This Past Weekend with Theo Von - #644 - Bryan Johnson

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00:00:23.320 Today's guest is a longevity expert.

00:00:26.540 He's a health advocate.

00:00:27.840 He's basically his own guinea pig.

00:00:31.020 You know, he's kind of the doctor and Frankenstein in a way.

00:00:34.760 He's an entrepreneur.

00:00:35.940 He's been experimenting on himself, trying to beat the final chapter, the coffin.

00:00:42.160 Yep, he wants to live forever and we're going to learn about it.

00:00:45.100 I'm grateful to have a conversation today, which we got to do quickly because I think he's got to be in bed at like 4 p.m.

00:00:51.480 I'm very happy that he's here.

00:00:52.960 Today's guest is Mr. Brian Johnson.

00:00:57.840 Yeah, this lemon water, dude.

00:01:15.060 I drink this a lot.

00:01:16.060 I hear that it's good for inflammation and I do a lot of fasting and so that's been something that on a fast I will have this.

00:01:24.900 Yeah.

00:01:25.200 A certain amount.

00:01:26.100 I like the chunks of ginger, man.

00:01:27.300 That's solid.

00:01:29.140 Oh, yeah.

00:01:29.820 Do you chew on those?

00:01:31.080 No.

00:01:31.620 Yeah, have you done that?

00:01:32.440 Nuh-uh.

00:01:32.920 It's good.

00:01:33.620 I mean, it's...

00:01:34.440 Is that a thing, chewing on ginger chunks?

00:01:35.960 Yeah.

00:01:36.780 Wow.

00:01:37.680 Never even thought of that.

00:01:38.780 Do you know exactly what it does?

00:01:40.120 You just feel the vibes of it.

00:01:41.460 Yeah, it's a very strong vibe, so...

00:01:43.140 Yeah.

00:01:43.420 Yeah, it's a nice reward at the end.

00:01:45.120 Like, lemon gives you a punch in the face.

00:01:46.460 Ginger does something similar.

00:01:47.720 Hmm.

00:01:48.440 Yeah, maybe I'll throw one in the old...

00:01:50.080 You feel better after doing it, though?

00:01:51.180 I just feel like I'm on...

00:01:53.040 I have a plan and then I'm sticking to it.

00:01:55.360 Isn't that so much of life is like that?

00:01:57.220 I feel like, it kind of doesn't matter if it works, but it's like a thing.

00:02:00.380 It's structured, planned, kind of the thing.

00:02:03.000 Yeah, well, it starts to give me a little bit of integrity with myself, you know, and

00:02:05.940 it becomes kind of a pattern.

00:02:08.060 That's been one of the toughest things, I think, for me, and I would guess probably for

00:02:11.200 most people, is just starting a pattern sometimes, you know?

00:02:14.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:15.060 I feel like that's kind of been one of the things.

00:02:16.900 Then it keeps you from the negative patterns.

00:02:19.060 Yeah.

00:02:19.520 Well, it's like, well, if I know if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing,

00:02:23.800 then sometimes it's like if there's something negative the night before, I'm like, I can't

00:02:27.820 do it.

00:02:28.240 I already have a commitment, you know?

00:02:29.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:30.380 But it has been tough.

00:02:32.660 I go in spurts where sometimes it's better than others, but honoring, like, commitments

00:02:36.900 to myself, having that, you know, and just building that integrity that I know I'm going

00:02:41.360 to be here for myself every day.

00:02:43.060 Yeah.

00:02:43.440 That's been a challenge for me.

00:02:44.700 It's gotten better over time, but it's been a tough, that's been probably, yeah, one of

00:02:49.780 my tougher things.

00:02:50.840 I would imagine it might be for most, for a lot of folks.

00:02:53.080 Yeah.

00:02:53.320 Like, the disconnect between, like, what you want to do and then what you actually do.

00:02:57.320 Yeah.

00:02:57.560 Which is, like, the human condition.

00:02:59.660 It's, like, what our existence is defined by.

00:03:01.900 And, like, how big is that divide probably determines if you're happy or not in life.

00:03:05.840 Hmm.

00:03:07.120 Yeah.

00:03:07.580 I think you're right.

00:03:08.340 I mean, that's one of the things that I think about the most is how far away am I from what

00:03:12.600 I would like to be doing, what my behaviors would like to be.

00:03:15.640 Yeah.

00:03:15.800 Where are you at now in life?

00:03:16.840 Like, I mean, you've gone through various stages.

00:03:19.440 How would you assess now?

00:03:22.780 I think, like, with work, work and things like that have been good.

00:03:26.060 You know, that stuff has been good.

00:03:27.480 I think, you know, on the wellness side of, like, probably emotional wellness, you know,

00:03:35.720 I've suffered with, like, or I've dealt with, like, a lot of, like, connectivity disorders,

00:03:41.800 like, relationship stuff, commitment, you know, like, probably wishing I was making better

00:03:49.500 choices with my, like, dating and social life at times.

00:03:54.060 And, you know, sometimes if someone will show interest, I'll kind of, I'll have to see what's

00:04:00.920 there.

00:04:01.580 Whereas sometimes if I know it's not even a good fit, you know, so that's probably been

00:04:06.540 one of the tougher things.

00:04:08.040 It's probably been my emotional, addictive behavior.

00:04:11.340 Yeah.

00:04:11.800 Yeah, I'm, I guess I'm newly in a partnership, the best relationship of my life.

00:04:19.220 Really?

00:04:19.540 We've been together for a couple years now.

00:04:21.420 And, man, it is like, I mean, it is the single thing in life that makes me more happy than

00:04:27.640 anything.

00:04:28.400 Hmm.

00:04:29.060 You know, like, relationships are so tough.

00:04:31.320 And especially when they tip to acrimony.

00:04:34.380 What does acrimony mean?

00:04:35.620 Just like when it's, when it's a negative state, you know, when there's like bickering and like

00:04:41.840 finding fault and trying to correct and the inability to resolve conflict, when there's

00:04:48.160 a negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this low level where it's always unsettled,

00:04:53.180 there's just nothing worse.

00:04:54.980 And I mean, that's true in business relationships.

00:04:57.280 It's true in personal relationships, friendships, all kinds.

00:05:00.260 And like what I have now is just so good.

00:05:03.600 Let's go.

00:05:04.040 Yeah.

00:05:04.260 Yeah.

00:05:04.460 So I feel you.

00:05:05.820 And without it, it, I mean, it's tough to be alone.

00:05:10.080 You know, it's tough to be like trying to date, build relationships and not work out and go to

00:05:15.460 the next one.

00:05:15.960 And it's tiring to like repeat that again and again.

00:05:18.940 Yeah.

00:05:19.740 Yeah.

00:05:20.100 I think that is, that's, that's definitely true.

00:05:22.200 And then it's like, you start to compartmentalize things.

00:05:24.500 Okay.

00:05:24.620 Well, I'll just go on a date here.

00:05:25.960 I'll just, you know, have this part of my, um, relationship or intimacy here.

00:05:31.440 And it's like, you know, and that's not, uh, that's not the healthiest way to operate

00:05:36.600 either.

00:05:37.340 Um, but congratulations.

00:05:38.960 Yeah.

00:05:39.120 They just showed your lady right there. 1.00

00:05:41.060 Yeah.

00:05:41.400 It's Kate Tolo.

00:05:42.320 Oh, beautiful lady, man.

00:05:44.640 Congratulations.

00:05:45.040 You guys are always smiling in that picture.

00:05:46.840 Oh man.

00:05:47.080 We, we have so much fun together.

00:05:49.760 I mean, we, it's like, I get teary just even talking about it.

00:05:53.420 We laugh and play.

00:05:55.560 It's just so good.

00:05:56.620 Yes.

00:05:56.780 She really does something for you.

00:05:57.960 She does, man.

00:05:58.880 Like, you know, like I was, um, I wrote this up online and I was thinking, I'm a big fan

00:06:03.160 of Ernest Shackleton and he was just a explorer.

00:06:06.620 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:07.260 So he did the, the trans, uh, Antarctic expedition.

00:06:10.340 He was trying to go pull, uh, you know, shore to shore for the first time.

00:06:14.000 And so from top to bottom, uh, just down to the, the South pole from like one side to

00:06:18.980 the other, the other side.

00:06:19.960 Okay.

00:06:20.360 Just at the South pole.

00:06:21.340 Yeah.

00:06:21.500 So they got in the, they got the ship all prepared.

00:06:23.600 They got all their materials, you know, like enough food and materials for the entire

00:06:27.680 duration.

00:06:28.080 And they get stuck in the ice before they even get there early winter.

00:06:32.200 And then the entire book is about this insane survival story, like what they went through

00:06:39.360 and not a single man in his crew died.

00:06:42.380 But when you read what he went through, it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure

00:06:46.480 these kinds of things.

00:06:47.260 And I know this is like, it's a too, too dramatic of a comparison, but there was some similarities.

00:06:52.060 I was thinking before, like, what does it feel like to not have deep companionship in

00:06:57.340 my life where I've had relationships and they weren't good, right?

00:07:00.500 They ended up being bad.

00:07:02.120 And then having something that is good.

00:07:03.720 It felt like I'm sure what Shackleton and his crew felt like putting their feet on land

00:07:08.380 after being adrift in the ocean for, you know, I don't know what the total duration of time

00:07:12.860 is, maybe a year, but just like stable, sturdy, solid, you know, instead of like, what's

00:07:19.720 happening today?

00:07:20.500 What do I have to deal with?

00:07:21.520 Is my life at risk?

00:07:22.600 Like just all the emotional whiplash you get and like challenges.

00:07:26.500 And when you're by yourself, it's also harder to self-regulate.

00:07:29.340 It's harder to calm yourself down.

00:07:30.740 It's nice when someone else is there to kind of be like a...

00:07:33.740 Oh, get a hug.

00:07:34.620 Yeah.

00:07:35.280 A hundred percent.

00:07:36.420 Oh.

00:07:37.480 That's so true.

00:07:38.180 I got a hug the other day.

00:07:38.920 I was, I saw my friend in, um, in LA and I got a hug and she just kind of gave me like

00:07:44.140 a, she gave me a nice hug.

00:07:45.500 And then I was like, I'm going to stay in this hug.

00:07:47.440 Let me get another.

00:07:47.940 You could just, yep.

00:07:49.220 Like burrow in there.

00:07:49.760 Burrow in there.

00:07:50.040 My phone.

00:07:50.600 Yeah.

00:07:50.820 Yeah.

00:07:51.040 Oh.

00:07:51.740 Yeah.

00:07:52.000 Yeah.

00:07:52.320 So like, was she like a 10 out of 10 hugger?

00:07:54.640 She, you know what? 0.95

00:07:55.680 She surprised me because, but yeah, she got, she got a good hug on her.

00:07:59.600 That's for sure.

00:08:00.640 Yeah.

00:08:00.780 Some people are just like gifted huggers.

00:08:03.180 They, right.

00:08:03.740 They just know how to like bring it in and like somehow the arms and the chest and like the

00:08:07.280 whole thing just fits like a puzzle piece.

00:08:09.440 Yeah.

00:08:09.620 Like even like a lot of times, yeah, we talked about before, like a grandmother will hug you

00:08:13.400 so well.

00:08:13.940 Yeah.

00:08:15.000 Sometimes.

00:08:15.480 Yeah.

00:08:15.980 I've like, I've always kind of, I guess, been that I'll do the one arm hug.

00:08:18.880 I hug a lot though.

00:08:20.200 I hug a lot.

00:08:20.960 I think sometimes it catches people off guard.

00:08:22.760 People like, what's going on, man?

00:08:24.420 Yeah.

00:08:24.980 I don't know if you're supposed to hug this person.

00:08:27.120 Um, but open up a hug bank. 0.99

00:08:30.060 You know what they should do?

00:08:30.860 Yeah.

00:08:31.100 Those places where they had pay phones before they should have somebody stand there, put

00:08:35.560 a quarter in their pocket and they got a hug, you know, it's like one of the most underappreciated

00:08:39.260 things.

00:08:39.920 Yes.

00:08:40.660 Relaunch the hug.

00:08:41.580 I think they got, well, I think we're ready for it.

00:08:44.400 Um, Brian Johnson, thanks for coming in, man.

00:08:47.020 Yeah, man.

00:08:47.400 Thanks to meet you, bro.

00:08:48.460 It's good to see you.

00:08:49.340 It's a pleasure, dude.

00:08:50.100 I think you're different than maybe what I seem like you.

00:08:52.520 I thought you would seem a little bit more like a robot.

00:08:55.620 You know, I get that so much.

00:08:58.920 I mean, I've had several people think, you know, approach me like, are you AI?

00:09:03.720 You know, like, like really believing that's the case.

00:09:06.020 So I think I am robotic.

00:09:07.820 I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in some areas.

00:09:11.980 So I think people are just confused by me generally.

00:09:14.220 So I understand that.

00:09:15.540 Like, yeah, that was my thought.

00:09:16.560 But it, you seemed way more normal than that. 0.98

00:09:18.860 Like, just like a regular dude who's been like, um, you know, doing wild shit with his 0.98

00:09:25.000 blood, you know, like, uh, you know, you seem just more like a, like a chill ass kind 0.99

00:09:28.700 of Dracula type of vibe, you know?

00:09:31.060 What was your, what did you expect?

00:09:32.740 I think I expected somebody that seemed to be honest to have like more of a sense of,

00:09:38.220 and this is just a wild generalization.

00:09:40.580 And this is probably not the best word, but more of like an autism to them.

00:09:43.360 Yeah.

00:09:43.880 And I don't, yeah, I didn't get that at all.

00:09:45.720 I just got like a warm guy, um, who seems like a lot more engaging than other people I've

00:09:51.480 met who I've thought similar things about.

00:09:53.200 Yeah.

00:09:53.320 Yeah.

00:09:53.560 Yeah.

00:09:53.740 It's just, it's just hiding.

00:09:55.000 It will manifest in a few minutes.

00:09:56.720 Yeah.

00:09:57.760 That's what I was going to say there.

00:09:59.060 But it starts to bubble up.

00:10:00.360 Yeah.

00:10:00.580 That's right.

00:10:00.920 When your keeper, whoever's operating you on an, on the app.

00:10:03.760 That's right.

00:10:04.400 Yeah.

00:10:04.800 Yeah.

00:10:05.260 Turns up.

00:10:05.800 Yeah.

00:10:05.940 And the mask slowly starts slipping.

00:10:07.780 And it's like, oh yeah.

00:10:09.640 Like your database is showing dude or something.

00:10:11.860 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:12.620 Um, so just so our viewers know, and so many people know about you now, man, there's so many

00:10:16.360 clips you out there.

00:10:17.120 You've kind of, um, you're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet in a way kind

00:10:22.520 of, cause it's like, you know, you're kind of using your

00:10:24.980 yourself as an experiment.

00:10:25.920 That's what it seems.

00:10:26.700 You know, you're life maxing.

00:10:28.300 That's what people say.

00:10:29.480 Um, can you just explain to us kind of what your general sort of goal is, um, or what your

00:10:36.060 motive has been?

00:10:37.180 Yeah.

00:10:37.580 So I'd say, um, here's an example for you in, in, um, 1870, the big talk of the town

00:10:44.760 was, there was this divide over this guy who had ideas that the reason why he is.

00:10:50.260 Yeah.

00:10:50.600 Okay.

00:10:50.800 Um, the reason why people were getting sick and dying is because of these microscopic

00:10:53.880 objects called bacteria. 1.00

00:10:56.020 And half the town was like, that's stupid as fuck. 1.00

00:10:58.600 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:10:59.700 The other half was like, honestly, that could be legit.

00:11:01.900 Now, like they didn't have the ability to see these microscopic objects, but it turned

00:11:05.540 out it's true.

00:11:07.120 These microscopic objects are called bacteria, right?

00:11:09.660 They can cause infection.

00:11:10.740 So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery or, uh, when you're maintaining hygiene

00:11:15.300 practices, you get infection and risk, increase your risk of dying.

00:11:18.660 And so that's the kind of example where a new idea showed up.

00:11:23.320 It was seen as crazy.

00:11:26.020 And, uh, eventually it turned out to be true.

00:11:28.500 And now today we're like, oh, of course, like that happens every, every year, every year.

00:11:32.020 Yeah, exactly.

00:11:32.420 And so the idea I'm basically suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point of

00:11:39.020 humans on the planet where we may not die.

00:11:42.760 Now that sounds batshit crazy.

00:11:45.520 Whereas in we can live forever.

00:11:46.700 Not even forever, right?

00:11:48.460 Cause it's kind of a concept we understand.

00:11:50.080 It's just that we might be able to extend our lifespans to horizons where we can't really

00:11:55.480 imagine.

00:11:56.220 For example, like 150, 200, 500, a thousand, like some number we don't even know that breaks

00:12:01.300 our brains.

00:12:02.060 So it's just not like a 70 year expectancy, right?

00:12:05.280 It's something much longer.

00:12:06.560 And it could be the case that as our lifespans are extended, they get longer and longer and

00:12:11.920 longer and longer.

00:12:12.540 We can't quite see the end horizon.

00:12:14.060 So that's what I'm suggesting is we are at that point with technology.

00:12:19.600 We may be the first generations of humans who don't die.

00:12:23.940 Now, if that's the case, everything changes.

00:12:27.120 And so that's what I've been trying to do is to say that if that is the case, how does

00:12:31.500 a human behave?

00:12:33.180 What do they do?

00:12:34.340 And so that's the whole, that's why it's so controversial is because you take status quo

00:12:37.980 and it's like, if we're all going to die anyways, well, bro, you might as well, right?

00:12:42.300 Like do all the stuff people do today.

00:12:44.600 Right.

00:12:45.000 Drink PBR or whatever for it, you know, send it, you know, knock up some woman or man.

00:12:51.900 Now, I think you can even knock up.

00:12:53.320 You're like, what's happening.

00:12:54.460 Yeah.

00:12:54.660 Um, but I see what you're saying.

00:12:55.720 So like, if you, if you say, if you got to the finish line and they're like, Oh, you

00:12:58.700 can't cross the finish line anymore.

00:13:00.060 You're like, Oh, if I didn't know that I would have ran the race.

00:13:02.640 Exactly.

00:13:02.980 Right.

00:13:03.160 So differently.

00:13:03.960 Exactly.

00:13:04.360 Or back in 19, I would have taken my time along the race.

00:13:07.080 Instead.

00:13:07.480 Now I'm just standing there at the finish line, decrepit or like with, you know, just like

00:13:12.380 aftermarket pieces and stuff.

00:13:14.300 Yeah.

00:13:14.580 And, um, and I would have done it differently.

00:13:16.120 That's right.

00:13:16.420 So like right now, like you basically, if everybody dies, then you're playing a game of YOLO.

00:13:22.680 And so then your game of YOLO is like, okay, what am I willing to, well, I'm willing

00:13:27.020 to trade life for what?

00:13:28.920 And so for example, in the world I came from entrepreneurship, the playbook is you don't

00:13:33.140 sleep.

00:13:33.780 You don't take care of your health.

00:13:34.940 You run yourself ragged.

00:13:36.160 You try very hard to make a whole bunch of money.

00:13:37.940 But in doing that, you burn yourself to a crisp.

00:13:40.740 Yeah.

00:13:41.180 Right. 0.89

00:13:41.380 And then you end up and you're like fat.

00:13:44.020 You're like 40 years older than when you started.

00:13:45.920 Your family's falling apart.

00:13:47.380 You're a crisp or you don't have one. 0.98

00:13:48.960 But you're just burnt to a crisp.

00:13:50.140 That's what happened to me.

00:13:51.100 And so you basically say, I'm willing to trade life for this money because there's this

00:13:56.140 idea of if you have money, then you get blank.

00:13:58.060 And so you're making this explicit trade-off.

00:14:00.320 I'm willing to trade my conscious existence for money.

00:14:04.280 And I'm saying that trade no longer makes sense.

00:14:07.440 It no longer makes sense to die for something like that.

00:14:11.820 Now we all have like practical things.

00:14:13.260 We need to pay our bills and stuff like that.

00:14:14.900 But I'm trying to basically say we're a society that has built a society of die.

00:14:19.840 And I'm working on don't die as the new way of being human.

00:14:23.220 So that's like the gist of it.

00:14:24.120 But do you think it gets easier to say that once you have some money and once you have

00:14:28.380 like a, you know, you have a place where you're like, okay, you know, I know that I'm going

00:14:32.580 to be okay.

00:14:33.120 Like, do you think you would have been able to switch that mindset before having, because

00:14:37.520 then you had a company and you guys sold it for, you know, a great deal of money and

00:14:40.820 congratulations.

00:14:42.040 Thanks.

00:14:42.180 And yeah, and that's, um, that's the American dream, you know, but do you think you would

00:14:46.020 have been able to have that same mindset before?

00:14:49.080 Because that mindset before is like, yeah, grind, get this money, everything will be good.

00:14:52.760 And it kind of is nice in some ways because there's a goal there.

00:14:55.860 Um, yeah.

00:14:56.760 Do you think you could have had it before or is it easier to have now?

00:14:59.660 Yeah.

00:14:59.760 I mean, there's, there's two parts to this.

00:15:01.220 One is I'm saying that like fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's, they're evil.

00:15:09.860 They, they use science to make food that addicts you to their food, right?

00:15:16.280 They're building addiction for sure.

00:15:18.140 Um, social media algorithms, they're building addiction, right?

00:15:22.020 Um, vape, porn, alcohol, smoking, like basically as a society, we have a predator prey relationship

00:15:29.560 where companies prey upon individuals with the best science and technology possible and

00:15:34.580 extract from them life for profit.

00:15:36.680 And so first of all, the observation I'm saying is, Hey, companies stop being evil.

00:15:42.780 Like don't use your powers to make people addicted, to make them, you know, to take their life

00:15:47.840 from them.

00:15:48.720 And then two is, um, it's, I don't want to blame people because I know that's, I, that's,

00:15:53.500 it's easy for me to say this once I've been on the other side. 0.99

00:15:56.580 So one, I'm just trying to say like, Hey, this, this is fucked up. 0.94

00:15:59.300 Uh, uh, number two is I try to be a really positive role in people's lives to say like, if you're 0.96

00:16:04.620 more ambitious and you do want to make a whole bunch of money, for example, um, here's a

00:16:08.500 playbook, right?

00:16:09.200 Like the idea that you're better off working 18 hours a day and sleeping four is just scientifically

00:16:15.360 wrong.

00:16:16.320 Ah, I got it.

00:16:17.220 Right.

00:16:17.460 So like, if you're going to work really hard, make sure you get eight hours of sleep, make

00:16:21.800 sure you do a little bit of exercise, eat well, but you're not going to be doing yourself

00:16:25.560 a favor if you're eating trash, right?

00:16:27.960 Not sleeping well and not working out.

00:16:29.500 Like it makes your assistant, like for an engineer, it means like nobody wants to write 0.56

00:16:34.080 shitty code. 0.99

00:16:35.340 If you don't take care of yourself, you are shitty code. 0.99

00:16:38.180 It's like, don't be shitty code and try to build life. 0.92

00:16:41.020 And so those are the two things, but I want to be very clear that I'm not blaming people.

00:16:45.020 We just live in a, I don't think it sounds like that. 0.59

00:16:46.560 We live in a fucked up society and I'm trying to call attention to the fact that like, like 1.00

00:16:50.360 the system you're playing in is not a good one. 0.97

00:16:53.580 And it's heavily stacked against people, especially if there's a lot of things where it

00:16:57.320 is addiction-based, it's like, oh, well, they know, there's so much information now of

00:17:01.260 how to get you addicted down to the molecule, down to like the moment of what you're looking

00:17:05.700 at on your phone, that it really is a war.

