 It wasn't like the war in Iraq.

02:00:27.300 Like, yeah, you kind of know they led us into war and a whole bunch of people over there

02:00:30.360 died.

02:00:30.720 And maybe if you know someone who went over and served, you know, and, and if you're

02:00:34.520 lower on the socioeconomic scale, you're more likely to know someone, but like a lot of

02:00:39.240 people don't know anyone who went over to Iraq and it didn't really happen here.

02:00:42.040 It happened over there, you know?

02:00:43.360 And yeah, we deal with the occasional terrorist attack or something like that.

02:00:45.980 But like it did, but COVID changed every, it affected everybody's life directly.

02:00:49.660 And it all got proven to be bullshit.

02:00:52.100 And then Joe Biden, it was just, you don't need to pick up a book or even read an article

02:00:56.400 to look at Joe Biden.

02:00:57.640 And the average guy could just go, yeah, this guy's clearly has lost it.

02:01:00.480 And you're lying to me.

02:01:01.640 And so that happened at the same time, the media blew every major crisis of the 21st century,

02:01:07.760 lied through their teeth and was, were exposed.

02:01:09.520 And the technology got to a point where essentially you could have, you would have needed like

02:01:15.280 a multimillion dollar budget to have a studio and a show just a decade ago or two decades

02:01:20.280 ago.

02:01:20.620 Whereas now, now we live in an environment where some random guy can just post something

02:01:27.040 and then he'll have like the CEO of the Daily Wire going, this kid's a bigot.

02:01:33.720 You know, did you see, did you see that the, not the CEO, it was the, like some title, some

02:01:39.520 higher up at the Daily Wire tweeted, some kid, just some kid who made like a video.

02:01:46.720 He had asked a question at a turning point event and then made some video.

02:01:50.880 And then he goes, look at the Nazi youth scum.

02:01:53.400 So like some regular, like the point is when we were younger, it would have been impossible

02:01:58.120 for you to even get the attention of that guy.

02:02:00.720 Oh, if you'd ever got, who was the guy on the, on the today show, the black guy, um,

02:02:05.860 uh, kind of chubby, lost a lot of weight.

02:02:07.800 Oh yeah.

02:02:08.240 Uh, Al Roker.

02:02:10.100 Yeah.

02:02:10.660 You would have never been able to get Al Roker.

02:02:11.900 No, you can't talk to Al Roker.

02:02:13.060 That's Al Roker, dude.

02:02:14.320 That's Al fucking Roker, dude.

02:02:15.340 Yeah.

02:02:15.960 That's Al.

02:02:16.880 Yeah.

02:02:17.040 Like maybe you would see a famous person on the street one day.

02:02:20.880 And that'd be like exciting.

02:02:22.080 But the idea that now some kid, some 25 year old, like right wing kid could get like a

02:02:30.720 journalist at the New York times furious, you know?

02:02:33.780 And like, and, and even this story, which I got to say, I am a little bit skeptical of

02:02:37.320 the kid, uh, Shirley, I think is his name.

02:02:39.460 Right.

02:02:39.740 Cause I saw one, cause I did see the other day that CBS, I believe it was, did send a

02:02:45.040 camera crew down to one of those places that he claims were, and there were kids there

02:02:48.780 and stuff.

02:02:49.160 And they should, so it was all, it was not exactly what he was representing it to be.

02:02:52.500 I do think there's probably widespread fraud there, but I'm just saying, making the point

02:02:56.220 that this guy, at least to me was an unknown, unknown entity as of last week.

02:03:02.160 He got like, last I had seen, it was over a hundred million views on the video.

02:03:07.240 And so it's not CNN who's breaking that story.

02:03:09.820 It's not NBC or CBS.

02:03:11.800 Nobody believes them anymore.

02:03:12.780 They've lost their, they've lost their credibility.

02:03:15.400 I mean, they're sitting here, sitting here semi apologizing for not even really apologizing,

02:03:20.280 just saying, trying to mildly admit something like, shouldn't there be a class action lawsuit

02:03:27.860 against them?

02:03:28.560 Yeah.

02:03:28.800 Is there any code of liability?

02:03:30.860 Like, could there be a class action lawsuit against them, against, for just something?

02:03:35.180 Yeah.

02:03:35.320 Well, that's right.

02:03:35.860 It's not even like you go to jail or there's a lawsuit, but how about just like mass firings?

02:03:40.800 Yeah.

02:03:41.440 Resignation, something.

02:03:42.380 No.

02:03:42.680 And then for anyone paying attention, you're like, dude, we know what just happened.

02:03:47.140 The Israel lobby just purchased you.

02:03:49.600 Barry Weiss is now in charge because you guys are bleeding support.

02:03:53.740 You're, you're not even in the business of news.

02:03:56.320 You're in the business of an agenda, obviously, right?

02:04:00.120 Like it's almost like, so I don't even like, sometimes with people like Barry Weiss and

02:04:04.580 Ben Shapiro and all these guys, people who are not fans of mine, but it's like, I would

02:04:09.940 at least just appreciate, just admit you're the Israel lobby.

02:04:13.220 Then at least we could have an honest conversation.

02:04:15.800 At least admit your priority here is Israel.

02:04:19.720 And then we could talk about like-

02:04:21.360 And pro, just skewing things pro-Israel.

02:04:23.740 Yes.

02:04:24.000 Like they just had those announcements of, um, of like that they need, who was the guy

02:04:29.480 who just said we have to adjust social media to, to, uh, or we're going to lose the first

02:04:33.740 amendment.

02:04:34.180 Did you see that guy?

02:04:35.040 Oh yeah.

02:04:35.820 Right.

02:04:36.220 Yes.

02:04:36.580 Yes.

02:04:36.780 I did.

02:04:37.100 I did see the video and bookmark it.

02:04:38.620 I forget what the guy's title was, but also just these people are like so concerned about,

02:04:43.100 they'll be like, you know, there's this rise of antisemitism and like, fair enough.

02:04:47.140 If I, I personally, and maybe I'm biased cause I'm, I'm Jewish.

02:04:50.680 So maybe I'm not, you know, the one to speak on this, but like personally, I've always been

02:04:55.020 very critical of Israel and the Israel lobby, but I'm not like critical of Jews.

02:04:58.620 I have regular people are regular people and you shouldn't judge individuals, but based

02:05:02.760 on groups, I'm against collectivism.

02:05:04.720 Unlike Sauron Mamdani, um, like I, I don't, I'm an individualist.

02:05:09.240 Uh, but if you're real concerned that there's a rise in hatred toward Jews, isn't it kind

02:05:14.980 of reasonable to go like, maybe you shouldn't have prominent Jews out there saying we're

02:05:20.120 going to repeal the first amendment.

02:05:21.500 Like maybe that's not helpful.

02:05:23.940 Yeah.

02:05:24.460 I don't know if this does help.

02:05:25.800 I mean, I just don't understand why this guy just in Israel, cybersecurity billionaire

02:05:29.900 Shlomo Kramer says it's time to limit the first amendment.

02:05:33.940 We need to control all the social platforms and take control of what they are saying.

02:05:39.280 Let's see, let's see this.

02:05:40.860 I know it's difficult to hear, but it's time to limit the first amendment in order to protect

02:05:46.860 it and quickly before it's too late.

02:05:49.860 What do you mean?

02:05:50.740 I mean that we need to control the platforms, uh, all the social platforms.

02:05:56.960 We need to stack rank the, uh, uh, uh, uh, authenticity of every person that, uh, expresses

02:06:05.180 themselves online and take control over what they are saying based on that ranking.

02:06:12.380 The government.

02:06:13.080 The government should control the social media.

02:06:15.020 Yeah.

02:06:15.420 Yeah.

02:06:15.740 That's what you want to hear out of a thick Israeli accent, but fuck anybody who says

02:06:20.400 that kind of thing.

02:06:21.120 Yeah, that's right.

02:06:21.820 No, you're my enemy now.

02:06:23.060 Yeah.

02:06:23.300 You're the enemy, dude.

02:06:24.200 You're going to control what we say in order to, but this is the crazy part to protect the

02:06:29.240 first amendment.

02:06:30.020 It's George W. Bush is lying about the free market is he said when they asked him about

02:06:34.160 the banker bailouts, they go, I thought you were supposed to be a free market guy.

02:06:37.400 Now all of a sudden you like socialism when it's big banks that fail.

02:06:40.060 And he said, I had to abandon the free market to save the free market.

02:06:44.820 That's sure is a nice way of saying nothing.

02:06:47.880 Um, actually you just abandoned it.

02:06:49.640 You didn't save it at all.

02:06:50.700 You just bailed out a bunch of rich bankers and actually government taking control of what

02:06:55.080 people are allowed and not allowed to say isn't preserving the first amendment.

02:06:58.500 That's just, this is straight up Orwellian newspeak.

02:07:02.420 Like it's, we're just, everything is, there's, it's, there's this, it's, there's another level

02:07:08.160 of control.

02:07:08.920 It's, I think like it's never been more obvious that there's another level of control, but,

02:07:13.720 but also that people are nervous.

02:07:16.400 Cause I don't know if you'd have a guy saying this sort of thing.

02:07:18.580 I mean, a lot of, they're freaking out a lot of social platforms.

02:07:21.500 I know Tik TOK just got bought by, um, Ellison, um, from Oracle and there's a lot of concern

02:07:30.020 that they're going to, uh, uh, try and, you know, limit or, or dictate what can be said

02:07:36.020 on there, you know?

02:07:36.840 Yeah.

02:07:37.180 Well, that's what, look, I mean, that's what all of this is about.

02:07:39.600 And this is kind of what I meant by like, at least just be honest with it.

02:07:43.380 Look like the reason this guy's saying this and the reason they just bought Tik TOK and

02:07:47.740 the reason Barry Weiss was just installed at, at, uh, CBS news is all for one obvious

02:07:52.920 reason, which it's the letter that Charlie Kirk wrote to Benjamin Netanyahu.

02:07:57.160 And Benjamin Netanyahu, right after Charlie Kirk got murdered, read a couple lines from

02:08:01.860 that letter, but he didn't read the whole letter.

02:08:04.160 Did he write him a letter?

02:08:04.900 I didn't even know that.

02:08:05.520 Yeah.

02:08:05.820 So the letter basically says, we're getting killed out here.

02:08:09.520 The Israel side is getting annihilated.

02:08:12.560 Dear Mr.

02:08:12.960 Prime Minister, one of my greatest joys as a Christian is advocating for Israel and forming

02:08:16.480 alliances with the Jews in the fight to protect Judeo-Christian civilization.

02:08:19.900 So Netanyahu reads that part, you know, doesn't mention any of the rest of this.

02:08:25.680 Most recently, I'm proud to have taken over Ambassador Huckabee's show on TBN, where we

02:08:30.260 continually support Israel and the Jewish people.

02:08:33.260 My team and I have spent months analyzing these trends and debating ideas that could

02:08:37.560 help you and your country push back against the disturbing developments.

