#636 - Jason Momoa
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1 hour and 25 minutes
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208.52344
Summary
Actor Jason Momoa joins Jemele to discuss his new movie, Aquaman, and how he and Bill Murray first met. Plus, he shares the story of how he first met Bill Murray, and why he thinks he s better than Bill.
Transcript
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Today's guest is an actor, a producer, an entrepreneur.
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I'm here to do the greatest Theovan interview ever.
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I'm trying to think if we've had the greatest one.
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and we'll listen to a little bit of Def Leppard.
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So, just down there listening to songs about illegal ingredients.
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We met at the 50th, I think it was the 50th SNL.
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I would say semi-beautiful hand just grabbed me.
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and immediately I felt like I hadn't been in the gym.
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And then it just, like, pulled me into, like, this orbit.
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And it was like, hey, man, nice to see you here.
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and then, you know, I freaked out when I saw Chevy Chase.
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But right there, I'm a little bit more of the bun.
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So, but we were, that was, it was just a, it was a crazy night, huh?
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So we know what Hansons look like when they were bopping it out.
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Yeah, I just gave my son a crisscross, you know, cross colors that, you remember that
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It was like, it was just this brand that I had when like crisscross came out and my son
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didn't know who that was and it was a year, it was the, and was it the year you were born
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Anyways, I just gave it to my son and I was just dating myself, man.
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I've been unpacking my, uh, my old stuff and giving it to my son and he loves it because
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I was born in Hawaii and my parents got divorced when I was little and I moved to Iowa, but like,
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you know, bridges in Madison County, Iowa, like dude, like Meryl Streep, bridges in Madison
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County, boom, one of my favorite books, the book and the movie, it's identical.
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So I'm like graduated, you know, did you go to university of Iowa?
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I actually went to, we'd like to make fun of it.
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I went to DMACC, Des Moines area community college, and then went to, it is DMACC.
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And then I went off to get in-state tuition in Colorado.
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And I went, I was living out in Colorado state and I was working with a trail crew out there
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and working at Lee's Cyclery and Bazzetti's and all these different bus and tables and
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shit, trying to get in-state tuition, trying to postpone college as much as possible.
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Well, I was just trying to get in-state tuition so I could do wildlife biology there.
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But I want, I went to school for, it's weird because when I was in Iowa, I did marine biology.
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They have a place called central campus where all these different schools would go into
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Des Moines and you would learn marine biology and I'd have like a shark tanks and I had
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my own eel and you'd learn about all these different things.
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And I always wanted to be a marine biologist and we'd spend our spring breaks down in the
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So we get in a yellow bus, go all the way down to, from fucking Iowa, all the way down to
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Yeah, and we'd study with scientists, but I did that two years, get credit for college.
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But I, and then I was going to go like, ah, over summertime, I was like, I'll go to Hawaii.
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Since I'm Hawaiian, maybe I'll get a better deal going to college.
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And I was just surfing with my family and a big, a big, pretty big surf family.
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So we, and then a show came and I ended up getting it and it changed everything.
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And you were working so, but they had the, oh my God.
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I was for one of the first bussers to ever use creatine in Arizona, south of Phoenix.
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I was one of the best bus boys there was, I think, for probably about a two and a half
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I went to University of Arizona for one year and then I went to some other schools.
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But, um, dude, I was, oh, I was so good at busting tables, man.
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Yeah, well, I would take all the food because I worked at a really nice restaurant and we
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were all, my buddies that lived together was a bunch of climbing dirt bags and I'd bring
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this nice pasta home because, you know, if the, if the, if the, the couple didn't look
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too sus and they left their stuff, you know, you just box that in and bring it home.
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And so I always had like the best restaurants pasta.
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Dude, I worked at a place called Dakota's Wine and Feed and the guy there was taught like
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there was this perverted manager who would kind of teach us how to do like, he would
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like kind of like oral sex on women, but just like in conversation, anyway, that guy was
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a complete pervert, but I will tell you, not in person, not with a real woman, just he
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would like tell us young kids, like how to do it and stuff.
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Like I remember when he would talk about it, all the pimples on my face would like explode
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Um, but, um, anyway, that was beside the point, but they had very nice food there.
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And I remember if I'd see a couple, if they use their knife, that to me was like, oh, they're
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So if the knife was dirty, I would definitely take a little bit of that, like some cured
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And I'd get a stack of like some like special sandwich that was made of all types of stuff.
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And back then it's like when you're out of your mom's house, your first time out, you're like
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If someone had orange juice, I was like, oh my God, I haven't had orange juice and fucking
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because I don't want to beer and fucking booze.
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And I could, I could just save enough bus and tables where I could work just Thursday,
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And so it'd be Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, come back.
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So I had like four, I had a little plan, you know?
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And were you with like a certain group of friends from growing up or was it just like,
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is it still like a core group or was it just guys?
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And I, I mean, I had friends, but like the, like true buddies, they're, they're in my neighborhood,
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Godfather, my kids, he went out to Colorado first.
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So he was one year older and then I went there out there to be with him and he's my best.
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So we, it was just us running, running the muck.
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Is that the altitude always gets me so much, dude.
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I get affected pretty easily by the environment.
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Um, it's gotta be hard for you to go from Nashville to here cause it gets dry.
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Like I just came from New Zealand right now and last night I'm like, I felt sorry for
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my lady cause I'm just like, up wheezing right out.
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I met people like, I'm like, what are you talking about?
