#644 - Bryan Johnson
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Summary
Brian Johnson is a health and wellness advocate and entrepreneur. He s been experimenting on himself, trying to beat the final chapter of his final chapter, the coffin. He wants to live forever, and we re going to learn about it.
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By order of the Peaky Blinders, Academy Award winner Killian Murphy returns alongside an all-star cast.
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In Netflix's upcoming film, Peaky Blinders, The Immortal Man, Tommy Shelby must face his own demons
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and choose whether to confront his legacy or burn it to the ground.
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Peaky Blinders, The Immortal Man is in select theaters March 6th and on Netflix March 20th. Rated R.
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You know, he's kind of the doctor and Frankenstein in a way.
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He's been experimenting on himself, trying to beat the final chapter, the coffin.
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Yep, he wants to live forever and we're going to learn about it.
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I'm grateful to have a conversation today, which we got to do quickly because I think he's got to be in bed at like 4 p.m.
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I hear that it's good for inflammation and I do a lot of fasting and so that's been something that on a fast I will have this.
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I feel like, it kind of doesn't matter if it works, but it's like a thing.
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Yeah, well, it starts to give me a little bit of integrity with myself, you know, and
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That's been one of the toughest things, I think, for me, and I would guess probably for
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most people, is just starting a pattern sometimes, you know?
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I feel like that's kind of been one of the things.
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Well, it's like, well, if I know if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing,
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then sometimes it's like if there's something negative the night before, I'm like, I can't
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I go in spurts where sometimes it's better than others, but honoring, like, commitments
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to myself, having that, you know, and just building that integrity that I know I'm going
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It's gotten better over time, but it's been a tough, that's been probably, yeah, one of
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I would imagine it might be for most, for a lot of folks.
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Like, the disconnect between, like, what you want to do and then what you actually do.
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And, like, how big is that divide probably determines if you're happy or not in life.
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I mean, that's one of the things that I think about the most is how far away am I from what
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I would like to be doing, what my behaviors would like to be.
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Like, I mean, you've gone through various stages.
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I think, like, with work, work and things like that have been good.
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I think, you know, on the wellness side of, like, probably emotional wellness, you know,
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I've suffered with, like, or I've dealt with, like, a lot of, like, connectivity disorders,
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like, relationship stuff, commitment, you know, like, probably wishing I was making better
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choices with my, like, dating and social life at times.
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And, you know, sometimes if someone will show interest, I'll kind of, I'll have to see what's
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Whereas sometimes if I know it's not even a good fit, you know, so that's probably been
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It's probably been my emotional, addictive behavior.
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Yeah, I'm, I guess I'm newly in a partnership, the best relationship of my life.
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And, man, it is like, I mean, it is the single thing in life that makes me more happy than
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Just like when it's, when it's a negative state, you know, when there's like bickering and like
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finding fault and trying to correct and the inability to resolve conflict, when there's
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a negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this low level where it's always unsettled,
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And I mean, that's true in business relationships.
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It's true in personal relationships, friendships, all kinds.
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And without it, it, I mean, it's tough to be alone.
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You know, it's tough to be like trying to date, build relationships and not work out and go to
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And it's tiring to like repeat that again and again.
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I think that is, that's, that's definitely true.
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And then it's like, you start to compartmentalize things.
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I'll just, you know, have this part of my, um, relationship or intimacy here.
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And it's like, you know, and that's not, uh, that's not the healthiest way to operate
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I mean, we, it's like, I get teary just even talking about it.
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Like, you know, like I was, um, I wrote this up online and I was thinking, I'm a big fan
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of Ernest Shackleton and he was just a explorer.
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So he did the, the trans, uh, Antarctic expedition.
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He was trying to go pull, uh, you know, shore to shore for the first time.
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And so from top to bottom, uh, just down to the, the South pole from like one side to
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So they got in the, they got the ship all prepared.
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They got all their materials, you know, like enough food and materials for the entire
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And they get stuck in the ice before they even get there early winter.
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And then the entire book is about this insane survival story, like what they went through
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But when you read what he went through, it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure
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And I know this is like, it's a too, too dramatic of a comparison, but there was some similarities.
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I was thinking before, like, what does it feel like to not have deep companionship in
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my life where I've had relationships and they weren't good, right?
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It felt like I'm sure what Shackleton and his crew felt like putting their feet on land
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after being adrift in the ocean for, you know, I don't know what the total duration of time
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is, maybe a year, but just like stable, sturdy, solid, you know, instead of like, what's
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Like just all the emotional whiplash you get and like challenges.
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And when you're by yourself, it's also harder to self-regulate.
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It's nice when someone else is there to kind of be like a...
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I was, I saw my friend in, um, in LA and I got a hug and she just kind of gave me like
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And then I was like, I'm going to stay in this hug.
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She surprised me because, but yeah, she got, she got a good hug on her.
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They just know how to like bring it in and like somehow the arms and the chest and like the
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Like even like a lot of times, yeah, we talked about before, like a grandmother will hug you
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I've like, I've always kind of, I guess, been that I'll do the one arm hug.
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I don't know if you're supposed to hug this person.
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Those places where they had pay phones before they should have somebody stand there, put
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a quarter in their pocket and they got a hug, you know, it's like one of the most underappreciated
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I think they got, well, I think we're ready for it.
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I think you're different than maybe what I seem like you.
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I thought you would seem a little bit more like a robot.
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I mean, I've had several people think, you know, approach me like, are you AI?
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You know, like, like really believing that's the case.
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I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in some areas.
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So I think people are just confused by me generally.
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But it, you seemed way more normal than that.
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Like, just like a regular dude who's been like, um, you know, doing wild shit with his
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blood, you know, like, uh, you know, you seem just more like a, like a chill ass kind
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I think I expected somebody that seemed to be honest to have like more of a sense of,
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And this is probably not the best word, but more of like an autism to them.
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I just got like a warm guy, um, who seems like a lot more engaging than other people I've
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When your keeper, whoever's operating you on an, on the app.
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Like your database is showing dude or something.
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Um, so just so our viewers know, and so many people know about you now, man, there's so many
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You've kind of, um, you're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet in a way kind
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of, cause it's like, you know, you're kind of using your
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Um, can you just explain to us kind of what your general sort of goal is, um, or what your
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So I'd say, um, here's an example for you in, in, um, 1870, the big talk of the town
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was, there was this divide over this guy who had ideas that the reason why he is.
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Um, the reason why people were getting sick and dying is because of these microscopic
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And half the town was like, that's stupid as fuck.
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The other half was like, honestly, that could be legit.
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Now, like they didn't have the ability to see these microscopic objects, but it turned
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These microscopic objects are called bacteria, right?
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So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery or, uh, when you're maintaining hygiene
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practices, you get infection and risk, increase your risk of dying.
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And so that's the kind of example where a new idea showed up.
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And now today we're like, oh, of course, like that happens every, every year, every year.
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And so the idea I'm basically suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point of
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It's just that we might be able to extend our lifespans to horizons where we can't really
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For example, like 150, 200, 500, a thousand, like some number we don't even know that breaks
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So it's just not like a 70 year expectancy, right?
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And it could be the case that as our lifespans are extended, they get longer and longer and
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So that's what I'm suggesting is we are at that point with technology.
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We may be the first generations of humans who don't die.
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And so that's what I've been trying to do is to say that if that is the case, how does
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And so that's the whole, that's why it's so controversial is because you take status quo
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and it's like, if we're all going to die anyways, well, bro, you might as well, right?
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Drink PBR or whatever for it, you know, send it, you know, knock up some woman or man.
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So like, if you, if you say, if you got to the finish line and they're like, Oh, you
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You're like, Oh, if I didn't know that I would have ran the race.
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Or back in 19, I would have taken my time along the race.
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Now I'm just standing there at the finish line, decrepit or like with, you know, just like
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So like right now, like you basically, if everybody dies, then you're playing a game of YOLO.
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And so then your game of YOLO is like, okay, what am I willing to, well, I'm willing
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And so for example, in the world I came from entrepreneurship, the playbook is you don't
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You try very hard to make a whole bunch of money.
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But in doing that, you burn yourself to a crisp.
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You're like 40 years older than when you started.
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And so you basically say, I'm willing to trade life for this money because there's this
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I'm willing to trade my conscious existence for money.
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And I'm saying that trade no longer makes sense.
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It no longer makes sense to die for something like that.
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But I'm trying to basically say we're a society that has built a society of die.
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And I'm working on don't die as the new way of being human.
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But do you think it gets easier to say that once you have some money and once you have
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like a, you know, you have a place where you're like, okay, you know, I know that I'm going
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Like, do you think you would have been able to switch that mindset before having, because
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then you had a company and you guys sold it for, you know, a great deal of money and
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And yeah, and that's, um, that's the American dream, you know, but do you think you would
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have been able to have that same mindset before?
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Because that mindset before is like, yeah, grind, get this money, everything will be good.
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And it kind of is nice in some ways because there's a goal there.
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Do you think you could have had it before or is it easier to have now?
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One is I'm saying that like fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's, they're evil.
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They, they use science to make food that addicts you to their food, right?
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Um, social media algorithms, they're building addiction, right?
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Um, vape, porn, alcohol, smoking, like basically as a society, we have a predator prey relationship
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where companies prey upon individuals with the best science and technology possible and
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And so first of all, the observation I'm saying is, Hey, companies stop being evil.
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Like don't use your powers to make people addicted, to make them, you know, to take their life
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And then two is, um, it's, I don't want to blame people because I know that's, I, that's,
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it's easy for me to say this once I've been on the other side.
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So one, I'm just trying to say like, Hey, this, this is fucked up.
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Uh, uh, number two is I try to be a really positive role in people's lives to say like, if you're
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more ambitious and you do want to make a whole bunch of money, for example, um, here's a
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Like the idea that you're better off working 18 hours a day and sleeping four is just scientifically
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So like, if you're going to work really hard, make sure you get eight hours of sleep, make
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sure you do a little bit of exercise, eat well, but you're not going to be doing yourself
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Like it makes your assistant, like for an engineer, it means like nobody wants to write
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If you don't take care of yourself, you are shitty code.
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It's like, don't be shitty code and try to build life.
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And so those are the two things, but I want to be very clear that I'm not blaming people.
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We just live in a, I don't think it sounds like that.
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We live in a fucked up society and I'm trying to call attention to the fact that like, like
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the system you're playing in is not a good one.