00:17:09.480 It's a battle for your preservation.

00:17:12.240 It's like, it used to be that, you know, the man had to wake up and he was, he had to

00:17:16.240 know where the predator was, where the apex predators are.

00:17:18.720 And now the apex predators are, they're, you know, they're in our homes, they're in our

00:17:23.400 hands.

00:17:23.880 Um, and it, it really is.

00:17:26.040 It's, it's still a, uh, it's a battle and that is a battle.

00:17:30.100 It's like, if you want to take it on and then some days and moments and some people's lives

00:17:34.020 are like, uh, you know, I don't really want to take that battle on and that's kind of

00:17:37.160 okay too.

00:17:37.860 But I think knowing that the battle is there is pretty, at least makes it that all the

00:17:42.180 cards are on the table.

00:17:43.520 Um, yeah, I saw that you recently, you did a social media fast, right?

00:17:47.380 Yeah, I did.

00:17:48.080 Um, take me through some of that.

00:17:49.740 What was that like?

00:17:50.640 Like, yeah, so I, first I, I love social media.

00:17:55.120 I think it's so much fun.

00:17:56.680 Like we have great stuff on X.

00:17:57.800 It's like, you can't even scroll through X without finding something that's great from

00:18:00.100 Brian Johnson.

00:18:00.540 And a lot of it's really great information too.

00:18:03.440 Um, oh, here's the post, right?

00:18:04.380 I did a 40 hour and then a 70 hour social media fast.

00:18:06.860 I've come to believe that social media is pollution.

00:18:09.780 Yeah.

00:18:10.140 So first of all, you know, in watching your Netflix specials, like what I, what I love

00:18:16.040 about watching that is you can say anything, right? 1.00

00:18:20.080 Like the shit you talk about is so, is so unhinged. 0.99

00:18:24.320 Like literally there's like no, maybe you've got material where you're like, probably shouldn't 1.00

00:18:28.560 include that one, but like, I couldn't detect it.

00:18:30.780 Oh yeah. 0.99

00:18:31.380 I like just saying shit. 1.00

00:18:32.840 And so that's what you're supposed to be able to do. 0.99

00:18:34.580 Exactly.

00:18:34.960 And so like, what I love about that is the elbow room you have, right?

00:18:39.440 There's like, when you look at existence, you say like, my, my goal is to entertain you

00:18:42.980 and I have all this open space.

00:18:45.580 But then when people don't have that, when you, when you don't have comedy as the outlet

00:18:49.520 and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box.

00:18:54.060 They feel like they can only say certain things.

00:18:56.000 If they step outside that, they get punished by the tribe, right?

00:18:58.920 Like for whatever reason.

00:19:00.040 And so what I love about social media is it just has enabled me to create elbow room.

00:19:05.380 Like I posted nudes of myself, you know, like we did the blood, the plasma transfers.

00:19:10.900 Like we, we basically have done enough things.

00:19:13.240 I did, I did magic mushrooms on a live stream.

00:19:15.520 Yeah.

00:19:15.660 That's what really made me think, oh, I really want to talk to this guy now.

00:19:18.560 Cause he's going into other realms.

00:19:20.440 Yeah.

00:19:21.200 And before we get into some of that, what were some of the findings from the social media

00:19:24.640 fast or do you think it was long enough to notice anything?

00:19:27.000 It was honestly, um, it was kind of life-changing.

00:19:30.440 It was, I did one fast that was 40 hours long and then I did a second fast that was 70 hours

00:19:34.400 long.

00:19:35.120 And, uh, the science behind this is when you're engaged in social media, you basically have

00:19:42.080 dopamine dysregulation, right?

00:19:44.120 Like you're in this addiction state and you don't realize it, but it's actually creating

00:19:48.640 all kinds of harm.

00:19:49.440 And then you engage with social media to feel normal again.

00:19:52.020 Now, once you pull out of it and you have that break, you kind of get, you're out of the

00:19:56.500 spell.

00:19:57.260 You're not hypnotized anymore.

00:19:58.420 And then you get to feel it for what it is.

00:20:00.660 So now when I pull up the feed, it feels toxic.

00:20:04.720 Like it feels like I've had a fast food meal or like I've had, I'm in a secondhand room

00:20:09.520 of secondhand smoke or like, it just feels so bad.

00:20:13.440 And I guess that I, I, um, pay attention to these feelings because over the past five years,

00:20:18.820 I've been doing like hundreds of experiments to my body.

00:20:22.060 Like what things make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die.

00:20:26.560 So I have this intuition I've built.

00:20:28.640 And now when I go into social media, it literally feels like death.

00:20:32.040 And so it's complicated though, because I love social media.

00:20:35.140 I love to post.

00:20:36.540 I love to play.

00:20:37.540 I love to interact.

00:20:38.620 But also when I get on, it's like, I'm like, nah, this is not good.

00:20:41.660 So honestly, it's complicated.

00:20:44.100 I don't know what to do.

00:20:44.880 Well, yeah, there's a thing I noticed if I've taken mushrooms before and you'll look

00:20:50.220 at your phone, it's like, oh, get that away from me.

00:20:53.180 You feel it, right?

00:20:54.240 Yes.

00:20:54.520 It's like, oh, that's not real.

00:20:55.780 That's not, that's the most unnatural thing.

00:20:58.020 Like, what is that?

00:20:58.900 It all, yeah, it's, it feels like a kryptonite or if I've done ayahuasca or been on ayahuasca

00:21:03.600 and you're coming in and I see my phone or I'll get home and turn on the TV.

00:21:06.420 I'm like, oh, get that thing away from me.

00:21:08.700 That is something that's just resonating, like something dark.

00:21:12.240 Yeah, isn't that interesting?

00:21:13.580 Like in those moments when you feel sober, it's like you do, you can viscerally feel

00:21:18.100 it.

00:21:18.580 Yeah.

00:21:18.780 But then once you get in there and you kind of play around for a while, you don't, you

00:21:21.620 lose that sensitivity and you feel normal again.

00:21:24.520 But yeah, it's, I think, and so what's been resonating is I've been, so I posted this on

00:21:28.860 social, I said, because a lot of people think that social media is like a vice or like a,

00:21:34.280 you know, a bad habit, but I reframed it and said, actually, I think it's pollution.

00:21:39.040 It's like microplastics or lead in the pipes or asbestos in the wall or like, you know,

00:21:44.700 lead in the gasoline.

00:21:45.980 I think it really is like a societal pollution.

00:21:48.460 It accumulates in the body.

00:21:50.160 It creates low-grade inflammation.

00:21:52.540 And I've been sharing this, so many people are like, I feel this, but they, the problem

00:21:57.620 is you can't like telling someone to turn it off is like telling someone to not breathe

00:22:02.580 coal smoke in London in the 19th century.

00:22:05.460 Like you just, like you, you can't do it or like, you know, if there's, if there's,

00:22:09.360 if there's water pollution, like the solution for water pollution in London in the 19th

00:22:12.820 century was not to say, don't drink water.

00:22:14.260 It was like to filter the water.

00:22:16.060 So I think the solution here is like, I propose this, that if, if people could build AI to

00:22:21.960 basically create a layer of protection between me and the internet, that me and the social

00:22:26.920 feed, like extract out all the performative metrics, extract out all the garbage, all the

00:22:31.720 slop, and like give me the goodness.

00:22:33.400 But I want someone to like, it'd be cool if someone could build a social media into a

00:22:37.920 longevity therapy versus like, Hey, I actually have this cigarette.

00:22:41.400 Oh, I see what you were saying.

00:22:41.880 Like make it a long, slow fire that has like, um, all a mix of things.

00:22:47.660 Like help me when I engage with it.

00:22:50.000 I want to feel good.

00:22:50.900 I want to feel like I've drank like, you know, lemon water and ginger.

00:22:54.480 Right.

00:22:54.840 As opposed to like having a couple of Cokes.

00:22:56.580 Yeah.

00:22:56.860 Oh yeah.

00:22:57.160 Like slamming a bunch of energy drinks and.

00:22:59.140 Oh yeah.

00:23:00.100 Dude, my friend keeps a five hour energy drink in his sock.

00:23:02.600 You know, like this is the thing, but it's just like, right.

00:23:06.020 People pound like two to three to four a day, like between, you know, 400 and 800 milligrams

00:23:11.280 of caffeine.

00:23:12.360 And they like on top of modafinil or something, you know?

00:23:15.160 So it's like.

00:23:16.240 And kids are doing it.

00:23:17.460 Kids will get an energy drink before school.

00:23:19.200 I'm like, what are you?

00:23:20.360 Yeah.

00:23:20.560 Dude, your grades are bad.

00:23:22.200 Yeah.

00:23:22.760 It's not even a performity.

00:23:23.900 Yeah.

00:23:24.020 What are you doing?

00:23:24.460 What are you even doing over there, dude?

00:23:26.140 Yeah. 0.99

00:23:26.600 You just, cause you're reading the fucking crucible or whatever. 0.99

00:23:28.780 I got to get you another Celsius or something. 0.98

00:23:33.120 Uh, oh, it says, Hey, Hey, social media users visibly declined one or two points in attractiveness.

00:23:38.020 I seven.

00:23:38.580 Oh yeah.

00:23:38.800 I saw you said something that social media even can make us uglier.

00:23:42.340 It does.

00:23:42.820 This is the post.

00:23:43.600 Really?

00:23:44.020 Yeah.

00:23:44.700 Yeah.

00:23:44.880 This is good science because like when you engage heavily in social media, you're basically

00:23:51.100 you're lower, you have higher depression, higher anxiety.

00:23:54.340 You've got more inflammation.

00:23:55.760 You sleep more poorly.

00:23:56.840 So these are all things that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse.

00:24:01.400 So yeah.

00:24:01.980 So heavy social media users lose at least a point or two on the attractiveness scale.

00:24:06.940 Like you may go from a seven to a five.

00:24:08.760 So yeah, it does legitimately affect appearance.

00:24:12.160 And I think everybody kind of starts at an eight.

00:24:13.940 That's what I think.

00:24:14.580 If you brush your teeth, you're an eight.

00:24:15.960 Yeah.

00:24:16.200 Right.

00:24:16.920 And you're nice.

00:24:17.780 You're like 8.5.

00:24:18.880 Yeah.

00:24:19.080 And you give a good hug.

00:24:20.040 You're like nine.

00:24:20.880 Oh, you're already halfway there.

00:24:21.960 Yeah.

00:24:22.140 And then the rest is just the Lord.

00:24:23.540 And if your parents, if they were tens, um, wow, that's kind of, yeah, because I, this

00:24:29.900 is interesting because I do notice like, first of all, I'll say to people, I noticed this

00:24:34.660 now I'll say to people, Hey, I'm going to go into my phone for a second.

00:24:37.060 Right.

00:24:37.640 So it's almost like I'm, I'm letting you, it's almost like, yeah, I'm going to have a cigarette.

00:24:40.880 It's like the same sort of thing.

00:24:42.320 Yeah.

00:24:42.520 And then now it's gotten to me.

00:24:44.800 Sometimes I'm just so sick of watching socials.

00:24:47.240 Just like, I'll look at a few things and it's just like, oh, this isn't help.

00:24:51.540 This isn't doing anything anymore.

00:24:53.420 That started the thing too, is I don't even, this doesn't feel like it's doing anything

00:24:58.440 anymore.

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:24:59.100 Um, and then that the algorithm that, you know, somebody's behind it kind of queuing

00:25:04.580 up what is next.

00:25:05.440 It doesn't leave that, uh, as much of a whimsicalness about it.

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00:27:58.500 Oh, yeah.

00:27:59.620 I saw this one tweet that's just getting a lot of attention that I saw.

00:28:02.680 Mobile phone short video uses negatively impacts attention functions.

00:28:07.700 Yeah.

00:28:08.660 An EEG study says, one thing I do feel like is that there should be accountability for whoever

00:28:12.940 is making the algorithms.

00:28:14.560 Like, because there's been kids who get affected and then they watch stuff and then they might

00:28:19.600 consider self-harm, right?

00:28:20.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:21.080 Or people who you're curious about one video, but then it serves you seven others.

00:28:24.800 Yeah.

00:28:24.900 And now you have a strong take about a group or about a person or anything.

00:28:28.680 Yeah.

00:28:28.960 So it's like, shouldn't the creator of the algorithm?

00:28:32.280 Like, if I make something and I give it to you and I know it's bad and poisonous, you know,

00:28:38.280 there should be, you should be somewhat accountable, it feels like.

00:28:41.620 I know there's just now a court case, or wasn't Zuckerberg just in court?

00:28:46.360 Yeah.

00:28:46.920 Yeah, in LA.

00:28:48.520 Here we go.

00:28:49.160 Mark Zuckerberg grilled about underage Instagram users' social media addiction during landmark

00:28:53.440 trial.

00:28:54.780 In his first time testifying about child safety in front of a jury, Zuckerberg said,

00:28:59.560 the company does not seek to make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against

00:29:04.060 claims that the social media app is designed to be harmful to children.

00:29:08.100 I'm focused on building a community that is sustainable.

00:29:11.140 If you do something that's not good for people, maybe they'll spend more time short term, but

00:29:15.720 if they're not happy with it, they're not going to use it over time.

00:29:18.040 I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people spend every month.

00:29:22.020 Yeah, this is why I was saying that I wanted to reframe, because when people talk about

00:29:26.080 social media, typically the blame is on the person.

00:29:29.720 The person spends too much time on social media, right?

00:29:32.160 They need to be more disciplined.

00:29:33.600 They need to set limits. 0.67

00:29:35.000 And when you reframe this and you say, actually, social media is a pollutant.

00:29:38.760 It's like some company manufacturing cigarettes or asbestos or lead.

00:29:43.520 Or when you reframe it that way, it's what you said is, this is a pollutant driving society

00:29:49.720 that is making society depressed, anxious, lose focus, right?

00:29:54.160 Having all sorts of negative psychological and physiological implications.

00:29:57.620 When you reframe it that way, it changes the blame from the individual to like, you can't

00:30:02.720 reasonably expect people to want to be part of the tribe, to want to be part of a friend

00:30:07.960 group, and then put them in a system like the, it's like lead in pipes.

00:30:11.660 Water is in the pipes, but also lead is too.

00:30:15.300 So it's like, you can't, the solution is not to tell people to get off the phone.

00:30:18.760 You have to do some kind of filtering or something, because it's poisonous right now.

00:30:23.340 Yeah, I think it's a great way to say it.

00:30:24.780 Yeah, that it's a pollutant, right?

00:30:26.120 And people say, well, let's get off your phone.

00:30:27.440 But our society has gotten to the place where it is on our phone.

00:30:30.760 We live in an electronica society in a digital age.

00:30:34.860 So it's, yeah, if you have a neighbor next door who is a company that's just like blowing,

00:30:40.580 like, you know, those smokestacks that they never, that they never had any governors on

00:30:45.500 and they were just pouring horrible smoke into the air.

00:30:48.000 Those were held liable.

00:30:49.880 So it makes sense that these would be too.

00:30:52.360 The case filed in Los Angeles Superior Court involves over 1,600 plaintiffs, including families

00:30:57.660 and school districts, suing Meta, YouTube, which is TikTok and Snap.

00:31:02.800 KGM claims features like infinite scrolling, notifications, and beauty filters create addiction,

00:31:10.160 exacerbating body image, depression, and suicidal thoughts.

00:31:12.880 Yeah.

00:31:14.560 Some of the key moments.

00:31:15.860 Zuckerberg denied Meta aims to addict youth, stating his focus is on a sustainable community

00:31:21.560 where unhappy users won't stay long-term.

00:31:24.580 Grilled on underage users and AR beauty filters, despite internal concerns, he emphasized balancing

00:31:31.940 free expression and well-being, saying you don't really build social media apps unless

00:31:36.020 you care about people being able to express themselves.

00:31:38.900 I don't know if that's true anymore.

00:31:42.100 You know?

00:31:42.940 You know what it feels like is in physics, there's this idea like a phase transition.

00:31:47.980 So when water is at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid.

00:31:51.500 When it's 101, it's a vapor.

00:31:56.000 So just a very small change.

00:31:58.480 It's not gradual.

00:31:59.200 It just snaps.

00:31:59.980 That's a phase transition.

00:32:01.080 It feels to me like social media is heading towards a phase transition where there's like

00:32:05.980 all this built up, all these built up problems that are over, like about to go from 99C to

00:32:12.660 101C and it just snaps.

00:32:14.720 And society is like, we can't.

00:32:16.900 Right.

00:32:17.300 We can't do it anymore.

00:32:18.020 Like it's too much. 0.65

00:32:18.760 Like we're all fucking broken from this thing. 0.91

00:32:21.500 It's like, it's got to stop. 0.71

00:32:22.940 And like, I don't think these things are cool because they don't happen gradually.

00:32:26.940 It's just suddenly overnight.

00:32:28.300 Yeah.

00:32:28.580 So I would love that if like somehow there was a snap and we could all get back our sanity.

00:32:33.900 Right.

00:32:34.260 Like with Ugg boots.

00:32:35.100 Like when people were like, oh, these are great.

00:32:36.660 And Tom Brady was wearing them.

00:32:37.680 Then one day people were like.

00:32:39.080 Done.

00:32:39.620 Yeah.

00:32:40.200 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:40.520 The shits we hear. 1.00

00:32:41.300 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:41.540 People will be so relieved to not feel like.

00:32:44.280 Because right now.

00:32:45.160 Oh, dude.

00:32:45.860 If they came out with a rule right now and said on your phones won't even work on Saturday

00:32:50.540 and Sunday.

00:32:51.000 I think the entire world would exhale.

00:32:54.080 Oh, a hundred percent.

00:32:55.640 That's also true.

00:32:56.500 Like on like grind culture where the expectation is you have to work 20 hours a day. 0.99

00:33:02.140 Get up and fucking grind, Ron. 0.99

00:33:03.700 Right. 0.99

00:33:03.720 It's like, it's like in this expectation.

00:33:05.020 Take your eyes open.

00:33:06.220 I know.

00:33:06.940 Keep looking at invoices.

00:33:08.080 It's like, we're like driving ourselves insane as a species is like, we're losing our 1.00

00:33:12.940 shit. 0.99

00:33:13.260 And like, it's, it's right there in front of us and it's all these expectations. 1.00

00:33:16.540 And if it would be, it would be amazing.

00:33:18.200 I love that.

00:33:18.560 Like the phones don't work. 0.99

00:33:19.360 It's like, God damn, let's, let's go celebrate. 0.99

00:33:22.240 I think. 0.99

00:33:22.920 And I think people would.

00:33:24.080 Yeah.

00:33:24.240 They don't even work good. 1.00

00:33:25.360 Fuck them. 1.00

00:33:26.080 I think one day if people take over a business or like people like storm the Capitol, dude, 1.00

00:33:31.360 storm T-Mobile, storm these towers and just bring them down.

00:33:35.380 Free us from what this, it's digital chains where we're locked, you know?

00:33:40.960 You know, when it's people, when people are not with the tribe, they experience it as physical

00:33:48.200 death because we are evolved to live in a group of 150 people or less to be seen by the

00:33:55.020 tribe.

00:33:55.680 And when you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media, you're not seen

00:33:59.820 by the tribe.

00:34:00.680 So it feels literally like death.

00:34:02.900 That's why you can't just say like, don't be on your phone.

00:34:05.200 Cause you're like, you, your body's like, am I dead to the tribe?

00:34:08.080 Right.

00:34:08.580 Do I even exist?

00:34:09.380 Yeah.

00:34:09.520 You feel like that.

00:34:10.260 Yeah.

00:34:10.400 I'll take a couple of months off.

00:34:11.480 Will people know, do I exist?

00:34:12.920 What's even going on?

00:34:13.900 So therefore you're forced into this performative existence of like, Hey guys, I exist.

00:34:18.060 Remember me?

00:34:18.640 Like, look at me over here.

00:34:19.440 Like, remember I'm part of the tribe.

00:34:21.340 So it's just, it's such a violent and abusive relationship of this game that no one wants

00:34:25.880 to play.

00:34:26.180 I mean, like it is fun.

00:34:27.560 Like there's value to it.

00:34:29.120 There's good information.

00:34:29.840 Like there's, I don't want to say there's not virtues to it, but the way it's structured

00:34:33.220 now, it's just like a, a loss for society overall.

00:34:36.840 Yeah, dude.

00:34:37.920 Well, there's just things that you would miss, bro.

00:34:40.560 Sitting there at home, wondering if a chick thought about you or not, bro.

00:34:46.420 And here's the thing.

00:34:47.740 Now you can just find out immediately.

00:34:49.160 She's liking some of the dude.

00:34:50.500 You see that she's already married or whatever, but back in the day, you couldn't do that.

00:34:54.480 So you just had to, and you thought that she did.

00:34:56.480 So you were like hopeful and excited and you would just, you would take care of yourself

00:35:00.200 till the next time you saw her.

00:35:01.620 But now you'll just go see something like, Oh, she's out with Rick or whatever.

00:35:05.180 So now I'm depressed.

00:35:07.380 Now I'm at home.

00:35:08.000 Now I'm not even going to get out of bed.

00:35:09.340 You know, I think, um, just those things.

00:35:12.520 And then the, the also like the negative effects of just like, if you communicate with all types

00:35:18.560 of people all day, then when you finally see like your spouse or your partner at the end

00:35:22.600 of the day, you're kind of burnt out sometimes, you know, you're burnt out because you've had

00:35:26.700 all this odd connection.

00:35:28.400 That's not real connection, but it's, it's, uh, some artificial connection.

00:35:33.160 And it's like, if you've been eating Fritos all day and then you get to dinner, you're

00:35:37.140 like, Oh yeah.

00:35:38.360 Yeah.

00:35:38.800 This looks so good, but I'll, I'll, I'm just, I can't even have any right now. 0.99

00:35:44.180 I'm already full of shit. 0.95

00:35:45.220 So we, with this project, we have been, so basically my project don't die. 0.98

00:35:50.520 Oh, your project don't die.

00:35:51.420 So like basically like the idea is if, if we are the first generation won't die, then

00:35:56.520 the goal is like identify things that make you die and then don't do those things.

00:36:00.960 So I try to eliminate them.

00:36:01.780 So what you're talking about at the end of the day, when you're like, I don't know what 1.00

00:36:06.180 it is, but I just feel like shit. 0.99

00:36:07.700 Right. 0.99

00:36:08.240 Then it's, so it's basically, it's the stacking of all these things that make you die.

00:36:12.040 For example, did you know this, that when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's,

00:36:18.320 you have the smell that you, you, right.

00:36:20.920 When you walk in, that is like secondhand smoke.

00:36:23.940 It's the aerosol, aerosolized oils.

00:36:27.040 Yeah.

00:36:27.580 So like.

00:36:28.220 That's Ronald McDonald's cologne.

00:36:29.860 It is his cologne. 1.00

00:36:31.360 That shit is wild. 1.00

00:36:32.200 That's creepy. 1.00

00:36:32.660 You know what? 0.99

00:36:33.220 That's creepy as fuck. 0.99

00:36:34.180 Wow. 1.00

00:36:34.380 Very creepy.

00:36:35.300 Cause he's got that play place in the back.

00:36:36.680 Oh my God.

00:36:37.520 That is, that is dystopic. 1.00

00:36:40.040 Holy shit. 1.00

00:36:40.500 I didn't think about that. 1.00

00:36:41.240 It is, huh?

00:36:42.140 So like, that is one example.

00:36:43.560 So we track 250 things in our society that make me die.

00:36:49.160 And so, and when you go about your day.

00:36:51.200 With this project, don't die.

00:36:52.740 So you guys track 250 things that make you die.

00:36:55.180 Yeah.