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It's like, I think that's Australians, but yeah.
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We had some shows down in Auckland and we met Pete is just like, we met guys who like,
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They just couldn't get it out of them no matter what.
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Anyway, it was just some of the craziest lingo I'd ever heard.
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But one of the most beautiful places we went to, um, we got to meet Israel Adesanya down
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And they were super nice to us whenever we went over there.
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But we went to the beach one day and they said you can only be outside of the beach
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for a certain amount of time because they don't have that much, um, marine layer or they
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I was like, it's so beautiful, but you got to go back inside.
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I never told me to go back inside, but I mean, yeah, if you're sitting out there, you're
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Well, at a certain point you should go in, I think.
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Um, so you went to, you went from Des Moines Community College, DMACC.
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Went to Colorado and then went to Hawaii to get to just to kind of be with my father, get
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It's just, um, I'd go there when I was young, like eight, nine, 10, you know, like basically
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when I was young enough to comprehend it, bright enough to be with my mom.
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And then I'd, I'd go until like high school years.
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So I didn't go too much and maybe my sophomore, junior, senior year.
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So once I, I was like, I'm going to go back, be with dad, bury the hatchet and, uh, see
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And, um, and then, like I said, show came and changed my life and then kind of tried
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to, you know, tell my mom, like, I'm on this show.
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You know, like my mom's in the same house I was raised in.
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I was like, mom, I'm like, it's, it's not what you think.
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I mean, the Hasselhoff wasn't really on anymore, but they're trying to change it up.
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And then I spent the, you know, the next 30 years digging myself out of that hole.
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And so, so your mom is a white woman and your, your father is more Islander.
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Is there a lot of beef between Hawaiians in Hawaii of like the, are there different kind
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of sects of like SECTS of Hawaiians, like different kind of like, or is it, if you're a Hawaiian,
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You know, back in the day, there was different islands were different Kings until it was united
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by Kamehameha, but not everyone loves Kamehameha.
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You could have been with different islands and that obviously to unite them, your family
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So I don't, I don't think everyone sees eye to eye, but having said that, like we are,
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you know, since we are a part of America now, like I think all those generations, you know,
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our, our culture and our language was completely removed from us.
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Like most indigenous races and you know, really trying to get it back.
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Like, and I don't necessarily think there's like sex to it.
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It's not like, so people aren't like that tribal.
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I'll tell you what, not as much as like, if you were to compare it to New Zealand where
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there's, I don't, don't quote me, but there's 200 plus different iwis, different tribes in
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Whereas the South Island, there's one like Naitahu's just one tribe on the South Island.
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So it definitely has to go through a lot more if you're trying to agree on certain
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things, like it's got to go through more people.
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And did your dad have a, like, like, is he like very, a very Hawaiian kind of guy?
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Most of my family's like Nanakuli, Waianae, and then Makaha.
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And that whole West side is called Hawaiian homestead land.
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So it's like our reservation kind of isque kind of thing.
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And I mean, just any, a waterman as in knowledge of sailing, knowledge of.
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Some of the last living legends of, of surfing or of watermen is like my great uncle's Buffalo
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I think I've seen him on the pictures of the bronzer at the tanning salon as well.
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They're using his name, image, and likeness over there.
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I just want to do Hawaiians feel like, it seems to me like Hawaiians always feel like
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a responsibility to uphold their culture kind of, or that they're Hawaiian.
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Like they, like there just seems to be like a certain like level of respect that they carry
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I think there's a lot of things that have happened to our, to our people that have, it's
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been very challenging in what's happened and, and, and, and getting our identity back in
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So there's, I'm sure there's a lot of, there's a lot of things.
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It's a lot of, a lot of terror and trauma that's happened to the Hawaiian islands.
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I think when you have something beautiful, people want it, you know?
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I even, dude, I even remember one time I was drowning over there and I remember being
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I remember looking back at the shoreline, literally I was snorkeling and I wasn't doing
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And, um, I remember looking back at the shoreline and I thought I was going to drown
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and I was like, what, dude, where else are you going to drown?
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You know, you're going to drown in a Hampton Inn pool somewhere like, you know, outside
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And so there was almost this crazy moment of peace with just how beautiful it was there.
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You just got a little too carried away and you got too far out maybe?
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I went snorkeling and it was by myself and bad idea, huh?
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And I remember I got out there a little bit and I was like, oh man.
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And then the, and then I would see the fish, but then the water would go down and then
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I would just be like, almost like, like trying to like not get on the coral or whatever,
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And then I was further and further out and I started getting really, really spooked.
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Have you ever been at a drowning before out there?
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And, uh, it's, it's, I mean, it's a beautiful teacher, man.
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The oceans of, I mean, she's the ultimate teacher.
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Everything flashes in and you can't move your arms anymore and you're going down and can't
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I smoke cigars still, but it took me a while to get back to it.
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But I, uh, I used to smoke like two packs a day.
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I was pretty, just love, love, love, like roll.
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I just loved tobacco and damn, I can't believe I was a damn smoker.
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I mean, that's a fair share of shit, but it's like, um, I think smoking was, um, I couldn't
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And then when I drowned and I, you know, someone took my breath, I came out of that water and
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And I mean, I tried really hard to stop many times and I came out and if I tried to smoke,
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Like I, it might, that part of me just died because it took my breath and I had to go
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And, and then the reason I didn't, I got saved is I actually hit the outer reef.