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And it's heavily stacked against people, especially if there's a lot of things where it
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is addiction-based, it's like, oh, well, they know, there's so much information now of
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how to get you addicted down to the molecule, down to like the moment of what you're looking
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It's like, it used to be that, you know, the man had to wake up and he was, he had to
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know where the predator was, where the apex predators are.
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And now the apex predators are, they're, you know, they're in our homes, they're in our
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It's, it's still a, uh, it's a battle and that is a battle.
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It's like, if you want to take it on and then some days and moments and some people's lives
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are like, uh, you know, I don't really want to take that battle on and that's kind of
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But I think knowing that the battle is there is pretty, at least makes it that all the
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Um, yeah, I saw that you recently, you did a social media fast, right?
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Like, yeah, so I, first I, I love social media.
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It's like, you can't even scroll through X without finding something that's great from
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And a lot of it's really great information too.
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I did a 40 hour and then a 70 hour social media fast.
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I've come to believe that social media is pollution.
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So first of all, you know, in watching your Netflix specials, like what I, what I love
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about watching that is you can say anything, right?
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Like the shit you talk about is so, is so unhinged.
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Like literally there's like no, maybe you've got material where you're like, probably shouldn't
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include that one, but like, I couldn't detect it.
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And so that's what you're supposed to be able to do.
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And so like, what I love about that is the elbow room you have, right?
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There's like, when you look at existence, you say like, my, my goal is to entertain you
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But then when people don't have that, when you, when you don't have comedy as the outlet
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and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box.
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They feel like they can only say certain things.
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If they step outside that, they get punished by the tribe, right?
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And so what I love about social media is it just has enabled me to create elbow room.
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Like I posted nudes of myself, you know, like we did the blood, the plasma transfers.
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That's what really made me think, oh, I really want to talk to this guy now.
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And before we get into some of that, what were some of the findings from the social media
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fast or do you think it was long enough to notice anything?
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It was honestly, um, it was kind of life-changing.
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It was, I did one fast that was 40 hours long and then I did a second fast that was 70 hours
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And, uh, the science behind this is when you're engaged in social media, you basically have
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Like you're in this addiction state and you don't realize it, but it's actually creating
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And then you engage with social media to feel normal again.
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Now, once you pull out of it and you have that break, you kind of get, you're out of the
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So now when I pull up the feed, it feels toxic.
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Like it feels like I've had a fast food meal or like I've had, I'm in a secondhand room
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of secondhand smoke or like, it just feels so bad.
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And I guess that I, I, um, pay attention to these feelings because over the past five years,
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I've been doing like hundreds of experiments to my body.
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Like what things make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die.
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And now when I go into social media, it literally feels like death.
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And so it's complicated though, because I love social media.
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But also when I get on, it's like, I'm like, nah, this is not good.
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Well, yeah, there's a thing I noticed if I've taken mushrooms before and you'll look
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at your phone, it's like, oh, get that away from me.
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It all, yeah, it's, it feels like a kryptonite or if I've done ayahuasca or been on ayahuasca
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and you're coming in and I see my phone or I'll get home and turn on the TV.
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That is something that's just resonating, like something dark.
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Like in those moments when you feel sober, it's like you do, you can viscerally feel
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But then once you get in there and you kind of play around for a while, you don't, you
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lose that sensitivity and you feel normal again.
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But yeah, it's, I think, and so what's been resonating is I've been, so I posted this on
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social, I said, because a lot of people think that social media is like a vice or like a,
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you know, a bad habit, but I reframed it and said, actually, I think it's pollution.
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It's like microplastics or lead in the pipes or asbestos in the wall or like, you know,
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I think it really is like a societal pollution.
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And I've been sharing this, so many people are like, I feel this, but they, the problem
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is you can't like telling someone to turn it off is like telling someone to not breathe
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Like you just, like you, you can't do it or like, you know, if there's, if there's,
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if there's water pollution, like the solution for water pollution in London in the 19th
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So I think the solution here is like, I propose this, that if, if people could build AI to
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basically create a layer of protection between me and the internet, that me and the social
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feed, like extract out all the performative metrics, extract out all the garbage, all the
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But I want someone to like, it'd be cool if someone could build a social media into a
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longevity therapy versus like, Hey, I actually have this cigarette.
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Like make it a long, slow fire that has like, um, all a mix of things.
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I want to feel like I've drank like, you know, lemon water and ginger.
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Dude, my friend keeps a five hour energy drink in his sock.
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You know, like this is the thing, but it's just like, right.
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People pound like two to three to four a day, like between, you know, 400 and 800 milligrams
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And they like on top of modafinil or something, you know?
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You just, cause you're reading the fucking crucible or whatever.
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I got to get you another Celsius or something.
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Uh, oh, it says, Hey, Hey, social media users visibly declined one or two points in attractiveness.
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I saw you said something that social media even can make us uglier.
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This is good science because like when you engage heavily in social media, you're basically
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you're lower, you have higher depression, higher anxiety.
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So these are all things that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse.
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So heavy social media users lose at least a point or two on the attractiveness scale.
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So yeah, it does legitimately affect appearance.
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And I think everybody kind of starts at an eight.
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And if your parents, if they were tens, um, wow, that's kind of, yeah, because I, this
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is interesting because I do notice like, first of all, I'll say to people, I noticed this
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now I'll say to people, Hey, I'm going to go into my phone for a second.
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So it's almost like I'm, I'm letting you, it's almost like, yeah, I'm going to have a cigarette.
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Sometimes I'm just so sick of watching socials.
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Just like, I'll look at a few things and it's just like, oh, this isn't help.
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That started the thing too, is I don't even, this doesn't feel like it's doing anything
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Um, and then that the algorithm that, you know, somebody's behind it kind of queuing
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It doesn't leave that, uh, as much of a whimsicalness about it.
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I saw this one tweet that's just getting a lot of attention that I saw.
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Mobile phone short video uses negatively impacts attention functions.
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An EEG study says, one thing I do feel like is that there should be accountability for whoever
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Like, because there's been kids who get affected and then they watch stuff and then they might
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Or people who you're curious about one video, but then it serves you seven others.
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And now you have a strong take about a group or about a person or anything.
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So it's like, shouldn't the creator of the algorithm?
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Like, if I make something and I give it to you and I know it's bad and poisonous, you know,
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there should be, you should be somewhat accountable, it feels like.
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I know there's just now a court case, or wasn't Zuckerberg just in court?
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Mark Zuckerberg grilled about underage Instagram users' social media addiction during landmark
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In his first time testifying about child safety in front of a jury, Zuckerberg said,
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the company does not seek to make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against
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claims that the social media app is designed to be harmful to children.
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I'm focused on building a community that is sustainable.
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If you do something that's not good for people, maybe they'll spend more time short term, but
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if they're not happy with it, they're not going to use it over time.
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I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people spend every month.
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Yeah, this is why I was saying that I wanted to reframe, because when people talk about
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social media, typically the blame is on the person.
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The person spends too much time on social media, right?
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And when you reframe this and you say, actually, social media is a pollutant.
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It's like some company manufacturing cigarettes or asbestos or lead.
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Or when you reframe it that way, it's what you said is, this is a pollutant driving society
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that is making society depressed, anxious, lose focus, right?
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Having all sorts of negative psychological and physiological implications.
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When you reframe it that way, it changes the blame from the individual to like, you can't
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reasonably expect people to want to be part of the tribe, to want to be part of a friend
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group, and then put them in a system like the, it's like lead in pipes.
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So it's like, you can't, the solution is not to tell people to get off the phone.
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You have to do some kind of filtering or something, because it's poisonous right now.
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And people say, well, let's get off your phone.
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But our society has gotten to the place where it is on our phone.
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We live in an electronica society in a digital age.
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So it's, yeah, if you have a neighbor next door who is a company that's just like blowing,
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like, you know, those smokestacks that they never, that they never had any governors on
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and they were just pouring horrible smoke into the air.
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The case filed in Los Angeles Superior Court involves over 1,600 plaintiffs, including families
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and school districts, suing Meta, YouTube, which is TikTok and Snap.
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KGM claims features like infinite scrolling, notifications, and beauty filters create addiction,
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exacerbating body image, depression, and suicidal thoughts.
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Zuckerberg denied Meta aims to addict youth, stating his focus is on a sustainable community
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Grilled on underage users and AR beauty filters, despite internal concerns, he emphasized balancing
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free expression and well-being, saying you don't really build social media apps unless
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you care about people being able to express themselves.
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You know what it feels like is in physics, there's this idea like a phase transition.
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So when water is at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid.
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It feels to me like social media is heading towards a phase transition where there's like
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all this built up, all these built up problems that are over, like about to go from 99C to
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Like we're all fucking broken from this thing.
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And like, I don't think these things are cool because they don't happen gradually.
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So I would love that if like somehow there was a snap and we could all get back our sanity.
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Like when people were like, oh, these are great.
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If they came out with a rule right now and said on your phones won't even work on Saturday
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Like on like grind culture where the expectation is you have to work 20 hours a day.
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It's like, we're like driving ourselves insane as a species is like, we're losing our
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And like, it's, it's right there in front of us and it's all these expectations.
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It's like, God damn, let's, let's go celebrate.
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I think one day if people take over a business or like people like storm the Capitol, dude,
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storm T-Mobile, storm these towers and just bring them down.
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Free us from what this, it's digital chains where we're locked, you know?
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You know, when it's people, when people are not with the tribe, they experience it as physical
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death because we are evolved to live in a group of 150 people or less to be seen by the
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And when you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media, you're not seen
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That's why you can't just say like, don't be on your phone.
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Cause you're like, you, your body's like, am I dead to the tribe?
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So therefore you're forced into this performative existence of like, Hey guys, I exist.
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So it's just, it's such a violent and abusive relationship of this game that no one wants
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Like there's, I don't want to say there's not virtues to it, but the way it's structured
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now, it's just like a, a loss for society overall.
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Well, there's just things that you would miss, bro.
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Sitting there at home, wondering if a chick thought about you or not, bro.
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You see that she's already married or whatever, but back in the day, you couldn't do that.
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So you just had to, and you thought that she did.
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So you were like hopeful and excited and you would just, you would take care of yourself
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But now you'll just go see something like, Oh, she's out with Rick or whatever.
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And then the, the also like the negative effects of just like, if you communicate with all types
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of people all day, then when you finally see like your spouse or your partner at the end
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of the day, you're kind of burnt out sometimes, you know, you're burnt out because you've had
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That's not real connection, but it's, it's, uh, some artificial connection.