00:36:55.440 So basically when I started doing this, we said, okay, like, are we the first generation

00:36:58.560 who won't die?

00:36:59.280 Okay.

00:36:59.580 Let's take that as a premise.

00:37:00.680 So then I hired a team of doctors and we got to work.

00:37:04.300 And so we, we went through all the scientific evidence.

00:37:07.200 We said like, what does the scientific evidence say about longevity and things that make you

00:37:11.920 die?

00:37:12.240 And then I measured every organ of my body that I could, like we would go through and say,

00:37:16.840 what is the age?

00:37:17.480 So I, I was 42 years old when we started.

00:37:19.720 So I said like, what is the biological age of my heart?

00:37:23.480 Cause your biological age can be different than your chronological age.

00:37:26.540 So for example, like my ear, my left ear is age 64.

00:37:30.260 Cause I shot a lot of guns as a kid, listened to loud music.

00:37:33.380 So it's impaired.

00:37:34.900 So we measured all of my organs and said like, here's my baseline.

00:37:38.000 And then we got to work like doing therapies and measurement.

00:37:41.640 And so I became the most measured person in human history.

00:37:44.400 There's more data on my body than any humans ever lived.

00:37:46.540 And so in doing that, we just found out like what kills the body, you know, like do microplastics

00:37:52.580 harm the body?

00:37:53.520 If so, how, you know, uh, do just going into fast food, like aerosolized does that, um,

00:37:59.660 like social media.

00:38:01.540 And so when you, it really resonates when you say you go home, like you don't know why you 0.98

00:38:07.780 feel like shit, but after doing this for years, I know why it's like the stacking of all these 0.95

00:38:13.160 things that society has done to make a profit. 1.00

00:38:17.380 And then it's just like, you're the collateral damage, but like we've built a society of die 0.70

00:38:21.960 and that's what sucks about it. 0.51

00:38:23.800 So I'm, I never want to approach it to say like, Hey, you individual, like you get off

00:38:27.620 your phone or you stop doing these things.

00:38:28.780 It's like the system's broken.

00:38:30.360 Right.

00:38:30.800 And that's, what's cool about this moment is if we do see this moment is like, this

00:38:34.760 is like 1870 bacteria is present.

00:38:38.620 Do we believe this crazy idea or not?

00:38:40.180 Like this could be like, it would change everything.

00:38:42.320 So like we transform ourselves as a society.

00:38:45.660 I love that idea because yeah, when you put it like that, it gives you more of a hope.

00:38:49.460 It gives it more of like, uh, um, this, uh, universal type of thing that's going on.

00:38:54.480 And I feel that I feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now.

00:38:57.860 Like, is this good for me?

00:38:59.180 Why did I believe all these companies?

00:39:00.720 Why did I believe that the government and the FDA and the EPA that they were looking out

00:39:05.240 for me, they it's obvious now from so many trials and, um, and corporate, uh, interests

00:39:11.240 that they weren't, you know, there's all these, there's, there's all these things that, that,

00:39:14.640 that none of that was happening.

00:39:15.840 And so now it's back on us.

00:39:17.640 And what do we really want?

00:39:19.260 Right.

00:39:19.480 Cause we'd put the faith.

00:39:20.660 I think a lot of people have put the faith in the hands of their government and, um,

00:39:25.260 not entirely, but you would just assume that, oh yeah, the food they're letting come into

00:39:29.560 us into our lives where we pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks this,

00:39:34.780 that it's going to be okay for us.

00:39:36.440 And then I think it's at the point now where people that, that idea is totally spoiled.

00:39:41.040 So where do we go from here?

00:39:42.700 Are those powers going to try to like imprison us into this space, which also feels like it's

00:39:47.340 going to, they're trying to, um, because you have like companies like bear and Monsanto,

00:39:52.240 they're lobbying, you know, like trying to keep all these things, uh, in our food and,

00:39:56.820 and make sure that people can't sue if they do get sick.

00:39:59.560 Or is it going to be that there's some sort of a, of a revolution?

00:40:02.940 Yeah.

00:40:03.380 Um, so I saw you just, you just asked Trevor to pour, um, your coffee into, and that was

00:40:09.020 out of a paper cup into a, yeah.

00:40:12.320 Um, it's a stainless steel.

00:40:14.320 Yeah.

00:40:14.520 Okay.

00:40:14.980 What is the cause of that?

00:40:16.460 Cause that's one thing a lot of people were thinking of what's, so there's a lot of,

00:40:19.720 there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics.

00:40:22.780 Yeah.

00:40:23.000 You know, like they're everywhere.

00:40:23.840 There are clothes, there are food.

00:40:25.440 Like, so, um, we did this, uh, project where we said, okay, can we,

00:40:29.300 measure microplastics in my body?

00:40:31.140 And so we did a few things.

00:40:32.380 Uh, one is we measured microplastics in my blood and we measured microplastics in my

00:40:38.440 semen.

00:40:39.020 Okay.

00:40:39.300 And so two distinct, uh, biological systems.

00:40:43.420 And we wanted to look at semen because fertility is really important. 1.00

00:40:46.700 And we want to, like, cause there was a few studies that showed that, uh, 100% of tested

00:40:53.460 males.

00:40:54.420 Of tested men?

00:40:54.960 Men.

00:40:55.280 Okay. 1.00

00:40:55.520 Have microplastics in their balls. 0.99

00:40:57.640 Oh. 1.00

00:40:58.320 And their semen. 0.99

00:40:59.520 Hmm. 0.98

00:40:59.940 And so we wanted to basically pose this question.

00:41:03.480 Could we do anything in life that would lower my microplastic burden in my body, in my blood

00:41:08.040 and on my semen? 0.64

00:41:09.000 And so we did a few things. 0.84

00:41:10.680 Like one is, uh, cups they use for, you know, hot coffee.

00:41:15.820 They leach microplastics.

00:41:17.480 The heat causes the leaching of microplastics.

00:41:19.460 So when you're drinking that coffee, you're, you're consuming microplastics.

00:41:22.900 And so we did that plus a whole bunch of other things to reduce it.

00:41:25.600 And we dropped my microplastic burden by 87% in both blood and semen.

00:41:32.280 And so that was a big win for us because no one in the world had ever demonstrated that,

00:41:35.680 that you can look at both those things and look at the remediations.

00:41:38.520 And the second thing we saw is we think that part of the reduction was from the things we did,

00:41:43.900 like removing plastic cups, um, you know, plastic cutting boards, like trying to remove

00:41:47.540 plastic from the house.

00:41:48.380 Then also dry sauna.

00:41:51.040 We think dry sauna was potentially, we're not sure, potentially the cause of reducing

00:41:55.280 microplastics in the body overall.

00:41:56.700 So it's kind of, it's the example of where if you hear a headline of like toxin, like

00:42:03.040 microplastic is scary.

00:42:04.340 We try to lay out a clear path of like, you can do these things to reduce your exposure

00:42:09.240 and to bring your levels down.

00:42:10.940 So we do that systematically over like a whole bunch of things.

00:42:13.580 But yeah, that's why I, I basically try to avoid any material that would be worn.

00:42:18.580 And leach microplastics, whereas stainless steel, you don't have that leaching problem.

00:42:22.660 Got it.

00:42:23.140 And what about using just our microwaves and stuff like that?

00:42:26.360 Are there microplastics in there?

00:42:28.000 I hear recently that there's microplastics in our air fryers and stuff like that.

00:42:31.700 Is that stuff true?

00:42:32.580 Or is that just a sales pitch for them to get you to get a new air fryer?

00:42:36.640 Yeah.

00:42:36.920 I mean, if your air fryer, I was looking into air fryer recently.

00:42:39.140 I think a lot of them are made with plastic.

00:42:41.460 And so you're, you're heating these materials to certain degrees where you're inevitably

00:42:46.360 going to have off-gassing of microplastics.

00:42:48.520 So, yeah, no, this is the thing is like, once you start, once you realize that plastic is

00:42:53.820 a target, you realize you come to learn it's in everything, everywhere you look.

00:43:00.320 So even now, like after I've tried to purge my life from plastic, I will still like, here's

00:43:05.240 an example.

00:43:05.880 I was doing sauna to try to rid my body of toxins, including microplastics.

00:43:11.020 I mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and 90% cotton.

00:43:17.400 So there I am trying to rid myself of toxins and I'm using it on my body.

00:43:23.420 All right.

00:43:24.080 With the polyester, right?

00:43:25.440 I'm like wiping my body with toxins. 0.99

00:43:27.380 So like, you know, like that was an idiotic mistake, but like an example, like we're always, 0.98

00:43:32.420 we're just finding this forever. 0.96

00:43:33.460 So I got rid of all the, I thought that was a cotton towel, but it wasn't, but we got rid

00:43:37.020 of that, but it's just forever.

00:43:38.320 It's, it's amazing how omnipresent they are.

00:43:40.320 Yeah.

00:43:40.420 I've actually been working with this company, American Giant that they make, um, they've

00:43:44.960 tried to use just American cotton and make their products just in America.

00:43:48.580 Like that's, I mean, just a top to bottom America only company that makes, uh,

00:43:55.300 textiles or clothing because they don't really even have those anymore.

00:43:59.140 Yeah.

00:43:59.340 Um, I remember their journey was how, how do we even get a shirt made here?

00:44:02.840 And it was seemingly impossible just because we don't have the looms or so many things we

00:44:06.460 don't have.

00:44:07.140 Um, but we've been working on a cotton, like a cotton only underwear that would be, uh,

00:44:13.040 just so it's only cotton, right?

00:44:14.380 So you're not dealing with anything else.

00:44:16.020 That's awesome.

00:44:16.680 Um, what fabrics have you found that are okay to kind of keep on your body, uh, that do

00:44:20.700 not have microplastics in them and which ones are the ones that people need to be weary

00:44:24.020 of?

00:44:24.360 Yeah, there's a list.

00:44:25.020 So, I mean, one is on the cotton stuff is we were, we've, everything I put into my

00:44:29.700 body, we test like all the food I eat.

00:44:31.880 Uh, so we were testing, um, clothing and actually we tested a diaper, uh, a diaper where the portion

00:44:40.040 of the diaper, the diaper that absorbs the urine for the baby, uh, we tested that and it

00:44:44.520 was like eight times as high in glyphosate.

00:44:47.520 So how, so, so cotton unexpectedly.

00:44:50.900 That's what's in the pesticides.

00:44:52.720 Exactly.

00:44:53.260 So, so cotton is, is better than like a polyester, but cotton is also not like, it's not just

00:44:59.440 pure, right?

00:45:00.240 So there could be residual, uh, pesticides in your cotton.

00:45:04.120 Like how fast does it come out?

00:45:05.840 We don't know, but this is like, I, this is like dangerous because I think a lot of people

00:45:09.960 listening are kind of like, oh my God, I give up.

00:45:12.280 Like, what do I do?

00:45:13.700 Right.

00:45:14.100 But I, I, I want to give you hope that you, you just slowly peel back one layer after

00:45:19.780 another, after another, like chip away.

00:45:21.880 It's okay.

00:45:22.540 We'll get after, we'll get on top of this, but just like, you just know that there's

00:45:26.160 always these layers.

00:45:27.340 So yeah, so we tested that.

00:45:28.940 And so that's in the diaper.

00:45:29.820 Now there's no evidence that glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin.

00:45:34.040 No one's tested it.

00:45:34.740 So maybe it is, but if it is, that's terrible.

00:45:37.300 We're bathing our children, you know, we're brave, bathing their private parts in pesticides

00:45:42.980 in these diapers.

00:45:44.080 And so like, this is the kind of thing where I'm saying, like, once you start chasing these,

00:45:47.820 these paths, you just find out society has built itself for profit.

00:45:53.040 They've not built itself for life.

00:45:56.300 And that's what you see everywhere.

00:45:58.380 And so back to this conversation, you, you, the point you made before of like this idea

00:46:02.340 of care, like think of, okay, here's a question for you.

00:46:06.140 Who in your life unquestionably acts in your best interest?

00:46:11.920 Like without doubt, without a doubt, they act in your best interest.

00:46:15.620 Probably my brother.

00:46:17.560 Like you can probably count on one hand, right?

00:46:19.640 Yeah.

00:46:20.140 Everyone else, like whether it's like a social group or whether it's companies or the government

00:46:25.300 or whatever, everybody else shows up with a complicated set of objectives.

00:46:32.040 Part of it may be like, it's not good, but the whole bunch of the rapper behind it

00:46:36.100 may be like, they want something from you.

00:46:38.860 And so there's this idea of care that I'm trying to pioneer with the company I'm building

00:46:42.260 around this is, can we legitimately, unquestionably always act in our customer's best interest?

00:46:49.280 Even if it means we lose money, we always show up for you.

00:46:53.220 Because that's really like what I've been trying to do in this whole process.

00:46:55.920 But it just shows that as a society, we don't have care as a principle, as our society.

00:47:03.840 Like you're not expected to actually act in someone's best interest.

00:47:06.180 You're expected to have a better exchange to make profit.

00:47:08.580 Well, sometimes I'll romanticize, well, it probably used to be that way.

00:47:11.360 And I don't know if that's true or not.

00:47:12.940 But the fact that we're at that place now, I think is important.

00:47:18.500 We did this thing this year around the holidays where we've tried to find 10 American companies

00:47:23.260 that were like American-made products and then show those off, like highlight those.

00:47:28.520 It was me and Mike Rowe.

00:47:29.540 So, and it was just so you, if you want to buy something that's American, you can get it.

00:47:34.560 You know, this is something that when you buy it, you're supporting a fellow American.

00:47:38.480 So it's like, screw these big company.

00:47:41.280 Like if I buy from you and you buy from me, then we keep each other alive.

00:47:45.440 We're, it only, you know, so we're trying to start to create this, this space where you can do that.

00:47:52.200 Where it's like, if I want to buy something, I'd rather, instead of going to look at like

00:47:55.780 these things that are on the same shelves in every single place,

00:48:00.060 why don't I go find this unique thing that's only made by one of my fellow human beings, you know?

00:48:04.940 That's a cool idea.

00:48:06.000 It's one of the things that's kind of made me most excited recently, like in the world.

00:48:10.720 And we're trying to work with like Shopify or something, you know,

00:48:13.340 some company to come along and be like, well, these are the sites, you know,

00:48:16.920 people are going to need these sites to build their products.

00:48:18.820 Because then it's like, like we even had a woman who sells like these really like great little characters

00:48:25.420 and, and, and kind of ornaments and stuff.

00:48:27.620 So we had some artists and creatives in there, but it was great.

00:48:30.320 And, um, and a lot of them had great profits.

00:48:32.600 It was like, oh, people want this, right?

00:48:34.980 Um, people want to go down the road where there is like some accountability for themselves

00:48:39.540 and they want to be in a way where they can, uh, where they, the purchase,

00:48:44.440 where they're putting their money.

00:48:46.860 It feels like I'm giving this to someone else who I know probably needs it just as much as I do.

00:48:52.340 You know, they're just a regular person.

00:48:54.260 They're not a big entity, you know?

00:48:55.860 So I think anyway, I'm saying, I think there's somewhat of a, people do care or we,

00:49:00.980 to get people to care where they're spending, you know, um, that's kind of stuff is very important.

00:49:06.620 What, what are your thoughts on RFK juniors, his eat real food initiative?

00:49:10.180 Have you seen that?

00:49:10.900 Yeah, I have.

00:49:11.160 Yeah.

00:49:11.420 Tyson being the spokesperson.

00:49:13.280 What's that?

00:49:13.880 Yeah.

00:49:13.980 Mike Tyson was the, was the spokesperson.

00:49:16.000 He was, he was in the Superbowl ad.

00:49:17.600 Oh, I didn't even see that.

00:49:18.760 Yeah.

00:49:18.960 Yeah.

00:49:19.600 Because he came on here and he talked about it.

00:49:21.300 He just said, eat real food, you know?

00:49:22.920 Yeah.

00:49:23.300 Yeah.

00:49:23.960 Yeah.

00:49:24.120 I think it's great.

00:49:24.540 I mean, I think, uh, so RFK is a friend.

00:49:26.540 Um, yeah, same.

00:49:27.720 Yeah.

00:49:27.900 He's like, he's getting after it, you know, like people, like in any situation, um, people

00:49:32.680 are going to have various opinions.

00:49:33.760 Fine.

00:49:34.280 But like, he's really trying his best.

00:49:36.200 And so I respect that he's pulling up and he's made some great, uh, he has some great

00:49:40.320 wins getting rid of, uh, food dyes.

00:49:43.360 And so, yeah, I mean, I, I'm, I'm grateful for him doing it and it was cool.

00:49:46.660 You know, like Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in my consciousness more

00:49:51.500 than any public figure.

00:49:52.740 When I was, when I was seven years old, he had peed, I think he was 21.

00:49:57.460 He just won the belt and he was on the cover of sports illustrated like every week.

00:50:03.620 That's right.

00:50:04.200 I would cut those out and I had it on my wall, but my Tyson was my idol.

00:50:09.340 Like, and I actually, this is like a terrible story.

00:50:12.460 Um, I loved him so much and I saved up all, I worked all summer long mowing lawns and like 0.98

00:50:18.560 doing all this whole bunch of shit. 0.85

00:50:19.720 I saved up money and I bought the pay-per-view. 1.00

00:50:22.500 It was like $44 and 95 cents.

00:50:25.160 I called my friends over.

00:50:26.580 I'm going to treat them to this amazing experience.

00:50:28.740 And he was fighting Buster Douglas, his first big loss.

00:50:34.200 And oh my God, that was, uh, that was like soul wrenching.

00:50:38.660 Uh, because I wanted to see Tyson, like, you know, knock out of the park.

00:50:41.220 I'd never seen him fight live and you couldn't just like pull them up on clips on YouTube.

00:50:44.460 It was like, it's harder to see, but anyway, somebody like tangent there, but, uh, it was

00:50:49.780 cool to see Tyson go from that to now he's like in my world talking about real food and how

00:50:55.580 it's important.

00:50:56.060 So I think he's got, he's had a cool life arc.

00:50:59.060 He has had a great life arc.

00:51:00.280 I mean, he's pretty fascinating.

00:51:01.200 We're supposed to do a podcast with him coming up soon, actually.

00:51:03.480 Um, in LA actually.

00:51:05.280 So if I do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that you get to come over there.

00:51:08.440 Would love to.

00:51:09.000 I would love to meet him.

00:51:10.220 That'd be super dude.

00:51:11.300 Yeah.

00:51:11.840 Oh yeah.

00:51:12.440 He was like, you know, boxers were such, uh, like, I don't know if, like they were such

00:51:20.260 gods.

00:51:22.000 They, they held that status, right?

00:51:23.540 Like in the eighties, they were it.

00:51:25.940 Like you had like basketball, you had the bulls, you've got the bears, uh, you know,

00:51:31.980 Bo Jackson, uh, like they were it.

00:51:34.680 Yeah.

00:51:35.100 A hundred percent.

00:51:36.100 Um, what do you think the government's role should be in our, uh, health and diet?

00:51:40.680 Um, so I guess like two things.

00:51:43.240 One is there, there are a lot of things I want to do that I can't do because the government

00:51:50.780 prevents me from doing it.

00:51:52.180 So I can go out and smoke.

00:51:54.040 I can eat fast food.

00:51:55.380 I can eat all the junk food out there, but I can't try a new longevity drug.

00:52:02.000 The companies are forbidden from allowing me to do that.

00:52:04.280 So like in many ways I, I dislike, uh, they give me the freedom to kill myself, but I can't

00:52:11.640 have the, I don't have the right to experiment on myself.

00:52:13.720 And I wish I had more experiment, experiment, experiential power that I could do that.

00:52:17.840 Have there been a certain drugs and stuff that you wanted to go try or a lot of them?

00:52:21.460 Really?

00:52:21.740 Yeah.

00:52:21.880 Yeah.

00:52:22.020 What's one that really kind of, you know, tickles your Benjamin, but that's good.

00:52:27.460 I mean, there's a whole bunch of, uh, there's like probably a dozen.

00:52:31.600 Um, and like the, the thing I'd, I want to do is I want to accept the responsibility of

00:52:39.400 determining if it's safe or not.

00:52:40.800 Now, if I mess up, it's on me.

00:52:42.640 Yeah.

00:52:43.220 Like I'll take that responsibility, but I do.

00:52:45.080 Well, I don't want them to say like only after, cause then it, it creates this gigantic

00:52:48.760 but now it makes sense.

00:52:50.580 Companies go through like a, a structured process and they say, it's gone through this process.

00:52:55.700 We give it a stamp of approval.

00:52:57.040 It's like, it's a good idea. 0.97

00:52:58.100 Like on large scale vaccines, like you don't want to ship a shitty vaccine to society. 0.95

00:53:02.580 Totally get it. 0.73

00:53:03.320 Um, also right on like a N equals one, like me scale, I want to do things without their 1.00

00:53:10.440 limiting my ability to do it.

00:53:11.640 So it's a really tricky balance because there, there needs to be some structure in place

00:53:16.900 where as a member of the society, I can say, I trust some entity to ensure what I'm doing

00:53:23.280 is safe because we're saying the company itself can't be trusted, right?

00:53:27.840 Like there needs to be like some, right.

00:53:29.360 Some middleman.

00:53:30.200 Yeah.

00:53:30.440 Like that's the idea.

00:53:31.780 But now the middleman, it feels like can't be trusted.

00:53:33.500 Exactly.

00:53:33.980 It's like what, if we just like take this little wholesale, what we're going back to is care,

00:53:37.740 right?

00:53:37.920 Like, do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimately looking after my best interest

00:53:44.880 or not?

00:53:45.620 And this is why I'm saying when you go back to like who legitimately is looking after your

00:53:48.360 best interest, it's not like one hand, it's your brother.

00:53:50.320 Yeah.

00:53:51.020 And so what if we established as a society, the principle of care?

00:53:55.780 And now that's hard because you have to do things that are not your best financial interest.

00:54:00.000 You've got to do things like don't look good.

00:54:01.920 So like it really puts a different mentality, but also man, would it be kick-ass to live in

00:54:06.300 that society?

00:54:06.840 Yeah.

00:54:07.240 Where like, I, you know, if you're going to tell me to take a drug, like you're not hiding 0.99

00:54:10.000 shit. 0.95

00:54:10.560 Like you're not like, you know, so that'd be cool. 1.00

00:54:12.780 So.

00:54:13.240 Oh yeah.

00:54:14.240 It'd be so nice.

00:54:15.300 Cause imagine also the stress that it adds to all of us.

00:54:18.080 Yeah.

00:54:18.300 You know, it's so stressful now.

00:54:19.440 It's like you go eat a hot cake or whatever.

00:54:21.600 And you're like, is this thing going to kill me?

00:54:23.740 Not today.

00:54:24.360 Yeah.

00:54:24.640 But is there something in here that they're strategizing to kill me 30 years from now,

00:54:28.980 you know, to create some new disease in me that then I'll need some new type of medicine.

00:54:33.460 You know, it just kind of, yeah, it's a lot of turmoil.

00:54:37.540 What is your kind of daily dietary strategy?

00:54:41.060 Where do you stand with your diet?

00:54:42.980 Yeah.

00:54:43.200 And then we'll talk about like supplements that you like.

00:54:45.500 Cool.

00:54:46.140 Yeah.

00:54:46.280 The principle here is that I am a collection of around 70 trillion cells.

00:54:50.540 Like Brian Johnson is 70 trillion cells.

00:54:53.580 Half, like over half of those cells are alien cells.

00:54:56.240 They're not even me.

00:54:56.660 They're just bacteria.

00:54:57.500 So I'm like around 30, 35 trillion cells.

00:54:59.800 Is that true?

00:55:00.680 Yeah.

00:55:01.100 Yeah.