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It's always on the outer reef of Maui and it was doing, you know, some, some coast peddling
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and I hit the, I hit the reef and it just touched my toe.
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And, and, uh, I just bubbled down, grabbed the reef and just jumped up.
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And then got hit another wave and I just held onto the reef and waited.
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And, um, uh, Dave Kalama and my friend Joe Flanagan.
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But it was, uh, my leash snapped and I was stuck out in the middle of the ocean.
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And so, and it was just very windy and took the board and it was gone.
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It's just, it's so nice to be able to just, you feel like you're in Hawaii for a while.
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Yeah, you know, it's just the movies we grew up with, right?
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Lethal Weapon, 48 Hours, all these things, buddy cop movies.
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And it's like, you know, in this business, when you meet somebody you really like, you're
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like, oh, we should, in the next one, it'd be fun to do a comedy instead of covered in
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And, uh, it was, uh, so we, I had this, this pitch to him and, um, I had it now it's been
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It's one of the first things I ever wrote as a pitch packet and told him.
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And then the next day he just posted it and put it out there and went viral.
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And, uh, what about you guys doing it together?
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And like, and basically like, this is what we're doing.
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And my agents call me going like, what are we doing?
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And like the next morning I'm like, Dave, I didn't even know that Dave would do that.
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I'm like going like, yeah, me and you were doing, you know, twins.
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It's just, they just put it out there and, uh, fraternal twins too.
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People are like, this was like before and after.
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And so, uh, anyways, in our, in our showrunner, Jonathan Trapper ended up writing it and yeah,
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it's just a, it's just a fun movie that we want to, I want to do laugh a little more
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and it'll make you, you know, make you cry working out to family trauma, you know, that
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I mean, it's just, it's a nice, easy, it's an easy movie to watch and it's just super enjoyable
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You're just like, oh, if you can't afford to take your wife to Hawaii, take her to see
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Just put a little cocoa butter on her arms and take her to see the wrecking crew.
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Was there ever a movie role where you liked it kind of so much or the environment that
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you were at, you liked so much that you're like, I wish I could stay here.
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Where you just want to stay in that time period or in that place.
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I don't think I've, I, you know, I did this show chief of war that came out last year and
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I think it was really cool because it's, it's all about, uh, it's all about, uh, it's all
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It's like when they're uniting the kingdoms, it would have been really beautiful to be
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in Hawaii before the white man arrived and just kind of see that time and place and, you
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know, see what our people are like, our ancestors.
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It was so special to make that show and cause you know, you grow up in Iowa and you watch
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your thing like last, the Mohicans and, and, and Braveheart and you see all these things
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I love samurai movies or native American movies.
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You know, my grandparents, they've never seen a movie with us wearing all the regalia and
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like, and going into the big battles with no metal.
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I mean, it's just brutal battles to the next level before they had, I can shark teeth did
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So, um, just imagining that or seeing a movie on that scale, it took me a long time to make
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that move, that show because you know, Oh yeah, that's beautiful.
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And also as a gay Mardi Gras vibe as well, I'll say that, but that's outside and that
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I think it's very beautiful of these that you get to even envision something like this.
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It's crazy to even get to see moments like that.
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Like even just like on a movie set or something like that, it must be so bizarre to see moments
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I mean, you should see like just the trailers or something, you know, when you, you know,
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The, the, the, the fight scenes in this are pretty wild.
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Anyway, so that was a, that was the first thing I ever created.
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So I was a co-creator and produced it, co-wrote it and directed like the finale and started
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And was it, was it something that was that special to your dad or special to like some
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I think everyone, because you have to, uh, all the people I was, when I was 19, I hired
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on Baywatch to like makeup artists to craft services to your drivers.
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I'm coming back at 45 at the time, 44 and coming back and making something like doing
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And then coming back and doing something that's about our people.
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Like we're going to do a Minecraft with Jack Black again.
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Um, when you were doing that show, did you go to parts of the island and learn stuff about
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But also like got to go and just scout and go to places.
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I've never been to meet uncles and aunties and people who are just know so much about
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Like we had to, yes, had to learn, um, you know, we had to do it.
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So we did it in our, in our, in our native language.
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So all the other characters in here, I'd say half of the cast, it's all Polynesia.
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So you got to understand like there's, there's, there's Maori, New Zealand, there's Samoan,
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there's, there's Tongan, there's, uh, there might've been some Haitian, but like all of
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us and, and, and, and Kanaka Maori, which is us, all these are people who had different
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So like everyone in there doing that is like, it's hard.
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It was the hardest for me, but, um, I thought it would have been a lot easier, but it was,
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Um, I mean, I, I wouldn't fuck with the Tongan.
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I don't have to get in the fight with the Tongan.
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They're just like, Oh, it's such a different breed.
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They're kind of like the comfortable Polynesians, you know?
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And they're the last people that most people see before they die because a lot of them work
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When you think about that, imagine you're laying there and you open up a little and it's
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And they're just singing something nice to you.
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I just hope my kids are there and they're looking after me, but I'm gonna put that shit
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You put me in a home, I'm gonna haunt your ass.
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Me and you old, we'll just get all, do all the old makeup.
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We go to a Comic-Con for like the old time days.
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Me and David Spade just made a movie, actually,
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That's just an old-time buddy, or you just were like, yeah?
00:32:18.720
He and I became friends like four years ago, five years ago,
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and when he started writing it, it took like a year.
00:32:41.380
It's about two guys who aren't doing that good.