02:08:41.360 Anti-Israel sentiment can undermine American support for Israel.

02:08:45.180 The purpose of this letter is to lay out your concerns and outline.

02:08:47.380 If you get down to it later, I mean, he just, he basically, what he's just saying here is

02:08:52.380 like, listen, he has a whole proposal for what Israel has to do for their new PR strategy,

02:08:56.880 but he's very brutally honest.

02:08:58.920 And he's like, you guys are getting killed with the young people here.

02:09:02.540 And so anyway, that's just the point is that all of this, that's why you're talking about

02:09:06.660 limiting the first amendment, because everyone's talking about how evil the Israeli regime is.

02:09:11.560 Everyone's talking about how much undue influence they have over our government.

02:09:15.000 So why not just be, this is, be honest about that.

02:09:17.320 This is what, like, I wish they would just tell us why we pay Israel every year, right?

02:09:22.660 Like, and I know some of it is that they just buy weapons and it seems like it's like this,

02:09:26.360 it's like a lot of defense and technology stuff.

02:09:28.760 And, and that's a lot of, it's not like we just send the money there, but I mean,

02:09:33.720 we do send the money there, but then it's used to buy weapons.

02:09:35.700 You know, it's like part of a, a percentage of it is spent on our military company.

02:09:39.100 So, so yes, a percentage of it is redistributed from the working class in America to Israel,

02:09:44.540 but don't worry, a percentage of that is also redistributed from the working class,

02:09:48.460 two big weapons companies.

02:09:49.900 So if that makes you feel better so that they can use those weapons to drop bombs on behalf

02:09:54.260 of Israel on like Houthis in Yemen, the poorest country in the Middle East.

02:09:58.200 Right.

02:09:58.380 And then they can sell new weapons to our government.

02:10:00.760 And then we can also weaponize those countries to fight back against us.

02:10:04.640 Right, right, right.

02:10:05.220 Oh, and also, you know, and look, I mean, it's the same, it's, it's the crazy thing with like

02:10:09.060 these, uh, these guys celebrating the success of Venezuela.

02:10:13.080 You're like, look, dude, the war, we just had an Afghan, uh, who murdered a few American

02:10:18.100 citizens, right?

02:10:18.960 Because he was one of the, the people who was a collaborator with us in Afghanistan.

02:10:23.480 And so we felt we had to protect him by bringing them in as we brought in a whole bunch of them

02:10:27.460 here.

02:10:27.660 And also who was a collaborator with us in a war means what he was a 20 year old who

02:10:34.200 grew up in a war.

02:10:35.500 So yeah, there's a whole bunch of like PTSD and crazy shit going on there too.

02:10:39.220 How many of those are we going to have out of Venezuela?

02:10:41.220 The answer is we don't know.

02:10:42.960 We don't know.

02:10:43.500 It's a total guess.

02:10:44.960 Yeah.

02:10:45.300 Right.

02:10:45.500 Oh yeah.

02:10:46.180 No, and I'm real.

02:10:46.780 I am real concerned about that stuff too, man, because this is, well, this is, this is

02:10:51.280 what motivated a whole lot of the terrorism problem that we've had to deal with from the

02:10:54.800 very beginning.

02:10:55.340 And so you think you're going to just fund and, and arm this genocide for two straight

02:10:59.740 years.

02:11:00.060 There's a whole bunch of people who really do hate our guts over that.

02:11:04.080 And, but, but, but regular humans like us, regular American people are the ones that suffer

02:11:08.040 because we're the ones out on the street that are walking somewhere.

02:11:10.620 If there's a machine, like these rich people, these fancy or, you know, like these elites,

02:11:14.840 they never deal with anything like that.

02:11:16.480 You know, like they're all have security and are protected.

02:11:19.320 It's like, it's the everyday person out on the street.

02:11:21.560 He's got to worry about some psychos, you know, going off.

02:11:25.000 Well, that's, but that's the whole thing, dude, too, about the nature of our decadent

02:11:28.720 elites.

02:11:29.120 That's so infuriating.

02:11:30.300 And there's so many examples like this, right?

02:11:32.360 Where like, even during, during COVID, if you could think about like how much they're

02:11:35.900 lecturing everybody else for not wearing a mask, but then you see Gavin Newsom or you

02:11:40.400 see Nancy Pelosi, she ain't wearing a mask.

02:11:42.280 They're at the fancy restaurant yucking it up.

02:11:44.320 Right.

02:11:44.460 But it's people who they live in gated communities, but they call you a racist.

02:11:48.500 If you believe in a strong border, they got armed security, but they believe in gun control

02:11:53.120 for you.

02:11:53.680 You know, they, they, they, you know, destroy public schools, but they send their kids to

02:11:58.660 fancy private schools.

02:11:59.780 So they don't got, it's like, they don't got to suffer any of the ramifications of the

02:12:03.820 hell on earth that they bring through for all these other people.

02:12:06.800 And obviously like the, the biggest victims here are the Palestinian people, but yeah, it's

02:12:12.480 also the American taxpayer who gets ripped off.

02:12:14.540 And we also open, look, uh, Muhammad Atta, who was the lead hijacker, right.

02:12:18.640 Who flew into the North tower.

02:12:20.220 He was radicalized when Israel slaughtered a bunch of people in Lebanon.

02:12:24.440 He signed up with Osama bin Laden that week.

02:12:26.500 I believe it's like, this is one of the main, it was one of the biggest grievances that Osama

02:12:31.200 bin Laden had was your support for Israel and what they do to the Palestinian people.

02:12:34.840 His other letter to America, you mean it in his letter to America, I believe it was

02:12:39.840 in there.

02:12:40.080 And, and he had two declarations of war against America, which I think were even more interesting

02:12:44.420 than the letter to America.

02:12:45.800 But he lists his grievances very clear.

02:12:47.660 He didn't like that.

02:12:48.200 We had our bases in Saudi Arabia.

02:12:50.000 And why did we have our bases in Saudi Arabia for the dual containment policy against Iraq

02:12:54.520 and Iran?

02:12:55.120 Well, who needed Iraq and Iran contained, you know, like it's always.

02:12:59.740 And so it's like, we, we do this at our own peril.

02:13:03.380 Yeah.

02:13:04.120 It's almost like the elites.

02:13:05.300 They just, they, they open up like the game of life and we're all the pieces and we're all

02:13:09.620 the like, and they're just playing this thing.

02:13:11.600 Like it's not even real to them.

02:13:12.940 Oh, it's your turn.

02:13:13.960 Yeah.

02:13:14.060 Go to the community chest, get some money out of there.

02:13:16.120 Oh, go over there.

02:13:16.880 You want some houses?

02:13:17.680 Sure.

02:13:17.920 Sell them.

02:13:18.280 You want some oil?

02:13:18.860 Get a railroad, whatever you need.

02:13:20.200 Oh, your dad owes you whatever.

02:13:21.820 Oh, it's just so crazy.

02:13:23.800 Yeah.

02:13:24.140 But like you said, it is more, it's so much more exposed now than ever before.

02:13:28.720 It is.

02:13:29.080 And that's what makes it, that's what makes the, the time so interesting.

02:13:32.880 Yeah.

02:13:33.040 I will say this.

02:13:33.600 It's interesting.

02:13:34.500 This year is going to be interesting.

02:13:35.660 Do you think that things get even crazier this year?

02:13:37.980 Or do you think, because I do think there becomes a level of kind of like exhaustion,

02:13:42.500 right?

02:13:42.840 And there becomes a level of like, we're not going to get any truth.

02:13:47.260 We're not going to get, um, and then, and then truth, people who are trying to seek truth,

02:13:53.360 right?

02:13:53.540 Who are trying to share truth that they're, they're not even going to be able to allow,

02:13:58.200 be allowed to put their information out there.

02:14:02.060 I think, uh, that's probably the biggest fear of this year for me.

02:14:05.060 It's hard.

02:14:05.460 It's hard to make predictions.

02:14:06.400 I'm not saying me.

02:14:06.800 I'm just saying for other people.

02:14:07.580 No, I understand what you're saying.

02:14:08.400 I think it's hard to make predictions because it's such, so many crazy things happen and

02:14:12.900 so many things are going to happen.

02:14:13.960 So like now, right?

02:14:15.720 Okay.

02:14:16.200 Well, what happens with Venezuela?

02:14:18.500 That's a huge question mark.

02:14:19.900 And that's going to have a huge impact on where the rest of this year goes, but where

02:14:24.340 things are right now, my best guess is at the end of this year, uh, in November, I think

02:14:32.060 the Democrats are going to destroy the Republicans in the, uh, in the midterm elections.

02:14:37.460 And I think, I think they're going to, I think they're going to run and win on, um, on affordability,

02:14:43.040 which has been this, you know, which I hate the term because it's like, they literally just

02:14:47.380 like it's price inflation.

02:14:49.120 We already had a term for this.

02:14:50.960 It's debasement of currency.

02:14:52.440 We got, now you come along and you make some other term and then you go, oh, and the answer

02:14:56.240 is socialism.

02:14:56.840 So the answer is we need more government, even though the whole problem is that we have

02:15:00.760 so much government, we can't afford it.

02:15:01.980 We have to print the money.

02:15:02.740 So like, I think they've got it completely backward, but at the end of the day, that's

02:15:08.320 actually what people care about, man.

02:15:10.000 People are getting killed out here.

02:15:11.380 What they actually care about is that it's like, you know, I talked to my, my father-in-law

02:15:15.640 is a truck driver and has been a trucker for 50 years or something like that.

02:15:20.780 And, um, he's, you talk to him, you know, he's like, listen, I see how much taxes they're

02:15:28.280 taking out of my, uh, paycheck every week.

02:15:30.880 And the price of everything just goes up and up and up.

02:15:33.560 That's what he wants to talk about.

02:15:35.000 You know what I mean?

02:15:35.500 Like that's what, that's what the entire working class of America is thinking about.

02:15:38.460 And so Trump could sit here and brag that he degraded Iran's non-existent nuclear weapons

02:15:44.220 program.

02:15:45.740 No one cares.

02:15:47.040 No one cares.

02:15:47.900 Like the, to the extent that people care, we're against it.

02:15:50.840 And even the people who are for it, it's not, so I just think as of right now, he hasn't

02:15:55.340 delivered nearly enough.

02:15:56.520 He, he over promised like crazy and the Ukraine war on day one, you know, all these things,

02:16:02.500 which I think he's, he's tried to at least do that, but he's failed so far.

02:16:06.000 And so unless he can rack up some wins, like some real clear W's for the American people,

02:16:12.100 not I liberated the Venezuelans, which no one believes was actually the, the, the goal

02:16:17.480 anyway.

02:16:17.720 And the last thing we want as a, as a people here is to have the, now there's like this

02:16:22.420 stress of like, okay, well, what do we have to do to take care of them now?

02:16:25.760 What's that going to cost us?

02:16:27.120 Right, right.

02:16:27.440 We're over that, you know, like, what were they really doing?

02:16:30.040 What are you guys really trying to do here?