00:55:01.280 You, you are a collection of like 70 trillion cells.

00:55:03.960 That makes the Yvonne.

00:55:05.260 Okay.

00:55:05.660 And half of those cells are not.

00:55:07.780 They're not you.

00:55:08.700 They're not natural born citizens. 0.66

00:55:10.160 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:10.800 Yeah.

00:55:11.000 They're immigrants.

00:55:11.720 Yeah.

00:55:11.840 So like they're bacteria and others that are hanging out in your ecosystem.

00:55:16.780 And so the question is like, you know, when it comes to food, food is just a collection

00:55:21.680 of molecules.

00:55:22.960 So you're taking one set of molecules and you put them in your molecules and you say like,

00:55:27.300 what happens?

00:55:28.520 And so we know, for example, when you take fast food, those molecules are put in your body.

00:55:33.380 It does bad stuff.

00:55:34.480 And so with diet, we basically just say, if you have to create a list of the very best molecules

00:55:40.700 in existence that help the body thrive, what are those molecules?

00:55:44.460 So every calorie has a five-first life.

00:55:46.560 And so that's the first principle.

00:55:47.980 And then two is I don't subscribe to any camp.

00:55:52.380 Like I'm not carnivore.

00:55:54.260 I'm not vegan.

00:55:54.900 I'm not vegetarian.

00:55:55.640 I'm not paleo.

00:55:56.600 I'm not keto.

00:55:57.640 I don't care.

00:55:58.940 I just want to look at the evidence and say, you take a given thing, you put it in the

00:56:01.680 body, what happens?

00:56:02.740 And so my diet primarily consists of a whole bunch of vegetables.

00:56:06.920 I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil.

00:56:10.700 That's primarily what I eat.

00:56:11.820 And so I'm just, I'm extremely meticulous because I'm trying to become the most don't

00:56:15.820 die person in the world.

00:56:16.880 So, but you know, if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat, you know, like do your thing.

00:56:21.200 If you enjoy eggs, do eggs.

00:56:23.200 Just measure your body, like measure your body and see if you're happy or not.

00:56:26.760 If the body is, so there's what your mind can say, like, oh, I love blank.

00:56:31.260 But measuring your body is a different thing.

00:56:33.560 Your body is going to tell, is going to speak the truth, not your mind.

00:56:36.680 So basically like you want to measure out, let your body report out how's inflammation,

00:56:40.460 how's cholesterol, like how's all the different markers.

00:56:43.220 So, and when it comes to meat and things like that, are there just, you don't like them

00:56:47.460 or you feel like they don't work for your body?

00:56:49.300 Was there something that you found that you're like, this isn't the best for me?

00:56:52.860 So it's actually, I mean, one is, I think there's two points.

00:56:56.460 One is, I think you can make an evidence-based argument that a diet that primarily consists

00:57:02.960 of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil, legumes, is one of the best

00:57:11.960 paths to longevity.

00:57:13.420 Not the only, but like a good one.

00:57:15.440 And then on the like red meat, there's not a ton of evidence that a lot of ton of longevity 0.72

00:57:22.120 evidence that says this thing is a longevity producer.

00:57:26.120 Now, but I, I pull myself out of the argument because I don't care about red meat. 0.76

00:57:30.700 I don't care about the argument.

00:57:31.840 I don't care about the disagreement.

00:57:33.800 If somebody wants to eat red meat, I support you in eating red meat. 0.90

00:57:36.920 Yeah.

00:57:37.060 Like I'm not going to go after red meat.

00:57:38.240 Like I'm not that person.

00:57:39.900 So just like do your-

00:57:41.120 Yeah, I'll pat you on the back while you have a little, you know.

00:57:42.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:43.260 While you have some burn-ins or whatever.

00:57:44.740 Yeah, man, do it.

00:57:45.040 Like do your thing and just measure your body.

00:57:47.200 So I tried to do that and I tried to then share my body biomarkers and say, here's what

00:57:50.860 my body looks like, here's the evidence.

00:57:53.220 If you want to try it out, here you go.

00:57:55.540 But like a lot of, so like a couple of things.

00:57:58.840 One is I love extra virgin olive oil.

00:58:02.640 I think it's one of the best foods you can put into your body.

00:58:05.420 Is that a seed oil or not?

00:58:06.680 No.

00:58:07.100 Okay.

00:58:07.700 Yeah.

00:58:07.860 There's like this whole seed oils are bad for you.

00:58:11.260 I don't, I don't buy it.

00:58:12.480 You don't?

00:58:13.480 No, I think it's fried.

00:58:15.600 It's, it's high temp seed oils, but you know, like cold pressed seed oils, you

00:58:20.780 know, like they're fine.

00:58:21.760 So like that whole thing, I think got away.

00:58:23.560 Oh, so you think the seed oil thing is kind of out there.

00:58:26.020 Yeah.

00:58:26.460 Yeah.

00:58:26.840 It's, you don't want to heat them.

00:58:28.520 That's when they become dangerous, but cold pressed seed oils, the evidence says they're

00:58:32.880 fine.

00:58:33.180 But again, like if somebody wants to do it, great.

00:58:36.180 Like, you know, abstain or take it, just measure yourself and try to find the markers.

00:58:40.840 Right.

00:58:41.300 Check in with yourself, have some sort of like, okay, how do I really feel after having this?

00:58:45.740 Yeah.

00:58:45.860 And how does your body report out?

00:58:47.680 Not your mind, not your opinion, not what social media says, ask your body to report

00:58:51.960 out with biomarkers, get a blood draw, look at your markers and say, is the body happy

00:58:55.800 or sad?

00:58:56.840 Right.

00:58:57.480 Not each time you eat, but you're saying over time.

00:58:59.640 Over time.

00:58:59.980 Yeah.

00:59:00.340 Cause those like your body reflects your diets over a period of time.

00:59:05.440 Yeah.

00:59:05.840 Yeah.

00:59:06.280 But like the easy ones, like just avoid, there we go.

00:59:10.380 Yeah.

00:59:10.740 This was just saying cooking oils, not all cooking oils are created equal.

00:59:13.740 This chart breaks down the linoleic acid content in different oils, helping you make informed

00:59:19.020 choices for heart health and inflammation control.

00:59:21.940 High linoleic oils like soybeans, sunflower and corn oil can contribute to inflammation

00:59:26.720 while healthier options like coconut, olive and grass fed butter offer beneficial fats.

00:59:32.260 But you don't buy into this.

00:59:33.960 I mean, so this is cooking.

00:59:35.300 This is what does...

00:59:36.460 Oh, this is actually using it for cooking.

00:59:37.920 Yeah.

00:59:38.040 What does well at higher heats?

00:59:40.440 So this is kind of what you're saying, actually, that some of these may provide less health

00:59:45.740 benefit for you.

00:59:46.420 But like on this though, like this graph, I want to see the toxic compounds that are

00:59:52.840 formed.

00:59:54.040 Otherwise, like, I don't know how to read this graph.

00:59:56.000 Right.

00:59:57.480 Right.

00:59:57.860 And they'll show stuff like this.

00:59:58.900 I mean, even in trap me, it just, you know, they use the red, yellow, green.

01:00:02.040 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:02.660 There's a lot of small strategies that can kind of like, yeah, I want to see what temperature,

01:00:06.940 what are the toxic compounds I'm evaluating?

01:00:10.160 When do they form?

01:00:11.560 Like, you know, et cetera.

01:00:12.580 So that is like a, that'd be a much more quantified approach where I'd say, all right, now I feel

01:00:16.780 like I have a good basis for decision-making versus like, this is easy to read online.

01:00:21.140 You see red, green, yellow.

01:00:22.180 It's like, okay, good, bad.

01:00:23.900 Because anything more than good, bad, it kind of, it gets overwhelming for people.

01:00:27.500 Yeah, for sure.

01:00:29.440 Yeah.

01:00:29.800 You say extra virgin olive oil.

01:00:31.060 That's sort of your go-to.

01:00:32.180 Yeah.

01:00:32.680 Based upon the evidence I, my team and I have reviewed, this is what I would suggest if

01:00:36.640 people want quick takeaways.

01:00:39.240 One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than any food in my diet.

01:00:44.240 It's 15% of my daily caloric intake, but it's, we source it ourselves.

01:00:49.300 We test it in the lab ourselves.

01:00:51.720 It's high polyphenol, has the right acids, right, right constitution.

01:00:56.040 So it's a specific kind of olive oil. 0.99

01:00:58.120 It's not just, because most olive oil is bullshit. 0.96

01:01:00.640 Like most of it does nothing and most of it, a lot of, yeah. 0.96

01:01:02.940 So you need a very, so whatever you buy, make sure it has a third party lab test result.

01:01:07.720 Now that's, that's a lot.

01:01:10.140 But like.

01:01:10.580 But is there a brand that you tell us?

01:01:11.800 I mean, I know, or do you have this yourself that we could buy?

01:01:14.720 Do you have your own?

01:01:15.380 I do it myself because like going back to that discussion of care and trust, after playing

01:01:20.480 this game for five years, I don't trust anybody.

01:01:23.160 Yeah.

01:01:23.760 No one.

01:01:24.380 Like, I don't care what they say in marketing.

01:01:26.100 I don't care.

01:01:26.800 I just don't trust anyone.

01:01:27.740 That's how I am.

01:01:28.620 So like, yeah, I want to source it from the farm myself.

01:01:31.000 I want to test it in the third party lab.

01:01:32.420 So I just basically, I did this my whole self.

01:01:34.560 And then my friends were like, I want this too.

01:01:36.820 And I'm like, sure.

01:01:37.760 Yeah.

01:01:37.860 I was about to ask you for something.

01:01:38.780 And this is, but this is one you guys have.

01:01:40.120 It's called snake oil.

01:01:41.020 Yeah.

01:01:41.540 It's kind of a troll.

01:01:42.620 Yeah.

01:01:43.240 But yeah, it's basically, we source from both hemispheres, Southern hemisphere, Northern

01:01:47.420 hemisphere.

01:01:47.720 We always have a fresh batch.

01:01:48.780 We do third party testing.

01:01:49.880 It's high polyphenols.

01:01:51.280 So olive oil.

01:01:52.260 And also like I do a tablespoon with every meal because when you eat food, it causes

01:01:57.720 damage to your body.

01:01:59.540 Like a lot of people don't know that.

01:02:00.660 They think like food is like a good thing, which it is, but also there's a sort of, there's

01:02:04.120 damage that's associated.

01:02:05.600 So olive oil lessens that damage, like lessens some of the oxidative damage.

01:02:09.260 So that's olive oil is one.

01:02:11.300 Two is I eat a lot of legumes, like lentils, edamames, beans, a lot of vegetables, but I

01:02:17.720 steam them.

01:02:18.920 So when you, when you char something, whether it be charring vegetables or meat or something,

01:02:25.620 it builds something called AGEs.

01:02:29.060 AGEs?

01:02:29.620 Yeah.

01:02:29.800 Advanced glycated end products, which is basically just thinking of it like junk that builds

01:02:33.900 up in your, in your, in your body.

01:02:36.020 You don't want it.

01:02:37.380 Um, so I steam vegetables to lower the AGEs.

01:02:40.500 And then I eat a lot of nuts, macadamia nuts, almonds, um, walnuts.

01:02:48.200 I like walnuts.

01:02:49.520 Yeah.

01:02:50.080 Right.

01:02:50.360 Those are like the, those are good ones.

01:02:51.420 Like, uh, I don't eat cashews or peanuts.

01:02:53.800 Those are like the less valuable ones.

01:02:55.640 Those are drunkard's nuts.

01:02:56.960 Aren't they? 0.99

01:02:58.540 That's funny.

01:02:58.800 Like, oh, you're drunk here.

01:03:00.440 Yeah.

01:03:01.120 Uh, then I do a lot of, um. 0.99

01:03:03.180 And cashew just looks like it's fucking, looks like it doesn't even know what it's doing. 0.99

01:03:08.100 If you look at a cashew, bring up a cashew. 0.99

01:03:10.060 Yeah. 0.97

01:03:10.360 It looks kind of bisexual a little. 0.79

01:03:12.220 Yeah.

01:03:12.540 Which is fine.

01:03:13.620 Yeah.

01:03:14.100 But I'm just saying, it looks like it'll sleep over at anybody's house.

01:03:18.160 To me.

01:03:19.160 Yeah.

01:03:19.700 I think it's a good interpretation.

01:03:21.240 I've never heard someone riff on a cashew's appearance, but you know what?

01:03:23.820 I think you're right.

01:03:24.660 Oh, and I've never even thought about it till now, but I'm glad I'm even saying some of this.

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01:07:04.400 Yeah, I had a couple thoughts. 0.99

01:07:08.520 Theo, I wish I could say, I wish I could talk about shit like you do. 0.98

01:07:11.580 I have several thoughts I just had. 0.99

01:07:13.280 I'd like to express them, but I don't.

01:07:14.520 You know, like, I still play within a certain box of, like, what I can and cannot say, but...

01:07:19.960 And do you think it's some of that's for, like, business purposes, or you just think it's just, like, a social way that you learned?

01:07:24.520 I mean, it's like, as weird as I am, and as much elbow room as I've created in doing crazy shit, there's still some things that I would say that would alienate certain people.

01:07:37.580 And so, I do have some parameters, and so, but I, you know, if I wasn't doing this, honestly, I'd do stand-up comedy. 0.51

01:07:45.220 Really?

01:07:45.660 Oh, yeah.

01:07:46.520 Oh, yeah.

01:07:47.060 It'd be like...

01:07:48.040 Bro, that's cool.

01:07:48.820 Oh, man, it would be so much fun, because you basically, you're trying to put your finger on the thing.

01:07:56.400 Yeah.

01:07:57.440 And that's what I try to do in my life, but, like, and so, and when people, their response, of course, is, like, how good you are at putting your finger on the thing.

01:08:03.840 They already know.

01:08:04.940 Right.

01:08:05.400 But you're willing to say it, and you can string it together.

01:08:08.360 So, yeah.

01:08:08.760 But you're kind of doing that.

01:08:09.760 You're kind of like a, I mean, it's just not stand-up comedy, but you're just doing it for our health, you know?

01:08:14.220 Yeah, yeah. 0.66

01:08:14.460 And I would way rather you're this guy out there who's, like, just, who's basically riding around being his own voodoo doll and shit than have you out there, like, trying jokes, 0.99

01:08:25.340 which you may have been very successful at as well, but I'm glad you're doing what you are.

01:08:30.540 Maybe, you know, maybe it'll be a side thing or next life, but also some people might not even take you as seriously.

01:08:36.700 You know, one night I watched John Mayer.

01:08:38.240 He got up and did stand-up comedy.

01:08:39.600 Yeah.

01:08:39.880 And he's like, man, I love stand-up comedy.

01:08:41.960 I would have loved to have been a stand-up comedian.

01:08:43.640 He goes, but now I'm so known for being what I am that I can't even be this.

01:08:48.920 Yeah.

01:08:49.000 Because it just, people wouldn't accept it or wouldn't give you the same walkway into their lives as they would knowing I'm already John Mayer.

01:08:59.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:00.200 You know, like, I would love to take that on that challenge, and man, I would love.

01:09:04.260 You could have so many great jokes.

01:09:05.700 I want to make fun of myself.

01:09:07.020 Like, I'm so weird, right?

01:09:09.660 Yeah, dude, of course you are, dude.

01:09:11.960 You probably might not even have any blood in your body, dude.

01:09:14.560 But you could go to a blood draw, and they just keep drawing and drawing that are sitting there.

01:09:20.400 Like, nurses are coming out like, we don't know, you know?

01:09:23.960 I mean, oh, dude, I bet if you, have you ever been on Kill Tony?

01:09:27.300 Have you been on that show?

01:09:28.360 Oh, bro.

01:09:29.320 If you, I wonder if we, maybe next time I go in there, you and me could go.

01:09:33.440 He's this, have you ever seen it?

01:09:34.780 No.

01:09:35.420 It's this, it's like the Tonight Show now, but they do it down in Austin, and it's, and, dude, I bet people would write some jokes.

01:09:43.280 Bro, it'd be so great.

01:09:44.200 Let's do it.

01:09:44.860 That'd be so much fun.

01:09:45.860 I would, I would love to.

01:09:47.480 This is it.

01:09:48.020 It's so much fun, bro.

01:09:49.920 Every week they have it.

01:09:51.260 You would be the best on there, dude.

01:09:53.720 I went to a couple Roast Me shows, and it was pretty good.

01:09:59.820 Yeah.

01:10:00.160 Yeah.

01:10:00.800 Oh, yeah.

01:10:01.300 I really enjoy people making fun of me.

01:10:02.920 It's fun.

01:10:03.420 My buddy Adam Hunter does, I used to do a lot of those.

01:10:05.460 I know he's one of the best at it.

01:10:07.700 But Tony Hinchcliffe is really great at it, too, and that's his show, Kill Tony.

01:10:11.440 Um, okay.

01:10:12.840 Were there other things you were going to tell us about?

01:10:14.540 Some, so some other health stuff you said that your own, and you also have a, and I'm not pushing your products here, but I was given a gift of one of your products, and I haven't taken it before.

01:10:23.940 And it's a blueprint protein powder?

01:10:26.740 Yeah.

01:10:27.120 Is it a protein powder?

01:10:28.320 Is it a daily powder?

01:10:30.240 What is it?

01:10:30.900 Yeah, protein.

01:10:31.540 Okay, it's a protein powder.

01:10:32.860 And a lot of times you hear that supplements and stuff like that, a lot of that stuff just comes out in your urine.

01:10:37.540 Like, what makes this thing any different, or is it any different?

01:10:41.500 Yeah.

01:10:42.240 So the, the problem I was trying to solve is I need to eat every day somehow.

01:10:47.420 Yeah.

01:10:47.700 And I need a certain amount of protein, a certain amount of fat.

01:10:49.800 And so when I go out in the world, I'm like, where am I going to buy it?

01:10:52.720 I, who do I trust?

01:10:54.120 No one.

01:10:54.820 Yeah.

01:10:54.940 Okay, so I got to manufacture this.

01:10:56.040 So basically, like, we put together, I eat everything my company makes, because I trust it.

01:11:00.980 I, I, you know, I worked as a, in high school, I worked at a restaurant. 0.90

01:11:04.160 I was, and I saw the back kitchen operations, and I was like, damn, I'm never eating at this restaurant ever again, right? 0.54

01:11:12.160 Like, once you see it, it's, it's, it's horrifying.

01:11:16.120 Yeah, well, it's crazy when you think you're at a restaurant that you think that the people in the back are doing their best.

01:11:22.620 Because a lot of times you're, like, you'll go eat, and then I'll go work at a restaurant.

01:11:27.880 So it's like, then I'm just the person in the back.

01:11:29.980 Yeah.

01:11:30.200 And like, the, the whole idea of like, so there's like competent things going on behind the scenes that like, you can trust?

01:11:36.940 Like, no, no, like some breaks it.

01:11:38.240 So yeah, it's like blueprint.

01:11:39.140 I see exactly what happens.

01:11:41.140 That's what I want to eat.

01:11:41.700 So yeah, protein, I basically need like 130 grams a day.

01:11:45.180 And so I have to get it from somewhere.

01:11:46.300 So yeah, we, same thing.

01:11:47.560 If we source it, we third party test it.

01:11:49.660 Um, you know, we look at all the, the nutrients and the chemicals and the toxins.

01:11:54.360 So yeah, so the protein is one of the things we've built.

01:11:57.440 And so, um.

01:11:58.340 And what kind of protein powder do you recommend?

01:11:59.880 I take a plant protein right now.

01:12:01.800 That's kind of what I feel like works best with my system.

01:12:04.320 Yeah.

01:12:04.680 But, um, what, is there a type of, cause you hear different ones and new ones pop out.

01:12:09.700 And then there's like the one you're supposed to take at night.

01:12:12.420 Like, have you, what has your experience been like with protein powders?

01:12:15.060 We've been using pea and hemp.

01:12:17.140 Um, we started using pumpkin and, um.

01:12:20.840 Oh, pumpkin got something with pump. 1.00

01:12:22.460 Yeah.

01:12:22.800 Yeah.

01:12:23.100 So there's.

01:12:23.700 Dude, it should be obvious pumpkin has muscles, dude. 0.75

01:12:26.240 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:12:27.240 You look at a fucking pumpkin. 1.00

01:12:28.160 You look at a fucking flex in the, in the fields, right? 1.00

01:12:29.940 You see, you see it up there. 1.00

01:12:30.720 You're always like that.

01:12:31.460 Who's just, who's just defined?

01:12:32.640 Yeah.

01:12:32.960 Yeah.

01:12:33.740 So like we.

01:12:34.180 God.

01:12:34.700 Yes, we did that.

01:12:35.420 But you know, like.

01:12:36.520 Pea doesn't mix very well though.

01:12:38.160 Yeah, that's why.

01:12:38.660 So that's why we do the hemp combo.

01:12:40.160 Okay.

01:12:40.600 Yeah.

01:12:40.760 And it helps it?

01:12:41.400 It makes it fluffy and nice.

01:12:43.240 Because pea, sometimes I'll get it in a smoothie or something and you can't even drink it because it's not the, the solution isn't liquid enough.

01:12:49.900 Yeah.

01:12:50.160 So we do that.

01:12:50.640 But people, there's like this online thing where people say that plant-based proteins are higher in heavy metals, right?

01:12:57.480 Because there's, you can test it. 0.91

01:12:58.800 The issue with that is that the whole heavy metal discussion is so fucked up because we test all my foods. 0.83

01:13:04.280 You can go to the store and get a carrot and test that for heavy metals. 0.92

01:13:08.300 It's high in heavy metals.

01:13:09.140 And so the only reason why it's been sensational around plant-based proteins with toxins is because it's packaged food you can easily measure.

01:13:17.500 But it's harder to measure fresh food.

01:13:19.300 People don't do the work.

01:13:20.440 So like we've learned toxins are everywhere in all foods.

01:13:25.280 And so, for example, I'll give you one where I was eating these lentils and the test came back high.

01:13:30.620 And so we're like, why are lentils high in heavy metals?

01:13:33.040 Like what's going on there?

01:13:34.280 So we got a hold of the company and we're like, what's your manufacturing process?

01:13:37.840 They said, actually, we use human sludge as our fertilization.

01:13:42.100 So they're taking-

01:13:43.400 Like duty or whatever?

01:13:44.780 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:45.260 They're taking human shit because it's like a- 1.00

01:13:47.600 Who's selling it? 1.00

01:13:48.660 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:49.540 So they're using human shit to fertilize and human shit has heavy metals in it. 1.00

01:13:53.280 So then it recycles back into the food. 1.00

01:13:56.420 And so this is why I make this shit because I shouldn't say stuff. 0.98

01:14:00.480 So we want to source our own food. 0.99

01:14:03.520 We want to test it.

01:14:04.580 I want to know what I'm putting in my body.

01:14:05.820 And so we just, I've learned way too much.

01:14:08.660 I'm like, I'm so jaded now. 0.99

01:14:10.460 So the lentils, they were using human shit on their crops and it was getting into the lentils somewhat. 0.99

01:14:15.180 That's why. 0.99

01:14:15.640 Because otherwise, if you think about it, you're like, what foods naturally have high levels of blank, right?

01:14:21.280 Or like cocoa has high levels of heavy metals.

01:14:23.920 Like it has a lot of high levels of cadmium naturally.

01:14:26.240 But then people test that, like here are the brand rankings, but then glyphosate can also be present.

01:14:32.680 And so we found that the brand had the lowest levels of cadmium, had the highest levels of glyphosate by like 10x.

01:14:38.700 They had an oat filler.

01:14:40.340 So it was in the oats.