00:32:44.740
And one of them loses his girlfriend to a waiter at a restaurant.
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And so we figure if we can become waiters, then everything will be great.
00:32:53.120
That's why you're still going to be the busboy.
00:32:54.860
You're talking about like what we were talking about.
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And David was a busboy too in Arizona as well when he was growing up.
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No, they're all fucking making more money than you.
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They're usually counting their money somewhere.
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Not sharing their tips is what they're not doing.
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I'm going to tip my waitress less and I'm going to slip my busboy more.
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I'm going to say, where's the fucking busboy at?
00:34:03.280
I'm going to throw the homies or homettes some fucking loot.
00:34:08.060
It's all happened because of Reagan because of trickle-down economics.
00:34:22.860
The largest nurses' strike in New York City history is going on right now.
00:34:29.620
I like strikes because it's like being in a parade, kind of because I'm from New Orleans.
00:34:33.900
So it's like, you're definitely partying at a band out there.
00:34:37.080
Yeah, but it's the largest nurses' strike that's ever happened in New York City.
00:34:58.580
Even that one where it's like, bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon his head.
00:35:10.480
My sister's a nurse, so I was like, oh, this is going on, dude.
00:35:20.720
Which doesn't mean they can't be hot, but, you know, I had a different bedside manner in mind, you know?
00:35:29.180
So, yeah, do you get to a point in your career?
00:35:33.660
Because it is interesting to hear you say where you feel like you have, like, some personal achievement or some personal success or something where you kind of feel like, okay, I'm okay, you know?
00:35:47.600
Because we're all trying to, like, we're all trying to, like, everyone's trying to feel like, you know, we all want to feel some sort of, a lot of people want to feel some sort of success, right?
00:35:55.820
I mean, I notice it in my own life, what makes me feel like, okay, I'm okay for me, you know?
00:36:05.720
I mean, it's a very complex, I mean, there's many things I'm going through, and maybe that's just my age, or, like, you know, I've been, like you were saying, trying to accomplish, get to a certain place.
00:36:17.680
And just because you, just because even in those worst times, and, like, maybe not doing the things I really, truly want to be doing, but I'm doing it to put food on the table, and then I get to the place where I'm actually, like, wow, I'm producing, writing, doing all these things, and this is my dream come true.
00:36:39.600
Why am I, why was I happier when I was in the fucking hole?
00:36:48.440
Was it because I was still hunting, I'm hungry?
00:36:50.840
I mean, I got to this place where I considered, like, well, I don't have any more, per se, dreams as an actor.
00:36:57.280
Like, I never thought I'd get this far in the first place.
00:37:01.700
Like, the biggest dream to me was, like, make a TV show or movie for my people, make a real, true, authentic story.
00:37:10.320
And the comic book I always read when I was a kid, well, I'm fucking playing him.
00:37:15.100
And then you're, like, the video game that I fucking loved, I'm fucking playing him, too.
00:37:22.080
And then sometimes you're, it's, but you're not, why do you not feel?
00:37:28.980
Does that happen, you think, even, like, in career, like, you had such a great career, does it happen even in careers like yours?
00:37:38.640
Yeah, but I just, like, I just try to, I just try to have gratitude in all of it, man, because, you know, I have so many friends that are, maybe could be ill, sick, dying, and just, it's so, I mean, I'm kind of the kind of person, like, pretty high energy, and I'm really, really generally happy.
00:37:55.920
Like, I'm, like, Christmas morning every morning, I'm pretty fucking happy, I don't need coffee, I'm jazzed.
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And so I love, I love morning, I love being up, and I don't necessarily sleep that much, so I'll probably die earlier.
00:38:10.180
Yeah, they're gonna be filled with frickin' Filipinos as well, dude, that's for sure, if this is the rate you're going at.
00:38:15.840
But I just, I can't sit still, and I think if I don't have those things, I was pretty self-destructive if I wasn't creating and constantly doing stuff.
00:38:24.300
So I think that's what gives me, like, I don't necessarily think there's, I measure it by, oh, because I'm in this movie, or this and this and that, I'm actually, like, there's these little smaller things that I love doing.
00:38:35.420
Yeah, but it's, like, the things I really, truly love, like, I'm an environmentalist at heart, so there's, you know, I work as much as I can with different, just, it's all the things that, the little small things that probably no one gives a shit about that I give about, and it's, like, trying to do those things that I really love.
00:38:50.160
And it's not about being necessarily seen, but it's trying to help in certain things that I love and care about.
00:38:55.400
Yeah, do you think, like, a lot of that stuff comes back to you more, like, once you've kind of gotten to a certain level, or once you kind of, because life just kind of gets busy, like, in your 30s and 40s, life gets busy, right?
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And especially if you have a busy career, like yours, or a career where you have to travel a lot, and it varies from place to place, location to location, I find that it, like, it just gets, it gets hard to focus on some of the smaller things that are more important to me sometimes.
00:39:20.020
So is it easier, do you feel like it's easier now in your career to be able to have more time for those types of things?
00:39:28.520
I have a hard time saying no, so I say yes to everything, and I'm, like, I have, I work a lot of things.
00:39:34.720
And so if someone comes in, and I'm fully loaded, I'm like, yeah, I can't not not say yes.
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And so that's maybe the biggest honor of it all.
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And I think, I mean, that's why I want my kids now.
00:39:55.160
They look at me, they like, oh, my dad does what he loves to do, which maybe I didn't want earlier in my life.