02:16:31.520 It's just like, it's just whatever.

02:16:32.920 It's a shame to me because also like, look, like if you take Zoran Mamdani, the, who just

02:16:38.580 got sworn in as the mayor of New York, right?

02:16:41.340 Like they, it was such a funny thing, man, because they, first off, they ran Cuomo against

02:16:47.560 him of all the people.

02:16:48.900 Like he was the establishment figure, the, the murderer governor who like killed all these

02:16:54.000 old people and locked down the city.

02:16:55.880 And they just had all this baggage.

02:16:57.520 And then he's also a huge Israel supporter, a friend of Netanyahu's and all that.

02:17:03.680 And so they thought the way to attack Mamdani was to go like, he won't even commit to visiting

02:17:09.060 Israel.

02:17:09.580 And you were like, dude, everyone hates Israel right now.

02:17:11.900 Like what?

02:17:12.380 So, but in his speech the other day, he has this line that of course, a bunch of the conservatives

02:17:16.460 are flipping out about, but he said, we're going to something like, we're going to shake

02:17:19.440 off a rugged individualism in favor of collectivism.

02:17:24.180 And I just find it so interesting that the guy, the one guy who's running for mayor, it's

02:17:30.020 not a position that matters for foreign policy, but he would at least, you know, I don't like

02:17:34.020 socialism and I don't like wokeism and he was one of each, but he at least stuck up for

02:17:39.480 the poor Palestinians a little bit.

02:17:41.020 And I kind of liked that, but it's so funny to hear that guy embrace collectivism.

02:17:45.920 We're like, Hey, you want to see collectivism?

02:17:48.100 Look at Gaza.

02:17:49.240 That's collectivism.

02:17:50.280 That's collective punishment that in fact, what is the defense?

02:17:53.540 Oh, you want to play the clip?

02:17:55.000 Yeah.

02:17:55.120 Play the clip.

02:17:56.160 We will draw this city closer together.

02:17:59.280 We will replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism.

02:18:04.920 If our campaign demonstrated that the people of New York yearn for solidarity, then let

02:18:11.040 this government foster it because no matter what you eat.

02:18:15.040 Well, let me, let me say my point.

02:18:16.620 So the, look, when I say what's going on in Gaza is collectivism, what the number, and

02:18:21.260 I've done like a bunch of debates on Israel, Palestine over the last couple of years, like,

02:18:26.940 you know, um, dozens of them.

02:18:28.640 Um, and the number one defense, I'm sure you've heard this back to, right?

02:18:32.880 Like the number one thing that an Israel defender would say to you is, um, don't start a war.

02:18:40.300 You know, they'll go, this is war.

02:18:41.980 Yeah.

02:18:42.320 Innocent people are dying.

02:18:43.120 It's terrible, but it's war.

02:18:44.200 And Hamas started the war and there's what happens when you start the war and therefore

02:18:47.800 it's on Hamas.

02:18:48.700 Right.

02:18:49.000 And so like, no, look, there's a lot of things wrong with that defense.

02:18:51.960 Like part of it is that like, okay, yeah, but what about a brutal 60 year occupation?

02:18:56.120 What about being kept as permanent refugees for 80 years?

02:18:58.700 What about you killing a whole bunch of people?

02:19:00.140 Like who really started it?

02:19:01.440 But the most fundamental thing that's wrong with saying that's why you don't start a war

02:19:07.100 is that the people we're talking about didn't start a war, but two year old girl didn't

02:19:12.200 start a war are you talking about, man?

02:19:14.600 This mother who's, who's crying, who just lost her child is she didn't start a war.

02:19:20.120 She just, you got kid, half the people in Gaza are kids.

02:19:23.580 They didn't start anything.

02:19:24.720 They just got fucked.

02:19:25.840 They just got born into hell, you know, like that.

02:19:28.820 They didn't start anything.

02:19:29.620 And so collectivism is like saying, oh, you're collectively responsible.

02:19:34.580 No, you guys, as a, as a, you guys started this war.

02:19:38.100 You go, that's just what bigotry is, man.

02:19:39.940 That's just blaming everybody for the sins of one group.

02:19:42.760 That's saying a black guy mugged me the other day.

02:19:45.120 Therefore blacks mugged me the other day.

02:19:47.700 Like, no, they didn't.

02:19:48.700 There's some other black dude.

02:19:49.600 I had nothing to do with that.

02:19:50.420 Who is just getting blamed for that, you know?

02:19:52.540 And so it's interesting to see the guy say like, oh, we'll, we'll shake off.

02:19:56.360 Actually individualism is the reason why what Israel's doing is wrong.

02:20:01.200 It's collectivism is what would justify it.

02:20:03.300 What do you think will be different, uh, with him and officer as mayor?

02:20:06.560 And do you also think some people think he, um, he's actually for the opposition, really?

02:20:13.640 I don't know.

02:20:14.420 Do you ever see, um, you ever, he had one of my favorite woke tweets of all time, which

02:20:19.640 what was the, did you ever see the, um, it's the defunding the police queer liberation tweet.

02:20:26.620 If you just look that up, mom, Donnie defunding the police queer liberation.

02:20:30.340 I believe the tweet still hasn't been deleted.

02:20:32.400 It's the, it's a great, like, uh, woke ad, uh, mad lib queer liberation means defund the

02:20:40.380 police.

02:20:41.400 So Ron mom, Donnie, like he was real into that woke shit back then.

02:20:45.260 I just love, I really does feel like you just picked out woke words and put them all together.

02:20:50.260 Um, but that's, I don't think, I think this guy's just kind of like an intellectual lightweight

02:20:56.560 and, uh, kind of goofy.

02:20:59.380 I don't think he actually gets that much done in New York city is my guess.

02:21:03.260 I can't imagine.

02:21:04.520 But maybe, I don't think any of it's good.

02:21:07.640 If he gets any of his plans through, it ain't going to be good.

02:21:11.180 Well, you know what I like, I think, and this is just my perception, right?

02:21:13.960 I could be totally wrong.

02:21:14.780 What I liked about him was that I just felt like he was the underdog.

02:21:17.120 Well, that is true.

02:21:18.340 No, he, he was, he was in the entire establishment.

02:21:20.920 It's like, always, that's the thing that always gets me.

02:21:23.420 It's like, are you the underdog?

02:21:25.400 Well, I get, I get that impulse and I do, I share that too.

02:21:28.760 I feel the same way.

02:21:29.800 I was kind of rooting for him to some degree too, because of that same dynamic.

02:21:33.180 I guess it's just like, the problem is that like, essentially the Republicans endorse a

02:21:39.940 whole bunch of socialism, you know, like there's a, we have giant entitlement programs.

02:21:45.580 Um, that, you know, social security and Medicare, they're actually, both of those programs are

02:21:50.560 socialist programs, but they're socialist programs that redistribute money from a poorer

02:21:54.380 group to a wealthier group, which is pretty indefensible when you think about it.

02:21:58.180 Like young people are poorer than the old people that they have to work to pay their social

02:22:02.280 security and Medicare payments for.

02:22:03.920 That's pretty wild.

02:22:04.360 Um, but they're assuming that it's them.

02:22:06.720 Yeah, supposedly, but what's actually happening is you're transferring wealth from a poor to a

02:22:10.880 richer group with the promise of like, you'll get some back one day.

02:22:13.460 Um, Medicaid is actually a welfare program that redistributes from working people to

02:22:19.360 poorer people.

02:22:20.300 Uh, but they're giant socialist programs.

02:22:22.700 The military itself is a giant socialist program.

02:22:25.380 It's like a big government program.

02:22:27.180 So the Republicans endorse a ton of socialism, you know, and then, um, the, the Democrats,

02:22:33.700 whenever the Republicans, you know, lead to disaster, they go, well, what we need is even

02:22:37.600 more, what we need is even more government, even more socialism.

02:22:40.120 And there's just what America really needs is Ron Paul.

02:22:43.920 Um, who's, uh, you know, just turned 90 and I think he's got one more presidential

02:22:48.340 run in him, but I'm not sure he might be, he, he might, I don't know his emails are

02:22:52.640 getting, but look, the point is the real look, I love Ron Paul, but I, his emails are getting

02:22:58.540 a little bit, they need to say the spell check and you can tell.

02:23:02.880 All right, listen, that's the, that's fair.

02:23:05.060 The guy's not perfect, but he's the closest to it.

02:23:07.160 Look, I, he could be perfect.

02:23:08.420 I'm just saying he's got his spell check his shit.

02:23:10.040 Okay, fair enough.

02:23:10.780 But also we just went through the Biden thing.

02:23:12.100 I don't think he can push an old person.

02:23:13.160 No, I'm just, I was, I'm joking about him being, he's not running for president again,

02:23:16.900 but Ron Paul was right about everything.

02:23:19.300 He was right about just about everything.

02:23:20.980 And he's, and the real answer to all of this stuff is actually Americanism, like true Americanism

02:23:26.880 and the best part of Americanism, which was always, and that's why that Israeli guy talking

02:23:31.460 about limiting the first amendment.

02:23:32.660 So infuriating the best, the best, what America needs is the bill of rights, the declaration

02:23:37.840 of independence, our constitution, what we were always supposed to be, what we abandoned

02:23:42.340 long ago.

02:23:43.220 That's actually what we need.

02:23:44.820 And, you know, I saw, um, a good friend of mine who I love and really, really respect,

02:23:50.480 um, who I think is brilliant, uh, Daryl Cooper.

02:23:53.460 And he was saying on Twitter today that like, he goes, dude, it's not even, it's pointless to

02:23:59.360 make the argument that this war in Venezuela was unconstitutional.

02:24:02.180 You know, he goes, it's a pointless argument to make because we've shredded the constitution

02:24:06.240 years ago and we've already accepted that presidents have these, these war powers.

02:24:09.740 And so like, I mean, I don't want to mischaracterize what he was saying, but I think it was essentially

02:24:13.080 something like that.

02:24:13.720 Like the, the argument just rings hollow, but I just kind of respectfully disagree where

02:24:18.560 I'm like, no man, like we either have the constitution or we don't, and it's a whole

02:24:22.820 lot better to have it.

02:24:23.860 And could anyone read the constitution and actually, this is where he said, stop whining

02:24:27.640 about the action, uh, or unconstitutional or whatever you look weak and might as well

02:24:33.440 be complaining that it doesn't follow Hammurabi's code.

02:24:36.620 Uh, Trump knows that American leaders are judged by whether they win or lose nothing

02:24:39.980 else.

02:24:40.360 Now, look, he's right about that to an extent, right?

02:24:43.000 Like if Venezuela turns around tomorrow and is a bastion of freedom or something like that,

02:24:47.240 then that's a huge win for Donald Trump.

02:24:48.980 And he's going to be able to brag and people will go, Oh, Dave, you care about morality and

02:24:52.680 the constitution, but this worked.

02:24:54.120 So like, he's right about that.