01:14:41.580 And so this is the thing is like you, once you actually take a topic and you actually slice it up to capture the nuance, it's just the conversation online is almost never right.

01:14:53.120 Like when the things that drain, that gain trendy popularity, it's almost always wrong.

01:14:58.840 And when you said that some of it almost is negligible then, because at a certain point, just overall, we are in a very tough spot with what is in our foods no matter what.

01:15:08.760 100%.

01:15:09.040 Like this I'm saying, like it is, I don't, people are going to feel stressed about this conversation.

01:15:13.880 So I want to like make sure we close.

01:15:15.200 Yeah, I agree.

01:15:15.980 I want to give like a few tips where people can regain control of their life.

01:15:20.160 Okay.

01:15:20.480 Because I don't want to terrify.

01:15:21.340 I know it's terrifying.

01:15:22.440 Well, one of the things that I even, I think you've already done is that's why you're saying like, okay, you may have this diet.

01:15:28.360 If you have an olive oil that you take when you're eating, that it will lessen the effects of your diet on your system at the time.

01:15:35.720 So, and those are the types of things that are kind of important.

01:15:38.460 It's like, okay, well, I know that even if some stuff I know is going to be not great for me, how do I at least just mitigate what's going on while our science hopefully gets, you know, uncompromised, while our food system hopefully gets uncompromised and we're able to get back into a better place.

01:15:55.140 But you were saying, uh, there are some things you want them to take away.

01:15:58.740 Yeah.

01:15:58.840 Okay, cool.

01:15:59.180 So here's like, uh, in short, um, this, this list of things will hopefully help people feel empowered and not anxious.

01:16:07.900 So yes, there's like all kinds of shit to be aware of, but if you focus on these things, so one is I've learned out of all the things I've measured out of, I literally have like billions of data points in my body over the past five years.

01:16:21.360 If you distill that and say how many are useful signal, probably a few hundred million, but it's the largest data set in human history. 0.95

01:16:27.660 The thing I care about the most is what is my heart rate before bed?

01:16:33.720 It is like the most useful biomarker and it's so easy because it's free.

01:16:37.780 So if you have a wearable, you can just pull up your phone, see what you're wearing, what your mark, so you go, you lay down on your bed, take a few deep breaths and you calm yourself down.

01:16:45.980 And then you see a number, let's say it's like 55 beats a minute or 60.

01:16:50.140 Your goal in life now is to lower your heart rate.

01:16:52.940 So you say you start off at 60 in a month from now, be at 55.

01:16:56.200 And so the way you do that one is you have your final meal of the day four hours before bed.

01:17:02.520 Yeah, I know.

01:17:03.120 I know.

01:17:03.400 I hear you.

01:17:04.100 And no snacks.

01:17:05.780 No, it's not no food.

01:17:07.080 So if your bedtime to 10 at 6 p.m., you're done.

01:17:10.260 There we go.

01:17:10.520 That's a great chart.

01:17:11.340 Got it.

01:17:11.560 So these are the things.

01:17:13.260 So when you increase your heart rate before bed, it wrecks your sleep.

01:17:18.220 When you don't sleep well, your willpower falls off a cliff.

01:17:22.700 So the next morning when you're trying to decide, do you eat the croissant or the donut for breakfast or not?

01:17:28.800 If you haven't slept well, you're like 90% more likely to eat the donut or the croissant.

01:17:33.620 Wow.

01:17:33.820 If you slept well, you have a little juice in the system.

01:17:36.520 You're like, you know what?

01:17:37.240 No, it's not good for me.

01:17:38.420 And I'm going to exercise, which then also increases your willpower.

01:17:41.840 So you get in this really positive loop.

01:17:44.420 So it all starts with sleep.

01:17:46.780 And sleep is determined by your heart rate.

01:17:49.900 So, for example, like so four hours before bed, that is going to lower.

01:17:53.900 So when you have that distance, it allows your body to digest the food.

01:17:58.340 It allows your body to say, I'm going to get ready for bed.

01:18:00.960 So it lowers your body temperature, lowers cortisol, increases melatonin.

01:18:05.320 So your body's in a much better state to go to sleep and stay in deep sleep.

01:18:08.400 The second thing is your phone needs to be off an hour before bed.

01:18:14.280 You can't be in bed scrolling, working, texting.

01:18:17.580 You need the separation because your body, the phone in hand, is going to increase your cortisol,

01:18:23.240 increase your sympathetic activation.

01:18:24.940 You'll be more anxious.

01:18:26.340 And so you need an hour of separation.

01:18:27.600 Instead of the phone, go for a walk, talk to a friend, hang out, like breath work, meditation,

01:18:32.920 read a book, like anything but be on your phone.

01:18:35.040 That will lower your heart rate.

01:18:36.540 And there's other small things, like I do this nighttime discussion where I go to bed at 8.30.

01:18:43.640 At 7.30 p.m., sleep Brian comes on duty.

01:18:47.960 And sleep Brian is a version of me that defends my sleep.

01:18:51.300 And so all the Brian's line up.

01:18:53.720 So ambitious Brian lines up.

01:18:55.320 He's always the first one.

01:18:56.460 He wants to work. 0.97

01:18:57.160 And he's like, I got a fucking banger idea, right? 0.95

01:18:59.760 A brand new thing we're going to do. 0.96

01:19:01.700 And sleep Brian says, we see you, ambitious Brian.

01:19:04.640 Like, you're doing a good job in life.

01:19:06.540 Keep at it, man.

01:19:07.800 Also, we're getting ready for bed.

01:19:09.680 So we're going to write down your idea.

01:19:10.800 And then tomorrow, we'll come back to it.

01:19:13.040 And ambitious Brian's like, are you sure?

01:19:14.800 And sleep Brian's like, yeah, yeah, we got you.

01:19:16.660 So then he goes away.

01:19:17.720 Then anxious Brian shows up.

01:19:19.120 And he's like, yo, today when you were with Theo, you said that thing. 0.99

01:19:22.440 And you were a jackass to him, right? 0.98

01:19:24.400 It's like, thank you, anxious Brian. 1.00

01:19:26.180 Great self-awareness.

01:19:27.300 Appreciate you.

01:19:28.320 We're going to write that down.

01:19:29.060 We're going to hit Theo up tomorrow.

01:19:30.100 Make sure we're all good.

01:19:31.440 And then like, all the Brian's line up.

01:19:32.780 And so, you know this.

01:19:34.520 And even Brian ever show up.

01:19:36.320 He's like, hey, let's stay up.

01:19:38.720 All the time.

01:19:39.500 Yeah.

01:19:39.940 Yeah.

01:19:40.520 Dude, this Brian is freaking, leave me alone, Brian.

01:19:43.480 Yeah.

01:19:43.980 So you'll see this.

01:19:44.860 Like, whether you do this or something else, the way this manifests is, if you don't do

01:19:50.060 this, you put your head on the pillow and then you loop, right?

01:19:54.480 Like you have these thoughts that just like go and go and go and they're the same thoughts.

01:19:58.700 And then you finally fall asleep.

01:20:00.440 You wake up three hours later.

01:20:02.140 There they are again, looping.

01:20:03.800 And so they cause your heart rate to go up, which causes your sleep to go down, which crashes

01:20:08.640 your willpower, which crashes everything else.

01:20:10.720 So by doing this like internal harvesting, like you're trying to clean up, you're lowering

01:20:16.600 your heart rate.

01:20:17.340 You're settling yourself down.

01:20:18.620 You're getting to some point of reconciliation.

01:20:19.920 So now you've not eaten for four hours, you've got off your phone and you've got some kind

01:20:25.500 of internal balance.

01:20:27.700 Now you're ready to think, I can put my head on the pillow and have a decent shot at a

01:20:33.000 banger night's sleep.

01:20:34.140 And so basically I built my entire life around sleep. 0.98

01:20:36.580 Now, if you focus on that, it's just like so much of life is just not doing bad shit. 0.95

01:20:44.200 Right? 0.92

01:20:44.680 This is like what we talked about before of like, whether you're happy or not in life

01:20:48.580 is how much you're doing, which you actually don't want to do.

01:20:53.240 Yeah.

01:20:54.980 And then like all the other stuff, like all these little things about this and that, like

01:20:57.920 don't worry about it yet.

01:20:58.900 Just get sleep in place, get these basic habits in place.

01:21:02.200 Your sleep is going to make you feel great.

01:21:03.900 And then once you get that in a steady place, you can start layering on good habits.

01:21:07.900 But if you take on too many things, you'll feel overwhelmed.

01:21:11.380 Yeah.

01:21:12.080 So like get that in place.

01:21:13.020 That's like the winner.

01:21:14.420 Dude, it's like there's nothing better than...

01:21:18.580 Than when you like, oh, I'm going to sleep.

01:21:22.380 Man, it almost...

01:21:23.320 How's your sleep?

01:21:24.320 What'd you say?

01:21:25.040 How's your sleep?

01:21:25.740 My sleep's okay.

01:21:26.960 It's not that great.

01:21:27.660 A lot of times I stay up editing, but I also have gotten trapped into a late pattern.

01:21:32.800 So it's like I could get up earlier.

01:21:34.400 It's just like I have to line it up earlier.

01:21:36.200 I could get up earlier, get rid of like the working out, the meditation.

01:21:42.760 You know, I'll do like some Zoom, like recovery meeting stuff.

01:21:46.360 And then all that's out of my head.

01:21:49.520 Yeah.

01:21:50.100 And now the rest of my day feels more...

01:21:51.940 It feels easier no matter what I'm doing, as opposed to these things being later in the day

01:21:57.260 and that I still have to do them.

01:21:59.140 That's one of the biggest traps I set myself up for is procrastinating like the toughest

01:22:03.900 things right out of the gate.

01:22:05.260 And they even get easier over time.

01:22:08.060 Yeah, that's right.

01:22:09.140 But like today I got up, I sauna.

01:22:10.460 I do sauna a lot.

01:22:11.380 That is one thing that I like doing.

01:22:13.000 It just makes me feel activated.

01:22:16.920 And not everybody can have a sauna at home.

01:22:19.020 You know, I don't have like a very fancy one.

01:22:20.600 There's a lot of different affordable ones, actually.

01:22:23.560 But that's something that I noticed has helped me a lot.

01:22:28.440 Are you icing your boys in the sauna?

01:22:30.280 Am I icing my body?

01:22:31.400 Your boys.

01:22:32.080 My nuts?

01:22:32.620 Yeah.

01:22:33.060 Nuh-uh.

01:22:33.760 It's a good idea.

01:22:34.480 You ice them in the sauna?

01:22:35.560 Yeah.

01:22:36.000 Whoa, whoa.

01:22:36.560 What do you mean?

01:22:37.120 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:37.600 So we did an experiment. 0.97

01:22:39.920 So when the testicles get warm, it has all these negative consequences.

01:22:46.540 So it destroys your fertility markers.

01:22:50.080 And so what you can do is on Amazon, you can buy like $8 ice packs.

01:22:56.100 They're BPA-free, non-toxic.

01:22:59.200 Put them in the freezer and then just slide them underneath your cotton.

01:23:02.660 So wear cotton underwear and cotton shorts.

01:23:04.780 Put them in between the underwear and the shorts

01:23:07.060 and just have them there for the entire session of the sauna

01:23:09.920 session.

01:23:10.760 But we did this.

01:23:11.660 I did the most measured sauna experiment in history.

01:23:16.760 We measured like 250 biomarkers. 0.99

01:23:18.880 And we did ice on my testicles. 0.97

01:23:21.420 And we took it off. 0.86

01:23:22.680 And it annihilated my fertility markers.

01:23:25.000 Now, a lot of people will say like,

01:23:26.080 I don't care about that because I'm not trying to get pregnant or whatever.

01:23:28.480 But it has a whole bunch of negative feedback loop.

01:23:30.940 Like it's a negative feedback loop.

01:23:31.740 You don't want to annihilate them.

01:23:33.000 You want good fertility markers, even if you're trying to have a baby. 0.78

01:23:36.020 Yeah, you want your brain to feel like you're just alive.

01:23:39.220 Ready to roll. 0.98

01:23:39.820 Yeah, if your brain starts feeling like, oh, these nuts are useless or whatever. 0.97

01:23:42.360 Your brain's like, then what am I sticking around for? 0.73

01:23:44.060 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:44.440 What's my job?

01:23:44.880 Yeah, my job.

01:23:45.400 Exactly.

01:23:45.960 Dang, dude.

01:23:46.820 Now, what if you just pour a little bit of cold water on your nuts every now and then?

01:23:49.680 Is that, you think that'd be okay?

01:23:50.880 I mean, you could, but you got to keep the water cold.

01:23:54.280 You got to make sure you keep the temperature.

01:23:55.840 Like as long as you get the temperature low, like whatever you do.

01:23:59.220 And then after you do it, you know, just clean it with like a hydrogen peroxide or something,

01:24:03.860 you know, and then put it back in the freezer.

01:24:06.280 But yeah, I know it's like, it's uncomfortable to do it socially.

01:24:10.360 Like you go out to like a public place and it's like, who's the weird person putting, 0.86

01:24:13.840 you know, the ice pack on their balls, you know?

01:24:15.480 But like it legit is, it's good science and it's a good practice.

01:24:20.400 So keeping them cool, even if you had to go to the water, to go to the ice machine,

01:24:24.200 get you a little sack of ice and just set them on there while you're in there.

01:24:26.620 That works. 0.99

01:24:26.840 Anything you can do to keep your ice, your testicles cold. 0.99

01:24:29.740 Wow. 0.99

01:24:30.620 Is the sauna, is there a certain type of sauna that you really recommend or something that

01:24:34.660 works differently?

01:24:35.920 There's ones now like, I actually was thinking about getting like an infrared panel put into

01:24:39.820 my sauna.

01:24:40.460 Do you find that there's any help with that sort of thing?

01:24:42.820 I know that's kind of two different questions.

01:24:44.160 Yeah.

01:24:44.440 The, the best evidence is with a dry sauna.

01:24:48.820 And so there's wet, dry and infrared and wet.

01:24:53.000 The problem is it heats up your skin faster than your core temperature.

01:24:56.700 You try to get your core temperature up.

01:24:58.520 So dry sauna and infrared rarely hits the temperature levels you want.

01:25:02.720 So the best evidence is you want to be between 174 Fahrenheit to 212 Fahrenheit.

01:25:08.640 Oh my God, bro.

01:25:09.800 That's warm.

01:25:10.660 That's your window.

01:25:11.260 And then you want to, so what, so what we're doing now is, um, one of the primary benefits

01:25:16.480 of, of the sauna is when you go in there, your core body temperature, when it gets to

01:25:20.520 about 102 degrees Fahrenheit, it triggers the release of heat shock proteins.

01:25:25.080 So these are like, um, little machines, protein machines that get spun up and they go around 0.98

01:25:30.780 and fix shit. 0.98

01:25:31.460 They fix broken proteins. 1.00

01:25:33.080 Like minions.

01:25:33.900 Yeah.

01:25:34.280 Like they're like flooding your body, doing good stuff, but it only gets triggered when

01:25:39.140 your core body temperature hits a certain level.

01:25:40.820 And so if you're not hot enough to sauna, so they're, but they're very hard to measure.

01:25:45.520 So we're currently setting up a lab, uh, a wet lab in my house.

01:25:48.740 We can measure this.

01:25:49.660 We're going to try to measure my heat shock protein release on various temperatures, various

01:25:54.500 durations.

01:25:55.380 So what we've been looking, cause I've been doing core, uh, temperature out of my ear

01:25:59.280 lately, but you can't, the, the gold standard measurement is rectal, but you've got to do that. 0.99

01:26:04.860 You've got to like be inside the ass for like two to three minutes with a long probe. 0.99

01:26:12.260 That's farm work. 0.99

01:26:14.340 So I'm struggling with that one.

01:26:16.400 Like I do, I do, I do a lot of stuff, but like, man, I was like, guys, can we find an

01:26:20.120 alternative way of doing this?

01:26:21.220 So we're going to do blood.

01:26:22.660 We're going to measure heat shock protein release.

01:26:24.860 Cause that's like the good, good stuff.

01:26:26.200 But yeah, like basically dry sauna, somewhere between 174 and 212 Fahrenheit for 20 minutes

01:26:31.980 is like a good starting point.

01:26:33.820 And then, uh, ice on the boys.

01:26:37.220 Ice on the boys while you're in there.

01:26:39.160 And you want to stay in that sauna for, you said for 15 to 20 minutes above 170 degrees.

01:26:44.280 Yeah.

01:26:44.540 That's like a good approximation.

01:26:46.000 That's where the evidence is.

01:26:47.020 It's like, if you're in that range, you're getting some benefit.

01:26:50.540 I'm trying to go for like max, max benefit.

01:26:52.860 But like, if you're in that temperature range for that duration of time, you're going to

01:26:55.820 get a good benefit.

01:26:56.820 Wow.

01:26:57.660 That's fascinating, dude.

01:26:59.720 Um, yeah.

01:27:00.740 Cause I, and my, my step-sister just got me a sauna hat.

01:27:03.820 To wear in the sauna too.

01:27:05.460 So that's good.

01:27:06.240 Yeah.

01:27:06.320 The heat will dry out your scalp.

01:27:07.700 Yep.

01:27:08.140 Yeah.

01:27:08.420 It just seems kind of nice to, you know, it's nice to have a little bit of like a fashion

01:27:11.840 accoutrement in there kind of, it's made of hemp, uh, hemp material.

01:27:15.180 Yeah.

01:27:15.340 Probably something like that.

01:27:16.220 Yeah.

01:27:16.620 Yeah.

01:27:16.940 One thing we're trying to make an underwear that's just all cotton, right.

01:27:19.480 And it's American cotton.

01:27:20.700 One of the things I noticed too on underwear, the, the night band, sometimes the waistband,

01:27:25.040 it's too tight and it makes you go pee all night.

01:27:27.060 Yeah.

01:27:27.520 Yeah.

01:27:27.940 So it's like, you got to wake up an extra time or sometimes too, like if I wear some of

01:27:31.720 these ones that are really constricting, I'm like, yeah.

01:27:34.020 So I don't know.

01:27:35.260 I've just been trying to think about making a decent pair of, uh, uh, britches, bro. 0.99

01:27:39.600 Something to hide your cock in or whatever. 1.00

01:27:42.420 While you're sleeping, bro. 1.00

01:27:43.760 I hear you, man.

01:27:44.400 This is a serious problem.

01:27:45.700 Yeah, dude.

01:27:46.620 It's crazy.

01:27:48.080 Um, I saw that you went viral not long ago for posting. 0.97

01:27:51.340 It was like, uh, nighttime erection data. 0.84

01:27:54.340 Yeah.

01:27:54.680 Take me down that, uh, take me down that Wiener road for a second.

01:27:58.120 Yeah.

01:27:58.140 Yeah.

01:27:58.880 Ryan, what did you, what did you see here? 0.92

01:28:00.440 Nighttime erection data from my 19 year old son. 0.96

01:28:03.680 Yeah. 0.64

01:28:04.160 And this is definitely, I mean, that's one way to build, uh, that's bonding.

01:28:08.620 That's bonding, dude.

01:28:10.540 Um, nighttime erection data from my 19 year old son, uh, Talmadge Johnson and me. 0.51

01:28:16.020 His duration is two minutes longer than mine. 0.96

01:28:18.740 Wow.

01:28:19.420 Yeah.

01:28:19.660 Uh, raise children to stand tall, be firm and be upright.

01:28:23.680 That's hilarious.

01:28:24.920 Yeah.

01:28:25.220 I noticed you and your son, do you, he gets involved in a lot of this, right?

01:28:28.100 Yeah.

01:28:28.380 He, he's so cool.

01:28:29.880 He's such a cool cat.

01:28:30.940 He, uh, he's my second, uh, child and, um, he and I are just best friends.

01:28:36.420 We roll and man, like we're like, we're just twins.

01:28:40.300 Like we just like, you know, with Kate, um, man, I love this kid so much.

01:28:46.020 We have so much fun together.

01:28:47.640 Yeah.

01:28:48.040 What makes him so special to you?

01:28:49.100 I mean, it's your son.

01:28:50.020 So that's one thing.

01:28:51.420 He, there he is.

01:28:53.500 I mean, that's cool.

01:28:54.920 Like he's in shape, huh?

01:28:57.380 Who, who would do this with their dad?

01:29:00.460 It's a good dude.

01:29:01.740 That's actually the perfect answer.

01:29:05.060 Maybe Voldemort's son or whatever.

01:29:07.100 You know, I'm just joking.

01:29:09.280 I'm just joking.

01:29:10.140 Thomas.

01:29:10.500 No, but no, you're right.

01:29:11.940 Who would be like, yeah.

01:29:13.300 Who would do anything with their dad?

01:29:15.020 Look at like the lower left.

01:29:17.160 He's, I have my shirt off.

01:29:18.440 Yeah.

01:29:18.740 He's hugging me.

01:29:19.580 Like we're doing a shirtless skin to skin photo shoot.

01:29:22.680 Like what father son does that?

01:29:24.940 Seems pretty tribal.

01:29:26.860 Yeah.

01:29:27.020 I mean, he's, he's, he's like, and so like we're there, we did a blood transplant.

01:29:30.640 So he gave me his plasma.

01:29:32.580 I gave my dad, my plasma.

01:29:34.160 We did like a tri-generational thing.

01:29:35.720 And is that, was there any helpful stuff in that?

01:29:38.720 Yeah.

01:29:38.880 So my, this, the origin behind that is my dad called me in a panic and he said like, I,

01:29:44.220 he's, I just wrote this thing for work.

01:29:45.880 I stepped away from my, my desk, came back to it.

01:29:49.620 It was gibberish.

01:29:50.820 He's like, I'm, I'm freaking out.

01:29:54.000 And so that day my team and I had a call about plasma exchanges.

01:29:57.880 Like the idea of you, like there was a study where a old mouse and a young mouse were

01:30:02.000 sewed together and they, they shared a circulatory system.

01:30:04.840 The old mouse got younger.

01:30:06.140 They were sewn together.

01:30:07.080 Yeah.

01:30:07.320 Like they shared a system. 0.99

01:30:08.800 That's kind of a shitty, shitty mouse, right? 0.99

01:30:10.700 Like to be that mouse in that experiment. 1.00

01:30:12.680 But the old mouse got younger.

01:30:14.660 And so there was this idea, like what's happening, right?

01:30:17.480 Could you replicate the results there by taking plasma that is youthful and give it to someone

01:30:23.520 that is older?

01:30:24.920 And so my, I was like, dad, if you want to do this, I'm happy to give you my plasma.

01:30:30.220 Like, you know, cause there were some studies being shown.

01:30:32.220 Yeah.

01:30:32.520 And then you siphoned Talmadge anyway.

01:30:34.120 You're like, so he, he heard, he heard me, Talmadge heard us talking about it.

01:30:39.180 He's like, Hey, like, if you want me in, like, I'm, I'm happy to be in.

01:30:43.160 I'm like, you guys, this is perfect.

01:30:44.680 The tri-generational plasma exchange. 1.00

01:30:46.520 That shit's dope, dude. 1.00

01:30:48.200 Yeah. 1.00

01:30:48.440 So we did it.

01:30:49.200 And it's interesting that my dad, his speed of aging, it's like, there's a clock inside

01:30:53.760 your body of how fast or how slow you're aging.

01:30:55.380 His speed of aging dropped by the equivalent of 25 years.

01:30:59.220 So his body had a dramatic reduction of how fast it was aging from getting my plasma.

01:31:05.360 How were you able to quantify that?

01:31:07.320 Looking at something called DNA methylation.

01:31:09.740 So your body basically has these chemical signatures of like, what does your body look

01:31:14.300 like?

01:31:14.560 A 13 year old, a 20 year old, a 45 year old.