00:40:02.260
It was just to, like, make sure I can put, it was very worrisome earlier, because, like I said, I wasn't on the best shows.
00:40:09.660
Yeah, I was like, people were like, oh, why don't you go do that movie or that movie?
00:40:19.160
I'm like, there's so many things I want to do in this life.
00:40:27.800
I wouldn't say I'm taking care of myself the best, but I'm like, something's got to give.
00:40:47.300
I mean, like, you're just blown up in your time.
00:40:54.540
I think this year I started, just recently started thinking of having a little bit more like,
00:41:01.160
Like, I'll be able to eat and have a roof over my head for the rest of my life.
00:41:04.400
So I have a little bit more semblance of like, okay, what does things look like for like those around me?
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What are some other things that I can put my time into?
00:41:11.860
Like, I've been touring mostly for probably about 17 years for probably half the weeks, you know?
00:41:21.840
And so it's nice to like, be like, oh, what does this look like?
00:41:26.960
Like, I had like two months with no, three months with no tour dates.
00:41:32.460
So there's still like a lot of podcasting and there's still a ton of work to do with this,
00:41:38.300
So sometimes for the first time, it feels like my spirit even can be in like one place
00:41:41.720
where it can like gather its thoughts, you know?
00:41:45.660
I feel like I've just been playing hide and go seek with myself for a long time,
00:41:50.640
So having some more just having some more like solace and being in one spot
00:42:00.420
has really kind of helped me just to start to get a look around me.
00:42:09.760
I know, but you're like, Arnie, I'm like, oh, my God, I would love to get some rest.
00:42:12.620
Then you get like rest for a solid week and you're like, I got to get the fuck out of here.
00:42:21.360
And you're in a rest area along the interstate.
00:42:25.120
Like, do you get that where you're just like, oh, man, I got to get out.
00:42:29.060
But I think sometimes I got to be careful because that's a trap, man.
00:42:31.760
That's just the devil trying to get me back out there.
00:42:37.140
Yeah, I go to AA meetings and I go to that stuff.
00:42:40.340
It's been like, you know, I've been in and out of sobriety for 10 years probably, mostly in.
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So, yeah, I like it just because otherwise, yeah, I just can't handle it.
00:42:50.820
Like, I'll do too much of the cocaine, to be honest.
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And so I just don't want to be around it, you know.
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I'll even walk and just look straight at the ground and see if anybody's dropped it sometimes outside.
00:43:19.040
So one time my friend and I, and I didn't even know anything about drugs.
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He dropped a little thing of cocaine in the taxi.
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When I'm getting out, I just see it on the thing.
00:43:35.420
So he didn't tell me that he had ever done cocaine.
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And he'd been doing it, but he didn't tell me, right?
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And I just thought he was kind of itchy or whatever, you know, because it was spring.
00:43:46.740
He's like, hey, man, will you help me look for something?
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And I'm like, that doesn't make any sense, but yeah, I'll help you, you know.
00:43:56.100
So me and him are walking around looking for something that I don't know what it is, okay?
00:43:59.960
And then I kept sneaking off and doing the cocaine, right?
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So, dude, now, at one point, he gave up and went to sleep.
00:44:07.700
I'm walking around my apartment looking everywhere for something, and it was the drugs I was doing.
00:44:20.240
So, yeah, I mean, people can get lost out there.
00:44:31.620
There's this great part where he was up in Harlem, and, you know, at the time, he was at the peak of his career.
00:44:40.640
It's snowing outside, and he comes up to this spot, and he's in Harlem, gets out, goes in, and he's coming back out.
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And he gets back in the car, and he's got some drugs.
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Comes back out, gets in the car, looks down, and he's like, fuck.
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He, like, drugs are all, all the coke is all over the floor, and he's fucking freaking out.
00:45:03.640
And then he thinks he's going to get busted by the cops, so he just gets out, goes back in, hides in his fucking closet, waits it out for a couple hours, sweating it out, and he's on the drugs.
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Car's still there, because, you know, it's Miles Davis.
00:45:22.240
And he, like, clicks, and he's like, it was fucking snow on his shoes.
00:45:27.080
When he got in and, like, totally lost his mind, like, he just thought he spilled all the fuck.
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And he didn't drive, which is the best part, guys.
00:45:41.340
October 21st, 1972, Miles Davis, never mind, wrecked his coke-filled Mayura and broke both of his legs.
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Jim Glickenhaus was the first person on scene, Miles was in the hospital for a long time, and didn't play for almost a year.
00:46:06.800
Dude, but if my legs were broken, I could still do cocaine, I think.
00:46:22.320
I didn't mean that, but did you like, did you have a family that you had planned?
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Or was it just kind of like, did you sort of have children?
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Oh, yeah, no, I was married and had kids, yeah.
00:46:55.000
So he auditioned on his own and got it and he killed it.
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I mean, he, those guys grew up watching me, you know, he was sitting on Affleck's lap
00:47:06.460
and she's sitting with Gal and, you know, we're doing Justice League.
00:47:12.120
I mean, Justice League, they grew up on set with me.
00:47:15.620
So it's like just, yeah, I mean, he was in a Batman outfit for at least five years.
00:47:25.440
So she wants to continue in music and then Wolf wants to do acting.
00:47:29.060
So, which I was very, she's such a gnarly business.
00:47:40.580
Actually, it's the hospitals that aren't paying them.