02:24:55.680 But the point is that it's like, dude, if you just like the constitution claims to be

02:25:02.020 the law of the land, the constitution is what created this government.

02:25:05.700 So if you're going to accept that they don't have to live under that own constitution, which

02:25:10.340 they put a hand on the Bible and a hand in the air swear our politicians, Donald Trump,

02:25:15.960 the political class who swears to God in front of all of us, that they will uphold and defend

02:25:20.580 this document.

02:25:21.340 Like, I'm not arguing any of us are bound by the constitution, but they are, they swore

02:25:26.040 an oath to it.

02:25:26.920 You know what I mean?

02:25:27.240 They went into politics.

02:25:28.560 That's their, yes, their, their obligation in front of their nation and in front of God

02:25:33.100 was to defend and protect the constitution.

02:25:35.500 And you can't tell me, dude, that it's constitutional for a country that clearly poses no threat

02:25:41.040 to us.

02:25:41.420 Even if the drug accusations were true, it's not like an immediate, it's not there's nuclear

02:25:46.640 missiles lined up on Cuba and the president has to take action.

02:25:50.100 It's you had all the time in the world to come to Congress, to have a debate about this

02:25:53.940 and for our elected representative government to, you know, like vote how they feel about

02:25:59.800 the war, make their arguments to their kids.

02:26:02.400 But if you're telling me that our, the legal justification that they're going with is

02:26:06.180 that he's not the president.

02:26:08.760 That's what Marco Rubio said.

02:26:10.020 No, we didn't get the president of Venezuela.

02:26:11.360 We just got some drug dealer.

02:26:12.920 He's just a gangster.

02:26:14.080 He's not the president.

02:26:14.840 That was Marco Rubio tweeted today that that's like, dude, come on, this is so illegal.

02:26:19.600 This is so unconstitutional.

02:26:21.040 And if you're just going to sit back and allow a government to be like, okay, well, that

02:26:25.080 government who can violate the constitution against Venezuela is powerful enough to violate

02:26:28.760 every American citizen's rights as well.

02:26:30.840 Yeah.

02:26:31.220 It's weird.

02:26:31.520 It's like, we, you have to, if you stand up for it, you have to stand up for it, you

02:26:35.060 know?

02:26:35.400 That's right.

02:26:35.640 And, and also one thing that was interesting was whenever Ken Burns was here, we talked

02:26:39.660 about the declaration of, oh, this is a secretary Marco Rubio right here.

02:26:42.940 It says Maduro is not the president of Venezuela and his regime is not the legitimate government.

02:26:47.300 Maduro is the head of the cartel de los Soles, a narco terror organization, which has taken

02:26:51.560 possession of a country.

02:26:52.780 And he is under indictment for pushing drugs into the United States.

02:26:56.720 Who is he?

02:26:57.180 He's being indicted by us, but what proof do we have that he is the head of the cartel de

02:27:00.980 los Soles?

02:27:01.700 Zero, zero has been offered.

02:27:03.820 Zero has been offered.

02:27:04.620 It's not even clear the thing exists.

02:27:06.320 Yeah.

02:27:06.520 I was looking forward to it.

02:27:07.180 It seems to be like some low level mid network thing.

02:27:09.720 It's all bullshit and look like what they could say, which is might be true.

02:27:13.600 I'm actually not sure, but this might be true, but they'll be like, he lost the election or

02:27:17.000 the election was illegitimate or something like that.

02:27:18.940 It's like, yeah, like I, I referred to them on Twitter as a sovereign nation and some, a

02:27:23.980 bunch of people were saying, oh, they're not a sovereign nation, but it's like, listen,

02:27:26.860 man, first of all, we do business with dozens of countries that just don't have elections

02:27:31.360 like that are just aren't democracies at all.

02:27:32.980 And also you were saying the last election was bullshit.

02:27:36.740 Isn't that what Trump said about us?

02:27:38.960 Like, is that so, so by your logic, could anyone just come in and depose the Biden, like

02:27:44.800 even right winger Trump supporter who believes the 2020 election was stolen.

02:27:49.320 Do you really believe that China or Russia could have come into America two years ago and just

02:27:55.160 kidnapped Joe Biden?

02:27:56.680 Like you would have no problem with that.

02:27:58.300 I think you'd right away be like, no, no, no, no, motherfucker, we will decide whether

02:28:02.340 our illegitimate government stands or falls or what.

02:28:05.380 And so all of these things, this is all just complete nonsense.

02:28:08.640 I wonder how the people there feel.

02:28:10.220 Well, there were some people celebrating for sure.

02:28:12.300 I saw that, but then also some of those celebrations were happening in different countries and stuff

02:28:15.680 like that.

02:28:15.940 So you don't know exactly what was going on.

02:28:17.240 One of them was also from a soccer game after a soccer game in the streets.

02:28:20.500 So you don't know some of exactly what's happening.

02:28:23.200 And that also doesn't mean it's going to lead to something that they'll be celebrating.

02:28:25.860 I mean, look, this could be a nightmare for them.

02:28:28.300 Saddam Hussein was a Sunni, a Ba'athist party, right?

02:28:32.580 The Sunnis are like 20% of the Iraqi population.

02:28:37.520 And I think 60% are Shiites.

02:28:41.420 Definitely like there's a super majority of Shiites in the country.

02:28:45.100 And so when Saddam first got toppled, a lot of people were celebrating.

02:28:49.400 So a lot of them weren't Shiites who had been brutally oppressed by Saddam Hussein.

02:28:52.400 So they're celebrating.

02:28:53.460 But they didn't know that they were about to enter into the most brutal civil war where

02:28:59.080 just hundreds of thousands of people were going to get killed.

02:29:01.400 Again, I'm not saying because it happened that way in Iraq, that means it's going to

02:29:04.240 happen that way in Venezuela.

02:29:05.280 But the idea that the people are celebrating day one, like, okay.

02:29:09.120 Yeah.

02:29:09.320 Look, Maduro was not a good guy and he was a socialist dictator.

02:29:13.200 So like, okay, fine.

02:29:15.040 There's people happy he's gone.

02:29:16.420 But that don't mean that what replaces him can't be worse.

02:29:19.600 Yeah.

02:29:21.700 Yeah.

02:29:22.100 It's just, and then if we're involved in it, you know, how much are we there to help?

02:29:27.140 That's the question that used to feel different.

02:29:29.160 It used to feel like we're there to help.

02:29:30.500 And then now it's like, are we there to help?

02:29:32.740 Or are we just there to serve somebody's interests, you know?

02:29:36.280 And not even like a regular person's interest, right?

02:29:39.080 Yeah, that's right.

02:29:39.820 One thing that Ken Burns said, and he did like the Ken Burns documentary.

02:29:43.760 He just, um, he's a documentarian, you know, he is, uh, he had, he has a new documentary

02:29:48.560 about the American revolution, but he said that the declaration of independence, um, it

02:29:52.940 talks about the pursuit of happiness, right?

02:29:56.280 And we talked about it being like an active document.

02:29:58.920 It's not like a receipt, right?

02:30:00.720 It's like a, it's kind of a, um, it's an evolving document, right?

02:30:04.900 Like we're not guaranteed to have an America, right?

02:30:09.340 Yeah, so it was Benjamin Franklin's line was rightly, uh, some woman said, what have

02:30:14.040 you given us?

02:30:14.860 And he said, a Republic, if you can keep it, which is like a great, like, and then Thomas

02:30:19.260 Jefferson had some line where it was like, uh, the tree of Liberty has to be watered periodically

02:30:25.540 with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

02:30:27.720 So like, even they were going like, this thing is going to have to be kept.

02:30:32.880 Like there's going to be a process of having to continue this thing.

02:30:36.100 Like, it's not just like, oh, it's written down on a piece of paper, so it's a magic

02:30:39.400 potion.

02:30:39.840 And now this guarantees a free society, but I will, and I will say also like, because

02:30:44.520 there's like this debate about like a, a propositional nation versus like a blood and

02:30:49.260 soil nation or something like that.

02:30:51.340 And I'm not saying like America isn't just a nation of ideas.

02:30:55.380 It's a nation of people like who actually existed and a common culture and a tradition

02:30:59.740 and like all of those things and Christianity.

02:31:01.620 And like, there's a lot of forces there, but the fact that our first founding document

02:31:07.860 is the declaration of independence.

02:31:09.900 And the fact that we became the wealthiest, most prosperous, freest country in the world

02:31:14.920 is not a coincidence, dude.

02:31:16.740 And like, it's, it's so beautiful that the store that there's no country in history that

02:31:22.380 is started.

02:31:23.160 The starting place is that we say man should be free.

02:31:30.220 And also, I love this about the, it's like in the, like the first sentence or the first

02:31:33.460 couple sentences, they say it's self-evident.

02:31:36.180 They say, they say it's self-evident that God wants us to be free, which is not actually

02:31:41.300 self-evident, but I just love that as a starting point that it's just like, you know what?

02:31:44.780 Here's our starting point.

02:31:45.720 We're not debating that.

02:31:47.200 There's a God and God wants us to be free.

02:31:49.720 And then it says, and these are my words, not the thing, but then it says, uh, governments

02:31:54.940 are just a thing that man institutes to protect our liberty.

02:31:58.840 And if government's not protecting our liberty, then we have, uh, uh, the right and maybe even

02:32:04.320 the obligation to violently overthrow that government and institute a new one that will

02:32:09.820 protect our free, like that concept of like the individual and freedom and the natural

02:32:15.160 rights.

02:32:15.380 It never happened before in time.

02:32:16.420 It had never been like based on a government or a country based around that idea.

02:32:20.640 Well, I think that idea had never really occurred.

02:32:22.740 I mean, it had been like, I think you were coming out of a time where there was a lot

02:32:26.920 of colonialism.

02:32:27.620 It was like us as a group and what are we doing for, you know, our flag and our, you know,

02:32:32.600 or what are we doing like as a group, you know?

02:32:34.840 Um, and then America, it was like, no, we can be free.

02:32:39.760 You can be free.

02:32:40.860 Yeah.

02:32:41.220 Yeah.

02:32:41.380 I think it lit the pilot light of like creativity and individualism and people.

02:32:45.100 Yeah, no, that's right.

02:32:45.940 And, and was something always to strive for, like even when we weren't living up to it.

02:32:49.620 And in fact, even right, like, I mean, and look, the civil rights movement is complicated

02:32:53.080 and stuff, but at the heart of it, that was Martin Luther King's, uh, that was what he

02:32:57.200 said in his famous, uh, um, I have a dream speech where he said, I forget the exact line,

02:33:02.640 but it was something like he said, uh, we went to deposit our check and we were told there

02:33:08.480 were insufficient funds or something like that.

02:33:10.380 He had a line like insufficient funds, but essentially what he was saying, which he did

02:33:14.560 spell out in other, uh, speeches was that he's like, you said all men are created equal.

02:33:21.040 You said all men have an alienable rights.

02:33:24.620 So what are we talking?

02:33:25.660 Like he was able to play on that to go, right.