01:31:16.880 It's like an emergent science.

01:31:17.900 So it is like metadata almost.

01:31:19.240 Yeah, exactly.

01:31:20.080 And so like, it's a new area of science.

01:31:22.100 It's still emerging.

01:31:22.700 It's not yet gold standard.

01:31:24.040 So like, you know, it's not like the, like blood work is a gold standard marker, but this

01:31:28.620 is cool.

01:31:29.320 And so, yeah, my dad's metadata changed dramatically.

01:31:34.160 My biomarkers didn't.

01:31:35.680 So when, when my son Talmadge gave me his plasma, my biomarkers did not change, which like makes

01:31:40.720 sense because my biomarkers are already like his, we're already of comparable health,

01:31:45.020 but my dad's are not as good as mine.

01:31:47.080 So, but yeah, that was the, behind that.

01:31:49.420 So like my son, yeah, like he.

01:31:50.820 That's cool.

01:31:51.400 Yeah.

01:31:51.760 But like, he's, he's, um, he's a yes and guy.

01:31:54.740 Oh, nice.

01:31:55.520 So like anything I say or anything I do, he's always like, dad.

01:31:58.620 Yeah.

01:31:58.960 And you know, like when I did the live stream mushrooms, he's like, I'm in and I want to

01:32:03.240 hang out with you.

01:32:03.960 And so he's just like, he's such a cool dude. 0.87

01:32:06.520 Um, I want to talk about the mushroom stuff and I'll, but take me back to the erections.

01:32:10.720 Uh, what, and that's the only time I'll ever say that probably. 0.99

01:32:17.280 It's like the time you were gay. 1.00

01:32:18.800 Yeah.

01:32:19.620 You never know. 0.91

01:32:20.440 Everyone's a little gay for one. 1.00

01:32:21.720 Oh, dude. 0.98

01:32:22.380 People's all a little bit gay, bro. 1.00

01:32:24.080 You fucking tickle anybody. 1.00

01:32:25.940 If you tickle somebody hard enough, they'll admit it. 1.00

01:32:28.080 Yeah.

01:32:28.460 Yeah.

01:32:28.840 Um, what did you notice about erections?

01:32:31.540 Yeah.

01:32:31.640 What did you guys find out here?

01:32:32.820 Cause you and your son both took this.

01:32:34.980 Is it a test?

01:32:36.020 What did you guys do to study it?

01:32:37.440 Yeah.

01:32:37.620 So there's like, the idea behind this is, um, how do you tell if somebody is in good

01:32:43.080 health, right?

01:32:44.140 You can like, look, you can look at them.

01:32:45.840 It's like, what is the skin quality?

01:32:47.140 Like what are their muscles?

01:32:48.260 Are they aerobically fit?

01:32:49.860 Um, it turns out that nighttime erections for men is a major marker for health.

01:32:56.280 And that if a man is not having erections at night, when he's asleep, it's representative 0.86

01:33:01.460 of much larger problems in the body.

01:33:03.860 But after, before we did this, nobody talked about this idea, but every night you go to

01:33:08.180 bed, uh, your body goes to a natural process of erection cycles.

01:33:12.840 So men have between three and five erections every single night.

01:33:16.500 It's not sexual.

01:33:17.900 Your body is just like pulsing the system.

01:33:20.520 Females have the same thing. 1.00

01:33:21.660 So females also have, uh, these arousal cycles that are clitoris and gorges that they, 1.00

01:33:26.160 you know, so, so you can, we can measure a man's erections. 0.97

01:33:29.860 So we have this little device you put on the base of the penis and you go to sleep. 0.97

01:33:33.700 You think it's annoying, but it's actually fine. 0.98

01:33:35.100 You don't even feel it.

01:33:36.100 And you wake up in the morning and it gives you a readout.

01:33:38.220 How many erections you had, how long they were, and then the strength, the erections.

01:33:42.680 And what it's basically doing is it's telling you the health of your cardiovascular system,

01:33:48.320 your psychological health, and your physiological health. 0.99

01:33:50.960 So if you're, if your dick is broken, something else is broken about you. 0.98

01:33:55.580 And you can also use it as an age marker because as you age, uh, like a healthy 18 year old 0.99

01:34:00.840 will have something like two and a half hours of nighttime erections.

01:34:04.480 Josh.

01:34:04.980 And by the time you get to 70 years old, it's down to like 51 minutes.

01:34:08.520 So it declines with age.

01:34:10.100 Papa's still rocking though.

01:34:11.240 Yeah.

01:34:11.320 So mine are, uh, my, my best is like three hours and 52 minutes.

01:34:16.880 In one night?

01:34:17.460 Yeah.

01:34:17.680 So I'm at the 99.9 percentile for nighttime erections.

01:34:22.600 And this is a cool marker because like people can, can look at me and say, bro, you still

01:34:27.480 look 48. 0.99

01:34:28.620 I don't think any of your shit's working. 0.99

01:34:29.960 And the way to counteract that is when you go to bed, your body just doesn't like, I 1.00

01:34:36.740 can't change if I have erections and I don't know. 0.91

01:34:38.440 I can't think about having sex. 0.98

01:34:40.340 Like your body just does it.

01:34:41.740 So it basically is a question of like, my body is behaving like an 18 year old, like

01:34:47.700 better than an average 18 year old.

01:34:48.940 Yeah.

01:34:49.440 And so that's like a good marker of like, is my stuff working or not?

01:34:53.340 Yeah.

01:34:53.860 Like, so that's what this whole idea is.

01:34:55.840 So I actually, I was teaching my son, like, I was like, Hey man, how are you doing?

01:34:58.580 He goes, as a good father would want his son to be healthy.

01:35:01.120 And he's like, I want to measure it.

01:35:02.780 So, so he's a very healthy 18 year old.

01:35:05.420 And I was trying to demonstrate that, you know, I'm 48 years old.

01:35:07.920 He's, he's a 20, uh, our bodies basically are behaving the same.

01:35:14.560 So, uh, yeah, people like, you know, I definitely had a lot to say about this post.

01:35:18.900 Yeah.

01:35:19.040 Well, it's, I mean, it's pretty fascinating.

01:35:21.220 You know, when you think about that, you had 34 million views on this.

01:35:24.640 It'd be like, that's not even like it went so much more viral than that.

01:35:28.340 That's insane, bro.

01:35:29.820 Yeah.

01:35:30.540 Yeah.

01:35:30.880 But dang, also it's a great business card for your son in the dating world.

01:35:36.300 Yeah.

01:35:36.620 Like, you know what?

01:35:37.940 Yeah.

01:35:38.140 Yeah.

01:35:38.540 Yeah.

01:35:38.900 Or the longevity world.

01:35:40.160 I mean, it's just like, yeah, if that's something that's just like, it's your nature that it's

01:35:43.600 going to show up at night.

01:35:44.740 Cause yeah, I noticed that I definitely, if I wake up with an erection, I do feel more like, 0.51

01:35:48.240 yeah.

01:35:48.500 Okay.

01:35:48.820 I'm viral or very, very real.

01:35:51.060 Yeah.

01:35:51.180 Yeah.

01:35:51.400 Yeah.

01:35:51.580 And I'm rocking, you know, and I still got it.

01:35:54.240 You know what I'm saying?

01:35:55.060 And bring on the day.

01:35:56.260 Yeah.

01:35:56.560 Like you remember feel like when you were like early teens.

01:35:59.820 Oh yeah.

01:36:00.620 You're always erect.

01:36:01.780 Like in the middle of the day you have, you just become erect.

01:36:05.560 Yeah.

01:36:05.840 I remember walking down the hall and having to like lean my body inward.

01:36:08.720 Like, cause you are like walk with your, just book over.

01:36:11.560 Yes.

01:36:12.220 Yeah.

01:36:12.380 Holding your book back and wearing your book back on the front.

01:36:14.520 Yeah.

01:36:14.940 Or just, um, or I'd walk in like just at school, I would just point my body towards the wall 0.96

01:36:20.720 and just walk sideways and shit. 1.00

01:36:21.980 Just weird shit. 1.00

01:36:22.860 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:36:23.720 Just cocking around.

01:36:25.040 That's like a robust function.

01:36:27.940 But then as you, as you age, right, they just disappear.

01:36:30.660 Yeah.

01:36:30.960 And so that's why it's so important.

01:36:31.800 So I talk about it because people who don't have, men who do not, do not have robust nighttime

01:36:36.160 erections are 70% more likely to have a cardiac event.

01:36:39.600 So like you, like you really want to know if it's not working, like all their stuff is

01:36:45.120 going on.

01:36:45.700 And so, yeah.

01:36:46.400 Wow.

01:36:47.120 A lot of my, yeah, there was a long time I didn't because a lot of it was psychological

01:36:50.840 too.

01:36:51.580 I think I was just, there was something going on in my head that wasn't healthy.

01:36:55.220 Um, you had mentioned, uh, you had an experience.

01:36:59.720 I have to pee really quick now.

01:37:02.320 We just took a urine break.

01:37:04.100 Dude, I pee long when I pee, dude.

01:37:05.840 Cause I drink a lot of fluids during the day.

01:37:07.800 Yeah.

01:37:07.900 Is that good or bad?

01:37:09.260 You think, does it matter?

01:37:10.140 Yeah.

01:37:10.640 Yeah.

01:37:10.860 Do you cut off fluids at a certain time at the end of the day?

01:37:13.640 So you don't wake up to pee at night?

01:37:15.520 Yeah.

01:37:15.760 So I, like I measure what I did is I measured, uh, my fluid.

01:37:19.180 So when I exercise and when I'm in the sauna, I'm able to exercise how much I measure how

01:37:23.920 much I sweat.

01:37:24.540 So Gatorade has a patch, just put it on the inside of your forearm and then it gives you

01:37:29.140 how much you sweat and also the content of your sodium.

01:37:32.640 So you have like a kind of a baseline.

01:37:33.880 And then you have an idea of like, you can back into how much should you consume and

01:37:39.060 should you supplement with the sodium or do you already have that?

01:37:41.700 So yeah, I consume about, about 120 to 130 ounces of water per day.

01:37:46.100 So a lot like you, I front load it in the morning and I stop around four to five.

01:37:52.280 So yeah.

01:37:52.960 So that then helps me, uh, less than the number of times I need to get up.

01:37:56.320 So sometimes if I'm lucky, I'll sleep the entire night.

01:37:58.940 And then other times like probably half the nights, you know, I'll get up once.

01:38:03.620 Um, but yeah, I tried to stop fluid, uh, towards the end of the day to stop getting

01:38:07.960 up at night.

01:38:08.460 So you'll stop it kind of right after you eat dinner?

01:38:10.420 Yeah.

01:38:10.780 So I, well, actually I eat dinner at like 11 a.m.

01:38:13.960 Noon.

01:38:14.380 I have my final meal the day around noon.

01:38:16.960 Oh, you do?

01:38:17.800 Yeah.

01:38:18.380 And when do you have your first meal then?

01:38:20.480 Uh, when I wake up at six.

01:38:21.660 Okay.

01:38:21.980 I wake up like at four or five, like four or five.

01:38:23.960 And then I'll have breakfast before I eat.

01:38:25.840 So you eat breakfast.

01:38:27.140 Yeah.

01:38:27.380 It's like so many things that are like, don't eat breakfast.

01:38:29.680 I feel better when I don't eat breakfast and I eat later in the day and I keep it into

01:38:33.000 a smaller eating window, but you don't, that's not your practice.

01:38:36.300 Yeah.

01:38:36.620 Like do your thing, right?

01:38:37.480 Like you're saying, do your thing.

01:38:38.460 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:38.980 I do your thing.

01:38:39.640 But I like what I, I built my life around sleep, like unquestionably.

01:38:45.700 So the reason I do that is because if I have my last meal around noon, my heart before

01:38:51.520 I go to bed will be around 41, 42, 43 beats per minute.

01:38:55.720 Um, which, um, if I have that, I will have a perfect night sleep.

01:39:00.020 I'll get like four to four and a half hours of, uh, for sort of sleep.

01:39:03.380 I'll fall asleep within one minute.

01:39:05.740 Um, I'll, you know, half the nights I will not get up other nights.

01:39:10.480 I'll wake up, I'll be back to sleep within like a minute or two.

01:39:12.640 Um, and so, um, yeah.

01:39:14.460 And then once I have that kind of sleep profile, like I feel like I can take on life when I

01:39:19.680 don't sleep well, it just, it's like, oh man, it sucks.

01:39:23.160 I hate, I hate how I feel.

01:39:25.060 Everything goes downhill.

01:39:26.300 Everything does the way I treat other people, the way I treat myself.

01:39:29.160 Like you're saying, last night's sleep was bad.

01:39:31.380 Might as well wreck the rest of the day.

01:39:32.760 You know, there's this, there's this like regenerative thing that sort of continues to

01:39:37.420 happen.

01:39:38.180 Yeah.

01:39:38.400 Um, do you, uh, take any supplements for sleeping?

01:39:42.680 Um, I take 300 MCGs of melatonin.

01:39:47.040 So that's not to be confused with a milligram.

01:39:50.320 It is like a third of a milligram.

01:39:51.800 Okay.

01:39:52.040 So very, very light dose.

01:39:53.360 That's all I take.

01:39:54.240 And a powder or chewable or what?

01:39:55.640 Just, uh, I take a plant-based melatonin.

01:39:58.340 Yeah.

01:39:59.040 Um, instead of synthetic, but otherwise like, you know, people have their sleep stacks.

01:40:02.360 They have like the magnesiums and like cool, but I just don't need it.

01:40:06.460 Um, yeah.

01:40:07.320 What I've learned is that the body is a clock.

01:40:11.480 It loves consistency.

01:40:13.680 And so we've measured this where your body wants to run.

01:40:18.300 They run certain biochemical processes on certain timeframe.

01:40:21.020 So for example, if your bedtime is 10 PM and you miss it, you say like, I'm going to go

01:40:27.800 to bed at 2 AM today, but I'll make up for it.

01:40:30.300 I'll sleep in until 10.

01:40:31.560 I get my full eight hours.

01:40:32.600 It doesn't work like that.

01:40:33.740 So at 10 PM, your body has a trash collector that rolls to the body and it picks up the

01:40:40.100 trash.

01:40:40.900 If you're not in bed at 10 PM and asleep, the trash collector doesn't come and the trash 0.92

01:40:46.320 accumulates in the body.

01:40:47.160 And so it's more important to be on time and consistent.

01:40:51.480 Otherwise like the body's processes can't do its thing.

01:40:54.200 So that's what I've learned.

01:40:55.140 It's like, you have to treat the body like a system. 1.00

01:40:57.800 You can't just be like, fuck it. 0.99

01:40:59.160 I'm going to like power over it or like run. 1.00

01:41:01.200 You can't like the body runs on certain principles of biology.

01:41:04.580 You can't overrule it.

01:41:06.640 Wow.

01:41:08.460 And it kind of makes sense because even your brain, like your brain's main job is just to

01:41:12.280 keep things organized.

01:41:13.120 Your body just wants to, yeah.

01:41:15.000 A system just wants to run in an organized fashion.

01:41:18.120 Yeah, exactly.

01:41:18.800 Yeah.

01:41:19.280 Like you were saying, like when we first started talking, it's like, you have a plan, you have

01:41:22.700 a routine, like it feels good.

01:41:25.080 You like, mentally it feels good.

01:41:26.520 The body feels good.

01:41:27.620 It's just better to have that.

01:41:28.620 I read somewhere that you spend like, um, a couple million dollars a year to take care

01:41:33.340 of yourself and to learn data.

01:41:35.520 Um, what is it?

01:41:36.480 What does that financially look like for you?

01:41:38.200 Really?

01:41:38.600 Is that the truth?

01:41:39.400 Um, that was true.

01:41:40.320 I think initially.

01:41:41.240 Okay.

01:41:41.580 It's, I think it's a bit less now because we have all these systems built out, but the

01:41:45.320 cost primarily came from hiring the doctors, hiring the scientists.

01:41:49.440 So we had to like comb through all the scientific evidence.

01:41:52.380 Like for example, if you do sauna, how do you do sauna?

01:41:56.760 What temperature?

01:41:57.420 What kind of sauna? 0.99

01:41:59.240 Um, you know, how long do you ice your testicles or not? 0.94

01:42:02.540 Uh, how do you measure your heat shock proteins? 1.00

01:42:04.320 Like the little minions going out and doing the good shit. 0.94

01:42:06.060 Like you have to go to this degree, uh, which is extensive. 0.99

01:42:09.780 And then I bought a bunch of equipment.

01:42:11.680 Like I have a couple, like, I don't know, a million or two of equipment at the house,

01:42:15.160 all the various things, and then just all the money for the experimentation and measurement.

01:42:19.660 But the actual things we've learned are low cost.

01:42:22.680 Like I can take everything I've learned and give it to somebody and they can put it into

01:42:26.500 their life, like at a very, very low cost.

01:42:29.120 So it's been really just about, um, there's, there's actually very few therapies that cost

01:42:33.900 a lot of money that are worth it.

01:42:35.920 Like most things don't work. 1.00

01:42:39.520 Most things are bullshit. 0.99

01:42:40.380 And so that's been the process of like spending the money to figure out what does work and 0.99

01:42:44.100 then how those things work.

01:42:45.540 What about red light therapy?

01:42:46.520 Do you think that's helpful?

01:42:48.020 It's because this is the thing is yes, but you have to make sure that you're getting the

01:42:53.760 right amount of red light therapy for the right duration of time.

01:42:56.780 And so if it's like a face mask of whether it's a panel, and so we do things like, we'll

01:43:02.220 take a panel, we'll measure the irradiance, like how much exposure you're getting at what

01:43:05.980 distance, what duration, if you're looking for like deep healing or longevity.

01:43:09.680 So again, like, I don't want to make this overly complicated, but it matters.

01:43:13.520 And so we try to be very precise.

01:43:14.620 Like if you're doing red light therapy, get this dose.

01:43:17.900 And now you can just go to an AI model and be like, I have this device.

01:43:21.460 It has these specs.

01:43:22.840 If I want a longevity protocol, how long should I have this?

01:43:25.340 And that gives you the data, but you want to be precise because a lot of people think

01:43:28.740 like red light's good.

01:43:29.780 I'll just do it.

01:43:30.260 And it's great.

01:43:30.700 Like it's more nuanced.

01:43:32.180 Because I was talking about a naturopath ophthalmologist.

01:43:34.860 Yeah.

01:43:35.300 And she was saying that some exposure to red light therapy can be helpful.

01:43:39.440 Yeah.

01:43:39.620 I do it every day.

01:43:40.160 I do red light.

01:43:40.720 I have three panels that surround me.

01:43:43.540 It's red and near light.

01:43:45.760 I do it for six minutes a day.

01:43:47.280 Okay.

01:43:47.580 So I do it every day.

01:43:48.320 It's a good therapy.

01:43:49.180 Got it.

01:43:50.300 What about like barometric?

01:43:51.680 You know, those like barometric chambers.

01:43:54.020 You see a lot of those at wellness centers.

01:43:55.860 You know, I'll go to a place where I get NAD every week and I'll do NAD injections every

01:43:59.880 day.

01:44:01.060 Are you, is the barometric thing something you recommend?

01:44:06.960 Yeah.

01:44:07.060 So I have a hyperbaric oxidant therapy chamber.

01:44:09.340 That's what I mean.

01:44:10.020 Hyperbaric.

01:44:10.520 Yeah.

01:44:10.640 So it's, it's, it's potentially, it's, it's right there at the very, very top.

01:44:17.540 So I'd say sauna, hyperbaric oxidant therapy, and like, uh, interestingly, uh, mushrooms,

01:44:23.800 magic mushrooms is up there.

01:44:25.620 But yeah, hyperbaric is, uh, one of the best therapies.

01:44:28.940 Like we all do with our experiments.

01:44:30.200 I did a 250 biomarker measurement and what we saw after 60 sessions, um, yeah, there we

01:44:37.440 go.

01:44:37.560 There's the system.

01:44:39.480 Um, we, we saw changes in my brain, in my microbiome, my skin, my blood inflammation,

01:44:48.760 like telomeres.

01:44:49.960 It just had, um, more whole body effects.

01:44:54.220 If you pull up, do, um, find the one I wrote up or I did on X, Brian Johnson, um, HBOT

01:45:01.420 summary.

01:45:02.120 It's the best skin rejuvenation protocol in the world that rebuilds collagen, elastin

01:45:07.500 fibers.

01:45:07.900 It gets rid of senescent cells, which are zombie cells.

01:45:11.020 How long do you need to be in there for?

01:45:12.280 That's the thing.

01:45:12.900 That's a problem.

01:45:13.900 90 minutes per day, uh, per session.

01:45:16.940 And you need to do 60.

01:45:18.660 Yeah, there we go.

01:45:19.960 That's a good summary.

01:45:20.740 So it does 60 sessions each 90 minutes in 90 days.

01:45:25.700 So it's a gigantic amount of time.

01:45:28.560 Yeah.

01:45:29.020 And you can't have electronics in there.

01:45:30.660 It's too dangerous.

01:45:31.920 So yeah, this is the thing is it's, it's really inaccessible, which is sad because it's so

01:45:36.920 good.

01:45:38.100 300% increase in formation of new blood vessels, telomerate activity of a 12 year old associated

01:45:42.860 with biological age, uh, 250 to 200 and 290% increase in short chain fatty acids.

01:45:49.040 But you'd have to do this and then keep it up for every year.

01:45:51.820 Right?

01:45:52.440 Yeah.

01:45:52.660 So actually, so people don't really know we're experimenting, but right now I'm doing

01:45:56.600 60 sessions per year, uh, in like a big burst.

01:46:00.020 And then I'll do like a 20 session burst once per quarter.

01:46:04.760 And so I'll do this around, for example, like a, a certain treatments like Thursday, I had

01:46:09.000 a bunch of stuff done to my face.

01:46:10.160 So my, can you see how I'm beat up?

01:46:11.780 I've got like stuff all over the place.

01:46:13.880 Yes.

01:46:14.140 Like under, I have like bruised.

01:46:16.720 Yeah.

01:46:17.800 Yeah. 1.00

01:46:18.320 You're a damn lab rat. 1.00

01:46:19.640 Yeah. 1.00

01:46:20.380 You're a damn white mouse. 1.00

01:46:22.160 Yeah. 1.00

01:46:22.380 It's like we, as you age, you, you lose collagen.

01:46:26.900 And so your skin like gets saggy and less plump.

01:46:30.680 And so I did a bunch of injectables to rebuild my collagen.

01:46:33.880 Okay.

01:46:34.620 And so that's why I'm bruised and stuff like that.

01:46:36.540 Um, but then you pair that with a hyperbaric oxygen therapy and like boost the therapy.

01:46:41.040 Got it.

01:46:41.300 So, yeah.

01:46:42.420 So that's the thing.

01:46:43.200 So say if I'm gonna go get an NAD injection or an IV every week and it's going to take

01:46:46.520 two hours anyway while I sit in there, I might as well sit in the hyperbaric while I do it.

01:46:51.060 If there's one there.

01:46:51.860 Or do you think if I only go 50 times in a year, is it even worth it?

01:46:55.240 I mean, you, like, um, there are, you can do like, uh, one session is good for you.

01:47:00.480 Got it.

01:47:00.960 And you can do five also good for you.

01:47:02.920 There's like protocols that on healing, like diabetics will do like 10 to 20 sessions to

01:47:08.600 close open wounds.

01:47:09.780 It's really great for healing.

01:47:11.400 Um, this is just like the longevity protocol.

01:47:13.520 So you can do fewer sessions and still do it, but you want to have it.

01:47:17.120 Um, it's a compounded therapy.