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And it's like, if you've been eating Fritos all day and then you get to dinner, you're
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This looks so good, but I'll, I'll, I'm just, I can't even have any right now.
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So we, with this project, we have been, so basically my project don't die.
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So like basically like the idea is if, if we are the first generation won't die, then
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the goal is like identify things that make you die and then don't do those things.
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So what you're talking about at the end of the day, when you're like, I don't know what
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Then it's, so it's basically, it's the stacking of all these things that make you die.
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For example, did you know this, that when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's,
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When you walk in, that is like secondhand smoke.
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So we track 250 things in our society that make me die.
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So you guys track 250 things that make you die.
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So basically when I started doing this, we said, okay, like, are we the first generation
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So then I hired a team of doctors and we got to work.
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And so we, we went through all the scientific evidence.
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We said like, what does the scientific evidence say about longevity and things that make you
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And then I measured every organ of my body that I could, like we would go through and say,
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So I said like, what is the biological age of my heart?
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Cause your biological age can be different than your chronological age.
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So for example, like my ear, my left ear is age 64.
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Cause I shot a lot of guns as a kid, listened to loud music.
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So we measured all of my organs and said like, here's my baseline.
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And then we got to work like doing therapies and measurement.
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And so I became the most measured person in human history.
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There's more data on my body than any humans ever lived.
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And so in doing that, we just found out like what kills the body, you know, like do microplastics
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If so, how, you know, uh, do just going into fast food, like aerosolized does that, um,
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And so when you, it really resonates when you say you go home, like you don't know why you
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feel like shit, but after doing this for years, I know why it's like the stacking of all these
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things that society has done to make a profit.
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And then it's just like, you're the collateral damage, but like we've built a society of die
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So I'm, I never want to approach it to say like, Hey, you individual, like you get off
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And that's, what's cool about this moment is if we do see this moment is like, this
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Like this could be like, it would change everything.
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I love that idea because yeah, when you put it like that, it gives you more of a hope.
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It gives it more of like, uh, um, this, uh, universal type of thing that's going on.
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And I feel that I feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now.
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Why did I believe that the government and the FDA and the EPA that they were looking out
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for me, they it's obvious now from so many trials and, um, and corporate, uh, interests
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that they weren't, you know, there's all these, there's, there's all these things that, that,
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I think a lot of people have put the faith in the hands of their government and, um,
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not entirely, but you would just assume that, oh yeah, the food they're letting come into
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us into our lives where we pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks this,
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And then I think it's at the point now where people that, that idea is totally spoiled.
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Are those powers going to try to like imprison us into this space, which also feels like it's
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going to, they're trying to, um, because you have like companies like bear and Monsanto,
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they're lobbying, you know, like trying to keep all these things, uh, in our food and,
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and make sure that people can't sue if they do get sick.
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Or is it going to be that there's some sort of a, of a revolution?
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Um, so I saw you just, you just asked Trevor to pour, um, your coffee into, and that was
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Cause that's one thing a lot of people were thinking of what's, so there's a lot of,
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there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics.
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Like, so, um, we did this, uh, project where we said, okay, can we,
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Uh, one is we measured microplastics in my blood and we measured microplastics in my
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And we wanted to look at semen because fertility is really important.
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And we want to, like, cause there was a few studies that showed that, uh, 100% of tested
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And so we wanted to basically pose this question.
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Could we do anything in life that would lower my microplastic burden in my body, in my blood
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Like one is, uh, cups they use for, you know, hot coffee.
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So when you're drinking that coffee, you're, you're consuming microplastics.
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And so we did that plus a whole bunch of other things to reduce it.
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And we dropped my microplastic burden by 87% in both blood and semen.
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And so that was a big win for us because no one in the world had ever demonstrated that,
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that you can look at both those things and look at the remediations.
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And the second thing we saw is we think that part of the reduction was from the things we did,
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like removing plastic cups, um, you know, plastic cutting boards, like trying to remove
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We think dry sauna was potentially, we're not sure, potentially the cause of reducing
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So it's kind of, it's the example of where if you hear a headline of like toxin, like
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We try to lay out a clear path of like, you can do these things to reduce your exposure
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So we do that systematically over like a whole bunch of things.
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But yeah, that's why I, I basically try to avoid any material that would be worn.
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And leach microplastics, whereas stainless steel, you don't have that leaching problem.
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And what about using just our microwaves and stuff like that?
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I hear recently that there's microplastics in our air fryers and stuff like that.
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Or is that just a sales pitch for them to get you to get a new air fryer?
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I mean, if your air fryer, I was looking into air fryer recently.
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And so you're, you're heating these materials to certain degrees where you're inevitably
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So, yeah, no, this is the thing is like, once you start, once you realize that plastic is
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a target, you realize you come to learn it's in everything, everywhere you look.
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So even now, like after I've tried to purge my life from plastic, I will still like, here's
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I was doing sauna to try to rid my body of toxins, including microplastics.
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I mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and 90% cotton.
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So there I am trying to rid myself of toxins and I'm using it on my body.
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So like, you know, like that was an idiotic mistake, but like an example, like we're always,
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So I got rid of all the, I thought that was a cotton towel, but it wasn't, but we got rid
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I've actually been working with this company, American Giant that they make, um, they've
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tried to use just American cotton and make their products just in America.
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Like that's, I mean, just a top to bottom America only company that makes, uh,
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textiles or clothing because they don't really even have those anymore.
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Um, I remember their journey was how, how do we even get a shirt made here?
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And it was seemingly impossible just because we don't have the looms or so many things we
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Um, but we've been working on a cotton, like a cotton only underwear that would be, uh,
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Um, what fabrics have you found that are okay to kind of keep on your body, uh, that do
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not have microplastics in them and which ones are the ones that people need to be weary
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So, I mean, one is on the cotton stuff is we were, we've, everything I put into my
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Uh, so we were testing, um, clothing and actually we tested a diaper, uh, a diaper where the portion
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of the diaper, the diaper that absorbs the urine for the baby, uh, we tested that and it
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So, so cotton is, is better than like a polyester, but cotton is also not like, it's not just
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So there could be residual, uh, pesticides in your cotton.
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We don't know, but this is like, I, this is like dangerous because I think a lot of people
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listening are kind of like, oh my God, I give up.
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But I, I, I want to give you hope that you, you just slowly peel back one layer after
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We'll get after, we'll get on top of this, but just like, you just know that there's
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Now there's no evidence that glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin.
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We're bathing our children, you know, we're brave, bathing their private parts in pesticides
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And so like, this is the kind of thing where I'm saying, like, once you start chasing these,
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these paths, you just find out society has built itself for profit.
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And so back to this conversation, you, you, the point you made before of like this idea
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of care, like think of, okay, here's a question for you.
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Who in your life unquestionably acts in your best interest?
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Like without doubt, without a doubt, they act in your best interest.
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Like you can probably count on one hand, right?
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Everyone else, like whether it's like a social group or whether it's companies or the government
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or whatever, everybody else shows up with a complicated set of objectives.
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Part of it may be like, it's not good, but the whole bunch of the rapper behind it
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And so there's this idea of care that I'm trying to pioneer with the company I'm building
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around this is, can we legitimately, unquestionably always act in our customer's best interest?
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Even if it means we lose money, we always show up for you.
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Because that's really like what I've been trying to do in this whole process.
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But it just shows that as a society, we don't have care as a principle, as our society.
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Like you're not expected to actually act in someone's best interest.
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You're expected to have a better exchange to make profit.
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Well, sometimes I'll romanticize, well, it probably used to be that way.
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But the fact that we're at that place now, I think is important.
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We did this thing this year around the holidays where we've tried to find 10 American companies
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that were like American-made products and then show those off, like highlight those.
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So, and it was just so you, if you want to buy something that's American, you can get it.
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You know, this is something that when you buy it, you're supporting a fellow American.
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Like if I buy from you and you buy from me, then we keep each other alive.
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We're, it only, you know, so we're trying to start to create this, this space where you can do that.
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Where it's like, if I want to buy something, I'd rather, instead of going to look at like
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these things that are on the same shelves in every single place,
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why don't I go find this unique thing that's only made by one of my fellow human beings, you know?
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It's one of the things that's kind of made me most excited recently, like in the world.
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And we're trying to work with like Shopify or something, you know,
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some company to come along and be like, well, these are the sites, you know,
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people are going to need these sites to build their products.
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Because then it's like, like we even had a woman who sells like these really like great little characters
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So we had some artists and creatives in there, but it was great.
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Um, people want to go down the road where there is like some accountability for themselves
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and they want to be in a way where they can, uh, where they, the purchase,
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It feels like I'm giving this to someone else who I know probably needs it just as much as I do.
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So I think anyway, I'm saying, I think there's somewhat of a, people do care or we,
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to get people to care where they're spending, you know, um, that's kind of stuff is very important.
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What, what are your thoughts on RFK juniors, his eat real food initiative?
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Because he came on here and he talked about it.
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He's like, he's getting after it, you know, like people, like in any situation, um, people
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And so I respect that he's pulling up and he's made some great, uh, he has some great
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And so, yeah, I mean, I, I'm, I'm grateful for him doing it and it was cool.
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You know, like Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in my consciousness more
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When I was, when I was seven years old, he had peed, I think he was 21.
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He just won the belt and he was on the cover of sports illustrated like every week.
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I would cut those out and I had it on my wall, but my Tyson was my idol.
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Like, and I actually, this is like a terrible story.
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Um, I loved him so much and I saved up all, I worked all summer long mowing lawns and like
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I saved up money and I bought the pay-per-view.
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I'm going to treat them to this amazing experience.
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And he was fighting Buster Douglas, his first big loss.
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And oh my God, that was, uh, that was like soul wrenching.
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Uh, because I wanted to see Tyson, like, you know, knock out of the park.
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I'd never seen him fight live and you couldn't just like pull them up on clips on YouTube.
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It was like, it's harder to see, but anyway, somebody like tangent there, but, uh, it was
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cool to see Tyson go from that to now he's like in my world talking about real food and how
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We're supposed to do a podcast with him coming up soon, actually.
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So if I do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that you get to come over there.
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He was like, you know, boxers were such, uh, like, I don't know if, like they were such
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Like you had like basketball, you had the bulls, you've got the bears, uh, you know,
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Um, what do you think the government's role should be in our, uh, health and diet?
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One is there, there are a lot of things I want to do that I can't do because the government
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I can eat all the junk food out there, but I can't try a new longevity drug.
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The companies are forbidden from allowing me to do that.