02:33:29.440 The metaphor is a bad check marked as a insufficient funds, but it's basically, but the bad check

02:33:34.180 is that he's saying like, look, we have these constitutionally protected rights here.

02:33:37.900 Like highlighting how the nation defaulted on the promissory note of the declaration of

02:33:41.520 independence and constitution, leaving black people to cash a check for liberty that came

02:33:45.200 back unpaid.

02:33:46.340 So he, so he was able to say, Hey, look, if the declaration of independence means what

02:33:50.960 it says, then you can't have Jim Crow.

02:33:53.520 What are you talking?

02:33:54.060 And so like, even like, it was always something that we, and then of course, um, America did

02:34:00.440 relatively to every other country that had ever existed, have the most free market economy

02:34:05.140 ever near the most free market, laissez faire capitalist country that was ever, uh, created.

02:34:10.160 And that led to the most prosperity ever.

02:34:12.120 We didn't, we didn't become a rich country, like in the way that the French or the English

02:34:16.360 did.

02:34:16.560 It wasn't like, Oh, you're, you're an empire that goes around and colonizes other countries

02:34:20.540 and extracts their resources back to yours.

02:34:22.760 We just built things.

02:34:24.020 We just had factories and men who worked and you know what I mean?

02:34:27.240 Like, so anyway, I just, I think that there's, there's like, there's been a huge, like we've

02:34:35.800 gotten away from that as a country for far too long.

02:34:38.880 But do you think as people we have, or do you just know, no, I think just as the, as

02:34:42.860 the upper realm and as the leaders and as the politicians, I think we've look as people,

02:34:47.840 I would say we've allowed our politicians and our government to get away from all of

02:34:54.480 those things and for the government to have been eating, we've been too comfortable.

02:34:57.420 Well, and they've just been amassing more and more power.

02:34:59.480 And it's like, uh, it's, it's this, this buildup effect where they always take a little

02:35:03.340 bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more.

02:35:04.960 And then you get to a point where the government spends like over $7 trillion a year.

02:35:09.620 It's like unthinkable.

02:35:10.840 And forcing most people into lifestyles that makes it tough for them to even have time to,

02:35:15.360 um, see who they're voting for and to know what's going on.

02:35:18.480 That's right.

02:35:18.980 And it's so hard to even know what's going on.

02:35:21.100 It's so hard to find good information and real information.

02:35:23.360 It's just, you know, and now it's like, where do you even get that from?

02:35:27.200 It's really, really tough.

02:35:28.340 Cause you can't like the news.

02:35:29.840 You got to just believe anything Candace says, man.

02:35:31.700 That's the new world we live in.

02:35:33.540 I don't know, dude.

02:35:35.020 She's pretty, I mean, she's brave, dude.

02:35:37.320 Oh, she's brave.

02:35:38.140 That's an understatement.

02:35:39.040 That's what we're saying at the beginning that, yeah.

02:35:40.880 Um, yeah, dude, her kids play like games or like, instead of playing, uh, cops and robbers,

02:35:45.860 they played who killed Charlie Kirk.

02:35:47.820 That's so crazy.

02:35:49.080 What do you think about journalism?

02:35:54.780 Before you go, we got to get you out of here in a little bit.

02:35:56.580 They just had the, um, they just had this stuff in Minnesota recently where the, where

02:36:01.200 this young guy, Nick Shirley, I'm sure you're familiar with him now.

02:36:03.760 And like you were saying earlier, like in a week, everybody knows his name.

02:36:06.420 Now he's been YouTube and he's been doing kind of like, uh, I would say kind of vigilante

02:36:11.360 journalism for a while, but like he kind of, he was going to investigate some of these,

02:36:16.240 um, Somali daycare centers.

02:36:19.440 What were your thoughts on some of that?

02:36:21.080 And then what do you think about vigilante journalism?

02:36:23.660 Like, I think this is just going to be like gasoline on, on, um, on just like anybody becoming

02:36:29.120 a journalist now.

02:36:30.060 Yeah.

02:36:30.320 I love that.

02:36:31.360 I mean, I think it's great.

02:36:32.660 And again, that's not to like vouch for this kid or something.

02:36:36.100 Cause like, I don't know.

02:36:36.960 Andrew Callahan's been doing it for a long time.

02:36:38.200 Guys like, no, I think those guys, I think those guys are really important.

02:36:40.680 And, and one of the things that I found so fascinating about this was just that look like

02:36:45.860 there's been, there's been reporting on the, the fraud in, in Minnesota before this.

02:36:50.920 And there's even been like, they claim some indictments and stuff like that.

02:36:53.880 But like, dude, just the fact that this guy is driving the media narrative now, and then

02:36:59.760 you see CNN and CBS and them, they got to now respond to him.

02:37:03.800 Like he's, it used to be, and I remember that, like when I started paying attention to this

02:37:08.580 stuff, which has been like 20 years or something like that now, um, it, the way it worked 20

02:37:14.780 years ago was that the New York times Sunday paper came out every Sunday.

02:37:19.360 And then that dictated what all the corporate media outlets were going to talk about for

02:37:23.660 the next seven days.

02:37:24.400 Like this was in the times.

02:37:25.600 And so it filtered out now it's this guy with a YouTube channel or with a Twitter account

02:37:30.820 and they can go and kind of like it, they can expose that.

02:37:35.300 Like there's this scandal and then like by exposing the scandal, it also exposes the media

02:37:42.600 and the justice department.

02:37:43.940 And it's like, why is this kid the one who's bringing us this information?

02:37:47.700 Right.

02:37:47.860 But I do think going forward, that's going to kind of be the new normal.

02:37:51.400 Well, we already had the information, right?

02:37:52.860 I think a lot of the information was already there, but it is interesting of how it served

02:37:57.400 to you and how, what you'll like, why now is it so much, uh, did it seem more real?

02:38:04.720 Cause he was right there with the people and you're hearing the people and all the windows

02:38:09.140 are blacked out at all these places.

02:38:11.140 Um, and then some of it, like the leering center that seemed too on the nose to me.

02:38:16.360 Like that almost seemed fake.

02:38:17.880 That's it just seemed crazy that no one would catch this.

02:38:20.540 I mean like that.

02:38:21.220 Yeah.

02:38:21.420 It did seem almost a little bit too much.

02:38:23.060 You're telling me a parent is dropping their kid off there or even somebody that works there,

02:38:27.300 that is pretending in there, if they're getting money and they're going to have that, it just

02:38:31.100 seemed, that seemed like stage.

02:38:33.440 It seemed almost too on the nose.

02:38:34.760 I know what you mean.

02:38:35.540 I know what you mean.

02:38:36.300 But what is interesting is that, you know, Tim Waltz, um, he ran on this as vice president.

02:38:43.500 Now he said it at the vice presidential debates that he was bragging about how they upped the

02:38:47.760 money that was going to daycare and that him and Kamala Harris were going to take this

02:38:51.300 program and federalize it and bring it to the national level.

02:38:54.360 And it's just, it really is something, you know, I don't know.

02:38:56.720 I find like, I think there's so many interesting conversations about all of that, but I think

02:39:00.660 that, um, like it does, it kind of ties back into the stuff I was saying about inflating

02:39:05.540 the currency, destroying the purchasing power of the dollar.

02:39:08.360 Now everybody, it's so weird to me when you think about like, like when I was saying like

02:39:12.560 my grandfather could have his wife not work and own a house and we are so much richer

02:39:17.340 than he was, the technological advances between then and that we should be living at such a

02:39:22.720 higher standard of life. And yet almost no young people can do that today. Like literally the only

02:39:27.540 people I know who can do that today are like rich, successful comedians. Like if you know,

02:39:30.940 like rich people could have their wife not work, that's the only people who really do that these

02:39:35.320 days or, or pretty much breaks my heart. It breaks my heart that both parents have to work all the

02:39:39.540 time. If they don't, if they don't really want to.

02:39:41.660 Well, so now while the, while these Democrats are talking about how the more socialism,

02:39:45.600 right? The government should provide your childcare, your daycare for you now. It's like,

02:39:49.880 does anyone ask like, do we want to live in a society where our kids are raised in daycare?

02:39:57.820 Like, I don't know. I got, I got little kids and I know people and I, I, I know when I say this,

02:40:02.660 people get upset sometimes. I don't mean to be like judgmental of you personally. Cause I know if

02:40:06.360 you put your kid in daycare, then this seems like I'm attacking you or something like that.

02:40:09.700 But like, I just can't imagine how people drop their babies, babies off at daycare.

02:40:15.240 Dude, I managed a daycare dude when I was like 15 and a half. Bro.

02:40:19.100 Dude, I love you. I would never drop my babies off with you at 15 and a half. Are you crazy?

02:40:24.040 No, when I was 15, I might've been 16. But dude, I remember one time I'd stayed out really late.

02:40:30.320 My buddy and I were, had been actually stealing boat radios to put a radio into my car. And we're

02:40:34.120 like, Oh dude, nobody's monitoring these boat radios like at the marina. Let's go there,

02:40:39.000 get some radios out of there. But there's some different, there's like a, some of the

02:40:42.540 wiring is different or whatever. Anyway, fucking nightmare. So we just got to work and I was

02:40:48.100 like, well dude, I'm just going to lay in my car for a little while because we'd all,

02:40:51.220 we'd been drinking a decent amount. And so I was like, I'm just going to lay in my car

02:40:53.420 for a little while. And then, um, I'll wake up whenever the sun pops up and then I'll,

02:40:57.780 um, manage a daycare or whatever. And then, so dude, bro, I fucking, I guess the sun,

02:41:04.800 like it wasn't that hot or whatever. I parked like where like the tree, like I was in the shade

02:41:08.320 of a tree too much. And I, one of the, um, the owners or whatever came over and knocked

02:41:13.360 on my windows like at eight and I was supposed to be there at six 30. It was like 8 AM. And dude,

02:41:17.320 it was like, my car just smelled like vodka and had all these fucking radios all over.

02:41:21.600 My hands were cut up from like getting the radios out. And, um, anyway, nightmare. But yeah,

02:41:26.940 bottom line, dude, I ran, dude, we, you probably shouldn't send your kids to that daycare.

02:41:30.360 Yeah. But I'm just saying anybody can do a daycare. Right. And we, dude, we watched

02:41:35.900 Terminator. I remember with them kids and them kids were little. Yeah. They shouldn't

02:41:41.060 have been watching it. You know? Yeah. That I appreciate your honesty there, but it is

02:41:45.860 like a thing where it shouldn't have been. I still feel bad. Sometimes I still wake up

02:41:48.800 and I'm like, fuck, they shouldn't have been watching it. Well, cause there's one scene

02:41:51.360 where you see like three tits in it or whatever, or total recall, total recall. That's

02:41:55.480 I remember that. That's the three to total recall. And there's a scene where the three

02:41:58.780 tits are on there and there's all these kids looking at it. I'm like, dude, y'all

02:42:01.600 shouldn't be watching this. That wasn't. And we were, we were watching it. That was

02:42:05.780 a problem. I, sometimes I forgot that I wasn't, I felt like I was in the class or

02:42:09.660 whatever. Well, I will say a lot of the reason I think why, uh, you know, these

02:42:15.620 people who are like the big government progressives and stuff like that. And, and the

02:42:20.400 whole kind of like neoliberal culture in America, which is always kind of like for years

02:42:25.460 has been demonizing, you know, straight white men and demonizing patriarchal families and

02:42:30.080 all of this. There's a reason why, um, like big central governments don't like the family

02:42:39.580 structure and religion and community and all of those things. Cause they're all a hedge

02:42:44.620 against their power and the system, right? Like this inflating the currency that leads to all the

02:42:52.440 things that we were talking about. Right. But that is actually very good for the political class.