01:47:18.760 So do them in a close proximity, but no more than five per week.

01:47:22.700 Your body needs to have a break.

01:47:24.120 Got it.

01:47:24.640 Yeah.

01:47:25.200 Um, yeah.

01:47:25.840 I saw you do the mushroom therapy and that's one of the things that kind of brought me

01:47:28.760 like, made me think like, okay, this guy, it's not like, you know, this guy's really,

01:47:32.480 he's still out there experimenting and wanting to learn more.

01:47:35.260 Um, what was that therapy like for you and was it, were you surprised by it?

01:47:40.580 And was it psilocybin, I guess the, and the effects?

01:47:43.160 Yeah.

01:47:43.720 That, this is one of the coolest discoveries we've made is, um, psilocybin like sits in

01:47:50.160 the world of psychedelics, but it's never been bridged over to longevity.

01:47:55.420 That's a different way of thinking about psilocybin and talking about it.

01:47:59.140 And so we said, can we do an experiment to see, is our magic mushrooms a longevity therapy?

01:48:05.280 So same thing, we measure 250 biomarkers and the data was insane, uh, surprisingly.

01:48:12.380 So like, um, we found this new thing where there were studies in mice that showed that

01:48:18.740 the blood glucose improved.

01:48:21.540 In me, my blood glucose went from, uh, 98.2 percentile in the population, good to 99.8 percentile,

01:48:31.680 I think, something like that.

01:48:32.280 Like it almost hit like a metabolic reset in the brain, um, resetting your blood glucose

01:48:38.260 regulation, which is gigantic.

01:48:39.320 It, um, took my inflammation levels down to undetectable.

01:48:43.640 It had changes in my microbiome.

01:48:46.560 It, um, so I list them all out here.

01:48:49.280 Yeah.

01:48:49.620 Like it, it legit is a longevity therapy.

01:48:52.640 Um, it reduced inflammation and below detectable, uh, calmed my body and mind, lower cortisol,

01:48:57.300 inhibited HPA access in the days following the dose.

01:49:00.720 Made neuroplasticity in the brain, like takes your brain to a more youthful state.

01:49:04.320 Wow.

01:49:04.500 So you guys did a lot of like treatment while you were under this.

01:49:07.380 And did you then, uh, put this into your protocol after that?

01:49:11.780 Yeah.

01:49:12.700 Yep.

01:49:13.140 So we, it's really early days.

01:49:15.240 Nobody knows the ideal protocol, but right now it's like once every 30 days seems to be

01:49:21.320 about right.

01:49:21.880 And how much, uh, mushrooms you taken?

01:49:23.840 Uh, 25 milligrams of psilocybin.

01:49:27.240 Okay.

01:49:27.560 So then it depends upon the strain.

01:49:29.460 So I did the B positive mushroom strain.

01:49:32.080 So it's like four and a half grams of dried mushroom powder, which then was the 25 milligrams

01:49:38.100 of psilocybin.

01:49:39.300 So that's a real trip kind of.

01:49:40.700 Yeah.

01:49:40.800 It's clinical grade.

01:49:41.380 It's like, it's just below a, uh, ego dissolution.

01:49:46.020 Wow.

01:49:46.440 So you have to be like NSA, you got to chill out somewhere.

01:49:49.200 Yeah.

01:49:49.340 You gotta, yeah.

01:49:50.140 You don't want to beat the club.

01:49:51.400 Right.

01:49:54.000 Um, and what about, uh, but you, but you, but that was so helpful that you now it's part

01:49:58.600 of the protocol.

01:49:59.340 Yeah.

01:49:59.780 Wow.

01:50:00.440 Yeah.

01:50:00.880 Yeah.

01:50:01.060 And we're doing our next, uh, psychedelic live stream in three weeks.

01:50:06.100 We're doing a new psychedelic.

01:50:07.280 Oh yeah.

01:50:07.400 This is cool.

01:50:08.120 So yeah.

01:50:08.620 Kate did it with me.

01:50:09.780 Oh, your girl did it. 1.00

01:50:10.880 And your son did the first one.

01:50:12.380 I know.

01:50:12.740 So he just showed up.

01:50:13.420 So at the end of, uh, when I was coming down, he showed up with my dad.

01:50:17.660 Oh, that's crazy.

01:50:18.440 Oh, we had such a good family bonding moment, you know, cause like you're in that state

01:50:22.220 and I was just giddy and euphoric and I was able to express things to my dad.

01:50:26.680 Yeah.

01:50:27.180 Yeah.

01:50:27.540 Oh man.

01:50:28.100 That's huge.

01:50:28.840 And so then, yeah.

01:50:29.340 So we did this, we see the temperature, um, when you take psilocybin, your body changes

01:50:36.840 in its thermal, uh, regulation.

01:50:39.300 So the extremities get a lot colder.

01:50:41.160 You have a lot of heat going inside.

01:50:42.660 So we did that as a, as a measurement.

01:50:44.820 Um, but yeah, so we're looking at our next psychedelic cause there's like a few things

01:50:49.920 like, um, we did psilocybin, but other contenders are, um, ayahuasca, five MEO.

01:50:57.720 So, um, um, what else did we look at?

01:51:02.860 Yeah.

01:51:03.100 So we're doing one live streaming in three weeks.

01:51:06.540 Wow.

01:51:06.660 That's amazing.

01:51:07.420 Yeah.

01:51:08.000 Ayahuasca has been one that you should, it's I've done it before.

01:51:11.300 It's been amazing.

01:51:12.120 You should come on.

01:51:12.980 So last, the last time we did this, we had people who came on to work.

01:51:16.460 Cause I was, uh, tripping and we had a bunch of people who were commentators who were like,

01:51:21.680 well, it's good.

01:51:22.040 Like almost like fight show stuff.

01:51:23.480 Like, you know, you should come on and be a commentator.

01:51:27.120 Dang, bro.

01:51:27.700 That'd be so wild to commentate somebody who's going through an ayahuasca experience.

01:51:32.960 I'm not opposed to that.

01:51:34.160 Where are you based out of?

01:51:35.400 Uh, we'll, we'll do it.

01:51:36.540 Um, internationally.

01:51:38.060 So, oh, you have to, I guess.

01:51:39.720 Yes.

01:51:39.920 But it would just be online.

01:51:40.880 Yeah.

01:51:41.040 Like we just bring you in.

01:51:42.420 And it's just like, you know, it's like it'd be fun.

01:51:44.820 Actually, it'd be fun to get a few comedians, uh, come in and like, you know, give, give,

01:51:50.140 give their two cents on like what's going on.

01:51:52.340 And are there any psychedelics that you would say are definitively bad for your brain?

01:51:56.680 Hmm.

01:51:59.460 I don't know.

01:52:01.120 I don't know the answer to that.

01:52:02.320 Is there any like therapy that you went and tried and you were like, oh, this is definitely

01:52:05.980 not it.

01:52:06.700 Or like, was there ever a place where you got scared?

01:52:09.100 Like you went to like, um, you know, Romania or someplace, you know, I'm just hypostasizing.

01:52:14.820 But yeah, I mean, like if you pull up that image of my face that blew up, you had it

01:52:17.940 up there before I, yeah.

01:52:21.020 So that's you, that's me.

01:52:23.140 Yeah.

01:52:23.760 So I got really skinny in the early days of this project, really, really skinny.

01:52:29.420 And I lost a bunch of volume in my face.

01:52:31.780 And so when you lose volume in your face, it's very hard to get back volume.

01:52:35.720 So most people just do filler, but I didn't want to do filler.

01:52:38.720 And so we did this Renuva, which is this, uh, fat.

01:52:42.540 So someone else was fat.

01:52:43.960 So I injected it into my face and I had a severe reaction.

01:52:47.320 So that was, so that didn't work.

01:52:49.780 Oh, that's crazy, dude.

01:52:51.880 I, I, I saw this earlier and I was thinking like, who is this lady that they're bringing

01:52:55.900 up?

01:52:57.220 I thought this was like a native American woman. 0.99

01:53:00.620 Yeah.

01:53:01.160 I totally thought this was a native American woman. 1.00

01:53:02.980 Yeah.

01:53:03.100 Like on the, on the far right there, that was me. 0.82

01:53:05.460 Like, um, like 45 minutes after the injection, I was like, oh shit, this is not a good situation. 0.95

01:53:12.100 It took me like six days to calm down. 0.97

01:53:14.760 It was bad.

01:53:15.420 That's pretty scary, dude.

01:53:17.180 Um, spending all this time working on yourself, right?

01:53:20.620 How do you stay out of like ego with it?

01:53:23.200 Because it's such a self, you know, in the end there's a, there is some ego because it's

01:53:27.580 you, you're the, you're your own experiment, you know?

01:53:30.000 Um, and then what are some of the side, like, what does it cost you?

01:53:34.380 Like, what have been some of the things like, have there been relationships you haven't been

01:53:37.380 able to have?

01:53:37.960 Like, has it been tough to like, um, spend time with family?

01:53:41.480 Like, what are some things, what are the side effects of being like, you know, one of the

01:53:45.720 biggest experiments in, in, uh, in history?

01:53:48.740 Yeah.

01:53:49.440 I mean, that's, that's like one of the primary criticisms I get is people say, uh, you know,

01:53:54.220 bro, so busy trying to not die, forgot how to live.

01:53:57.820 And, um, I understand what they're saying.

01:53:59.560 I definitely understand the perspective and I, I view myself as a modern day explorer,

01:54:05.240 you know, like somebody who is out there on the frontier trying to discover something 0.79

01:54:09.900 new and like, man, I fucking love this so much.

01:54:15.140 I love this game so much. 0.90

01:54:17.920 Uh, I'm into it.

01:54:18.840 Like it, when I wake up in the morning, it's the first thing I think about all day long.

01:54:22.440 Like, what is the experiment?

01:54:23.560 What is the data?

01:54:24.260 What is the science?

01:54:25.220 I love it.

01:54:26.180 And so I think people just don't understand that it's a game I'm in love with.

01:54:31.120 And so, you know, if, is there a cost?

01:54:33.300 Yes.

01:54:33.600 Like, are my friends going out and doing things sometimes that I'm doing?

01:54:37.900 Yes.

01:54:38.740 Like, do I feel a loss?

01:54:39.640 No.

01:54:39.880 Like, I'm very happy with the situation.

01:54:41.940 And so like, in some ways, like I'm, I'm a new kind of athlete.

01:54:45.460 I'm a professional rejuvenation athlete.

01:54:48.140 Like LeBron goes to bed on time.

01:54:49.760 He eats well.

01:54:50.380 And we're like, go man.

01:54:51.400 Like you, you play well in the court.

01:54:52.860 People just don't understand I'm a new archetype.

01:54:55.440 They haven't ever seen it before.

01:54:56.900 So there's like, just like a disconnect between that.

01:54:58.700 And it's cool.

01:54:59.400 Like, I love the hate.

01:55:00.720 It's like great energy, right?

01:55:01.900 Like, it's just a lot of discussion.

01:55:03.300 Yeah.

01:55:03.640 And there's just a lot of confusion around it, you know?

01:55:05.480 Yeah.

01:55:05.640 Yeah.

01:55:05.840 I think you just don't know, especially at a time when there's like these tech lords

01:55:09.620 who it seems like they want to like siphon everybody's androchronom or whatever.

01:55:14.860 Have you had anybody hit you up about getting some adrenochrome or whatever?

01:55:18.360 Yeah.

01:55:21.220 Everybody has reached out to me.

01:55:23.620 Like everybody.

01:55:24.840 Top to bottom.

01:55:25.620 You name it.

01:55:26.140 And like, it's just like, what, you know, what gives you a feeling of power?

01:55:34.320 You know, like money, status, or immortality.

01:55:38.980 Like, immortality, right?

01:55:41.040 The other thing.

01:55:41.440 They just don't care.

01:55:43.260 It's like, they just don't pale.

01:55:44.160 Like, this is what I'm saying.

01:55:44.780 Like, this transition's happening. 0.95

01:55:47.980 What good is money if you're dead?

01:55:49.980 What good is status if you're dead?

01:55:51.880 Any world leaders reached out?

01:55:53.720 Yes.

01:55:55.260 Yeah.

01:55:55.760 So it's just like.

01:55:56.200 What world do you think they're from?

01:55:57.900 I mean, they all want it.

01:56:00.920 They all want to be healthy.

01:56:02.420 Any world leader just hits you up straight up, call you right up.

01:56:05.280 Yeah.

01:56:05.840 Yeah.

01:56:06.220 Wow.

01:56:06.560 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:06.920 Yeah, I mean, it's like from everybody.

01:56:09.260 Are you at liberty to say or no?

01:56:10.440 You keep it.

01:56:10.700 I can't, yeah.

01:56:11.220 Yeah.

01:56:11.600 That's okay.

01:56:12.300 Yeah.

01:56:12.860 I had to ask.

01:56:13.720 Yeah.

01:56:14.020 I mean, there was like this moment where Xi Jinping and Putin, they had this hot mic issue

01:56:19.020 a couple, like, months ago where they're both like, yeah, like, you know, it looks

01:56:22.620 like we should be able to live to 150 years old.

01:56:25.140 I remember that.

01:56:25.760 Yeah.

01:56:25.960 So it's like, it's on their minds.

01:56:28.520 It's clearly in the zeitgeist.

01:56:30.080 And if you're in that circle, as I've watched this, like, it's funny in the world of status

01:56:34.760 and power, the new status marker is health.

01:56:40.040 Like, that's what gives people power.

01:56:42.260 And like, now like having a big bank account, sure, it's cool, whatever, but like, it doesn't

01:56:45.960 matter as much.

01:56:47.340 So it really is like this big zeitgeist change on what it means to be powerful in society

01:56:52.500 and have status.

01:56:53.100 So I love seeing it, like the more that happens, the better off.

01:56:57.260 Do you have competitors out there?

01:56:58.800 Are there other yous out there that you start to run across from different realms or different

01:57:02.580 countries or whatever?

01:57:03.580 I mean, like anyone who's trying, I love it.

01:57:05.740 Like, I'm a very much a yes and kind of guy.

01:57:08.080 Like anyone's out there experimenting.

01:57:10.400 Great.

01:57:11.140 You know, like do your thing, be beautiful.

01:57:13.320 So yeah, I really tried to encourage everybody.

01:57:15.880 People will call me and they'll be like, I'm going to beat you at your markers.

01:57:19.240 I'm like, great.

01:57:19.660 I will help you.

01:57:20.720 Like, I will make you better.

01:57:22.280 Like I will, you have to make the same, make the same mistakes I have. 0.99

01:57:25.260 So, um, we're just, when you think about it, we are, the whole situation is so fucked 0.99

01:57:31.780 up. 0.95

01:57:32.080 We're on planet earth in the middle of space.

01:57:35.780 What is even going on?

01:57:37.260 Right.

01:57:37.660 And it's like, this is so crazy.

01:57:39.460 And like the fact that we're conscious is so cool.

01:57:42.500 The fact that we're live is so amazing.

01:57:44.560 Like, why wouldn't we do absolutely everything in our power to keep this game going?

01:57:49.340 Like, I don't want it to stop.

01:57:51.060 Yeah.

01:57:51.200 And so like, to me, it's the coolest game.

01:57:52.580 And so, yeah, it's like celebrate everybody who's trying to embrace life. 0.99

01:57:55.720 And like, honestly, get fucking rid of everybody who's trying to kill us. 0.99

01:58:00.240 Like, stop it. 1.00

01:58:01.560 Stop the fucking killing. 1.00

01:58:03.180 It's so crazy and stupid. 1.00

01:58:05.100 Have you had to separate some relationships because your journey went in this direction 1.00

01:58:07.980 kind of?

01:58:08.440 Yeah.

01:58:08.620 My, my friends are more like me than I ever would have guessed now.

01:58:14.520 Like they go to bed on time, right?

01:58:16.520 They, they see it.

01:58:17.520 Um, so I'd say my friend group, we now do things together.

01:58:22.500 And, uh, so no, I don't miss out much.

01:58:24.100 Like there's, there's some things like, for example, um, Grimes did a, she did a DJ set. 0.91

01:58:30.040 Uh, and she started at one.

01:58:32.800 So I went to bed at 7 PM.

01:58:35.400 I woke up like at 9 30 PM.

01:58:37.680 Um, and then I went out, did her set with her with them, went back to bed.

01:58:41.760 I did it with Aoki as well.

01:58:43.200 So like, I, I've been trying to like be balanced of like be rigid.

01:58:47.340 Also the rest of the world parties at one o'clock in the morning.

01:58:50.180 So, and I still had like a great sleep score.

01:58:52.600 I still got my restorative sleep.

01:58:53.580 So like, I have tried my best to go after this goal of don't die, but also like try to

01:58:58.980 find some compromise and doing things that are currently normal in today's society.

01:59:03.500 Do you feel addicted to wanting to, to, to not die?

01:59:07.500 I mean, probably right.

01:59:09.060 Like the same way, like, uh, are, are people addicted to making money?

01:59:14.260 Yeah.

01:59:14.960 You know, are people addicted to social media?

01:59:16.160 Yeah.

01:59:16.300 Like, like the human conditions kind of addiction.

01:59:19.160 And so like, am I, yeah, I'm, I'm lost in this.

01:59:22.620 I, I don't think I've ever felt as satisfied and fulfilled as I do now.

01:59:26.680 Wow.

01:59:27.220 I've got a fantastic family.

01:59:29.200 I have a fantastic partner.

01:59:30.620 I love the game I'm playing.

01:59:32.720 Um, I just, you know, like I, I went through like 10 years of chronic depression, like legit

01:59:38.340 wanted to kill myself and I would have done it had it not been for my kids.

01:59:41.560 It's like, I know what shitty feels like. 0.97

01:59:43.460 Like when you're just like, you're so buried deep and it's like, I don't know how many

01:59:47.260 days out of this.

01:59:47.880 Like, it's just bad.

01:59:49.720 What started the cause of that?

01:59:50.700 Do you think?

01:59:51.580 Uh, I, well, a couple of things.

01:59:53.020 One, I just had my first baby and he was colicky.

01:59:55.820 And so we weren't sleeping.

01:59:57.000 It was like six months of total sleep deprivation.

01:59:59.740 I was building a startup.

02:00:01.020 So I had no money.

02:00:02.520 I was stressed out of my mind.

02:00:04.040 My partner wasn't working.

02:00:05.380 So I was a sole provider.

02:00:06.480 And so it's just like no sleep and startup and no money.

02:00:11.260 And like, I think it just got me.

02:00:12.860 And then once it got me, uh, like it's very hard to wrestle your way out of it when my

02:00:17.900 circumstances didn't change.

02:00:19.080 I still had no money.

02:00:19.860 I still had to make my, my startup work.

02:00:22.180 And so then I just got deeper and deeper and then like, it just kind of cascaded into 1.00

02:00:26.600 like really bad shit. 0.99

02:00:27.420 So, um, I'm, I'm so grateful I didn't commit suicide. 0.99

02:00:30.280 You know, so how much does the, uh, you take care of yourself so much physically.

02:00:35.840 You have so much information about that.

02:00:37.440 How much, uh, how much are you able to, um, attach your mental to that as well?

02:00:43.060 Or what do you notice about the physical mental relationship?

02:00:45.800 Yeah.

02:00:46.440 That if when people, so right now, if somebody is suffering from anxiety or depression or

02:00:52.880 something else, the first move mostly is to take a pill, right?

02:00:57.180 Like get on some kind of.

02:00:58.880 Yeah.

02:00:59.860 And so the first move is really to fix your sleep.

02:01:05.420 And the way to fix your sleep is to lower your heart rate, lower the heart rate.

02:01:08.760 You have your last meal of the day, like, like do all these different steps.

02:01:12.000 Now that's not going to fix everybody's issues, but having good sleep in place is the most

02:01:18.240 powerful thing anybody can do in their life on any condition.

02:01:21.300 And then once you have that in place, like if you need to look at other options, cool.

02:01:25.100 But most of the time people don't look at the very basic things.

02:01:29.320 Like, are you going to bed on time?

02:01:30.760 Like when are you eating that last meal?

02:01:32.320 What's your heart rate?

02:01:33.220 So I have found that when my body is operating well, my mind operates well.

02:01:40.080 It's a very symbiotic relationship that you literally are what you consume, you know,

02:01:45.640 social media, food, all the above.

02:01:47.360 And so I don't talk about mental health as directly.

02:01:50.560 I talk about get the basics right and you see the boost in your mental health.

02:01:55.540 Like if I talk to entrepreneurs, I'll say in the room, like over half of you are in a

02:02:02.120 current mental health crisis and the room always goes dead quiet.

02:02:07.940 They know I'm right.

02:02:09.160 I see it in their eyes, right?

02:02:10.580 Like they had a happy face on, they're like smiling, like, yeah, I've got this going on,

02:02:15.200 but inside they're dying and you know, you can feel it.

02:02:19.040 And so when I say that and I puncture it and it's like, that's true.

02:02:22.180 Like you guys, like, it's not good to build a company when you're suicidal, right?

02:02:29.680 Right.

02:02:29.880 Like no one's winning here. 0.99

02:02:31.020 So like get your shit together. 0.99

02:02:33.060 You can build a great company. 0.99

02:02:34.320 You can be ambitious.

02:02:35.060 You can be epic, like sleep.

02:02:37.120 And like, so that's really, I mean, I wish somebody would have been in my life to tell

02:02:40.780 me that like, Hey man, I see you're ambitious.

02:02:42.260 Like you have big plans for life, but like, let me just kind of help you.

02:02:44.880 Get some basics, right?

02:02:45.920 Yeah.

02:02:46.260 Having somebody mitigate, having somebody help you set some parameters.

02:02:48.860 It's just so hard.

02:02:49.680 And it's hard to believe.

02:02:50.480 It's like, you know, I remember grinding so hard for a few years and I had like a mental

02:02:54.200 breakdown kind of like, this is about four or five years ago.

02:02:56.540 I almost literally felt something snap in my brain.

02:02:58.960 Yeah, me too.

02:02:59.580 You remember the day, that moment?

02:03:01.060 Uh, yeah, I remember.

02:03:02.700 Um, yeah, I do remember.

02:03:05.140 I had some shows that were in, they were up in California.

02:03:08.920 They were in, yeah.

02:03:09.660 And I literally had to cancel them the day of.

02:03:11.700 Yeah.

02:03:12.200 Never.

02:03:12.460 I do that in my life.

02:03:13.200 I said, if I have to walk out there, I, I, I physically cannot do it anymore.

02:03:19.620 And the whole time before that, I thought that I just wasn't trying hard enough.

02:03:23.480 Yeah.

02:03:23.780 A hundred percent.

02:03:24.340 You know, I, I, I would mirror your experience.

02:03:27.000 I had the same thing.

02:03:27.660 Yeah.

02:03:28.500 What'd you do?

02:03:29.140 Do you have to go to therapy or something?

02:03:30.500 No, I was in the parking lot in Orem, Utah with my brother in a red Saturn.

02:03:35.440 And I said, he was my business partner at the time.

02:03:38.380 And I said, Jason, um, I was talking to him about like, I'm feeling depressed.

02:03:43.620 I just like, can't quite do things.

02:03:45.740 And in that conversation, something like snapped, like I almost like physically heard a snap.

02:03:52.080 And I'm like, something just broke in my brain.

02:03:56.320 And my brother was like, just try harder.

02:03:59.040 Right.

02:03:59.180 Like, like, like he wasn't, uh, I don't think he understood the, if you haven't been depressed, you don't know.

02:04:03.700 But like, I will never, ever forget that moment.

02:04:06.160 It was like five 30 in the evening.

02:04:08.060 It was just sun setting.

02:04:09.740 Um, and that was a, put me on a 10 year long hole.