00:47:42.440
But yeah, dude, that's got to be interesting if your kid wants to go down that road.
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And you'll be there to help him be supportive in that way.
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And he's doing it, he's young, so he can try it out.
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If I don't know kids, I don't want to know them.
00:48:16.540
You know, people are like, hey, I want you to shoot my kids.
00:48:48.760
I think for one, too, I've just been going all the time.
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I'd be like dating somebody and I'd be out of town for a while and you come back and you're
00:49:02.060
So I think I just feel like more of that semblance of like, okay, now this maybe could
00:49:07.500
But I got to change some of my own ways and stuff like that a little bit, too.
00:49:10.420
And be more purposeful, I think, about just different prayer and different things like
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But yeah, nobody in my family can swim that good, though.
00:49:39.320
If you need us, we'll be on the land, you know?
00:49:46.100
I'm going to get it tattooed on my brother's back.
00:49:47.180
When you were in New Orleans, look at what kind of sports were you into.
00:49:51.280
Dude, is it true that they have the team called the Tall Blacks?
00:49:56.500
The basketball team in New Zealand is called the Tall Blacks?
00:50:01.920
We got, yeah, in New Orleans we have, well, we have some of the players that are kind
00:50:18.060
Yeah, this is, oh, that's the New Zealand All Blacks?
00:50:26.080
They got maybe one and a half brothers on this team, dude.
00:51:00.680
I mean, like, they all want you to get into wrestling.
00:51:08.560
I mean, like, you know, but that's what I was doing when I was little
00:51:14.140
And then, surprisingly, my main love is rock climbing.
00:51:19.080
So I traveled the world of rock climbing, and that was kind of my thing.
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Oh, I mean, I've seen him out when we've been climbing, yeah.
00:51:36.540
They do, like, El Cap and all kind of stuff together.
00:51:41.420
And everybody was kind of dressed like they looked like different birds and stuff.
00:51:46.300
And there was no air conditioning in the place.
00:51:49.800
It was bizarre, but it was what you'd expect out of him.
00:51:55.060
Yeah, that's people out on the rock right there.
00:51:57.160
Yeah, rock climbing's pretty amazing, isn't it?
00:52:02.860
At the first moment, like, my mom took me climbing in South Dakota, and I just, when I touched
00:52:07.840
the rock and just moved on it, it just felt like I'm probably better at climbing than I
00:52:13.680
Like, it just, my body just feels, it's just something that you connect with that you really
00:52:17.520
But I love just the fear and the problem solving and, like, the fear of it all.
00:52:22.520
Because, like, we'll do, like, deep water soloing now in Mallorca, and you, like, climb up, and
00:52:27.480
But it's just, like, the challenge of, like, I love climbing stuff when I was a kid.
00:52:33.280
It's like, how do you not, like, I love climbing trees.
00:52:40.480
Being in the dirt, and I just enjoy taking my kids.
00:52:43.320
My kids do it, and it just keeps us out in nature.
00:52:47.860
It'd be, like, fishing or hunting, like, for other people, but, like, being in nature.
00:52:51.800
And going to do adventures and, you know, setting out to do something and accomplishing it.
00:52:58.020
But also, the other thing, too, is I think I'm very, very much, and I'm not diagnosed ADHD,
00:53:04.140
but I'm just, there's a lot of things going on, and I feel like when I ride motorcycles
00:53:08.320
and I go rock climbing, it's just, like, you can't do anything else but be there.
00:53:12.280
So, that's just, like, a little bit of my therapy or meditation is, like, that's when
00:53:19.800
What you get, you know, everyone gets high on that or loves that, you know, I mean,
00:53:24.020
when you can really, mind-body-spirit connects and you flow in something, that's what you,
00:53:29.680
When you're zipping down on a freaking motorcycle, you can't, yeah, it's hard to be, like,
00:53:35.200
Well, it's just like, everyone, you're in a car, you're, like, you know, doing your
00:53:37.520
makeup, you're eating food, you're talking to someone, you're not paying attention to
00:53:40.000
shit, where you're riding a motorcycle, it's, you're, you're gonna die if you fucking, if
00:53:44.760
you're out, if you're doing your makeup while you're riding your motorcycle, you're fucked.
00:53:49.740
Unless they come out with those self-driving motorcycles, which I read about, that's gonna
00:54:00.000
A lot of organ donors are motorcyclists, and I didn't mean to say that out loud to you, but
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I'm actually waiting for this AI, and shit's come around to go, like, yo, two new kidneys,
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Yeah, like, yeah, I'm 95, but I got a seven-year-old liver.
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Oh, what made you and Dave Bautista become such friends, do you think?
00:57:36.440
Well, we do a lot of action and when generally there's, there's not a lot of big guys that
00:57:48.000
And I think Dave is a phenomenal actor and, and, and I really wanted to fight him and see.
00:57:55.340
And I was like, dude, I would love to go toe to toe with him.
00:57:59.020
And it's just kind of like, yeah, I respect him.
00:58:02.520
And I, and then when we met, we're very different, but like super, you know, um, there's no ego.
00:58:11.380
There's no, like, we're very supportive of each other.
00:58:15.080
Like, it's just a wonderful, when you find an acting partner that you just, you're there
00:58:19.320
for the story instead of like your career, you're a lot of guys, a lot of famous dudes
00:58:30.720
I'm like, that's how we, that's how you fucking eat.
00:58:40.980
So I'm not afraid to do all that kind of stuff and, you know, bleeding.