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So like in many ways I, I dislike, uh, they give me the freedom to kill myself, but I can't
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have the, I don't have the right to experiment on myself.
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And I wish I had more experiment, experiment, experiential power that I could do that.
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Have there been a certain drugs and stuff that you wanted to go try or a lot of them?
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What's one that really kind of, you know, tickles your Benjamin, but that's good.
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I mean, there's a whole bunch of, uh, there's like probably a dozen.
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Um, and like the, the thing I'd, I want to do is I want to accept the responsibility of
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Well, I don't want them to say like only after, cause then it, it creates this gigantic
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Companies go through like a, a structured process and they say, it's gone through this process.
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Like on large scale vaccines, like you don't want to ship a shitty vaccine to society.
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Um, also right on like a N equals one, like me scale, I want to do things without their
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So it's a really tricky balance because there, there needs to be some structure in place
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where as a member of the society, I can say, I trust some entity to ensure what I'm doing
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is safe because we're saying the company itself can't be trusted, right?
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But now the middleman, it feels like can't be trusted.
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It's like what, if we just like take this little wholesale, what we're going back to is care,
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Like, do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimately looking after my best interest
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And this is why I'm saying when you go back to like who legitimately is looking after your
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best interest, it's not like one hand, it's your brother.
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And so what if we established as a society, the principle of care?
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And now that's hard because you have to do things that are not your best financial interest.
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So like it really puts a different mentality, but also man, would it be kick-ass to live in
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Where like, I, you know, if you're going to tell me to take a drug, like you're not hiding
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Like you're not like, you know, so that'd be cool.
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Cause imagine also the stress that it adds to all of us.
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And you're like, is this thing going to kill me?
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But is there something in here that they're strategizing to kill me 30 years from now,
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you know, to create some new disease in me that then I'll need some new type of medicine.
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You know, it just kind of, yeah, it's a lot of turmoil.
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And then we'll talk about like supplements that you like.
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The principle here is that I am a collection of around 70 trillion cells.
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Half, like over half of those cells are alien cells.
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You, you are a collection of like 70 trillion cells.
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So like they're bacteria and others that are hanging out in your ecosystem.
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And so the question is like, you know, when it comes to food, food is just a collection
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So you're taking one set of molecules and you put them in your molecules and you say like,
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And so we know, for example, when you take fast food, those molecules are put in your body.
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And so with diet, we basically just say, if you have to create a list of the very best molecules
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in existence that help the body thrive, what are those molecules?
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I just want to look at the evidence and say, you take a given thing, you put it in the
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And so my diet primarily consists of a whole bunch of vegetables.
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I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil.
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And so I'm just, I'm extremely meticulous because I'm trying to become the most don't
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So, but you know, if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat, you know, like do your thing.
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Just measure your body, like measure your body and see if you're happy or not.
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If the body is, so there's what your mind can say, like, oh, I love blank.
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Your body is going to tell, is going to speak the truth, not your mind.
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So basically like you want to measure out, let your body report out how's inflammation,
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how's cholesterol, like how's all the different markers.
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So, and when it comes to meat and things like that, are there just, you don't like them
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or you feel like they don't work for your body?
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Was there something that you found that you're like, this isn't the best for me?
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So it's actually, I mean, one is, I think there's two points.
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One is, I think you can make an evidence-based argument that a diet that primarily consists
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of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil, legumes, is one of the best
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And then on the like red meat, there's not a ton of evidence that a lot of ton of longevity
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evidence that says this thing is a longevity producer.
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Now, but I, I pull myself out of the argument because I don't care about red meat.
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If somebody wants to eat red meat, I support you in eating red meat.
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Yeah, I'll pat you on the back while you have a little, you know.
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So I tried to do that and I tried to then share my body biomarkers and say, here's what
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I think it's one of the best foods you can put into your body.
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There's like this whole seed oils are bad for you.
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It's, it's high temp seed oils, but you know, like cold pressed seed oils, you
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Oh, so you think the seed oil thing is kind of out there.
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That's when they become dangerous, but cold pressed seed oils, the evidence says they're
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But again, like if somebody wants to do it, great.
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Like, you know, abstain or take it, just measure yourself and try to find the markers.
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Check in with yourself, have some sort of like, okay, how do I really feel after having this?
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Not your mind, not your opinion, not what social media says, ask your body to report
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out with biomarkers, get a blood draw, look at your markers and say, is the body happy
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Not each time you eat, but you're saying over time.
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Cause those like your body reflects your diets over a period of time.
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But like the easy ones, like just avoid, there we go.
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This was just saying cooking oils, not all cooking oils are created equal.
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This chart breaks down the linoleic acid content in different oils, helping you make informed
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choices for heart health and inflammation control.
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High linoleic oils like soybeans, sunflower and corn oil can contribute to inflammation
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while healthier options like coconut, olive and grass fed butter offer beneficial fats.
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So this is kind of what you're saying, actually, that some of these may provide less health
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But like on this though, like this graph, I want to see the toxic compounds that are
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Otherwise, like, I don't know how to read this graph.
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I mean, even in trap me, it just, you know, they use the red, yellow, green.
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There's a lot of small strategies that can kind of like, yeah, I want to see what temperature,
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So that is like a, that'd be a much more quantified approach where I'd say, all right, now I feel
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like I have a good basis for decision-making versus like, this is easy to read online.
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Because anything more than good, bad, it kind of, it gets overwhelming for people.
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Based upon the evidence I, my team and I have reviewed, this is what I would suggest if
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One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than any food in my diet.
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It's 15% of my daily caloric intake, but it's, we source it ourselves.
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It's high polyphenol, has the right acids, right, right constitution.
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It's not just, because most olive oil is bullshit.
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Like most of it does nothing and most of it, a lot of, yeah.
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So you need a very, so whatever you buy, make sure it has a third party lab test result.
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I mean, I know, or do you have this yourself that we could buy?
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I do it myself because like going back to that discussion of care and trust, after playing
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this game for five years, I don't trust anybody.
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So like, yeah, I want to source it from the farm myself.
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And then my friends were like, I want this too.
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But yeah, it's basically, we source from both hemispheres, Southern hemisphere, Northern
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And also like I do a tablespoon with every meal because when you eat food, it causes
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They think like food is like a good thing, which it is, but also there's a sort of, there's
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So olive oil lessens that damage, like lessens some of the oxidative damage.
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Two is I eat a lot of legumes, like lentils, edamames, beans, a lot of vegetables, but I
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So when you, when you char something, whether it be charring vegetables or meat or something,
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Advanced glycated end products, which is basically just thinking of it like junk that builds
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And then I eat a lot of nuts, macadamia nuts, almonds, um, walnuts.
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And cashew just looks like it's fucking, looks like it doesn't even know what it's doing.
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If you look at a cashew, bring up a cashew.
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But I'm just saying, it looks like it'll sleep over at anybody's house.
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I've never heard someone riff on a cashew's appearance, but you know what?
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Oh, and I've never even thought about it till now, but I'm glad I'm even saying some of this.
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Hey, everybody, it's Theo Vaughn here, and I got a question.
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When it comes to taste, I find that nothing beats Pepsi Zero Sugar.
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Theo, I wish I could say, I wish I could talk about shit like you do.
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You know, like, I still play within a certain box of, like, what I can and cannot say, but...
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And do you think it's some of that's for, like, business purposes, or you just think it's just, like, a social way that you learned?
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I mean, it's like, as weird as I am, and as much elbow room as I've created in doing crazy shit, there's still some things that I would say that would alienate certain people.
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And so, I do have some parameters, and so, but I, you know, if I wasn't doing this, honestly, I'd do stand-up comedy.
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Oh, man, it would be so much fun, because you basically, you're trying to put your finger on the thing.
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And that's what I try to do in my life, but, like, and so, and when people, their response, of course, is, like, how good you are at putting your finger on the thing.
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But you're willing to say it, and you can string it together.
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You're kind of like a, I mean, it's just not stand-up comedy, but you're just doing it for our health, you know?
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And I would way rather you're this guy out there who's, like, just, who's basically riding around being his own voodoo doll and shit than have you out there, like, trying jokes,
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which you may have been very successful at as well, but I'm glad you're doing what you are.
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Maybe, you know, maybe it'll be a side thing or next life, but also some people might not even take you as seriously.
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I would have loved to have been a stand-up comedian.
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He goes, but now I'm so known for being what I am that I can't even be this.
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Because it just, people wouldn't accept it or wouldn't give you the same walkway into their lives as they would knowing I'm already John Mayer.
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You know, like, I would love to take that on that challenge, and man, I would love.
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You probably might not even have any blood in your body, dude.
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But you could go to a blood draw, and they just keep drawing and drawing that are sitting there.
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Like, nurses are coming out like, we don't know, you know?
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I mean, oh, dude, I bet if you, have you ever been on Kill Tony?
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If you, I wonder if we, maybe next time I go in there, you and me could go.
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It's this, it's like the Tonight Show now, but they do it down in Austin, and it's, and, dude, I bet people would write some jokes.
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I went to a couple Roast Me shows, and it was pretty good.
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My buddy Adam Hunter does, I used to do a lot of those.
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But Tony Hinchcliffe is really great at it, too, and that's his show, Kill Tony.
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Were there other things you were going to tell us about?
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Some, so some other health stuff you said that your own, and you also have a, and I'm not pushing your products here, but I was given a gift of one of your products, and I haven't taken it before.
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And a lot of times you hear that supplements and stuff like that, a lot of that stuff just comes out in your urine.
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Like, what makes this thing any different, or is it any different?
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So the, the problem I was trying to solve is I need to eat every day somehow.
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And I need a certain amount of protein, a certain amount of fat.
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And so when I go out in the world, I'm like, where am I going to buy it?
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So basically, like, we put together, I eat everything my company makes, because I trust it.
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I, I, you know, I worked as a, in high school, I worked at a restaurant.
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I was, and I saw the back kitchen operations, and I was like, damn, I'm never eating at this restaurant ever again, right?
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Like, once you see it, it's, it's, it's horrifying.
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Yeah, well, it's crazy when you think you're at a restaurant that you think that the people in the back are doing their best.
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Because a lot of times you're, like, you'll go eat, and then I'll go work at a restaurant.
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So it's like, then I'm just the person in the back.
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And like, the, the whole idea of like, so there's like competent things going on behind the scenes that like, you can trust?
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So yeah, protein, I basically need like 130 grams a day.
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Um, you know, we look at all the, the nutrients and the chemicals and the toxins.