02:42:57.160 It's very like inflation in general is very good. If you hold debt, if you're a big debtor,

02:43:02.540 inflation is your friend because you pay off the debt. Like if you, if you want, if you want to buy

02:43:10.340 something, but the money's worth a lot less, well, now your hamburger used to cost five bucks. Now

02:43:16.440 it costs 15 bucks. That sucks for you. If you're the person who wants to buy it. But if you owe

02:43:20.740 a thousand dollars and now you're selling, you owe less than you did before. So like, if you have

02:43:27.760 debt, inflation is your friend. And also in the old, well, in the old, it's not a bad thing to have

02:43:34.860 in an inflationary environment, but in the old system, like in the old order, right? My grandfather

02:43:40.940 would work at the factory all day long. My grandmother would work, you know, taking care of the

02:43:45.180 kids and managing the house and cooking and cleaning and all that stuff all day long. But only one of

02:43:49.520 those incomes was taxable, right? My grandfather's was taxable, but you can't tax my housewife

02:43:56.520 grandmother. But if she goes into the workforce, now there's two taxable incomes. Then you hire a daycare

02:44:02.860 worker. That's a third taxable income. And so there's just way more revenue going to the federal

02:44:07.480 government when the government's raising your kids rather than your mother. But it's not really so

02:44:12.640 good for the babies. Like it's better for the babies if their mom and dad are the ones raising

02:44:17.140 them or their grandmother or their aunt or someone who's just inherently always going to love them more

02:44:21.720 than some worker at a daycare. Well, that's why when a kid's mom comes to pick them up from a daycare,

02:44:26.580 as opposed to your babysitter come and pick you up or something, there's just a different feeling

02:44:30.900 about it. Even watching it, there's a different feeling about it. Um, yeah, you know, and then

02:44:36.320 it's also, it's like, if you get someone else to work, then you need another car. Now they need

02:44:39.360 another car to get to work. Right. And so then you have gas lobbyists and auto lobbyists that are

02:44:43.600 going to push for those things. You need those things. That's right. Um, I don't know. But then

02:44:48.600 also it's like, dude, I feel so bad sometimes because I get stuck in these circles of just being like,

02:44:53.160 like a Debbie downer sometimes, you know, and I don't think that that's, that's not good.

02:44:58.000 No, no. And I think, no, you're right. It's not good. And you don't want it. And I also don't

02:45:01.940 think we should be a downer. Like I'm, I'm still somewhat pessimistic on the short run here.

02:45:06.700 Like, I don't think things are going to, all these problems are going to be solved tomorrow,

02:45:09.640 but like we do, we're at the precipice of a new age. That's going to be something wild that none of

02:45:17.000 us can really understand. You know, I was, who was it was saying, um, might've been Jimmy Carr.

02:45:23.180 I can't remember. Somebody was talking about, um, when AI gets pointed at physics and then we can

02:45:30.100 like actually have AI, like inventing new things about physics. Cause like all the things that have

02:45:35.200 like really changed our world are related to the study of physics. Like the, you know, and the fact

02:45:40.280 that like, dude, my grandfather fought in world war two. Like this is a thing that happened in the

02:45:46.740 previous century. There were two world wars, you know, things looked pretty bad there for a while,

02:45:51.380 like people getting slaughtered by the tens of millions in world war one fighting and, you know,

02:45:56.800 17 year olds fighting and trench warfare and stuff like that. And now we're, we live in an age

02:46:02.420 where like an infection that would have killed you, you know, a hundred years ago is like, you go grab

02:46:08.920 some amoxicillin, you're fine. You know, people literally, you get strep throat. That's like no big

02:46:13.560 deal, man. Strep throat without amoxicillin is a really, really big deal. And so we have, my, my son was

02:46:20.240 saved with a, um, uh, open heart surgery that just 30 years ago, you just didn't have. And I would

02:46:26.220 have lost a kid. Like, so we do live in this amazing time and we all have more of a voice and

02:46:30.920 more of a platform and more opportunity to like, to work together and find truth. Like, I think

02:46:36.020 there's a lot of really beautiful shit going on, but part of that beautiful thing is that we can

02:46:40.180 expose how ugly this corruption is. And man, even as somebody who's really lived in the world of like

02:46:47.300 being furious at these guys for how corrupt it is, the more you get, the more information

02:46:51.580 you get, it's so much uglier than you. So it's like, it's like a metaphor for life in general,

02:46:56.500 right? In life, you got to deal with there. There's like tremendous beauty and there's

02:47:01.180 tremendous tragedy. And we all have that within us and you all, and you got to somehow like

02:47:05.960 stomach the tragic part of it so that you can get to experience a little bit of the beauty,

02:47:10.380 you know? Yeah. And even we're able to sit here and at least like feed ourselves. We're able

02:47:15.260 to talk about things. Like there's places where people have no freedom at all right

02:47:18.820 now, you know? Yeah. This is this video by Jimmy Carr here. Jimmy Carr drops a wild take

02:47:23.720 on AI and physics. Oh yeah, it was Jimmy Carr. I was right. He's excellent. Oh yeah. And this

02:47:27.220 was on a, I think it was on, um, is this on trigonometry? Yeah. He's excellent. Let's play

02:47:32.480 it. The other thing is physics. So this is Peter Thiel's point, but minus the screens from

02:47:40.760 any room were living in the 1970s, right? So nothing's happened in physics since 72. String

02:47:46.860 theory has not got us anywhere. But if you take the compute power of AI and point it as

02:47:53.280 at physics, now everything else in science is stamp collecting, right? Physics is the real

02:48:00.040 thing. That gave us everything. Every bit of technology that we have comes from the physics

02:48:04.760 department. And you know, what happens when you point AI at that? That's a, that feels

02:48:12.920 to me like something that people aren't really thinking about and is incredibly, um, could

02:48:18.200 be incredible. We could have a, uh, a world of, uh, plenty where there's no, you know, if

02:48:25.860 we, if we increase productivity by 50 times, uh, and there's a human flourishing, fantastic.

02:48:31.760 Right. But they've, but they, but we've done that and they haven't, and I'm not disagreeing

02:48:38.220 with Jimmy. This is obviously, uh, this is just a hopeful thought that he has. And it's

02:48:42.700 a beautiful thought. Yeah. Look like who knows, or maybe the AI will become our overlords and

02:48:46.920 we'll live in some terrible, but like, you know what, there's still that hope. And so

02:48:50.720 then, you know, you got to keep moving forward. And there were, there were more hopeless times

02:48:54.880 than this that people. And, um, and I do think that it's like, look, it's, it's quite possible

02:49:00.420 that we're going to come into an age where it's essentially impossible for politicians to

02:49:06.240 propagandize their own citizenry. And it does seem like we're moving much closer to that. And

02:49:11.040 that, what do you mean by that? Tell me a little bit more about it. Look, I mean, so what does

02:49:14.500 propagandize their own citizenry mean? Well, look, just to be clear. So living through, so in, in

02:49:20.380 2001, I was like 18, right? I was born in 83. I was 18 in 2001. So you had nine 11, the whole

02:49:27.740 country is totally traumatized. Um, for all of 2002, the whole, we invaded Iraq in 2003 for all

02:49:35.560 of 2002, they just laid out this war propaganda and there, which was, you know, the Israelis played

02:49:42.400 their role in the Israel lobby, of course. And Benjamin Netanyahu came and testified before

02:49:46.760 Congress that, you know, all this stuff. And, um, uh, Perez was a former prime minister of Israel

02:49:53.280 wrote an op-ed in, um, in the Washington, in the Washington post and Ehud Barak, Jeffrey

02:50:01.400 Epstein's good friend wrote an op-ed in the New York times all saying, you know, Saddam Hussein

02:50:05.080 has weapons of mass destruction. And if you overthrow him, blah. And they convinced Americans. I mean,

02:50:08.840 they really convinced Americans that Saddam Hussein was had, or was building nuclear weapons. And he

02:50:15.060 was friends with Osama bin Laden. And if we didn't go overthrow him, he was going to hand these nukes that

02:50:19.700 he didn't have off to these terrorists who he wasn't friends with and that they were going to

02:50:22.680 nuke Kansas or something like that. How many times do we fall for the same fucking trick?

02:50:25.960 But we, but the thing is all people, everybody who people look to, to get their news, like the

02:50:30.980 entire Republican base, they were getting their news from Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity who would

02:50:35.700 just, and Mark Levin. And these guys would just repeat the government propaganda over and over and

02:50:40.580 over again. They were nothing other than in effect state propagandists just repeating it. And then

02:50:46.000 liberals looked to the New York times and Judith Miller was repeating the state propaganda. And

02:50:51.260 her source was Chalabi, the same source that the neocons had, who by the way, it turned out to be

02:50:55.820 like an Iranian spy essentially. But regardless, they were able to today, if Donald Trump was trying

02:51:04.340 to sell us on something like that, he doesn't have Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity who will just repeat

02:51:08.900 his propaganda. He's got Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. Those are the biggest right-wing

02:51:13.380 commentators in America. They're going to destroy that propaganda for, you know, like it's like

02:51:18.040 the media, it's not state media anymore. It's actually independent media. And so their ability

02:51:24.420 to like launch another propaganda campaign like this is just, it's not what it used to be.

02:51:30.260 Yeah.

02:51:30.480 And so I think that leads, you know, this leads to the potential of a much better world.

02:51:34.320 Yeah. I mean, even today when we're looking at the Venezuela thing, we can pull up clips of other

02:51:37.420 other people's thoughts and theories on it so we can get a better, bigger look at it.

02:51:41.220 Yeah, that's right. And they actually have to kind of like face our ideas now. Like it's

02:51:46.460 interesting, like even, even, even if you watch the, I mean, I get it a lot. They flip out about

02:51:51.420 me, but like, if you watch the way they flip out about Candace or the way they flip out about Nick

02:51:55.100 Fuentes or Tucker Carlson or someone like that, it's like, but they have to flip out about them.

02:51:59.420 You know, in, in years prior, they would have just marginalized and ignored these guys.

02:52:04.160 And they tried for a long time.

02:52:05.000 They sure did. Well, they got Tucker fired from Fox News, right?

02:52:07.740 It doesn't matter. He's bigger. He's bigger now. So what now, what are you going to do?