02:04:13.680 And so like, you know, I'm so empathetic to people.

02:04:17.800 Like, I think it's, it is so much more common than, than we talk, than like people talk about.

02:04:23.540 I do think that, like you said earlier, that when you said a lot, like you were in a, in that meeting and you said a lot of people here are, uh, are struggling or barely holding on.

02:04:32.120 I do think that that, that kind of thing is the truth that like, we're all just in this space where we're pretty close to exactly.

02:04:40.660 We're just holding on.

02:04:42.020 Yeah.

02:04:42.420 That's a much better way of saying it, but like, but then we're so used to surviving at that space too.

02:04:46.940 You start to think that that's supposed to be the norm and it's not.

02:04:49.560 Exactly right.

02:04:50.220 Yeah.

02:04:50.860 Yeah.

02:04:51.020 It's very real. 0.97

02:04:51.660 And like, it hurts and it sucks. 0.74

02:04:53.860 It's, there's no safe place to go.

02:04:55.380 Like, who do you tell us about?

02:04:57.120 Is it safe?

02:04:57.840 Is it not?

02:04:58.260 Will you be penalized?

02:04:59.220 Yeah.

02:04:59.480 So it's, it's a tough, it's a, and then like the world is so brutal on you.

02:05:02.180 You can't trust anyone.

02:05:03.260 Everyone's after you.

02:05:04.360 Tough space.

02:05:05.400 Yeah.

02:05:06.000 And the truth is probably just say, what is going on?

02:05:09.600 Yeah.

02:05:09.840 You know, but it's so hard.

02:05:11.780 Um, well, last question with AI, you know, AI and things are happening.

02:05:16.600 So fast and differently now.

02:05:17.760 Do you think that that will have a large effect on, um, on, on don't die on how we can live

02:05:26.360 on the possibility to live forever or to have a longer life expectancy?

02:05:32.200 And do you use AI with your own data to help, um, create any, uh, sort of real information?

02:05:38.300 Yeah.

02:05:39.160 This, well, what a lot of people don't know is this entire project I'm doing is about

02:05:45.960 AI.

02:05:46.940 It's not about health.

02:05:48.940 And so.

02:05:49.780 Like, what do you mean?

02:05:50.620 Yeah.

02:05:50.900 So I did this, um, when I was 21 years old, I had this ambition that I wanted to do something

02:05:58.600 that would be useful to the human race.

02:06:00.180 Like that was my, I don't know why, but I just like, I really cared about being useful to

02:06:03.700 humanity.

02:06:04.140 I didn't know what to do.

02:06:05.700 I wasn't good at anything. 0.77

02:06:07.000 I was kind of shitty at most everything. 0.52

02:06:09.060 And so I said, okay, I'm going to become an entrepreneur. 0.87

02:06:10.980 I'm going to make a whole bunch of money.

02:06:12.000 Then by age 30 with money, I'm going to do something epic in the world.

02:06:15.200 And so I did that.

02:06:16.480 I, by 34 years old, I, I sold my company for $800 million, but at 34, I was burnt to

02:06:22.380 a crisp.

02:06:23.280 I just smoked.

02:06:25.740 And so I needed to recover.

02:06:28.160 And so, but then I had basically this quite open question, like now I have money, what

02:06:32.360 do you do?

02:06:32.940 And so when you have basically unlimited optionality in the world.

02:06:36.060 So I spent 10 years trying to figure that out.

02:06:38.860 And I did one thought experiment, which really helped, uh, bring clarity is, um, I imagined

02:06:45.280 trans, I imagine, imagine traveling in time to the year 2,500.

02:06:49.620 So a few hundred years into the future.

02:06:51.760 And there you are sitting among those that exist, like are they human or the AI?

02:06:56.260 We don't know, but they, there they are talking and they're reflecting on the early 21st century,

02:07:01.260 our time.

02:07:02.180 And they're saying, we appreciate homo sapiens that lived in the early 21st century because

02:07:07.840 they did blank that allowed intelligence to still exist in the universe.

02:07:11.960 What'd they do?

02:07:12.620 Like they didn't destroy themselves.

02:07:14.260 And I thought about that question for years.

02:07:17.360 I think they say two things.

02:07:18.660 One is they say, that's when homo sapiens gave birth to super intelligence.

02:07:24.880 The second thing they say is they say, the second thing that they'd figured out is that

02:07:30.500 they wouldn't die, that they transformed society from a culture of die of like, I will, um, pillage 1.00

02:07:40.280 you for my profit, right?

02:07:41.620 Or I will yolo my way to death to exchange for this to existence itself is the highest value.

02:07:48.020 There's nothing more valuable than existence and we will do anything to fight for our existence.

02:07:53.900 And so the principles we talked about today of like care, like our society, uh, would be better off if we really cared for each other.

02:08:03.080 If you really could trust each other, like genuinely trust.

02:08:06.220 And so what I'm trying to do technically is when you, uh, it's like pretty technical, um, entropy is the final boss of the universe.

02:08:17.280 So entropy is the disorder of things.

02:08:19.400 The second law of thermodynamics.

02:08:20.980 So eventually like a warm cup of coffee goes cold, suns burn out, bodies die.

02:08:27.160 Like things just naturally decay.

02:08:29.540 And so the number one enemy of the universe is decay and disorder and life is a rebellion against disorder.

02:08:37.800 Like we somehow survive.

02:08:39.320 And so what I'm trying to build, like my whole goal is to say as a species, our number one goal is to build a new antientropic system, like a new life system that makes fighting for life.

02:08:54.260 The number one goal for all things.

02:08:56.540 And you can measure entropy or death in all things.

02:09:00.240 You can measure it in a physical system.

02:09:02.040 You can measure it in a biological system, but you can basically build it computationally.

02:09:06.340 So that's like a whole bunch of stuff, but the goal is you can measure death.

02:09:11.440 You can build protections against death.

02:09:13.800 You can do it in the body.

02:09:15.400 You can do it in physical systems.

02:09:17.760 You can align yourself with AI.

02:09:19.040 It's like, it's a new ideology that I want it to become the fastest growing ideology in human history, that it helps you understand existence and it's competitive with any major ideology.

02:09:32.960 So there's like, I need like honest, like 60 minutes to explain it.

02:09:37.000 Cause I know it's like, I just jammed it up, but it's basically a new way to exist that like reframes our reality.

02:09:43.600 Well, I do understand what you're saying in the sense that a lot of history, people have lived as if we die.

02:09:50.940 Yeah.

02:09:51.260 Right.

02:09:51.700 Yeah.

02:09:51.860 Okay.

02:09:52.080 One day we die.

02:09:52.880 There's an afterlife.

02:09:53.860 You can live forever somewhere else.

02:09:55.540 You can live extensively somewhere else, but then to have this concept and to really live as if don't die.

02:10:03.980 Yes.

02:10:04.720 Then now how do you live?

02:10:06.040 Yes.

02:10:06.480 Right.

02:10:06.700 And that's a whole reframing of things.

02:10:09.160 Exactly right.

02:10:09.560 Right.

02:10:09.900 But I do understand that, that once you reframe it, it's like, oh, wow.

02:10:15.520 Well, a lot more of, yeah.

02:10:17.680 If the afterlife or a lot of it can be here.

02:10:21.340 Yes, exactly.

02:10:22.520 Then what rules change for me?

02:10:26.040 What rules change in the world?

02:10:28.080 And how does it affect how I play the game?

02:10:31.040 Exactly right.

02:10:31.980 And like, the thing cool is don't die is that you can be Christian and don't die. 0.95

02:10:36.680 You can be Muslim and don't die. 0.98

02:10:38.380 You can be capitalist and don't die. 0.98

02:10:39.540 You can be anything and don't die because don't die just says nobody wants to die right now.

02:10:45.700 It says nothing about five years from now or 20 years from now.

02:10:48.920 The single thing that every human agrees to in this moment, one thing, nobody wants to die right now.

02:10:56.020 That's it.

02:10:56.820 After that, there's no agreement on anything.

02:10:58.760 And so if you build artificial superintelligence, you're like, what do you do with it?

02:11:02.940 It's like, help me make more money.

02:11:04.660 Help me become better at war.

02:11:06.220 Like, help me acquire more power.

02:11:07.620 Like, what I'm saying is the obvious answer we say to AI, we want to exist.

02:11:14.380 Right.

02:11:14.620 That's our goal.

02:11:15.680 We don't want to destroy ourselves.

02:11:17.500 We don't want to die individually.

02:11:18.580 This is not saying we own immortality.

02:11:20.280 It's saying we don't want to die right now.

02:11:21.880 So you're trying to basically just get a peace accord with all humans and all AI and say, can we just strike a deal where we have the right to exist?

02:11:33.480 It's like the United States said, like, you know, life living in the pursuit of happiness.

02:11:38.160 The new constitution for our new species is the right to exist.

02:11:43.920 And that's what this whole thing is about.

02:11:45.820 It's just like the very basic primal desire.

02:11:49.100 I want to take one more breath.

02:11:52.280 Because we've almost grandfathered ourselves into this that we don't, that we can't.

02:11:56.980 Yeah, that's right.

02:11:58.040 Exactly.

02:11:58.760 It's like, if you don't state that as the objective, then you point it at profit.

02:12:03.620 And if you point it at profit, you inevitably like have the temptation of saying, I'm going to take your life for my profit.

02:12:10.780 I'm going to give you food that poisons you, but makes me money.

02:12:13.160 It feels like where we're at now.

02:12:14.340 Yeah, it feels like we're definitely part of a, you go, all right, I'll give you this.

02:12:17.880 Then you go here.

02:12:18.420 Then you spin there.

02:12:19.260 And then you go to this.

02:12:20.260 But Brian Johnson, thanks so much, man.

02:12:24.380 Love it, man.

02:12:24.820 It's great, bro.

02:12:25.460 It's so much fun.

02:12:26.420 Yeah, this is it.

02:12:27.080 Super interesting, man.

02:12:28.740 Can you imagine now a stand-up act that would just rip me?

02:12:33.460 Yeah, well, I think, I mean, I think I could think of a couple of things.

02:12:36.500 I could think, one, you being on a great roast over there.

02:12:38.660 And that's one thing they do at Kill Tony.

02:12:40.240 They roast, everybody roasts everybody.

02:12:41.680 So it's like this thing, you're just part of the universe, you know?

02:12:45.220 And then I could think of a, yeah, of a great, if like, if there was like a dope roast and

02:12:51.700 you're one of the people on it, people would have the best jokes.

02:12:54.400 I bet it just adds a lot of fun.

02:12:55.920 So I appreciate you having a sense of humor about it.

02:12:58.280 What are the, what is a cheat day?

02:13:00.080 Like, do you ever just want to unwind?

02:13:01.540 I did see you had a photo of like the fourth, like a fourth meal or something that you had

02:13:05.620 that was up on the social media the other day.

02:13:08.940 There you are, just geeked out right there.

02:13:11.680 Yeah, I'm trolling.

02:13:12.860 Oh, you're just trolling there.

02:13:13.660 Yeah.

02:13:14.000 Okay, got it.

02:13:14.640 Yes, there's some Taco Bell.

02:13:15.740 There's some different stuff.

02:13:16.780 I said, decided to live a little because like, you know, like it's funny because people are

02:13:21.360 always like, bro, live a little. 0.93

02:13:23.280 But then what they're saying is, I want you to die to show me you're alive. 0.98

02:13:27.920 And so like, right. 0.98

02:13:28.820 It's just like, it's fun.

02:13:30.200 It is kind of true.

02:13:31.080 Live a little in some ways.

02:13:33.560 If we look at it, especially diet, dietitian, dietetically or whatever, we're saying, yeah,

02:13:39.280 man, die, you know?

02:13:40.700 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:41.420 Take the, take the, you know, die some. 0.97

02:13:43.380 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:43.640 They want me to die.

02:13:44.400 So I just, I like all things.

02:13:46.060 I really enjoy playing.

02:13:46.960 People have a lot of fun with me as well.

02:13:48.800 Yeah.

02:13:49.100 But yeah, like, you know, the funny thing is the cheat day thing, man.

02:13:52.820 I'm like, I don't want to do it.

02:13:54.300 Wow.

02:13:54.620 If you got to the point where you don't want to do it, that's huge.

02:13:56.640 Was it always like that or no?

02:13:58.020 Just got there like past couple of years.

02:13:59.580 It took me like a hundred reps.

02:14:00.860 Like you do it.

02:14:01.520 You're like, I'm going to do it and be fun.

02:14:04.480 And then it happens. 0.99

02:14:05.260 You're like, God damn it. 0.99

02:14:06.640 It's so worse. 0.99

02:14:07.660 It's never worth it.

02:14:08.820 So I learned the lesson.

02:14:10.520 It's never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever worth it.

02:14:13.760 It just doesn't.

02:14:14.520 Like, I don't know of a situation where I did something and I'm like, yeah, you know what?

02:14:17.840 Now, like when I did, when I stayed, when I went to bed early, went to the rave in the

02:14:22.540 other night, I got to dance.

02:14:24.380 Worth it.

02:14:25.700 But like, you know, fast food meal, like, so my team right now is where they're, they're

02:14:31.340 trying to convince me to get drunk on a live stream as an experiment.

02:14:35.080 So like, what does alcohol do to the body?

02:14:37.820 So we do the same thing.

02:14:38.640 We'd measure all the markers.

02:14:40.140 We'd look at my impairment.

02:14:41.320 So like, if I were, I would do an experiment like that, but otherwise like just to have

02:14:45.000 fun.

02:14:45.280 Like, no, man, it's, it's miserable. 0.63

02:14:47.580 I hate it. 0.75

02:14:48.320 So has this challenged your faith?

02:14:49.960 Has any of the, uh, has it challenged which you, where, where your faith lies?

02:14:54.040 I mean, cause you grew up in a Mormon community.

02:14:55.880 Is that right?

02:14:56.360 Yeah.

02:14:56.660 And has it challenged, um, which I think is a great community, by the way.

02:15:00.900 Yeah.

02:15:01.160 Um, has any of your practices, uh, challenged any of your beliefs or your relationship with

02:15:06.900 that community?

02:15:07.580 Yeah.

02:15:07.700 I mean, I, I joke with my, uh, my Mormon friends.

02:15:10.180 I'm a better Mormon than they are. 1.00

02:15:11.980 I'm the, I'm like the best Mormon, you know?

02:15:13.800 Like, uh, you know, cause, um, like sugar is the currency in a Mormon. 0.97

02:15:19.280 It's like, you can't do, there's not premarital sex. 0.98

02:15:21.440 You can't do porn.

02:15:22.340 Like there's a whole bunch of dude, you can't drink coffee.

02:15:24.300 Yeah.

02:15:24.580 Right.

02:15:24.800 So when you have like a whole bunch of nose, like it's gotta go somewhere.

02:15:28.960 Yeah.

02:15:29.440 So sugar is like the escape route.

02:15:31.560 And so, um.

02:15:32.760 That's nice.

02:15:33.280 Yeah, exactly.

02:15:33.880 So I, I didn't mess around with them, but like, the thing is like the, the, for me,

02:15:37.680 the hole in the world is that we're in this wacky situation where we're conscious in,

02:15:44.480 in, in the universe. 0.99

02:15:46.240 Like what the fuck is going on? 0.99

02:15:48.460 So bizarre. 1.00

02:15:48.800 It's so bizarre.

02:15:49.540 We don't even talk about it every day.

02:15:50.740 It's so bizarre.

02:15:51.620 And so then like, given the bizarreness, there's all these ways of people being like, let me

02:15:57.320 explain the situation.

02:15:58.100 Right.

02:15:58.520 And like, but like, I don't know.

02:16:00.600 I'm quite more of the opinion of like, how do we know?

02:16:03.520 Right.

02:16:03.920 What, what, what are we talking about?

02:16:05.140 And so like, but then if you say like, who says they don't know, it's a very, very,

02:16:10.260 very small number of people who say they're like atheists and they don't know, but that's

02:16:13.300 kind of like a, a defeatist mentality.

02:16:14.920 It's like, we don't know, but like, whatever.

02:16:16.800 So like, what's missing in the world is an ideology that's like, we don't really know.

02:16:22.300 And we have gusto.

02:16:24.160 Like what, cause when you're in a religion, um, like you've got gusto to serve God and to

02:16:29.600 like, you know, obey the commandments and like, but like, where does an ideology that

02:16:33.120 couples up, I don't know, and has gusto.

02:16:35.140 And that's, what's missing in the world.

02:16:36.320 That's what I, what I found is like, you, you can intellectually be like legit.

02:16:39.960 It's pretty hard to know what's going on.

02:16:41.560 Also, like we can stand up.

02:16:43.780 We can, like, we have power right now.

02:16:47.100 Like it wasn't before AI, you're doomed.

02:16:49.660 Like no matter what you said, you're off to death.

02:16:52.520 With AI, this is the first time ever where a human can be like, you know what?

02:16:57.040 I got a strut.

02:16:58.620 Like I'm going to put my chest out and like, I feel, I feel confident I can do something.

02:17:02.680 And so like, we're at this brand new thing.

02:17:04.540 And that's what I'm saying.

02:17:05.040 Like this moment is so insane.

02:17:06.700 What makes you think about that?

02:17:07.400 Just because the, the, the ability that the average person can have now?

02:17:10.320 Yeah, like, I mean, you look at AI, um, I mean, like you basically are giving birth to God, right?

02:17:21.820 Like we, when we talk about God, we say like God's omnipotent, right?

02:17:26.000 Omnipotent.

02:17:26.820 God is blank, blank, blank.

02:17:27.860 Like we basically assign these powers of like anything.

02:17:30.620 And on some kind of timescale, AI is kind of that.

02:17:35.660 Like when it's that and how it's that, like TBD, but it's like generally that.

02:17:41.200 And so when you actually have like the potential of building like billions of gods or God-like

02:17:47.940 powers of like we've imagined, like, why wouldn't you immediately level up your, your ambition

02:17:53.600 by like a thousand X?

02:17:55.060 Right, because you're taking some of the more practical possibilities of God and making

02:18:01.560 them more usable to the everyday person.

02:18:04.400 You're still not able to replicate like a relationship that is like spiritual in nature

02:18:09.800 though, do you think?

02:18:10.660 Why not?

02:18:11.520 I mean, it's just a biochemical reaction, right?

02:18:13.840 I don't know.

02:18:14.300 You think somebody just messaging with like a fictional thing is going to make them feel

02:18:17.820 the same way as if they feel like there's some connection to a, to an actual like molecular

02:18:22.280 existing force in the world?

02:18:25.900 I do.

02:18:26.240 I think that basically, um, you think it's the same.

02:18:29.280 Basically when, so you are 70 trillion sales, when Theo von experiences love or, um, God or

02:18:38.060 like take whatever you think, that is a biochemical pattern.

02:18:42.060 Got it.

02:18:43.260 And you can produce it with prayer, with psychedelics, with meditation, with sex, right?

02:18:50.220 Like there's so many ways to replicate these experiences.

02:18:52.500 So like if AI is able to develop drugs and or experiences and, or if we have implants

02:18:58.300 and, or like you can, you can basically just map it back.

02:19:01.440 It's, it's very hard to identify an emergent experience we have right now and not be able

02:19:07.840 to pull back the curtain and say, here's what happened biochemically.

02:19:11.080 Now, like I'm open to other ways to explain the world that you can't find a biochemical

02:19:17.520 signature for totally open to that.

02:19:19.280 But like in my experience, everything I am, I can just see the data.

02:19:23.160 Like it is a very clear reveal.

02:19:25.600 And so it, yeah, will humans be able to experience transcendence and, you know, unconditional love

02:19:31.640 and, uh, extreme fulfillment of purpose and like locked in engagement?

02:19:37.180 Yes.

02:19:37.800 Like all those things.

02:19:38.860 And so I actually, I'm, I'm very friendly towards religions.

02:19:42.740 Like no matter who you are, no matter what you believe in, great, right?

02:19:46.620 Like don't die is something we can all agree to.

02:19:49.440 And so like I, if someone says they believe in an afterlife, super, like you can still have

02:19:53.940 your afterlife.

02:19:54.780 This is not taking away your afterlife.

02:19:56.560 This is just saying like right now we want to cooperate because we love the game of life.

02:20:00.480 If that means you want to procrastinate your afterlife for another a hundred years, it's still

02:20:04.640 going to be there for you.

02:20:05.340 Like it's not, it's not going away.

02:20:06.360 Right.

02:20:06.960 So it's really about trying to strike.

02:20:08.760 So it's the same thing about food.

02:20:10.080 Like I'm not a carnivore or vegan or paleo or whatever.

02:20:13.640 I'm not anti-religion.

02:20:14.980 I'm not for the, like, I'm just like, we're all good.

02:20:17.220 Like everyone, we're all good.

02:20:19.720 We can be together.

02:20:20.800 We can like play the game together.

02:20:22.600 We don't need to fight each other.

02:20:23.880 No one needs to be right or wrong.

02:20:25.180 We just want to agree that existence is awesome.

02:20:27.240 Yeah.

02:20:27.680 So that's like, we're just trying to call peace of all intelligence.

02:20:30.120 Let's not fight.

02:20:30.760 No more killing.

02:20:31.740 Yeah.

02:20:32.080 That should be cool.

02:20:32.900 Amen, man.

02:20:33.660 Because I wonder sometimes if like when, when, when kids interact with AI and stuff like

02:20:37.000 that, dude, they feel like it's like the same as if I, I feel if I'm interacting with a

02:20:41.340 real person, you know?

02:20:42.640 Because yeah, I just don't know if you could ever get that, you know, that kind of hug

02:20:46.120 feeling of like, of your God, whoever your God is or something.

02:20:50.060 I wonder if you could ever get that hug feeling if like something that was, yeah, like man-made

02:20:56.980 or synthetic kind of hypothetically synthetic with whatever be the same.

02:21:00.620 But I mean, I think it's all interesting conversation and, um, and look, man, you're out there on the

02:21:06.120 front lines.

02:21:06.980 You're, you're like the only one in your, in this war.

02:21:09.400 Like you're like your own Vietnam dude out there, you know?

02:21:14.200 So it's really cool.

02:21:15.420 And I really appreciate your time, man.

02:21:17.580 Um, tell Tal, Tal, Tal, Tal, Tal Tal, we said, what's up?

02:21:21.580 Oh, that's cool.

02:21:22.100 And, um, yeah.

02:21:24.400 And Brian Johnson, thanks so much, dude.

02:21:26.360 I'm going to grab some of that olive oil.

02:21:27.860 I do want to get some of it.

02:21:29.040 And, uh, I'll say, I'll send you some.

02:21:31.280 Well, I'll, I'll support, man, but thank you.

02:21:33.260 But thank you even for coming, dude.

02:21:34.600 And just sharing a lot of this with us.

02:21:36.080 I think it's not just, uh, it's not just about, um, milligrams and this, but it's kind

02:21:42.040 of like a life idea and it's a change of perspective.

02:21:44.620 Yeah.

02:21:45.340 You know?

02:21:45.800 Yeah.

02:21:46.540 So I understand it.

02:21:47.260 Yeah.

02:21:47.420 I loved hanging out, man.

02:21:48.120 It was really fun.

02:21:49.180 Me too, bro.

02:21:49.820 I know you said we saw each other at the UFC.

02:21:51.580 I remember now seeing your face for a second.

02:21:53.940 Yeah.

02:21:54.520 And, uh, but I'm glad to see it again, dude.

02:21:56.460 We'll have to get to one soon.

02:21:57.500 Yeah.

02:21:57.720 Cool.

02:21:58.100 All right.

02:21:58.400 Thank you, brother.

02:21:58.820 All right, man.

02:22:06.080 We'll see you next time.

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - March 05, 2026

#644 - Bryan Johnson

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