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So yeah, so the protein is one of the things we've built.
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And what kind of protein powder do you recommend?
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That's kind of what I feel like works best with my system.
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But, um, what, is there a type of, cause you hear different ones and new ones pop out.
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And then there's like the one you're supposed to take at night.
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Like, have you, what has your experience been like with protein powders?
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Dude, it should be obvious pumpkin has muscles, dude.
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You look at a fucking flex in the, in the fields, right?
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Because pea, sometimes I'll get it in a smoothie or something and you can't even drink it because it's not the, the solution isn't liquid enough.
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But people, there's like this online thing where people say that plant-based proteins are higher in heavy metals, right?
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The issue with that is that the whole heavy metal discussion is so fucked up because we test all my foods.
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You can go to the store and get a carrot and test that for heavy metals.
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And so the only reason why it's been sensational around plant-based proteins with toxins is because it's packaged food you can easily measure.
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So like we've learned toxins are everywhere in all foods.
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And so, for example, I'll give you one where I was eating these lentils and the test came back high.
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And so we're like, why are lentils high in heavy metals?
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So we got a hold of the company and we're like, what's your manufacturing process?
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They said, actually, we use human sludge as our fertilization.
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They're taking human shit because it's like a-
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So they're using human shit to fertilize and human shit has heavy metals in it.
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And so this is why I make this shit because I shouldn't say stuff.
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So the lentils, they were using human shit on their crops and it was getting into the lentils somewhat.
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Because otherwise, if you think about it, you're like, what foods naturally have high levels of blank, right?
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Like it has a lot of high levels of cadmium naturally.
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But then people test that, like here are the brand rankings, but then glyphosate can also be present.
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And so we found that the brand had the lowest levels of cadmium, had the highest levels of glyphosate by like 10x.
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And so this is the thing is like you, once you actually take a topic and you actually slice it up to capture the nuance, it's just the conversation online is almost never right.
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Like when the things that drain, that gain trendy popularity, it's almost always wrong.
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And when you said that some of it almost is negligible then, because at a certain point, just overall, we are in a very tough spot with what is in our foods no matter what.
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Like this I'm saying, like it is, I don't, people are going to feel stressed about this conversation.
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I want to give like a few tips where people can regain control of their life.
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Well, one of the things that I even, I think you've already done is that's why you're saying like, okay, you may have this diet.
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If you have an olive oil that you take when you're eating, that it will lessen the effects of your diet on your system at the time.
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So, and those are the types of things that are kind of important.
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It's like, okay, well, I know that even if some stuff I know is going to be not great for me, how do I at least just mitigate what's going on while our science hopefully gets, you know, uncompromised, while our food system hopefully gets uncompromised and we're able to get back into a better place.
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But you were saying, uh, there are some things you want them to take away.
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So here's like, uh, in short, um, this, this list of things will hopefully help people feel empowered and not anxious.
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So yes, there's like all kinds of shit to be aware of, but if you focus on these things, so one is I've learned out of all the things I've measured out of, I literally have like billions of data points in my body over the past five years.
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If you distill that and say how many are useful signal, probably a few hundred million, but it's the largest data set in human history.
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The thing I care about the most is what is my heart rate before bed?
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It is like the most useful biomarker and it's so easy because it's free.
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So if you have a wearable, you can just pull up your phone, see what you're wearing, what your mark, so you go, you lay down on your bed, take a few deep breaths and you calm yourself down.
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And then you see a number, let's say it's like 55 beats a minute or 60.
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Your goal in life now is to lower your heart rate.
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So you say you start off at 60 in a month from now, be at 55.
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And so the way you do that one is you have your final meal of the day four hours before bed.
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So if your bedtime to 10 at 6 p.m., you're done.
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So when you increase your heart rate before bed, it wrecks your sleep.
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When you don't sleep well, your willpower falls off a cliff.
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So the next morning when you're trying to decide, do you eat the croissant or the donut for breakfast or not?
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If you haven't slept well, you're like 90% more likely to eat the donut or the croissant.
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If you slept well, you have a little juice in the system.
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And I'm going to exercise, which then also increases your willpower.
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So, for example, like so four hours before bed, that is going to lower.
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So when you have that distance, it allows your body to digest the food.
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It allows your body to say, I'm going to get ready for bed.
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So it lowers your body temperature, lowers cortisol, increases melatonin.
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So your body's in a much better state to go to sleep and stay in deep sleep.
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The second thing is your phone needs to be off an hour before bed.
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You can't be in bed scrolling, working, texting.
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You need the separation because your body, the phone in hand, is going to increase your cortisol,
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Instead of the phone, go for a walk, talk to a friend, hang out, like breath work, meditation,
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read a book, like anything but be on your phone.
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And there's other small things, like I do this nighttime discussion where I go to bed at 8.30.
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And sleep Brian is a version of me that defends my sleep.
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And he's like, I got a fucking banger idea, right?
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And sleep Brian says, we see you, ambitious Brian.
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And sleep Brian's like, yeah, yeah, we got you.
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And he's like, yo, today when you were with Theo, you said that thing.
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Dude, this Brian is freaking, leave me alone, Brian.
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Like, whether you do this or something else, the way this manifests is, if you don't do
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this, you put your head on the pillow and then you loop, right?
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Like you have these thoughts that just like go and go and go and they're the same thoughts.
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And so they cause your heart rate to go up, which causes your sleep to go down, which crashes
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So by doing this like internal harvesting, like you're trying to clean up, you're lowering
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You're getting to some point of reconciliation.
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So now you've not eaten for four hours, you've got off your phone and you've got some kind
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Now you're ready to think, I can put my head on the pillow and have a decent shot at a
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And so basically I built my entire life around sleep.
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Now, if you focus on that, it's just like so much of life is just not doing bad shit.
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This is like what we talked about before of like, whether you're happy or not in life
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is how much you're doing, which you actually don't want to do.
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And then like all the other stuff, like all these little things about this and that, like
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Just get sleep in place, get these basic habits in place.
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And then once you get that in a steady place, you can start layering on good habits.
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But if you take on too many things, you'll feel overwhelmed.
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A lot of times I stay up editing, but I also have gotten trapped into a late pattern.
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I could get up earlier, get rid of like the working out, the meditation.
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You know, I'll do like some Zoom, like recovery meeting stuff.
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It feels easier no matter what I'm doing, as opposed to these things being later in the day
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That's one of the biggest traps I set myself up for is procrastinating like the toughest
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There's a lot of different affordable ones, actually.
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But that's something that I noticed has helped me a lot.
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So when the testicles get warm, it has all these negative consequences.
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And so what you can do is on Amazon, you can buy like $8 ice packs.
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Put them in the freezer and then just slide them underneath your cotton.
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Put them in between the underwear and the shorts
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and just have them there for the entire session of the sauna
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I did the most measured sauna experiment in history.
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I don't care about that because I'm not trying to get pregnant or whatever.
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But it has a whole bunch of negative feedback loop.
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You want good fertility markers, even if you're trying to have a baby.
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Yeah, you want your brain to feel like you're just alive.
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Yeah, if your brain starts feeling like, oh, these nuts are useless or whatever.
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Your brain's like, then what am I sticking around for?
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Now, what if you just pour a little bit of cold water on your nuts every now and then?
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I mean, you could, but you got to keep the water cold.
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Like as long as you get the temperature low, like whatever you do.
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And then after you do it, you know, just clean it with like a hydrogen peroxide or something,
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But yeah, I know it's like, it's uncomfortable to do it socially.
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Like you go out to like a public place and it's like, who's the weird person putting,
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you know, the ice pack on their balls, you know?
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But like it legit is, it's good science and it's a good practice.
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So keeping them cool, even if you had to go to the water, to go to the ice machine,
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get you a little sack of ice and just set them on there while you're in there.
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Anything you can do to keep your ice, your testicles cold.
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Is the sauna, is there a certain type of sauna that you really recommend or something that
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There's ones now like, I actually was thinking about getting like an infrared panel put into
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Do you find that there's any help with that sort of thing?
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The problem is it heats up your skin faster than your core temperature.
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So dry sauna and infrared rarely hits the temperature levels you want.
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So the best evidence is you want to be between 174 Fahrenheit to 212 Fahrenheit.
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And then you want to, so what, so what we're doing now is, um, one of the primary benefits
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of, of the sauna is when you go in there, your core body temperature, when it gets to
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about 102 degrees Fahrenheit, it triggers the release of heat shock proteins.
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So these are like, um, little machines, protein machines that get spun up and they go around
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Like they're like flooding your body, doing good stuff, but it only gets triggered when
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your core body temperature hits a certain level.
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And so if you're not hot enough to sauna, so they're, but they're very hard to measure.
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So we're currently setting up a lab, uh, a wet lab in my house.
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We're going to try to measure my heat shock protein release on various temperatures, various
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So what we've been looking, cause I've been doing core, uh, temperature out of my ear
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lately, but you can't, the, the gold standard measurement is rectal, but you've got to do that.
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You've got to like be inside the ass for like two to three minutes with a long probe.
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Like I do, I do, I do a lot of stuff, but like, man, I was like, guys, can we find an
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We're going to measure heat shock protein release.
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But yeah, like basically dry sauna, somewhere between 174 and 212 Fahrenheit for 20 minutes
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And you want to stay in that sauna for, you said for 15 to 20 minutes above 170 degrees.
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It's like, if you're in that range, you're getting some benefit.
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But like, if you're in that temperature range for that duration of time, you're going to
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Cause I, and my, my step-sister just got me a sauna hat.
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It just seems kind of nice to, you know, it's nice to have a little bit of like a fashion
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accoutrement in there kind of, it's made of hemp, uh, hemp material.
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One thing we're trying to make an underwear that's just all cotton, right.
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One of the things I noticed too on underwear, the, the night band, sometimes the waistband,
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it's too tight and it makes you go pee all night.
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So it's like, you got to wake up an extra time or sometimes too, like if I wear some of
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these ones that are really constricting, I'm like, yeah.
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I've just been trying to think about making a decent pair of, uh, uh, britches, bro.
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Something to hide your cock in or whatever.
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Um, I saw that you went viral not long ago for posting.
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Take me down that, uh, take me down that Wiener road for a second.
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Ryan, what did you, what did you see here?
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Nighttime erection data from my 19 year old son.
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And this is definitely, I mean, that's one way to build, uh, that's bonding.
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Um, nighttime erection data from my 19 year old son, uh, Talmadge Johnson and me.
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His duration is two minutes longer than mine.