02:52:11.820 And then Nick Fuentes, what are you going to do? He's banned off everything, you know?

02:52:15.180 I mean, he's on, I guess, Twitter and Rumble, but so what are you going to do?

02:52:18.620 And he's huge.

02:52:19.480 He's bigger than ever.

02:52:20.480 He may be bigger than ever. You had him on your show.

02:52:22.200 Yeah.

02:52:22.540 How was that? What is he like? Is he big or is he small?

02:52:25.640 He's not big. He's not a big guy. He's a small. I mean, he's not like tiny, but he's not.

02:52:29.620 Somebody said he rides a bike. Is that true or not?

02:52:31.320 I did not see him on a bicycle. I can neither confirm nor deny. I believe he took an Uber to the studio.

02:52:37.900 Someone said he rode a bike to him.

02:52:39.040 Oh, listen, I'll be honest. He told me he took an Uber to the studio. I did not see with my own eyes how he got there.

02:52:44.440 He could have bike ridden him.

02:52:45.040 Not an Uber black.

02:52:47.220 It was certainly an Uber white.

02:52:49.820 No, you know, honestly, my impressions, I like Nick.

02:52:54.860 Oh, he seems like a fascinating guy. I mean, he's obviously fascinating. People are fascinated by him.

02:52:59.480 Well, he's brilliant and he's hilarious, which is already something that just like, I just like that. I like funny people.

02:53:07.120 He's fucking brave, dude.

02:53:08.280 He's definitely brave. And, you know, we have some pretty large areas of disagreement, I think.

02:53:14.540 But I've always kind of believed like, I've always kind of believed like, okay, so then it's just maybe this is kind of like a little naive or something.

02:53:22.180 But my attitude is always like, all right, so we got some areas of disagreement.

02:53:25.400 So like, hey, let's talk about them and let's kind of like, let's have more conversations and more debates and more, you know what I mean?

02:53:32.200 And just, you know, I think he gets a few things wrong, but then again, he gets some really major things right.

02:53:39.040 And I think that this is part of the reason why they're all so scared of him.

02:53:42.200 You know, if you want to say that, like, Nick goes down a road of, like, racialism and even, it's not exactly that he, like, like, it's not that he, like, is praising Hitler and Stalin.

02:53:56.040 He's saying some complimentary things about them or something like that.

02:54:01.000 But if you want to say that, like, going down this road of, like, racialism and kind of revisionism about some brutal dictators in history, if you want to say, hey, that's wrong and that's off limits or something as, like, a cultural rule or a cultural norm.

02:54:18.160 Well, how the hell is the guy who's defending a genocide going to tell me that that's the case?

02:54:22.840 You know what I mean? It's like, oh, you guys, you guys are going to tell me, like, oh, Nick, Nick Fuentes is morally reprehensible, says the people signing the bombs that are going to drop on babies.

02:54:32.640 I agree.

02:54:33.060 Sorry. So you've lost that. It's just like to me, it's like that's over.

02:54:36.860 You lose the ability to keep this conversation.

02:54:39.500 And now people like us will decide who the hell we want to talk to.

02:54:43.440 And I decide Nick Fuentes is a very relevant, interesting person who I'd like to talk to.

02:54:47.840 Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with talking to most people.

02:54:49.920 That's what I think most of the time. Every now and then there'll be somebody like, I don't think I would talk to them.

02:54:55.340 But also it's wild that people assume you know everything about somebody when you're going to have them on a podcast or you're going to talk to them.

02:55:02.320 It's like, dude, sometimes I haven't looked like I'll know the person.

02:55:05.680 I'll be intrigued by one or two things I heard from them, but I'll have no idea sometimes if they were, you know, if there's been other stuff that people widely disagree with or whatever.

02:55:14.180 Well, yeah, yeah. Like the responsibility or the responsibility then, which I think is ridiculous, is that it's like you're endorsing everything they've ever said if you agree with them on one thing or something like that.

02:55:23.640 But I do think, you know, when Nick was on Pierce Morgan, who, by the way, for the record, I really like Pierce Morgan, too.

02:55:29.920 I'm not like and so I like Nick. I like Pierce. I like it's funny.

02:55:32.600 I love Pierce. I think his show is actually really great.

02:55:34.800 He's great and he has on a lot of great guests.

02:55:36.420 It's a circus at times, but I think it's like a really important circus.

02:55:40.420 But the thing that that's a great statement, some of these things are circuses, but it's a really important circus.

02:55:45.820 When you talk about like podcasting or some of these types of interviews, it's like, well, he had he had like he said a ton of things.

02:55:50.840 He had Wesley Clark debate Scott Horton.

02:55:53.680 He had he had Norman Finkelstein, Norman Finkelstein debated Benny Morris.

02:55:59.280 Like these like huge, very interesting debates with really brilliant people, you know, and like and but anyway, so when Nick was on, it was almost like there was the conversation that was going on.

02:56:09.940 They're both speaking past each other completely.

02:56:12.440 It's almost like Pierce does not understand the phenomenon that this kid is.

02:56:16.120 But to me, the more meta like kind of analysis of it, like what was going on there is that what I think what Nick represents in a lot of ways is, OK, there's been now in the country for at least 30 years, maybe a little more than that, really exploded in the last 15 years.

02:56:38.780 There's been this attempt by every single institutional force to police what Americans are allowed to say by shaming people as racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, all these these is.

02:56:54.160 And look, you know, because the funny thing about someone like Nick is people will make the point.

02:56:59.140 They'll be like, well, look, you could criticize Israel without criticizing the Jews.

02:57:03.940 And you're like, yeah, hey, I do that every day.

02:57:07.120 And you know what?

02:57:07.540 I get called for it by Mark Levin, a Nazi.

02:57:10.280 So it doesn't matter.

02:57:10.980 So what Nick in a way to me at least represents is a big fuck you to that whole game.

02:57:16.940 I reject that whole paradigm.

02:57:19.240 If you you're not going to police me by calling me sexist, racist or anti-Semitic because I say I am all those things.

02:57:25.140 So now what?

02:57:26.260 Now what do you do?

02:57:26.780 So now so if you come at Nick the way Pierce did, where you go, you let me play a clip of you.

02:57:32.000 That's horrible what you said right there.

02:57:33.300 I think you're a bigot.

02:57:34.440 And he'll go, yeah, fuck you.

02:57:36.100 I am.

02:57:36.920 Whereas when I talk to Nick and I go, all right, dude, listen, I think shutting conversation down with accusation of bigotry is fucked up.

02:57:44.240 But what do you actually believe here?

02:57:46.120 He actually opens up and gives you a much more nuanced take.

02:57:49.480 And like, no, is he a few clicks to the right of me?

02:57:53.540 Definitely.

02:57:54.400 He's a sensationalist, though, too.

02:57:56.140 Sure.

02:57:56.620 And there's a lot of sarcasm in all of that.

02:57:58.380 If I could see him being a conductor or I could see him being a the guy at the circus who's like dealing with all the animals, he would be perfect at that.

02:58:08.360 And I say that respectfully because, yeah, he's just he's good at doing it all himself.

02:58:14.600 Right.

02:58:15.180 But you have to have those moments that are that are bonkers out there or that seem bonkers to people.

02:58:20.120 Yeah, absolutely.

02:58:20.820 I also just think like in that, you know, it's like from being doing stand up comedy, you know, I know, you know, too, it's like you get you you develop a bit of an eye for talent.

02:58:29.940 And that doesn't even mean like it's not a question of whether like you agree or disagree or whether they're your favorite comic or not your favorite comic.

02:58:36.020 Like, but you could you could love really edgy, really filthy comedy.

02:58:40.580 And you'd still go Nate Bargetti is a beast of a talent.

02:58:44.020 You know what I mean?

02:58:44.500 Like you just recognize talent.

02:58:45.820 He's very good at what he does.

02:58:47.560 I mean, and Nick Nick's ability, like it just as a broadcaster, his talent is like legendary.

02:58:57.020 I mean, he's like he's second to none.

02:59:00.320 Maybe there are some tied with him, but like like Tim Dillon's ability to just rant into a camera.

02:59:05.380 Nick Fuentes has that level of ability.

02:59:07.560 And so there is a part of it, too, where you watch you watch all of these guys, you know, freak out.

02:59:13.140 But you're like, look, man, the kid's really good at what he does.

02:59:16.140 He represents a lot of people.

02:59:18.660 He was de-platformed for having views that actually a lot of people have.

02:59:23.220 And also there's just look like there's nuance to a lot of this shit.

02:59:26.600 I think that being racist.

02:59:28.820 And where was he de-platformed from?

02:59:29.860 From YouTube?

02:59:30.740 Yeah, YouTube.

02:59:31.640 He was kicked off Twitter.

02:59:32.880 He was kicked off like everything at one point.

02:59:35.180 I'm not sure what he's what he's back on now.

02:59:37.400 Yeah.

02:59:37.620 And I haven't I don't know a lot of the stuff that he's you know, I don't know a lot of the things that he said.

02:59:42.320 I mean, I know I've heard him say the N-word.

02:59:44.480 I've heard him say definitely said that some other stuff.

02:59:47.340 But some of the same word clips go hard, dude.

02:59:49.440 I'll be honest with you.

02:59:50.320 And some of them I've seen black people do mashups.

02:59:54.240 Well, there's always been something where there's always been a real weird dynamic about how being offended.

02:59:59.740 Being offended by words or jokes is such a white chick thing.

03:00:05.980 But they project that onto black people.

03:00:08.620 But actually black people, because I've known a few of them, are like the least offended people ever.

03:00:14.180 Like, you know, it's just so there's a weird dynamic there, too.

03:00:17.080 Also, though, and I'll say maybe this will be a real controversial thing to say at the end.

03:00:20.280 But I do think that there's we've we've lived under a world order for a long time where being a bigot is the worst thing in the world.

03:00:29.540 It's like the worst thing you can be is racist, you know.

03:00:32.020 And part of that is because, you know, we live in the world order that defeated the Nazis.

03:00:36.320 And so the biggest villain of all time is viewed as the racist and the greatest liberator of all time are viewed as the anti-racist and the biggest villain in the religion of modern America.

03:00:46.700 Like the devil is Adolf Hitler and Jesus is Martin Luther King.

03:00:50.540 That's kind of like the the the way popular, you know, the culture is constructed.

03:00:56.420 I think that.

03:00:58.600 There is actually a lot more nuance to bigotry and that everybody has a bit of bigotry in them.

03:01:04.840 And but I think that.

03:01:07.720 America, it is true to some degree that Americans have been replaced by immigration policy from their government.

03:01:14.600 America went from being a 90 percent majority white Christian country to now being it's like in the 50s percentage and may even be a majority minority country in the next couple of decades.

03:01:24.060 And then white people might ultimately be a minority in this country going forward.

03:01:27.120 And the mainstream media demonized white.

03:01:29.560 Yes, this was done.

03:01:30.580 This was done against the will of the domestic population.