00:58:44.760
And I think Dave likes to get down and dirty too.
00:58:47.320
So, um, but he's just a really, a really great guy.
00:58:50.980
The reason why we want to do it again is because it's just a good working relationship.
00:58:57.740
I saw him in Blade Runner and I just thought he was, he was phenomenal.
00:59:08.080
I thought you did a great job in this movie, man.
00:59:11.160
I don't, it's, I don't, I don't know if I've been paying attention.
00:59:13.340
I guess it's like, if you're not paying attention, if you don't, if you're not noticing the acting
00:59:17.480
Isn't that kind of the usual kind of, isn't that usually kind of the thought?
00:59:25.180
Do you, do you feel like it's gotten easier to act over time?
00:59:27.440
Like, do you start to just understand it better?
00:59:28.940
Does it become a little bit more like a muscle?
00:59:30.920
I just think I'm getting, I'm getting, you know, chances to do it now.
00:59:37.980
You know, like, my first comedy was last year with, with, with Jack Black doing Minecraft.
00:59:43.420
So, like, you know, it's just now finally catching on that I can.
00:59:48.420
I'm not just getting my ass kicked and dying all the time.
00:59:52.200
You're not just a bouncer who's fricking going to the salon or whatever.
00:59:56.240
I think after like Game of Thrones, like people didn't know what to do with me.
01:00:00.340
So there's like, what the fuck do you do with Drogo?
01:00:02.060
We're like, who are we going to put is that, in that rom-com?
01:00:24.120
No, he's just, just like the greatest human, man.
01:00:35.800
You go, you know, after work, we go eat together.
01:00:37.960
Like, I just like people who, they don't, they don't act one way.
01:00:42.460
And then, you know, when it works over, there's someone different.
01:00:44.820
You know, like, I'm just, I wear my heart on my sleeve.
01:00:50.040
But do you ever get people that confuse you for people a lot?
01:00:53.840
Because I'll have people that come up to me sometimes, and they think I'm Tony Cavalero.
01:00:58.060
Do you get people like that sometimes, I think?
01:01:00.440
Like, if you walked in downstairs, somebody might think you're Joaquin Phoenix downstairs.
01:01:06.680
Pull up Joaquin Phoenix on Letterman that time.
01:01:19.620
If you were Joaquin Phoenix today this whole time.
01:01:23.360
If you tell me you're Joaquin Phoenix, bro, it's going to get crazy in here.
01:01:43.840
I'm not putting a little thing like that in my eye.
01:02:00.840
That guy that does that, the Tennessee two-step guy?
01:02:16.840
Oh, I thought you were saying you look like him.
01:02:34.600
This guy is a fucking listening to methadone all day, which is a band.
01:02:44.740
Is there any recent, is there a recent interview with Jessica White or did he pass away?
01:02:50.480
You should listen to the way he talks, but it's probably because you guys, maybe it's
01:02:58.760
No, that doesn't look like, he looks like Hunter S. Thompson right there.
01:03:19.620
He built like a replica of the White House up on this hill there.
01:03:27.600
Bob is his real name, but he's a super interesting guy.
01:03:39.560
Nobody's a bigger fan of Kid Rock than Kid Rock, dude.
01:03:51.840
I think it's called Rock the Country that just came out.
01:03:54.020
A new tour that just came out that Ella Langley's going to be on.
01:04:07.100
Dude, I could see you play Scott Stapp in like a biopic or biopic, whatever they call it.
01:04:11.800
That's you getting me back at that, Jessica White.
01:05:17.640
But I'm not driving across town for a funnel cake.
01:05:20.740
But I guess that one would be the best because you'd have all the animals.
01:05:37.320
Do you have to disguise yourself as something unique if you're out in the public?
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I mean, you mean if I go out as like Boba Fett or like fucking the helmet on?
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If you wore like a football helmet or something.
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We were shooting Dune and I wanted to go see Petra and I got all wrapped up and it was
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And so I did the whole, you know, full wrap and everything's on.
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But it was hot and this little bit of my triangles are sticking out and we're walking
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through and this, this girl is like kind of sees and she goes, and I'm like, but this
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fucking thing gets me in trouble more than anything, man.
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Because it is that a, is that like a Hawaiian tattoo?
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This is basically tapped on and I have one that goes on my head.
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So basically when I'm in the water and we're snorkeling, the shark knows to go to you because
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So it's like, this is what just lets them know.
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I went swimming with sharks one time in South Africa.
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One came and got, so there were these two round cages off the boat and since the edge
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of the boat's like this and you have two circles, there's a space in between the cages
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right up against the boat, like because it's two circles and one of the sharks got stuck
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right in there and he was absolutely going apeshit.
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And then another one came up and put his snout like in the cage and I got to touch the top
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Oh dude, it's the most beautiful place that I've been.
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You know, is there a place you've been that really makes you feel like this is really
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She's from Guatemala and that was my first time.
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So we went to like, we got to go see the pyramids, which is like the largest pyramids
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Tikal, the one that, yeah, Tikal, the one that's, yeah, they write that one.
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Antigua was just like, I've never seen streets like that.
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Don't bring that honky blood around here, whitey.
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That's the kind of shit that I hear all the time.
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He maybe, no, he's definitely one of the biggest Latin musicians of all time.
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And he's probably the biggest Guatemalan in history.
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First of all, they should have a poster that says, hey, come see a 6'5 Guatemalan.