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Uh, raise children to stand tall, be firm and be upright.
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I noticed you and your son, do you, he gets involved in a lot of this, right?
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He, uh, he's my second, uh, child and, um, he and I are just best friends.
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We roll and man, like we're like, we're just twins.
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Like we just like, you know, with Kate, um, man, I love this kid so much.
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Like we're doing a shirtless skin to skin photo shoot.
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I mean, he's, he's, he's like, and so like we're there, we did a blood transplant.
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And is that, was there any helpful stuff in that?
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So my, this, the origin behind that is my dad called me in a panic and he said like, I,
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I stepped away from my, my desk, came back to it.
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And so that day my team and I had a call about plasma exchanges.
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Like the idea of you, like there was a study where a old mouse and a young mouse were
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sewed together and they, they shared a circulatory system.
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That's kind of a shitty, shitty mouse, right?
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And so there was this idea, like what's happening, right?
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Could you replicate the results there by taking plasma that is youthful and give it to someone
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And so my, I was like, dad, if you want to do this, I'm happy to give you my plasma.
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Like, you know, cause there were some studies being shown.
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You're like, so he, he heard, he heard me, Talmadge heard us talking about it.
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He's like, Hey, like, if you want me in, like, I'm, I'm happy to be in.
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And it's interesting that my dad, his speed of aging, it's like, there's a clock inside
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your body of how fast or how slow you're aging.
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His speed of aging dropped by the equivalent of 25 years.
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So his body had a dramatic reduction of how fast it was aging from getting my plasma.
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So your body basically has these chemical signatures of like, what does your body look
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So like, you know, it's not like the, like blood work is a gold standard marker, but this
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And so, yeah, my dad's metadata changed dramatically.
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So when, when my son Talmadge gave me his plasma, my biomarkers did not change, which like makes
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sense because my biomarkers are already like his, we're already of comparable health,
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So like anything I say or anything I do, he's always like, dad.
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And you know, like when I did the live stream mushrooms, he's like, I'm in and I want to
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And so he's just like, he's such a cool dude.
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Um, I want to talk about the mushroom stuff and I'll, but take me back to the erections.
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Uh, what, and that's the only time I'll ever say that probably.
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If you tickle somebody hard enough, they'll admit it.
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So there's like, the idea behind this is, um, how do you tell if somebody is in good
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Um, it turns out that nighttime erections for men is a major marker for health.
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And that if a man is not having erections at night, when he's asleep, it's representative
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But after, before we did this, nobody talked about this idea, but every night you go to
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bed, uh, your body goes to a natural process of erection cycles.
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So men have between three and five erections every single night.
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So females also have, uh, these arousal cycles that are clitoris and gorges that they,
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you know, so, so you can, we can measure a man's erections.
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So we have this little device you put on the base of the penis and you go to sleep.
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You think it's annoying, but it's actually fine.
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And you wake up in the morning and it gives you a readout.
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How many erections you had, how long they were, and then the strength, the erections.
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And what it's basically doing is it's telling you the health of your cardiovascular system,
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your psychological health, and your physiological health.
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So if you're, if your dick is broken, something else is broken about you.
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And you can also use it as an age marker because as you age, uh, like a healthy 18 year old
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will have something like two and a half hours of nighttime erections.
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And by the time you get to 70 years old, it's down to like 51 minutes.
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So mine are, uh, my, my best is like three hours and 52 minutes.
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So I'm at the 99.9 percentile for nighttime erections.
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And this is a cool marker because like people can, can look at me and say, bro, you still
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And the way to counteract that is when you go to bed, your body just doesn't like, I
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can't change if I have erections and I don't know.
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So it basically is a question of like, my body is behaving like an 18 year old, like
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And so that's like a good marker of like, is my stuff working or not?
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So I actually, I was teaching my son, like, I was like, Hey man, how are you doing?
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He goes, as a good father would want his son to be healthy.
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And I was trying to demonstrate that, you know, I'm 48 years old.
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He's, he's a 20, uh, our bodies basically are behaving the same.
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So, uh, yeah, people like, you know, I definitely had a lot to say about this post.
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You know, when you think about that, you had 34 million views on this.
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It'd be like, that's not even like it went so much more viral than that.
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But dang, also it's a great business card for your son in the dating world.
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I mean, it's just like, yeah, if that's something that's just like, it's your nature that it's
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Cause yeah, I noticed that I definitely, if I wake up with an erection, I do feel more like,
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Like you remember feel like when you were like early teens.
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Like in the middle of the day you have, you just become erect.
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I remember walking down the hall and having to like lean my body inward.
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Like, cause you are like walk with your, just book over.
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Holding your book back and wearing your book back on the front.
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Or just, um, or I'd walk in like just at school, I would just point my body towards the wall
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But then as you, as you age, right, they just disappear.
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So I talk about it because people who don't have, men who do not, do not have robust nighttime
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erections are 70% more likely to have a cardiac event.
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So like you, like you really want to know if it's not working, like all their stuff is
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A lot of my, yeah, there was a long time I didn't because a lot of it was psychological
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I think I was just, there was something going on in my head that wasn't healthy.
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Um, you had mentioned, uh, you had an experience.
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Do you cut off fluids at a certain time at the end of the day?
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So I, like I measure what I did is I measured, uh, my fluid.
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So when I exercise and when I'm in the sauna, I'm able to exercise how much I measure how
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So Gatorade has a patch, just put it on the inside of your forearm and then it gives you
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how much you sweat and also the content of your sodium.
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And then you have an idea of like, you can back into how much should you consume and
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should you supplement with the sodium or do you already have that?
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So yeah, I consume about, about 120 to 130 ounces of water per day.
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So a lot like you, I front load it in the morning and I stop around four to five.
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So that then helps me, uh, less than the number of times I need to get up.
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So sometimes if I'm lucky, I'll sleep the entire night.
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And then other times like probably half the nights, you know, I'll get up once.
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Um, but yeah, I tried to stop fluid, uh, towards the end of the day to stop getting
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So you'll stop it kind of right after you eat dinner?
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So I, well, actually I eat dinner at like 11 a.m.
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I wake up like at four or five, like four or five.
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It's like so many things that are like, don't eat breakfast.
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I feel better when I don't eat breakfast and I eat later in the day and I keep it into
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a smaller eating window, but you don't, that's not your practice.
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But I like what I, I built my life around sleep, like unquestionably.
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So the reason I do that is because if I have my last meal around noon, my heart before
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I go to bed will be around 41, 42, 43 beats per minute.
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Um, which, um, if I have that, I will have a perfect night sleep.
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I'll get like four to four and a half hours of, uh, for sort of sleep.
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Um, I'll, you know, half the nights I will not get up other nights.
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I'll wake up, I'll be back to sleep within like a minute or two.
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And then once I have that kind of sleep profile, like I feel like I can take on life when I
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don't sleep well, it just, it's like, oh man, it sucks.
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Everything does the way I treat other people, the way I treat myself.
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Like you're saying, last night's sleep was bad.
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You know, there's this, there's this like regenerative thing that sort of continues to
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Um, do you, uh, take any supplements for sleeping?
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Um, instead of synthetic, but otherwise like, you know, people have their sleep stacks.
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They have like the magnesiums and like cool, but I just don't need it.
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And so we've measured this where your body wants to run.
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They run certain biochemical processes on certain timeframe.
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So for example, if your bedtime is 10 PM and you miss it, you say like, I'm going to go
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So at 10 PM, your body has a trash collector that rolls to the body and it picks up the
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If you're not in bed at 10 PM and asleep, the trash collector doesn't come and the trash
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And so it's more important to be on time and consistent.
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Otherwise like the body's processes can't do its thing.
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It's like, you have to treat the body like a system.
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I'm going to like power over it or like run.
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You can't like the body runs on certain principles of biology.
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And it kind of makes sense because even your brain, like your brain's main job is just to
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A system just wants to run in an organized fashion.
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Like you were saying, like when we first started talking, it's like, you have a plan, you have
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I read somewhere that you spend like, um, a couple million dollars a year to take care
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It's, I think it's a bit less now because we have all these systems built out, but the
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cost primarily came from hiring the doctors, hiring the scientists.
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So we had to like comb through all the scientific evidence.
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Like for example, if you do sauna, how do you do sauna?
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Um, you know, how long do you ice your testicles or not?
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Uh, how do you measure your heat shock proteins?
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Like the little minions going out and doing the good shit.
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Like you have to go to this degree, uh, which is extensive.
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Like I have a couple, like, I don't know, a million or two of equipment at the house,
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all the various things, and then just all the money for the experimentation and measurement.
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But the actual things we've learned are low cost.
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Like I can take everything I've learned and give it to somebody and they can put it into
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So it's been really just about, um, there's, there's actually very few therapies that cost
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And so that's been the process of like spending the money to figure out what does work and
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It's because this is the thing is yes, but you have to make sure that you're getting the
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right amount of red light therapy for the right duration of time.
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And so if it's like a face mask of whether it's a panel, and so we do things like, we'll
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take a panel, we'll measure the irradiance, like how much exposure you're getting at what
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distance, what duration, if you're looking for like deep healing or longevity.
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So again, like, I don't want to make this overly complicated, but it matters.
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Like if you're doing red light therapy, get this dose.
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And now you can just go to an AI model and be like, I have this device.
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If I want a longevity protocol, how long should I have this?
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And that gives you the data, but you want to be precise because a lot of people think
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Because I was talking about a naturopath ophthalmologist.
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And she was saying that some exposure to red light therapy can be helpful.
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You know, I'll go to a place where I get NAD every week and I'll do NAD injections every
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Are you, is the barometric thing something you recommend?
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So I have a hyperbaric oxidant therapy chamber.
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So it's, it's, it's potentially, it's, it's right there at the very, very top.
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So I'd say sauna, hyperbaric oxidant therapy, and like, uh, interestingly, uh, mushrooms,
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But yeah, hyperbaric is, uh, one of the best therapies.
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I did a 250 biomarker measurement and what we saw after 60 sessions, um, yeah, there we
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Um, we, we saw changes in my brain, in my microbiome, my skin, my blood inflammation,
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If you pull up, do, um, find the one I wrote up or I did on X, Brian Johnson, um, HBOT
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It's the best skin rejuvenation protocol in the world that rebuilds collagen, elastin
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It gets rid of senescent cells, which are zombie cells.
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So it does 60 sessions each 90 minutes in 90 days.