03:01:33.800 No, there was never a referendum on open borders and massive racial change in America because it would have failed.

03:01:39.500 No, the country wouldn't have supported it.

03:01:41.200 And there is going to be a group of people, not just white people, but there are going to be a group of people who wish that America remain majority white.

03:01:49.920 And that doesn't mean you have to hate black people or that doesn't mean you have to hate Muslims or hate Latin American or Latino people or whatever.

03:01:58.900 It's like there's nuance between there's a view where you go, hey, I want America to remain majority white because that's kind of what America has always been.

03:02:05.440 And I want it to continue being what America has always been.

03:02:07.660 And that doesn't mean I want to reinstitute slavery or have a genocide or something like that.

03:02:12.120 And if you're a white person, you're like, well, what the fuck?

03:02:15.000 I don't exist.

03:02:15.880 Why am I supposed to root for my own destruction?

03:02:18.180 I don't have a place to exist at.

03:02:19.700 Fuck that, dude.

03:02:20.480 Well, it would be crazy to go.

03:02:21.560 I'm just so sick of like there's just so it's like, yeah, it's just so sick of white.

03:02:26.520 People are always the bad people.

03:02:27.820 I'm sick of your movies of white.

03:02:29.360 People are always bad people.

03:02:30.200 And that's one of the things that's craziest about the genocide stuff.

03:02:34.860 It's like, well, now you have a group of people, you have Israel and their government that has set the bar for who the new bad people are.

03:02:43.180 Dude, they act like it's anything but.

03:02:45.260 It's anything.

03:02:46.040 Dude, I was listening.

03:02:46.620 Mark Levin gave a speech about the rise of anti-Israel sentiment and anti-Semitism.

03:02:51.960 And he discusses, doesn't mention the genocide.

03:02:54.720 Like as if that's not a part of it.

03:02:56.540 It's like everything.

03:02:57.080 It's like you mentioned everything.

03:02:58.800 That's the part of it.

03:02:59.800 There's this one tiny detail you're missing, which is that you committed a genocide in 4K.

03:03:03.580 Well, you taught me my whole life that if somebody is doing like something like that Hitler and the Nazis did, that it's wrong, right?

03:03:09.580 All these movies, all the books, some of that, many of that are paid to see and paid to read and wanted to absorb.

03:03:16.160 You see Obama's speechwriter?

03:03:18.180 She's this Jewish chick, Obama's speechwriter.

03:03:20.060 But she goes, the Holocaust training really backfired because now people are conditioned to see like when a big powerful state is just killing.

03:03:29.600 Helpless captive people, that they view that as the same as like the Nazis do.

03:03:34.880 So she's actually going like, oh, the real problem with all this Holocaust education is that now people are pissed off when we try to do it.

03:03:41.380 Like, Jesus Christ, lady.

03:03:43.880 You said that out loud into a microphone?

03:03:46.320 Yeah, here it is right here.

03:03:47.360 And so while in the 1990s, you know, a young person probably wasn't going to find Al Jazeera or someone like Nick Fuentes, today those media outlets find them.

03:03:57.180 They find them on their phones.

03:03:58.840 It's also this increasingly post-literate media, less and less text, more and more videos.

03:04:03.900 So you have TikTok just smashing our young people's brains all day long with video of carnage in Gaza.

03:04:11.720 And this is why so many of us can't have a sane conversation with younger Jews, because anything that we try to say to them, they are hearing it through this wall of carnage.

03:04:21.020 So I want to give data and information and facts and arguments, and they are just seeing in their minds carnage, and I sound obscene.

03:04:28.380 And, you know, I think...

03:04:30.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

03:04:32.120 We see the dead babies.

03:04:33.560 And that, believe it or not, these dead babies are having an effect on people, Theo.

03:04:37.980 I know.

03:04:38.380 People are feeling feelings.

03:04:40.020 Who would ever have thought?

03:04:41.320 When we witness children being tortured to death by the tens of thousands, we think about that.

03:04:46.180 And your bullshit propaganda doesn't work as well.

03:04:48.260 Yeah, I don't want to...

03:04:48.900 This next part is actually the craziest part.

03:04:50.480 I don't want to pause it, Ms. Hurwitz, and hear about the statistics at the moment.

03:04:55.640 Which, by the way, it's not even like she has a statistical argument to make.

03:04:59.040 I know, but they try to build a graph or something.

03:05:01.580 No, it's more like I've seen thousands of images of dead kids, and then you're calling me a bigot.

03:05:10.020 And it wasn't a choice I made with my brain.

03:05:11.840 It was a choice I made with my heart, you idiot.

03:05:13.580 Yeah, right.

03:05:13.980 It's not like I...

03:05:14.600 You can't rationalize me into thinking that genocide is okay.

03:05:18.980 You cannot do it.

03:05:20.300 I don't care how many graphs or people you interview or someone, you cannot do it.

03:05:25.360 It's not in here.

03:05:27.040 It's in here.

03:05:27.880 That's how I know it's wrong.

03:05:29.200 Yeah, come on.

03:05:29.660 Let's go.

03:05:29.920 Let's play a little more.

03:05:31.060 The very smart, I think, bet that we made on Holocaust education to serve as anti-Semitism education,

03:05:36.580 in this new media environment, I think that is beginning to break down a little bit.

03:05:41.320 Because, you know, Holocaust education is absolutely essential.

03:05:45.080 But I think it may be confusing some of our young people about anti-Semitism,

03:05:48.560 because they learn about big, strong Nazis hurting weak, emaciated Jews.

03:05:53.800 And they think, oh, anti-Semitism is like anti-black racism, right?

03:05:57.240 Powerful white people against powerless black people.

03:06:00.160 So when on TikTok all day long they see powerful Israelis hurting weak, skinny Palestinians,

03:06:06.480 it's not surprising that they think, oh, I know, the lesson of the Holocaust is you fight Israel.

03:06:10.660 You fight the big, powerful people hurting the weak people.

03:06:13.680 Well, yeah.

03:06:16.120 Yes, and a captive people, a people who can't leave, don't have the option to go anywhere.

03:06:21.460 Imagine you can't even leave.

03:06:22.420 Yeah, like that's a big part of it.

03:06:24.200 But it is just-

03:06:24.440 It's like Saw.

03:06:25.100 It's like a huge game of fucking Saw.

03:06:27.160 But it is amazing just to me that she said that out loud and didn't think to herself, oh, huh.

03:06:32.640 That's the scary part.

03:06:33.440 Like, man, oh, if I just looked at this from the other perspective, yeah, what I'm saying is that like,

03:06:39.040 oh, we're actually against holocausting powerless people.

03:06:42.240 I feel sociopathic almost to be like, oh, yeah, you know, I don't know.

03:06:47.760 I don't know, man.

03:06:48.280 Yeah, it sure does.

03:06:49.460 Sociopathic is a good way to put it.

03:06:51.220 Yeah, I mean, I think it's like, yeah.

03:06:52.800 She's talking about the topic of all of this shit, whether it's Charlie Kirk's letter to Netanyahu or that conversation

03:06:59.040 or the guy at CBS News or like any of it.

03:07:01.020 The topic of all of them is we're losing.

03:07:03.880 How do we get back to winning?

03:07:05.900 So like at least they're acknowledging that like, shit, this just isn't working anymore, man.

03:07:10.620 And I do think there's something beautiful to it, man.

03:07:12.980 I think there's something beautiful where like even just you, you just making the point that you just made where you're like,

03:07:17.080 look, this isn't something in my head.

03:07:18.020 This is something in my heart.

03:07:18.740 I just saw a child being tortured to death.

03:07:20.460 I'm not OK with this.

03:07:21.420 And when I say tortured to death, I just mean like a building crumbling on them as their bones crush and they cry out and no one comes to save them.

03:07:28.640 It's pretty bad.

03:07:29.600 And then, you know, Ben Shapiro could come up with all those fancy arguments in the world, but the audience is looking at that and going, I'm not with you on that.

03:07:36.360 But just how are you still creating?

03:07:38.180 And I don't understand how somebody could still be creating an argument.

03:07:41.540 I think that's where the weird disparity comes in.

03:07:43.800 Like I can't even, you know, I mean, yes, I make a lot of poor choices in my life and I've done a lot of things that are not great.

03:07:50.920 But, but yeah, I don't understand how you could just think that that's OK.

03:07:54.580 You know, you got zero supported genocides on your track record, though.

03:07:57.940 So that's good.

03:07:59.020 Yeah, that's true.

03:08:00.780 That's a good point.

03:08:02.500 Thanks so much, Dave, for stopping by, dude.

03:08:04.720 Dude, absolutely.

03:08:05.340 Anytime, man.

03:08:06.040 I appreciate it, man.

03:08:06.800 So much.

03:08:07.280 Great to start the year off with you.

03:08:08.660 Yeah, I'm hopeful that 2026 will bring in good things.

03:08:12.620 I will say this.

03:08:14.180 A lot of my life I've thought, man, our, our, my time on earth has been a little, it's been exciting and fun.

03:08:20.320 But it's been a little boring as a society.

03:08:23.260 Like as a time period in America, it's been like, it's kind of a comfortable time.

03:08:27.360 And man, it's just in a couple years, that's changed a lot.

03:08:30.800 It's gotten, it's gotten real interesting.

03:08:32.500 But yeah, I'm excited.

03:08:33.680 I like being alive during these times.

03:08:35.020 I'm excited to see where everything goes.

03:08:36.980 And I kind of like, I love like the relationship we get to have, like with our audience.

03:08:40.360 Like we kind of all go through this together and we're kind of all like, yo, did you see that?

03:08:43.920 That was crazy.

03:08:44.800 Oh, it's crazy.

03:08:45.560 I enjoy it.

03:08:46.200 Yeah.

03:08:46.340 I mean, whenever Charlie Kirk got shot, I was texting people and like other podcasts and stuff.

03:08:49.920 Like stay alive, dude, you know, or like if I have a tough question, I can call you and

03:08:54.220 ask you about it, you know, like fucking bothering this father out there in fucking Jersey.

03:08:58.440 You're never bothering me, dude.

03:08:59.720 I love talking to you.

03:09:01.100 But yeah, man, thanks so much.

03:09:02.320 I'm curious to see what Candace has for dinner for us.

03:09:04.640 Ooh, I can't wait.

03:09:06.020 Yeah.

03:09:07.220 All right.

03:09:07.600 Thanks so much, Dave.

03:09:08.460 You're the man, dude.

03:09:09.300 All right.

03:09:09.480 Peace, buddy.

03:09:09.780 Now, I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

03:09:15.960 I must be cornerstone.

03:09:21.080 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.

03:09:26.700 I can feel it in my bones.

03:09:30.080 But it's gonna tell you...

03:09:35.140 Oh, you're my...

03:09:36.140 Oh, you're my...

03:09:45.260 Oh, my...

03:09:50.000 Oh, my...

03:09:50.340 Oh, my...

03:09:51.400 Oh, my...

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - January 06, 2026

#632 - Dave Smith

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