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Dude, I'd pay 40 bucks to go over and see that.
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He's got two nights in a row at New York Times Square.
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Dude, if he is, I'll make sure to go and watch him.
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I'll take a Latin, I'll take a Spanish girl out there on a date.
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You're definitely going to meet some Spanish nurses.
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Yeah, there were ages when I was like, yeah, I'm going to get, oh, I want to find a,
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But I just have like, yeah, I'll just, you got to think ahead, you know?
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I don't know if models are going to take care of you, but nurses take care of you.
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Dude, no, a model's not going to take care of you, dude.
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And she's not going to feed you anything because she doesn't need anything.
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Just both sit there and suck on an empty bottle together?
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I was going to take a little nap because I didn't want to suck on your show.
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Yeah, so I'm probably like a solid six right now.
01:11:52.880
But we had the premiere before I came to Theo Vaughn, which was a big accident.
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So anyways, I was downstairs at Chelsea Guitars.
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It kind of went like, got a little bit of that watermelon color to it.
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And then it fades because of that paint that you used back then.
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But it doesn't have the original pot, so it's kind of cheap.
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And then, you know, I'll put some new pickups in it, and it'll be back to new.
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Yeah, they have all the guitars signed on there.
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When he turns 18, maybe I'll give him this guitar.
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You know, he just booked a role in a movie next to you.
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Oh, I heard that you were working with a water company.
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I was on a flight, and you know, you're flying over on the plane,
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and they give you those little shitty Dasani water bottles with a cap,
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you know, the label, and then there's like three different types of plastic on it
01:14:06.460
So I went to Ball, the people who make those cans,
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I said, I'm going to make a water bottle with you,
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They're like, we're not a, you know, we're not a, we're not a.
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So we set out to do it, and then we ended up making the first,
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Well, now it's got our, we put our movie on there.
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But see how it's got Mananalo printed on the top?
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And so once we kind of stopped single-use plastic,
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and I went to the blue and the red guy, Coke and Pepsi,
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But anything that's in plastic is just leeching in there.
01:15:02.300
You don't want to be drinking out of plastic bottles, man.
01:15:05.040
Yeah, that's what I think about a lot of times,
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especially now with people talking about all the bad stuff that's in our food
01:15:14.520
Yeah, I thought a lot about how do you find water that isn't,
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what's the best water that doesn't have plastics in it?
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It's all these kind of gimmick videos that lead you to buy certain things,
01:15:33.300
Now that there are making those, we made a circular system.
01:15:35.920
So we're now on on hollow powered by boomerang.
01:15:40.920
Like the idea is to be in starting with Hawaii mainly is to be like in
01:15:49.780
where you imagine just going to your room and you got a crate,
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and there's all your water in there and you drink it and you put it back.
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And then down in the basement, there's a machine.
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It fills it with your natural local water source and put some minerals back
01:16:12.540
It's not sitting in some crate and some warehouse in stagnant dead water.
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And if there was a COVID or anything like that each hotel would still operate
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So you can still have fresh water and it's just bottled up.
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you eat with their plates and their fork and you're done.
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And so it's constantly reusable and recyclable.
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So, cause even when you're having the aluminum bottles,
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it's pretty cool that you can go to a hotel and you know that it's,
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it's, there's no, not only are you not doing waste,
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When you think the idea of like taking shitty water,
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And then the shit ends up in our ocean or a landfill.
01:17:20.800
obviously we're self-contained plant Island earth.
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So if we can just do that with all our tourism and people come from all over
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getting married and they get to see what they're doing in each hotel.
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all these different places where it'll have their,
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When I even think about just how many bottles I like,
01:17:52.380
So that's seven empty, but it's like, that's just me.
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it's the most archaic thing that we're drinking.
01:18:00.280
But I mean, so we were, we're doing it in a business side and eventually we'll
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try to get it where, you know, we'll have depots for it.
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the idea is to get people doing it because in every school kids can be doing
01:18:10.240
I like the idea too that you can have your thing at home that you could just,
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just another thing to try to fix in a very broken world.
01:18:27.620
And we don't need that pollution in our, in our oceans.
01:18:39.120
I went to junior lifeguards my whole life when I was growing up.
01:19:03.860
Whereas the natural calm come kind of comes over you and you just like assess the whole situation.
01:19:24.540
You're not going to beat the ocean and you can literally be,
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at least snapped and I'm literally eight feet from the shore,
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but it's like a river going by and you're swimming,
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trying to get in like it's eight feet and you're just getting burned out.
01:19:49.480
So it's just the undertow is just pulling your feet out and it's going to
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It's going to take you out to sea and it'll dump you back in.
01:20:09.160
You're like the Yogi bear of the ocean kind of remember him.
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He was definitely trying to meet a lady that already had kids probably too.
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Not like the Bernstein bear where he was locked in.
01:21:09.220
I always got snuggled down when I read those ones.
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Remember there was that one scary book where one of them,
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was there a time in a movie where you were training for something?
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It was like one of the toughest things you ever had to actually train for,
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I'd say probably Aquaman is probably the hardest I've ever had to train.
01:22:10.640
like some sups monkey that's over there at GNC every day or something.
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My dad used to give us mounds sometimes when we were good.
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I don't do podcasts that much because I always get in trouble.
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thanks for just sitting and sharing some of your experiences and story with me.
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I'm going in two weeks to go shoot it in Hawaii.
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but I'm just saying it's the same thing where you've just like minded friends.
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Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.