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So yeah, this is the thing is it's, it's really inaccessible, which is sad because it's so
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300% increase in formation of new blood vessels, telomerate activity of a 12 year old associated
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with biological age, uh, 250 to 200 and 290% increase in short chain fatty acids.
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But you'd have to do this and then keep it up for every year.
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So actually, so people don't really know we're experimenting, but right now I'm doing
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And then I'll do like a 20 session burst once per quarter.
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And so I'll do this around, for example, like a, a certain treatments like Thursday, I had
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It's like we, as you age, you, you lose collagen.
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And so your skin like gets saggy and less plump.
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And so I did a bunch of injectables to rebuild my collagen.
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And so that's why I'm bruised and stuff like that.
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Um, but then you pair that with a hyperbaric oxygen therapy and like boost the therapy.
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So say if I'm gonna go get an NAD injection or an IV every week and it's going to take
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two hours anyway while I sit in there, I might as well sit in the hyperbaric while I do it.
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Or do you think if I only go 50 times in a year, is it even worth it?
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I mean, you, like, um, there are, you can do like, uh, one session is good for you.
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There's like protocols that on healing, like diabetics will do like 10 to 20 sessions to
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So you can do fewer sessions and still do it, but you want to have it.
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So do them in a close proximity, but no more than five per week.
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I saw you do the mushroom therapy and that's one of the things that kind of brought me
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like, made me think like, okay, this guy, it's not like, you know, this guy's really,
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he's still out there experimenting and wanting to learn more.
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Um, what was that therapy like for you and was it, were you surprised by it?
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And was it psilocybin, I guess the, and the effects?
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That, this is one of the coolest discoveries we've made is, um, psilocybin like sits in
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the world of psychedelics, but it's never been bridged over to longevity.
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That's a different way of thinking about psilocybin and talking about it.
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And so we said, can we do an experiment to see, is our magic mushrooms a longevity therapy?
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So same thing, we measure 250 biomarkers and the data was insane, uh, surprisingly.
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So like, um, we found this new thing where there were studies in mice that showed that
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In me, my blood glucose went from, uh, 98.2 percentile in the population, good to 99.8 percentile,
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Like it almost hit like a metabolic reset in the brain, um, resetting your blood glucose
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It, um, took my inflammation levels down to undetectable.
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Um, it reduced inflammation and below detectable, uh, calmed my body and mind, lower cortisol,
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inhibited HPA access in the days following the dose.
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Made neuroplasticity in the brain, like takes your brain to a more youthful state.
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So you guys did a lot of like treatment while you were under this.
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And did you then, uh, put this into your protocol after that?
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Nobody knows the ideal protocol, but right now it's like once every 30 days seems to be
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So it's like four and a half grams of dried mushroom powder, which then was the 25 milligrams
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It's like, it's just below a, uh, ego dissolution.
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So you have to be like NSA, you got to chill out somewhere.
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Um, and what about, uh, but you, but you, but that was so helpful that you now it's part
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And we're doing our next, uh, psychedelic live stream in three weeks.
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So at the end of, uh, when I was coming down, he showed up with my dad.
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Oh, we had such a good family bonding moment, you know, cause like you're in that state
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and I was just giddy and euphoric and I was able to express things to my dad.
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So we did this, we see the temperature, um, when you take psilocybin, your body changes
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Um, but yeah, so we're looking at our next psychedelic cause there's like a few things
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like, um, we did psilocybin, but other contenders are, um, ayahuasca, five MEO.
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So we're doing one live streaming in three weeks.
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Ayahuasca has been one that you should, it's I've done it before.
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So last, the last time we did this, we had people who came on to work.
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Cause I was, uh, tripping and we had a bunch of people who were commentators who were like,
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Like, you know, you should come on and be a commentator.
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That'd be so wild to commentate somebody who's going through an ayahuasca experience.
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And it's just like, you know, it's like it'd be fun.
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Actually, it'd be fun to get a few comedians, uh, come in and like, you know, give, give,
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And are there any psychedelics that you would say are definitively bad for your brain?
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Is there any like therapy that you went and tried and you were like, oh, this is definitely
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Or like, was there ever a place where you got scared?
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Like you went to like, um, you know, Romania or someplace, you know, I'm just hypostasizing.
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But yeah, I mean, like if you pull up that image of my face that blew up, you had it
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So I got really skinny in the early days of this project, really, really skinny.
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And so when you lose volume in your face, it's very hard to get back volume.
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So most people just do filler, but I didn't want to do filler.
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And so we did this Renuva, which is this, uh, fat.
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So I injected it into my face and I had a severe reaction.
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I, I, I saw this earlier and I was thinking like, who is this lady that they're bringing
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I thought this was like a native American woman.
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I totally thought this was a native American woman.
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Like on the, on the far right there, that was me.
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Like, um, like 45 minutes after the injection, I was like, oh shit, this is not a good situation.
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Um, spending all this time working on yourself, right?
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Because it's such a self, you know, in the end there's a, there is some ego because it's
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you, you're the, you're your own experiment, you know?
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Um, and then what are some of the side, like, what does it cost you?
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Like, what have been some of the things like, have there been relationships you haven't been
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Like, has it been tough to like, um, spend time with family?
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Like, what are some things, what are the side effects of being like, you know, one of the
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I mean, that's, that's like one of the primary criticisms I get is people say, uh, you know,
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bro, so busy trying to not die, forgot how to live.
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I definitely understand the perspective and I, I view myself as a modern day explorer,
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you know, like somebody who is out there on the frontier trying to discover something
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new and like, man, I fucking love this so much.
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Like it, when I wake up in the morning, it's the first thing I think about all day long.
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And so I think people just don't understand that it's a game I'm in love with.
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Like, are my friends going out and doing things sometimes that I'm doing?
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And so like, in some ways, like I'm, I'm a new kind of athlete.
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People just don't understand I'm a new archetype.
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So there's like, just like a disconnect between that.
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And there's just a lot of confusion around it, you know?
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I think you just don't know, especially at a time when there's like these tech lords
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who it seems like they want to like siphon everybody's androchronom or whatever.
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Have you had anybody hit you up about getting some adrenochrome or whatever?
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And like, it's just like, what, you know, what gives you a feeling of power?
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Any world leader just hits you up straight up, call you right up.
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I mean, there was like this moment where Xi Jinping and Putin, they had this hot mic issue
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a couple, like, months ago where they're both like, yeah, like, you know, it looks
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like we should be able to live to 150 years old.
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And if you're in that circle, as I've watched this, like, it's funny in the world of status
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And like, now like having a big bank account, sure, it's cool, whatever, but like, it doesn't
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So it really is like this big zeitgeist change on what it means to be powerful in society
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So I love seeing it, like the more that happens, the better off.
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Are there other yous out there that you start to run across from different realms or different
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So yeah, I really tried to encourage everybody.
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People will call me and they'll be like, I'm going to beat you at your markers.
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Like I will, you have to make the same, make the same mistakes I have.
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So, um, we're just, when you think about it, we are, the whole situation is so fucked
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And like the fact that we're conscious is so cool.
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Like, why wouldn't we do absolutely everything in our power to keep this game going?
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And so, yeah, it's like celebrate everybody who's trying to embrace life.
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And like, honestly, get fucking rid of everybody who's trying to kill us.
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Have you had to separate some relationships because your journey went in this direction
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My, my friends are more like me than I ever would have guessed now.
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Um, so I'd say my friend group, we now do things together.
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Like there's, there's some things like, for example, um, Grimes did a, she did a DJ set.
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Um, and then I went out, did her set with her with them, went back to bed.
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So like, I, I've been trying to like be balanced of like be rigid.
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Also the rest of the world parties at one o'clock in the morning.
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So like, I have tried my best to go after this goal of don't die, but also like try to
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find some compromise and doing things that are currently normal in today's society.
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Do you feel addicted to wanting to, to, to not die?
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Like the same way, like, uh, are, are people addicted to making money?
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Like, like the human conditions kind of addiction.
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And so like, am I, yeah, I'm, I'm lost in this.
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I, I don't think I've ever felt as satisfied and fulfilled as I do now.
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Um, I just, you know, like I, I went through like 10 years of chronic depression, like legit
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wanted to kill myself and I would have done it had it not been for my kids.
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Like when you're just like, you're so buried deep and it's like, I don't know how many
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One, I just had my first baby and he was colicky.
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It was like six months of total sleep deprivation.
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And so it's just like no sleep and startup and no money.
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And then once it got me, uh, like it's very hard to wrestle your way out of it when my
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And so then I just got deeper and deeper and then like, it just kind of cascaded into
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So, um, I'm, I'm so grateful I didn't commit suicide.
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You know, so how much does the, uh, you take care of yourself so much physically.
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How much, uh, how much are you able to, um, attach your mental to that as well?
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Or what do you notice about the physical mental relationship?
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That if when people, so right now, if somebody is suffering from anxiety or depression or
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something else, the first move mostly is to take a pill, right?
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And so the first move is really to fix your sleep.
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And the way to fix your sleep is to lower your heart rate, lower the heart rate.
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You have your last meal of the day, like, like do all these different steps.
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Now that's not going to fix everybody's issues, but having good sleep in place is the most
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powerful thing anybody can do in their life on any condition.
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And then once you have that in place, like if you need to look at other options, cool.
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But most of the time people don't look at the very basic things.
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So I have found that when my body is operating well, my mind operates well.
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It's a very symbiotic relationship that you literally are what you consume, you know,
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And so I don't talk about mental health as directly.
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I talk about get the basics right and you see the boost in your mental health.
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Like if I talk to entrepreneurs, I'll say in the room, like over half of you are in a
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current mental health crisis and the room always goes dead quiet.
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Like they had a happy face on, they're like smiling, like, yeah, I've got this going on,
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but inside they're dying and you know, you can feel it.
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And so when I say that and I puncture it and it's like, that's true.
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Like you guys, like, it's not good to build a company when you're suicidal, right?
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And like, so that's really, I mean, I wish somebody would have been in my life to tell
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Like you have big plans for life, but like, let me just kind of help you.
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Having somebody mitigate, having somebody help you set some parameters.
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It's like, you know, I remember grinding so hard for a few years and I had like a mental
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breakdown kind of like, this is about four or five years ago.
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I almost literally felt something snap in my brain.
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I had some shows that were in, they were up in California.
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I said, if I have to walk out there, I, I, I physically cannot do it anymore.
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And the whole time before that, I thought that I just wasn't trying hard enough.
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You know, I, I, I would mirror your experience.
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No, I was in the parking lot in Orem, Utah with my brother in a red Saturn.
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And I said, he was my business partner at the time.
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And I said, Jason, um, I was talking to him about like, I'm feeling depressed.
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And in that conversation, something like snapped, like I almost like physically heard a snap.
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And I'm like, something just broke in my brain.
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Like, like, like he wasn't, uh, I don't think he understood the, if you haven't been depressed, you don't know.
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But like, I will never, ever forget that moment.
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Um, and that was a, put me on a 10 year long hole.
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And so like, you know, I'm so empathetic to people.
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Like, I think it's, it is so much more common than, than we talk, than like people talk about.
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I do think that, like you said earlier, that when you said a lot, like you were in a, in that meeting and you said a lot of people here are, uh, are struggling or barely holding on.
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I do think that that, that kind of thing is the truth that like, we're all just in this space where we're pretty close to exactly.
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That's a much better way of saying it, but like, but then we're so used to surviving at that space too.
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You start to think that that's supposed to be the norm and it's not.
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So it's, it's a tough, it's a, and then like the world is so brutal on you.
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And the truth is probably just say, what is going on?
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Um, well, last question with AI, you know, AI and things are happening.
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Do you think that that will have a large effect on, um, on, on don't die on how we can live
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on the possibility to live forever or to have a longer life expectancy?
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And do you use AI with your own data to help, um, create any, uh, sort of real information?
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This, well, what a lot of people don't know is this entire project I'm doing is about
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So I did this, um, when I was 21 years old, I had this ambition that I wanted to do something
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Like that was my, I don't know why, but I just like, I really cared about being useful to
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And so I said, okay, I'm going to become an entrepreneur.
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Then by age 30 with money, I'm going to do something epic in the world.
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I, by 34 years old, I, I sold my company for $800 million, but at 34, I was burnt to
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And so, but then I had basically this quite open question, like now I have money, what
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And so when you have basically unlimited optionality in the world.
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And I did one thought experiment, which really helped, uh, bring clarity is, um, I imagined
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trans, I imagine, imagine traveling in time to the year 2,500.
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And there you are sitting among those that exist, like are they human or the AI?
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We don't know, but they, there they are talking and they're reflecting on the early 21st century,
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And they're saying, we appreciate homo sapiens that lived in the early 21st century because
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they did blank that allowed intelligence to still exist in the universe.
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One is they say, that's when homo sapiens gave birth to super intelligence.
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The second thing they say is they say, the second thing that they'd figured out is that
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they wouldn't die, that they transformed society from a culture of die of like, I will, um, pillage
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Or I will yolo my way to death to exchange for this to existence itself is the highest value.
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There's nothing more valuable than existence and we will do anything to fight for our existence.
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And so the principles we talked about today of like care, like our society, uh, would be better off if we really cared for each other.
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If you really could trust each other, like genuinely trust.
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And so what I'm trying to do technically is when you, uh, it's like pretty technical, um, entropy is the final boss of the universe.
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So eventually like a warm cup of coffee goes cold, suns burn out, bodies die.
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And so the number one enemy of the universe is decay and disorder and life is a rebellion against disorder.
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And so what I'm trying to build, like my whole goal is to say as a species, our number one goal is to build a new antientropic system, like a new life system that makes fighting for life.
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And you can measure entropy or death in all things.
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You can measure it in a biological system, but you can basically build it computationally.
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So that's like a whole bunch of stuff, but the goal is you can measure death.
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It's like, it's a new ideology that I want it to become the fastest growing ideology in human history, that it helps you understand existence and it's competitive with any major ideology.
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So there's like, I need like honest, like 60 minutes to explain it.
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Cause I know it's like, I just jammed it up, but it's basically a new way to exist that like reframes our reality.
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Well, I do understand what you're saying in the sense that a lot of history, people have lived as if we die.
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You can live extensively somewhere else, but then to have this concept and to really live as if don't die.
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But I do understand that, that once you reframe it, it's like, oh, wow.
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And like, the thing cool is don't die is that you can be Christian and don't die.
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You can be anything and don't die because don't die just says nobody wants to die right now.
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It says nothing about five years from now or 20 years from now.
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The single thing that every human agrees to in this moment, one thing, nobody wants to die right now.
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And so if you build artificial superintelligence, you're like, what do you do with it?
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Like, what I'm saying is the obvious answer we say to AI, we want to exist.
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So you're trying to basically just get a peace accord with all humans and all AI and say, can we just strike a deal where we have the right to exist?
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It's like the United States said, like, you know, life living in the pursuit of happiness.
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The new constitution for our new species is the right to exist.
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Because we've almost grandfathered ourselves into this that we don't, that we can't.
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It's like, if you don't state that as the objective, then you point it at profit.
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And if you point it at profit, you inevitably like have the temptation of saying, I'm going to take your life for my profit.
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I'm going to give you food that poisons you, but makes me money.
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Yeah, it feels like we're definitely part of a, you go, all right, I'll give you this.
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Can you imagine now a stand-up act that would just rip me?
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Yeah, well, I think, I mean, I think I could think of a couple of things.
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I could think, one, you being on a great roast over there.
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So it's like this thing, you're just part of the universe, you know?
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And then I could think of a, yeah, of a great, if like, if there was like a dope roast and
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you're one of the people on it, people would have the best jokes.
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So I appreciate you having a sense of humor about it.
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I did see you had a photo of like the fourth, like a fourth meal or something that you had
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I said, decided to live a little because like, you know, like it's funny because people are
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But then what they're saying is, I want you to die to show me you're alive.
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If we look at it, especially diet, dietitian, dietetically or whatever, we're saying, yeah,
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But yeah, like, you know, the funny thing is the cheat day thing, man.
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If you got to the point where you don't want to do it, that's huge.
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It's never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever worth it.
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Like, I don't know of a situation where I did something and I'm like, yeah, you know what?
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Now, like when I did, when I stayed, when I went to bed early, went to the rave in the
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But like, you know, fast food meal, like, so my team right now is where they're, they're
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trying to convince me to get drunk on a live stream as an experiment.
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So like, if I were, I would do an experiment like that, but otherwise like just to have
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Has any of the, uh, has it challenged which you, where, where your faith lies?
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I mean, cause you grew up in a Mormon community.
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And has it challenged, um, which I think is a great community, by the way.
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Um, has any of your practices, uh, challenged any of your beliefs or your relationship with
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I mean, I, I joke with my, uh, my Mormon friends.
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Like, uh, you know, cause, um, like sugar is the currency in a Mormon.
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It's like, you can't do, there's not premarital sex.
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Like there's a whole bunch of dude, you can't drink coffee.
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So when you have like a whole bunch of nose, like it's gotta go somewhere.
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So I, I didn't mess around with them, but like, the thing is like the, the, for me,
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the hole in the world is that we're in this wacky situation where we're conscious in,
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And so then like, given the bizarreness, there's all these ways of people being like, let me
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I'm quite more of the opinion of like, how do we know?
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And so like, but then if you say like, who says they don't know, it's a very, very,
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very small number of people who say they're like atheists and they don't know, but that's
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So like, what's missing in the world is an ideology that's like, we don't really know.
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Like what, cause when you're in a religion, um, like you've got gusto to serve God and to
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like, you know, obey the commandments and like, but like, where does an ideology that
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That's what I, what I found is like, you, you can intellectually be like legit.
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Like no matter what you said, you're off to death.
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With AI, this is the first time ever where a human can be like, you know what?
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Like I'm going to put my chest out and like, I feel, I feel confident I can do something.
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Just because the, the, the ability that the average person can have now?
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Yeah, like, I mean, you look at AI, um, I mean, like you basically are giving birth to God, right?
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Like we, when we talk about God, we say like God's omnipotent, right?
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Like we basically assign these powers of like anything.
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And on some kind of timescale, AI is kind of that.
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Like when it's that and how it's that, like TBD, but it's like generally that.
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And so when you actually have like the potential of building like billions of gods or God-like
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powers of like we've imagined, like, why wouldn't you immediately level up your, your ambition
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Right, because you're taking some of the more practical possibilities of God and making
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You're still not able to replicate like a relationship that is like spiritual in nature
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I mean, it's just a biochemical reaction, right?
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You think somebody just messaging with like a fictional thing is going to make them feel
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the same way as if they feel like there's some connection to a, to an actual like molecular
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I think that basically, um, you think it's the same.
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Basically when, so you are 70 trillion sales, when Theo von experiences love or, um, God or
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like take whatever you think, that is a biochemical pattern.
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And you can produce it with prayer, with psychedelics, with meditation, with sex, right?
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Like there's so many ways to replicate these experiences.
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So like if AI is able to develop drugs and or experiences and, or if we have implants
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and, or like you can, you can basically just map it back.
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It's, it's very hard to identify an emergent experience we have right now and not be able
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to pull back the curtain and say, here's what happened biochemically.
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Now, like I'm open to other ways to explain the world that you can't find a biochemical
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But like in my experience, everything I am, I can just see the data.
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And so it, yeah, will humans be able to experience transcendence and, you know, unconditional love
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and, uh, extreme fulfillment of purpose and like locked in engagement?
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And so I actually, I'm, I'm very friendly towards religions.
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Like no matter who you are, no matter what you believe in, great, right?
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Like don't die is something we can all agree to.
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And so like I, if someone says they believe in an afterlife, super, like you can still have
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This is just saying like right now we want to cooperate because we love the game of life.
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If that means you want to procrastinate your afterlife for another a hundred years, it's still
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Like I'm not a carnivore or vegan or paleo or whatever.
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I'm not for the, like, I'm just like, we're all good.
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We just want to agree that existence is awesome.
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So that's like, we're just trying to call peace of all intelligence.
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Because I wonder sometimes if like when, when, when kids interact with AI and stuff like
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that, dude, they feel like it's like the same as if I, I feel if I'm interacting with a
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Because yeah, I just don't know if you could ever get that, you know, that kind of hug
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feeling of like, of your God, whoever your God is or something.
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I wonder if you could ever get that hug feeling if like something that was, yeah, like man-made
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or synthetic kind of hypothetically synthetic with whatever be the same.
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But I mean, I think it's all interesting conversation and, um, and look, man, you're out there on the
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You're, you're like the only one in your, in this war.
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Like you're like your own Vietnam dude out there, you know?
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Um, tell Tal, Tal, Tal, Tal, Tal Tal, we said, what's up?
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I think it's not just, uh, it's not just about, um, milligrams and this, but it's kind
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of like a life idea and it's a change of perspective.